In this episode, Dr. Paul Alexander, PhD, joins me to talk about his article, "The Power of It: A Summary of 37 Studies on the Efficacy of the COVID Vaccine" in the journal Curriculum Vitae, written in 2021. Dr. Alexander is a former epidemiologist, evidence synthesizer, and evidence synthesis advisor to the WHO in Washington, D.C., and a former senior advisor to CDC's pandemic policy in the U.S. government, HHS. He has worked and was appointed in 2008 at WHO as a Regional Specialist Epidemiologist in Europe s Regional Office in Denmark, and he worked also for WHO in Russia, Turkey, Ukraine, and Poland. He's worked as a government epidemiologist for Canada for the past 12 years and he also has worked on TB control and infectious disease control across Asia, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Pakistan, and all over the world. He has an expertise in epidemiology and teaching epidemiology. He's a former assistant professor at McMaster University in evidence-based medicine, a former Assistant Professor at McMaster, and an epidemiologist at the University of Toronto, and a Senior Advisor to the CDC's Center for Infectious Disease Control and Prevention. Dr. Patrick Kennedy and I discuss the need for masks and PPE in the fight against HIV/AIDS, and how they can be used to prevent transmission of HIV and other infectious diseases. We discuss how to prevent, diagnose, and respond to epidemics. to prevent and manage epidemics, and fight against epidemics and pandemic outbreaks, and the importance of early detection and early intervention in order to prevent the spread of new pandemic pandemic viruses like HIV, Aedes aedes Aedes, the new strain of the Aedes Vibacterium, the Arugovirus. This episode is a must-listen to the world's most virulent strain of Aedes Arugavirus, which has been around for over a century and is rapidly spreading across the globe. and the need to prepare for epidemics in the 21st century. I hope you enjoy it! and learn from it, and share it with your friends, family, colleagues and loved ones. . Thank you for listening and tweet me to let me know what you thought of this episode! Timestamps: 1:00:00 - What do you think of it? 2:30 - Is it safe to wear masks?
00:00:02.000He has an expertise in epidemiology and teaching epidemiology.
00:00:07.000He's a former assistant professor at McMaster University in evidence-based medicine.
00:00:12.000He's a former COVID pandemic Evidence-based synthesizer, evidence synthesis advisor to the WHO in Washington, D.C., and a former senior advisor to the COVID pandemic policy in the U.S. government, HHS. He worked and was appointed in 2008 at WHO as a regional specialist epidemiologist in Europe's regional office in Denmark.
00:00:40.000And he worked also for the WHO in Russia, Turkey, Ukraine, and Poland.
00:00:46.000He's worked as a government epidemiologist for Canada for the past 12 years.
00:00:52.000And he also has worked on TB control and infectious disease control across Asia, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Pakistan, and all over the world.
00:01:07.000CV, Curriculum Vitae, I invited you on here because you wrote an extraordinary article in October, I think it was October 28th, 2021, in Brownstone Institute.
00:01:23.000And to me, it's the most useful summary of all of the studies that are relevant to vaccine efficacy.
00:01:33.000That talk about the efficacy of the various COVID vaccines.
00:01:40.000I one time read an obituary that C.S. Lewis, the kind of theologian, wrote about a friend of his where he described his friend who had died recently as honest as the daylight.
00:01:53.000And when I read that description, I thought, you know, gosh, I'd really love for somebody to apply that phrase to me at some point in my life.
00:02:04.000This article that you wrote, The Power of It, was really just incredible because what it is a very clear statement of what we do know and what we don't know about vaccines and without any prejudice, without any bias from one side or the other.
00:02:19.000But in the end, it's a very devastating picture of this vaccine.
00:02:24.000You don't say that it causes antibody and an enhancement, because we do not, or at least when you wrote this, we did not have that evidence.
00:02:33.000It's just a very good summary of the best studies that are out there on vaccine efficacy.
