RFK Jr. The Defender - November 02, 2021


Eric Clapton and RFK Jr Stand and Deliver

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spiritual journey mass formation
Hosted by
Robert F. Kennedy
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Eric Clapton David Ormsby Gore Jane Harold Pinter Robert Shaw Uncle Jack Alice Benny Goodman Chris Whitty Matt Taibbi Bill Wilson Jan Wenner Bill Gates Khrushchev Harlick Francis Jerry Lewis My Aunt Jackie Madeleine Albright Donald Pleasence and 34 more
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Legendary rock and roll singer Eric Clapton joins singer-songwriter Neil Peart to discuss his life and career, and the importance of being a hero to the world. He also discusses his relationship with his daughter, and how he deals with the pressures of being in the public eye, and what it means to be a hero in the eyes of the public, and a villain to the rest of the world and how to deal with the press and fans who don t see him as a villain. And, of course, he talks about his new album, Mr. Blue Sky Blues, which is out now, and why he thinks it s better than the old days. The 500 is a production of Native Creative Podcasts. New Artist Spotlight is a series of interviews with musicians and songwriters from the music press and community that chronicles their lives, careers, and influences in the music industry. Join our bi-monthly newsletter, Native Creative. Subscribe today using our new hashtag to receive exclusive interviews, unlimited access to new episodes, and access to all new music releases and events happening in and around Native Creative! Subscribe to Native Creative and Native Creative, wherever you get your favourite Native Creative podcasts! Learn more about your ad choices. Use the promo code: "cjr.fm" to receive $5 and a discount of $5 when you shop at Native Creative + $10 or more when referring a Native Creative Member gets a copy of Native's new album "Native Creative's "CJCD" - Native Creative Connections' "Native Connections" - a limited edition limited edition hardcover print only in-edition print edition of Native Native Creative's Native Creative "Native Native "CODA" available only in $50 or $60 or $75,000 and $150,000 in-apparel available at Native Native "cribbed in-only in-crib # Native Creative will receive $50,000, and two-of-a-choice, and only two copies of Native "Native in-cluster "Native Crow "Cribbons" available for Native Creative Union Union "Native Cherokee "Cigar" will be available for purchase at Native Cherokee, NCG "Native American "Coding" "COGAR" and "Crowling" "Native "Cousin" "Culver "Cullen " and "Native Union " " "and " Native Union " are available for pre-order.

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00:00:00.000 So I'm really excited today because I am one of my greatest rock and roll heroes and now a hero in other respects too, Eric Clapton.
00:00:10.000 And I grew up in the generation, which is the Clapton is God generation.
00:00:13.000 I grew up with the Yardbirds, as I told you in our first kind of communications, following you since then, in Cream, Blues Breakers, Derrick and the Dominoes, when you did the tour with Bonnie and Delaney.
00:00:29.000 Blind Faith, I have every album that you've ever made.
00:00:33.000 And, you know, I just grew up in that era, which you're very familiar with.
00:00:38.000 I want to just do a little bit of a recap of your career.
00:00:42.000 129 million records sold.
00:00:45.000 18 gold platinum or diamond records, 18 Grammys, unprecedented, three inductions in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for different headings.
00:00:57.000 Eric has played with every band that you've ever heard of, with Bob Dylan, with Aretha Franklin, with The Who, with The Beatles, with The Rolling Stones, with the Allman Brothers, Jimi Hendrix.
00:01:09.000 Really an amazing, amazing career.
00:01:12.000 And now...
00:01:13.000 Rolling Stone magazine considered him one of the greatest rock and roll heroes of all time.
00:01:19.000 And now you are a villain to the world.
00:01:23.000 So talk a little bit.
00:01:25.000 And I know, first of all, I want to tell the audience, Eric has done something he never does, which is not just to talk to somebody outside of his narrow.
00:01:37.000 He's famously shy.
00:01:39.000 And not only talking to somebody outside of his circle of friends, but also talking to somebody at seven or eight o'clock in the evening, or I don't know how late it is over there, but I was told by him and others that he never talks to anybody after dinner, but he made this accommodation.
00:01:57.000 So because Eric's in France and I'm in L.A., so I'm really grateful that you made that accommodation.
00:02:04.000 And I will tell people up front so that if you make any dramatic errors, you have a good excuse up front.
00:02:12.000 you Tell us, you know, how did you walk into this buzzsaw?
00:02:18.000 Because you knew it was going to happen if you talked about this, right?
00:02:22.000 A buzzsaw.
00:02:23.000 Yeah.
00:02:25.000 What's happened to your life in the last month?
00:02:28.000 Yeah.
00:02:29.000 It's what it feels like sometimes.
00:02:30.000 It's been, over the last year, there's been a lot of disappearing, you know, a lot of dust around with people.
00:02:38.000 Moving away quite quickly.
00:02:40.000 And it does kind of refine, it has, for me, refined the kind of friendships I have.
00:02:46.000 And it's dwindled down to the people I obviously really need and love.
00:02:51.000 And inside my family, That became quite pivotal.
00:02:55.000 With young kids, I've got teenage girls and an older girl who's in her 30s, and they've all had to kind of give me leeway because I haven't been able to convince any of them.
00:03:07.000 I think my wife is now seeing it the same way as me, but most of them...
00:03:12.000 They've always thought I'm a crackpot anyway, because I do things that are extremely unusual on any kind of level.
00:03:20.000 My pastimes and my tastes, the kind of movies I like, the books.
00:03:24.000 And yet they'll find themselves liking these things a little bit later.
00:03:29.000 So I'm out of step.
00:03:31.000 It's like I'm always out of step.
00:03:33.000 There's been a few people, usually musicians, and remarkably American musicians, It's almost like we grew up in the same backyard.
00:03:43.000 And I was just playing, adding myself on to a piece of music that Jimmy Vaughan had sent me a couple of days ago where he's singing.
00:03:51.000 He's singing a song called Down With Big Brother.
00:03:54.000 He's written a song about, you know, take these shackles off of me.
