Dr. Paul Thomas is a medical hero in Portland, Oregon. He runs a clinic that takes patients who vaccinate, and takes those who don t. He doesn't make a judgment or have a threshold. He does research, he makes data, and he makes informed consent decisions based on which vaccine is best for each patient. And yet, the Oregon Medical Board has now suspended Dr. Thomas for practicing "informed consent" in his practice. In this episode, we talk about why this should not be a problem, and why he should be allowed to continue practicing his unique approach to care for patients who don't need to get any vaccines at all. We also talk about his new book, "Vaccine Friendly Plan: An Alternative to the Vaccine-Friendly Schedule," and why the Board is wrong about his approach to vaccination and the benefits it brings to his patients and patients' health. Jeremy R. Hammond is an investigative reporter and a foreign policy expert. He has been writing about the CIA for years, and is a regular contributor to the New York Times, and has been a long-time friend of The Daily Beast. and The Huffington Post. He's also a frequent contributor to The Daily Mail, and the New Yorker, and The Globe and Mail, among other publications. He's a writer, and an avid reader of conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories and exposes the dark side of the world. Jeremy is a friend of mine, and a good friend of the CIA and MI5. , and I'm so glad to have him on the podcast, The Dark Side of the Dark Side Of. . and I hope you enjoy this episode. Thank you for listening to this one, Jeremy! - Tom Petoskey, I really appreciate your support and your support of my work, and I really do appreciate it. - Your support is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Jeremy - Elyssa, I appreciate you, Erika, EJ, Ej, E.J., EJ., and I love you, I'm not joking. EJ. - Thank you EJ and EJ is a great guy, too, I know you, too. -- Thank you very much, Jon, Jonothan, Jonestown, John R. M. and I appreciate it, Jon R. R. S. and Jon S. B. Condon, Jon Taffer, and Jon's advice is so much so much.
00:00:02.000Jeremy Hammond, my friend who's an investigative reporter and a, I would say, a foreign policy expert and a now a kind of Tom Petoskey, Michigan, an amazing reporter, an amazing writer, and I love all the books that you have behind you.
00:00:23.000I just wish I could spend a day in that library and I could see your interest in the The CIA and intelligence agencies and all of the other things that you've been writing about for many years.
00:00:37.000But today I wanted to talk to you about Paul Thomas, about Dr.
00:00:40.000Paul Thomas, because you've just done an article.
00:00:42.000And Jeremy, tell us where your website is so that people can visit you.
00:01:53.000Yes, that study was published on November 22nd, just not that long ago, several months ago.
00:01:58.000And what they did is they looked at his patient data.
00:02:00.000They looked at all patients born into his practice.
00:02:02.000And so that was, you know, they didn't want to confound the study by including patients who had come from other practices.
00:02:07.000You know, they really wanted to look at patients who had only been in a practice that respects informed consent, as opposed to practices where they had been expelled for not following the CDC's guidelines or where patients were coming to him who were already vaccine injured.
00:02:20.000And so they took those patients and they then also subdivided them into patients who are completely unvaccinated, never received any vaccines, and then looked at variably vaccinated individuals.
00:02:33.000So, you know, most of the patients in this practice were vaccinated, not according to the CDC schedule, however, they're just vaccinated.
00:02:40.000Everyone was making individual decisions about which vaccines they should get and the timing of the vaccines.
00:02:46.000Very individualized approach in his practice.
00:03:00.000I knew him as, you know, the author of the Vaccine Friendly Plan.
00:03:03.000So a book he published, I forget which year, 2016, maybe?
00:03:08.000And so in that book, he does lay out an alternative schedule.
00:03:13.000And this is one of the things that the board gets wrong, where they accuse him of pressuring patients to vaccinate according to this alternative schedule.
00:03:23.000Which completely misses the whole point of his approach, which is not like the vaccine friendly plan doesn't present an alternative one size fits all schedule.
00:03:34.000The whole idea is that it's just kind of like a guideline of, you know, this is an example of a way you could do it.
00:03:41.000Essentially, the main focus of the vaccine friendly plan is to reduce the exposure to aluminum and make sure you're spacing out aluminum containing vaccines.
00:03:48.000And if at all possible, choosing vaccines with lower aluminum content.
00:03:55.000And so really the concept of the book and the concept of his practice in integrative medicine, integrative pediatrics there in Portland, is individualized approach to vaccination.
00:04:06.000So, you know, taking each individual child, making informed consent decisions based on which vaccine, which disease, family medical history, things like this.
