RFK Jr. The Defender - American Secrets with Sean Stone

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today's guest is my friend Sean Stone.

00:00:04.000 Sean has done a million things on every important subject that I care about, from pollution to transhumanism to the rise of totalitarianism to censorship and on and on and on.

00:00:17.000 He has directed the documentaries, among many, many, many other accomplishments, which I'm not going to read out his whole CV here because it's enormous, but he's directed the documentaries, A Century of War, Hollywood DC, and Meta Human with Deepak Chopra.

00:00:36.000 He also produced the documentary, The Paradigm of Money, about Wall Street corruption and collusion with the U.S. government.

00:00:44.000 His limited docu-series, Best Kept Secret, explores the dark side of the Western elite's manipulation and control of humanity.

00:00:53.000 His short film, Singularity, is a dystopian warning about a plague that leads to a totalitarian surveillance state, so that was pretty prescient.

00:01:05.000 Sean is host of the reality show, Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura.

00:01:10.000 The interview program, Buzzsaw, formerly on Gaia TV. And the RT news show, Watching the Hawks.

00:01:20.000 And I think that's where I first met you.

00:01:23.000 Of course, I've known your father, Oliver Stone, for many, many years.

00:01:27.000 And you, the apple, did not fall far from the tree.

00:01:31.000 And I'm hoping to have him on here.

00:01:33.000 I talked to him yesterday.

00:01:35.000 I'm hoping to have him done it when he gets back into the country.

00:01:38.000 Let's talk about RTTA because I think both you and I are deeply concerned about the rise of the surveillance state and an ancillary to that, which is the use of mass propaganda.

00:01:54.000 And really, the The very worrying phenomena that we have, a generation of young people in this country that does not seem to be equipped to defend themselves against propaganda.

00:02:14.000 Susceptible to manipulation, are very easy about compliance, are kind of the opposite of the college generation of the 60s, which was defiant, which was skeptical, which was uncompliant.

00:02:28.000 And we have a generation of cancel culture of people who appear to be, you know, easily retreating into authoritarian society.

00:02:39.000 The warm embrace of safe totalitarian systems and orderly totalitarian systems, which I think you and I grew up with a profound fear and cynicism and skepticism about the growth of those bodies.

00:02:59.000 So let's begin by talking about The expulsion, essentially, of RT America, which is Russian TV, which is, at some level, a propaganda project by Putin.

00:03:16.000 But at the same time, it was a place where you could go and really see narratives that challenge the official orthodoxies in the United States, which is critical in a democracy.

00:03:28.000 My father said, My uncle believed that all speech should be uncensored and that we ought to, our ideas here in this country ought to welcome challenge, we ought to welcome debate, we ought to, if we could not triumph in the marketplace of ideas and we didn't deserve to defend those systems.

00:03:51.000 Here we have this kind of unity that's propagandist, a monolith coming from CNN on the one hand and Fox News on the other, both of which are owned by BlackRock, which also controls all these military industrial...

00:04:07.000 Amazing, isn't it?

00:04:09.000 It's really remarkable.

00:04:10.000 ...now going to get 13.5 billion, which we are going to give to Zelensky, and they're going to give it back.

00:04:15.000 Right, right.

00:04:17.000 BlackRock, you know, which is barraging us with this propaganda wall.

00:04:22.000 It's not new, though.

00:04:23.000 Let's hear it, because I just talked a lot more than I thought I was going to.

00:04:27.000 Well, it's such a big thing to unpack what you said.

00:04:30.000 I mean...

00:04:31.000 I remember seeing a study a couple of years ago, maybe 2020 it was, and they were surveying, maybe it was before 2020, because obviously there was a shutdown, but they were surveying college students and there was this sort of unprecedented amount of people saying the First Amendment should not be total free speech, you know, it should not be totally free, that there should be some level of restriction on it or, you know, censorship.

00:04:53.000 And especially we've seen that grow when it comes to, I've seen studies showing that Democrats in particular are in favor of Governments and or big corporations, big tech, basically, the Democrats tend to be more in favor of censorship, you know, against misinformation.

00:05:09.000 It's remarkable.

00:05:10.000 Stunning.

00:05:11.000 Yes.

00:05:13.000 Yes, and as you mentioned, I mean, I came of age in the 90s, you know, late 80s, early 90s.

00:05:20.000 I remember very well the propaganda of I think?

00:05:41.000 Basically, being given the biological chemical weapons that ultimately were used, they were given, obviously, by us in Western Europe to fight the Iran. 0.94

00:05:49.000 Obviously, there was a lot of collusion between us and Saddam since the early days.

00:05:53.000 In fact, he was arguably a CIA puppet at the beginning, and certain aspects of his policies were, how do you say, our government was blessing them all the way through the Iran-Iraq war.

00:06:06.000 And then, of course, the narrative shifted by the time of the Kuwait invasion, again, a lot deeper than what they tell you on television, a lot more issues involved, including slant drilling, you know, the Kuwaitis involved in slant drilling into Iraq, and Iraq basically having this huge debt that they owed the Arab world and the West for fighting this war,

00:06:24.000 presumably they thought on behalf of the Arab world against Iran, and all of a sudden their allies, presumable allies, turned against them, and they Iraq was left in a very difficult position, and Islam had this weaponry and this artillery that had been sold to him, and the Americans said, hey, we take no issue.

