RFK Jr. The Defender - VIDEO: Sen. Rand Paul on Wuhan, Fauci and Covid

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) joins me to discuss his new book, The Great Cover-up, and why he believes the government is hiding the truth about the origins of Coronavirus VIRUS, the deadly virus that wiped out millions of Americans in the late 1980s and early 1990s. We talk about his journey to finding out the truth behind the cover-up and how he became one of the few people in the country willing to speak out publicly about it. We also talk about the role of Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci, and how they helped expose the government's cover up and expose the truth. And we talk about why he thinks the truth is not so black and white and why we should all be careful about what we think we learn about it in public schools and in the press. If you don't know who Francis Collins is, then you're in for a treatable surprise. Rand Paul's book is out now, and it's a must-listen-to-book for anyone who wants to know who he is and what he's been up to in the past 40 years of his life. Thanks for listening to this episode of Mythology and Conspiracy Theories. I hope you enjoy it and share it with your friends and family! Tweet me if you liked it! with your thoughts, comments, suggestions, suggestions or thoughts on the cover up or conspiracy theories? or any other conspiracy theories you think we should cover up! Timestamps: Tweet us and let us know what you think of this episode? or in the next episode on the next one! or share it on your social media feed! :) to . Text Me! if it s a conspiracy theory you think it s good or bad, we ll be hearing about it or not! ;) tweet me or your thoughts on it about it :) or do you have a story you d like it? ;) Timestop : . . . or a story or conspiracy theory about the coverup? ? or something like that s better than this one? , or anything you d be curious about it s going to be better than the truth? tweet us out there doing it better than that ? a tweet me out there ;) or .

00:00:00.000 All of the scientists who were saying you're crazy, you're a conspiracy theorist, if you say it came from the lab, were all privately saying the opposite. 0.91

00:00:07.000 And there's just a trail of lies.

00:00:09.000 We are dealing with something that's as explosively bad as nuclear weapons.

00:00:15.000 Hey everybody, United States Senator Rand Paul M.D. is one of our nation's leading advocates for liberty.

00:00:22.000 He was elected to the United States Senate in 2010.

00:00:24.000 Dr.

00:00:25.000 Paul S. Rubin to be an outspoken champion.

00:00:28.000 For constitutional rights, for fiscal responsibility, as a fierce advocate against government overreach, Dr.

00:00:35.000 Paul has fought tirelessly to return government to its limited constitutional scope.

00:00:40.000 As a hardworking and dedicated physician, not a career politician, Dr.

00:00:44.000 Paul came to Washington to shake things up and to make a difference.

00:00:49.000 Dr.

00:00:49.000 Paul's entrance into politics is indicative of his life's work as a surgeon, has decided to diagnose problems and provide practical solutions.

00:00:59.000 Today, I want to push this new book that is trending all over the internet, and that is Rand Paul's long-awaited book, The Great Cover-Up by Rand Paul.

00:01:18.000 Senator Paul, and I've been a longtime admirer of you for, you know, I've been an opponent of you on some issues, but a great admirer for always, always for your integrity, for your fearless championship of civil rights, constitutional rights, for your outspokenness about the military-industrial complex and about the U.S. addiction to war.

00:01:46.000 And you and I have found ourselves very, very close together since the beginning of COVID on so many issues.

00:01:53.000 You were the one person in Congress and I'd say the one person in public life who was seeing through the orthodoxies and at the same time had the power and the willingness to speak out loud about it.

00:02:09.000 So I have nothing but admiration for you and gratitude for Or what you did, if you had not existed in the Senate right now, I think most of the public and most of the world would still believe all of the mythologies about Francis Collins and about Rand Paul,

00:02:32.000 and they would still believe that the government agencies We're on the side of public health and that the COVID vaccine miraculously saved millions of lives.

00:02:45.000 And so I want to thank you, first of all, not only for being here, but just for all that you've done to restore some kind of semblance of truth and honesty to public life and political courage.

00:02:58.000 So thank you.

00:03:01.000 Let's talk about deception and about Anthony Fauci, can you just tell us a little bit about your evolution?

00:03:09.000 Did you approach this with kind of a posture of skepticism from the outset, or was there something that had you scratching your head and saying, wait a minute, something's wrong with this?