00:04:15.000So it's not, they're basically accusing him of an alternative one size fits all approach, which isn't at all what he does.
00:04:22.000And so they can't even get the concept of individualized medicine.
00:04:26.000You know, they're stuck in this mindset of one size fits all.
00:04:29.000And so they actually accuse him of something that's patently false, which is he doesn't pressure patients to accept the vaccine friendly plan.
00:04:52.000This is a study that the CDC has refused to do for 30 years ago.
00:04:59.000People from the medical freedom community have said, let's look at health outcomes in vaccinated children versus unvaccinated children and see if vaccinated children are actually healthier when you look at all the health outcomes than unvaccinated children, which of course is an essential claim.
00:05:21.000And this was a perfect natural experiment because he had in his practice people who were vaccinated.
00:05:28.000He had hundreds of kids who were unvaccinated.
00:05:32.000Hundreds of kids who took kind of a middle course, which was some kind of melange of his recommendations.
00:05:40.000And you could compare those three groups and you could look at health outcomes.
00:05:44.000This is something that is very, very dangerous to the health regulators in this country.
00:05:53.000I mean, it's understandable in a sense that the Oregon Medical Board held an emergency meeting days after that study was published.
00:06:02.000And the result was that they suspended his license.
00:06:05.000Now, the interesting thing is that the Medical Board had requested Dr.
00:06:09.000Paul to produce peer-reviewed evidence supporting his schedule.
00:06:13.000So, in other words, supporting his approach to vaccination.
00:06:16.000In other words, supporting his approach of obtaining informed consent as opposed to pressuring parents Into vaccinating according to the CDC schedule.
00:06:24.000So they had requested this data, he produced it, and then they suspended his license.
00:06:29.000So that tells us a lot about the position of the Oregon Medical Board and their approach and their rejection of science, their rejection of the data, and their approach is they need to, they have a policy goal of wanting to maintain high vaccination rates.
00:06:52.000I mean, that's right in the data because his unvaccinated kids, actually all the children in his practice, if you compare the data from even the vaccinated patients in his practice with national estimates for ADHD and autism, he's got a fifth The rate of autism in his practice compared to the CDC's estimate nationally.
00:07:16.000Same with the ADHD is much, much lower.
00:07:19.000Among his unvaccinated patients, there were zero cases of ADHD. And so this is what the study showed.
00:07:24.000It showed that the unvaccinated children were not sicker.
00:07:27.000They did not have worse health outcomes.
00:07:30.000In fact, they had better health outcomes, much lower rate of diagnoses of a broad range of chronic health What were the parameters?
00:07:44.000They were eye infections, ear infections, otitis, ADHD. They were respiratory infections.
00:08:01.000Just looking at the graph here, so asthma, allergic rhinitis, breathing issues, behavioral issues, ADHD, respiratory infection, botitis media, which is ear infections, ear pain, other infections, as in infections that, you know, not vaccine-preventable infections, eye disorders, eczema, dermatitis, hives, and anemia.
00:08:20.000So those were, you know, the outcomes that they showed.
00:08:23.000You know, they have a really stark graph in the paper showing that The incidence of office visits.
00:08:29.000So they actually developed a new measure In this study, a really important aspect of the study, most safety studies that look for signals in the data, like observational type studies, they use a measure of just incidents.
00:08:45.000So does the child have this diagnosis or not?
00:08:49.000So it's like this binary yes-no measure.
00:08:55.000Paul created a whole new measure, which is relative incidents of office visits.
00:09:02.000So they're not only looking at incidents of diagnosis, but they're looking at, you know, how much care did these children require for a particular diagnosis, which gives you information not only about whether they had, you know, like a chronic illness or not, But also, you know, what kind of health care, you know, did they require as a result?
00:09:21.000So it gives you more information about the severity of the illness.
00:09:24.000And so there was relative incidence of office visits.
00:09:27.000RIOV is the measure that they developed specifically for this study.
00:09:31.000And they show, you know, the graph showing relative incidence of office visits comparing unvaccinated versus the variably vaccinated children in his practice.
00:09:42.000The differences and how the, you know, the graph of the unvaccinated have such lower incidence of office visits for a broad range of health issues.
00:09:52.000And so this clearly strongly supports, you know, the conclusion that the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated children.
00:10:01.000I don't know if you're aware of the study that was the Morganson study of African children who took the DDP vaccine.
00:10:11.000This was a study that was done in 2017.
