00:14:35.620Lil Pump can't go to a lot of these clubs as well.
00:14:37.340I think you got in a fight or something.
00:14:39.080But isn't it a crazy act that that's put in the same category?
00:14:41.320Enjoying a song is the same as getting in a fight.
00:14:44.000Like that's causing enough problems for the business.
00:14:46.580All the other music, glorifying violence, drug use, all that, that's not considered a problem.
00:14:52.080But getting in a fight is equivalent to enjoying a song that offends people too much.
00:14:55.860But if you listen to Fuck the Police, you listen to 21 Savage, My Chop of This, My Chop of That,
00:15:00.860that is not deemed as controversial, but really it should be.
00:15:05.220And that's what I think the double standard is and why I like the song, what I think it exposes.
00:15:09.780Well, I don't think it's necessarily a double standard.
00:15:12.420It is just actually it solidifies this one thing to say.
00:15:20.120A group, you could offend any group as long as they don't band together to stand up for themselves.
00:15:27.000like if there was a coalition of you know like black leaders or or that had a lot of resources
00:15:34.860power and the trust of the community that says hey if you guys talk about black people even
00:15:41.660as black people a certain type of way we're not rocking with it but there's nothing like that
00:15:46.140right like there's lgbtq and there is you know obviously a bunch of things yeah i guess it was
00:15:51.260but the song doesn't single out doesn't even say the word jew in it it just says all my niggas
00:15:56.420nazis and it's like the nazis what they also invaded poland they also they killed a lot of
00:16:01.160different groups i think if you say hail come on that guy yeah i know but my point like hitler did
00:16:07.200a lot of things he was more than just somebody who did the holocaust he was a german leader
00:16:11.460he persecuted a lot of people and they single it out now and they they claim victim over it
00:16:16.880now understandably but the point is they didn't it's not like fuck the police where it's like
00:16:20.820literally fuck the police a single group it's just it's saying a leader right if the song was
00:16:25.720called hail stollers this is you're smart and i'm not in no way shape or form defending
00:16:31.440you know um what's what's uh what doesn't make sense about that
00:16:35.760yo that's like you saying act you're like if i mention you you're much more than just like
00:16:43.140this hip-hop person you're also a band a jamaican like these are all true things but
00:16:50.740there's context that is clearly given we all know that that song is meant to be a jab at jewish
00:16:58.120people to pretend it's not is is to think that people are dumb i i i i think that i think trying
00:17:06.460to say or add some nuance to say well the song could mean anything shows that you might be
00:17:11.580disingenuous it is it is a jab no it is a jab i of course it is but what's more important about
00:17:16.880that song is it's breaking the final boundaries of free speech this is the last thing you can't
00:17:22.200say this is the most controversial sentence you could say even if a white person says niggas
00:17:26.160they're not supposed to say that you're also not supposed to say not you put it together all my
00:17:29.080niggas nazis that doesn't even make sense so it's like okay look you're glorifying hitler okay
00:17:32.960were the nazis comprised of niggas no absolutely not right it's the it's saying everything you're
00:17:38.420not supposed to say this is the last boundaries of what we're capable of saying the last boundaries
00:17:44.780of speech that's what i think is more important from the song no no i i agree with that too
00:17:51.340i agree with that too however you know i've always been told it's upon the the offended parties
00:17:59.800to pick what offended them not what you meant in terms of offense so i think it was clear and
00:18:08.720it's clear to me that is an offensive song um now granted there's a lot of offensive songs you know
00:18:17.040yeah no no i'm i don't i think this thing's all overblown like i really don't think like come on
00:18:22.800it's a fucking song that's why i told you i said i think it's more of the action because it looks
00:18:28.240like y'all on some rat it only like it's one thing if y'all are like just regularly dancing
00:18:33.340to the song the salutes that's how i was i i'm not gonna i'm not pointing finger but that's that's
00:18:39.220how i approach the song optics matter no i'm i'm not them i'm not like them i'm not if i was gonna
00:18:45.400start pointing fingers i would have i would have been done that right now it's happening right now
00:18:48.160one of your friends is trying to do that right now saying that it's all my fault i don't want to
00:18:52.520i'm not trying to give clout to these people it's like uh let me let me text you like let me let me
00:18:57.300text you but anyway um yeah look at your phone they're blaming you and i'm trying to get i'm
00:19:04.720trying to get myron to join this call too if you guys could tell the chat they could be a good
00:19:07.420combo yeah they're trying to blame me for all of it but i i think the way i thought it was
00:19:12.200yeah i think it's better to just like just treat it like a song it's turning it into this thing
00:19:17.240where it's like it turning it into a fuck you i think makes it worse and it's not it's not the
00:19:21.900smart it's not the smart way to do it but it's still people can do what they want with the music
