Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - REPLAY： The Rise of Millennial Witches

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. I hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. So for

00:00:06.360 those of you who have missed Theology Mondays, you are in luck today. We are going to be talking

00:00:12.240 about two things that have happened. One cultural trend and then one thing that a very famous

00:00:18.120 atheist said and we are going to see what the Bible has to say about these things, what truth

00:00:23.540 has to say about these things and to analyze how we should take a look at these two phenomenon from

00:00:31.800 a phenomenon. I think that is the plural form of that from a Christian perspective and we're not

00:00:39.260 talking about the primary today. You might be wondering how can you skip on something so big

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00:00:49.540 one of you from Nevada messaged me and said that I said Nevada and that was the wrong way to say it.

00:00:54.160 So the Nevada caucus is because I'm actually recording this the week before. So as I'm

00:01:00.240 recording this, I don't actually know the results. So I don't, I'm not a prophetess. And so I don't have

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00:01:13.780 that. We will break that down and all that good stuff. But for today, we are going to look at one

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00:03:08.620 about something that Richard Dawkins, he is a very famous atheist, something that he said on Twitter

00:03:17.460 that caused a lot of uproar, not just from Christians, not just from conservatives, but from

00:03:24.280 people all across the spectrum. And we'll talk about why. So he said, it's one thing to deplore

00:03:30.140 eugenics on ideological, political, moral grounds. It's quite another to conclude that it wouldn't work

00:03:36.060 in practice. Okay. Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs, and roses. Why on earth

00:03:43.100 wouldn't it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology. So people freaked out about this. Now I will say

00:03:49.740 it has a 25,500 likes and 4,000 retweets. So there were some people who thought that,

00:03:58.000 Hey, this is a really good idea. I'm so glad that Richard Dawkins brought this up, but it did get

00:04:03.440 ratioed. It got a ton of replies from people saying, why would you say this? What was the point of saying

00:04:08.460 this? This is totally just something that we didn't need to see today was one tweet that I, that I saw.

00:04:14.060 And of course I agree with that, but I'm actually glad. I'm glad that he said this because he is

00:04:20.780 saying the quiet parts out loud, which is why wouldn't we? What's, what's wrong? He doesn't

00:04:27.480 say this part and I'll get to this in a minute, but really for the atheist, what is wrong with

00:04:31.320 eugenics? So eugenics, the process of basically breeding out any kind of imperfection. So breeding

00:04:38.100 out any kind of disability, whether it be autism, whether it be, uh, you know, down syndrome,

00:04:46.900 uh, spina bifida, any of those things, trying to create a perfect human race. So people could

00:04:52.420 jump higher, could run faster, could be smarter, whatever. Obviously this was endorsed, uh, by Nazi

00:05:00.820 Germany to try to create a perfect Aryan race. And so it doesn't really have the best history,

00:05:06.440 but here we've got Richard Dawkins, his gift to us on his Twitter was to say, you know,

00:05:11.700 eugenics would probably work. Now when people freaked out and the reason why people freaked

00:05:17.120 out across the ideological spectrum is because it doesn't matter what your political background

00:05:21.820 is. Everyone knows someone with special needs. Everyone knows someone who is imperfect because

00:05:25.900 we're all imperfect in some way. And when you think about some kind of higher government

00:05:31.280 power deciding who is most valuable, whether it's based on race, whether it's based on sex,

00:05:36.580 whether it's based on your IQ, uh, some kind of other cognitive ability or personality, whatever

00:05:43.540 it is, if we get to the point to where you can even start to determine all of that kind of stuff in

00:05:48.160 the womb, um, is it possible to be able to cut out a portion of the human race that doesn't fit

00:05:54.440 this arbitrary standard of perfection that some kind of bureaucratic power, uh, decides upon, uh,

00:06:01.120 the reason why we freak out is because we all know someone, maybe even ourselves that probably

00:06:07.100 wouldn't fit into that arbitrarily, arbitrarily decided definition of perfection. So people freaked

00:06:14.800 out at him. People started replying and saying, you know, this is ableist. This is bigoted. This could

00:06:20.340 be racist. This could be sexist. Of course, all of this is true. We've seen what the one China or

00:06:25.560 one, the one child policy did, uh, in China, where you've had thousands and thousands and thousands

00:06:31.640 of aborted babies up until the point of nine months old. That's not just a, you know, a hyperbolic,

00:06:38.140 a scare tactic. That is true. You should watch the documentary one child policy. I think it's on

00:06:44.680 Amazon prime. It is extremely eyeopening. Uh, so we've seen the effects of at least if it's not

00:06:52.560 called eugenics, eugenic type thinking and eugenic type policy, uh, people don't like that. Whether

00:06:58.460 you are on the right or the left, whether you are a Christian or you're an atheist, it kind of makes

00:07:04.200 you feel icky because it is all of the things that the left says that they don't like. It is

00:07:09.260 condescension based on some inherent quality. So the color of your skin, the type of ability that

00:07:14.660 you have, uh, the sexual organs that you have and the right doesn't like it for the most part,

00:07:20.260 because we believe at least Christian conservatives believe that human beings are made in the image

00:07:25.240 of God. And therefore we are inherently valuable and not just inherently valuable, but inherently

00:07:31.260 more valuable than any other species. And so we are against the idea of eugenics. We don't believe

00:07:38.720 in some kind of perfect human race. We don't believe that people are more valuable based on their

00:07:43.620 capability, based on their talent, based on their cognitive ability. We believe that someone

00:07:48.240 who is, um, completely physically disabled and totally mentally disabled, someone who needs help

00:07:56.780 to do everything physically, mentally, uh, is unable to emote. We believe that that person is inherently

00:08:04.880 and infinitely more valuable than the most capable, the winningest horse, uh, or any kind of animal that

00:08:14.120 you find capable or majestic or valuable. Any kind of human being, regardless of their capacity,

00:08:20.420 regardless of their capability, regardless of their accomplishments, the Christian believes

00:08:25.460 is inherently and infinitely more valuable than any other member of any other species. However,

00:08:31.480 uh, if you are an atheist, although there are a lot of atheists that say what Richard Dawkins says,

00:08:37.580 you know, that's so gross. Why would you even say that? I'm completely morally against this.

