REPLAY： The Truth About 'Comprehensive Sex Education' ｜ Guest： Monica Cline
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Monica Lial-Klein used to be a family planning educator for Planned Parenthood. She was pro-abortion, pro-promiscuity and pro-every-leftwing talking point about sex and relationships that you can think of. And she went into schools and she educated kids about this. And now God has changed her life and she educates families about how they can disciple their children in what is good and right and true about God's design for gender, sex, and the family.
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Today we are talking to Monica Klein. She's got
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an amazing story, an amazing testimony. She used to be a family planning educator for Planned
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Parenthood. She was pro-abortion, pro-promiscuity, pro-every-left-wing talking point about sex and
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gender and relationships that you can think of. And she went into schools and she educated kids
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about this. And now God has changed her life and she educates families about how they can disciple
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their children in what is good and right and true about God's design for gender, for sex,
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and for the family. So she is going to tell us what really goes on at Planned Parenthood,
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the ideology that is driving the so-called comprehensive sex education that we are seeing
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in schools. And then she is also going to tell us how there is a better way, there's a better design,
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and there is a better way to teach kids about sex. And that really comes down to a parent's
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responsibility to know what God says about these things and to teach our kids about it. You are
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absolutely going to love this conversation. You're going to be encouraged by it and enlightened as well.
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Monica, thank you so much for taking the time to join us. Can you tell everyone who may not know
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who you are and what you do? Oh, sure. Well, my name is Monica Lial-Klein,
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and I'm the founder of It Takes a Family. It's an organization where I really teach families how to
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strengthen from within. Strong moms and dads, or sometimes it might even be a single parent family.
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I was a single mom for nine years. And so my mission is to strengthen the family, have those
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parents teaching children God's creation for humanity, their identity, God's purpose for marriage,
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family, and sexual intimacy, and to really strengthen that attachment within the family to
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protect those children so that they know how to give an answer out in the world.
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And you used to be a volunteer educator for Planned Parenthood. You were a Title X family planning
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training manager. You would go into schools, teach what's called comprehensive sex education.
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Tell us, before you tell us what that was like, how did you get into that realm?
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Yeah. So that was in the 90s, 1990s. That seems like so long ago now.
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It was. I mean, I was born in the 90s and I'm 30. So yeah, it's a long time ago now.
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Well, I was graduating from the University of Texas in Austin, and it was during the, you know,
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HIV epidemic. And so I wanted to do my part in my 20s to change the world and protect people,
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especially the marginalized. And I had had people very close to me who had died because of getting
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HIV and turning into AIDS and they passed on. And so I decided that I was going to volunteer
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at an HIV organization that was doing prevention education in high risk communities. And as soon
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as I volunteered and really got into public health education and training, I thought it was really
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fascinating. And I excelled at it and I was quickly hired. And so I became an HIV prevention educator
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in Austin, Texas. And I, you know, primarily our job was to reach out to people who were living high
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risk lifestyles, men who have sex with men, as well as women of childbearing age. And, and I, my job was
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literally to walk the streets 40 hours a week in high risk neighborhoods, um, and talk about HIV,
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hand out condoms and give referrals to Planned Parenthood or to the STD clinic. Uh, or also,
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you know, once people found out their diagnosis, if they were HIV positive to get them to case
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management and to healthcare. Okay. And how would you describe your worldview at this point? I know
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you're a Christian now, were you a Christian then? You know, I wasn't, I was, uh, I'm, I'm Hispanic.
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I'm Mexican American. And really in my family, we're a very conservative, traditional Mexican
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American family. And I was baptized as a Catholic. Um, and, but I never attended church. My parents
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didn't take us to church. Uh, they gave me a big white Bible and said, God exists. Here are the
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Ten Commandments. Uh, they're good rules to live by. And that was pretty much it. Um, I saw my grandma,
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you know, praying in front of a statue of Jesus, lighting candles. Um, but I didn't really understand
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who God is or was, and I didn't understand who Jesus was. I just saw really in the Catholic faith,
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the symbolism. I just saw this man on a crucifix. I didn't, you know, it looks sad to me. So I didn't
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realize that Jesus was God and that he was strong. Um, and so really if I had a worldview, it was my
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own conservative family. And what I mean by conservative is that my parents were each other's
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best friends. They were with each other all the time. They were very devoted to their children.
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We were all together all the time. Uh, they were wonderful parents. Um, but I didn't really know what
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a godly wife or godly husband was supposed to look like. Uh, we never talked about, uh, whether I should
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date. And if I did what that would look like, uh, we never talked about whether if I would get married
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and if I did, well, what kind of man I should marry, you know? So we didn't talk about those kinds of
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things. Um, a lot of it was that we were in poverty. Uh, my dad had cancer and we were, I would say that
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we were a very strong, loving family, but we were in survival mode. So really talking about the future
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and, and marriage and things like that, we didn't really talk about those things.
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Yeah. So by the time I left that little farm town and went to UT Austin, I was very easily molded by
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the world. Um, and so by the time I started, um, volunteering at this HIV organization, I,
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I was just really moved by compassion, by love. I wanted to help people. Um, and in this realm of
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comprehensive sex education or public health education, really the belief is that you accept
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all things. You don't judge anybody. Um, you just serve everyone equally. Um, and so I was really
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taught to accept every lifestyle, every behavior, nothing was wrong. Just since we're talking about
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sex education, I was just taught, just teach them how to do things safer, learn about their sexual
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behavior and then just teach them how to do it safer and then refer them to testing because
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inevitably they will get a disease and they'll have to get tested early in order to treat. Um,
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so it really wasn't about avoiding risky behavior. It was very much about accepting all behavior and
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really just kind of giving it a bandaid. Like here's, here's a little bit of a hope use a condom
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lubrication, but get tested. Yeah. And when you started working with Planned Parenthood,
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I've heard you say before that even at Planned Parenthood, you wanted, or you kind of felt the urge
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to tell the young people that you were mentoring and educating with comprehensive sex education
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about abstinence and about the importance of not having multiple sexual partners. And yet your hand
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was kind of slapped and you were told, Nope, that's not what we do here. So tell us a little more about
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that. Yeah. I think the reason I reacted that way is because, you know, the way I was raised,
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I was always supervised by my parents. Um, it wasn't something that I grew up seeing young children
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being sexually active. Um, it wasn't an expectation and I didn't see that happening.
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So when Planned Parenthood and the way I got to Planned Parenthood was through this organization
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that I was working with, the HIV prevention organization, they said, you need to go to
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Planned Parenthood so they can teach you how to give this same sex ed message, but to children.
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And so that's when Planned Parenthood started to mentor me. And they gave me all those case studies
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of children as girls as young as 10 coming into the clinic. Um, and it's pretty graphic, Allie. I mean,
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from not only concerned about being pregnant, getting tested for pregnancy and disease, getting
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abortions and even removing, uh, toys from their bodies. Um, and it was really, really horrendous.
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And to me, when you're saying a 10 year old girl coming in with these, you know, in these scenarios,
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that sounds like abuse to me. Right. Uh, and so obviously we need to intervene. We need to find
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out who's abusing her. Is she in a environment where this has become normalized and now she's
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consenting? Is she being trafficked? Is she being trafficked? You know, so all of that was going
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through my mind and immediately, uh, the director of sex education of Planned Parenthood of greater
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Austin, Texas in that, you know, at that time. And this is still in the nineties. This is in the nineties.
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Yeah. She just patted me on the knee and she said, no, honey, this is what they want. And we're not
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going to teach them not to have sex. We're just going to teach them how to do it safer.