00:03:21.000 You know, in the beginning, I was very resistant from the very, very beginning to the mandates on behavior.

00:03:28.000 The idea that masks work.

00:03:30.000 I come from the medical profession and I was aware of the studies on influenza showing that for respiratory viruses, influenza, you know, they wanted to know if wearing masks in the hospital would prevent the doctors and nurses from getting sick.

00:03:41.000 This has been studied for decades and all the studies really haven't shown that it helped and it didn't help in public wear.

00:03:49.000 So I was aware of that and resistant to that and closing the schools early on.

00:03:53.000 But as far as the origins of the virus, it took me a year.

00:03:57.000 I was following some of the stuff very closely, the rules and edicts from government.

00:04:02.000 But the origins, I remember reading a letter in Lancet, 27 doctors or scientists signed it, and I really didn't read it closely.

00:04:10.000 I just assumed, well, you know, the last...

00:04:12.000 Coronavirus came from nature in 2003.

00:04:15.000 They found it came from civets.

00:04:16.000 And I just thought that they were probably just telling the truth.

00:04:19.000 A year later, though, I read an article by Nicholas Wade, and it just opened my eyes.

00:04:25.000 And it was about a 50-page article.

00:04:26.000 I learned later that nobody would publish it.

00:04:29.000 He self-published it on Medium.com because he was censored everywhere.

00:04:33.000 He has an impeccable pedigree.

00:04:35.000 He's written for the New York Times.

00:04:37.000 He's been a science writer.

00:04:38.000 He's got all kinds of background and resume, and nobody would print it.

00:04:42.000 But as I read through, I discovered not only were there scientific reasons that the virus, in all likelihood, came from a lab, but I learned from the Freedom of Information Act that all of the scientists who were saying, you're crazy, you're a conspiracy theorist, if you say it came from the lab, were all privately saying the opposite.

00:04:59.000 We also learned Anthony Fauci was saying the opposite also.

00:05:02.000 When friends would ask him, do you need to wear a mask?

00:05:03.000 He was saying, we've studied this, they don't work.

00:05:06.000 You know, just be careful about your interactions or whatever.

00:05:09.000 If you're sick, don't go out.

00:05:11.000 But he, in private, was saying the opposite.

00:05:13.000 So I guess the freedom of information, revelation of the virologist who were all saying privately, they thought it came from the lab, and then publicly they were saying the opposite.

00:05:23.000 Got me intrigued.

00:05:24.000 But then also the science of it.

00:05:26.000 The fact that when a virus comes from an animal, it typically is clumsy because it doesn't infect humans well.

00:05:32.000 It's been adapted or evolved to affect animals.

00:05:36.000 So it makes various forays into humans and it does it many times till it accidentally mutates and then can be transmitted among humans.

00:05:45.000 But it's always more infectious from the animal it came from than it is from humans.

00:05:50.000 But we discovered with COVID, as we looked at the sequences early on, that there weren't a bunch of leaps to man.

00:05:56.000 There seemed to be one lineage that leaped in the very beginning, which points towards one source, which points towards a lab leak.

00:06:03.000 But all of this added up, and I became intrigued and somewhat obsessed by the questions over the origin.

00:06:09.000 But then I also, as I became convinced that it came...

00:06:12.000 And just to interrupt you, Senator Pollack, because I think you meant to make this point...

00:06:19.000 It also no longer infected bats, which is very, very unusual, because it should have remained most infectious to bats and secondarily to humans, if it were not.

00:06:31.000 Either bats or an intermediate species.

00:06:35.000 And one of the interesting things we point out in the book is that A professor in Australia took the Oracle supercomputer and modulated the 3D aspects of the proteins and their interaction with different species, assuming he would find that COVID was better adapted for some animal, and that would give us a clue as to which animal.

00:06:55.000 He did all of it.

00:06:56.000 It didn't fit any of the animals very well, didn't fit bats well, didn't fit civets, pangolins, but the perfect, almost near perfect match was for humans.

00:07:05.000 So all of this modeling showed there didn't seem to be an intermediate species.

00:07:10.000 Whether it came directly from bats or from bats to another species, the computers were showing that the fit was actually better for humans.

