Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - REPLAY ｜ Bethany Hamilton on Women’s Sports, Faith & Motherhood

00:00:00.760 Bethany Hamilton is more than just an amazing pro surfer with an incredible testimony.

00:00:07.300 She is also a mom, a wife, a Christian, and an advocate for women and girls competing

00:00:14.340 fairly in sports.

00:00:16.420 She is also a pro-life advocate.

00:00:19.160 And so today she joins us to talk about her story, what the Lord has taught her throughout

00:00:24.740 her life and how he continues to use her testimony for the good of others.

00:00:29.780 And we will also, of course, talk about the changes to Title IX, why she decided last

00:00:34.980 year to speak up for the rights and for fairness for women and girls in surfing.

00:00:40.160 And we'll talk about so much more too.

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00:00:54.740 Bethany Hamilton, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

00:01:02.860 My pleasure.

00:01:03.700 Glad to be here, Allie.

00:01:04.900 Yeah, it's so nice to meet you.

00:01:06.560 Okay.

00:01:06.920 So many people out there have been following you, have been asking me for so long, can you

00:01:11.320 please get Bethany on, which I am so excited because I have been wanting to and hoping to

00:01:17.600 and planning to have you on for a while.

00:01:19.320 So praise God that it worked out.

00:01:21.280 But for everyone who may not know your story, take us back to the beginning.

00:01:26.460 When did you start surfing and what cultivated your love for that?

00:01:30.720 So I was born and raised in Kauai, Hawaii, and both my parents surfed and they're both

00:01:36.880 God-fearing people and they just had my brothers and I and threw us in the water at a young age,

00:01:43.520 you know, probably on a surfboard before I could walk.

00:01:46.420 Yeah.

00:01:46.860 And I just, I think in my like young childhood, I grew a passion for the ocean and riding waves

00:01:56.040 and I had a knack for it and also just a strong drive.

00:02:00.480 And yeah, as I was getting older, I started competing.

00:02:03.880 I'm very competitive and it was just a really cool childhood.

00:02:09.080 Like just amazing parents, you know, we, my dad worked really hard, had like two to three

00:02:16.200 jobs at a time.

00:02:17.100 So we had a very simple childhood, but they gave me so much.

00:02:21.400 They gave me so much time and they gave me my faith in God.

00:02:25.740 They encouraged me so much in that area.

00:02:28.820 And then they gave me surfing, which was just the dream playground.

00:02:33.240 And so when I lost my arm, it was almost like I was ready because my mom had raised me in

00:02:41.620 my faith.

00:02:42.260 She would pray with me.

00:02:43.480 She read the Bible to me at bedtime.

00:02:45.420 We went to church and they were just very active, I would say.

00:02:50.560 And so when chaos hit, I was ready.

00:02:54.340 Yeah.

00:02:54.500 And while it wasn't the plan that I had in mind for my life, God allowed me to survive

00:03:00.700 that day for a reason.

00:03:02.960 And I very much so could have died, but I made it.

00:03:07.680 And then from there, things just continued to get really interesting.

00:03:12.480 Like I didn't wake up in the hospital thinking like, wow, I'm going to surf with one arm.

00:03:17.940 You know, I was more of like, oh my gosh, I lost my passion.

00:03:21.020 Like the thing that was more than just a childhood sport is just a passion.

00:03:25.500 And remind me how old you were?

00:03:26.440 I was 13 when I lost my arm.

00:03:28.880 Gosh, so young.

00:03:30.080 Yeah.

00:03:30.440 So super young.

00:03:32.320 And to give you a little context, I had finished second in the national titles that summer before.

00:03:41.540 Also with my competitive drive, but I was only 13 and I was 18 and under.

00:03:47.480 So very promising.

00:03:50.260 Yeah.

00:03:50.860 Kind of like, I don't know.

00:03:52.020 Compared to other sports, I feel like surfing, you can kind of pinpoint if someone's going to really succeed.

00:03:57.840 Whereas like soccer or baseball, like there can be a lot of like really talented children, I would say.

00:04:04.120 But you're not going to be like, oh yeah, my child's going to be the best, the next best.

00:04:08.540 I mean, maybe the odd parent might think that.

00:04:10.320 But with surfing, I feel like it's just a little different because now being a parent myself, I'm like, my parents really were all in like almost too much.

00:04:19.880 But I love that they were super supportive.

00:04:22.720 Would you say that surfing, I've never surfed before, so I don't know that much about it.

00:04:28.240 Would you say, based on what you just said, that you can kind of tell like who is going to be really good from an early age?

00:04:34.600 Would you say it's more intuitive, like a more innate skill than maybe some other sports?

00:04:41.140 I would say it's a mix.

00:04:42.760 There is innate ability.

00:04:44.440 Like my eight-year-old son, he innately reads the ocean so well.

00:04:49.680 Like he can kind of like see a wave coming from forever away and he's just in the spot.

00:04:55.460 That's so cool.

00:04:56.080 It's super natural.

00:04:58.680 But it's also something you can work at and get better at.

00:05:02.380 And nowadays too, there's like wave pools.

00:05:04.800 So there's some super talented surfers that have basically like gotten themselves to a professional level by spending a lot of time in the wave pools.

00:05:15.780 And so, yeah, it's a mix of both, I would say.

00:05:18.780 At the end of the day, hard work, perseverance, pushing yourself and like having the natural talent as well.

00:05:26.400 So 13, you survive the attack, you wake up in the hospital and you think, as you said, wow, my dream is over.

00:05:34.640 You had had this super promising career already by the time you were 13 and you're thinking it's all done.

00:05:41.500 Yeah.

00:05:42.060 So I wake up and I'm thinking, yeah, I don't know what my life is going to look like.

00:05:47.100 And I think like when chaos like that hits our life, you just like everything feels upside down, like the future feels unknown.

00:05:55.160 And so that aspect was really hard.

00:05:58.420 But then I had a friend come in and visit me.

00:06:01.760 His name is Mike Coots.

00:06:03.280 And I had a lot of family support and friends coming and encouraging me in so many amazing ways.

00:06:07.880 But Mike Coots in particular, he had lost his leg to a shark and he had learned how to surf with one leg.

00:06:15.260 And so he came in and he's like, hey, I think you can surf with one arm.

00:06:18.800 I was practicing paddling out there this morning.

00:06:21.280 And so he was my first like light bulb of like, okay, maybe I can surf.

00:06:27.180 And then from there, I was just on a mission to get back in the water.

