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00:00:00.000Hey everybody, welcome back to the show.
00:00:02.000Many of you know that I spent 40 years of my career working on pollution issues, mainly representing commercial fishermen and recreational fishermen, beginning on the Hudson River and then the Waterkeeper Alliance, which I co-founded, expanded to become the biggest water protection group in the world with 350 patrol boats on waterways in 46 countries, litigating against polluters.
00:00:26.000And a lot of the polluters that I was suing were On the carbon industry.
00:00:31.000People complain about climate, but the carbon industry is a dirty industry from cradle to get grave.
00:00:38.000It cuts down the mountains of West Virginia.
00:00:44.000Thousands of miles of rivers and streams in our country.
00:00:48.000It has destroyed, acidified the lakes on the high peaks of the Adirondacks to where none of those high peaks, lakes, has fish in them anymore.
00:01:01.000It causes mercury discharges, which have contaminated every freshwater fish in America, ozone particulates and everything else.
00:01:10.000People, most environmentalists today, focus on climate, and climate is a real issue.
00:01:17.000And I've spent 40 years looking at that science, but what we've seen over the past couple of years is that that issue has been captured Hijacked in many ways by the World Economic Forum and particularly by Bill Gates.
00:01:35.000And they're doing the same thing to what the pharmaceutical industry does, which is they aggravate the problem and then sell us the solution.
00:01:44.000And of course, the solution that they want for climate are more social controls.
00:01:50.000And then the big The big solution of geoengineering projects, which of course Bill Gates is funding all over the world.
00:01:58.000And today I want to talk about geoengineering and particularly as it's related to climate because it is a threat that the environmental community needs to know about and the rest of us need to know about.
00:02:11.000It is a threat that is probably as dangerous to us as climate change itself.
00:02:20.000And that's why I've invited today to talk to us Dane Wiginton, who is the producer of the groundbreaking climate engineering documentary film, The Dimming.
00:02:33.000Dane has a background in solar energy.
00:02:36.000He was a former employee of Bechtel and was a licensed contractor in California, Arizona.
00:02:43.000He's devoted the last 20 years of his life to in-depth research on the issue of covert global climate engineering operations and the effort to expose and to halt them.
00:02:56.000His personal residence was featured as a cover article on the world's largest renewable energy magazine, Home Power.
00:03:03.000He manages a wildlife preserve next to Lake Shasta in Northern California.
00:03:09.000Dana has appeared in numerous films and interviews in his effort to educate the public on the extremely dire environmental and health dangers that we face from the ongoing global climate intervention programs.
00:03:31.000And your description is very accurate and on target.
00:03:34.000And the paradox, the irony here is that we have a global power structure that thinks they can counter The damage already done by human activity, anthropogenic activity, which is in a sense a form of geoengineering because we're altering the planet's life support systems and they are trying to sell us doing even more intervention as a form of a cure, much like you described the pharmaceutical industrial complex mentality.
00:03:59.000And This is the climate engineering issue itself, but we would argue at geoengineeringwatch.org that there can't be any legitimate discussion about climate or the state of the climate from any perspective about addressing this first and foremost.
00:04:12.000We would also argue that the state of the climate is even worse than we are being told Climate engineering is further fueling that process, not mitigating it.
00:04:23.000Okay, so let's start with one thing that a lot of people have heard about, and nobody really knows what to think about it, but chemtrails.
00:04:41.000are not condensation trails in almost all cases.
00:04:44.000They are sprayed particulate trails and we're not speculating.
00:04:47.000We have up close film footage of military tankers and commercial nozzles visible turning on and off.
00:04:55.000G1drinkwatch.org as a part of the film The Dimming.
00:04:57.000At great effort and expense, we acquired a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration flying lab, put top scientists in it, took samples at altitude behind heavy aircraft.
00:05:08.000The sample was processed at RPI, Princeton Polytechnic University, one of the top Testing institutions in the world, we found exactly what we knew we would find, climate engineering elements, starting with aluminum, which is named in one of the most significant climate engineering patents.
00:05:23.000And the climate engineers themselves have stated their goal of putting tens of millions of tons of aluminum nanoparticles into the atmosphere annually as part of solar radiation management to block some of the sun's incoming thermal energy with no consideration of the consequences whatsoever.
00:05:43.000So, okay, you know, this is a classic conspiracy theory, right?
00:06:35.000If you're seeing an aircraft emitting a trail at altitude, even a commercial aircraft, the chances are almost certain that that is a sprayed dispersion or a fuel additive happening in that aircraft, which is also part of climate engineering operations.
