RFK Jr. The Defender - Vandana Shiva and Her New Book Terra Viva

Vandana Shiva is a Nobel Prize-winning physicist and nuclear physicist who has written 20 books, including her latest, Terra Viva, which chronicles the story of her life, her journey, and her fight against globalism and globalism. In this episode, Vandana talks about how she became a scientist, her early life in India, and how she fought the globalist agenda to get rid of biodiversity. She also talks about the dangers of climate change and the Davos Club, and the role of the "Davos Boys Club" in promoting globalism, climate change, and environmentalism. She is a passionate advocate for local sovereignty, local food, and local democracy, and for the relationship between the soil and climate. Vandana is also a champion of the fight against genetically modified organisms (GMOs) and their use in food production, and she has been a fierce opponent of the use of pesticides and herbicide glyphosate, which is a key ingredient in the controversial weed killer Roundup. . Vandana has been on this podcast before, but I have been working with her since almost the beginning of her career, and we have been corresponding since the early 1980s, when I first heard of her since the Cheapo movement that she had started in the 80s. She has been one of the most eloquent voices in the anti-globalism movement, fighting globalism and fighting against the globalists in the fight to protect the environment and local sovereignty a movement that I ve worked with since the 1980s and 90s, and I have long admired her for her courage and her courage in her fight for local, sustainable food and soil sovereignty. , local sovereignty and local food production. This episode is a must-listen to learn more about Vandana s journey and her impact on the fight for the planet. I hope you enjoy it! Thank you for listening and share it with your friends, family, family and friends. I am so grateful for all the support you ve shown me, and thank you for all your support and your support. I can t wait for more episodes like this one. -Bobby and I will see you next week for the next episode of the podcast. Timestar Vevolution - Tom Bells and I hope it is a good one! - Timestream: Terra viva - by vandana shiva v.

00:00:00.000 Well, my guest today is one of my favorite people in the world, Vandana Shiva.

00:00:04.000 And after writing 20 books, you finally decided to write your autobiography, Terra Viva, which is just the description, the chronicle of this incredible journey that Vandana Shiva has had.

00:00:21.000 Led Bandana Shiva.

00:00:22.000 For those of you who don't know her, and she's been on this podcast before, but I've been working with her since almost the beginning of my career.

00:00:31.000 I think in the 80s, it was the cheapo movement that you had started where I first heard of you, and we started kind of corresponding with each other.

00:00:41.000 But Vandana's changed the world the way the world thinks about the relationship between food and agriculture and democracy.

00:00:50.000 She's been one of the principal and, I believe, the most eloquent voices against globalism, globalization, and local sovereignty, local seeds, local democracy, good food, the relationship between the soil and climate.

00:01:08.000 She is a physicist and a nuclear physicist.

00:01:12.000 She's got a PhD also in philosophy, although I saw that the title of your thesis, your philosophy PhD, was Hidden Variables and Locality and Quantum Theory, which sounds more like the thesis for a physicist degree.

00:01:32.000 Well, I went to do a physics PhD with the student of David Bohm, because he didn't have, David Bohm didn't have a scholarship, so he sent me to his student, Jeffrey Poop.

00:01:43.000 And it just so happens that year at the University of Western Ontario, the Canada Council had attracted the top experts, the mathematicians, the physicists, the philosophers, the logicians, all working on the foundations of quantum theory.

00:02:00.000 And they were all housed in this department.

00:02:03.000 So it was because of that particular moment that I went to Western and got this degree.

00:02:10.000 And Bobby, just a little correction.

00:02:13.000 The Terra Viva is not my autobiography.

00:02:16.000 It is, as the subtitle says, my life in a biodiversity of movements, including our work together in Water Keepers and our work together on the GMO question, the glyphosate question.

00:02:30.000 I remember the last time we met was at the Heirloom Expo.

00:02:34.000 When you were fighting the case on glyphosate and winning each case.

00:02:38.000 So anyway, I apologize for calling it an autobiography, but it is the most biographical thing that you've written so far.

00:02:46.000 And, you know, you talk about some of your early life and really wonderful stories about your dad, who was a forest conservator, and your mother, who was a farmer, and you grew up to be what your nickname is, the Gandhi of Grain.

00:03:01.000 Right.

00:03:03.000 But I want to talk to you a little bit.

00:03:06.000 I want to talk about the book, but I also want to talk about climate and the efforts by the Davos Billionaire Boys Club.

