RFK Jr. The Defender - January 17, 2023


Doctors Discuss the Fauci Film

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conformity and critical thinking in medicine bioweapons development & ethics
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Robert F. Kennedy
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Jeff Hayes Films Bobby Kennedy Jr. Robert Malone Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Anthony Fauci Pierre Corey Paxilvid Molnupiravir Nixon Patrick Gentempo Pfizer Chris Martinson Ivermectin Tricia Trump Peter McCullough Hillary Clinton COVID Revealed Saddam Hussein Hannah Arendt and 24 more
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Dr. Robert Malone joins Jeff Hayes of Jeff Hayes Films to discuss his new film, The Real Anthony Fauci . Dr. Malone has a long history of working with Dr. Anthony Fauxci, and has been one of the most influential people in the HIV field for decades. In this episode of the podcast Jeff and Robert talk about his work on the new film and his relationship with the late, great scientist. They also discuss the film and the impact it has had on the scientific community, and discuss how Dr. Malcolm became the face and voice of HIV research in the late 1980s and early 90s, and how he became a villain in the eyes of the scientific establishment. And, of course, there's a lot more! Jeff Hayes is a writer, director, producer, and producer based in Seattle, WA. He's also a regular contributor to the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times, and is a frequent contributor to The New York Magazine. He's been featured in the Hollywood Reporter, The New Yorker, and The Hollywood Reporter. This episode was produced by Jeff Hayes and is available on Amazon Prime and Vimeo. Thank you for listening and supporting this podcast. Please remember to rate, review and subscribe to our podcast on Apple Podcasts and subscribe on your favorite streaming platform so you can stay up to date with the latest episodes of the show. and stay informed about what's going on in the world of HIV and AIDS. . and other related to the HIV/AIDS field. Thanks for listening to this podcast and our other greats! Your continued support is greatly appreciated! Cheers, Dr. Jeff Hayes - Elyssa and Dr. Robert M. Malone and his films are much appreciated by Dr. Bob Gallo and his work is much appreciated. - Thank you so much for being a friend of the HIV & AIDS Research and the AIDS Project, and for all the work he does in this podcast, and so much so much more. -- Thank you Dr. Jay and his support is so much appreciated -- this podcast is a must-listen to the AIDS Research Institute. of the AIDS Resistance Project. , and we hope you enjoy this podcast! -- and we really appreciate your support is much more than just a little bit more than that's possible -- I hope you can see it! and we appreciate you, too, thank you.

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00:00:00.000 I've got Jeff Hayes of Jeff Hayes Films with us.
00:00:03.000 Jeff, take it away.
00:00:05.000 There's plenty of stuff to talk about, but when I've got Dr.
00:00:08.000 Robert Malone sitting in front of me, it almost feels stupid for me to talk very much.
00:00:14.000 Dr.
00:00:14.000 Malone, thank you so much for being here.
00:00:17.000 My pleasure.
00:00:18.000 You called and I answered.
00:00:21.000 Well, that's happened several times, so thank you for answering when we call.
00:00:27.000 I really loved your appearances in the film.
00:00:31.000 The thing that only I know is, you know, it's also heartbreaking in that, you know, we did several hours of interviews with you for the film and used probably a total of, you know, Eight to ten minutes.
00:00:48.000 And so there's so much great material that I know we have one thing that people can buy where they get all this extra footage.
00:00:57.000 I'm really excited for those people to see that just because the information that you provide is always fascinating and interesting and compelling.
00:01:11.000 But mostly I want to thank you for doing what you do.
00:01:15.000 Well, thanks.
00:01:16.000 Now, you guys are the ones, pretty sure, I did an extended interview last fall with.
00:01:23.000 Yes, with Patrick Gentempo interviewing you, and then we did the interview where we sent someone, maybe it was in New York, where it was, you know, not an interviewer with you.
00:01:35.000 Yeah, so are you going to include that fall hit in this package?
00:01:43.000 Not the one with Patrick Gentempo, the one that we filmed you where we only filmed one side.
00:01:50.000 Okay, so the one with Patrick, I would love, there are two interviews that I've done over the whole course of all this crazy interview.
00:01:59.000 That are fairly comprehensive summaries of the history, the early history.
00:02:06.000 And yours is one of those two.
00:02:08.000 If you're not going to use it, I would love to be able to put it out and make a transcript of it.
00:02:13.000 So that's, I just wanted to mention that.
00:02:16.000 And I do have a transcript of that.
00:02:18.000 People can buy it.
00:02:19.000 That was a part of a series called COVID Revealed.
00:02:22.000 And I know that's being offered to the people that bought the real Anthony Fauci.
00:02:30.000 So I'll get into just a little bit of the history of how this film came to be.
00:02:36.000 I was one of the people that was really unaware of Fauci's history.
00:02:43.000 To me, he was a guy who showed up at Trump's side, who was this avuncular, grandfatherly.
00:02:50.000 And when he talked, I liked him.
00:02:52.000 And very early on, he said, masks don't work for this, and it's not worth it, and you can actually cause more trouble by wearing a mask because people touch their face.
00:03:05.000 And I agreed with what he said.
00:03:06.000 Then he reversed himself on that.
00:03:08.000 But then when I read...
00:03:10.000 Bobby's book and his history with the HIV-AIDS controversy and that epidemic and the power base that he built, I was stunned.
00:03:24.000 And it's interesting that Dr.
00:03:26.000 Malone had already had a rich history with Dr.
00:03:31.000 Fauci and seeing the damage that he had.
00:03:36.000 Can you comment a little bit about that, just about your personal interactions with him over the years?
00:03:43.000 So I've only met him in person, up close and personal, in his office once, and that was probably about 2000.
00:03:53.000 It was brought in by a colleague of mine, Dr.
00:03:57.000 Cecil Fox, that ran a company called Molecular Histology that had done a lot of Tony's very technical work.
00:04:05.000 I don't want to go into the words having to do with localizing the AIDS virus in various tissues.
00:04:12.000 But other than that, I've met him repeatedly in the context of Just so many presentations, announcements, public interactions, particularly scientific ones.
00:04:25.000 And all the way through, he's always been somebody for whom the rules did not apply.
00:04:32.000 Things that myself and my colleagues were bound to rigorously or we would be at risk for losing our ability to do clinical research None of those rules ever applied to Tony Fauci.
00:04:46.000 He is amazingly arrogant and dismissive and has all of those various characteristics, has a sense of just deep entitlement.
00:04:57.000 You know, whatever he says goes.
00:05:00.000 And it was really captured, I think, over the last three years, we've seen him at a level of kind of reveal and intimacy that I've never seen before.
00:05:12.000 Quite so overtly.
00:05:14.000 I've seen him do these various activities and because of my various quirks and my background, I knew quite a bit of him and Bob Gallo and those interactions.
00:05:26.000 But the things like the interviews in which he asserts that he is science and just so many others, That demonstrate his, you know, narcissism, I think, is the most benign term for what we've seen,
00:05:42.000 you know, up until this recent recording where he was receiving an award from one of the academic groups that he gives funding to in Seattle, Washington, Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, where he said he spoke about the Fauci effect.
00:06:01.000 I mean, this is just a man who is so surrounded by sycophants and has been for so long.
00:06:06.000 He has developed an amazing sense of entitlement and self-centeredness.
00:06:15.000 He has portraits of himself on his walls.
00:06:18.000 We've seen that repeatedly.
00:06:19.000 All kinds of artifacts.
00:06:22.000 That are self-affirming, and he seems to want to surround himself with that.
00:06:26.000 So I'll just leave it at that.
00:06:27.000 I'm not a psychiatrist or psychoanalyst, but I do believe strongly that his activities throughout his career have profoundly compromised the scientific enterprise in both biodefense and infectious disease and allergy research.
00:06:47.000 It's amazing to me, as I got to know you and as I got to know Peter McCullough, we take a couple of men who are really at the top of their profession, well-respected, and if you step outside of the narrative, the machine quickly grinds you up.
00:07:06.000 And if you look into who's driving the machine over and over, it's Anthony Fauci.
00:07:13.000 So to that end, as you probably know, we do a substack and we treat it like a business, just like you treat your film studio as a business.
00:07:22.000 And one of the substacks we put out, we did a deep dive into Tony Fauci, his actual employment status, rank, compensation, and some various aspects of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, and some various aspects of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease,
00:07:42.000 And one of those included using publicly available databases to search out information about the staffing that he has available to support him in a PR sense for managing press and for managing Congress.
00:08:00.000 He has over 60 FTE, full-time employees, serving him in managing his social media and press interactions.
00:08:12.000 And then I think there's eight in the office that manage the interactions with Congress.
