00:03:06.080Yeah, I mean, do you actually have real scars?
00:03:09.900I do, actually. That's why I wear a hat.
00:03:12.920I was attacked by a guy in an Israeli army uniform in 2014 in broad daylight in the middle of the street in London when I was a member of parliament.
00:03:24.540I was hospitalized and I got scars on my head.
00:03:29.280so i started to wear this hat and it became my my emblem my motif you might say so uh well it
00:03:38.440suits you this thank you the scars have healed but i kept the hat do you mind i don't know if
00:03:45.700you if you want to show them i'm not trying to put you on the spot yeah no you wouldn't you
00:03:50.340wouldn't see them the they're faded that's fine but that's good it was it was quite a horrific
00:03:56.220The guy got 22 months in prison for it. Although, of course, he only served half of that in the liberal justice system in this country. And then he was flown to an Israeli kibbutz for rest and recuperation. They had a big fundraising drive for him. So none of this started on October 7.
00:04:20.200Absolutely not. It seems like you started to realize what was going on in 1977.
00:04:25.480You took a trip to Beirut and Lebanon. I got to see Lebanon in 2024.
00:04:31.320Great place, great people. What did you learn on that trip?
00:04:34.700Why did you get to understand that this started way before October 7, 23?
00:04:39.980Well, of course, Lebanon in the south and also in Beirut and also north in Tripoli
00:04:46.220It was full of Palestinian refugees then
00:04:50.440who had been driven out of Jordan in black September of 1970.
00:04:56.920And these camps are engraved in my heart now.
00:05:15.180But the Palestinian presence in Palestine, which was not by choice, they wanted to be in Palestine, but they were forced into Lebanon and that presence caused a lot of problems for the Lebanese.
00:05:31.240And then later, after the PLO had left Beirut under a bogus U.S.-brokered agreement, we had the massacre of Sabra and Shatila when all the Palestinian men had left. Their wives and children were then set upon by wolves.
00:05:51.120And then the emergence of the Muslim Shiite presence in Lebanon
00:06:01.000In the south of the city of Beirut and in the south of the country
00:06:44.360But when I was there, they already occupied exactly that piece of ground and they were driven out by the resistance and they'll be driven out again.
00:06:56.460The Lebanese people are the hardiest, most resilient, most steadfast people you could possibly meet.
00:07:05.140Yeah, and a lot of them are Christians.
00:07:06.580So the narrative in America is that they're all Muslim, but Lebanon has so many Catholics.
00:07:14.980It's not just specific to Shias or Sunni.
00:07:18.240This is something that Americans don't seem to understand.
00:07:20.240And I read that you were falsely detained by counterterrorism in Gatwick Airport in London, which is pretty funny because you spelled it out correctly.
00:07:30.940These groups like Hezbollah and Hamas did not exist without Israeli occupation.
00:07:35.220They are, in fact, a derivative of Israeli occupation.
00:07:38.560Why were you detained by counterterrorism?
00:07:41.900Well, if I may, on the first part, first, we now this day have a situation where Christians are hiding Muslims in their attics.
00:07:55.480And Israeli soldiers are searching for them house to house.
00:08:00.040How redolent of the Holocaust, how redolent of World War II in occupied Europe is that they made Schindler's List all about a Christian man doing his best to protect Jews.
00:08:15.200Now we've got Christian families in South Lebanon doing their best to protect Lebanese Muslims from people who claim at least to be Jews.
00:08:27.500That's something we might explore later on.
00:08:31.200But, yeah, I mean, this broke to the world when I was on the Tucker Carlson show.
00:08:37.000So the long version can be found in my interview with Tucker Carlson.
00:08:42.660But effectively, my good wife and I returned to my own country and her country of residence. She's Indonesian. We have three British children and a house in Scotland.