00:03:58.000 And it's, you know, it's kind of any, it could be any kind of protest song, but he wrote it way back.
00:04:04.000 And this was a long, long time ago.
00:04:06.000 And I thought that he is definitely crazier than I am.
00:04:09.000 And it's barbed wire fences and all this kind of thing. 0.91
00:04:12.000 He's a real Texan.
00:04:13.000 And now, you know, I've just convinced him to play so that we can put it out on the underground, you know, and it'll leak up or do whatever it does.
00:04:23.000 And so he sent this over and I'm playing along and I play, I didn't realise, but I play the same as him.
00:04:29.000 And yet we were born 6,000 miles apart.
00:04:33.000 But so I kind of...
00:04:35.000 I've found people a bit like me, but it's been difficult in this last couple of years, especially with, you know, mainstream media turning.
00:04:44.000 And, you know, I had been inspired by Van because he came straight out.
00:04:49.000 And his reasoning was, why can't we?
00:04:52.000 We have to make music for people.
00:04:54.000 I mean, he's a crusader, you know, really sees it as his calling.
00:04:59.000 And I thought, yeah, that's right.
00:05:01.000 People are not, they're not really acquainted with the idea that this is as important in their healing as any kind of medicine.
00:05:10.000 You know, the whole community thing of people being together with music and with great music.
00:05:16.000 And I think, you know, I got, I signed on with Van.
00:05:19.000 I said, have you got any songs?
00:05:21.000 And he sent me the song called Stand and Deliver.
00:05:24.000 And it was a kind of, it was comic, you know, it was kind of musical stuff.
00:05:28.000 And so Stand and Deliver, Dick Turpin wore a mask too, was the opening line.
00:05:33.000 And I thought, well, that's great.
00:05:35.000 It's just, it's kind of lighthearted.
00:05:37.000 But it's saying what we're all thinking, or some of the stuff.
00:05:41.000 And I got so much flack straight away from people right close to me, friends and associates and family, and saying, no, you can't.
00:05:49.000 You can't do that.
00:05:51.000 And I thought, I couldn't see what was so dangerous about it or risky.
00:05:54.000 And especially since it was targeted at the UK government when they started locking down and telling, you know, there was one guy that was the chancellor.
00:06:05.000 He still is.
00:06:06.000 Who said that if you're a musician and you can't get work, you should train for something else.
00:06:13.000 Is that Chris Whitty?
00:06:17.000 Is it Rishi Sunak?
00:06:22.000 Okay.
00:06:24.000 He's the finance minister.
00:06:29.000 To cut to the chase, I kind of signed on with that.
00:06:34.000 When I realized that there was a real parting of the ways, it only made me more determined because it's a bit To come up to date with the Rolling Stone kind of slur campaign, it becomes a compliment when it's coming from, you know, certain areas of the media.
00:06:52.000 Then it's just an affirmation to me that I'm doing the right thing.
00:06:57.000 And I had approached, I had come near to approaching them anyway a few months ago because a friend of mine was trying to Create a platform for a debate where we could talk about the pros and cons of the thing, you know.
00:07:13.000 And I found out in the course, and I thought Rolling Stone, and I thought of David Frick, who was one of the chief editors there, and one of the great journalists who I'd always got on with.
00:07:25.000 Was open-minded, good journalist, good interviewer.
00:07:28.000 And he was fired about five years ago.
00:07:31.000 And I got hold of him and he said, oh no, Rolling Stone now is owned by Roger Penske, who is ex-NASCAR. Do you know that?
00:07:41.000 Yeah.
00:07:41.000 I think, I don't know what his part in NASCAR was, but it I think he's gone on to become a collector of companies or whatever you call that.
00:07:51.000 And so they're not really...
00:07:53.000 I didn't even know how I was talking.
00:07:55.000 So I don't know who these...
00:07:56.000 I don't even know who these people are, except...
00:07:59.000 And why are they picking on me?
00:08:02.000 There's a grudge there.
00:08:03.000 And it is a fact.
00:08:05.000 And I've told this to a few friends.
00:08:08.000 They kind of helped to break up Cream.
00:08:11.000 I hate to say to give them that kind of power but back then they had just started and they did a really funny thing where they interviewed me in Sausalito and then they reviewed up Gig at the Fillmore and juxtaposed them so that on page two and page three there was the review and there was the interview and When it came out, someone showed it to me and I fainted.
00:08:35.000 I literally passed out from shock because I'd never been criticized on a deeply intellectual level like that before.
00:08:45.000 And I thought, I actually thought they've seen through me.
00:08:48.000 I've been spotted.
00:08:50.000 I've been, you know, debunked.
00:08:52.000 And I said to the other guys, I think we've come to the end of the road.
00:08:56.000 We've been We've been, you know, we're frauds.
00:09:00.000 And I think back, and they managed to convince me, those guys.
00:09:04.000 And I won't name that.
00:09:05.000 You would know who they were.
00:09:07.000 I mean, they're bigwigs.
00:09:08.000 But they convinced me that I was a charlatan, basically.
00:09:12.000 And it's taken me a long time to actually realise, no, no, we were pretty good.
00:09:18.000 Yeah, pretty good.
00:09:21.000 We were doing the right thing.
00:09:23.000 It was just, we didn't know what we were doing.
00:09:25.000 I'll admit that we didn't know what we were doing, but it was good and the people loved it and there was something of spite in there, which I've seen now.
00:09:36.000 I see everywhere.
00:09:38.000 I mean, I see it in all the media.
00:09:40.000 I don't read I don't read newspapers and I don't watch TV. I would watch movies but I would not watch.
00:09:48.000 I found that really disturbing once I found that I was hooked on the BBC news and I was waking up going to watch the 8 o'clock, the 1 o'clock, the 6 o'clock and the 10 o'clock news to see what they're going to dream up next for us to suffer from.
