Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - REPLAY： The Truth About 'Comprehensive Sex Education' ｜ Guest： Monica Cline

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Today we are talking to Monica Klein. She's got 0.98

00:00:06.300 an amazing story, an amazing testimony. She used to be a family planning educator for Planned

00:00:14.200 Parenthood. She was pro-abortion, pro-promiscuity, pro-every-left-wing talking point about sex and 0.97

00:00:23.060 gender and relationships that you can think of. And she went into schools and she educated kids

00:00:28.840 about this. And now God has changed her life and she educates families about how they can disciple

00:00:37.820 their children in what is good and right and true about God's design for gender, for sex,

00:00:44.860 and for the family. So she is going to tell us what really goes on at Planned Parenthood,

00:00:50.700 the ideology that is driving the so-called comprehensive sex education that we are seeing

00:00:57.980 in schools. And then she is also going to tell us how there is a better way, there's a better design,

00:01:03.640 and there is a better way to teach kids about sex. And that really comes down to a parent's

00:01:10.320 responsibility to know what God says about these things and to teach our kids about it. You are

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00:01:48.660 Monica, thank you so much for taking the time to join us. Can you tell everyone who may not know

00:01:53.360 who you are and what you do? Oh, sure. Well, my name is Monica Lial-Klein,

00:01:57.300 and I'm the founder of It Takes a Family. It's an organization where I really teach families how to

00:02:04.040 strengthen from within. Strong moms and dads, or sometimes it might even be a single parent family.

00:02:10.580 I was a single mom for nine years. And so my mission is to strengthen the family, have those

00:02:19.180 parents teaching children God's creation for humanity, their identity, God's purpose for marriage,

00:02:26.280 family, and sexual intimacy, and to really strengthen that attachment within the family to

00:02:31.740 protect those children so that they know how to give an answer out in the world.

00:02:36.460 And you used to be a volunteer educator for Planned Parenthood. You were a Title X family planning

00:02:43.800 training manager. You would go into schools, teach what's called comprehensive sex education. 0.86

00:02:50.620 Tell us, before you tell us what that was like, how did you get into that realm?

00:02:55.680 Yeah. So that was in the 90s, 1990s. That seems like so long ago now.

00:03:01.780 It was. I mean, I was born in the 90s and I'm 30. So yeah, it's a long time ago now.

00:03:07.560 Well, I was graduating from the University of Texas in Austin, and it was during the, you know,

00:03:13.580 HIV epidemic. And so I wanted to do my part in my 20s to change the world and protect people,

00:03:20.620 especially the marginalized. And I had had people very close to me who had died because of getting

00:03:27.020 HIV and turning into AIDS and they passed on. And so I decided that I was going to volunteer

00:03:33.320 at an HIV organization that was doing prevention education in high risk communities. And as soon

00:03:39.900 as I volunteered and really got into public health education and training, I thought it was really

00:03:44.880 fascinating. And I excelled at it and I was quickly hired. And so I became an HIV prevention educator

00:03:53.760 in Austin, Texas. And I, you know, primarily our job was to reach out to people who were living high

00:04:01.360 risk lifestyles, men who have sex with men, as well as women of childbearing age. And, and I, my job was

00:04:08.740 literally to walk the streets 40 hours a week in high risk neighborhoods, um, and talk about HIV,

00:04:15.300 hand out condoms and give referrals to Planned Parenthood or to the STD clinic. Uh, or also,

00:04:21.520 you know, once people found out their diagnosis, if they were HIV positive to get them to case

00:04:26.460 management and to healthcare. Okay. And how would you describe your worldview at this point? I know

00:04:33.720 you're a Christian now, were you a Christian then? You know, I wasn't, I was, uh, I'm, I'm Hispanic.

00:04:39.960 I'm Mexican American. And really in my family, we're a very conservative, traditional Mexican

00:04:46.340 American family. And I was baptized as a Catholic. Um, and, but I never attended church. My parents

00:04:53.580 didn't take us to church. Uh, they gave me a big white Bible and said, God exists. Here are the

00:04:58.620 Ten Commandments. Uh, they're good rules to live by. And that was pretty much it. Um, I saw my grandma,

00:05:04.980 you know, praying in front of a statue of Jesus, lighting candles. Um, but I didn't really understand

00:05:10.720 who God is or was, and I didn't understand who Jesus was. I just saw really in the Catholic faith,

00:05:18.020 the symbolism. I just saw this man on a crucifix. I didn't, you know, it looks sad to me. So I didn't

00:05:23.080 realize that Jesus was God and that he was strong. Um, and so really if I had a worldview, it was my

00:05:32.000 own conservative family. And what I mean by conservative is that my parents were each other's

00:05:36.320 best friends. They were with each other all the time. They were very devoted to their children.

00:05:41.060 We were all together all the time. Uh, they were wonderful parents. Um, but I didn't really know what

00:05:47.740 a godly wife or godly husband was supposed to look like. Uh, we never talked about, uh, whether I should

00:05:53.900 date. And if I did what that would look like, uh, we never talked about whether if I would get married

00:06:00.060 and if I did, well, what kind of man I should marry, you know? So we didn't talk about those kinds of

00:06:05.300 things. Um, a lot of it was that we were in poverty. Uh, my dad had cancer and we were, I would say that

00:06:12.580 we were a very strong, loving family, but we were in survival mode. So really talking about the future

00:06:19.880 and, and marriage and things like that, we didn't really talk about those things.

00:06:25.660 Yeah. So by the time I left that little farm town and went to UT Austin, I was very easily molded by

00:06:32.420 the world. Um, and so by the time I started, um, volunteering at this HIV organization, I,

00:06:40.220 I was just really moved by compassion, by love. I wanted to help people. Um, and in this realm of

00:06:48.760 comprehensive sex education or public health education, really the belief is that you accept

00:06:53.440 all things. You don't judge anybody. Um, you just serve everyone equally. Um, and so I was really

00:07:01.240 taught to accept every lifestyle, every behavior, nothing was wrong. Just since we're talking about

00:07:07.780 sex education, I was just taught, just teach them how to do things safer, learn about their sexual

00:07:14.040 behavior and then just teach them how to do it safer and then refer them to testing because

00:07:18.700 inevitably they will get a disease and they'll have to get tested early in order to treat. Um,

00:07:24.420 so it really wasn't about avoiding risky behavior. It was very much about accepting all behavior and

00:07:32.640 really just kind of giving it a bandaid. Like here's, here's a little bit of a hope use a condom

00:07:39.700 lubrication, but get tested. Yeah. And when you started working with Planned Parenthood,

00:07:46.900 I've heard you say before that even at Planned Parenthood, you wanted, or you kind of felt the urge

00:07:54.100 to tell the young people that you were mentoring and educating with comprehensive sex education

00:07:59.600 about abstinence and about the importance of not having multiple sexual partners. And yet your hand

00:08:09.740 was kind of slapped and you were told, Nope, that's not what we do here. So tell us a little more about

00:08:13.920 that. Yeah. I think the reason I reacted that way is because, you know, the way I was raised,

00:08:20.000 I was always supervised by my parents. Um, it wasn't something that I grew up seeing young children

00:08:26.820 being sexually active. Um, it wasn't an expectation and I didn't see that happening.

00:08:32.140 So when Planned Parenthood and the way I got to Planned Parenthood was through this organization

00:08:37.480 that I was working with, the HIV prevention organization, they said, you need to go to

00:08:41.340 Planned Parenthood so they can teach you how to give this same sex ed message, but to children.

00:08:46.080 And so that's when Planned Parenthood started to mentor me. And they gave me all those case studies

00:08:51.440 of children as girls as young as 10 coming into the clinic. Um, and it's pretty graphic, Allie. I mean,

00:08:57.860 from not only concerned about being pregnant, getting tested for pregnancy and disease, getting

00:09:03.740 abortions and even removing, uh, toys from their bodies. Um, and it was really, really horrendous.

00:09:10.360 And to me, when you're saying a 10 year old girl coming in with these, you know, in these scenarios,

00:09:15.820 that sounds like abuse to me. Right. Uh, and so obviously we need to intervene. We need to find

00:09:21.260 out who's abusing her. Is she in a environment where this has become normalized and now she's

00:09:27.080 consenting? Is she being trafficked? Is she being trafficked? You know, so all of that was going

00:09:32.340 through my mind and immediately, uh, the director of sex education of Planned Parenthood of greater

00:09:37.640 Austin, Texas in that, you know, at that time. And this is still in the nineties. This is in the nineties.