00:06:37.000 Remember, April Gillespie, the diplomat, said, oh, we have no issue between, we take no side or take no issue with your issue with Kuwait, basically, and it's a tacit Agreement, not, you know, that's again, this is one of many factors.

00:06:50.000 So I just remember the propaganda sold to us.

00:06:53.000 We basically, Rumpusfeld's direction, we basically greenlighted his invasion of Kuwait and then went to war with him over it.

00:07:03.000 Right, right.

00:07:04.000 I wanted to say one thing at the outset of this.

00:07:07.000 Neither you nor I think that Vladimir Putin or Saddam Hussein are good guys.

00:07:13.000 Sure.

00:07:13.000 That has nothing to do with that.

00:07:14.000 What I think both of us feel that we need to look at is this pension of America to be the police person of the world.

00:07:23.000 We go from emergency to emergency, crisis to crisis, war to war.

00:07:27.000 We've been out of Afghanistan for, what, three months, and it's the longest war in our history, and now we're going back to war again.

00:07:36.000 And a lot of this propaganda assault is very reminiscent of what happened with Saddam Hussein.

00:07:43.000 And after that, all the New York Times, the Washington Post, they all had to apologize.

00:07:50.000 not looking skeptically at the runway to the war, at this yellow journalism and partaking part in it and getting us involved at which that point in history was regarded as the worst foreign policy blunder in American history.

00:08:05.000 It cost us $3 trillion and killed more people and died at the World Trade Center.

00:08:11.000 It had nothing to do with it. - Yeah, I don't know that Iraq is worse than Vietnam.

00:08:16.000 I think that's arguable.

00:08:18.000 I think even arguably the First World War, I think is actually our biggest, I would argue our biggest foreign policy was the First World War because they were all empires.

00:08:26.000 At the end of the day, it wasn't like the German Empire was worse than the British Empire. 0.60

00:08:29.000 The British Empire had a quarter of the planet under their rule.

00:08:31.000 They killed You know, in terms of their policies and their, you know, whether it was in India with famines or in Africa with their, you know, extraction, exploitation policies.

00:08:40.000 I mean, these were not kind empires.

00:08:42.000 The British was not a sweet empire.

00:08:43.000 We just happened to have JP Morgan had the, you know, had lent, I don't know, hundreds of millions of dollars at the time.

00:08:48.000 I mean, essentially billions of dollars in our current currency to the British and the French to fight the war.

00:08:54.000 And we had to make sure that they didn't lose it.

00:08:55.000 But fundamentally, I don't think that we should have been involved in that conflict.

00:08:59.000 I think America, according to the tradition of the 19th century, going back to Washington, no entangling alliances, recognizing that Europe is full of various faction and we are not to be holden to the British Empire.

00:09:11.000 That was really our origin.

00:09:13.000 And yet here we are since World War I, very much enmeshed with the British imperial policy.

00:09:17.000 And the British imperial policy, you mentioned Russia, has been anti-Russian.

00:09:22.000 Going back at least to the Crimea war, arguably before that.

00:09:26.000 But the British policy was very much always to destabilize Russia because Russia was the great land power of Eurasia, you see, and because they called it the world island, you see.

00:09:35.000 You see, if Germany, Russia, and China ever got together economically, that's How many billions of people?

00:09:40.000 That's wheat, that's natural resources, oil, everything that they need as far as to sustain themselves.

00:09:46.000 And so the British policy actually since the turn of the 20th century was to keep those guys at odds, to keep the neighbors vying against each other, to really distrust any major land powers so that they could use maritime trafficking transport of goods.

00:10:01.000 They've always been opposed to the idea of a new Silk Road, for example, you know, bringing rail traffic and goods across Eurasia from China.

00:10:08.000 So what again, I'm just contextualizing this anti-Russia thing that we've gotten so much in our blood since the beginning of the Cold War.

00:10:16.000 But this is very much the British policy was always anti-Russia.

00:10:21.000 We don't have anything against Russia because we're actually very similar to Russia.

00:10:24.000 Mass multicultural country.

00:10:26.000 I mean, is Russia more autocratic than the U.S.? Yes.

00:10:29.000 Historically, it's true, more autocratic.

00:10:31.000 But as far as the people, the intellect, the culture, the multiculturalism, the intelligence, I mean, it's very similar.

00:10:37.000 It's land, you know, this land power.

00:10:39.000 It's very similar to America. 0.83

00:10:40.000 So this idea of us being so anti-Russian has very much been ingrained into us by Russia.

00:10:44.000 A lot of dogma and fear, as we saw through our lifetime, fear of the communists.

00:10:50.000 And as your uncle understood, we have to negotiate with these as partners.

00:10:54.000 And what I saw in the last decade, really, has been not treating Russia as a partner, really going back to the 1990s, you could say, when the Soviet Union collapsed.

00:11:03.000 And we kind of looked at Russia as this...

00:11:06.000 We can power.

00:11:07.000 Oh, Russia, we can do what we want. 0.54

00:11:08.000 We can take all the NATO countries.

00:11:10.000 And even George Kennan warned in 98, he said to Thomas Friedman in an interview, he said, what Clinton is doing is treating Russia as an enemy.

00:11:16.000 He said, I don't understand why we're treating Russia as an enemy anymore.

00:11:19.000 The Cold War is over.

00:11:20.000 We don't need to treat Russia as an enemy, as an occupying, we don't need to be an occupying power here.

