In this episode, Naomi Wolf talks to pediatric infectious disease advocate and pediatric neurologist Dr. Naomi Wolf about her new book, "Vaccination in the 21st Century," and why she thinks the pharmaceutical industry is a threat to democracy. She also talks about a recent call from a New York state senator, Brad Holliman, to Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, to get him on the platform for medical services, and why the First Amendment protects freedom of speech. Naomi also discusses the dangers of pandemic epidemics and the need for a pandemic exception to the Constitution, and how the founders were aware of the threat of pandemics, but didn t act on it until it was too late in the 19th century. Naomi and Dr. Wolf discuss the need to protect and defend the right to speak about unpopular speech, and what the Constitution actually says about pandemic speech, which is that there is no exception for it in our founding fathers' founding documents, the Constitution does not allow for such things as "unpopular speech" in the Constitution. Naomi Wolf is the founder of the Children's Health Defense Foundation, a non-profit organization dedicated to protecting childhood vaccines and childhood immunizations, and she is a pediatric infectious diseases researcher, researcher, and advocate for childhood immunology, among other things. She is also a pediatrician and pediatrician. She is a former pediatrician, and is a regular contributor to the New York Times Magazine. and Harvard Medical School, and the New England Journal of Pediatrics, and a frequent contributor to The Huffington Post, and The New York Sun, among many other publications, including Slate, The Daily Beast, The New Yorker, The Globe and The Atlantic, and many others. Naomi talks about the importance of a free and accessible access to childhood vaccines, and her views on childhood immunization, and access to early childhood care, including vaccines, including the benefits of early childhood education, and explains why we should all get access to them, not less than the information we need to learn about them in the public access to vaccines and the benefits they need to get them in our daily lives. . She also explains why pandemic vaccines are a good thing, not a bad thing. , and why we need them now, not better than they need them later in the rest of our lives and why they should be given the proper care, not more than we should have access to the information they need in the first place.
00:00:02.000Thank you for everything that you do, and thanks for joining us today.
00:00:06.000I was shocked to be told by one of your colleagues that a state senator in my home state of New York has actually made a public announcement in a press release that I read, as if he's proud of it, alerting the world to the fact that he'd reached out to Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, to get UD platform for medical services.
00:00:31.000The senator's name is Brad Holliman, and he's a senator from Lower Manhattan.
00:00:38.000And he's been very active for many years on the vaccine issue and on getting rid of vaccine exemptions for the MMR vaccine and the other vaccines in New York State.
00:00:48.000He sent a letter to Twitter accusing me and also my organization, the Children's Health Defense, Of using, of passing misinformation on Twitter.
00:01:01.000He did not specify exactly what the misinformation was.
00:01:06.000And as you know, at Children's Health Defense, we do not post misinformation.
00:01:10.000We, in fact, we fact check the movement.
00:01:14.000If we see misinformation from people who are trying to support safe vaccines, we alert them.
00:01:20.000On our advisory board, we have a Nobel Prize laureate, Luc Montagnier, who discovered the HIV virus and won the Nobel Prize in 1983.
00:01:29.000We have two former chiefs of the National Toxicity Program.
00:01:34.000We have dozens of PhDs and scientists and doctors, and they would not tolerate if we were passing on misinformation.
00:01:42.000So we fact check everything that we do.
00:01:46.000All of our public statements rigorously.
00:01:48.000We cite and source all of them to peer-reviewed publications or to government databases.
00:01:57.000Challenging him to tell us where we got the facts wrong.
00:02:03.000As you know, the term vaccine misinformation has nothing to do with the accuracy.
00:02:10.000It's a euphemism for any statement that departs from government orthodoxies or government proclamations, whether it's accurate or not.
00:02:22.000And so when they say vaccine misinformation, it just means that we are questioning things that they don't want people to question.
00:02:31.000A.J. Rollins has this famous quote about people don't tear out a man's tum because they're frightened that he's going to tell a lie.
00:02:44.000They tear out his tongue because they're frightened that he's going to tell the truth.
00:02:48.000And I think it's pretty clear that that's what we're dealing with here.
00:02:53.000I think as you and I understand, there's just an irony here that's almost comical and really shocking that a Democratic elected official would be calling on one of these internet titans.
00:03:30.000And they're relying on government contracts.
00:03:33.000And they're relying on these contracts with large corporations.
00:03:36.000And so there's always this huge danger That these companies that now control the public square, they control all speech in America, We'll be hijacked for corporate purposes and for a Democrat to be actually calling on them to censor information that criticizes a pharmaceutical product and a pharmaceutical product that is zero liability.