00:08:57.780and we never imagined for a second, and I mean a second, that armed police officers
00:09:06.420would detain us in a British airport, something that's never happened to me in travelling
00:09:12.880across the whole world multiple times. I saw these armed men and some women come towards me
00:09:21.640and I suddenly realized they were coming for me and I said to them this is a very bad idea guys
00:09:30.660and they said I said are you sure you want to do this and they said well we've been told to
00:09:38.200do this as indeed they had by the British government which is presently got more than
00:09:45.0202 000 people under arrest under the terrorism act for holding up placards saying that they support
00:09:54.940a palestinian non-violent civil disobedience organization called palestine action who've
00:10:02.460never so much as harmed a fly but who are now under terrorism charges and actually some of
00:10:13.260these people that are under arrest are in their 90s i'm not making this up many are in their 80s
00:10:21.020hundreds are in their 70s the their grandmas they are retired vicars of the church of england and
00:10:30.700they are on terrorism charges notwithstanding that i thought that someone like me a member
00:10:39.820of the British Parliament, elected seven times across five decades from the 1980s until a little
00:10:49.900over a year ago. One of the best known people in the country, whether people like me or they don't
00:10:56.040like me, they all know me. And I've got armed policemen arresting me under the terrorism charge
00:11:03.680and they held me for five hours they held my good wife for six hours she had a palestinian flag
00:11:10.880on her fingernail as nail varnish basically and painted in the palestinian colors they grilled
00:11:19.940her about her fingernail that's how insane the situation has become in western countries including
00:11:28.420your own well the terrorists are called the victims and the victims are called the terrorists
00:11:34.780and anyone who sympathizes with the victims is accused of terrorism that's how absurd it all
00:11:43.540is so we basically left my home country in which i've lived all of my life and it's been a long
00:11:50.800life. We've we've left the country because my wife certainly not prepared to live in a foreign
00:11:59.300country in which she gets held by gun toting cops on terrorism charges. Every accusation is a
00:12:06.460confession with them. And you pointed out a correct analogy to Nazi Germany. The Schindler's
00:12:12.200list is part of that propaganda machine talking about them harboring people in their attics.
00:12:17.080This is happening right now. We've seen, I'm sure you saw Ben Gavir, one of the leaders of Neset, which is Israeli Congress, celebrating and bragging about the noose that he's going to hang Palestinian prisoners for the death penalty.
00:12:30.320And I think this is the first time that we've seen since Nazi Germany a death penalty applied to one group of people, but not to another.
00:12:38.000So only Palestinian prisoners are subject to this death penalty, something that Jewish prisoners in Israel are not subject to.
00:12:44.680What comparisons can we make between Nazi Germany and the Israeli terrorists of today?
00:12:51.960Well, Ben Gavir literally cracked open a bottle of champagne on the parliament floor and was passing around the goods.
00:13:02.800This man is widely regarded as a fascist, and it's one of the greatest ironies in history.
00:13:11.980I was born in the shadow of the Second World War. The pictures of the Holocaust, the foul nature of Nazism, of fascism, was something that informed my whole life.
00:13:27.360And now we are seeing, only 80 years later, we are seeing an echo of what happened to the Jews in occupied Europe.
00:13:44.400What is the destruction of houses, virtually every house in the Gaza Strip, but the raising of the Warsaw Ghetto?
00:13:55.300What is this one-nation death penalty but an echo of the Nazi-era laws which punished Jews and punished non-Jewish Germans so very differently?
00:14:12.620Day after day, we see the Jews behaving like the Nazis and the Palestinians behaving like the hunted, reviled, subhumanized Jews of the Nazi era.
00:14:29.840So, I mean, irony doesn't really live up to such double standards.
00:14:36.940We need a stronger word for irony. I just can't think of one.
00:14:42.620this is a grotesque monstrosity that the people who suffered so much are now making, and other
00:14:51.120people suffer so much, and that people, the Palestinian people, did nothing to them, ever.
00:14:59.180Palestinian Arabs, Muslims, Christians, and Jews lived together in perfect harmony in Jerusalem
00:15:07.640and in the Holy Land until the emergence of this foul ideology of Zionism, which has so many
00:15:17.080comparisons with the ideology of fascism itself. In your history in politics, it seems like it's
00:15:25.260very successful at gaining a populist movement from both sides. A lot of people like Stephen
00:15:31.180Yaxley, Lenin, Tommy Robinson, Epstein associate, he will try to alienate Muslims. But from what
00:15:38.280I've read, it seems like you have an appeal with so many white voters, white Christian voters that
00:15:43.100want to put Britain first, and also with the growing Muslim population in the UK. Have you,
00:15:50.140I'm sure you've already spelled out how much pushback you faced for, you know, the counter
00:15:55.260But how can you describe this movement, you know, your history in the Workers' Party and your appeal to different demographics in the UK?
