Dr. Asim Malhotra was one of the first to take two doses of the COVID-19 vaccine and promote it on Good Morning Britain. He is a cardiologist, an honorary council member of the Metabolic Psychiatry Clinic at Stanford University School of Medicine in California, and a cardiology MSC examiner at the University of Hertfordshire in the UK. In this episode, he talks about his journey to becoming an outspoken advocate for evidence-based medicine, the dangers of COVID19, and why we need to have a conversation about informed consent. He also talks about the root cause of chronic disease, and how we can tackle the problem of chronic illness in the 21st century, which is over-prescription and over-consumption of sugary sweeteners and other sweeteners, and the role of the sugar industry in fuelling the global obesity crisis. This episode is brought to you by Cardiology Today, a podcast produced by the Royal Society for the Advancement of Cardiology, a leading cardiology and cardiology research centre in the United Kingdom. Visit here to get your free copy of the new book, "Vaccine: The New Evidence-Based Medicine: The Case for a Better Life" and to get a discount on your first pack of the CoVID19 vaccine. Click here to buy your own copy of this book here. The book is now available in Kindle, iBook, Paperback, Hardcover and Hardcover, and is available for pre-order on amazon, so you can read it on any platform you choose. Kindle, or download it on the Kindle, Audible, Podcoin, or any other platform where you can access it anywhere else you get a copy for free, including Audible and Audible.com. You get 20% off the course of course, and Kindle Fire HDX, AUS$19.99, and all Audible Provenza Pro, Aptiv Pro, RRP, and Bespresso Pro, and any other good podcasting platform you paypal access, and they'll get 10% off your first book recommendation, too! You'll get access to the book and paperback edition of the book is also get the book for free and Kindle Pro, too. $99, plus a lifetime of course you'll get an ebook, and I'll be getting a copy of The Lancet Journal, too, free of course they'll have access to all the book, too?
00:00:00.000It's a huge privilege that we have today that my guest is Dr.
00:00:04.000Asim Malhotra, who is an NHS-trained consultant cardiologist at the National Health Service in England.
00:00:12.000He's an honorary council member to the Metabolic Psychiatry Clinic of Stanford University School of Medicine in California.
00:00:19.000He is a cardiology MSC examiner at the University of Hertfordshire in the UK. He is one of the best known and eminent cardiologists in Great Britain, and he was one of the first to take two doses of the vaccine, of the COVID-19 vaccine, and promote it on Good Morning Britain.
00:00:42.000Last month, he published an article, he's one of the authors of an article, published a two-part research paper published in the Eminent Journal of Insulin Resistance, And it's called Curing the Pandemic of Misinformation on COVID-19 MRMA Vaccines through Real Evidence-Based Medicine.
00:01:04.000Malhotra has devoted his life and has become one of the preeminent experts on evidence-based medicine and outspoken experts.
00:01:14.000And what he concludes in this paper Is that the real-world data reveal that in non-elderly populations, the number needed to vaccinate to prevent a single death from COVID-19 runs into the thousands, and that a reanalysis of randomized controlled trial data from the initial vaccine clinical trial suggests a greater risk of suffering serious adverse events from the vaccines.
00:01:41.000Then to be hospitalized with COVID-19.
00:01:44.000And your willingness, your courageous willingness to be outspoken on that subject and publish that, I mean, you must have known that was going to be like a career killer for you.
00:01:54.000And I know you've done amazing stuff in the past.
00:01:58.000Going up against the sugar industry and against statins.
00:02:02.000I think you got very, very famous for talking about the need for evidence-based medicine on statins.
00:02:33.000I've acted from that place when it comes to any kind of advocacy work when it comes to medicine throughout my whole career and certainly over the last decade.
00:02:41.000And once I had had a realization of what was really going on with the vaccine, the COVID vaccine in particular, and the strength of the evidence and the fact that it was overwhelming in terms of being able to give a very good estimate of the serious adverse events, And realizing this was unprecedented, I then went down a track to really try and critically appraise the data so that we could give information through the paper in the best possible way we can right now.
00:03:07.000And I'm sure things will evolve and be maybe more definitive with time.
00:03:11.000But to start having a conversation about informed consent, because you mentioned evidence-based medicine.
00:03:19.000For me, evidence-based medicine follows a very simple, elegant, analytical framework for teaching and practicing medicine, and that is a doctor uses or a healthcare practitioner use their individual clinical expertise and experience, clinical intuition as well, the best available evidence, and then last but not least, Robert, which is the most important, is taking into consideration patient preferences and values.
