00:00:00.000The history of the abortion movement in the United States is so complex and interwoven that it sounds like a conspiracy.
00:00:10.140You might know the name Margaret Sanger, but do you know Francis Galton? Do you know Thomas Malthus? Do you know how the Rockefellers and Warren Buffett and the Gates and so many others have played a role in the rise to prominence of Planned Parenthood and the pervasiveness of the abortion movement?
00:00:33.080Do you know the parallels between the abortion movement in the United States and the Third Reich in Germany? Do you know that this goes back hundreds and hundreds of years and the legacy lives on today through Planned Parenthood and all of the politicians and all of the activists that prop it up?
00:00:53.040Today I am talking to Seth Gruber. He is the founder of the White Rose Resistance, an incredible pro-life organization. He also wrote the book The 1916 Project. That is also the name of his new documentary.
00:01:05.640And today, after we talk about his story, we are, I think, in an incredibly fascinating way going to listen to him map out the history of the abortion movement, its philosophical and theological roots, how it has manifested itself over the past 100 years, where the ideas have come from, where the money comes from.
00:01:27.480Guys, you have to listen to, I'm not exaggerating, every single second of this conversation until this podcast episode stops. It is chock full every minute of so much. You will be hard-pressed to find someone more articulate than Seth Gruber, with better recall than Seth Gruber when it comes to abortion and when it comes to just wrapping our minds around the evil that it is.
00:01:55.920And before we get into the conversation, I want to play you a short clip of the documentary that we'll be talking about in the last half of this interview.
00:02:06.240We're going to expose and discover who the real Margaret Sanger was and how her attack and assault against the family in America explains our current culture of death and upside-down world that we're living in today.
00:02:18.840This is where it all started. It was here that Sanger opened up her first unlicensed, illegal birth control clinic in 1916.
00:02:29.840Study the past, not just to understand what happened then, but to understand what's happening now.
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00:03:29.420Yeah, I was raised in the pro-life movement. My mother was actually waddling around a pregnancy center that she was the executive director for in 1991, pregnant with me, saving babies and loving on moms.
00:03:44.160In fact, she would often babysit the toddlers whose lives she helped saved as fetuses because the degenerate deadbeat boyfriend still wasn't in the picture.
00:03:52.860And so she'd give the mom some time to go shop or get her hair done. So that was part of our heritage and legacy from from very early stage.
00:04:00.020We even like housed a young boy my age because the mom was having a hard time. And that was another baby that my mom had helped save.
00:04:08.620And so this is part of our heritage as a family homeschooled Los Angeles County. And then in high school, I went to public high school. I saw aborted baby mutilated baby parts in the first trimester at a pro-life group that I was volunteering for.
00:04:25.120And I was a homeschooled Christian kid with a mom who had led a pregnancy center. And yet I had never seen the pieces of children from an abortion. And this was all first trimester.
00:04:36.840And so that that was probably one of the biggest turning points of my life, having to look at eyeballs and ears and noses of children at eight weeks, nine weeks gestation.
00:04:49.100Was your dad involved at all at the like within the pro-life movement?
00:04:53.700No, but he was just a provider and worked his butt off and help homeschool. And we would take family road trips together and do California history trip learning and all this cool stuff as a family.
00:05:03.840Yeah. And then I went off to a Christian college in Santa Barbara. Well, I thought it was a good Christian college. It's called Westmont. It's a stone's throw from Oprah's house.
00:05:13.080And I held aborted baby photo signs on campus my junior year in 2012 because the university not only doesn't take a position on whether you should slaughter babies in the name of radical feminism or not, but they also have pro-abortion faculty professors on the payroll.
00:05:32.380Wow. And I started the first pro-life club there. So I had discovered the pro-abortion professors. I got in email debates with them. I'll put it in probably my next book sometime. And I was like, geez, Louise.
00:05:41.500And that's when I learned the problem is not necessarily evil men out there who do evil things. It's good people who know better and don't do anything about it or actually syncretize their faith with a little paganism.
00:05:50.980And now I have tried to speak on campus three times at my alma mater and the administration has stepped in and stopped it.
00:05:59.420Wow. At the Christian University. My goodness.