00:10:13.000For many years, the WHO and Bill Gates were claiming, you know, they give this DTP vaccine, which was discontinued in the United States in the 1980s because it was killing one out of every 300 children or giving them severe brain damage.
00:10:30.000That's the vaccine that caused the passage of the Vaccine Act because so many people were injured and they were suing the vaccine companies.
00:10:39.000The same EDP, their attempt to suppress the vaccine was discontinued in Europe.
00:10:45.000But Bill Gates and the WHO give it essentially to every African child.
00:10:52.000161 million kids get that vaccine every year.
00:10:56.000The Danish government, and what Gates says again and again, he says, we've saved 30 million lives with this vaccine.
00:11:06.000And the Danish government tried to verify that.
00:11:09.000And they said, we've heard this claim, but we're not actually seeing any study that verifies that claim.
00:11:19.000And so they went and they said, we're going to do a study that actually looks to see if whether these children have better health outcomes who get this vaccine.
00:11:29.000And they went to Guinea-Bissau and they found something like what you found, which was a perfect natural experiment.
00:11:39.000And Guinea-Bissau They have a state-of-the-art health clinic there.
00:11:47.000It's funded mainly by the Danish government, and that clinic for 30 years has been weighing every child at three months and weighing them again at six months.
00:11:58.000In the 80s, it began giving them this vaccine.
00:12:03.000But if the health workers arrived to vaccinate that child, And the child was not exactly three months old.
00:12:14.000They waited and they gave the vaccination to that child at the six-month visit.
00:12:19.000And as it turns out, they had 30 years of data where half the children in the country had gotten the vaccine at three months and half of them had not.
00:12:31.000And so they had this kind of perfect natural experiment because it was completely randomized.
00:12:37.000Of children between two months and five months old, half the kids in the country were vaccinated and half were not, and they were able to then go and look at health outcomes of those children.
00:12:48.000And what they found was that the children who were vaccinated were not getting diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis, as Bill Gates would predict.
00:12:58.000But the girls who got the vaccine were dying at 10 times the rate of children who were unvaccinated.
00:13:06.000And they weren't dying of any disease that anybody ever associated with vaccines.
00:13:12.000They were dying mainly of respiratory illnesses, pneumonia.
00:13:17.000They were dying of heart disease, anemia, sepsis, malaria, dysentery, and all this kind of this big menu of, you know, diseases that kids had in Africa.
00:13:29.000And nobody had ever noticed And it was only the vaccinated kids who were dying.
00:13:36.000The vaccine had protected these children against the target disease, but it had ruined their immune systems, and it had made them much more susceptible to these other diseases.
00:13:48.000A study, which was published in eBiopharma in January of 2017, and the lead author is Morgensen, but it has The kind of deities, you know, these very, very pro-vaccine scientists who did this study, including Peter A. Abe, who is like an icon of African vaccination studies.
00:14:09.000He has more peer-reviewed publications than anybody.
00:14:13.000It was financed partially by the Danish government and partially by the Staten Serum Institute, which is one of the biggest vaccine makers.
00:14:24.000It was done by very, very pro-vaccine forces, and yet it completely, utterly discredited this vaccine.
00:14:32.000And that's the problem that we've been trying to get CDC to do for decades, which is to not just look at how many kids you are vaccinated and using that as your metric of success, but actually looking at public health outcomes and saying, are our kids healthier?
00:14:53.000And when you start looking at that, the broader criteria are that we are in the middle of the worst chronic disease epidemic in human history.
00:15:23.000There's been a number of studies looking at that vaccine.
00:15:26.000That was one particular case where there was kind of this natural experiment.
00:15:29.000But there's been a number of studies, and the best science shows that the DTP vaccine is associated with an increased rate of childhood mortality because, just like you said, Even though it might protect children from the target diseases, it detrimentally affects their immune system in such a way as to make them more susceptible to other illnesses and they're dying from other causes.
00:15:47.000And so one of the big lesson from the DTP vaccine is that absent randomized placebo-controlled trials comparing long-term health outcomes, health outcomes, not just does it protect against the disease or not, the target disease or not, but health outcomes, including all-cause mortality, Any claim of vaccine safety and effectiveness is completely scientifically meaningless.
00:16:09.000And so, yeah, that's a really important lesson from those studies.
00:16:15.000That's why parents have been calling for the CDC to do a study, just comparing health outcomes between vaccinated children who receive the CDC schedule of vaccines and children who are completely unvaccinated.
00:16:26.000And of course, In the meantime, the Institute of Medicine, in fact, had called on the CDC to do such a study using the VSD, the Vaccine Safety Data Link.
