RFK Jr. The Defender - Immunity and Obesity with Dr Tyna Moore

00:00:00.000 It's a great honor.

00:00:01.000 I'm excited to meet you.

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00:00:18.000 When I first started dating my wife, she saw me grab a A lizard or salamander, and she said, oh, thank God, I'm never going to go hungry.

00:00:35.000 I wish I had yours still and being able to heal people with mushrooms.

00:00:43.000 Well, first I have to identify them, but yes, I know how they work.

00:00:48.000 Tell me about, you know, what's been your experience with the pandemic?

00:00:55.000 Really interesting.

00:00:56.000 So I, when I was 19, I got diagnosed with a virus that is not very, well, I'm sorry, I should take that back.

00:01:01.000 It's very common, but it doesn't commonly make people sick.

00:01:04.000 It's in the herpes family.

00:01:05.000 It's called cytomegalovirus.

00:01:06.000 And I ended up with long hauler syndrome from that.

00:01:09.000 And then I got a very, very bad case of the flu in the early 2000s.

00:01:13.000 And that almost killed me.

00:01:15.000 And so I became obsessed with viruses and how they worked.

00:01:19.000 And my chiropractic training was excellent when it came to basic sciences, immunology, and pathology.

00:01:25.000 So I was ready.

00:01:27.000 And when this hit, I thought for sure common sense would prevail.

00:01:30.000 I was like, oh, hey, we know how coronaviruses work.

00:01:34.000 As naturopathic doctors, we have many, many effective tools on how to help Avoid getting severely ill.

00:01:41.000 How to mitigate cytokine storms.

00:01:43.000 How to help.

00:01:44.000 And we were silenced, particularly in Oregon.

00:01:46.000 You'll love this.

00:01:47.000 The Department of Justice and the FTC somehow got involved with each other in Oregon specifically and silenced us immediately.

00:01:54.000 My lawyer called me and said, do not say a word online.

00:01:56.000 They are investigating doctors left and right.

00:01:59.000 If they even have...

00:02:01.000 I had a friend who was under investigation, we believe, for even saying vitamin C and COVID in the same post.

00:02:08.000 And so I was watching my friends get deplatformed and get in trouble immediately at the onset.

00:02:15.000 And so I've had to navigate this very carefully.

00:02:17.000 We are obviously not allowed to talk about treatment prevention or cure, but I just was, I cannot believe that we weren't even allowed to tell people to high dose vitamin D and vitamin C at the beginning.

00:02:29.000 So I feel like something was awry when that all started happening.

00:02:33.000 I realize we shouldn't be peddling snake oil and unfounded cures, but basic physiology, basic biochemistry, basic nutrition.

00:02:42.000 We know that people who are nutritionally poor or have low nutritional status, not only do they get sicker and die faster from these types of viruses, but they also still Create more virulent strains and spread more virulent strains as do obese people and I thought for sure that this information would come out from the powers that be and we would get some common sense but that didn't happen and so my Instagram following grew very quickly and I was getting information from doctors and nurses on the front lines all

00:03:12.000 all over the world in real time and hearing about what was going on.

00:03:16.000 And very quickly, we realized that the obese population, those with diabetes and subsequently with kidney issues were at most risk.

00:03:24.000 And I thought, well, for sure, they're going to come out and say, this is how you can empower yourself and help yourself be more resilient to this virus.

00:03:31.000 And yet not a peep.

00:03:32.000 And we're a year in and not a peep.

00:03:35.000 And so I've been quietly and carefully trying to navigate this without breaking any rules.

00:03:42.000 and trying to help people become more resilient because we're not sitting ducks.

00:03:46.000 And so I've been frustrated, very frustrated, and then watching subsequently folks such as yourself and brilliant doctors just be silenced over and over and over again.

00:03:57.000 Obviously, there's some truth out there that doesn't want to be let out.

00:04:01.000 Yeah, I mean, you know, Dr.

00:04:03.000 Fauci, I think, was asked in August.

00:04:06.000 He was on national TV. I think it was CNN. And he was asked, you know, what are you personally doing?

00:04:13.000 He said he takes 9,000 units daily of vitamin D. And my question was, why wasn't he telling other people?

00:04:22.000 Why didn't he ever have that press conference at the beginning and say to people, here's how to build your immune system.