00:08:17.000 And that's just for NIA. That isn't for the total NIH. I think most press organizations would consider that to be a pretty robust newsroom.
00:08:28.000 Yeah, I had no idea.
00:08:32.000 So we're going to get to the screening here in just a minute.
00:08:36.000 We're going to be showing part two, which you make a number of appearances in.
00:08:41.000 I've watched it night before last.
00:08:43.000 If you can imagine, I've sat in the edit bay with this film for a long, many times.
00:08:49.000 And I just thought, well, I want to make sure I'm still clear on part two.
00:08:54.000 So I watched part two again.
00:08:56.000 And man, it...
00:08:59.000 This story, the source material that we drew from Bobby's book was just astounding.
00:09:07.000 And once again, I can't thank you enough for the role that you played.
00:09:13.000 How can people support you that want to support your work, support your efforts to get the truth out?
00:09:21.000 Well, that's very kind for allowing me to do a punch.
00:09:24.000 I'm not doing this to make money, but I do have to live and feed the horses.
00:09:30.000 And it's looking like hay is going to be expensive this winter.
00:09:33.000 So our main income stream comes from Substack these days.
00:09:38.000 We've become journalists, opinionators, authors, and that's rwmalonemd.substack.com.
00:09:47.000 And we have received some generous donations through our nonprofit, which is the Malone.
00:09:54.000 It's called maloneinstitute.org.
00:09:57.000 And there's three members on our board.
00:10:00.000 The third one is Ed Dowd, myself and my wife being the other two.
00:10:05.000 And that is where we've been doing more of the work relating to the World Economic Forum and other deeper investigations.
00:10:14.000 So those are the two primary ones is maloneinstitute.org and our substack.
00:10:20.000 And Tricia has just posted the link.
00:10:23.000 Thank you, Tricia.
00:10:24.000 I was just getting ready to ask you to repeat that so we could post it from here.
00:10:28.000 So that is, and if people want to turn on their chat, they can see that that's there.
00:10:33.000 And again, to the people that are watching, this was a subset of people who supported the film early and allowed us to...
00:10:44.000 To raise some extra money for the marketing on this film.
00:10:47.000 So this is a thank you for them.
00:10:49.000 We'll come back after the part two plays and Bobby Kennedy Jr.
00:10:58.000 will be joining us and several other people and again this is a A celebration of the effort that went into this.
00:11:06.000 It's been very difficult to keep this site up.
00:11:10.000 They took us down on Sunday in a very clever attack after numerous attacks for the week.
00:11:16.000 And I always think, you know, they took us down.
00:11:20.000 Who is they?
00:11:21.000 Someday it'll be really fun to find an answer to that question.
00:11:25.000 But Dr.
00:11:26.000 Malone, again, I thank you for everything you do.
00:11:29.000 I thank you for your willingness Over the last year and a half to visit with us and film with us and you make the world a better place and you certainly improve my world so thank you.
00:11:44.000 Well, that's very kind.
00:11:45.000 I've been taking a lot of hits from both flanks, but the warm embrace of new friends all over the world is what keeps Jill and I going.
00:11:57.000 So it's quite sincerely appreciated.
00:12:00.000 Yeah, my last comment is that when we're interviewing people, as we interviewed Dr.
00:12:06.000 Malone, and we would ask him, why do you think Fauci did this?
00:12:11.000 Why do you think this person did this?
00:12:13.000 And I literally changed the tenor of the film because Bobby's exactly the same way.
00:12:20.000 When you ask Dr.
00:12:21.000 Malone, why did Fauci do this?
00:12:23.000 He will not answer that question.
00:12:25.000 Say, I don't do mind reading.
00:12:27.000 I'll stick to the facts.
00:12:28.000 I'll tell you what happened.
00:12:29.000 But I'm not going to try to tell you what was in somebody's head.
00:12:34.000 And now that I'm doing all these radio interviews, that's my answer.
00:12:38.000 I got it from Dr.
00:12:39.000 Malone and I'm fine.
00:12:41.000 You inadvertently gave me that training because I would have ventured off the reservation.
00:12:47.000 Yeah, I had that drilled into my head from some very good attorneys.
00:12:51.000 They're called KETAM whistleblower attorneys.
00:12:56.000 And I got rigorously trained as a expert witness.
00:13:02.000 And that was the thing they hammered into my head is you can't know it's in somebody else's.
00:13:06.000 So don't speculate.
00:13:08.000 Well, thank you.
00:13:10.000 I know you didn't intend to train me to extend that training, but you did, and it served me well.
00:13:16.000 Thank you.
00:13:18.000 No worries.
00:13:19.000 Justin, are you ready to get started?
00:13:21.000 Yep, let's go ahead and start part two, everyone.
00:13:24.000 Remember to stick around.
00:13:26.000 We're going to have a Q&A following.
00:13:28.000 Wow, that was amazing.
00:13:30.000 Jeff, that's the first time I've watched part two completely to the end.
00:13:36.000 Can't thank you and the production team enough for putting that together.
00:13:40.000 Yeah, like I said, I watched it night before last, and after seeing it so many times and so many different iterations and versions of it, I'm like, wow, this is really good.
00:13:50.000 Sometimes I just get to be a viewer.
00:13:53.000 I'm really proud of this whole project.
00:13:57.000 Well, we've had some guests join us while we were watching that.
00:14:01.000 I'd like to introduce Dr.
00:14:03.000 Pierre Corey and then obviously Robert Malone.
00:14:05.000 You stayed on and watched the entirety of part two.
00:14:09.000 What'd you think?
00:14:10.000 Really good.
00:14:11.000 I just saw part one just a couple days ago.
00:14:14.000 It'd be nice to watch them consecutively.
00:14:17.000 And I guess that'll be possible soon.
00:14:20.000 Great job, guys.
00:14:21.000 I know I've learned...
00:14:23.000 One of the journeys I've had to make over the last three years is to learn more about media and film production.
00:14:28.000 And this has led me to have a deep appreciation of good editors.
00:14:33.000 So, well done.
00:14:35.000 Thank you very much.
00:14:36.000 Got one of those good editors sitting right now.
00:14:41.000 This is Sean Coyne, who was...
00:14:46.000 This, like all projects, has many parents.
00:14:51.000 And so we had a husband and wife team who were primary editors on...
00:14:57.000 I don't know, half or so of the film, and Sean was primary editor on the other half, but also had to assemble everything and also did all of the graphics and artwork in it.
00:15:08.000 So one of the most talented people I know.
00:15:12.000 Too kind, thank you.
00:15:15.000 Well, into that, Dr.
00:15:16.000 Corey, I know you joined us towards the end there, and you might have caught glimpses of yourself.
00:15:21.000 What did you think?
00:15:23.000 Yeah, no.
00:15:24.000 Well, I did my homework.
00:15:25.000 I watched it last night.
00:15:26.000 I sat back and, you know, I watched both parts.
00:15:30.000 And, you know, for me, the second part in ways was more powerful to me because I had already deeply studied and read Bobby's book.
00:15:40.000 And I thought the first part really covered that in a really powerful way.
00:15:45.000 But I don't know that the second part brought things home in these...
00:15:50.000 I mean, there were things that came in the second part that I was not aware of.
00:15:54.000 And they really, you know, Robert just said the same, you know, he said to be a student of media and film over the last, we've been a student of a lot of things.
00:16:02.000 But for me, the regulatory capture, you know, the corporations literally running our government, you can talk about multiple industries, but the things that came out in the second part, The most egregious and brazen examples of the fact that pharmaceutical companies control those agencies and have for a long time.
00:16:23.000 And there was just innumerable and quite scary examples of that.
00:16:29.000 For instance, the 75-year request.
00:16:32.000 I mean, the way Bobby puts it in part two, it literally, you have the FDA running cover for Pfizer.
00:16:39.000 You know, Pfizer says, go to the judge and keep this stuff under wraps for 75 years.
00:16:44.000 And the FDA, like a water boy, you know, an errand boy goes and does it.
00:16:47.000 And it's absurd on its face.
00:16:49.000 Like, I was just thinking just in a practical level, if I wanted to hide something, I would ask for two years, five years.
00:16:55.000 I mean, the 75 years is just absolutely shocking that they actually did that, and they're doing that for a pharmaceutical company.
00:17:04.000 And then the other part, and I could go over the things that stayed with me, but the part about the redactions on the FOIA requests for the payments, $350 million over a decade, and they will not tell you the dollar amount for the scientists, and they will not tell you who gave that money.
00:17:21.000 And so you're seeing an agency awash in industry money, and they are hiding it from us.
00:17:27.000 I don't know.
00:17:28.000 Maybe I'm going in too deep too fast, but it's very hard to watch that because that's literally the basis of our lives and society right now.