00:06:30.460 And I think most people can't get past the whole shark thing.

00:06:35.500 Like they don't want to go back in the ocean after something like that happens.

00:06:39.240 But I don't know, you want to compare it to say driving in a car, like you're going to get back in your car and like still go to the grocery store for the most part.

00:06:52.400 Maybe the odd one out of a million might really struggle and never want to get back in a car.

00:06:58.040 But for me, like I said, surfing was more than just my childhood hobby.

00:07:03.720 Like I feel like it was a way of life and culture and art and sport.

00:07:10.020 You lived and breathed it.

00:07:11.280 Yes, exactly.

00:07:12.960 So, yeah, 21 days later, as soon as the doctor said I could get in the water, I was out there trying and going for it.

00:07:22.460 Yeah. And your parents were totally on board.

00:07:25.520 No pun intended.

00:07:26.260 My mom was like a little apprehensive. 0.94

00:07:30.900 My dad was like, yes, let's go.

00:07:32.860 Yeah.

00:07:33.720 And then I think once my mom saw me surfing, though, and she had that same love and passion for the ocean.

00:07:40.660 So she came on board after a bit.

00:07:43.780 Yeah.

00:07:44.460 And they just knew that it was part of who you were and that it would have been impossible for you probably to stay out of the water or it felt like it would have been.

00:07:53.060 I think, too, I was exploring the unknown.

00:07:56.780 I didn't know anyone with one arm, let alone a surfer with one arm.

00:08:01.340 And same for my parents.

00:08:02.860 And so we were, you know, just exploring what was possible.

00:08:07.920 And I think it was hard to wrap your head around surfing with one arm for most people, like just popping up and catching waves.

00:08:15.980 And just the whole it's one of the hardest sports in the world.

00:08:19.740 So, yeah, it was just really cool, though, that moment I popped up on my board and rode a wave all the way to the beach.

00:08:27.540 It was just like a tiny little wave, like nothing like very special as far as the wave goes.

00:08:33.900 But it still feels like one of the most beautiful waves of my life.

00:08:38.540 I can just remember that emotion and tears of joy.

00:08:41.600 Yeah.

00:08:43.040 Was it a pretty straight line from A to B as far as recovery and getting better surfing with one arm?

00:08:48.800 Or were there ever moments after that where you just felt yourself getting frustrated or discouraged or even fearful of an attack like that happening again?

00:08:59.760 Yeah, so I would say it was it was a journey, of course, like any recovery.

00:09:08.660 The physical journey was actually pretty straightforward and easy.

00:09:12.620 But there were definitely days where I'd come in crying or I couldn't even make it out to the lineup because the waves were so intense and I just didn't have the speed or the power and like the duck diving abilities.

00:09:27.780 So it took a while to regain my confidence in the ocean and adapt and figure out creative ways to do things differently.

00:09:37.220 And so as time went on, it started to feel more natural and I just got used to it and I became better at adapting and figuring out Bethany's version of surfing and creativity out there and how I can do it differently.

00:09:53.260 And I think outside of the water, too, is the same thing, like just trying to figure out how to do life.

00:10:00.280 And there was a lot of frustrating moments, though, a lot of tears and frustrations and some down days for sure.

00:10:08.560 But I would say that's where like my faith in God really propelled me forward through like the hardship and just trusting that God had a plan for my life and knowing that even at 13, I was like, well, maybe the Lord will use my story.

00:10:25.980 And so I always had a heart for other people, like ever since I was little, like just could not wait to go on a mission trip.

00:10:34.060 I wanted to go and serve people.

00:10:36.540 And so, yeah, I think I started getting letters to once I started surfing again from people like if you can surf with one arm, like I can overcome my hardship.

00:10:48.160 And that as a 13 year old was kind of weird, but also really cool and beautiful.

00:10:53.060 Yeah. And so is that how you kind of dealt with those moments that I'm sure that you had of why me?

00:11:01.820 Why? Why did this happen to me of all people?

00:11:06.440 Is that how you kind of combated those temptations to have thoughts like that?

00:11:12.400 Yeah, it's interesting.

00:11:14.180 I think.

00:11:14.780 My mindset as a 13 year old inspires me to this day, like I don't feel like I'm like the same person today, like I mean, yes, I am.

00:11:25.820 And like I carry a lot of that, but I remember just waking up in the hospital and thinking I'm so grateful to be alive, like I could have died.

00:11:34.340 I knew very clearly that I could have died and I just think having that gratitude propelled me forward and focusing on what I could do propelled me forward instead of getting stuck in a rut of like woe is me.

00:11:50.980 I have felt that woe is me and that's really hard to overcome and face in life.

00:12:00.880 And all I can say is just trying to figure out what what can you do?

00:12:06.100 How can you move forward?

00:12:07.700 What are you what do you have to be grateful for instead of like thinking what if and woe is me?

00:12:17.140 Because life's going to knock you down.

00:12:19.400 And as my favorite Bible verse says, like in this world, you will have trouble.

00:12:23.180 John 16, 33.

00:12:25.780 I've said these things to you that in me, you will have peace in the world.

00:12:29.240 You will have trouble, but take heart.

00:12:31.040 I have overcome the world.

00:12:32.680 And I love that verse because it reminds us that.

00:12:36.080 We're going to have trouble.

00:12:37.080 Like God didn't say it's going to be all perfect and easy.

00:12:40.860 Like sin is a part of the world and we're going to have to face that and it's going to jack things up along the way.

00:12:46.180 But to have our hope in God and to know that he will be there for us through it all.

00:12:53.460 And I think that throughout my life, like no doubt that's been my sure and steady foundation to carry me carry me on.

00:13:02.100 Yeah, it is a shift in thinking from I'm entitled to everything going well.

00:13:09.500 I'm entitled to my dreams coming true exactly how I envision them.

00:13:13.380 I'm entitled to reap the rewards of everything that I have worked for exactly like I want to reap them.

00:13:19.480 And going back to the promise that you just repeated, that actually what we can expect is trouble.

00:13:26.940 What we can expect is trials.

00:13:28.620 What we can expect is for things not to go our way, for things not to always just be a smooth road.

00:13:35.220 And I love that you brought up that verse because the comfort is not that, but it'll all work out in the end how you want it to.

00:13:42.840 The comfort is, but take heart.

00:13:45.180 Christ has already overcome the world.

00:13:47.700 So it's in him.