00:02:39.000And I know that you wrote this in part, Because there were lawyers all over the country, and I know that you work with Peter McCulloch and with Pierre Corey and Professor Harvey Rich, who are kind of the leading lights and treatment, and that a number of people were relying, attorneys began relying on your expertise, and you were motivated at some point to put together, to simply put together all of the studies in one place.
00:03:09.000So will you tell us what the science says?
00:03:14.000Kennedy, and it's indeed an honor for me here.
00:03:16.000Look, the reality about it is we have seen this explosion of infections in UK, Israel, Seychelles, Gibraltar, Iceland, Norway, etc.
00:03:28.000So, including the United States, there was an outbreak in Barnstable, Massachusetts, that kind of caught everybody off guard because it showed that 74-75% of the vaccinated people were infected.
00:03:42.000At that time, it was a seminal study that a company that published in the Lancet.
00:03:47.000It was about an outbreak in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.
00:03:51.000And in that particular study, nurses were locked down for a period of time due to an outbreak.
00:03:57.000And what we found at the end of the study were three or four important findings, which was one that double vaccinated people can and do Do become infected too.
00:04:14.000They were frontline workers and they were tested prior to getting vaccinated.
00:04:21.000So they had PCR tests and they had tests of the levels of cultures in their noses.
00:04:30.000Prior to getting the vaccine, then they received the vaccine.
00:04:34.000They were then locked down because there was a surge.
00:04:38.000And they were locked down for several weeks.
00:04:40.000And that allowed a unique situation where you could look at, where you could examine the efficacy of masks You could examine the efficacy of vaccination against transmission.
00:04:53.000And you could also look at what was happening, whether vaccinated people were getting sick or not, and what was going on in terms of their capacity to transmit that virus to other people.
00:05:11.000Well, what I think the interesting things that we are finding in these studies, in that study, the one in similar, there was one in Israel by Chitrit, and there was one in Finland.
00:05:22.000These three nosopomiel outbreaks in these three institutions, Vietnam, Israel, Finland, showed us that A, these nurses had masks and PPE. So that's a big problem.
00:06:27.000And They found that the nurses harbored about 251 times viral load in the nasopharyngeal passage than earlier strains, the alpha strain, etc.
00:06:39.000So it was a huge, huge problem because it demonstrated from that study and the bond stable that we have a problem.
00:06:48.000And around that time, if you recall, Rochelle Walensky, CDC lead, came to the microphone to tell everyone, put back on the mask.
00:06:56.000Because those studies were beginning to frighten everyone.
00:06:59.000But right now we have these 37 studies that show us, it's not my words, this is the evidence.
00:07:07.000It shows us that the vaccine doesn't hit the Delta.
00:07:10.000The Delta bypasses the immunity from these vaccines because what the public still doesn't understand is the vaccine is comprised of the contents from the initial Wuhan strain in March of 2020.
00:07:35.000You should be able to tell them today, you know...
00:07:38.000What you're going to take is going to be worthless because we have a study that told us that the Pfizer vaccine loses 40% antibodies per month.
00:07:49.000That means after three months, you effectively have no immunity.
00:07:56.000And people are not understanding this.
00:07:58.000So when you're talking about let's continue running the vaccine clinics here, the public doesn't understand that you are getting something that in two months the vaccine, the efficacy wanes.
00:08:09.000So it's a devastating situation and nobody's being told the truth.
00:08:13.000And we are set up now with this routine.
00:08:16.000Look, Israel is now prepping for a fourth booster and there are indications that the UK has started a fourth booster.
00:08:23.000We don't know how the human immune system is going to respond to that level of boosting.
00:08:29.000It could be catastrophic and that's why I put it together.
00:08:32.000A lot of lawyers asking me, we need something for the court because of all these vaccine mandates.
00:08:38.000So I said, okay, this is the evidence.
00:08:40.000Put it in your legal document and argue your case because the evidence is clear.
00:09:23.000At the same time, we had a good study in Wisconsin by Rhinosma.
00:09:29.000And what they were actually showing us is that the vaccinated and the unvaccinated carried the same level of viral load.
00:09:36.000And also, we were seeing in the studies that the cycle count threshold, which is, and I know you know what I'm talking about, the TCR test, the number of cycles, To amplify the piece of virus from the swab.