00:11:24.000 We need to work to basically bring Russia into, you know, the Western sphere of economics, of You know, democracies, but not just to exploit them.

00:11:33.000 And there was a lot of that that took place in the 90s as far as, you know, Jeffrey Sachs and others going there with shock therapy, you know, a lot of looting that took place of Russian resources, of the ruble, you know, a lot of oligarchs basically being born from that time period, and Russia was a wrecked country.

00:11:47.000 What Putin did basically from 99 forward was restabilize Russia.

00:11:52.000 Even though he's been an autocrat, he's been able to give Russia stability in a way that having governments every four years probably wouldn't have done.

00:11:59.000 And that's not to say they don't have a parliament.

00:12:01.000 They do have a parliament.

00:12:01.000 They do have various political parties.

00:12:03.000 They have opposition.

00:12:04.000 He stabilized it in a way that brought them back to prominence and power that didn't exist.

00:12:09.000 And that's why what we saw in the last decade of American arrogance, to treat Russia with so much arrogance to say, we can bring NATO right up to your border.

00:12:16.000 We can go into Georgia.

00:12:17.000 And Putin said no in 2008.

00:12:19.000 Remember, there was a brief war.

00:12:21.000 He said no.

00:12:22.000 And in 2008, he said, don't bring it into Ukraine.

00:12:24.000 These are border countries.

00:12:26.000 It's like Mexico and Canada would be for the United States. 0.90

00:12:28.000 If Mexico made an alliance with China and Stopped dealing with America, we'd have problems, right? 0.53

00:12:33.000 So that was Russia's attitude.

00:12:34.000 And rather than respecting Russia as a partner, as a great power would, saying, okay, Russia, you're a great power.

00:12:40.000 That's your neighbor.

00:12:41.000 Look, we don't need NATO there.

00:12:43.000 Ukraine can be a buffer state, can trade with both sides, can trade with the West.

00:12:48.000 We don't need a Western-installed, Western-controlled government in there. 0.93

00:12:51.000 But no, we didn't do that in 2014.

00:12:53.000 And ever since then, there's been a war in the Donbass region against Russian separatists and, you know, a lot of Russian-speaking people in that region that are probably majority pro-Russian.

00:13:02.000 So there's been problems ever since 2014.

00:13:04.000 So we haven't respected Russia.

00:13:06.000 And I think this is much more the Anglophile approach, the Anglo-imperial model of Basically, try to keep Russia unsettled, try to have conflict around Russia as much as possible, as opposed to the American, the peace faction, the American, you know, the Kennedy version, which is, hey, let's talk to them, let's negotiate with them as a great power, let's treat them as a great power, let's respect them.

00:13:27.000 And if there's mutual respect, I think we can get a lot further.

00:13:29.000 How do you explain the fact that Russia has under Putin and completely incapacitated economically, that the only exports, there is nothing that you buy in this country or almost any other nation in the world that says made in Russia?

00:13:46.000 How come with this?

00:13:48.000 Population that's extraordinarily brilliant, particularly in engineering and mathematics and physics.

00:13:56.000 A country that is the largest country in the world, that has the greatest land mass, that has its abundance of resources.

00:14:04.000 How come the only exports they have are oil and gas and minerals?

00:14:09.000 It's a third world country and why I wouldn't be able to industrialize. 1.00

00:14:18.000 Well, wheat.

00:14:19.000 Don't forget about wheat.

00:14:20.000 Grain and wheat.

00:14:21.000 I mean, they do export grain and wheat.

00:14:23.000 You know, it's difficult to say because a lot of our models of economics are based on this idea of export.

00:14:28.000 America doesn't export anything.

00:14:30.000 We export dollars.

00:14:31.000 We sell people dollars because they need dollars to buy oil.

00:14:35.000 America is a great export country.

00:14:38.000 Obviously, our economy is built around consumerism, but we have technologies.

00:14:43.000 We have internet, IT. We build entrepreneurship.

00:14:47.000 We have culture, too.

00:14:49.000 We have TV. Yeah, we have influence.

00:14:53.000 Exactly.

00:14:53.000 Our final readout, because we used to have electronics.

00:14:57.000 We used to make stereos and television sets and automobiles in the world.

00:15:02.000 We still make automobiles for export.

00:15:04.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't know what the deal is.

00:15:06.000 I know under Trump, there was sort of a little bit of a resurgent.

00:15:08.000 But listen, I remember hearing that Moscow was ranked in one of the top megacities in the world.

00:15:12.000 Just this past year, or in the last couple of years, it's been ranked in the top 10 cities.

00:15:17.000 So obviously, Russia is doing something right.

00:15:19.000 It's not a backwater, is the point.

00:15:22.000 You know, I haven't been there.

00:15:23.000 I've been there to Moscow.

00:15:24.000 I've been there to Kazan in the East.

00:15:25.000 I've been, I haven't been to St.

00:15:27.000 Petersburg yet.

00:15:27.000 But just again, like seeing, you know, they have, there is money.

00:15:30.000 It's more, it's, I felt when I was in Moscow, I felt closer to being like in a Paris or something, as far as the culture, the attitude, the economy was concerned.

00:15:38.000 The texture of the city.

00:15:40.000 So it didn't feel like these are impoverished people, right?

00:15:43.000 So I don't know.

00:15:44.000 I don't know how to...

00:15:44.000 I'm not an analyst.