00:07:17.000 And Alina Chan wrote a good book on this viral.

00:07:20.000 And in that, she says that when she looked at this, she felt like the virus was pre-adapted for human transmission.

00:07:27.000 I think Anthony Fauci knew this in January of 2020.

00:07:30.000 I think he's known it from the very beginning.

00:07:33.000 And I do think there was an enormous conspiracy or cover-up because they knew that they had funded this lab in Wuhan and that if it came from the lab that culpability, you know, blame would attach to them for the pandemic.

00:07:47.000 And so they strove from the very beginning to cover it up.

00:07:49.000 And there's just a trail of lies, you know, lies, obfuscations, cover-up.

00:07:54.000 And, you know, in the book we go through all of this.

00:07:59.000 Let's talk about a couple of the characters.

00:08:01.000 Let's begin with Peter Daszak.

00:08:05.000 So Peter Daszak runs EcoHealth, and I call him sort of the bag man for Wuhan, China.

00:08:11.000 He's basically a money guy.

00:08:13.000 He has a scientific background, but his expertise is in collecting government grants.

00:08:18.000 And you would think that scientists come to Washington and they're wearing their little nerdy glasses and they're, I want to cure cancer.

00:08:25.000 Give me some money for cancer.

00:08:26.000 It's not actually the way it's working these days.

00:08:29.000 Peter Daszak comes to Washington.

00:08:30.000 He goes to a place called the Cosmo Club.

00:08:33.000 He spends 20 grand on cocktails and food for those that come to the party.

00:08:39.000 But who does he invite?

00:08:40.000 He's not schmoozing politicians.

00:08:42.000 He's actually schmoozing bureaucrats like Fauci.

00:08:45.000 So this is a guy that over the years has gotten over $100 million from the government.

00:08:49.000 But he gets it through schmoozing and through fancy proposals.

00:08:53.000 But I don't believe he's an honest player.

00:08:56.000 I think he does have information and did have information from China involving the viruses and in all likelihood involving a virus much closer to COVID-19 that may well have come out of the lab.

00:09:07.000 I think he has the information on all this and has not been revealing it.

00:09:10.000 But I think that in the end, he's evidence of what's gone wrong and what's gone amok in the scientific community and in the grant community.

00:09:18.000 And one of our sources, you know, we used for the book was The Real Anthony Fauci.

00:09:22.000 Your book, The Real Anthony Fauci.

00:09:24.000 I just finished your latest one as well.

00:09:26.000 So there's so much going on here.

00:09:29.000 But my main Goal now in exposing is to make sure it doesn't happen again.

00:09:34.000 Robert Redfield and others have said they think we're going to have another virus that will accidentally leak into the public and that the death toll could be much higher.

00:09:43.000 In the end, COVID was bad and I don't downplay it, but the death rate was 0.3%.

00:09:48.000 That's about a million in America, maybe 10 to 15 million.

00:09:51.000 But there are viruses that they are working with that they're trying to aerosolize and make easier to transmit among humans that have between a 5 and 50 percent mortality.

00:10:02.000 We are dealing with something that's as explosively bad as nuclear weapons.

00:10:07.000 The same way we should always be talking to our enemies now about nuclear weapons to Russia and to China and to Iran and have open dialogue on these things, we should be having the same on viruses.

00:10:18.000 Doesn't mean we can always trust them, but we should be having international conventions on how we should try to limit the dangerous research and not fund research that basically could be a risk to our civilization.

00:10:30.000 Yeah, you know, one of the things that I... I discovered when I was writing my kind of history of the biowarfare is that we had a really good...

00:10:40.000 Nixon actually went and closed all of our biowarfare programs unilaterally.

00:10:49.000 He said, America's not doing this anymore, and then negotiated treaties in 1973, the Bioweapons Charter.

00:10:58.000 With the rest of the world, and that that stood, there was a lot of people who were angry, who were making a living on bioweapons, and they were sort of seething for many years.

00:11:11.000 And then when the Patriot Act came along, which you, you know, opposed, the Patriot Act has a provision in it.

00:11:21.000 That exonerated any federal official.

00:11:23.000 It doesn't actually repeal the Geneva Convention or the Bioweapons Charter, but exonerated public officials from violating it.

