Alec Berenson is an American writer who has a dozen spy novels about the CIA. He is the winner of an Edgar Award. He s covered Bernie Madoff, the financial sector, and the pharmaceutical industry for the New York Times. And he has been savaged and brutalized by the institutions that used to celebrate him: The Atlantic Monthly, the Daily Beast, and all of these other institutions. In this episode, Alex and I discuss what it means to be a hero in the eyes of the establishment, and why we should all be proud of him for standing up for the truth in the face of institutionalized lies and cover-up. And we talk about the new vaccines that are on the market, and how they re going to change the way we think about vaccines, and whether or not we should be encouraged to get them. And, of course, we have a special guest on the show this week, Alex's brother, Dr. Alex. Alex and Alex discuss vaccines and their impact on our understanding of the human body and brain, and their potential impact on the human brain and body chemistry, and what we should and should not be doing about it. And, as always, there's a little bit of history and history of medicine in this episode. This episode was produced and edited by Alex, and Alex's background in the history of alternative medicine, and his views on vaccines and alternative medicine and alternative health care, and other topics related to alternative medicine. We hope you enjoy the episode, and if you're interested in getting your own copy of the book, "Vaccinegate" by Alex's latest novel, "The Lying Game." by Alex and his new book "The White House" by The White House Press Corps, "Corky's Guide to the CIA." by the CIA? is out now! Subscribe to our new podcast, The Spy Who Knows It All: A Spy Who's Working on the CIA's Most Brilliant Spybook: A Guide to The CIA's Top Secret Agent's Guide To The CIA? by Alec Berensson and His Life on Amazon Prime and More! Subscribe on Podchaser and more! Subscribe on Apple Podcasts and other Podcasts are now listening to our newest episodes? Subscribe on Audible and more? Learn more about your ad-free version of The Spybook "The Spybook" Subscribe on iTunes & more! by searching for The Spyglass Podcast?
00:00:25.000He's covered drugs and pharmaceutical industry for the New York Times.
00:00:30.000And he has kind of, I would say, taken a big risk and destroyed his relationship and made himself a pariah During the corona crisis by actually trying to cover the truth.
00:01:16.000And you know, I've been involved, I almost litigated against them, and I've been working with Gary Null, who did litigate against them, and it's very hard to sue Wikipedia.
00:01:27.000Wikipedia is completely subsumed in this pharmaceutical paradigm.
00:01:33.000And anybody who promotes vitamins, anybody who promotes alternate medicine, integrative medicine, functional medicine, people who promote chiropractors or nutrition, they are all, their reputations are absolutely, it's just defamatory entries about them.
00:01:53.000You can't sue them because of the way that they're set up.
00:01:57.000But Gary Null has figured out a way to sue the individual editors who are responsible, and they all meet in this kind of editing room.
00:02:07.000The top guys meet in this editing room, and they're the ones who control how Wikipedia handles the appeals.
00:02:17.000You can get your buddy to go on your Wikipedia page and take off the defamatory stuff.
00:02:25.000But it will instantly set off a trigger somewhere where they will come back and fix it to defend you again.
00:02:32.000And so there's an editing room where those ultimate decisions are made about whether to uphold your edit or to discard your edit.
00:02:44.000Well, they claim that it's sort of all crowdsourced, but it isn't really.
00:02:50.000But, you know, I've given up basically on Wikipedia.
00:02:53.000You know, hard science, hard science and hard medicine had managed to avoid, mostly avoid this kind of...
00:03:03.000Groupthink, you know, doctors have to treat people ultimately, so they do need good, hard scientific evidence, or should anyway.
00:03:10.000But even there, it's getting harder to avoid the influence of the groupthink.
00:03:14.000I mean, as I said to you in our email, I strongly suspect we would disagree about a lot of things because, for example, you know, I don't really think there's great evidence, you know, to support a lot of the You know, the natural medicine remedies that you're mentioning or being a chiropractor or things like that.
00:03:31.000You know, I tend to believe in medicine as has been practiced for, let's say, the last 100 or 120 years in the United States and the UK and, you know, Europe, and that we've made these great strides because we have relied on Randomized controlled trials and safety databases and independent regulators.
00:03:48.000And we force doctors to justify what they're doing.
00:03:51.000I mean, I think if you look at the history of medicine and, you know, in another life, I'd like to, you know, be an MD who writes sort of history of medicine books because I think it's fascinating.