00:04:00.000These are the companies that brought us the opioid epidemic, that gave us Vioxx, that just killed people wantonly for profit and show that again and again and again that they're corrupt and that they're venal and that they're They're craven and mendacious.
00:04:17.000This is exactly what the First Amendment was put in the Constitution to prevent, which is government officials telling private publishers to censor criticisms of government policies.
00:04:34.000That's why we wrote the First Amendment.
00:04:36.000And in the Constitution, there is no...
00:04:46.000And by the way, Washington was very aware and the founders were very, very much aware of pandemics and their danger because there was a smallpox pandemic that debilitated particularly the troops in Maine when we were fighting for Ticonderoga and Saratoga and Montreal.
00:05:13.000The Northern Army, which is the Army of New England, essentially, were debilitated by smallpox epidemics, so they knew about it.
00:05:24.000They knew that it posed a danger and a potential crisis, but they still didn't put an exception in the Constitution for a pandemic because there is no exception.
00:05:37.000The Constitution was written to protect inconvenient speech, unpopular speech, speech that nobody wants you to talk about.
00:05:47.000It was not put there to protect popular speech.
00:05:52.000And there's a great movie about Thomas More, and there's dialogue in there that actually came from real life, but my favorite line from that movie is a line when he's talking, Thomas More, who was essentially the Attorney General of England during the reign of King Henry VIII, he was the Chancellor, which is essentially that he was both the treasurer and the Attorney General.
00:06:21.000And he said, he was having an argument with his son-in-law, whose name was Roper.
00:06:29.000And Roper said to him, you know, he said, you know, we have to, the laws protect certain action.
00:06:40.000Oh, it's unpopular, and you have to just obey the law.
00:06:44.000And he said, and Roper said to him, so would you give the The devil, the protection of the laws.
00:06:52.000Are you giving the devil the protection of laws?
00:06:55.000And Thomas More said, you have to do that.
00:06:59.000And you know, you can't cut a swath through the law to get at the devil.
00:07:05.000And Roper said to him, well, if it was up to me, I'd cut down all the laws to get at the devil.
00:07:12.000And Thomas More says to him, and once all the laws were cut down, And the land was flat.
00:07:21.000What will you do when the devil turns on you?
00:07:26.000And that, you know, is a question that I would pose to Senator Holyman.
00:07:32.000Well, let's step in and focus in on, you know, as horrifying as it is to have any voice that is not actually threatening violence, which is what the First Amendment doesn't protect, but otherwise the First Amendment It protects speech very, very widely.
00:07:50.000As disturbing as it is to have any peaceful voices censored from a tech platform, when I read the state senator's press release, I was horrified that A, I confirmed that he did not identify your alleged misinformation.
00:08:07.000And that is really scary if you know the history of totalitarian states, or have even read Kafka, you know, to be charged with a thing you can't defend yourself against is the hallmark of a show trial.
00:08:49.000And what's happening now is that more and more voices on social media, like mine, who...
00:08:55.000Are not particularly concerned in general with pharmaceuticals.
00:09:00.000Even if we call attention to harms that are being done, I've been concerned about blood clotting that women are reporting and menstrual problems and postmenopausal menstruation and instances of miscarriages and stillbirths subsequent to having the vaccines.
00:09:23.000But I'm being now tarred as an anti-vaxxer.
00:09:25.000And it is that kind of Salem witch trial, kind of inquisitorial.
00:09:30.000I mean, choose any historical period you want of kind of guilty till proven innocent.
00:09:36.000Once you're tarred with that brush, it's permission to not listen to you.
00:09:40.000But let me drill in to this shocking spectacle of a democratic State Senator calling the CEO of a tech company to sick that tech bro on a voice, a peaceful citizen.
00:09:57.000For all he knows, you could be in New York, you could be a constituent, any fellow American.
00:10:03.000To me, taking a broad view of the whole thing, of all the troubling things, to me that is the most troubling, because that could happen to any of us.
00:10:13.000Any of us could have A state senator or our congressperson, you know, phone up their buddies in Silicon Valley and say, get rid of Naomi, get rid of the Sierra Club, get rid of, you know, the conservatives, you know, get rid of people who want to stop that pipeline, get people, you know, get rid of people who want to push that pipeline through because, you know, my interests are with the other side.
00:10:36.000I mean, it opens up such a cesspit of new levels of corruption and bullying and erasure.
00:10:54.000I mean, this really started with Adam Schiff, who's the head of the Intelligence Committee, and that's very key.