00:08:42.640 Here's the thing. And here's the point that I want to make. The atheist really has no reason

00:08:50.100 morally to be against this. And Richard Dawkins, I think knows this, but he lives in this crazy,

00:08:57.900 constant state of contradiction and paradoxes in his mind where he pretends to be a moral person.

00:09:03.580 He pretends that righteousness, objective righteousness exists. He pretends that an objective

00:09:08.400 good exists. And yet he, uh, denies the existence of a standard bearer. He denies the existence of, uh,

00:09:16.940 an objective moral arbiter. And yet he purports that some kind of objective goodness and objective

00:09:22.720 badness does exist. And we see that. So he was very frustrated that people were ratioing him,

00:09:28.740 that people were saying, why would you even say this? And he said, for those determined to miss

00:09:32.080 the point, I deplored the idea of eugenic policy. I simply said, deploring it doesn't mean it wouldn't

00:09:37.820 work. Just as we breed cows to yield more milk, we could breed humans to run faster or jump higher,

00:09:42.240 but heaven forbid that we do it. So he is trying to back up and say, whoa, I'm not saying that we

00:09:49.160 should do it. I'm saying that we could do it, that we have the capability to do it, but

00:09:53.900 I'm totally morally against it. First of all, if that's true, why even bring it up? Like there,

00:09:59.880 yes, sure. There are lots of things that people could do, but we don't talk about it. And we don't

00:10:05.520 say, uh, we don't say, Hey, just FYI, everyone, this morally reprehensible thing is possible,

00:10:11.520 but we shouldn't do it. Why even bring it into the conversation? But he thought that this was a good

00:10:16.260 enough thought, not just to consider in his own mind, not just to say in private conversation,

00:10:21.000 not to, uh, you know, I don't know, talk about privately in some other way or write a article

00:10:27.800 about, he actually thought that, you know what, this is good enough to tweet and to go out there

00:10:32.440 and to make sure that people share and like, and see thousands of times. That's how highly he thought

00:10:38.300 of this consideration that he held in his mind. And then he realized that human beings, whether Richard

00:10:45.000 Dawkins wants to admit it or not, are all inherently moral because we are made in the image

00:10:50.040 of God. And so whether or not we deny objective morality, all of us as image bearers of God have

00:10:56.280 this, uh, have this instinct in us when something is wrong, when something is icky, when something we

00:11:02.820 know is, uh, corrupt or depraved, and we're not even sure why that speaks to the fact that we are made

00:11:10.160 in God's image that all of us have an objective morality that is buried, uh, deep inside us that

00:11:15.900 God gave us that when he realized that, Oh yeah, people reacting this way because they don't like

00:11:21.380 this because they have a higher view of the human race than this. He backs up and he has, Oh no, no,

00:11:26.440 no, I don't, I don't think that we should do this. This is no, this is wrong. This is wrong. And here's

00:11:32.620 the question. Why, why is it wrong for Richard Dawkins, who is an atheist for any atheist that

00:11:39.360 is mad at Richard Dawkins saying that we should, uh, or that we could do eugenics. If he said we

00:11:47.440 should do eugenics, why would any atheist be mad at that? Uh, if you believe in evolution, like if you

00:11:55.000 believe that we came from the big bang, that that is, that we are just one grand cosmic accident,

00:12:02.440 if you believe that human beings have no inherent value outside of our capability,

00:12:07.540 if you believe that we are no more important than any other animal, in fact, we are just animals.

00:12:12.760 Like if you don't believe that we have souls that give us value, if you don't believe that we are

00:12:17.160 made in the image of God, if you don't believe that there is at least at the very least a higher

00:12:22.280 power that is saying, this is the objective standard of right and wrong, then why, why do you

00:12:28.880 believe that eugenics is wrong? What, what would be wrong with it? If you believe in survival of the

00:12:34.600 fittest, then why not create a human race? According to atheist thinking, survival of the fittest thinking,

00:12:41.840 why not create a human race, um, that has the best capabilities, the largest capacity for success,

00:12:49.520 the largest capacity for health? What is, what is wrong with that? And then that just goes to the

00:12:55.740 bigger question. What is morality? What is a should or shouldn't? Because the fact of the matter is,

00:13:00.880 um, in the atheist worldview, there is no objective should or shouldn't beyond what you feel or beyond

00:13:09.140 what advances the human race. According to the atheistic thinking, everything that we feel,

00:13:14.580 everything that exists, um, exists, or everything that we do, we do because it at one time helped our

00:13:21.360 ancestors survive and carry on. Uh, if that is the case, what to you is wrong with eugenics? Not even

00:13:29.920 speaking about the fact that actually there's a lot of studies that say eugenics wouldn't work with

00:13:34.300 the human race because we're actually a lot more complex than an ape or some other animal, but that's

00:13:40.700 the question. What is a should, what is a shouldn't? What is a moral right? What is a moral wrong?

00:13:46.320 If you do not believe that there is a moral arbiter, if you do not believe, as C.S. Lewis said

00:13:52.600 in mere Christianity, a grand, a supreme moral lawgiver. And it's funny because Richard Dawkins,

00:14:00.220 obviously he famously denies the existence of God. And then he goes on to say that it's wrong,

00:14:05.580 that it's wrong, that we shouldn't do eugenics with human beings. Well, why? Why not?