00:06:48.000Again, we have up-close film footage of these aircraft, including commercial, turning on and off at altitude.
00:06:54.000That means that cannot be a condensation trail.
00:06:59.000KC-10s, KC-135, C-17 Globemasters, And commercial aircraft.
00:07:04.000We have extremely up close photographic images of the retrofit nozzles mounted on the wing pylons of commercial aircraft aimed into the exhaust jet stream.
00:07:14.000We are not implicating commercial pilots.
00:07:16.000We are not implicating commercial personnel.
00:07:18.000They are not involved to our knowledge, but their aircraft in many cases are being used.
00:07:23.000If you remember when the big luggage situation came into play in the airlines around 2002, Suddenly it was a big concern how much luggage you carried on, how much weight there was, and so forth.
00:07:34.000And that is about the period in time when we feel the commercial industry was utilized more heavily for much lighter payloads than a military plane can carry.
00:07:44.000And certainly these are automated systems.
00:07:46.000So again, we're not implicating commercial pilots or personnel, although we are working with some that behind the scenes are leaving geoengineeringwatch.org printed materials covertly in pilot lunchrooms and so forth.
00:07:58.000But again, as far as this not being condensation, let's look at another factor.
00:08:03.000All military tankers and all commercial aircraft are fitted with what's known as the high-bypass turbofan jet engine.
00:08:12.000Eighty percent of the air that moves through that engine is not combusted.
00:08:15.000That engine by design is nearly incapable of producing any condensation trail except under rare and extreme circumstances.
00:08:21.000And beyond all this, I would ask people to believe what they see with their own eyes.
00:08:24.000When you see an aircraft leaving a trail clear across the horizon that suddenly shuts off and it leaves nothing, On the rest of its journey, or you see grid patterns in the sky one day and nothing the next with similar atmospheric patterns, of course something is clearly wrong.
00:08:38.000And we see loops and aircraft making large configurations and X's and so forth that we believe is to mark the air current movement.
00:08:46.000But high bypass turbofan jet engine, by design, nearly incapable of making condensation trail, nozzles visible, film footage turning on and off.
00:08:54.000And one more thing, if I could add to this, Robert.
00:08:57.000You certainly have seen all the B-17 bombers in World War II leaving the massive trails behind them, correct?
00:09:04.000So we captured off the military archives film footage of one B-17 flying in formation under another, filming these massive dispersions from that aircraft, and we got film capture of that being shut off instantaneously in air.
00:09:22.000The aircraft all around it continued to disperse.
00:09:25.000That aircraft continued to fly in formation.
00:09:27.000Clearly, there was some sort of beta testing going on, which would make sense, because we know these programs were initially deployed immediately after World War II over the polar regions, which would make sense as well, because those are the air conditioners of the planet.
00:09:40.000They knew the poles were beginning to melt, and that would be the logical place for them to start.
00:09:44.000And then by the 50s, we had Stanford acknowledging a, quote, Arctic haze that contained aluminum in the haze, and they couldn't figure out where that aluminum was coming from.
00:09:56.000So, again, I could go on and on with various puzzle pieces, but we asked people to look at the data, not to believe what we say, and to consider.
00:10:06.000And I know this will hit home close to home for you, given your family's background, which I so respect and revere.
00:10:12.000We have President Lyndon Johnson on film, on the record, when he was Vice President in 1962, stating that we had the power to control the world's cloud layer then.
00:10:24.00060 years ago, and quote, he who controls the weather controls the world.
00:10:28.000On film, on the record, that's the lead in 30 seconds to every weekly Geoengineering Watch commercial-free global alert news broadcast, which is on 16 stations around the country.
00:10:38.000So maybe you've seen that, but for those listeners that haven't, I would encourage them to watch that.
00:10:43.000And it would seem that there would be thousands of pilots and thousands and thousands of people who would have to be aware of this program and be participating in it.
00:10:53.000How come we don't see more whistleblowers coming out, particularly people who are retired?
00:10:59.000And again, I would first start with this.
00:11:01.000We could ask Julian Assange what happens with whistleblowers.
00:11:05.000Next I would add that we have right now an illegal commercial gag order on all the nation's weathermen, National Weather Service and NOAA. And that is a massive red flag.
00:11:17.000Why in the world would our government feel the need to gag the weatherman?
00:11:21.000Next, we have massive compartmentalization.
00:11:24.000We know in Vietnam, for example, did the pilot flying the aircraft spraying Agent Orange on the ground, which eventually killed many U.S. soldiers, as you know.
00:11:33.000Was he told that that would kill his partner on the ground?