00:19:25.520i listened to everybody speak about this like all of you guys and i thought the person who was
00:19:29.920you know at least in and i hate to call it blame but the person who was saying
00:19:34.720um whose fault is it right let's just say whose fault i think nick was was pretty accurate he's
00:19:42.960like yo everybody played a part in the moment happening fresh who set up the club nico you
00:19:50.340did this cloud view streamed tate is the reason why we're there like you know i mean it's like
00:19:57.100it's and and everybody no one was objectionable objectionable to that song and maybe yes some
00:20:08.060people didn't turn up to it or didn't know what it was but the moment is created by a bunch of
00:20:12.740things right yeah and singing one person out like this is the evil person you know um it's insulting
00:20:19.260people's intelligence this is why i think it's a goofy way for people to direct blame away it's
00:20:23.840like if everybody saw the clip a lot of people saw it live everybody was clearly enjoying it
00:20:28.520we're all just having a good time when we left nobody made an issue so i think it's insulting
00:20:33.780to the viewers intelligence intelligence to try to to change the story and rewrite what happened
00:20:38.240and also i don't think that frame is the right way to go where it's like oh he's to blame he's
00:20:42.140to blame because yeah like i said it's that's admitting that you did something wrong and you
00:20:47.260break it down what did we do that was wrong okay so so so let me ask you this question too
00:20:53.640and there is rumors that um yay um you know he's not the happiest that this song is you know
00:21:04.340becoming a topic of conversation because he is trying to make some amends with the community
00:21:09.800and he's not trying to like re-dig up old wounds so to speak
00:21:14.860with with that in mind right i think yay has gone through something and he's realized that
00:21:25.040even if he may have some personal gripes that had him come to those you know thoughts that
00:21:31.080hey it's these group of people or whatever the case is is it worth your life being this disheveled
00:21:38.520like he can't perform in the united states they they have canceled his web hosting where he sells
00:21:46.420his clothes online they have disrupted every part of his life debanked him did all this
00:21:51.920i always say i always say to you know and i've said this well i think i've said this to fresh
00:21:58.820and i've asked him about like you know their platform fresh and fit i said are y'all willing
00:22:06.400to die on this on this uh mohill like think about you maybe maybe not others but but i am and this
00:22:12.820is why i said that the red pill you're willing to get debanked de-platformed demonetized just to
00:22:19.480keep talking about these people in a way that you feel is it makes you feel free even though they
00:22:27.560they're saying this is why i mean maybe people are gonna think that's corny that's why i started
00:22:32.160the call saying i'm top g because this is what this is about it's about escaping the matrix it's
00:22:36.160about not being a slave saying that i am not going to say these certain things even though they're
00:22:41.220not wrong because my life's going to be ruined that is accepting slavery you know that what we
00:22:47.160did is it's not a crime we're free men this is america we have free speech and if you say that
00:22:52.640you have to be controlled you're admitting that you have now succumbed to that slave system and
00:22:57.860a lot of people they bowed out they tapped they tapped out so that's why the whole brand is like
00:23:02.200escape red pills like the truth masculinity this is all important so many people are folding but
00:23:07.660this is what this is what's important this is it's a bigger issue although it's goofy it's the club
00:23:12.380really it's it's about freedom like although that might sound stupid it really is about
00:23:18.600testing the limits of what because they say that it's the land of the free home of the brave they
00:23:22.920say we have free speech and then you see what happens and the miami mayor says that i'm banned
00:23:26.880for Miami Beach are we really in the land of the free well I'm confused by that stance because
00:23:32.940if if you're if you're with your if your conviction to what your beliefs are are that strong
00:23:43.380the we all know what happens you're going to get ostracized and you're going to get
00:23:51.760d platform and you're going to your reach is going to dwindle you might have a couple loyal
00:23:58.860sneaker nights i don't know you know what you call them i'm pretty sure you have a cool name
00:24:02.900love speech but oh love the love speech community like you're gonna have a bunch of them but they're
00:24:08.380gonna marginalize you and turn the volume down on your voice that you're not going to be effective
00:24:15.860in really making that message really other to an echo chamber why not still have the same point of
00:24:24.940view but perhaps say you know what i could play within the lines but still get my point across i
00:24:32.660don't think the ideas are bad maybe you're gonna tell me different i don't think the ideas you have
00:24:38.140are bad i think if y'all are going out there just saying fuck this this person or this can be like
00:24:44.800If you're, and I always say this, like, especially where I come from, like we, I get paid to communicate.