00:04:00.000You know, for a thousand years, doctors did terrible things to people because they didn't really have any scientific control to see if what they were doing made sense.
00:04:10.000And, you know, finally, in the 1800s, they decided they were going to stop, you know, you know, putting leeches on.
00:04:18.000This leech is going to actually work something, you know, drilling holes in people's heads or whatever.
00:04:22.000And so so I always try to come at things from the data and and the and the and the published papers.
00:04:30.000I don't necessarily know that we would agree on everything or even a lot of things, but But I think with these new, you know, these vaccines that are, you know, that are on the market right now, you know, although they're not even fully approved and that tens of millions of Americans are getting and that, you know, hundreds of millions of Americans are being encouraged to get and billions of people worldwide, we have done this in just a crazy way, in my opinion.
00:04:58.000Well, you know, I was interested when you had that response to me, and we had this kind of repartee where you said, I'm not sure, you said, I doubt if I agree with many of the things that you stand for, and I said, I doubt if you know what I believe.
00:05:14.000And I can, by the way, I will say now that I've been on the, you know, sort of whipped by the Atlantic and stuff like this, I can see better why you would say that, because, you know, they're writing a caricature of me.
00:05:25.000Right, and And I've had that since 2005, you know, of people misrepresenting my views and not allowing me to respond.
00:05:36.000And all of the characterizations of me are done by people who are very hostile to kind of my endpoint.
00:06:10.000I got into my field because I love science.
00:06:14.000I wanted to be a scientist when I got out, when I grew up.
00:06:19.000And the thing that got me onto the vaccine issue was a woman came to me with an 18-inch pile of peer-reviewed science and said, I'm not going to leave here until you read these.
00:06:29.000And I started reading, you know, just the abstracts and quickly realized that what we were being told about vaccine safety and efficacy by the medical authorities, by the medical establishment, the regulatory authorities, the Pharmaceutical companies that there's a vast delta between that narrative and what the actual peer-reviewed science was saying.
00:07:08.000And, you know, we don't, I'm on any vaccine.
00:07:11.000I'm agnostic about all of the things that you talked about there.
00:07:15.000I, you know, a lot of things, my initial approach is that everything is a voodoo until I see actual science that it works.
00:07:24.000And by the way, you know, you and I talk about peer-reviewed science, but peer-reviewed science is not a deity either.
00:07:34.000And a huge amount of the peer review, even Richard Horton from the Lancet and Marsha Engle, who is a long-term editor of the New England Journal of Medicine and all of these other editors from JAMA and from the major journals are all saying it's all fixed now because the pharmaceutical industry controls those journals.
00:08:02.000And you cannot get, and I know this, if you write something that challenges that paradigm, you are going to have it retracted if it ever gets published.
00:08:12.000And you know, we've watched scientists after scientists have these brilliant studies.
00:08:16.000Chris Axley, who's done all the studies on the aluminum, he's the world's authority on aluminum, and he's now in the doghouse, and all this stuff has been retracted.
00:08:27.000I mean, that is something I know nothing about.
00:08:32.000I think I told you, or I think I say it in the booklet, my gut is that the standard childhood vaccines are pretty safe.
00:08:39.000But I will admit, I have not read that 18-inch trial of stuff.
00:08:44.000That's just been my gut because they've been around for a long time.
00:08:48.000And I know people say the vaccine schedule has grown, and obviously that's true.
00:08:52.000But, you know, the basic principle has been In the literature or in discussion among doctors for more than 200 years, you try to improve people's immunity by priming their immune systems.
00:09:06.000That makes sense to me as somebody who's not a trained vaccinologist.
00:09:12.000To, you know, to in any way imply that I'm endorsing your views on the other vaccines.
00:09:19.000Not because I know that you're wrong, but because I've done basically no work on them.
00:09:24.000And so, and my gut as somebody who, I guess, came out of the liberal, you know, Northeastern establishment is, you know, vaccines basically work.
00:09:33.000At least the standard ones basically work.
00:09:35.000Where I'm a cynic is about, and by the way, those standard vaccines are low profit products.
00:09:41.000They're not a big part of the pharmaceutical industry.
00:09:47.000Oh, you're saying that's not necessarily true.
00:09:50.000Again, that's something I have not really looked at.