00:16:38.000Which is, the CDC has a partnership with these healthcare institutions, and so they have this database that they can draw from, which is superior to looking at like VAERS data because of the underreporting to VAERS, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
00:16:51.000But the CDC is just, they're still studying how to do the study, because they're very hesitant to actually, you know, move forward with any kind of study.
00:17:01.000Well, they did a study once, which was the Mert-Sratin study, and And they studied the vaccine safety data link, which is the, it's nine HMOs on 9 million patients, and it has all their vaccine records and all their health insurance claims.
00:17:19.000So it's an easy thing to go in there and do a cluster analysis and look at the, you know, the relationships between, they have the vaccine records down to batch and lot number, and you can look at All of that data, and you can determine whether there's a relationship between certain vaccinations at certain ages and certain health outcomes.
00:17:44.000So they did a massive study in 1999, between 1999 and 2003, And they had a team led by a Belgian researcher called Thomas Erstrad.
00:18:01.000And they went in and they looked at it.
00:18:03.000And they actually, they looked at one health outcome.
00:18:06.000They looked at children who got an hepatitis B vaccine within their first 30 days of life.
00:18:13.000And they compared health outcomes with children who didn't.
00:18:17.000And they were looking at about five parameters that were all neurodevelopmental.
00:18:23.000So they didn't look at allergies and any of that stuff.
00:18:25.000But they looked at, and what they found was, they looked at ADD, ADHD, speech delays, sleep disorders, and autism.
00:18:37.000And they found that the kids who were vaccinated had an 1135% greater risk of autism diagnosis subsequently in life than the children who were not.
00:18:54.000What the CDC did at that point is it said we're never going to let anybody into this database who's independent and we are going to take the database.
00:19:04.000Congress ordered them to start that database so that they could look at vaccine safety.
00:19:11.000CDC took that database and they transferred ownership to a private group called the American Health Insurance Plan In order to make it, put it out of the reach of the freedom of information laws.
00:19:32.000And in fact, you know, only two independent scientists ever allowed in there were the Geyers and David and Michael Geier.
00:19:40.000And Congress had to repeatedly order CDC to, you know, this is a rogue agency, to open the database and let the Geyers in.
00:19:48.000And when the Geyers went in, They wouldn't let them copy anything.
00:19:54.000They made them do all their research in one room with pencils and to write down data.
00:20:01.000They heated the room to over 100 degrees to make it uncomfortable for the guys to stay in there.
00:20:08.000And then they, you know, they destroyed their hard drives and they stole materials from them and they just made it impossible.
00:20:18.000The Geyers still produced about 10 studies over time.
00:20:22.000And all of them show these horrific, horrific impacts on overall health outcomes in the vaccinated children when you compare them to unvaccinated.
00:20:38.000Jack's study in November, the one that was just published, that I want to point out is, you know, because one of the criticisms of this type of study would be observational studies by nature have, you know, high risk of selection biases.
00:20:54.000And so one of the arguments is that, because this isn't the first one that's been done, there was another one that was done based on a survey a few years back, and then Brian Hooker had done one.
00:21:03.000Again, looking at pediatric practices that practice informed consent and in finding, you know, higher rates of certain chronic health illnesses amongst the vaccinated children.
00:21:12.000So there has been a few, you know, independent journalists or independent scientists have kind of, you know, while the CDC is still spinning its wheels on this, they have kind of ventured into this realm of doing vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies.
00:21:26.000And one of the criticisms is that, well, you know, that the argument is made that, well, it's because these parents who don't vaccinate They just have different healthcare behaviors.
00:21:35.000And so they're just not taking their kids to the doctors as much.
00:21:37.000And so it's really, their kids are just as sick.
00:21:42.000Paul did an interesting thing in this study to control for that, but to control for different healthcare behaviors.
00:21:48.000So they looked at rates of diagnoses of fever, which is an expected outcome from vaccines.
00:21:53.000So they would expect to find higher rates, more diagnoses of a fever amongst the vaccinated children.
00:21:59.000And they also looked at well-child visits, which, you know, if it's just that the unvaccinated kids, parents just don't bring their kids in to see him as much, you would see a difference in well-child visits as well.
00:22:11.000And so they did confirm that the vaccinated children had more fevers.
00:22:16.000But the incidence of well-child visits, there was no pattern.
00:22:35.000They really do appear to be healthier by a long ways.
00:22:39.000And so that was an important thing that they included in the study is that those control outcomes that they looked at to try to control for that, to essentially preempt that criticism.