00:24:51.800Like I got done trouble before for things I've said, and I had to look deep within pause and say, if you get paid to communicate, you should know how to communicate things in a more palatable way that still conveys your message strongly.
00:25:07.280because at a certain point you you're a child where it's like rather than using your vocabulary
00:25:14.880and your ideas to battle i do you're just trying to say the things right that no one could say so
00:25:20.920if you can't say fuck them no no i don't say fuck them this is why the song is so important to me
00:25:25.920because i am not a nazi i'm not a hitler supporter i don't hate anybody like i said the community is
00:25:32.480called the love speech community i love everyone that's what jesus taught to love everybody right
00:25:36.780And so they insist that, oh, it's hateful, it's hate speech, it's hate speech.
00:25:50.100And so I do believe in optics and stuff like this.
00:25:53.020I was telling other people that sometimes the provocative thing and trying to rage bait too much, it's not strategic and you can be shut out before your message gets out there.
00:26:01.780But the song is objectively good on its own without the lyrics.
00:26:05.840And so if you're going to tell me I can't listen to the song because you don't like the lyrical content, I'm going to say no.
00:26:10.980And, yeah, I do present myself in a certain way.
00:26:12.940And this is why I tell people, like, we should, you know, I was telling a lot of, today I'm wearing the Nike tech, but I'm like, let's put on suits.
00:26:55.420And I do present myself in that way as well.
00:26:58.620But if you also say that I can't listen to a song because it's hurtful,
00:27:01.600I can you know there's a there's an argument there but that song on its own is an object is one of the best songs of all time you know it's one it's and that's what helps the point so much is that it stands alone as a song and you can't tell me that I can't listen to a good song listen in music as I said I think if if this came on a bunch of hip-hop people and they were filmed and that song came on and as long as they're not turning up to it I don't think it's viral okay I think the associated actions
00:27:31.600any associated people made this go viral and it meant something right i i i do want to before we
00:27:38.360address because i know the mayor the mayor did say before you get to that point you're right i want
00:27:41.880to add up to that point you're right because when the music video dropped you remember it was on
00:27:45.160both of our streams they're all black people and they're wearing furs and it's with the blue light
00:27:50.040and it's in that that big warehouse right i think it went more it definitely went more viral last
00:27:54.360week than it did when the song first dropped and that's because of because it was turned into a
00:27:58.620political statement yeah rather than rather than strictly performance art and nobody in the music
00:28:03.980video was throwing up salutes it was like it was it was black people it was almost the way i
00:28:07.720interpret the video i was editing the music video i interpret it as like a reflection of yay like
00:28:14.060he is a black man in america it's like being freed from slavery this is the last shackles the last
00:28:19.320shackles of slavery because we really aren't free if we can't speak if we can't enjoy music
00:28:25.320okay and and i guess the last thing on this i would say is i'm using my my experience in what
00:28:34.820i've done in media and i really i really take communication as like that's the only thing i
00:28:42.020used to half of my career i didn't show my face it was just all about communicating with words
00:28:46.080and whether you were inflammatory whether whatever you know i've always really understood
00:28:53.400the weight of my words and being able to capture an audience and being able to send a message
00:28:57.400is the reason why some people really like me is the reason why some people hate me
00:29:00.660i will say this when i was coming in the game there was a particular type of radio personality
00:29:07.640it was it was called a shock jock and those people would say things that were shocking
00:29:14.280now a lot of times the shocking thing was like clickbait it was to bring you in and sometimes
00:29:20.240they had really good points to make afterwards but the shock jock at that time people would
00:29:26.420want to hear them say the things that might be objectionable that they couldn't probably say
00:29:32.040and it worked over time that mold of a radio personality changed that person was usually seen
00:29:41.580as you're just saying things to piss people off or you're just saying things to blurt out the the
00:29:49.660the thing that most people with decorum wouldn't what became the the new type of personality that
00:29:56.200most people gravitated towards is the person that was about nuance that that kind of shot away from
00:30:01.800that right where where it's like it wasn't about getting cheap clicks and and i do think that