00:03:17.000 To appropriate the climate issue for their agenda of total social control and how you deal with that as somebody who is a scientist and sees climate as an existential threat and understands the danger that environmentalists ally themselves with these,

00:03:40.000 with Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates and the people who are trying to use this for their own agenda woke themselves in the mantle of good deeds to advance this agenda of total control.

00:03:54.000 You know, Kissinger had said, if you control food, you control people.

00:03:59.000 And at one level...

00:04:01.000 The current agenda of what Klaus Schwab calls the fourth industrial revolution is the convergence of the failed biotechnology revolution.

00:04:10.000 You know, they were supposed to control pests and weeds.

00:04:13.000 Instead, they've given us super pests and cancer, and they haven't been able to control the weeds.

00:04:19.000 They've created new pests through the GMOBT cotton in India, and they've pushed the farmers into debt. 0.71

00:04:25.000 So they're combining...

00:04:27.000 The failed biotechnology, the failed chemical.

00:04:29.000 Rachel Carson warned us for that.

00:04:31.000 So they're keeping the ecocide that Rachel Carson talked about alive, and they're now joining it with what they call the information age.

00:04:40.000 But the fascinating thing is they're trying to approve A GMO mustard in India right now.

00:04:46.000 And all the data that used to be on the websites of the Ministry of Environment, on the bio website of all the patents it has on bar, barnies, bar stuff making sterile seeds, all of that has disappeared.

00:05:00.000 When I wrote Oneness vs.

00:05:02.000 1% with my son, he had warned me.

00:05:05.000 He said, in the next few years, there will be no true scientific information available in the world, except the work you do yourself.

00:05:14.000 It will all disappear.

00:05:15.000 And all that will be loaded in the name of science will be propaganda and misinformation.

00:05:23.000 And interestingly, then, they will silence every true scientist.

00:05:28.000 Either by making them marginal.

00:05:30.000 I know they've tried very hard to silence me.

00:05:33.000 It's just that I don't use any of the expensive platforms and I don't need their dollars and I don't need their patronage.

00:05:39.000 And for me, what matters is friendships with people of integrity like you.

00:05:43.000 So what they would really like is no knowledge.

00:05:47.000 The information age and the age of big data that they're looking at is no one having knowledge at all.

00:05:54.000 Everyone being manipulated.

00:05:57.000 Through, on the one hand, surveillance, whether it's surveillance through what you do with your communications or how you spend your money, which is why the whole idea of the digital currencies becomes so important.

00:06:10.000 It's more a surveillance mechanism and a more social control mechanism.

00:06:14.000 And then because they actually have the very sad image of, you know, they called our seeds primitive and tried to do genetic engineering.

00:06:22.000 They called us primitive and colonized us.

00:06:25.000 Now they're calling the human being primitive, who has to be enhanced by being merged and being, you know, by assessed by algorithms and artificial intelligence.

00:06:34.000 So we are for sure at a very, very dangerous movement.

00:06:37.000 And for everything, you know, whether it's the American freedom movement or the Indian freedom movement, Tap every lesson we can on how to stay free in times of total control in every dimension of life.

00:06:53.000 I see the parallels, and we all see these parallels.

00:06:57.000 They do the same playbook in every endeavor, in every field that they enter.

00:07:04.000 But the same things happen in medicines.

00:07:06.000 The same things happen in vaccines where they, you know, they said, well, here's the enemy is the microbe.

00:07:12.000 The enemy is nature.

00:07:14.000 We are going to weaponize ourselves and mount a war against the germs.

00:07:20.000 And we're the only ones who can save you.

00:07:22.000 And then they come up with these technologies that the only source of health comes in a syringe.

00:07:30.000 And you need us to live.

00:07:32.000 And then as it turns out, it doesn't really work.

00:07:35.000 But it leads to more and more and more dependence.

00:07:38.000 And then any of the doctors, any of the scientists who speak out and say, wait a minute, what you said yesterday is different than what you're telling us today.

00:07:47.000 Those people are in silence.

00:07:49.000 The science is disappearing.

00:07:51.000 We're seeing it.

00:07:53.000 You know, the real studies of science are all being redacted right now.

00:07:57.000 And some of them are just disappearing.

00:07:59.000 And the scientists themselves are being disappeared.

00:08:02.000 It's very Orwellian.

00:08:06.000 We are very much in a 1984 Orwellian world.