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And she said, this is what they want. So she wasn't concerned at all about consent or about who
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might be doing this. She was concerned about consent, but this is how they're concerned about
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consent, Allie. She's saying these girls are consenting. It's what they want. And then,
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this is why I take such an issue with consent language and consent education, because it's
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been twisted by comprehensive sex education. So they love the word consent. Consenting is I
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consent to do something. I say yes to something. So what they're really teaching our children
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when they talk about consent is how do you give a yes? And so in their eyes, multiple times,
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not just during this time when this, um, director was teaching me, I heard from multiple clinics that
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these young minor girls who are having sex with adult men were consenting that it's what they
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wanted, which is why they would not report it and why they said they were not concerned.
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Right. Um, and so, and I, yeah, I've said that before, which of course, a lot of progressives get
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angry at this, that consent is not enough when you're talking about virtue, when you're talking about
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whether something is right or wrong, the simplicity or the simplistic idea of consent,
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a yes or a no is not enough. But basically she was saying, yes, it is. If they say yes,
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it really doesn't matter. The scenario don't ask, don't tell. Right.
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It was very much a don't ask, don't tell. Um, and so when I later on, when I became a title 10
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training manager and I was teaching them about human trafficking and statutory rape and that it
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was now a federal offense, Planned Parenthood said, um, I told, you know, they, they kept telling me
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like, Monica, they want this. This is what these young girls want. They want to be with adult men.
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They didn't care if it was a 30 year old guy raping. Of course, that's the language I would
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use. They might say having sex with a 10 year old girl. They didn't care.
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No, they didn't. Uh, this was in Corpus Christi. Uh, it was multiple, uh, Planned Parenthoods from the
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Southern area of Texas. And they assured me, I was teaching them on a key concept of their grant
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about human trafficking and that they needed to identify victims of human trafficking so that they
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could report them. Have my long history with Planned Parenthood at that time. I knew that they
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were not reporting statutory rape because they were very much believing that these girls were consenting.
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And so when they pushed back on not wanting to report it, I pushed back as well and said, well,
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it doesn't matter what your opinion is about whether they're consenting or not. The truth is,
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is that these girls are minors. You know, they're having sex with adults. You are responsible for
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reporting it, whether you agree with it or not. And that's when they said, Monica, if we don't ask,
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we don't have to tell. If I don't ask the age of her partner, I don't have to report it. Yeah. And so
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they knew what they were doing. They still know what they're doing. And, and it's, and Allie,
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it's really that their worldview is very distorted. So their, their view of our children,
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their view of sex is all very distorted. So they feel very justified in what they're doing.
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They think we're the ones that are being judgmental and they don't see that they're
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actually enabling the trafficking of young girls. Yeah. And let's back up a little bit. So when you
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started with Planned Parenthood as a volunteer educator, you first kind of came in and you said,
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okay, well, great. I'm going to teach these nine and 10 year old girls about abstinence. That's what's
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going to protect them. They patted you on the knee and said, no, no, that's not what we're doing.
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Tell us what it looked like after that. You did, you started going into schools and you started
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teaching what Planned Parenthood wanted you to teach. And what was that exactly?
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Yeah. I, I believe this educator, you know, this director, and I, I stepped back and I thought,
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well, the government is funding Planned Parenthood. This woman's obviously a professional.
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Um, I didn't have, it must be right. So I, I went ahead and did it. And, um, I think one of the
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first times that I, uh, taught young girls, and this, this is one that I haven't actually spoken
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about publicly before. Um, I was with my coworker who was more seasoned than me. And, uh, we had these
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girls in middle school and, uh, we, we, we didn't actually teach in the school. It was in a separate
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location. I don't remember if it was a club or not a nightclub, but you know, just a separate
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building, a separate location. And one of the things that I remember about that particular teaching
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was the role playing. And so when parents talk about, uh, or people talk about what condom
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demonstrations really look like, um, and what communication skills looks like, like if you look
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at a curriculum, they say, Oh, this is community. You know, we're teaching them healthy relationships
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and communication skills. This is what it really is. What it is, is when we taught them how to use
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a condom and this is just all girls, we sexualize it. It has to become eroticized. And so we tell the
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girls that, um, back then I was telling the girls that many times their sexual partners may, and we
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always use gender neutral language. So we always said your sexual partner, even back then, back then
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we're using gender neutral language. So we basically said, you may have a sexual partner that doesn't
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want to use a condom. They're going to say it doesn't feel good. They don't want to use it, but
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you need to convince them to use that, which means that you're going to have to learn how to use this
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condom, how to put it on yourself and take charge. Um, but you can also make it feel good. And so then
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we would teach them how to eroticize it, how to put it on in an erotic way, how to make sure it feels
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good just in putting it on nine as young as nine year old girls. Yeah, this was middle school and
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high school. And so I guess the justification that a lot of sex educators give is that while
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they're already doing it, they're already thinking about it. They're already talking about it. We're
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just teaching them how to do all these things in a safe way, but in your safe quote unquote. Um,
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but in your experience, I mean, are nine and 10 year old girls thinking about this already,
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or are sex educators putting these ideas and these scenarios into their minds?
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It gets put into their minds. They're not thinking those things already. They really are not. Um,
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I think especially back then in the nineties before the, you know, what we have now with the internet,
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um, they really were not thinking those things. These things were all new to them. And I would say
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that there's still even some girls today where a lot of this is very new to them. Um, you know,
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the next step after teaching them that was to teach them how to talk about it, how to eroticize
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it through role playing. Um, if, if the sexual partner gave this reason why he didn't want to
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use it, how could she in a fun way, you know, you know, respond so that he would want to. Um,
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and so, and, and then we would make them role play that with each other so that they would practice
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the language. And so what I tell parents today is listen, this is just, it's not just showing them
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a condom. It's them actually doing the motions and using it. Uh, and then from there it's doing
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the role playing. So now they're acting it out. Now they're also speaking it. So this is all just
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really the grooming process of teaching them how to do this to make sure that when they're in that
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situation, that's what they've practiced. Well, that's what they're going to do. I mean,
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you're going to do what you practice. If I invite you to come over with your girlfriend so I can
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teach you how to bake a chocolate cake, I expect that when you leave my house, you're going to go
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home and bake a chocolate cake. And so it's the same thing with comprehensive sex education.
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You know, a lot of them are saying, you know, comprehensive sex educators like, oh, we're not
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teaching them to have sex. That's still their choice. But really that is exactly what's, what's
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coming. And there's studies that show that, you know, where there's polls of kids who say that they do
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feel pressured to become sexually active after going through comprehensive sex education. And
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because they believe that that is now the expectation. That's what I've been taught.
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And as I continue to teach teens, at one point, the teens actually responded that way. They actually
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told me that. There was a situation with, and I don't know if you've heard this particular story, but
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I was teaching these kids in an alternative school. And again, middle school, about 13 years old.
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And it was boys and girls. And I did the usual, you know, I would walk in, there was a whiteboard,
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and I would list the different forms of sex, anal, vaginal, oral. So right away, the kids are
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thinking, okay, well, those are the three things I'm supposed to do. Then I wrote down the three
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bodily fluids that transmit HIV or other STDs. So blood, semen, and vaginal secretions. So now,
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okay, I'm going to be in contact with blood and all of those things. We're having the conversation
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about transmission and how to reduce the risk by using condoms, lubrication, things like that.
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And a little girl raises her hand, and she asks me, and I'll clean up her language, but even,
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you know, it'll still sound graphic. She just basically said, you know, when I'm involved in
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this sexual activity, I gag. Can you teach me how to do it better? And that, even then,
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I had heard so many stories from adults on the street, everywhere. I mean, I had heard it all.
