Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 09, 2025


REPLAY ｜ Ex-Psychic on Demonic Possession & Taylor Swift ｜ Guest： Jenn Nizza


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00:00:00.740 Jen Niza is a former psychic. She thought she was communicating with the dead until she realized
00:00:07.460 she was actually oppressed by demons. Today, we are going to talk about her testimony. She's also
00:00:13.140 going to tell us all of the surprising ways that we can see the New Age and the demonic
00:00:17.840 manifesting themselves today. Some of the things that she says, especially towards the end of our
00:00:23.540 conversation, will be deemed controversial, but that's why they are so vitally important for us
00:00:29.900 to discuss. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to goodranchers.com.
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00:00:47.260 Jen, thanks so much for joining me. If you could tell everyone who you are and what you do.
00:00:51.100 Hi, Ali. Thank you so much for having me. Well, my name is Jen, and I am a former psychic medium
00:00:57.740 saved by the amazing grace of Jesus Christ almost 11 years ago, and now I'm actually in full-time
00:01:04.620 ministry. Believe it or not, I say that because technology is not my forte, Ali, but the Lord
00:01:11.500 has made it my mission field. It's so strange in 2020.
00:01:14.700 That's amazing. Okay. You said that you were, you considered yourself a psychic and a medium,
00:01:22.120 and we were talking before the camera started rolling that you were actually mentored by the
00:01:26.560 same person as the Long Island medium. Her name is Teresa. She had a show on TLC. She's still got a
00:01:32.980 popular podcast today doing readings. And so tell us about that, how you came up in that world.
00:01:39.340 When I started getting dreams of somebody who I believed was a deceased person communicating with
00:01:46.400 me, and that's a long story, that's how the mediumship started. And the information actually
00:01:51.440 was verified by an indirect source of this message from, again, somebody that I believed was a deceased
00:01:59.540 spirit. Of course, now I know it's a familiar spirit, which is a demon, a fallen angel. When that happened,
00:02:07.280 I went to the psychic medium that I used to go to, and she actually told me that day that I had a gift
00:02:12.980 from God, that I too was a medium, and that sure enough was a deceased man getting in touch with me
00:02:19.880 so that I could bring messages to his loved ones that are here. She handed me a business card that day
00:02:26.840 of a woman who led a divination group, and that is the person that we were referring to. I was in the
00:02:33.180 same circle as Teresa and some other well-known mediums, I'm sad to say. However, we need to be
00:02:41.220 praying for Teresa.
00:02:42.860 Yeah.
00:02:43.300 Yeah.
00:02:43.980 And before you started having these dreams of someone that you thought was a deceased man
00:02:49.380 communicating to you, did you have a lot of history with psychics? Like, had you been visiting
00:02:55.340 psychics yourself before this?
00:02:57.480 Yes. One million percent. I actually had psychic attacks when I was 12. This started at a very young
00:03:03.520 age for me, Allie. I was exposed to the supernatural, not in a good way, at a young age, and at 13, I had
00:03:11.180 my first tarot card reading. And I really believe that was when I started to seek it out. So yeah, from 13
00:03:19.380 all the way to that moment, which was in my young 20s, when the mediumship started, I was visiting
00:03:27.240 tarot card readers, numerologists, astrologers, coffee grind readings, and I was doing them. So not
00:03:36.000 only was I getting readings, but I was giving readings as well. I had my own tarot cards, I had
00:03:41.300 the angel cards, the whole thing. And again, it's important to mention that when you practice divination,
00:03:48.560 you are communicating with demons. You are not communicating with dead people. You are not
00:03:54.400 communicating with any sort of good entity. So these demons were multiplying in my life with
00:04:00.680 every reading. It actually, it breaks my heart, every reading that I did. And it's no surprise to
00:04:06.460 me that it got to the point of getting the, when they started to visit me, to give me information to
00:04:12.340 deceive. I was deceived and deceiving other people.
00:04:16.380 You know, when we think of demonic possession, we typically think of like Emily Rose, someone who
00:04:22.560 looks possessed, who looks very dark, maybe they have scratches on themselves, and they're unable to
00:04:28.820 control themselves. They look demonic. But your life at the time, I'm sure you looked like a normal,
00:04:35.040 you know, young woman. And maybe you even thought that things were going well, because of these psychic
00:04:41.780 readings that you were giving and receiving. But what did your life kind of look like growing up? Was it
00:04:48.300 peaceful? Was it turbulent?
00:04:50.060 That is such a great, I am so glad that you brought that up, because we know that Satan is the master
00:04:54.580 illusionist. He makes something look one way, it's all smoke and mirrors. I was your girl next door, you
00:04:59.820 would say, shopping at the gap, doing my readings, you know, in mom's house and whatever. But
00:05:05.660 parallel, or, you know, parallel to doing these readings, I had moments of happiness in my life,
00:05:14.920 but predominant anxiety, constantly being bothered by these entities. And I mean, I was seeing demons
00:05:23.480 manifesting right before my eyes, they started touching me. I was hearing from them all the time.
00:05:29.820 And this is where people need to be so careful. Psychic mediums may say, well, I know how to turn
00:05:35.420 it off and turn it on and tell spirit to step back and when to step forward. And that's just not true.
00:05:42.020 They're around you all the time with their sinister agenda. And I could just be in random places,
00:05:47.160 hearing from these familiar spirits, and thinking I was helping people. But it became fearful,
00:05:54.760 fearful at times too. Because they were around me so much. I became fearful.
00:06:01.860 And what did your parents think about all of this? Did they know?
00:06:05.760 Yes, they knew. And they were very supportive. They saw my clients hugging me. And I was crying with
00:06:12.500 these people because we really believed that I was hearing from their deceased spouses, moms, dads,
00:06:19.540 and even children, Allie. And I would be hugging. And I really wanted to help these people. That's
00:06:25.260 important because I believed what the new age told me, that I had a gift and it was to help people.
00:06:32.500 So mom and dad were actually pretty supportive. And I actually read my own family, which honestly
00:06:37.060 sounds so bizarre. But the information in the readings were pieces of information that I never had
00:06:43.980 known, tracing back to relatives that I didn't even know that were deceased before I was even
00:06:50.320 alive. So they saw that as confirmation that you have this special gift. Were you raised other than
00:06:56.980 that with any other kind of religious belief? Did your parents believe anything religiously?
