Dr. Robert Malone joins Jeff Hayes of Jeff Hayes Films to discuss his new film, The Real Anthony Fauci . Dr. Malone has a long history of working with Dr. Anthony Fauxci, and has been one of the most influential people in the HIV field for decades. In this episode of the podcast Jeff and Robert talk about his work on the new film and his relationship with the late, great scientist. They also discuss the film and the impact it has had on the scientific community, and discuss how Dr. Malcolm became the face and voice of HIV research in the late 1980s and early 90s, and how he became a villain in the eyes of the scientific establishment. And, of course, there's a lot more! Jeff Hayes is a writer, director, producer, and producer based in Seattle, WA. He's also a regular contributor to the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, and is a frequent contributor to The New York Magazine. He's been featured in the Hollywood Reporter, The New Yorker, and The Hollywood Reporter. This episode was produced by Jeff Hayes and is available on Amazon Prime and Vimeo. Thank you for listening and supporting this podcast. Please remember to rate, review and subscribe to our podcast on Apple Podcasts and subscribe on your favorite streaming platform so you can stay up to date with the latest episodes of the show. and stay informed about what's going on in the world of HIV and AIDS. . and other related to the HIV/AIDS field. Thanks for listening to this podcast and our other greats! Your continued support is greatly appreciated! Cheers, Dr. Jeff Hayes - Elyssa and Dr. Robert M. Malone and his films are much appreciated by Dr. Bob Gallo and his work is much appreciated. - Thank you so much for being a friend of the HIV & AIDS Research and the AIDS Project, and for all the work he does in this podcast, and so much so much more. -- Thank you Dr. Jay and his support is so much appreciated -- this podcast is a must-listen to the AIDS Research Institute. of the AIDS Resistance Project. , and we hope you enjoy this podcast! -- and we really appreciate your support is much more than just a little bit more than that's possible -- I hope you can see it! and we appreciate you, too, thank you.
00:00:21.000Well, that's happened several times, so thank you for answering when we call.
00:00:27.000I really loved your appearances in the film.
00:00:31.000The thing that only I know is, you know, it's also heartbreaking in that, you know, we did several hours of interviews with you for the film and used probably a total of, you know, Eight to ten minutes.
00:00:48.000And so there's so much great material that I know we have one thing that people can buy where they get all this extra footage.
00:00:57.000I'm really excited for those people to see that just because the information that you provide is always fascinating and interesting and compelling.
00:01:11.000But mostly I want to thank you for doing what you do.
00:01:16.000Now, you guys are the ones, pretty sure, I did an extended interview last fall with.
00:01:23.000Yes, with Patrick Gentempo interviewing you, and then we did the interview where we sent someone, maybe it was in New York, where it was, you know, not an interviewer with you.
00:01:35.000Yeah, so are you going to include that fall hit in this package?
00:01:43.000Not the one with Patrick Gentempo, the one that we filmed you where we only filmed one side.
00:01:50.000Okay, so the one with Patrick, I would love, there are two interviews that I've done over the whole course of all this crazy interview.
00:01:59.000That are fairly comprehensive summaries of the history, the early history.
00:02:52.000And very early on, he said, masks don't work for this, and it's not worth it, and you can actually cause more trouble by wearing a mask because people touch their face.
00:03:26.000Malone had already had a rich history with Dr.
00:03:31.000Fauci and seeing the damage that he had.
00:03:36.000Can you comment a little bit about that, just about your personal interactions with him over the years?
00:03:43.000So I've only met him in person, up close and personal, in his office once, and that was probably about 2000.
00:03:53.000It was brought in by a colleague of mine, Dr.
00:03:57.000Cecil Fox, that ran a company called Molecular Histology that had done a lot of Tony's very technical work.
00:04:05.000I don't want to go into the words having to do with localizing the AIDS virus in various tissues.
00:04:12.000But other than that, I've met him repeatedly in the context of Just so many presentations, announcements, public interactions, particularly scientific ones.
00:04:25.000And all the way through, he's always been somebody for whom the rules did not apply.
00:04:32.000Things that myself and my colleagues were bound to rigorously or we would be at risk for losing our ability to do clinical research None of those rules ever applied to Tony Fauci.
00:04:46.000He is amazingly arrogant and dismissive and has all of those various characteristics, has a sense of just deep entitlement.
00:05:00.000And it was really captured, I think, over the last three years, we've seen him at a level of kind of reveal and intimacy that I've never seen before.
00:05:14.000I've seen him do these various activities and because of my various quirks and my background, I knew quite a bit of him and Bob Gallo and those interactions.
00:05:26.000But the things like the interviews in which he asserts that he is science and just so many others, That demonstrate his, you know, narcissism, I think, is the most benign term for what we've seen,
00:05:42.000you know, up until this recent recording where he was receiving an award from one of the academic groups that he gives funding to in Seattle, Washington, Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, where he said he spoke about the Fauci effect.
00:06:01.000I mean, this is just a man who is so surrounded by sycophants and has been for so long.
00:06:06.000He has developed an amazing sense of entitlement and self-centeredness.
00:06:15.000He has portraits of himself on his walls.
00:06:27.000I'm not a psychiatrist or psychoanalyst, but I do believe strongly that his activities throughout his career have profoundly compromised the scientific enterprise in both biodefense and infectious disease and allergy research.
00:06:47.000It's amazing to me, as I got to know you and as I got to know Peter McCullough, we take a couple of men who are really at the top of their profession, well-respected, and if you step outside of the narrative, the machine quickly grinds you up.
