In this episode, Dr. Kelly talks about the current pandemic in the world of vitamin D and how it has impacted the lives of millions of people around the world. She also talks about her own experience with the pandemic and how she and others have been targeted by the federal government and the FDA for their role in bringing awareness to the problem. She also shares how she has managed to stay on the front lines of the fight against this pandemic, and what she is doing to make people more resilient to the new strains of the virus that are sweeping across the globe. This episode is a must listen! If you like what you hear here, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and other podcasting platforms. We appreciate your support and look forward to hearing from you soon! Timestamps: 1:00:00 - What is a pandemic? 2:30 - Why is it important to have access to vitamin D 3:15 - How vitamin D is the key to resilience 4:40 - How to deal with the new pandemic 5:20 - What can we do to protect ourselves? 6:00 What is the best way to prevent getting sick? 7:20 8:15 9:30 Why is vitamin D important? 11:00- How to protect yourself? 12:30- What are you going to do? 13:15- How can we be resilient? 14:40 15: What is your role? 16:40- Why do you need vitamin D? 17:50 - How can I know what I m going to help me help you be more resilient 17 - How do I know I m not enough? 18:50- What s your immune system? 19:30 What s my role in this epidemic? 21:20- Why I m here to help you help me become more resilient in the next pandemic ? 22:00 Is there a cure for this epidemic 23: What do I need to do with this virus? 25:00 Do you need to get more vitamin D ? 26:00 How do you know you re not enough vitamin D to get better? 27:00 Can I get more of this vitamin D in my body? 29:10 - Why do I have enough of this virus in my blood?
00:02:01.000I had a friend who was under investigation, we believe, for even saying vitamin C and COVID in the same post.
00:02:08.000And so I was watching my friends get deplatformed and get in trouble immediately at the onset.
00:02:15.000And so I've had to navigate this very carefully.
00:02:17.000We are obviously not allowed to talk about treatment prevention or cure, but I just was, I cannot believe that we weren't even allowed to tell people to high dose vitamin D and vitamin C at the beginning.
00:02:29.000So I feel like something was awry when that all started happening.
00:02:33.000I realize we shouldn't be peddling snake oil and unfounded cures, but basic physiology, basic biochemistry, basic nutrition.
00:02:42.000We know that people who are nutritionally poor or have low nutritional status, not only do they get sicker and die faster from these types of viruses, but they also still Create more virulent strains and spread more virulent strains as do obese people and I thought for sure that this information would come out from the powers that be and we would get some common sense but that didn't happen and so my Instagram following grew very quickly and I was getting information from doctors and nurses on the front lines all
00:03:12.000all over the world in real time and hearing about what was going on.
00:03:16.000And very quickly, we realized that the obese population, those with diabetes and subsequently with kidney issues were at most risk.
00:03:24.000And I thought, well, for sure, they're going to come out and say, this is how you can empower yourself and help yourself be more resilient to this virus.
00:03:35.000And so I've been quietly and carefully trying to navigate this without breaking any rules.
00:03:42.000and trying to help people become more resilient because we're not sitting ducks.
00:03:46.000And so I've been frustrated, very frustrated, and then watching subsequently folks such as yourself and brilliant doctors just be silenced over and over and over again.
00:03:57.000Obviously, there's some truth out there that doesn't want to be let out.
00:04:35.00085-95% of the people who were first being hospitalized and then dying were people who were vitamin D deficient.
00:04:42.000People with darker skin color or chronically vitamin D deficient were having these death rates that were disproportionately high compared to the rest of the population.
00:04:54.000Why wasn't he telling people of color You need to supplement with vitamin D. You need to stop drinking sugar drinks.
00:05:23.000And yet, you know, it seems like anything that was not vaccine track, anything that would distract people from vaccine is my only salvation, was being silenced by these vested interests,
00:05:40.000as you point out, the Justice Department, the FTC. All of these diverse federal agencies were all in on this weird mission to stop people from finding any solution other than vaccines,
00:05:56.000including pharmaceutical solutions like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, which, you know, Whether you believe that they work or not, and the peer-reviewed science overwhelmingly says they do, the kind of studies that Tony Fauci and Bill Gates were commissioning are the studies that we know were designed to discredit them.
00:06:23.000Oh, they were studies that targeted, you know, late onset in the disease when people were already in the hospital.
00:06:29.000They used four or five times the lethal doses.