00:07:02.500 I was raised culturally Catholic. Okay. So church was not an obligation. And it certainly wasn't
00:07:10.220 something that we attended except for maybe holidays, maybe not. The holidays were more about
00:07:17.760 the family time and Santa Claus and the lights and things of that nature. My mom definitely seemed to
00:07:26.180 love Jesus. She was raised, she went to Catholic school. But she seemed to love Jesus. And I remember
00:07:32.280 questioning her when I was young and just saying, how do you know? How do you believe in Jesus? And how do you
00:07:39.720 seem so sure? And I knew that I didn't have that. I didn't have that. But I went through the motions
00:07:45.780 with Catholic instruction. I went through the sacraments. To me, though, it was just going
00:07:53.120 through the motions. I had no idea what it meant. I didn't know what confirmation meant. I just did it.
00:07:58.320 Right. There's a big crossover in particular in Latin America with the mysticism that you're talking
00:08:06.000 about in Catholicism. Was there ever a point where you thought, okay, this is, it's fine, because it's
00:08:11.680 really no different than talking to a saint or talking to Mary. Is that part of how this evolved
00:08:19.300 in your life or not really? Not really. Not really that way. But I know what you mean. And I'm kind of
00:08:23.640 thinking even of Santeria, which I didn't know about at the time, which mixes Catholicism, those candles.
00:08:29.460 And I'm thinking about all the candles. I did have the candles. I had the candles of Jesus and Mary.
00:08:35.120 Honestly, Allie, it was the New Age steals from every religion. Yeah. So it's a mishmash. For me,
00:08:43.520 it was really just a mishmash. I could have a candle of Jesus, but have no faith in the real Jesus. I
00:08:49.040 knew the New Age Jesus, the false Jesus. You could basically do whatever you wanted. And I had no
00:08:54.060 authority. And I could decide who these spirits were and even have the desire to control that
00:09:03.480 without, not in a cocky sense. But in that divination group that I was in, I was taught
00:09:09.760 actually to say the Lord's Prayer as a prayer of protection right before practicing divination.
00:09:16.360 Wow.
00:09:17.580 It's insane to me now.
00:09:19.100 Yes. It really is.
00:09:19.980 So in your early 20s, you said that you started to get this visitation by someone that you thought
00:09:24.280 was a deceased man. And did you recognize this man in your dreams?
00:09:28.280 This is very interesting. I did not at all recognize this man. As a matter of fact,
00:09:32.300 he was indirectly connected. I mean, of course, again, it's a demon.
00:09:35.980 But in your mind then?
00:09:38.380 In my mind, he was indirectly connected to an ex of mine, my daughter's father, which was
00:09:44.760 very clever of Satan because her dad and I were not together anymore. But he would visit
00:09:51.260 and he was going out with somebody who I had never met. And I knew from the dream that this
00:09:58.640 person was connected to the person that he was with. So indirect enough that I wouldn't
00:10:04.620 question myself. Is that something I could have known? Could he have mentioned this in the past?
00:10:09.360 Yes. But direct enough to get the message. I know I talk with my hands a lot. That's the Italian
00:10:14.580 thing.
00:10:14.880 That's fine.
00:10:15.380 But direct enough to get this message to someone, to get a validation, to further pursue the mediumship.
00:10:25.520 Okay.
00:10:27.060 Isn't that...
00:10:28.140 Yes. Wow.
00:10:29.080 And he was in awe. He was... When I said to him, I said, listen, I said, I had this dream and I think
00:10:35.480 it may be connected to your girlfriend. And I explained the dream, what this boy looked
00:10:40.780 like, how he died, the whole thing. And he said, okay, I'll have to ask her. So he didn't
00:10:45.840 even know at the time. He went back and he asked her and he came back a week later to visit
00:10:49.920 our daughter. And he said, I have to talk to you. And he said, that is so-and-so's brother.
00:10:55.360 And that is exactly... So he said to me, so then what's his name? And I said, Michael,
00:11:01.120 those demons just downloaded the information in a second. And he said, yeah. And we were
00:11:06.720 both shook.
00:11:08.320 Yes.
00:11:08.900 We were both shook.
00:11:11.500 Tell me about how, because this is something I don't know a lot about, how and why a demon
00:11:19.320 would manifest themselves in a way that would make someone feel like they're a psychic or
00:11:25.480 they're a medium. What is the purpose and the mechanism of that? Because that's, I mean,
00:11:33.100 that's just kind of mind-blowing to me.
00:11:34.900 Yeah, absolutely. So we know that a third of the heavenly host fell with Satan. So there
00:11:39.980 are angels that are fallen angels. So those are demons and they're all over the place.
00:11:44.960 And they've been here for ages, Allie. And so they study people. I always say, I'm a human
00:11:50.540 being and I can make a prediction. And I can make a prediction with a very high accuracy.