00:16:07.020Well, it's not easy, of course. It's a very simple task to sell racism or hatred of a particular group to an electorate that has been systematically confused and misled all of their lives.
00:16:29.500And that's what people like Robinson, I don't normally mention his name, but as you have, I will. That's what they do. They feed on a legitimate anger amongst the British population at how miserable their lives are, how miserable their outlook is, how miserable their future appears to be.
00:16:52.060and they seek to blame it on the other.
00:17:18.120Fleeing pogroms in Russia and in Eastern Europe, many Jews ended in Britain and were subjected to exactly the same kind of scapegoating.
00:17:30.940Now, it's Muslims. Earlier in my life, by the way, it was Irish.
00:17:34.240I am half Scottish, half Irish, and the Irish part of me had some difficult times in my own life, but far more difficult times in the life of many other Irish people.
00:17:49.160So it's easy to blame the black guy, the Irish guy, the Muslim guy. It's easy to feast like a vulture on that and gain certain political traction.
00:18:03.680But we, in the Workers' Party, we say we all have different identities.
00:18:09.600I support Celtic, you support Rangers.
00:18:12.060I support Manchester United, you support Chelsea.
00:25:32.400And who earned just about enough to have enough to eat
00:25:36.480And be clothed enough to turn up for work the next day
00:25:40.040And whose labor was the only thing that they had to sell
00:25:44.840So I'm not left or right. I'm a socialist. A very great mentor of mine, the late and great Mr. Tony Benn. He used to say, when you say it, put a hyphen. I'm a socialist.
00:26:01.020In other words, for me, common sense socialism is that some things are too important to leave to the Donald Trumps of this world, the private sector, the Lutniks and all the other capitalists that postulate around Donald Trump.
00:26:24.200Some things in life are too important, only to be determined by how much money you have.
00:26:31.660It's one of the great ironies. I'm sorry to digress.
00:26:35.540But Americans don't have free education, don't have free health,
00:26:42.080but they're supporting Israel with billions and billions and billions of dollars.
00:26:47.900And they do have free education. They do have free health.
00:26:53.080So you're subsidizing them for things that your own people don't have.
00:27:00.060So some things like health, like education.
00:27:04.500I mean, you wouldn't believe how poor my background was.
00:27:08.920I mean, and there's no point in a sob story about it.
00:27:14.100And by a combination of of socialist ideas, I was able to get an education, not a university one.
00:27:27.540I never went to university. I'm I'm a factory worker, but I was able to learn the love of reading and learning that has fueled me all of my life.
00:28:13.540Everyone should be able to go to school for as long as their ability warrants it.
00:28:19.540Everybody should be able to get a nutritional breakfast, a nutritional school lunch.
00:28:26.540Everybody should get their books and whatever else they need at school, not depending on how wealthy they are, but because they're citizens, because they're humans living in our country at this time.
00:28:40.000For me, that's socialism. Now, I don't believe in the state running everything. I spend much of my time in China. There's plenty of capitalism in China.
00:28:54.560But the state has the guiding hand on the economy and it will not allow vast discrepancies between rich and poor to coexist either between one Chinese person and another or one region of China and another.
00:29:13.940They are desperately seeking to drag up the once impoverished and underdeveloped parts of China.
00:29:24.140And anyone who's been to China or anyone who's just watched the pictures can tell that that system is superior to ours.
00:29:34.640China has 50,000 square miles of high speed rail.
00:29:40.360And by the way, Sneeko, when I say high-speed rail, I'm talking 300 kilometers an hour.
00:29:47.320I'm talking about high-speed rail that feels like you're in one of Elon Musk's rockets.
00:29:55.220Do you know how many square miles the United States has of high-speed rail?
00:30:04.120You have not one kilometer of high-speed railway in your country, but you're going around the world bombing people, invading people, thinking you're the masters of the universe.
00:30:18.080Well, the streets of Philadelphia, the streets of San Francisco are an absolute disgrace to any country, never mind the country that styles itself as the greatest country in the world.
00:30:34.120I mean, Trump just said in a speech yesterday that daycare is not a priority because they have to go and funnel these wars.
