Ep 998 ｜ Methodists Change Their Pronouns to Was⧸Were
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The United Methodist Church has now fully officially embraced LGBTQ ideology. We ve got the breakdown and analysis and biblical response to that on today s episode of Relatable, as well as a little ranking and rating of some Met Gala outfits from last night.
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The United Methodist Church has now fully officially embraced LGBTQ ideology.
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We've got the breakdown and analysis and biblical response to that on today's episode of Relatable,
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as well as a little ranking and rating of some Met Gala outfits from last night.
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Hey, guys. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.
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Wow. Y'all have given me a big response and reaction to yesterday's episode. The vast majority of you,
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Catholic and Protestant, we're super excited about it. Your comments were really respectful,
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and I appreciate that so much. Of course, you're going to have people who are just angry that I did
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not agree with Trent. Maybe some people, although I don't know if I saw this, but angry that Trent
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didn't agree with me. But it really was a good faith discussion. I really like Trent Horn and
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appreciate him so much. Obviously, extremely thoughtful and articulate. And I loved having
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that conversation with him. And I hope to have more. And I hope that it was edifying for all of you.
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I hope that you learned more about what I believe as a Reformed Protestant and what he believes as a
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now. I'll do that on Thursday. But we're doing a few things to celebrate and just to thank you guys
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Yeah. But it'd be great if they could stick to like 30 seconds.
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30 seconds. Okay. We should have said that probably on the Instagram posts because I got
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sweet as possible. It would be better for you to leave multiple short voicemails than one long
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voicemail. So here's what we want to hear from you. Has your mind been changed on any topic from
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listening to the show, either something that I've said or something one of my guests said? What has
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been your favorite episode, guest, or segment? How long have you been listening? What does the show
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mean to you? Um, give us your best. Would you rather that doesn't have anything to do with the
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show? I just like hearing it. Literally my husband and I played, would you rather last night? I get
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wheezing, laughing, can't catch my breath crying as I'm imagining the scenario that I'm coming up with
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in my head. So that's really just for my enjoyment. The other questions really aren't as much for me,
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although of course it's going to offer us encouragement, uh, in the relatable crew,
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but it's also for all the listeners and viewers out there to hear from people who share the same
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concerns, who have the same values as you do, who are raising a respectful ruckus, uh, for their
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children, for their communities, for the next generation, who are sharing the arrows, who have
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all the same fears, but hopes and dreams in a lot of ways as you do. And just remember that you're not
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alone. There are tens and tens of thousands and thousands of people just in this community, not to
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mention all of the other people out there who don't listen to relatable, who are a part of the same
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battle and on the same front line. So, um, it's also meant to be just encouraging to you as you
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remember the community that we have among our related bros and related bells. I'm still changing
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it. I haven't decided related bells or related gals. Also just to tease this out, I've got one
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really big announcement headed your way. I think by next week, I can't say the exact date yet because I
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don't know. It's going to be a really big announcement, something that we have never done before.
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It's not like anything that I've ever presented to you before. And I'm so excited about it.
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And I will talk about it here first before I even talk about it on social media, just for you guys.
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I am so pumped. Biggest announcement that I have ever done. And some of you guys have given me some
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guesses as to what that is. Some of them very funny, like a relatable cruise. That's a great idea.
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That's a great, I cannot confirm nor deny. I'm just saying it's a great idea. One of you said that
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I'm going to cut my own bangs on YouTube live, which I love not going to happen. I'll just go
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ahead and let you know a spoiler. It's not that it's much bigger and better. So we've got lots of
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fun stuff coming up. Remember that voicemail number 682-503-1369 answer some of the questions that I gave
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you. All right. Now we've got to talk about all this craziness that is going on in the United
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Methodist Church. The United Methodist Church is not united. It's actually the Divided Methodist Church.
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And we're going to talk exactly about what is going on there and what it means.
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All right. We briefly alluded to what's happening in the UMC, the United Methodist Church denomination
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yesterday when I was talking to Trent Horn, but we just didn't have time to get into all of it. And so
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I want to let you know what is going on. Now you might remember several years ago, there was a split
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in the United Methodist Church and it was over this issue, the LGBTQ issue, the issue of whether the
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church should be so-called gay affirming, but really it also had to do with gay clergy. And I'm
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talking openly gay, affirming homosexuality, homosexual relationships as what they would call
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holy, normal, fine, on the same plane as a heterosexual, actual marriage. So this has been
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a long time in the making. This controversy has been for several years, even before a few years ago
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when they split over this issue. I actually remember that was one of the first times that we really
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delved into the gay marriage quote unquote issue and really looked at what the Bible says about this.
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Not the first time, but I think one of the first episodes where we really talked about this in
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depth from a biblical perspective. And interestingly, the episode, this is the only time this has ever
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happened. The episode wouldn't upload to Spotify or actually it went up on Spotify and then it was
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taken down. It's interesting. That's actually on my Wikipedia page that I didn't even, I don't remember
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thinking it was that big of a deal or that scandalous at the time. It was just like big tech doing its
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thing, but I guess it was enough of a thing that it made it to my Wikipedia page. But that did happen.
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Thankfully, it is back up there. So we'll link in the description if you want to go listen to that.
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But the controversy continues. Last Wednesday, delegates at the United Methodist Church General
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Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina voted to overturn the church's historic discipline and
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doctrine on homosexuality and so-called same-sex marriage. Now, let me just know,
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why do I say so-called? Why do I say quote unquote? Why can't I just say same-sex marriage?