00:03:44.000And of course, you can't take that into consideration unless you've given patients information in a way that they can understand.
00:03:51.000Now, the problem even before the COVID vaccines, briefly, is that the best available evidence over the last two decades, unfortunately, as you know very well, Robert, has been corrupted by commercial influence.
00:04:02.000So what happens ultimately in the consultation room, in looking at the big picture, is that doctors are making clinical decisions on biased information.
00:04:11.000And it doesn't, again, take a rocket scientist to work out that if that's happening, you're not going to get...
00:04:16.000Either you're not going to get the best outcomes for your patients or, at worst, do them harm.
00:04:20.000And this is actually the root cause, in my view, of our healthcare crisis.
00:04:23.000You look in the UK and the US, certainly in the UK, the last 10 years, life expectancy has stalled.
00:04:28.000We've got more and more people living with chronic disease.
00:04:34.000You know, what is the net effect of the medical industrial complex, if you like, on society?
00:04:40.000And because we have not tackled the root cause of the problem, which is essentially these very big, powerful corporations, big pharma, who are there as money-making machines and therefore give us unreliable or corrupted information, unless we tackle that at the root, this problem will continue.
00:04:54.000So I already had a background understanding that before the vaccine came into the equation, Robert.
00:04:59.000People may ask me, so hold on, Asim, you've been one of the biggest critics, outspoken critics of the pharmaceutical industry for the last 10 years.
00:05:05.000Certainly as a clinical doctor in the world, I've been one of the most outspoken.
00:05:08.000I've taken my case to the European Parliament in 2018.
00:05:11.000So how did you get deceived, if you like, with hindsight on the vaccine?
00:05:16.000How did you get into a position where you were tackling the vaccine hesitancy in Good Morning Britain?
00:05:21.000And the reason for that, Robert, is up until this situation arose, I couldn't even conceive that of the possibility of a vaccine doing any kind of harm whatsoever.
00:05:32.000And I know, of course, there are many people, and there is a big movement, certainly, around concerns about other traditional vaccines, but even if there is some element of harm, and no vaccine or drug is completely safe, If you compare traditional vaccines with all the other drugs we prescribe, Robert, whether it's blood pressure pills or statin drugs or diabetes drugs, they are still far safer than those drugs.
00:05:56.000So I couldn't conceive it of being a problem.
00:05:58.000I was a little bit unsure about the efficacy.
00:06:00.000And then obviously in January 2021, we didn't have the information.
00:06:04.000Certainly in terms of the high quality evidence we have now, we didn't have that.
00:06:07.000And therefore, when I went on Good Morning Britain to tackle vaccine hesitancy, I didn't go and point fingers at people and saying unvaccinated are...
00:06:16.000I actually said, listen, there are rational reasons for people not taking the vaccine, and there are some irrational reasons.
00:06:22.000And some of the irrational reasons, of course, I felt were things like people saying it was part of a depopulation agenda, there are microchips in the vaccine, all that kind of stuff.
00:06:29.000But the rational concerns I address, and I said, listen, look at the history of what pharma have done over the last 10 to 20 years, the fraud they've committed.
00:06:37.000These are industries that are there to make money, and we know that, for example, prescribed medications are the third most common cause of death after heart disease and cancer.
00:06:44.000So I said, I understand the rational concerns, but even despite that, I say vaccines are still, as far as I'm concerned, one of the safest pharmacological interventions in the history of medicine.
00:06:54.000And then over time, I think the thing for me that was probably the trigger, or certainly in hindsight the trigger, was my father, who was a very eminent doctor in the UK, considered one of the most prolific advocates for the National Health Service.
00:07:09.000He was a retired general practitioner.
00:07:14.000The Labour Party National Doctor of the Year, which is equivalent of what you say the Democrats in the US. He was named that for all his work as being an NHS advocate.
00:07:23.000He suffered an unexplained sudden cardiac death in July, and he was a very fit guy and used cardiac history inside and out.
00:07:30.000Everybody was shocked in the community about it because he was considered amongst his peers, you know, of his age, one of the fittest guys.
00:07:37.000And I organized a post-mortem and his post-mortem was shocking.
00:07:40.000He had two critical stenosis in his arteries, two survey blockages.
00:07:46.000I thought the only thing that I thought could be a possibility is that was he as a widow, you know, he lost, we lost my mom just two years earlier.
