RFK Jr. The Defender - Surgeon General of Florida Dr Joseph Ladapo

Joseph Ladebo, MD and PhD is the State Surgeon General of Florida and a Professor of Medicine at the University of Florida where he conducts research on cardiovascular risk in low income and disadvantaged populations. He is the author of the new book, Transcend Fear, which explains how he was able to maintain critical thinking in the midst of a pandemic and orchestrated fear. Dr. LadeBOE also discusses his childhood trauma and how it shaped his ability to empathize with others, and how he managed to overcome a disabling childhood trauma that prevented him from empathizing with other people. He also discusses how he overcame his trauma and overcame his fear to become the first African-American to serve as Florida s first state surgeon general and the first black man to do so, and why he should be remembered as someone who was brave enough to stand up to the establishment and speak out against the fear that was holding us back from doing what was best for us. In this episode, he also talks about how he became the first person in the country to write a book about his own trauma, and shares the story of how he got to where he is today, and what it took him to do what he does in the face of fear and how that story led him to be the person he is now doing what he s doing today. This episode is sponsored by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, the most important thing he can do to improve the lives of others, not only in the world, but in his career, and in his personal and personal life, not just in his own home. . Thank you for listening to this episode. I really appreciate it, and I really do appreciate it. I hope you enjoy it. Thank you, Dr. Joe. -Bobby and I appreciate you, too, for being kind enough to share it with the rest of your friends and family and your support, and for sharing it on social media, your words, your support is so much more than you can be a voice for me, and your words of encouragement and support in my life, and so much of it is so important, so that I can have a chance to help other people s voice be heard in the next episode, and you can help me spread the word out there. and I hope it s a little bit more than just that I know that it s going out to the world - Thank you. XOXO, Joe Ladebao

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, my guest today is my friend and colleague, Dr.

00:00:04.000 Joseph Ladebo.

00:00:06.000 Dr.

00:00:06.000 Ladebo, MD and PhD, is the State Surgeon General of Florida.

00:00:11.000 He also serves as a professor of medicine at the University of Florida, where his research examines behavioral economic strategies to reduce cardiovascular risk in low income and disadvantaged populations.

00:00:25.000 His research has been much published and it is supported by the National Institute of Health, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

00:00:34.000 He's written about smoking, weight loss and other interventions, non-medical interventions for improving health and reducing coronary disease.

00:00:46.000 He's been published in the Journal of the American Medical Association and many, many other predominant journals.

00:00:54.000 He graduated from Wake Forest, received his medical degree from Harvard, and a PhD in health policy from the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences.

00:01:05.000 He completed his clinical training in internal medicine at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center.

00:01:12.000 Where he received the Harvard Medical School's Class of 2012 Resident Teaching Award.

00:01:18.000 And he's got so many other credentials and awards and qualifications here that I just can't read them all on this podcast.

00:01:27.000 But all of those credentials are probably the least...

00:01:31.000 The most impressive thing about Joe Lattopo to me, and the most impressive thing is that he's probably the only health commissioner or director in the country that was not subsumed in the orthodoxy, that did not give in to the fear, which had a disabling effect on critical thinking during the pandemic.

00:01:59.000 And cause people to simply do what they were told and comply with the official orthodoxies rather than ask common sense questions and do personal first original research.

00:02:17.000 Talk to doctors, talk to epidemiologists, to independent thinkers, and try to figure out how do we actually treat this pandemic.

00:02:29.000 And Dr.

00:02:30.000 Ladebo has a new book out, which I've written the introduction called.

00:02:33.000 It's called Transcend Fear.

00:02:35.000 It's a very apropos title because it really explains that dynamic.

00:02:42.000 How do you preserve your capacity for critical thinking during a crisis?

00:02:48.000 And Dr.

00:02:49.000 Latipo has a very, very unusual...

00:02:52.000 I always wonder how the people who are resisting the orthodoxy How they arrived at that ability to continue critically thinking in the midst of a crisis and orchestrated fear.

00:03:09.000 And Dr.

00:03:09.000 Latipow probably has one of the most unusual stories for how he arrived at that place.