00:14:09.940 Why? If you are an atheist, why not? If you don't believe that there is any inherent value in human

00:14:19.000 beings beyond what they can do, what would be wrong with creating a perfect human race? But

00:14:23.840 atheists exist in this world of paradoxes that they cannot reconcile because they are unwilling to say

00:14:31.660 why they believe in a morality, why they believe in a right and wrong, why they believe that there is

00:14:37.500 any kind of objective standard of righteousness or goodness or decency. Now they do, they do believe

00:14:45.060 in morals. They do have standards. As Richard Dawkins says, he does think that eugenic policy

00:14:49.620 is wrong, but he can't tell you why. And that's the problem with a large portion of the scientific

00:14:56.500 community and even the technological community is that the capability to be able to do something

00:15:02.480 scientifically or technologically with technological innovation grants a lot of people in that

00:15:09.740 community the license to actually do it. So it's never a question of, is this good for people? Is

00:15:16.520 this good for society? But can we do it? And if we can do it, then we will do it. And so I find

00:15:25.560 Richard Dawkins's argument very weak. That's his argument that we can do it, but we shouldn't do it

00:15:30.680 on the basis of nothing except for feelings. I just don't find that very compelling. I would love for

00:15:36.600 Richard Dawkins to give a good argument for why morally it is wrong to do what he is proposing

00:15:44.300 we can do and not use some kind of higher standard of morality that is given by a higher standard bearer

00:15:53.940 and not use that as the basis of his argument. It's just impossible. Again, if you believe

00:16:00.480 that the only standard of morality is what has ever advanced humanity, starting with our ancestors

00:16:07.620 to now, then you're going to have to answer that question. What's the reason? I actually had an

00:16:12.540 atheist reach out to me not that long ago. And he was like, you know, I am an atheist. I'm kind of

00:16:17.580 an agnostic. And I've pondered this question forever of where I get morality, why I believe some

00:16:23.180 things are right and some things are wrong. And I don't know. I just kind of feel it.

00:16:28.020 To me, that takes so much more faith. I mean, atheists laugh at Christians all the time for

00:16:34.800 having the belief in the things that we do, or they laugh at anyone who believes in God and just

00:16:39.580 says, oh, that's, you know, I get this a lot. Oh, just your sky daddy, which is just a funny phrase.

00:16:47.000 And you just believe in this fairy tale book and this fiction. Well, you, your beliefs honestly take a

00:16:54.760 lot more faith than mine do. Now, I don't know if that's objectively true, but it takes faith. It

00:17:02.040 takes faith to believe in the atheistic worldview that we're all just doing everything that we're

00:17:08.040 doing for basic survival and based on feeling. I don't believe that. I believe that we were all

00:17:14.180 made in the image of God and therefore we've all got the same instinct for morality and this all,

00:17:19.320 all the same instinct against the things that God calls bad. Now we are sinful human beings. We are

00:17:26.280 fallen human beings. And so we resist that. And without Christ, we are dead in our sin. And so we

00:17:32.660 don't know which way is up. That's how you get someone like Richard Dawkins purporting this kind of

00:17:38.200 stuff and the other crazy things that he puts forward. But I think that that is a much more,

00:17:45.320 a much more formidable idea than the idea that we're just all kind of moving along by some

00:17:52.300 accidents and figuring out morality as we go. I think that's just a little, a little bit too far

00:17:59.680 fetched for me. But this is the nature of godlessness. The nature of godlessness is confusion. Thankfully,

00:18:06.140 according to the Bible, Christians serve a God of peace, not a God of confusion. And without God,

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00:19:59.040 Allie, A-L-L-I-E. So here's a trend that I've been wanting to talk about for a long time,

00:20:03.620 and that is the upward trend of witchcraft that is very prevalent among young women. So you and I,

00:20:13.080 all the young women that are listening to this podcast, and I are the target audience for witchcraft

00:20:19.280 these days. Now, it's not the witchcraft of yesteryear. It's not the pointy hats, like hocus

00:20:25.880 pocus type thing, where people have this, like, you know, steamy cauldron, and they're putting,

00:20:32.140 I don't know, chicken feet and sawed-off fingers into it and casting spells from a spell book from

00:20:38.520 1482. That's not what witchcraft looks like today. It looks a lot trendier. It looks a lot prettier.

00:20:45.920 It looks a lot lighter. It looks a lot more fun. It looks like a bunch of celebrities that we really

00:20:51.920 admire circling up and setting their intentions for the year. And if you're thinking, oh, that's

00:20:58.960 not witchcraft at all. You are just being dramatic. Well, I want to read to you from an article. This is

00:21:05.620 the reason why I'm talking about this from The Atlantic titled, Why is witchcraft on the rise?

00:21:11.640 So we are going to kind of analyze that article and talk about what it says about witchcraft,

00:21:16.800 what it says about our society, what it says about godlessness, and then what the Bible has to say

00:21:21.340 about all this stuff. Because I think a lot of us, we're just kind of wading through culture and

00:21:25.520 letting culture happen to us. We're letting society evangelize to us. We're letting society share its

00:21:31.600 gospel with us. And before we know it, we find ourselves accepting these things without even

00:21:36.620 realizing it. Like, we don't, you know, say the prayer that society wants us to say and walk down

00:21:43.640 the aisle that society wants us to walk down and accept society as our Lord and Savior. We don't do that

00:21:50.220 in an obvious way or in a deliberate way or even all at once. But over time, it's like the frog in

00:21:58.240 the boiling water. We start to believe the things that society is telling us. That certainly is what

00:22:03.260 has happened with the whole self-love culture, with the whole trendy narcissism culture is what

00:22:08.180 I call it. That Christians have started to believe the gospel of self that is being propagated by the

00:22:15.600 world. And we have started sounding like the world rather than the world sounding like us. So when you

00:22:21.680 see churches talk about, oh, you are enough, you just need to love yourself before you can love other

00:22:26.860 people. If that sounds suspiciously like every secular non-Christian artist and non-Christian,

00:22:37.620 you know, outlet resource that you know, that you read, that you follow, that's because the church,

00:22:44.060 unfortunately, has been evangelized to by the world for so long that we have started sounding like

00:22:49.520 the world. And so as Christians, it is our obligation. It's our responsibility. It is our

00:22:54.440 privilege. It's our right to push back against that with truth and truth that is so much better than all

00:23:00.720 of that self-love crap. Sorry if you didn't want your kids to hear that word. That's exactly what it is.