00:09:52.000The lower the cycle count is our proxy measure of how infectious you are.
00:09:58.000And we know once you have psychocomb thresholds like 24 and below, that person has a massive load and very infectious.
00:10:07.000Anything over 30, we know that you're probably not infected with COVID. You might be testing positive, but that's viral junk and fragments.
00:10:17.000And we've been arguing that 95% Of all of these infections from last year and even this year are really not positive COVID. We can have that discussion another time.
00:10:31.000The PCR test is a devastatingly flawed test.
00:10:36.000But back to the vaccines, the reality about it is this.
00:10:40.000Our concern is that Because of the, not just that the vaccine has failed, because you mentioned something earlier, the antibody-dependent enhancement.
00:10:49.000And I think that is the issue for us, because we are seeing that the vaccinated is getting so infected.
00:10:55.000In time, we might progress to more than just infection.
00:11:02.000Let me just explain this to people who don't know what antibody-dependent enhancement is.
00:11:08.000This is the big fear that everybody, including Tony Fauci and Paul Offit and Peter Hotez, talked about at the beginning, is that every COVID vaccine that had ever been made before, coronavirus vaccine in history, had made the animals that coronavirus vaccine in history, had made the animals that they gave it to sicker.
00:11:28.000So when they first gave them the vaccine, it provoked a very robust antibody response.
00:11:33.000And the vaccinologists thought, we hit the jackpot.
00:11:37.000We're getting a great antibody response.
00:11:39.000But then when the wild virus comes back around, instead of resisting it, it facilitates, it amplifies its impacts, and it ended up killing the ferrets.
00:11:51.000And it's much, much, the vaccinated get much sicker than the unvaccinated.
00:11:56.000This was the big rock that everybody wanted to avoid.
00:12:01.000Now the problem is, That Pfizer discontinued its study and blinded the placebo group in six months.
00:12:11.000And a lot of critics say the reason they did that is because they wanted to hide any evidence of an antibody-dependent enhancement.
00:12:19.000So now we won't, we'll never see it in the data.
00:12:23.000And what I'm going to ask you now Is there evidence anywhere in the world that we are seeing anybody dependent on Hanson, or is the jury still out on that?
00:13:18.000And I think to really answer your question, we have to touch on the concept of the original antigenic sin.
00:13:25.000And I think to answer this antibody-dependent enhancement, we have to admit, or we have to be willing to look at that concept To try to explain the data.
00:13:35.000And I think based on the data, what we are seeing now, we could actually explain that antibody-dependent enhancement is occurring.
00:13:44.000Because the priming, the initial exposure to the pathogen is subverting the immune response so that the proper immune response is not happening in the vaccinated person.
00:13:57.000And when you do bump up against that pathogen again in the environment, Your immune system is fighting this wrong and the response is catastrophic because you are getting more and more infected as a vaccinated person and your lungs are getting sicker and sicker and sicker.
00:14:15.000And the problem is if we go by what the vaccine developers told us, they told us that our vaccine is suboptimal.
00:15:21.000Because normally this virus, which should land, will land in my nostrils, my nasopharyngeal pastures, or my oral cavity.
00:15:29.000The normal response is what we call the cytotoxic natural killer cell response.
00:15:36.000Where those cells, CD8 plus cells, are zoned to the respiratory tract, the lung, et cetera, to deal with a respiratory pathogen.
00:15:48.000Now, if my first exposure, though, was vaccine, and I have spike in my blood now, in my circulation, and it has produced antibodies for me, my immune system is We'll get that signal that there's something wrong, something taking place systemically.
00:16:08.000It will divert my response, my first response, my initial priming to my circulation.
00:16:16.000So the problem with using the original antigenic sin to try to explain this is that that first exposure prejudices.
00:16:28.000To that direction for the rest of your life for that pathogen.
00:16:32.000So that when you do bump up against SARS-CoV-2 in the environment for the first time, which you will, because we are within, we have pathogens circulating, that virus would land in your nasopharyngeal as normal.