00:10:03.000 You know, Rolling Stone is interesting what happened there because I grew up with Rolling Stone, and Jan Wenner has been my friend for decades, and Hunter Thompson, and then, you know, great journalists like Matt Taibbi, who's one of the great,
00:10:19.000 continuing to be great counterculture journalists, who's been one of the most astute critics of the American political system and the marriage between corporate power and American politics, the kind of corporate kleptocracy.
00:10:34.000 And my first piece on vaccines I did for Rolling Stone in 2005 and won a lot of awards for that.
00:10:42.000 And there was an immediate pushback from the industry, from the pharmaceutical industry, and from the medical cartel.
00:10:50.000 Salon co-published it, and Salon took it down under pressure from Big Pharma and said it was filled with errors.
00:10:58.000 They never pointed to any error in it.
00:11:01.000 Jan Wenner steadfastly kept it up on the site, and at the beginning of COVID, they took it down.
00:11:08.000 After Penske took over, they took it down.
00:11:12.000 The best journalists have left Rolling Stone, like Matt Taibbi, and they're left, you know, with a bunch of people.
00:11:19.000 Tim Dickinson is one and a number of others who have just completely gone over to the corporate side and have bought this whole pharmaceutical paradigm hook, line and sinker.
00:11:31.000 And it used to be, it was the leading counterculture org in our country for many, many years.
00:11:38.000 And now it's just part of this wallpaper of pharmaceutical promotion.
00:11:43.000 You know, in the way that they've gone after you.
00:11:45.000 I mean, if you think about it, if you reduce what happened to you, and I want to hear kind of what happened, but really, you know, the major element of the story is you took the vaccine, you got hurt by the first one, you believe the propaganda, you took the second one, you got essentially disabled by the second one, you spoke out about your injury, and the whole world came down.
00:12:12.000 And gaslighted you and marginalized you and vilified you because you got injured by that product.
00:12:19.000 And here they come after you because you're not allowed to talk about that.
00:12:24.000 And that is the big problem is that they're trying, the way they're coping with the injuries from these vaccines is to pretend they don't exist and to punish people who get injured and then try to talk about it.
00:12:38.000 Yeah, that's a good synopsis.
00:12:40.000 I remember, because I looked in my phone for the dates, and the end of February was the first jab, and then the first of April was the second, and I didn't really feel the full effect of the second one for about two weeks.
00:12:55.000 And what it was, I was disabled.
00:12:58.000 My hands swallowed up and they froze, and I was getting ready to come out here.
00:13:04.000 To come out to where you are, not here, but to the States. 0.96
00:13:07.000 And I thought, I'd been practicing, practicing, all went out the window.
00:13:11.000 And I really wasn't sure if I was going to have to cancel.
00:13:15.000 And I had to cancel a few other things that I wanted to do, but I thought it would be detrimental to the progress or the healing process, if there was going to be one.
00:13:24.000 And that's the thing is, I didn't know.
00:13:26.000 I mean, the uncertainty surrounding this thing has been mammoth, I think.
00:13:31.000 I think everybody I know has got, what do they call it, the CAS, the anxiety syndrome.
00:13:38.000 Everybody I know is unsettled about it.
00:13:41.000 And for me, it was heightened by the fact that I had These adverse reactions.
00:13:46.000 And the life-saving part of it was that I'd found a group of people who were inviting me to talk about it because I couldn't talk about it anywhere.
00:13:56.000 As you said, there was nobody listening.
00:13:58.000 And it was very, very difficult to know what to do or how to...
00:14:02.000 I thought I was going crazy.
00:14:05.000 But I was invited into a group of people who have a channel on Telegram and we...
00:14:11.000 Which, by the way, the English government is getting ready to take down, too.
00:14:18.000 The leader of the Labour Party brought it up, I think, today in the House of Commons.
00:14:22.000 Telegram is a terrorist organisation, and it's got to be...
00:14:26.000 So they're trying to prevent people who have a critical point of view or any kind of questioning...
00:14:33.000 Nature from communicating with one another.
00:14:36.000 It's getting really, really scary.
00:14:39.000 But I was pissed off for two years that you take music out of the equation of our cultures.
00:14:47.000 We were all suffering from isolation.
00:14:51.000 And I believe this is my calling to play music.
00:14:55.000 And I don't even know what it's going to come out like, but I know it's beneficial because all music is.
00:15:00.000 I have a strong conviction about that.
00:15:03.000 And I was absolutely determined to beat these guys and we'll just go down fighting.
00:15:09.000 And that's still my mission.
00:15:11.000 And it's funny because they can say stuff about me, but I actually haven't felt physical opposition anywhere.
00:15:18.000 In fact, I felt more support as a result of this than I ever did before about anything.
00:15:24.000 And I was always quite private about my I'm really quite naive about the internet and all that,
00:15:54.000 but when I saw The sort of bad comments on Facebook.
00:15:57.000 I thought, you can't be serious.
00:15:59.000 This is like three guys that are doing this.
00:16:01.000 They all use the same language and everything. 0.99
00:16:04.000 It's just pathetic. 0.99
00:16:05.000 And so the flack I'm getting is not even grown up. 0.99
00:16:10.000 You know what I mean?
00:16:11.000 It's not even substantial enough for me to be concerned about.
00:16:15.000 And the support I get from some of the people that we know in common has been Phenomenal and really uplifting.
00:16:24.000 And so I'm really, you know, I'm more determined than ever.
00:16:27.000 You know, I'm writing songs and recording, but it's come back.
00:16:32.000 You know, I've actually been working with healing.
00:16:36.000 A guy that works for me just revealed to me this year that he can heal with his hands.
00:16:43.000 So I do that and I do acupuncture and, you know, I meditate a little bit.
00:16:48.000 And I work until, you know, it goes away.
00:16:53.000 If I don't play for a few days, I can go into kind of a Almost like semi-paralytic state of being, so I have to keep going.
00:17:02.000 And we just did a tour, and it was fantastic.
00:17:05.000 I played in Texas, where there were really no restrictions, and they loved it.