00:11:33.000 And that's when Fauci's career took off because the Pentagon did not want to start doing bioweapons because it wasn't sure whether the legality of the Patriot Act They started funneling money to Anthony Fauci to do it under the pretext of vaccine development, and that was the beginning of this program.

00:11:52.000 This is one of my goals as we move forward.

00:11:55.000 People say, well, what are we going to do?

00:11:57.000 Some is about, you know, culpability of those who lied to us.

00:12:00.000 But to me, it's more important that this doesn't happen again.

00:12:03.000 So we're trying to devise legislation to take gain-of-function research, research that creates new viruses not known to nature that are more transmissible or more lethal, To have an independent body, independent of the funding mechanism that oversees this.

00:12:19.000 Almost like a Nuclear Regulatory Commission, some people that are going to be experts that have the ability to look at all research, including bioweapons research, take it and advise whether or not we should be funding this or not.

00:12:30.000 If we're successful in our country, and I'm trying to get a Democrat on board right now, I'm of the opinion that This,

00:12:57.000 the same way as nuclear weapons, we've sort of dropped off the idea of nuclear weapons control, too.

00:13:02.000 We don't talk to China.

00:13:03.000 We say it's impossible.

00:13:04.000 The Trump administration quit the negotiations.

00:13:07.000 I think there always have to be negotiations.

00:13:09.000 And in fact, the farther apart you are in negotiations, the more reason you should still be negotiating over deadly things like nuclear weapons or like biological weapons as well.

00:13:19.000 So I'm hopeful that we move forward.

00:13:21.000 The main sticking point has been Because Anthony Fauci has been the focus of this because he was in charge of so much, the Democrats have steadfastly decided that he's a saint.

00:13:33.000 He gets awards.

00:13:34.000 He gets million dollar prizes.

00:13:36.000 You know, he still gets a security detail and a limo pick him up every day, even though he's out of office.

00:13:41.000 They really are unwilling to understand that he was part of the problem.

00:13:46.000 So it's limited any kind of reforms coming forward.

00:13:49.000 I think we may be getting finally beyond some of that.

00:13:52.000 So I am hopeful by the end of the year that we can pass bipartisan reform legislation that will have more oversight and scrutiny of gain-of-function research.

00:14:02.000 Yeah, I mean, I really looked at some frightening things at the end of my book about the marriage of AI with the data function and the organic chemistry science that already exists, and how you can...

00:14:21.000 There already, as you know, in China, Russia, Iran, other places...

00:14:27.000 Experimenting with these viruses with very high infection fatality rates like Ebola, like dengue, chickamonga, 50% infection fatality, and some of them, you know, dying in terrible ways, bleeding from your eyes, etc.

00:14:41.000 And if they did that, you know, if they release one of those next time or it escapes, however, whatever happens, civil rights and constitutional rights are gone because, you know, we've already seen how they can use fear To disable the capacity for critical thinking in the population and to disable the love that Americans have for their constitutional rights, that it just overwhelms it.

00:15:07.000 Can you imagine?

00:15:08.000 Smallpox had about a 30% mortality.

00:15:11.000 Some of these have 50% mortality.

00:15:12.000 Imagine what happens to the function of society.

00:15:15.000 What happens to the sewage?

00:15:17.000 What happens to your drinking water?

00:15:19.000 Chaos ensues very quickly.

00:15:22.000 And I think that we are even more at risk to this than we've ever been in the modern age because we're dependent on so many things.

00:15:29.000 But I really think if a virus like that were as infectious as COVID, but were much more deadly, We would talk about people hunkering down on their houses and protecting their food.

00:15:39.000 There won't be food production.

00:15:40.000 There won't be mass food production.

00:15:42.000 Nobody knows too many people growing vegetables.

00:15:46.000 There are people, but most people aren't getting their food from the garden.

00:15:50.000 And so it's going to be a catastrophe if this happens.

00:15:52.000 And we have the ability to stop it from happening.

00:15:55.000 But as we speak...

00:15:57.000 When this interview ends, you could go to your computer and you could order the components of poliovirus and you could make it in a lab if you have the knowledge.

