John Rulak is a serial entrepreneur, investor, writer, philanthropist, and filmmaker. Most recently, he s the Executive Producer of the Netflix blockbuster film, Really, Kiss the Ground, about regenerative agriculture. John has founded six nonprofit organizations, including Great Plains Regeneration, Agroforestry Regeneration Communities, and 4 is Forever. In this episode, John talks about how to repackage a dysfunctional, degenerative system, and create a new term: "Plant-Based." He talks about the dangers of GMO crops, the impact of pesticides, and the potential benefits of a regenerative approach to food production. John also discusses the devastating effects of climate change, including the loss of biodiversity and the impact on our ability to eat and grow food. John is the founder of Nutiva, a company that has sourced and formulated a billion dollars in retail sales of organic superfoods. He s also the co-founder of The Nature Conservancy, a non-profit organization dedicated to fighting climate change and the fight against climate change. This episode is a must-listen episode for anyone who wants to learn more about the importance of food and food in our everyday lives. If you like what you hear here, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and share it with a friend or become a supporter of this podcast on Apple Podcasts. I'll be looking out for you in the coming episodes! Timestamps: 1:00:00 - What's your favorite plant-based food? 3:30 - What kind of food do you're eating? 4: What is your favorite type? 5:15 - What are you looking for? 6:40 - Is it sustainable? 7:00 8:00 | What do you want to eat? 9:30 | What s your biggest meal? 11:40 | How do you feel about it? 12:30 13:40 14:30 // Is it healthy? 15:00 // What are your favorite piece of food or plant based? 16:40 // Is your favorite kind of protein? 17:00 Is it a plant based on your favorite thing? 19:00 + +7:30 +8: Is it your favorite fish? 21:00 & 13:00 / 16:00 ? 22:40 +9:30 & 15:30) 15,000
00:00:00.000Hey everybody, my guest today is John Rulak.
00:00:02.000As founder of Nutiva, John has sourced and formulated a billion dollars in retail sales of organic superfoods.
00:00:10.000John is a serial entrepreneur, investor, writer, philanthropist, and filmmaker.
00:00:17.000Most recently, he's the executive producer of the Netflix blockbuster Film documentary really, Kiss the Ground, which is about regenerative agriculture.
00:00:27.000And we've talked about that on this podcast before then.
00:00:33.000John has founded six nonprofit organizations, including Great Plains Regeneration, Agroforestry Regeneration Communities, ARC, And four is forever.
00:00:46.000And John, reading your biography, I could confuse it for my own because we've spent our lifetimes working on essentially identical issues, which is water pollution, big agriculture, industrialization and commoditization of agriculture and human beings and soils.
00:01:05.000Factory farms, GMO agriculture, pesticides, and toxins to children.
00:01:12.000Let's talk about regenerative agriculture, because that's really what we came here to talk about.
00:01:18.000Let me ask you a question that I think a lot of people wonder about it.
00:01:23.000I think about this every time my wife, when we go out to lunch, she always orders the Impossible Burger.
00:02:49.000And just to give you a sense of where, of every seed, and of course you're aware, but this, every seed, every GMO seed is dipped in neonics, the GMO corn and soy.
00:03:01.000And that neonic, it's like as a protection.
00:03:04.000And in France, they're banning it in agriculture like that.
00:03:07.000And so then as that plant grows, it expresses energy.
00:03:11.000Because it's been coated in the seed, it expresses that toxin at the gene level.
00:03:39.000So when the bees come in the morning in the dew on the plants, Or getting any of the nectar.
00:03:46.000They're sipping one of the most toxic pesticides we've ever created.
00:03:51.000And it is one of the reasons why in the last 40 years, a bunch of Germans decided, citizen scientists decided to go out and start testing in the fields in Germany, in forests, in meadows, in agricultural lands, in wetlands.
00:04:08.000And they found that we've reduced 70% of all winged insects since the 1970s.