00:06:03.720Yeah. I've actually recently hosted me at the Reagan Ranch Center in downtown Santa Barbara, the very event that should have been at my alma mater.
00:06:11.140So that's sort of my background. And then we launched the White Rose Resistance right after the overturning of Roe and God's blessed it.
00:06:19.580And we're the probably the fastest growing pro-life organization in the country now.
00:06:24.320After college, you said that you were involved in the pro-life movement through college.
00:06:29.040What happened after college and until the White Rose Resistance?
00:06:34.520Yeah. I graduated 2014 and I had already been volunteering with pro-life groups. I had been starting to give talks in youth groups and like Protestant Catholic high schools, men's Bible studies. Like I was just I was just itching to speak anywhere that would give me an opportunity or a platform.
00:06:54.340And when I graduated, I joined a small nonprofit pro-life group where I raised my own support and I went into faith based high schools and I did their chapels and I would hang out in classroom and do apologetics and answer questions and help young people defend their pro-life beliefs.
00:07:08.320So I did that until 2020. And then Pastor Jack Hibbs invited me to preach one morning, all three services while he was defying Newsom.
00:07:19.740And people were driving two, three hours to come to Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills in Southern California.
00:07:27.940And it's like 13,000 people coming through there on a Sunday. And at that point, Ali, the biggest stage I'd ever spoken on was like 200, 300 people.
00:07:35.020And I was 29 years old and now I'm at my earthly heroes church, Pastor Jack Hibbs.
00:07:40.100And so that's when everything changed for me.
00:07:41.980And then I pivoted more into pulpits and God opened up all these opportunities.
00:07:45.980I've probably spoken in more pulpits on the issue of life on Sunday mornings than anyone in the world.
00:08:19.120Was there ever a moment when you were speaking, because gosh, you're just so naturally gifted and it's so obvious that the passion is there.
00:08:26.740Was there ever a moment that you felt like, yep, this is what God is calling me to do forever?
00:08:44.340Yeah, well, at least back then, you know, you and I, Ali, we were sort of that last generation that might have sneaked by with a semblance of normalcy in the culture.
00:08:55.340And maybe even a Democrat and a Republican saying, you're my friend.
00:10:24.460And it was from that point at 18 years old staring at the emaciated bodies of little first trimester babies for two days straight, six hour shifts on a high quality scanner and categorizing them in this organization's database that I knew that this was going to be my life's calling.
00:10:40.740And then I started speaking at 19 and always knew that I was called to speak.
00:10:45.480Yeah. You know, I've never told this story, but you're talking about abortion imagery.
00:10:49.900And one time we were out and about with our whole family and there was it was actually like a pro-life drawing, but it was showing the the barbarity of abortion.
00:11:01.740And it was like depicting a fetus that was dismembered and it was red and it was very gory.
00:11:10.860And I don't remember what it said on there, but it was clear to me that it was talking about ending abortion and just showing how demonic and how violent abortion is.
00:11:19.040And my five-year-old saw it and immediately broke down and was so disturbed by it.
00:11:26.020And I, you know, I didn't, she's, you know, so young.
00:11:28.840I didn't really want her to be looking at this and thinking about this, but she couldn't stop asking me about it.
00:11:34.980She just kept on asking questions over and over again.
00:11:37.860And I'm not faulting that pro-life organization for doing that.
00:11:41.380My point is that that is how all of our hearts should be.
00:11:45.420Like when Jesus says, have faith like a child, it's that, it's that softness, it's that vulnerability, it's that innate knowledge that, wait, babies aren't supposed to be hurt.
00:11:55.520Babies aren't supposed to be torn apart.
00:11:57.060Babies aren't supposed to have blood on them like that.
00:11:59.960And it just reminded me that like, may I never, even as a pro-lifer, get used to that.
00:12:15.820I used to use this in my talks years ago and it's, I haven't told the story in a while, but very briefly, this is in the South and during, well, after slavery's ended, but this is still a horrible time.
00:12:30.600And this young boy, Emmett, was visiting his family in Honey, Mississippi.
00:12:36.760And according to reports, he kind of catcalled the clerk at a grocery store, you know, or something like that.