00:09:52.000Prior to 1989, the vaccine schedule changed in 1989, and it was because we passed the law in 1986, giving the companies complete blanket immunity from life to life.
00:10:33.000Let me ask you about the issue that I really want to talk to you about.
00:10:39.000What is the acquiescence in the press, in the collaboration, in the press, in the liberal establishment, in people who I grew up with who were just relentless defenders of the Constitution, human rights groups, environmental groups, all the people who believe strongly in democracy and civil rights.
00:11:04.000What is it about the human brain that allows them to ignore what's happening right now?
00:11:11.000You know, that is a great question, and I don't know the answer to that.
00:11:16.000I mean, in a way, that's an even more fundamental question.
00:11:19.000What is happening and has happened to the press, you know, both to, I would say, both to legacy media and to these new, you know, tech giants and social media companies.
00:11:27.000What has happened to them in the last few years?
00:11:30.000You know, why is it that they are engaged in this incredible group thing?
00:11:33.000And You know, look, I think you can blame Donald Trump for part of it.
00:12:43.000Women can get an abortion without having to go in a back alley.
00:12:50.000That is something that shouldn't happen in the United States of America, in my opinion.
00:12:55.000I don't like abortion any more than anybody else, but making it illegal doesn't stop it, okay?
00:12:59.000So, you know, we have made giant strides, I think, in cultural progress in the last 50 years.
00:13:05.000But at some point, the media stopped saying that both sides, you know, should be heard in these debates, whether they're the cultural ones or the political ones.
00:13:16.000And with the coronavirus, I mean, it sort of all exploded at once because this was a perfect issue to beat Donald Trump over the head with because he's not very empathetic and, you know, and he's not, you know, to the extent he has leadership strengths, they are that he's sort of irreverent and will do things that other people might not do, like, you know, like have Kassim Soleimani killed, right?
00:13:40.000That was something that Barack Obama could have done and didn't, and Donald Trump did it, and it seems to have more or less worked out to the good in the Middle East.
00:13:47.000But Donald Trump is not what anyone would call a steady leader, and he's not what anyone would call empathetic.
00:13:53.000And so this crisis, they were able to beat him over the head for things he had done and things he hadn't done.
00:14:01.000And essentially that's why he lost the election, I think.
00:14:04.000I mean, I think it's pretty clear at this point that he probably would have won if not for the coronavirus.
00:14:08.000And so that meant making the coronavirus crisis as bad as it could possibly be.
00:14:15.000And that meant the endless death counting and without telling people who really died, you know, that really, unless you are extremely old or extremely unhealthy, you have to be extremely unlucky to die from the coronavirus.
00:14:29.000Without telling people that, you know, lockdowns, there's essentially next to no evidence they've done any good in the United States, that there's very little evidence that masks do any good, that all this public health, that all these measures had very, very little science behind them, either before March of 2020 or in the year since.
00:14:48.000I mean, you're starting to see some pushback because, you know, people are like, what happened to Florida?
00:14:53.000Why isn't Florida, you know, filled with dead old people?
00:14:55.000And the reason is that lockdowns Don't seem to matter once this virus gets at all endemic, right?
00:15:02.000So unless you're New Zealand and you lock down really hard and really early and close your borders, you just have to live with it.
00:15:07.000And so that happened last year, and it supercharged this process that the media had gone through.
00:16:15.000And unless somebody is watching very carefully, it's going to pass by without notice.
00:16:19.000The Washington Post did the same thing in an absolutely absurd way where they rewrote the lead of an article about Kamala Harris After she became Biden's nominee for vice president to make it much more powerful, much more friendly to her.
00:16:34.000So I do think, I think the media is in crisis.
00:16:37.000And I think the reason that people, you know, me and Glenn Greenwald and even somebody like Joe Rogan, why, you know, why Look, I should not have the voice that I have here.
00:16:51.000I wrote a bunch of hopefully pretty good spy novels, and then I wrote this book about cannabis.
00:16:57.000The Times is a global news organization.
00:17:01.000But they're not covering this the right way.
00:17:03.000They're not asking the right questions, whether it's about any of the non-pharmaceutical interventions or about these vaccines.
00:17:10.000And neither is the Washington Post, and neither is CNN, and neither is MSNBC. And people feel desperate to have somebody like me, even if they sometimes think I'm wrong, even if I say things that are stupid, sometimes even if I go too far, even if I'm sarcastic when I shouldn't be, just to have somebody with a real journalistic background asking questions they are desperate for.