00:11:50.000We know, according to the Washington Post, as of as far back as 1977, Washington Post recorded that there had been no less than 239 open air biological tests conducted on the US population by the US military without their knowledge or their consent.
00:12:07.000So again, there are so many factors that connect to this.
00:12:10.000And finally, given the severity of what we face, and I would argue we don't face global warming, we face something It would be scientifically termed an abrupt climate collapse.
00:12:23.000There are so many feedback mechanisms now that have been triggered, like the methane release happening in the Arctic, and the acceleration of those events is so severe that I think it would be very naive for our population to believe that governments around the globe wouldn't engage in these operations without public knowledge or consent.
00:12:43.000And a final factor, we have a U.S. Senate document, 800 pages long, that outlines Global cooperation between major governments, major superpowers, even if they have quote, otherwise adversarial relations, they will cooperate in the climate engineering operations.
00:12:59.000Because you can't just climate engineer every one country without affecting the entire world.
00:13:03.000Within that document, there is a provision for total legal immunity for anyone and everyone involved.
00:13:09.000And the frightening thing about this is I know that there's been many, many tests now that are showing accumulations of aluminum even in places in very, very remote parts of the earth in the soils.
00:13:25.000And it's hard to explain why that would happen.
00:13:31.000Aluminum was never a free molecule prior to the World War II era.
00:13:38.000Aluminum, all the aluminum on earth is bounded to silicate.
00:13:44.000And so it wasn't like there are many, many other metals like iron, et cetera, that are in the seawater and zinc and magnesium, et cetera, that are free and biologically available.
00:13:56.000But aluminum was really not biologically available prior to World War II, prior to the, and particularly the airline industry.
00:14:05.000When aluminum smelting became very, very widespread and then of course the aluminum got into our cookware, it got into aluminum cans, it got into food storage, etc.
00:14:18.000We now know that aluminum gets stored in the brain.
00:14:23.000It has a high association with Alzheimer's and with many, many other brain injuries and other injuries.
00:14:31.000And so it's kind of frightening to think that somebody may be putting large amounts of bioavailable aluminum into the environment, spraying it in microscopic particulates from airplanes.
00:14:47.000You're completely correct on every point.
00:14:49.000Thank you for bringing that point up, that aluminum does not exist naturally in the environment in free form, always bonded to other elements.
00:14:57.000And we now have lab tests from around the world All of which contain some level of aluminum.
00:15:04.000That's what brought me into this fight.
00:15:06.000When I began to lose massive amounts of my solar power uptake, I spent my whole life trying to get out of the smoggy Southern California, moved to the Pacific Northwest, built this off-grid home.
00:15:15.000I was losing huge amounts of my solar power uptake from whatever these aircraft were emitting, which I knew could not be condensation, not to block 70 or 80 percent of my solar PV uptake on some days.
00:15:24.000And that doesn't mean there's an 80 percent reduction in overall light.
00:15:28.000It just means you have to have direct sunlight for solar panels to function.
00:15:32.000I began to test my precipitation, did not want to find that primary element of aluminum, but I did.
00:15:40.000In the course of 18 months, the amount of aluminum in a single precipitation event went from 7 ppb, parts per billion, to 3,450 ppb in a single rain event.
00:16:16.000The precipitation that is very high in aluminum is actually pushing the pH value toward neutral.
00:16:22.000And in regard to where else that might be coming from, because that's a question people ask.
00:16:27.000Maybe there's some industry across the street from me or so forth.
00:16:31.000We know from CARB, California Air Resources Board, that when they're testing for the aerosols from China, because there's nothing between, or excuse me, China, Japan, Asia, there's nothing between us and them.
00:16:43.000And CARB studies do not show aluminum migrating across the ocean.
00:16:48.000Mercury can, of course, because it converts to a gaseous state, but not aluminum.
00:16:51.000So where is that much metal coming from?
00:16:54.000And a final note, you're Viewers, your followers, can watch the world's most recognized geoengineer, Dr.
00:17:54.000They banned me from the subsequent conferences for asking that question.
00:17:58.000Yeah, I mean, the ironic thing about Gates is that Gates has, and I've documented this in my book and in a bunch of articles, he has these huge, these vast investments in carbon industries, in the coal industry, in most of the big oil companies.
00:18:15.000He had one when I was, you know, when I last researched this, and I'm not sure it's still true, but there's no reason to believe that it isn't.
00:18:23.000But he owned manufacturing facilities for private airplanes or maintenance facilities for private airplane company.
00:18:40.000And I could be wrong about this, but it's going to be close.
00:18:44.000About 20 percent of railroad revenues, I think, come from carrying coal.