00:17:14.000 We got flack from the Stone because we played in Louisiana or New Orleans, where Apparently, and I noticed too that there was QR stuff everywhere and distancing and masks.
00:17:29.000 But the agreement was, you know, I will play anywhere as long as it's a non-discriminatory situation.
00:17:37.000 And I was really nervous, to be honest.
00:17:40.000 I really thought, well, the way they change the rules now, I thought by the time we got there in September, the goalposts will You know, and maybe I've got to travel all the way there, go to the hotel, sit in the hotel and wait.
00:17:57.000 Someone will call me from the gig and say, guess what?
00:18:00.000 You know, they've broken their agreement.
00:18:03.000 And then I've got to say, well, we're not going.
00:18:05.000 You know, and that's still, you know, I've got that next year too.
00:18:10.000 I face that predicament because they're declaring that the passport in the UK will be mandatory on the 22nd of December.
00:18:19.000 And they did that really cleverly too, because they opened a box on the government website for people to write in and object, but they didn't tell anyone they'd done that.
00:18:29.000 So you had to be on the underground networks to know that they'd done this.
00:18:36.000 And then you fill in, I filled in my objection and put it in, and guess what?
00:18:40.000 You know, it got laughed out of the Houses of Parliament yesterday.
00:18:44.000 I think it was the 11th of, that was last week, I think, that they laughed it out.
00:18:49.000 I think you can see it on YouTube.
00:18:51.000 They didn't even debate it at the referendum.
00:18:54.000 And so there will be passports.
00:18:56.000 It's just then I don't know what I'm going to, because I have to keep my word, man.
00:19:01.000 That's all I am.
00:19:03.000 Let me ask you a fact, because when you're going against an orthodoxy like this, it's like being in a fundamentalist culture where you're saying, essentially in a theocratic culture, where people have these deeply held righteous certainty about how the world is supposed to look, and you are looking at the world completely differently and saying, wait a minute, That is mass psychosis.
00:19:33.000 It's detached from reality.
00:19:36.000 You're not answering these really basic questions that everybody ought to know if you want to impose this kind of orthodoxy on the society.
00:19:44.000 And you need some kind of, I think, spiritual dimension or life to be able to find peace inside of yourself, Trusted authorities in the society who are saying, you're wrong, you're crazy, you're dangerous, etc.
00:20:11.000 So, where do you go for that kind of peace?
00:20:15.000 I had been drinking and doing dope a lot of my life, and about 34 years ago, I got sober.
00:20:24.000 And as a result of that, I began a kind of spiritual journey, but it was...
00:20:30.000 Pretty scrappy stuff.
00:20:32.000 I mean, for me, I started going to 12-step meetings and I was introduced to the concept of spirituality as not being a religious affair or anything orthodox.
00:20:45.000 It doesn't have to be anything that anyone else has to agree with.
00:20:49.000 I can kind of imagine my own belief system, my own God.
00:20:53.000 And because I was raised, you know, in a poor family, in a poor little village where we all went to I had a fairly pleasant religious upbringing.
00:21:06.000 It wasn't stringent.
00:21:08.000 I didn't go every Sunday.
00:21:10.000 I like aspects of it.
00:21:12.000 I like the teachings of Christ.
00:21:14.000 I like the Bible.
00:21:16.000 And I prayed.
00:21:17.000 And I think, you know, all through my drinking, I prayed.
00:21:21.000 Dear God, I'll never do it.
00:21:23.000 Get me out of this.
00:21:25.000 But I guess I never said thank you.
00:21:28.000 I never said thank you.
00:21:30.000 And so when I got into the program, the fellowships, you know, and I go to, and I've been, you know, I belong to most of them, really.
00:21:39.000 I've done just about everything.
00:21:41.000 I found it really easy to acknowledge that, the presence of God in my life.
00:21:46.000 And in fact, in treatment, for the second time and the last time, I knew, for instance, I knew I was going to drink again.
00:21:53.000 I knew with like 10 days to go, I knew it was just, you could guarantee it.
00:21:59.000 I was going to go out and I was going to get drunk.
00:22:01.000 So I got on my knees and I asked the room, To help me.
00:22:06.000 And something clicked.
00:22:07.000 And it's like, there's a thing, the book called The Big Book.
00:22:10.000 I shouldn't really be talking about, but I do share this from time to time.
00:22:13.000 And Bill Wilson, the founder, had what he called a spiritual experience where...
00:22:20.000 Maybe you even know, I'm sure you probably do know about this, where there was a flash of light and it was like a great awakening for him.
00:22:28.000 And I didn't have that, but I did experience that same day something called happiness, which had been absent from my life for many years.
00:22:37.000 And I didn't know what it was.
00:22:39.000 I found it hard to, I knew something was happening that was really kind of joyful.
00:22:44.000 And I had been relieved of this thing.
00:22:47.000 So I just carried on doing it, and that's what I do.
00:22:51.000 And so that's given me, over the years, it's given me a lot more confidence in what I hear in myself.
00:22:58.000 So I will ask questions, and sometimes I think, oh, that's you answering that question.
00:23:04.000 Don't kid yourself.
00:23:05.000 That's not God.
00:23:06.000 That's you.
00:23:06.000 So I've come to kind of understand when I'm getting instructions.
00:23:12.000 Or when I'm being answered.
00:23:13.000 So I ask for help a lot.
00:23:15.000 That's what I learned from being a member of a 12-step program is I ask for help all the time.
00:23:22.000 And then before we began talking tonight, I just asked the same thing is like, help me to say, help me to be true, help me to be honest, you know, help me to be To help other people.
00:23:34.000 And when I saw Brexit coming down the road and the connivance that was going on for the success of that, I thought these guys are just a bunch of public school boys doing this for some kind of jade.
00:23:48.000 You know, they can't be serious.
00:23:52.000 So that was the sort of prelude to COVID for me, was watching the engineering that went on.
00:23:59.000 In order for them to pull the heist.
00:24:02.000 You know, it was a heist.