00:04:31.000 We're watching this.

00:04:32.000 In the beginning, we had the data.

00:04:35.000 85-95% of the people who were first being hospitalized and then dying were people who were vitamin D deficient.

00:04:42.000 People with darker skin color or chronically vitamin D deficient were having these death rates that were disproportionately high compared to the rest of the population.

00:04:54.000 Why wasn't he telling people of color You need to supplement with vitamin D. You need to stop drinking sugar drinks.

00:05:04.000 You need to try to lose weight.

00:05:07.000 You need to try to spend time in the sunlight because this isn't like homeopathy or questionable science or something that can criticize.

00:05:18.000 This is biology.

00:05:20.000 It's peer-reviewed.

00:05:21.000 Everybody knows it.

00:05:23.000 And yet, you know, it seems like anything that was not vaccine track, anything that would distract people from vaccine is my only salvation, was being silenced by these vested interests,

00:05:40.000 as you point out, the Justice Department, the FTC. All of these diverse federal agencies were all in on this weird mission to stop people from finding any solution other than vaccines,

00:05:56.000 including pharmaceutical solutions like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, which, you know, Whether you believe that they work or not, and the peer-reviewed science overwhelmingly says they do, the kind of studies that Tony Fauci and Bill Gates were commissioning are the studies that we know were designed to discredit them.

00:06:23.000 Oh, they were studies that targeted, you know, late onset in the disease when people were already in the hospital.

00:06:29.000 They used four or five times the lethal doses.

00:06:33.000 They used placebos that were effective in order to dampen the effectiveness signals.

00:06:40.000 And, you know, these are all old tricks that we see from the pharmaceutical industry.

00:06:46.000 We know what they look like.

00:06:48.000 We know what they're up to.

00:06:50.000 And that's what they were doing.

00:06:51.000 It was really, it was diabolical, I would say.

00:06:55.000 It was so interesting to watch it play out too, because they would throw up a study and say vitamin D and zinc don't work.

00:07:02.000 But we know as physicians who have been treating patients for in real life, that oftentimes nutritional status takes a while to come up and you can't just throw nutrients at people in isolation and expect them to work.

00:07:16.000 Oftentimes these things work synergistically.

00:07:18.000 And so It takes time for nutritional status to come up.

00:07:22.000 The body cannot just absorb massive aliquots of vitamin D and zinc all at the same time on the cellular level.

00:07:27.000 They've got to actually be absorbed over time.

00:07:29.000 A good example is myself.

00:07:30.000 I was so severely zinc deficient that it took me 10 years of high dosing zinc to actually get to the point where I was no longer experiencing zinc deficiency symptoms.

00:07:40.000 So this isn't just an overnight phenomenon.

00:07:42.000 Those who are obese actually have a harder time absorbing vitamin D and getting their vitamin D status up.

00:07:47.000 As you said, people of color and darker skin tone have a hard time absorbing and getting their vitamin D status up.

00:07:52.000 People who are inflamed All the people who are most at risk for this virus and poor outcomes from it, I should say, have a harder time getting nutritional status up.

00:08:02.000 Gut absorption is a huge issue.

00:08:04.000 And then as far as the drugs went, I found studies very early on in this where different countries were working together to share their cocktail of drugs they were using.

00:08:14.000 And so again, I think sometimes these drugs work synergistically with one another, not just high doses and isolation.

00:08:20.000 That's really where naturopathic medicine, I would say, shines, is we understand that concept.

00:08:24.000 We're trying to, we're not interested in a symptom picture that has a, you know, CPT code on it.

00:08:30.000 We're interested, or sorry, an ICD-9 code, or ICD-10 code now.

00:08:34.000 We're interested in the person who's presenting with the symptoms, so we treat the people, not the condition.

00:08:39.000 And there's a million reasons why somebody is going to have a difficult time with a virus.

00:08:44.000 And it's not all handled the same.

00:08:45.000 But like you said, blanket distribution of vitamin D, which caused what how much does that cost like a penny, a pill and zinc?

00:08:53.000 I mean, I thought this stuff should have been subsidized and released.

00:08:57.000 And I was getting information from folks who lived in Peru and other places telling me that they were being handed ivermectin prophylactically.

00:09:04.000 They were being given like little goodie bags just in case they were starting to come down with symptoms so that they didn't overwhelm the hospital system and just not a word of it in the United States.