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Now, I might, you might hear me say same-sex marriage or gay marriage just because that is
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the colloquial term. And you know what I'm saying. You know that I'm talking about in the eyes of the
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law, it is a marriage. But the reason I typically caveat it in that way or describe it in that way is
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because it's not actually a marriage. God created marriage. He created the world. He defined marriage in the
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very first chapter of the first book of the Bible as between one man and one woman. That is, of course,
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reflective of the marriage between the bride of Christ, which is the church, and the bridegroom,
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which is Christ himself. We see that painted throughout the Bible. And of course, the Bible
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ends with that marriage, the marriage supper of Christ and his church. And so the Bible starts with
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the marriage. It ends with the marriage. God alone created it. God alone defines it.
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The law can't redefine it. You can change the legal implications and the consequences of two men or
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two women coming together in what is referred to legally as marriage. But you cannot fundamentally
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change the definition of marriage because the state did not create it. So that's why you hear me say
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so-called quote-unquote. You sometimes will hear gay mirage as kind of a play on words because it is not,
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in fact, by definition, a marriage. Moving on. By the way, this summary that we are giving you
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comes from a few places. It comes from the Christian Post. It also comes from World Magazine
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by Dr. Al Mohler. So it was approved by a 692 to 51 vote without a word of formal debate. The measure
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approved removing the language that prohibited the ordination of self-avowed practicing homosexuals
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from the Book of Discipline. Since 1984, the UMC Book of Discipline has prohibited the ordination of
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homosexuals, with many progressives in mainline Protestant denomination openly refusing to enforce
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or follow the restriction. So mainline Protestant is always going to be left-leaning, is always going to
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be more progressive as opposed to what is typically referred to as evangelical Protestant. So even
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though I—the word evangelical, it can mean so many different things. I would be categorized as
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evangelical even though within Christian circles we would make a distinction between evangelical
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and Reformed. But for the purpose of statistics, for the purpose of differentiating between mainline
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Protestant and evangelical Protestant, I am an evangelical. Evangelicals are always more
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biblical and conservative than mainline Protestants. So mainline Protestants within this UMC denomination
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have been openly refusing to enforce or follow this restriction that has been in the Book of Discipline.
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Over the past several years, the UMC has experienced intense debate over whether to change various rules
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in its Book of Discipline regarding LGBT individuals. In 2019, the Methodists voted to strengthen
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their denomination's statement on marriage. The practice of homosexuality is incompatible with
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Christian teaching. Therefore, self-vowed practices in homosexuals are not to be certified as candidates,
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ordained as ministers, or appointed to serve in the United Methodist Church. That's the controversy
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that we covered a few years ago that got us, it seems, kicked off Spotify for a period of time.
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According to Dr. Moeller, the conservatives believed they could force a division of the church and the
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liberals would leave to start their own LGBTQ affirming denomination. In reality, the conservatives
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became outnumbered. Throughout 2022 and 2023, no less than 7,000 churches left the United Methodist
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Church. In some conferences, regions, like the one centered in Dallas, Texas, close to 70% of the churches
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left. So really interesting that the conservatives were outnumbered in 2019 when they made the vote,
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and since then, so many churches have left the UMC after they established themselves as a liberal
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mainline Protestant denomination. What was left of the UMC rushed into abandoning historic Christianity
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and joined the LGBTQ revolution, which was clearly seen at the General Conference in Charlotte this year.
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Even before the historic vote was taken, speakers introduced themselves by name, gender identity,
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preferred pronouns. So basically what has happened is that progressives, after they basically took over the UMC in
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2019, they have hollowed out the Methodist church, the Methodist denomination, and have decided we are going to
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abandon Christianity. We're going to abandon church history. We are going to abandon our creeds.
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We are going to abandon the Bible altogether, and we are going to then, in essence, abandon Christianity,
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and we are going to remake this denomination into our image. So really at this point, it's like the
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Episcopalian church. It is like Unitarianism, which can't even be—it doesn't even qualify as a Christian
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denomination. And they've said, you know what, we want to continue the pretense of religion.
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We want to continue to call ourselves Christians. We want to continue to go to church. We want to
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continue to say that we are in some kind of position of leadership, a part of clergy within
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the United Methodist Church, but we don't actually want to follow any semblance of Christianity. So
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that's what the United Methodist Church has done. And of course, this is always what happens when
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you abandon scripture. When you decide that the Bible is not authoritative, when you decide that
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your opinion or cultural changes or social whims have more authority than the Word of God, then you
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will always end up conforming to the spirit of the age. And sexual depravity and the feelings that you
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have, the lust that you have, of course, will take precedence over what God's Word says. You will
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change the definitions of holiness. You will change the definitions of sin and repentance. You will
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change the very definitions of right and wrong. Because essentially, people who do this, not just
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within the United Methodist Church, but whatever flavor of Christianity someone is, when they decide
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that the Word of God is not good enough, that it doesn't give us everything that we need for life of
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life and godliness, that it is not a sufficient standard, then what happens is you replace
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worshiping the God of scripture with the God of self. And when you worship the God of self, as I wrote
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about in my book and as we've talked about several times, you elevate two main values, and that's
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authenticity and autonomy. These two main values can be good values, but only when they are submissive to
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God's standards. But when you worship the God of self and you elevate autonomy and authenticity to
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these supreme positions, everything else must fall in line to these two things. So an example of what I
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mean by that, if you worship the God of self and you supremely value autonomy, then you will literally
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sacrifice your unborn child in the name of having autonomy over your own body. Autonomy to mean that
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you have authority over your body, you have authority over your choices. And while again, that can be a good
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value in that we believe that we should have autonomy separate from the government, autonomy taken all the way
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to its logical end means that you are going to do whatever you want to do within your control,
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no matter who and what that sacrifice is. And when you are worshiping the God of self, that means you
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will literally sacrifice a child on the altar of your own autonomy. Authenticity is the same way.
