Alex Berenson talks about his new book, Pandemic, and how the drug industry helped create one of the most powerful corporations in the world. He also talks about how the pharmaceutical industry and financial industry conspired together to create a drug pandemic that could only be stopped by a massive government conspiracy. And he explains why the government didn t even bother to investigate the idea of a drug-dealing, pill-peddling, money-smashing pandemic until it was too late. This episode was produced and edited by Alex Blumberg. Our theme song is Come Alone by Suneaters, courtesy of Lotuspool Records. The album art for this episode was done by our super talented Ameya Vellian and our ad music was made by Mark Phillips. We'd like to learn a little more about you, the listeners. Please take a few minutes to fill out this brief survey. We'll see if we can figure out how many times you answered the question, "What's the worst thing you've ever heard someone say "I don't know" and why it's the most important thing you can do to help us understand what's going on. Thanks for listening, and share it on your social media! Timestamps: 1:00 - How did you feel about this episode? 2:30 - What do you think about it? 3:10 - What was your favorite part of the book? 4: What are your favorite conspiracy theories? 5:00 6:40 - What are you looking forward to in the next book you're writing about? 7:20 - What would you like to see next? 8:00 -- How do you see the future of the drug cartels? 9:40 -- What are the best piece of advice you d have from someone else? 10:30 -- What kind of information you d like to have? 11:00-- What would someone tell you about the future? 12:30-- What is the best thing you're looking for? 13:10 -- How would you want us to know? 15:00 | What s your biggest takeaway from this story? 16: What is your biggest mistake? 17:20 -- What s the biggest thing you would like me to know about the drug empire? 14:30 | What are some of your thoughts on what s going to be the most effective?
00:00:26.000He lives in New Jersey, and he has a Substack account, which I urge you to go to, alexberenson.substack.com.
00:00:36.000Alex has been one of the leaders of The resistance throughout the pandemic very, very courageously began reporting he was not looking to be a revolutionary hero.
00:00:49.000He was a science writer who was trying to report truths when the whole world was reporting lies.
00:00:57.000And he became a hero to many of us during that period.
00:01:01.000He's a prickly character and something of a young curmudgeon, but we're all grateful for his service to the truth to our country of public health.
00:01:15.000And, you know, I don't know if I'm a curmudgeon, but as I say at one point in Pandemia, I, you know, I don't like to get pushed around.
00:01:22.000And I have to say, having now lived through what they say about me, I, you know, I guess I understand you a little bit better because the stuff that gets said has nothing to do with reality.
00:01:35.000And I guess at some point you just have to accept that and decide you're going to continue to report out.
00:02:31.000And one of the interesting things about it, and the plague was called Captain Tripp's.
00:02:37.000And it killed outright probably 99% of people.
00:02:41.000But what you have is kind of similar to what's happening now.
00:02:45.000You had a very, very militarized response by the government.
00:02:50.000And you, although not, maybe not as militarized as what we're seeing now, you had an extreme polarization in society where all of the liberals Are drawn to one community in Boulder, Colorado.
00:03:07.000All of the conservatives are drawn to Las Vegas, Nevada.
00:03:10.000And they're very organized and disciplined.
00:03:13.000And then the two communities essentially have a battle against each other.
00:03:19.000And I have not seen any references to it since this began.
00:03:26.000And it struck me as that is really apropos.
00:03:30.000Well, let's hope that's not where we're at.
00:03:34.000I thought you were going to make a reference to the McNamara, you know, to the idea that this is the worst mistake we've made since Vietnam, which is, I think it's worse than Vietnam, but it's unquestionably worse.
00:03:45.000You know, I mean, the handling of this pandemic, as you say, $27 trillion has caused us.
00:03:52.000The worst thing is this tremendous shift of wealth.
00:03:56.000$3.8 trillion from working people around the globe to these super rich titans.
00:04:03.000We've created 500 new billionaires since it started.
00:04:07.000And one of the things that I'd love you to talk about, because you do a great job in this book, of talking about how from the beginning, the internet titans smelled blood in the water.
00:04:20.000They knew that this was going to help them.
00:04:22.000And they were, you know, they essentially were...
00:04:26.000Helped engineer a coup d'etat against American democracy, against the economy and everything else.
00:04:32.000And they saw that all of these businesses that they were closing down and forcing people to stay in their home and use their computers and their website was going to give them Unheralded power over all of humanity and enrich them beyond, you know, anything imagined even by Midas.