00:23:07.640 It's trash. So I want to talk about how witchcraft being on the rise is actually connected to the

00:23:14.580 gospel of self, this world of trendy narcissism that is so popular, that is so pervasive in our

00:23:21.160 world today. And you might be thinking, no, no, no, Ali, at least self-love is pure. It is the culture

00:23:28.240 of self-love is about motivation. It's about taking charge of your life. At least it works. Witchcraft

00:23:33.600 is dark. It's of Satan. It's not the same at all. Well, remember what we've talked about on this

00:23:38.760 podcast is that there's no such thing as neutral ground. There's no such thing as neutral ground.

00:23:43.540 So Ephesians 2 says that Satan is the prince of the power of the air. He has real power here on

00:23:49.620 earth. And even though we as Christians know that he who is in us is greater than he who is in the

00:23:55.140 world, Satan does have real power. And so there's no such thing. Satan would like us to believe that

00:24:00.680 there's neutral ground that, okay, some of the things that aren't biblical, that the world says

00:24:06.580 they're not necessarily wrong. They're not necessarily sinful. They're not necessarily

00:24:10.600 bad. They're just neutral. We can just take them. I think self-love falls into that. It might not be

00:24:16.480 biblical. The Bible might not tell us to love ourselves, but no, it's not satanic. It's not

00:24:21.200 from hell. It's not demonic. It's not that it's just neutral. Well, again, like the frog in the pot of

00:24:27.380 boiling water, we just start to accept all the neutral stuff until we are full blown into the

00:24:32.300 world. And we sound exactly like every non-Christian friend that you've got talking about how much we

00:24:37.320 love ourselves and how we can save ourselves and all of that absolute madness. And here you get

00:24:42.720 witchcraft. Okay. So if you don't think that witchcraft has become trendy, if you think I'm

00:24:47.540 exaggerating, I'll give you some examples. So it's been, uh, it's become really cool to call yourself a

00:24:52.400 witch. So creating altars, burning sage astrology. Yes. That is part of this casting spells. They've

00:24:59.140 all become something that young girls have gravitated toward as a form of rebellion, as a

00:25:04.040 form of self-empowerment. It is very intertwined with feminism. The history of witchcraft, you can

00:25:09.380 read that anywhere is very intertwined, uh, with female rebellion. Cosmo published an article a couple

00:25:16.080 years ago titled influencer witches of Instagram. These are women on Instagram who have hundreds of

00:25:21.140 thousands of followers teaching people to be witches, um, commercializing witchcraft. And so

00:25:26.460 offering their services for some sort of payment, young women who, uh, young women on Instagram,

00:25:32.340 they, they claim that they can help you cast spells, manifest your intentions. Now that's something

00:25:38.260 that you've probably heard from people who don't claim to be witches, uh, read your future, help you

00:25:43.020 understand your Zodiac signs, your birth charts, how to cleanse your space. It sounds like witchcraft

00:25:48.620 is identical to all the new age stuff that your friend from spin classes into. That's because it

00:25:54.780 is. Uh, so here are three recent articles published by Teen Vogue. Love spells and the basics of love

00:26:00.660 magic. How to do magic and other questions you might have about being a witch, uh, a witch's guide to the

00:26:07.400 new year, practical magic, 2020. Here's one in Cosmo. How to date a witch. Now, uh, interestingly,

00:26:13.940 all of these articles that I just listed, and I just kind of went through looking for recent, uh,

00:26:20.520 witch and witchcraft articles, all of these articles are written by the same person. Uh,

00:26:24.820 her name is Lisa Stardust. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's probably not her real name,

00:26:30.220 but that is what she goes by. Here's what she says in her Cosmo article. My parents were new age

00:26:36.060 junkies and our bookshelves were filled with bright and glossy iridescent tomes about astrology,

00:26:42.240 meditation, crystals, and ways to use spices to boost magical vibes with titles like the complete

00:26:48.580 book of magic and witchcraft, uh, crystals and healing and, uh, astral projection. I don't even

00:26:55.060 know what that is, but before this sentence, she says, I guess I was born witchy. And the reason why

00:27:00.840 she believes that she was born witchy and born into a witchy family is for the reasons that she

00:27:06.080 lists. So from a witch, she is saying that there is a connection, uh, uh, between witchcraft and new

00:27:12.580 age meditation, astrology crystals, uh, the using of spices to boost magical vibes. Okay. And so this

00:27:21.600 is not just me saying that there's a connection between all the new age, uh, self-empowered,

00:27:27.100 self-centered, self-focused stuff that we see in witchcraft. This is coming from a self-proclaimed

00:27:32.220 witch herself. So I just wanted to, I just want you to hear the words of a witch making that

00:27:38.840 connection. The episode that I did with Doreen Virtue a couple of weeks ago about the dangers

00:27:43.120 of the new age. It's extremely pertinent, uh, to the conversation that we're having today. And if

00:27:47.960 you have not listened to that, I highly recommend that you do. It's actually the most listened to

00:27:53.260 episode. It's only been out a couple of weeks, the most listened to episode of relatable dangers of

00:27:58.240 the new age with Doreen Virtue. The reason why it's the most listened to is because it is so

00:28:02.920 relevant to everything that's going on in the lives of young women, everything that's going on

00:28:07.100 in social media and pop culture. I highly recommend you go listen to that, whether you're

00:28:11.640 a young woman yourself, or whether you've got a daughter, a sister, or a friend that you think

00:28:16.140 that it would be relevant to. I really recommend it. Um, I came across the article, like I said,

00:28:21.220 uh, in the Atlantic, which really made me start thinking about all of this. Why is witchcraft on the

00:28:25.700 rise? And I found it fascinating. So we're going to go through that now and why it matters to us

00:28:31.940 and what the Bible has to tell us about all of it. So this article is by Bianca Bosker. So she's

00:28:37.440 talking to this witch influencer and someone who makes hundreds of thousands of dollars,

00:28:42.980 apparently selling her witchy, uh, services. This is what the article says. Uh, Diaz sells anointing

00:28:48.860 oils and intention infused body products in her online store and instructs more than 8,900 witches

00:28:55.420 enrolled in her online school leads witchy workshops that promise to leave attendees

00:28:59.880 feeling magical AF. Uh, in 2018 Diaz, the author of the bestselling book, witchery embrace the witch

00:29:06.460 within earned more than half a million dollars from her magic work. So what does that tell us?

