Dr. Meryl Nass is a board-certified internist in Maine, known for her expertise in anthrax, bioterrorism, and the Gulf War Syndrome. She's also an extraordinary doctor in the state of Maine, but the Medical Board is trying to take away her license for telling the truth, which is now a crime among doctors in this country. Dr. Nass tells us what happened to her, why she's fighting it, and why she thinks doctors should be allowed to tell their patients the truth about the things they need to know in order to be able to treat them. She also talks about California's new law that could outlaw doctors who speak publicly about those subjects, and how that could affect her ability to treat her patients in the future. She's our guest today, and we couldn't be more excited to have her on the show. We love you, Meryl! Thank you so much for being our guest, and for sharing your story with us! We can't wait to hear back from you, and will be looking forward to talking to you again next week about what you think of this episode! xoxo, Erika and Mike - The Best Doctor in the Country - Erika & Mike - Thank you for coming on the pod! - Caitlyn's Note: This episode was produced and edited by Erika's Note is a little bit longer than the previous episode, so please bear with us in the length, so we can be sure about the quality of the audio quality in this one. and the fact that it's going to be better next week, we'll be getting a little better in the next episode. . We'll be posting it on the next week. Thank you, Caitie and Mike's Note? Caitie & Mike's note is a lot more detailed, and you'll get a chance to hear it in a longer version of this one, next week! -- -- Thank you! -- we'll see you next week's update on the audio from the podcast! -- -- and we'll know more about the audio in a couple of weeks. -- We'll get back in a few weeks, so don't forget to send us a little more of this, right? -- thank you, please be sure we'll get the rest of the stuff we've been getting a better, better, and more of that, right?? -- Caitie,
00:00:00.000Hey everybody, we have a return guest, one of our favorite return guests today, Dr.
00:00:05.000Meryl Nass, my hero, who earned her B.S. in biology from MIT and her M.D. from the University of Mississippi in 1980, where her husband was a faculty member.
00:00:17.000She's a board-certified internist in Maine, known for her expertise in anthrax, bioterrorism, anthrax vaccine, the Gulf War Syndrome.
00:00:26.000She identified the first modern use of anthrax as a biological weapon, which occurred in 1978 during the Rhodesian Civil War.
00:00:35.000She has testified for seven congressional committees on bioterrorism vaccines, the anthrax letters, and Gulf War syndrome.
00:00:42.000She has consulted for the Director of National Intelligence and the World Bank on the Prevention and Mitigation of Bioterrorism.
00:00:49.000Her son practices medicine at UVM Burlington.
00:00:56.000Local physician in the state of Maine, but the medical board is trying to take away her license for telling the truth, which is now a crime among doctors in this country.
00:01:07.000Tell us what your case is right now, Merrill.
00:01:10.000So the medical board accused me last January of being so far out that they needed to immediately suspend my license before they had a hearing, before they heard one word out of my mouth, because I was spreading misinformation, prescribing ivermectin, and saying things that did not make people want to get vaccinated with the COVID vaccines.
00:01:33.000And immediately ordered a neuropsychological examination, which they needed to do in order to immediately suspend me, to give me a big black mark in the national doctor database so that I'd never be able to get a job anywhere else.
00:01:48.000And to be able to put my case, the documents from my case out into the public record and And so the next day, the Associated Press and everybody else was writing articles about this terrible doctor from Maine, although it wasn't clear from the articles exactly what I'd done.
00:02:04.000So what I'd done was answer questions in interviews, basically, and give people ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine according to the Maine law.
00:02:13.000So for now, almost nine months, I have not had a medical license.
00:02:17.000My patients have been without a doctor, and the board has been slowly figuring out that all the charges, I don't know about all, but almost all the charges against me, they aren't going to be able to prosecute.
00:02:30.000There is a law in the United States, it's called the First Amendment.
00:02:34.000If I'm allowed to say whatever I want in public, what California did on Friday was to enact a new law that That would criminalize doctors who tell their patients the truth about ivermectin, remdesivir, hydroxychloroquine, and COVID vaccines.