00:13:48.800 And it's not about us and our abilities, but in his promise and his gift.

00:13:54.360 Right.

00:13:55.180 So after this, you didn't just continue surfing and riding some little waves.

00:13:59.940 You continue competing, right?

00:14:01.520 Yeah, so I went on to win a national title two years later.

00:14:08.020 And then that kind of projected me towards a professional career.

00:14:12.980 And so that was super fun.

00:14:14.560 Like I am just a surfer and mermaid at heart.

00:14:18.420 And so that's my happy place and my element.

00:14:21.280 Like, yeah, it was really fun to push myself and really like push female surfing.

00:14:26.940 And so I had an awesome time.

00:14:29.040 I wouldn't say my competitive career was as successful as I maybe could have been, but there was a lot of rad moments along the way.

00:14:37.500 And I would say the highlight of my surfing career is probably creating my documentary Unstoppable, which we started to create that as a 10 minute short film, just me pushing it in the ocean.

00:14:47.680 And then it kind of turned into a bigger project.

00:14:50.560 But there is the 10 minute short film within the documentary capturing me pushing female surfing and pushing myself in big waves, little waves, competitive, progressive female surfing.

00:15:04.600 And so it was just so fun to push myself.

00:15:09.700 And I had a baby along the way.

00:15:11.420 So I share like entering into motherhood journey.

00:15:15.240 And then we just bring our little guy along for the ride.

00:15:17.900 He has more passport stamps in his passport than most humans, which is pretty cool for him.

00:15:24.560 And it was just such an amazing adventure.

00:15:26.840 And with the support of my husband, of course, he was like, hey, you only have so much more time to like really push it with surfing.

00:15:33.560 So let's just like kind of go all in the next few years and then we'll start a family.

00:15:38.760 But the first little guy came a little earlier than planned.

00:15:42.080 And then.

00:15:42.920 But yeah, it was just an awesome adventure.

00:15:45.520 And I loved every second of it.

00:15:47.580 And then four kids later, I'm still surfing pretty world-class level.

00:15:51.760 Like, you know, I can make a heat and still shine out there, but just kind of focusing on motherhood and having fun and getting my children to the beach.

00:16:01.040 And yeah.

00:16:01.800 Yeah.

00:16:02.260 Well, I have lots of questions about motherhood and all of that, but I'm curious how you felt as a teenager when your story became basically international news.

00:16:15.840 Because I knew who you were when I was, you know, when I was young, when I was a teenager, everyone knew what had happened to you and even your testimony of faith.

00:16:26.020 And I grew up in the evangelical world.

00:16:28.260 And so we loved those testimonies, I think, for great reason.

00:16:31.520 And so I knew your story and your name and have for a long time.

00:16:35.840 What did you think about that when it became this, you know, the testimony that was heard around the world?

00:16:42.060 It was crazy because that was right when social media was just kind of barely getting off the ground.

00:16:48.340 It might have been MySpace days or like early Facebook days, but my story went viral without the social media.

00:16:55.900 It was crazy, like literally worldwide.

00:16:58.220 Yeah.

00:16:58.360 And I actually like hated it.

00:17:01.540 Like I hated being in the public eye.

00:17:04.120 I was like more reserved, like just happy to be surfing, like just wanted to be with my friends, you know, teenager vibes.

00:17:11.240 But like a good teenager vibe too, though.

00:17:13.440 Like we were just rambling and adventuring in nature.

00:17:16.040 Um, so that was super hard for me, but I also had that like heart to encourage and inspire others.

00:17:24.960 So I kind of like fought it, fought the nature to want to like hide and was still willing to share my story.

00:17:33.080 And I think my mom, mom and dad kind of pushed me along too, you know, but they were also awesome in the way that they did it.

00:17:39.740 I would say, though, they also probably didn't fully comprehend what was going on, but, um, I, and then I remember we went to write my book soul surfer and I was like, okay, let's do this.

00:17:55.180 Literally my teenage brain was like, I'm going to write this book.

00:17:58.280 So I'd never have to tell my story again.

00:18:02.060 So we write the book.

00:18:04.160 I would sit with the pastor friend who's an author, Rick Bunchy.

00:18:07.460 Um, he would sit with me for like 10 minutes and then I'm like, I'm done like 10 minutes at a time.

00:18:12.860 So we like slowly inched along and wrote this book and, and then it came out and I didn't realize I had to do like a media tour.

00:18:21.740 So they like, I won't go to New York city.

00:18:23.940 I'm doing all these interviews.

00:18:25.440 I hated interviews.

00:18:27.920 It was just not my forte.

00:18:31.220 Yeah.

00:18:31.520 But God was doing his thing and sharing my story and doing it for a good reason.

00:18:38.720 And it was just so cool to hear so many people from so many different walks of life from all over the world.

00:18:45.020 Just so inspired by my story.

00:18:46.820 And like, just so many children would pick up soul surfer and read that when they had never read a book before.

00:18:53.180 Or just people going through immense hardship and remembering that they can keep going.

00:19:00.200 And so it's just so, it's so amazing to see how even that dysfunctional teenager that wanted nothing to do with being in front of a camera or doing any sort of interviews or writing any sort of books.

00:19:13.520 Um, still, God still worked through her.

00:19:16.940 God used that totally.

00:19:20.040 How'd you meet your husband?

00:19:21.800 So Adam and I, he finished college, uh, you know, had a teaching degree and then he ended up out in Hawaii to help a friend start a young life chapter.

00:19:32.900 He was like, Oh, I'm done with college, like a little free season.

00:19:36.440 And then our friends just loved him so much.

00:19:39.500 They wanted to keep him out there and find him a wife. 0.94

00:19:43.520 And they set us up and then we kind of hit it off pretty quick.

00:19:47.780 He just gave me a call and we met up at the beach and we, we jumped off a cliff into the ocean and he's from Kansas.

00:19:57.260 He's a ball guy, not an ocean guy.

00:19:59.660 Yeah.

00:20:00.140 There's a big difference.

00:20:01.220 Like a lot of like muscle heads from the gems or like ball guys who are like super athletic.

00:20:07.480 Like you get them in the ocean and they're just kind of like barely making it.

00:20:11.420 So it was so funny cause I was like just such a mermaid and we're like really different backgrounds, but also like similar in upbringing.

00:20:21.180 And yeah, we hit it off and kind of went from there, got married about a year later.

00:20:27.980 And yeah, how long have you been married now?

00:20:30.080 10 years, 10 years, four babies and doing life together.