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Authenticity can be a good thing in that you don't want to be fake. You don't want to pretend to be
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something that you're not or to know things that you don't know. Authenticity can be a good thing.
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But when you elevate it too high, when you start to worship yourself, then authenticity becomes an
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excuse to sin. For example, I want to be authentic to how I feel. So I want to identify as the opposite
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sex because I must affirm my feelings because I worship myself. There's no higher standard than what I feel.
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There's no higher standard than my own autonomy and authenticity. And so authenticity and autonomy
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become excuses to sin when we exchange the God of scripture for the God of self. That's what's
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happened here. That's what happens when all people decide that God's standard is not good enough
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anymore. That it's not God who is love, but it's we who get to define love. That's what's happened to
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the UMC. That's why they're losing so many members. Contrary to popular opinion, it is not conforming
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to the world that wins unbelievers. That's what we hear a lot. That's the seeker-sensitive strategy
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that if we look and sound more like the world, then we will attract more of the world. What you win
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people with, though, is what you win people to. If you win people with worldliness, you are winning
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them to worldliness. We are to win people with the cross, with the aroma of Christ. Romans 2, God's kindness
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leads us to repentance, right? So it is not worldliness. It is not compromise. It is not conformity with the
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world that is going to win people to Christ. And unfortunately, it seems like many people at the UMC just
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don't understand that they don't care because they have entered into the wide gate rather than the
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narrow one. And I'll show you this compilation of what it sounds like to be at one of these
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conferences, one of these gatherings with the United Methodist Church. Again, this is before they
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actually took the vote. These are the kinds of people that now comprise United Methodist Church and
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are making these kinds of decisions. Okay, so here is this general conference in Charlotte. Here's
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what these leaders of the United Methodist Church sound like. Sot one. Becca Gorel, clergy, New England
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and clubhouse. This is more stringent annual conference she, her, hers queer, white, adult. I'm very sorry to do this.
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Bishop Thomas Lang, Deacon, Greater New Jersey adult white male. Thank you, bishop. Good morning, friends.
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I am Scott Brewer, a cisgendered white, lay, male delegate from the Great Plains conference.
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My name is Carol Zagzma, clergy delegate from Minnesota, white, female, gay, adult, with pronouns she and her.
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Oh, my goodness. These people, they just want so badly to be special. That's what it comes across
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like to me. They just really want to be special. They want to be unique. They want to be
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different. I always think about what started this desire to be identified in the most niche
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categories. I know some people are like, no, this is just who they really are. This is their
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authentic selves. They're just showing up and taking space and sharing their truth. I know.
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Yada, yada, yada. All that is nonsense, by the way. It's vapid, harmful nonsense. I always think
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it kind of goes back. Well, it probably goes back a lot farther than this. You could argue it goes
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all the way back to the garden, worshiping the God of self. I think about those Disney princess
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quizzes or those personality test quizzes that were on social media and on Facebook and probably
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on like Disney.com at the turn of the millennium. And I think that we got so obsessed with like
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these personality tests and finding like what our color is, the mood rings, the power bracelets,
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like all of these things that were just feeding our narcissism and telling us you are unique. You
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are special. You are so different. No one else is exactly like this. That's what I think of when
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these people are announcing all of their little intersectional identities is that we just want so
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badly to be a part of something that is like special and different and not a part of the
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mainstream. And that's exacerbated when you have this meta narrative, this erroneous meta narrative
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that says like if you are just a white cisgendered so-called, of course, that's a nonsense turn that
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was created by like a weird groomer guy. But if you are just a white, normal, heterosexual,
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Christian, conservative guy, then you are an oppressor. And of course, if you are a white woman
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who is also conservative, then you are a part of the Handmaid's Tale enablers, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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blah. And so in order to be a part of like either championing the marginalized or on the side of the
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marginalized, you have to take on all of these various identities. And again, these identities
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usurp or they supersede God's authority and who God says that we are. And it really is a matter of
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like going all the way back to Genesis 1. As we've talked about before, like transgenderism is a direct
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affront to God's authority because only God can declare something to be, can only create through
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declaration, let there be light and there was light. Transgenderism says that you can say,
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let there be female. I am female and become female. And that is a lie from the pit of hell. And that's
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why I also don't declare pronouns because you are assenting to this ridiculous idea, this false idea
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that you can become something by declaration or that your gender is a matter of declaration or
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announcement. And it's not, it's innate. Anyway, let's get some background on the United Methodist
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Church that I think is important. And a lot of this comes from Dr. Al Mohler and World Magazine.