00:02:52.000But the California law was very careful to exclude doctors speaking publicly about those subjects.
00:03:00.000Doctors are allowed to speak publicly, they're just not allowed to tell their patients about it.
00:03:06.000Anyway, in Maine, the only thing they know about, they didn't have a microphone in my office.
00:03:11.000They don't know what I told my patients, but they do know what I said during interviews.
00:03:17.000So subsequently, they've dropped the complaint of misinformation and disinformation.
00:03:23.000They've said they don't want to argue about off-label prescribing.
00:03:27.000They may or may not have figured out that the FDA is issuing an emergency use authorization and It has nothing to do with what I prescribed because the medication that you get from pharmacies was not under the emergency use authorization.
00:03:41.000That only applied to some donated products that were unlicensed, but I was using the licensed product.
00:03:48.000And as far as the vaccines, last week the board said they don't want to discuss vaccines either, because of course the data now shows that I was correct about vaccines as well as about the other things.
00:04:00.000So they've dropped most of the charges.
00:04:02.000They would like to narrow the case, exclude my expert witnesses, and say that I didn't Require informed consents from the patients, which is ridiculous.
00:04:13.000I wasn't asking the patients whether they would agree to a phone visit.
00:04:17.000I was offering them an in-person visit if they wanted one, and they chose a phone visit.
00:04:22.000The board doesn't seem to know that phone visits were specifically allowed by the governor and the Department of Health, so they were trying to get me on the fact that I gave some people phone visits instead of video visits, and it was whatever the patient wanted, depending on their Their ability and my ability to connect.
00:05:01.000And as you pointed out, they have outlawed.
00:05:04.000Gavin Newsom has signed a bill that literally outlaws second opinions by doctors, you know, who are trying to heal their patients.
00:05:13.000We're applying their gifts of healing, of their knowledge of medicine, and applying their best judgment.
00:05:22.000And what he's saying is that doctors no longer have this unique and sacred relationship with patients that has been true since Hippocrates.
00:05:34.000The doctors treat the patient instead.
00:05:37.000In the state of California, the doctor is now the agent of state policies.
00:05:43.000And those are policies that in some cases aren't even made by doctors.
00:05:47.000They're made by regulators who are under the sway of pharmaceutical companies.
00:05:56.000We think that what he's done is violates the First Amendment and a lot of other So we're looking at that right now and we will litigate against them.
00:06:05.000And we're all over the country now defending doctors like yours and providing resources and attorneys for in cases like yours where doctors are being prosecuted for practicing medicine.
00:06:19.000And I wanted to ask you, and we only have a short time, I wanted to ask you about this article that you did for The Defender this week, really an important article, and it's on the boosters.
00:06:32.000What the government, the FDA and CDC have done is to create a new COVID vaccine.
00:06:39.000And the new vaccine is half the old vaccine and half an Omicron-specific messenger RNA. Otherwise, it's supposed to be the same as the old one.
00:06:50.000And in order to speed up its availability, even though cases, deaths, ICU stays are about The lowest they've ever been, almost since the start of the pandemic.
00:07:03.000The government wanted to roll these out very quickly.
00:07:05.000And so they didn't bother testing them in human beings.
00:07:08.000And they only tested them in a, we don't know how many, but a small number of mice.
00:07:12.000And you cannot correlate what happens to mice with what happens to people.
00:07:25.000There's a Pfizer and a Moderna, and they were both authorized the same day, on the 31st of August, and rolled out by CDC's advisory committee the next day, September 1st.
00:07:37.000So the Moderna trial, not trial, but the Moderna test used at least 100 mice.
00:07:42.000I'm not sure how many the Pfizer vaccine used, but it doesn't really matter.
00:07:48.000They don't tell you how humans respond.
00:07:50.000So they don't tell you whether it's effective.
00:07:51.000They don't tell you whether it's safe.
00:07:53.000And those are the two questions that you need addressed.