00:07:06.000And if you look into who's driving the machine over and over, it's Anthony Fauci.
00:07:13.000So to that end, as you probably know, we do a substack and we treat it like a business, just like you treat your film studio as a business.
00:07:22.000And one of the substacks we put out, we did a deep dive into Tony Fauci, his actual employment status, rank, compensation, and some various aspects of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, and some various aspects of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease,
00:07:42.000And one of those included using publicly available databases to search out information about the staffing that he has available to support him in a PR sense for managing press and for managing Congress.
00:08:00.000He has over 60 FTE, full-time employees, serving him in managing his social media and press interactions.
00:08:12.000And then I think there's eight in the office that manage the interactions with Congress.
00:08:17.000And that's just for NIA. That isn't for the total NIH. I think most press organizations would consider that to be a pretty robust newsroom.
00:11:26.000Malone, again, I thank you for everything you do.
00:11:29.000I thank you for your willingness Over the last year and a half to visit with us and film with us and you make the world a better place and you certainly improve my world so thank you.
00:13:30.000Jeff, that's the first time I've watched part two completely to the end.
00:13:36.000Can't thank you and the production team enough for putting that together.
00:13:40.000Yeah, like I said, I watched it night before last, and after seeing it so many times and so many different iterations and versions of it, I'm like, wow, this is really good.
00:14:46.000This, like all projects, has many parents.
00:14:51.000And so we had a husband and wife team who were primary editors on...
00:14:57.000I don't know, half or so of the film, and Sean was primary editor on the other half, but also had to assemble everything and also did all of the graphics and artwork in it.
00:15:08.000So one of the most talented people I know.
00:15:26.000I sat back and, you know, I watched both parts.
00:15:30.000And, you know, for me, the second part in ways was more powerful to me because I had already deeply studied and read Bobby's book.
00:15:40.000And I thought the first part really covered that in a really powerful way.
00:15:45.000But I don't know that the second part brought things home in these...
00:15:50.000I mean, there were things that came in the second part that I was not aware of.
00:15:54.000And they really, you know, Robert just said the same, you know, he said to be a student of media and film over the last, we've been a student of a lot of things.
00:16:02.000But for me, the regulatory capture, you know, the corporations literally running our government, you can talk about multiple industries, but the things that came out in the second part, The most egregious and brazen examples of the fact that pharmaceutical companies control those agencies and have for a long time.
00:16:23.000And there was just innumerable and quite scary examples of that.
00:16:49.000Like, I was just thinking just in a practical level, if I wanted to hide something, I would ask for two years, five years.
00:16:55.000I mean, the 75 years is just absolutely shocking that they actually did that, and they're doing that for a pharmaceutical company.
00:17:04.000And then the other part, and I could go over the things that stayed with me, but the part about the redactions on the FOIA requests for the payments, $350 million over a decade, and they will not tell you the dollar amount for the scientists, and they will not tell you who gave that money.
00:17:21.000And so you're seeing an agency awash in industry money, and they are hiding it from us.
00:17:28.000Maybe I'm going in too deep too fast, but it's very hard to watch that because that's literally the basis of our lives and society right now.
00:17:36.000I mean, we got overrun with COVID and it's these agencies driving it for industry.
00:17:49.000Jeff, would you like to take the time to introduce our special guest that just joined us?
00:17:54.000Yeah, so Bobby Kennedy is here, obviously.
00:17:57.000I gotta tell you, I'm so inspired by the ending of this film when Bobby tells the crowd, our job now is to go out and the people that are still hypnotized, we will fight for you until you wake up.
00:18:14.000And this rallying call, you know, it is not a fight that we're against these people that disagree with us.
00:18:23.000We're in this fight for them, and that's easy to put your heart behind.
00:18:27.000Bobby, thank you so much for taking the time to be here.
00:18:45.000The one thing that stuck with me from that conference more than anything was the chart that you showed, Pierre, of the...
00:18:55.000Of all the drugs, I think there are like 50 drugs on that list that treat COVID at different levels of efficacy.
00:19:02.000And I think they were arranged in order of the most effective drugs, you know, with the highest impact studies with the most effective drugs.
00:19:14.000And it said, it claims, I think Paxovid was 85% effective, which I don't know if that's true or not.
00:20:10.000You know, illustration of what we're in now that this is not nothing to do with public health.
00:20:16.000You know, Bobby, it's almost like I was just talking about, you know, in the second part of the documentary, you know, the images of the redacted payments, you know, and they just, they take, they hide the payments and who it's from, but it's just a visual, like you see this and it just says so much, but you're right, that chart, it's about three dozen different compounds have been tested.
00:20:37.000To get on that chart, you needed at least two trials.
00:20:41.000Ivermectin was the number one which had more than four trials.
00:20:47.000But the point is what you just said is that of all of the dozens of effective compounds, antiviral, anti-inflammatory that have shown efficacy, The only things approved in this country are obscenely profitable patented drugs.
00:21:03.000Nothing off patent, not even vitamin D, nothing is approved.
00:21:43.000So, yeah, it gets a little complicated.
00:21:46.000Paxlovid inhibits a protease that ivermectin also inhibits.
00:21:50.000So it has one mechanism that's shared with ivermectin.
00:21:52.000But the thing about ivermectin, it has about 12 to 20 different other mechanisms in which it's effective and Paxilvid is a really lame, narrow overlap with ivermectin.
00:22:06.000Ivermectin has a lot more to offer than Paxilvid.