00:09:42.920 Yeah. She just patted me on the knee and she said, no, honey, this is what they want. And we're not

00:09:48.200 going to teach them not to have sex. We're just going to teach them how to do it safer. 0.70

00:09:52.940 And she said, this is what they want. So she wasn't concerned at all about consent or about who

00:10:00.080 might be doing this. She was concerned about consent, but this is how they're concerned about

00:10:05.700 consent, Allie. She's saying these girls are consenting. It's what they want. And then, 0.91

00:10:12.920 this is why I take such an issue with consent language and consent education, because it's

00:10:18.300 been twisted by comprehensive sex education. So they love the word consent. Consenting is I

00:10:24.360 consent to do something. I say yes to something. So what they're really teaching our children

00:10:28.700 when they talk about consent is how do you give a yes? And so in their eyes, multiple times,

00:10:34.960 not just during this time when this, um, director was teaching me, I heard from multiple clinics that

00:10:41.640 these young minor girls who are having sex with adult men were consenting that it's what they 0.97

00:10:48.120 wanted, which is why they would not report it and why they said they were not concerned.

00:10:53.580 Right. Um, and so, and I, yeah, I've said that before, which of course, a lot of progressives get

00:10:59.480 angry at this, that consent is not enough when you're talking about virtue, when you're talking about

00:11:04.140 whether something is right or wrong, the simplicity or the simplistic idea of consent,

00:11:10.200 a yes or a no is not enough. But basically she was saying, yes, it is. If they say yes,

00:11:16.180 it really doesn't matter. The scenario don't ask, don't tell. Right.

00:11:20.060 It was very much a don't ask, don't tell. Um, and so when I later on, when I became a title 10

00:11:27.180 training manager and I was teaching them about human trafficking and statutory rape and that it

00:11:31.400 was now a federal offense, Planned Parenthood said, um, I told, you know, they, they kept telling me

00:11:36.960 like, Monica, they want this. This is what these young girls want. They want to be with adult men. 1.00

00:11:41.020 They didn't care if it was a 30 year old guy raping. Of course, that's the language I would 0.78

00:11:45.980 use. They might say having sex with a 10 year old girl. They didn't care. 1.00

00:11:49.680 No, they didn't. Uh, this was in Corpus Christi. Uh, it was multiple, uh, Planned Parenthoods from the

00:11:55.780 Southern area of Texas. And they assured me, I was teaching them on a key concept of their grant

00:12:02.100 about human trafficking and that they needed to identify victims of human trafficking so that they

00:12:06.800 could report them. Have my long history with Planned Parenthood at that time. I knew that they

00:12:12.060 were not reporting statutory rape because they were very much believing that these girls were consenting.

00:12:18.380 And so when they pushed back on not wanting to report it, I pushed back as well and said, well,

00:12:24.740 it doesn't matter what your opinion is about whether they're consenting or not. The truth is,

00:12:28.720 is that these girls are minors. You know, they're having sex with adults. You are responsible for 1.00

00:12:33.820 reporting it, whether you agree with it or not. And that's when they said, Monica, if we don't ask,

00:12:39.240 we don't have to tell. If I don't ask the age of her partner, I don't have to report it. Yeah. And so

00:12:44.560 they knew what they were doing. They still know what they're doing. And, and it's, and Allie,

00:12:50.500 it's really that their worldview is very distorted. So their, their view of our children,

00:12:54.880 their view of sex is all very distorted. So they feel very justified in what they're doing.

00:13:02.500 They think we're the ones that are being judgmental and they don't see that they're

00:13:07.120 actually enabling the trafficking of young girls. Yeah. And let's back up a little bit. So when you

00:13:12.680 started with Planned Parenthood as a volunteer educator, you first kind of came in and you said,

00:13:19.900 okay, well, great. I'm going to teach these nine and 10 year old girls about abstinence. That's what's 1.00

00:13:24.000 going to protect them. They patted you on the knee and said, no, no, that's not what we're doing.

00:13:28.620 Tell us what it looked like after that. You did, you started going into schools and you started

00:13:32.900 teaching what Planned Parenthood wanted you to teach. And what was that exactly?

00:13:37.600 Yeah. I, I believe this educator, you know, this director, and I, I stepped back and I thought,

00:13:43.700 well, the government is funding Planned Parenthood. This woman's obviously a professional.

00:13:47.640 Um, I didn't have, it must be right. So I, I went ahead and did it. And, um, I think one of the

00:13:54.820 first times that I, uh, taught young girls, and this, this is one that I haven't actually spoken

00:14:01.560 about publicly before. Um, I was with my coworker who was more seasoned than me. And, uh, we had these

00:14:11.120 girls in middle school and, uh, we, we, we didn't actually teach in the school. It was in a separate

00:14:17.420 location. I don't remember if it was a club or not a nightclub, but you know, just a separate

00:14:22.020 building, a separate location. And one of the things that I remember about that particular teaching

00:14:27.940 was the role playing. And so when parents talk about, uh, or people talk about what condom

00:14:34.180 demonstrations really look like, um, and what communication skills looks like, like if you look

00:14:40.220 at a curriculum, they say, Oh, this is community. You know, we're teaching them healthy relationships

00:14:43.540 and communication skills. This is what it really is. What it is, is when we taught them how to use

00:14:48.580 a condom and this is just all girls, we sexualize it. It has to become eroticized. And so we tell the 0.97

00:14:54.900 girls that, um, back then I was telling the girls that many times their sexual partners may, and we

00:15:01.860 always use gender neutral language. So we always said your sexual partner, even back then, back then

00:15:07.280 we're using gender neutral language. So we basically said, you may have a sexual partner that doesn't

00:15:12.880 want to use a condom. They're going to say it doesn't feel good. They don't want to use it, but

00:15:17.040 you need to convince them to use that, which means that you're going to have to learn how to use this

00:15:20.940 condom, how to put it on yourself and take charge. Um, but you can also make it feel good. And so then

00:15:28.600 we would teach them how to eroticize it, how to put it on in an erotic way, how to make sure it feels

00:15:33.640 good just in putting it on nine as young as nine year old girls. Yeah, this was middle school and

00:15:39.960 high school. And so I guess the justification that a lot of sex educators give is that while

00:15:46.260 they're already doing it, they're already thinking about it. They're already talking about it. We're

00:15:51.080 just teaching them how to do all these things in a safe way, but in your safe quote unquote. Um,

00:15:57.680 but in your experience, I mean, are nine and 10 year old girls thinking about this already,

00:16:02.920 or are sex educators putting these ideas and these scenarios into their minds?

00:16:08.540 It gets put into their minds. They're not thinking those things already. They really are not. Um,

00:16:13.860 I think especially back then in the nineties before the, you know, what we have now with the internet,

00:16:19.480 um, they really were not thinking those things. These things were all new to them. And I would say

00:16:24.540 that there's still even some girls today where a lot of this is very new to them. Um, you know,

00:16:30.420 the next step after teaching them that was to teach them how to talk about it, how to eroticize

00:16:35.720 it through role playing. Um, if, if the sexual partner gave this reason why he didn't want to

00:16:41.640 use it, how could she in a fun way, you know, you know, respond so that he would want to. Um,

00:16:49.360 and so, and, and then we would make them role play that with each other so that they would practice

00:16:53.800 the language. And so what I tell parents today is listen, this is just, it's not just showing them

00:16:58.860 a condom. It's them actually doing the motions and using it. Uh, and then from there it's doing

00:17:06.580 the role playing. So now they're acting it out. Now they're also speaking it. So this is all just

00:17:11.220 really the grooming process of teaching them how to do this to make sure that when they're in that

00:17:16.400 situation, that's what they've practiced. Well, that's what they're going to do. I mean,

00:17:21.280 you're going to do what you practice. If I invite you to come over with your girlfriend so I can

00:17:25.800 teach you how to bake a chocolate cake, I expect that when you leave my house, you're going to go

00:17:30.680 home and bake a chocolate cake. And so it's the same thing with comprehensive sex education.