00:09:15.000 And yet everything I followed from the American Medical Association and watching Medscape daily, the emails that came through.

00:09:23.000 it was almost like they were trying to villainize it in real time and just say, you know, it just doesn't work.

00:09:27.000 It's like, well, yeah, if you throw somebody who's heading towards a ventilator, who's really sick on a high dose of vitamin D, it's not a miracle.

00:09:34.000 It's not going to, of course, it's not going to work.

00:09:36.000 And so it's like common sense left the building completely, right?

00:09:39.000 It's like we forgot how A, viruses work, and how B, humans work, and how herds work, how viruses move through herds.

00:09:47.000 It was just completely disregarded.

00:09:49.000 And we were treating this virus like it was some kind of alien, when in reality it fits into a family of viruses we understand well.

00:09:56.000 So that whole part has just been very frustrating for me.

00:10:00.000 One of the things you just mentioned surprised me a little, which is This idea that people who are obese and people who have these other comorbidities actually become reservoirs for mutant strains, is that just because there's a lot of activity, a viral activity, what they call inoculum, which is, you know, a large presence of very dense masses of the virus.

00:10:30.000 How would it happen?

00:10:32.000 That's part of it.

00:10:33.000 So the ACE2 receptors where the virus binds and obese tissue adipose cells actually have a high level of ACE2 receptors.

00:10:40.000 So more fat cells, more ACE2 receptors.

00:10:42.000 So you have a higher potential to bind more virus.

00:10:45.000 Viral titers count.

00:10:46.000 So the higher the virus titer count in the body, the more infectious somebody is.

00:10:51.000 We know from flu studies, even more recent flu studies, That obese bodies, this was in mice and humans, they found that obese bodies not only spread more virus around, but they spread it for longer periods of time and more comes out in their aerosol.

00:11:07.000 So that's concerning.

00:11:08.000 And very early on in the pandemic, there was some literature that I saw, letters to the editor of different medical journals saying, hey, maybe we should consider this and maybe we should consider quarantining obese folks because If they're symptomatic and quarantining them for longer than 14 days because we know these facts about the flu and obesity.

00:11:26.000 We also know in mouse studies that when a virus goes through the body, since it uses your own body to manufacture itself, it creates a different, a little bit different version that comes out, right?

00:11:38.000 And generally, as a virus moves through a society of mammals, it becomes kinder and gentler because the body is processing it and doing different things to it, right?

00:11:48.000 Right.

00:11:48.000 Well, in the obese model, out comes a very different virus.

00:11:52.000 And so in these mice they looked at, the obese mice were creating more virulent strains that actually created more morbidity or illness symptoms in lean counterparts.

00:12:03.000 And so just recently, there's some data coming out that this might be true as well for this virus.

00:12:10.000 And so that alone should have been a conversation.

00:12:13.000 That's not fat shaming.

00:12:15.000 And every time I try to mention it, someone wants to cut my head off and accuse me of fat shaming or a million other horrible words.

00:12:20.000 When I'm literally just trying to share information that can empower a person to take their health into their own hands, stop sitting around, you know, We've gained how much weight since the pandemic started?

00:12:32.000 I think the average American's gained, like, what, 20, 30 pounds, a recent survey said.

00:12:38.000 So...

00:12:38.000 I was simply trying to give people information to empower themselves to take to make changes, you know, small incremental changes add up quickly.

00:12:47.000 Also, and I don't you know, it's, it can go deep down the rabbit hole here, but your fat cells are little reservoirs for your immune system as well.

00:12:55.000 So your immune system is housed in the adipocyte, which is your fat cell and fat cells, generally speaking, when in an obese body become generally speaking become I'm going to go.

00:13:14.000 I'm going to go.

00:13:26.000 The T cells that are living in fat cells become sort of rogue, and they're not so nice, and it basically turns into a little bit of a nightmare.

00:13:36.000 The T memory cells, which is the one cell we're banking on here, whether vaccinated or natural immunity, we are banking on T memory cells for long-term immunity to this.

00:13:45.000 T memory cells in the obese body don't work.

00:13:48.000 They just stop working.

00:13:50.000 And from what I found in my studies, it's irreversible.

00:13:54.000 And so that's not that was short term, though.