00:07:54.000Was the effect of that causing to have rapidly progressive heart disease?
00:08:02.000He was going on TV as a vice president of the BMA. So he didn't fit also with somebody that being a social recluse or had become severely lonely.
00:08:10.000And of course, I was there and we were very, very close.
00:08:14.000And then several bits of data a few months later emerged, Robert, which basically is suggested, and people can read my paper, I won't bore you with all the details, but they can read the paper because the references are there, suggested that the mRNA vaccines in particular, there was a mechanism that they could potentially accelerate heart disease.
00:08:32.000Now, if that is true, and I believe it to be true now, then of course that's going to cause a surge in heart attacks, it's going to cause an increase in out-of-hospital cardiac arrests, Certainly in the UK, in 2021, we have 14,000 extra out-of-hospital cardiac arrests, which are unexplained.
00:08:47.000Israel did some very interesting, useful analyses published in Nature Reports, and this is very disturbing.
00:08:52.000They found in 16 to 39-year-olds, There was a 25% increase in cardiac arrests and heart attacks related, associated with the COVID mRNA vaccines, but not associated with COVID. So for me, there were so many data points that were painting a picture.
00:09:11.000And I think then finally, Robert, the icing on the cake for me Was the re-analysis of Pfizer's original trial, looking at new information that emerged from the FDA's website and Health Canada's website, carried out by some of the most eminent respected scientists in the world, Robert Kaplan from Stanford, Peter Doshi, associate editor of the BMJ, Joseph Freeman, who's the lead author who I know and have spoken to.
00:09:34.000And what they found from the original trial, which is the gold standard of evidence, where you correct for confounding factors, one was more likely to suffer a serious adverse event from the vaccine, Than they were to be hospitalized with COVID. And that was during the original Wuhan strain.
00:09:49.000And that figure roughly was about 1 in 800.
00:09:52.000I've looked at data around the world, you know, current of your VAERS in the US and yellow card system here.
00:09:58.000Norway has probably been the most robust in terms of Being quite transparent in documenting with doctors what they felt was a serious adverse event from the vaccine.
00:10:07.000So these are things that are life-changing, resulting in hospitalization, heart attacks, strokes, etc.
00:10:12.000And they came up with a figure after two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, it was one in 926, which is very similar to the data from the RCT. So for me, Robert, it's a no-brainer.
00:10:24.000We have a good estimate of what the harms are, at least to that figure of one in 800.
00:10:29.000We have the WHO endorsing a list before even the vaccine was rolled out of potential serious adverse events that could happen from this vaccine based upon four bits of information.
00:10:42.000Two, the technology that was being used.
00:10:44.000Three, other harms from other vaccines.
00:10:47.000And for COVID itself, severe COVID itself.
00:10:49.000And they actually made a list, which I've actually put in my paper, which people can look at.
00:10:53.000And if you look at that list, it's exactly what we are seeing in the community and clinical practice.
00:10:59.000The problem is many doctors aren't going to diagnose it because many of them, like me, 18 months ago, It can still not conceive that a vaccine can do this level of harm.
00:11:09.000And that's really what we need to overcome.
00:11:10.000And what I try to do with that paper is to open people's minds up by saying, listen, I had the vaccine.
00:11:18.000The information I had to go on at the time was limited.
00:11:21.000The information now is unequivocal and we need to do something about it and we need to suspend it for everybody until this data is properly investigated.
00:11:28.000One of the problems, I think, is that it's not just kind of a circumstantial ignorance among doctors, but it's an orchestrated ignorance where doctors who do talk about it are punished, and they're ostracized, and in our country, they're de-licensed.
00:11:45.000We just passed a law and Governor Newsom signed it into law here in California that makes it illegal.
00:11:52.000That outlaws second opinions, essentially.
00:11:55.000It outlaws doctors from talking, from saying bad things about vaccines or about any differing publicly or to their patients about from the, you know, departing from the CDC orthodoxies and The problem with that is that you have,
00:12:16.000first of all, it obliterates the relationship that you talk about, the traditional relationship that has existed since Hippocrates, where a doctor's responsibility is to treat their patient.
00:12:30.000And now the doctor's responsibility, in California at least, is to act as an agent for government policies and to treat their patients for the greater good, and not particularly that patient.
00:12:44.000That's a very, very slippery slope, as we've seen throughout totalitarian regimes.
00:12:49.000When doctors are treating patients for the greater good, It ends up in a bad place.