00:20:35.120 He helps kind of like keep everything going and we just kind of teamwork all aspects of life.

00:20:41.660 So, okay.

00:20:43.040 How do you surf while pregnant? 0.96

00:20:45.420 Yeah.

00:20:47.560 So how I like to say for me, surfing is kind of like walking, like, you know, you're going to walk when you're pregnant. 0.85

00:20:55.220 And for me, I kind of just surf while I'm pregnant.

00:20:57.960 Yeah.

00:20:58.260 Like I would say towards, once I start getting a bit bigger, I put more weight up on my upper chest and kind of like perch.

00:21:06.320 And then there's certain types of waves that are better for surfing when I'm pregnant.

00:21:10.480 So I picked my waves a little more strategically and I don't know, I surfed till seven months with my first couple and then six and a half months with my second too.

00:21:21.820 Okay.

00:21:22.320 So, and there was never like a moment of like worry for a baby and yeah, in Hawaii too, I will say a lot of women surf till literally the day they're giving birth. 1.00

00:21:36.080 Like it's, it's a cultural thing of what they do.

00:21:38.540 So then you get on social media and you like post stuff like that and people are like, what are you doing?

00:21:43.380 Like, be careful.

00:21:45.080 I'm like, of course, be careful.

00:21:46.780 Like, duh.

00:21:47.620 Yeah.

00:21:48.160 Like, thanks for reiterating what we all already know.

00:21:51.800 Women can do a lot more just in general while pregnant than people think, especially like for, you know, I had like had a friend who was a CrossFitter and she was really into CrossFit. 0.99

00:22:03.460 And then when she got pregnant, she continued to do CrossFit like all through her pregnancy. 1.00

00:22:07.160 And of course, like you said, there are precautions that you take, modifications and things like that.

00:22:11.760 But pregnancy isn't like a disease that you necessarily have to stop doing everything for.

00:22:16.960 And I will say there was moments in certain pregnancies where I had to slow down and ease up.

00:22:22.400 Like I had pubic symphosis disorder at one point and had to do some rehabilitation after.

00:22:27.560 And so like, there's some element of like, I do respect like what the body is going through.

00:22:33.500 Like, I think there is an element.

00:22:35.580 Like I personally, I'm not going to go on a run when I'm eight, nine months pregnant.

00:22:39.920 Like, I think for me, it just wouldn't be good.

00:22:43.100 I try to be really in tune with what's going on.

00:22:45.980 But surfing is actually more gentle than you'd think.

00:22:49.320 And so, and like also someone who runs all the time, like maybe their body is more used to that and can handle it.

00:22:56.680 Though I think there is something to be said about the relaxing going through the body.

00:23:00.020 I'm really into health.

00:23:00.900 So I do dive deep on a lot of this stuff and try to problem solve any issues I might be having.

00:23:06.240 So there is an element of like, your body is going through a lot of transitions.

00:23:12.620 So I kind of like try to balance that out.

00:23:15.560 And with my fourth baby, I was way less active.

00:23:19.540 But I feel like my recovery was amazing after.

00:23:23.660 So it's just a balancing act.

00:23:25.620 And I do think listening to your body and just paying attention.

00:23:29.960 But yeah, being a surfer, like to me, it's like walking on the sidewalk.

00:23:33.520 So yeah, just kind of get out there and do it.

00:23:36.020 It didn't feel like a workout to you.

00:23:37.560 I am like major waddler in pregnancy.

00:23:41.640 Like after halfway, I personally can't imagine running, even though I've never surfed.

00:23:46.900 And surfing would be like, it would be probably really, really hard for me.

00:23:51.020 But I can imagine if I did have surfing skills, that being easier while pregnant than running.

00:23:57.900 Because run, like you said, the relaxing, it just makes every, like your hips and your pelvis are so different.

00:24:05.220 I can't imagine being able to run without waddling.

00:24:08.320 But you do see the women who are, you know, they're track stars and that's just what they do. 1.00

00:24:12.320 It's like surfing for you.

00:24:13.840 Like they can do it.

00:24:15.500 I can't imagine.

00:24:16.800 I'm curious too, though, is because you do see a lot of these stories.

00:24:20.140 Like I want to hear the ins and outs.

00:24:22.020 Like was there any issues that's five, ten years following?

00:24:26.180 Yeah.

00:24:26.480 Like me, I think I maybe pushed it a little too much.

00:24:30.520 And so I've had to do some rehabilitation at times, like with the pelvic floor.

00:24:37.340 But for the most part, I would say I took really good care of my body.

00:24:41.620 I always focus on alignment because of having one arm.

00:24:44.700 And so I can nerd out on that.

00:24:46.280 I probably won't do that with you today, Allie.

00:24:48.420 That's okay.

00:24:48.840 You can.

00:24:49.340 And we like talking about pregnancy and birth and all those things a lot.

00:24:53.420 So you're welcome too.

00:24:55.440 Thanks.

00:24:56.820 So, okay.

00:24:57.680 So you met your husband about, and y'all, you said that you dated like a year or so.

00:25:03.740 Yeah, it was just over a year.

00:25:05.840 We were met in May and then married the next August, but I was traveling a lot in between that time.

00:25:11.620 So it felt like, you know, I'm probably like nine months, but yeah.

00:25:15.500 Yeah.

00:25:15.840 And then now you have four kids and your youngest is how old?

00:25:19.780 My youngest, as of today, she's 10 months.

00:25:23.720 Oh my goodness.

00:25:23.860 And then we have three boys.

00:25:25.240 My oldest is eight.

00:25:26.660 And it's awesome.

00:25:27.480 You have three boys and a girl?

00:25:29.280 Yeah.

00:25:29.660 Oh my goodness.

00:25:30.440 Yeah.

00:25:30.900 That's amazing.

00:25:32.120 And do they help take care of their sister and protect their sister?

00:25:35.620 My boys are so sweet.

00:25:38.340 It's so beautiful to see their like brotherly love.

00:25:42.160 And I look at it as paternal instinct as well.

00:25:45.100 Like one day, hopefully God willing, mama can have some grandkids. 1.00

00:25:51.160 Yeah.

00:25:51.420 Um, but yeah, it's been really fun.

00:25:54.900 I definitely think having like four, my fourth was definitely the easiest because I had the helpers.

00:26:02.660 Yeah.

00:26:02.980 So true.

00:26:04.020 Yeah.