00:30:41.380Rubio goes and says, Iran, perhaps they'd be a better country if they didn't focus so much on the military budget.
00:30:47.280And the irony is right in front of our faces and insulting because they are asking the Pentagon for 200 billion more dollars to fight this war that nobody can even justify properly.
00:30:59.980So many Americans are apprehensive to this idea
00:32:52.020What comparisons can we make between the UK and America?
00:32:56.360Because I think you crushed Piers and you were talking about how Piers was trying to demonize the Iranian government and say that they're backwards.
00:33:05.100And I think some similarities between Keir Starmer and Donald Trump are that Keir Starmer, one, he has married into a Jewish family similar to how Trump's daughter, Ivanka Trump, is married into Jared Kushner's family.
00:33:16.140And so now his daughter has converted.
00:33:18.860Where do you see those sort of comparisons and especially your criticism of the Iraq war, which the UK supported?
00:33:27.100I'll tell you what, our king is headed your way. I'm very sorry about that.
00:33:32.100He's a congenital idiot and we just must hope that his trousers don't fall down on the stage, the biggest stage that he's going to be on.
00:33:43.080I don't know which parts he's visiting, but you'll regard him as a bit of a Mr. Bean.
00:33:49.680But he's been forced to come on this because Dharma cannot bear the withering criticism of himself
00:34:00.180that Donald Trump is currently daily issuing because the United Kingdom has for so long pitifully held on
00:34:11.480to the coattails of one American president after another. Oscar Wilde said we were two countries
00:34:18.780divided by a common language. We're actually not all that divided anymore. Everything that you do
00:34:26.220that's bad, we do in one form or another. And we left the European Union, but we never left
00:34:35.320the grisly embrace of the American empire.
00:35:04.540which was of course at least to an affectation of the Romans was that they were a continuation
00:35:12.620of Greek civilization that's kind of how the British elite saw the relationship but they
00:35:20.800didn't realize that actually the American ruling class doesn't give a toss about us and as soon as
00:35:31.740We even, by a scintilla, differed from the policy of the American ruling class. We would be trashed just as severely as little Macron is being trashed now by Trump yesterday, humiliating him on stage.
00:35:50.580We would be trashed just like the Danish were trashed because they didn't want Donald Trump taking 25 percent of their national territory and making it part of the United States.
00:36:04.660So there are many lessons being learned right now. The world is being reshaped in front of our eyes. The Iran war has demonstrated not the power of the American empire, but the sunset of the American empire.
00:36:23.800And didn't Trump get elected claiming that he'd put America first, that he would make America great again?
00:36:32.960If he'd gone around the country saying, I'll make Israel great again, I'll make Israel first, he would never have been elected.
00:36:43.160He lied to the people of America who believed that he was some kind of human hand grenade that you could throw into the salons of America's elite that had such contempt for the ordinary people of America.
00:37:01.300Hillary Clinton and her basket of deplorables, their obvious contempt for the great majority of the American people.
00:37:13.160People in 2016, especially, took the opportunity to throw a human hand grenade in amongst them, and that hand grenade was Donald Trump. But he was a damp squib. He didn't do any of the things that he promised to do. He didn't lock them up.
00:37:32.680He didn't bust the cartels wide open. In fact, in this second term, especially, he has shown himself to be just like all the rest. And now the Americans have got to look for a new solution to their problems.
00:37:53.380I don't know what that's going to be. I don't know who's on the horizon. And I'm not a big supporter of Mamdani. But he did show that another world is possible. Another New York City was possible. That you could unite the disparate population of New York into a winning electoral coalition. Maybe you should go into politics, son. You seem to have the right stuff.