00:11:57.280 So we're people. Imagine those demons that have been around for ages and have influence. We know
00:12:02.460 it's a spiritual battle. Ephesians 6, 12 tells us that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood,
00:12:06.900 but against the principalities, the authorities, the cosmic powers, and the darkness in the heavenly
00:12:12.540 places. So they also have the ability to influence people to even do things to accomplish their sinister
00:12:18.660 agenda. Why would they want to provide information to people like me, to people like Teresa,
00:12:25.760 believing that we're helping people, believing that these are deceased people, to trick people,
00:12:31.720 to get them away from Jesus Christ, to get them away from the Lord, to live in disobedience. Because
00:12:38.500 God says, and really throughout his entire word, but if we look at Deuteronomy 18, I like to go 9 to
00:12:45.840 13. But in 10 to 12, Deuteronomy 18, 10 to 12, God gives us a group of these practices that we are
00:12:52.620 not to do. Do not practice or consult. Medium, spiritist, do not interpret omens, necromancy,
00:13:00.060 which is trying to talk to the dead, conjuring up the dead, which we see, unfortunately, a lot even
00:13:05.080 today. And telling fortunes, fortune telling. It's the same thing. It's still going on. But the enemy
00:13:12.580 wants to fool you, and he's going to come at an opportune time. Grief, in my opinion, is arguably
00:13:19.800 the most difficult emotion that we can deal with as human beings. So when you're grieving, you've lost
00:13:29.200 somebody. You are so desperate to have them back. You don't want to let them go. So now here comes
00:13:35.500 so-and-so, maybe Jen, at the radiology place, coming in for an ultrasound, and the technician
00:13:42.820 just lost her brother. This actually happened in a boating accident. And then I'm laying there
00:13:48.400 and saying, hey, I'm a medium. Is it okay to share this message I have for you? Oh, yes. Because it's
00:13:56.840 so intriguing, Ali. The supernatural is so intriguing. Yes, of course. Right? And here it is. And then you
00:14:02.320 get this information. So now this person is going to continue to go to the medium, continue to do
00:14:08.320 more psychic readings, maybe even then go get their own tarot cards, their own crystals, meditation,
00:14:14.920 all of the new age things, and get further and further away from God. That's Satan's agenda
00:14:19.840 since the beginning. Genesis 3. Yes. Yes. Did God really say? Yeah. You said some words and phrases
00:14:28.620 that I hadn't heard before that you said that you kind of messed around when you were a teenager with
00:14:33.420 something called like coffee grind readings and some other things that you played around with. Then
00:14:43.540 what is that? Yeah. So those are tools of divination. Astrology is when people, again,
00:14:49.460 it's so idolatrous. When people are going to the planets, the stars and the moon, believing that
00:14:55.480 where they are, maybe at the time when you're born. And this is so sad, Ali, if it's okay to say this,
00:15:01.700 I'm seeing this more and more now being pushed out even on television shows like Fox and Friends.
00:15:06.820 They had an astrologer on it. Broke my heart. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm going to call it out.
00:15:11.360 Oh, that's okay. Jesse Waters had a tarot card reader and a witch on it. So it's, it's, it's,
00:15:16.560 it's heartbreaking. Yeah. And anyway, astrology is a tool of divination. So you're going to a
00:15:21.740 created thing, believing that it has some sort of insight, wisdom, or knowledge about your life
00:15:26.360 and knowledge about your future instead of going to God. And he said this was going to happen over
00:15:32.960 and over again. You know, have no, have no gods before me, he says in Exodus 20 and three. And then
00:15:38.020 in Romans one, we see that people are suppressing the truth for the lies and they're trading in the
00:15:43.700 truth of God for creation. They're worshiping creation. So numerology is very similar. It's
00:15:49.900 taking numbers and looking to extract hidden information from the numbers about your life,
00:15:57.020 about your personality. So again, it could be, Hey, I'm in a number three year. That means,
00:16:01.840 you know, instability to one new ager, but to another one, it could have a completely different
00:16:07.320 meaning because after all, it's all subjective. It's not the word of God. It's not truth. It's
00:16:11.460 not godly. He warns us not to do these things. And yes, the coffee grinds, delicious Turkish coffee
00:16:18.300 to drink and then leave. But after you drink the coffee, they would actually move the cup around.
00:16:26.680 Very ritualistic, by the way, move, move the cup around and whatever image or symbol,
00:16:33.260 the coffee grinds would make would indicate something about your future.
00:16:38.400 Yeah. You know, I'm remembering the magic eight ball when I was little. And I remember also like
00:16:45.600 the power beads that, you know, we would wear that different colors were indicative of
00:16:51.800 different kind of powers that you were supposed to get, even like a mood ring. That's a kind of a way of
00:16:58.420 reading, but I'm, I'm thinking of things that maybe we don't consider divination today, which
00:17:03.800 aren't, but they do seem to kind of mimic what people are seeking through mediums. And I'm even
00:17:09.380 talking about like different personality tests. I'm talking about different, um, like essential oils.
00:17:16.280 I'm not saying the oils themselves are bad, but there are certain companies that will give you
00:17:20.880 like a, a forgiveness blend or a blend that is supposed to give you not even just like physical
00:17:30.640 energy, but it's supposed to give you spiritual energy and things like that. And so it seems like
00:17:36.780 what you're talking about is really this desire of people to one, be known people really want to be
00:17:42.620 known and not just in the general sense, but a special sense. Like tell me the particular deep
00:17:48.060 things about me that no one else would know. And then as you said about Genesis three,
00:17:54.040 people really want, or they think they want the power of knowing how the universe works,
00:18:01.580 their place in it. They think that they can unleash and manifest that power in their own life with the
00:18:07.980 law of attraction and even speaking things into being. We see that in certain denominations of
00:18:14.300 so-called Christianity, name it and claim it. I mean, there are a lot of different ways that
00:18:20.760 this shows up even outside of just your standard, like tarot card reading, right? It's a desire to
00:18:26.380 control your outcomes, your reality, and, uh, to control other people's realities too. Like
00:18:33.860 manifesting, you brought that up law of attraction. I speak a lot about the law of attraction. You are
00:18:40.260 thinking that the universe, again, going to a created thing can assist you in attaining the desires of
00:18:47.000 your heart. Where or when did you think your heart should make a decision for your life? You know,
00:18:55.460 we, we tend to go there. We have these popular sayings. We were talking about it, um, a couple of
00:19:00.740 moments ago, following your heart. We have these deceptive worldly sayings that we think we should
00:19:07.540 be in control and we can make ourselves happy. And it's all about being happy and following our
00:19:13.340 heart. But our hearts are deceptive. The Lord says no one can know them. They're sick and wicked. Our
00:19:17.900 hearts are filled with sin and the desire to do that. We should not be doing that. But manifesting
00:19:22.940 is you have these desires of your heart and then you're putting your faith and trust in the universe
00:19:29.200 energy. And then you're, you have to be positive. You have to believe it. You have to visualize it.
00:19:34.880 And unfortunately, like you see, like you said, Allie, we're seeing that come into the church
00:19:39.600 in a very, very big way. There are many Christians that make vision boards and they're going back to
00:19:45.240 Habakkuk two, two to three, claiming that this is a reason, write the vision on the tablet.
00:19:50.820 Oh, a vision board is a tool of assistance in manifesting. So I did it. I made my list,
00:19:57.540 my manifesting list. And then I made my board. I used to teach it too, actually. And on the board,
00:20:02.180 which was Oaktag, take the pictures. Which was what? That would line up. Oh, Oaktag.