00:22:49.000Another point I want to make is that studies have shown One of the selection biases that's really concerning for vaccine safety studies is one called healthy user bias.
00:22:59.000And so in 2015, there was a study, for example, Jane et al.
00:23:04.000had put out a study that, of course, the media, all the headlines were saying, another study shows that MMR doesn't cause autism, even in children who are at genetically predisposed higher risk of autism.
00:23:23.000What their findings actually show is that as a proxy for genetic predisposition for autism, they looked at siblings.
00:23:34.000They took children who had an older sibling with diagnosed autism.
00:23:39.000That was a proxy for genetic predisposition, a higher risk for autism.
00:23:45.000And they actually found that the children who received the MMR vaccine were at lower risk.
00:23:50.000They had lower odds of being diagnosed with autism.
00:23:54.000But the reason for that, they showed the reason for that in the study, was that the parents of children who had an older child with autism, the younger siblings, they would not vaccinate with the MMR. They would avoid the MMR vaccine precisely because the older child had autism.
00:24:11.000And so what happened was, is you have this selection bias, this healthy user bias, where you get the children who are at higher risk of autism are disproportionately pooled into the unvaccinated cohort, you know, MMR unvaccinated.
00:24:28.000They didn't look at any other vaccines.
00:24:30.000So this is a really important thing that also needs to be controlled for.
00:24:33.000And you look at most of the, I mean, none of the CDC studies control for this type of selection bias, where it's not that children who received the MMR vaccine were less likely to develop autism, it's that kids who are more likely to develop autism were less likely to get the MMR vaccine.
00:24:49.000Actually, we would expect to find, looking at Dr.
00:24:52.000Paul's data, we would expect to find the children with fewer vaccines to have higher rates of certain autoimmune-type illnesses and things because of this effect of children.
00:25:05.000The parents are recognizing early symptoms, and so they stop vaccinating.
00:25:09.000Despite this bias in favor of finding higher rates of illness among the lesser vaccinated, You know, they find a very strong signal that the more vaccines children get, the sicker they are.
00:25:26.000Well, you know, I've said to people for many years, to say, why are you doing this work on, you know, vaccines?
00:25:33.000Why don't you go back to protecting rivers where you are, you know, useful and people like you and stuff.
00:25:38.000And I said, if I said today somebody shows me a study, That shows that vaccinated children are healthier than unvaccinated children.
00:25:49.000I will close up the shop and go back to protecting rivers full-time.
00:25:52.000But, you know, we need that study, and that's the study that CDC wants to do.
00:25:57.000Tell us about the medical board and what happened to Paul.
00:26:02.000Yeah, so within days of that study being published, on December 3rd, The Oregon Medical Board had an emergency meeting and issued an emergency suspension order to suspend his license.
00:26:17.000How many people does he have in his practice?
00:27:06.000And they couldn't deal with the outcome because it was contrary to their belief system and their policies and their goal, the myopic goal of achieving high vaccination rates, which is different from the goal and incompatible with the goal of achieving good health outcomes.
00:27:29.000So they suspended his license, and in that document, they cited a number of cases.
00:27:34.000None of them appear to actually come from any of his patients, his complaints.
00:27:38.000They all appear to be from other parties.
00:27:39.000In fact, some of the parents, one example, the parents had been at the Children Developed Rotavirus, and they were at the hospital, and they overheard one of the doctors there saying, I'm going to report that doctor to the medical board.
00:28:17.000So he has no ability to face his accusers, essentially.
00:28:22.000So the main accusation that they leveled against him is that he is a threat to public health because he pressures parents into accepting his alternative vaccine schedule.
00:28:34.000So the first accusation is they actually accuse him of bullying patients into accepting alternative schedule.
00:28:41.000And we know that the Oregon Medical Board has no problem with bullying because Physicians across the state bully their parents all the time into vaccinating according to the CDC schedule.
00:28:52.000In fact, many pediatricians, if parents choose not to vaccinate strictly according to the schedule, they will be kicked out of the practice.
00:29:10.000As far as I know, the Oregon Medical Board has never suspended anyone's license for this kind of bullying.
00:29:15.000So it's clearly not an issue where the Medical Board has a problem with bullying.
00:29:19.000In fact, the very loud and clear message from their suspension order is that physicians must bully their parents into vaccinating their children according to the schedule, the CDC schedule.
00:29:30.000Otherwise, they risk having their license suspended.
00:29:35.000So we can dismiss that as a false pretext.