00:30:08.360again this moment to me that's the that's a shock jock right not saying that i don't think so because
00:30:15.860shock shock is like before you continue that is just saying it's like just saying spamming slurs
00:30:20.500right and that's that's not that doesn't move anything forward the song and this is what's
00:30:25.560so important is sonically it's beautiful the song is the song is saying hail this guy um y'all are
00:30:32.280shouting out no but it's you know the beginning of the song is man these people took my kids from
00:30:37.480me then they froze my bank account i got so much anger in me got no way to let like i have all this
00:30:41.880anger they took everything from me they're calling me this the people are betraying me yes i'm a
00:30:46.280cuck i like when people fuck on my bitch you're calling i'm gonna just become the villain it's
00:30:50.720beautiful it's like a soliloquy it's like it's like a it's beautiful it's beautiful like he's
00:30:57.940it's all this everything all these attacks and all this you know it's like the man's life being
00:31:03.420summarized in a verse and then fuck it's like it's a release you know it's cinematic in a way it's
00:31:09.100like a symphony if it wasn't that beautiful then i would accept that framing that it's like shock
00:31:13.380but it's not this is about a man who's just had enough a man who has been beaten up by the system
00:31:19.320that's been betrayed okay do you agree um so so in your opinion the hooligan christian they give
00:31:27.060the 25 fucking gifted hooligan christian w probably be um the the salutes and probably
00:31:36.160name in the group right like because i think y'all were like jews mad or whatever i don't know if
00:31:41.160that's like a thing right yeah that wasn't me you know i i don't think that's not how i would
00:31:46.680present the song i think that i think that is uh the shock shock thing of it that's that's fine
00:31:51.400some people do that but i think that that makes it ruins how good of a song not ruins it but it
00:31:57.340simplifies it a little bit because it's not really about like listen again to the lyric it's not
00:32:02.080about nazism it's not about hitler it's it's a it's a fuck it's i had enough
00:32:06.560sneaker the song's called hail hail hitler yeah but it's about him do you remember the beginning
00:32:12.340what did i not do you you know the story you know yeah you've spoken to him you know what it's about
00:32:17.920you're acting like you're like you're a random i know i know i know but but but again no one
00:32:23.160identifies with kanye's story but him what people recognize i think you can't you just said yourself
00:32:28.360too that you've been you've been uh been hated on by the media you face pressure you've been told
00:32:32.900to be quiet you've been canceled from places right however it's been unfair the notable part of that
00:32:40.140song is not that is when he says nigga hell hell but that's why it's so good but that's that's why
00:32:45.280it's so good is because it's like it's the build-up right have you've never felt like you can't relate
00:32:50.140right i'm asking you can you relate where you've been in a spot where it's just all this stuff
00:32:54.820people are attacking you saucy i'm not trying to be but imagine like complex and then all this
00:33:00.500stuff like you've been through a lot in your career i've watched it we were talking earlier
00:33:03.560well hold on earlier you saw my air survey like how'd you get that on facetime i remember i've
00:33:07.720been watching academics talk on facetime since for 10 years talking to xxs you've been a major
00:33:15.060part of hip-hop for over a decade it's it's it's cool to see not to glaze but there's never been
00:33:21.480a point really where you like just see all the injustice and everything that's unfair the betrayal
00:33:26.200the lies and you just want to be like fuck it fuck you no no i i understand that sentiment i've
00:33:33.120felt that way many times here's what i'm saying there's just certain things i just wouldn't stand
00:33:39.080behind like for example like if someone made a song and a song could be beautiful about yo like
00:33:45.960there's many songs like that um historically like what's the name of that song it's not even a hip
00:33:52.060hop song it's like yo like we're not gonna take this anymore like there's a lot of songs that
00:33:57.500are basically just kind of showing frustration it's the same it's the exact same exactly that's
00:34:01.300the same feeling here's the thing if that if that was a sentiment of the song and it got to the
00:34:07.220chorus and it says motherfucker shout out epstein like i would be like whoa that's not my type of
00:34:14.700song bro like you get what i'm saying and i know like like you're just ignoring that part it's like
00:34:20.960so would you pop would you rock with a song that said hail epstein if it was good i mean i listen
00:34:26.940to ice but i listen to sexy red yeah yes if it's a good song like i don't agree to fuck the police
00:34:33.340but that song's great nwa pioneered hip-hop absolutely imagine this imagine there's somebody