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So if you look at John Wesley, who established the United Methodist Church, it was not his intention to
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establish his own church. It was his goal to lead a holiness movement, a kind of revival within the
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Church of England, which he really did. Along with his brother, Charles, they wrote hymns that were
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really beautiful. They did a lot of good. They were eventually dubbed Methodist as a term of derision,
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actually, due to the methodical approach taken by Wesley's devotional societies. Methodism quickly
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made its way to the colonies. Wesley himself came to Savannah, Georgia in 1735. He was loyal to Britain
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and the Church of England. So as the War of Independence began, Americans were left to
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establish their own church. So kind of taking his teachings, but they weren't under his direct
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guidance. The Methodist Episcopal Church was established in 1784 in Baltimore and spread like
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wildfire. Before long, the Methodist would be the largest single denominational movement in America
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and remain strong well into the 20th century. But they were divided by the Civil War. And then the
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Church reunited in 1938. And then they added the Evangelical United Brethren in 1968, forming the
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United Methodist Church. They did appear united for decades. But then, as we have discussed,
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there were liberal conservative tensions within the United Methodist Church at the end of the 20th
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century. The same thing happened in the Southern Baptist Church, by the way, in the 1980s. The
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conservatives won, though. It was the LGBTQ movement that eventually blew up the church,
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as we've already discussed. And here's a quote from Dr. Mueller on this.
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John Wesley's Holiness Movement, once America's largest denomination, now reduced to a shadow of
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its former self, abandoned the Christian faith and established a new religion with the celebration of
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LGBTQ sexuality at the center, a mighty movement that Wesley had founded to bring holiness and piety
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to the Church of England, surrendered to the revolution, pushing the new sexuality and radical
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gender ideologies. And it did so with gusto. And of course, so this is the end of the United
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Methodist Church. Because again, this goes all the way back, not just to the passages about sexuality,
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not just to Romans 1, not just 1 Corinthians 6, not just the verses in Leviticus that say a man lying
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with another man is an abomination. It goes all the way back to Genesis 1, that God created the heavens
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and the earth. Because if he created the heavens and the earth, that changes everything. What do we
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always say? He alone says what is and what isn't, what's right and what's wrong, what's good and what's
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bad, what's true and what's false, what a marriage is, what a woman is, when life begins and why it
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matters. If he created all of this, then he has the authority to define all things. And if the God who
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created all of this and has the authority to define all things and tells us that marriage is between a man
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and a woman, as we read in Genesis 127, and gender is male and female, as we read in Genesis 127. And he
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is also the God who is love, 1 John 4, 8, and everything he says and does, how he defines things,
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the boundaries he puts in place are all also done in love. And this is the belief, the UMC departing from
00:27:00.640
biblical sexuality is the belief that they can actually out love God by disagreeing with him,
00:27:06.140
but you can't. Because you are not love, I am not love, God is love. Therefore, everything that he
00:27:12.480
does and says is done and said in love. And just a reminder, the alliteration that we always use,
00:27:19.980
biblical marriage between a man and a woman is rooted in creation, Genesis 127. It's reiterated
00:27:24.700
throughout scripture. For example, honor your father and mother. It's repeated by Jesus himself,
00:27:29.620
Matthew 19, 4 through 5. Have you not read that he, that in the beginning, he made the male
00:27:36.020
and female. As he is answering a question about divorce, he goes all the way back to creation
00:27:40.580
and defines marriage. It is a representative of Christ in the church. As we read in Ephesians
00:27:46.600
5, that the husband represents Christ, that the wife represents the church, and therefore it is
00:27:51.560
reflective of the gospel. The Bible starts with that marriage. It ends with a marriage. Marriage
00:27:56.180
between a man and a woman is an earthly representation of an eternal and spiritual heavenly reality. The marriage
00:28:01.660
between Christ and a church. Two men can't represent that. Two women can't represent that. That is why
00:28:06.380
it's so fundamental. That is why always when you see someone abandon what God says about sexuality and
00:28:13.120
about gender, they eventually abandon all of it. You just don't know very many people who can live
00:28:21.080
in that incongruence for very long, who say, yes, God's word is authoritative on John 14, 6, that says
00:28:28.860
that he is the way, the truth, and the life, and that no one can come to the Father except through
00:28:32.880
Christ, but it's not authoritative when it comes to sexuality. It's not authoritative when it comes
00:28:37.960
to creation. It's not authoritative when it comes to Ephesians 5 and the definition of marriage.
00:28:42.640
There are some people that try to live in that tension for a certain period of time. It never lasts
00:28:47.980
long. It never lasts long. Either God graciously sanctifies them into repentance and into
00:28:53.520
cohesiveness and congruence, or they are tempted away from the faith. And again, they enter that
00:29:01.100
wide gate. So they did try to have some kind of biblical support of their decision at this general
00:29:10.080
conference for the UMC James Howe. I think that's maybe how you pronounce his last name. He's a clergyman
00:29:17.800
from Western North Carolina. He gave a little bit of a speech saying, you know, this is why we must
00:29:26.160
compromise on this issue. That would be my phrasing, but why we must vote for full inclusion of the
00:29:33.260
LGBTQ people. Here's top three. Scripture enables us to keep our arms around all people who dream,
00:29:40.480
who are broken, who are seeking the grace and the mercy of God. We've talked a lot about regions here
00:29:46.340
in the region where I work. What we know is that cynics and young adults will not listen to us
00:29:54.700
talk about Jesus if we say that we do not condone people that they love and care about. They just shut
00:30:02.200
us out if we do this. I always suspect that the important Bible verse for the day might be Romans
00:30:07.040
chapter 8 verse 1. There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus. Okay, I just want to know quite a few
00:30:15.580
things there. First, on that last thing that he said, he misquoted it, and this is actually really
00:30:22.220
important. He said there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus. That's not what the verse says.
00:30:28.780
Romans 8 verse 1 says there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For those who are in
00:30:36.660
Christ Jesus. For those who have been saved, as Ephesians 2 says, by grace through faith in Christ.