00:15:45.000 I don't know exactly what their economy is based on.

00:15:47.000 I'm not that familiar with Russia, but I do know that these people weren't starving.

00:15:51.000 And talk to Russians, they're like, the 90s, we were starving. 1.00

00:15:53.000 The 90s, we were waiting in line to get bread and food.

00:15:56.000 We couldn't, you know, we had nothing.

00:15:57.000 And now it seemed closer to what you would consider like a modern Western or Central European city than not.

00:16:04.000 What would your solution in the Ukraine be at this point?

00:16:07.000 Gosh, I mean, how would I negotiate the Ukraine situation?

00:16:11.000 I would honor that I would basically push Zelensky.

00:16:14.000 I would not be sending him weaponry.

00:16:16.000 I mean, this is exactly like, this is all you're doing is fomenting more casualties, you know, more civilian casualties.

00:16:21.000 I would say, listen...

00:16:23.000 First of all, it's understanding clearly what Putin's demands are.

00:16:26.000 If we're talking about denazification as a battalion, various neo-Nazi battalions that Facebook all of a sudden says, okay, those Nazis are okay, right? 0.54

00:16:34.000 Historically, we don't like Nazis, but these Nazis are okay. 0.96

00:16:37.000 No, there are real neo-Nazi battalions that have been incorporated into We're good to go. 0.73

00:16:59.000 Nazism was about the idea of the master race and then the various sub-races, including Jews, including Blacks, including Slavs.

00:17:06.000 And that's what, there are these neo-Nazis that are, you know, obviously I'm mentioning the Azov Battalion and other groups, that ideology, because remember a lot of these guys are ancestors, their parents were involved in Joining the Nazis during the World War, you know, a lot of these Ukrainians joined the Nazi Party.

00:17:22.000 There was Stefan Bandero has become a national hero who was a Ukrainian Nazi, I mean, targeting Poles and Russians and Jews. 0.90

00:17:29.000 It's remarkable that this is so blatant in aspects of modern Ukrainian ultranationalism.

00:17:35.000 And yet people are just in denial about it because they are so anti-Russian in their own regards and their own psychology of being, again, caught in this Cold War mentality that Russia is the bad guy, Russia is the boogeyman, Russia is here to take over the world, which really, I mean, as my father did in his untold history, pointed out what Russia did, even as as my father did in his untold history, pointed out what Russia did, even as expansive as they were at the end of the Second World War, Stalin never really broke his treaty with Churchill as far as the countries that they agreed upon, Churchill and he agreed upon carving

00:18:05.000 He's an imperialist.

00:18:06.000 The British had an empire.

00:18:07.000 As I mentioned, a quarter of the world was under their control.

00:18:10.000 You know, America was an empire.

00:18:11.000 We had the Spanish Philippines.

00:18:12.000 Thankfully, Roosevelt was an anti-imperialist, so we started that policy of getting rid of this empire.

00:18:18.000 But the British weren't interested in getting rid of empire.

00:18:21.000 So they were interested in cutting a deal with the Soviets. 0.78

00:18:23.000 You get Eastern Europe, a little bit of Central Europe.

00:18:25.000 We get influence in Greece and Turkey and all these other countries.

00:18:29.000 And this was pure balance of power, empire.

00:18:32.000 Stalin turned against Molotov and some of his other top aides when they tried to ferment or support the communism movement in Greece because Stalin Stalin said that.

00:18:44.000 And by the way, Stalin is one of the maybe three worst people in human history.

00:18:49.000 Before Hitler, he was the greatest mass murderer. 0.95

00:18:53.000 He starved to death.

00:18:54.000 deliberately, purposefully, 3 million people in the Ukraine, and another million people were shot or gassed after that.

00:19:03.000 You know, as you point out, it's a very complex history, Stalin and Hitler divided the Ukraine into two parts, divided by the Ribbentrop-Molotov line, and Hitler essentially killed everybody who could not live with Nazi paradigm on and Hitler essentially killed everybody who could not live with Nazi paradigm on the western side of that line, and Stalin killed everybody who was an ethnic Russian on the east side of that line, and we're living now with the legacies of those divergent and

00:19:28.000 And we're living now with the legacies of those divergent ideologies, ethnicities, and attitudes.

00:19:37.000 And it's part of the complexity that, you know, I think that we should talk about.

00:19:43.000 I don't know what we should do in the Ukraine, but I know that it offends me that... 0.99

00:19:48.000 We're being carried by this wave of propaganda with very, very little understanding of, you know, what the historical antecedents are.

00:19:57.000 Also, the Joint Chiefs and the CIA almost brought the world to war in 1962.

00:20:04.000 Because the Russians, in retaliation for us putting Jupiter missiles in Turkey, the Russians had put missiles in Cuba, which was 1,100 miles from Washington.

00:20:15.000 And we said, you can't do that.

00:20:17.000 We'll go to war with you if you try to do that.

00:20:20.000 And now we've got military installations now in countries which were former Soviet satellites that we promised when Gorbachev broke up the Soviet Union.

00:20:35.000 You know, one inch to the east and we broke that promise.

00:20:43.000 We need to recognize some historical antecedents of this conflict and not just submit to this easy propaganda trope that Putin is like Hitler.