00:13:57.000 So we don't know, I don't want to, you know, blow the wind out of everyone's sails and tell them they're doomed.

00:14:01.000 But a fat cell can do some pretty crazy things to your immune system cells, and then they don't work right.

00:14:07.000 And it's the overall harmony of the orchestra of the immune system that we need working.

00:14:12.000 Because this virus bypasses the first part of your immune system pretty well like a ninja.

00:14:17.000 Communication lines in inflamed and obese people and sickly people and malnourished people don't work between the frontline army and the Navy SEALs.

00:14:25.000 I don't really know military as well as some, so don't fry me on this, but there should be a communication line.

00:14:31.000 That's a bit broken in bodies that are not healthy.

00:14:34.000 And then over here, we have the specialized forces that maintain long-term immunity.

00:14:38.000 Those are not working so well in malnourished people.

00:14:42.000 Sickly, elderly, obese patients.

00:14:44.000 The people most susceptible to poor outcomes of this virus.

00:14:48.000 These are also the same types of patients or people who don't respond well to vaccines.

00:14:53.000 So my whole thing was not necessarily pro-vax or anti-vax.

00:14:57.000 It was just informed consent in that either way you want to approach this as an individual in this pandemic, you've got to have resiliency.

00:15:05.000 You've got to have your body working favorably and your nutritional status up.

00:15:09.000 So that either your natural immunity or your induced immunity through immunizations, either way, they're not going to work if we continue to be as sick as we are as a nation.

00:15:20.000 This nation is...

00:15:22.000 Having a very particular time with this virus, which I saw coming from a mile away, because only 12% of us are metabolically sound.

00:15:29.000 88% of us are not metabolically sound.

00:15:32.000 And it's the metabolic flexibility that this virus is taking advantage of.

00:15:36.000 When people don't have metabolic flexibility and they're sitting in this sort of like pre-diabetic or diabetic soup, they have a very hard time dealing with this and with the whole viral onset.

00:15:46.000 So...

00:15:47.000 That's the pickle we're in, and I'm just really confused that this hasn't been discussed in mainstream media or anywhere else, for that matter, and that the small core of us freedom fighters trying to get the message out continually get attacked, villainified, and censored.

00:16:02.000 And it's left me in a stupor, to be honest.

00:16:08.000 What you're saying is, if you were the head of the National Institute for Allergic Infectious Diseases, You probably would have given the nation a different prescription than what Anthony Fauci gave the nation.

00:16:24.000 You know, that's one of my kind of, you know, just a basic question about the science that was used, you know, that was never cited to support the lockdowns and masking and social distancing.

00:16:39.000 Is it possible that those safeguards Actually made the problem worse.

00:16:47.000 I think so.

00:16:48.000 Locking people in their homes and keeping them out of the sunlight and keeping them away from social interaction and putting them under the stress of enduring bankruptcies and spousal abuse and suicides and all this stuff.

00:17:04.000 And then gaining weight and ruining their health.

00:17:08.000 Is that actually making people safer?

00:17:12.000 I don't think that we have the data to support that.

00:17:15.000 No, I think that lockdowns were a terrible idea, the way that they were done.

00:17:21.000 I think there could have been a different version of that.

00:17:23.000 I think that the susceptible could have been protected better.

00:17:26.000 I believe that people thought that the mask would save them, and so perhaps people who were at high risk took Risks that they shouldn't have taken.

00:17:35.000 I've seen several people out in the community that, you know, you look at them and you think that is exactly the type of person who is a sitting duck for poor outcomes with this virus.

00:17:45.000 And here they are sitting in the middle of a restaurant, you know, with even I've seen older folks with oxygen on.

00:17:51.000 The other thing that fits in with what you just said is frailty has really come to the forefront as A big concern.

00:17:58.000 Those folks, regardless of size or weight or age or gender, those folks who are most frail are the ones who are doing the poorest with the virus.

00:18:07.000 And so let's take exercise out of the picture.

00:18:10.000 Let's shut gyms. 1.00

00:18:11.000 I mean, that's what they did.

00:18:12.000 In Oregon, they shut gyms.

00:18:13.000 We've been closed.

00:18:15.000 They just opened them for like a pipsqueak of time.

00:18:17.000 And now they're shutting things down to some extent again.

00:18:21.000 Take exercise out of the picture.