00:18:50.000And so he has a portfolio that is very, very heavily carbon.
00:18:57.000Of course, he flies private everywhere, and he's, you know, the Davos, as they all do.
00:19:03.000So he doesn't seem particularly concerned about global warming.
00:19:06.000And, you know, I was in the environmental movement for 40 years.
00:19:09.000I didn't work directly on climate because I mainly focused on pollution issues, which are related because they're coming from the same factories and from the same power plants and cement kilns, etc.
00:19:22.000I was working for organizations like NRDC, which were very heavily involved in climate.
00:19:30.000Gates never contributed to these organizations.
00:19:32.000He was not contributing to climate advocacy like maybe some of the other Like Ted Turner and Bloomberg and the other people who talk about climate a lot, they were giving money to people who were advocating for laws to end subsidies to the carbon industry and these kind of things.
00:19:53.000But Gates really was never involved in doing those things.
00:19:56.000So his involvement in, you know, then he goes ahead and writes a book on climate this year, and he starts preparing Pretending that he's a big climate activist, but he's never been involved in climate activism.
00:20:08.000The only thing that he's been involved in is, as far as I know, is funding these big geoengineering projects that seem just insane.
00:20:22.000My whole life, a lot of what I do is fighting people who are trying to impose engineering solutions on environmental problems.
00:20:34.000God designed the planet to work pretty well, and usually trying to fix it with an engineering solution is like whack-a-mole.
00:20:43.000It just causes more problems down the line.
00:20:45.000And if you're going to do a big, large-scale engineering solution, dams, dikes, lakes, etc., you better look at all of the unanticipated results of that.
00:20:57.000And it doesn't seem that they do that again.
00:20:59.000And he does the same thing with vaccines.
00:21:01.000He's giving vaccines loaded with aluminum and mercury to 161 million kids in Africa.
00:21:08.000And if you ask him what happens to the, you know, they put the mercury and the aluminum in the vaccines to promote an antibody response.
00:21:16.000But if you say to him, okay, well, those toxins did a good job of inducing an antibody response.
00:21:52.000That somebody would sprinkle aluminum dust into the atmosphere, which we know is deadly toxic to the human brain.
00:22:01.000Exactly what the world's most recognized geoengineer, Dr.
00:22:04.000David Key, said at this conference, the premise for him pushing aluminum as the element of choice is because it has a high albedo, high reflectivity, and low coagulation rate.
00:22:16.000And again, with no consideration of the consequences.
00:22:19.000We have lab tests from all over the globe, aluminum in all of them, in addition to barium, strontium, manganese, polymer fibers.
00:22:25.000The last 100 plus tests contained graphene.
00:22:28.000The tests contained surfactants, which we know from what we believe to be the primary material supplier.
00:22:34.000American Elements Institute's surfactants are used to keep the nanoparticles from coagulating before they're dispersed.
00:22:48.000It is packed with surfactants, which would be one reason why the snow is especially slippery now.
00:22:53.000In regard to the aluminum and the dispersions over the oceans, we believe that solar radiation management operations, stratospheric aerosol injection, and most of these operations are taking place in the troposphere, not the stratosphere.
00:23:14.000Stratosphere in the polar regions can be as low as 23,000 feet, which means they can definitely spray in the stratosphere over the polar regions.
00:23:22.000Even some of the lower latitudes can be as low as 30, 33,000 feet.
00:23:25.000So some of these operations are taking place in the stratosphere where the stratosphere is at lower elevations.
00:23:31.000But what we believe is also occurring over the oceans And the troposphere is where?
00:24:01.000The lower the altitude, the larger the payload the aircraft can carry, and that may be one of their considerations.
00:24:07.000At lower altitudes, a KC-135 can carry 100 tons of material in a single payload.
00:24:14.000These are astoundingly high numbers of this particulate, and it would correlate to what we're seeing in the soil pH changes.
00:24:23.000And back to ocean iron fertilization, that's another proposal for geoengineering, to fertilize the oceans, to force them to uptake more CO2, and we would argue this has already been occurring for decades, that the SRM, solar radiation management dispersions that are happening over our oceans, Are also part of ocean iron fertilization.
00:24:42.000And that would correlate with studies we have, peer-reviewed studies of, for example, whales that are packed with alarming levels of aluminum.
00:24:50.000And as you stated, with all these organisms, aluminum toxic to virtually all life forms, no exception.
00:24:56.000And we see marine mammals like whales with period food study that are packed full of aluminum.
00:25:00.000We have science study advocating for polymer coated aluminum particles to be used in ocean iron fertilization.
00:25:08.000So again, there are so many puzzle pieces that connect and clearly...