00:22:09.000When you just brought up the fact that Paxilvid was number one on that list, that actually was an outdated slide because since the other trials on Paxilvid have come out, Paxilvid has slid far down on that list.
00:22:32.000And I don't want to get too geeky here, but in the molnupiravir trials, or in the one trial, it was multi-country trial.
00:22:39.000It failed in every country except in Brazil.
00:22:42.000And Brazil is notorious for having corrupt, what's called contract research organizations, groups that actually carry out the studies And that was the only country that it was affected.
00:22:52.000Gates did a lot of his research and they ended up one of those research groups actually that was hired to His credit, I think, was hydroxychloroquine, and they actually, I think they gave him the five times the lethal dose.
00:23:08.000They killed a lot of elderly patients, and they would end up being prosecuted by local prosecutors for murder.
00:23:22.000The actual principal investigators, like from the Solidarity trial where they did this, they've been asked by reporters, how did you come up with this dose?
00:23:31.000And they give conflicting answers, and they could not cover up how they chose really what was a sublethal dose.
00:23:39.000They literally made the patients toxic with this dose in order to prove that your drug didn't work.
00:26:21.000It's important to understand that modern biology As practiced molecular biology, virology, microbiology, biochemistry is in significant part a consequence of massive, massive sustained biowarfare spending by the U.S. government.
00:26:43.000The head of the American Society of Microbiology for years was one of the top people in our biowarfare complex.
00:26:51.000This goes way back to World War II. I don't know if it goes back further than that.
00:26:57.000I was told at one point in a briefing that the investments in biowarfare exceeded the investments in thermonuclear war.
00:27:06.000So this whole infrastructure that we have in much of the faculty has been, certainly since Vietnam War era, has been grown up in an environment in which the The big money, which is what everybody has to chase if you want to get papers and become a very important person and win Nobel Prizes.
00:27:26.000The big money has always been in this interface of bio-warfare and infectious disease and medical countermeasures.
00:27:39.000In one of those terms is the Yellow Berets.
00:27:42.000Much of the NIH infrastructure is built off of people who sought a pathway, upper middle class or upper class, children of the wealthy or the upper middle class, that sought a pathway to defer children.
00:27:58.000The draft, to avoid the draft by joining the Public Health Service.
00:28:02.000And Tony Fauci is one notable example of that.
00:28:07.000So we've had this long, massive investment, and it's run through both nonprofits.
00:28:14.000Patel, you were very generous not to mention some of those corporate names as you skipped through the data in your film clips.
00:28:22.000There is a huge infrastructure that's been built up at universities and in nonprofits and nongovernmental organizations over decades.
00:28:31.000And that all shifted with the signing of the Biowarfare Treaty.
00:28:35.000But it kind of stayed and went underground.
00:28:38.000And I'm very glad that you covered, Jeff, the Anthrax attacks.
00:28:43.000I think you were still soft-peddling that.
00:28:47.000Personally, I think that's even more nefarious than you covered.
00:28:50.000And, you know, that was sold to us as another Saddam Hussein is the bad guy.
00:28:56.000It was clearly intended to be deployed in that way through the language used in the letters, etc., The FBI itself calls it Amerithrax.
00:29:08.000And for some reason, they never got to the bottom of that, despite having abundant data.
00:29:13.000And there remains a lot of controversy.
00:29:15.000So what we're dealing with is a deeply, deeply entrenched interface between academe, microbiology, molecular biology and And this biodefense industrial complex that I think that's another strength of the part two is the identification of Dick Cheney and his leadership role.
00:29:40.000And once again, Jeff, you kind of pulled your punches.
00:29:44.000We could do a whole film just on what happened right around there, which really set the whole train in motion.
00:29:50.000And what's been fascinating is these same folks have persisted through time.
00:29:55.000Bob Cadillac is one example and have remained within this complex and then now have been promoted further up into these global organizations.
00:30:10.000So really, we're now in a situation in which the intelligence community is deeply embedded throughout this.
00:30:19.000And as you also appropriately note, Jeff, I think you used the term, it's the tip of the spear of American foreign policy.
00:30:27.000It's long been the case that infectious disease and infectious disease intelligence It's been used, exploited as a tool to gain information about emerging economies and many opponents, of course, including the People's Republic of China.
00:30:48.000I often am amused when I see these accusations of the Russians doing such bad stuff or the Chinese doing such bad stuff and interfering on our computer networks and stuff.
00:30:59.000Knowing that going back to Project Argus and beyond, we've actively deployed computational intelligence gathering capabilities in China and throughout the world and use those for data fusion projects relating to infectious disease and So, Bobby, I hope I've given you a flavor.
00:31:21.000You threw me a pretty open-ended question, so I've tried to respond without taking too much time.
00:31:33.000It's funny, as you're talking, I'm thinking, man, I need to sit down and do another interview with you, Dr.
00:31:40.000Malone, on where Jeff pulled his punches.
00:31:43.000And you're right, there's a whole story there.
00:31:46.000I did the documentary of the 9-11 Commission Report, and we sat in a room.
00:31:51.000Most people didn't know how many people jumped to their death from those burning buildings.
00:31:58.000And it was that day, it was literally raining people.
00:32:01.000The first fireman who was killed was killed because someone landed on him.
00:32:07.000And the TV networks, quite responsibly at the time, pulled back from that as it was happening.
00:32:13.000And so we were sitting in the edit room making a decision of how much of this do we show So we convey the truth and the horrificness of what happened and how much of it, you know, when does it become gratuitous and awful and where do we pull back?