00:17:35.900 You know, a lot of them are saying, you know, comprehensive sex educators like, oh, we're not

00:17:39.140 teaching them to have sex. That's still their choice. But really that is exactly what's, what's 0.70

00:17:44.280 coming. And there's studies that show that, you know, where there's polls of kids who say that they do

00:17:48.980 feel pressured to become sexually active after going through comprehensive sex education. And

00:17:55.240 because they believe that that is now the expectation. That's what I've been taught.

00:17:59.180 And as I continue to teach teens, at one point, the teens actually responded that way. They actually

00:18:06.460 told me that. There was a situation with, and I don't know if you've heard this particular story, but

00:18:12.160 I was teaching these kids in an alternative school. And again, middle school, about 13 years old.

00:18:17.480 And it was boys and girls. And I did the usual, you know, I would walk in, there was a whiteboard,

00:18:24.120 and I would list the different forms of sex, anal, vaginal, oral. So right away, the kids are 0.99

00:18:28.900 thinking, okay, well, those are the three things I'm supposed to do. Then I wrote down the three

00:18:33.300 bodily fluids that transmit HIV or other STDs. So blood, semen, and vaginal secretions. So now,

00:18:39.800 okay, I'm going to be in contact with blood and all of those things. We're having the conversation

00:18:44.960 about transmission and how to reduce the risk by using condoms, lubrication, things like that.

00:18:51.920 And a little girl raises her hand, and she asks me, and I'll clean up her language, but even, 1.00

00:18:58.700 you know, it'll still sound graphic. She just basically said, you know, when I'm involved in

00:19:03.160 this sexual activity, I gag. Can you teach me how to do it better? And that, even then,

00:19:09.820 I had heard so many stories from adults on the street, everywhere. I mean, I had heard it all.

00:19:16.420 But, you know, when you hear a little girl say something like that to you, even me, maybe not

00:19:21.620 another sex educator, but it really did take me aback. I was just very, yeah, it was very jarring.

00:19:28.320 So I repeated the question to her because I wanted her to hear what she had said,

00:19:33.740 and then clarify what she thought about it. And so I said, okay, what I hear you saying is that

00:19:39.400 when you're involved in this activity, you have this reaction, and you don't like that reaction.

00:19:44.940 She said, that's right. I don't like it. But if you teach me how to do it better, maybe I will.

00:19:50.300 And then I said, have you ever considered just not doing the thing that you don't like?

00:19:56.180 If you don't like it, you don't have to do it. Let's start there. And all those kids turned around

00:20:02.700 and looked at me, and they didn't look judged. They didn't look like they had just shut down

00:20:08.460 and put up a wall because Planned Parenthood always says, or anyone in comprehensive sex education, 1.00

00:20:13.040 SICUS, Advocates for Youth, it doesn't matter. They're all the same.

00:20:17.480 They always said, if you say anything like that, you're going to make them feel judged,

00:20:21.860 and they're just going to shut down, and they're not going to share with you anymore.

00:20:25.360 Well, these kids didn't look shut down. They just looked at me like, whoa, tell us more about that.

00:20:29.620 Yeah. Like maybe they were relieved that, hey, another option is that you don't have to do any

00:20:34.520 of these things. And you can actually eliminate the risk altogether. Because when you only present

00:20:39.900 the risks, you think, well, this is inevitable. I mean, these are the risks, and I'm going to engage

00:20:45.720 in it. And these are just the risks that I have to choose from. But you can actually choose not to

00:20:49.820 put yourself at risk at all. And basically, you were told you're not allowed to tell them the no

00:20:54.780 risk option. Exactly. Because it's not loving. It's not compassionate. And it's judging. It's

00:21:01.640 not empathetic. So they really guilt you into thinking that you can't teach kids the best for

00:21:07.300 them. So when I noticed their response, I said, guys, do you realize you don't have to have sex at

00:21:13.820 all? Do you realize? And I pointed at the board. I said, you don't have to have anal sex, oral sex,

00:21:18.640 or vaginal sex. And if you don't, then I pointed to the board again, you won't be in contact with 1.00

00:21:24.040 anyone's blood, semen or vaginal secretions. And if you don't, then you don't have to worry about

00:21:29.600 disease or pregnancy. And the little girl, the same little girl raised her hand again. And she said,

00:21:36.100 ma'am, no one's ever told us that. Wow. And what was really interesting is these kids literally

00:21:43.400 huddled together and started talking about ways that they could avoid sex. They didn't use the word

00:21:48.500 abstinence. And they didn't say, let's avoid sex. They just started to talk about things that they

00:21:53.940 could do with each other that didn't have to do with touching each other's private parts.

00:21:58.800 Like, you know, this was in a community that was very poor and they had a community center and

00:22:05.120 government housing and they had free movies and snacks. And so that was one of the suggestions that

00:22:09.640 the kids made is let's go to the community center and watch free movies and snacks.

00:22:14.520 And then it's just incredible that this is like a novel idea to them. Yeah. That they could actually

00:22:21.580 like prolong their innocence by doing things that kids are supposed to be doing. Was this a light

00:22:25.800 bulb moment for you? You know, it was. I wouldn't say that it was when I changed completely, but it

00:22:31.960 really was. And these kids came up with amazing ideas of how to practice abstinence without using the

00:22:38.940 word abstinence. They actually came up with ideas that Planned Parenthood would not call,

00:22:45.300 you know, I don't know if you've ever seen Planned Parenthood talk about abstinence, but they talk about

00:22:48.900 things like, oh, if you want to abstain from sex, you can do mutual masturbation. You can touch over 0.75

00:22:54.480 your clothes. Like these kids were talking about watching movies, playing basketball. Amazing. A little

00:23:00.340 girl did pull away from the group and came up to me and she whispered and she said, I can't do what 1.00

00:23:05.260 they're doing. And I said, well, why not? And she said, well, because I'm already sexually active and

00:23:11.580 everyone expects me to do it. So now I can't stop. It was part of her identity. It was part of our

00:23:16.200 identity. But the fact that she came up to me and said that what she was really doing, and this is what

00:23:23.400 as adults we can see in our children, she was really asking me if that was true. Yeah. And I said, honey, no one

00:23:32.640 can tell you that you have to be sexually active. I assured her that she could stop having sex and 0.95

00:23:38.260 not have sex again ever if she didn't ever want to do it again or until she got married until she

00:23:44.060 decided. And she smiled brightly and joined the group. Yeah. These kids are waiting for us to lead.

00:23:53.040 They're waiting for their parents to lead. They're waiting to hear any voice of authority to tell them

00:24:00.380 you don't have to be involved in these high risk activities. Yeah. And Ali, you know, this consent

00:24:06.580 education has me worried. And I know it has a lot of people worried, but I want, I just mentioned this

00:24:12.740 to some parents the other day. What's happening with consent education and the law are two things.

00:24:19.220 The more that comprehensive sex educators talk about consent with children or teach children consent,

00:24:26.400 we're normalizing the idea that children can even consent to sex. Our laws based on our morality

00:24:33.780 is that children cannot consent to sex until they are adults. Right. So the matter what, it does not

00:24:41.220 matter. Exactly. If they say that they consent to it or whatever the predator says to justify that kind of

00:24:49.540 interaction, they cannot consent because they don't have the capacity really to do so. That is what our

00:24:56.260 law says. And that is why we have the law because they don't have the capacity to make that kind of

00:25:02.220 decision and the consequences of those decisions. So it's, it's a good law. So why are we teaching

00:25:08.460 children how to have sex through comprehensive sex education? If the law says that they're not even

00:25:13.660 allowed to consent to sex, why are we teaching them to consent when the law says they can't consent?

00:25:20.260 And a big part of that is because it's starting to normalize it in the community. So now the teachers,

00:25:25.500 the parents, whomever, legislators are believing, oh, well, if we're teaching consent, then maybe we

00:25:31.280 need to adjust the law. And then, so now we see California reducing the age of consent to 14.

00:25:37.620 A 14 year old now, and it was specifics, Representative Wiener passed this because he 0.68

00:25:43.800 specifically said that there was young gay boys who were having sex with adult gay men and it shouldn't 0.85

00:25:51.480 be illegal. Yeah. I mean, that was really the premise of it. And in addition to that, it was also 0.97

00:25:57.100 that if the gap was just 10 years, then that adult would not have to, does not have to register as a

00:26:04.220 sex offender in the state of California. So we're even talking about a 20 year old and a 10 year old.