00:04:52.000And it was like you really outlined that in a way that I thought was really convincing.
00:05:03.000I don't want to say conspiratorial, but I see less of a plan here than you do in many ways.
00:05:09.000And what I see is people sort of seizing the moment in some ways.
00:05:15.000And Upton Sinclair, this is the epigraph of my very first book, The Number, which is about sort of financial accounting and And how the stock market and Wall Street went bad in the 1990s, which, you know, it periodically does go bad.
00:05:28.000The line is, it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
00:05:36.000And that is one of the great lines in human history.
00:06:19.000Both of the real titans, Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Netflix, but it was also true of these smaller companies like Peloton and Zoom and Pinterest.
00:06:31.000These other companies recovered very, very quickly and soon set new highs.
00:06:36.000And so the companies understood, certainly people, senior people in the companies must have understood that forcing people to be at home Yeah.
00:06:47.000and into virtual school, forcing office workers to not see each other was going to be very good for them.
00:06:53.000It was going to increase reliance on the internet.
00:06:55.000And I mean, I talk about my wife a little bit in the book.
00:06:59.000And one of the things that's happened to her is, you know, she now works as a psychiatrist for a company, doesn't matter what company, but they do outpatient psychiatry.
00:07:09.000And, you know, she sees people every day who, you know, have problems because of too much screen time.
00:07:16.000She sees them virtually because it's become clear to big companies, big service companies, big providers, that it's more efficient to do it that way.
00:08:33.000People in the financial system benefited from that.
00:08:36.000Whether that was banks, whether that was hedge fund managers, whether that was private equity managers, those people have made, and people investing in Bitcoin, investing is sort of a loose word for that, but everybody who speculated made out tremendously well last year.
00:09:54.000Henderson was one of the people who, he won the Presidential Medal of Freedom for his role in obliterating smallpox.
00:10:05.000And he's regarded as one of the gurus and charums of epidemic management.
00:10:11.000He wrote in December 2006, he and three other scientists authored an 11-page paper about the best ways for managing This is in 2006.
00:10:24.000And this kind of states the global orthodoxy at that time, that this was not unique, but the fact that he's writing it because he's such an important authority, let's say.
00:10:37.000And what he says is, disease mitigation measures in the control of pandemic influenza.
00:10:44.000After outlining lockdown measures, they pose the question, we must ask whether any of these proposed measures are epidemiologically sound and consider the possible secondary social and economic impacts.
00:10:59.000That is a momentous and obvious piece of wisdom.
00:11:05.000Before you lock down a society, you better make sure that the lockdown is not going to kill more people I'm not even looking about whether lockdowns are effective against mitigating the spread.
00:11:21.000Will the lockdown itself kill the disease?
00:11:24.000And one other thing that you do in your book is you do a very good job inventorying some of these catastrophic impacts of the lockdown.
00:11:35.000Here's where I want to say something about your book, which is, you know, that last chapter about the games.
00:11:41.000I mean, it's fairly clear that over the last 20 years, so these lockdowns, on the one hand, they came out of nowhere, right?
00:11:48.000They were completely unforeseen by most people, including some people in public health.
00:11:54.000They couldn't have happened without what happened in China in January 2020 and then Italy in late February, early March 2020.
00:12:00.000On the other hand, and this is where your book, to me, the most interesting stuff, you know, there's lots of interesting stuff in it.
00:12:08.000But the most interesting stuff, it was seeing how this small but determined group of pandemic fearmongers and pro-lockdowners laid the groundwork for this over a 20-year period.
00:12:23.000And how, over and over again, they tried to move this to the mainstream.
00:12:29.000And so when this happened, there was a playbook.
00:12:33.000And I don't think most people, aside from this real small handful of people, some inside the U.S. government, then the guy, Richard Hatchett at the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness, And a handful of other people had sort of been planning a response to this and were just dying to put it into gear.
00:12:52.000And the other thing is they had been sort of promising, I hate to use that word, but let's say they had been predicting a pandemic on this scale for years, and they'd been wrong over and over again, right?
00:13:36.000Their funding actually, in some cases, is actually starting to dry up.
00:13:39.000You know, you saw this with Daszak's group.
00:13:42.000The USAID contract had run out, and they were looking at not having another contract to move.
00:13:47.000Well, just in time, at the beginning of 2020, there's a pandemic that, you know, is finally disease X. They finally get what they've been predicting all along.
00:13:57.000And we can talk about where disease X came from and...