00:25:12.000When you say the whales, because I've seen studies...
00:25:16.000Of beluga whales in the mouth of the St.
00:25:18.000Lawrence that are packed with aluminum.
00:25:20.000I mean, the highest aluminum levels ever found in living organisms in those whales.
00:25:25.000But that's because there's aluminum smelters, presumably, you know, all along the St.
00:25:31.000Lawrence, those Canadian aluminum smelters that are operating on Canadian hydropower.
00:25:37.000Aluminum, as you know, to separate the aluminum from the bauxite, which is where geologically it occurs, you need tremendous heat.
00:26:01.000And so there's a lot of aluminum in the beluga whales there.
00:26:04.000But are you saying there's whales in the ocean that have high aluminum levels?
00:26:10.000Yes, with peer-reviewed science study.
00:26:12.000There are no smelters in my region of Northern California.
00:26:16.000Lake Shasta is in my backyard, along with the Upper Sacramento River.
00:26:21.000I have been Invited and included in closed door meetings with Reading Environmental Health, that's the city furthest north in California, shown the lab tests for the massive spikes of aluminum in the rivers.
00:26:34.000This is the drinking water for California.
00:26:36.000Massive spikes in aluminum after every storm event.
00:26:39.000They didn't know where this metal was coming from.
00:26:41.000They've never disclosed these tests to date.
00:26:45.000So, again, the level of cover-up here is beyond comprehension.
00:26:49.000And I've had private meetings in the Capitol with Governor Gavin Newsom, who knows this is going on, won't say anything.
00:26:56.000All the environmental groups you mentioned, all of them, WWF, Greenpeace, Sierra Club, Earthjustice, all of them.
00:27:05.000Our attorneys at geoenginewatch.org have spoken to their attorneys about this issue.
00:27:08.000They will not bring this issue up in any of their organizations because they don't want to lose their 501c3 nonprofit.
00:27:17.000We find that to be unimaginably hypocritical because the data to back this up is absolutely monumental.
00:27:23.000You know, I got to push back on that because I, you know, I know these environmental leaders and I know their environmental groups and nobody's worried about losing their 501c3 by taking a tough stand on an issue.
00:27:36.000There may be other reasons why they're not doing it.
00:27:51.000There's reasons that those, you know, there's reasons they don't go after the pharmaceutical industry.
00:27:56.000Even the environmental groups that are, you know, working on toxins and toxins to children are, you know, have kind of a blind eye to the chronic disease epidemic.
00:28:07.000And they, you know, they don't want to do it because it's unpopular in a particular tribe or with political leaders.
00:28:15.000But I don't, I can't imagine, you know, I think that probably the reason they won't, don't want to do it is that it's regarded as a crazy person's issue.
00:28:29.000It's regarded as, and I don't think of it that way.
00:28:33.000But it's easy, as you know, People, you know, you take a lot of strength to do what you're doing.
00:29:27.000And I would ask this, how preposterous is it when we have the entire climate science community all over the globe describing exactly what we see in our skies as something we need to do immediately to deploy stratospheric aerosol injections, solar radiation management, jet aircraft spraying particles into the sky to block some of the sun's incoming thermal energy And we have film footage of exactly this happening with literally whole horizons covered from what Jet Aircraft emit.
00:29:58.000We have the exact elements named in multiple climate engineering patents.
00:30:01.000We have about 150 listed at GeoengineeringWatch.org.
00:30:03.000Those same elements showing up in absolutely alarming quantities on the ground.
00:30:09.000We have a condition now called global dimming, which is the amount of direct sunlight no longer reaching the surface of the planet that's staggeringly high.
00:30:16.000We have also global spilling, another science term, which means the overall wind flow around the planet is being diminished.
00:30:23.000We have a radical reduction in overall precipitation around the globe.
00:30:28.000Yes, we have deluge in many places, but overall we have much more protracted drought.
00:30:34.000The laws of physics say that can't happen on a rapidly warming planet.
00:30:38.000Because the atmosphere holds 7% more moisture for every degree C of warming, we believe from frontline temperatures that we are past 3.5 degrees C right now, not 1.5, 3.5.
00:30:48.000And so how can we have that reduction in the hydrological cycle, that level of global dimming, the reduction of wind flow, which would be related to a...
00:30:57.000Interference with convection on the planet.
00:31:00.000All of those dots connect to what we know climate engineering consequences to be, and there's one more big one that's very alarming.
00:31:05.000We are seeing extraordinarily high levels of UV-C on the surface, not just extreme levels of UV-B. We are detecting UV-C. We have a former NASA contract engineer that works directly for geoengineeringwatch.org with equipment we supplied him, state-of-the-art equipment.