00:26:09.460 We're talking about a 25 year old and a 15 year old. If the gap is only 10 years says, yes,

00:26:16.040 his name is Wiener and it's just wild, but that's what his bill now law says that you don't have to

00:26:22.080 register for a sex offender as long as the gap is 10 years. And he did specifically say that this is

00:26:27.620 advocacy that he's doing on behalf of the LGBTQ community, which again, is kind of a tell, right? 0.95

00:26:35.960 It is, it is. And, and I think that that, that is one of the things that I'm telling parents as

00:26:43.520 they're working with legislators and I want legislators to understand the more we normalize

00:26:49.140 consent language and education to our children and to the public in general, and in our, in our public

00:26:56.280 health initiatives, we are now giving permission for those kinds of laws. So if we're used to believing

00:27:02.880 that children can consent to sex and that children truly have sexual rights to sexual pleasure as 0.87

00:27:08.820 minors, then why won't a state legislator pass consent laws that reduces the age of consent and

00:27:17.080 all it's doing is giving predators a lot more ammunition, a lot more protection to be attacking

00:27:25.800 our children and harming our children. Um, and so, you know, I talked to a friend of mine who's a, 0.99

00:27:32.040 a survivor of human trafficking and she now is a counselor and she counsels young girls that have

00:27:37.780 been rescued from human trafficking. And I asked her about consent language and she admitted to me

00:27:42.720 that she couldn't speak out against consent language because she'd be fired because even in the

00:27:48.460 trafficking community, they talk about consent. And I said, obviously consent is good. It's been

00:27:53.920 twisted. Right. I mean, obviously consent is a good thing, especially, you know, when we're talking

00:27:58.180 about like to adults, like, I mean, of course we believe in consent and consent is important. The

00:28:04.200 point is that it is being used as the exclusive gauge of good and bad sexual interaction that as

00:28:14.620 long as someone consents, then everything else is regardless of age. Right. Well, it was interesting.

00:28:21.360 The more we talked, she said, well, Monica, I'll admit that when I work with the girls who've been 1.00

00:28:27.780 rescued from trafficking, I actually don't teach them consent. I teach them refusal skills. She said,

00:28:35.860 I teach them how to say no with no justification, a powerful no, and that they don't have to give a

00:28:44.680 reason why they say no. Yeah. And she said in the trafficking community, traffickers are masters

00:28:52.780 at getting the children to consent. And she's like, and you see it, you see a young child leave school

00:29:01.920 and on their own, go to wherever the trafficker told them to go to be with an adult and then go home and

00:29:10.820 then go to school the next day. And it, and they're consenting to it. Um, there's a book called

00:29:16.140 Pimpology. Not that I want to advertise that, but it's literally a pimp who wrote a book, a how-to book

00:29:21.900 on how to be a pimp. And he's really serious about it. And he, in that book also talks about that, about

00:29:27.220 how he can get women to do whatever he wants. They are consenting and they're loyal. And so this

00:29:34.720 consent or the tactic of consent, or however we want to use that term, has been twisted into

00:29:41.340 something that it should have never been. But it's something that we need to be very careful about

00:29:46.100 as we're looking at legislation, as we're looking at education standards, because currently the way

00:29:53.740 the national sex education standards and, and all the organizations that adopt those standards are

00:29:59.800 using consent are actually very dangerous for our children. And we need to look out for that.

00:30:05.520 When you mentioned that you mentioned on your site and you've mentioned here, 40% of students say

00:30:11.480 that they feel pressured teens say that their federally funded sex education program made them

00:30:16.620 feel pressured to have sex. What we know about all people, but in particular kids whose minds are just

00:30:22.460 more malleable than the adult mind, is that the power of suggestion is really strong. You suggest an idea

00:30:31.140 that they weren't considering before, whether it's an innocent idea, like, hey, do you want a cupcake? They

00:30:36.740 can't stop thinking about that. They weren't thinking about it before. They would have been satisfied with

00:30:40.940 their broccoli, but now you've suggested the cupcake. That's all they can think about. And so it's the same

00:30:45.980 thing, of course, with even more kind of like tantalizing subjects. You're suggesting things to the

00:30:52.460 kids, it gets in their head. And I have also said this about things like so-called gender identity.

00:30:58.680 We kind of hear the same thing that, oh, well, a kindergarten teacher needs to be talking to these

00:31:04.500 young kids about different forms of sexuality and orientation and different pronouns and different

00:31:10.900 identities, because it's natural for them to be thinking about these things anyway. And, oh, we're just

00:31:16.280 educating them. We're just showing them the options. Another word that is used very often that I think

00:31:21.860 is a Trojan horse, kind of like the newfangled form of consent, is inclusion. We're just being

00:31:28.500 inclusive. We're teaching empathy. In reality, you are putting kids down a path of confusion that I

00:31:35.900 think probably causes a lot of psychological distress, if not physical distress down the line.

00:31:42.080 Is that what you're seeing as well?

00:31:44.180 Yeah. So, you know, comprehensive sex education and the approach of it, it is very much sexualization.

00:31:51.860 And so, as you're talking about, you know, different orientations, what I, you know, the CDC actually,

00:31:58.620 I'm very protective of youth who have same-sex attracted. The CDC says that children who have

00:32:05.220 same-sex attraction or identify with same-sex attraction are actually at higher risk of getting

00:32:10.740 diseases, having sexual violence. They're at higher risk than their heterosexual peers.

00:32:17.780 My belief is, in order to protect those children as well, we need to also teach them how to avoid

00:32:26.340 sex. It doesn't matter, if you just want to take a public health approach to this, 0.53

00:32:32.540 it doesn't matter what the child, how the child is attracted. The truth is, is that all children

00:32:39.960 deserve to be protected from sexualization. And what I witnessed in, you know, the HIV prevention

00:32:46.620 group that I worked with was a gay organization. And so I spent many years just in the gay community,

00:32:53.280 and I would help out at the different teen groups. And every teen gay group or LGBT group

00:33:00.800 always had a big glass bowl of condoms, a big glass bowl of lubrication, and a catalog to good

00:33:07.980 vibrations, sex toys. And these are all children. And they're being sexualized. And they're, and it is 0.57

00:33:16.620 very predatory. And I don't believe that any child, regardless of how they identify, should be put into a

00:33:25.000 position where they are being sexualized, and, and shown that this is what's expected of them.

00:33:31.780 It's not right. Our children deserve to be children. So, you know, and that's just a public

00:33:38.020 health approach. Yeah. But at the same time, you know, these are moral issues. There's, there are many

00:33:44.500 people that I work with that say, Monica, don't make this a moral issue. Well, it is a moral issue.

00:33:48.620 It is a moral issue. It is a moral issue. The national sex education standards are based on morality.

00:33:54.380 It is a secular worldview. Right. It's someone's worldview. It is secular humanism.

00:33:59.640 And it is a moral issue. And so we, the truth is, is that our families are diverse. Every family has

00:34:07.960 different morality. And it's not the school's job or the government's job to be pushing that kind of

00:34:15.260 morality on other families. Our public school system should be about math and science and history.

00:34:22.160 It's not about morality and emotions and mental health. Yeah, that that is not their role. It's

00:34:29.260 not their lane. And they're overstepping. And really, they're causing more damage to our children

00:34:34.440 and families than they are helping. Yeah, you raise a really good point. Very often, we hear all forms of

00:34:40.880 public education and the history that's being taught, the sexual education that's being taught,

00:34:46.880 that we're told that it's just, it's neutral. But really, there is no neutrality when it comes to

00:34:53.020 this. Everything speaks to a particular worldview, especially when you're talking about something

00:34:57.960 like sex, the comprehensive sexual education curriculum that is in schools, as you said,

00:35:05.320 speaks to the worldview of the people that's like those that you first interacted with when you kind of

00:35:12.200 entered this realm back in the 90s. People who think that consent is just a simple yes,

00:35:20.420 and that needs to be taught to children, the don't ask, don't tell. People who apparently think that

00:35:25.380 the innocence of children is just kind of a myth. And is it something to be protected that sex is just 0.99

00:35:31.820 like any other behavior? You do it, there are some medication strategies that you can put into place,

00:35:37.020 but hey, have your fill, does it really matter? So it really goes back to what they believe about

00:35:44.280 human beings, what they believe about human nature, what they believe about morality, that is directly

00:35:50.800 opposed to what we believe as Christians, that all people are made in the image of God, no matter who

00:35:55.320 they are. Therefore, they have value. Therefore, what happens to their body matters. But if you believe

00:36:00.460 that we're just clumps of cells, which Planned Parenthood obviously does, then of course, why would you care?