00:30:46.320
So for those of us who are Christians, who have been purchased, who by grace through faith have
00:30:53.700
been made alive in him, who have been saved, who are new creations by the grace and the mercy and the
00:30:59.520
power of God. For those of us, there is no condemnation because he who knew no sin became sin,
00:31:05.680
that we might become the righteousness of God. We are the righteousness of God, not because we have
00:31:11.500
merited that on our own, not because we have earned that, but because God's work on the cross
00:31:17.680
was sufficient for our holiness and our righteousness for our justification. So because we are justified
00:31:25.120
by faith in Christ, we are justified by his blood shed on the cross, there is no condemnation
00:31:32.680
for us. There is condemnation for those outside of Christ. Not just here, but in eternity.
00:31:41.980
And so that is wrong. There's no condemnation for anyone out there. So you're saying that Christianity
00:31:46.620
just offers moral relativism to people? That the Bible has no standards? That there's no definition
00:31:53.740
of holiness or sin? There's just no condemnation? Then why would anyone become a Christian? You can get
00:31:59.160
that from the world. Why go to church on Sunday when you can go to brunch? You can hear from anyone.
00:32:05.140
You can hear from the most staunch Satanist that there's no condemnation. What's different about
00:32:12.100
the gospel? What exactly is the good news if there is no condemnation for anyone ever? And another thing
00:32:19.780
that I want to address is something that I alluded to earlier when he says that we know that if we
00:32:31.980
don't condone gay people, people who identify as the opposite sex, people who identify as quote unquote
00:32:38.360
queer, then the skeptics, the cynics, the unbelievers will not listen to us. Look, that is a lie
00:32:48.400
almost as old as time. That we have to compromise in order to win, that we have to lie to people,
00:32:57.460
that we have to affirm the sin that God says is killing them in order to win them to the cross
00:33:04.600
of Christ. And I love this verse from 2 Corinthians 2 14, but thanks be to God who in Christ always leads
00:33:12.460
us in triumphal procession. And through us spreads the fragrance of the knowledge of him everywhere.
00:33:19.520
For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing.
00:33:28.980
The aroma of Christ. The aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are
00:33:38.100
perishing. To one, a fragrance of death to death, to the other, a fragrance from life to life. Who is
00:33:45.020
sufficient for these things? For we are not like so many peddlers of God's word, but as men of sincerity,
00:33:50.680
as commissioned by God in the sight of God, we speak in Christ. Wow. That's a really big privilege.
00:33:59.060
That's a really big deal. That is our role. That is our privilege, that we are the aroma of Christ,
00:34:09.700
that we spread the knowledge of him, the knowledge of the gospel. And I'll also read you Romans 2 4,
00:34:22.140
or do you presume, presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing
00:34:28.560
that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance. But because of your hard and impenitent
00:34:35.980
heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will
00:34:43.060
be revealed. And of course, this is following Romans 1, which very explicitly says that relations
00:34:51.120
between two men or relations between two women are abominable, are dishonorable, are sinful.
00:34:57.940
So we could start, for example, in verse 24, although I think the whole chapter is relevant.
00:35:03.700
Therefore, God gave them up in the lust of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their
00:35:08.980
bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and
00:35:15.080
served the creature rather than the creator who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason,
00:35:20.200
God gave them up to dishonorable passions, for their women exchanged natural relations for those that
00:35:25.540
are contrary to nature. And the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed
00:35:30.460
with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves
00:35:35.980
the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up
00:35:45.340
to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness,
00:35:51.740
evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are
00:35:56.260
gossips, slanders, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
00:36:01.440
foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's righteous decree that those who
00:36:07.880
practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them, but give approval to those who practice
00:36:14.240
them. All right. I want to play you one more thing on the approval side. Then I want to give you an
00:36:19.840
example of those who actually said, no, I'm opposing this. And this is not what we are going to stand for.
00:36:27.040
Don Higgins Wiggins-Hair, getting tongue-tied this morning, General Secretary of the UMC General
00:36:34.560
Commission on the Status and Role of Women, said following the LGBTQ affirming vote, this. Stop for it.
00:36:43.600
You did good work, very good work yesterday in our journey towards full inclusion.
00:36:50.000
You indeed set the table wider and pulled up some extra chairs at God's table, not ours,
00:36:59.320
for persons and voices that have been silenced too long.
00:37:03.500
Okay. So she is very emotional about that. I really pray for her repentance. She will be much
00:37:12.840
more emotional before the throne of God one day when she realizes this grievous error and encouraging
00:37:18.260
and enabling people to sin. And this is really encouraging people away from Christ, away from
00:37:25.820
the liberty that is given to us in Christ when he no longer makes us a slave or allows us to be a
00:37:31.760
slave of sin. We can be free from the oppression of our loss in Christ. That is the gospel. That is the
00:37:38.720
good news. But as I said, not everyone is for this.
00:37:42.720
All right. Let's go ahead and play sought to. In my country, Sierra Leone, we see graves of
00:38:06.860
people who had given their lives to maintaining the tradition of the church. If we want to be
00:38:13.500
Christ-like, we should be following the traditions of the church rather than the traditions, our local
00:38:19.280
traditions and our cultures in our local areas.
00:38:24.700
Yeah. So he is representative of many Africans in the United Methodist Church there who are saying no.
00:38:34.660
Okay. Not only have they seen how difficult it is to be a Christian in a Muslim-majority country,
00:38:40.920
a Christian in a place that doesn't accept Christianity, that truly persecutes, maligns,
00:38:47.500
even kills Christians, but they have also seen the physical effects of male and male sex.