00:03:16.000 And I'd like to talk to you about that, if you're willing, Dr.

00:03:19.000 Latipow.

00:03:19.000 You do talk about it in your book.

00:03:21.000 And it's a fascinating, fascinating story because you were literally...

00:03:26.000 Disabled by fear during more than half your life.

00:03:31.000 Tell us about that.

00:03:33.000 Oh, thanks, Bobby.

00:03:34.000 And Bobby, I want to thank you again for having me on.

00:03:36.000 I want to thank you for your friendship because I really appreciated it because I admire you and your bravery and integrity.

00:03:43.000 I'm glad we got to meet you in person, my wife and I, before we left California since it's harder now.

00:03:50.000 It is true, ironically, that I had to really be quite consumed by fear in order to basically wreck my internal, my personal life in terms of my relationship with my wife and my relationship with other people who are close to me, family members, and the relationship I was building with my kids.

00:04:14.000 To be in a position where I had no choice but to accept help, and my wife found me to help.

00:04:21.000 You came from a childhood drama, which possessed you during your first...

00:04:28.000 You describe yourself as having powered through this education despite this, you know, really almost a disabling capacity to even empathize with other people because you were so traumatized by what happened to you as a child.

00:04:44.000 Yeah, that's exactly right, Bobby.

00:04:46.000 And I didn't even know, I mean, I didn't know the extent of the effect that that experience had on me until, you know, basically my life kind of fell apart when sort of the act that I had been putting on fell apart when I fell in love with my wife.

00:05:03.000 Because one of the things about love is that all the things that aren't working in your life, it brings them to the surface.

00:05:10.000 And so I was forced to deal with things and face things that I either didn't know were there or knew were there, but thought were, you know, things that were fine, but they weren't fine at all.

00:05:24.000 With trauma, different types, right?

00:05:26.000 Sexual, physical, you know, psychological.

00:05:29.000 They just affect people in different ways.

00:05:31.000 And for me, I was sexually abused by a babysitter when I was like four years old.

00:05:38.000 And I thought, you know, I remembered it from, you know, as I got older, and I thought it wasn't a big deal.

00:05:46.000 I thought, you know, it happened, but it didn't affect me.

00:05:50.000 But in fact, what it did was it basically kind of froze my emotional development in terms of, and not even just froze it, but really almost placed it into sort of a prison or a lockbox and kind of took its sort of life and ability and expression out.

00:06:10.000 Essentially, I kind of went through life Basically, emotionally numb, you know, not reacting to things the same way as other people, unable to create genuine emotional connections, genuine connections with other people.

00:06:26.000 And I thought it was normal, because that's how I was.

00:06:29.000 And that's how I remembered.

00:06:30.000 And that's just how things were.

00:06:33.000 And then, I mean, part of your story is a wonderful story.

00:06:36.000 You fell in love with your wife.

00:06:38.000 You hit a crisis in your life because you were incapable of intimacy and incapable of...

00:06:43.000 She saw these huge holes.

00:06:46.000 She loved you but saw these huge holes in the pain that you were in.

00:06:51.000 And in order to save that relationship, you ended up being saved by a very unlikely guy, who was a Navy SEAL. That's right.

00:07:00.000 His name is Christopher Mayher.

00:07:02.000 He was an expert in fear management, essentially.

00:07:05.000 Yeah, he's actually an expert in trauma.

00:07:08.000 You know, and helping people shed their trauma and all the effects that trauma has on our physical being, our mental being, our emotional being, our spiritual being.

00:07:19.000 And I met him, my wife told me to go see him.

00:07:24.000 And I think it was around October of 2019.

00:07:26.000 So it was like 14 years, 15 years into our relationship.

00:07:31.000 And as you can imagine, she was like, she was way beyond the end of her rope.

00:07:35.000 And basically dealing with me and she, you know, fortunately, she could see I was a good man, am a good man inside.

00:07:42.000 But, you know, I was struggling with You name it.

00:07:46.000 Because, you know, everything with our relationship, everything with our kids, because I was locked in, I was afraid of everything.