00:36:06.640 About someone's behavior and how it leads to destruction. So everything speaks to a worldview.

00:36:12.780 And your particular position is that parents are the ones who are supposed to be discipling their kids

00:36:18.660 in this kind of thing. They're the ones who are supposed to be implementing their worldview, correct?

00:36:24.100 It is, absolutely. And I came to that conclusion after I finally left that field of work. And I was

00:36:31.040 really seeking out God for answers. And one of the things that he reminded me of...

00:36:35.480 Let me pause. What was the tipping point? What made you leave?

00:36:40.100 Well, okay. So I shared the story of, you know, teaching the Planned Parenthood in South Texas,

00:36:47.640 in Corpus Christi. And that was really my last straw, when I saw multiple Planned Parenthoods

00:36:53.960 admitting to me that they did not believe girls who were being preyed on by adult men for sex

00:37:00.280 were not victims of human trafficking, and that they wanted it, and that perhaps they were even

00:37:05.100 satisfied by it. That was my last straw. I went back to my office, told my supervisor about that,

00:37:11.840 let her know that they refused to protect victims of human trafficking. She got mad at me, told me if

00:37:17.160 I wasn't pro-choice, which is interesting that she used those words. If I wasn't pro-choice,

00:37:21.080 I didn't belong there.

00:37:22.220 And you weren't even talking about abortion.

00:37:23.520 I wasn't. But, you know, Allie, it's all linked together.

00:37:26.900 Yeah.

00:37:27.380 Because sex education, as you were just saying earlier, about how we view our bodies and our

00:37:32.980 identities, comprehensive sex education that espouses or does espouse and adopts the national

00:37:40.280 sex education standards is very much about our bodies don't mean anything. Everything is about 0.94

00:37:46.800 sexual pleasure. And if you go through their standards, that's all it's about. It's anything

00:37:51.800 goes kind of mentality from birth to tomb. And so what I teach people today.

00:37:57.420 From before birth. I mean, really before birth, when you think about it.

00:38:01.460 That's true.

00:38:01.860 I mean, it is all connected for sure.

00:38:04.300 Yeah. But what happens is that when we teach our children comprehensive sex education,

00:38:08.940 and we teach them that their bodies are just things, and that you just kind of push some

00:38:14.180 buttons to get some kind of pleasure out of it, you're really teaching our children how to

00:38:18.480 dehumanize each other. And that's what they're doing. They're objectifying themselves. They're

00:38:23.160 objectifying one another. And then it becomes a natural next step to dehumanize the preborn 1.00

00:38:28.600 child through abortion. And so it's all connected. There's a reason why Planned Parenthood is also one

00:38:34.260 of the largest providers of sex education. It's their marketing tool for abortion. You have to groom. 0.99

00:38:41.020 And hormone therapy now.

00:38:43.140 All connected. But it also says that the body doesn't matter, that you can identify and say

00:38:48.020 who you are, no matter what your body says.

00:38:50.280 Exactly. And all of it is to destroy God's creation for humanity, and marriage, and identity, 0.91

00:38:57.680 and family, and sexual intimacy. It's a direct attack on his creation. And so we see this happening.

00:39:04.740 And we go back and we start to wonder, you know, how is this happening? Why is it that family is so

00:39:11.140 important? And that's one of the first things that God showed me is that he reminded me of something

00:39:15.680 that Planned Parenthood would always tell me at the various conferences that I went to where I was

00:39:20.240 training them. And they would always say, Monica, parents are a barrier to service. As soon as a parent

00:39:27.000 knows that their kid is coming to a Planned Parenthood, we never see that kid again, because their

00:39:32.180 parents take them out. Parents are a barrier to service. Parents are a barrier to service. And

00:39:36.440 Allie, you're going to see this language in legislation. So now with the trans movement and

00:39:42.920 wanting to transition children's bodies with puberty blockers and surgery, the bills literally say that

00:39:50.200 parents are a barrier to the health care of their children. We're going to start to see this in

00:39:55.520 mental health bills as well, that the government or the school knows better, and that parents are

00:40:01.140 really a barrier. And a lot of this, and I don't know if you've watched The Mind Polluters,

00:40:06.460 and it's a film that I'm in as well, but we really talk about how this is happening in the

00:40:12.060 schools with sex education, social emotional learning, the data mining of our children,

00:40:17.120 how they're being mentally manipulated, how their emotions are being manipulated,

00:40:21.140 all to conform to something that the government is wanting. It sounds like a conspiracy theory,

00:40:25.640 except that the proof is there. We're seeing it in the schools today. We're seeing teachers

00:40:31.460 leaving the schools because they don't want to be a part of it. And then we're seeing those who stay

00:40:37.040 are compromising to it. And so we're just seeing that these programs and these approaches are meant to

00:40:47.340 destroy the family. To tear them apart. You don't have to go to your parents to go to the doctor.

00:40:54.560 We can show you how to do it without your parents' consent or knowledge. It's now called

00:40:59.940 adolescent confidentiality. You know, there's all kinds of terms that they're using, but they're

00:41:06.220 basically wanting to give, quote unquote, our children their own sexual rights, their own rights

00:41:12.180 to be able to do these things without parental knowledge. To liberate. To liberate them from

00:41:16.840 the parent, whether it's a COVID vaccine or other vaccines. We're seeing that parents more and more

00:41:23.980 are being, there's, they're creating a wedge between parents and their children. And so that's one of the

00:41:30.380 reasons I started It Takes a Family many years ago, is I realized that if Planned Parenthood is saying

00:41:36.220 that parents are a barrier to service, what they're really saying is we're afraid of parents.

00:41:40.780 Yeah. We're afraid of families who actually talk to their children and who care about what their,

00:41:45.760 what their children are up to. Parents who actually have a good attachment to their children,

00:41:50.120 that's who they're afraid of. And so that's what we need to be doing is we need to focus back on this

00:41:55.480 issue of fatherlessness. We need to start talking more about, you know, how do we strengthen our

00:42:01.260 marriages? How do we strengthen the role of the wife and the role of the husband? How do they then 0.64

00:42:07.240 learn their role as parents? And how do the children understand their role within the family

00:42:12.600 and their purpose and their value within the family? I've met even Christian families who have

00:42:18.940 said, or even asked my permission, Monica, is it okay if I look at my child's phone? Why are families

00:42:26.060 adults or even Christian adults asking if it's okay to look at a child's phone? We obviously have lost 0.53

00:42:33.800 our identity or our understanding of what it is to be a parent. And so when we can start

00:42:40.460 strengthening families, not only by understanding our role and our authority and the power that we

00:42:47.300 have, I mean, here's the truth. A lot of times people say, well, you know, kids don't really want

00:42:52.860 to listen to their parents and they're going to roll their eyes and they don't listen to parents

00:42:55.660 anymore. Well, all that is false. Do they roll their eyes? Yes. Do kids really want boundaries

00:43:02.160 being set by their parents because it makes them feel loved? Absolutely. When in college,

00:43:07.320 I also worked at a children's shelter. All these children had been abused and now lived in this

00:43:12.340 home and we were their house parents. And no matter how awful of a history I read on each of those

00:43:20.900 children, there was one thing that that child wanted more than anything else. And it was to go back

00:43:26.260 to mom and dad. It didn't matter what had happened to them. That strong draw to be with your biological

00:43:34.980 parents and to have them love you and protect you is so strong. And I say that to parents every day

00:43:42.020 that within our families as well, our children are waiting for us to lead. They're waiting for us to set

00:43:48.420 boundaries for them. They're waiting for us to have conversations with them. And so that's part of

00:43:54.680 what I do with It Takes a Family is I help parents understand the culture, what is going on,