00:12:55.000The problem is that, you know, and I think one of the reasons that people don't understand a vaccine injury is doctors are taught it doesn't exist.
00:13:04.000If you see, for example, There were all these injuries and chronic disease that we saw amplify in this country beginning in 1989.
00:13:26.000And why do five of my seven kids have allergies?
00:13:30.000Asthma exploded, rheumatoid arthritis, juvenile diabetes, all these autoimmune disease, neurodevelopmental disease, ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics, narcolepsy.
00:13:42.000A pediatrician was giving these vaccines to children, and then four years later, the kid comes back with food allergies, where autism is not making those connections.
00:13:52.000And they're discouraged from making them.
00:13:55.000They're discouraged from reporting them.
00:13:57.000And that is the problem, is that what doctors need to be able to practice medicine and practice healing and to say things that differ from the consensual orthodoxies.
00:14:10.000I think you raised the point that's really important around the only way to progress is actually through open, honest, transparent debate.
00:14:19.000And certainly with the COVID vaccines, this is a symptom of a much bigger problem.
00:14:22.000You talk about the government sort of dictating what doctors can do.
00:14:26.000I would say that going even further to the root of this problem isn't so much about government, it's about failed government.
00:14:32.000And the reason they're failing is because they've been captured by Corporate entities who are money-making machines legally, you know that more than anyone, Robert, that they are there legally designed to produce profit for shareholders, not to give you the best treatment.
00:14:47.000And in the process, in the way that they function, they are not human.
00:14:53.000And to quote even one of the most eminent forensic psychologists in his field on psychopathy, Robert Hare, Dr.
00:14:59.000Robert Hare, He actually says that the way that the institution that is the big corporation functions is essentially very similar to psychopathic behavior, deliberate deception in order to make money, callous disregard for the safety of other people.
00:15:15.000And we have lots of evidence for that.
00:15:17.000Now, the problem we've got, and this is my, and I'd love to debate this with you, we have increasing unchecked power of these corporations over time.
00:15:25.000So conceptually, you know, if you see, for example, I would say maybe with the best intentions, this is the end result of unchecked power, which was started because of neoliberal economic policies by Margaret Thatcher in this country and Ronald Reagan, and they may well have been best intention, but the machine is now out of control and it's and they may well have been best intention, but the machine is now out Tremendous harm.
00:15:45.000The overall effect of the drug industry on society in the last few decades has been a negative one.
00:15:50.000If you look at Marcia Angel, the former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, the highest impact medical journal in the world, her own analysis reveals that of the 667 drugs approved by the FDA, In the first decade of this century, 2000, 2010, for example, only 11% were truly innovative, Robert.
00:16:11.000So we've got essentially this corporate machine that is doing things that are anti-human, are suppressing free speech, and in my view, and I've said this before, and I say this for the food industry as well, they are enemies of democracy.
00:16:24.000So what we're really fighting for here is real democracy.
00:16:28.000Nobody in their right mind, I speak to patients or members of the public, and I say, Do you know that the regulator who is approving drugs get most of their funding from the drug industry?
00:16:38.000So what we've got is unjust, undemocratic, unethical laws that is perpetuating this problem.
00:16:44.000And therefore, through dissemination of information, through citizen power, we need to change those laws.
00:16:49.000And I wanted to ask you a question, Robert, as well, if you don't mind.
00:16:52.000I followed through documentaries and reading, I followed both President John F. Kennedy and your father's work, and I found the kind of work he did extremely admirable.
00:17:00.000One of the things he said was that, talking about poverty in the United States or social inequalities, he says, we need laws to remedy these injustices.
00:17:10.000I wonder, I was going to ask you, what would your father think of this situation?
00:17:15.000But then I thought I'd answer it myself, maybe.
00:17:17.000I don't even think the situation would have arisen.
00:17:19.000Because I think if your father had become president and hadn't been tragically killed, I don't think these corporations would have had the power they have now.
00:17:27.000I'm just curious to what you, if you don't mind me asking you, Robert, on that, what you think.
00:17:31.000Well, you know, I never speak for my father, my uncle.
00:17:34.000I've got a big family, and nobody wants to hear from my family what other people think.
00:17:40.000And a lot of them, you know, my family differs from me, in my opinions, about this particular issue.
00:17:46.000But, you know, I would say I love what you said about the corporate subversion of these democratic institutions.
00:17:55.000And corporations are immoral organisms.
00:18:00.000We created them as such, and that's how they function.