00:32:34.000And unfortunately in this film, Bobby had set some really good factual boundaries with the book, so we had a guide.
00:32:44.000But as you're talking, I'm like, wow, there's so much of this.
00:32:48.000And I just want to say, I could probably spend the rest of my life just exposing the work of the people that were in the film today.
00:32:58.000And certainly the people sitting here right now is to be able to take what you know and translate that so more people can be aware of it.
00:33:08.000I'm probably the luckiest guy in the world.
00:33:12.000Well, speaking from that, Jeff, we've got some questions from the audience, and some of these are directed for some of our panelists, but a lot of them are open-ended and really anyone can answer them.
00:33:23.000But I have a feeling that this first question is going to be more geared towards Robert here, Robert Kennedy, sorry.
00:33:32.000It is, do you think anyone will ever get convicted or go to prison over these crimes that you have exposed in the book and Jeff in the documentary?
00:34:01.000And if somebody brought me that case and said, will you prosecute Anthony Fauci for murder on this case, I would take that case.
00:34:14.000Because I think that the crime was so blatant, and what he did was so blatant.
00:34:21.000And then, you know, they took a drug that was so horrendously toxic, a chemotherapy drug that was used in a trial in 2019.
00:34:34.000We're Ebola in Africa, and Tony Fauci had put it in that trial, and the Safety Review Committee ordered the trial to stop because it was killing so many people.
00:34:46.000So Ebola is a disease that kills 50% of the people who get it, and this was too deadly to use against Ebola.
00:34:54.000How in the world, three months later, do you put it in a trial where We're good to go.
00:35:08.000And so he steps in and changes the endpoints of the trial in the middle of the trial, which itself is misconduct.
00:35:16.000And then before the trial is over and before anything is published, and this is at a time when he's telling everybody else, you can't use ivermectin, you can't use hydroxychloroquine because there are no placebo-controlled studies.
00:35:31.000In the middle of the trial, Without a publicity-but-control study, he goes to the White House and he makes this momentous announcement, we have the solution, we have the cure.
00:35:41.000And President Trump jumps on that, and then they take it and they They bribe hospitals to force patients to give them.
00:35:51.000First of all, they tell the hospital they do something that has never been done in medicine in our country or anywhere in the world before, which is you go to your doctor or the hospital with a respiratory infection with full symptoms of COVID. You get a test that says you have COVID and the doctor gives you no treatment and says, go home and wait till your lips are blue and And you can't breathe and then come back to the hospital.
00:36:16.000So there's so many things wrong with that.
00:36:18.000First of all, the doctor is supposed to treat people.
00:36:20.000Even if you treat them, you know, throw mud against the wall, but give them some relief of their symptoms.
00:36:28.000And you send them home, which is a super spreader event.
00:36:32.000They're now going to infect their family.
00:36:33.000And then when they do come back because they can't breathe, The Uber driver, the ambulance driver, the DoorDash drivers, everybody who touches them gets infected.
00:36:44.000And then you bring them back and you give them two options alone, and both will kill them, intubation remdesivir.
00:36:51.000And then to make sure the hospital doesn't screw around, you give the hospital a 20% bonus for giving them the remdesivir.
00:37:00.000And meanwhile, at the same time, You've told the hospital, you've got to get rid of all of your, because you're locked down, you've got to get rid of all your elective surgeries.
00:37:12.000So these hospitals are now going broke, because elective surgeries is where their bread and butter is.
00:37:18.000So they've closed down the elective surgeries, they've strangled the hospital financially, and then they say, they dangle these 20% bonuses in front of them, and say, you know what, we'll pay you back, but you've got to kill your patient.
00:37:34.000And remdesivir, if you look at the descriptions of how people were dying in New York City at the beginning of this, they were dying of kidney failure and they were dying of their lungs filling up, which are the two symptoms of remdesivir that kill you.
00:37:50.000And Remdesivir was killing people in the Ebola studies that only took it for five days.
00:37:55.000They were giving it to people for seven or eight days.
00:38:36.000But particularly with COVID, those that are in the hospital, when they did culture studies trying to find live virus in patients, after about day six or seven, this is the first strain, there was no culturable live virus.
00:38:49.000And people weren't arriving to the hospital until day seven or eight or nine.
00:38:52.000So they're literally giving a toxic antiviral to patients who are not harboring live virus anymore.
00:38:58.000They're just in this hyper inflamed state.
00:39:00.000So not even the studies or the bonuses or all that, it was illogical to begin with.
00:39:06.000And you know what the converse of that is, Bobby?
00:39:08.000So remember, if you've heard me talk, I started out COVID very naive.
00:39:12.000I had no idea how the depth and depravity of the corruption.
00:39:16.000But the first time, the first day that I thought something was really, really wrong in the pandemic was when I read, this is March of 2020, that the FDA was restricting hydroxychloroquine to the hospital.
00:39:30.000And I said to myself, wait a second, if it's going to work as an antiviral, why would we limit it to the hospital phase and not allow it to be used as outpatients?
00:39:39.000And so it's almost like the flip side of the two.
00:39:42.000They wanted to use the drug where it didn't work rather than use it where it worked.
00:40:13.000And, you know, a lot of that's probably from, but just following Fauci's protocols and, you know, which is no early treatment by drugs that we know work and only treatment you get is by stuff that's going to kill you.
00:40:26.000And so I think we could, I could get in front of a jury and And bring on people like Pierre Corey to talk about what he just talked about and a lot of other people and persuade that jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Tony Fauci is guilty of at least manslaughter and massive manslaughter of tens of thousands of people.