00:07:54.000 And I'm not exaggerating.

00:07:57.000 Like, literally, that was the frequency in which I lived and operated, was the frequency of fear.

00:08:02.000 You know, it's interesting because one of the people we kind of have in common is Gavin DeBacker.

00:08:07.000 And I don't know if you've ever read his book, The Gift of Fear, which was a bestseller.

00:08:14.000 And, you know, he's been an incredible advisor to Democrats and Republicans and presidents, etc.

00:08:22.000 He's probably the leading expert on security in the world.

00:08:25.000 But also, he's been an advisor to Governor DeSantis on some of these issues.

00:08:30.000 And he's very bipartisan.

00:08:33.000 He talks about fear ultimately as a gift, if we handle it correctly.

00:08:38.000 But he also notes what happened during this pandemic is that sinister forces can manipulate people by orchestrating fear in order to promote an agenda.

00:08:54.000 Absolutely.

00:08:55.000 I read Gavin's book and really enjoyed it.

00:08:59.000 There is listening to your You know, your intuition.

00:09:02.000 And that's, you know, I'm not going to put words into Gavin's mouth, but as I understood his book, that's kind of the intuition, really.

00:09:10.000 And sometimes your intuition is, you know, tells you something's not right here, and there's fear.

00:09:17.000 And, you know, and your intuition says other things.

00:09:19.000 So there's that, which is incredibly important.

00:09:23.000 That's a gift from God.

00:09:25.000 I actually, it's funny because Gavin, I think, as I was reading his book, he makes it not clinical, but almost scientific.

00:09:31.000 You know, I don't know if Gavin would agree with me, because beyond the scientific, there is an intuitive sense of different things, including, you know, danger and how people are and what people's intentions are and motivations are, that is not learned, at least not learned from our own kind of experiences in this lifetime.

00:09:52.000 It is a gift from God.

00:09:54.000 And, you know, my wife, for example, her ability to know things about people and about what's motivating people and what they're thinking about and what they want, that's a gift from God for her.

00:10:09.000 There's a difference between that and the fear.

00:10:12.000 The fear that's more, it's not even anxiety necessarily, but that can be, you know, a form of it.

00:10:19.000 But sort of living in it as if that's the frequency of life rather than the frequency of joy and openness and expression and curiosity.

00:10:30.000 That's a different phenomenon.

00:10:32.000 Same word, but it really means different things.

00:10:35.000 Yeah.

00:10:36.000 You know, during the pandemic, now you, Governor DeSantis chose you, and it was kind of, it was a courageous, unusual decision for him to bring this doctor from California.

00:10:48.000 He's a Republican.

00:10:49.000 You're a Democrat.

00:10:50.000 He brought you from California to manage the pandemic in his state.

00:10:56.000 How did that happen?

00:10:58.000 So during the pandemic, as you remember, there weren't many voices initially.

00:11:02.000 I mean...

00:11:03.000 95 out of 100 people, maybe 98 out of 100, were really saying the same thing in terms of this nonsense about staying in your house and avoid other human beings because they could kill you or you could kill them. 0.99

00:11:17.000 All that nonsense.

00:11:19.000 The kids can't go to school.

00:11:20.000 Almost everyone either was saying that or believed that it was okay to do that.

00:11:26.000 There were a few people that weren't.

00:11:29.000 You were one of those people.

00:11:31.000 I mean, now there are many.

00:11:33.000 But in the beginning, there weren't many.

00:11:35.000 And it just so happened that the week that Governor Newsom shut down the state of California, I was working in the hospital at UCLA, Ronald Reagan, in Los Angeles, and some of the patients I took care of were patients with COVID. So not only did I get to take care of patients with COVID that week, but I also got to see what was happening around me.

00:11:59.000 In terms of the hospital leadership and administration in just full-out panic, my residents, people on my team, lots of fear and panic, and patients, some of whom were actually completely fine, but who thought they were going to die because of the news reports.

00:12:18.000 Who had COVID. You know, so I wrote an article that was accepted into USA Today right after that, that week, and I got some feedback that was critical from my wife, ended up writing another, I think about a dozen articles in the Wall Street Journal.