00:04:16.000And that's been repeated all over the world now.
00:04:18.000So we're literally losing 1% to 2% of winged insects.
00:04:22.000I'm talking about ladybugs, bees, wasps, butterflies.
00:04:29.000Remember when we were young boys, you'd walk out in a field and you might see 10 or 15 butterflies?
00:04:34.000Today, if we see one or two, it's like, ah, look at that, there's a butterfly.
00:04:38.000If you drive in an agricultural valley in California, you used to be filled with bugs.
00:04:44.000You'd have to, you know, pull over the side of the road when you wash your car and I mean, get some gas and wash your windshield, like the bug test.
00:04:50.000If we've lost 70% of our winged insects in this last decade they've been monitoring, and we're losing 1% to 2% a year, we're seeing a huge loss of biodiversity.
00:05:01.000Then if you go to the oceans, we've lost 50% to 60% of the phytoplankton.
00:05:07.000And the phytoplankton is dying because of the heat, the temperature in the oceans.
00:05:12.000And also because of the carbon content, the acidification.
00:05:16.000So the oceans are becoming more acidic.
00:05:19.000They've increased 30% more acidification in the last 50 years.
00:05:24.000And again, like the winged insects, we're losing 1% to 2% a year of that.
00:05:30.000Shellfish can no longer mobilize calcium to create their shells.
00:05:35.000And so you're seeing collapses in shellfish fisheries because the ocean is becoming acid.
00:05:50.000And I'm one of the few people in the regenerative agriculture that speaks about oceans.
00:05:54.000I show a picture in one of my presentations, and there's a picture of agricultural fields, and there's a picture of an ocean.
00:06:01.000And it's like in our generic kind of top-down view, we have people who are in charge of oceans, Protecting the oceans and they never talk to the agricultural people and the people who are protecting our agricultural and soils and environmentalists and lands and and they never talk they never deal with the ocean but it's one system.
00:06:22.000So one of the the major contributor of ocean pollution which is also killing ocean species is agriculture and agriculture Through the process of regeneration, and you may know our mutual friend Paul Hawken, who wrote the book Regeneration, and is featured in Kiss the Ground film.
00:06:40.000Paul shows that there's all these solutions.
00:06:42.000We can use regeneration to build healthy soil, and in the process of building healthy soil, we create healthy plants, we create healthy animals, healthy people, but it sequesters the carbon, and now even more important, it serves as a sponge.
00:06:59.000So some of these farms, let's say it rains five, six inches in a day.
00:07:03.000On a degenerative farm that Impossible Burger buys their soy from, the soil washes away into the ocean and into the rivers and creeks.
00:07:12.000And in the regenerative one, all that water stays in there and goes into the groundwater.
00:07:16.000And I'll give you an example of why this is so important.
00:07:19.000I recently went to a regenerative almond field day.
00:08:36.000It's a real challenge, but we need to focus on that and learn to respect nature.
00:08:43.000And I wrote an article about a year ago, which you would like.
00:08:47.000It's called Make America Rivers Blue Again.
00:08:51.000And it's all about the role of agriculture because our rivers used to be blue.
00:08:56.000It's actually not blue, but it's a reflection from the sky and industrial agriculture makes them green and brown.
00:09:02.000So, you know, we can make our rivers blue again and regenerative agriculture is the pathway and people They need to vote for politicians that are going to move us that way, that we need to eat that way, invest that way, and don't buy Impossible Burgers.
00:09:17.000You'd be much better off to, you know, eat some organic lentils or, you know, the most outrageous thing to say today is to eat an actual...
00:09:25.000Burger from, you know, holistically grazed, regenerative beef, which is actually showing, just like the buffalo created the great soils in the Great Plains, cows mimicking the buffalo system of moving fastly, quickly moving them, can do that.
00:09:43.000And there's a lot of pushback on that, as you know.
00:09:45.000Most environmentalists I think environmentalists have to understand the difference between grass-fed, free-range cows.