00:17:31.000How much of that media bias, particularly in the mainstream media, do you think is linked to pharmaceutical advertising revenues?
00:17:41.000I mean, I think only a small amount, honestly.
00:17:44.000When I worked for The Times, I covered the drug industry for a number of years, and I was allowed to write whatever I wanted.
00:17:52.000Nobody who reads those stories would say that I was a pawn of the pharmaceutical industry.
00:17:57.000And honestly, that's where my skepticism about the vaccines comes from, right?
00:18:01.000Because it doesn't come from an anti-vax background.
00:18:04.000It comes from a cynic about big pharma background.
00:18:08.000And to me, again, these products are very different than traditional vaccines, and they were moved through the pipeline incredibly fast, you know, basically less than a year from invention to going in people's arms.
00:18:21.000And the normal procedures that exist for a reason were not followed.
00:18:26.000And journalists should be asking questions about that, even if the ultimate answer is these vaccines are, you know, are very safe overall and we need them to defeat COVID, which I think the jury is out on both of those questions still.
00:18:40.000Even if those answers prove to be yes, the questions about how quickly they were moved through the pipeline have to be asked, and nobody has.
00:18:51.000Here's an example of the way the conspiracy theorist believes this works.
00:18:55.000Well, Bill Gates is paying off all these journalists and all these academics.
00:19:00.000And, you know, they're all getting all this money from Bill Gates, and they all think the same.
00:19:04.000Well, it's more complicated than that, right?
00:19:07.000It's not like Bill Gates is giving the editor of the New York Times $2 million on the QT to say something nice about the vaccines.
00:19:16.000What Bill Gates has done over a period of decades, and what George Soros has also done, they've done this very smartly, is they've slowly built up an infrastructure, sort of a self-reinforcing academic media, They're doing it because they think their policy points are right.
00:19:37.000But if you offered a journalist a million dollars and said, you know what, I want you to write story X, Y, or Z, I think most journalists at the New York Times would say no to that.
00:19:49.000They view that as contemptible and corrupting, and they wouldn't do that.
00:19:53.000But if you said to the same journalist, Come to my conference in Telluride this spring, and we'll fly you back and forth, and we'll put you in a hotel, and you can have a couple thousand dollars because you're going to have to take a week off or whatever it is.
00:20:08.000That's something I can take, probably.
00:20:10.000I mean, most journalists would be okay taking that.
00:20:15.000That's not, oh, I didn't take a million dollars from you.
00:20:17.000What it is, is it's putting me in a world where everybody's thinking the same way.
00:20:22.000And if I'm not very careful, I'm pretty soon not going to know what I don't know anymore.
00:20:29.000And I think one reason that the response to Tell Your Children was so vigorous and angry and why some of my reporting on the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines has been so vigorous and angry is these people legitimately have no idea what they don't know.
00:20:45.000And with the vaccines, Once those headline figures came out in November of this is 90 to 95% efficacious, nobody stopped and looked at what the trials had actually shown, who'd actually been enrolled, what the side effect profile actually was.
00:21:02.000So when I come out and say, all of you are saying that there's Absolutely no issues here about pregnancy.
00:21:08.000Not infertility, but active pregnancies.
00:21:10.000Yet, when you look at the only animal studies that were done, there were significantly more pregnancy loss, or there was more than double the pregnancy loss in rats that got the vaccine than that got a placebo.
00:21:32.000So people, it's much easier to say that I'm a conspiracy theorist and here I am with RFK Jr.
00:21:39.000spreading conspiracy than saying, you know what, like, I didn't actually know that.
00:21:43.000What did the companies do to follow that signal up?
00:21:47.000And the answer appears to be they did nothing.
00:21:50.000And so maybe that's a cause for concern when you see these miscarriage reports showing up in VAERS. So when you don't know what you don't know, it's a lot easier to shoot the messenger than to actually try to hear the message.
00:23:49.000So I think that Tony Fauci is a bureaucrat, okay?
00:23:53.000He's a senior-level bureaucrat, but he's a bureaucrat.
00:23:56.000It wasn't his job to decide whether to shut the country down.
00:24:00.000And it wasn't his job to decide whether to close schools.