00:29:37.000It's obviously untrue that they have a problem with bullying.
00:29:40.000With that said, whether the bullying is in favor of the CDC's schedule or against it, we can agree that bullying is wrong and nobody should be pressured into doing anything one way or the other.
00:29:49.000So then we look at the question, is this what Dr. Paul does in his practice?
00:29:52.000And again, this just shows that the medical board has no understanding, no comprehension of how he actually approaches this issue.
00:29:59.000Which is not an alternative one-size-fits-all approach.
00:30:19.000So that they can make an individual choice for that specific child to Based on family history and all kinds of things that, you know, bureaucrats in Washington or state capitals have no knowledge.
00:30:32.000They have none of the knowledge necessary to be able to do this type of risk benefit analysis and he provides them with that type of information.
00:30:39.000To be able to make their own informed choice.
00:30:41.000This is the fundamental concept of the vaccine-friendly plan.
00:31:05.000Paul's patient, it was because no other pediatricians would accept him as their patient.
00:31:09.000Because the parents were told that they couldn't take their son home from the hospital until they had a pediatrician for him, until they had a family doctor.
00:31:16.000And they called her on and they couldn't find anyone who would accept them because of their adamant decision not to vaccinate this child.
00:31:34.000Pol's vaccine friendly plan, actually, this is one of the vaccines that's on his alternative schedule, is the DTAP vaccine, the diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis vaccine.
00:31:44.000It's not as though he recommends against this vaccine.
00:31:47.000He does recommend it in his vaccine friendly plan.
00:31:49.000So, you know, the idea that this is a consequence of him bullying these parents into making these alternative choices, it's falsifiable.
00:31:57.000These claims, the accusations that the board makes are demonstrably false.
00:32:03.000It's very clear when you set aside the false pretext that the true reason that he was suspended is because he practices informed consent.
00:32:11.000This is really important because there is a war on against our right to informed consent.
00:32:18.000And this is not an issue that's just relevant for people living in Portland, Oregon.
00:32:21.000It's not just for people living in the state of Oregon.
00:32:24.000This is relevant for, especially now with these COVID-19 vaccines and talks of immunity, passports, and all this.
00:32:31.000I mean, this is an issue that affects every single person living on this planet.
00:32:35.000You know, again, the lesson from the DTP vaccine, which is the most widely used vaccine in the world still to this day, is really critical that we learn the lessons from that and that we need to have Long-term data, you know, comparing long-term health outcomes, including all-cause mortality, because otherwise, there's no way to be able to make any kind of meaningful risk-benefit analysis for any individual.
00:32:59.000We need to have that data, and the medical establishment and the CDC refuse to do those types of studies.
00:33:09.000His clinic is closed, and All of his patients are now kind of medical refugees.
00:33:16.000The clinic, Integrative Pediatrics lives on as far as I know.
00:33:20.000There's other practitioners still working there.
00:33:23.000He's not allowed to see any patients or have anything to do with the practice.
00:33:27.000And, you know, another point I want to make was when the board suspended his license emergently, Dr.
00:33:33.000Paul is also, he's not just a pediatrician, he's also a specialist in addiction medicine.
00:33:39.000And so he helps, you know, people who are addicted to like opiate medications and things to, you know, he helps them deal with their addiction and get off of these drugs.
00:33:49.000And so to suspend him, they immediately blocked him from being able to help these addicts, these people who have this addiction problem.
00:33:57.000Sometimes through the fault of their own physicians who were prescribing these opiate drugs and things.
00:34:02.000I mean, the medical establishment helped create this opiate problem in the United States.
00:34:08.000And so, you know, immediately causing, you know, without any kind of process to allow for him to be able to transfer these, you know, highly needy patients to another physician, it's just like suddenly he couldn't help them.
00:34:20.000So that created a very potentially deadly disease.
00:34:24.000For a lot of his patients, you know, in the grounds of a supposed emergency created evidently by the release of his data showing that his unvaccinated kids were healthier, the medical board actually created an emergency and a crisis situation for a lot of his patients because he just he could no longer help them.
00:34:41.000Again, it just shows the recklessness of the medical board.
00:34:44.000They're saying they're doing something in the name of the public good, in the name of public health, but without thought of the consequences of their own actions.
00:34:51.000It just shows that public health is the last thing on their mind when they're doing this, in this action.
00:35:00.000And then he has, I know that, you know, historically around the country, the courts have been very, very reluctant to overrule medical boards.
00:35:09.000They have essentially totalitarian power to pull these licenses with or without any cause.