00:12:35.000 You know, that kind of put me on the radar a bit.

00:12:37.000 And it was part of how Governor DeSantis' team came to know me.

00:12:44.000 Those were critical of the official COVID response, those articles.

00:12:50.000 They were.

00:12:51.000 And they were just sensible.

00:12:52.000 I mean, you know, what's good is, I mean, you look at these guys, right?

00:12:56.000 They're like, oh, you know, Dr.

00:12:57.000 Fauci, oh no, I never said the kids couldn't go to school.

00:12:59.000 And of course he said the kids couldn't go to school.

00:13:02.000 You know, he said it on tape that everything should be locked down.

00:13:05.000 Man, it almost makes my head hurt, Bobby, how, like, they're all pretending that, like, it's okay not to have the vaccine passports and it's okay not to do all these terrible things they were doing.

00:13:16.000 What's great is that you look at stuff that you wrote, I wrote, and other people wrote, and it's the same.

00:13:23.000 It's as true then as it is now.

00:13:25.000 Not all this changing the story about what you think should happen.

00:13:29.000 You know, I had a guy who I took a hike with, and he's a guy I didn't really know him.

00:13:35.000 He's my wife's ex-husband's best friend, and he was staying at my house for the weekend.

00:13:41.000 It was the first time I met him, but we took a hike, and he's a liberal Democrat.

00:13:45.000 He's from Denver, and he said to me...

00:13:49.000 He was very aligned with me on the response, and he said the thing that turned him around...

00:13:55.000 Is that he depended on exercise, playing basketball every afternoon.

00:14:01.000 The neighborhood where he plays, there's a public court in Denver, and it's a very kind of diverse, it's blacks, whites, Hispanics, and they all play.

00:14:11.000 And he said that the day they declared a lockdown, Parks Department and Police came to that basketball court and all the other basketball courts and they either padlocked them if there was a fence around them or on his basketball court where there was no fence, they removed the rims on the baskets. Parks Department and Police came to that basketball court and

00:14:30.000 And, you know, here in Venice off of Los Angeles where I am, they took the skate park or kids skateboard outside and they put sand, they covered it in sand so the kids couldn't skateboard themselves.

00:14:46.000 They dropped the volleyball nets down all along the beaches, outside nets.

00:14:51.000 And when the people came back and put up nets of their own, The Parks Department came and removed all the posts.

00:14:58.000 They were ticketing surfers and another guy in a kayak who I know who got a thousand dollar ticket for being on the ocean.

00:15:07.000 Now this is a disease that spreads indoors.

00:15:10.000 So they're taking all these people who are getting sunlight and vitamin D and being outside, and they're putting them inside where, you know, it's like Brad Weinstein said to me, everything they did was the inverse of what you would want to do if you were actually trying to prevent everything they did was the inverse of what you would want It was really quite striking.

00:15:31.000 I couldn't agree with you and your friend more, Bobby, It's so sad.

00:15:36.000 They took the rims down in the local park that we took our kids to, and we kept taking our kids through throughout the pandemic.

00:15:43.000 And even when they were the only ones out there, we'd take them there early on.

00:15:48.000 That's how it was.

00:15:50.000 I just, it made me, it was so heartbreaking to me.

00:15:53.000 I mean, the basketball, pickup basketball, that is like, it may not be quite as American as baseball, but boy, you know, so many neighborhoods, people coming together, all different backgrounds, like the basketball court is an equalizer.

00:16:10.000 And it was really heartbreaking and frankly infuriating to see people do things like that.

00:16:17.000 Particularly in the poor neighborhoods, because now you're locking people in homes where many of them don't have air conditioning.

00:16:27.000 They're crowded homes, overcrowded.

00:16:32.000 I just did another little book that talks about the impacts of the COVID countermeasures on the poor.

00:16:41.000 It was like a war on the poor in this country.

00:16:45.000 And all the additions of social deterioration, drug addiction, suicide, loss IQ, loss vocalization and reading ability, declines in math and sciences and arts and history, dramatic declines in learning, the starvation of hundreds of thousands of people around the world.