00:18:23.000 Let's see how everyone does.

00:18:24.000 When you put any mammal in isolation, our immune systems need to encounter each other to practice and sample each other.

00:18:32.000 It's exercise.

00:18:33.000 Think of it as immune exercise.

00:18:35.000 And when you put mammals in isolation, their immune system plummets and their inflammation increases.

00:18:41.000 So inflammation and frailty, I think, are at the root cause of poor outcomes with this virus.

00:18:46.000 And yet we've induced it.

00:18:48.000 Through the measures that they've taken.

00:18:49.000 So whenever they do let us out, which is in these, you know, Oregon's been under heavy lockdown.

00:18:54.000 I don't know if people realize the severity that we have endured here in Oregon.

00:18:58.000 It's particularly unpleasant.

00:19:00.000 And no one's really talking about it because everybody's so hung up on what happened in Portland and with the riots, etc.

00:19:07.000 And so you let people out for a small amount of time and they've been completely isolated.

00:19:13.000 They probably been eating high qualities or quantities of sugar.

00:19:15.000 They've not been exercising and their immune systems are tanked out because they've been isolated.

00:19:20.000 And so, of course, the minute they come upon anybody, viruses will hop to host viruses always have to find they don't want to kill their host, they want to find a host so they can spread.

00:19:29.000 And so they're going to keep hopping to the next host that shows up and you let these folks out.

00:19:34.000 And of course, we're going to see cases rise up.

00:19:37.000 And then PCR testing is a whole other conversation we don't have to get into, but I do believe it's flawed.

00:19:43.000 I don't believe it's been terribly accurate and helpful.

00:19:46.000 But it drives the case number up, which the media loves to latch on to, to keep that fear narrative going.

00:19:52.000 And so the whole thing is, I don't know why some of us can see it and others...

00:19:57.000 I want to absolutely deny it and fight us on it, but I'm sitting here watching it all play.

00:20:02.000 I wish I had a dollar for every prediction I've made correctly throughout this.

00:20:07.000 I'd be rich because I'm like, well, this is what's going to happen next, and boom, it happens next.

00:20:11.000 It's crazy.

00:20:13.000 And so now Oregon is saying, well, because we really haven't been out and about, because we've been under so much isolation, now we can't let you out.

00:20:20.000 Because you're too susceptible.

00:20:22.000 That's the new narrative.

00:20:23.000 So now we have to really push those vaccines so that everybody gets up to snuff because they've tanked out our immune systems through locking us down.

00:20:32.000 I'm going to show you a clip from George Carlin.

00:20:37.000 Now, I'm going to, David's going to put that in, but you know the clip I'm talking about.

00:20:42.000 So, George Conlin has this famous clip where he talks about how the people like him who grew up in the Bronx and swam at the Hudson River, where there was Ross who went into the Hudson River, they're the only ones in his neighborhood that didn't get polio.

00:20:58.000 Because that's what Americans do now. 0.53

00:21:00.000 They're always willing to trade away a little of their freedom in exchange for the feeling, the illusion of security.

00:21:07.000 What we have now is a completely neurotic population obsessed with security and safety and crime and drugs and cleanliness and hygiene And germs.

00:21:18.000 There's another thing.

00:21:19.000 Germs.

00:21:20.000 Where did this sudden fear of germs come from?

00:21:23.000 In this country.

00:21:23.000 Have you noticed this?

00:21:24.000 The media constantly running stories about all the latest infections.

00:21:29.000 Salmonella, E. coli, hantavirus, bird flu.

00:21:32.000 And Americans, they panic easily. 0.95

00:21:34.000 So now everybody's running around scrubbing this and spraying that and overcooking their food and repeatedly washing their hands, trying to avoid all contact with germs.

00:21:42.000 What do you think you have an immune system for?

00:21:45.000 It's for killing germs.

00:21:47.000 But it needs practice.

00:21:49.000 It needs germs to practice on.

00:21:52.000 So, so listen.

00:21:55.000 So listen.

00:21:58.000 If you kill all the germs around you and live a completely sterile life, then when germs do come along, you're not going to be prepared.

00:22:05.000 And never mind ordinary germs, what are you going to do when some super virus comes along that turns your vital organs into liquid?

00:22:11.000 Let me tell you a true story about immunization, okay?