00:17:36.000 I mean, we got overrun with COVID and it's these agencies driving it for industry.
00:17:41.000 And I don't know.
00:17:42.000 It's hard to really contemplate more.
00:17:45.000 I don't know what to do with this information.
00:17:48.000 Yeah, that's for sure.
00:17:49.000 Jeff, would you like to take the time to introduce our special guest that just joined us?
00:17:54.000 Yeah, so Bobby Kennedy is here, obviously.
00:17:57.000 I gotta tell you, I'm so inspired by the ending of this film when Bobby tells the crowd, our job now is to go out and the people that are still hypnotized, we will fight for you until you wake up.
00:18:14.000 And this rallying call, you know, it is not a fight that we're against these people that disagree with us.
00:18:23.000 We're in this fight for them, and that's easy to put your heart behind.
00:18:27.000 Bobby, thank you so much for taking the time to be here.
00:18:30.000 Thanks to everybody for showing up.
00:18:33.000 And Robert Malone, Pierre Corey, thank you so much for joining us on this.
00:18:38.000 And thanks for coming to the conference this week.
00:18:40.000 It was really fun to see you guys there.
00:18:42.000 Great.
00:18:43.000 It's great.
00:18:44.000 Loved every minute.
00:18:45.000 The one thing that stuck with me from that conference more than anything was the chart that you showed, Pierre, of the...
00:18:55.000 Of all the drugs, I think there are like 50 drugs on that list that treat COVID at different levels of efficacy.
00:19:02.000 And I think they were arranged in order of the most effective drugs, you know, with the highest impact studies with the most effective drugs.
00:19:14.000 And it said, it claims, I think Paxovid was 85% effective, which I don't know if that's true or not.
00:19:22.000 It's not true.
00:19:25.000 I'm sure they can get a study that shows that it is, and then it gives it to you a week later, and they don't count that.
00:19:31.000 But then I think ivermectin was next, and hydroxychloroquine, but then there were probably 30 or 40, maybe 50 of them on that list.
00:19:40.000 And then you had the price of each of those drugs.
00:19:44.000 The cost per treatment unit, per dose.
00:19:48.000 And there was about probably six drugs on that.
00:19:52.000 Most of them were expired patents.
00:19:54.000 They're generic drugs that cost a couple of pennies per dose.
00:19:59.000 And none of those were approved.
00:20:01.000 I think the six of them approved.
00:20:03.000 And they were all ones that cost like $1,000 a dose.
00:20:07.000 And it was just such a clear...
00:20:10.000 You know, illustration of what we're in now that this is not nothing to do with public health.
00:20:16.000 You know, Bobby, it's almost like I was just talking about, you know, in the second part of the documentary, you know, the images of the redacted payments, you know, and they just, they take, they hide the payments and who it's from, but it's just a visual, like you see this and it just says so much, but you're right, that chart, it's about three dozen different compounds have been tested.
00:20:37.000 To get on that chart, you needed at least two trials.
00:20:41.000 Ivermectin was the number one which had more than four trials.
00:20:46.000 And Ivermectin has 92 trials.
00:20:47.000 But the point is what you just said is that of all of the dozens of effective compounds, antiviral, anti-inflammatory that have shown efficacy, The only things approved in this country are obscenely profitable patented drugs.
00:21:03.000 Nothing off patent, not even vitamin D, nothing is approved.
00:21:07.000 They recommend nothing.
00:21:08.000 And so, yeah, it says the same point.
00:21:11.000 I mean, this is not public health.
00:21:13.000 This is, you know, the pharmaceutical industry dictating what we're treated with and what's being offered to us and recommended to us.
00:21:20.000 Yeah.
00:21:21.000 And I think, you know, I guess Pax of it, is it Pax of it or the other one that's the Merck one that is, is Merck Pax of it?
00:21:31.000 No, Merck is Molnupiravir, Pfizer is Paxlovid.
00:21:34.000 And Molnupiravir operates on the same biological pathways as ivermectin, right?
00:21:42.000 Well, no.
00:21:43.000 So, yeah, it gets a little complicated.
00:21:46.000 Paxlovid inhibits a protease that ivermectin also inhibits.
00:21:50.000 So it has one mechanism that's shared with ivermectin.
00:21:52.000 But the thing about ivermectin, it has about 12 to 20 different other mechanisms in which it's effective and Paxilvid is a really lame, narrow overlap with ivermectin.
00:22:06.000 Ivermectin has a lot more to offer than Paxilvid.
00:22:09.000 When you just brought up the fact that Paxilvid was number one on that list, that actually was an outdated slide because since the other trials on Paxilvid have come out, Paxilvid has slid far down on that list.
00:22:22.000 It's not number one anymore.
00:22:24.000 Molnupiravir is kind of off.
00:22:25.000 We just did a study on Molnupiravir.
00:22:28.000 5,000 patients and it didn't work.
00:22:30.000 We knew it didn't work before.
00:22:32.000 And I don't want to get too geeky here, but in the molnupiravir trials, or in the one trial, it was multi-country trial.
00:22:39.000 It failed in every country except in Brazil.
00:22:42.000 And Brazil is notorious for having corrupt, what's called contract research organizations, groups that actually carry out the studies And that was the only country that it was affected.
00:22:52.000 Gates did a lot of his research and they ended up one of those research groups actually that was hired to His credit, I think, was hydroxychloroquine, and they actually, I think they gave him the five times the lethal dose.
00:23:08.000 They killed a lot of elderly patients, and they would end up being prosecuted by local prosecutors for murder.
00:23:15.000 Yeah.
00:23:16.000 I mean, Bobby, that was in your book.
00:23:18.000 When I read that, I was shocked.
00:23:19.000 And I went deeper into that story.
00:23:22.000 The actual principal investigators, like from the Solidarity trial where they did this, they've been asked by reporters, how did you come up with this dose?
00:23:31.000 And they give conflicting answers, and they could not cover up how they chose really what was a sublethal dose.
00:23:39.000 They literally made the patients toxic with this dose in order to prove that your drug didn't work.
00:23:43.000 And that's the other aspect of it.
00:23:45.000 It's not just the regulatory capture.
00:23:46.000 It's the depravity.
00:23:48.000 It's the lengths that they will go to ensure their products receive approval.
00:23:53.000 I mean, they don't care.
00:23:54.000 They don't care if it doesn't work.
00:23:56.000 They'll figure out how to prove that it's somehow effective.
00:23:59.000 And they don't care if it's dangerous.
00:24:01.000 I mean, the biggest joke of it all is in my entire career, I've never, ever heard of a drug like Paxlovin.
00:24:09.000 It has interactions with 125 different medicines across 25 drug classes.
00:24:18.000 I've never prescribed a medicine that has that many interactions.
00:24:22.000 And it also doesn't work.
00:24:24.000 They showed it worked in this high-risk group.
00:24:26.000 It failed in standard risk.
00:24:28.000 It failed in prevention.
00:24:29.000 Whereas ivermectin has positive trials in every single phase.
00:24:32.000 And at some point, Bob, and you've heard me talk, I don't even like to talk data anymore because the data has been so clear for so long.
00:24:40.000 Now, the data is distorted in the public.
00:24:42.000 It's misrepresented in the journals.
00:24:44.000 They know how to distort the science around A drug that they don't want used, but it's not about the data.
00:24:49.000 It's about what this film is about, really.
00:24:53.000 It's about that we're really held at the mercy and we're victims to those that control information.
00:24:58.000 They control the regulatory bodies.
00:25:00.000 They control the science, what gets published, how to do those trials.
00:25:05.000 And it's almost like, I mean, not almost, science has been captured.
00:25:09.000 I mean, the medical science is just not functioning and probably hasn't for a long time.
00:25:14.000 You know, I read, I was seeing today that Robert Malone had a subsack of the CIA's role in the COVID countermeasures.
00:25:25.000 You know, that's another kind of sinister dimension of this whole thing.
00:25:30.000 Robert, you talked about that this week.
00:25:32.000 I mean, what is the CIA doing at the table of a public health response?
00:25:37.000 Yeah, the CIA doesn't do public health.
00:25:42.000 Robert, you've seen them throughout your career, at least on the margins of public health.
00:25:50.000 And when you were part of that superstructure, what was your impression that they were doing there?
00:25:57.000 Well, that's complicated.
00:25:58.000 Thanks for that, pitching me that ball.
00:26:01.000 And I was very glad to see the coverage of Bob Kadlec.
00:26:05.000 Throughout this, Bob is absolutely a central figure and was a central figure in the COVID response within the Trump administration.
00:26:14.000 You probably could have covered that even more so had you had the time, Jeff, to include that.
00:26:20.000 Let's see, how do we begin?