00:26:04.420 They, they're there to help support, you know, if Alea's fussing in the car while we're driving, I'm like, hand her toys, give her snacks, make her smile.

00:26:11.360 And they can do that.

00:26:12.660 Yeah.

00:26:13.280 And they're super helpful.

00:26:14.480 Yeah.

00:26:14.720 How soon do you get your babies on the water? 1.00

00:26:17.800 Alea, I haven't gotten her on a surfboard or in the ocean even that much.

00:26:22.240 Um, it's just been, life's been kind of hectic and in the winter it gets more blustery and kind of just like less desirable.

00:26:29.340 But this, this summer we'll get out there and get her in like little, um, splash pools along the ocean.

00:26:38.440 Yeah.

00:26:38.940 Yeah.

00:26:39.800 Just as soon as possible.

00:26:41.080 You kind of get them like used to the water.

00:26:43.340 Yes.

00:26:43.620 But like my three-year-old, he doesn't really surf, but he'll surf on daddy's shoulders.

00:26:49.460 So dad will take him out and he'll ride on his shoulders or they like tandeming.

00:26:54.520 My six-year-old loves tandeming and boogie boarding.

00:26:58.040 Yeah.

00:26:58.260 Yeah.

00:26:58.500 Oh, that's so fun.

00:27:00.840 Let's talk a little bit about a subject that you've started speaking up about in the past couple of years that I'm sure that you got a lot of support for on social media.

00:27:10.400 And then, uh, a lot of detractors, of course, because it can be a polarizing subject.

00:27:15.500 And that is the protection of women's sports. 0.99

00:27:18.920 And my audience doesn't need an explanation for that.

00:27:22.380 We've seen changes with title nine.

00:27:24.640 Of course, this is something that unfortunately has been pushed for quite a few years now, but allowing males to compete against women in the name of accepting gender identity.

00:27:34.940 Um, you decided to speak out about this and so I just, I want to hear why you decided to make a stand because you could have decided not to.

00:27:46.540 Yes.

00:27:46.980 So it was super interesting.

00:27:48.780 The World Surf League, um, I was competing in a women's pipe event, um, that was just before the World Surf League, which is like kind of like our main, um, competitive tour.

00:28:04.380 And they emailed the entire tour, hey, like this is a new rule, just giving you a heads up.

00:28:11.840 So, and the new rule was they were allowing males to compete against females and nobody got any precursor or pre-warning.

00:28:21.020 It was just in an email, boom.

00:28:23.400 And I was, I had heard whispers and I told a couple of the girls that were on the main tour and I was like, hey, did you hear about this?

00:28:30.000 Like I'm hearing whispers, like, this is crazy.

00:28:33.400 Um, and they're like, no way it's going to happen.

00:28:36.200 And like kind of doubting and they said the, the new rule was, did they say transgender women or did they just say it's going to be co-ed?

00:28:45.500 I don't remember the exact wording, but basically males could not compete in the female division of trans males.

00:28:51.860 Got it.

00:28:52.500 Um, and so I was just like, oh my goodness, this is horrible.

00:28:58.200 Like I've seen what's going on in other sports and I just knew that my, like, first of all, I'm very much so against that.

00:29:09.400 And so, you know, I, I kind of hold to my values and I stand firm with what I believe and try not, you know, I don't really deviate much, you know, in my life.

00:29:23.160 I guess that sounds weird.

00:29:24.500 I, I am very like, kind of like more black and white, I guess.

00:29:28.140 Yeah.

00:29:28.760 Um, but what really upset me about what was going on was the world surf league in January, prior to telling the girls what was going to go on and the guys, they had all the athletes sign, no disparaging agreement.

00:29:44.740 Like you cannot say anything against the world surf league.

00:29:48.500 And so here you have all the girls on tour, I would say at least 70% of them for sure were against it.

00:29:56.860 And they've all signed a nine, non disparaging agreement.

00:30:00.720 You'll get kicked off and you'll be fined if you speak out.

00:30:04.900 Wow.

00:30:05.340 And so I'm like, oh my goodness, like none of the girls, you know, they could have spoke out.

00:30:10.180 They make enough money to receive the fine, but they would be throwing their careers in the trash.

00:30:14.900 Um, so, you know, all of them decided not to speak out.

00:30:20.760 Yeah.

00:30:21.440 Um, it wasn't like I was really having conversations with them, but you know, you can just go on social media and find out real quick.

00:30:28.600 Mm hmm.

00:30:29.000 Um, and so I just decided it was my time to shine.

00:30:33.800 Woo hoo. 0.99

00:30:34.860 Yeah.

00:30:35.860 Not very excited about it though.

00:30:37.940 Cause I knew it was just going to be gnarly out there.

00:30:41.240 And, um, yeah, it just, I mean, my way, my approach was very much as asking questions.

00:30:48.740 I didn't even state my opinion in the public.

00:30:52.280 I just asked a bunch of questions like, cause in the rule it talked about, you know, must be on a hormone replacement for like nine or 12 months and must reach a certain number on the hormone levels.

00:31:06.860 And see, even still to this day, I can barely even talk about it in like a political fashion.

00:31:12.060 Like I'm not very political.

00:31:13.640 I just think of it from more of like everyday Joe perspective.

00:31:18.200 So still I'm like, are you kidding me?

00:31:20.840 Like, we're not just a hormone level here.

00:31:24.960 And yeah.

00:31:26.300 So yeah, it was crazy, but I'm really happy.

00:31:29.380 I did it like, I just, and that was before I found out I was pregnant with my daughter, but I was like, if I ever have a daughter and I don't stand up for her and like somehow she's one day competing and a super talent in surfing or whatever sport she might choose.

00:31:45.800 Like, I want her to have the opportunity to win a world title without competing against males. 1.00

00:31:52.260 Yeah.

00:31:53.080 And so when I had my daughter, I was like, Oh my gosh, this is emotional.

00:31:58.720 Oh, like thinking about like her future and all the young girls that are up and comers and just thinking, you know, as of now, there haven't been any males competing on the main world surf league that I know of.

00:32:15.120 There was one male that won a men's event and then he went and won the women's event like a year or two later.

00:32:22.160 Um, and so that was just crazy to me that people are accepting that I'm like, this doesn't really equal up to me to have someone compete in the men's win and then compete in the women's and win.

00:32:36.760 And everyone's like, just whispers and chip chips.

00:32:39.440 But I would say people out of the woodworks were thanking me.