00:29:12.280 That tells us that witchcraft is lucrative. Uh, but for, but over the past few years, witchcraft is

00:29:18.180 what the article says long viewed with suspicion and even hostility. It's so funny. The attitude of

00:29:23.840 this article, like all the people that are angry at witchcraft are in the wrong has transmuted into

00:29:28.800 a mainstream phenomenon. So what we see here is that is, it is pervasive. Uh, witchcraft is not

00:29:35.800 just lucrative, but it's also pervasive. 2014 Pew Research Center, uh, report suggested that the

00:29:42.960 United States adult population of pagans and wiccans was about, uh, 730,000 on par with the number of

00:29:49.360 Unitarians. I wonder if there's any crossover there. Uh, these days Diaz told me everyone calls

00:29:55.980 themselves a witch, which is so true. There are so many young women who think it's cool to call

00:30:01.440 themselves a witch. So not only is it lucrative, not only is it pervasive, uh, it's also popular and

00:30:07.900 that's a little bit different than pervasive. So it's trendy and that's all of the cool people

00:30:12.900 nowadays are calling themselves a witch. She said, being a witch, this Diaz person said,

00:30:18.460 being a witch is listen to this, an embodiment of her truth in all its power. That's how this

00:30:25.340 self-proclaimed witch describes what being a witch is. So that's the second witch that we have heard

00:30:31.380 reiterate a phrase from this world of self-help and self-love and self-focus. Uh, that is, we wouldn't

00:30:39.080 automatically identify as being witchcraft, but this is what she says. Being a witch is an embodiment

00:30:44.960 of her truth in all its power. How many well-meaning, uh, fitness gurus, lifestyle bloggers,

00:30:53.980 motivational authors, even Christian teachers. Do you hear saying things that reflect directly

00:31:01.080 what this witch is saying being a witch is? Uh, she said among other magic practitioners,

00:31:07.600 a witch might embody a religious affiliation, a political act, a wellness regimen, hot new Luke,

00:31:14.300 or some combination of the above. Uh, the Instagram's reigning witch influencer, this

00:31:21.220 article says Brie Luna has more than 450,000 followers, has collaborated with coach with

00:31:26.660 refinery 29 and smash box for which she recently introduced a line of cosmetics inspired by the

00:31:32.660 transformative quality of crystals. Now, something that Doreen Virtue and I said, and we pointed out

00:31:39.040 the same thing as essential oils, crystals, oils, God made both. There is nothing inherently wrong

00:31:45.360 with crystals. There's nothing inherently wrong with oils. Oils might have some kind of calming effect on

00:31:51.560 your life and you know, that's all good. You might like the smell of it, whatever. That's fine. God made

00:31:56.860 these things. They're not impure, uh, in and of themselves, but using them for some kind of healing

00:32:02.540 power. Of course, we know that is paganism. That is idolatry. That's some sort of pantheism thinking

00:32:08.300 that God is in everything and in everyone. That of course is not a biblical perspective. You can go to

00:32:16.160 Sephora, by the way, there is a witch, uh, like startup kit where you can buy, I don't even know what it

00:32:23.340 is. Sage, crystals, uh, oils, different kinds of things to manifest your intention. So this stuff

00:32:30.720 is very commercialized. It is lucrative. It is pervasive. It is popular. It is commercialized.

00:32:37.560 All of those things kind of, uh, tie together. So just in case you doubted that this is mainstream,

00:32:43.760 doubt no more. It is. If you are a mother and you, your daughter is on social media, she's in the age

00:32:50.800 where she could be influenced by this stuff. Just make sure that you're paying attention and just be

00:32:54.880 aware of the fact that the stores that you go to, that the accounts that you follow, that the

00:33:00.620 celebrities that you like, or that she likes, uh, they are going to try to one in one way or another,

00:33:06.540 whether it's through the elevation of the self or outright witchcraft, they are going to try to

00:33:12.040 influence her, uh, influence her in this way. The, the, uh, article also talks about the wick of faith.

00:33:19.020 And I think it's interesting that it refers to it as a faith. This is something that does require,

00:33:24.500 uh, an amount of faith and an amount of belief in absolute lunacy. The belief in witchcraft is so

00:33:30.840 widespread and so enduring that one historian speculates it's innate to being human. That's

00:33:36.200 what this article says. And I would say that's true. I would say our fallen nature, um, seeks to

00:33:43.300 distort what God has made a desire for him. So he, God made us to need something higher than ourself,

00:33:53.460 to need a power that's higher than ourself, to be in not enough inherently to, uh, desire help,

00:34:00.880 to desire salvation, to desire some kind of power, to desire some kind of refuge. And we can only find

00:34:09.340 that reliably in him. We can only find that ultimately in him. But when we reject God,

00:34:15.240 because, uh, we hate God, that's what enemies of God do. Everyone who is not in Christ is an enemy of

00:34:21.380 God. And whether they say it or not, they hate God because they are in enmity with God, which is what

00:34:26.560 the Bible says, uh, then they are going to, uh, look towards another power in order to help them.

00:34:32.860 That is what we are created to do. So this article is correct. This historian is correct.

00:34:36.940 It is innate. Witchcraft is innate. It's just a distortion of a God-given desire for something

00:34:43.000 higher than ourselves. Um, this is also important for us to note that this includes, so the latest

00:34:49.680 witch Renaissance coincides with a growing fascination with astrology, with crystals, with

00:34:54.900 tarot cards, uh, which like magic practitioners consider ways to tap into unseen, unconventional,

00:35:01.160 unconventional sources of power, which of course, that is exactly what it's about. What we just said

00:35:06.140 to tap into unseen sources of power, uh, astrology guys is not something that Christians should ever

00:35:14.740 be a part of. Like you don't need to know your zodiac sign. I'm sure we all do know our zodiac

00:35:19.220 signs. I remember when I was little, I didn't know, you know, that any of this stuff was bad.