00:26:21.000 It's important to understand that modern biology As practiced molecular biology, virology, microbiology, biochemistry is in significant part a consequence of massive, massive sustained biowarfare spending by the U.S. government.
00:26:43.000 The head of the American Society of Microbiology for years was one of the top people in our biowarfare complex.
00:26:51.000 This goes way back to World War II. I don't know if it goes back further than that.
00:26:57.000 I was told at one point in a briefing that the investments in biowarfare exceeded the investments in thermonuclear war.
00:27:06.000 So this whole infrastructure that we have in much of the faculty has been, certainly since Vietnam War era, has been grown up in an environment in which the The big money, which is what everybody has to chase if you want to get papers and become a very important person and win Nobel Prizes.
00:27:26.000 The big money has always been in this interface of bio-warfare and infectious disease and medical countermeasures.
00:27:36.000 And there's various slang over time.
00:27:39.000 In one of those terms is the Yellow Berets. 0.91
00:27:42.000 Much of the NIH infrastructure is built off of people who sought a pathway, upper middle class or upper class, children of the wealthy or the upper middle class, that sought a pathway to defer children.
00:27:58.000 The draft, to avoid the draft by joining the Public Health Service.
00:28:02.000 And Tony Fauci is one notable example of that.
00:28:07.000 So we've had this long, massive investment, and it's run through both nonprofits.
00:28:14.000 Patel, you were very generous not to mention some of those corporate names as you skipped through the data in your film clips.
00:28:22.000 There is a huge infrastructure that's been built up at universities and in nonprofits and nongovernmental organizations over decades.
00:28:31.000 And that all shifted with the signing of the Biowarfare Treaty.
00:28:35.000 But it kind of stayed and went underground.
00:28:38.000 And I'm very glad that you covered, Jeff, the Anthrax attacks.
00:28:43.000 I think you were still soft-peddling that.
00:28:47.000 Personally, I think that's even more nefarious than you covered.
00:28:50.000 And, you know, that was sold to us as another Saddam Hussein is the bad guy. 0.91
00:28:56.000 It was clearly intended to be deployed in that way through the language used in the letters, etc., The FBI itself calls it Amerithrax.
00:29:07.000 That was the case name.
00:29:08.000 And for some reason, they never got to the bottom of that, despite having abundant data.
00:29:13.000 And there remains a lot of controversy.
00:29:15.000 So what we're dealing with is a deeply, deeply entrenched interface between academe, microbiology, molecular biology and And this biodefense industrial complex that I think that's another strength of the part two is the identification of Dick Cheney and his leadership role.
00:29:40.000 And once again, Jeff, you kind of pulled your punches.
00:29:44.000 We could do a whole film just on what happened right around there, which really set the whole train in motion.
00:29:50.000 And what's been fascinating is these same folks have persisted through time.
00:29:55.000 Bob Cadillac is one example and have remained within this complex and then now have been promoted further up into these global organizations.
00:30:07.000 And CEPI is a notable example.
00:30:10.000 So really, we're now in a situation in which the intelligence community is deeply embedded throughout this.
00:30:19.000 And as you also appropriately note, Jeff, I think you used the term, it's the tip of the spear of American foreign policy.
00:30:27.000 It's long been the case that infectious disease and infectious disease intelligence It's been used, exploited as a tool to gain information about emerging economies and many opponents, of course, including the People's Republic of China.
00:30:48.000 I often am amused when I see these accusations of the Russians doing such bad stuff or the Chinese doing such bad stuff and interfering on our computer networks and stuff. 1.00
00:30:59.000 Knowing that going back to Project Argus and beyond, we've actively deployed computational intelligence gathering capabilities in China and throughout the world and use those for data fusion projects relating to infectious disease and So, Bobby, I hope I've given you a flavor.
00:31:21.000 You threw me a pretty open-ended question, so I've tried to respond without taking too much time.
00:31:29.000 Yeah, that was beautiful.
00:31:31.000 Thank you, Robert.
00:31:33.000 It's funny, as you're talking, I'm thinking, man, I need to sit down and do another interview with you, Dr.
00:31:40.000 Malone, on where Jeff pulled his punches.
00:31:43.000 And you're right, there's a whole story there.
00:31:46.000 I did the documentary of the 9-11 Commission Report, and we sat in a room.
00:31:51.000 Most people didn't know how many people jumped to their death from those burning buildings.
00:31:58.000 And it was that day, it was literally raining people.
00:32:01.000 The first fireman who was killed was killed because someone landed on him.
00:32:07.000 And the TV networks, quite responsibly at the time, pulled back from that as it was happening.
00:32:13.000 And so we were sitting in the edit room making a decision of how much of this do we show So we convey the truth and the horrificness of what happened and how much of it, you know, when does it become gratuitous and awful and where do we pull back?
00:32:34.000 And unfortunately in this film, Bobby had set some really good factual boundaries with the book, so we had a guide.
00:32:44.000 But as you're talking, I'm like, wow, there's so much of this.
00:32:48.000 And I just want to say, I could probably spend the rest of my life just exposing the work of the people that were in the film today.
00:32:58.000 And certainly the people sitting here right now is to be able to take what you know and translate that so more people can be aware of it.
00:33:08.000 I'm probably the luckiest guy in the world.
00:33:12.000 Well, speaking from that, Jeff, we've got some questions from the audience, and some of these are directed for some of our panelists, but a lot of them are open-ended and really anyone can answer them.
00:33:23.000 But I have a feeling that this first question is going to be more geared towards Robert here, Robert Kennedy, sorry.
00:33:29.000 So this question is from Stephanie.
00:33:32.000 It is, do you think anyone will ever get convicted or go to prison over these crimes that you have exposed in the book and Jeff in the documentary?
00:33:40.000 You know, I don't know.
00:33:42.000 I think it is possible.
00:33:43.000 It would be unprecedented.
00:33:45.000 But the crimes were so blatant.
00:33:48.000 And, you know, particularly the things...
00:33:50.000 I mean, I was thinking this weekend about just the fraud, the blatant fraud around remdesivir.
00:33:57.000 Now, if I was a prosecutor...
00:34:01.000 And if somebody brought me that case and said, will you prosecute Anthony Fauci for murder on this case, I would take that case.
00:34:14.000 Because I think that the crime was so blatant, and what he did was so blatant.
00:34:21.000 And then, you know, they took a drug that was so horrendously toxic, a chemotherapy drug that was used in a trial in 2019.
00:34:34.000 We're Ebola in Africa, and Tony Fauci had put it in that trial, and the Safety Review Committee ordered the trial to stop because it was killing so many people.
00:34:46.000 So Ebola is a disease that kills 50% of the people who get it, and this was too deadly to use against Ebola.
00:34:54.000 How in the world, three months later, do you put it in a trial where We're good to go.
00:35:08.000 And so he steps in and changes the endpoints of the trial in the middle of the trial, which itself is misconduct.
00:35:16.000 And then before the trial is over and before anything is published, and this is at a time when he's telling everybody else, you can't use ivermectin, you can't use hydroxychloroquine because there are no placebo-controlled studies.
00:35:31.000 In the middle of the trial, Without a publicity-but-control study, he goes to the White House and he makes this momentous announcement, we have the solution, we have the cure.
00:35:41.000 And President Trump jumps on that, and then they take it and they They bribe hospitals to force patients to give them.
00:35:51.000 First of all, they tell the hospital they do something that has never been done in medicine in our country or anywhere in the world before, which is you go to your doctor or the hospital with a respiratory infection with full symptoms of COVID. You get a test that says you have COVID and the doctor gives you no treatment and says, go home and wait till your lips are blue and And you can't breathe and then come back to the hospital.
00:36:16.000 So there's so many things wrong with that.
00:36:18.000 First of all, the doctor is supposed to treat people.
00:36:20.000 Even if you treat them, you know, throw mud against the wall, but give them some relief of their symptoms.
00:36:28.000 And you send them home, which is a super spreader event.
00:36:32.000 They're now going to infect their family.
00:36:33.000 And then when they do come back because they can't breathe, The Uber driver, the ambulance driver, the DoorDash drivers, everybody who touches them gets infected.
00:36:44.000 And then you bring them back and you give them two options alone, and both will kill them, intubation remdesivir.
00:36:51.000 And then to make sure the hospital doesn't screw around, you give the hospital a 20% bonus for giving them the remdesivir.
00:37:00.000 And meanwhile, at the same time, You've told the hospital, you've got to get rid of all of your, because you're locked down, you've got to get rid of all your elective surgeries.
00:37:12.000 So these hospitals are now going broke, because elective surgeries is where their bread and butter is.