00:20:07.660 What's that? Oh, Oaktag is kind of like a big, uh, oh, poster board. Oh, okay. Okay. Got it. I
00:20:15.800 didn't know if this was a new age term that I hadn't heard of before. Okay. Got it. So it's a
00:20:20.140 poster board, right? And then you could take pictures. You could write words on there of the
00:20:25.260 things that you want. The perfect job, let's say, and you want it to be in Texas. So you put the state
00:20:30.780 of Texas, you put where it's going to be, what street, I mean, so specific. And you put all these
00:20:36.560 things on this board and every day you're going to look at that board and you're going to believe
00:20:40.880 it. It's already happened. It's even though it hasn't, it's, it's happening, it's going to happen.
00:20:46.780 And you have to stay so positive about it. So what happens then if something quote unquote
00:20:54.500 negative happens in your life, everything's wiped out because you're depending upon yourself,
00:21:00.520 you're depending upon this poster board, you're depending upon the universe and you're never
00:21:05.720 depending upon God because it's unrealistic to believe that you can be positive all the time.
00:21:12.920 Yeah. And obviously that's different than just saying, you know, I have these goals and I'm,
00:21:18.420 I'm releasing them like God's will be done. This is something that I want, not my will though,
00:21:23.480 let God's will be done. That's one thing. But I have heard Christians say things like,
00:21:29.780 and you can tell me what you think about this. Like I already have the healing that I'm praying
00:21:35.580 for. I already have the success that I'm praying for. I just have to claim it in faith in Christ.
00:21:41.660 It's already mine. They kind of consider that something that was guaranteed by Jesus's death
00:21:47.060 and resurrection, that basically the effects of the curse, they should be gone. And through faith,
00:21:51.880 we can activate whatever it is, you know, that frees us from that curse. And so if they have
00:21:57.140 cancer, they might say, I claim my healing that I already have. If they want a promotion, I claim
00:22:01.420 the success that I already have in faith. Tell me what you think about that. It's so upsetting. And
00:22:07.920 that's just a twisting of scripture. I mean, they'll go back to Isaiah and say, by his wounds,
00:22:12.180 we are healed. Okay, so we're healed. That's a twisting of that scripture. To say, because Jesus
00:22:19.000 died on the cross for us, then we no longer should have the cancer. We're just bound to be healed
00:22:23.320 in Christ. He never says that. Cancer or no cancer, God can use us. And he wants to use us.
00:22:29.700 It's convenient to forget that we are also in fallen bodies. We are going to die.
00:22:36.020 But our soul will go on in eternity with Lord Jesus. And that's where our eyes should be fixed,
00:22:42.640 not in trying to secure, like you said, Allie, your will be done, not mine. How is it good enough
00:22:50.140 for Lord Jesus, but not for us in the Garden of Gethsemane for him to say, he knew what was going
00:22:56.120 to happen. You want to talk about anguish and suffering and pain. And he did it willingly
00:23:00.780 for us. And I pray that people would know that scripture, especially because he said,
00:23:08.460 Lord, but your will, if this cup can pass me by, but your will be done, Father. Jesus sometimes didn't
00:23:14.540 even have a place to lay his head. So where are you telling me that he's just, we're just meant to be
00:23:19.460 wealthy. We're just meant to have it all be, you know, that's the prosperity gospel. That's not the real
00:23:25.980 gospel. And if you don't know the real gospel, then you can't truly be saved.
00:23:30.780 You can't. And people need to know that, that we are sinners and that Jesus Christ alone
00:23:36.320 is 100% man and 100% God. And he did step out of his kingdom of heaven into humanity. And he was
00:23:45.660 the only one who could atone for our sins because he committed none. We've all been born into sin.
00:23:50.680 And so there's nothing that we can do on our own to be in heaven with Lord Jesus. But if we put our
00:23:56.560 faith and trust in him and not the stars and not the universe and not name it and claim it,
00:24:02.200 then the Bible says that we will be saved when we confess with our mouth and believe in our heart
00:24:07.780 that he died for us, that he was buried and raised the third day. Hallelujah. That's everything. It's
00:24:13.140 all that we need. But you look at the flesh, that desire for more, the desire for supernatural experiences,
00:24:19.620 plus the Bible. This is a problem with the sufficiency of scripture. People are not believing
00:24:26.840 in the sufficiency of scripture. They want more. Believers even want more. They want the vision.
00:24:35.280 They want a supernatural appearance. They want to see miracles around the world. They want all these
00:24:41.440 things. They want to see somebody bust out in tongues. You know, we don't need anything more
00:24:46.660 than the scripture. It is sufficient for us. And God can choose to work miracles. Amen. He can choose
00:24:53.220 to heal. He can do lots of miraculous things that the rational mind can't understand. But saying that
00:25:01.300 in order for you to believe or to have faith or for God to prove himself powerful, X, Y, Z has to
00:25:08.220 happen. That means that you don't think that the gospel in itself is miraculous. Like that's not enough.
00:25:13.880 I mean, what you just articulated so perfectly, the gospel, God made flesh, like that is the miracle.
00:25:20.220 That is the anchor of our faith. And God can choose to work more however he wants to, but that can't be
00:25:27.060 where our expectations or faith is derived from. Let's back up and hear your testimony of how you came to
00:25:38.460 know that saving gospel. But you're in your early 20s, you're getting groomed and mentored to become
00:25:45.580 a medium yourself, which you said you had already been practicing it. But I guess my question first is
00:25:50.500 how did that really change in your early 20s after you started getting visited by the demon that you
00:25:56.260 thought was a man connected to your ex's girlfriend?
00:26:00.620 Well, I was doing psychic reading. So there is a bit of a difference between a psychic and a psychic
00:26:05.960 medium. So psychics won't necessarily claim to be communicating with deceased people in order to
00:26:13.580 give messages to their loved ones. They'll be doing more fortune telling, I would call it, you know,
00:26:19.860 future predictions. When I became a medium, that was specific to mediumship reading. So people that
00:26:27.440 lost somebody in their life and they wanted to connect with them. So that was the shift there
00:26:34.700 for me. I still would include psychic information, future predictions, so on and so forth. And then I
00:26:42.180 actually began teaching. I began leading my own divination group and I absolutely loved it. I
00:26:48.500 absolutely loved it. And it's amazing. It's an amazing part of my testimony looking at what God has done
00:26:54.780 because I can never go back and say that I was a psychic who wanted to try on a new worldview.