00:07:56.000So these vaccines have rolled out, and I checked, CDC and the New York Times every day has updated data on how many people are dying, how many cases there are, and how many people have been vaccinated.
00:08:11.000And so in terms of this new Omicron booster, the CDC claims that 8 million people have taken one of these new boosters, but guess what?
00:08:21.000According to the New York Times, which gets its data from the CDC, 33% of Americans before these boosters rolled out had gotten a first booster.
00:08:33.000And now, New York Times says there's still 33% of Americans have gotten, you know, at least one booster.
00:08:40.000So, if people are getting the boosters, there are people who have already had multiple, okay?
00:08:46.000If, in fact, 8 million, there are already people who had three or four shots already.
00:08:51.000The people who had two shots don't want any more, okay?
00:08:55.000That's 67% of the population is not being boosted, regardless of whether they have old or new boosters.
00:09:02.000In terms of the safety, we have no idea.
00:09:05.000In terms of the efficacy of the new boosters, we don't know that either.
00:09:10.000although it was predicted by Tony Fauci's agency and by an article in Nature that they would be no better than the old vaccines.
00:09:21.000We don't know why they rolled them out.
00:09:24.000What's very curious is that a bunch of other countries on the same day rolled out new Omicron boosters, either the kind the United States is having or an earlier Omicron version.
00:09:37.000Those countries include the countries of the European Union, plus Switzerland, which isn't part of the EU, plus Canada, and the UK had also rolled them out within a few days, as well as the United States.
00:09:52.000So many countries at the exact same time rolled out either completely untested in humans or tested in a very small number of humans, you know, at the most a few hundred boosters for some unknown reason when none of these countries have very high rates of COVID now.
00:10:11.000We do have a bit of a COVID-19 Problem in New England, in the U.S., we are having cases, but they're not killing people, and they're not winding them up in ICUs, so they're milder.
00:10:24.000But because we in Maine were relatively spared previously, we're getting more cases now.
00:10:30.000And the people who are getting COVID, Dr.
00:10:34.000Nass, are they people who are vaccinated or unvaccinated?
00:10:39.000We have some data from Maine that shows, at the present moment, more of the vaccinated are dying or being hospitalized from COVID. The rate is higher.
00:10:58.000However, there's very poor data in the United States.
00:11:01.000And in Maine, the data are not age standardized, comorbidity standardized, or anything else.
00:11:07.000So we can say that more people are dying.
00:11:10.000We can't say for sure negative efficacy because you'd have to compare the rates of death anyway in the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
00:11:18.000We know that the vaccinated people are older than the unvaccinated.
00:11:25.000You can get to negative efficacy when you have age-standardized numbers.
00:11:31.000Those we have from New York State, which doesn't go into deaths, but it looked at children and teenagers and showed that after a certain number of weeks, depending on the age, it happened quicker in the younger kids, the 5 to 11s, and later in the 12 to 17-year-olds, about One to six months after being vaccinated, they would develop negative efficacy.
00:12:32.000And then after six months, the vaccinated go into negative efficacy, meaning that if you got vaccinated, you're more likely to get COVID than if you didn't get vaccinated.
00:12:55.000It was billed as being a more traditional vaccine than the messenger RNA, but it's not a traditional vaccine at all.
00:13:03.000The company's never had another product.
00:13:05.000They don't have a manufacturing facility, so it's being made in India.
00:13:10.000And it uses a platform that's only been used in the United States, I think in one other vaccine.
00:13:17.000So a platform means the method of producing the antigen, the spike protein.
00:13:23.000So what they've done is genetically engineered A baculovirus to, well, they've engineered the baculovirus to infect a worm, the fall army worm, grow those cells,
00:13:38.000grow the worm cells in tissue culture, infect them with the virus, and then by using the bacteria's machinery, the genetically engineered DNA virus We'll cause the bacterial cells to make spike protein.
00:13:55.000And then you take that fermentation and you clarify it so that you extract mostly spike protein.
00:14:05.000But you get a little bit of the worm proteins and the viral proteins.