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But, you know, when you hear a little girl say something like that to you, even me, maybe not
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another sex educator, but it really did take me aback. I was just very, yeah, it was very jarring.
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So I repeated the question to her because I wanted her to hear what she had said,
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and then clarify what she thought about it. And so I said, okay, what I hear you saying is that
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when you're involved in this activity, you have this reaction, and you don't like that reaction.
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She said, that's right. I don't like it. But if you teach me how to do it better, maybe I will.
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And then I said, have you ever considered just not doing the thing that you don't like?
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If you don't like it, you don't have to do it. Let's start there. And all those kids turned around
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and looked at me, and they didn't look judged. They didn't look like they had just shut down
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and put up a wall because Planned Parenthood always says, or anyone in comprehensive sex education,
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SICUS, Advocates for Youth, it doesn't matter. They're all the same.
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They always said, if you say anything like that, you're going to make them feel judged,
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and they're just going to shut down, and they're not going to share with you anymore.
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Well, these kids didn't look shut down. They just looked at me like, whoa, tell us more about that.
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Yeah. Like maybe they were relieved that, hey, another option is that you don't have to do any
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of these things. And you can actually eliminate the risk altogether. Because when you only present
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the risks, you think, well, this is inevitable. I mean, these are the risks, and I'm going to engage
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in it. And these are just the risks that I have to choose from. But you can actually choose not to
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put yourself at risk at all. And basically, you were told you're not allowed to tell them the no
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risk option. Exactly. Because it's not loving. It's not compassionate. And it's judging. It's
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not empathetic. So they really guilt you into thinking that you can't teach kids the best for
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them. So when I noticed their response, I said, guys, do you realize you don't have to have sex at
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all? Do you realize? And I pointed at the board. I said, you don't have to have anal sex, oral sex,
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or vaginal sex. And if you don't, then I pointed to the board again, you won't be in contact with
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anyone's blood, semen or vaginal secretions. And if you don't, then you don't have to worry about
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disease or pregnancy. And the little girl, the same little girl raised her hand again. And she said,
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ma'am, no one's ever told us that. Wow. And what was really interesting is these kids literally
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huddled together and started talking about ways that they could avoid sex. They didn't use the word
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abstinence. And they didn't say, let's avoid sex. They just started to talk about things that they
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could do with each other that didn't have to do with touching each other's private parts.
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Like, you know, this was in a community that was very poor and they had a community center and
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government housing and they had free movies and snacks. And so that was one of the suggestions that
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the kids made is let's go to the community center and watch free movies and snacks.
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And then it's just incredible that this is like a novel idea to them. Yeah. That they could actually
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like prolong their innocence by doing things that kids are supposed to be doing. Was this a light
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bulb moment for you? You know, it was. I wouldn't say that it was when I changed completely, but it
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really was. And these kids came up with amazing ideas of how to practice abstinence without using the
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word abstinence. They actually came up with ideas that Planned Parenthood would not call,
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you know, I don't know if you've ever seen Planned Parenthood talk about abstinence, but they talk about
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things like, oh, if you want to abstain from sex, you can do mutual masturbation. You can touch over
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your clothes. Like these kids were talking about watching movies, playing basketball. Amazing. A little
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girl did pull away from the group and came up to me and she whispered and she said, I can't do what
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they're doing. And I said, well, why not? And she said, well, because I'm already sexually active and
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everyone expects me to do it. So now I can't stop. It was part of her identity. It was part of our
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identity. But the fact that she came up to me and said that what she was really doing, and this is what
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as adults we can see in our children, she was really asking me if that was true. Yeah. And I said, honey, no one
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can tell you that you have to be sexually active. I assured her that she could stop having sex and
00:23:38.260
not have sex again ever if she didn't ever want to do it again or until she got married until she
00:23:44.060
decided. And she smiled brightly and joined the group. Yeah. These kids are waiting for us to lead.
00:23:53.040
They're waiting for their parents to lead. They're waiting to hear any voice of authority to tell them
00:24:00.380
you don't have to be involved in these high risk activities. Yeah. And Ali, you know, this consent
00:24:06.580
education has me worried. And I know it has a lot of people worried, but I want, I just mentioned this
00:24:12.740
to some parents the other day. What's happening with consent education and the law are two things.
00:24:19.220
The more that comprehensive sex educators talk about consent with children or teach children consent,
00:24:26.400
we're normalizing the idea that children can even consent to sex. Our laws based on our morality
00:24:33.780
is that children cannot consent to sex until they are adults. Right. So the matter what, it does not
00:24:41.220
matter. Exactly. If they say that they consent to it or whatever the predator says to justify that kind of
00:24:49.540
interaction, they cannot consent because they don't have the capacity really to do so. That is what our
00:24:56.260
law says. And that is why we have the law because they don't have the capacity to make that kind of
00:25:02.220
decision and the consequences of those decisions. So it's, it's a good law. So why are we teaching
00:25:08.460
children how to have sex through comprehensive sex education? If the law says that they're not even
00:25:13.660
allowed to consent to sex, why are we teaching them to consent when the law says they can't consent?
00:25:20.260
And a big part of that is because it's starting to normalize it in the community. So now the teachers,
00:25:25.500
the parents, whomever, legislators are believing, oh, well, if we're teaching consent, then maybe we
00:25:31.280
need to adjust the law. And then, so now we see California reducing the age of consent to 14.
00:25:37.620
A 14 year old now, and it was specifics, Representative Wiener passed this because he
00:25:43.800
specifically said that there was young gay boys who were having sex with adult gay men and it shouldn't
00:25:51.480
be illegal. Yeah. I mean, that was really the premise of it. And in addition to that, it was also
00:25:57.100
that if the gap was just 10 years, then that adult would not have to, does not have to register as a
00:26:04.220
sex offender in the state of California. So we're even talking about a 20 year old and a 10 year old.
00:26:09.460
We're talking about a 25 year old and a 15 year old. If the gap is only 10 years says, yes,
00:26:16.040
his name is Wiener and it's just wild, but that's what his bill now law says that you don't have to
00:26:22.080
register for a sex offender as long as the gap is 10 years. And he did specifically say that this is
00:26:27.620
advocacy that he's doing on behalf of the LGBTQ community, which again, is kind of a tell, right?
00:26:35.960
It is, it is. And, and I think that that, that is one of the things that I'm telling parents as
00:26:43.520
they're working with legislators and I want legislators to understand the more we normalize
00:26:49.140
consent language and education to our children and to the public in general, and in our, in our public
00:26:56.280
health initiatives, we are now giving permission for those kinds of laws. So if we're used to believing
00:27:02.880
that children can consent to sex and that children truly have sexual rights to sexual pleasure as
00:27:08.820
minors, then why won't a state legislator pass consent laws that reduces the age of consent and
00:27:17.080
all it's doing is giving predators a lot more ammunition, a lot more protection to be attacking
00:27:25.800
our children and harming our children. Um, and so, you know, I talked to a friend of mine who's a,
00:27:32.040
a survivor of human trafficking and she now is a counselor and she counsels young girls that have
00:27:37.780
been rescued from human trafficking. And I asked her about consent language and she admitted to me
00:27:42.720
that she couldn't speak out against consent language because she'd be fired because even in the
00:27:48.460
trafficking community, they talk about consent. And I said, obviously consent is good. It's been
00:27:53.920
twisted. Right. I mean, obviously consent is a good thing, especially, you know, when we're talking
00:27:58.180
about like to adults, like, I mean, of course we believe in consent and consent is important. The
00:28:04.200
point is that it is being used as the exclusive gauge of good and bad sexual interaction that as
00:28:14.620
long as someone consents, then everything else is regardless of age. Right. Well, it was interesting.