00:11:03.000I mean, he and Mark Warner are heads, respectively, in the Intelligence Committees in the House and in the Senate.
00:11:11.000And both of them have sent letters to the tech companies asking them to censor vaccine misinformation.
00:11:18.000Naomi, the reason that's really important is because the tech companies know that they need the Intelligence Committee on their side because their big battle is to keep open these markets with China.
00:11:34.000And China is now coming back with its own Versions of Facebook and it's keeping Facebook out of China and has TikTok, etc., which are competitive.
00:11:46.000And they need the White House and they need...
00:12:31.000And the only reason that he is going to erase me It's because he believes that he is doing something the government wants him to do and he wants something from the government.
00:12:44.000That is really, really dangerous because the next government that comes along, you know, it's a Republican administration and they, you know, they got in there with money from the oil industry.
00:12:59.000Or the coal industry or the chemical industry or Monsanto or whatever, you know, it's just as easy for them to do what you just said, which is to say, you know, Kennedy is involved with mountaintop removal mining and he's trying to Clean the oil industry out of the wetlands in South Louisiana and the Mississippi Delta, and we need to shut him down on those issues.
00:13:24.000We need to make sure that his voice is not heard on the XL pipeline and all of these other issues.
00:13:30.000Well, they're really, I will have to say, drunk with power.
00:13:33.000And when people are drunk with power, they always forget that it could be That that's not a permanent condition.
00:13:39.000It could be them on the receiving end.
00:13:40.000It's not just those issues that could be targeted with another administration or even this one with the right backers and donors and pressures.
00:13:48.000There could be wiping out of LGBTQ voices or wiping out of discussions of reproductive rights.
00:13:56.000I mean, people really have to imagine that if it happens to you, it's not going to stop with you.
00:14:04.000I didn't know this until today about a holy man because it's mentioned in the article, but he's gay and he's mad.
00:14:13.000It takes notice in the article that he's married to a man.
00:14:19.000That is a community that has been subject to extreme bigotry by the majority.
00:14:26.000And you would think that people who have had that experience, which I'm sure that he's experienced terrible, terrible prejudice and damaging prejudice in his lifetime, and he has children, who also might be subject to that kind of prejudice, but you would think that anybody who is in a minority position would understand the danger Of empowering the majority to silence minority voices.
00:14:55.000And, you know, how hazardous, what a peril that is to human rights and civil rights in every respect.
00:15:15.000You know, is still involved, still benefiting from his inventions and patents in the tech space.
00:15:22.000And at the same time, he's invested in and distributing vaccines.
00:15:26.000Doesn't it create a truly unholy alliance now that this kind of, I don't even know what to call it, gesture has been completed of an elected official calling on Silicon Valley to erase someone critical of Don't we have the danger of these kind of conflicted tech bros who might be invested in the software, in the platform?
00:15:50.000You know, Microsoft has the model for the vaccine passport, quote unquote, and the former CEO is also invested in vaccines and distributing vaccines around the world through his nonprofits.
00:16:03.000Couldn't that create a kind of It's really a kind of totalitarian reality in which the message about vaccines, the investment in the software to produce the vaccine passports, the ownership of the platform in which we talk about vaccines, Are all owned by the same people.
00:16:24.000I mean, that's what we've been talking about from the beginning.
00:16:27.000Gates has these incestuous relationships with Anthony Fauci that go back 20 years, where he's paying Fauci, and they have all kinds of really corrupt financial entanglements with each other.
00:16:41.000He brought Fauci to his $189 million house in Seattle, brought him into the den, Sat him down and said, I want to have a partnership with you.
00:16:52.000The way that Fauci explains it is that Fauci would develop the drugs and then pass them on to the drug companies, Merck, Sanofi, Gilead, Johnson& Johnson.
00:17:10.000Gates would then guarantee markets in Africa through his control of WHO. Wow.
00:17:16.000Those companies don't want to give vaccines to Africa because it's very uncertain.
00:17:20.000You know, Botswana has a government this year that says, yeah, we want them and not next year.
00:17:25.000And Gates, because he controls WHO, he controls those countries because...
00:17:32.000The WHO pays for their health ministries and supplies all their HIV medications, and they have to do what WHO tells them to do.
00:17:43.000So he can require those countries to buy the vaccines from these companies, and he then is invested in In the companies, in Merck, he owns, you know, and by the way, AIDS has no pretension that he gives a crap about public health.
