Hillary Clinton Wrote a Hit Piece on Me. My Response
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In response to Hillary Clinton's article in The Atlantic on my new book, "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion," I offer four reasons why Hillary Clinton is wrong and why the Christian Right is right.
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Hey, y'all. Welcome to this special episode of Relatable. Our typical Friday episode will
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be coming out tomorrow. I am so excited for you to watch that episode, but I've got a
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very important response to give you today to none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton. First,
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I just want to make an announcement. I want to announce that I love my life. I love living.
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I'm happy to be here. That is an important declaration to make. Anytime you get in the
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crosshairs of the Clintons, which to my astonishment, I am. Now, yesterday I was having
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a lovely chat with my dad and my husband and my phone started buzzing. And I looked down to several
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messages letting me know that Hillary Rodham Clinton, of all people, had just published an op-ed
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in The Atlantic focused on yours truly and my book called Toxic Empathy, How Progressives Exploit
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Christian Compassion. And this article is titled MAGA's War on Empathy. Now, if I had made a list
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of predictions for 2026, this would not have been on the list. So I want to take this very unexpected
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opportunity to do a few things. Number one, I want to respond to the misrepresentations that are made
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in this article. Number two, I want to highlight the hypocrisy of Hillary Clinton's claims. And
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number three, I want to encourage you. This article might mention me by name, but it is not actually
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about me because the truth is, if it weren't for all of you, Hillary Clinton would not care about me.
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It is because of your presence, because of your courage, because of your resolve, your influence
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over this and future generations that Clinton is writing this article. And if there is ever a time
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to stand firm and to double down, it is right now. And then number four, lastly, I want to make an
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honest appeal to Secretary Clinton and the audience that she is trying to reach with this article.
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Now, as a preface to help us kind of get our bearings, I want to set up the context, the why
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for this article coming out right now, because my book is not new. It came out in October of 2024.
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The discussions and the debates are not new. It became a New York Times bestseller right after
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its publication, largely because of this immediate reaction, which truly was, by the way, unexpected
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and unintended by me, just the immediate offense that it caused. But it caused all of this buzz in
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the media simply because of the first two words of its title. Let me read you just a few of the
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headlines of the articles that have been written about this book in the past year. We've got the
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New York Times, How Empathy Became a Threat, which is about my book. The Atlantic, The Conservative
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Attack on Empathy, about my book. Salon, Maga's War on Empathy was started by a woman. New York
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Magazine, The Christians Who Believe Empathy is a Sin, which, by the way, is not the title of my book and is
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not really the argument. But these misrepresentations are common. The Guardian loathe thy neighbor.
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Also not my argument. Elon Musk and the Christian right are waging war on empathy. So this has been
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written over and over and over again. And it's always the same mischaracterizations and the same
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argument. So why again? Why now? Why Hillary Rodham Clinton? The deeper reason first, before I get to the
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obvious kind of superficial reason, the deeper reason is so incredibly clear to me, and that is
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that we are over the target. We have gotten to the heart of progressive manipulation. We looked at their
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lies straight in the face that abortion is health care, that trans women are women, that no human being
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is illegal. And we said, no, I see what you're doing. And we are going to give that a name. And not only
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that, but we're not buying it anymore. You aren't going to exploit my compassion to support policies
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that are bad for my family and bad for the country. No longer am I going to allow my emotion to paralyze
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my critical thinking. And now they're afraid. This is the tool that progressives have used to capture
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women for a very long time. And they thought they had the female vote in the bag forever. So when you
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have a woman, a Christian, a wife, a regular suburban mom talking to other Christian wives and moms about
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critical thinking and biblical truth, they know they're in trouble. When we've got 7,000 women, by the
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grace of God, showing up from around the world to our no-fluff Christian women's conference, and even the
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Washington Post has to write about that, they're looking at that. They're looking at y'all. And they're
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thinking, shoot, this is a thing, isn't it? Like, this is getting out of our control. 2020,
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they looked at the landscape of Instagram, and they thought, okay, we almost have a total monopoly
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on female compassion. Now, in 2026, their hold has weakened a whole lot. And that is because
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of y'all. They don't trot out former Secretary of State, former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton,
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unless they are really worried. But why this moment? Why right now? Hillary Clinton tells us.
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She says in this Atlantic article, Americans have now seen with their own eyes the cost of President
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Trump's abuse of power and disregard for the Constitution. Videos of the killing of Petty and
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Renee Goode, she says, by federal agents have exposed the lives of the Trump administration, officials who
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were quick to smear the victims as domestic terrorists, even Americans who have grown
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habituated to Trump's excesses, have been shaken by these killings and the reflexively cruel and
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dishonest response from the administration. Okay, so that is the framing. Look how cruel Trump is.