00:28:21.360
The more we talked, she said, well, Monica, I'll admit that when I work with the girls who've been
00:28:27.780
rescued from trafficking, I actually don't teach them consent. I teach them refusal skills. She said,
00:28:35.860
I teach them how to say no with no justification, a powerful no, and that they don't have to give a
00:28:44.680
reason why they say no. Yeah. And she said in the trafficking community, traffickers are masters
00:28:52.780
at getting the children to consent. And she's like, and you see it, you see a young child leave school
00:29:01.920
and on their own, go to wherever the trafficker told them to go to be with an adult and then go home and
00:29:10.820
then go to school the next day. And it, and they're consenting to it. Um, there's a book called
00:29:16.140
Pimpology. Not that I want to advertise that, but it's literally a pimp who wrote a book, a how-to book
00:29:21.900
on how to be a pimp. And he's really serious about it. And he, in that book also talks about that, about
00:29:27.220
how he can get women to do whatever he wants. They are consenting and they're loyal. And so this
00:29:34.720
consent or the tactic of consent, or however we want to use that term, has been twisted into
00:29:41.340
something that it should have never been. But it's something that we need to be very careful about
00:29:46.100
as we're looking at legislation, as we're looking at education standards, because currently the way
00:29:53.740
the national sex education standards and, and all the organizations that adopt those standards are
00:29:59.800
using consent are actually very dangerous for our children. And we need to look out for that.
00:30:05.520
When you mentioned that you mentioned on your site and you've mentioned here, 40% of students say
00:30:11.480
that they feel pressured teens say that their federally funded sex education program made them
00:30:16.620
feel pressured to have sex. What we know about all people, but in particular kids whose minds are just
00:30:22.460
more malleable than the adult mind, is that the power of suggestion is really strong. You suggest an idea
00:30:31.140
that they weren't considering before, whether it's an innocent idea, like, hey, do you want a cupcake? They
00:30:36.740
can't stop thinking about that. They weren't thinking about it before. They would have been satisfied with
00:30:40.940
their broccoli, but now you've suggested the cupcake. That's all they can think about. And so it's the same
00:30:45.980
thing, of course, with even more kind of like tantalizing subjects. You're suggesting things to the
00:30:52.460
kids, it gets in their head. And I have also said this about things like so-called gender identity.
00:30:58.680
We kind of hear the same thing that, oh, well, a kindergarten teacher needs to be talking to these
00:31:04.500
young kids about different forms of sexuality and orientation and different pronouns and different
00:31:10.900
identities, because it's natural for them to be thinking about these things anyway. And, oh, we're just
00:31:16.280
educating them. We're just showing them the options. Another word that is used very often that I think
00:31:21.860
is a Trojan horse, kind of like the newfangled form of consent, is inclusion. We're just being
00:31:28.500
inclusive. We're teaching empathy. In reality, you are putting kids down a path of confusion that I
00:31:35.900
think probably causes a lot of psychological distress, if not physical distress down the line.
00:31:44.180
Yeah. So, you know, comprehensive sex education and the approach of it, it is very much sexualization.
00:31:51.860
And so, as you're talking about, you know, different orientations, what I, you know, the CDC actually,
00:31:58.620
I'm very protective of youth who have same-sex attracted. The CDC says that children who have
00:32:05.220
same-sex attraction or identify with same-sex attraction are actually at higher risk of getting
00:32:10.740
diseases, having sexual violence. They're at higher risk than their heterosexual peers.
00:32:17.780
My belief is, in order to protect those children as well, we need to also teach them how to avoid
00:32:26.340
sex. It doesn't matter, if you just want to take a public health approach to this,
00:32:32.540
it doesn't matter what the child, how the child is attracted. The truth is, is that all children
00:32:39.960
deserve to be protected from sexualization. And what I witnessed in, you know, the HIV prevention
00:32:46.620
group that I worked with was a gay organization. And so I spent many years just in the gay community,
00:32:53.280
and I would help out at the different teen groups. And every teen gay group or LGBT group
00:33:00.800
always had a big glass bowl of condoms, a big glass bowl of lubrication, and a catalog to good
00:33:07.980
vibrations, sex toys. And these are all children. And they're being sexualized. And they're, and it is
00:33:16.620
very predatory. And I don't believe that any child, regardless of how they identify, should be put into a
00:33:25.000
position where they are being sexualized, and, and shown that this is what's expected of them.
00:33:31.780
It's not right. Our children deserve to be children. So, you know, and that's just a public
00:33:38.020
health approach. Yeah. But at the same time, you know, these are moral issues. There's, there are many
00:33:44.500
people that I work with that say, Monica, don't make this a moral issue. Well, it is a moral issue.
00:33:48.620
It is a moral issue. It is a moral issue. The national sex education standards are based on morality.
00:33:54.380
It is a secular worldview. Right. It's someone's worldview. It is secular humanism.
00:33:59.640
And it is a moral issue. And so we, the truth is, is that our families are diverse. Every family has
00:34:07.960
different morality. And it's not the school's job or the government's job to be pushing that kind of
00:34:15.260
morality on other families. Our public school system should be about math and science and history.
00:34:22.160
It's not about morality and emotions and mental health. Yeah, that that is not their role. It's
00:34:29.260
not their lane. And they're overstepping. And really, they're causing more damage to our children
00:34:34.440
and families than they are helping. Yeah, you raise a really good point. Very often, we hear all forms of
00:34:40.880
public education and the history that's being taught, the sexual education that's being taught,
00:34:46.880
that we're told that it's just, it's neutral. But really, there is no neutrality when it comes to
00:34:53.020
this. Everything speaks to a particular worldview, especially when you're talking about something
00:34:57.960
like sex, the comprehensive sexual education curriculum that is in schools, as you said,
00:35:05.320
speaks to the worldview of the people that's like those that you first interacted with when you kind of
00:35:12.200
entered this realm back in the 90s. People who think that consent is just a simple yes,
00:35:20.420
and that needs to be taught to children, the don't ask, don't tell. People who apparently think that
00:35:25.380
the innocence of children is just kind of a myth. And is it something to be protected that sex is just
00:35:31.820
like any other behavior? You do it, there are some medication strategies that you can put into place,
00:35:37.020
but hey, have your fill, does it really matter? So it really goes back to what they believe about
00:35:44.280
human beings, what they believe about human nature, what they believe about morality, that is directly
00:35:50.800
opposed to what we believe as Christians, that all people are made in the image of God, no matter who
00:35:55.320
they are. Therefore, they have value. Therefore, what happens to their body matters. But if you believe
00:36:00.460
that we're just clumps of cells, which Planned Parenthood obviously does, then of course, why would you care?
00:36:06.640
About someone's behavior and how it leads to destruction. So everything speaks to a worldview.
00:36:12.780
And your particular position is that parents are the ones who are supposed to be discipling their kids
00:36:18.660
in this kind of thing. They're the ones who are supposed to be implementing their worldview, correct?
00:36:24.100
It is, absolutely. And I came to that conclusion after I finally left that field of work. And I was
00:36:31.040
really seeking out God for answers. And one of the things that he reminded me of...
00:36:35.480
Let me pause. What was the tipping point? What made you leave?
00:36:40.100
Well, okay. So I shared the story of, you know, teaching the Planned Parenthood in South Texas,
00:36:47.640
in Corpus Christi. And that was really my last straw, when I saw multiple Planned Parenthoods
00:36:53.960
admitting to me that they did not believe girls who were being preyed on by adult men for sex
00:37:00.280
were not victims of human trafficking, and that they wanted it, and that perhaps they were even
00:37:05.100
satisfied by it. That was my last straw. I went back to my office, told my supervisor about that,
00:37:11.840
let her know that they refused to protect victims of human trafficking. She got mad at me, told me if
00:37:17.160
I wasn't pro-choice, which is interesting that she used those words. If I wasn't pro-choice,
00:37:23.520
I wasn't. But, you know, Allie, it's all linked together.