00:31:21.000And we're told UVC stops 100,000 feet up in the atmosphere.
00:31:25.000A peer-reviewed study six months ago from a group of scientists acknowledged the UVC on the surface, and they were attacked immediately, and that study was swept under the rug.
00:32:01.000We would expect with climate engineering, including the elements on the ground.
00:32:04.000And yet we're told that this is some sort of fringe issue when every single government in the globe is discussing it, every single climate scientist is discussing it, and we have a history of weather modification going back 75 years.
00:32:16.000I mean, I'll push back on the hydrological cycle because what most of the modeling suggests that I've been reading for 40 years is that you're going to get a lot more rainfall in coastal regions, but because of the heat, the excess heat in interiors of the continents, it's going to get much drier.
00:32:36.000I mean, obviously, if you've got a hotter atmosphere, you're going to have more evaporation, more precipitation, and the The question is, where does that precipitation ring out of the clouds?
00:32:51.000Does it do it between the coasts and the coastal ranges, or does it make it into the interior of the country?
00:32:59.000But all of the issues that you're talking about make sense.
00:33:05.000I think we do agree on the drought situation.
00:33:08.000We're not saying that with a rapidly warming planet you wouldn't have these drought-prone areas in interior regions.
00:33:13.000What we're speaking about is overall precipitation and overall global precipitation is down.
00:33:19.000And again, laws of physics make clear, 7% more moisture for every degree we see of warming.
00:33:23.000And we know with the type of ocean fertilization programs that we believe are being conducted, if there's polymer fibers in that, there's been polymer fibers in our precipitation testing here, that would certainly inhibit evaporation over the oceans.
00:33:38.000The blocking of direct sunlight absolutely inhibits evaporation.
00:33:41.000Is the polymer fiber, is that another particulate that they use to block the To block the energy that's on?
00:33:52.000And even mentioned in David Key's presentation, the polymer fibers being used as a means to keep the particles aloft longer, just like a spider web does for those types of spiders that migrate in the atmosphere.
00:34:07.000That is the thinking behind the use of polymer fibers.
00:34:25.000And by the way, to tie those two private defense contractors into this scenario, we know that Lockheed Martin and Raytheon do all the weather modeling for the nation's weathermen that have the federal gag order on them.
00:34:37.000Lockheed Martin are neck deep in climate engineering patents and climate engineering operations.
00:34:41.000So we have the foxes literally running the hen house for the, quote, scheduled weather And that's how even down to the local meteorologist level, we have them predicting a quote, mostly sunny day, a week in advance here, for example, in Northern California.
00:34:56.000And on that day, there's not a natural cloud in the sky.
00:34:58.000There's only sprayed aerosol dispersions.
00:35:01.000How did that meteorologist know Seven days in advance that that was going to occur.
00:35:06.000So again, we know that they're doing the weather modeling for National Weather Service and NOAA. In fact, that has to be because they need to control the narrative.
00:35:16.000And that's exactly what they're doing.
00:36:35.000Is it your theory that a lot of this is happening from the commercial aircraft that we ride on?
00:36:43.000You know, if I have to go to New York or something, is it possible that that airline for American Airlines is spraying this stuff and the pilot doesn't know about it?
00:37:10.000We see them change that narrative at the same time as the weather bounces all over the board because these programs do exactly what you described earlier, weather whack-a-mole.
00:37:17.000So we're not implying with them or the commercial pilots and personnel, they're not involved, but certainly they know.
00:37:23.000We're communicating with some commercial pilots and personnel.
00:37:31.000And on the rest, I'm sorry, Robert, your question you just asked me was...
00:37:35.000I was asking about, you know, because, you know, I was a pilot for a while.
00:37:40.000And even when, you know, not on a commercial aircraft, but if you're a pilot, even on a big commercial aircraft, you walk around your airplane and you make sure...
00:37:50.000That you understand everything that's going on in there and what's being loaded on and what's not.
00:37:55.000And my question is, if I'm flying on an American Airlines flight from LA to New York, is it possible that that flight, do you believe that that flight may be part of this program?
00:38:42.000And yet, all of them pretending they're, quote, safe and effective.
00:38:46.000And I would argue the exact same scenario applies here.
00:38:49.000So when we have U.S. military leasing 400 commercial aircraft or more with commercial markings, we have a much smaller payload carry with a commercial aircraft.
00:38:58.000It may be as low as 5% as a military tank or fully loaded, but we know that they're dispersing because we have up-close images of them doing so, turning on and off.