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Look at what's happening in Minneapolis. And somehow this cruelty is being justified by people whom
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she calls, quote unquote, Christian influencers. She says the glorification of cruelty and rejection
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of compassion don't just shape Trump, the Trump administration's policies. Those values are also at
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the core of Trump's own character and worldview. And they have become a rallying cry for a cadre of hard
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right Christian influencers who are waging a war on empathy. My husband and I have this inside joke that we
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use all the time. A few years ago, our oldest heard us talking about her quietly, and she piped up from
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across the room and goes, is her name me? And so whenever it seems like, wait, is that person talking
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about me? That's the question that I had in my head when I was reading this paragraph, the Christian
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influencers, is her name me? And the answer is yes. Yes, it is. Here's what she goes on to say in this
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article. The day after taking the oath of office last January, Trump attended a prayer service at the
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National Cathedral. The Episcopal Bishop of Washington, Marianne Edgar Budd, directed part of
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her sermon at the new president. In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in
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our country who are scared now. She goes on to say the right-wing Christian podcaster, Allie Beth
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Stuckey, called the sermon toxic empathy that is in complete opposition to God's word and in support of
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the most satanic destructive ideas ever conjured up. Toxic empathy. What an oxymoron, Hillary Clinton says.
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I don't know if the phrase reflects moral blindness or moral bankruptcy, but either way,
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it is appalling. This is certainly not what I was taught in Sunday school, not what my reading of
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the Bible teaches me, and not what I believe Jesus preached in his short time on earth. However, this
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example that she gives, that I responded to, that I said is an example of toxic empathy and represents
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some of the most evil ideas on earth, is not in the quote that she gave of the sermon. She is
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betting that you will not actually go to my tweet and see the speech that I was responding to.
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What I'm responding to is this so-called bishop support of quote-unquote trans kids. Here's that one.
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In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now.
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There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in democratic, republican, and independent families,
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some who fear for their lives. And the people, the people who pick our crops
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and clean our office buildings, who labor in poultry farms and meat packing plants,
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who wash the dishes after we eat in restaurants and work the night shifts in hospitals, they
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may not be citizens or have the proper documentation, but the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals.
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I had forgotten about J.D. Vance's awesome facial expressions as that woman is giving her rant when
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she says trans kids. He looks at his wife like, oh my gosh, this is ridiculous. And that is what we
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all feel. But it's not only ridiculous, it's also evil. The idea that a child could be born in the wrong
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body, the idea that a child should go on puberty blockers or should change the hormonal makeup or the
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body that God providentially gave them is not only unbiblical, it is downright wicked. And it leads
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to a life of brokenness for that child. And so yes, it is evil. That is the Christian position. And it is
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toxic empathy that leads someone to feel so deeply for a person who says they were born in the wrong
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body that you actually condone a practice or a policy that ends up maiming their body. So let me just
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explain what toxic empathy is. Hillary Clinton is confused. Maybe she's only read the salon article
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about my book. She hasn't actually read the book. And by the way, if Hillary Clinton wants to send
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over the mailing address, I'd be happy to sign a copy of toxic empathy for her. I can send it her way
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so she can read my argument in its totality. But a little TLDR. Empathy means to be in someone's
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feelings. So it's different than sympathy. You feel for someone. It's different than compassion.
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That means to suffer with someone. And it's different than love. To seek the best for another
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person. Empathy actually means to feel how someone else feels. And it's not always bad. But empathy
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becomes bad when it blinds you to both reality and morality. You are so deeply in one person's
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feelings that you no longer can think objectively. You no longer consider the person on the other side
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of the equation. And then you make decisions based on how much you feel for one person rather
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than on what is true and moral and just. So for example, you feel so deeply for the poor
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woman carrying a pregnancy that you forget about the existence, the rights and the pain
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of the baby inside the womb. You feel so deeply for the man who thinks that he's a woman that
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you ignore biological reality and the rights and the privacy of girls and women. Empathy
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becomes toxic when it leads you to do three things. One, to affirm sin. Two, to validate
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lies. And three, to support destructive policies. Christians instead are not called to callousness,
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but we're called to love. And the thing about love that distinguishes it from empathy is that
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it is inextricably intertwined with the truth. God is love, 1 John 4, 8. He gets to define
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it. And he tells us what it is in 1 Corinthians 13. And in verse 6, we read that love never rejoices
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in wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. So you cannot have in Christianity love without
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truth. And this is the dichotomy that Jesus represented. Not unconditional empathy toward
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every purported victim group. He showed mercy to the outcast and we should too, but he also
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urged them to repent from sin. So that is my clarification of what toxic empathy actually means.