00:32:43.700 Like, I would say the majority of people are in agreement with, with my viewpoints or with me standing up against it.

00:32:53.260 Um, I would say I am pretty disappointed that not more women spoke up.

00:32:58.520 Like none of the former world title women spoke up women who have had amazing opportunities to compete in an equal playing field.

00:33:10.580 Um, so that was super disappointing and none of the men really spoke up either.

00:33:17.420 I'm like, where's the men out just because it's not your issue.

00:33:21.260 It is in a sense, especially if you guys have daughters someday or something.

00:33:26.360 Um, so that to me was pretty disappointing as well.

00:33:30.620 So you said you were not going to compete.

00:33:33.180 So I said, I'm not competing in any world surf league events.

00:33:36.800 I did cheat a little cause I surfed in this one event that was like sanctioned world surf league.

00:33:41.300 But the only reason why they sanctioned it was because they wanted to have the, the world tour surfers be able to be

00:33:47.420 a part of the event, but I checked in advance to see if any guys were going to be in the girls division and there weren't. 0.87

00:33:54.920 And so I was like, I'm going to bend the, my own rules for this one, because it was that pipeline too, which is just a world renowned wave.

00:34:02.180 And it's a really hard to have a moment out there without any other surfers, but, and the company who puts on that event, they didn't even want the world safe league a part of it.

00:34:11.920 They just did the sanctioning so they could have a few of the athletes from their, into their event.

00:34:18.060 Okay.

00:34:19.120 And so did they respond to you at the time?

00:34:22.840 Cause this was February of last year, right?

00:34:25.000 Yeah.

00:34:25.180 February last year.

00:34:26.500 Um, I don't think I ever got a response.

00:34:31.500 I think I just got silencing.

00:34:33.760 Yeah.

00:34:34.260 I don't know if you know this part, but so fast forward a little bit, they have, um, they do this special event where all the athletes can put a woman, um, who they admire on their Jersey.

00:34:47.520 So their last name on their Jersey, and then they can like, uh, give kudos to that if in their post interviews, if they win their heats.

00:34:56.760 And I think there was like a large number of athletes, I mean, maybe not large, maybe at least five, five or more athletes who wanted Bethany on their Jersey.

00:35:07.740 They're applauding me.

00:35:09.040 They're like, she is, you know, I don't know what they're saying about me, but anyway, the world surf league did not allow them to have Bethany on their Jersey.

00:35:18.460 And they just either put some name, they just changed the name for them, or they asked them for another name.

00:35:27.040 I'm not even sure all the details.

00:35:28.800 I didn't talk firsthand.

00:35:30.480 I'm not really wanting to like go and like, you know, dig out the juicy details.

00:35:35.500 Like I just do my thing and I live my life and I move on.

00:35:39.660 And so, but that was just like embarrassing to me for the world surf league to silence me.

00:35:44.760 And then this year they didn't even do that Jersey, um, oh, day.

00:35:50.100 So that was interesting.

00:35:51.720 They were afraid that more people would.

00:35:53.500 Yeah.

00:35:53.820 They got a lot of backlash and whatnot.

00:35:55.980 I think, I think there was, I mean, I don't know how much backlash I saw a little bit of backlash online.

00:36:01.680 Um, but I'm literally one of the most, I'm probably the most world renowned female surfer ever known in all of history.

00:36:09.960 And maybe the most renowned surfer in all of history and the world surf league was like, Nope, not having her on your Jersey.

00:36:18.420 Wow.

00:36:20.040 So whatever, whatever.

00:36:21.660 I just laugh about it.

00:36:22.760 You know, you can't get too upset about all this political drama and like, well, I think you, we do need to be upset to a certain extent.

00:36:31.720 Yeah.

00:36:32.080 But like, don't let it like eat away at your life.

00:36:34.540 Like, I feel like I had a learning season where things were eating away at me and I'm like, I don't want to live my life with that.

00:36:42.580 Like just being annoyed with the world around me.

00:36:45.580 Like, I just want to be like a happy mom and a happy wife and like a good friend to the people around me and like a good example to those around me.

00:36:55.000 And so.

00:36:56.080 It's definitely a balance because on the one hand you see things like the changes to title nine and like, as a mom of daughters, there's a lot of people who are mothers with daughters, but sons too.

00:37:06.640 Cause it affects everyone.

00:37:08.140 Yeah.

00:37:08.600 It's like, of course you're upset about this.

00:37:10.660 And of course you're thinking about the future and you're like, well, like you have to think, well, girls even have girls sports or will it just be basically you've got boys sports and then you've got co-ed sports.

00:37:21.240 You've got boys bathrooms and then you have co-ed bathrooms, boys locker rooms, co-ed locker rooms in the same thing with prisons, with rape shelters, domestic abuse shelters, like all of these places where vulnerable women or girl and girls are being forced to be with men and boys.

00:37:37.300 And they're put in danger.

00:37:38.620 And so I think there is a level of frustration and anger and angst that someone should have because it motivates them.

00:37:46.420 Like it motivated you to say something, but you're absolutely right.

00:37:50.800 It can't dominate your whole life because frankly, there's not something that we can do about it every second of every day.

00:37:58.240 And most of our day is filled with the mundane quote unquote of being a mom and being a friend and being a church member and being a wife and all those things matter too.

00:38:10.280 Yeah.

00:38:10.480 And they can't just be shrouded by our frustration and anger.

00:38:14.300 So there is such a balance.

00:38:15.640 I agree.

00:38:16.220 Yeah.

00:38:16.760 It's like the best mundane ever too.

00:38:19.460 Totally.

00:38:19.800 I really feel like if you are stressing out about everything going on in the world all the time, it affects the most beautiful God-given gifts and rules that you've been given.

00:38:31.960 And so for me, like I just try to find that balance of like, I stand, you know, I stand where I stand and then I'm, I try not to like let it eat away at me.

00:38:44.840 But I'm also not going to just sit on the sidelines and I feel like too, a lot of like, it's just such an interesting thing because I feel like if women just said no, like this wouldn't be an issue. 0.75

00:38:58.440 Like if all the female surfers, if the 70% that disagreed with that, if they all said no, then the world surf league would not have an option, but to disregard the rule. 0.97

00:39:11.880 Yeah.

00:39:12.520 I mean, they could try to disregard it and see what happens.

00:39:16.200 I mean, there are some other girls that maybe would qualify and like make a new tour, but I feel like if 70% of the women just said no, like it literally wouldn't be an issue. 1.00

00:39:26.220 And so that's also kind of frustrating to see.