00:24:05.000His job is to tell policymakers who speak for all of us and who have to balance all our competing interests, here's what I see as the risks and benefits of courses A, B, C, and D. And then even if one path might lead to more COVID deaths, if it leads to better outcomes for children, that's something that has to be considered.
00:24:29.000But Fauci really seemed to only care about one thing, which was containing COVID. And that's his job.
00:24:37.000But we didn't let Oppenheimer decide whether to drop the bomb on Hiroshima.
00:25:05.000Is it clear that, you know, he, you know, until COVID, he basically seemed to care mostly about HIV and none of the other stuff that you're talking about?
00:25:15.000Yeah, I mean, I think all those things are true, but to me, that's To call him the villain is to give him too much power.
00:25:23.000He shouldn't be the villain or the hero.
00:25:26.000But one more thing about him, again, it's not just podcasts.
00:25:30.000He's very clearly willing to talk to reporters at length.
00:25:33.000He's very, very, very good at getting his side of the story out.
00:25:37.000And he also, it seems clear to me, that when HIV happened in the 80s, And he was demonized because people, you know, people were dying.
00:25:47.000He understood that, you know, body count can trump almost anything and that these stories are inherently political.
00:25:53.000And so he doesn't want to be the villain.
00:25:56.000He wants to be the hero and he's very good at making himself the hero.
00:25:59.000But it was, you know, Donald Trump or, you know, if there'd been a different president, a different president who should have said, I'm in charge.
00:26:10.000I will make the final decisions, you know, to the extent you can within a federalized system where governors are also making decisions.
00:26:17.000And by mid-April, certainly, at the latest of last year, when it was clear that this virus, however serious it is, and it is serious, it does kill people, it certainly has led to excess deaths in the United States in the last year, that this virus could not overwhelm our hospital system,
00:26:35.000that it could not kill enough sort of young, healthy people to have any impact on the food chain or anything like that, that we could manage this going forward as a medical problem Somebody needed to say to Tony Fauci, that's what we're going to do.
00:26:50.000We're not going to make this a societal problem.
00:26:53.000We're going to manage this in the medical system, and we should have stuck to that.
00:27:07.000Metaphor that you just did with Hiroshima and my uncle, President Kennedy, during the Cuban Missile Crisis had 13 people on his excom who were the world's experts in diplomacy and statecraft and warcraft and spycraft and they all gave him advice and all of their advice was you go into Cuba.
00:27:32.000You either go with the military or you drop a bomb.
00:28:01.000You know, unfortunately, with Fauci, he was given the power that you say, you know, nobody consulted an economist and said, you know, there's a whole school of economics that started in the 1980s.
00:28:20.000It says, what happens when you downsize, you know, large corporations and you create massive unemployment?
00:28:27.000What does that do to the social health?
00:28:29.000And what they found was At every point, unemployment kills 37,000 Americans.
00:29:01.000You know, I read a study last week that was very interesting to me because you were mentioning about lockdowns.
00:29:09.000There's no science that says locking people down is going to stop the spread of an infectious disease.
00:29:15.000And there's a lot of indication, you know, I heard yesterday people gained 10 to 20 pounds during lockdowns.
00:29:22.000That's not a good, that's bad for, you know, for dads that, you know, you don't go in the sunlight, you don't have sports, you're depressed, all of these stress.
00:29:34.000But this was a peer-reviewed study that came out of Canada and they looked at Two different sets of states.
00:29:42.000They looked at Minnesota and Wisconsin, which are neighboring states, and that's completely different.
00:29:46.000Minnesota had a very, very strict lockdown policy.
00:30:18.000I mean, I guess one thing that I wonder about and I don't fully understand yet is So the public health authorities have been demonstrably wrong about a lot of things in the last year, the lockdowns most especially, but certainly I think people would now agree that school closures are a mistake.
00:30:35.000We can argue about masks, but there's not great evidence for masks.
00:30:39.000You can sort of try to look at one state versus another state.
00:30:42.000It's very hard to tell who has mask mandates and who doesn't.
00:30:45.000Why is it that all those mistakes have Haven't led to more skepticism about the COVID vaccines, which are really more intrusive than anything else.
00:30:56.000So the most intrusive thing you can do to somebody is inject them with a drug or a vaccine against their will.
00:31:06.000If you're a psychiatric patient, a doctor has to get a court order to do that to you, because we know how intrusive it is.
00:31:14.000And yet these vaccines, which again, Basically, the mRNAs are based on technology that has never been used in any therapeutic product before.