00:41:34.000If you got the right president in there who understood the, yes, as Pierce said, the depravity, the venal, craven, mercenary, murderous, homicidal depravity of what they did, I think you could make the case and you could win a jury trial and you could put them in jail.
00:42:59.000During the 20,000 generations that human beings were wandering the African savannah and tiny little groups that were warring with everybody else, and you need to follow a powerful male leader, you needed to have unit cohesion, you needed to be willing to sacrifice yourself in the group to kill people who are outside of the group.
00:43:18.000All of those things conspire, all of those biological hardwiring conspire to create various forms of orthodoxies in the way that we handle fear, that we handle threats in our lives, is to retreat into a group And to close our minds to information that challenges, you know, our loyalty to that group.
00:43:44.000How do you get those orthodoxies to unravel?
00:43:47.000And, you know, I talked to a psychiatrist about it, and this may not be helpful at all, but the psychiatrist said to me, he said, you can never challenge somebody's orthodoxy successfully by giving them information or through a direct attack.
00:44:03.000And he said, the only way you can do it is through questioning.
00:44:06.000And you have to be patient with the person.
00:44:09.000And you have to ask them questions, never tell them facts, but ask them questions.
00:44:14.000And that allows people in a non-threatening environment to start questioning their own belief systems.
00:44:21.000I don't know if that's helpful, but anyway, that's what a really good psychologist is.
00:45:35.000In fact, if anything, they get more resistant.
00:45:37.000And also, the other thing that I find that the barrier is Is when I used to talk to people, let's use the term blue-pilled, they have such an implicit faith and trust in societal institutions.
00:45:50.000And so when I bring forth data, which calls that into question, whether you should have faith in Fauci, the agencies, the government, the media, you A sound like a conspiracy theorist, but you're also threatening their belief system.
00:46:05.000And I don't know how to shake them of that faith.
00:46:07.000I mean, I think there's plenty of data for them to really lose and weaken that faith in those institutions that have lied to them.
00:46:33.000We have P.T. Barnum or Mark Twain, who said that it's much easier to fool a person than it is to persuade them that they've been fooled.
00:46:41.000Once they've swallowed that load, they have a hard time disgorging it.
00:46:46.000And, you know, we also have to consider the fact that we're all, at this point, the targets of a PSYOP. Of organized propaganda that we see every day on TV. This is not paranoid.
00:46:59.000It's something that anybody can see, the constant, you know, panic porn and the fear.
00:47:04.000And then the shaming and the sanctimonious kind of virtue signaling and, you know, all of these things that fortify the orthodoxy.
00:47:13.000And to the extent that that's purposeful, you know, the people who do these things for a living now have these technological innovations, AI innovations that make it formulaic to install and implant orthodoxies in large populations at Medentimate.
00:47:34.000And two of the techniques that the agencies have used for a long time are kind of illustrative of what's happening, whether they're being used or not.
00:47:45.000One is Stockholm Syndrome, where the people who are being locked up I'm grateful to their captors and they start to consider anybody who criticizes or messes around with their captors.
00:47:59.000They're the ones, you know, that compliance is the only road to survival.
00:48:03.000And anybody who tries to interfere with my Compliance is somebody who is now my enemy.
00:48:11.000And then the other one is the Milgram experiment, which I've talked a lot about, which was a CIA, you know, MKUltra experiment where they put people in a room and had to electrocute a guy in the next room who was actually an actor in a confederate.
00:48:28.000But most of the people didn't want to do it, but there was a doctor there with a stethoscope and a white coat saying, turn it up, turn it up, and 67% of the people turned it to 60 to 250 volts, which had said on the dial, potentially fatal.
00:48:45.000Some of them were crying, and they were begging the doctor not to make them do it.
00:48:50.000But when the doctor ordered them to do it, that overwhelmed, overruled, Their values, their, you know, principles, their everything, you know, their humanity.
00:49:03.000And today we're all kind of in this big Milgram experiment where, you know, there's a doctor in a lab coat who's ordering us to do stuff that we know is wrong, to destroy our constitution, to censor speech, to abolish jury trials, to get rid of property rights,
00:49:20.000to get rid of the right, you know, to assemble the And is, you know, telling us to do these things and then to be bigoted and cruel to people who don't comply, to exclude them, to deny a baby who's unvaccinated the kidney that that baby needs to survive, which is actually a true story, you know, where a hospital system says, no, we're not going to give it to your baby because he's unvaccinated.
00:49:43.000You know, those things are things we know better than, but if a doctor orders us to do it, and if there's enough fear in the atmosphere, you know, people will do it as they're told.
00:49:56.000So it makes it harder to unravel the orthodoxy, since it's constantly being reinforced, and it appears to be, please, Robert, save me from this.
00:50:07.000So one studies events around World War II, Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, etc.
00:50:17.000We could talk about people who were hypnotized in the narrative.
00:50:21.000But what the history has demonstrated...
00:50:28.000up in these, it's almost a cult, to call it an orthodoxy is generous, I think.
00:50:34.000They will do almost anything to demonstrate their commitment to the cult, to the organization, to the belief system.
00:50:42.000And as they go into it, there's multiple examples of people turning in their children, people turning in their neighbors.
00:50:51.000And a case could be made that the acceptance of the multiple inoculations in the face of the data showing the risk is a way to demonstrate one's commitment to the tribe.
00:51:05.000So there's tons of literature on this.
00:51:09.000And, you know, mothers sending their sons to the gallows for heterodoxy.