00:38:57.880
And they understand its physical consequences as well as the spiritual consequences of sin.
00:39:08.460
And so I appreciate this guy standing up there and saying, look, we see the graves of people who have
00:39:16.580
given their lives to maintaining the tradition of the church. Now, one thing I will say, and I don't know
00:39:24.060
if this is just because there's a language issue or if this is truly what he meant, but it's more than
00:39:30.140
a tradition because a tradition is man-made. A tradition is arbitrary because it's dependent upon
00:39:38.640
what you want to do in a particular era or cultural moment. A tradition is passed down from ancestors,
00:39:46.200
from generation to generation, and there are great benefits to traditions.
00:39:50.020
But that's not what's being torn apart and destroyed here. What's being torn apart or attempted
00:39:59.920
to be torn apart is the very authority in the word of God. And that's a much bigger deal than tearing
00:40:06.520
down a tradition. Daryl Harrison pointed out that Sierra Leone is nearly 80% Muslim, yet this brother
00:40:13.940
comes to America and is in the minority at the convention of his own denomination. That's a
00:40:21.080
problem. That's a problem. So that's what's happening at the United Methodist Church. They are, of course,
00:40:29.800
not only progressive in that way, they are progressive in every way when it comes to social and so-called
00:40:36.840
racial justice. They discussed at this general conference how their commissions were monitoring
00:40:42.600
the event to keep proper decorum, respect for the rules of the gathering, and respect for diversity.
00:40:48.360
Dr. Reverend Arroyo, he is a gay man married to another reverend who is an ordained deacon in the
00:40:58.880
Methodist Church, and he asked delegates who addressed the event to state not only their name,
00:41:03.660
annual conference, and if they were a laity or clergy, but also their gender identity and racial or ethnic
00:41:09.280
identity. And also said it was important to avoid exclusively male language for God. Monitoring is
00:41:21.460
not policing, he said. Be respectful of the choice of language that is used, including avoiding that
00:41:28.040
exclusively male language. And then he also presented their report card and the diversity of officers
00:41:34.560
elected to the conference's legislative committees, then scolded attendees to work a little bit harder
00:41:41.580
on inclusion with language and interpretation. And, you know, this so often happens that this racial
00:41:47.820
nonsense, this DEI nonsense goes hand in hand with compromise on LGBTQ issues. They're not the same thing,
00:41:56.620
but the race is so often conflated or placed in the same category as so-called gender identity and
00:42:05.460
sexuality. And obviously there's a difference because it's not a sin to have any skin color or to have
00:42:11.600
any ethnicity, and you're all equally made in the image of God, and you have equal access to the Father
00:42:17.920
through Christ as a Christian. And so it's not the same, of course, as someone sinning against God
00:42:24.420
through their sexuality or denying their biological reality. But both of these kinds of, both like
00:42:32.500
non-white people and people who identify as LGBTQ are placed in the same category of oppression.
00:42:38.880
And so they are placed under the same marginalized and oppressed umbrella, and therefore the same
00:42:46.180
mechanisms are employed to purport to defend them. And so very often through,
00:42:54.420
what I think is the vehicle of what I typically refer to as toxic empathy, people are convinced
00:43:12.460
gay people, trans people, black people, brown people, immigrants.
00:43:16.540
They're all kind of placed in the same bucket. And too many people kind of
00:43:20.320
fall into that trap of thinking that to be empathetic, we have to believe in this victim
00:43:28.300
mentality and treat people as if they are oppressed when they are in fact not, and that we can't
00:43:33.560
differentiate between what is a sin and what is simply an ethnicity, and also convinces us to buy
00:43:39.660
into the lie that all non-white people are oppressed and all white people are privileged. That's not true.
00:43:45.560
This nonsense seems to all go together, and we have to be super discerning about that.
00:43:52.200
Okay, so UMC is super happy. This is how we're going to end this.
00:43:56.360
But they're super excited about this, and they decided, of course, not to end their conference
00:44:09.560
Okay, so that is that. That's that. So that's what's happening in the United Methodist Church.
00:44:34.460
Um, the gates of hell will not prevail against the church. There's always been compromise. There's
00:44:41.740
always been temptation. There's always been sin. Remember, the gate is wide that leads to hell,
00:44:46.800
and the gate is narrow that leads to eternal life in Christ. And again, that's not earned by our own
00:44:53.620
works, by our own perfection, but it is won by Christ on the cross. Praise God for that. And those who are
00:45:02.520
truly saved, will be sanctified, and will gain the knowledge and the wisdom of his word that is
00:45:11.020
necessary to live a life of godliness. And so it's very discouraging. But we already see that the UMC
00:45:20.300
is a shadow of its former self, and that denominations like this end up dying, and that God will protect
00:45:30.980
his people. He is still a good shepherd. The sheep know his voice, and we follow him. And that doesn't mean
00:45:40.060
there will never be theological disagreements, because of course there will be. Um, but he is going to
00:45:46.980
preserve his people, and we can trust that. And going back to Romans 8, and what Romans 8 actually says,
00:45:54.360
nothing can separate us, God's people, who've been purchased by him from the love of Christ.
00:46:02.160
Um, and read that end of chapter, of chapter 8. It defines who God's people are really, really well
00:46:08.420
and explicitly. All right, before we move into just a short light-hearted segment about the Met Gala,
00:46:13.560
which I know some of you like that when we talk about people's outfits, some of you don't. So you can
00:46:18.440
just, you can just end the episode here if you don't want to hear this. But if you're watching
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00:47:17.920
Okay, Brie. The Met Gala was last night, right? Right. Last night. And, um, tell me what,
00:47:38.620
what the theme was. The Garden of Time. Can you explain that to me? It was the Garden of Time.