00:12:46.460And his friends had dared him to go talk to and flirt with this because he said, I have a white girlfriend.
00:12:53.340And anyways, a couple of days later, the husband of that woman and his friends drug Emmett Till out of his aunt or uncle's home, dragged him through the street with a car, threw twine around his neck, beat the living pulp out of him and threw him into the Mississippi River.
00:13:14.480They found his body days later and they didn't know who they had found.
00:13:18.620His face looked like a deflated football.
00:13:21.080And his mother shocked the world when she requested an open casket.
00:13:31.320And that photo of Emmett Till's brutalized and emaciated body was published in newspapers all around America.
00:13:43.560And America was forced to look at what they were supporting or tolerating and making peace with.
00:13:48.620People told her, you know, this is disrespectful to your little boy.
00:13:54.580We hear that from some, I think, good-hearted pro-lifers even today who oppose the use of abortion imagery because they say this is disrespectful to the aborted children.
00:14:06.680Her response to those people was, I want the world to see what they did to my little boy.
00:14:12.080To this day, Ali, historians believe that more than Rosa Parks' actions, it was actually the published photo of Emmett Till's brutalized body that was the spark to the civil rights movement.
00:14:27.240And so we need to open up the casket on abortion today.
00:14:29.760And America needs to begin looking at the faces that represent 70 million aborted babies since 1970 in America.
00:14:40.000The sad thing is, is that it's even professing Christians.
00:14:43.820It's even people within the church who say, well, that's just too harsh.
00:15:17.500And so I have some grace for Trump because I think he's a byproduct of a 60, 70-year-long, apathetic, compromised, weak church who, if she, the bride of Christ, had been contending culturally and politically with as much zeal – no, no, no – half as much zeal as the radical left has done for nearly a century, we wouldn't have had an individual like Trump anyways.
00:15:47.500But like this capitulation on marriage and the unborn is what got us into this place in the culture in the first place.
00:15:55.660And now through Trump's influence on the GOP, they've completely walked away from their commitment to federal protections for the unborn from the moment of conception.
00:16:03.640They've compromised on IVF and now they've compromised on kind of the historic – well, actually the only true definition of marriage.
00:16:09.220I mean these are the issues that got us into this position.
00:16:11.100And so, yeah, I mean the cowardice in the church is now being kind of just mirrored in the only political party that could give us a viable opportunity to protect the unborn in the first place.
00:16:19.180But I think of this line from C.S. Lewis, he said a long time ago, and I think that this is why Megan Basham's work is so important, exposing big Eva, big evangelicalism.
00:16:30.180Because these are the people whose leadership, writing, preaching, and books have created such an impotent church.
00:16:37.820And C.S. Lewis once said – describing himself and his friends, it's fascinating.
00:16:41.800He said, we simply found ourselves in contact with a certain current of ideas and we plunged into it because it seemed modern and successful.
00:16:49.300You know, we started automatically writing the kind of essays that got good marks and saying the kinds of things that won applause.
00:16:55.980We were afraid of a breach with the spirit of the age, afraid of ridicule.
00:17:00.580Having allowed ourselves to drift, unresisting, accepting every half-conscious solicitation from our desires, we reached a point where we no longer believed the faith.
00:17:10.220He talked about, like, the desire to be in the inner circle is very good at making a man who is not yet a very bad man do very bad things.
00:17:19.720We're going to be persecuted the next few years in the church and in the culture, getting very dark.
00:17:24.280You talk about these things more than most people.
00:17:26.500Throwing pro-life sidewalk counselors in prison.
00:17:32.120If a Fauci, follow-the-science, public health scientist, determines that the parents, through their non-gender-affirming attitudes or a mental health risk to their child, I mean, things are getting very, very, very, very, very dark.
00:17:43.180And we're going to need believers filled with the spirit who are excited for the fight ahead, who are ready to slay dragons, and who are ready to be obedient and let the chips fall where they may and leave the results to God.
00:17:57.960So, I mean, your question, we could spend the next hour trying to answer.
00:18:00.940But I think that's the beginning of an answer.
00:18:04.080And we've actually been missing out on the greatest adventure by trying to be like Lot in Genesis and get attaboys and cheers from the Sodomites so we can be invited to all the right parties.