00:43:59.640 understand the studies so that when the topic comes up, whether they bring it up or their child

00:44:05.280 brings it up, they're able to speak intelligently about what's happening in the world and give their

00:44:10.520 children an answer. Because what we're hearing now is that children are learning at the school about

00:44:16.500 all these different ideologies and they're being told that parents are just outdated, old fashioned,

00:44:23.300 they don't understand. And they're literally coming home and being very demeaning to their parents,

00:44:30.420 acting as though the parents don't know anything. But when a parent can then say, I know a thing or

00:44:35.500 two about this movement or this ideology. And let me tell you more about what happens when someone

00:44:41.240 transitions, because I read in the new Atlantis about this, then all of a sudden you can take your

00:44:45.980 authority back and you can give your child truth. And now they're able to give a proper loving and

00:44:51.980 compassionate response in the world as well. And it's also so important for parents to really be

00:44:57.240 proactive in this rather than reactive, because I do think that you have a leg up as a parent if you

00:45:02.680 are the first one to talk to your kid about something, obviously when it's age appropriate based on their

00:45:08.560 maturity level and you disclose the information that you want to disclose based on the situation,

00:45:13.600 which is another reason why it should be parents introducing these topics,

00:45:18.380 because you do have the authority, you have the best interest of your child's body and mind at heart,

00:45:24.120 and you know particularly where they are. You can know, are their friends already talking about

00:45:30.000 this stuff? Do they have friends that are behaving in this way? Or are they totally not thinking about

00:45:35.800 this stuff at all? Is this not on their radar? And so it's not time for me to talk about that,

00:45:40.240 but really only the parent knows, which is another reason why that is not the role of the state.

00:45:46.480 It's not the role of the school, which unfortunately, that's basically the same,

00:45:50.740 the state and the school right now that is giving this comprehensive sex education. But parents,

00:45:56.180 as you said, having the confidence to talk to their kids about it first, when it is time and when it is

00:46:03.540 appropriate and how it is appropriate is so important because kids are looking for that. They're

00:46:10.880 looking for those parameters. They're looking for someone to give them clarity in a world that is so

00:46:15.840 chaotic and confusing.

00:46:17.420 They are. They're looking for clarity and they're looking for the ideal. I get that a lot from

00:46:22.160 young people in their 20s. Like they're asking Ms. Monica, what is the ideal for marriage? What is the

00:46:27.860 ideal for relationships? What is the ideal for parenting? They want the ideal. They want to know.

00:46:33.660 They want some clarity and they want a good standard. They recognize that comprehensive sex education

00:46:39.260 is not good enough. It's really setting the bar really, really low and they're tired of it. They

00:46:45.420 want real relationships with people. And so, and our children do too. And you're absolutely right,

00:46:50.480 Allie. Only a parent knows what their child is ready to hear. When I was teaching my son,

00:46:57.420 I asked, you know, he would ask a question about his body or where do babies come from? Things like

00:47:01.840 that throughout his life. And I would let him know, I'm going to answer that question

00:47:05.940 as fully as I can for your age right now. You know, the way I think, you know, what you're ready

00:47:11.540 for. I said, but even in my answer, if at any point you don't want to hear anymore, just raise

00:47:17.580 your hand, say, mom, that's enough. And I won't ask you any questions. We'll just move on. And he did

00:47:23.360 that at least three times in his life. Just let me know, mom, that's enough. That's enough. That's

00:47:27.640 enough. And it would be like, you know, three, six months later, he'd ask again. And then he was

00:47:31.940 ready to hear a little bit more. You're not going to get that in the classroom at all. You know,

00:47:37.120 we, we've heard stories of kids fainting in some of these classrooms because it was, it was the image

00:47:42.880 imagery that they were showing them was too much. We've had, you know, cases where kids who've been

00:47:49.100 sexually abused as children who then go through comprehensive sex education and it actually

00:47:54.120 triggers their PTSD because they're talking about things that actually happened to them as little

00:47:59.800 kids. Or we have children who are being abused, who now learn comprehensive sex education in such a

00:48:07.460 quote unquote positive way. And they can't distinguish between what's happening to them as abuse versus

00:48:13.360 that they're supposed to be sexually active at this age and they get very confused. So this does not

00:48:19.420 belong in the schools. Yeah. And I would also just really encourage parents that even if you were

00:48:25.440 to seek out sex education, do not seek out comprehensive sex education. You have to ask

00:48:30.960 yourself, what are your standards? What are your beliefs? Do you have a worldview? I think about this

00:48:37.220 a lot because I didn't really have a strong worldview when I went to college. So then I realized, well,

00:48:42.620 if I did have a strong worldview, then I would know what to base it on. I would know what I would

00:48:49.900 consider to be appropriate or not appropriate for myself. And parents need to be asking themselves

00:48:54.180 those kinds of questions. I think the other thing I tell parents that's really important is just

00:48:58.700 because we teach our children, let's say a Christian standard, God's creation for man and woman,

00:49:05.060 male, female, identity, marriage, family, and sexual intimacy. We need to also recognize that our

00:49:10.840 children are sinful just like we are. And they're on their own journey and they're going to make

00:49:17.480 their own decisions at some point. It's important for us as moms and dads to figure out today,

00:49:23.400 how will I respond if my child does see pornography? How will I respond if this does happen? You know,

00:49:32.480 I've had parents say that, you know, they taught their children about, you know, waiting until marriage

00:49:36.880 and maybe a child decided not to do that. Um, and now all of a sudden they had to face that reality

00:49:43.480 and it wasn't to allow that child to continue in that behavior. If anything, those parents said,

00:49:48.480 well, now we had to set up new boundaries to protect our child from doing that again. And so

00:49:54.560 these are things that parents need to be thinking about because the last thing we want to do is that

00:49:58.740 when our child does fall, that we're going to judge them, get mad at them in such a way

00:50:04.280 that they may shut down altogether. So we want to be able to be proactive to know how

00:50:09.340 to offer forgiveness and grace and new boundaries to help protect our children and help them to grow

00:50:17.440 into adulthood. Yeah. I have a few more questions for you about that, but I do want to back up a little

00:50:23.200 bit and hear more about your journey. Personally, you said that you were seeking God, asking him questions

00:50:29.940 after you stopped volunteering at Planned Parenthood and stopped being a family planning educator.

00:50:36.660 Um, what did that look like? What did the road look like from that to where you are now? That's a big

00:50:42.420 about face. Well, I didn't just teach comprehensive sex education. I adopted the philosophy in my life.

00:50:49.500 So I was a promiscuous young adult. Um, I, I just took on the full philosophy of that. I objectified

00:50:57.040 myself. I objectified other people. Um, I believe Planned Parenthood, when they said it was empowering,

00:51:02.200 that I was an empowered woman, I was independent. I could get mine. Um, it was always also, uh, that

00:51:09.400 men were bad and selfish. And so women had to get theirs and treat them just as selfishly as they 0.99

00:51:14.800 treated us. And right. So I believed in all those things. And every time I would fall into a depression

00:51:21.620 because I really didn't like what I was doing, I would then remember all the things that Planned

00:51:28.040 Parenthood told me, you're independent, you're a strong woman. Uh, and that was how I'd make myself

00:51:34.180 feel a little better temporarily. And it never really worked. I say all that to say that I eventually did

00:51:39.480 find myself facing an unplanned pregnancy and I immediately scheduled an abortion because that's 0.83

00:51:45.360 what this education teaches. It's an automatic. Um, you don't stop to think this is a child.

00:51:50.780 I'm a mom. You don't think those things. You literally just think, Oh, abortion. Okay. And they

00:51:55.340 train you not to even think about the moral question. And that's still what we hear in the

00:52:01.500 media today. It avoids the moral question or the wrestling that women have and should have when it comes 1.00

00:52:08.000 to ending the life of a human being. Right, right. But we're also not teaching people about pregnancy.

00:52:15.300 We're not teaching about fetal development. So that's not in, so in comprehensive sex education,

00:52:21.660 they're not talking about how pregnancy happens and fetal development. You would think that that

00:52:26.860 would make it in the comprehensive part. A little bit, but not in the way that I'm suggesting. In other

00:52:33.160 words, if parents were to really teach their children about pregnancy and that pregnancy means

00:52:38.440 you've become a mom or a dad because you've conceived a child or the woman. So you become 0.95

00:52:43.280 a dad, um, or even fetal development so that they understand that life begins at fertilization.