00:31:27.000And that really was tested in mere hundreds of people before all of this began last year.
00:31:32.000And that the company that is a leader in it, Moderna, had sort of missed its deadlines for years and years and years because working mRNA is much harder than the sort of 50,000-foot picture makes it seem.
00:31:57.000And let me maybe do a little research on what mRNA is and how this is injected into the body and what is this lipid nanoparticle that protects it.
00:32:08.000And, you know, what are some of the risks here that the clinical trials, even a large clinical trial, might not have found because we only had a couple months of safety data, and for many of the subjects in that trial, only weeks of safety data.
00:32:25.000And then the flip side of that is, at this point, we know who dies from COVID, okay?
00:32:30.000And we know that people under COVID You know, certainly people under 20, but even up to 30, 40, you know, even 50, if they're reasonably healthy, are very low risk, okay?
00:32:41.000Your risk, you know, listen, if you're 40 and morbidly obese, you can die from this.
00:32:44.000If you're, you know, certainly if you're 60, if you have any kind of chronic condition, you have some risk.
00:32:48.000Not a huge risk, even at 60, but some risk.
00:32:53.000Maybe, given what we now know that we didn't know a year ago when we felt, you know what, this is going to kill 10 million Americans and we need to rush You know, nothing can be permitted to slow the development of these vaccines.
00:33:07.000Maybe this is not the flu, but it is more in keeping with a bad seasonal flu than with the Spanish flu, much less something like Ebola, okay?
00:33:17.000So if you put it on a spectrum, you'd certainly say the death count is much closer to a seasonal flu than to the Spanish flu, which killed 50 million people around the world, right?
00:33:28.000So, maybe we should think about this and we should at least ask some questions and ask about the regulators.
00:33:34.000And one thing that happened, Robert, that shocks me.
00:33:37.000Okay, so some hackers got in to the European Medicines Agency and they hacked some documents about You know, where the regulators were talking to each other about some of the political pressure that they faced to approve these vaccines very quickly and about the political pressure that the FDA faced and some questions that they had about the manufacturing process of these vaccines.
00:33:59.000Those have basically not been reported.
00:34:02.000And the excuse is, well, we don't want to encourage people to steal documents.
00:34:13.000And no one is claiming that the information in them is not correct.
00:34:18.000But this has become now this convenient ideological thing since the Hillary Clinton emails where if the data that comes out of a leak is problematic to your cause ideologically, you just say it's a leak.
00:34:32.000And the reason I can tell you that I know that this is pure ideology is you will find journalists, there was a guy on a well-known Washington Post reporter, I believe it was the Washington Post, a year or two ago begging people who worked for the Trump administration Or the Trump Organization, or both, to leak documents to him.
00:34:52.000Okay, which is, I mean, actually, in a way, that's more problematic, because you're asking for specific things from specific people.
00:35:04.000Certainly, they were concerned about the political pressure that they knew that they were going to face, and that story didn't get reported anywhere.
00:35:13.000And what about the The suppression of news, for example, YouTube videos of doctors who are saying, you know, here are treatment doctors who have, you know, like Peter McCulloch has 600 peer-reviewed publications, more than anybody in his specialty, who's saying, I've treated thousands of patients and here's what's working for us.
00:35:40.000And by the way, I published this In the Journal of American Medical Association.
00:35:47.000And here's a peer-reviewed publication by one of the highest gravitas journals in the country.
00:35:54.000I'm going to take four slides out of that peer-reviewed publication and explain so that doctors in the hospitals and elsewhere know how to treat their patients prior to getting them to the hospital.
00:36:31.000You know, there's sort of basically more hypothesis generating than hypothesis proving that, you know, it's a lot of open label stuff and that when people have tried to run randomized controlled trials, they haven't gotten great results.
00:36:42.000But again, that's not something I've looked at, okay?
00:36:44.000And I like to look at stuff where there's RCTs, okay?
00:36:47.000But what you're talking about is different, right?
00:36:49.000It's not the question of whether or not these work.
00:36:53.000It's the question of whether or not we're allowed to talk about them.
00:36:55.000Whether we're allowed to talk about treatments that aren't the vaccine.
00:37:00.000And to me, it's very problematic when YouTube is removing videos.
00:37:06.000Even stuff that might be outright conspiratorial.