00:18:14.600We have inevitably stepped aside and allowed the mob to have their way with the next generation.
00:18:23.900And I think the spirit of Lot in the American church is probably more responsible for bringing us to this current moment.
00:19:31.180Not really truly pro-life when it comes to that agenda.
00:19:34.340As you said, the GOP took out strong pro-life language from their platform.
00:19:40.740So do we just keep voting for Republicans until we get to the point to where we're just saying, well, at least it's not 40 weeks that they're for.
00:19:51.040Like, is it good enough for them to just be a little bit to the right of liberals?
00:19:57.080Are we rewarding them by continuing to vote for them?
00:19:59.940Or is it just the only option we have?
00:20:02.520Yeah, we are in this position because we've abdicated for so long.
00:20:09.860And at some point, believers and conservatives are going to have to be willing to put a line in the sand.
00:20:16.480G.K. Chesterton had this great line from 100 years ago in the Illustrated London News.
00:20:21.140He said, the business of progressives is to keep on making mistakes.
00:20:24.700The business of conservatives is to prevent the mistakes being corrected.
00:20:28.200And unfortunately, we kind of continue to see that today.
00:20:32.260It's almost like the conservative movement as we know it today just imbibes whatever the radical ideas were of Democrats 10 years later.
00:20:44.160And so now, you know, conservative Republicans today look like Democrats 10 years ago.
00:20:50.700At some point, we're going to have to be as unyielding in our principles as the left has always been.
00:20:58.040You and I know that a moderate pro-choice Democrat would never even get the time of day anywhere close to the White House, even if they supported first trimester abortions.
00:21:09.440But maybe not second and third trimester, they would never – the Democrat base that they rely on to get elected would not vote for them.
00:21:38.820And it was really George Floyd and all that.
00:21:41.360And I saw Christians and professing Christians mimicking this social, racial, justice, BLM nonsense that has no founding in Scripture when it comes to the definition of biblical justice.
00:21:53.780And I really saw that it was mostly evangelical women, these, I would say, even white evangelical women who are parodying these talking points.
00:22:04.680And I've seen a lot of that group, although many of them kind of came to their senses and realized, okay, yeah, that's probably not okay.
00:23:00.580And it's been progressives who call themselves Christians and act full-blown anti-God, atheist, materialist progressives who have seeked to influence people like David Platt, Matt Chandler, Russell Moore, Lecrae, Jackie Hill Perry, T.D. Jakes.
00:23:19.380To celebrate their cheerleading of this new definition of pro-life because it allows the progressives to sneak in their progressive priorities and masquerade it with the term that they know they can use to get Christians on board with the social justice train.
00:23:37.460What are the two ways that progressives know that they can influence believers and win the hearts and minds of Christians who are not like Chesterton?
00:24:12.500And so they sneak in all of this crap, Allie.
00:24:14.680And so what they've done is they've redefined pro-life from the protection of life in the womb to the allegedly quality of life outside the womb.
00:24:24.280So rather than saying let's not slaughter children in the womb, it's, well, you know, you got to grant mass amnesty because those are image bearers.
00:24:36.300And so they've completely redefined what pro-life means.
00:24:39.900And this has even been pushed by people like Russell Moore, who used to be at the ERLC, which is a political arm of the largest Protestant denomination in the country, the Southern Baptists.
00:24:48.120And now he's the editor-in-chief of Christianity Today, for goodness sake, Billy Graham's flagship Christian publication.
00:24:53.800A lot of these people, including Lecrae and others, and Phil Vischer, Mr. Bob Potato, VeggieTales creator, have done a lot to influence believers to accept this new redefinition of pro-life.
00:25:04.760And so he who fights everywhere fights nowhere.
00:25:07.160So if now to be pro-life means that I've got to do all this other stuff that allegedly improves quality of life outside the womb, then how the heck am I supposed to ever end the killing of babies in the womb and secure protection of life in the womb?
00:25:23.340So it's very important for us to be clear and push back on what pro-life actually means.
00:25:27.400And so I have lost a lot of friends, and I've watched a lot of people capitulate over the last few years because they've accepted this new redefinition.