00:37:27.380
Because sex education, as you were just saying earlier, about how we view our bodies and our
00:37:32.980
identities, comprehensive sex education that espouses or does espouse and adopts the national
00:37:40.280
sex education standards is very much about our bodies don't mean anything. Everything is about
00:37:46.800
sexual pleasure. And if you go through their standards, that's all it's about. It's anything
00:37:51.800
goes kind of mentality from birth to tomb. And so what I teach people today.
00:37:57.420
From before birth. I mean, really before birth, when you think about it.
00:38:04.300
Yeah. But what happens is that when we teach our children comprehensive sex education,
00:38:08.940
and we teach them that their bodies are just things, and that you just kind of push some
00:38:14.180
buttons to get some kind of pleasure out of it, you're really teaching our children how to
00:38:18.480
dehumanize each other. And that's what they're doing. They're objectifying themselves. They're
00:38:23.160
objectifying one another. And then it becomes a natural next step to dehumanize the preborn
00:38:28.600
child through abortion. And so it's all connected. There's a reason why Planned Parenthood is also one
00:38:34.260
of the largest providers of sex education. It's their marketing tool for abortion. You have to groom.
00:38:43.140
All connected. But it also says that the body doesn't matter, that you can identify and say
00:38:50.280
Exactly. And all of it is to destroy God's creation for humanity, and marriage, and identity,
00:38:57.680
and family, and sexual intimacy. It's a direct attack on his creation. And so we see this happening.
00:39:04.740
And we go back and we start to wonder, you know, how is this happening? Why is it that family is so
00:39:11.140
important? And that's one of the first things that God showed me is that he reminded me of something
00:39:15.680
that Planned Parenthood would always tell me at the various conferences that I went to where I was
00:39:20.240
training them. And they would always say, Monica, parents are a barrier to service. As soon as a parent
00:39:27.000
knows that their kid is coming to a Planned Parenthood, we never see that kid again, because their
00:39:32.180
parents take them out. Parents are a barrier to service. Parents are a barrier to service. And
00:39:36.440
Allie, you're going to see this language in legislation. So now with the trans movement and
00:39:42.920
wanting to transition children's bodies with puberty blockers and surgery, the bills literally say that
00:39:50.200
parents are a barrier to the health care of their children. We're going to start to see this in
00:39:55.520
mental health bills as well, that the government or the school knows better, and that parents are
00:40:01.140
really a barrier. And a lot of this, and I don't know if you've watched The Mind Polluters,
00:40:06.460
and it's a film that I'm in as well, but we really talk about how this is happening in the
00:40:12.060
schools with sex education, social emotional learning, the data mining of our children,
00:40:17.120
how they're being mentally manipulated, how their emotions are being manipulated,
00:40:21.140
all to conform to something that the government is wanting. It sounds like a conspiracy theory,
00:40:25.640
except that the proof is there. We're seeing it in the schools today. We're seeing teachers
00:40:31.460
leaving the schools because they don't want to be a part of it. And then we're seeing those who stay
00:40:37.040
are compromising to it. And so we're just seeing that these programs and these approaches are meant to
00:40:47.340
destroy the family. To tear them apart. You don't have to go to your parents to go to the doctor.
00:40:54.560
We can show you how to do it without your parents' consent or knowledge. It's now called
00:40:59.940
adolescent confidentiality. You know, there's all kinds of terms that they're using, but they're
00:41:06.220
basically wanting to give, quote unquote, our children their own sexual rights, their own rights
00:41:12.180
to be able to do these things without parental knowledge. To liberate. To liberate them from
00:41:16.840
the parent, whether it's a COVID vaccine or other vaccines. We're seeing that parents more and more
00:41:23.980
are being, there's, they're creating a wedge between parents and their children. And so that's one of the
00:41:30.380
reasons I started It Takes a Family many years ago, is I realized that if Planned Parenthood is saying
00:41:36.220
that parents are a barrier to service, what they're really saying is we're afraid of parents.
00:41:40.780
Yeah. We're afraid of families who actually talk to their children and who care about what their,
00:41:45.760
what their children are up to. Parents who actually have a good attachment to their children,
00:41:50.120
that's who they're afraid of. And so that's what we need to be doing is we need to focus back on this
00:41:55.480
issue of fatherlessness. We need to start talking more about, you know, how do we strengthen our
00:42:01.260
marriages? How do we strengthen the role of the wife and the role of the husband? How do they then
00:42:07.240
learn their role as parents? And how do the children understand their role within the family
00:42:12.600
and their purpose and their value within the family? I've met even Christian families who have
00:42:18.940
said, or even asked my permission, Monica, is it okay if I look at my child's phone? Why are families
00:42:26.060
adults or even Christian adults asking if it's okay to look at a child's phone? We obviously have lost
00:42:33.800
our identity or our understanding of what it is to be a parent. And so when we can start
00:42:40.460
strengthening families, not only by understanding our role and our authority and the power that we
00:42:47.300
have, I mean, here's the truth. A lot of times people say, well, you know, kids don't really want
00:42:52.860
to listen to their parents and they're going to roll their eyes and they don't listen to parents
00:42:55.660
anymore. Well, all that is false. Do they roll their eyes? Yes. Do kids really want boundaries
00:43:02.160
being set by their parents because it makes them feel loved? Absolutely. When in college,
00:43:07.320
I also worked at a children's shelter. All these children had been abused and now lived in this
00:43:12.340
home and we were their house parents. And no matter how awful of a history I read on each of those
00:43:20.900
children, there was one thing that that child wanted more than anything else. And it was to go back
00:43:26.260
to mom and dad. It didn't matter what had happened to them. That strong draw to be with your biological
00:43:34.980
parents and to have them love you and protect you is so strong. And I say that to parents every day
00:43:42.020
that within our families as well, our children are waiting for us to lead. They're waiting for us to set
00:43:48.420
boundaries for them. They're waiting for us to have conversations with them. And so that's part of
00:43:54.680
what I do with It Takes a Family is I help parents understand the culture, what is going on,
00:43:59.640
understand the studies so that when the topic comes up, whether they bring it up or their child
00:44:05.280
brings it up, they're able to speak intelligently about what's happening in the world and give their
00:44:10.520
children an answer. Because what we're hearing now is that children are learning at the school about
00:44:16.500
all these different ideologies and they're being told that parents are just outdated, old fashioned,
00:44:23.300
they don't understand. And they're literally coming home and being very demeaning to their parents,
00:44:30.420
acting as though the parents don't know anything. But when a parent can then say, I know a thing or
00:44:35.500
two about this movement or this ideology. And let me tell you more about what happens when someone
00:44:41.240
transitions, because I read in the new Atlantis about this, then all of a sudden you can take your
00:44:45.980
authority back and you can give your child truth. And now they're able to give a proper loving and
00:44:51.980
compassionate response in the world as well. And it's also so important for parents to really be
00:44:57.240
proactive in this rather than reactive, because I do think that you have a leg up as a parent if you
00:45:02.680
are the first one to talk to your kid about something, obviously when it's age appropriate based on their
00:45:08.560
maturity level and you disclose the information that you want to disclose based on the situation,
00:45:13.600
which is another reason why it should be parents introducing these topics,
00:45:18.380
because you do have the authority, you have the best interest of your child's body and mind at heart,
00:45:24.120
and you know particularly where they are. You can know, are their friends already talking about
00:45:30.000
this stuff? Do they have friends that are behaving in this way? Or are they totally not thinking about
00:45:35.800
this stuff at all? Is this not on their radar? And so it's not time for me to talk about that,
00:45:40.240
but really only the parent knows, which is another reason why that is not the role of the state.