00:14:01.000You know, that's another part of this.
00:14:04.000But I think what your book does so brilliantly, which I didn't, you know, and I thought I was pretty knowledgeable about this.
00:14:10.000I was not knowledgeable about the number of sort of war games and epidemic exercises that had happened over the two decades.
00:14:19.000So yes, nobody thought that lockdowns were possible except this tiny group of people who thought, you know, who were planning them.
00:14:27.000Yeah, we're going to come back to lockdowns, but let's talk about the way they triggered the lockdowns, which was essentially using models from two different institutions, which some of them developed by people who are clearly,
00:14:44.000a history is almost kind of grifters, you know, pandemic predictors, consistently predicting them, but Who exaggerated, and this actually is where Alex Berenson made his bones and captured all of our public attention because you were so meticulous at that time during the early pandemic at saying,
00:15:09.000wait a minute, here's the models that they're using and here's the actual daily death rates and infection rates.
00:15:19.000And the models, IMHE, which is funded by Gates, and Ferguson's also funded largely by Gates in England, and the models for those two groups were so out of control.
00:15:35.000I think you sort of outlined, and it is in Pandemia, you know, I was a comparative nobody in March 2020.
00:15:42.000I mean, I had been a reporter for the Times many years before, but I, you know, I'd written some spy novels in the interim, and then I wrote a book about cannabis, which, you know, got some attention, but it wasn't a huge, you know, it was a, I would say it was a Medium important piece of nonfiction.
00:15:59.000And so, you know, I saw what Ferguson was doing and how he had made this, you know, incredibly terrifying prediction back in March, you know, back in mid-March.
00:16:12.000So Neil Ferguson is a physicist, actually, by trade.
00:16:34.000He was wrong by a factor of a million.
00:16:35.000He said the swine flu in 2005 might kill, you know, 200 million people, and it killed 200.
00:16:41.000So he was a fool, but he has a great accent, and he has a great degree, and that'll take you a long way.
00:16:50.000And he's one of these people who was wrong over and over and over again.
00:16:53.000So in February of 2020, as the pandemic started, When he accelerates in China, he gets very concerned.
00:17:01.000So he works for Imperial College London, which is a well-known university in London, and they have a deal with the WHO. And he's also part of something called SAGE, which is not a secret group, but not highly publicized group, called the Scientific Advisory...
00:17:16.000I'm sorry, I should have this off the top of my head.
00:17:19.000I want to say Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies.
00:17:22.000That may be wrong, and if it is, I apologize.
00:17:25.000It does meet secretly and it has very, very powerful people like Jeremy Farrar from Welcome Trust is on and off of it and a lot of other people.
00:17:37.000I mean, it's basically sort of a kitchen cabinet for the top people in the British government.
00:17:43.000So, yeah, I would say there's been more transparency around SAGE in the last year, but there's still, early on, there was very, very little.
00:17:53.000He has the WHO, Imperial College platform, Where he can sort of communicate at first privately to governments all over the world, and then publicly he can put out a report.
00:18:04.000And then he has a direct line to the British, you know, the top levels of the British government.
00:18:10.000And he releases a model in mid-March 2020 that says at least 2 million people are going to die in the U.S. if we don't do anything.
00:18:17.000500,000 people are going to die in the U.K. And by the way, even if we really lock down society until a The numbers are going to be half that.
00:18:27.000We're going to have to go even further than a normal standard.
00:18:31.000It's hard to know what a standard lockdown was then, but we're going to have to go to something called suppression, which was really everybody stays in your homes and, you know, something close to what the Chinese were doing, where basically you couldn't go outside without approval.
00:18:46.000So that's sort of, Ferguson says, we need this or the hospitals are going to be overrun.
00:18:51.000And, you know, I think this is a really important point that we need to remember The initial point of lockdowns was to save the medical system, right?
00:19:00.000It was not to prevent anyone from dying from COVID. There were these predictions that there were going to be 10 times as many people needing hospitalization as all the beds in New York State.
00:19:12.000So I think, I'm exaggerating slightly, I think the actual numbers, we're going to need 65,000 hospital beds and New York State has, you know, 18,000 beds.
00:19:23.000It was going to be a complete collapse of the hospital system within weeks, where people were going to be, I mean, no exaggeration, had this stuff come true or been close to coming true, there would have been people dying outside the hospitals, intense, untreated.
00:19:41.000That was essentially what they were predicting.
00:19:44.000They didn't quite come out and say that, but look at what the numbers were.