00:24:03.000 And the Queen got, you know, everybody got used in that affair. 0.96
00:24:08.000 And I thought, by the time the lockdowns were coming down, I thought, man, I know these, you can tell these people are lying.
00:24:16.000 It's easy.
00:24:17.000 And I can hear this voice in me that says, Don't believe this.
00:24:21.000 And I, you know, in a way, I didn't want to not believe it.
00:24:25.000 I quite enjoyed, you know, the first period of lockdown was kind of like the way we live anyway.
00:24:30.000 We didn't go out, we didn't go anywhere, we watched a lot of...
00:24:33.000 But then when it started, when they started talking about mandating things, and I think I said to my Irish doctor...
00:24:40.000 I said, Dermot, do you think, you know, when they talk, because the people from Barrington, the Declaration, they had been saying, I had followed their philosophy and their views, because it was very, very sound.
00:24:55.000 It felt sound to me.
00:24:57.000 And they were promoting vaccine towards the end of last year.
00:25:01.000 And when it arrived, I thought, well, that's what they said.
00:25:05.000 You know, I'm going to follow their teachings, as it were.
00:25:09.000 And I said to Dermot, I said, do you think this will become mandatory at some point, this vaccine?
00:25:15.000 Because what's the end game with this?
00:25:18.000 It's everyone's game.
00:25:19.000 He said, no.
00:25:20.000 You know, so everybody, I couldn't find anybody that had the same suspicion as me.
00:25:27.000 And when I did, man, I found a rabbit hole.
00:25:31.000 And I'd heard about these things on the internet.
00:25:35.000 Don't go down the rabbit.
00:25:37.000 And I found a really good one.
00:25:39.000 And that's how I first knew that you were interested in having a conversation with you.
00:25:44.000 And I thought, oh my, now, now I'm in trouble.
00:25:49.000 I'm going to tell you something.
00:25:50.000 I got sober at the same time you did.
00:25:53.000 I got sober in 84.
00:25:56.000 I had an experience when I had 14 years, right after my dad died, I started doing heroin.
00:26:05.000 And I had taken the pledge when I was a little kid, so I never even drank coffee before I was 15.
00:26:13.000 You know what happens to addiction.
00:26:16.000 It's like you're dancing with the gorilla.
00:26:19.000 It's very fun at first.
00:26:21.000 Then you realize that you only stop dancing with the gorilla and watch you do it.
00:26:26.000 I had an experience where I was in one of those situations where it was 4 o'clock in the morning and I needed an opiate.
00:26:35.000 I needed it.
00:26:37.000 I prayed.
00:26:38.000 I got down on my knees and I prayed.
00:26:40.000 I sent me You know, send me a quad, and I said, a four milligrams of quad, and I will never take drugs again.
00:26:49.000 And I went on kind of a tear, and I was taking books off the shelves, and looking, maybe I left something here, and I picked up an old antique red walnut commode, an antique toilet, which was a seat that had been made into a table, and it had a little bowl in it.
00:27:08.000 It was from 1810, and somebody had given it to me recently, and I don't know why I picked it up.
00:27:13.000 I picked it up over my head, and it was shaking, and a lot of it fell out of it.
00:27:18.000 It was what I'd been praying for five minutes before it.
00:27:21.000 I said, thanks God, I found one on my own.
00:27:25.000 No, I don't.
00:27:26.000 I don't know.
00:27:28.000 Oh, and then, you know, a year and a half after that, I got sober.
00:27:32.000 Yeah.
00:27:33.000 And I had a spiritual awakening.
00:27:37.000 Although it wasn't a light-light experience, but it happened over a couple of weeks, and my desire for drugs and alcohol was completely lifted.
00:27:44.000 And I had tried for 14 years, earnestly, sincerely, and honestly to quit.
00:27:49.000 I never wanted to be doing that.
00:27:52.000 And nothing had worked.
00:27:53.000 And now, suddenly the compulsion disappeared.
00:27:57.000 And one of the things you mentioned, Bill Wilson, is that he had that spiritual awakening And his desire for alcohol was lifted.
00:28:07.000 And then three months later, he was in Akron of Ohio, and he was putting together a deal to purchase the Firestone Tire Company, which would have set him up for life as a multimillionaire in the middle of the Great Depression.
00:28:22.000 And he had put every penny he had into that deal, and all of his energies for two years, and he got out to Akron to sign a deal, and the whole thing fell apart.
00:28:33.000 And he was standing in the hotel lobby, and he could hear the lounge where people were drinking, and he could hear the clinking of the ice, and the glasses, and the laughter, and it was calling to him to come in there.
00:28:45.000 And he had this sensual revelation, which was the only way that he was going to stay sober, is if he helped other alcoholics.
00:28:53.000 That's when he started making calls to local creatures and to the Salvation Army.
00:28:58.000 And he found Dr.
00:29:00.000 Bob.
00:29:01.000 One of the things he recognized out of that experience is that you can't live off the morals of a spiritual awakening.
00:29:08.000 You have to renew it again and again and again every day by constantly trying to do the right thing.
00:29:14.000 And if we stop doing the right thing, we lose everything.
00:29:18.000 And that kind of recognition is what's gotten me into this kind of business.
00:29:24.000 You know what's right here.
00:29:26.000 And you kind of have to do it if you want to maintain that spiritual peace.
00:29:31.000 Yeah.
00:29:32.000 That's great.
00:29:33.000 Well, I had no idea.
00:29:34.000 You kept your anonymity.
00:29:39.000 I'm not very good.
00:29:40.000 I blow it every now and then.
00:29:41.000 But the essence of it is for me that to keep it, I have to give it away.
00:29:46.000 And I've found it actually difficult to talk because it's in the meetings.
00:29:50.000 I don't go to live meetings.
00:29:52.000 I haven't been to a live meeting for a long time, for a Almost two years at least, but I do this, you know, and I think I'm sure that the Zoom thing has made it difficult for people to get involved with recovery like that.
00:30:11.000 You know, where I live, I live in L.A., and they, in the little place where I live in Brentwood in L.A., they kept the live meetings going.