00:45:46.480
It's not the role of the school, which unfortunately, that's basically the same,
00:45:50.740
the state and the school right now that is giving this comprehensive sex education. But parents,
00:45:56.180
as you said, having the confidence to talk to their kids about it first, when it is time and when it is
00:46:03.540
appropriate and how it is appropriate is so important because kids are looking for that. They're
00:46:10.880
looking for those parameters. They're looking for someone to give them clarity in a world that is so
00:46:17.420
They are. They're looking for clarity and they're looking for the ideal. I get that a lot from
00:46:22.160
young people in their 20s. Like they're asking Ms. Monica, what is the ideal for marriage? What is the
00:46:27.860
ideal for relationships? What is the ideal for parenting? They want the ideal. They want to know.
00:46:33.660
They want some clarity and they want a good standard. They recognize that comprehensive sex education
00:46:39.260
is not good enough. It's really setting the bar really, really low and they're tired of it. They
00:46:45.420
want real relationships with people. And so, and our children do too. And you're absolutely right,
00:46:50.480
Allie. Only a parent knows what their child is ready to hear. When I was teaching my son,
00:46:57.420
I asked, you know, he would ask a question about his body or where do babies come from? Things like
00:47:01.840
that throughout his life. And I would let him know, I'm going to answer that question
00:47:05.940
as fully as I can for your age right now. You know, the way I think, you know, what you're ready
00:47:11.540
for. I said, but even in my answer, if at any point you don't want to hear anymore, just raise
00:47:17.580
your hand, say, mom, that's enough. And I won't ask you any questions. We'll just move on. And he did
00:47:23.360
that at least three times in his life. Just let me know, mom, that's enough. That's enough. That's
00:47:27.640
enough. And it would be like, you know, three, six months later, he'd ask again. And then he was
00:47:31.940
ready to hear a little bit more. You're not going to get that in the classroom at all. You know,
00:47:37.120
we, we've heard stories of kids fainting in some of these classrooms because it was, it was the image
00:47:42.880
imagery that they were showing them was too much. We've had, you know, cases where kids who've been
00:47:49.100
sexually abused as children who then go through comprehensive sex education and it actually
00:47:54.120
triggers their PTSD because they're talking about things that actually happened to them as little
00:47:59.800
kids. Or we have children who are being abused, who now learn comprehensive sex education in such a
00:48:07.460
quote unquote positive way. And they can't distinguish between what's happening to them as abuse versus
00:48:13.360
that they're supposed to be sexually active at this age and they get very confused. So this does not
00:48:19.420
belong in the schools. Yeah. And I would also just really encourage parents that even if you were
00:48:25.440
to seek out sex education, do not seek out comprehensive sex education. You have to ask
00:48:30.960
yourself, what are your standards? What are your beliefs? Do you have a worldview? I think about this
00:48:37.220
a lot because I didn't really have a strong worldview when I went to college. So then I realized, well,
00:48:42.620
if I did have a strong worldview, then I would know what to base it on. I would know what I would
00:48:49.900
consider to be appropriate or not appropriate for myself. And parents need to be asking themselves
00:48:54.180
those kinds of questions. I think the other thing I tell parents that's really important is just
00:48:58.700
because we teach our children, let's say a Christian standard, God's creation for man and woman,
00:49:05.060
male, female, identity, marriage, family, and sexual intimacy. We need to also recognize that our
00:49:10.840
children are sinful just like we are. And they're on their own journey and they're going to make
00:49:17.480
their own decisions at some point. It's important for us as moms and dads to figure out today,
00:49:23.400
how will I respond if my child does see pornography? How will I respond if this does happen? You know,
00:49:32.480
I've had parents say that, you know, they taught their children about, you know, waiting until marriage
00:49:36.880
and maybe a child decided not to do that. Um, and now all of a sudden they had to face that reality
00:49:43.480
and it wasn't to allow that child to continue in that behavior. If anything, those parents said,
00:49:48.480
well, now we had to set up new boundaries to protect our child from doing that again. And so
00:49:54.560
these are things that parents need to be thinking about because the last thing we want to do is that
00:49:58.740
when our child does fall, that we're going to judge them, get mad at them in such a way
00:50:04.280
that they may shut down altogether. So we want to be able to be proactive to know how
00:50:09.340
to offer forgiveness and grace and new boundaries to help protect our children and help them to grow
00:50:17.440
into adulthood. Yeah. I have a few more questions for you about that, but I do want to back up a little
00:50:23.200
bit and hear more about your journey. Personally, you said that you were seeking God, asking him questions
00:50:29.940
after you stopped volunteering at Planned Parenthood and stopped being a family planning educator.
00:50:36.660
Um, what did that look like? What did the road look like from that to where you are now? That's a big
00:50:42.420
about face. Well, I didn't just teach comprehensive sex education. I adopted the philosophy in my life.
00:50:49.500
So I was a promiscuous young adult. Um, I, I just took on the full philosophy of that. I objectified
00:50:57.040
myself. I objectified other people. Um, I believe Planned Parenthood, when they said it was empowering,
00:51:02.200
that I was an empowered woman, I was independent. I could get mine. Um, it was always also, uh, that
00:51:09.400
men were bad and selfish. And so women had to get theirs and treat them just as selfishly as they
00:51:14.800
treated us. And right. So I believed in all those things. And every time I would fall into a depression
00:51:21.620
because I really didn't like what I was doing, I would then remember all the things that Planned
00:51:28.040
Parenthood told me, you're independent, you're a strong woman. Uh, and that was how I'd make myself
00:51:34.180
feel a little better temporarily. And it never really worked. I say all that to say that I eventually did
00:51:39.480
find myself facing an unplanned pregnancy and I immediately scheduled an abortion because that's
00:51:45.360
what this education teaches. It's an automatic. Um, you don't stop to think this is a child.
00:51:50.780
I'm a mom. You don't think those things. You literally just think, Oh, abortion. Okay. And they
00:51:55.340
train you not to even think about the moral question. And that's still what we hear in the
00:52:01.500
media today. It avoids the moral question or the wrestling that women have and should have when it comes
00:52:08.000
to ending the life of a human being. Right, right. But we're also not teaching people about pregnancy.
00:52:15.300
We're not teaching about fetal development. So that's not in, so in comprehensive sex education,
00:52:21.660
they're not talking about how pregnancy happens and fetal development. You would think that that
00:52:26.860
would make it in the comprehensive part. A little bit, but not in the way that I'm suggesting. In other
00:52:33.160
words, if parents were to really teach their children about pregnancy and that pregnancy means
00:52:38.440
you've become a mom or a dad because you've conceived a child or the woman. So you become
00:52:43.280
a dad, um, or even fetal development so that they understand that life begins at fertilization.