00:39:07.000And you don't hit that kind of vertical layering in the atmosphere.
00:39:11.000It's layered horizontally, so you're not going to have a trail that cuts off like it was cut with a knife.
00:39:18.000So again, yes, commercial aircraft are being used.
00:39:21.000We can't know if the particular aircraft with the particular commercial markings is necessarily carrying passengers or not, but the U.S. military leasing many of those aircraft.
00:39:33.000We have the U.S. military owns and controls three times more aerial tankers than all other militaries in the world combined.
00:39:42.000If I could add one more historical fact into this, I think would have relevance for everybody given global events.
00:39:48.000We have, for example, after 9-11, we had General Wesley Clark stating on the record that the Middle Eastern countries that were to be targeted, a list that we believe existed before 9-11 even occurred.
00:40:01.000But my point is this, that those Middle Eastern countries, every single one, subsequently underwent a once in 1,000 year drought.
00:40:08.000That's mathematically, statistically impossible to have that kind of coincidence unless there was something else in the equation.
00:40:13.000That's something else we would argue is climate engineering.
00:40:16.000And to back that up, we have leaders of some of those countries, in the case of Iran, on the floor of the United Nations, stating emphatically that NATO was cutting off their precipitation, destabilizing food production, thus destabilizing populations.
00:40:29.000We know that Iran's a target of NATO. It has been for a very long time.
00:40:34.000Next, if we look at the satellite imagery off of the California coast, for example, We can see these operations occurring.
00:40:44.000We can see them completely breaking up the storm track.
00:40:47.000And I would encourage you listeners to view presentations that I did up to a decade or more ago, Engineered Drought, Catastrophe, Target, California, a decade ago.
00:40:56.000Every single thing I said would happen here has happened.
00:40:59.000Not because I was looking into a crystal ball, but because I was looking at data.
00:41:03.000And if these programs continued, it had to happen, and it did.
00:41:06.000You know, I'll tell you one of the reasons.
00:41:28.000And we went outside and we sat on a hillside and we watched these planes fly in a grid pattern, laying out this, you know, a grid of contrails and then it turned into clouds and we had a cloudy day.
00:41:41.000And I don't know, I've looked up many times since then and seen that happening.
00:41:47.000And I don't have a good explanation for it, but, you know, the things that you're saying are consistent, are internally consistent, and they're consistent with things that I've observed.
00:41:57.000It's amazing to think that they can keep it that secret that well for this long, but, you know, I've seen them do that with other things as well.
00:42:08.000Yeah, your specialty, you've been so heroic at championing this cause of I would cite that again as an example.
00:42:18.000How can the entire medical industry not recognize and acknowledge that injecting aluminum and mercury into a system is going to do harm in addition to the current scenario that we have?
00:42:30.000And yet we have the vast majority of that community pretending That it's okay.
00:42:36.000And I would argue the same is true here.
00:42:39.000So we have to stand back and understand, given the severity of biosphere collapse, and based on the statistical mathematical trajectory, if we continue on this course, none of us are going to be here that much longer.
00:42:52.000We have global wildlife populations crashing right now.
00:42:56.000We've lost 70% of global wildlife populations in the last 40 years.
00:43:08.000I mean, the thing that to me that is really, I'm not going to say just positive, but really hard to explain, is that I've seen all of this data about the aluminum concentrations dramatically increasing in national forest lands and other places is that I've seen all of this data about the aluminum concentrations dramatically increasing in national forest lands And as you say, aluminum, unlike mercury, precipitates out of the atmosphere within 100, 200 miles from a smelter.
00:43:36.000If you're on the West Coast, And the nearest smelter is in, you know, upwind smelter is in Japan or China.
00:43:43.000The aluminum, there's no explanation for all that aluminum.
00:43:47.000Those aluminum concentrations in national forests on the West Coast.
00:43:54.000If I could just back it for the record, I definitely did not mean to imply in any way that What's happening could be blamed entirely on climate engineering.
00:44:17.000I'm just simply stating as an aggregate that given the severity of our situation, given the severity of climate collapse, why would we think that governments around the world wouldn't deploy this in a last ditch effort to keep business as usual until the last possible moment?
00:44:31.000And I would argue that's exactly what they're doing.
00:44:38.000A key part of climate engineering is engineering winter weather events.
00:44:42.000And that's key right now because we have Winter Storm Elliott being manipulated in the U.S. In regard to the validity of that manipulation, the climate engineers being able to seed endothermic reacting elements, energy absorbing elements into clouds to create a cold dense layer that descends to the surface and create frozen precipitation out of What would have been liquid precipitation?