00:38:22.240we'll see i'm just a streamer i'm here to do these interviews and speak to people like you
00:38:26.740this is uh something in the future mom donnie i mean i'm in new york city he's very popular and
00:38:31.420i think he's doing a great job so far again i don't agree with everything he said but you got
00:38:35.300to give him credit where it's doing you're right trump just said in a speech i think two days ago
00:38:40.260that without me israel wouldn't exist without me israel wouldn't be the great place it was and
00:38:46.480you're right he didn't drain the swamp and even more importantly one of the main things he
00:38:49.900campaigned on was building the wall and fixing immigration and he's been very slow to release
00:38:56.200the deportation numbers and reveal how many immigrants illegal immigrants have been deported
00:39:01.680and instead of deporting the illegal immigrants and focusing on the real problem he spent so
00:39:07.500much time calling Somalian people low IQ talking about the fraud that's in Minnesota instead of
00:39:12.420the fraud that's happening in Lakewood New Jersey which is very similar to the rhetoric you see in
00:39:17.720the UK from people like Tommy Rubenstein saying that the Muslim immigration is a problem, even
00:39:23.700though you definitely know this immigration issue happens because people like the administration
00:39:29.960in the US and the UK bomb these countries and create so many immigrants. And then they go in
00:39:35.900instead of blaming the people that are causing the wars, they blame the immigrants. The difference
00:39:40.260between the US and America is that Muslims, for example, and he loves to call Somalians low IQ,
00:39:45.920they make up around one to two percent of the population. In the UK, it's a little bit more.
00:39:51.500What would you say about the rising sentiment of mass immigration in the UK?
00:39:58.740Well, we're against mass immigration. We're the workers party. You don't need to be
00:40:04.940Einstein to work out that when the labor force increases, the price of labor falls. And it's my
00:40:13.600job as the as the the union negotiator for the British working class to get the best wages and
00:40:21.360the best conditions that we can so we oppose mass immigration not just for that reason mass
00:40:27.700immigration beggars impoverishes the countries from which the mass immigration is coming
00:40:35.080And their health service suffers because we take their doctors and nurses.
00:40:42.740Their brain drain impoverishes their country and fuels a much more wealthy capitalist country in the Western Hemisphere.
00:40:56.140So we're against mass immigration, but every country needs immigration.
00:42:33.360Both of them support the current war on Iran.
00:42:37.020How many refugees do you think are going to end up in Western Europe from the human flows of misery that are going to result from mass killing and destruction on this scale?
00:42:54.880And then you're going to blame the refugee when the refugee fled from a war that you supported?
00:43:00.620It is monstrous as a piece of hypocrisy, but it doesn't stop them.
00:43:23.320So the people that are supporting Israel are the ones responsible for the mass immigration,
00:43:29.840but they don't take the real responsibility. I saw many moments, and I think where you gained
00:43:36.880a lot of credibility, especially in America, is your opposition to the war in Iraq. How could
00:43:42.640you describe the English involvement in this war? And what comparisons can we make to Iran war right
00:43:48.840now? Because, you know, I'm younger and I grew up during the Iraq war where the lies of weapons
00:43:54.560of mass destruction were spread every day. We heard all the propaganda about how backwards they were.
00:43:58.940Then we found out that a million people in Iraq were killed for no reason, that there were no weapons of mass destruction, and we're repeating this mistake to a T right now with Iran.
00:44:08.920And I'm getting deja vu. It feels like I am in a twilight zone hearing the same propaganda repeated without people seeming to be aware of it.
00:44:21.300You've summed it up perfectly. That's exactly where we are now.
00:44:26.460Only one letter of a difference, as Donald Trump clumsily put it just the other day. It's all the same commentators, the same newspapers, the same television channels, the same political class that are telling us all the things about Iran that they previously told us about Iraq.
00:44:47.940and which most of them, not least Donald Trump, called out as lies at the time.
00:44:56.060To Trump's credit, he was opposed to the Iraq war
00:44:59.200and for all the reasons that he's now reversed in relation to the Iran war.
00:45:07.800And I was one of the leaders of the movement against the war in Iraq
00:45:14.120and everything that we said turned out to be true
00:45:18.120and everything that our enemies said turned out to be lies.
00:45:22.860But the liars just kept on lying about one country after another.