00:51:15.000When people go crazy like this, they will do almost anything to demonstrate tribal commitment.
00:51:23.000And it's almost as if the more extreme, the more they find value in demonstrating their commitment.
00:51:31.000And this gets, you know, then we go all the way up into the teaching and totalitarianism, the lessons learned from Hannah Arendt and so many others.
00:51:42.000That history teaches that if you want to rule in a totalitarian society, the harsher the better.
00:51:51.000There's actually kind of a positive feedback loop that a large fraction of the population, as we've discussed, really wants to be told what to do.
00:51:59.000It's only a small fraction, maybe 10%.
00:52:30.000Do you think there is something about the medical profession that makes...
00:52:35.000It more amenable to kind of an authoritarian, you know, top-down.
00:52:41.000Because you see so many doctors who are trained to treat people, who have devoted their lives to healing people, and we're watching them do exactly the opposite.
00:53:29.000You would think a physician, right, who's part scientist, part clinician, part healer, well-intentioned, you would think that we would have, we would be chosen for our critical thinking skills, our open-mindedness, our willingness to test hypotheses and ideas.
00:53:51.000I was going to say something before you said something, is when Robert said 10%, the reason why I kind of like got triggered at the 10% is The first time I met Chris Martinson, who's a colleague of ours who's been really outspoken in this movement, I met him and we were having a discussion about this.
00:54:08.000And he said, you know, he said, what percentage of the doctors do you think are truly open-minded, critically thinking and able to, like, sort of navigate this?
00:54:18.000And I said, Chris, I'm going to answer that, but we're going to answer at the same time.
00:54:39.000But I think there's also stuff that happens in medicine that makes them particularly conformist and rule followers.
00:54:46.000And that's actually what I struggled with my whole career because it's maybe my personality, my intellectual character, but I've always pushed back against the status quo.
00:54:55.000I was always saying, why are we doing it this way?
00:54:58.000And I've gotten into famous arguments and challenges throughout my career.
00:55:02.000So that was just like my natural kind of stance.
00:55:05.000And I just thought with COVID, for some reason in the beginning, before I really knew how effective propaganda was, I thought doctors would be particularly immune to all the propagation.
00:55:20.000We look objectively and I found, Bobby, is that I was really shocked by this.
00:55:30.000Doctors, medicine from the media, as much or maybe more than the journals.
00:55:35.000Like, literally, I was hearing, when I was having discussions with doctors, I was hearing them parrot stuff that they were getting from the media, not from journals, not from critically thinking.
00:55:44.000And so that's one point I would make, is that I don't think we're different than others, although you'd think we might be.
00:55:50.000The other thing, there are forces, like in medicine, it's a highly regulated industry.
00:55:55.000There's lots of rules and policies and practices.
00:56:00.000And when you try to stray outside of those, there's a lot of forces moving back at you.
00:56:04.000And then if you look at malpractice, right?
00:56:06.000Malpractice is someone who's not meeting the standard of care, right?
00:56:11.000So there are these guardrails in medicine that if you want an easy go of it, you're going to follow rules, you're going to do what you're told, and you're going to follow the masses.
00:56:21.000And those that try to come out of that, there's this great book written actually by a friend of mine who's a transplant surgeon.
00:56:28.000He wrote a book about the history of transplant surgery.
00:56:31.000And when you think about the giants who invented transplant medicine, each and every one of them was literally almost criminally accused for everything they were doing.
00:56:40.000Because what they were doing was so outside the norm and so groundbreaking and innovative, they had a lot of their colleagues that would attack them and scream at them for being murderers and unethical and all these things.
00:56:52.000Like to innovate in medicine or to depart from the crowd, there's a lot of headwinds.
00:56:58.000And so when those of us who saw what happened, we know the truth about the medicine COVID, and we see the entire system, all the doctors in lockstep following these things, to me, it's somewhat not a surprise.
00:57:11.000And in the best example, you brought up remdesivir.
00:57:13.000So when remdesivir came out, and the point that I made to you about like, why are we using an antiviral 10 days into the illness?
00:57:19.000You know, I would say this to my infectious disease colleagues, right?
00:57:33.000If they came into my ICU on remdesivir, I would stop it right away, and then I got into arguments there.
00:57:38.000But you're literally dealing with supposed experts in infectious disease who are doing something nonsensical.
00:57:44.000And then add to that the fact that the entire health system, overnight, because of something that came out of Fauci's mouth, they immediately ignore natural immunity, something that we've known for decades.
00:57:54.000It's like an implicit foundation of medicine.
00:57:57.000And that was the most terrifying, is that suddenly, based on almost no data, they're saying, vaccinate those that just recovered from COVID. And all of the doctors went along.
00:58:08.000I don't know if I'm adding any new information that the people who are listening or you guys know, but the conformity and the lack of resistance or critical thinking is somewhat not a surprise, but it's shocking.
00:58:23.000So I was hoping that Pierre was going to say this one comment that I've heard him say a couple of times that I thought was profound.
00:58:31.000The medical care providers were in the first wave of the vaccinated.
00:58:35.000And so they basically all bought the narrative, assimilated it and subjected it to themselves.
00:58:43.000And so to buck that narrative means that they would have to own their own mistake, which I've had to do because the likes of Stu Peters has forced me to, in that I took both jabs, as the documentary indicated.
00:58:59.000The other thing, in traveling about, particularly in New York, there's a large, and in Boston, in the hospitalists, That were active during the first wave, there is a lot of PTSD. Those folks that were at the front lines, as Pierre was, you know, manning those ICUs, have seen things that they never expected to see in their lives.