00:16:05.000 Kevin Esvelt from MIT, he estimates as many as 50,000 to 60,000 people, not just PhDs, but just sometimes people, technicians, qualified technicians in these labs could create the poliovirus, which means they could create smallpox or any of these others with the components.

00:16:20.000 And so it is a real problem.

00:16:22.000 It's a disaster.

00:16:23.000 And interestingly, it didn't start with COVID-19.

00:16:26.000 Until I got into this, I didn't realize they've been debating gain-of-function research for at least a decade before COVID, and it started with the avian flu.

00:16:35.000 And there are some great professors out there, you know, that, you know, Richard Ebright's been talking about this for 15 years, about the dangers of this.

00:16:44.000 And there's really been a war in the academic community And they want to make it out like, oh, it's just some crazy people.

00:16:50.000 No.

00:16:51.000 Richard Ebright was a 17-year editor of the Journal of Biochemistry.

00:16:55.000 I mean, these are credentialed people at our major universities who think Anthony Fauci was wrong about funding this research.

00:17:03.000 And I'm...

00:17:06.000 There's been a lot of news really coming out of your book about the Diffuse Project, which is a project where Peter Daszak literally wrote a blueprint for how to develop the coronavirus virus that could have been used to develop exactly what they made and talk about what happened there.

00:17:24.000 So the coronaviruses in this family don't have a special access to the human cell.

00:17:30.000 That special access is called a furin cleavage site.

00:17:33.000 And so this had never been seen in this family of viruses.

00:17:38.000 So in 2018...

00:17:39.000 And the furin cleavage site just doesn't know.

00:17:43.000 It's at the end of that spike protein.

00:17:46.000 And it's almost like a key that fits perfectly into the lock of the ACE2 receptor, which is a cell receptor in the human lung.

00:17:55.000 So all your cells in your lung At this receptor and if the coronavirus gets in there it attaches perfectly to it and that's what causes infectivity in humans and there was no wild coronavirus in history that was ever able to do that.

00:18:13.000 Right, so in 2018 the lab in Wuhan In conjunction with Peter Daszak, in conjunction with Ralph Barak at the University of North Carolina, submit a proposal.

00:18:23.000 And their proposal is to take a coronavirus and add this cleavage site, the furin cleavage site, which is going to make it more infectious in humans.

00:18:30.000 Well, even our government, which seems to fund everything, said that was a crazy idea at DARPA, and they said we're not going to fund it.

00:18:37.000 The reason that's important is you roll around two years, and then we see the sequence of COVID-19 in January 2020.

00:18:45.000 And everybody involved with the diffuse project should have been going, aha, I can't believe the sequence looks just like what they wanted to propose in 2018, two years ago.

00:18:55.000 And they should have immediately said, my God, they did it.

00:18:58.000 This came from the lab.

00:18:59.000 This is what they were proposing in that research grant.

00:19:02.000 But you know what?

00:19:03.000 Not one person came forward to say that.

00:19:05.000 Nobody in government, well, one did.

00:19:08.000 Major Joseph Murphy, a lieutenant colonel, a Marine, told his superiors, as he's supposed to, his chain of command.

00:19:14.000 Then he told the inspector general, and he became a whistleblower.

00:19:17.000 He revealed this research project.

00:19:20.000 Anthony Fauci never said a word about it.

00:19:22.000 Ralph Baric, who's part of it, never said anything about it.

00:19:25.000 Peter Daszak never said anything about it.

00:19:26.000 But what we discovered this week is that not only was DARPA looking at this, there was a presentation by Peter Daszak to 15 different agencies.

00:19:36.000 That's a lot of people.

00:19:37.000 That's a big forum.

00:19:39.000 And all of those people should have been saying, and they've got to be connected to virology.

00:19:43.000 That's why they would be in this meeting.

00:19:45.000 Why didn't one of them pick up the phone in January of 2020 when they saw the sequence of the virus and say, oh my God, this is what they were asking for money for two years ago.

00:19:53.000 So something's going on here and we're still having a great deal of resistance, virtually absolute resistance from the administration to reveal these documents.

00:20:03.000 And I keep saying them, this has nothing to do with Biden.

00:20:06.000 This happened during the Trump administration or even the Obama.