00:39:30.240 What do you say to people who say, well, why does it really matter in surfing?

00:39:34.960 You know, someone could say, I could see how it matters in a sport where teams are interacting, like contact sports, but how does it really make a difference?

00:39:44.980 Male, female and surfing.

00:39:47.580 Yeah.

00:39:48.280 I mean, the strength of men in general is just substantially stronger.

00:39:54.360 Like, for example, my husband, um, he's two years older than me, but he's quite a bit bigger than me.

00:40:01.980 I literally work out probably for a while.

00:40:05.700 I worked out way more than him, especially when I was like training a lot for surfing.

00:40:10.240 And there's just no way I could like keep up with his strength levels.

00:40:14.480 Like, it's just not humanly possible.

00:40:16.360 And I know there's some women that like get crazy nuts and like push it with weightlifting and like in CrossFit, like you see these like beastly women, I don't know what other word to use, but like they're just super strong and they're incredible and they're like lifting. 1.00

00:40:31.200 I don't know if it's all natural or what, but like you see these women doing these crazy things, but in surfing, there is quite a big gap. 1.00

00:40:40.200 Like there's a lot of women, absolutely shredding, absolutely ripping, but for example, big wave surfing, men just paddle way faster and way stronger. 1.00

00:40:53.200 Yeah.

00:40:53.640 There's the odd girl, but like, if you're going to be put into like a speed race, like men are just ways faster and way stronger.

00:41:02.100 And so you get into a big wave situation and you have men and women competing against each other.

00:41:07.320 For example, there's a Eddie Aikau, it's the biggest, one of the most, uh, respectable big wave events, um, in Hawaii, in memory of Eddie Aikau, who is just an incredible Hawaiian surfer who dedicated his life to the people around him, um, to his culture.

00:41:27.000 And he died trying to save people.

00:41:29.800 Um, and he was the first Hawaiian Olympian, but they had this event and they just put a girl in each heat to make it like. 0.98

00:41:37.740 Fair cause Hawaii has some rules that if you do a men's event, you have to have a woman's, uh, opportunity as well. 1.00

00:41:45.480 But I'm like, the girls aren't making heats. 1.00

00:41:48.320 Like they're getting smoked by the guys.

00:41:50.200 Like, it's just not, we're just not probably ever going to fully bridge that gap.

00:41:57.000 And while I think it's actually really fun to try to bridge that gap.

00:42:00.480 And like, you have some of these up and coming girl shredders that are doing like crazy airs and pushing it in big wave serving. 1.00

00:42:08.280 But the truth is, I just, I don't see that gap fully being bridged.

00:42:13.140 And there's just the strength difference in particular is just, it's different.

00:42:18.120 And it's like the bone structure too is different.

00:42:21.180 And so there's elements of like the female body and me personally, like having buried children.

00:42:27.840 Like I just feel the difference.

00:42:30.420 I don't know.

00:42:31.080 Yeah, definitely.

00:42:32.080 I'm sure it's just like, you know, almost any other sport.

00:42:36.000 The fact that their hearts are bigger, they've got more muscle mass.

00:42:39.040 They've got greater lung capacity.

00:42:41.200 And I didn't even think about just like the speed of paddling.

00:42:44.240 But of course, I mean, I don't know all of the ins and outs of surfing, but that makes sense.

00:42:49.540 If you're faster and have longer arms, it's going to give you an advantage.

00:42:53.580 And then I often think about when I was a little girl, I would compete in all the boys divisions because I wanted to like push myself and try to beat the boys.

00:43:02.300 But then once they hit puberty, things change.

00:43:06.780 Like the guys that I was beating when I was little, I'm not beating now.

00:43:11.940 Like they're surfing quite a bit better than me.

00:43:15.020 And, um, I'm still inspired by them and I'm still like pushed by them in my own way.

00:43:22.240 Like I love, like, I think most of the best of the best female surfers are watching the guys to glean off of inspiration, you know?

00:43:29.580 Yeah.

00:43:30.240 Um, but yeah.

00:43:30.960 And that's, of course, that's why Title IX has existed because especially in puberty when boys' testosterone

00:43:36.780 skyrockets and women's don't, that's what makes all the difference. 1.00

00:43:41.940 And that's really irreversible.

00:43:43.380 And, you know, like the questions that you asked in your original Instagram post, like, are women really just levels of hormones?

00:43:50.640 Of course we're not because even a man who gets cross-sex hormones and gets estrogen, he still went through male puberty period.

00:43:59.160 And so he's got all the advantages of that.

00:44:01.260 Yeah.

00:44:01.560 And it's interesting.

00:44:02.460 There's that one trans, um, guy, um, Caitlyn Jenner's.

00:44:09.180 Is that Caitlyn or the Jenner's?

00:44:11.100 He was the runner.

00:44:11.760 Yeah.

00:44:12.120 Yeah.

00:44:12.420 Yeah.

00:44:12.660 He, like, I've heard rumors that he, he, or they, or whatever, they, um, are just as strong.

00:44:20.760 And even though he's been on hormone, like he's super duper strong and super duper fast, it's weird that this isn't even a conversation.

00:44:30.900 That's my, that's where I always end up.

00:44:32.740 I'm like, why am I even talking about this, but I mean, it's, you know, it's like throughout history, there's

00:44:39.060 always been that two plus two equals five question that tyrants want you to want to be able to control your thoughts and detach you from reality.

00:44:49.620 I think this is the question of the time, but there's also, I mean, there's other issues too.

00:44:54.000 I think of the denial of morality and reality and abortion, like denying that it's a baby inside the womb and that it's a human being with value.

00:45:03.780 And that's also something that you have advocated for on behalf of the dignity of babies.

00:45:08.160 Right?

00:45:09.220 Yeah.

00:45:10.140 I'm so honored to have partnered with every life.

00:45:13.200 I love what the company is doing.

00:45:15.360 Um, not only are they creating great diapers, but they're fighting for life.

00:45:20.480 They're the only, um, pro-life or life affirming diaper brand on the market, which is so weird to me.

00:45:29.520 It's so weird.

00:45:30.060 Or that I know of at least, you know.

00:45:31.500 But it's like, why?

00:45:33.520 But it's so true.

00:45:34.500 A lot of these big diaper companies, they advocate for killing their future customers.

00:45:40.680 You would think that they would all be pro-life, but they're really not.

00:45:43.780 Yeah.