00:27:02.040 I wasn't a psychic who wanted to try on Christianity, who wanted to check other things out. No, I was
00:27:08.140 perfectly content doing what I was doing until the age of 36. I was still content. But at the end of my
00:27:16.900 36th year, I actually came to a moment, Ali, of near destruction, a second of near destruction.
00:27:26.000 And I cried out on the name of Jesus Christ, which was a shocking to me as it is still to this day
00:27:31.720 saying it because why didn't I call out to my spirit guide or a deceased person? I cried on the name of
00:27:39.160 Jesus Christ. I explain it this way. Demonic oppression is a very real thing. It's a very
00:27:46.920 real thing. You mentioned possession earlier. There's possession and there's oppression. I probably
00:27:51.200 was very close to being possessed. I think of oppression this way. Imagine if somebody, if you
00:27:56.460 go under the water and you have somebody with their foot on your head trying to keep you down there
00:28:03.520 and they're all around you. And that was the moment that I came to. So that was a cry for help,
00:28:09.460 but not one that I contemplated, not one that I, I wrestled with, just cried out on the name of
00:28:16.480 Jesus Christ. And I know that was God. And what had happened? What was the moment of destruction?
00:28:21.340 It was that, that, um, it was that heaviness. It was that fear. So it was an internal thing. It wasn't
00:28:28.720 something externally that happened to you. Correct. You just felt the oppression like you were drowning
00:28:33.460 Yeah. And you felt this urge to call out to Christ. Wow. So you said you didn't contemplate
00:28:39.700 that. What happened from there? Well, that left me spiritually vulnerable, to be quite honest with
00:28:44.280 you, because I hadn't heard the gospel, which I just presented a couple of moments ago. I didn't
00:28:48.600 know I was a sinner that needed to be saved. I didn't know that Jesus went to the cross for me
00:28:54.600 and that he died and was buried. I didn't know any of that. I just knew that something had happened
00:29:00.840 and I knew that it was peaceful. And I also knew I didn't want to be as this happened the next day.
00:29:08.300 I didn't want to be a psychic anymore. And I did not know why I had no idea. I had no idea why. So
00:29:14.280 now of course, looking back, I see how God was moving. Yes. However, the enemy did not want to lose
00:29:20.220 his grip on me. That is abundantly clear to me. I was deceived again by false teaching. Books that I
00:29:29.340 started reading that were heretical and leading me once again, down the wrong road away from Christ.
00:29:36.960 I did stop doing the readings for a while, but then I did go back to them. Yet, I changed my
00:29:43.380 introduction. I would always give an introduction before the reading so that the client would
00:29:47.400 no, don't say anything. I'm going to be doing the speaking and just affirm if you understand
00:29:54.080 something. And instead I changed it to, listen, I'm not God. Wait, what? Where'd this come from?
00:30:02.460 Yeah. So the whole thing had changed. My introduction had changed and praise God, Jesus wasn't going to
00:30:07.160 let me go too far back down that road. It wasn't long after that, that I had gone back to the readings
00:30:13.140 that I ended up having a dinner date with a friend that I met in the divination group that I spoke
00:30:20.400 about. So we had become very close and we hadn't seen each other in a while. Little did I know she had
00:30:26.300 become saved from the last time that I had seen her to this time. And she came over for dinner and she
00:30:32.560 started talking to me about Jesus. And she invited me to the church that she had started attending.
00:30:38.200 Allie, I said, no. Wow. I declined that invitation. Were you offended at all? No. Was there anything
00:30:45.460 angry in you or you just were disinterested? I would say I, I pulled what a lot of people say to
00:30:52.700 me. Good for you. You do you. I'm happy for you. Whatever makes you happy, whatever road brings you
00:30:59.620 joy. And left it at that. And a month later, I woke up that Sunday and that same, that same
00:31:08.520 prompting, I want to go to church. I want to go to that church today, but I don't know why. Just like
00:31:15.460 when I wanted to stop doing the readings, but I didn't know why. The same prompting, prompting that,
00:31:20.880 that small voice just telling you, leading you led me to that church. And it was that day,
00:31:26.920 Allie, that I heard the gospel and I was singing this song with the congregation. I was so overwhelmed
00:31:33.360 by this church. I was used to only mass in the past, Catholic mass. And you were in Long Island.
00:31:37.740 Yes. And so I'm, I don't know how many, you know, solid churches are in Long Island, but I'm sure,
00:31:45.380 like you said, that was a little bit of a shock to you. Yeah, that was shocking. The whole scene was
00:31:50.700 shocking to me. Why do people have their hands up in the air? They're singing songs and what are they
00:31:54.980 doing? And I just started singing with them. And that lyric, when it came to Jesus saved me,
00:32:02.560 I sang it and I flashed back to that moment when I cried out to him months prior. And I knew it was
00:32:09.020 him, Allie. I knew that he was the one who showed up that day and set me free. I was a captive and he
00:32:15.360 set me free. Wow. Do it every time. And I started crying that day in that church of tears of joy,
00:32:22.880 tears of freedom. And when I left the church, 15 minute ride home, no contemplation, I got home
00:32:30.920 and I Google searched, what does the Bible say about psychic mediums? I was so convicted and it
00:32:38.420 just makes so much sense though, that the Lord, his agenda for my life would be to get me away from
00:32:45.140 that. Yeah. Because I knew that day that I was going to follow Christ. Wow. I knew it. And I quit
00:32:50.060 my job that day, almost 11 years ago. And at that point, that was how you were living. That's how you
00:32:57.540 were making your money. And so that's a huge leap of faith in itself, in addition to just believing in
00:33:04.520 Christ. So what did that look like? Yeah, that was huge. I'm glad you brought that up because I would
00:33:09.480 love to encourage people out there today that if you're on that cusp or you're thinking about
00:33:15.940 leaving the new age behind, don't be afraid. God is a good God. He is our provider and he will always
00:33:21.860 give what we need. Of course, I was on top of the world in that moment. And then, you know, a week
00:33:28.080 later, it's like, wait a minute, that was my job. What's going to happen now? So a little bit of that
00:33:32.360 concern. And I just entrusted it to the Lord and had a roof over my head and food in my stomach and
00:33:40.520 the Lord provided then and now. Wow. And now you're in full-time ministry and you focus on helping
00:33:47.100 people leave the new age and also just Christians understanding the lies of the new age, right?