00:59:24.000Those that were in that front wave, and in Italy too, where they were overdosing and overventilating, And just losing patient after patient after patient, many of those people are deeply traumatized.
00:59:40.000And to acknowledge that what they did had a role in causing unnecessary death, I think generates too much cognitive dissonance.
00:59:51.000I just don't think they can tolerate it.
01:00:03.000So this question is for Jeff Hayes and RFK. First, Jeff, I will assume you've read the book more than once, LOL. While filming and putting everything together, is there anything that you learned outside of what is in the book?
01:00:18.000So I really don't even want to waste a minute.
01:00:21.000I'm happy to answer questions by email.
01:00:24.000I'm sitting here listening to these three men talk, and I feel like a guy who in a hotel stumbles into the wrong room and suddenly is in a room full of brilliant people that are so far beyond.
01:00:40.000And I want to sit back and not get kicked out of the room and listen to what these guys have said.
01:00:48.000I have a radio interview in the morning at 5 o'clock, and I've made notes.
01:00:53.000I'm going to be so much better on the radio interview.
01:00:56.000So yeah, I'm looking at stuff from outside the book on every time I get to visit with any of these men.
01:01:03.000And I'm just so committed to my career that I get to help people be exposed to your thinking.
01:01:12.000And beyond that, I don't want to take one second of time away from this.
01:01:27.000So second part of that question is for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
01:01:30.000Do you have any plans of putting a follow-up to the book or are we living that follow-up right now?
01:01:37.000I'm about to put out the follow-up book, the sequence, which is called the Wuhan cover-up.
01:01:44.000And a lot of the things that Robert Malone was talking about, you know, which he always knows things before anybody else does.
01:01:52.000But I go into the entire history of bioweapons and what happened after World War...
01:02:00.000Well, during World War II, during the Japanese...
01:02:02.000You know, the Japanese were the first ones...
01:02:04.000After bioweapons been used throughout history, but the Japanese used them intensively and did it in an industrial way where they built, you know, factories in Manchuria.
01:02:16.000They experimented on probably 10,000 materials.
01:02:22.000They built entire complexes where they could house thousands of people with cells where you would stick the prisoners in the cells who were all super healthy because they were doing scientific experiments and they wanted to see how these viruses and these pathogens would work on healthy people.
01:02:41.000And the people would put their, and the prisoners would put their arms out into a hallway through a special hole in the cell, and they'd receive an injection, and then they would be observed, and it would be plague, or it would be hemorrhagic fever,
01:02:59.000or any of these, of dozens and dozens of these terrible diseases, and then Every single one of them was autopsied while they were still alive, usually without anesthetic.
01:03:14.000Because the Japanese scientist, whose name was Shishi Hiro, who was running the whole thing, wanted to make sure that they could see the activity of the pathogen on a healthy human.
01:03:32.000They did things that were extraordinary, but after the war, those scientists who all would have been paying for war crimes were brought to the United States and brought some of them to Fort Detrick and to laboratories.
01:03:45.000And then the Nazi scientists who were doing bioweapons were brought over on Operation Paperclip.
01:03:51.000Those scientists like Werner Erhard, who had this profound impact not only on the development of our nuclear weapons and our missile system, but also on the kind of ethics in that these scientists dictated a kind of ethical culture in the bioweapons field that has never gone away.
01:04:12.000And it's kind of this moral myopia that allows them to, bioweapon scientists, to justify experiments on human beings for the greater good.
01:04:24.000It allows them to do things that, you know, most doctors, physicians, and scientists would consider abhorrent.
01:04:32.000And yet those cultural tags, those, you know, moral myopia, also in some ways a contempt for science, has really been infiltrated, the culture of bioweapons development ever since.
01:04:47.000Now, those people were smuggled in by the defense intelligence agencies and ultimately by the CIA, which was running for Dietrich.
01:04:55.000And as Robert Malone showed, when Nixon did something extraordinary in 1969, he banned all bioweapons.
01:05:03.000He unilaterally terminated the American Bioweapons Program.
01:05:07.000And the reason he did it was because, one, he thought it was morally wrong, but also, bioweapons are a poor man's nuclear bomb.
01:05:19.000And we had already signed an agreement that gave us essentially seven nations of nuclear monopoly around the world, and we had the best one.
01:05:27.000And yet we were developing technology that could easily be stolen or misplaced or given away to rogue nations or individual malefactors in a garage.
01:05:38.000And they could create weapons that would kill the same amount of people, had what they called nuclear equivalency.
01:05:45.000They could have killed the same amount of people as died in Hiroshima.
01:05:49.000And so Nixon said, this is not a good strategy.
01:05:53.000Plus, unlike chemical weapons, bioweapons always have blowback.
01:05:58.000And we used bioweapons during the Korean War that we got from these Japanese scientists, and we dropped them in Korea, we dropped bug bombs in Korea, we dropped them in China, and guess what?
01:06:10.000There was blowback on U.S. forces and 2,800 U.S. troops got hemorrhagic, you know, Nile hemorrhagic fever, which didn't exist in Korea, but we were putting it there.
01:06:22.000Chemical weapons, you don't necessarily get blowback, but with biological, there's always blowback.
01:06:27.000And that's why you need a vaccine, because you need to, a vaccine is part of the offensive weapons package.
01:06:35.000You need to be able to inoculate your own troops and your own citizens against blowback.
01:06:40.000And that's why vaccine development is always the same steps, and it's the outcome.