00:25:37.340And so then you get articles in The Gospel Coalition by Thabiti Anawali, or whatever African name he changed for himself a decade ago, where he says, evangelical pastors, please tell us to vote for Hillary.
00:25:47.220That was the name of an article at The Gospel Coalition, which is Tim Keller's brainchild.
00:25:53.440And I've watched people I know or people that I used to respect from afar say, well, I've got to vote for Hillary or I've got to vote for Biden because they have a more comprehensive ethic of life, womb to tomb kind of stuff.
00:26:06.140I mean, this is why clear moral teaching from the pulpit is so dang important.
00:26:10.480I think most of the issues we're facing in America today, Allie, result from a lack of moral teaching from the pulpit.
00:26:17.280There's this incredible story that Megan Basham tells in her new book, Shepherds for Sale, how evangelical ministers traded the truth for a leftist agenda.
00:26:25.800And it's about Kristen, what was her name?
00:26:29.400She went to Tim Keller's church, right?
00:26:32.600Who's with CNN or something like that, one of the left wing.
00:26:35.860But she used to attend Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York City.
00:26:38.880And a couple of years ago, after she completely walked away from Christ and no longer even claims to be a Christian, she wrote this thing.
00:26:46.820I just retweeted on my Twitter because I was like, this is crazy to read.
00:26:49.580And she said, for the years that I was there under Pastor Tim Keller's preaching, I never heard anything about what he believed or his denomination believed about male headship, about marriage, about gender and sexuality, or about abortion.
00:27:03.820I mean, she was in a Kathy Keller Bible study, I think.
00:27:06.260And she said, I never even heard any of this stuff.
00:28:49.680But then someone responded to him on social media and said, no, you are okay with tokenism as long as it's narrow enough that you might escape being criticized of tokenism.
00:28:59.160Obviously, what he's saying is, is like from a one to ten in terms of how qualified you are for a job, he'd rather have a less qualified black person than a slightly more qualified white person.
00:29:07.620Because critical race theory and Frankfurt School and all this trash.
00:29:10.700Yeah, you know, this issue of pastors not willing to say the thing out loud, whether it's about abortion, whether it's about gender, whether it's about marriage, which some people think is just like a foregone battle.
00:29:23.360It's like the idea is that, well, if I just preach the Bible, which, of course, that is the primary job of a pastor, then people will piece it together on their own.
00:29:36.860Put it together and the Holy Spirit will work in their heart.
00:29:39.700But I'm like, okay, but there's a reason, pastor, why your congregants listen to me and they want to know, okay, yeah, that's what the Bible says.
00:29:51.040And I would love to have my job be obsolete because every single person's pastor is telling them exactly what the word of God says about these issues.
00:29:59.680Not that they have to get in the pulpit and talk about the news of the week every week.
00:30:03.260I'm not saying that, but what it seems like you're saying is that these are Genesis 1 issues.
00:30:09.420And if you're not preaching about abortion, if you're not preaching about gender and marriage, it's not that you're not wading into politics.
00:30:14.740You're actually not preaching scripture, which is your job.
00:30:55.060He said to his congregation after George Floyd and the shutdowns, he got up on the pulpit on a Sunday morning and he said, I need to repent and apologize to you.
00:31:06.240And he wasn't woke, but he was just silent on these issues.
00:31:12.880And I didn't realize that while we were preaching the gospel, the left, the religion of humanism has been encroaching into my territory as a pastor.
00:31:25.100He said, when you're talking about marriage, you're talking about the family, you're talking about parental rights, you're talking about the unborn, that's my territory as a pastor.
00:31:33.960We've allowed them to take over our territory and in tears.
00:31:38.480He repented to his entire congregation for failing them and not addressing these issues.
00:31:43.500And it was this incredibly powerful moment that I think we need more of in the church for pastors to realize.
00:31:49.700I think there needs to be some serious repentance that you thought that you were being apolitical.
00:32:15.140These are gospel, these are biblical issues.
00:32:18.620And so we've allowed the other side to define the terms of engagement, actually, Allie.
00:32:24.320So they know that if they can label whatever their new, kooky, humanistic, materialist, occultic, Gnostic agenda is as just the politics, right?