00:37:18.000 So they've closed down the elective surgeries, they've strangled the hospital financially, and then they say, they dangle these 20% bonuses in front of them, and say, you know what, we'll pay you back, but you've got to kill your patient.
00:37:32.000 And that was their solution.
00:37:34.000 And remdesivir, if you look at the descriptions of how people were dying in New York City at the beginning of this, they were dying of kidney failure and they were dying of their lungs filling up, which are the two symptoms of remdesivir that kill you.
00:37:50.000 And Remdesivir was killing people in the Ebola studies that only took it for five days.
00:37:55.000 They were giving it to people for seven or eight days.
00:37:58.000 Bobby, it gets worse than that.
00:38:00.000 Bobby, I don't want to interrupt, but it gets worse because it's not only everything you just said.
00:38:06.000 You know, this nonsense study, and he comes out, this is a game changer.
00:38:10.000 You know, he presents the data as if it's way more impactful than it was.
00:38:15.000 But the thing is, is remdesivir is purportedly an antiviral.
00:38:20.000 We knew from early on, you know, myself...
00:38:23.000 Why are you giving it to them when they're dying in the hospital?
00:38:26.000 We had data showing...
00:38:29.000 Well, first of all, all antivirals are generally given within the first couple of days of symptoms.
00:38:34.000 Their efficacy later is gone.
00:38:36.000 But particularly with COVID, those that are in the hospital, when they did culture studies trying to find live virus in patients, after about day six or seven, this is the first strain, there was no culturable live virus.
00:38:49.000 And people weren't arriving to the hospital until day seven or eight or nine.
00:38:52.000 So they're literally giving a toxic antiviral to patients who are not harboring live virus anymore.
00:38:58.000 They're just in this hyper inflamed state.
00:39:00.000 So not even the studies or the bonuses or all that, it was illogical to begin with.
00:39:06.000 And you know what the converse of that is, Bobby?
00:39:08.000 So remember, if you've heard me talk, I started out COVID very naive.
00:39:12.000 I had no idea how the depth and depravity of the corruption.
00:39:16.000 But the first time, the first day that I thought something was really, really wrong in the pandemic was when I read, this is March of 2020, that the FDA was restricting hydroxychloroquine to the hospital.
00:39:30.000 And I said to myself, wait a second, if it's going to work as an antiviral, why would we limit it to the hospital phase and not allow it to be used as outpatients?
00:39:39.000 And so it's almost like the flip side of the two.
00:39:42.000 They wanted to use the drug where it didn't work rather than use it where it worked.
00:39:46.000 And it's endless.
00:39:49.000 And so, you know, the question, going back to the original question, can we prosecute them criminally?
00:39:55.000 Could somebody prosecute them criminally?
00:39:57.000 What we just talked about here is a prima facie case, you know, and then there's a lot of other stuff.
00:40:02.000 I mean, we had the highest kill rate in the world.
00:40:06.000 We had the highest body count.
00:40:07.000 We have 4.2% of the global population.
00:40:10.000 We had 16% of the COVID deaths.
00:40:13.000 And, you know, a lot of that's probably from, but just following Fauci's protocols and, you know, which is no early treatment by drugs that we know work and only treatment you get is by stuff that's going to kill you.
00:40:26.000 And so I think we could, I could get in front of a jury and And bring on people like Pierre Corey to talk about what he just talked about and a lot of other people and persuade that jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Tony Fauci is guilty of at least manslaughter and massive manslaughter of tens of thousands of people.
00:40:52.000 I think you could do it.
00:40:53.000 The problem is that for the Department of Justice, The client of the Department of Justice is the regulatory agencies.
00:41:03.000 And so it's really hard to persuade the Department of Justice to prosecute a regulatory agency.
00:41:13.000 You may be able to get, but the U.S. attorneys are appointed by the administration and they're part of the Department of Justice.
00:41:21.000 They're supposed to report to the Attorney General.
00:41:24.000 So it's a little tricky getting a U.S. attorney to prosecute a federal official, criminally or civilly.
00:41:31.000 There's a bunch of barriers to it.
00:41:34.000 If you got the right president in there who understood the, yes, as Pierce said, the depravity, the venal, craven, mercenary, murderous, homicidal depravity of what they did, I think you could make the case and you could win a jury trial and you could put them in jail.
00:41:56.000 Wow, thanks for that.
00:41:57.000 The next question is from Philip.
00:41:59.000 I am from Dusseldorf, Germany.
00:42:01.000 What is the best thing I can do to wake people up in my area?
00:42:04.000 I'm struggling to have people hear me out.
00:42:07.000 I'm struggling to get people to watch footage, film, even this film from Jeff Hayes Films.
00:42:13.000 What can I do?
00:42:14.000 Well, our book, the book has been translated into German.
00:42:19.000 You're right.
00:42:20.000 It's hard to get the people who tend to read the book are people who already have an open mind.
00:42:24.000 And the question is, how do you get the people who have a closed mind and are hostile to any...
00:42:35.000 It's the same thing as religion. 0.74
00:42:38.000 If you notice you start questioning somebody about their religion, isn't this belief ridiculous or whatever? 0.96
00:42:44.000 It makes them mad and you become the threat. 0.81
00:42:47.000 And this is true with all orthodoxies.
00:42:50.000 The human impulse for orthodoxy is a hardwired biological impulse.
00:42:56.000 It's an impulse that kept us safe.
00:42:59.000 During the 20,000 generations that human beings were wandering the African savannah and tiny little groups that were warring with everybody else, and you need to follow a powerful male leader, you needed to have unit cohesion, you needed to be willing to sacrifice yourself in the group to kill people who are outside of the group. 0.76
00:43:18.000 All of those things conspire, all of those biological hardwiring conspire to create various forms of orthodoxies in the way that we handle fear, that we handle threats in our lives, is to retreat into a group And to close our minds to information that challenges, you know, our loyalty to that group.
00:43:42.000 So how do you break through?
00:43:44.000 How do you get those orthodoxies to unravel?
00:43:47.000 And, you know, I talked to a psychiatrist about it, and this may not be helpful at all, but the psychiatrist said to me, he said, you can never challenge somebody's orthodoxy successfully by giving them information or through a direct attack.
00:44:03.000 And he said, the only way you can do it is through questioning.
00:44:06.000 And you have to be patient with the person.
00:44:09.000 And you have to ask them questions, never tell them facts, but ask them questions.
00:44:14.000 And that allows people in a non-threatening environment to start questioning their own belief systems.
00:44:21.000 I don't know if that's helpful, but anyway, that's what a really good psychologist is.
00:44:26.000 Bobby, I want to add to that.
00:44:27.000 So I liked how you also were like, I don't know when you started.
00:44:32.000 And I know how not to do it.
00:44:33.000 And it's exactly what you just said, because I learned this the hard way.
00:44:37.000 I mean, I was like a battering ram with data.
00:44:39.000 I just felt like my data was so good and unassailable and comprehensive and overwhelming.
00:44:44.000 How could you argue against my impeccable data?
00:44:47.000 And it's not a data argument.
00:44:50.000 And you're exactly right.
00:44:52.000 You can't go to an orthodoxy with data because that's not where they're engaging.
00:44:58.000 And...
00:44:58.000 I think what you said is draw them out with questions.
00:45:01.000 That's one thing.
00:45:02.000 I also think you try to identify and connect.
00:45:07.000 When I moved away from data, I try to talk humbly about how I came to believe how I believe.
00:45:15.000 I used to think this.
00:45:16.000 This is what happened.
00:45:17.000 This is what I think now.
00:45:19.000 Or ask some questions like, don't you find it odd that what we were told is not what the truth was?
00:45:24.000 And again, I don't have a real answer, but all I can tell you is it's exactly like you said.
00:45:30.000 It's not by hammering them with your own private data.
00:45:34.000 It just doesn't work.
00:45:35.000 In fact, if anything, they get more resistant.
00:45:37.000 And also, the other thing that I find that the barrier is Is when I used to talk to people, let's use the term blue-pilled, they have such an implicit faith and trust in societal institutions.
00:45:50.000 And so when I bring forth data, which calls that into question, whether you should have faith in Fauci, the agencies, the government, the media, you A sound like a conspiracy theorist, but you're also threatening their belief system.
00:46:05.000 And I don't know how to shake them of that faith.
00:46:07.000 I mean, I think there's plenty of data for them to really lose and weaken that faith in those institutions that have lied to them.
00:46:13.000 What's your book called, Robert?
00:46:15.000 My new book.
00:46:16.000 No, no.
00:46:17.000 I'm talking to Robert Malone now.
00:46:18.000 What's the name of Robert's book?
00:46:20.000 The Lies My Government Told Me in the Better Times Ahead.
00:46:24.000 Yeah.