00:18:00.000His other investments are in tobacco companies, in processed foods, in Coca-Cola, in Cargill, in Monsanto, Philomorris, Kraft, you know, cheese.
00:18:13.000And then all the oil companies, which he owned stakes and virtually all of them.
00:18:18.000So he's not a guy who cares about climate or who cares about public health.
00:18:24.000He's a guy who cares about control and who is deeply, deeply involved.
00:18:45.000You got to shut down, you got to lock down, you got to wear a mask, and it will never end until you take your vaccine, which I'm making for you.
00:19:36.000That are in charge of censoring criticism of the lockdown, which is making them rich of all kind of incestuous, corrupt coup d'etat against American democracy, against public health, and using this, you know, biosecurity as a justification.
00:20:44.000Religion, the right to redo the religious freedom.
00:20:48.000Well, the first thing they did was get rid of the religious exemptions of vaccines, which are 100 years old, and then they closed the churches, kept the liquor stores open as essential businesses.
00:22:01.000So, and as you and I discussed last time around, there are new alliances to end on a, you know, a note of hope.
00:22:08.000New alliances are being formed between people disaffected with the left who were of the left, people on the right who know that now is not the time to be divided on the usual things that divide us.
00:22:18.000And I do see new allies coming together to fight for our freedoms, even though the oligarchs are also coming together across Sadly, in our country, mostly Democrats, but conservatives in other countries, it's nonpartisan.
00:22:34.000And that's the new axis, I think, where the battle has to be waged.
00:22:40.000My last question, you've been so generous with your time.
00:22:42.000The timing of this is very notable to me.
00:22:45.000Last night, all day yesterday on Twitter, women were sharing their stories of horrible effects.
00:22:53.000And I won't go again into the details of horrible kind of Menstrual effects, reproductive effects, real aberrant reactions, you know, as, and women know their bodies, right, to being vaccinated.
00:23:08.000There's no, you know, correlation is not causation, and there are no studies.
00:23:12.000There are no studies of pregnant women, no studies of lactating women with these vaccines, but women were in scores and scores and scores and hundreds telling their stories, and this got picked up by some women-oriented news outlets, and I was certainly also reporting it.
00:23:26.000Today, This announcement comes out about getting you off of Twitter.
00:23:30.000Today, Johnson& Johnson is suspended by the FDA and the CDC. Can you speak to that timing at all?
00:23:38.000I kind of feel like people were starting to really question this issue of no safety for pregnant women, women having these terrible outcomes, 77% of the adverse reactions being women.
00:23:54.000This was starting to get mainstream traction.
00:23:56.000And today, they withdrew the Johnson& Johnson vaccine, or they made the announcement about it.
00:24:02.000And today, you got announced as being about to be ejected from Twitter.
00:24:08.000Well, you know, the Johnson& Johnson vaccine had a problem because it uses a virus protein.
00:24:15.000It's really a witch's row of proteins, and nobody really knows what it is.
00:24:19.000What we'll do or what impacts it will have on autoimmunity particularly, and that's where the big problem, you know, that everybody anticipates is.
00:24:28.000With all of the other injuries they've had, you know, we've had so many deaths immediately following vaccination, but vaccine deaths and most vaccine injuries don't leave a fingerprint.
00:24:41.000So you can't tell whether that person died of a heart attack or whether it was a vaccine-caused heart attack.
00:25:33.000Nobody can say it's not, because there's no fingerprint.
00:25:36.000You have to count them all, and they have a system that by their own admissions counts fewer than 1%, not 1%, fewer than 1% of vaccine injuries.
00:25:47.000Why did Johnson& Johnson suddenly come clean and say, yes, all these women are getting blood clots?
00:25:54.000Because the particular injury that they were getting, which is a form of thrombosis, a venal thrombosis, is so rare.
00:26:05.000Frontline doctors were saying this could only come from the vaccine.
00:26:17.000And it was implausible for them to continue to deny it.
00:26:22.000So you're getting all these people injured.
00:26:24.000You're getting all these women who are having our reproductive problems.
00:26:29.000Who are losing their babies, who are getting, you know, having problems with their menstrual cycles, or having breast problems, all of these problems that are related to the reproductive system.
00:26:44.000They can dismiss them all, but they could not dismiss the thrombosis, you know, because it's so, so rare that everybody knows when you see it, it's got to be linked to the vaccine, and that's why they had to suspend it.
00:27:00.000And, you know, it's a scary time we live in because the public health agencies are not protecting public health.
00:27:06.000Their objective is not to save Americans' lives.
00:27:10.000It's to vaccinate as many people possible.