01:06:46.000You need a vaccine before you can deploy biological weapons.
01:06:50.000So the people who are developing biological weapons, as Robert Malone pointed out, were also the people who were making vaccines.
01:06:56.000Nixon banned it all, and then we all signed the Biological Weapons Treaty.
01:07:01.000Charter in 75, the CIA went to Fort Detrick, and they emptied out the refrigerators, and they took with them samples of all of the worst cultures, and nobody knows what they did with them.
01:07:15.000But then they hired Battelle, which Robert, you know, this intelligence and military consulting firm that Robert Malone mentioned at the They developed illegally and secretly an anthrax bug bomb in the 80s and 90s that was totally illegal.
01:07:35.000It was criminal with a death sentence if you got caught.
01:07:46.000We passed, a week after the anthrax attacks, we passed the Patriot Act, and the Patriot Act, nobody had read it, 300 pages, not a single member of Congress had read it.
01:08:00.000Somebody had it waiting, and they rolled it out, and guess what?
01:08:04.000It has provisions in it that said it doesn't specifically revoke the Geneva Convention, which bans bioweapons development, and it doesn't revoke the 1975 Bioweapons Charter, which Nixon created and everybody signed.
01:08:20.000But what it says is, if you are a federal government employee, you cannot be prosecuted for violating those laws.
01:08:28.000So it gave full immunity to anybody who's a federal employee To do bioweapons development.
01:08:35.000And that launched this new bioweapons arms race.
01:08:51.000And in the law, it says NIAID is going to be the center for bioweapons development for the United States military.
01:08:59.000What happened is all of that money goes in.
01:09:03.000It does a lot of things to medicine in our country.
01:09:05.000It contaminates all of medicine with military ethics.
01:09:10.000The ethics of these original Japanese bioweapons developers and the German bioweapons developers will write through Tony Fauci to the entire virology community, and they adopt all of these, the same moral elasticity, I would call it.
01:09:30.000They also sucked away a lot of the brains and resources for medicine to do the inverse of medicine, because what are these guys developing?
01:09:39.000They're developing, they're using all of these new kinds of science to develop bioweapons, synthetic biology, to develop bioweapons that are so horrendous.
01:09:55.000For example, we put huge amounts of money Into ethnic bioweapons.
01:10:01.000Bioweapons that will kill certain races.
01:10:04.000And we've been collecting, you know, the Russians have accused us repeatedly, and Hillary Clinton has admitted that we've been collecting Russian DNA for years.
01:10:13.000And we've been collecting Chinese DNA. And the South African government was developing ethnic bio-weapons that only killed Blacks.
01:10:24.000The Israeli government was developing bio-weapons that only killed Jews.
01:10:28.000And one of the interesting things, there's a paper that came out this year that shows that an ethnic differential in COVID-19.
01:10:37.000Oh, there's a few races that COVID-19 It has a disproportionate impact on those are Caucasians and Blacks, and the people who are least likely to be affected because their H2 receptors have a structure that does not fit well with the fur and cleave in the COVID-19 virus.
01:11:06.000People from Finland and Ashkenazi Jews.
01:11:09.000And so, you know, we don't know whether anybody deliberately was looking at these things, but there's really horrendous things going on, and there's stuff that they wouldn't even do in the Wuhan lab.
01:11:24.000There's 40 labs there in Georgia, the former Soviet state.
01:11:29.000And that's where the really ugly stuff is happening today in bio-weapons.
01:11:34.000And those nations have all signed contracts with the U.S. military.
01:11:39.000It gives diplomatic immunity to Battelle and all the military contractors over there so they can murder people and they cannot be prosecuted by the host nation.
01:11:49.000It makes it illegal for anybody from the host nation to enter the facility.
01:11:55.000Retention to all the pathogens that are developed in those facilities in the United States government, and it makes it illegal if a pathogen escapes and contaminates the local population.
01:12:08.000It makes it illegal for the government to report that publicly or to prosecute or to investigate it.
01:12:16.000And there have been so many leaks over there.
01:12:30.000The medical establishment is now part of this deal flow and this connection to the military where they're doing the opposite of what medicine.
01:12:41.000Malaria mosquitoes that can operate in cold climates.
01:12:46.000They're developing microbes that are antibody-resistant, that are antiviral-resistant, that are vaccine-resistant.
01:12:55.000So they're trying to develop bugs that will kill you more efficiently, that will spread more quickly, and that will resist any human intervention.
01:13:04.000That is exactly the opposite of what a doctor is supposed to do.
01:13:45.000Well, guys, we've come up on the hour.
01:13:48.000I texted Jeff, you know, about 35-40 minutes ago and I just said I could not believe that I get to be a fly on the wall here and listen to these amazing guys.
01:13:59.000Talk about the work that they do every day.
01:14:01.000I can sentiment that from the audience.
01:14:03.000The audience has been nothing but grateful for your time, for your efforts, and your energy put into this.
01:14:09.000And with that, Jeff, any closing remarks that you'd like to close this out with?
01:14:14.000First off, I want to thank these three men, and I don't want to leave you out, Sean.
01:14:20.000Thank you as well, but specifically these three men for what you do, for allowing us to be a part of it.
01:14:26.000I'm going to ask the audience, The people watching this, the way this film gets out is by us spreading it.
01:14:34.000You'll notice if you put it on Facebook, you'll get like two likes instead of your normal hundred.
01:15:00.000A lot of people will reject it, but there's a lot of people that are waking up and just need some direction, and this is our best effort to get it out there.