00:32:38.620Or just the science, they can keep politically impotent pastors silent, whether that's because they fear losing their 501c3 status, or they don't want to stop being invited onto MSNBC or CNN as the Russell Moore phone a Christian representative to represent evangelicalism.
00:32:57.540Whatever the reason is, maybe they fear losing the ties of many of the people in their church who they know lean left, which is a result of your actually failure as a pastor in the first place.
00:33:06.420Whatever the reason is, we've allowed the other side to define the terms of engagement, and we have to actually take back territory.
00:33:13.500So that's why at the White Rose Resistance, with the film we're doing, we're actually now launching these resistance chapters all around the country.
00:33:19.040So we've launched in Boise, we're launching in Southern California with Pastor Jack Kibbs and a ton of Southern California churches in August, in Fort Worth in October, and in Florida, probably in September, and in Memphis.
00:33:30.400And now we have people wanting to launch in Virginia, in New York City, in Nevada, in Arizona.
00:33:39.360This is just believers of all ages, because the number one response I get at churches, Allie, is, Seth, what can I do?
00:33:45.300And I think we're finally now in this season where maybe there's enough of an awakening and there's enough of an itch to do something and to step into that adventure that believers are needing guidance and leadership on, like, how can we take back our culture beyond just voting?
00:34:06.720And good job, because 70% of the people that probably have me on the podcast, they say 1619 and they get it mixed up.
00:34:12.180No, we need to change that to when people, when they mean to say 1619, they actually say 1916, because this has taken over the culture so much.
00:34:22.220So, well, the answer to that question is to actually start with 1619.
00:34:26.080And so, 1619 Project, I mean, you've talked about this.
00:34:29.480I mean, you were talking about this years ago, Allie, but Nicole Hannah-Jones, the purple-haired Marxist, and I don't say that to be demeaning or attacking.
00:34:38.820She actually has purple hair and she's actually a Marxist.
00:35:21.600He was famous for saying that the way back into the garden is to take another bite of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
00:35:30.040In other words, commit the original sin again.
00:35:32.260That's how we'll enter the perpetual state of innocence, to quote him.
00:35:38.300Isn't that what we were just talking about?
00:35:39.580Now, Herbert Marcuse and Wilhelm Reich were kind of the two fathers of the free love movement, both products and students of the Frankfurt School.
00:35:45.820Now, remember the Frankfurt School, Frankfurt, Germany, that's where we get critical theory and critical race theory.
00:35:51.120We were talking about Pete Buttigieg off air earlier because of his recent, you know, white boy, soy boy support of Kamala Harris.
00:36:07.380So the Frankfurt School was moved from Frankfurt, Germany to Columbia University.
00:36:10.980And they became the kind of the fathers of the radical hippie movement and the radical yippie movement and later became tenured professors at American universities.
00:36:38.440Now, he even read Chesterton and all these authors, but we have his prison letters that were kind of the intellectual basis for the founding of the Frankfurt School.
00:36:48.280Well, a few years ago, a American expert in Gramsci and cultural Marxism and critical theory translated Antonio Gramsci's prison letters into English for American leftists to read and study.
00:37:04.600He was a professor by the name of Joseph Buttigieg, the father of a certain mayor, Pete Buttigieg.
00:37:14.520So all these people are Marxists is actually what I'm trying to say, Ali.
00:37:27.920And I know we're talking about your project, but because we have this clip that you kind of alluded to of Pete Buttigieg saying the quiet part out loud when it comes to abortion.
00:38:19.000So now we know a little bit of the heritage and ideologies that created the Buttigieg family and why he would say such an evil, evil thing.
00:38:39.880So this literally is cultural Marxism, except instead of being driven by economics and politics, the cultural Marxists realized a long time ago, Ali, that the riots in the street, you know, the police free zone in Seattle, burning down Ferguson.
00:38:56.760This wasn't working to usher in the revolution.
00:38:59.200And so they began to change their playbook, that if we're going to change the culture, we've got to approach it culturally.
00:39:05.820We have to focus on winning the robes of society.
00:39:08.740This was a line that came from Antonio Gramsci.