00:10:04.000And most of our meat now comes from factory farms, which is an intensive agriculture that is, you know, is about one of the worst things that you can do in the environment.
00:10:14.000A hog bruises 10 times the amount of fecal material by weight as a human being.
00:10:22.000So if you have a hog farm, which, like, I think it was a Circulo, the Smithfields farm up in Utah.
00:12:34.000And even parts per billion, that just...
00:12:37.000Reminded me, ironically, these gung-ho pro-pesticide people are creating, we are feminizing our boys and making our girls more masculine by these endocrine disruptors that are used in agriculture.
00:12:56.000And so there's a phenomenon where in frogs, we know this, We've seen this in the last couple decades, that frogs now, it's changing at the chromosome level, and it's causing confusion of the sexual genes.
00:13:12.000You know, there's a series of studies on atrazine.
00:14:16.000And there's all kinds of other problems, like you say, the, you know, masculization of girls.
00:14:21.000But there's all, you know, there's endocrine disruptors.
00:14:24.000There's what they call the dirty dozen, which are phthalates, other plasticizer stuff that's in plastic.
00:14:33.000When you drink plastic, you're getting this stuff.
00:14:36.000Flame retardants, glyphosate, organophosphate pesticides, and many, many others.
00:14:45.000And we're being exposed to these all the time.
00:14:48.000BPAs, which is another chemical in plastics.
00:14:52.000You know, it's really, it's horrific what we're doing to our children.
00:14:56.000If we don't take care of nature, if we don't take care of our water systems, and if we don't restore our soils and natural systems, climate change and environmental collapse is going to destroy our entire civilization and the natural world.
00:15:35.000Let's hear a little bit about that, because I know that will at least, even while she's eating this environment-killing poison, that it will make her enjoy it more if she knows that there's synthetic blood in it.
00:17:08.000But I wanted to mention there is some good news.
00:17:12.000Besides all these toxic chemicals we're talking about, giving you ammunition for your lovely wife.
00:17:20.000Don't have that guest on again, Bobby.
00:17:24.000But there's a guy named Rick Clark, and he's an example.
00:17:29.000He was a farmer, conventional farmer, and he decided To study nature, and he's from Indiana, 6,500 acres, and he doesn't till, and he's now figured out how to grow corn and soybeans with not one ounce of Roundup, no pesticides, no herbicides, no chemical fertilizers, working with nature.
00:17:51.000You know, Wendell Berry, you know, one of the great farmers in the 70s, talked about this.
00:17:55.000And so we're now seeing more and more farms I was out at this 1200-acre almond farm in California, and we had someone named Jonathan Lundgren, which would be a great guest for you also sometime, and he's an entomologist.
00:18:08.000He was forced out from USDA, and he shows that in the organic regenerative systems, there's 30% more birds.
00:18:16.000There's all sorts of more insects, and more insects means birds can multiply because they eat all those.
00:18:24.000The problem, destroying our environment, the solution is regeneration.
00:18:32.000And one of the things we're doing outside the United States is I decided to support NGOs like in Guatemala with Contour Lines and Permaculture Paradise Institute in Malawi.
00:18:43.000And so we're planting food for us and we got a $400,000 grant in Guatemala and we're planting different nitrogen-fixing species and then we'll put in avocados and mangoes and jackfruit and then grow on an alley crop system next to the nitrogen trees, ginger, turmeric, pineapples, cassava and It's a much more productive system.
00:19:07.000It's multi-species, and the farmers then don't want to leave and go to another land.
00:19:14.000And we've put in 1200 food for us, and with 1200 families in Guatemala, our goal is to do over 100,000.
00:19:21.000And when I talked to them, they said, Come on, we can do way more than a hundred thousand.
00:19:25.000Imagine if we could do a million food forests in Guatemala and we did a webinar and eight people from USAID registered talking about this.