00:52:49.440
If we had some of those things, if we, and this is why we're seeing the, the, you know, like students
00:52:53.860
for life and the younger generation being so powerful with their pro-life message is because
00:52:58.080
through technology, they witnessed their siblings in their mother's wombs, you know, so they got to see
00:53:03.820
that. They got the education that life begins at fertilization. And so they have this respect for
00:53:09.740
life. Um, and so, but when it, through comprehensive sex education, you're not going to see that and
00:53:15.640
you're not going to hear that. You're just going to talk about prevention period. And, um, and I won't
00:53:21.380
share the details of what that looks like unless you want me to, but we talk about it in such a way that
00:53:26.060
you just don't want the sperm to get into the vagina kind of thing. Um, but that's it. And then if it
00:53:32.180
does, you have an abortion. It's literally, that's it. So I scheduled my abortion and, um, I ended up
00:53:40.180
calling a good friend of mine who I had actually gone to an abortion clinic with her in college and
00:53:45.100
she, she had her abortion. Um, it was a horrific event. It took all day, seven in the morning till
00:53:52.900
seven at night. Um, it was, it was a very depressing, horrible experience to be at that abortion
00:54:01.520
clinic in Austin. And this was your abortion or your friend's abortion in college. Right. And so
00:54:07.600
I witnessed her go through that. And so when I scheduled my abortion, she's the first person I
00:54:13.740
called cause I knew she would understand. And so all I knew about abortion from my girlfriends was
00:54:19.360
that they were very quiet about it, but they were also very depressed about it. They just never talked
00:54:24.360
about it. So we would just sit in silence and care for whoever just had the abortion. Um, so I called
00:54:32.160
her, I called her for that weird support to do something that no one really talked about. Validation.
00:54:39.740
Just validation. Yeah. Just, you know, okay, you're going to be good, you know, kind of thing.
00:54:45.100
And at this point she was married and had her first son. And when I told her I was pregnant,
00:54:51.500
she started celebrating on the other end of the phone. And I said, no, no, there, there is no
00:54:57.840
celebrating. I scheduled an abortion. And she was like, Oh, forget about that. And she just continued
00:55:03.040
to like, Allie, do you have a friend that when you talk to her on the phone or in person, you can't
00:55:08.300
get any word in edgewise. Cause she just talks so much. Yeah. And she's really excited. This was my
00:55:13.800
friend. She was so excited that she just would not let me speak. And she just went on and on and on
00:55:18.220
about my baby. And she started to just imagine her as a little, first as a boy and then as a girl.
00:55:25.540
And what if she has your eyes and what if she has your personality and what, you know, a little
00:55:29.020
Moniquita. And she just continued to imagine my child until I started imagining my child.
00:55:36.080
And you hadn't even thought about it really like that. And were you with the father?
00:55:39.720
Um, I had moved in with my boyfriend and I had been disowned by my parents because I moved in
00:55:45.200
with my boyfriend. Cause even though we didn't go to church, we were a traditional family and you do
00:55:50.080
not move in with your boyfriend. So, um, yeah. So all of a sudden I started as she was celebrating
00:55:57.860
on the phone, I started thinking to myself, why am I, why am I doing this? Why? And for the first time,
00:56:03.620
all of a sudden I asked myself, why am I going to kill my baby? And I answered myself, I said, well,
00:56:11.200
my parents just disowned me for moving in with my boyfriend. They're going to be really mad when I
00:56:16.600
tell them I'm pregnant. And I thought, am I really going to kill my child? Cause my parents are going
00:56:21.480
to be mad at me. Like, this is not the last time they're going to be mad at me. And it just, all
00:56:26.480
of a sudden I just changed. And I told my friend, you're right. I'm going to have this baby. And she
00:56:31.680
said, well, of course you are. And so of course I canceled that abortion and, and I did have my son and it
00:56:38.480
was a great pregnancy, but what had happened is that there really wasn't a real commitment in my
00:56:45.780
relationship. And that relationship had been based on a lot of objectification. Um, it was not a solid
00:56:54.080
relationship. It was just kind of more convenient. Did I feel love? Yes. Um, but it was not founded on
00:57:02.580
any kind of commitment and he did not want to be married. Um, and so you feel when you told him,
00:57:09.380
yeah, I'm keeping the baby. Um, he, well, one, he did what, what men are taught to do. Um, he just
00:57:16.580
said, whatever your decision is, I'll support. Yeah. I hear that a lot. And men think that they're
00:57:22.480
being virtuous. Exactly. And so that's what he said. And then when I told him I was going to have the
00:57:28.500
child, he, he was not negative about it at all. Um, he did say, are you sure about this? Cause I'm
00:57:34.640
about to tell my mom and if, and she'll be happy about it. And if you change your mind, it'll devastate
00:57:40.700
her. And I said, no, I, that passivity goes back to the garden of Eden, man. Yeah. Yeah. So it's
00:57:46.200
still passivity. So, but I said, no, I do. I'm going to have this child. And she was, she was very
00:57:50.580
happy. His mother was very happy. Um, but he, the reality of having a child really hit him
00:57:59.020
and he just couldn't handle that. And so by the time my son was two years old, he left
00:58:05.180
and left us on our own. And, um, but what's interesting is that, you know, the relationship
00:58:12.800
wasn't healthy. Um, he was gone most of the time, uh, very unfaithful. Uh, so there was a lot
00:58:19.500
of darkness in our household. And when my son turned a year old, um, in that first year
00:58:25.960
of his life, I had a lot of depression and I sought out a lot of new age things. Um, and
00:58:32.800
then one day I just, it's hard to explain, but I realized that God had been intervening
00:58:39.220
in my life, protecting me and was asking me to be part of his family. And I was, Allie,
00:58:47.120
I was not one of those people who would accept Christ. If you had come up to me and asked
00:58:51.880
me if I knew Jesus, I probably would have cursed you out and told you to get out of
00:58:55.560
my face. You were hostile. I was a very hostile person. I was. And Planned Parenthood, I imagine
00:59:00.160
kind of fosters that and encourages that attitude. They probably see Christians as crazy fundamentalist
00:59:06.120
cruise. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, it's a barrier to service, they might say. Right, right.
00:59:12.040
Yeah. You're judging. Uh, Christians are judging. Um, and so, and in mean and hateful. So, um,
00:59:19.560
I, I only, I only knew of one church in Austin, Texas. There's lots of churches, but I only
00:59:24.100
knew of one. And I went to that church. I took my son with me and I, I accepted the call, uh,
00:59:31.240
by the pastor and I accepted Christ as my, as my savior. And I got home and I told my boyfriend,
00:59:36.800
I said, I think I just got saved. I think that's what that means. And I wasn't sure if it meant
00:59:41.720
that or not. And so every time I went to church, I kept doing the same prayer over and over again,
00:59:46.160
because I was so afraid it didn't stick. Um, but I never left. And so for that first year of being
00:59:52.000
a Christian, my son was with me at church every Sunday. I was in the word every day. And there
00:59:59.040
was such a spiritual battle. And the closer I got to Christ, the worse his father got until finally
01:00:06.060
one day he just left. And I was very devastated. And I was at the park with my son. I was doing all
01:00:13.780
the things that I always did with my son. I was a very devoted mother. Um, that changed me just
01:00:18.300
knowing that I became a mom. I became my own mom. I did everything my mom did, which I, I just was
01:00:23.800
committed to my child. And, uh, it all of a sudden one day at, uh, at a park by myself with my son,
01:00:31.180
I was crying that I was all by myself. And all of a sudden I realized, well, nothing's changed. He
01:00:36.420
was never with us anyway. He didn't play with us. He didn't spend time with us. So, um, I really
01:00:42.840
clung on to Isaiah 54 where God tells us that he is our savior, our redeemer, our husband. I accepted
01:00:49.860
God as being the provider of our, of my little family. And I kept pressing forward and, uh, I had
01:00:57.620
devotionals in my office. I was still working as a comprehensive sex educator. I was actually
01:01:02.500
managing other outreach workers. Um, I, without knowing it, I had, uh, drug users coming into my
01:01:10.580
office, reading my devotionals, um, because they were there cleaning, um, after, you know, after we
01:01:16.880
would leave. And so if I would take a devotional, a lot of them would say, I need you to bring that
01:01:21.180
back because I take a break and I read it. Um, and I just started becoming, and I don't mean this
01:01:28.120
arrogantly, but not knowing I started becoming light and salt in my office. And, uh, and then
01:01:34.380
finally to the point that I, I finally realized I couldn't work there anymore and I had to do
01:01:40.200
something about it. Um, and so it was, it was, it's a, it's a bigger story. Um, but it was a huge
01:01:45.500
journey of needing to, it was really a journey of God saving me from my own self and my own decisions
01:01:54.180
and then offering me that forgiveness of everything I had done, not only to myself,
01:01:59.220
but what I had taught other people in the community. Yeah. And he redeemed what was evil
01:02:05.220
and he's used it for good. And I love that characteristic of God that it's not like he
01:02:11.800
just, he only moved you out of that industry and into something else that would have been
01:02:16.980
fine too. But he literally like turned what you were doing on its head. So he's using all of the
01:02:24.060
experiences that you had before Christ. And rather than just saying, let's forget about that. But
01:02:29.800
no, even more, I'm sure frustrating for Satan using all of those experiences, not to accuse you,
01:02:38.380
but for his glory and for the good of other people. And isn't that what Christ does?