00:08:10.000 And I think the reason that the patterns are same in every field is because the players are the same in every field.

00:08:17.000 Big ag and big pharma are the same players.

00:08:21.000 And big oil.

00:08:24.000 And big oil because it's all fossil agriculture and it's all fossil pharma.

00:08:30.000 These are fossil medicines and we just have to go back to the 30s.

00:08:36.000 Look at Hitler's Germany on the one hand. 0.91

00:08:38.000 Look at everything that was being done by Rockefeller, both in agriculture, you know, through Standard Oil, as well as in Pharma.

00:08:45.000 What they were doing at that time, criminalizing the true healing systems, the healing systems where the body as a whole is recognized as the body that has to heal and has self-healing property.

00:08:57.000 That's what Ayurveda is.

00:08:59.000 That's what all...

00:09:00.000 Systems that have worked over centuries.

00:09:02.000 It would be fascinating to see how many...

00:09:06.000 I mean, look at the statins that they put out.

00:09:09.000 And they've had to withdraw it all.

00:09:11.000 They made...

00:09:12.000 Insects are enemies and have destroyed the insect population.

00:09:16.000 80% insects are gone.

00:09:17.000 They call it the insecticodon.

00:09:19.000 They made plants, the enemies, and created herbicides like glyphosate and glufosinate of Bayer, which is Basta.

00:09:26.000 Which is what they're trying to push now on India with the GM mustard.

00:09:30.000 They made bacteria enemies and of course, you know, then antibiotics have worked for a while, but they're pushing it on the factory farms and now you've got antibiotic resistance as the biggest killer.

00:09:39.000 They're talking about, I don't know, 50 million people to be dying in a few decades because of antibiotic resistance because you made that the only solution.

00:09:48.000 We've grown up with the wonderful turmeric, which is an antibiotic.

00:09:52.000 It was even patented.

00:09:53.000 And we had to fight that biopiracy.

00:09:55.000 So all of the healing plants of the world were banished from the medical system.

00:10:01.000 And then this control system called licensing, which then can be withdrawn.

00:10:06.000 The moment a true healer, a true doctor who takes care of his patients, tells the truth about what's happening to the patient's body, he's suddenly banned.

00:10:16.000 From practicing medicine.

00:10:17.000 Because I think this is the thing that we now have an agriculture that's an ecocidal and genocidal agriculture.

00:10:24.000 And we've got an industrial pharmaceutical system that is also ecocidal.

00:10:29.000 More people die because of hospitals and medicines now.

00:10:33.000 And hydrogenesis is established.

00:10:35.000 And they're the same.

00:10:36.000 When I was doing oneness versus 1%, I was looking at Monsanto.

00:10:39.000 Monsanto is now a buyer.

00:10:40.000 But, you know, Pfizer was the main owner of Monsanto.

00:10:44.000 So they're totally networked like this.

00:10:47.000 And then the billionaires and then the regulating agencies, which are not regulating, but actually pushing the false solutions.

00:10:54.000 And they're doing that with climate now.

00:10:56.000 The Klaus Schwab group, the billionaire group, the Mr.

00:10:59.000 Gates group, They are desperate to create new control over people using The climate crisis, but also use it to create new markets, new markets to control the weather, geoengineering, new markets for fake food.

00:11:16.000 Industrial food has already given us 75% of the public health crisis we face.

00:11:21.000 If it becomes more industrial and agriculture is merely growing raw materials for the lab food, which is owned by the same companies, That are pushing the bad industrial food today, including the factory farms.

00:11:34.000 If you look at it, it's the same Nestle's.

00:11:37.000 It's the same processed food industry that is getting into lab food.

00:11:42.000 They call it cellular agriculture.

00:11:44.000 Cellular agriculture means they're now manipulating at the cellular level to create synthetic food.

00:11:51.000 And you can't cheat on the food system because we are food.

00:11:56.000 And that's the place where all the narrative of food Improved foods and climate solutions, that's where it'll fall apart.

00:12:06.000 But the point is they don't care about people being ill.

00:12:08.000 That's part of their intention.

00:12:10.000 They don't want healthy people.

00:12:12.000 They don't want free minds and they don't want healthy people.

00:12:16.000 And that's the two things we have to defend.

00:12:18.000 We have to vigorously defend our minds and their freedom.

00:12:22.000 We have enough ways outside the industrial system To know how to be healthy, how to grow healthy food, and how to take care of each other.