00:19:47.000They were far, far, far beyond the ability of the system to cope.
00:19:54.000You quote Levine, Mark Levin from the city council.
00:19:59.000They were going to be graves dug in Central Park.
00:20:05.000Central Park was going to be a cemetery.
00:20:50.000Okay, so that was like the 26th or 27th of March.
00:20:54.000Then, so the thing about exponential growth, I mean, this truly was supposed to be something where it was not going to be months away, much less years away.
00:21:21.000And the problem was that was completely wrong.
00:21:25.000It was within days you could see it was wrong.
00:21:29.000There was no acceleration in the number of people showing up.
00:21:33.000Just to interrupt you for a minute, Alec, what you were doing, which nobody else was doing, was there was actually a daily predictor in Ferguson's model.
00:21:51.000Where you could check it against the hospital beds that were, if the prediction was right, you could check the two numbers, the predictive number and the actual number, and they were.
00:23:23.000The hospitals use a system where they have a diversion alert where a hospital that is overrun diverts patients away, ambulances away, to nearby hospitals.
00:23:36.000And I think there was only one hospital in New York, Queen Elmhurst Hospital, that ever had a diversion alert, and all the other ones had empty beds all the time.
00:23:46.000I'm not sure that's true in New York City, but I can tell you.
00:23:49.000So this was something else I was able to do.
00:23:51.000New Jersey, it was online in real time.
00:23:53.000So you could see which hospital, because these hospitals would want to notify each other.
00:23:58.000And, you know, New Jersey, I think, has 80 hospitals.
00:24:01.000And usually there was like one diversion, you know, and it wasn't, oftentimes it was like psych ER or something.
00:24:39.000How do you explain how they all got subsumed in the orthodoxy?
00:24:43.000Because it really is a catastrophic phenomenon for our country, for democracy, for public health and everything.
00:24:51.000I mean, CNN is probably the worst example.
00:24:56.000And you can see the direct connection between the pharmaceutical advertisements and brought to you by Pfizer, but there's a lot of other media outlets that are not getting that much money from pharma, and they're still all subsumed in that orthodoxy, and they're all practicing that censorship.
00:25:14.000That's a great question, and I'm glad you pointed out that, you know, the Times, for example, doesn't get that much money from Pfizer.
00:25:19.000You know, I say in Pandemia that I think, look, it was very clear early on that this was going to hurt Trump.
00:25:26.000And a lot of the media hated Trump, hates Trump to this day.
00:25:31.000And they were willing to do almost anything to get him out of office.
00:25:35.000And so that was a dangerous phenomenon.
00:25:37.000There was real fear in New York in March.
00:25:44.000And I don't think people quite understood how much of that had to do with problems with the ventilators and how much of it had to do with Cuomo sending sick people back to nursing homes.
00:25:54.000But look, there were real deaths, okay?
00:25:56.000And I don't live in the city, but I was in the city a lot because I was visiting my father, who was quite sick at the time.
00:26:03.000He wound up dying in May 2020, not of COVID, as I talk about a little bit in Pandemia.
00:26:27.000But when you put those three things together, the train got going very quickly and And it became very hard, I think, to acknowledge that the reality was not as bad as it had been made out to be.
00:26:40.000Let me go to the next step with you, okay?
00:26:43.000So they exaggerate the predictions, and it triggers us into this cascading effect of where we all accept a two-week lockdown.
00:26:54.000There's all these weird steps that are taken by the government to exaggerate the deaths and exaggerate the cases.
00:27:05.000And among those are the, which you talk about in the book, and I think one of the best ways, there's parts of this book that in the future I will cut out those pages and send it to people about specific issues because you summarized them so efficiently.
00:27:24.000One of the areas where you do this is talking about all of these devices that the federal public health agencies used that all had the result of exaggerating the impacts of the pandemic.
00:27:40.000One was the coding of death certificates.
00:28:13.000Why was there such a fear at the Maybe you're believing the worst because
00:28:44.000of your inside knowledge of the work that was being done and the risk that they were taking.
00:28:50.000And again, that's not to say that they did it intentionally.
00:28:53.000It's like, oh man, you can imagine the conversation where it's like, the Chinese really screwed up.
00:28:59.000And they created this thing that is bad.
00:29:03.000And it's going to kill 3% of the people in the world.
00:29:06.000And that's, you know, I know that we haven't quite seen that yet, but that's where it's going.