00:33:51.380 Yes, absolutely. Because the enemy is at large and is current and active. And in the times that we live
00:34:00.900 in Ali, we see the psychics on TV, like you mentioned, of course, Teresa, which again,
00:34:07.360 we're praying for these psychics, we're praying for the mediums, but we're seeing the tension in the
00:34:12.280 world. We're seeing tension even in the microcosm of our life, personally speaking, what's going on in
00:34:18.860 your life, what's going on with your kids. And people will get tempted in their vulnerability and
00:34:23.640 their weakness for answers, for control, for certainty about the future, here and eternally.
00:34:32.160 And the enemy will make it look very alluring, very attractive and using social media to do so.
00:34:39.100 And my concern especially is for the children because he is targeting the children via
00:34:46.160 crystals manifesting, Instagram, TikTok. You could have a reading out, Ali.
00:34:51.480 Sage burning. Witch talk. Witch talk is huge. Meditating in schools. The smudging is in schools
00:34:59.920 too. What's smudging?
00:35:00.980 Is the sage burning. So believing that you could clean out your space.
00:35:04.840 Yeah. And that's all seen as neutral. It's all seen as like helping a child build their social,
00:35:10.920 emotional learning capacity, helping them build their empathy. That's a big word that's kind of used.
00:35:17.840 And the difference between meditating, you know, biblically and meditating in the new age is that
00:35:23.480 biblically you're meditating on truth, on the word of God. You're dwelling on what scripture says.
00:35:29.560 But in, correct me if I'm wrong, but in the new age meditation, you are emptying, right? You're
00:35:34.860 emptying your mind, which really can just make you vulnerable to demonic attacks, right?
00:35:39.840 One hundred percent. That's exactly what it does. Those entities, you are inviting them in. Trust me,
00:35:45.200 when you are, when a part of you is quiet, when a part of you is empty. I used to practice that
00:35:51.720 before my readings. It was a part of my ritual in order to channel more effectively.
00:35:57.820 Right.
00:35:57.940 When we think of the new age and everything that you've just described, I think a lot of people
00:36:05.860 think of it as more of these progressive, hippie, feminist, witchy women. But we don't think of it
00:36:13.060 in the context of what are typically called prophecies today. But we see that a lot, I would say,
00:36:20.720 on the more, I don't know if we're just talking politics, like conservative end of the spectrum.
00:36:24.800 It seems like since Trump came to office, there's a lot of people who claim to have special knowledge
00:36:30.100 of the United States and of Trump. And I see a lot of, and during COVID too, like you mentioned,
00:36:36.060 when people are in these emotionally vulnerable times, in turbulent times, they're turning to
00:36:41.740 not just mediums, but these people who say that they're a prophet from God. But so far,
00:36:46.840 all these prophecies that I've seen, all these prophets, they're never 100% right,
00:36:51.560 or they'll get one prophecy right and one completely wrong, or the prophecy will be half
00:36:58.280 right. And you have people who call themselves Christians really eating this up and saying,
00:37:03.080 no, that's true. That person is a messenger from God. They're telling us what we need to know about
00:37:07.820 Trump or the future of America. How do we discern the difference between the true prophecy and then
00:37:14.220 what is really a kind of, you know, psychic reading that is using the facade of prophecy to try to make
00:37:22.860 it seem Christian?
00:37:24.220 It's great that you brought it up because of course, we know that the enemy is a counterfeit. So
00:37:28.720 psychic communication is already the counterfeit of prophecy, which is declaring God's word.
00:37:34.580 You hit the nail on the head. If someone is claiming to be a prophet and they get any part of it wrong,
00:37:39.580 or they get any of their other prophecies incorrect, they are clearly a false prophet.
00:37:45.300 They are not hearing from God. And God is extremely clear about this in his word.
00:37:51.580 When you hear from God, do you think God needs help? Do you think that God will confuse a situation?
00:37:57.780 If he's going to speak to you, you're going to hear it clearly and authoritatively,
00:38:01.280 and you'll speak it and it will be true 100% of the time and come to pass. We are told to test the
00:38:08.800 spirits in 1 John 4.1. The Lord has put this in place, testing the spirits, of course, because there
00:38:14.560 would be demons providing information. So we need to test everything by the word of God. And I think
00:38:22.380 that goes back again, Allie, why are we not just trusting in the Lord? Why are we looking for these
00:38:26.580 prophets? Why are we looking for this extra information? And then it turns people away
00:38:32.420 again from our victory in Christ, our comfort in Christ, knowing that we know the one who knows
00:38:40.100 all things. Yes, it is. It can be anxiety provoking, looking at what's happening in our country,
00:38:47.900 looking at the way the enemy has a grip on so many people. But in Christ, we have what
00:38:55.840 is all that we need. We have heaven that awaits us. And the Lord encourages us to keep our eyes
00:39:03.320 on things of above and to remember that our citizenship is not here. All of this is going
00:39:09.280 to pass away, but our citizenship is in heaven. This is just a stop, a layover. This is a layover
00:39:17.280 and our home is in heaven. But why again, are we not trusting in the Lord? We don't need to go to man.
00:39:23.040 And I'm not saying that the Lord couldn't raise up a prophet. He can do whatever he wants to do.
00:39:27.620 But when you start putting your faith and hope and peace in people calling themselves prophets,
00:39:37.100 and you're just letting it go, you are getting into a very dangerous place of psychic communication.
00:39:45.260 And you can be a Christian and certainly attacked or oppressed by the evil one. So you can be a
00:39:51.840 Christian and get a psychic attack. And then you're just going to claim it's a prophecy.
00:39:56.140 Yeah.
00:39:56.360 So why would I want to go listen to you when I know that that could happen?
00:40:01.320 Yeah.
00:40:01.740 That the enemy could even trick the elect.