00:46:24.000 Yeah.
00:46:25.000 Well, and that's the thing.
00:46:26.000 Trying to convince people that they're being lied to is difficult.
00:46:30.000 And so I try to just tell my story.
00:46:32.000 That's right.
00:46:33.000 We have P.T. Barnum or Mark Twain, who said that it's much easier to fool a person than it is to persuade them that they've been fooled.
00:46:41.000 Once they've swallowed that load, they have a hard time disgorging it.
00:46:46.000 And, you know, we also have to consider the fact that we're all, at this point, the targets of a PSYOP. Of organized propaganda that we see every day on TV. This is not paranoid.
00:46:59.000 It's something that anybody can see, the constant, you know, panic porn and the fear.
00:47:04.000 And then the shaming and the sanctimonious kind of virtue signaling and, you know, all of these things that fortify the orthodoxy.
00:47:13.000 And to the extent that that's purposeful, you know, the people who do these things for a living now have these technological innovations, AI innovations that make it formulaic to install and implant orthodoxies in large populations at Medentimate.
00:47:34.000 And two of the techniques that the agencies have used for a long time are kind of illustrative of what's happening, whether they're being used or not.
00:47:43.000 I do believe they're being used.
00:47:45.000 One is Stockholm Syndrome, where the people who are being locked up I'm grateful to their captors and they start to consider anybody who criticizes or messes around with their captors.
00:47:58.000 They're the enemy.
00:47:59.000 They're the ones, you know, that compliance is the only road to survival.
00:48:03.000 And anybody who tries to interfere with my Compliance is somebody who is now my enemy.
00:48:11.000 And then the other one is the Milgram experiment, which I've talked a lot about, which was a CIA, you know, MKUltra experiment where they put people in a room and had to electrocute a guy in the next room who was actually an actor in a confederate.
00:48:28.000 But most of the people didn't want to do it, but there was a doctor there with a stethoscope and a white coat saying, turn it up, turn it up, and 67% of the people turned it to 60 to 250 volts, which had said on the dial, potentially fatal.
00:48:45.000 Some of them were crying, and they were begging the doctor not to make them do it.
00:48:50.000 But when the doctor ordered them to do it, that overwhelmed, overruled, Their values, their, you know, principles, their everything, you know, their humanity.
00:49:03.000 And today we're all kind of in this big Milgram experiment where, you know, there's a doctor in a lab coat who's ordering us to do stuff that we know is wrong, to destroy our constitution, to censor speech, to abolish jury trials, to get rid of property rights,
00:49:20.000 to get rid of the right, you know, to assemble the And is, you know, telling us to do these things and then to be bigoted and cruel to people who don't comply, to exclude them, to deny a baby who's unvaccinated the kidney that that baby needs to survive, which is actually a true story, you know, where a hospital system says, no, we're not going to give it to your baby because he's unvaccinated.
00:49:43.000 So...
00:49:43.000 You know, those things are things we know better than, but if a doctor orders us to do it, and if there's enough fear in the atmosphere, you know, people will do it as they're told.
00:49:56.000 So it makes it harder to unravel the orthodoxy, since it's constantly being reinforced, and it appears to be, please, Robert, save me from this.
00:50:07.000 So one studies events around World War II, Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, etc.
00:50:14.000 People that...
00:50:15.000 You're speaking of the orthodoxy.
00:50:17.000 We could talk about people who were hypnotized in the narrative.
00:50:21.000 But what the history has demonstrated...
00:50:28.000 up in these, it's almost a cult, to call it an orthodoxy is generous, I think.
00:50:34.000 They will do almost anything to demonstrate their commitment to the cult, to the organization, to the belief system.
00:50:42.000 And as they go into it, there's multiple examples of people turning in their children, people turning in their neighbors.
00:50:51.000 And a case could be made that the acceptance of the multiple inoculations in the face of the data showing the risk is a way to demonstrate one's commitment to the tribe.
00:51:05.000 So there's tons of literature on this.
00:51:09.000 And, you know, mothers sending their sons to the gallows for heterodoxy. 0.62
00:51:15.000 When people go crazy like this, they will do almost anything to demonstrate tribal commitment.
00:51:23.000 And it's almost as if the more extreme, the more they find value in demonstrating their commitment.
00:51:31.000 And this gets, you know, then we go all the way up into the teaching and totalitarianism, the lessons learned from Hannah Arendt and so many others.
00:51:42.000 That history teaches that if you want to rule in a totalitarian society, the harsher the better.
00:51:51.000 There's actually kind of a positive feedback loop that a large fraction of the population, as we've discussed, really wants to be told what to do.
00:51:59.000 It's only a small fraction, maybe 10%.
00:52:02.000 That want to be free.
00:52:03.000 Most people want to be told what to do.
00:52:05.000 You know this, Pierre.
00:52:06.000 I mean, it was one of the hardest lessons for me as a physician.
00:52:09.000 I would always go into the interaction with the patient from the intellectual respect, you know, help them make a decision.
00:52:16.000 And most people just want to be told what to do.
00:52:21.000 Let me ask you two guys something.
00:52:24.000 I didn't mean to interrupt you, Pierre, but please finish what you were going to say.
00:52:28.000 What do you think it is?
00:52:30.000 Do you think there is something about the medical profession that makes...
00:52:35.000 It more amenable to kind of an authoritarian, you know, top-down.
00:52:41.000 Because you see so many doctors who are trained to treat people, who have devoted their lives to healing people, and we're watching them do exactly the opposite.
00:52:52.000 And, you know, in the face of all...
00:52:54.000 And they're scientists.
00:52:56.000 I mean, at some level, the doctors and scientists, they ought to have a critical mind.
00:53:00.000 They ought to be challenging evidence, always looking for...
00:53:03.000 A better solution.
00:53:05.000 And always alert to, you know, to unforecast outcomes or unintended outcomes.
00:53:13.000 Hold it.
00:53:15.000 I think just to say, I've heard Pierre speak quite persuasively and eloquently on this multiple times.
00:53:22.000 And so I'm going to defer to him and then comment after.
00:53:25.000 Over.
00:53:26.000 Yeah, no, I think your question's brilliant.
00:53:28.000 You know, it's interesting.
00:53:29.000 You would think a physician, right, who's part scientist, part clinician, part healer, well-intentioned, you would think that we would have, we would be chosen for our critical thinking skills, our open-mindedness, our willingness to test hypotheses and ideas.
00:53:44.000 And it's just not the case.
00:53:47.000 It's maybe how we're selected, how we're recruited into medical school.
00:53:50.000 But, you know, it's funny.
00:53:51.000 I was going to say something before you said something, is when Robert said 10%, the reason why I kind of like got triggered at the 10% is The first time I met Chris Martinson, who's a colleague of ours who's been really outspoken in this movement, I met him and we were having a discussion about this.
00:54:08.000 And he said, you know, he said, what percentage of the doctors do you think are truly open-minded, critically thinking and able to, like, sort of navigate this?
00:54:18.000 And I said, Chris, I'm going to answer that, but we're going to answer at the same time.
00:54:22.000 And I said, one, two, three.
00:54:24.000 And we both said 10%.
00:54:25.000 And the other part I want to say about that is that impression of doctors is actually the opposite.
00:54:33.000 First of all, we represent their human race on a normal distribution.
00:54:36.000 There are some that excel, some that are poor.
00:54:38.000 There's the great average.
00:54:39.000 But I think there's also stuff that happens in medicine that makes them particularly conformist and rule followers.
00:54:46.000 And that's actually what I struggled with my whole career because it's maybe my personality, my intellectual character, but I've always pushed back against the status quo.
00:54:55.000 I was always saying, why are we doing it this way?
00:54:57.000 Can we do it better?
00:54:58.000 And I've gotten into famous arguments and challenges throughout my career.
00:55:02.000 So that was just like my natural kind of stance.
00:55:05.000 And I just thought with COVID, for some reason in the beginning, before I really knew how effective propaganda was, I thought doctors would be particularly immune to all the propagation.
00:55:20.000 We look objectively and I found, Bobby, is that I was really shocked by this.
00:55:30.000 Doctors, medicine from the media, as much or maybe more than the journals.
00:55:35.000 Like, literally, I was hearing, when I was having discussions with doctors, I was hearing them parrot stuff that they were getting from the media, not from journals, not from critically thinking.
00:55:44.000 And so that's one point I would make, is that I don't think we're different than others, although you'd think we might be.
00:55:50.000 The other thing, there are forces, like in medicine, it's a highly regulated industry.
00:55:55.000 There's lots of rules and policies and practices.
00:56:00.000 And when you try to stray outside of those, there's a lot of forces moving back at you.
00:56:04.000 And then if you look at malpractice, right?