00:06:33.000They used placebos that were effective in order to dampen the effectiveness signals.
00:06:40.000And, you know, these are all old tricks that we see from the pharmaceutical industry.
00:06:51.000It was really, it was diabolical, I would say.
00:06:55.000It was so interesting to watch it play out too, because they would throw up a study and say vitamin D and zinc don't work.
00:07:02.000But we know as physicians who have been treating patients for in real life, that oftentimes nutritional status takes a while to come up and you can't just throw nutrients at people in isolation and expect them to work.
00:07:16.000Oftentimes these things work synergistically.
00:07:18.000And so It takes time for nutritional status to come up.
00:07:22.000The body cannot just absorb massive aliquots of vitamin D and zinc all at the same time on the cellular level.
00:07:27.000They've got to actually be absorbed over time.
00:07:30.000I was so severely zinc deficient that it took me 10 years of high dosing zinc to actually get to the point where I was no longer experiencing zinc deficiency symptoms.
00:07:40.000So this isn't just an overnight phenomenon.
00:07:42.000Those who are obese actually have a harder time absorbing vitamin D and getting their vitamin D status up.
00:07:47.000As you said, people of color and darker skin tone have a hard time absorbing and getting their vitamin D status up.
00:07:52.000People who are inflamed All the people who are most at risk for this virus and poor outcomes from it, I should say, have a harder time getting nutritional status up.
00:08:04.000And then as far as the drugs went, I found studies very early on in this where different countries were working together to share their cocktail of drugs they were using.
00:08:14.000And so again, I think sometimes these drugs work synergistically with one another, not just high doses and isolation.
00:08:20.000That's really where naturopathic medicine, I would say, shines, is we understand that concept.
00:08:24.000We're trying to, we're not interested in a symptom picture that has a, you know, CPT code on it.
00:08:30.000We're interested, or sorry, an ICD-9 code, or ICD-10 code now.
00:08:34.000We're interested in the person who's presenting with the symptoms, so we treat the people, not the condition.
00:08:39.000And there's a million reasons why somebody is going to have a difficult time with a virus.
00:08:45.000But like you said, blanket distribution of vitamin D, which caused what how much does that cost like a penny, a pill and zinc?
00:08:53.000I mean, I thought this stuff should have been subsidized and released.
00:08:57.000And I was getting information from folks who lived in Peru and other places telling me that they were being handed ivermectin prophylactically.
00:09:04.000They were being given like little goodie bags just in case they were starting to come down with symptoms so that they didn't overwhelm the hospital system and just not a word of it in the United States.
00:09:15.000And yet everything I followed from the American Medical Association and watching Medscape daily, the emails that came through.
00:09:23.000it was almost like they were trying to villainize it in real time and just say, you know, it just doesn't work.
00:09:27.000It's like, well, yeah, if you throw somebody who's heading towards a ventilator, who's really sick on a high dose of vitamin D, it's not a miracle.
00:09:34.000It's not going to, of course, it's not going to work.
00:09:36.000And so it's like common sense left the building completely, right?
00:09:39.000It's like we forgot how A, viruses work, and how B, humans work, and how herds work, how viruses move through herds.
00:09:49.000And we were treating this virus like it was some kind of alien, when in reality it fits into a family of viruses we understand well.
00:09:56.000So that whole part has just been very frustrating for me.
00:10:00.000One of the things you just mentioned surprised me a little, which is This idea that people who are obese and people who have these other comorbidities actually become reservoirs for mutant strains, is that just because there's a lot of activity, a viral activity, what they call inoculum, which is, you know, a large presence of very dense masses of the virus.
00:10:46.000So the higher the virus titer count in the body, the more infectious somebody is.
00:10:51.000We know from flu studies, even more recent flu studies, That obese bodies, this was in mice and humans, they found that obese bodies not only spread more virus around, but they spread it for longer periods of time and more comes out in their aerosol.
00:11:08.000And very early on in the pandemic, there was some literature that I saw, letters to the editor of different medical journals saying, hey, maybe we should consider this and maybe we should consider quarantining obese folks because If they're symptomatic and quarantining them for longer than 14 days because we know these facts about the flu and obesity.
00:11:26.000We also know in mouse studies that when a virus goes through the body, since it uses your own body to manufacture itself, it creates a different, a little bit different version that comes out, right?
00:11:38.000And generally, as a virus moves through a society of mammals, it becomes kinder and gentler because the body is processing it and doing different things to it, right?