00:16:47.000The proper response, which is the cytotoxic immune response, Which will send the proper immune response cells, the CD8 cytotoxic natural killer cells, to clear the respiratory tract and kill the virus.
00:17:05.000That is not happening, or at least at a much lower level, because the immune system has been biased and primed towards antibodies.
00:17:13.000So even when you do get exposed in the wild, your immune system is getting signals that, look, my first exposure was vaccine.
00:17:22.000And I produced antibodies and antibody response systemically because that was the signal I was getting.
00:17:28.000Now you are getting exposed in the environment, in the nasal passage.
00:17:35.000But I'm thinking, let me continue going the antibody response.
00:17:38.000and the immune system will continue churning out antibodies in the circulation and not the proper cytotoxic cells at the respiratory tract where it is needed.
00:17:49.000And it is at that point you have virus now in the nasopharyngeal.
00:17:54.000You don't have the proper CD8 plus cytotoxic cells wiping them out.
00:18:40.000Your immune system did mount an antibody response.
00:18:43.000However, when it did do that, you actually biased the immune system lifelong.
00:18:53.000Sort of clarify this with another concept, which is we've been told that if everybody gets the vaccine that we'll have herd immunity, which means the virus will stop spreading because the pool of people among whom it can spread has been reduced dramatically.
00:19:12.000But what you're saying opens the possibility That the vaccine can permanently prevent us from obtaining herd immunity because You're going to have continually having these new variants come along and that the vaccine is so specific to that one variant and that one immune response that we don't get the lifetime immunity that could protect us against all variants and over a longer period
00:19:56.000The antibodies that we are producing, what we would call from the vaccine, the vaccinal antibodies, We are functioning to suppress and out-compete the other antibodies that our immune system produces, your innate antibodies and your naturally acquired antibodies.
00:20:17.000And it is that out-competing and subversion that puts the vaccinated person in a devastating situation.
00:20:26.000It is as though you become almost defenseless, and it's the argument to the children.
00:20:32.000The vaccinal antibodies suppress the innate antibodies the children bring, the children come with and pre-activate it.
00:20:42.000That is why children do so robustly and well against COVID and a host of other viruses, a host of other pathogens.
00:20:50.000They have an innate immune system, unlike us, that is so vicious and potent that it will vanquish anything.
00:20:57.000And the evidence is there and accumulating that we run the risk with vaccine because the vaccinal antibodies function to suppress the innate antibodies in children.
00:21:10.000And that would mean that at that point, you will have children defenseless against not just SARS-CoV-2, but other pathogen out there.
00:21:21.000So that is why we've been writing, like I wrote that op-ed, In Brownstone about two months ago and the title was Dear Pfizer, Leave Our Children Alone and Parents Must Consider Their Children Already Vaccinated.
00:21:35.000And I laid out studies that showed, biological studies, molecular studies that showed children actually have a molecular basis of immunity already.
00:21:45.000Because of the ACE2 receptor limitation in their nostrils, children lack the apparatus to become infected.
00:21:51.000And we know that by a study by Patel et al.
00:21:54.000We understand why children have been spared.
00:22:17.000We have a situation now where this is so mild, so non-lethal.
00:22:23.000Yet infectious, that it is almost as though if you let it run and you allow healthy, you don't stop it, but you don't promote it, but you allow people to live lives normally, naturally and harmlessly, be exposed.
00:22:39.000Little children, young people, healthy people, their immune systems can handle it.
00:22:56.000As time has gone by, the virus is responding to the pressure we're putting on it, the pressure from the vaccine program, the pressure from the lockdowns, every single thing we do.
00:23:07.000The virus responds, detects, senses, and it responds.
00:23:12.000So now the virus is mutated down, mild, and it will continue.
00:23:17.000Let me just point this out, because this is a law of biological evolution.
00:23:27.000When a virus or an infectious disease, any infectious disease, strikes a naive population, the first surge, the first infection is by far the deadliest.
00:23:40.000And then after that, through various mechanisms, even without any attempt to control the virus, the virus will quickly evolve into a much less pathogenic or virulent, dangerous form.