00:56:06.000 Malpractice is someone who's not meeting the standard of care, right?
00:56:11.000 So there are these guardrails in medicine that if you want an easy go of it, you're going to follow rules, you're going to do what you're told, and you're going to follow the masses.
00:56:21.000 And those that try to come out of that, there's this great book written actually by a friend of mine who's a transplant surgeon.
00:56:28.000 He wrote a book about the history of transplant surgery.
00:56:31.000 And when you think about the giants who invented transplant medicine, each and every one of them was literally almost criminally accused for everything they were doing.
00:56:40.000 Because what they were doing was so outside the norm and so groundbreaking and innovative, they had a lot of their colleagues that would attack them and scream at them for being murderers and unethical and all these things.
00:56:52.000 Like to innovate in medicine or to depart from the crowd, there's a lot of headwinds.
00:56:57.000 There's a lot of forces against you.
00:56:58.000 you.
00:56:58.000 And so when those of us who saw what happened, we know the truth about the medicine COVID, and we see the entire system, all the doctors in lockstep following these things, to me, it's somewhat not a surprise.
00:57:11.000 And in the best example, you brought up remdesivir.
00:57:13.000 So when remdesivir came out, and the point that I made to you about like, why are we using an antiviral 10 days into the illness?
00:57:19.000 You know, I would say this to my infectious disease colleagues, right?
00:57:22.000 The experts at infectious disease.
00:57:25.000 And their answers were so lame, and they were routinely writing for it.
00:57:30.000 None of them refused to give it.
00:57:32.000 I would discontinue it.
00:57:33.000 If they came into my ICU on remdesivir, I would stop it right away, and then I got into arguments there.
00:57:38.000 But you're literally dealing with supposed experts in infectious disease who are doing something nonsensical.
00:57:44.000 And then add to that the fact that the entire health system, overnight, because of something that came out of Fauci's mouth, they immediately ignore natural immunity, something that we've known for decades.
00:57:54.000 It's like an implicit foundation of medicine.
00:57:57.000 And that was the most terrifying, is that suddenly, based on almost no data, they're saying, vaccinate those that just recovered from COVID. And all of the doctors went along.
00:58:08.000 I don't know if I'm adding any new information that the people who are listening or you guys know, but the conformity and the lack of resistance or critical thinking is somewhat not a surprise, but it's shocking.
00:58:21.000 Robert, I hand it to you.
00:58:23.000 So I was hoping that Pierre was going to say this one comment that I've heard him say a couple of times that I thought was profound.
00:58:31.000 The medical care providers were in the first wave of the vaccinated.
00:58:35.000 And so they basically all bought the narrative, assimilated it and subjected it to themselves.
00:58:43.000 And so to buck that narrative means that they would have to own their own mistake, which I've had to do because the likes of Stu Peters has forced me to, in that I took both jabs, as the documentary indicated.
00:58:59.000 The other thing, in traveling about, particularly in New York, there's a large, and in Boston, in the hospitalists, That were active during the first wave, there is a lot of PTSD. Those folks that were at the front lines, as Pierre was, you know, manning those ICUs, have seen things that they never expected to see in their lives.
00:59:24.000 Those that were in that front wave, and in Italy too, where they were overdosing and overventilating, And just losing patient after patient after patient, many of those people are deeply traumatized.
00:59:40.000 And to acknowledge that what they did had a role in causing unnecessary death, I think generates too much cognitive dissonance.
00:59:51.000 I just don't think they can tolerate it.
00:59:54.000 Well, thank you guys for that.
00:59:55.000 We've got about five to ten minutes left.
00:59:58.000 So this next question is a two-part question.
01:00:01.000 First part is going to be for Jeff.
01:00:03.000 So this question is for Jeff Hayes and RFK. First, Jeff, I will assume you've read the book more than once, LOL. While filming and putting everything together, is there anything that you learned outside of what is in the book?
01:00:18.000 So I really don't even want to waste a minute.
01:00:21.000 I'm happy to answer questions by email.
01:00:24.000 I'm sitting here listening to these three men talk, and I feel like a guy who in a hotel stumbles into the wrong room and suddenly is in a room full of brilliant people that are so far beyond.
01:00:40.000 And I want to sit back and not get kicked out of the room and listen to what these guys have said.
01:00:48.000 I have a radio interview in the morning at 5 o'clock, and I've made notes.
01:00:53.000 I'm going to be so much better on the radio interview.
01:00:56.000 So yeah, I'm looking at stuff from outside the book on every time I get to visit with any of these men.
01:01:03.000 And I'm just so committed to my career that I get to help people be exposed to your thinking.
01:01:12.000 And beyond that, I don't want to take one second of time away from this.
01:01:16.000 All right.
01:01:17.000 Well, then I'll ask the second question.
01:01:18.000 And Jeff, did I not text you that exact same thing not too long ago saying, I feel like a fly on the wall?
01:01:24.000 Yeah.
01:01:26.000 All right.
01:01:27.000 So second part of that question is for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
01:01:30.000 Do you have any plans of putting a follow-up to the book or are we living that follow-up right now?
01:01:37.000 I'm about to put out the follow-up book, the sequence, which is called the Wuhan cover-up.
01:01:44.000 And a lot of the things that Robert Malone was talking about, you know, which he always knows things before anybody else does.
01:01:52.000 But I go into the entire history of bioweapons and what happened after World War... 0.57
01:02:00.000 Well, during World War II, during the Japanese... 0.97
01:02:02.000 You know, the Japanese were the first ones... 1.00
01:02:04.000 After bioweapons been used throughout history, but the Japanese used them intensively and did it in an industrial way where they built, you know, factories in Manchuria. 0.93
01:02:16.000 They experimented on probably 10,000 materials.
01:02:20.000 Guinea pigs, human guinea pigs.
01:02:22.000 They built entire complexes where they could house thousands of people with cells where you would stick the prisoners in the cells who were all super healthy because they were doing scientific experiments and they wanted to see how these viruses and these pathogens would work on healthy people.
01:02:41.000 And the people would put their, and the prisoners would put their arms out into a hallway through a special hole in the cell, and they'd receive an injection, and then they would be observed, and it would be plague, or it would be hemorrhagic fever,
01:02:59.000 or any of these, of dozens and dozens of these terrible diseases, and then Every single one of them was autopsied while they were still alive, usually without anesthetic.
01:03:14.000 Because the Japanese scientist, whose name was Shishi Hiro, who was running the whole thing, wanted to make sure that they could see the activity of the pathogen on a healthy human.
01:03:30.000 So...
01:03:32.000 They did things that were extraordinary, but after the war, those scientists who all would have been paying for war crimes were brought to the United States and brought some of them to Fort Detrick and to laboratories.
01:03:45.000 And then the Nazi scientists who were doing bioweapons were brought over on Operation Paperclip. 0.79
01:03:51.000 Those scientists like Werner Erhard, who had this profound impact not only on the development of our nuclear weapons and our missile system, but also on the kind of ethics in that these scientists dictated a kind of ethical culture in the bioweapons field that has never gone away.
01:04:12.000 And it's kind of this moral myopia that allows them to, bioweapon scientists, to justify experiments on human beings for the greater good.
01:04:24.000 It allows them to do things that, you know, most doctors, physicians, and scientists would consider abhorrent.
01:04:32.000 And yet those cultural tags, those, you know, moral myopia, also in some ways a contempt for science, has really been infiltrated, the culture of bioweapons development ever since.
01:04:47.000 Now, those people were smuggled in by the defense intelligence agencies and ultimately by the CIA, which was running for Dietrich.
01:04:55.000 And as Robert Malone showed, when Nixon did something extraordinary in 1969, he banned all bioweapons.
01:05:03.000 He unilaterally terminated the American Bioweapons Program.
01:05:07.000 And the reason he did it was because, one, he thought it was morally wrong, but also, bioweapons are a poor man's nuclear bomb.
01:05:17.000 Anybody can develop them.
01:05:19.000 And we had already signed an agreement that gave us essentially seven nations of nuclear monopoly around the world, and we had the best one.
01:05:27.000 And yet we were developing technology that could easily be stolen or misplaced or given away to rogue nations or individual malefactors in a garage.
01:05:38.000 And they could create weapons that would kill the same amount of people, had what they called nuclear equivalency.
01:05:45.000 They could have killed the same amount of people as died in Hiroshima. 0.82
01:05:49.000 And so Nixon said, this is not a good strategy.
01:05:53.000 Plus, unlike chemical weapons, bioweapons always have blowback.