00:45:04.000I would say, if your listeners search, Chinese scientists create artificial snowstorm, they'll find Popular Science covered it, Fox News, MSNBC, and everybody else.
00:45:14.000They did $2 billion worth of damage to Beijing by nucleating clouds into frozen precipitation.
00:45:20.000They stopped talking about it after that.
00:45:30.000That based on elements like ammonium, barium, urea, stating that those patents can nucleate cloud moisture at temperatures 40 and 45 degrees.
00:45:40.000All of these dots connect when they do this and they create a flash cold event.
00:45:45.000It serves the carbon industry very, very well.
00:45:48.000Because they can come up with lots of new records or cold temperatures.
00:45:52.000It skews public perception as to the true state of the warming on the planet.
00:45:55.000It confuses them, divides them, and again, creates a lot of low temperatures that skew the global data for the year, which keeps us from having record high months and years when we otherwise would have.
00:46:05.000So there are so many complexities here around climate engineering that serve those in power to keep business as usual until the last possible moment.
00:46:14.000I think one of the other parts of your story that...
00:46:17.000You know, it's important to understand is the military programs to weaponize climate, because of course they're doing that.
00:46:25.000Of course, I know they're doing that because they, you know, they do it with everything else.
00:46:32.000Anything that they can weaponize, they're going to.
00:46:35.000And what you just said about Iran, and that...
00:46:38.000If you're involving civilians in that program, in a program that is attached to the weaponization of climate or the weaponization of weather, you can maybe force them to sign state secrecy contracts and everything else to make sure that, you you can maybe force them to sign state secrecy contracts and everything else to make sure that, you know, and of course, if you violate a state secret, there's a million Americans who, according to Kevin Shipp, who was running that program for
00:47:08.000So if you're involved with the civilian application of, you know, of these geoengineering projects, and if they're being run by the Department of Defense, and they come to you and say, or the intelligence agencies, and they say, "We want you to be part of this, and we, but you and they say, "We want you to be part of this, and we, but you need to Then you're never going to talk about it.
00:47:31.000Then you go to jail for 20 years and you lose every possession you have.
00:47:36.000So anyway, I think that's an aspect that makes the secrecy explainable.
00:47:42.000The fact that they are probably militarizing this and weaponizing it to attack other countries, to hurt other countries, you know, crop production, etc.
00:47:59.000and he's certainly spoken on this issue.
00:48:03.000In the film, The Deming, and this plugs into one of your earlier questions too, Robert, you know, those that have stepped forward that are retired.
00:48:09.000In our groundbreaking documentary, The Deming, there are two U.S. Air Force generals, a brigadier general and a two-star general, both acknowledging this issue on film, on the record.
00:48:21.000Former Canadian Minister of Defense acknowledging this issue on the record.
00:48:24.000Former PM for British Columbia, Canadian Premier for British Columbia, We have former Forest Service scientists, former Fish and Game scientists, all in that film, acknowledging this issue on the record.
00:48:38.000So there are some courageous individuals out there, and we simply are trying to get others to step forward.
00:48:44.000And I've been in the field with USDA scientists that I know, testing forest floor pHs.
00:48:48.000And we have the baseline values, by the way.
00:48:51.000I have the original USDA baseline values in my possession, so we know how much they've escalated.
00:48:56.000But I've had these USDA scientists in the field looking at me very sheepishly, they know this is going on, and saying, what do you want us to do about it?
00:49:04.000They don't want to jeopardize their employment, and they're not saying a thing.
00:49:10.000For people who are listening to this podcast and they have questions and really want to figure out whether this is going on, where can they see this happening?
00:49:21.000What should they look for in their own lives and their own, you know, as they sort of walk around, what kind of signs of this should they look for?
00:49:31.000And then I'm going to ask you, if people have questions about this, where should they go to get good information?
00:50:23.000For those that are trying to grow gardens, to answer your question, their production is likely falling very rapidly.
00:50:28.000In addition to the soils being compromised, soil microbiome being harmed, soil pH values being affected, We have a condition called VPD, vapor pressure deficit.
00:50:38.000These particles, depending on what they're dispersing, are desiccants, so it's reducing atmospheric RH, relative humidity.
00:50:45.000This may be one of their goals because water vapor is also a greenhouse gas.
00:50:48.000They may be trying to reduce atmospheric RH in their myopic attempt to slow the visible signs of the warming.
00:50:55.000But what VPD does, if there's not enough humidity, the organism, be it trees, other types of flora, vegetables, they shut down their stomata, their respiratory ports.
00:52:06.000And thank you for giving a voice to this issue and encouraging those that follow you and all your courageous work to investigate this as well.