00:45:44.280 And I think when you think of pro-choice or pro-abortion, the movement, to me, it's founded under, founded with selfishness.

00:45:57.980 Like, it's just all about the woman and what she wants versus, like, acknowledging that there's a human life.

00:46:06.120 Um, I finally just watched this movie.

00:46:09.560 Uh, what was it called?

00:46:10.980 Unplanned.

00:46:11.720 Yeah, so good.

00:46:13.040 It was really great.

00:46:13.920 It was a little corny for me, I'll be honest.

00:46:15.800 But, like, some of the points hit in the film are just pretty heart-wrenching.

00:46:22.120 And, I don't know, now being a mom, too, and, like, feeling my baby wiggling in me at, like, 13 weeks, 14 weeks.

00:46:29.940 Um, it's just hard to deny that.

00:46:34.100 And, um, I just think that society has normalized convenience.

00:46:39.480 And they just don't want to be a mom or a dad. 0.99

00:46:43.460 And so they'll just kill the baby.

00:46:45.960 And I just want to inspire our next generation that, to me, motherhood's the greatest gift I've ever been given.

00:46:52.680 And I'd like to think that if I was in a worst-case scenario and happened to conceive a baby, you know, I don't need to divulge what the worst-case scenarios are.

00:47:03.300 But I hope and pray that I would choose life and that I would allow that beautiful baby to enter into the world.

00:47:13.080 And I would hope, you know, I have a friend who, she's a single mom.

00:47:18.080 And she's one of the most inspiring moms I know.

00:47:21.320 Like, every conversation I have with her inspires me to be a better mom.

00:47:25.700 And it hasn't been easy for her, but she's rocked it.

00:47:29.960 And her son is doing amazing.

00:47:31.720 And so, yeah, I just think it needs to be more of an open conversation, too, for our young people to hear. 0.98

00:47:39.180 Because our young people are constantly being told, like, pro-choice, like, kill your baby. 0.97

00:47:44.240 Like, it's fine. 0.99

00:47:45.180 Like, it's not that big of a deal.

00:47:46.780 But there are a lot of repercussions that come with it.

00:47:49.820 Um, on top of being guilty, you're killing a human life.

00:47:53.420 And, like, God calls us to not kill.

00:47:55.480 And so, to me, that alone is, like, the greatest reason.

00:47:58.860 Just, thou shalt not kill.

00:48:00.200 Yeah, that shalt not murder.

00:48:02.580 Definitely.

00:48:03.480 And, I mean, organizations like, um, Every Life and Pro-Life Pregnancy Centers, which I've visited so many and talked to so many.

00:48:13.820 I mean, they're doing amazing work.

00:48:16.240 Like, those desperate situations that you were referencing are real.

00:48:20.580 Of course, there are moms in crisis, moms in abuse situations, moms in poverty, all kinds of situations in which a woman might get pregnant and say, like, I just can't do this right now. 0.98

00:48:30.820 And, of course, Planned Parenthood is going to say, sure, just pay us your 800 bucks or however much and we'll kill your baby. 1.00

00:48:36.800 You'll never regret it. 1.00

00:48:37.880 It'll never be a problem.

00:48:39.620 But it's not true.

00:48:41.000 It's a lie.

00:48:41.820 They never show them the truth of what an abortion is or what is happening inside their womb. 0.94

00:48:46.180 But these pro-life pregnancy centers and pro-life organizations truly are just like the hands and feet of Jesus in the most nonjudgmental, loving, and embracing way.

00:48:56.460 They take these women in, they not only share the gospel with them, but they provide them with so many resources, help, material needs.

00:49:04.840 They help connect them to adoptive families if they want to put their child up for adoption.

00:49:12.140 And so, like, there are ways for anyone out there who's like, well, I don't want to be pro-life because, or I don't want to vote pro-life or whatever it is because these moms are in desperate situations.

00:49:22.200 Well, be a part of the solution rather than just talking about the problem because there are a lot of institutions already working to serve these women and we can be a part of, like, that life-saving effort.

00:49:35.260 We don't just have to advocate for killing babies because that's the easier thing to do.

00:49:40.420 I love, I just did a speaking event for the organization Save the Storks.

00:49:45.080 And I love what they're doing because they're trying to create, or they're buying and making mobile pregnancy crisis trucks or vans.

00:49:56.700 So they're going to areas where they know it's a crisis area and they're coming alongside of the women and supporting them to just have the full scope.

00:50:07.940 What's it called?

00:50:09.080 The full, not scope, but.

00:50:11.720 Like, are you talking about prenatal care?

00:50:13.560 Yeah, or to know, have all the knowledge of what's actually going on if you abort your baby and the full array of your options, so to say.

00:50:24.420 And, but they're even helping the women, like, find jobs and figure out a place to live. 1.00

00:50:30.180 Like, they're going the extra mile.

00:50:32.620 They're really coming alongside of these women and supporting them and sometimes the fathers, if the fathers are part of the situation.

00:50:39.040 And I think of adoption a lot and I think it's just so beautiful and there's so many couples that are having a hard time conceiving now.

00:50:48.240 And so I feel like that's an area where we could, like, kind of dig into and figure out a better way of doing it.

00:50:54.400 Because it seems like every couple I've talked to who adopts, it's a really hard process.

00:51:00.540 So I almost feel like maybe that's an area we tackle as a nation.

00:51:04.760 Whoever's out there who's a mover and shaker and has nothing to do, maybe this can be your thing. 1.00

00:51:10.620 But, yeah, there's options.

00:51:13.420 And I just think saving life is so important and our God-given duty to put human life at the utmost value.

00:51:23.240 Yeah.

00:51:23.660 Amen.

00:51:24.440 Well, thank you so much just for your courage and sharing your story.

00:51:28.300 And I know that the Lord has given you that courage and given you that strength.

00:51:31.540 But even as you've just, like, the different stages of your life have evolved and now you're a mom, still surfing.

00:51:38.780 But you are, I don't know, embodying, like, a new kind of strength and courage with every stage that you're in.

00:51:45.600 And I just appreciate it as a woman.

00:51:48.080 And I look up to you.

00:51:49.440 And I know I speak for so many in my audience when I say that.

00:51:53.240 So I just appreciate you so much.

00:51:55.380 Keep standing up for these things that matter because all of us appreciate when someone with a platform uses their voice.

00:52:02.720 Thanks, Sally.

00:52:03.720 Glad to be here.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 26, 2024

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