00:40:05.680 And as you said, Satan always uses a little bit of truth. When you thought that you were meeting that
00:40:12.400 young man through your dream, and that person was real, that young person named Michael was real,
00:40:17.820 you knew how he had died and all of that. Some people think, well, if this thing is true,
00:40:23.120 it must be a special gift from the Lord, or it must be a special gift from the other side. But
00:40:28.560 you know, when Satan was tempting Jesus in the wilderness, he used scripture, he used Bible verses
00:40:34.580 to tempt Jesus. And kind of the same temptation that he tempted Eve with, that he tempts us with today,
00:40:42.400 he tempted Jesus with escape from pain, escape from suffering authority, as if Satan has the
00:40:49.780 authority to give Jesus authority. But that's, you know, you can have everything and you can escape
00:40:55.340 all of the trouble ahead of you. That's basically what we are seeking through psychic readings. We
00:41:00.380 are seeking comfort. We are seeking understanding, solace, supernatural knowledge. But scripture tells us
00:41:06.080 that we have one mediator between God and man, and that is Jesus. And that's beautiful because we read
00:41:12.020 in John 1 that Jesus was full of grace and truth, full of grace and truth. And we read in 1 John 4,
00:41:18.360 8 that God is love. Isn't that beautiful? That when you have that closed connection, it's a closed
00:41:24.600 connection, God, Jesus, man, you can trust that every single stop in that connection is fully true,
00:41:31.420 fully loving, fully gracious, fully light. And it's not, you know, it's not Satan disguising himself
00:41:40.820 as an angel of light, which really reminds me of that phrase that we hear a lot in new age circles,
00:41:46.120 love and light, love and light, love and light. Well, isn't that just, you know, them trying to be God
00:41:51.260 who is love, who is light. What is meant like when we hear that in new age circles, love and light?
00:41:56.460 It goes back to energy. It goes back to positivity. I'm just going to send you some love. I'm just
00:42:03.420 going to send you some light. And I'm just, you know, positive and all that type of, and it's,
00:42:09.600 it's just the false, you described it perfectly, is the false love and the false light. The true love
00:42:15.700 would be sharing the gospel with somebody, pointing people to Christ and not to enable their sin
00:42:23.440 or support their sin. You know, love is love. You know, the world is plagued by the slogans of the
00:42:31.700 evil one. That's what that is. Love and light. That's what I call it. It's a slogan of the devil.
00:42:35.520 That's what it is. Yes. Wow. We got to close out soon. So I'm going to end on a controversial
00:42:42.640 question. Yoga. Is it fine for Christians to say, do yoga positions? Maybe they're doing it to
00:42:51.680 worship music and they're not thinking about yoking themselves to a Hindu God. Is that fine? Or is it
00:42:59.380 still opening yourself up to the demonic? I'm going to say this with all the love in my heart so that
00:43:06.220 people would not be led astray. No, you cannot do yoga. Don't do yoga. I mean, you could do whatever
00:43:14.660 you want, but I would encourage you to stay away from yoga because those postures are deliberately
00:43:20.100 worshiping Hindu deities, false gods. It's idolatrous. It's horrible. It's demonic. And
00:43:28.920 you cannot throw some praise music on and make it something that it isn't. You cannot do that.
00:43:36.860 That would be, I love how Doreen says, that would be like putting a scripture verse on a
00:43:40.380 Ouija board. You can't do that. You're not tricking anybody. It's still the postures. You're still
00:43:46.280 doing them. They are worshiping and honoring Hindu deities. It is, I really would encourage people
00:43:54.040 to stay away from it. It's not just stretching and breathing. Remember, that's the illusion. There
00:43:58.440 has to be something that the devil makes it look like something that it's not so that you would get
00:44:05.320 involved with it, bringing demonic oppression into your life, leading you into disobedience to God,
00:44:11.420 because even if you don't know, you're still doing it. Yeah. And that's dangerous for you
00:44:16.140 spiritually. Yes. And I just think about parents too. You mentioned like all the things that are
00:44:22.180 targeting children. Satan has always had it out for children. They're so physically and mentally
00:44:25.960 vulnerable. And I think about all these things that are seen as innocent, even for kids at school,
00:44:32.420 things like yoga, things like emptying your mind through meditation, energy, vibrations,
00:44:38.420 witch talk, and even the movies and the shows and the books. Like I think about the books that I read
00:44:45.600 as a teenager and my parents didn't really know. I think they were happy that I was reading and I did
00:44:49.920 read a lot, but I read a lot of Twilight. I read a lot of witchcraft books, a lot of supernatural books.
00:44:56.280 And I'm not saying all fantasy and fiction is bad. C.S. Lewis, you know, has its own fantasy. Lord of
00:45:01.320 the Rings has its own fantasy. But I do think, I mean, I just remember being so feeling emotionally
00:45:08.620 oppressed when I was reading something like Twilight. I actually, and this is too much of a
00:45:12.840 conversation for us to get too far into, but I'm just thinking about all the different ways that this
00:45:17.060 can show up, especially for kids. Like I remember reading the second Twilight book as soon as it came
00:45:21.700 out. That's how old I am. And I was literally depressed, depressed for like days and days.
00:45:31.720 And I just, and some of that's just emotional hormonal, but I just think about the power that
00:45:36.400 those kind of supernatural, dark witchcraft stories have over impressionable teen girls.
00:45:43.460 And I really think it can have a foothold in their lives spiritually. And who knows,
00:45:49.600 could lead them down a path like toward mediums and things like that. But it certainly is inhibiting
00:45:55.060 a close relationship with Christ. Don't you think?
00:45:57.880 Absolutely. A hundred percent. And I'm, I'm thinking while you're talking also of the music
00:46:02.260 industry, I don't, I know that would be another long conversation. Swift, Taylor.
00:46:08.700 What do you think about that? Let's just end on something super controversial. Let's go.
00:46:12.180 I know you like the controversial stuff, Allie.
00:46:14.160 Well, people want to know this kind of stuff. It's only controversial because these things are popular
00:46:18.080 and what is popular has to be spoken into. So go for it.