01:02:43.640
And that is full redemption. Yes. When God can use our past to now glorify him and our present
01:02:50.820
and our future and bring others to him. And so that has been an interesting journey to see how he can use
01:02:56.600
me because even in, in church today, there are certain people who are attracted and know that they
01:03:03.860
can come and speak to me, whether they know my story or not, but they know that they're safe with
01:03:08.620
me. And so I'm still working with the marginalized because they feel safe with me. And it's the same
01:03:14.280
love of Christ that I can serve them with. And so if he can forgive me, then I know he can forgive
01:03:18.940
them. Yeah. And so it's, it's been a great journey to see him use my past that I was so ashamed of to
01:03:27.460
Let me just ask is Planned Parenthood and the comprehensive sex education. And gosh,
01:03:34.200
there's so many different facets and so many different people and so much money behind it.
01:03:39.600
All of that world that you left, would you say that it's still doing the same things today,
01:03:45.120
covering up for abusers, grooming children? Is it worse? Is it different?
01:03:50.100
It's absolutely the same. I think that technology has allowed them to do a lot more,
01:03:54.960
but literally the curricula are no different. The comprehensive sex education that we provided
01:04:00.600
in the nineties is exactly what they're providing today. But just on steroids, there's even more.
01:04:08.160
Now we have a maze.com, all these little cartoons that are presented to children.
01:04:13.580
It's incredibly, it's shocking that it's even legal that those videos exist.
01:04:18.980
Right. Um, so they just have the ability to, to go further, but, but so do we, you know,
01:04:25.320
we have the ability to go further as well. Um, but it hasn't changed. They continue to feel
01:04:31.080
the same way. They're, they're not reporting trafficking. Um, they're very proud of what
01:04:37.280
they're doing. Planned Parenthood told me that they were proud to serve pimps and their prostitutes
01:04:41.920
because then where else would they get abortions and who else would provide them with healthcare?
01:04:46.540
So they felt very proud about what they were doing. We're working with people who are very
01:04:52.060
distorted in their mind and in their hearts. Yes. And they don't fully understand what they're
01:04:58.060
doing, but they are, what we need to understand is that they are doing it and they're doing it
01:05:03.280
aggressively and we need to become that barrier to make it stop. Yeah. Everyone is seeking to
01:05:10.240
disciple and indoctrinate your child. If you break down that word indoctrinate, it's just placing your
01:05:16.000
doctrines inside someone. I think that a lot of people say, Oh, all indoctrination is bad. Well,
01:05:21.100
no, some doctrines are good and some doctrines are bad. And actually we should be teaching our
01:05:25.760
doctrines to our children. And if we don't, the world is going to, um, can you just give a final
01:05:31.380
message? We talked, um, a little bit, a little bit ago, you were told that the education that you
01:05:37.960
are giving was compassionate, that it was empathetic and that teaching abstinence and self-control
01:05:43.820
and honoring your body and others' bodies was a form of judgment. I still think that a lot of
01:05:50.020
women, especially moms and Christian women are manipulated by that language today, especially in
01:05:56.080
the abortion debate. We're told, well, if you don't believe in legally killing the child inside the
01:06:01.280
womb, you better be pro comprehensive sex education because we're told that that is what
01:06:07.300
is preventing abuse. That's what's preventing unwanted pregnancies. And the empathetic, kind,
01:06:13.180
loving, even Christ-like thing to do is to present all of these things to kids and to never say
01:06:21.060
something is right or wrong. So what message do you have to Christian women who find themselves
01:06:26.900
manipulated and bullied by what I call toxic empathy?
01:06:31.240
Right. As soon as I left, I learned something very important. There's a big difference between
01:06:39.440
love and compassion in the world and a big difference between love and compassion as a
01:06:43.640
Christian. And, um, in the world, I was very loving and compassionate to the children and to the other
01:06:50.700
adults in the high-risk neighborhoods that I served, but I serve them not with truth. And so when I serve
01:06:58.420
them with love and compassion, I led them down a road of high-risk behavior with this false belief
01:07:05.960
that the condom lubrication was going to work. And because we knew it wouldn't, they would then,
01:07:11.640
we were, they were always encouraged to get tested for diseases and encouraged to come in to have
01:07:15.660
abortions. That is not loving and compassionate. That is leading someone down a dark path of more hurt to
01:07:24.920
their body and to their spirits and their emotions. That's not compassionate. What was compassionate
01:07:31.420
was when God met me where I was at. And see, this is what comprehensive sex educators say that they do
01:07:37.120
meet them where they're at and then serve them. Well, they meet them where they're at and they continue
01:07:43.360
to lead them into high-risk behaviors. God met me where I was at and he loved me and he took me out of that
01:07:51.100
into a better life, a life where I wasn't exposed to disease, a life where my child would not be
01:07:57.380
fatherless. It's, it's, there's a huge difference. So when you're serving with love and compassion
01:08:03.320
and you don't have truth, then you are going to be led a very dark road. And so my message for those
01:08:10.640
women out there who want to express love and compassion by affirming behaviors that are actually
01:08:17.240
harming people, the more you affirm that, the more you ignore it, the more it'll be normalized in your
01:08:24.060
own mind. And that darkness will change you. And that darkness will change your household as well.
01:08:31.360
And so until we know what is true and you understand what standards you're going to choose to follow,
01:08:39.340
your, your, um, the, the path that you go down is going to be very different.
01:08:44.040
Yes. And so if you choose secular humanism and you want to use that as your guide,
01:08:51.380
then you will have to deal with the diseases and the unplanned pregnancies and such. But if you have
01:08:57.720
this other standard of valuing your body, understanding how you were created, then you
01:09:03.300
will have a different path altogether. Yeah. So I think we have to understand that our love and our
01:09:08.900
compassion is guided. The rudder of that is what truth are you believing?
01:09:13.500
Yes. Have you read Love Thy Body by Nancy Pearson?
01:09:16.600
Yes. If you haven't had her on your show yet, I don't know if you have, then you should,
01:09:20.720
because y'all would be wonderful together. But thank you so much for your insight and for sharing
01:09:25.240
your story. You are going to help so many moms and just parents, people, um, today. And I really
01:09:32.080
recommend everyone go subscribe to your show. They can listen to it wherever they listen to podcasts,
01:09:38.760
the Monica Klein show. Um, is there anything else you want to tell people where can they go to find
01:09:43.620
you? Sure. They can also find me at it takes a family.org. Okay. Awesome. Thank you so much,