00:14:10.000So you get five micrograms of spike protein and one microgram of worm and virus protein and a bit of their DNA in the vaccine.
00:15:06.000And the whole trick was to convince people who didn't want the old vaccines because they had been made using fetal cells That this one wouldn't use the fetal cells.
00:15:18.000So therefore, hospitals and other companies have been directed to take away the religious exemptions of people who said they wouldn't take the old vaccines because of fetal cells, because now the Novavax vaccine is available and they can get that one.
00:15:36.000So they're being instructed to get it.
00:15:56.000So I think one of the things was changing the definition of vaccine.
00:16:02.000We now have, through FOIA lawsuits, We can see people at CDC acknowledging that the mRNA vaccines were not included in the old vaccine definition, so they had to change it.
00:16:17.000I think other aspects of malfeasance at FDA, although we've heard about a lot of malfeasance at FDA over the last two and a half years, is the fact that they can authorize the boosters without human data.
00:16:31.000What they've said is, well, we do it for flu shots.
00:16:35.000Well, flu shots are completely different.
00:16:53.000And even Paul Offit has said that, you know, just because they are grandfathering in flu shots every year without human trials or very minimal human trials, that doesn't mean they can do that with these new shots.
00:17:57.000And so I would not, I'd like to tell your listeners, I will never take another vaccine as long as I live because God knows what's in them.
00:18:08.000You can't rely on the fact that anyone is testing them or that FDA is looking over anybody's shoulder to make sure that what's supposed to be in them is really in them.
00:18:17.000And it seems that the current COVID vaccines are being made with very sloppy processes We can't be sure what's in them.
00:18:25.000And why would we think they're going to do better with the other vaccines in the future?
00:18:30.000Finally, Meryl, know us about the pregnancy data.
00:18:34.000Well, so we know some things and some things we don't know.
00:18:40.000And so I want to say that the things we need to know have all been hidden.
00:18:44.000The CDC and the FDA are not making pregnancy data available.
00:18:52.000There are many things they have done to cover up these data.
00:18:56.000One was when FDA licensed the Comirnaty vaccine in August of last year, and then later the Moderna vaccine, they required that the companies perform safety testing in pregnancy, have a pregnancy registry.
00:19:13.000And CDC started a pregnancy registry about a year and a half ago.
00:19:17.000The pregnancy data going into VAERS looks horrendous.
00:19:22.000The fact that a lot of the lipid nanoparticle went into the ovaries of mice, you know, in the preclinical testing that Pfizer did.
00:19:31.000That's very scary, but we don't know exactly what it means.
00:19:42.000So something is going on with the reproductive system in many women, and it's very likely in men also, but they don't menstruate.
00:19:51.000So we don't have an obvious marker for that.
00:19:54.000What happened in the September 1 meeting of the CDC is that members of the advisory committee asked on several occasions, different members, what about pregnancy, what about births, stillbirths, etc.
00:20:10.000Nobody would say, and finally someone said, we're going to have a meeting in the future to discuss that.
00:20:15.000So all I can conclude is there's very bad information from the pregnancy data and they're still trying to figure out how to spin it.
00:20:23.000I know that the Moderna pregnancy data, the only data they had was animal data.
00:20:31.000And it was on a single rat study that was not good.
00:20:36.000Laboratory practices, non-GLP, which normally would have it excluded.
00:20:41.000And the study was incomplete and unpublished.
00:20:44.000But that study showed that a high percentage of the rat pups had really atrocious birth defects and particularly bone problems in those babies.
00:21:27.000This is a sociopathology that they would do this.
00:21:32.000Regulators who are supposed to protect little babies, most vulnerable population, are giving them something that the only data they have, it shows that this is very injurious to fetuses.
00:21:45.000Well, they do have the VAERS data, and they probably have V-safe data, so they know that more women are reporting miscarriages and fertility problems than with any other vaccine ever.
00:21:57.000They know that, and they're just trying to keep a lid on it as long as possible.