00:11:48.000Well, in the obese model, out comes a very different virus.
00:11:52.000And so in these mice they looked at, the obese mice were creating more virulent strains that actually created more morbidity or illness symptoms in lean counterparts.
00:12:03.000And so just recently, there's some data coming out that this might be true as well for this virus.
00:12:10.000And so that alone should have been a conversation.
00:12:15.000And every time I try to mention it, someone wants to cut my head off and accuse me of fat shaming or a million other horrible words.
00:12:20.000When I'm literally just trying to share information that can empower a person to take their health into their own hands, stop sitting around, you know, We've gained how much weight since the pandemic started?
00:12:32.000I think the average American's gained, like, what, 20, 30 pounds, a recent survey said.
00:12:38.000I was simply trying to give people information to empower themselves to take to make changes, you know, small incremental changes add up quickly.
00:12:47.000Also, and I don't you know, it's, it can go deep down the rabbit hole here, but your fat cells are little reservoirs for your immune system as well.
00:12:55.000So your immune system is housed in the adipocyte, which is your fat cell and fat cells, generally speaking, when in an obese body become generally speaking become I'm going to go.
00:13:26.000The T cells that are living in fat cells become sort of rogue, and they're not so nice, and it basically turns into a little bit of a nightmare.
00:13:36.000The T memory cells, which is the one cell we're banking on here, whether vaccinated or natural immunity, we are banking on T memory cells for long-term immunity to this.
00:13:45.000T memory cells in the obese body don't work.
00:13:50.000And from what I found in my studies, it's irreversible.
00:13:54.000And so that's not that was short term, though.
00:13:57.000So we don't know, I don't want to, you know, blow the wind out of everyone's sails and tell them they're doomed.
00:14:01.000But a fat cell can do some pretty crazy things to your immune system cells, and then they don't work right.
00:14:07.000And it's the overall harmony of the orchestra of the immune system that we need working.
00:14:12.000Because this virus bypasses the first part of your immune system pretty well like a ninja.
00:14:17.000Communication lines in inflamed and obese people and sickly people and malnourished people don't work between the frontline army and the Navy SEALs.
00:14:25.000I don't really know military as well as some, so don't fry me on this, but there should be a communication line.
00:14:31.000That's a bit broken in bodies that are not healthy.
00:14:34.000And then over here, we have the specialized forces that maintain long-term immunity.
00:14:38.000Those are not working so well in malnourished people.
00:14:44.000The people most susceptible to poor outcomes of this virus.
00:14:48.000These are also the same types of patients or people who don't respond well to vaccines.
00:14:53.000So my whole thing was not necessarily pro-vax or anti-vax.
00:14:57.000It was just informed consent in that either way you want to approach this as an individual in this pandemic, you've got to have resiliency.
00:15:05.000You've got to have your body working favorably and your nutritional status up.
00:15:09.000So that either your natural immunity or your induced immunity through immunizations, either way, they're not going to work if we continue to be as sick as we are as a nation.
00:15:22.000Having a very particular time with this virus, which I saw coming from a mile away, because only 12% of us are metabolically sound.
00:15:29.00088% of us are not metabolically sound.
00:15:32.000And it's the metabolic flexibility that this virus is taking advantage of.
00:15:36.000When people don't have metabolic flexibility and they're sitting in this sort of like pre-diabetic or diabetic soup, they have a very hard time dealing with this and with the whole viral onset.
00:15:47.000That's the pickle we're in, and I'm just really confused that this hasn't been discussed in mainstream media or anywhere else, for that matter, and that the small core of us freedom fighters trying to get the message out continually get attacked, villainified, and censored.
00:16:02.000And it's left me in a stupor, to be honest.
00:16:08.000What you're saying is, if you were the head of the National Institute for Allergic Infectious Diseases, You probably would have given the nation a different prescription than what Anthony Fauci gave the nation.
00:16:24.000You know, that's one of my kind of, you know, just a basic question about the science that was used, you know, that was never cited to support the lockdowns and masking and social distancing.
00:16:39.000Is it possible that those safeguards Actually made the problem worse.
00:16:48.000Locking people in their homes and keeping them out of the sunlight and keeping them away from social interaction and putting them under the stress of enduring bankruptcies and spousal abuse and suicides and all this stuff.
00:17:04.000And then gaining weight and ruining their health.
00:17:12.000I don't think that we have the data to support that.