01:05:58.000 And we used bioweapons during the Korean War that we got from these Japanese scientists, and we dropped them in Korea, we dropped bug bombs in Korea, we dropped them in China, and guess what? 1.00
01:06:10.000 There was blowback on U.S. forces and 2,800 U.S. troops got hemorrhagic, you know, Nile hemorrhagic fever, which didn't exist in Korea, but we were putting it there. 1.00
01:06:20.000 So there's always blowback.
01:06:22.000 Chemical weapons, you don't necessarily get blowback, but with biological, there's always blowback.
01:06:27.000 And that's why you need a vaccine, because you need to, a vaccine is part of the offensive weapons package.
01:06:35.000 You need to be able to inoculate your own troops and your own citizens against blowback.
01:06:40.000 And that's why vaccine development is always the same steps, and it's the outcome.
01:06:46.000 You need a vaccine before you can deploy biological weapons.
01:06:50.000 So the people who are developing biological weapons, as Robert Malone pointed out, were also the people who were making vaccines.
01:06:56.000 Nixon banned it all, and then we all signed the Biological Weapons Treaty. 0.52
01:07:01.000 Charter in 75, the CIA went to Fort Detrick, and they emptied out the refrigerators, and they took with them samples of all of the worst cultures, and nobody knows what they did with them.
01:07:15.000 But then they hired Battelle, which Robert, you know, this intelligence and military consulting firm that Robert Malone mentioned at the They developed illegally and secretly an anthrax bug bomb in the 80s and 90s that was totally illegal.
01:07:35.000 It was criminal with a death sentence if you got caught.
01:07:39.000 But they did it anyway.
01:07:41.000 They had absolute contempt for the law.
01:07:43.000 And after the anthrax tax...
01:07:46.000 We passed, a week after the anthrax attacks, we passed the Patriot Act, and the Patriot Act, nobody had read it, 300 pages, not a single member of Congress had read it.
01:07:57.000 It had been written way in advance.
01:07:58.000 It was sitting there on the shelf.
01:08:00.000 Somebody had it waiting, and they rolled it out, and guess what?
01:08:04.000 It has provisions in it that said it doesn't specifically revoke the Geneva Convention, which bans bioweapons development, and it doesn't revoke the 1975 Bioweapons Charter, which Nixon created and everybody signed.
01:08:20.000 But what it says is, if you are a federal government employee, you cannot be prosecuted for violating those laws.
01:08:28.000 So it gave full immunity to anybody who's a federal employee To do bioweapons development.
01:08:35.000 And that launched this new bioweapons arms race. 0.57
01:08:38.000 And we are in it right now.
01:08:40.000 And Tony Fauci originally was the guy who was entrusted because the Pentagon didn't want to openly do it.
01:08:46.000 The CIA didn't want to openly do it.
01:08:48.000 So they got Fauci as a front man.
01:08:51.000 And in the law, it says NIAID is going to be the center for bioweapons development for the United States military.
01:08:59.000 What happened is all of that money goes in.
01:09:03.000 It does a lot of things to medicine in our country.
01:09:05.000 It contaminates all of medicine with military ethics.
01:09:10.000 The ethics of these original Japanese bioweapons developers and the German bioweapons developers will write through Tony Fauci to the entire virology community, and they adopt all of these, the same moral elasticity, I would call it. 0.80
01:09:26.000 or myopia.
01:09:27.000 And that's what you see.
01:09:29.000 They contaminated all the medicine.
01:09:30.000 They also sucked away a lot of the brains and resources for medicine to do the inverse of medicine, because what are these guys developing?
01:09:39.000 They're developing, they're using all of these new kinds of science to develop bioweapons, synthetic biology, to develop bioweapons that are so horrendous.
01:09:55.000 For example, we put huge amounts of money Into ethnic bioweapons. 0.98
01:10:01.000 Bioweapons that will kill certain races. 0.98
01:10:04.000 And we've been collecting, you know, the Russians have accused us repeatedly, and Hillary Clinton has admitted that we've been collecting Russian DNA for years.
01:10:13.000 And we've been collecting Chinese DNA. And the South African government was developing ethnic bio-weapons that only killed Blacks. 0.94
01:10:24.000 The Israeli government was developing bio-weapons that only killed Jews.
01:10:28.000 And one of the interesting things, there's a paper that came out this year that shows that an ethnic differential in COVID-19.
01:10:37.000 Oh, there's a few races that COVID-19 It has a disproportionate impact on those are Caucasians and Blacks, and the people who are least likely to be affected because their H2 receptors have a structure that does not fit well with the fur and cleave in the COVID-19 virus.
01:11:00.000 And those are Chinese.
01:11:02.000 They're fins for some reason.
01:11:04.000 They're the most immune.
01:11:06.000 People from Finland and Ashkenazi Jews.
01:11:09.000 And so, you know, we don't know whether anybody deliberately was looking at these things, but there's really horrendous things going on, and there's stuff that they wouldn't even do in the Wuhan lab.
01:11:20.000 And where do they do that?
01:11:22.000 They do it in the Ukrainian labs. 0.99
01:11:24.000 There's 40 labs there in Georgia, the former Soviet state.
01:11:29.000 And that's where the really ugly stuff is happening today in bio-weapons.
01:11:34.000 And those nations have all signed contracts with the U.S. military.
01:11:39.000 It gives diplomatic immunity to Battelle and all the military contractors over there so they can murder people and they cannot be prosecuted by the host nation.
01:11:49.000 It makes it illegal for anybody from the host nation to enter the facility.
01:11:54.000 It gives...
01:11:55.000 Retention to all the pathogens that are developed in those facilities in the United States government, and it makes it illegal if a pathogen escapes and contaminates the local population.
01:12:08.000 It makes it illegal for the government to report that publicly or to prosecute or to investigate it.
01:12:16.000 And there have been so many leaks over there.
01:12:18.000 It's really a horrendous story.
01:12:21.000 It's all kind of part of my new book.
01:12:23.000 It's a It's distressing.
01:12:26.000 And it's infiltrated medicine.
01:12:29.000 That's the problem.
01:12:30.000 The medical establishment is now part of this deal flow and this connection to the military where they're doing the opposite of what medicine.
01:12:38.000 They're developing bugs deliberately.
01:12:41.000 Malaria mosquitoes that can operate in cold climates.
01:12:46.000 They're developing microbes that are antibody-resistant, that are antiviral-resistant, that are vaccine-resistant.
01:12:55.000 So they're trying to develop bugs that will kill you more efficiently, that will spread more quickly, and that will resist any human intervention.
01:13:04.000 That is exactly the opposite of what a doctor is supposed to do.
01:13:08.000 And these people... 1.00
01:13:11.000 Are crazy. 1.00
01:13:12.000 They are insane. 1.00
01:13:14.000 And yet, they look like adults. 0.94
01:13:16.000 And people like Peter Daszak, everybody respects them and all of this.
01:13:22.000 And they're people who are utterly irresponsible.
01:13:26.000 They have horrendous judgment.
01:13:28.000 They have no moral core to them.
01:13:32.000 And they're in charge of huge, huge budgets of taxpayer money to do evil things with.
01:13:41.000 Well, I can't wait to buy that one.
01:13:45.000 Well, guys, we've come up on the hour.
01:13:48.000 I texted Jeff, you know, about 35-40 minutes ago and I just said I could not believe that I get to be a fly on the wall here and listen to these amazing guys.
01:13:59.000 Talk about the work that they do every day.
01:14:01.000 I can sentiment that from the audience.
01:14:03.000 The audience has been nothing but grateful for your time, for your efforts, and your energy put into this.
01:14:09.000 And with that, Jeff, any closing remarks that you'd like to close this out with?
01:14:14.000 First off, I want to thank these three men, and I don't want to leave you out, Sean.
01:14:20.000 Thank you as well, but specifically these three men for what you do, for allowing us to be a part of it.
01:14:26.000 I'm going to ask the audience, The people watching this, the way this film gets out is by us spreading it.
01:14:34.000 You'll notice if you put it on Facebook, you'll get like two likes instead of your normal hundred.
01:14:38.000 It's being shadow banned everywhere.
01:14:41.000 We need to get it out via email.
01:14:46.000 We did a good job on this, on exposing the thinking of men like these.
01:14:52.000 I can't wait to do more of that.
01:14:54.000 I do want to ask you to please help get this message out.
01:14:59.000 It's important.
01:15:00.000 A lot of people will reject it, but there's a lot of people that are waking up and just need some direction, and this is our best effort to get it out there.
01:15:09.000 Thank you.
01:15:11.000 Yeah, Robert.
01:15:13.000 Thank you so much, John.
01:15:14.000 Thanks.
01:15:15.000 Thanks a lot.
01:15:16.000 We'll see you guys soon.
01:15:18.000 Thanks everyone.
01:15:19.000 Take care.
01:15:21.000 Thanks for having me.