00:29:11.000And we need to respond to that in this way.
00:29:14.000And so to me, that is a plausible explanation, although we don't know if it's true, why they overreacted so fiercely when they should have pulled back.
00:29:24.000The question, let's assume that that's true.
00:29:26.000And I'm going to continue to say we don't know if that's true.
00:29:29.000Why couldn't they pull back a month or two later?
00:29:35.000Now, let's talk about how many people died from the pandemic, from COVID, and what that means.
00:29:46.000And one of the things that you do that I think is really valuable to people that is To impose a reality, a realistic risk assessment on COVID is to basically, and you don't say this directly, but that we need to be looking at life years lost rather than lives lost because the deaths were overwhelmingly among people who would have died that year in
00:30:29.000I think you'd say at one point, 40% would have died that year and 60% by the second year.
00:30:36.000I think at least half, you know, the best estimates, and this was going on funeral home operators who obviously have insight into the, you know, into the cases, and actually Ferguson said it too.
00:30:46.000He actually said two-thirds of people, I think, Within 18 months and at least a third the year of, meaning this was in early 2020.
00:30:55.000When you look at who died, okay, so COVID picks on three kinds of people.
00:31:29.000And when you see people who are under 50 dying of COVID, they are overwhelmingly obese with cardiac conditions or severely obese.
00:31:39.000I'm not going to say there aren't exceptions, but those are the people who die.
00:31:42.000And then the third group is just sort of unfortunate people who might have downs or people who have genetic abnormalities who have been sick from birth.
00:31:52.000And so those are the people who die from COVID. So it's sort of hard to say that so openly without sounding harsh, but I don't mean to sound harsh.
00:32:01.000This does not mean that those people shouldn't be protected and we shouldn't do everything possible to help them.
00:32:08.000It means that we need to be realistic about who's not at risk.
00:32:12.000And that when we shut down society to protect the vast majority of younger people who are not at risk, we're harming them.
00:32:29.000When you say this, people on the left say, you're denying the reality of COVID and you're one of those people who says that only 5% of the deaths were actually COVID. No, I'm not saying that at all.
00:32:39.000COVID caused substantial excess mortality in the United States in 2020 and in early 2021.
00:32:45.000I will say right now, it's a lot harder to separate out COVID from the vaccine deaths, which is a whole different issue.
00:32:52.000But clearly, in the pre-vaccine days, COVID was causing substantial excess mortality.
00:32:59.000But those folks were going to die for the most part within a year or two.
00:33:06.000And there was just nothing we could do about it.
00:33:08.000And I'll give you the one number that says this more powerfully than any other.
00:33:12.00035%, and depending on some states it's even more, some countries it's even more, 35% of all the deaths in the U.S. from COVID last year were in nursing home patients.
00:33:23.000The average life expectancy, and I hate to say this, because one day we're all going to be entering a nursing home, the average life expectancy once you enter a nursing home is six months.
00:33:32.000Those are places we send people, even though we're not honest about it, we send them there to die.
00:33:37.000And COVID killed those people Preferentially.
00:33:43.000But you also do a good job of this showing why it was that I think 20-year-olds and 30-year-olds believed that if they got COVID, they had like a 30 or 40% chance of dying because the media coverage did not stratify that data in a way that And Americans could really understand a risk profile.
00:34:09.000It was deliberately blurred and conflated by a lot of different people to make it look like we all face it.
00:34:19.000And here's where I will go with the conspiracy.
00:34:22.000And you can see it in a SAGE document.
00:34:25.000You can see it in German government documents.
00:34:27.000I'm sure there are U.S. documents, too, although they have not come out yet.
00:34:31.000And the news media happily participated in it.
00:34:34.000And I'll never forget, last year there was a story in the Times of this guy named Tyler Ambergray, and he was 29, he was in Texas, and the story is how he was this fit hockey player who died of COVID. And I read this and I thought to myself, there's no way, okay?
00:35:05.000In my opinion, autopsies should be public information in every state.
00:35:10.000The dead, it doesn't matter to them, and the rest of us should know what's happened when somebody has died in a way that requires an autopsy, in my opinion.
00:35:20.000But so in Texas, you can get the autopsy.
00:35:22.000And what the autopsy showed was, yes, Tyler Ambergway had had COVID. No, he had never, as far as I can recall, he had never gone to the hospital.
00:35:31.000And he died, according to this, primarily of a drug overdose.