00:46:20.620 Yes. Okay. I'm happy to actually speak about it. I'm very passionate on this topic. And of course,
00:46:25.180 we're seeing it not only with Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Madonna is such a repeat offender,
00:46:31.080 Lady Gaga, but Taylor Swift presents as this Christian looking, innocent girl years ago. And then
00:46:39.900 you see the darkness boldly, blatantly when people are already Swifties. They're already hooked.
00:46:47.160 This is not, this is, this is, what's the word I want to use? This is, oh, Allie, I'm thinking of
00:46:55.260 how this is mapped out. This is planned out. This is not a surprise. Strategic. Strategic. This is
00:47:00.460 strategic, I believe on behalf of the enemy to rope people in. And then it's like, now I'm going to hit
00:47:07.300 you with my agendas because you're already a cult follower, C-U-L-T. And her music boldly promotes
00:47:19.520 new age ideologies and concepts, karma, the invisible string theory. They are.
00:47:27.560 I don't even know what that is.
00:47:28.680 Oh, okay. So the idea is that there's an invisible string. You already had me at that part, right? So
00:47:35.460 there's an invisible string wrapped around your thumb, your pinky, whatever. And there's one
00:47:40.100 wrapped around somebody else's thumb or pinky that you've crossed paths with at some point in your
00:47:46.220 life. And because of that, okay, you are really met. Maybe that's your, here we go, shift into another
00:47:54.380 new age. Cause that's how the new age works. One equals another one equals another twin flame
00:47:59.280 soulmate. That must be your soulmate or your twin flame. It doesn't matter if you're married.
00:48:04.260 That's okay. You don't want to let this chance pass you by. You want to go for this invisible
00:48:09.360 string. We crossed paths. We met at the grocery store seven years ago. And again, at the seven 11.
00:48:16.940 Wow. This must be, I mean, I'm really kind of understating it, but the idea is that once
00:48:24.260 again, that you have this energetic soulmate twin flame, which are all, uh, lies and doctrines of
00:48:34.860 demons. And she pushes these all out in, in her music. And then what happens? Then you have it go
00:48:39.980 viral on Tik TOK and you have people making these videos. They had a whole twin flame, uh, docu documentary
00:48:46.900 on Netflix. It was, it was difficult. I couldn't really get through it. It was so difficult to watch.
00:48:51.660 It was sad and sickening, but back to Taylor, who really is a serial dater and then is telling us
00:48:57.860 about these relationships and dropping demonic symbols. I'm sorry. I'm going to say it at the
00:49:03.980 Superbowl with, well, I shouldn't say that she did it. I'm sorry. Her friend, her friend did it.
00:49:08.100 Forgive me. Yeah. However, we are seeing her, uh, doing witchcraft on the stage and people have a way
00:49:15.280 of justifying it and making excuses for it. That's just choreography. Um, just like we're seeing at the
00:49:20.880 Olympics, what they did at the Olympics, the open, I know that's another, we go from one
00:49:24.660 controversial thing to the next, but, uh, yeah. But the point is that we're seeing it in pop culture
00:49:29.180 and it is always presented. It seems like it's something that is beautiful and innocuous.
00:49:34.880 And she is, you know, Taylor Swift is, is beautiful. She is beautiful. And she has a lot of really good
00:49:40.700 songs, a lot of very catchy songs. And her brand, I think is very palatable for the mainstream
00:49:46.960 because she's this bright, cheery blonde woman who used to be a country star. And, um, but you're
00:49:53.760 right. There's certainly a God of self worship there, not just in her music and really a lot
00:49:59.340 of pop music today. Um, but I hadn't thought about or heard about this twin flame thing and the
00:50:06.060 invisible string. So that's really interesting. So the point is be on the lookout. Don't be paranoid.
00:50:12.460 It's not like, cause I do think that there's a tendency sometimes for people to try to look for
00:50:17.940 symbols in everything. And that can almost make you, it can almost drive you crazy. And it can also
00:50:25.760 prohibit you from seeing, okay, well, how is Satan tempting you in your own life? Like where's the sin
00:50:31.280 in your own life? Because we can kind of only be looking for the symbols out there and not looking for
00:50:36.960 the more subtle ways that Satan is tempting us, working in our lives, oppressing us with different
00:50:43.260 fears. And so there is a balance there, wouldn't you say?
00:50:46.760 Absolutely. A hundred percent. I am thinking of the children again and how these people become,
00:50:52.280 they become role models. And then if a Christian is so, um, involved with, let's say, I'm just going to,
00:51:01.480 again, just for the sake of the example of Taylor Swift, let's say, cause I happen to know some
00:51:04.740 Christian ladies that are calling themselves Swifties, letting their young girls listen.
00:51:10.880 And when she promotes, I hate to belabor the point, but when she, when she promotes anti-Christian,
00:51:16.200 I mean, bold, again, I'm with you, Allie. I think that you, you can listen to, I'm, I listen to
00:51:22.040 secular music, you know, I, I do from time to time. Uh, but I would be very discerning and very
00:51:27.860 careful when you have, I mean, they need to calm down was all about Christians and the video
00:51:33.720 having, um, sexual immorality in it, feeding this false Jesus communion. And it's just very sad and
00:51:41.760 painting Christians as hillbillies that don't know how to spell. I think that you have to, I think when
00:51:47.000 it's so in your face, I would, I would steer clear of that. But yes, I agree with you. Of course, we
00:51:52.840 should be looking in the mirror. We should be coming to Christ every day, repenting for our sins.
00:51:58.100 We should be confessing and asking the Lord to show us the parts of our hearts that need to grow,
00:52:05.200 that need to be corrected. Yes. And amen. Where can people find you to follow you, learn more about
00:52:11.500 your ministry and just hear more from you if they want to? Yeah. My website would be the best place
00:52:17.140 to go www.expsychicsaved.com. That's it. Expsychicsaved.com. Yeah. My new book is going
00:52:25.720 to be coming out soon. Yeah, win. I'm excited. Within the next couple of months, I just finally
00:52:29.960 got a title for it. Okay. Awesome. Okay. So people can be on the lookout for that. They can check your
00:52:35.440 website for that. That's wonderful. That's going to bless so many people. Thank you so much, Jen.
00:52:40.100 Thanks for having the courage to share your testimony and praise God for everything that you're talking
00:52:44.480 about. I really appreciate you. Thank you, Allie. I appreciate you too. God bless you.