00:17:15.000No, I think that lockdowns were a terrible idea, the way that they were done.
00:17:21.000I think there could have been a different version of that.
00:17:23.000I think that the susceptible could have been protected better.
00:17:26.000I believe that people thought that the mask would save them, and so perhaps people who were at high risk took Risks that they shouldn't have taken.
00:17:35.000I've seen several people out in the community that, you know, you look at them and you think that is exactly the type of person who is a sitting duck for poor outcomes with this virus.
00:17:45.000And here they are sitting in the middle of a restaurant, you know, with even I've seen older folks with oxygen on.
00:17:51.000The other thing that fits in with what you just said is frailty has really come to the forefront as A big concern.
00:17:58.000Those folks, regardless of size or weight or age or gender, those folks who are most frail are the ones who are doing the poorest with the virus.
00:18:07.000And so let's take exercise out of the picture.
00:19:00.000And no one's really talking about it because everybody's so hung up on what happened in Portland and with the riots, etc.
00:19:07.000And so you let people out for a small amount of time and they've been completely isolated.
00:19:13.000They probably been eating high qualities or quantities of sugar.
00:19:15.000They've not been exercising and their immune systems are tanked out because they've been isolated.
00:19:20.000And so, of course, the minute they come upon anybody, viruses will hop to host viruses always have to find they don't want to kill their host, they want to find a host so they can spread.
00:19:29.000And so they're going to keep hopping to the next host that shows up and you let these folks out.
00:19:34.000And of course, we're going to see cases rise up.
00:19:37.000And then PCR testing is a whole other conversation we don't have to get into, but I do believe it's flawed.
00:19:43.000I don't believe it's been terribly accurate and helpful.
00:19:46.000But it drives the case number up, which the media loves to latch on to, to keep that fear narrative going.
00:19:52.000And so the whole thing is, I don't know why some of us can see it and others...
00:19:57.000I want to absolutely deny it and fight us on it, but I'm sitting here watching it all play.
00:20:02.000I wish I had a dollar for every prediction I've made correctly throughout this.
00:20:07.000I'd be rich because I'm like, well, this is what's going to happen next, and boom, it happens next.
00:20:13.000And so now Oregon is saying, well, because we really haven't been out and about, because we've been under so much isolation, now we can't let you out.
00:20:23.000So now we have to really push those vaccines so that everybody gets up to snuff because they've tanked out our immune systems through locking us down.
00:20:32.000I'm going to show you a clip from George Carlin.
00:20:37.000Now, I'm going to, David's going to put that in, but you know the clip I'm talking about.
00:20:42.000So, George Conlin has this famous clip where he talks about how the people like him who grew up in the Bronx and swam at the Hudson River, where there was Ross who went into the Hudson River, they're the only ones in his neighborhood that didn't get polio.
00:21:00.000They're always willing to trade away a little of their freedom in exchange for the feeling, the illusion of security.
00:21:07.000What we have now is a completely neurotic population obsessed with security and safety and crime and drugs and cleanliness and hygiene And germs.
00:21:34.000So now everybody's running around scrubbing this and spraying that and overcooking their food and repeatedly washing their hands, trying to avoid all contact with germs.
00:21:42.000What do you think you have an immune system for?
00:23:13.000Because I got a good, strong immune system and it gets a lot of practice.
00:23:17.000My immune system is equipped with the biological equivalent of fully automatic military assault rifles with night vision and laser scopes.
00:23:25.000And we have recently acquired phosphorus grenades, cluster bombs, and anti-personnel fragmentation mines.
00:23:31.000So, when my white blood cells are on patrol reconnoitering my bloodstream, seeking out strangers and other undesirables, if they see any, ANY It's a funny clip, but is there some truth in it?
00:23:54.000I was lucky enough to fall in love with a man who lives out on 40 acres out in rural Oregon, out in wine country, right before this pandemic hit.
00:24:03.000And so I was quarantined out here at the beginning and we've fallen in love and we're going to get married and everything's great.
00:24:08.000And I now live out in the country, but I have always been a city girl and a suburban girl.
00:24:12.000And when I came out of the chute, literally my mother's womb, I was put on antibiotics and I was, I spent the first part of my life on antibiotics.
00:25:46.000And, you know, the gut is so critical to people's overall health, just not to get off topic, but that's really where being dirty or helps.
00:25:55.000Getting, getting dirty is helpful because you end up ingesting it.