00:35:16.000What was his, he did sue them, correct?
00:35:24.000In fact, the suspension order refers to the ongoing investigation.
00:35:27.000And he, on early March, he had a hearing before the board.
00:35:31.000That was the last event I know of as far as developments.
00:35:35.000I do know it's just an ongoing situation.
00:35:38.000He's still fighting that legal battle.
00:35:41.000I don't know too many of the details of that other than it still is ongoing and he's fighting for his license.
00:35:46.000You know, he tells me he's at peace about it.
00:35:48.000You know, if he's not able, if his license is permanently removed, taken away from him, he's at peace with that.
00:35:55.000I mean, he says that, you know, when he wrote the Vaccine Friendly Plan and he published that book, he knew he was putting his career on the line.
00:36:00.000He knew that eventually this day was coming.
00:36:04.000And I think he was mentally prepared for that.
00:36:06.000It just shows the courage of this man, that he was willing to essentially issue this challenge, very public challenge in the publication of that book, to the medical establishment, knowing that he was risking his career by doing so.
00:36:17.000Another thing I want to point out about Dr.
00:36:19.000Paul is, you know, he began, he wasn't always where he is today.
00:36:23.000I mean, he started out, he went through medical school, he learned that vaccines are safe and effective, he believed it, you know, he trusted that, you know, people at the CDC and the AAP are, you know, they must be the best of the best to get to where they are, and Obviously, they know better than me, and I'm just going to listen to their guidance, and I'm going to treat my patients the way they tell me to, and I'm going to vaccinate according to the CDC schedule.
00:36:42.000That's what he was doing in a private group practice until he says that he was awakened by the Wakefield paper in 1998.
00:36:48.000It just triggered in his mind the possibility that maybe it's not just about these acute adverse events.
00:36:54.000There could be long-term harms that we're just totally unaware of.
00:36:58.000He just began doing his own research and attending conferences and And just digging deeply into the science for himself.
00:37:05.000And he, you know, he went through this journey of awakening.
00:37:08.000What he says really woke him up is that he witnessed four of his own patients regress into autism after vaccination.
00:37:16.000And so, you know, he started out from a point where he had...
00:37:23.000They want to accept information that supports their predetermined conclusions and beliefs and reject information that contradicts their existing belief system.
00:37:35.000It's really important to point out that Dr.
00:37:36.000Paul's confirmation bias was in favor of vaccines.
00:37:40.000Because he had to come to a place where he had to admit to himself, recognize the possibility and admit the possibility to himself that there's something that I'm doing to my patients with good intentions, but he had to ask himself, am I causing harm?
00:38:07.000He opened Integrative Pediatrics, founded on the principle of informed consent, published the book, knowing full well that what he was doing and the journey, the path he was heading down, could very well lead to the suspension of his license, which ultimately did happen.
00:38:21.000I just respect and admire the man so much.
00:38:25.000I've been blessed to get to know him personally a little bit, interviewing him and communicating with him in the publication of the The article that I have written about this whole story.
00:38:35.000So yeah, I just have a lot of immense gratitude and respect for him for what he's done and standing up for all of us parents and our right to informed consent.
00:39:09.000I'm not involved in that, so I'm not really connected with that.
00:39:12.000But I am aware that people are fighting for him just as he's fought for us.
00:39:16.000And so I think, in my judgment, I think the medical board has made a huge mistake.
00:39:21.000stake, I think this is going to backfire on them because I think it's so obvious that they have suspended his license on false pretexts and that the real reason is that he respects informed consent.
00:39:31.000I think people are going to awaken to this threat from state governments, you know, like we saw in California, where in fact, there's a bill in Oregon proposed legislation to essentially do what they did in California, which, you know, Richard Pan believes that the issuance of exemptions to vaccinations is not the practice of medicine, in Richard Pan believes that the issuance of exemptions to vaccinations is not the practice of medicine, in his words, not the practice of medical medicine, but it admitted the fulfillment of an That's Richard Pan's belief about what doctor's role is.
00:40:00.000And this is totally perverse, where there's no doctor-patient relationship.
00:40:04.000Informed consent is not a choice for the parents.
00:40:07.000And the doctors must push the CDC schedule on patients.
00:40:16.000And so that's what was done in California.
00:40:18.000They're trying to do that now in Oregon.
00:40:20.000And so hopefully this will really affect an awakening.
00:40:25.000And a mass public outcry that is going to prevent that bill from passing into law.