00:23:55.000The reason for that, there's two reasons.
00:23:58.000One is that when it hits the naive population, the most susceptible individuals are eliminated, are killed.
00:24:04.000So the second surge hits the population that is more biologically fortified just naturally against the virus.
00:24:13.000Secondly, and most importantly, these are organisms that are evolving rapidly.
00:24:18.000You know, in some cases, thousands of times a day, they're breeding, so they're constantly mutating and evolving.
00:24:24.000And the mutations that are the least dangerous are the ones that have the most advantage selectively.
00:24:34.000If you are a parasite, You want your host to be healthy, to be happy, to be socializing, to be having sex, to be playing with people, because that's the way you spread.
00:24:50.000The last thing you want is to kill your host, because then you're dead, and you don't want to debilitate your host or make him sick, because then he's not spreading your progeny to the rest of the population.
00:25:03.000So the mutations that quickly get the most That progressively they're always the ones that are least less and less deadly.
00:25:18.000And that ultimately all of these organisms reach a stasis with the population where they ultimately just stop killing people because the ones that don't kill or sick at anybody Are the ones that out-compete all of their brothers and sisters?
00:26:44.000This SARS-2 would eventually get there based on what we're seeing now, especially with the advent of Omicron.
00:26:50.000So, again, it has to go back to what we were arguing before.
00:26:54.000When I was in the administration and I got a lot of heat and a lot of slander and stuff, it was because my argument at that point was, I had joined in May.
00:27:08.000We had the same focus, similar to Bhattacharya did at Stanford, which was you properly, properly protect the vulnerable in your society If that is the only thing you ever do, that will come for success.
00:27:25.000But you see, the problem is we've never properly protected our elderly in nursing homes or in long-term care facilities.
00:27:31.000And it was like killing fields there in the United States and in Canada.
00:27:35.000Many of our people died, our elderly parents and grandparents.
00:27:41.000If you could properly secure a population, the vulnerable in your population, take care of them, Protect them.
00:27:48.000And we knew that we had early outpatient treatment so that if the elderly in a nursing home got infected, you could provide treatment and you could clear that virus in the two-week period, they will become naturally immune and they will not go to hospital.
00:28:04.000Because from the time an elderly person touches the emergency room door, their 28-day mortality rises to about 40%.
00:28:14.000Use outpatient treatment, early treatment, as needed, but allow the complete rest of society, as normal as possible, to live normal lives taking reasonable, sensible precautions.
00:28:35.000We've run out of time, but what is your understanding of this?
00:28:40.000We're seeing the death rate in the United States was 22,000, roughly, per million population.
00:28:47.000In Europe, it's roughly 1,900 per million population.
00:28:52.000Nigeria, 14 people per million population.
00:28:56.000They use ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
00:28:58.000The most vaccinated countries in the world, Gibraltar, has 2,900 per million population.
00:29:08.000And we're seeing this around the world that the more vaccinated a country is, there's a direct correlation between the levels of vaccination and, number one, the infection rates, but also, I believe, the mortality rates from COVID. And so how do you explain that?
00:29:28.000Could that be an antibody-dependent enhancement, or are we seeing something else?
00:29:34.000Yes, well, the reality about it, well, yes, I agree.
00:29:39.000It's the only thing that we can bring to the situation to try to explain that data, such that the vaccinated person, because of the pressure, here's the key, Mr.
00:29:50.000Kennedy, if this vaccine, I don't support it, But I'm saying, if you brought this vaccine to us and it was a sterilizing vaccine that it prevented transmission, the only way we could stop or we could calm a pandemic is to break the chain of transmission.
00:30:08.000So 100%, we will never, ever, ever get to herd immunity, population herd, with these vaccines.
00:30:15.000And The problem here is when we vaccinate someone or population, we are putting pressure on the virus that's circulating, but not complete knockout pressure.
00:30:28.000We are just poking the virus, and it is that suboptimal pressure.
00:30:33.000It's not that we have a vaccine that will wipe it out.