00:20:08.000 This is a long-standing bureaucratic problem as much or more than it is any kind of president, you know, one party or the other's problem.

00:20:17.000 And yet I still get nothing.

00:20:18.000 So I'd like to see the deliberation.

00:20:20.000 They decided to fund some research in Wuhan that was gain-of-function, but there had to be some deliberation.

00:20:26.000 Was it gain-of-function or not?

00:20:27.000 Anthony Fauci wags his finger at me and says, I've never ever funded, you know, Gain-of-function research in Wuhan.

00:20:34.000 All my experts tell me this wasn't.

00:20:36.000 And I said, well, let's see the argument because we can learn from the argument because you obviously made a mistake.

00:20:40.000 It was gain-of-function and became a pandemic.

00:20:43.000 So let's see the argumentation that was presented to the bureaucracy why you made the decision to call this not gain-of-function because it was.

00:20:51.000 We can't get any of that.

00:20:52.000 All of that's being withheld.

00:20:54.000 I have a 250-page, and I've got it on my desk, 250-page document that was a briefing for Anthony Fauci on NIH's interaction with coronavirus.

00:21:04.000 Every word is deleted.

00:21:06.000 Every word has been erased.

00:21:09.000 Redacted.

00:21:09.000 Yeah, redacted.

00:21:10.000 Every word.

00:21:11.000 It is insane.

00:21:13.000 And then, Dr.

00:21:16.000 Fauci had this coterie of scientists whom he funded with millions and millions of dollars and he was able to call them together and create this barrier where they were the leading scientists in the field supposedly They were able to tell the press and various forums in that proximal origins paper that was published by the Lancet

00:21:47.000 and a number of other forums where they were all working in different cohorts that this was a zoonotic.

00:21:54.000 In other words, it was a natural spillover.

00:21:57.000 It had nothing to do with the lab.

00:21:59.000 In private, they were all saying to each other, and you got their emails, oh, this has got to be from a lab.

00:22:06.000 But they, at the same day...

00:22:09.000 That they were saying that to each other.

00:22:11.000 They were telling the public, anybody who says that is a conspiracy theorist.

00:22:16.000 One of the leading scientists is a guy named Christian Anderson.

00:22:20.000 There's three or four others.

00:22:21.000 They're communicating back and forth.

00:22:23.000 It's all in a very harried sort of one-day sequence until three in the morning, going back and forth.

00:22:28.000 And they finally send an email to Fauci, and they say, the four of us, these are four virologists, world-recognized virologists, Think that the sequence of the virus is inconsistent with evolutionary theory, meaning that this didn't come from nature, it's inconsistent with evolution.

00:22:45.000 And yet, two days later, Christian Anderson is arguing now publicly, the way I like to present this to the press and to the people is I like to make sure they know that it's consistent with evolutionary theory.

00:22:57.000 So in private, he's saying it's inconsistent with evolutionary theory.

00:23:00.000 In public, he's now saying the best argument, guys, is to say it's consistent with evolutionary theory.

00:23:06.000 There's probably never been A more clear example of a cover-up unfolding where people are privately saying, and I'm sure people must say things in private that they don't say in public, but we've never ever seen anything like this where all their thoughts are recorded.

00:23:22.000 And some of them are saying, I'm 80% convinced this lab.

00:23:25.000 Some are saying, I'm 50-50.

00:23:27.000 But then the paper they produced that you were talking about, Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins, they write up this paper.

00:23:32.000 They call it Proximal Origins.

00:23:34.000 They get it in Nature.

00:23:35.000 In the paper, they say absolutely.

00:23:38.000 This virus is not a laboratory construct.

00:23:41.000 They don't say it might not be.

00:23:43.000 They don't say it probably isn't.

00:23:44.000 In the abstract, they say this is not a laboratory construct.

00:23:48.000 And so I don't think I've ever seen anything like this before.

00:23:51.000 I don't think anybody realized how politicized the scientific process was.

00:23:56.000 And I think you probably did because you've seen how the pharmaceutical companies have manipulated things.

00:24:00.000 But I think the general public has no idea how political this process is.