00:40:32.000Yeah, I mean, that's an interesting point because that's what happened, you know, since Hippocrates, which I think over 2,000 years ago, I think about 2,500 years ago, there's been a special sanctified relationship between doctors and patients where When you go to your doctor, you know that that doctor is not focused on the good of society.
00:40:59.000And it allows you to be honest with him, and it allows him to...
00:41:04.000You have total confidence that his job is to protect you, not share your information, to protect your privacy, to protect your health, not public health, your health.
00:41:15.000And during World War II, in the years before World War II, Hitler changed after the German doctors, and the German doctors during that period were required.
00:41:30.000He changed the relationship so that they were functionaries of the state.
00:41:38.000They were told there were memorandums sent out to every doctor in Germany to inform the state, to send out these yellow cards to people who had intellectual firms.
00:41:49.000Patients of theirs who had intellectual disabilities, so if they were treating a family and one of the children had Down syndrome or some other intellectual disability, they were required to file a report on that child and those children were removed.
00:42:04.000I mentioned they were sent to death camps.
00:42:32.000They told doctors, if a woman gets pregnant, you know, do everything you can to make them abort the child, the second child.
00:42:40.000And it's a very, very dangerous thing when you make doctors agents of state policy.
00:42:46.000You know, people just need to consider the consequences.
00:42:48.000If they surrender this type of authority to government, to state officials, to be able to dictate the practice of medicine this way, where there's not even a doctor-patient requirement.
00:43:01.000It's just so dangerous, and we've seen this in history, and we need to learn the lessons of history and apply them, and we need to understand that there are certain fundamental rights that are inviolable, and we should never surrender, and the right to informed consent is one of them.
00:43:14.000In fact, the Nuremberg Code was established after World War II because of the experimentation of the Nazis.
00:43:21.000just as you described with doctors and scientists performing experimentation on humans without informed consent.
00:43:27.000And while the Nuremberg Code itself is not international law, there are international treaties that codify recognition of the right to informed consent and guarantee protection, protecting this right.
00:43:40.000And in Oregon law, it's written into the law that doctors must obtain informed consent.
00:43:45.000And so it is a recognized human right and a fundamental human right that if we do not stand up and fight to protect it, it will be systematically violated.
00:43:53.000And I think with the COVID-19 pandemic and the mass vaccination endgame of the lockdown regimes, I think the risk is heightened all the more.
00:44:02.000I mean, we were already fighting this battle before the pandemic, and now when they're talking about, you know, immunity passports and mass vaccination, if they really want to vaccinate children next, despite the low risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection to children, you know, that we really need to, there needs to be a, there has been an awakening over the years, and I think I think, you know, we're not there yet.
00:44:21.000We need to continue this awakening process, educating people about the realities of what the science says versus what the government and media tell people the science says.
00:44:29.000And just, you know, awakening more people until we reach that critical mass.
00:44:33.000We just need to achieve a critical mass of awakened people so that the policies will no longer be politically feasible to continue and we'll regain our rights.
00:44:45.000I mean, like you say, we're already...
00:44:48.000In the middle of that ethic where doctors are being told to tell patients, take this vaccine because it's good for your community.
00:44:59.000Your duty is to take this vaccine regardless of whether that vaccine is the right choice for you.
00:45:06.000How can you give a vaccine to a little child?
00:45:10.000Who has zero risk from the disease and a very high risk from that vaccine, according to their own clinical trials.
00:45:19.000And one thing that we've learned from history is that doctors do not make good rulers.
00:45:25.000They're not good protectors of constitutional rights.
00:45:30.000And, you know, as you point out, after World War II, we had the Nuremberg trials.
00:45:35.000The doctors were so badly behaved during the Nazi regime.
00:45:41.000That they had to have independent medical trials just to try all the doctors who had committed these crimes.
00:45:48.000And with all the medical experimentation, with all the medical totalitarianism that took place during Nazi Germany, not a single doctor is on record of speaking out.
00:46:11.000Now we're living in a time where literally one doctor is closing down the global economy and imposing all these kind of haphazard and non-science-based requirements on all of us.
00:46:30.000And without any thought about what it's doing to our constitutional rights, to our economy, you know, to human health, it's all about, you know, achieving certain milestones that are in his head of mass vaccination.
00:46:46.000It doesn't matter if people are healthier, we need to get them vaccinated.
00:46:50.000Anyway, Jeremy, I wanted to talk to you about Wuhan, but we'll leave that the next time.
00:46:55.000Thank you so much for your work and your commitment and your brilliant writing.