00:25:58.000And what happens in the gut really kind of dictates what happens throughout the rest of the body's immune system, because the bulk of your immune system is centered in the gut.
00:26:06.000And so it's, you know, we've got so many people in this country with bad gut health and IBS and, you know, myriad of other conditions for so many reasons.
00:26:14.000And so the virus likes to latch on there, too.
00:26:16.000Lots of ACE2 receptors in an inflamed gut.
00:26:19.000And that, I think, is leading to a lot of issues for people that we're not talking about as well.
00:26:25.000Let's say that you were on antibiotics for a while.
00:26:29.000It wrecks your gut biome or you've been eating a lot of glyphosate, which also wrecks your...
00:26:36.000Does that mean that you have to stay on probiotics for the rest of your life, or can you just eat some sauerkraut and then it restores it and the ecosystem is now good forever?
00:26:48.000I think it depends on the person and how their overall health is.
00:26:52.000I think people who have good muscle mass and who are active will tend to recover better who have good sleep because that helps your human growth hormone levels come up and your human growth hormone levels are what heal your gut.
00:27:03.000So we don't always want to do high dose probiotics with everybody as a blanket strategy.
00:27:08.000It doesn't always work and it can make things worse for some.
00:27:12.000But I do think that Focusing on one's gut health is a good strategy for longevity and good health, regardless of where they're at.
00:27:19.000If they've spent a lot of time on antibiotics, folks like myself, I don't have a great gut.
00:27:24.000I have some gut issues, but I work really hard.
00:27:26.000I'm just very conscious of what I put in my mouth and I eat really quality food.
00:27:31.000I don't eat a ton of it and I make sure that it is pesticide and I'm chemical free as much as I can.
00:27:38.000And again, we do the best we can because not everybody has access to that type of option.
00:27:42.000So we want to just make sure people are eating real food.
00:27:44.000But I can say that eating something that's highly processed in a package, regardless of what it says on the label, if it says organic, gluten free, paleo, who cares if it's highly processed and it's in a package is probably not great for your gut health.
00:27:57.000And so just, you know, focusing on a variety.
00:28:00.000I like to say eat a variety of interesting foods that would be interesting for your microbiome.
00:28:51.000Yeah, one of the things, you really need to read Jared Diamond's book, which is Guns, Germs, and Steel, which is one of the most transformative books I've ever read.
00:29:00.000It's a favorite of all my kids, and it's really an extraordinary distillation of all of these different branches of biology and history and geology and climate, etc., to explain human politics and human history.
00:29:19.000One of the kind of surprising things in this paper that was later adopted into the book Sapiens is the decline in quality of life and human health and stature and size that took place during the agricultural revolution because I always think of The agricultural revolution has a period in human history that really made quality of life better for human beings and made it so that you were
00:29:49.000less likely to be killed by a lion or a snake and that you had a steady food supply, less likely to starve to death and better nutrition.
00:29:59.000But actually, what he says is that human nutrition really declined precipitously because Hunter-gatherers were eating a variety of foods, and that variety was really, you know,
00:30:14.000the micronutrients in that variety, where they were eating different things all year, they were foraging, they were hunting, they had all these different food sources that they had to find, and that when they switched to a monoculture and eliminated that variety in their food supply, out of all of these human health Chronic diseases and other diseases really date on that period in human history.
00:30:43.000And it was kind of revelatory to me that, you know, the agricultural revolution was not only was lower quality of life, kind of a lower level of happiness, but also and contentment.
00:30:58.000It's really fun to read those two books.
00:31:01.000But I would begin with Gunn's Germs To look at the agricultural revolution, really, as a period in human history when the quality of life and human health declined precipitously.
00:31:15.000I've learned that that was when arthritis started showing up, osteoarthritis started showing up in the, you know, when we started digging up bones, looking at humans throughout history, that the agricultural revolution, when people hunkered down and started monocropping and eating a lot of grains, is when we started seeing really bad osteoarthritis creep up.
00:32:12.000So those are all considerations to think about, that I think about, and I try to share with my patients.
00:32:18.000Eating seasonally, even down to, I've read some information about folks eating closer to their ethnicity and their ethnic roots.
00:32:25.000So eating closer to where they came from, because that's the biome, if they were descendants of, you know, and had moved here from another country, and then they adopted an entirely different diet, that's a huge shift in their microbiome that might not be as healthy as their native microbiome was.