00:12:32.000 And Anna Shiva's new book is Terra Viva.

00:12:35.000 Please go on Amazon, get the book, and give it a five-star review.

00:12:39.000 A woman who's an old, old friend of mine and is in the medical and healthcare industry. 0.68

00:12:46.000 She's one of the big CEOs of one of the biggest healthcare companies in our country and has been very, very skeptical about the questions I've raised about the COVID-19 countermeasures.

00:13:00.000 And She has now, her husband is now vaccine injured, and her eyes are starting to open.

00:13:08.000 She sent me a text yesterday saying, how did you know that Gates was such a bad guy before COVID-19?

00:13:15.000 And my answer to her was I've been watching him do that same play again and again.

00:13:21.000 And he was it was the Green Revolution, which the Rockefeller Foundation gave us that was supposed to feed the world through chemical agriculture, through monoculture, through pesticides and oil-based fertilizers, which, of course, Rockefellers love that because through pesticides and oil-based fertilizers, which, of course, Rockefellers love that because it came from the Standard And Bill Gates has repeatedly said that he is the legatee.

00:13:46.000 He is the inheritor.

00:13:47.000 He is the new embodiment of the Rockefeller Foundation.

00:13:51.000 He said at one point, we discovered very early on when he was doing population control with his foundation, that everywhere we wanted to be, the Rockefeller had been before.

00:14:02.000 That's his quote.

00:14:03.000 And of course, he took over the Green Revolution in Africa, and he persuaded all of these nations, To transfer from subsistence agriculture that had been feeding people on that continent for 20,000 generations, and to switch to GMO corn and Monsanto glyphosate and herbicides and pesticides.

00:14:29.000 And of course, philantrocapitalism, which he champions, means that He owns Monsanto.

00:14:35.000 He owns part of Cargill.

00:14:37.000 He owns part of McDonald's.

00:14:39.000 He owns Kraft cheese.

00:14:40.000 He owns Coca-Cola.

00:14:41.000 And all the people who are now profiting on that cheap corn syrup and lousy food.

00:14:47.000 And he did the same thing in that.

00:14:49.000 And of course, we all get unhealthy.

00:14:52.000 Like you say, it's the same play in every landscape on every battlefield.

00:14:59.000 Yeah, I mean, the way I look at what Gates is doing is basically new colonization.

00:15:04.000 If the old colonizers took over land and called the land their property and displaced the indigenous people, what Gates is really doing is continuing the work of Monsanto and trying to own the seed, and he now controls the seed supply of the world.

00:15:19.000 When the Green Revolution was first introduced, because they knew that it would fail, monocultures are the worst way you can have a forest or a farm.

00:15:28.000 And the monocultures they were pushing were becoming vulnerable to disease and the corn was wiped out, I remember, in 72 in the United States.

00:15:37.000 So they started to create, they didn't call them seed banks, they called them gene banks, because for them it was merely to mine the genes.

00:15:44.000 And they were created by the World Bank through the Consultative Group of International Agriculture two years ago.

00:15:50.000 And we've written about it in our book on Mr. Gates, Philanthropy Capitalism.

00:15:55.000 The two years ago, in effect, if you looked at each of these banks, the main contributor was Mr. Gates.

00:16:01.000 But he wasn't just giving to save the seed.

00:16:04.000 He was now creating a new way to colonize the seed and destroy every law that has been created for sovereignty of communities over their biodiversity and seed and the sovereignty of countries.

00:16:16.000 This is the basis of the Convention on Biological Diversity.

00:16:19.000 It requires that you take permission of a community when you take their plants.

00:16:24.000 It requires that you take a permission of a government when you take plants.

00:16:28.000 So what he's done is he's created this whole digital mapping of the genome, which means you can have one little seed and you can make a genome map and then you can own all of the seeds of that rice or all of the seeds of wheat.

00:16:43.000 So on the one hand, he is doing the digital sequencing And he's admitted it.

00:16:48.000 It's the way to bypass the laws, the seed laws of FAO, the biodiversity laws of the Convention on Biological Diversity.

00:16:55.000 But worse, he is also the main funder of gene editing, you know, the...

00:17:01.000 Yeah, the CRISPR techniques.

00:17:03.000 And it's already known to be causing huge, unpredictable impacts.

00:17:07.000 Remember, they were doing the cow or the bull, which would be hornless, and they were gene editing it to be without horns, and then it was full of bacteria.