00:17:07.000 And lost income, it was really just like a direct hit on the board.

00:17:12.000 The only indicia of social deterioration that actually improved during the pandemic was that child abuse reports dropped dramatically.

00:17:24.000 The reason they dropped is because the schools were closed.

00:17:28.000 And the schools is where child abuse gets reported.

00:17:33.000 Most of those reports emanate from the schools.

00:17:35.000 So they took these kids who were abused and they locked them at home with their abusers during the two years of the pandemic.

00:17:42.000 You know, you can get the exact data by looking at my book, which is called A Letter to Liberals.

00:17:47.000 You know, it was a war on the poor.

00:17:49.000 I totally agree with you.

00:17:51.000 And I'll read your book, Bobby.

00:17:53.000 These stats, many of our leaders now are just completely ignoring that stuff.

00:17:58.000 So, you know, another stat that came out of a study from some researchers at Harvard, which I'm sure you're familiar with, basically showed that these academic gaps, you know, between black and white and Hispanic and white children widened during the pandemic.

00:18:14.000 Especially in states that kept the schools closed, but not in states like Florida that didn't.

00:18:21.000 There was no widening of the gaps in Florida.

00:18:25.000 You know, Dr.

00:18:26.000 Fauci never mentioned that.

00:18:28.000 At least my doctor.

00:18:30.000 Dr.

00:18:31.000 Walensky.

00:18:32.000 So they do this stuff, and then they don't want to be responsible for these things that they did.

00:18:38.000 So I look forward to reading more of the things that isn't getting news coverage, but is critically important.

00:18:45.000 They don't really know how to handle you because the liberal media really wants to discredit you, but I think because you're Black, they have to tiptoe a little bit around it, but they have hammered you a lot.

00:18:59.000 Can you talk about that a little and how you react to that internally, how you process those kind of attacks?

00:19:07.000 Yeah, yeah, totally.

00:19:09.000 You know, I don't know if they're pulling any punches, Bobby.

00:19:12.000 They probably It's been pretty brutal, man.

00:19:15.000 It's interesting because one of the things that came out of my work with Christopher, so definitely kind of my ability to connect with other people emotionally, that was so huge for me.

00:19:25.000 And that happened actually after the first day from some of the, he uses a combination of Chinese medicine techniques and a lot of techniques related to improving the flow of, increasing the flow of chi and like meridian theory and stuff.

00:19:41.000 Which I didn't understand, don't really fully understand now, but still I'm a beneficiary of it.

00:19:46.000 But in addition to that, right, there's other stuff that we deal with.

00:19:49.000 So there's shame, there's fear is really the central one, but shame is another big, powerful emotional challenge that many of us have in different ways.

00:19:59.000 And with the attacks, most of the time, I was getting videotaped for something and the guy said, oh man, they're really coming after you.

00:20:07.000 You must have really thick skin.

00:20:09.000 And I said, no, I don't.

00:20:12.000 Actually, I feel everything.

00:20:13.000 But I let it pass through me.

00:20:15.000 I just go with it.

00:20:16.000 And very little of it affects me, at least in my conscious mind.

00:20:22.000 Sometimes I'll feel like probably the most intense period was when the senator, the whole mask incident with the senator.

00:20:29.000 Put on a mask.

00:20:30.000 No, I don't want to.

00:20:31.000 Why don't we go outside?

00:20:32.000 Put on a mask.

00:20:33.000 No, I don't want to.

00:20:34.000 Wait a minute.

00:20:35.000 Was this DeSantis told the kids to take off your mask?

00:20:40.000 Where did you go?

00:20:43.000 Not that.

00:20:43.000 This was one of the senators in Florida.

00:20:46.000 And there was an incident in her office where she was trying to force me to wear a mask. 0.84

00:20:52.000 And I said that, you know, she stated that she had some health concerns and I suggested we go outside.

00:20:58.000 She was concerned about health since that's much lower risk than sitting in an indoor office.

00:21:05.000 There was a ton of media attention.