00:35:23.280 And I was like, Oh, I'm an Aquarius. That's so exciting. But I remember my mom telling me at some

00:35:28.340 point that that's not something that we, uh, that we care about. That's not something that we read

00:35:32.920 about. That's not something that we're fascinated by Christianity and astrology does not go hand in

00:35:39.780 hand. They cannot coincide. They're completely perpendicular to one another. If we see this

00:35:45.420 in an article about witchcraft over and over again, that astrology, your birth chart, all of that stuff,

00:35:52.700 your zodiac sign, which I guess is within all of that. If we see that perpetually as being claimed

00:35:59.540 by witches, it should at least make us take a step back and say, Hmm, maybe this isn't something

00:36:04.980 that I should be a part of. Anytime you go to anything other than God, uh, for power, for self

00:36:13.280 understanding, for healing. Um, now that's not to say that God can't give us medicine or God hasn't

00:36:20.700 allowed medicine to be invented. Of course, uh, these things can be gifts of common grace, but when we go

00:36:27.640 to something outside of biblical Christianity and we go to something outside of God and the things that

00:36:33.900 are, he has given us for their intended purpose, we end up with idolatry. That's exactly what

00:36:39.600 astrology is. You're looking for some kind of power. You're looking for some kind of direction. You're

00:36:44.040 looking for some kind of wisdom, some kind of insight, some kind of self understanding that is

00:36:48.760 meant to be found in God. Uh, all of the things that we truly seek ultimately underneath them all

00:36:56.140 is a desire for God, a desire for true salvation, for true wisdom, for true direction, for true purpose,

00:37:02.880 for true meaning to truly be filled. We are going to false idols like astrology, uh, to find those

00:37:09.720 things. And you'll notice that people who are obsessed with astrology, they're very unsatisfied.

00:37:15.160 Like they're constantly looking at new astrology posts. Like they're constantly looking at new

00:37:20.660 insights. They're constantly trying to find a way to fit this, uh, Zodiac reading that really doesn't

00:37:26.880 align with their personality at all. Like really doesn't align with their life at all. They're

00:37:30.720 trying to constantly find a way to make it fit in to their life so they can keep putting their faith

00:37:36.840 in it. Because again, we are made to put our faith in something and it feels more tangible to them.

00:37:43.100 It feels more like they're able to control it. And astrology is all about you. It's all about why

00:37:48.820 you're special. It's all about your life. This is another reason why witchcraft is so popular,

00:37:53.500 because it's about you, empowering you, freeing you. Uh, and the Bible, Christianity is not about

00:38:00.680 that. It is about denying yourself, taking up your cross and following Christ. As Philippians 2 says,

00:38:06.520 it is looking at others as more important than we look at ourselves, honoring others more than we

00:38:12.920 honor ourselves, helping others at our own expense. And that is the opposite of what something like

00:38:20.860 witchcraft is for. Witchcraft is all about what can, how can you reign the powers of darkness

00:38:26.020 in to help you to manifest the successes that you want? And if you are thinking, wow, that kind of

00:38:34.700 sounds a lot like the prosperity gospel. That's because it is, um, there was a really interesting

00:38:40.800 article in, in outlet called the American interest. And, uh, it talked about AOC and AOC releasing her

00:38:49.340 birth chart. So let me read this more importantly, however, AOC's gambit taps into the way. So she

00:38:54.740 tweeted out her birth chart. That's the context, uh, taps into the way in which progressive millennials

00:38:59.180 have appropriated the rhetoric imagery and rituals of what was once called the new age from astrology

00:39:05.100 to witchcraft. So again, we see astrology associated with witchcraft as both a political and spiritual

00:39:10.860 statement of identity for an increasing number of left-leaning millennials, more and more of whom

00:39:15.720 do not belong to any organized religion. Occult spirituality, isn't just a form of personal

00:39:20.580 practice, self-care with more sage, uh, rather it's a metaphysical canvas for the American culture,

00:39:28.020 wars in the post Trump era, pitting the self-identified Davids of seemingly secular

00:39:33.360 progressivism against the Goliath of nationalist evangelical Christianity. So this really creates

00:39:41.720 an intersection of all of the things that we talk about. Now, this is not to say that everyone on the

00:39:46.080 left, everyone who's a Democrat, everyone who is anti-Trump, uh, is engaged in witchcraft. I'm not

00:39:51.660 saying that, but this is why it matters for Christians to care about politics. This is why it matters for

00:39:57.900 Christians to have a holistic worldview, why it matters for us to care about what's going on in

00:40:03.360 culture and why we should allow the Bible to inform all of these things because they are connected.

00:40:09.980 They're always connected. Our worldview, how we view God, how we view the self, it affects everything we

00:40:16.240 believe, including politics. So let me, let me, uh, read that again. So for an increasing number of

00:40:23.460 left-leaning millennials, many of whom do not belong to any organized religion, occult spirituality,

00:40:30.000 occult spirituality, isn't just a form of personal practice, self-care with more sage. It is a

00:40:34.740 metaphysical canvas for the American culture wars in the post Trump era, pitting the Davids of secular

00:40:41.360 progressivism against the Goliath of nationalist evangelical Christianity. As an aesthetic, as a

00:40:47.940 spiritual practice, this article says, and as a communal ideology, contemporary millennial witch

00:40:53.320 culture defines itself as the cosmic counterbalance to Trumpian evangelicalism. Isn't that interesting?