00:17:17.000 And they had to finish off that experiment.

00:17:20.000 I think it was one of the California universities.

00:17:22.000 It's cheaper to ship them if they don't have horns. 0.93

00:17:27.000 Yeah, so basically, in effect, he's just looking at what's the new colony I can carve, you know?

00:17:33.000 Let me just interrupt you for a second so people understand this.

00:17:37.000 During the 60s, the 1950s, 60s, and 70s, the governments of the world, the United Nations recognized that monocultures were replacing a lot of the heritage seed stocks.

00:17:49.000 And there was a very, very legitimate concern that the seed stocks that had been developed through thousands of generations for particular climates, for particular water systems, for particular soils would be extinct, and there may be a time when we would need for particular soils would be extinct, and there may be a time when So there was an effort around the world to collect all of the seeds I I think there's 11 big seed banks.

00:18:15.000 Maybe you would know the number.

00:18:17.000 There were 25 CG systems.

00:18:19.000 So there were things created on every continent where all the heritage seeds were collected.

00:18:26.000 Of course, a program like that is always in need of money.

00:18:30.000 And so Gates came in with all of his bags of cash and said, I'm going to help you.

00:18:36.000 And Gates He started giving them money, he fostered the dependents, and then he manipulated to gain control of those seed banks.

00:18:46.000 And then he sent his guys in to map the genomes of every seed and to patent them, and then to make slight alterations in them so that he could then say, this is a new organism that I have created and I own it.

00:19:02.000 And then for the rest of time, he owns all the seeds in the world.

00:19:06.000 You know, that's a big problem.

00:19:08.000 So we've gone from an effort, a wonderful effort, to preserve the global commons in seed stock to this very sinister, diabolical effort by one man to privatize the commons, to gain control of the entire seed stock of the planet for his own profit and control.

00:19:30.000 Absolutely.

00:19:31.000 When I started saving seeds through Navdanya, and we've created 150 community seed banks, I only looked at cotton because of the suicides, because of the monopoly of Monsanto's BT cotton.

00:19:42.000 And 400,000 suicides since 1995, when Monsanto came into India.

00:19:51.000 400,000, of which 85%, this is government data, it's by district, it's by state.

00:19:57.000 So you can map the suicides and the cotton areas. 0.96

00:20:00.000 95% of the cotton is when sent to BT cotton, which is now by BT cotton, which is Mr.

00:20:06.000 Bill Gates' BT cotton because of the ownership patterns.

00:20:09.000 And then you have 85% of the suicides in these areas.

00:20:14.000 Now you can imagine if one country and one region with a monopoly Can create such a devastation?

00:20:20.000 What will happen when all of the seeds of the world with all of their traits?

00:20:25.000 And he's a pirate because, you know, he claims to have invented flood tolerance.

00:20:32.000 Now, flood tolerance, rices are something Indian peasants have evolved along the coast because of the flooding.

00:20:38.000 Salt-tolerant, flood tolerance.

00:20:40.000 He gives a grant, calls it an invention.

00:20:43.000 And again, I've debated with his foundation when they've been on public platforms.

00:20:48.000 I said, show me the parent.

00:20:49.000 What was the seed that you used?

00:20:51.000 They will never answer that and just give, oh, you know, we really respect your work with women, or we respect your work with farmers, but they never tell you the source of their piracy.

00:21:01.000 But we say flood-tolerant and soil-tolerant seeds.

00:21:04.000 These complex traits cannot be engineered because engineering is with single genes.

00:21:11.000 That's why they shoot a BT toxin.

00:21:13.000 They shoot a Roundup Ready toxin.

00:21:15.000 But they cannot create climate resilient traits, which are complex.

00:21:19.000 They can't create drought tolerance.

00:21:20.000 They can't create flood tolerance.

00:21:22.000 And what they can do is steal the gene and then the whole seed and claim to have created the trait which was created by farmers breeding and by nature.

00:21:33.000 And that's, you know, they're applying it to every field.

00:21:37.000 And Microsoft had a patent, you know, just when COVID was, two things he was doing when COVID was striking.

00:21:43.000 On the one hand, he was launching One Agriculture for the World.

00:21:47.000 His Gates Ag One is based in Missouri next to Monsanto.

00:21:51.000 And he was launching this, besides financing vaccines, Gavi, the Global Alliance for Vaccines, but he has another program called GAIN, which could mean profits for him, but the acronym is Global Alliance for Improved Nutrition.