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Now, Hillary Clinton wants to tell us about her faith to convince us that she is actually
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the authority on all things theology. She says, I've never been one to wear my faith on my sleeve,
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but that doesn't mean it's not important to me. Quite the opposite. My faith has sustained
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me, informed me, saved me, chided me, and challenged me. I don't know who I would be or where I would
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have ended up without it. So I am not a disinterested observer here. I believe that Christians like me
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and people of faith more generally have a responsibility to stand up to the extremists
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who use religion to divide our society or undermine our democracy. Now, I just want to say that truth
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divides. Like I'm not worried about someone accusing me or anyone else of being divisive. That's not the
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purpose in anything I say. The purpose in what I say is to try to tell the truth in love as much as I
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can. But Jesus himself didn't bring peace, but a sword. The truth divides, undermine our democracy.
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That's just a silly accusation. Not even sure what that means. And I'm not being sarcastic when I say
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I'm glad to hear that Hillary Clinton identifies as a Christian. I did not know that we had that in
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common sincerely. But for her to position herself as someone who is an authority on faith, when she
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admits here that she's never been public about her faith, that's a problem. That's actually not
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something that's an option within Christianity. Christianity is a word-based, evangelism-based
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public faith. It's not like Buddhism or other religions out there that say, well, you can just
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keep this to yourself. Just lock away the belief that Jesus is king in one compartment, and it doesn't
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have to affect other areas of your life. You don't actually have to tell people about it. The last command
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that Jesus gives us before he ascends to heaven is, go therefore and make disciples of all nations,
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baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. So we are called to be agents
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of this truth in love, this gospel that God entrusted us with through Christ. And so this idea that you can
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just have this compartmentalized faith that you don't tell people about, that's not what Christianity
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is. So I just want to correct the record on that. But I also want to look at the fruit of Hillary
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Clinton's life. Now, if she's repented of these stances, that would be news to me. I think that
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would have been a much more interesting Atlantic article than the 15th article about my book,
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Toxic Empathy. But as far as I know, she still holds all of these beliefs on abortion. So I just want
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to go through them. Just the just the facts very quickly. First, I want to remind you what Hillary
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Clinton thinks about abortion. And we can look back to her time as senator. As a senator, Clinton voted
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no on prohibiting minors from crossing state lines to get an abortion. She voted no on notifying parents
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when their teenage daughter leaves the state to abort their grandchild. This was in the early 2000s,
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by the way. She voted no on giving criminal penalties to someone who harms an unborn child
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during a crime like assault. That doesn't even have anything to do with abortion. She voted no
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on prohibiting partial birth abortions. She was given a 100% rating by pro-abortion NARAL. She was
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endorsed by Planned Parenthood, not only when she was a senator, but also when she was running for
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president. Clinton has been clear in the 2016 debates over and over again that she believes in the
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unqualified legal right to kill unborn children through all nine months of pregnancy. She has
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been clear on that for years. She said, quote, I will defend Planned Parenthood. Now Planned Parenthood
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kills about a million unborn children every year. She said, I will defend Roe v. Wade and I will defend
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women's rights to make their own health care decisions. Now, if you want to talk about an oxymoron,
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health care abortion is an oxymoron. And also just to show how much she flip flops on things like
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let's look at her immigration stance in 2003. She was the one who said on a radio show, I am,
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you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants. We've got to do more at our borders and people have
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got to stop employing illegal immigrants. So she just kind of goes where the wind blows because in
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her 2016 campaign, she described Obama's immigration policies as too harsh. And of course,
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now she is criticizing the morality of, quote, mass deportations. She also flip flopped on things like
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gay marriage in 2004. She said, I believe that marriage is not just a bond, but a sacred bond between
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a man and a woman. In 2013, she changed her stance on that. And no, this is not just genuine
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evolution. This is what politicians do. Also 2019, she said completely unabashedly, quote,
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trans rights are human rights. She is in complete support of the idea of men becoming women and
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infiltrating women and girls spaces. Of course, she's got a long list of scandals in her past.
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She's got the Clinton Foundation scandal. The Clinton Foundation took in millions from foreign
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governments like Saudi Arabia and Algeria during Hillary Clinton's time as secretary of state.