00:52:49.440 If we had some of those things, if we, and this is why we're seeing the, the, you know, like students

00:52:53.860 for life and the younger generation being so powerful with their pro-life message is because

00:52:58.080 through technology, they witnessed their siblings in their mother's wombs, you know, so they got to see

00:53:03.820 that. They got the education that life begins at fertilization. And so they have this respect for

00:53:09.740 life. Um, and so, but when it, through comprehensive sex education, you're not going to see that and

00:53:15.640 you're not going to hear that. You're just going to talk about prevention period. And, um, and I won't

00:53:21.380 share the details of what that looks like unless you want me to, but we talk about it in such a way that 0.99

00:53:26.060 you just don't want the sperm to get into the vagina kind of thing. Um, but that's it. And then if it 1.00

00:53:32.180 does, you have an abortion. It's literally, that's it. So I scheduled my abortion and, um, I ended up

00:53:40.180 calling a good friend of mine who I had actually gone to an abortion clinic with her in college and

00:53:45.100 she, she had her abortion. Um, it was a horrific event. It took all day, seven in the morning till

00:53:52.900 seven at night. Um, it was, it was a very depressing, horrible experience to be at that abortion

00:54:01.520 clinic in Austin. And this was your abortion or your friend's abortion in college. Right. And so

00:54:07.600 I witnessed her go through that. And so when I scheduled my abortion, she's the first person I 0.94

00:54:13.740 called cause I knew she would understand. And so all I knew about abortion from my girlfriends was

00:54:19.360 that they were very quiet about it, but they were also very depressed about it. They just never talked

00:54:24.360 about it. So we would just sit in silence and care for whoever just had the abortion. Um, so I called

00:54:32.160 her, I called her for that weird support to do something that no one really talked about. Validation.

00:54:39.740 Just validation. Yeah. Just, you know, okay, you're going to be good, you know, kind of thing.

00:54:45.100 And at this point she was married and had her first son. And when I told her I was pregnant,

00:54:51.500 she started celebrating on the other end of the phone. And I said, no, no, there, there is no

00:54:57.840 celebrating. I scheduled an abortion. And she was like, Oh, forget about that. And she just continued

00:55:03.040 to like, Allie, do you have a friend that when you talk to her on the phone or in person, you can't

00:55:08.300 get any word in edgewise. Cause she just talks so much. Yeah. And she's really excited. This was my

00:55:13.800 friend. She was so excited that she just would not let me speak. And she just went on and on and on

00:55:18.220 about my baby. And she started to just imagine her as a little, first as a boy and then as a girl.

00:55:25.540 And what if she has your eyes and what if she has your personality and what, you know, a little

00:55:29.020 Moniquita. And she just continued to imagine my child until I started imagining my child.

00:55:36.080 And you hadn't even thought about it really like that. And were you with the father?

00:55:39.720 Um, I had moved in with my boyfriend and I had been disowned by my parents because I moved in

00:55:45.200 with my boyfriend. Cause even though we didn't go to church, we were a traditional family and you do

00:55:50.080 not move in with your boyfriend. So, um, yeah. So all of a sudden I started as she was celebrating

00:55:57.860 on the phone, I started thinking to myself, why am I, why am I doing this? Why? And for the first time,

00:56:03.620 all of a sudden I asked myself, why am I going to kill my baby? And I answered myself, I said, well, 0.93

00:56:11.200 my parents just disowned me for moving in with my boyfriend. They're going to be really mad when I

00:56:16.600 tell them I'm pregnant. And I thought, am I really going to kill my child? Cause my parents are going 0.99

00:56:21.480 to be mad at me. Like, this is not the last time they're going to be mad at me. And it just, all

00:56:26.480 of a sudden I just changed. And I told my friend, you're right. I'm going to have this baby. And she

00:56:31.680 said, well, of course you are. And so of course I canceled that abortion and, and I did have my son and it

00:56:38.480 was a great pregnancy, but what had happened is that there really wasn't a real commitment in my

00:56:45.780 relationship. And that relationship had been based on a lot of objectification. Um, it was not a solid

00:56:54.080 relationship. It was just kind of more convenient. Did I feel love? Yes. Um, but it was not founded on

00:57:02.580 any kind of commitment and he did not want to be married. Um, and so you feel when you told him,

00:57:09.380 yeah, I'm keeping the baby. Um, he, well, one, he did what, what men are taught to do. Um, he just

00:57:16.580 said, whatever your decision is, I'll support. Yeah. I hear that a lot. And men think that they're

00:57:22.480 being virtuous. Exactly. And so that's what he said. And then when I told him I was going to have the

00:57:28.500 child, he, he was not negative about it at all. Um, he did say, are you sure about this? Cause I'm

00:57:34.640 about to tell my mom and if, and she'll be happy about it. And if you change your mind, it'll devastate

00:57:40.700 her. And I said, no, I, that passivity goes back to the garden of Eden, man. Yeah. Yeah. So it's

00:57:46.200 still passivity. So, but I said, no, I do. I'm going to have this child. And she was, she was very

00:57:50.580 happy. His mother was very happy. Um, but he, the reality of having a child really hit him

00:57:59.020 and he just couldn't handle that. And so by the time my son was two years old, he left

00:58:05.180 and left us on our own. And, um, but what's interesting is that, you know, the relationship

00:58:12.800 wasn't healthy. Um, he was gone most of the time, uh, very unfaithful. Uh, so there was a lot

00:58:19.500 of darkness in our household. And when my son turned a year old, um, in that first year

00:58:25.960 of his life, I had a lot of depression and I sought out a lot of new age things. Um, and

00:58:32.800 then one day I just, it's hard to explain, but I realized that God had been intervening

00:58:39.220 in my life, protecting me and was asking me to be part of his family. And I was, Allie,

00:58:47.120 I was not one of those people who would accept Christ. If you had come up to me and asked

00:58:51.880 me if I knew Jesus, I probably would have cursed you out and told you to get out of 0.99

00:58:55.560 my face. You were hostile. I was a very hostile person. I was. And Planned Parenthood, I imagine 0.99

00:59:00.160 kind of fosters that and encourages that attitude. They probably see Christians as crazy fundamentalist 0.98

00:59:06.120 cruise. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, it's a barrier to service, they might say. Right, right. 0.99

00:59:12.040 Yeah. You're judging. Uh, Christians are judging. Um, and so, and in mean and hateful. So, um, 1.00

00:59:19.560 I, I only, I only knew of one church in Austin, Texas. There's lots of churches, but I only

00:59:24.100 knew of one. And I went to that church. I took my son with me and I, I accepted the call, uh,

00:59:31.240 by the pastor and I accepted Christ as my, as my savior. And I got home and I told my boyfriend,

00:59:36.800 I said, I think I just got saved. I think that's what that means. And I wasn't sure if it meant

00:59:41.720 that or not. And so every time I went to church, I kept doing the same prayer over and over again,

00:59:46.160 because I was so afraid it didn't stick. Um, but I never left. And so for that first year of being

00:59:52.000 a Christian, my son was with me at church every Sunday. I was in the word every day. And there

00:59:59.040 was such a spiritual battle. And the closer I got to Christ, the worse his father got until finally

01:00:06.060 one day he just left. And I was very devastated. And I was at the park with my son. I was doing all

01:00:13.780 the things that I always did with my son. I was a very devoted mother. Um, that changed me just

01:00:18.300 knowing that I became a mom. I became my own mom. I did everything my mom did, which I, I just was

01:00:23.800 committed to my child. And, uh, it all of a sudden one day at, uh, at a park by myself with my son,

01:00:31.180 I was crying that I was all by myself. And all of a sudden I realized, well, nothing's changed. He

01:00:36.420 was never with us anyway. He didn't play with us. He didn't spend time with us. So, um, I really

01:00:42.840 clung on to Isaiah 54 where God tells us that he is our savior, our redeemer, our husband. I accepted

01:00:49.860 God as being the provider of our, of my little family. And I kept pressing forward and, uh, I had

01:00:57.620 devotionals in my office. I was still working as a comprehensive sex educator. I was actually