00:20:57.000 Putin is like Saddam Hussein. 0.98

00:20:59.000 He's evil. 1.00

00:21:00.000 He's bad. 1.00

00:21:01.000 We need to destroy him. 0.98

00:21:02.000 We need to maybe undo what President Kennedy did with Khrushchev. 0.92

00:21:07.000 I've got to put myself in his shoes.

00:21:09.000 We need to deal with that as a nation.

00:21:11.000 We need to debate it.

00:21:12.000 I totally agree.

00:21:14.000 By the way, you mentioned the Molotov-Ribbentrop, but that was Poland, not Ukraine.

00:21:18.000 Ukraine was occupied by Nazis, and that's where a lot of the alliances came from.

00:21:21.000 It was certain Ukrainians joining the Nazis during that time period.

00:21:26.000 Yeah, I mean, we're basically, you know...

00:21:29.000 But Stalin and Hitler divided up the Ukraine.

00:21:32.000 I mean, they controlled different parts of the Ukraine during different parts of the war.

00:21:36.000 It wasn't an agreement.

00:21:37.000 It was when the Nazis were invading Russia.

00:21:40.000 That's when they got into the Ukraine, was in that time period.

00:21:43.000 Because remember, Ukraine was historically Russia.

00:21:46.000 It's historically Russia.

00:21:47.000 It's also been historically part of sort of the greater Polish or Lithuanian.

00:21:51.000 Thank you very much.

00:22:11.000 That's why you end up, I think, in some ways with some of the Ukrainians going with the Germans during the Second World War under the occupation.

00:22:19.000 But no, it wasn't a formal agreement in that sense.

00:22:21.000 That was already once Hitler. 0.90

00:22:22.000 They did divide Poland, but this was after Hitler invaded East, right? 0.63

00:22:27.000 And he was moving East.

00:22:27.000 That's when he took Ukraine.

00:22:28.000 Well, the point is, Ukraine is a multicultural country.

00:22:31.000 And I think that's something that even Ukrainians are struggling with, as people will see in the Ukraine on Fire and the Revealing Ukraine, the sequel that my father made.

00:22:40.000 Where you see this post-2014 ultra-nationalism resurgence in Ukraine, basically being so anti-Russian.

00:22:48.000 And yet, again, a lot of their, it's like, it would be like if, you know, if we had a government that was basically anti-Mexican and basically starting to really, to really become, to foment an anti-Mexican sentiment across the country, right?

00:23:00.000 And let's say this was exacerbated, obviously, because the fighting started, there were separatists in the East that, yes, they were supported by Putin, but they were also, you know, Ukrainians who were Russian and said, listen, we want to be separate from this ultra-nationalism that we see resurgent, that seems to be anti-Russian.

00:23:17.000 in the West, and there's been a war ever since then.

00:23:20.000 60,000 casualties, let's not forget.

00:23:22.000 So people are crying here over the Ukraine.

00:23:24.000 It's like, well, where were your tears for the last eight years?

00:23:26.000 A lot of people didn't even know about this.

00:23:27.000 And I think this is the point of propaganda, how much it's really what the media tells us.

00:23:32.000 And we can't discount the fact here, too, that, as you know, the moment that our country, which has been in literally in a tyrannical fashion, forcing people to take an experimental injection, forcing people to wear Forcing children to wear masks for eight plus hours a day, depriving them of their very basic right to oxygen.

00:23:50.000 Our country that so hates freedom, if you stand up for freedom and they say you're a white supremacist for standing up for the freedom against masks or injections, at the moment that they dropped mandates, they turned around and said, now fight for the freedom of Ukraine.

00:24:03.000 Americans need to stand up for the freedom of Ukraine.

00:24:05.000 Can we not see the propaganda that's at work here?

00:24:07.000 We can't stand up for our own freedoms, but we have to stand up for Ukrainian freedoms.

00:24:10.000 Have you ever seen in your lifetime every major corporation saying, I stand with Yemen, I stand with Libya, I stand with Iraq?

00:24:17.000 Of course not.

00:24:18.000 We didn't stand with any of these countries when they were being bombed or the people when they were being bombed.

00:24:21.000 I ask people all the time, you're crying for the Ukrainians that have been killed, which is a tragedy.

00:24:26.000 anywhere civilians are killed in every war, but you're talking maybe a handful, a few thousand.

00:24:30.000 How many people have been killed in Yemen in the bombings of the last few years?

00:24:34.000 Almost half a million.

00:24:35.000 And again, 60,000 casualties in Ukraine before this invasion from Russia.

00:24:40.000 Were you crying for them then?

00:24:41.000 This is my point about propaganda and how the media knows and the narrative makers in Washington and the policy creators and the Council on Foreign Relations and their offshoot, the various think tanks and foundations that are influencing a lot of what we see, right?

00:24:55.000 What's propagated.

00:24:56.000 And obviously, it is for a military-industrial complex that is tied to Wall Street, that is tied to all the major international corporations, right?

00:25:03.000 There is an agenda at work.

00:25:05.000 And so that's why I mentioned, you know, the first Iraq war.

00:25:07.000 It's like starting to realize, dispelling my own illusion, my God, America's not the good guy in the world.

00:25:13.000 You know, I think in our constitution, we're the good guy.

00:25:16.000 I think that we have a beautiful principle.

00:25:18.000 But do our policymakers represent that?

00:25:20.000 To the Bidens and the Pelosi's and the Bushes and the Cheney's and the Clintons and the people that have been literally in power for 20, 30, 40, 50 years?