00:41:00.580 Progressive occultism, the language of witches and demons of spells and sage of cleansing and bad

00:41:05.620 energy of stars and signs has become the de facto religion of millennial progressives. The metaphysical

00:41:11.480 symbol set threaded through the worldly ethos of modern social justice activism. I mean,

00:41:17.340 this is just everything we talked about in this podcast. Its rise parallels the rise of religious

00:41:22.140 nuns. That's N-O-N-E-S, which we've also discussed on this podcast. And with them, a model of spiritual

00:41:28.080 and religious practice that's at once instant in intuitional and atomized. Marie Claire's, uh, this is how

00:41:35.920 real life resistance, which is say they're taking down the patriarchy and broadly is how the socialist

00:41:42.540 feminist of which use magic to fight capitalism proves exactly what this article in American

00:41:49.280 interest is talking about. Um, this stuff is connected to politics. It's connected to the

00:41:57.200 godlessness that we see rising among millennials. It's connected to, uh, the SJW movement that we see

00:42:04.080 that is so prevalent in millennials. It is this glorification of self. It has to do with the

00:42:09.060 entitlement that a lot of young millennials see. It has to do with the trust in the government

00:42:13.100 rather than God that we see among millennials. This is whether you want to call it witchcraft or

00:42:18.420 not. It's just the effect of godlessness that we are always looking to put our faith in something

00:42:24.260 and people feel that they can put their faith in magic and that it's going to help them manifest

00:42:29.060 the successes in their lives. Um, this is also something that we see with Jennifer Aniston. She talked to

00:42:36.000 the New York times about a goddess circle that she's been doing for 30 years that it's some kind

00:42:41.020 of spiritual routine that you'll probably see across your Instagram with a lot of celebrity

00:42:46.600 influencers that, you know, you sit in a goddess circle and you're supposed to manifest some sort of

00:42:51.020 magic. You've got sage burning. You've got all these kinds of rituals that are supposed to manifest

00:42:56.160 the success in your life. And of course, Jen Aniston might say that this has been very effective for her.

00:43:01.960 She obviously has a lot of success, a lot of money, but it doesn't matter whether or not this

00:43:07.180 stuff is effective, which by the way, it might actually work because Satan is real and demons

00:43:12.260 are real and the power of darkness is real. And so people might get the things that they are

00:43:17.460 manifesting. People might get the things that they have set intentions for. They might get the things

00:43:21.940 that they did a candle service for or read tarot cards for. I mean, Satan is very real and he very much

00:43:28.820 works and he might give people the things that they cast spells for or whatever or use witchcraft

00:43:34.300 for in order to get them to keep following him. But guess what? All this stuff leads to hell. It leads

00:43:40.440 to hell forever. And so, yes, it might attract some people. It might give you some success for a little

00:43:47.080 bit. It might be effective for a little bit, but the place where it leads is not a place where any of us

00:43:54.300 want to go. And so this is not neutral ground. This is not something that Christians ignore. This is not

00:43:59.960 something that we say is just harmless. We say this is a path that leads to eternity in hell and a place

00:44:06.980 where no one wants to go, a place where we don't want any of our friends to go, the people that we

00:44:12.200 love to go. It doesn't matter if people are happy with it now. People say, well, it's happy. It makes me

00:44:18.320 happy or it works or I've been successful or I've manifested these things. It doesn't matter whether it's done

00:44:23.460 these things. The fact of the matter is, is that it can't save you and in fact, damns you. It's not

00:44:28.760 that this in particular damns you. It's that your lack of faith in Christ, which has led to these

00:44:34.500 things, condemns all of us. This is what the Bible has to say about witchcraft. Deuteronomy 18, 9 through

00:44:41.000 12 says, when you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable

00:44:46.080 ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire.

00:44:52.220 So against child sacrifice, that's good. By the way, let me just say in Uganda, where witchcraft

00:44:57.660 unfortunately is very pervasive, they have had a terrible epidemic of child sacrifice.

00:45:06.000 There's been a very stark uptick, a very sharp uptick in child sacrifice in Uganda over the past

00:45:13.340 10 to 20 years because of these witch doctors that come through in villages and say, you know,

00:45:17.820 we'll pay you X amount if you sacrifice your child to us. And so they literally take these

00:45:22.460 children, they kill them, rip their hearts out. Well, maybe I shouldn't get so graphic.

00:45:27.140 Sorry, if you need to turn this off, you've got kids in the car, but it's probably too late for that.

00:45:31.400 Cut their limbs off, cut their genitalia off, and they offer it to whatever gods they think

00:45:37.200 they're worshiping as a form of witchcraft because they think it's going to give them good luck or power.

00:45:41.600 That's obviously not working out very well for them, but working out very well for these

00:45:45.940 evil witch doctors who are making money off of all of this. So this is the God of the universe

00:45:53.760 telling his people thousands of years ago, we're not supposed to do that stuff that's still going

00:45:58.860 on right now. So no one should sacrifice their son or daughter in the fire. There should be no one

00:46:04.660 who practices divination or sorcery, no one who interprets omens, no one who engages in witchcraft

00:46:10.540 or casts spells or who is a medium or a spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these

00:46:15.920 things is detestable to the Lord. So even though Christians don't follow all of the cleansing laws

00:46:21.460 that God has in the Old Testament, we still follow his moral laws. We can still look at the principles

00:46:26.560 that he put forth for his people in the Old Testament and say, that's the same God. That's the

00:46:32.700 same desire that he has. It's the same principle today as it's ever been. God doesn't want us to

00:46:37.340 have anything to do with witchcraft. Exodus 22, 18, you shall not permit a sorceress to live.

00:46:43.300 So it was a death penalty for people who practice witchcraft. Leviticus 20, 27, a man or a woman who

00:46:49.480 is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones. Their

00:46:57.040 blood shall be upon them. First Chronicles 10, 13. So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith

00:47:02.500 with the Lord in that he did not keep the command of the Lord and also consulted a medium seeking

00:47:08.180 guidance. So Colossians 5, 16, 24 says this. So this is the New Testament now talking about all

00:47:15.880 the things that God has, that God has been saying since the beginning, that we should have no part

00:47:21.820 in the unfruitful works of darkness. The New Testament reiterates this Colossians 5, 16 through 24.