01:01:02.500 managing other outreach workers. Um, I, without knowing it, I had, uh, drug users coming into my

01:01:10.580 office, reading my devotionals, um, because they were there cleaning, um, after, you know, after we

01:01:16.880 would leave. And so if I would take a devotional, a lot of them would say, I need you to bring that

01:01:21.180 back because I take a break and I read it. Um, and I just started becoming, and I don't mean this

01:01:28.120 arrogantly, but not knowing I started becoming light and salt in my office. And, uh, and then

01:01:34.380 finally to the point that I, I finally realized I couldn't work there anymore and I had to do

01:01:40.200 something about it. Um, and so it was, it was, it's a, it's a bigger story. Um, but it was a huge

01:01:45.500 journey of needing to, it was really a journey of God saving me from my own self and my own decisions

01:01:54.180 and then offering me that forgiveness of everything I had done, not only to myself,

01:01:59.220 but what I had taught other people in the community. Yeah. And he redeemed what was evil

01:02:05.220 and he's used it for good. And I love that characteristic of God that it's not like he

01:02:11.800 just, he only moved you out of that industry and into something else that would have been

01:02:16.980 fine too. But he literally like turned what you were doing on its head. So he's using all of the

01:02:24.060 experiences that you had before Christ. And rather than just saying, let's forget about that. But

01:02:29.800 no, even more, I'm sure frustrating for Satan using all of those experiences, not to accuse you,

01:02:38.380 but for his glory and for the good of other people. And isn't that what Christ does?

01:02:43.640 And that is full redemption. Yes. When God can use our past to now glorify him and our present

01:02:50.820 and our future and bring others to him. And so that has been an interesting journey to see how he can use

01:02:56.600 me because even in, in church today, there are certain people who are attracted and know that they

01:03:03.860 can come and speak to me, whether they know my story or not, but they know that they're safe with

01:03:08.620 me. And so I'm still working with the marginalized because they feel safe with me. And it's the same

01:03:14.280 love of Christ that I can serve them with. And so if he can forgive me, then I know he can forgive

01:03:18.940 them. Yeah. And so it's, it's been a great journey to see him use my past that I was so ashamed of to

01:03:25.480 now glorify him and help other people.

01:03:27.460 Let me just ask is Planned Parenthood and the comprehensive sex education. And gosh,

01:03:34.200 there's so many different facets and so many different people and so much money behind it.

01:03:39.600 All of that world that you left, would you say that it's still doing the same things today,

01:03:45.120 covering up for abusers, grooming children? Is it worse? Is it different?

01:03:50.100 It's absolutely the same. I think that technology has allowed them to do a lot more,

01:03:54.960 but literally the curricula are no different. The comprehensive sex education that we provided

01:04:00.600 in the nineties is exactly what they're providing today. But just on steroids, there's even more.

01:04:08.160 Now we have a maze.com, all these little cartoons that are presented to children.

01:04:13.580 It's incredibly, it's shocking that it's even legal that those videos exist.

01:04:18.980 Right. Um, so they just have the ability to, to go further, but, but so do we, you know,

01:04:25.320 we have the ability to go further as well. Um, but it hasn't changed. They continue to feel

01:04:31.080 the same way. They're, they're not reporting trafficking. Um, they're very proud of what

01:04:37.280 they're doing. Planned Parenthood told me that they were proud to serve pimps and their prostitutes 0.98

01:04:41.920 because then where else would they get abortions and who else would provide them with healthcare? 1.00

01:04:46.540 So they felt very proud about what they were doing. We're working with people who are very

01:04:52.060 distorted in their mind and in their hearts. Yes. And they don't fully understand what they're

01:04:58.060 doing, but they are, what we need to understand is that they are doing it and they're doing it

01:05:03.280 aggressively and we need to become that barrier to make it stop. Yeah. Everyone is seeking to

01:05:10.240 disciple and indoctrinate your child. If you break down that word indoctrinate, it's just placing your

01:05:16.000 doctrines inside someone. I think that a lot of people say, Oh, all indoctrination is bad. Well,

01:05:21.100 no, some doctrines are good and some doctrines are bad. And actually we should be teaching our

01:05:25.760 doctrines to our children. And if we don't, the world is going to, um, can you just give a final

01:05:31.380 message? We talked, um, a little bit, a little bit ago, you were told that the education that you

01:05:37.960 are giving was compassionate, that it was empathetic and that teaching abstinence and self-control

01:05:43.820 and honoring your body and others' bodies was a form of judgment. I still think that a lot of

01:05:50.020 women, especially moms and Christian women are manipulated by that language today, especially in

01:05:56.080 the abortion debate. We're told, well, if you don't believe in legally killing the child inside the

01:06:01.280 womb, you better be pro comprehensive sex education because we're told that that is what 1.00

01:06:07.300 is preventing abuse. That's what's preventing unwanted pregnancies. And the empathetic, kind,

01:06:13.180 loving, even Christ-like thing to do is to present all of these things to kids and to never say

01:06:21.060 something is right or wrong. So what message do you have to Christian women who find themselves 0.83

01:06:26.900 manipulated and bullied by what I call toxic empathy?

01:06:31.240 Right. As soon as I left, I learned something very important. There's a big difference between

01:06:39.440 love and compassion in the world and a big difference between love and compassion as a

01:06:43.640 Christian. And, um, in the world, I was very loving and compassionate to the children and to the other

01:06:50.700 adults in the high-risk neighborhoods that I served, but I serve them not with truth. And so when I serve

01:06:58.420 them with love and compassion, I led them down a road of high-risk behavior with this false belief

01:07:05.960 that the condom lubrication was going to work. And because we knew it wouldn't, they would then,

01:07:11.640 we were, they were always encouraged to get tested for diseases and encouraged to come in to have

01:07:15.660 abortions. That is not loving and compassionate. That is leading someone down a dark path of more hurt to 0.98

01:07:24.920 their body and to their spirits and their emotions. That's not compassionate. What was compassionate

01:07:31.420 was when God met me where I was at. And see, this is what comprehensive sex educators say that they do

01:07:37.120 meet them where they're at and then serve them. Well, they meet them where they're at and they continue

01:07:43.360 to lead them into high-risk behaviors. God met me where I was at and he loved me and he took me out of that

01:07:51.100 into a better life, a life where I wasn't exposed to disease, a life where my child would not be

01:07:57.380 fatherless. It's, it's, there's a huge difference. So when you're serving with love and compassion

01:08:03.320 and you don't have truth, then you are going to be led a very dark road. And so my message for those

01:08:10.640 women out there who want to express love and compassion by affirming behaviors that are actually 0.67

01:08:17.240 harming people, the more you affirm that, the more you ignore it, the more it'll be normalized in your

01:08:24.060 own mind. And that darkness will change you. And that darkness will change your household as well.

01:08:31.360 And so until we know what is true and you understand what standards you're going to choose to follow,

01:08:39.340 your, your, um, the, the path that you go down is going to be very different.

01:08:44.040 Yes. And so if you choose secular humanism and you want to use that as your guide,

01:08:51.380 then you will have to deal with the diseases and the unplanned pregnancies and such. But if you have

01:08:57.720 this other standard of valuing your body, understanding how you were created, then you

01:09:03.300 will have a different path altogether. Yeah. So I think we have to understand that our love and our

01:09:08.900 compassion is guided. The rudder of that is what truth are you believing?

01:09:13.500 Yes. Have you read Love Thy Body by Nancy Pearson?

01:09:16.340 I have.

01:09:16.600 Yes. If you haven't had her on your show yet, I don't know if you have, then you should,

01:09:20.720 because y'all would be wonderful together. But thank you so much for your insight and for sharing

01:09:25.240 your story. You are going to help so many moms and just parents, people, um, today. And I really

01:09:32.080 recommend everyone go subscribe to your show. They can listen to it wherever they listen to podcasts,

01:09:38.760 the Monica Klein show. Um, is there anything else you want to tell people where can they go to find

01:09:43.620 you? Sure. They can also find me at it takes a family.org. Okay. Awesome. Thank you so much,

01:09:48.500 Monica. Thanks, Allie.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 05, 2023

REPLAY： The Truth About 'Comprehensive Sex Education' ｜ Guest： Monica Cline

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