00:35:38.000And that's You know, and maybe, and COVID was on the death certificate because he had had COVID at the time, and so technically you could report it as a COVID death, but he died primarily, again, according to the report, of a drug overdose.
00:35:52.000And so that is a case where, you know, the media just lied.
00:35:57.000They just didn't tell the truth because they were trying to scare people.
00:36:00.000And there was a case, and this is only a few weeks ago now, it's not a pandemic, Of a 14-year-old in Alberta, Canada, who was announced as, you know, this young person died of COVID and the family was furious.
00:36:13.000And they actually came out that these two sisters said, our brother had terminal brain cancer.
00:36:18.000He'd been in the hospital since August of 2021.
00:37:31.000The two things that are the most sort of conspiracy-making and mystery-making to me in the last few months are why the desperation to vaccinate healthy young people and why the unwillingness to acknowledge natural immunity.
00:37:44.000Which has also, by the way, been going on since the beginning.
00:37:48.000You may or may not remember, I think it was in March 2020, maybe it was April, the WHO said, we don't know if antibodies provide protection against COVID going forward.
00:37:59.000And actually, they were forced to To change that, and who forced them to change it?
00:38:03.000Bill Gates and the pharma companies, because they knew that, you know, that was essentially saying that vaccines wouldn't work.
00:38:10.000So the WHO went so far to try to scare people that pharma stepped in.
00:38:16.000But this idea that natural immunity is not a thing, when all the evidence suggests natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity, is just beyond me.
00:38:25.000Well, here's another document that I love that you dug up, which is from SAGE. And this is where they say it's entitled Perceived Threat.
00:38:37.000And it worries that a substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened.
00:38:45.000It could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic groups.
00:39:46.000I don't remember who said it, but somebody said it in just, oh, maybe it was Scott Atlas.
00:39:51.000The idea that you're intentionally trying to panic people, as Fauci, I think Atlas in his book writes that Fauci said we need to panic people more.
00:39:59.000It's so wrong and so contrary to what public health has always been, or certainly what it's been in the last couple of decades.
00:40:09.000Well, I have memos that I can give you from CDC for years on the, you know, they do a flu strategy meeting every couple of years, and they have for years and years, we have the transcripts of those saying we have to drum up fear, you have to exaggerate deaths, you have to I do human interest stories.
00:40:30.000Anytime you can find somebody who died, you have to get to the local press and inflate that.
00:41:02.000Vaccines became, most of pharma sort of ignored vaccines.
00:41:06.000It was sort of seen as a low-profit business.
00:41:08.000One shot, you know, what they were into was either a cancer drug that you could charge $100,000 for, or, you know, an antidepressant that you could give, you know, over and over to a huge population for years on end.
00:41:20.000And at some point in the last 10 to 15 years, that calculation changed.
00:41:24.000It became clear that, A, you could charge more for vaccine.
00:41:28.000I can tell you when it changed, 1986, when they took immunity, when they gave them immunity from liability, there was a cold rush at that point, and when we went from At that time, there were three vaccines when I was a kid.
00:41:43.000There was 11 by then, and we went to 72 doses of 16 vaccines.
00:41:48.000But I would say it took a little bit longer than that because I'm talking more about the adult vaccines, whether it's a meningitis vaccine or a shingles vaccine or Gardasil, these vaccines that you can charge $100 for, that you don't have liability for, that the government actually is going to Help you advertise.
00:42:06.000And at some point, the economics of vaccines became quietly much more favorable than they had been.
00:42:14.000And as you say, yes, there was a gold rush.
00:42:17.000And then pharma starts to lobby for this.
00:42:23.000There's also, you know, the big money is actually in the chronic disease epidemic, you know, which you'll find out if you research this.
00:42:32.000It's directly linked to the vaccines, and that's a $500 billion.
00:42:37.000What I'm saying is vaccines sort of became this...
00:42:41.000And there was this group of vaccine fanatics, okay?
00:42:45.000Nobody outside pharma is a pharmaceutical fanatic.
00:42:49.000In other words, the doctors all know the companies are problematic.
00:42:53.000There's no Dorit Rice or Peter Hotez pushing...
00:43:01.000The companies will do it, sure, but we're all suspicious.
00:43:04.000But vaccines have this nonprofit constituency that doesn't exist for drugs, and they have worked with the companies.
00:43:16.000In this way that no one has sort of realized, or I won't say no one, I didn't realize until COVID that this was happening.