00:39:20.760But Antonio Gramsci talked about this thing called the strategy of the robes.
00:39:24.240And he said, if we can win the robes of academia, the robes of the courts, the robes of the clergy, and the robes of the scientific organizations, then the revolution will happen without guns.
00:39:33.560In fact, Max Horkheimer, one of the first members of the Frankfurt School, literally said this.
00:39:38.160Max Horkheimer said, the revolution will not happen with guns.
00:41:34.460What's the first and only word that progressives and liberals at our journalistic institutions of power are itching to scream when the George Floyd thing happened?
00:43:24.340Oh, and it was being pushed on, like, every mainstream liberal news site and organization.
00:43:28.280I mean, it really gave the progressives whose poor, miserable lives have no meaning something to talk about in Martha's Vineyard cocktail parties.
00:43:38.900A huge influence on the culture, right?
00:43:41.640And by the way, if you've read the 1619 Project and the series of essays that Nicole Hannah-Jones had her critical race theorist friends publish in this book, what they did was they sought to link those first black slaves coming to American shores in 1619 with everything racist in the country.
00:43:54.680So, like, the disparity in health between black women and white women.
00:43:58.100The disparity of maternal death from pregnancy from black women and white women.
00:46:38.360Well, that woman, Margaret Sanger, opened her first clinic in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn, New York.
00:46:43.420That became the first Planned Parenthood, quote unquote, clinic.
00:46:47.180And with whatever time we have left, the details behind that revolution, the founding of Planned Parenthood, the religion and ideologies, individuals and revolutionaries that were wrapped up in that experiment are more shocking than most Americans are even prepared to begin hearing the answers for.
00:47:02.440But I think post-2020, Americans and believers are a little bit more ready to hear answers to questions that if I had given them in 2018, they would have called me an Alex Jones conspiracy theorist.
00:47:13.900And now I think people are going, oh, I bet I've been lied to.
00:47:17.020And I bet there's a deeper truth to this stuff.
00:47:18.900Gosh, when I was watching the 1916 Project and y'all were piecing these things together, it was so funny because, again, this just goes back to how there is one Holy Spirit and he is so often working in a parallel way among believers at the same time, you and I coming from different places.
00:47:39.400But thankfully, I knew a lot of the things that you were talking about.
00:47:43.380Now, I had freshly learned them because I had been researching a chapter that I just wrote on abortion and I did not know a lot of these connections.
00:47:51.880But in just doing my own research, making the connection from Margaret Sanger to Francis Galton to Charles Darwin, I had written that out recently.
00:48:02.140And then when I saw y'all map it out, y'all fleshed it out a lot more than I did.
00:48:06.320And y'all even introduced people that I had not heard of.
00:48:08.880But I'm like, okay, obviously, the Lord wants the church to know this because he is using multiple people.
00:48:15.120He is revealing this to multiple people.
00:48:18.700So you're the best person, though, to give us the summary.
00:48:22.180I mean, we could talk about this for three hours.
00:48:24.220Tell us a little bit about that philosophical, even theological legacy, but also the mentorship that led to Margaret Sanger.
00:48:34.880Yeah, the Great Commission flipped upside down.
00:48:36.800Okay, you're making my wheels turn so much.
00:48:39.420I'm realizing, like in Stranger Things, that, okay, this kind of goes back to Matt Chandler's thing.
00:48:45.000Yes, it's like, okay, Matt Chandler says they want the kingdom and not the king.
00:48:49.440Maybe that's true, but it's the upside down one.
00:48:51.960Like you say, okay, the redemption part, like they, an institution like Planned Parenthood can only be redeemed or it can't be redeemed because, you know, it started by a white supremacist, but they keep it around anyway.
00:49:06.600But maybe it's actually because their definition of redemption is the exact opposite of what it is.
00:49:13.060Their definition of redemption is using something for the purpose of destruction.
00:49:17.120So that's why they keep the universities around.
00:49:20.780That's why they keep the federal government around because their idea of redemption is actually resting power away for their own destructive purposes.
00:49:28.000So it really is like the upside down world.
00:49:30.680I'm sorry, but you've got my wheels turning now.
00:49:58.180I don't even know what that phrase means.