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There are a lot of questions about what actually happened with those funds, if they were actually
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used to help the poor people in places like Haiti that they were supposedly supposed to be helped
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helping. Also, of course, we've got the whole email server scandal. She kept a private server with all
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of her secretary of state correspondence on it. She lied about that. And in one of the 2016
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presidential debates, she claimed she didn't send or receive any classified material to the server,
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which, of course, was a lie. If we look back to 2012 Benghazi, she was secretary of state during the
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September 11th, 2012 Benghazi attack that killed four Americans. She linked the violence to an anti-Islam
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video. But of course, there's no evidence of that. The attack was a pre-planned assault by terrorist
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militants. It wasn't a spontaneous protest because of any kind of any kind of video. And you'll
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remember, speaking of empathy, her callousness when she was asked about, hey, what happened that
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resulted in the loss of these lives? We had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was
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it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they'd go kill some Americans? What difference
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at this point does it make? And then she also goes on to specifically highlight the problem with me.
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She says the mainstream Christian view is one that rejects the Christian nationalist narrative
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of rejecting the stranger and saying that people who are oppressed deserve their oppression. That's
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what she's saying. People like me believe. And I don't like that there are mainstream Christians who
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are repudiating that view. She says this is exactly the kind of mainstream Christian view that enrages
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Allie Beth Stuckey, the author of Toxic Empathy, who styles herself as a voice for Christian women,
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has more than a million followers on social media. And between lifestyle pitter-patter and her
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demonization of IVF treatments, she warns women not to listen to their soft hearts. This commissar of
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MAGA morality targets other evangelicals whose empathy she warns has left them open to manipulation.
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Maybe they recognize the humanity of an undocumented immigrant family and decide that mass deportation has
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gone too far. Or they make space in their heart for a young rape survivor forced to carry a pregnancy to term
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and start questioning the wisdom and morality of total abortion bans. It's all toxic to Stuckey.
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First of all, I don't know what lifestyle pitter-patter is. I should start doing lifestyle pitter-patter.
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I should have a whole playlist on my YouTube channel, lifestyle pitter-patter. I'll have to think about
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what to post on that. I'm not sure yet. Okay, my stance on IVF. I know why she's doing that.
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She's trying to target a lot of the women who are in the middle and who are more moderate and they
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hear demonization of IVF and they think it's some radical position. But my position is that all human
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life matters, whether you are an embryo or whether you are a full-grown adult. And I don't think that
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people, human beings, should be frozen indefinitely. I don't think that they should be
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graded for abnormalities like Down syndrome and then discarded. I don't think that they should be
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treated as social experiments. And I do believe that we should honor the dignity of all human life
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by protecting them from the earliest moment of conception. And IVF actually puts those lives
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at risk. And so I've got lots of episodes on that if you want to hear more. And I write about it in my
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book, Toxic Empathy. And then, you know, she says, I'm a commissar of MAGA morality, which goes
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so hard. Like, I'm definitely going to continue to use that. I might have to put that like behind me.
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Purposely misrepresenting toxic empathy, of course. So we should just break that down for a second,
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because she actually gives me really good examples of what that is. You should recognize the humanity of
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illegal immigrants. They are image bearers of God, just like the baby in the womb, might I add.
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But their humanity does not justify failing to enforce our completely valid immigration laws.
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You should make space in your heart for rape survivors. They should. But this should not
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lead you to justify killing a baby who is not guilty of anything. Like if we want to talk about
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the death penalty in a rape situation, let's give the death penalty to the rapist, not to the baby.
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Hillary Rodham Clinton believes that babies should receive the death penalty for a crime that someone
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else committed. And then she would like to turn around and preach to us about morality and dignity.
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And just remember, she has over and over again stated that she believes in the unconditional right
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to kill a child inside the womb. Now, she argues that we should have more empathy and not less,
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and that actually that's going to save civilization. She writes,
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Empathy won't destroy civilization. Indeed, it might just save it. We can debate policies. We can
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debate theology. But if we give up on empathy, we give up on any real chance of coming together to
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solve our problems. Empathy does not overwhelm our critical thinking or blind us to moral clarity.
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It opens our eyes to moral complexity. It is not a sign of weakness. It is a sign of strength.
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She's completely wrong on that. There's a book called Against Empathy by a Yale psychologist
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named Paul Bloom. He's coming at it from a secular perspective. He argues that psychologically,
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empathy does arrest our thinking, and that when we use it to make moral decisions, we end up making
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bad decisions. He also talks about this phenomenon that Abigail Schreier has talked about on my show,
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that you can be full of empathy and mean as hell. So when you feel so deeply for one particular person,
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everyone that you perceive as the enemy of that person becomes your enemy, and therefore you justify
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cruelty against them. It's like the mama bear effect in politics. You feel like the illegal immigrant or
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the man who says that he's a woman is almost like your child that you have to protect. And everyone who
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is against them and against their so-called rights, no matter how common sense those positions are,
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they become your enemies. And you justify violence against them. You justify cruelty against them.