00:19:46.000So essentially what we're doing is, you're going to laugh at this, we're essentially taking money from Big corporations, including pharmaceutical companies, they're washing their guilt by giving money to organizations that end up flowing to us, and we plant those trees.
00:20:02.000And I will take money from large organizations and help indigenous people, help become more food sovereign.
00:20:11.000Some people say, how could you take money from them?
00:20:13.000Like, if I can plant hundreds of thousands of food for us and help those families.
00:20:17.000And the other thing that we do is, We don't take any farmers in the program unless their family and their wives are involved.
00:20:24.000And we find we're much more successful.
00:20:26.000That's what makes me passionate about, even though the news is very, very challenging these days, as you know.
00:20:32.000Most recently, I was surprised to see you sort of crossing the line, this very, very dangerous line, and writing about pharmaceutical products and also directly talking about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
00:20:49.000You know, that really impressed me because we're living in a weird world today.
00:20:54.000And I know you've spent most of your entire life as a liberal Democrat.
00:21:00.000And yet, most liberal Democrats, as you mentioned in that article, It's kind of a bewildering phenomenon.
00:21:09.000These are people who, for most of their lives, have understood that the pharmaceutical industry is really one of the most evil, craven, venal structures that the world has ever known, and yet they completely are subsumed in the recent orthodoxies about that pharma finally is telling the truth about vaccines and these other Remedies for COVID-19.
00:21:37.000Talk about that a little, because you must have known it's a very dangerous choice for you to stray from regenerative agriculture and pesticides into the pharmaceutical space.
00:23:16.000Not everybody gets 40 years of good health.
00:23:18.000And then out of the blue, I got a phone call of a friend of a friend said that they also had Lyme disease and they went down to a clinic in Mexico.
00:23:27.000I went down there and after six days of IV treatments of vitamin C and ozone, I could run.
00:23:35.000A few years later, I was doing triathlons.
00:23:37.000Today, I play basketball against 20 and 30-year-old guys.
00:23:43.000I've had a basis of being healthy and being in the food business, I dealt with the FDA. The FDA was threatening our industry saying we couldn't say non-GMO in around 2010.
00:23:58.000When this COVID thing happened and I started to research, after about a year, I started talking to my friends who were doctors, I realized something wasn't right and I had to make a choice.
00:24:07.000I could either just go along with the narrative and have a nice semi-retired life.
00:24:14.000Or I could do what was right for the people, what was right for our health, and also for the environment.
00:24:22.000I mean, COVID and vaccines are horrible.
00:24:24.000The greenhouse gas emissions, the hospital waste, the lost lives.
00:24:28.000And I'm like, how are they going to cancel me?
00:24:30.000I already sued the DEA back in 2002 and won that lawsuit.
00:24:35.000So people kind of know me as someone who takes on powerful interests.
00:24:54.000Yeah, I consider myself liberal and progressive, and I find a lot of my friends who are of similar ideology who are health-focused, who know about the immune system, We haven't moved.
00:26:02.000And when the DEA said that a hemp bar with four seeds, hemp, sunflower, pumpkin And sesame seed and honey was in the same category as heroin.
00:26:12.000I said, that's wrong, and we should sue the DEA. I'm not going to just go out of business.
00:26:17.000And because we won that case, and I don't know if we're going to win on this pharmaceutical issue.
00:26:22.000You've been at this much longer battle, but I feel glad to be able to stand up.
00:26:30.000I find it interesting, Robert, I'm virtually one of the only people in the organic natural food industry leaders who've stood up for this.
00:26:40.000Now, I have many of them will contact me and say, I'm afraid I can't say anything.
00:26:44.000I really like you, like what you're doing, John.
00:26:46.000A lot of people contact me and say, Love what you're doing, really it's great, but I can't say anything personally because I'm afraid to be attacked.
00:26:52.000What kind of world is it when leaders of the organic and natural food industries are threatened by the pharmaceutical industry and so they become silent?