00:18:05.000You know, in the United States, it's actually illegal for a company to do something that's truly philanthropic.
00:18:14.000When you see Walmart sending cases of water down to the victims of Hurricane Ian, they're not doing that to be good people.
00:18:26.000They're doing that because they believe the public act will accrue in some financial way to shareholder value over the long run.
00:18:36.000And if they are doing it just to be a philanthropy, any of their shareholders can sue them We're wasting corporate assets and they will win that lawsuit.
00:18:48.000So the company legally is not allowed to do anything good.
00:18:56.000They always have to have an ulterior motive.
00:18:59.000We created them that way and it's not a bad thing because we create these companies in order to put together large amounts of wealth and then spend the money in things that will generate and amplify our economy.
00:19:13.000But we have to understand that that is an immoral organism, and we need laws in place to make sure that they behave.
00:19:25.000We have to make sure that they cannot influence.
00:19:28.000Listen, if one of these companies gives money to a politician, They're not doing that to be a good guy.
00:19:34.000They're not doing it for patriotic reasons.
00:19:37.000They're doing it because they think that they can corrupt that person to skew some federal benefit their way.
00:19:45.000So we need to create these mechanisms.
00:19:48.000And I would say the first thing is to prohibit them, go back to the old rules, prohibited corporations from funding our politicians because that, and as you point out, during the Reagan years, Through best intentions, people believe that these regulatory structures needed to be public-private partnerships instead of a regulatory institution that is protecting The public interest as a whole,
00:20:14.000that the regulatory agencies should be looked at as, you know, the protector of that industry.
00:20:20.000And what we have is this regulatory capture where the regulated industry becomes really a sock puppet and an enabler, the industry it's supposed to regulate.
00:20:30.000And as you point out, FDA, this is astonishing, gets almost 50% of its budget and 75% of its drug regulation budget from the pharmaceutical industry.
00:20:43.000CDC has a budget that goes to purchasing vaccines in serum and sweet heart deals with these companies and then promoting them, promoting uptake.
00:20:53.000So if your work at CDC... You do not get promoted.
00:21:20.000Dr. Hare is who you just quoted, but I gotta get ahold of that quote because I think it's such a really profound and eloquent description of what the endpoint is for this system of regulatory capture where the institution becomes utterly sinister and corrupt.
00:22:03.000Robert, my vision or the way I see things going, and of course it's important for us to speak out, but it's ultimately self-destructive.
00:22:11.000It's a false economy because if you are making money or the economy is dependent on something that is false or essentially lies, then ultimately that bubble is going to burst.
00:22:21.000In this situation, it's the health, the health of the population.
00:22:24.000And this is, you know, the two big drivers of poor health now, overall negative impact on society when it comes to health, are big food and big pharma.
00:22:32.000And as the health gets worse, it's very interesting to look historically.
00:22:36.000When people's health get worse, they actually have less trust in their government.
00:22:40.000We don't want that situation to arise, but inevitably that's what's going to happen.
00:23:10.000I think one of the challenges we have, and of course we have social media that is growing, and this movement is growing definitely from a social perspective.
00:23:17.000A lot of people are becoming more and more aware.
00:23:20.000But still, the biggest, the most impactful, what shapes public opinion, more than anything, is still the mainstream media.
00:23:28.000But the problem is, you know, Robert, as well, is that certainly in America and to some degree here, the mainstream media also is captured by these big corporations.
00:23:40.000If society fails, we all fail as individuals.
00:23:43.000You know, I think even convincing the likes of people like Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates or Elon Musk who have profited from the system, that actually them speaking out and saying the system needs to change to protect their kids, the future generations, protect society, I think they need to get on board as well.
00:23:58.000We need to be able to have dialogue with those people that are even benefiting individually financially from this corrupt system and actually making them realize that That they are part of what is something ultimately going to be detrimental to the world and will come back and hit them hard.
00:24:12.000And we need to have that conversation with those people as well.
00:24:17.000I've tried to have that conversation, by the way, with Gates for many, many years.
00:24:21.000I've written him letters and asked him to look at...
00:24:24.000Some of the peer-reviewed studies that have been done, you know, particularly by the Danish government, did a study of the DPT vaccine, the most popular vaccine in the world, 161 million African children given a year, and they did a very extensive study led by these deities in vaccine,
00:24:41.000pro-vaccine researchers, Peter A. A. B., Sigrid Morgensen, And, you know, multi-million dollar studies of DPT vaccine, where they looked at 30 years of data, and what they found was that the ETP vaccine was protecting children from diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis.