00:22:15.000 When I was a little boy in New York City in the 1940s, we swam in the Hudson River and it was filled with raw sewage, okay?

00:22:23.000 We swam in raw sewage, you know, to cool off.

00:22:29.000 And at that time, the big fear was polio.

00:22:31.000 Thousands of kids died from polio every year.

00:22:34.000 But you know something?

00:22:35.000 In my neighborhood, no one ever got polio.

00:22:37.000 No one.

00:22:37.000 Ever.

00:22:38.000 You know why?

00:22:39.000 Because we swam in raw sewage.

00:22:42.000 It strengthened our immune systems.

00:22:45.000 The polio never had a prayer. 1.00

00:22:46.000 We were tempered in raw shit. 1.00

00:22:51.000 So... 0.99

00:22:52.000 So personally, I never take any special precautions against germs.

00:22:56.000 I don't shy away from people who sneeze and cough.

00:22:58.000 I don't wipe off the telephone.

00:23:00.000 I don't cover the toilet seat.

00:23:01.000 And if I drop food on the floor, I pick it up and eat it!

00:23:04.000 And you know something?

00:23:04.000 In spite of all that so-called risky behavior, I never get infections.

00:23:08.000 I don't get them.

00:23:09.000 I don't get colds.

00:23:10.000 I don't get flu.

00:23:10.000 I don't get headaches.

00:23:11.000 I don't get upset stomachs.

00:23:12.000 And you know why?

00:23:13.000 Because I got a good, strong immune system and it gets a lot of practice.

00:23:17.000 My immune system is equipped with the biological equivalent of fully automatic military assault rifles with night vision and laser scopes.

00:23:25.000 And we have recently acquired phosphorus grenades, cluster bombs, and anti-personnel fragmentation mines.

00:23:31.000 So, when my white blood cells are on patrol reconnoitering my bloodstream, seeking out strangers and other undesirables, if they see any, ANY It's a funny clip, but is there some truth in it?

00:23:52.000 Absolutely.

00:23:53.000 It's accurate.

00:23:54.000 I was lucky enough to fall in love with a man who lives out on 40 acres out in rural Oregon, out in wine country, right before this pandemic hit.

00:24:03.000 And so I was quarantined out here at the beginning and we've fallen in love and we're going to get married and everything's great.

00:24:08.000 And I now live out in the country, but I have always been a city girl and a suburban girl.

00:24:12.000 And when I came out of the chute, literally my mother's womb, I was put on antibiotics and I was, I spent the first part of my life on antibiotics.

00:24:20.000 And I was a very, very sick person.

00:24:22.000 That is why I'm so passionate about everything I'm telling you.

00:24:25.000 Because I single handedly built my health back and it took a long time to do.

00:24:29.000 So I'm a proponent of people building their health and I really, really try to be a cheerleader for that because I've been there.

00:24:35.000 The kids out in farmland don't get sick.

00:24:38.000 Because they're out in the dirt all day.

00:24:40.000 Even with all the...

00:24:40.000 I'm shocked, actually, to tell you the truth.

00:24:42.000 With all the glyphosate they spray out here, it's shocking how much pesticides and herbicides are sprayed.

00:24:48.000 And I watch it happen and cringe knowing what I know.

00:24:51.000 They are still the most rugged, durable folks I've ever met.

00:24:55.000 Good common sense, good immune systems.

00:24:58.000 When I met my...

00:25:00.000 And I really believe, and we do have studies to show this, we share our microbiomes.

00:25:04.000 So if we are surrounded by...

00:25:07.000 Very sick people.

00:25:08.000 The chances are, we're probably going to end up being pretty sick ourselves.

00:25:12.000 And so I'm always looking for healthy people to share my biome with.

00:25:16.000 That's, that's kind of my thing.

00:25:18.000 And when I met my...

00:25:19.000 You tried to date men who are really poor hygiene.

00:25:24.000 Just good, rugged men that take care of themselves.

00:25:27.000 But when I met my fiance, I was like, oh, this one, I told my mom, I said, this one has a good microbiome.

00:25:32.000 And she laughs at me because she thinks, she believes me, but she thinks I'm so funny the way I say things.

00:25:36.000 It's true, though. 0.82

00:25:37.000 They've done studies in families.

00:25:39.000 You give one person an antibiotic in the family and the whole family's microbiome in that home will shift.