00:47:43.240
You know, these themes are, like, so, I feel like they're, they're so convoluted. And the,
00:47:49.420
to be fair, the goal is it's open to interpretation. Yeah. So the celebrities interpret it. But it is a
00:47:56.620
book, uh, The Garden of Time is a story written by J.G. Ballard. And it's, I don't think it even
00:48:04.080
matters what it's about because people just took the theme and said it's garden themed. That's what I
00:48:09.940
gathered. It's a short story by J.G. Ballard. I'm sure it's weird. Uh, that concerns a couple
00:48:14.920
living in a beautiful home. A mob is slowly making its way toward them, bringing destruction. So it's
00:48:21.120
always very dramatic. Um, what happens at the Met Gala? Do you know? What are they doing?
00:48:27.160
It's, yeah, that's a good question. Um, I mean, it's a fundraiser, so I think it's a dinner.
00:48:32.340
Um, and. And they're raising funds for the Met. Yeah, for the Met, the Costume Institute at the
00:48:38.900
Metropolitan Museum of Art. Yeah. Okay. Um, uh, so Sleeping Beauties, Reawakening, Fashion,
00:48:46.600
The Garden of Time. Okay, got it. So there were some goods, there were some bads. And by the way,
00:48:52.640
you know what? It's okay if we're a little bit judgmental about these outfits because they wear
00:48:58.600
them to be judged. That is like a whole part of this before they go in. They're very dramatic
00:49:04.240
and they wear purposely weird stuff. A lot of them do. Not all of them. So it's okay for us to say,
00:49:09.880
oh, that's weird. All right. Um, okay. Cole Escola. Escola. I don't know who this is. Okay. Is this a
00:49:17.080
man, Bree? It is. He is. He looks like a, like someone getting eloped in the 1940s, a bride getting
00:49:26.340
eloped in the 1940s. But also kind of like a child. Also a child, which. Child bride. A child
00:49:32.580
bride, which is very concerning in a lot of ways. He's wearing, for those of you who are listening,
00:49:37.400
like a T-length straight skirt with a white blazer. It's all white. Yeah. This is the Garden
00:49:45.180
of Time. This is the Garden of Time. Ugly. Um, okay. One through ten. One being the best this time.
00:49:54.620
Ten being the worst. Um, oh, this is ten. This is awful. Yeah. This is really bad. Ten.
00:50:00.980
Okay. Ten being the worst. Okay. Yeah. Uh, Dan Levy. I know who this is. Let's see him. Is he also
00:50:06.280
wearing a skirt? No. Um, I have such a hard time seeing on this monitor. Um, are those pantaloons?
00:50:13.120
They're pantaloons. It's a, it's just a suit, but it's like, it kind of ombres from black to like
00:50:19.740
flower pattern. Okay. Oh, it all together? Like what? It's a jumpsuit? Like the bottom
00:50:25.240
of, no, no, no. It's a jacket and pants, but the bottom of the jacket is like the flower
00:50:30.460
pattern also. Okay. So it looks like it's one. Got it. Thanks, George. Um, okay. Uh, it's
00:50:37.480
not as bad as the last one, but I obviously don't like men wearing, um, floral curtains.
00:50:45.080
So I'm going to go, I'm going to go with like an eight though. Wow. Ten being
00:50:50.560
the worst. Okay. I actually really like this one. I agree. I don't like men wearing floral
00:50:55.760
patterns, but I think for what it is, it's kind of nice. It's fine. Okay. So what's
00:51:02.320
your number? I'd say, I'd say four. Okay. One being the best. Okay. Gwendolyn Christie.
00:51:15.080
Okay. I can't imagine that the purpose was to look good. So I'm trying to like read it
00:51:23.160
based on that. Um, I don't know. I don't know who this is. She's an actor. Actress. Actress.
00:51:32.980
I don't know. Uh, she kind of looks like the queen of hearts. Is that what she's going
00:51:40.980
for? She definitely looks like a character out of Owls in Wonderland. I was thinking hunger,
00:51:45.200
the hunger games. Also that. Okay. Sure. Why not? 6.8 Gwendolyn. Wow. Okay. I'll, I'll
00:51:51.980
give it a seven. Okay. Um, bad bunny. What bad bunny is a man. I feel like I said this last
00:51:59.240
year too. I thought that bunny was a woman. Um, this is bad bunny can confirm it. What is,
00:52:06.520
is he a singer rapper? He's a singer. I don't think he raps. Yeah. He's a singer. Okay. I'm
00:52:13.940
probably sorry to assume that. Um, okay. I mean, this is the best masculine look that we've seen.
00:52:20.240
It looks like he's wearing a Mary Jane tap shoes a little bit. Yeah. Uh, uh, I don't
00:52:28.760
know. I guess a six. It's supposed to be bizarre. I don't know what the hat is. The
00:52:37.780
hat's like a poofy. I don't even know what the, what the right term is. I think this look
00:52:44.180
is totally goofy. Okay. Which I guess is what he's going for. Yeah. Okay. Dan Levy
00:52:50.520
did look better than him. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. What's your number? I'm going to say
00:52:56.220
eight. Okay. Ten being the worst. Okay. Lana Del Rey. I know who that is. Okay. Okay. What
00:53:08.600
do you think she's trying to do? She, uh, she's caught, she's caught in a net. I don't
00:53:14.000
know. I mean, those are like, um, branches, I think that are coming up. Okay. Maybe it looks
00:53:19.720
like a tree with cobwebs in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I kind of think it's cool because
00:53:27.380
it's obvious like the, the veil is probably, is trying to be something. It's not like she
00:53:32.720
thinks it's like flattering, but the dress itself is pretty. Oh. Okay. One being the
00:53:39.680
best, probably my favorite so far. So I'll go with like a three and a half. Okay. I'm
00:53:45.960
going to do three. I like it. Okay. Okay. Cool. Uh, wisdom Kai, a model. What? That's Lil Nas X.