00:45:28.880They invented new Hitlers all along the way
00:45:32.820and tried to persuade us that we must go to war
00:45:36.400or at least support terrorism in their countries,
00:45:41.120support even al-Qaeda, support even ISIS, the more extreme breakaway, although some people
00:45:52.440straddle both these organizations. One of them was warmly welcomed in Downing Street yesterday
00:45:59.220and earlier in the White House. In fact, Trump sprayed him with Trump perfume. He was the former
00:46:08.420deputy leader of al-Qaeda who became the deputy leader of ISIS. And now he's the president of
00:46:18.280Syria. And Trump boasted that he made him the president of Syria. So we were prepared to
00:46:28.380support arm fund and shield in every conceivable way al-qaeda and isis the very people who in your
00:46:40.160very city are said to have brought down the twin towers murdered thousands of americans and who
00:46:48.340definitely are responsible for horrific terrorist atrocities in many different parts of the world
00:46:56.600That's how cynical Western politicians are. They're prepared to put knives into the hands of people who will cut people's heads off with those knives as long as they can be used against our official enemies.
00:47:15.720And that's what we did in Syria. What we did in Iraq could scarcely have been worse. But in terms of morality, Syria was something even more shameful.
00:47:29.380We deliberately put ISIS and al-Qaeda into power in Syria because we hated the regime that was there, because it was a Russian ally, because it would not make peace with Israel, because it had friendly relations with Iran.
00:47:48.360was all part of one big geopolitical jigsaw, and this piece had to be removed and replaced with
00:47:58.300that piece. It's, you know, time does not permit us to go into all the depths of the cynicism
00:48:08.400of Western politicians, but I hope I've given a flavor of it.
00:48:14.120Right, and we could see that ISIS attacked so many countries in the Middle East,
00:48:17.920but ironically, they'd never attacked Israel. And now we know, we understand more that so many of
00:48:23.600these groups that were used to spread propaganda about Muslims and say that they're all terrorists,
00:48:28.160they were all directly CIA and Mossad funded. The Epstein files revealed this. And again,
00:48:32.960you could see the leaders of the free world bragging about it on stage, that they are the
00:48:36.700ones responsible for changing this regime. What do you think holds back so many people
00:48:42.960from understanding this issue. Why is Trump able to get away with this? And how do you think people
00:48:50.400can wake up to what's really happening? Well, again, you're absolutely right. You could just
00:48:58.380speak to camera. You don't need me. The weapons of mass destruction that never were in Iraq was
00:49:07.700the reason, the casus belli, for a war which killed a million people and sent fanatic extremism
00:49:15.560cascading around the world in the form of al-Qaeda, in the form of ISIS. In Iran, it's a
00:49:23.440non-existent nuclear weapons program. Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons. If they did have nuclear
00:49:30.980weapons, America and Israel would not be attacking them right now for fear of those nuclear weapons.
00:49:38.560They have a religious fatwa against nuclear weapons. I've said for many years, when you've
00:49:46.020got two nuclear armed powers, Israel and the United States, trying to destroy you, it's pretty foolish
00:49:52.360of you not to have a nuclear weapon, if you can build one, as the Iranians plainly could.
00:49:59.500but they won't they don't they haven't and yet this these two hoaxes have run side by side
00:50:08.660you invade iraq on weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist and you're invading iran
00:50:15.280on nuclear weapons which don't exist it's partly the still hegemonic power of mass media
00:52:19.880argument so that one by one we win uh the people and the people we need to win most are not people
00:52:28.940of my age but people of your age the people that you're talking to and i'm talking to thanks to you
00:52:34.580right now thank you and unfortunately so many of the boomers i'm sure you know are just it's a
00:52:40.020perfect example of you can't teach an old dog new tricks they eat up that evangelical slop it just
00:52:45.720seems pretty much hopeless. Not to be all doom and gloom, but the majority of the boomer class
00:52:50.840are never going to learn. That's the reality. It's interesting that you point out Hegseth. He just
00:52:55.360bragged and said that he wants Ellison to buy up all the media so that they can keep pushing their
00:52:59.680propaganda in a country where we boast about having free speech. You mentioned New York Post.
00:53:04.880I just did an interview with them three hours ago, and this is a mainstream publication that
00:53:10.180has pushed the same thing of moral policing people like me, while also aligning with that
00:53:16.580same genocidal state that we have right now, the 4K evidence of them committing a genocide.