00:49:59.220But yes, we need Christians exercising political power and getting elected because we can't trust the petulant, spoiled, Neo-Malthusian, Hillary Clinton, Klaus Schwab, kill the babies and destroy the family revolutionaries to be trusted with power to take this country in any kind of good direction whatsoever.
00:50:13.800We need Christian resistance and leadership once again.
00:50:21.140Well, in our film and book, The 1916 Project, which, by the way, go to the1916project.com to host a screening at your church or pre-order the book.
00:50:30.060But there's this thing called Godwin's Law.
00:50:33.600It's like when all you can do is relate things to Hitler.
00:50:35.900And so sometimes I get accused of that because I talk about all these links between the Third Reich and eugenics and Nazism and the American leftists.
00:50:43.680But we don't go straight back to Hitler.
00:50:45.540We go back to like 1798 when a man named Thomas Malthus, who was, by the way, a pastor.
00:51:00.540There's too many people on planet Earth.
00:51:02.960And he began to teach and write that food production can't keep up with population growth.
00:51:12.340So inevitably, we would reach a population bomb.
00:51:17.400And we'd actually have mass starvation, actually.
00:51:20.820And so he writes his book, The Essay on the Principle of Population, over many, many years.
00:51:26.020And Charles Darwin read Malthus's writing, and it influenced him probably more than any other person.
00:51:34.600I mean, Thomas Malthus in his book, Ali, called for like building our towns near marshy, unwholesome swamps to encourage the outbreak of disease to curb the population.
00:51:46.080So those poor people, you know, they won't have kids.
00:51:48.980And there was this recent clip from Bernie Sanders that proves exactly what I'm talking about.
00:51:54.280And he went on to a CNN climate catastrophe town hall.
00:51:57.760So this was about the climate, not about abortion, Ali.
00:52:00.100And he said, you got to go to the Wayback Machine to find this, by the way.
00:52:03.240He said, the way you fight the climate catastrophe, you know, the sun god, he's so pissed at us, is we have to fund abortions in poor countries.
00:52:12.400Bernie Sanders said that on national television.
00:52:44.460Sanger called some of her conferences neo-Malthusian conferences.
00:52:47.200She was part of the Malthusian League when she had to take refuge in the UK for getting arrested for publishing information on birth control.
00:55:41.720Sanger was so infatuated by Havelock Ellis that when she fled New York City for breaking the law for the Comstock laws,
00:55:50.060these are anti-obscenity laws, with her weird magazines on sexual license and libertinism and illegal forms of birth control methods that were not really illegal,
00:56:00.180rather than get arrested, she fleed to England for 18 months.
00:57:06.640You need to focus on the more scientific-sounding themes of Neo-Malthusianism and eugenics.
00:57:12.440Because back then, these ideas were quite popular among progressives.
00:57:17.700And so she comes back to New York, and that's when, in 1916, she opens the first clinic.
00:57:24.140She's arrested for her and her sister performing illegal birth control methods because they couldn't find any doctors to help them.
00:57:32.200And when she's released from prison in 1917, she starts her magazine, The Birth Control Review, where we find some of the most vile human beings, friends, and guest writer for her magazine, some of them even serving in Hitler's Third Reich.
00:57:48.080Yeah, I mean, that concept of, I don't know how to pronounce it in German, Rosenhygiene, the, you know, the clean, pure race, and eugenics, which, of course, Margaret Sanger championed.
00:58:01.540I mean, those two things really go hand in hand.
01:04:40.120And the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, some of the biggest funders of abortion throughout the world.
01:04:46.360We're talking Rockefeller involvement as well.
01:04:50.740The Rockefellers funded eugenics Nazi scientific research organizations in the Third Reich, actually.
01:04:57.180It was called the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Eugenics, and Science in Berlin.
01:05:03.120And it was funded by the Rockefellers.
01:05:05.240And the guy who led it in the early 30s was Eugen Fisher.
01:05:10.280And Eugen Fisher had run a concentration camp in German-controlled Southwest Africa prior to World War I, where he experimented on, starved and murdered Native Africans and would scalp them and do experiments.
01:05:22.660Well, in 1927, Sanger hosted the first overpopulation conference.