00:24:05.000 Yeah, and just so that people know, because I think it's important, it was Grison Anderson, it was Bob Gary, Andrew Rampeau, and Fred Foucher, and they're all guys who were, who, by the way, every one of them, after they signed on to this document that they privately believed was wrong and published it, They all got multi-million dollar grants from Dr.

00:24:34.000 Fauci and Dr.

00:24:35.000 Collins.

00:24:36.000 All true, all true.

00:24:37.000 Christian Anderson, I believe, got a $9 million grant signed in April of that year.

00:24:42.000 And, you know, I told you initially, I kind of believed what they were telling us.

00:24:46.000 The scientists wrote that letter to Lancet, 27 scientists.

00:24:49.000 I said, well, how could 27 scientists get together in line?

00:24:53.000 Well, it turns out, and this is when Nicholas Wade and others were reporting this the next year, Of the 27 scientists, it's like seven of them worked for EcoHealth Alliance.

00:25:01.000 Seven of them were receiving the money that may have created the pandemic, and we're going to trust their opinion to be an honest, unbiased, without conflict interest.

00:25:10.000 Several of the others were receiving money indirectly through this, and it's amazing.

00:25:16.000 Lancet just took this.

00:25:17.000 A year later, they kind of produce a halfway apology.

00:25:20.000 And then one of the most amazing things is, and I know you know Jeffrey Sachs.

00:25:25.000 Well, I'm a big fan of Jeffrey Sachs.

00:25:26.000 I think he's an honest person, and he was appointed to study this, and he went into it thinking, well, it probably came from nature, like they always do.

00:25:34.000 And he studied it, and he became convinced, as you or I, he became thoroughly convinced that it came from the lab.

00:25:41.000 Yeah, well, let me ask you this, because we're running out of time, but this is A question I get every day, and I say if I'm elected president, the answer to that is yes.

00:25:53.000 But do you think these guys are ever going to get prosecuted?

00:25:58.000 I think it will require another president.

00:26:01.000 I don't think this attorney general is going to.

00:26:03.000 I've referred Anthony Fauci two times over a two-year period for criminal prosecution for the felony of lying to Congress.

00:26:10.000 And I've just redone it again today because we're doing a third letter because we have him in testimony telling Senator Marshall from Kansas that he has no knowledge of the grant of defuse.

00:26:21.000 I think that's going to be untrue because not only was his agency at the briefing, we've now learned that in the initial stages of diffuse that they were going to use the Rocky Mountain Lab, which is part of NAID. It's an in-house lab and that they were actually part of the diffuse proposal.

00:26:38.000 So I find it very hard to believe that Fauci's never heard of the diffused proposal until later on.

00:26:44.000 And I think he's lied again.

00:26:45.000 But I think it's going to take a different president, somebody that will appoint people that are free of conflicts to actually be in charge of this.

00:26:53.000 But I don't think this administration will prosecute any of them.

00:26:57.000 Well, you know, one of the things that was wonderful, you know, there was so much darkness at that time during COVID.

00:27:04.000 And the one thing I really looked forward to was those two or three times that you got Dr.

00:27:09.000 Fauci in front of Congress.

00:27:11.000 But your committee was dominated by the Democrats who were protecting him.

00:27:16.000 And so you would only get a couple of minutes for questions.

00:27:20.000 But, you know, I'm sure that you had questions afterwards.

00:27:23.000 You were thinking of things that you wish you had asked him.

00:27:27.000 Is that...

00:27:28.000 Yeah, and sometimes we submit them in writing, but we don't often get answers.

00:27:33.000 They just ignore us.

00:27:34.000 But I have to say, really, one of my favorite exchanges was we knew in advance we weren't supposed to use video.

00:27:40.000 And, of course, we did it anyway.

00:27:42.000 So we had the video of Anthony Fauci from 2004 when the mom calls in and says, my daughter's 14 and she's been sick with a dog for two weeks with the flu.

00:27:52.000 Now she's getting better.

00:27:53.000 Should I give her the flu vaccine? 0.99

00:27:54.000 And Anthony Fauci responds, this is before he became overly political.

00:27:58.000 He says, well, of course not.

00:27:59.000 She's been inoculated with the best inoculation you ever have, which is the virus.

00:28:03.000 If she's better now, she doesn't need a vaccine.

00:28:05.000 And so we played it for him before the Democrats object to it being played.