00:24:59.000But the girls who got that vaccine were more likely, were 10 times more likely to die over the next six months than children who did not.
00:25:09.000And they were dying of things that nobody ever connected to the vaccines.
00:25:14.000They were dying of bilharzia, malaria, anemia, dysentery, and mainly pulmonary and respiratory illnesses and ammonias.
00:25:21.000And for 30 years, as these girls died at 10 times the rate, you know, vaccinated of unvaccinated girls, Nobody noticed.
00:25:32.000What the vaccine had done, the research has concluded.
00:25:36.000Is that they had, they were protecting the girl against these target, these fairly narrow targeted diseases, clades of these particular diseases.
00:25:47.000But they had ruined their immune systems.
00:25:49.000And the immune systems were unable to defend themselves against common infections.
00:25:54.000And that the children who were getting the vaccine were much less healthy, much less likely to survive than children.
00:26:02.000And that's why you need, at the beginning, studies that actually look at all health outcomes in a vaccinated versus unvaccinated population.
00:26:12.000And you need to have long enough, at least five years, in order to really understand, because a vaccine will fool you.
00:26:19.000It will tell you, yeah, this kid is not dying of measles.
00:26:23.000But if he's dying of cancer, and we know that children who get wild measles when they're young are less likely to get non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, Hodgkin's lymphoma, atopic diseases, cardiac diseases when they get older.
00:26:38.000So there's a protective, there's something that happens, and we do not understand enough about the immune system to be able to predict what happens.
00:26:47.000When we give a child something that is designed to permanently alter their immune system, you know, that has been developed through four billion years of evolution, what are the unanticipated outcomes?
00:26:59.000And you need to do real vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies.
00:27:05.000So for many years, what I pointed out is in our country, vaccines are exempt from pre-licensing safety testing.
00:27:14.000And the reason for that is because it's a legacy of CDC's beginnings as the Public Health Service, which was a quasi-military agency, and the vaccine program was conceived.
00:27:28.000As a national security defense against biological attacks in our country.
00:27:32.000So they wanted to make sure that if the Russians attacked us with anthrax or some botulist or some other biological agent, we could quickly formulate a vaccine and distribute it to 200 million Americans with no regulatory impediments.
00:27:45.000And they said, if we call it a medicine, we're going to have to do placebo-controlled testing.
00:27:55.000And we will say that biologics adopt a policy that say biologics don't have to do pre-licensing testing.
00:28:01.000So for many years, I've been saying about one of the 72 doses of 16 vaccines now mandated for American children has ever been placebo tested in a pre-licensing safety studies.
00:28:13.000Tony Fauci and everybody were saying he's not telling the truth.
00:28:20.000And I said, show us one study from any vaccine.
00:28:24.000After a year of litigation and stonewalling us on the courthouse steps, HHS came out and said, yeah, we've never tested one of our vaccines, not one of them.
00:28:34.000And pre-licensing safety testing, placebo-controlled trials, and that's really, you know, that's a huge problem.
00:28:43.000Really put your finger on the problem is this typhoon of misinformation and about medicine and how there's no clarity in the data.
00:28:54.000And that, I think, is one of the defining features of COVID. They were vague and hazy about, you know, infection fatality rates, and again, about everything from the beginning.
00:29:05.000It was no way of, it was like pushing on jello.
00:29:08.000You had no way of saying, okay, let's compare this to the flu, let's see, let's stratify the data and see, is it, are young kids getting it, getting it?
00:29:18.000Are they, what is the susceptibility by age?
00:29:21.000Who does it make sense to give this vaccine to?
00:29:24.000It was all direct, and then All of the really bad stuff they did on early treatments, like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and all these others, where they just created these phony studies.
00:29:35.000And I'm wondering, where did you get data that made you certain enough to make this profound and really consequential statement that vaccines are causing more adverse events than COVID? Because it's very hard to get data.
00:29:51.000I know you looked at ambulance calls for cardiac arrest.
00:29:58.000Certainly, in terms of what you mentioned already, the infection fatality rate, there are two scientists, one in particular that I describe when I give my talks as being a Stephen Hawking of medicine, and his name is John Ioannidis, Professor John Ioannidis from Stanford.
00:30:12.000Very, very bright guy, most cited medical researcher in the world.
00:30:16.000And he actually did the first study with Jay Bhattacharya in Santa Clara County to try and give us, and that was very useful and helpful, an infection fatality rate at the very beginning.