00:37:08.000Because the solution to speech is more speech.
00:37:11.000And most people, they're not going to go too far down a rabbit hole.
00:37:16.000And if they do, hopefully they'll come out.
00:37:18.000Most people eventually probably will get bored with whatever the conspiracy theory of the day is.
00:38:25.000Okay, let me tell you, as somebody who's gotten death threats on Twitter, social media is a cesspool for stuff like that.
00:38:30.000And once again, it is only, you know, people who are speaking out against causes that Facebook likes or is supporting that are getting punished that way, as far as I can tell.
00:39:13.000And to me, it's going to drive people who wouldn't be conspiracy theorists to becoming conspiracy theorists.
00:39:20.000First of all, let me just say, let me put another seed in your head.
00:39:25.000Meryl Nass is a really accomplished doctor who publishes a lot of stuff.
00:39:30.000She's done a spreadsheet of all of the peer-reviewed that have just been done on ivermectin and on hydroxychloroquine and when you go through it, it's very very convincing.
00:39:41.000There are literally hundreds of studies on those.
00:39:45.000Did you follow it all The sabotage campaign where they...
00:39:51.000The piece in the Lancet that the Lancet had to retract.
00:39:56.000Jam out the New England Journal of Medicine.
00:39:59.000Actually, the New England Journal of Medicine, I think, was the one that did the Brazilian study where people died and the Brazilian government actually filed indictments for murder.
00:40:12.000I guess the people who had conducted that study, because they were using five times the lethal dose of hydroxychloroquine, apparently the purpose was to discredit it, and all three simultaneously, which never happens, published on these studies, and then two of them had to retract them, and the third one should have Retracted it as well.
00:40:37.000And there was silence in the media about that.
00:40:42.000And to me, the number one reason that that happened that way was Trump, again, it was a way to punish Trump.
00:40:48.000He was seen as a supporter of HCQ. And so attacking the drug was attacking him and making him look foolish.
00:40:56.000And they were so excited to do that, that they forgot that the data wasn't real.
00:41:00.000Now, I mean, since then, people have said to me, well, the real reason this has happened is that these are cheap treatments and drug companies can't make any money off them.
00:41:13.000I mean, it is true that there is a tendency in medicine to use the newest, most expensive product that's got a pharmaceutical sales force behind it.
00:41:22.000You know, the joke is that, you know, for the first few years of the patent, it's the greatest thing ever.
00:41:28.000And then as the patent is wearing off, you find out all the things that were terrible about it all along, and you're on to the next great thing.
00:41:35.000Now, again, although I'm a cynic about the drug industry, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, and the industry has certainly created products that are lifesavers for millions of people over the years.
00:41:47.000I don't think anybody can disagree with that, whether it's AIDS, drugs, or statins, or even antidepressants have helped a lot of people.
00:41:54.000But what's important is to be honest about the efficacy profile and the side effects.
00:42:00.000And it is up to the regulators to make sure the companies are doing that, because they will always tend to hype.
00:42:06.000And it is up to the press to make sure the regulators are doing their job.
00:42:09.000And both the press and the regulators have failed in the case of these vaccines.
00:42:12.000Let me point out one more thing about the vaccines.
00:42:15.000Again, the COVID vaccines is what I'm talking about.
00:42:40.000And there are also supposed to be no approved treatments if you're going to have something that's allowed under an EUA. And it looks to me like the monoclonal antibodies are actually approvable, fully approvable, if the companies would start that, you know, would push that process along.
00:42:55.000Because they've really been shown to reduce death, unlike the vaccines.
00:43:11.000I mean, I think that's basically impossible as a practical matter to get to.
00:43:16.000What you can get to, though, what you should be able to get to is all-cause mortality, right?
00:43:21.000So you should be able to say, here are the number of people who died of any cause after getting the COVID vaccine in this trial or in this large epidemiological real-world study versus the people who didn't.
00:43:36.000Because if the vaccine saves half the people dying from COVID, but You know, if it saves 50 people from dying from COVID, but 100 have strokes, that's not a win.
00:43:47.000And yet, nowhere can I find any all-cause mortality data, aside from Just a handful of people who died in both arms of the clinical trials.
00:44:23.000And if the answer is, you know, there's a slight advantage to the vaccine, or you actually know the unvaccinated population had slightly fewer deaths, whatever it might be, let's get the answer.