00:30:21.000 So I actually, during the COVID, I've been going to nine meetings a week.
00:30:27.000 It's been amazing.
00:30:28.000 Wow, wow.
00:30:30.000 It's allowed me to stay peaceful.
00:30:33.000 For me, the essence of being in recovery is that I have to give it away.
00:30:39.000 To keep it, I have to give it away.
00:30:41.000 And there's a guy I know in LA who said to me a while ago, he's an old-timer, he said, why do you think you keep Going on the road.
00:30:51.000 Why are you always touring?
00:30:53.000 And I said, I suppose I love to play, and I love to play.
00:30:57.000 The honour of playing with great musicians too, so I can listen to great music.
00:31:02.000 No, no, no, no.
00:31:03.000 He said it's the 12th step.
00:31:05.000 The 12th step.
00:31:06.000 And for those who are watching, I go, and the boss man here, it sounds like, goes to these, I can't say it about it, but this is what I do, and there's a 12-step programme.
00:31:17.000 They're well known now, I think, but Which is, in order to keep my sobriety or keep my sanity, I have to give it away and I have to help.
00:31:27.000 Everything I do has to have that basis to it.
00:31:31.000 So for me, the purpose of talking about my experience with The vaccine was it so that someone in a room somewhere who was suffering side effects knew that he wasn't the only one.
00:31:43.000 Because in England, nobody knows.
00:31:46.000 If you talk to somebody about the yellow card system, which is, you know, the reportage of side effects, most people don't even know it exists.
00:31:55.000 It's got to be clear.
00:31:56.000 It's criminal, you know, that it's been withheld.
00:31:59.000 And so most people don't even...
00:32:01.000 I've spoken to people off the cuff and just said, did you have any after effects from that particular experiment?
00:32:08.000 And they go, yeah.
00:32:09.000 And I think, well, why didn't you tell your MD? Oh, I didn't know.
00:32:13.000 I didn't want to bother him.
00:32:14.000 You know, I don't want to bother the doctors here.
00:32:17.000 It's crazy.
00:32:19.000 I feel that's my calling now as much as anything else is to just stick my neck out and say, well, it happened to me and if it happened to you, then you should tell someone.
00:32:30.000 I'm talking to you about this and it's ridiculous because the lengths you go to to make sure people are aware is unbelievable.
00:32:39.000 Hats off to you, Robert, really.
00:32:41.000 Well, you too, Eric.
00:32:43.000 Let me just ask you one other thing because we've gone on a thing longer than either of us.
00:32:47.000 And David, although it's pure pleasure for me to listen to you talk, you know, rock and roll started as a protest movement.
00:32:57.000 It's part of the DNA of rock and roll, but you're seeing a lot of hip-hop artists come out, which I think is encouraging, but it's kind of weird how rock and roll has essentially just embraced this orthodoxy There's some film in it.
00:33:16.000 We were talking about Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis and those guys.
00:33:21.000 I'm pretty sure George would have been one of the crew too.
00:33:27.000 But rock and roll got watered down a long time ago.
00:33:30.000 The hardcore people.
00:33:31.000 It was about being a rebel.
00:33:34.000 Definitely in the old days.
00:33:37.000 And it's not now.
00:33:38.000 It's much more to do with conformity, I think.
00:33:42.000 How long does your thing go?
00:33:44.000 Because I could talk to you all night.
00:33:46.000 I love it.
00:33:47.000 Let me just ask you about one other kind of personal thing.
00:33:51.000 I know you went out with one of the Lord Harlick's daughters, I think with Alice.
00:33:56.000 Or had some kind of relationship with them.
00:33:59.000 But those kids grew up with me in Washington.
00:34:03.000 David Ormsby Gore grew up with my Uncle Jack in England when my grandfather was the ambassador.
00:34:12.000 He and my Uncle Joe were both in the war, both in the air reconnaissance.
00:34:18.000 My Uncle Joe was killed.
00:34:20.000 Lord Harlow, David Ormsby Gore I remained very, very close to my family.
00:34:26.000 My Aunt Jackie almost married him when Jack died.
00:34:30.000 But I went up.
00:34:32.000 So Francis, who is, I think, Alice's older brother, was my age exactly.
00:34:41.000 Lord Harlick, during the Kennedy administration, was the British bachelor to watch him.
00:34:48.000 He was kind of one of the closest friends, personal friends, and trusted advisors that my uncle had, and really helped him solve the Berlin crisis of 1962.
00:34:59.000 He became a liaison with Khrushchev, between my uncle and Khrushchev, and also during the Cuban Missile Crisis, he played a key role of bringing Harold Killen, was the British prime minister, kind of Bringing his point of view, and he was very much aligned with Jack that we had to keep the world out of war.
00:35:18.000 But anyway, I went up at one point, I went to the London School of Economics for a year, and I went up to Oswood Street in Shropshire on the Welsh border, and I was amazed about how different the Welsh people were from the Brits,
00:35:37.000 and just how unique culture that was, and seeing the gypsies, I remember I was on their front porch one day in Shropshire, and some gypsies, I think they were Irish gypsies, came by in one of those wooden caravans with the horses pulling on them and came up to that front porch, and he had a pitchfork that was carved out of wood.
00:35:59.000 The entire pitchfork was very beautiful, like a work of art.
00:36:03.000 It was an old-style pitchfork, and that gypsy just wanted that horse than anything. 1.00
00:36:09.000 He had a couple of magpies.
00:36:11.000 In a cage on the end of that.
00:36:13.000 I just was so taken by that whole experience of being out there.
00:36:20.000 Well, I see Jane.
00:36:22.000 I see Jane a lot.
00:36:24.000 Jane and I, we go back a long way.
00:36:26.000 And she's, Jane and Victoria are the only ones left, I think.
00:36:30.000 Because Francis died a while ago, and he was, I adored him.
00:36:36.000 Well, I adored them all.
00:36:37.000 And, you know, I adored Alice too.
00:36:39.000 But the dad, David, was a fantastic man.