00:21:08.000 Colbert even did jokes about it.

00:21:11.000 Was there media?

00:21:12.000 In the room when this was going on?

00:21:15.000 No, this was an innocent private meeting that turned into national news.

00:21:20.000 And during that time, it was very intense, and I felt shame during that time.

00:21:28.000 And one of the techniques that I learned, first of all, my wife was like incredibly helpful, kind of helping, because you can't make good decisions when you're, you know, entangled up in emotions that aren't, you know, you're authentic you, that they're, you know, stuff that just comes up.

00:21:45.000 So whether it's fear, shame is another one.

00:21:48.000 And I was dealing with shame.

00:21:51.000 And between my wife and some techniques that I actually learned from working with Christopher, I was able to get through that and sort of see it clearly.

00:21:59.000 So sometimes I use some techniques to kind of stay within myself when the projection from the media kind of gets to me.

00:22:07.000 But for the most part, it doesn't really bother me.

00:22:10.000 It's mostly nonsense and, you know, I've got a mission.

00:22:13.000 I fly a lot.

00:22:15.000 And normally I was not wearing a mask during the pandemic because I actually read the science on the masks and they don't, you know, I saw what the science was saying.

00:22:25.000 We were assembling all the science.

00:22:27.000 Every scientific study we could find en masse, we were assembling at CHD and posting on our website whether they were supportive of mass, which were very few, or whether they were exploding, the theory of mass.

00:22:40.000 So I knew that the mass didn't work.

00:22:42.000 The cloth mass actually have no efficacy and actually have a negative efficacy in that they're associated with respiratory injuries, with gum injuries, with skin injuries.

00:22:57.000 And then also the spread of disease.

00:22:59.000 So there is a negative efficacy.

00:23:01.000 But if somebody asks me to wear a mask on the airplane you got over there, they're going to throw you off and your name goes on a list and you never fly again.

00:23:11.000 So I got used to putting them on those airplanes.

00:23:14.000 Right.

00:23:15.000 But normally if somebody, if I was in a senator's office and they said, well, you put on a mask, I would say, okay, You're possessed in the fear, and I'm going to go along with you to band it with you, but you had made a decision that even when they ask you, you're not going to do it.

00:23:32.000 Certainly not.

00:23:33.000 Did you make that decision before you went in there, or did you just say, I'm not going to do this at that moment?

00:23:40.000 Yeah, it was in the moment, just because I read the room, and it wasn't hard to read her and Intentions and motivations behind what she was saying.

00:23:50.000 So, you know, I haven't worked in the hospital.

00:23:52.000 I mean, at UCLA, I wore one when I'd walk around the hospital, and I hated it because I find them incredibly uncomfortable. 0.91

00:24:02.000 I think they're ridiculous.

00:24:04.000 I think no one should have to wear one if you're not comfortable with it, with the exception of, like, if you're a doctor and you just, yeah, it's just a protocol, like you're seeing a patient with tuberculosis or something like that. 0.93

00:24:15.000 Even if they quote-unquote worked, people have a right to control what happens with their face, you know, and their nose and their mouth.

00:24:23.000 Like, that is your God-given right.

00:24:25.000 So it's this whole mask thing.

00:24:27.000 I just, I wish it would end.

00:24:29.000 And even today in the store, I saw people walking around with them.

00:24:32.000 And it's just like, guys, this is not evidence-based and it's mostly nonsense.

00:24:38.000 Yeah, you know, the guy who took the walk for me, the guy from Denver, he said one of the other things that occurred to him.

00:24:45.000 And he's not, he did not really even know what I do.

00:24:49.000 So it was kind of a case of first impression from him.

00:24:53.000 And he was just talking about these misgivings that he had.

00:24:57.000 But one of the things he said, he said, when they started asking me to wear a mask, he said, my wife has been in chemotherapy for five years.

00:25:04.000 And nobody was wearing a mask to protect her.

00:25:08.000 You know, there are people who out there, there are kids and adults who are immune compromised all the time, who have special vulnerabilities to bacteriological and viral infections.