00:22:11.000 Yeah, that's his food monopoly, his global food monopoly, like it is.

00:22:15.000 Steppi and Gavi are his global vaccine monopoly.

00:22:18.000 Gain is his global food monopoly.

00:22:21.000 And Gates had one, which is, you know, agriculture controlled by Gates for all the food in the world.

00:22:27.000 And we're going to be eating bugs and oil products, refinery products.

00:22:32.000 And he's creating through buying up most of the land, the biggest farmland owner of America.

00:22:37.000 He's actually working out the conditionalities and certification systems for climate that he's going to evolve to police the world with.

00:22:44.000 And while he continues through net zero to pollute, while he flies around the world with his private jets, he wants to take control of the farmland of the world, not just in America, Through carbon credits, carbon trading, carbon financing, and they worked it all out and they think everyone will accept it.

00:23:03.000 I think the whole attempt To hijack the climate crisis which is killing people, to dispossess people around the world, indigenous people, small farmers, of their land.

00:23:16.000 It's going to unify people.

00:23:18.000 And we have a little role to be able to help unify on the one hand the health movement and the food and agriculture movement, which is the same movement, you know, it's the same movement.

00:23:27.000 Players creating the crisis.

00:23:29.000 But also, I think your podcasts and your communication in spite of every attempt to not allow you to talk to the world, I think it's so important at this time to bring people together, to let them see that the problem is one common problem.

00:23:47.000 Let me make another point about Gates, which you just glossed over a little bit.

00:23:53.000 He flies in a private jet.

00:23:55.000 Not only that, He makes private jets, one of his companies.

00:23:58.000 He is invested in virtually every major oil company, all the coal companies.

00:24:04.000 He's the biggest owner of the railroads.

00:24:06.000 So he's deeply embedded in the carbon production, carbon industry.

00:24:11.000 I've been doing climate work or really pollution work.

00:24:15.000 That's what I do, pollution work. 0.98

00:24:17.000 I represented fishermen for 30 years trying to stop oil and chemical industry from contaminating the fish and the coal companies.

00:24:25.000 So I end up fighting carbon a lot.

00:24:27.000 And I know all the people who are fighting carbon, like NRDC, Sierra Club, etc., Nobody gets any money from Gates.

00:24:35.000 Gates has never given money for carbon advocacy.

00:24:39.000 He's never been a climate activist, but this year he published a book painting himself as a climate activist.

00:24:46.000 But as you say, it's all the billionaire boys club agenda of how do I use climate as a mechanism, as a vehicle for controlling conduct all over the world, the same as he did with vaccines.

00:24:58.000 How do I use vaccines?

00:25:00.000 To gain control of government policies and to gain control of humanity on a granular level.

00:25:07.000 To actually give myself permission to force medical interventions on every human being on the planet against their will and penetrate their bodies.

00:25:19.000 His agenda is very clear on that.

00:25:22.000 This is the book you're talking about?

00:25:25.000 Yes.

00:25:27.000 And we know that nitrogen fertilizers are fossil fertilizers.

00:25:31.000 The nitrous oxide are 300 times more damaging than carbon dioxide.

00:25:35.000 And this is what he's saying.

00:25:37.000 I love fertilizers.

00:25:38.000 We should have more fertilizers. 0.99

00:25:40.000 That's what was being said at the time when the Green Revolution was pushed on India.

00:25:44.000 It was basically a fertilizer revolution.

00:25:47.000 And it is a big part of the problem, both of climate damage, dead zones in the ocean, and worse, killing the soil.

00:25:55.000 You know, when I train farmers, I take soil and earthworms and I sprinkle a little urea on it.

00:26:02.000 And the earthworms start to die and they say, oh my gosh, this is what we are doing.

00:26:04.000 We can't see it, so we don't know what harm we are doing.

00:26:08.000 So it is a weapon of war.

00:26:10.000 You know, after all, in Hitler's Germany, the basic technique was used for making explosives and ammunition.

00:26:16.000 And then the same technique was used for making synthetic fertilizers.

00:26:20.000 It is really the time to defend the integrity of our bodies and integrity of our communities and find new ways to not allow Yeah, you know, one of the other things that is happening right now, the same thing is happening with viruses.

00:26:40.000 So there are all these efforts by the CIA, which started this group called Argus back in 2008, by USAID, and by now the Global Viral Project and many others to inventory all 800 million viruses in the world.