00:25:45.000 So there's, there's a lot.

00:25:46.000 And, you know, the gut is so critical to people's overall health, just not to get off topic, but that's really where being dirty or helps.

00:25:55.000 Getting, getting dirty is helpful because you end up ingesting it.

00:25:58.000 And what happens in the gut really kind of dictates what happens throughout the rest of the body's immune system, because the bulk of your immune system is centered in the gut.

00:26:06.000 And so it's, you know, we've got so many people in this country with bad gut health and IBS and, you know, myriad of other conditions for so many reasons.

00:26:14.000 And so the virus likes to latch on there, too.

00:26:16.000 Lots of ACE2 receptors in an inflamed gut.

00:26:19.000 And that, I think, is leading to a lot of issues for people that we're not talking about as well.

00:26:25.000 Let's say that you were on antibiotics for a while.

00:26:29.000 It wrecks your gut biome or you've been eating a lot of glyphosate, which also wrecks your...

00:26:36.000 Does that mean that you have to stay on probiotics for the rest of your life, or can you just eat some sauerkraut and then it restores it and the ecosystem is now good forever?

00:26:48.000 I think it depends on the person and how their overall health is.

00:26:52.000 I think people who have good muscle mass and who are active will tend to recover better who have good sleep because that helps your human growth hormone levels come up and your human growth hormone levels are what heal your gut.

00:27:03.000 So we don't always want to do high dose probiotics with everybody as a blanket strategy.

00:27:08.000 It doesn't always work and it can make things worse for some.

00:27:10.000 So it's very individualized.

00:27:12.000 But I do think that Focusing on one's gut health is a good strategy for longevity and good health, regardless of where they're at.

00:27:19.000 If they've spent a lot of time on antibiotics, folks like myself, I don't have a great gut.

00:27:24.000 I have some gut issues, but I work really hard.

00:27:26.000 I'm just very conscious of what I put in my mouth and I eat really quality food.

00:27:31.000 I don't eat a ton of it and I make sure that it is pesticide and I'm chemical free as much as I can.

00:27:38.000 And again, we do the best we can because not everybody has access to that type of option.

00:27:42.000 So we want to just make sure people are eating real food.

00:27:44.000 But I can say that eating something that's highly processed in a package, regardless of what it says on the label, if it says organic, gluten free, paleo, who cares if it's highly processed and it's in a package is probably not great for your gut health.

00:27:57.000 And so just, you know, focusing on a variety.

00:28:00.000 I like to say eat a variety of interesting foods that would be interesting for your microbiome.

00:28:04.000 You want to feed your microbiome.

00:28:06.000 You want to focus on it that way.

00:28:07.000 You want to eat the foods that it wants so that it will do its thing magically.

00:28:11.000 If you eat foods that the pathogenic bugs like, like sugar, then you'll grow more pathogenic bugs.

00:28:18.000 It's just like your garden, right?

00:28:19.000 If you weed the garden and you don't plant ground cover, those weeds are going to come back even stronger.

00:28:24.000 And so it's much like tending a garden.

00:28:28.000 One of my favorite books is by Jared Dunn.

00:28:31.000 You know that book?

00:28:33.000 I don't.

00:28:34.000 Guns, Germs, and Steel.

00:28:36.000 Oh! 0.60

00:28:37.000 Really, really wonderful book.

00:28:39.000 It's about the history of, essentially, the history of the human race.

00:28:42.000 And there's another book that came out of an article that Jared Diamond wrote called Sapiens.

00:28:49.000 Oh, I have that book!

00:28:51.000 Yeah, one of the things, you really need to read Jared Diamond's book, which is Guns, Germs, and Steel, which is one of the most transformative books I've ever read.

00:29:00.000 It's a favorite of all my kids, and it's really an extraordinary distillation of all of these different branches of biology and history and geology and climate, etc., to explain human politics and human history.

00:29:19.000 One of the kind of surprising things in this paper that was later adopted into the book Sapiens is the decline in quality of life and human health and stature and size that took place during the agricultural revolution because I always think of The agricultural revolution has a period in human history that really made quality of life better for human beings and made it so that you were

00:29:49.000 less likely to be killed by a lion or a snake and that you had a steady food supply, less likely to starve to death and better nutrition.