00:47:27.420 But I say, walk by the spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh for the desires

00:47:34.040 of the flesh are against the spirit and the desires of the spirit are against the flesh for these are

00:47:38.920 opposed to each other to keep you from doing the things you want to do. But if you are led by the

00:47:43.620 spirit, you are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh, here we go. Now the works of the flesh

00:47:49.060 are evident. Sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of

00:47:57.760 anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn

00:48:04.780 you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

00:48:11.560 But the fruit of the spirit, and this is the verse that most of us know, the fruit of the spirit is love,

00:48:17.400 joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against

00:48:22.020 such things there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its

00:48:28.260 passions and desires. So typically we just extricate verses 22 through 23, say these are the fruit of the

00:48:34.920 spirit and we don't pay any attention to the stuff around it. Equally as important, maybe not equally

00:48:39.840 as important, but very comparably important, as important to the fruit of the spirit are the fruit

00:48:46.640 of the flesh, the fruit of darkness, which is idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy,

00:48:52.580 fits of anger, all of these things. And witchcraft, being sorcery, is included in all of that. And so if

00:48:59.760 you are of the flesh, Paul is saying, the Holy Spirit through Paul, you are going to have an affinity

00:49:04.880 for the works of darkness. You are going to have an affinity for things like sorcery, an affinity for

00:49:09.600 things like witchcraft. So if you are a Christian who is taking part in any of this stuff, you need to ask

00:49:18.120 God to give you the power to repent and you need to have nothing to do with it. Nothing to do with

00:49:23.820 astrology, nothing to do with mediums, nothing to do with tarot cards, nothing to do with ascribing power to

00:49:31.580 crystals, ascribing power to oils that are not inherently there that God did not intend. And any

00:49:40.200 other thing, any of us may be doing, and I'm evaluating my own life, anything that we are doing

00:49:46.080 that is giving power to things or giving power to the self in a way that God did not intend. The

00:49:52.000 through line through the new age, through the self-empowerment, self-love stuff that we are hearing by

00:49:58.300 people who did not purport to be witches, the through line between witchcraft, new age, self-help,

00:50:03.700 self-love, self-care. That's not to say that getting your nails done is bad. People always ask me about

00:50:10.320 that. But the empowerment of the self, the focus on the self, the similarity between witchcraft and that

00:50:16.620 and the new age, the way that it all comes together, the through line is the self. Anything that empowers

00:50:23.640 the self that tries to elevate the self to the place of God, whether it's through sorcery and

00:50:28.880 witchcraft and mediums and tarot cards and these intention setting candle ceremonies, whatever they

00:50:35.260 are, or any kind of motivational mantra that tells you to believe in yourself, to save yourself, to

00:50:41.640 discover yourself, to fulfill yourself. The through line is the self and that is Satan's lie. And it has

00:50:48.680 been the lie since the very beginning. That is the same lie that he gave to Eve in the Garden of Eden.

00:50:57.340 Don't submit to God. Submit to yourself and you will be like God. And he was partially right. Satan is

00:51:03.140 always partially right, by the way. Satan is always partially telling the truth. Eve did become like God

00:51:09.280 in knowing good and evil. But the consequence of her sin was suffering and physical death. And in elevating

00:51:14.740 the self, whether through traditional self-help or female empowerment or out great witchcraft,

00:51:19.160 you might find success. You might lose weight. You may get in a relationship, but that way is the wide

00:51:23.980 gate that leads to a place that none of us want to go. So Satan saying the same lie that he always had

00:51:31.580 since the very beginning shows that he is cunning, but he's not creative. He is insistent, but he is not

00:51:39.840 innovative. He has the same lie dressed up in a million different ways, some seeming more neutral

00:51:45.420 and some seeming darker than others, that we as Christians are obligated through the wisdom of God

00:51:50.780 to be able to point out and to resist with all of the strength the Holy Spirit can give us. Read Ephesians

00:51:56.380 6 and see the armor of God that he gives us through Christ to be able to fight these battles. Again,

00:52:03.580 there is no neutral ground. The time has come and gone for Christians to be able to accept

00:52:09.800 mainstream messages as having any sort of redeeming value in them. The time has come and gone for us to

00:52:16.920 be able to not pay attention. The time is come and gone for us to be apathetic. We have to care.

00:52:23.080 We have to pay attention. We have to know our Bibles and we have to be able to confront these cultural

00:52:28.340 messages with the truth of God. So I don't think that we should constantly be looking at the world of

00:52:36.160 witchcraft and we should constantly be observing the works of darkness that are happening in the rest

00:52:40.840 of the world. I think, frankly, all we need to do is to know our Bibles, to pray hard, to be aware of these

00:52:47.300 things, to be as innocent as doves, to be as cunning as a serpent in that, to be as knowledgeable or to be as

00:52:55.960 knowing, to be as perceptive as what the Bible says a serpent is like. So that's our responsibility

00:53:05.160 as Christians, to know that this stuff is going on, to not worry about it because, like I said earlier,

00:53:10.200 he who is in us is greater than he who is in the world and we know that Jesus is going to defeat

00:53:15.500 Satan once and for all, that he is going to rule in perfect peace forever, that we don't need to have

00:53:20.180 anxiety about any of this stuff. We don't need to have fear about any of this stuff because we have the

00:53:25.560 power of Christ within us and because of that, we are enslaved to righteousness. We are empowered to

00:53:31.980 do righteousness. We are ambassadors of Christ. We are the aroma of Christ. We are givers of light.

00:53:38.220 So we don't need to worry about this stuff, but we do need to be aware that it's happening. We do need

00:53:42.480 to fight darkness with the light that Christ has given us and we need to make sure that we are not

00:53:49.080 being apathetic and we are not being complacent and we are not the frog in the boiling water accepting

00:53:55.140 the messages of self-empowerment, not realizing that it's just a witchcraft-like lie from the pits of

00:54:02.820 hell. So that was a really long podcast. I should have just done the witchcraft stuff, but you just

00:54:07.940 never know how long I'm going to go. Okay. That's all I have today. I'll be back here on Wednesday.

00:54:12.460 I'll see you guys then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 26, 2020

REPLAY： The Rise of Millennial Witches

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