00:25:22.000 We don't make a law that says everybody's got to wear a mask to protect them.

00:25:27.000 So anyway, it was just interesting.

00:25:30.000 No, you're right, Bobby.

00:25:31.000 I mean, it is political, the persistence of it.

00:25:36.000 It's unfortunate because what I would love is for us to go back to where we were, where it wasn't the norm.

00:25:42.000 But people whose intentions were to sort of normalize it, unfortunately, they have made a little bit of ground.

00:25:49.000 And it's unfortunate that they've had that success.

00:25:53.000 How are you liking their job?

00:25:55.000 I enjoy the job.

00:25:56.000 You know, it's been a learning experience since it's completely different from what I did before as a doctor and a researcher.

00:26:03.000 But I enjoy the job and I'm mostly, more than anything, I'm just, I'm grateful to, I'm certainly terrific to work with Governor DeSantis and grateful to have an opportunity to have a bit of a louder voice than I had when I was a, you know, professor at UCLA. You know,

00:26:20.000 one of the things you and I have talked about in the past is this problem that the CDC tightly controls the databases, like the Vaccine Safety Database, VSD, which is the biggest repository for vaccine and health information.

00:26:37.000 And it's been frustrating for 15 years for me that they won't let any independent scientists in to see it.

00:26:43.000 It's the database for the top HMOs.

00:26:47.000 So they have, for 10 million Americans, they have all their vaccine records, and they have all their health records.

00:26:53.000 So you could do pretty easily, you could do a...

00:26:58.000 A cluster analysis or machine counting, you know, an AI analysis, where you go in there and you look at the intervention, whether it's hepatitis B vaccine, and then you see if there's an increase in diabetes and ASD, ADHD, autism, or whatever.

00:27:14.000 And you can answer all these questions that people have been wondering about.

00:27:19.000 But the CDC will not let anybody do those kind of studies.

00:27:22.000 They absolutely kill them.

00:27:25.000 And nobody's allowed...

00:27:27.000 Even scientists who ordered the CDC, there's a pair of scientists, and Congress ordered CDC to allow them open access to the records.

00:27:38.000 CDC still refused.

00:27:39.000 They do not want anybody in there.

00:27:41.000 You, as the director of the Florida Health Department, you have a huge database in Florida, and potentially you can open it up and allow some of these studies to get done on very, very large populations.

00:27:56.000 Yeah, that is correct, Bobby.

00:27:59.000 That's right.

00:28:00.000 And we don't, I don't know what's happening in the CDC, but they clearly want to control what people believe is true.

00:28:09.000 And we don't have any interest in that.

00:28:11.000 We just are interested in the truth.

00:28:14.000 So we don't have the same agenda as they do.

00:28:17.000 That agenda, I hope, crumbles at the CDC because it's an awful agenda.

00:28:22.000 It basically serves pharmaceutical companies first and not patients first.

00:28:30.000 Truth is not something to be afraid of.

00:28:34.000 Dr.

00:28:35.000 Joe, where can people get your book?

00:28:37.000 They can get it on Amazon.

00:28:39.000 I think Barnes& Noble has it too.

00:28:42.000 Big mega monster Amazon, though, I think is probably going to be the... 0.82

00:28:47.000 It's called Transcend Fear by Dr.

00:28:50.000 Joseph Latipo.

00:28:51.000 The book is fascinating and I hope you'll get it and I hope you get onto the bestseller list and it's a way of all of us supporting Dr.

00:29:01.000 Joe and supporting actually somebody who really, a medical bureaucrat who actually cares about public health rather than career.

00:29:11.000 Thank you very much, Dr.

00:29:12.000 Joe Latipo.

00:29:13.000 Where can people find you on social media?

00:29:16.000 They can go to Twitter.

00:29:18.000 We have a Florida Surgeon General Twitter thing.

00:29:22.000 Thank you very much, Dr.

00:29:24.000 Joe Latipo, Surgeon General of Florida.

00:29:26.000 Thank you.

RFK Jr. The Defender - August 16, 2022

Surgeon General of Florida Dr Joseph Ladapo

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