00:25:28.000 Are they not autocrats, political autocrats, just like Putin?

00:25:31.000 Oh, they get elected?

00:25:32.000 They just get elected every time?

00:25:34.000 Is that it?

00:25:34.000 They're just so wonderful at how they run things.

00:25:36.000 We just keep putting them back in office.

00:25:38.000 Well, then that tells us we really have to ask ourselves what we're doing, what we're thinking.

00:25:42.000 We're stuck with such rotten representatives.

00:25:47.000 How does globalization and transhumanism fit into this picture?

00:25:53.000 Because it's ultimately about control.

00:25:56.000 Just give us a definition of globalization.

00:26:01.000 Globalization is, I think, you know, it's an arguable definition.

00:26:03.000 I think that we've been globalized since the days of Alexander the Great, you know, since the days of the Persian Empire, right?

00:26:09.000 The idea of bringing peoples together across the planet through trade, through nations like the Persian Empire, which accepted different religions and accepted, you know, different ethnicities into a multicultural empire.

00:26:23.000 Alexander, very similar, the Roman Empire.

00:26:26.000 Roman Empire, obviously, more based in conquest.

00:26:28.000 I mean, they're all based in conquest, right?

00:26:30.000 But The point is that these empires, they're trying to control as much of the world as possible.

00:26:35.000 What happened at the end of the 19th century is that the British Empire, which at that time was really the greatest power the world had ever seen, as I mentioned, a quarter of the world's population, a quarter of the world's landmass under its control, and markets and controlling the sea lanes and the shipping and the traffic and the banking.

00:26:52.000 The British Empire realized that they came to their Vietnam crisis during the Boer War, and they realized we don't have the martial power to enforce it.

00:26:58.000 I mean, even in India, they had been using things like the British East India Company and mercenary armies and things like this.

00:27:03.000 But during the Boer War, they realized even just fighting these Dutch settlers and trying to get control of the mines, the gold and diamonds, right?

00:27:11.000 The great De Beers, everyone's heard of De Beers, and all this started with blood.

00:27:15.000 It started with slavery.

00:27:16.000 It started with concentration camps.

00:27:18.000 These just came out of the Boer War.

00:27:20.000 And the British experience was, wow, we can't police this empire.

00:27:23.000 We have to make it an ideological empire.

00:27:25.000 We have to bring...

00:27:27.000 This is where the Rhodes Scholarship came derived from this because Cecil Rhodes, who was the founder of De Beers and other things, he basically was saying we need to bring America back into our fold.

00:27:35.000 We have to bring America back into the empire, but it has to be an empire more of mind and law, legal structures and things like this, right?

00:27:43.000 So what is the modern New World Order was transitioning away from the idea of the British Empire to a more Commonwealth structure based in laws, contracts, agreements and international powers superseding nation states.

00:27:57.000 So then you ultimately get, after World War II, you get what?

00:27:59.000 The IMF and the World Bank and all these, you know, and these sort of these international bodies that are basically there, presumably to lend money, but oftentimes in predatory fashion, as we've seen.

00:28:08.000 I mean, John Perkins is a great book, Conspiracies of an Economic, Confessions of an Economic Hitman.

00:28:13.000 About how, you know, how countries would be manipulated by IMF policies and CIA obviously oftentimes getting in there, sometimes assassinating leaders who get in the way.

00:28:21.000 But again, moving these countries into more globalized structures, right, to the place where the idea is to take away power.

00:28:28.000 So why do you, people ask me all the time, how is it possible to control it so readily?

00:28:33.000 Well, that's the question.

00:28:34.000 How is it that all these governments are following lockstep with the same policies pretty much dictated by the WHO, you know, maybe like, you know, CDC and whatnot.

00:28:43.000 But, you know, why is it they're all following the same orders, essentially?

00:28:47.000 Not across the board.

00:28:48.000 Obviously, there are countries that, as you know, issued ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine and made that available.

00:28:53.000 But for the most part, there's been a lockstep of response, right, to how we're going to deal with this.

00:28:58.000 We're going to lock down.

00:28:59.000 We're going to force masks.

00:29:01.000 We're basically going to keep you six feet apart. 0.50

00:29:03.000 We're not really going to treat this as far as the ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine or other things that are available to treat it.

00:29:09.000 We're not really going to treat it.

00:29:10.000 We're just going to respond.

00:29:11.000 But how is that possible unless you have international globalist structures in place to essentially mandate it?

00:29:17.000 And coming, you know, a mixture from the private sector, the foundations, the Gates foundations and others that are helping to Sponsor the education process for this movement.

00:29:27.000 But essentially, it is more of a globalized response, which already indicates global systems of power.

00:29:33.000 And oftentimes, we've heard some presidents, for example, in Tanzania, I remember, and others, who are questioning the CPR testing, questioning the PCR testing, saying, this doesn't seem legitimate because I PCR tested a fruit and a goat, and they both tested positive for coronavirus.

00:29:48.000 And what happened to him?

00:29:49.000 He died.

00:29:49.000 And the other presidents seemed to indicate that they were actually being bribed, again, by international structures, saying we were offered millions of dollars in loans or money for our country if we followed these measures.

00:30:00.000 So that's why I say globalization has this great dark side.

00:30:04.000 There's a beautiful side of connection, being able to meet our counterparts across the planet, to trade in goods.