00:53:56.200
It's not. I thought the same thing. It's not. What? Okay. That's so funny because I saw
00:54:02.960
someone on Twitter being like, I have no idea who this is, but he slayed. I was like, I'm
00:54:07.140
so in the know. It's Lil Nas X. Wow. Okay. Not wisdom Kai. Yeah. Um, is that a dress? Is
00:54:13.700
that pants? What's going on? It's pants, but he's got like a huge coat over it. So it kind
00:54:19.420
of gives it a dress effect, but I don't know. You probably can't see it, but there are little
00:54:23.720
like burn holes in all of it. Oh, I thought they were just polka dots. Um, okay. I kind
00:54:32.220
of like the, like the burn holes for the passage of time. It's like the, like this outfit has,
00:54:41.660
it's like moth balls have eaten away at the outfit because it's been, you know, put in storage
00:54:48.880
for a long time. Yeah. So I kind of get that. I kind of like that now he is kind of dressed
00:54:54.720
like a woman. Yeah. So I don't like that. So I have to deduct some points. So I'm going
00:55:00.920
to have to go with like a 6.2 probably. Okay. I don't like this one. I say eight. Okay. I
00:55:08.500
think he looks kind of evil. He does definitely the red and black, but I like your assessment.
00:55:12.860
That's what I didn't think. Yeah. I think they're going with something there. Yeah. Okay. Mindy
00:55:17.000
Kaling. I saw this one on Twitter. Okay. I have just like so many comments about her, how different
00:55:25.940
she looks. I know she looks so different, which kind of makes me sad. She's put in a lot of effort
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to look completely different than her natural self. But, um, I actually like this dress. I think
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it looks beautiful on her. I don't know how it fits the theme at all, but well, I wish
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we don't have like a profile shot, right? Because like the little thing behind her is huge. Um,
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yeah, no, we don't have a profile shot. Um, okay. I'm going to go with one being the best.
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I'm probably going to give this a 3.8. I like it a little less than Lana Del Rey. Wow. Okay.
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I feel like it looks like she got caught up in a pair of pantyhose. I could see that. Yeah. And
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maybe she did. She, she may have. So I actually, I'm going to give it an eight. Whoa. I'm a hater.
00:56:15.700
Whoa. Okay. I thought that it was flattering on her. Wow. Okay. Ellie Fanning. Is this Dakota
00:56:21.540
Fanning sister? Yes. Elle Fanning. Yeah. Oh, Elle Fanning. What is she in? Yeah. This one is kind
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of hard to see, but it's not. Sorry. I meant like shows and stuff. Oh, oh, uh, she, well,
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she was in Sleeping Beauty, the movies, um, something probably on HBO or something that
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I haven't watched. So she was in Sleeping Beauty. She should have ate and she did it. You
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don't think so? No. I love this. I, it's supposed to look like she's wearing glass and I think
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it's really cool. I guess I'm kind of judging people based on the theme too. Yeah. I mean,
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she looks beautiful. Obviously this is extremely flattering on her. She looks gorgeous. Yeah.
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But I, I would have maybe thought of something a little bit more theme-y for the Sleeping Beauty
00:57:07.100
herself. That's fair. It should have been her night. You're right about that. But she does
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look really pretty. So I have to. Okay. I'll do a, I'll go with a three just cause she looks
00:57:21.260
so good, but I can't give her a two or a one. Wow. Sad. I'm going to give her a one.
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Okay. I think she looks great. Fair. Okay. Tyla. Okay. This is my favorite. This gets a one
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from me because she is, this is on theme and it looks beautiful. So the passage of time,
00:57:40.880
she's got a little hourglass with sand in it that is literally passing the time. And then
00:57:46.940
her, um, her dress is like very form fitting and like basically it's, I think made for her
00:57:59.180
like exact form, but, uh, it has like sand on it. It looks like sand. It looks like she's dripping
00:58:04.000
in sand. Yeah. And so it not only looks amazing on her, but it also signifies passage of time.
00:58:13.000
Yeah. I think it's great. One for me. If we're looking at these like costumes, obviously. Yeah.
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I think it's great. But you didn't like you, well, you didn't like it. I thought. Well,
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I mean, it's like, it's to me, aesthetically ugly as a dress, but like for what it is for the event,
00:58:31.780
I think it's great. Okay. So I would say like for me, probably four. Whoa. Okay. Okay. Tension
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on set. All right. That's all we've got for y'all. Y'all can let us know what you think about these,
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about these designs. Now, obviously I, I know if just in case I get anyone saying this,
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I know that these aren't for the women, the most modest dresses in the world. I understand that.
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And I'm not condoning the immodesty. That's just kind of a given when we're looking at some of
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these celebrities, but we never post like the most scandals. We never talk about the most scandalous
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ones because there's just too much. But yeah, that's our assessment. There are a lot of looks
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out there. You can let us know what you think. All right. That's all we got time for today. See you