00:29:59.000 But actually, what he says is that human nutrition really declined precipitously because Hunter-gatherers were eating a variety of foods, and that variety was really, you know, 0.89

00:30:14.000 the micronutrients in that variety, where they were eating different things all year, they were foraging, they were hunting, they had all these different food sources that they had to find, and that when they switched to a monoculture and eliminated that variety in their food supply, out of all of these human health Chronic diseases and other diseases really date on that period in human history.

00:30:43.000 And it was kind of revelatory to me that, you know, the agricultural revolution was not only was lower quality of life, kind of a lower level of happiness, but also and contentment.

00:30:56.000 And he makes a very, very good case.

00:30:58.000 It's really fun to read those two books.

00:31:01.000 But I would begin with Gunn's Germs To look at the agricultural revolution, really, as a period in human history when the quality of life and human health declined precipitously.

00:31:13.000 I would agree with that.

00:31:15.000 I've learned that that was when arthritis started showing up, osteoarthritis started showing up in the, you know, when we started digging up bones, looking at humans throughout history, that the agricultural revolution, when people hunkered down and started monocropping and eating a lot of grains, is when we started seeing really bad osteoarthritis creep up.

00:31:35.000 So, interesting.

00:31:37.000 And I agree with you.

00:31:38.000 I'm definitely more of a primal medicine kind of gal.

00:31:41.000 I think that we should eat and source foods that we would normally find in that society, i.e.

00:31:48.000 sugar.

00:31:49.000 When would we ever take down a beehive?

00:31:52.000 Probably not that often.

00:31:54.000 So, honey as a daily staple, probably not a great idea.

00:31:58.000 You know, copious amounts of fruit every day, etc.

00:32:01.000 I don't think we would find that in a hunter-gatherer society.

00:32:03.000 We'd probably find healthy fats coming off of wild animals and berries more often than not.

00:32:10.000 And obviously seasonal, too.

00:32:12.000 So those are all considerations to think about, that I think about, and I try to share with my patients.

00:32:18.000 Eating seasonally, even down to, I've read some information about folks eating closer to their ethnicity and their ethnic roots.

00:32:25.000 So eating closer to where they came from, because that's the biome, if they were descendants of, you know, and had moved here from another country, and then they adopted an entirely different diet, that's a huge shift in their microbiome that might not be as healthy as their native microbiome was.

00:32:41.000 And so all kinds of things.

00:32:43.000 For me, you're suggesting a six-pack and a potato.

00:32:45.000 Yeah, six-pack and a potato.

00:32:48.000 Yeah.

00:32:49.000 Yeah.

00:32:50.000 And we have a culture of people who think that eating food off of, you know, out of McDonald's drive-through windows is adequate.

00:32:59.000 And it just...

00:33:00.000 And I'm not shaming anyone.

00:33:02.000 I just don't understand the part where Instincts turned off.

00:33:06.000 I think instincts are so critical, and you can't get your instincts on unless you're eating well.

00:33:11.000 If you're eating well, you're moving well, and you're sleeping well, instinctually, you start to make better choices.

00:33:17.000 And I think folks have just been so... 0.99

00:33:19.000 I always have said long before this pandemic, and I've said it to my mom, we're easier to control if we're slow, sick, and dumb. 0.86

00:33:25.000 And so the hijacking chemicals that are put into fast food, junk food, etc., hijacks people's dopamine circuits. 0.94

00:33:35.000 Fear hijacks people's dopamine circuits.

00:33:37.000 I mean, it's a perfect storm.

00:33:39.000 I feel like this was set up really nicely leading into this pandemic.

00:33:45.000 Dr.

00:33:45.000 Tina, thank you so much for joining me today.

00:33:50.000 Tell people where they can find you.

00:33:51.000 I know you have a lot of followers on Instagram.

00:33:54.000 Where else can they find you and support your work?

00:33:58.000 Yeah, so Instagram is where I mainly am at, and then DrTina.com, it's D-R-T-Y-N-A, and that's where all my goods are. 0.97

00:34:06.000 And how are you listed on Instagram?

00:34:10.000 Same way, D-R-T-Y-N-A. Thank you very much, Dr. 1.00

00:34:14.000 Tina.

RFK Jr. The Defender - April 08, 2021

Immunity and Obesity with Dr Tyna Moore

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