00:27:46.000I think some of it is they know it's wrong, but they feel if they speak out, then that that's some way that's going to support the Republicans and Trump.
00:28:48.000It turns into a kind of self-victimization that paralyzes people and distorts their view of reality.
00:28:56.000And I agree that that's what happened.
00:28:58.000I mean, I kind of watched this evolution in my party, in the Democratic political party, Because, you know, my uncle was leading, Ted Kennedy leading the battle for universal healthcare for many, many years as chairman of the Senate Health Committee.
00:29:17.000And then when Obama passed Obamacare, he couldn't do it unless he got the pharmaceutical companies on board.
00:29:28.000And pharmaceutical companies have always been the enemies of the Democratic Party.
00:29:32.000But he made the compromise with them that if they supported Obamacare, he would give them the ability to sell their drugs to Medicare without bargaining.
00:29:43.000To basically name their price and have Medicare and Medicaid buy their drugs.
00:29:48.000And that's what Biden was talking about this week, is we pay more for pharmaceuticals than any country in the world.
00:29:56.000And it's because of that deal that got all the pharmaceutical companies on board with Obamacare.
00:30:02.000And all of a sudden, for the first time, Democrats, because they were supporting Obamacare, were able to justify taking money from pharmaceutical companies.
00:30:13.000Democrats were usually the much poorer party because the only people that Democratic candidates and congressional members, most of them, I'm talking about the general rule, Was that they couldn't take money from chemicals or oil companies or tobacco companies or pesticide companies or big agriculture.
00:30:33.000And there are a lot of exceptions, but this was generally the truth.
00:30:37.000And the only people they really could take big money, who could write them big checks, was organized labor and trial lawyers.
00:30:45.000And all of a sudden they had an industry that Democrats could take money from, which is the pharmaceutical industry, without taking a lot of, you know, heat from in their own party.
00:30:56.000And so Democrats became hooked on pharmaceutical money.
00:31:02.000And then in 2016, when all of these vaccine mandates, you know, you had a couple of measles outbreaks and there started to be mandates in most of the states and the abandonment of religious exemptions and philosophical exemptions and medical exemptions in New York and California. you had a couple of measles outbreaks and there started The people pushing those bills were mainly Democrats, although it was still very fluid.
00:31:28.000You know, you had Democrats and Republicans on both sides, but it was being driven by Democrats.
00:31:33.000And then during the Trump campaign, Trump came out several times and said that he believed that vaccines could cause autism.
00:31:43.000And for Democrats, that became a potent political issue because they could say he's as crazy on this and went in the same dumpster as his climate change denialism.
00:31:56.000And then it became a cultural issue, and it became a tribal issue, and it was really kind of a badge of membership and of rectitude in the Democratic Party.
00:32:08.000And I think that, you know, I watched this happen over a couple of decades.
00:32:12.000And, you know, even when I was younger, It was the Democrats created these agencies like NIH and CDC and FDA and HHS. Those were all Democratic programs.
00:32:26.000And the Republicans are always hostile to those agencies.
00:32:31.000And the Democrats found themselves in kind of this permanent posture of defending those agencies from Republican attacks, from defamation, but also from budget cuts.
00:32:43.000And so it was natural for them to take that posture of surrender, and they didn't notice.
00:32:49.000While they were facing the outside world with the regulatory agencies behind them, the regulatory agencies were systematically being hollowed out and captured by the industry they were supposed to regulate and turned ultimately into the subsidiaries for those industries.
00:33:06.000And the Democrats really noticed that the agencies they were defending were no longer public health agencies.
00:33:12.000They were, you know, pharmaceutical promotion agencies.
00:33:15.000And I didn't mean to go on for so long.
00:33:18.000It's an interesting subject of how this happened and one that, you know, I find really fascinating.
00:33:24.000How did the Democrats suddenly become the party of pharma?
00:33:30.000Thank you for the overview, and I agree, and that's interesting on the details.