00:44:36.000I don't know if you know the history of this, but the reason that we don't have that data is because they have a dysfunctional surveillance system.
00:44:44.000And everybody agrees that in 2010, CDC commissioned, because they were under pressure, a study and a pilot program to switch to a machine counting system.
00:44:59.000And they did a A pilot program at the Harvard Pilgrim.
00:45:04.000Yes, I've heard about this, but go on.
00:45:07.000Well, they did a pilot program at Harvard Pilgrim, which is one of the smaller HMOs, and they use this new machine counting system, which does a cluster analysis.
00:45:17.000They take all the data from the HMO, which has all the vaccines you've ever received, down to lot number and batch number, And it has all your medical claims.
00:45:27.000You then later get diabetes or arthritis or developmental disorders or are buying EpiPens.
00:45:37.000And so they did a cluster analysis and they could connect certain vaccines to certain injuries with precision.
00:45:44.000And they came back and they said, okay, here's what we've learned.
00:45:48.000First of all, this works like a charm.
00:45:50.000And CDC's plan was to roll it out to all the other HMOs.
00:45:54.000He said, we are seeing injuries, not one in a million serious injuries, but one in every 40 people who gets a vaccine.
00:46:02.000You know, but we can make this system works and we're going to be able to get all those injuries.
00:46:07.000And CDC immediately killed that program because they don't want a, you know, and in fact, the study was done by AHRQ, the Agency for Healthcare Research, which is another HHS agency.
00:46:23.000And they worked on it for three years and came back and said, this works like a charm.
00:46:29.000In the report that AHRQ handed in, they published, it says CDC stopped answering their phone once we showed them this data.
00:46:52.000I mean, look, we saw an example of this yesterday.
00:46:57.000There's no question that VAERS and the voluntary surveillance systems miss a huge number of events.
00:47:01.000I don't know if they miss 99% or 95% or 90% or 80%, but they miss a huge percentage of events.
00:47:08.000Let me just tell you one other anecdote, and I don't know if you've heard this, but what you said that got us into this conversation is correct.
00:47:21.000You know, I'm suing Merck for the Gardasil vaccine, and when you look at the Gardasil vaccine, there are all kinds of deaths in the vaccine groups.
00:47:32.000There are suicides, there are car accidents, and then there are just a range of deaths, you know, autoimmune disease and strokes or all this kind of thing, and you have to count all of them.
00:47:46.000In the placebo group, there was no deaths.
00:47:49.000What they'll say is, well, a car accident isn't a vaccine death.
00:48:45.000But I did say he's part of a bunch of people dying right after the vaccine and used all the reports coming from Gibraltar and France.
00:48:53.000The New York Times does a report saying Kennedy is wrong, and this was everywhere around the country, but the initial one was the New York Times, the Fulton County coroner's office said it was his death.
00:49:26.000And so-- I mean, what's stunning to me is that there are cases that somebody literally seizes after five minutes after the vaccination and gets taken to an ER and to a hospital And those cases The CDC or the state health authorities or the companies will say are not provably related.
00:49:49.000I mean, if those aren't going to be considered vaccine-caused deaths, I don't know what is.
00:50:03.000The British and the Europeans are trying to figure out what's happening with the AstraZeneca vaccine and this very unusual situation you have where your platelets go down and you have blood clots and it looks like the vaccine is causing some kind of immunogenicity and the antibodies are attacking your platelets and people are having these terrible...
00:50:37.000And these are young people, and these are events that should really stand out.
00:50:42.000Last week, one week ago, the British, which is the home of the AstraZeneca vaccine, AstraZeneca is a British company and has distributed more of that vaccine than anybody else.
00:50:54.000They said, we're not really seeing a problem here.
00:50:56.000We see 30 reports of events and seven deaths out of 18 million cases.
00:51:31.000What happened was finally doctors in the UK are really paying attention and they're not missing any events.
00:51:38.000And so most of those 50 probably were previous So what I'm saying to you is even this very rare condition that's very dangerous, that you would expect doctors not to miss, a majority of the cases were missed until last week.
00:51:57.000So you can't come up with a better example of the limitations of a voluntary surveillance system than that.
00:52:05.000And, you know, is that happening in the U.S.? Is it happening in Europe?
00:52:08.000Are we going to see a bump in, you know, these thromboembolic and thrombocytopenic events now that doctors are looking for them?