00:26:57.000 They're gonna inventory, they're gonna gene map them, they're gonna find the ones that have pandemic potential, which are basically ones that you can weaponize, and then they patent them so that when they weaponize them and then they escape, they will own the patent and be able to provide us and then they patent them so that when they weaponize them and then And it's just a pipeline that they're creating, but it's controlling not just seeds, but the real, the basis of life, all of the viruses on the planet.

00:27:26.000 So they're really, they're creating these new markets.

00:27:29.000 They're creating new economic assets out of nature.

00:27:33.000 And that's what you've written.

00:27:34.000 And the irony of it is, you know, like this GM mustard.

00:27:38.000 So the soil bacterium has this barnes and basta, and they're together.

00:27:43.000 One sterilizes, but the other fertilizes.

00:27:45.000 So they never do harm to the plants.

00:27:47.000 Now they're taking...

00:27:49.000 A balanced, regulated process, tearing it apart, making plants sterile.

00:27:54.000 And, you know, we are walking, my rai viromes, I've said that in my last chapter in Terra Viva, is we are walking viromes.

00:28:01.000 And anything that declares the virus our enemy will declare a weaponizing of the viruses to basically assault our integrity, our bodily integrity.

00:28:13.000 Yeah.

00:28:14.000 And since we managed to depress everybody who's listening to us, can you tell us what you're, because you're always so buoyant and optimistic, what is your, you know, what's the source of hope for everybody?

00:28:27.000 Well, you know, I save seeds and seeds that are climate resilient.

00:28:31.000 And when the cyclone hits the farmers, we distribute those seeds after the Orisa cyclone, after the tsunami, truckloads of seeds.

00:28:39.000 And farmers are able to bounce back and do the agriculture again.

00:28:43.000 But most importantly, in that little seed, in fact, on my book table is another lovely book.

00:28:51.000 Of Thoreau, where he says, it's a very beautiful, very powerful quote where he says, though I do not believe that a plant will spring up where no seed has been, I have great faith in the seed.

00:29:06.000 Convince me that you have a seed there and I am prepared to expect wonders.

00:29:11.000 Now that little seed will become a plant.

00:29:13.000 The green leaf will take the carbon dioxide with the sun's energy, give us the food we need and the oxygen we need to breathe.

00:29:20.000 And the reason I believe in this miracle of life is because the scientific evidence is there.

00:29:27.000 On our farm, in 20 years, we have built up, not just on our farm, but 200 farms that we help train in organic.

00:29:34.000 We've built up 100% more organic matter, and the organic matter in the chemical farms has gone down to 14%.

00:29:42.000 And that means that much more emissions are sitting up there, including the nitrous oxide.

00:29:47.000 More than that, the data is clear that the more photosynthesis we increase, more photosynthetic biomass and biodiversity we increase, the more we help the planet heal itself.

00:29:58.000 And we also get food and oxygen in the process.

00:30:01.000 We can pull down 100% Giga tons of carbon dioxide every year by just doing good farming that cares for the land and grows biodiversity.

00:30:12.000 That's why I have hope.

00:30:13.000 And that's why I always say it's when you only look at the number of the increase, you don't look at the pathways of the decrease.

00:30:22.000 After all, the planet brought the temperature down from 290 degrees to 13 degrees.

00:30:27.000 That's a big jump.

00:30:29.000 Between 1990 8% carbon dioxide to 0.03% carbon dioxide.

00:30:34.000 So we just have to follow nature's path.

00:30:36.000 We just have to follow her photosynthetic pathways. 0.80

00:30:39.000 And we have to do the right thing.

00:30:41.000 You know, climate change to me is about forgetting how to live on this beautiful planet.

00:30:46.000 And we've got to learn again how to live.

00:30:49.000 Vandana Shiva, thank you very much.

00:30:51.000 Show us your book so people know what they need to go out and buy.

00:30:55.000 Vandana Shiva, Teraviva, thank you so much for coming back on.

00:31:00.000 We love you, Vandana.

00:31:02.000 Vandana Shiva, thank you so much for your leadership, for your inspiration, and for your commitment to humanity and to human dignity, freedom, and democracy.

00:31:12.000 Thank you.

00:31:13.000 Love you, too.

00:31:14.000 Bye, Bobby.

RFK Jr. The Defender - November 08, 2022

Vandana Shiva and Her New Book Terra Viva

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