00:33:34.000In a way, pharma punked the Democrats.
00:33:38.000They're laughing all the way to the bank, and then they're going to elect Republicans in the coming elections and make sure the price of pharmaceutical drugs stay high.
00:33:50.000And the way they're doing, they're forcing the Democratic Party to take outrageous positions Which then caused people like myself and others to go, why do I want to support candidates who want to put masks on kids for years and years when most countries, they're not putting masks on kids, they're still requiring them.
00:34:13.000Why should you have a vaccine passport?
00:34:17.000If people want to take a vaccine, they should have a right to do that.
00:34:48.000I've been getting a lot of interesting feedback.
00:34:49.000And I appreciate your organization running it on from corrupted to trusted liberal Americans' perceptions of the FDA. So I kind of get into that.
00:35:10.000But if we lose on this issue, we're going to see that if we're going to create some sort of authoritarian system, they can turn your bank account off, they can turn your access To going anywhere, just with a flip of a switch.
00:35:27.000So, you know, one day it's, quote, you know, far-right truckers, and they're bad, and we're going to go after them.
00:35:33.000And, you know, I think, I mean, you and I, we could go down the rabbit hole real far down that, you know, maybe we don't want to necessarily do that, because it's a dark rabbit hole if you go down there.
00:35:45.000And I had friends who were kind of, a few years ago, shared some of these things.
00:35:50.000I said, that's kind of conspiratorial, but Or maybe I didn't say that, but I said, well, let's hope it doesn't go there.
00:35:55.000And some of my astute scientist friends, they said, John, the conspiracies are turning out to be true.
00:36:01.000I mean, how is it that they can say, we're going to end COVID, but anybody who doesn't have a vaccine has to wear a mask indoors?
00:36:11.000I mean, that's what Governor Gavin Newsom is saying.
00:36:14.000That's what the City of LA supposedly is saying.
00:36:16.000I think LA County is not taking that position.
00:36:56.000And, you know, even the New York Times reported this week, and the New York Post, that CDC has been systematically hiding data from the American people.
00:37:44.000They all become part of that enterprise.
00:37:47.000And that's what I think you and I and other people are seeing that.
00:37:52.000But, you know, I think what's happened to our party, which I think about all the time, because I've run into people who are incredibly smart, who have good hearts, who are well-intentioned, who love our country, who are skeptical of traditionally of corporations.
00:38:13.000And they appear to be in this deep hypnosis, where if you even start questioning them about their beliefs, it's kind of a religious...
00:38:24.000You know, it's like a hardwired orthodoxy that, you know, the more that you question and challenge it, the deeper entrenched it becomes and the angrier the person becomes who's, you know, you're asking them about some of the ironies that are connected to their belief system.
00:38:55.000People literally were thinking, you know, open-minded, didn't trust pharma, and they became, you know, huge advocates for the pharmaceutical industry.
00:39:07.000The other thing I wanted to mention, yeah, the lack of transparency is horrible.
00:39:11.000I wrote another article called Pharma's Culture War in September.
00:39:16.000One of the things was I kept reading about the use of, you know, generic drugs in India.
00:39:23.000And so I started Googling and I started doing research on the internet.
00:39:27.000And I noticed, I was like, am I just going down some Trump conspiracy?
00:39:33.000You know, like, I can't find any information.
00:39:37.000I'm going to Google, like, am I going to write some article and just Put up some BS, you know, and like destroy my reputation as a longtime environmentalist.
00:39:45.000And so then I said, well, I know somebody from India.
00:39:48.000And so he said, well, we'll call my cousin.
00:39:51.000You know, she's going to law school in Cambridge and she's like the, you know, real smart one in the family.
00:40:07.000It's like, it's where the, you know, a lot of the government is, but it's right next to Uttar Pradesh.
00:40:13.000So I'm going to get to Uttar Pradesh in a minute.
00:40:15.000So I talked and she said, yeah, we, all my family, they took, as soon as they got COVID, They took ivermectin and none of them went to the hospital.