00:28:09.000 But it's like even that, he can't sort of admit.

00:28:12.000 He's like, I wrote the chapter on immunology.

00:28:14.000 And I was like, well, you need to reread the chapter on immunology because you're not paying attention.

00:28:18.000 And it really did cost lives.

00:28:21.000 Regardless of what you think about whether the vaccines work or not, we went a year with no vaccine at all.

00:28:27.000 So during that year, what could you do to help people?

00:28:29.000 There's several things.

00:28:31.000 Most of the deaths, half the deaths were in nursing homes.

00:28:33.000 You know what I would have done if I were Anthony Fauci?

00:28:36.000 I wouldn't have compelled anyone to do anything, but I would have given this bit of advice.

00:28:40.000 I would say, protect the elderly with people who have already had COVID and recovered. 0.99

00:28:45.000 So if I was in charge of the nursing homes, people were getting it right and left.

00:28:49.000 A lot of young people were getting it.

00:28:50.000 As soon as you were documented to get it and you had been better and you were two weeks out, I'd put you in charge of the elderly folks until I could populate everything. 0.99

00:28:58.000 I told this to Trump's detail and they didn't listen to me.

00:29:01.000 I told him, put the Secret Service people around him.

00:29:04.000 There's 2,000 Secret Service.

00:29:05.000 Put the young people who have already had COVID around him to protect him from getting it from other people.

00:29:10.000 So you could have used natural...

00:29:12.000 It's not perfect.

00:29:13.000 I mean, nothing's perfect.

00:29:14.000 But it would have been at least one weapon we could have used to try to protect those most vulnerable, and that was the elderly.

00:29:22.000 All right.

00:29:23.000 Well, Senator Paul, this is the book Deception, the great COVID cover-up.

00:29:31.000 And who would publish the book?

00:29:33.000 Where can people find it?

00:29:36.000 It was published by Regnery, but Regnery is now owned by the publisher you're familiar with, which is Skyhorse.

00:29:44.000 Skyhorse.

00:29:46.000 And at Skyhorse, people can get it on Amazon or their local bookstore.

00:29:51.000 Yes, absolutely.

00:29:54.000 Right, and are you still getting censored?

00:29:57.000 You know, I don't know to tell you the truth.

00:30:01.000 I know that on this I have been and it became a bone of contention like with YouTube and so I just decided I don't need YouTube.

00:30:09.000 My stuff still gets all over YouTube and I decided to put stuff on a competitor and that's one way the marketplace works.

00:30:16.000 And it's one thing that I think some people on the right misunderstand about this.

00:30:20.000 Look, do I hate YouTube and all of these big tech companies that censor me?

00:30:23.000 Yeah, I have great disagreements with them.

00:30:25.000 I would tell them it's incredibly illiberal.

00:30:28.000 It's the opposite of being liberal to restrict people's speech.

00:30:31.000 But I also don't believe that the government has the right to tell them they have to host my speech.

00:30:35.000 I have the ability to go other places.

00:30:37.000 Now, I don't like the government interacting with big tech to coerce them or to convince them to take me on my speech.

00:30:43.000 So I don't like if you were with NBC News right now and afterwards you had to meet with the FBI, that's a chilling effect.

00:30:50.000 The FBI shouldn't be meeting with NBC News, but they also shouldn't be meeting with Twitter.

00:30:54.000 They shouldn't be meeting with YouTube.

00:30:56.000 So when the government is pushing the coercion, there is a First Amendment problem.

00:31:01.000 But I think it's important to know that we can't force them to take our opinion either.

00:31:05.000 And so that part of it isn't part of the First Amendment.

00:31:08.000 We don't always get everything we want.

00:31:10.000 And one of our ways to react is not buy their product or not use their product.

00:31:15.000 Senator Rand Paul, thank you so much for being with us today.

00:31:19.000 But more importantly, thank you for your courage, for your integrity, and for your patriotism toward our country and for being...

00:31:28.000 A light and a champion for the values that make this country important.

00:31:33.000 Well, thank you and thanks for having me.

RFK Jr. The Defender - August 09, 2024

VIDEO: Sen. Rand Paul on Wuhan, Fauci and Covid

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