00:36:43.000 And I think he was a rock and roll fan, too.
00:36:46.000 He was a big fan.
00:36:48.000 And Benny Goodman.
00:36:49.000 He loved Benny Goodman, most of all.
00:36:51.000 Because I think when he was in Washington, he would go and see those guys play.
00:36:55.000 I think they were pals, you know.
00:36:58.000 I hadn't thought of that, of course.
00:37:00.000 Yeah, the connection, of course.
00:37:03.000 Also, I went out with one of Anthony Fraser's daughters for a while.
00:37:09.000 Yeah.
00:37:10.000 And Harold Pinter was her boyfriend at that time, so I ended up spending a lot of time with him.
00:37:16.000 With Pinter, too.
00:37:18.000 Oh, with Pinter, yeah.
00:37:19.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:37:21.000 I almost know by heart one of his plays called The Caretaker.
00:37:26.000 You know The Caretaker?
00:37:27.000 No.
00:37:28.000 They made a great film about The Caretaker with Donald Pleasance and Robert Shaw, Alan Bates.
00:37:35.000 Absolutely brilliant, Phil.
00:37:37.000 Brilliant.
00:37:38.000 What are we going to do?
00:37:39.000 What are we doing now?
00:37:41.000 How long does this thing go on with?
00:37:45.000 I don't know.
00:37:45.000 You know, the interesting thing to me is that people from my political party, the Democratic Party, in our country are the major promoters of this.
00:37:56.000 And we have essentially abolished the Bill of Rights in our country.
00:38:01.000 We no longer have freedom of speech.
00:38:03.000 Yeah.
00:38:03.000 And it's the Democrats who are saying, we've got to stop these people from talking.
00:38:09.000 If you think about that, what it really means is that they've lost faith in democracy because they believe that you can't trust the public with dangerous ideas.
00:38:21.000 Of course, everybody knows that when you start censoring speech, you're on your way to totalitarian government.
00:38:31.000 We all have these lessons that we learned as children, and somehow, you know, my party forgot about it.
00:38:38.000 I was talking to a psychiatrist actually this morning, who's a good friend of mine.
00:38:43.000 He's a social psychiatrist, a brilliant, brilliant man.
00:38:46.000 And I said, how do you change a mass psychosis when you have a whole bunch of people who are subscribed to an orthodoxy that's completely irrational and, you know, clearly driven by fear?
00:39:01.000 But they all have a moral certainty that allows them to shut off any incoming information.
00:39:08.000 So they're not getting anything from the outside.
00:39:11.000 Everything is coming from circular inside of their heads.
00:39:15.000 And I said, how do you do that?
00:39:17.000 And he said, well, there's a formula for it.
00:39:19.000 You have to use the Socratic method. 0.53
00:39:21.000 You can't persuade them.
00:39:24.000 You cannot go to them and say, you have to listen to me.
00:39:29.000 You have to ask them questions.
00:39:31.000 And say, you know, how does this work?
00:39:35.000 Should we be vaccinating children?
00:39:38.000 Is it permissible to vaccinate a child and put them at risk in order to save an adult life?
00:39:46.000 Do you think that we know we can make a risk assessment of vaccines when nobody's turning in their yellow cards, nobody's reporting injuries?
00:39:55.000 Do you think it's okay to stop people from Reporting injuries.
00:40:00.000 And what he said to me is it's the only way to get rid of, to challenge people who are completely fortified by moral certainty.
00:40:09.000 You can only do it through the Socratic method.
00:40:12.000 You have to ask the question.
00:40:13.000 So anyway, it was a curious thing for me about, you know, whether this thing, how does it end?
00:40:19.000 Have you seen this guy called Matthias Desmet?
00:40:23.000 No.
00:40:24.000 Can I send you this guy?
00:40:27.000 I'll send you a link because he's come up with something called mass formation, which is where it's the same.
00:40:34.000 It's a method and it's a technique where you separate everybody and then you take away They're fundamental beliefs and security and you frighten them.
00:40:44.000 And then you get them all back together again, concentrating on one image, which is the virus.
00:40:51.000 So I would find that, you know, up until even recently, people were still talking about the virus.
00:40:58.000 As if it was the main thing, not about the government or the way it's been handled, but the virus, that's still the major threat.
00:41:07.000 And so what they did was, the people at SAGE, we all know, you know, they came up with this model, and it was based on that.
00:41:15.000 You get everyone to isolate, and then you attack them.
00:41:19.000 With fear.
00:41:20.000 And they're not allowed to talk about it to anybody.
00:41:23.000 And then you replace their sensibility with a focal point.
00:41:27.000 I mean, I'm doing a very bad job of explaining it.
00:41:30.000 You explained it really well.
00:41:32.000 And, you know, I have a chapter in my book called Germ Games.
00:41:35.000 The book comes out next week.
00:41:36.000 I'm going to send it to you on Monday.
00:41:38.000 I bought the book.
00:41:39.000 I bought your book.
00:41:40.000 One of the things I learned, if you looked, there was an event called Event 201.
00:41:44.000 It was put on by Bill Gates in New York with it.
00:41:48.000 Afua Haynes, the deputy director of the CIA, now the head of a national security agency under Biden, and they were drilling a pandemic, a coronavirus pandemic, this is in October of 2019.
00:42:02.000 The real pandemic's actually circulating, nobody knows, and it began circulating September 12th.
00:42:08.000 In October, perhaps they're doing a tabletop Exercise simulating a pandemic and how they can handle it.
00:42:17.000 And they're not drilling how do you keep people healthy?
00:42:21.000 How do you get them vitamin D? How do you get them zinc?
00:42:24.000 How do you get them to exercise, to lose weight, to stop drinking sugar drinks and all this?
00:42:29.000 It's all about how do you use this pandemic opportunity to militarize and monetize the response.
00:42:36.000 And what I found out in researching my book is that that was not just this one-on event.
00:42:42.000 They had been doing that year after year after year since 2000.