00:30:25.000And I think that put things in perspective in terms of understanding first and foremost that in the older population, certainly it appeared that the Wuhan strain was was significantly more concerning and devastating than the flu vaccine.
00:30:38.000Of course, a lot of people died in care homes.
00:30:39.000But the gradient of risk from from, as you mentioned already, from children up to the elderly was a thousandfold difference.
00:30:47.000So I remember him actually speaking on CNN quite early on, saying for the elderly, this can be devastating for people in middle age.
00:30:55.000And interestingly, for kids, it's less lethal than the flu.
00:30:58.000Now, that was never part of the mainstream narrative on a consistent basis.
00:31:01.000And therefore, a lot of people went around with exaggerated fear.
00:31:04.000That was in terms of the in terms of the infection fatality of COVID.
00:31:07.000And I think it's important to understand that because a lot of people's behavior and reactions and even how they responded in terms of the vaccine was based upon that original fear of COVID.
00:31:16.000I have a friend who, I'll answer your question about the data on the vaccine in a second, Robert, but You know, I have a friend who's a broadcast journalist for Chinese television.
00:31:25.000And recently I saw these images a few months ago coming out of China with the Omicron variant.
00:31:30.000And there were Chinese policemen or whatever you want to call it, wearing hazmat suits, being very aggressive with the population.
00:31:36.000I sent her a message and I said, what's going on here?
00:31:56.000And he said, the Chinese government, many people are also behaving in that way.
00:31:59.000So you've got all this misinformation that goes to the very highest levels, and that then drives policy.
00:32:05.000When it comes to the vaccine, COVID vaccine, Robert, I think for me, it was incremental.
00:32:11.000So there were bits of data that started to emerge.
00:32:13.000And then when you put it all together, first of all, you understand the mechanism of harm.
00:32:17.000And there was a paper published in Cell that explains how the spike protein goes around different organ systems in the body and can stay there for four months, causing either direct toxicity or autoimmune reaction.
00:33:03.000It was slightly higher, although you're right, it didn't reach statistical significance in the trial, but it makes you think a little bit because, hold on a minute, we've got a six-month high-quality, large, randomized controlled trial That showed reduction in infection, which ultimately was only about 119 people needed to be vaccinated to prevent one being infected, although that was presented as relative risk as 95%.
00:33:23.000There was no reduction in COVID mortality in the trial, statistically significant.
00:33:27.000There was no reduction in all-ports mortality.
00:33:29.000And suddenly we've gone from that trial leading to the approval to coercion to mandates to suddenly being gospel truth that the COVID vaccine has saved millions of lives.
00:33:40.000I don't think the evidence is there to say that.
00:33:50.000The actual randomized controlled trial data showed, if anything, as I mentioned in my paper, slightly more deaths in the vaccine group compared to the placebo.
00:33:58.000So when you put all of this together, you know, it paints a very concerning, disturbing picture of what ultimately emerged in terms of the pandemic and misinformation on this.
00:34:08.000But as I say in the paper, the structures were already in place, Robert, to allow this situation to arise.
00:34:19.000We had obviously the COVID situation, which was an emergency type of situation.
00:34:23.000We've never been in this before, this type of scenario.
00:34:26.000Therefore, decisions were taken in a way that wouldn't have otherwise occurred if everything was generally pretty calm with drug development, etc.
00:34:35.000And therefore, decisions were made in a more rash way.
00:34:39.000But the exploitation of those decisions...
00:34:42.000Maybe the fueling of those decisions, in my view, came from Big Pharma, who Pfizer made $37 billion in profit.
00:34:49.000You know, one of the most lucrative pharmacological interventions in the history of medicine, but probably one of the worst in terms of efficacy and the worst in terms of harms.
00:35:01.000If you join those dots together, You understand that this is a system failure that has allowed this to happen and a system failure that is perpetuating the problem.
00:35:09.000Right now, Omicron that's circulating is very mild.
00:36:07.000But actually, some of my relationships certainly have been strained with some of my closest friends and even family members at times.
00:36:14.000Even when I was in California last year, it took quite a lot of convincing and time for me to explain to my relatives that there was a serious issue with the vaccine.
00:36:22.000And one of the interesting things that came out of that conversation, even with doctors in the States as well, some of my friends, which I thought was very interesting, is the first response wasn't, okay, let's try and get to the truth and understand the science.