00:30:09.000 But the dark side is these conglomerate international corporations, as we know, that are getting more and more powerful, wealthier and wealthier, They have no allegiance to America or to the country that they started in, right?

00:30:19.000 Because they're offshore and their finances are international and they don't really pay taxes in their country.

00:30:24.000 And so that's really the dark side of what we're seeing is these global controls tied very much between governments, big corporations, big foundations, and how they're able to dictate from beyond our constitutional promise, which is that those powers, those rights, those things we don't enumerate for the federal government are supposed to be reserved to be the people.

00:30:44.000 And they're not.

00:30:45.000 Yeah, in my book, I talk about a slew of deaths among young African presidents, all of whom had opposed the WHO imposition.

00:30:56.000 And I don't say they were murdered, but it is peculiar that all people, virtually all the African presidents who resisted WHO died suddenly and inexplicably.

00:31:08.000 Talk about how transhumanism, this kind of ideology of transhumanism that is now so popular in Silicon Valley and with the World Economic Forum.

00:31:23.000 It's actually getting traction as something that has a beneficial outcome for humanity.

00:31:32.000 Right, exactly.

00:31:33.000 Well, as Klaus Schwab, I think, explained it the best.

00:31:35.000 He said it will be possible to merge your physical, your digital, and your biological identity.

00:31:42.000 That's the phrase, to merge them.

00:31:44.000 What is transhumanism by that?

00:31:45.000 Essentially to merge technology that we are using currently outside of ourselves, right?

00:31:51.000 In the various forms of apps, you name it, the computers, things like this, merging that more and more into the physical body, whether it's a neural link, almost like a Bluetooth interaction between yourself and the technology that you can operate telepathically, right?

00:32:06.000 But essentially, this process of merging the technology into our physical forms, they call it, you know, transcending what it is to be a biological human to start gene editing and things like this, which...

00:32:17.000 As if this is a good thing.

00:32:19.000 Yes, that's their perspective.

00:32:21.000 It's also about controlling the population.

00:32:23.000 It's literally about how do we organize this mass of people?

00:32:27.000 And that's why some of these agendas talked about, I think, agenda 21 and things like this, the UN agenda 21 is all about putting people into smarter and smarter cities, right?

00:32:36.000 So that they can be more order and control within a grid.

00:32:38.000 And rather than having this disorderly population, that's, you know, maybe rural, that's maybe in small towns and, and, and scattered across a large population.

00:32:47.000 If they can gather the population into smart cities where everything is, as we know, more easily monitored, surveilled, you know, the energy expenditure, everything can be monitored and then controlled more readily.

00:32:57.000 Then they look at it as being more conducive to their agenda, which is ultimately what?

00:33:03.000 To one theory, you know, that they would like us to basically to control our patterns of behavior, our patterns of consumption, right?

00:33:10.000 If you think about it from the elite perspective, you want to, you know, if you're making money on people, well, you want to continue to make money on people.

00:33:16.000 So you want to control what they consume, right?

00:33:18.000 And how much they consume of it, that kind of thing.

00:33:20.000 There's an argument that's actually, if you are an elite and you really believe, and this is the argument I get into sometimes with some of them, is like, there's this belief that they know better, that they basically really believe, you know, we've made money, or we come from bloodlines that have made money, and we've gone to good schools, and we've, you know, we're essentially, we know what needs to be done for the future of humanity, and we're here to decide it for you.

00:33:44.000 Which is very antithetical to certainly the American principle, you know, the constitutional principle of, no, God gives each of us a spirit and a life, and we really are, you know, not pure individuals, but we're here basically with an individual spirit, and we're here as entrepreneurs, and we know this middle-class American dream ethos that's come with it.

00:34:03.000 It's to say, no, we actually can figure things out for ourselves and we can actually create alternative systems if you allow free markets to exist.

00:34:09.000 But the elites, as much as they say free market economics, I don't believe for a second that they actually believe in free market economics.

00:34:15.000 I think that they hide behind that.

00:34:16.000 Corporate social is one of the greatest things we've seen throughout our whole life.

00:34:19.000 It's how much money these major corporations, in fact, in my paradigm of money documentary, I interviewed this guy who represents small and medium businesses.

00:34:27.000 He says, you don't realize how much money that's earmarked for small businesses actually goes to big corporations.

00:34:33.000 It's insane how much there's corporate welfare that goes on.

00:34:37.000 And just the nature of our globalist structures is more conducive to the global corporation.

00:34:42.000 Because if you can have your supply chain in India, you can pay people half or a third of the price you'd pay someone in America.

00:34:49.000 It's great for the corporate, corporate bottom line, but how does it affect real wages in America?

00:34:53.000 They haven't grown since the 70s as far as I've checked, last I checked.

00:34:56.000 Real wages haven't gone up because we're not making comparable what used to be good blue collar union type of wages in America.

00:35:04.000 I remember this all through the 2000s when I was in college and I was sitting there going, reading the newspaper, we just lost 30,000 jobs in Detroit, but we got 50,000 new service sector jobs.

00:35:13.000 I go, great, so you were paying someone 30 bucks an hour, now you pay them 10 bucks an hour.

00:35:17.000 How is that helping that person?

00:35:19.000 That's great for your corporate bottom line for Wall Street and the speculators, right?

00:35:23.000 If you're invested in that company, I'm sure you're doing well, but how is it helping me to lose a job that was paying me good wages so I can get another job in the service sector that's paying me a third of the price so that you can go pay, because you're a big corporation, you can go pay someone in Vietnam or China to do it for, again, a third or a quarter of the price so you make all the profit.