00:40:22.000And I said, can I talk to your family doctor?
00:40:41.000He has a telemedicine clinic and they treated 5,500 patients who had COVID. And what people were doing in Uttar Pradesh in policies in June, the governor was so concerned.
00:41:22.000And by the end of June, because of this, their case were so low.
00:41:27.000As a matter of fact, the World Health Organization put it on their website that they were outstanding effort.
00:41:32.000But they wouldn't put what was in, they said they delivered home kits.
00:41:35.000They wouldn't say what was in the home kit.
00:41:36.000You know, if you ask Americans, the Americans think we did such a great job.
00:41:41.000And I go, well, do you realize we're one of the leading countries?
00:41:44.000Like we're in the top 10 death rates per capita.
00:41:46.000And in Uttar Pradesh, They have like, from July on, July until the end of December, it was like 30 cases a day, not even barely one death a day.
00:41:59.000We're 1,500 deaths a day, and we're supposedly have the greatest medical system in the world.
00:42:05.000And the same thing if you go to Japan.
00:42:09.000Japan got hit with Delta in August, and several doctors started prescribing ivermectin.
00:42:15.000Now, the government didn't say you should use ivermectin.
00:42:22.000And so the Japanese rate went way, way, way down.
00:42:26.000The other thing I've discovered is vitamin D. If we're really interested, if you're pro-vaccine, And you're pro-FDA, and you're pro-Pfizer, whatever.
00:42:36.000At minimum, everyone in America should have gotten a vitamin D. And they're finding in the tests, as you know, like from Israel, where they have tests of people's vitamin D levels before and when they came into the hospital.
00:42:50.000The amount of people who had high levels of vitamin D, they're not getting sick, whether you're vaccinated or unvaccinated.
00:43:13.000As you know, if you're a medical doctor in the hospital today, and someone comes in with COVID, if you say, let's give them vitamin C and vitamin D, you know what happens to them?
00:44:00.000But at the end of the day, we have to resolve this in the best way, and then we need to get to what you and I are passionate about, and that's restoring and protecting nature.
00:44:11.000Well, let me just comment on what you said about vitamin D. There are now numerous studies that show that vitamin D is extraordinarily effective against COVID. There's a recent study, and I'm trying to remember what journal it was published in,
00:44:28.000but said that the correlation is so perfect that theoretically, if anybody who has 50,000 units of vitamin D in their blood, it's virtually impossible to die from COVID. You know, that doesn't mean it can't happen, but it means that statistically, it is a very remote possibility.
00:44:52.000And of course, you know, that's what we should have done from day one of the pandemic.
00:44:56.000And if you go in any pharmaceutical pharmacy in this country, you'll see shelf after shelf of Zycam and other forms of zinc for the common goal.
00:45:11.000The ivermectin study that you talked about, the experience in Uttar Pradesh, is really an extraordinary one.
00:45:19.000There's a neighboring province or nearby province called Corella, which adopted the Tony Fauci protocols and banned ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
00:45:32.000And they basically achieved the same kind of death rates that we had.
00:45:36.000We had the highest body count of any country in the world.
00:45:39.000So how does anybody call that a success story?
00:47:16.000You have to look at one documentary that you want to have hope of.
00:47:20.000On the issue of climate change and, you know, food and agriculture, if you want to look at a film where there is a very, very exciting solution that is cheap, that is easy, that provides, that nurtures communities of human dignity, of democracy, and it's all in that film, and it's a beautiful, beautiful film.
00:47:49.000And I want to just say the American people owe, you know, gratitude to you for using your reputation, your family's history, To take on the pharmaceutical industry.
00:47:59.000I know a lot of people say a lot of negative things about you, say a lot of bad things, but you and I understand we need to follow what we think is best for people and the planet.
00:48:10.000And we're not going to listen to corrupt authoritarian figures tell us what we should say or not say.