00:42:46.000 And they had involved hundreds of thousands of people in these practices, including frontline workers all over our country, all over Europe, all over Canada, so that you had this whole system that was primed to use the next pandemic to impose totalitarian controls.
00:43:04.000 And they all drilled, how do you stop people from talking?
00:43:08.000 How do you end free speech?
00:43:09.000 How do you give mandatory vaccinations?
00:43:11.000 How do you impose masks and lockdowns?
00:43:14.000 All of these.
00:43:15.000 Drilling it again and again and again.
00:43:17.000 And the people who participated in those drills were essentially being indoctrinated into the idea that this is how you handle a pandemic.
00:43:26.000 And in each one of these simulations, they involve a very famous person like Madeleine Albright or Sam Nunn or, you know, Bill Gates or people that everybody knew.
00:43:38.000 So it kind of anointed the whole thing with gravitas and legitimacy.
00:43:42.000 But here's the thing.
00:43:44.000 All of the techniques that use, and this goes back to what you're saying, are techniques that were developed by the CIA. And the CIA was involved in every single one of these pandemics.
00:43:54.000 They wrote the scripts for them.
00:43:56.000 And the CIA I've written a lot about the CIA. It was their long involvement in my family.
00:44:03.000 My family had a 60-year fist fight for the CIA. I've written a lot about it.
00:44:08.000 I've read all their manuals.
00:44:10.000 And they had, particularly in the 60s and 70s, 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, they were researching very intensively ways to control individuals and to do mass control over all societies.
00:44:24.000 And the essential plan, and this goes back to what you said, Is how do you take over an indigenous society? 1.00
00:44:31.000 How do you impose control from outside?
00:44:34.000 And here's what you do.
00:44:35.000 You destroy their economic system.
00:44:38.000 You destroy their trust in institutions.
00:44:40.000 You polarize the society and turn individuals against each other.
00:44:45.000 You make them mistrust in everything.
00:44:49.000 You fill the media with propaganda so nobody can distinguish lies from truth.
00:44:54.000 You give them different narratives that are all clashing and so total confusion.
00:44:59.000 And then when everybody's in chaos and you use fear to make everybody scared that somebody outside is going to hurt them, then you come in and you impose centralized control from outside on that chaos.
00:45:13.000 One of the...
00:45:14.000 The CIA was funding all of these experiments in a program called MK Alternative.
00:45:20.000 And it was also a whole lot of great and hard of joking.
00:45:23.000 They were using psychoactive drugs like LSD. They were using physical torture.
00:45:28.000 They made a huge use of isolation, which was the most potent form of psychological control.
00:45:35.000 They were using propaganda.
00:45:37.000 They were testing all these methods.
00:45:38.000 They were telling us to do something that's against our conscience, which is to dismantle the Constitution, dismantle rights, bully people, vilify people like you, silence Discussion.
00:45:51.000 And we do, and 67% of people will do it, they're told.
00:45:56.000 And then there's 33% that won't.
00:45:58.000 And those are the people who are, you know, you're getting messages from now.
00:46:03.000 Those 33% are with you.
00:46:06.000 The funny thing is, I have to take that first step myself by turning, making, not turning the TV on.
00:46:14.000 Because if I was to turn the TV on to one of their press conferences, and Chris really was Or Patrick Vallance or whatever his name is, was giving, making an announcement.
00:46:23.000 I would probably think, well mate, just give, just see.
00:46:28.000 You know, give them, give them a little bit of credit.
00:46:31.000 I have got, I'm human enough to be able to be sucked in.
00:46:35.000 I can be sucked in.
00:46:36.000 I'm an addict too, you know.
00:46:37.000 So I have to just, it's like, and the next one, the big one now is the smartphone.
00:46:43.000 Because I use that to communicate with like-minded people, to get support, advice, predictions.
00:46:50.000 And at the same time, that's where it's all going to end up.
00:46:54.000 And I have got three pieces of paper that I carry with me all the time saying, this man cannot have the vaccine.
00:47:02.000 And it's got nothing to do with the choice.
00:47:05.000 I am allergic.
00:47:07.000 To COVID vaccine.
00:47:08.000 If I have a booster shot, I don't know what will happen to me.
00:47:12.000 And I'm not willing to take the risk.
00:47:14.000 It could be really drastic.
00:47:16.000 So that is in writing from three professors.
00:47:20.000 I've met a neurologist, a lung doctor, and my own doctor.
00:47:24.000 And I know that that will run out pretty soon.
00:47:27.000 That paper won't have any value.
00:47:30.000 If it's not in an app, it won't count.
00:47:33.000 You know, I'm kind of counting down now to where am I going to end up when they take my freedom away?
00:47:39.000 I've got to be somewhere.
00:47:42.000 Somewhere where you're going to stay forever.
00:47:46.000 Somewhere where you can stay forever.
00:47:48.000 Like Hawaii or something.
00:47:50.000 Well, I think I might be here.
00:47:51.000 I'm in France and these people are pretty, they're not moving.
00:47:57.000 And the Italians are pretty staunch too.
00:48:00.000 They're pushing back.
00:48:01.000 They've taken over the ports and I think here it's going to be tough.
00:48:06.000 But the UK is feeling that it's a depressed country now.
00:48:11.000 It's really depressed and headed for another lockdown, I think.
00:48:15.000 Eric, I know it's your bedtime.
00:48:20.000 This has been great.
00:48:21.000 I really enjoyed it.
00:48:23.000 I'm going to send you the thing by this German, he's a clinical psychologist who studied that behavioral thing with mass formation.
00:48:33.000 You would love it.
00:48:34.000 Eric, thank you very much.
00:48:35.000 I'm going to send you my book on Monday, so you're going to have an early copy, and I hope this is the first of many discussions.
00:48:42.000 Yeah, I look forward to it.
00:48:44.000 May I stay in touch?
00:48:46.000 Oh, please.
00:48:48.000 Thank you.
00:48:50.000 Thank you, Robert.
00:48:51.000 God bless.
00:48:52.000 You too.