00:35:42.000 That's what's been really going on.

00:35:43.000 I did my Best Kept Secret docuseries about the sociopathic nature of Many of our elites and how they operate and their worldview and how much they are willing to manipulate and control.

00:35:54.000 I mean, look, MKUltra was a government-sponsored mind control program, but it used who?

00:35:59.000 It used doctors and scientists and big foundations in the private sector to do this horrible treatment of humans. 0.96

00:36:04.000 And universities.

00:36:05.000 I mean, huge universities.

00:36:07.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:08.000 Saving millions from the CIA. Yeah, and so we can't kid ourselves that just because someone's in a white lab coat, they're a good guy.

00:36:15.000 I mean, no, there are plenty of sociopaths in all spectrums, and especially at the top levels, as we all know, that don't have compassion for humanity.

00:36:24.000 They're looking at humans as this sort of this thing, this virus, even as they said in The Matrix, you know, we're a virus to a lot of them.

00:36:31.000 And we need to be moved around, pricked, prodded, sometimes killed, imprisoned.

00:36:37.000 I mean, it's like there's a sociopathology to a lot of the rulership.

00:36:41.000 And just Gates, I mean, for example, why did this guy befriend Epstein?

00:36:44.000 People have to ask themselves that.

00:36:46.000 What would bring him to Epstein's door?

00:36:49.000 Bill Gates, one of the richest men in the world, is not looking for money from Jeffrey Epstein.

00:36:53.000 Let's not kid ourselves.

00:36:54.000 Epstein was also very fascinated by a lot of these concepts of transhumanism, the idea of the power of the genes, you know, and how he, again, we talked a little briefly about this idea of genetic modification.

00:37:06.000 Eugenics didn't come from Germany.

00:37:08.000 Eugenics came from here. 1.00

00:37:09.000 There's a great book by Black about Edwin Black, War Against the Weak, I think it's called.

00:37:13.000 And it's about how the first eugenics conferences took place here.

00:37:16.000 They were sponsored by the various Anglo-American factions in Britain as well.

00:37:20.000 There were a lot of very elite people that were interested in eugenics and the idea of breeding and good breeding, right? 0.70

00:37:25.000 So Nazism didn't involve its eugenics concept out of whole cloth. 0.94

00:37:31.000 A lot of it was derived.

00:37:32.000 And at the end of the war, they realized eugenics is a bad word.

00:37:35.000 Let's call it genetic research, genetic modification, right?

00:37:39.000 Genetic modification of crops.

00:37:41.000 And guess what?

00:37:42.000 They're bringing it to humanity.

00:37:43.000 I don't see why people think that's so far fetched when we have no problem genetically modifying the crops we eat or potentially genetically modifying the animals that we're raising to eat.

00:37:52.000 And, you know, why is it a frustration to the imagination to genetically modify humans?

00:37:56.000 But what is that going to create?

00:37:58.000 There are a lot of elites that are very happy to genetically modify their kids, like Gattaca. 1.00

00:38:02.000 I want to create a perfect child.

00:38:04.000 Someone told me the other day, I want to genetically modify my children to be as tall and as smart and good-looking as possible.

00:38:10.000 I'm like...

00:38:11.000 You don't know what you're doing, though.

00:38:13.000 I mean, you think that's perfected.

00:38:15.000 You don't know the cause and consequence because, again, life is more, as there are great biologists like Bruce Lipton and others talk about this, life is more than just the blueprints that you're given.

00:38:25.000 It's obviously, you know, there's so many other factors that go into it.

00:38:28.000 It's environmental, right?

00:38:29.000 It's You could say spiritual.

00:38:31.000 It's emotional.

00:38:32.000 And one of the consequences you're going to create, diseases you're going to create as a result of this manipulation of biology.

00:38:37.000 We don't even know.

00:38:38.000 It's like Dr.

00:38:38.000 Frankenstein.

00:38:39.000 We don't know what's going to happen here.

00:38:40.000 But we're at the cusp of something really huge happening.

00:38:43.000 And I brought that up because Epstein was interested in these things.

00:38:46.000 And maybe that's where he and Gates were connected.

00:38:48.000 I don't know.

00:38:49.000 Where can our listeners follow you or find you?

00:38:52.000 Yeah, honestly, I think the best place is seanstone.info, my website, because it links to really all my documentaries, my channels, my book.

00:39:01.000 It's really easier for people to go to seanstone.info.

00:39:04.000 John Stott, it's been a pleasure talking to you, and I hope that we can get you back.

00:39:09.000 I think we just scratched the surface of your knowledge about these extraordinary knowledge about the issues that are more important to us today than probably at any time in history and more important than any other issue right now for Americans to understand what the enemy is.

00:39:27.000 Yes, exactly.

00:39:29.000 Yes, they're close.

00:39:31.000 It's just a propaganda.

00:39:32.000 Exactly.

00:39:33.000 The enemy is closer to home, and that's the point.

00:39:35.000 We have to recognize them at home.

00:39:36.000 Otherwise, we just waste their energy with looking abroad.

00:39:40.000 We have to start here.

00:39:41.000 Thank you, John.

00:39:42.000 It's a pleasure.

RFK Jr. The Defender - April 10, 2022

American Secrets with Sean Stone

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