00:36:34.000They were, you can't say that because that means you're a Republican or you're in the far right or you're a Trump supporter.
00:36:51.000And for me also on a personal level, Robert, once I realized that the primary cause of my father's death, without any doubt in my mind, The most likely cause was the vaccine.
00:37:00.000He was the last surviving member of my immediate family.
00:37:15.000And I knew, even I spoke out a year ago on GB News when there was an initial link between, suggesting a link between the vaccine and the heart attacks.
00:37:23.000And a group of researchers at a very prestigious institution in this country, a whistleblower contacted me and said that they were covering up research that shows that the mRNA vaccine causes coronary inflammation and therefore links to heart disease.
00:37:35.000And they compared vaccinated and unvaccinated, and they decided they weren't going to publish it.
00:37:39.000Because they said it may interfere with our research funding from pharma, which again is an example of the corporate.
00:37:43.000The pharmaceutical industry have captured even our institutions.
00:37:47.000Universities are supposed to be guardians of the truth and represent the moral conscience of society.
00:37:51.000But as we've said already, if they are being governed and influenced by a psychopathic entity, what's going to happen?
00:37:57.000This is the kind of toxic culture it creates.
00:37:59.000So with all of that, I spoke out on GB News.
00:38:02.000I didn't have a peer-reviewed paper myself, but behind the scenes, I got complaints from anonymous doctors contacting the people that hold my medical license, the Royal College of Physicians, and I was able to rebut it, but of course it was stressful.
00:38:15.000Because I was sticking to the evidence.
00:38:16.000And I also said, listen, by the way, I'm not a so-called person that is trying to encourage vaccine hesitancy because I promoted or I tackled it at the beginning.
00:38:37.000And of all the virtues, courage is the most important one.
00:38:40.000And that's ultimately my duty to patients.
00:38:42.000One of the other things, I've worked in health policy in different organisations over the years, one of them is called the King's Fund, which advises government health policy, and I was a trustee of the King's Fund for six years.
00:38:51.000The maximum role you can have is for six years.
00:38:53.000And when I signed up to the King's Fund, one of the things I was asked to sign, or to read and sign, It was to basically declare that I would act according to the seven Nolan principles.
00:39:04.000So these are principles set up in the UK that are supposed to be adhered to by anyone who has a duty to the public, who serves the public.
00:39:12.000So this includes doctors, the police, teachers, nurses, even politicians.
00:39:18.000And I always recite these seven Nolan principles to people when I talk about how you should act as a doctor.
00:39:24.000And those principles are act through selflessness, objectivity, integrity, accountability, honesty, openness, and leadership.
00:39:35.000And leadership also means pointing out when people don't adhere to those principles.
00:39:48.000And I think a lot of people have forgotten that, Robert, unfortunately.
00:39:51.000I think if we go back to the basics, the Hippocratic Oath, and if our public figures and our policymakers acted virtuously, then I think that society would be in a much better position.
00:40:03.000The problem is the people that are influencing them and have too much control over our lives in many different ways, again, is an entity that is not human in the way that it approaches its business.
00:40:14.000And that's big pharma, that's big food, those are big corporations.
00:40:47.000Well, so the problem is, over time, Yeah, over time, too much sugar, basically, it can create something called insulin resistance.
00:40:55.000And I'd love to talk about it another time, of course, but insulin resistance is really the root cause of many of the chronic diseases, from heart disease to dementia to cancer, etc.
00:41:04.000The good news, Robert, though, is very rapidly, your risk factors and insulin resistance can be reversed, even within a few weeks of, say, quitting sugar.
00:41:10.000So it's not something that is irreversible, and that's a good answer.
00:41:13.000So how long do you recommend that I continue to eat the ice cream before I have to quit?
00:41:19.000LAUGHTER Listen, I was an ice cream addict.
00:41:46.000And then I think the other thing that you were asking me about sugar, how does one put sugar?
00:41:50.000Go cold turkey, basically eat real food, don't have anything out of a packet, don't have any sweets, any chocolates, any biscuits, but just do it for three to six weeks because I'm not saying do this forever.
00:42:03.000But your palate changes, your cravings change.
00:42:06.000And often, many of my patients, of course, rapidly actually improve their health markers and lose weight effortlessly just by quitting sugar.
00:42:31.000I do have a Patreon if people want to contribute towards that because most of my work, I'm an activist, you know, most of my work doesn't earn me money.
00:42:38.000But really, I want people just to see the message and read my articles, which are free and open access, and share them with people.