00:43:24.000As somebody who covered the drug industry in the aughts, my impression was that vaccines were really kind of God's work because there was no money in them.
00:43:33.000And that clearly stopped being true at some point.
00:43:38.000Let me go back to what you were talking about before and just put a bug in your ear about this.
00:43:45.000It's something that you can look into.
00:43:47.000But I believe that the reason that there's this tremendous, or one of the reasons there's this tremendous drive to vaccinate children is because of the liability implications to And if you have an EUA vaccine, You have immunity under the PREP Act and the CARES Act.
00:44:08.000Oh, nobody can sue you no matter how negligent, no matter how grievous the injury, you can't get sued.
00:44:14.000But if once you get approved, You no longer have that immunity from liability.
00:44:22.000Aren't they then going through the vaccine compensation injury program?
00:44:26.000That is only available to childhood vaccines.
00:44:34.000If you get your shingles vaccine as an adult, you can sue.
00:44:39.000And I'm involved in litigation on the shingles vaccine.
00:44:42.000You have to get it approved for children.
00:44:45.000But once it is approved, A recommended, I guess, a CDC recommendation.
00:44:49.000It then has liability protection, not just for children, but for adults.
00:44:54.000So if they can get a recommendation for this vaccine to children, even though there's no reason to give it to children, that's the way for them to get immunity for adults.
00:45:06.000And this, they may have some other claim that they can get immunity elsewhere, but...
00:45:11.000I think all the other claims for immunity are going to fall apart, but this immunity is solid if they can get that childhood vaccine.
00:46:28.000So another part of this book that I want to clip out the pages and send it to people who are my friends who believe that the vaccines are effective and that they ended the pandemic.
00:46:43.000You know, when they came here to read that there was a drop off and all this.
00:46:47.000You do a very, very good takedown of all that, and you look at the data from the most vaccinated countries in the world, which were the earliest vaccinated.
00:46:57.000You look specifically at Denmark, the UK, and Israel.
00:47:01.000So tell us what we can learn from the experience of those nations who were early adopters Who are very aggressive, who vaccinated the vast majority of their populations.
00:47:16.000So what happens is, it's sort of a story in three acts, and the media only discusses the second act, although they've sort of been forced into talking about the third act.
00:47:25.000The first act is, there's a spike in cases when you give the first dose.
00:47:30.000That's clear basically from all the international data.
00:47:33.000And as I say in the book, it's not entirely clear why, okay?
00:47:36.000There may be an actual sort of effect of suppressing the immune system.
00:47:40.000So I got accused of saying, oh, you're saying the vaccine contains the virus.
00:48:36.000There have been places, Vietnam actually, countries that had had no cases once they started their immunization campaign had a spike.
00:48:44.000And by the way, the companies, when they designed the trials with the sort of approval of the FDA, essentially ignored cases for almost six weeks, and especially in the first two weeks.
00:48:54.000They just essentially said, we're not going to count those cases.
00:48:58.000And in the real world, you have to count the cases because people are getting sick and dying.
00:49:01.000And by the way, people would say, oh, well, he's saying the vaccine actually contains the virus and people are getting sick because they're being injected with it.
00:49:13.000What I said was, you see this phenomenon, it's probably because there's a temporary immune suppression that's happening, possibly because just the physical act of vaccinating is exposing people.
00:49:23.000We don't know, but we know it's happening.
00:49:26.000Then for a few weeks, so you get this spike, then actually you start to develop some antibodies, cases come down, you get the second dose, and suddenly you have a lot of antibodies, okay?
00:49:39.000And for a few months, somewhere between two to four months, the vaccines actually work as promised, it seems like.
00:49:47.000In other words, people have real protection from COVID-19.
00:49:50.000They have tons of antibodies in their blood, they're not getting infected very frequently, and there's not a lot of transmission.
00:49:57.000And look, there's people out there who will argue that even that is a statistical artifact, but I don't really believe that.
00:50:02.000I believe that that is a real phenomenon.
00:50:04.000That's what I call or came to call the happy vaccine ballot.
00:50:08.000So there's a period in the Happy Valley, yes.
00:50:12.000A period in Israel in the spring, in the UK in the spring, later in Europe in sort of the late summer and fall because the Europeans got, you know, started later, even in the US in the mid-summer where cases and infections went down.
00:50:35.000I mean, the comments people made, including Fauci, people talked about this eradication or certainly elimination of the disease and complete herd immunity, meaning there might be a case here and there.
00:50:48.000It was still going to exist, but it was not going to be a problem at all.