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She says the empathy opens her eyes to moral complexity. But when you're saying things like
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trans rights are human rights or that abortion is healthcare, well, you're not showing empathy for the
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little girl who is forced to change in front of a man in a locker room. You're not showing empathy for
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the baby inside the womb who is being poisoned, who is being dismembered, whose life is being snuffed out
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before they're born. That's the problem with empathy. When it leads you, your morality becomes very
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one-sided. It's much better to be guided by the truth in love. She said we already have Christian
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influencers saying empathy is a sin. That's not exactly what I said. It can lead you to sin,
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though. She says, I hope grassroots faith leaders across the country who are appalled by what they
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see from an immoral administration and an extremist political right also find their voice. Influencers
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like Stucky are zealously policing any deviation from the party line. But speaking truth to power has
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been part of the Christian tradition since the very beginning. I actually agree with that. Christianity has
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always been a boil on the back of tyrants, and it will continue to be. And she doesn't believe in
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Christians speaking the truth to power when we're speaking against the zeitgeist that is pro-abortion
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culture in our country or against the idea that a man can become a woman. She is appealing to the
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Christians who are wavering right now. She very badly wants the female Christian vote, and she knows
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that she can pull on your heartstrings and emotionally manipulate you into no longer
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critically thinking about both sides of an issue, but simply going along with what she and others say
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is the virtuous choice. It is manipulation. It's moral extortion. It is weaponizing your good,
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soft heart, your Christian compassion against you for nefarious and chaotic means. Remember,
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empathy becomes toxic when it leads you to affirm sin, validate lies, or support destructive policies.
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And so I just want to thank Hillary Clinton because she's put more eyes on this book, and it's not about
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selling books. It is about getting Christian women to see what is logically and factually and most importantly
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biblically true about some of the biggest issues of our day and to be able to stand confidently
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in that, even when we see the swirling propaganda all over Instagram and elsewhere. And I just want
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to end on an encouragement, a piece of encouragement and an appeal to you. I want to remind you of a
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couple Bible verses that I remind myself of. Luke 6, 22, blessed are you when people hate you and when
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they exclude you and when they revile you and spurn your name as evil on account of the son of man.
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When you are speaking the truth about life inside the womb, about gender, about marriage, about the
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things that the Bible makes very clear, even though those things have become political, at the end of
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the day, you are being persecuted for something that is ultimately theological. And if Hillary Clinton
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is against you on those things, it is a pretty good, not perfect, but a pretty good indication that
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you're probably on the right track. Luke 6, 26, such an encouragement. Woe to you when all people speak
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well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets. And so it's actually a bad thing when
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everyone speaks well of you. Remember, Jesus, perfect, the God-man, they crucified him. Stephen, full of grace
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and power, simply told the truth, shared the gospel to people who did not want to hear it. They stoned
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him to death. And so if that was how they treated Jesus, if that was how they treated Stephen, if that
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was how they treated the apostles, then surely today we are not going to get better treatment by going
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against the grain, swimming upstream, saying what is biblically true, even when it is unpopular. And I
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just want to make an appeal here because I don't actually know the state of Hillary Clinton's heart.
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I can't say the state of her salvation. I can look at her statements and some of the fruit.
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But honestly, this is the truth. I hope to see Hillary Clinton in heaven. And I hope that Jesus
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reveals himself to her. And if you're listening to this and this is all new to you, I just want you to
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know that no one is too far off. No one is too far gone. That the gospel is that God sent his son,
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Jesus, to die a death that you deserve to die on behalf of your sin so that you could be forgiven
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forever, so that you could be reconciled to God, so that you could be friends with God,
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so that you could be free from sin today and live forever with him. Like that truth is for you.
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That gospel is for you. And maybe you disagree with me on all of this, but I just want you to not
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listen to me. I want you to pick up a Bible. I always encourage people get the ESV study Bible.
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It's available on Amazon. It's not very expensive. Start in the book of John and go from there.
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Don't take my word on these things. If you never listen to me again, that's okay with me. But I
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want you to pick up a Bible and see the truth and the good news that really, really matters in all of
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this. Again, tune in tomorrow. We've got our regularly scheduled episode of Relatable coming
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out on Saturday this weekend. I'll see you guys then.