00:50:53.000And if you could just get to 70%, 80% vaccination, That would happen.
00:51:28.000The vaccines cause you to produce this tremendous burst in antibodies, much more than natural infection, which is one reason why there were these people out there saying the vaccines are actually more protective than natural infection.
00:51:40.000But, unfortunately, your body actually doesn't want the level of antibodies that the vaccines causes it to produce.
00:51:48.000And very rapidly, you start to clear these antibodies.
00:51:51.000And meanwhile, there's a whole set of processes that will happen when you're naturally infected that don't seem to recover, and those don't seem to happen with the vaccines.
00:52:02.000You do not get the same level of memory B cell You do not get the same level of T cell immunity, and you don't get these improvements that happen over time to your B cells and your T cells, where they become better able to recognize this if you're reinfected.
00:52:18.000You don't get any of these benefits, or you get them in a much more limited way.
00:52:23.000You also don't even get the same width of antibodies that you do with With natural infection, you don't get any antinucleic capsid antibodies, which is part of the virus that because you're only producing the spike protein when you're vaccinated, you're never going to get those antibodies.
00:52:38.000So you get this very narrow bump in spike protein antibodies that goes away.
00:52:44.000And within four to six months of the second dose, so that's six, you know, five to seven months after you've started this cycle, you are losing protection.
00:52:52.000And you don't lose it slowly, you lose it very rapidly.
00:52:57.000And so in Israel, over the summer, in the UK, over the summer, in continental Europe right now, and in the US now too, you're seeing massive spikes in cases and in deaths and in hospitalizations.
00:53:12.000And the only response that the vaccinators had is, we're going to boost you.
00:53:17.000And all that means is that you're getting a boost in antibodies again, because it is not clear.
00:53:23.000And if they say otherwise, they are exaggerating their knowledge.
00:53:28.000It is not clear that you're getting any improvement again in B and T cells.
00:53:32.000You're getting this improvement in the number of anti-spike protein antibodies.
00:53:38.000And by the way, that doesn't even seem to work right now against Omicron.
00:53:42.000Okay, so this is why the vaccine seemed to be almost completely useless against Omicron.
00:53:47.000But even against Delta, yes, you're gonna get a reduction in cases when you give people the spike, give people that third dose, but it isn't clear how long it's going to last.
00:53:59.000And Israel just now has announced a fourth dose.
00:54:02.000So once you understand this, You really are being put on a treadmill with the vaccines.
00:54:10.000And the only way off, basically, is to accept that you're going to have to let yourself get infected and see if natural immunity is going to be the answer for you, unless you want to be taking these boosters indefinitely.
00:54:25.000And just one more point, in most of the developed world, and in the U.S. especially, almost all the vaccines are mRNA vaccines.
00:54:34.000So this is the Pfizer-Moderna technology.
00:54:37.000In Europe, they use some AstraZeneca, which is a somewhat different technology.
00:54:41.000But the mRNA vaccines were never designed to be dosed repeatedly.
00:54:49.000Moderna initially was going to be a therapeutics company, and it realized that dosing people too often with mRNA led to all kinds of negative side effects.
00:55:01.000And so that's why Moderna became a vaccine company, because the idea was we're only going to have to give people a couple of doses, and then we're done.
00:55:08.000But now that's been thrown out the window.
00:55:12.000So whenever somebody, if these companies tell you they know what the effect of a fourth dose, a fifth dose, a sixth dose, much less, you know, biannual doses for the rest of your life, they don't have a clue what that's going to mean.
00:55:23.000They couldn't possibly have a clue what that's going to mean, because none of us have done the research.
00:55:33.000Of all the things people should understand about the vaccines is the clinical trials for the vaccines were blown up.
00:55:41.000What I mean by that is shortly after the companies got their emergency authorization, they offered the vaccines to essentially everyone who had received a placebo in the clinical trials.
00:55:54.000And what that means- They obliterated the placebo group.
00:56:02.000You know, it is terrible scientifically.
00:56:05.000Because right now, let's say the vaccines do have real long-term side effects.
00:56:11.000The only way we would know that cleanly and quickly is by comparing deaths in the placebo or serious events in these big clinical trials in the people who received the vaccine to the people who didn't.
00:56:26.000That's the whole point of a clinical trial.
00:56:28.000You match the two sides, and then whatever outcomes differ, you can assume is the result of the treatment.
00:56:35.000They destroyed our ability to do that.