00:53:22.720And you're right, it is Gen Z that's going to have to make the change. You have a lot of success in
00:53:27.700your career of garnering a populist movement, which is what Trump was successful in. In 2015,
00:53:33.0602016, after they rigged the election to the DNC against Bernie Sanders, I became a Trump supporter
00:53:38.340because I wanted an outsider and I did believe that he was going to drain the swamp and all the
00:53:42.940lies that he pushed. What success have you found in your career at garnering a populist movement
00:53:48.680and how can the future emulate your success? Well, I think you've got to go with the grain
00:53:57.340of your own country, your own society. There's no point in telling the people you're asking
00:54:03.500to vote for you that you actually hate them, that you consider them deplorable, that you
00:54:09.220hate their filthy habits. You have to be a part of the country you're in. You can't live
00:54:14.040in an imagined country at an imaginary time, sometime in the future, when all rough edges
00:54:21.380have been smoothed over. So you have to talk the language that your own people talk. You
00:54:29.620have to know the culture that your own people have. You mustn't allow yourself to be the
00:54:39.740Algonquin, the round table of superior people. You have to base yourself amongst the masses.
00:54:50.360They must be the water in which you swim. And that's a mistake that many, many people
00:54:57.700who call themselves liberals, call themselves left, have made. It's not one that I have ever
00:55:06.900made. As it happens, I have very similar views on God, on marriage, on children, on law and order,
00:55:17.300on drugs and so on, as the great majority of my compatriots do. So I don't suffer from that
00:55:26.120weakness and then you've got to tell people the truth you've got to believe in it for a start
00:55:32.340because people can easily unmask the charlatan who's saying what he thinks people want to hear
00:55:41.580rather than what he believes and he has to say it in the best and sharpest possible way and in the
00:55:49.060fewest number of words because some people talk a very great deal and say nothing. And
00:55:56.740if you can do that, you can begin incrementally to gain ground. And that's what we have been
00:56:06.360doing. I told you earlier I'd been seven times elected to Parliament, but only four of those
00:56:12.520times were in the mainstream political scenes. Tony Blair expelled me after 36 years of membership
00:56:21.560from the Labour Party while I was a sitting Labour member of Parliament. So I stood against him
00:56:30.400and I won. I stood against them a second time and I won again. I stood against them a third time
00:56:37.780And I won again. So I've been doing something right. And if you check the local election results next month in May, you'll find advances, still further advances made by the Workers' Party of Britain.
00:56:56.140Because, as I said to you, we're socialists, but we're not liberals. We want socialism for the people, common sense socialism. Look at gas, for example. Gas is six times more expensive than it was four years ago.
00:57:15.620People can't afford to heat their own houses
00:57:19.360They're sitting in their own sitting rooms
00:58:39.000of our convictions. And if you sell my ideology to the masses in this way well enough,
00:58:49.340eventually you're going to surmount the negative, hostile propaganda that people have been
00:58:55.340treated to all of their lives. I think you're the first one to really spell it out correctly,
00:59:01.300because there are a lot of proper arguments for your idea of socialism. But so many people in
00:59:07.080America, they have a cloud of judgment because they often associate it. And you make the
00:59:11.240distinction between leftism and socialism, right? So many of these people that purport these values
00:59:16.440are also waving transgender flags at the parades. And although we don't hate people, we understand
00:59:21.760that this is a harmful ideology with the high suicide rate. And so they conflate the two and
00:59:26.460they think that you're a crazy, woke liberal who with blue hair and this stuff, and they don't
00:59:31.960want to hear these ideas. But the idea of free health care and a free education, this is something
00:59:37.600that the average American should look towards, especially when there's $94,000 in debt for the
00:59:43.460average member in Gen Z. The likelihood that we can own a home or be married at the age of 30,
00:59:49.480it's 10% in Gen Z. But for the boomer generation, it was over 50%. You see people like Mehdi Hassan,
00:59:56.200who also, he's Muslim, but he does align with a lot of this liberal ideology. And maybe that's
01:00:02.480why you make a distinction between yourself and Mamdani. So it is important to make that
01:00:07.500distinction. Right now in the UK, you see also a major separation between people like yourself
01:00:13.360and Piers Morgan, or Louis Thoreau, who recently just did a documentary on the Manosphere.
01:00:19.380And the shifting in American culture is very similar to the British culture separation.
01:00:26.200I think in a lot of ways, maybe you have an overlap to people like Roger Waters of Pink Floyd, who have been very critical of that same regime.
01:00:33.780Where do you see England going right now if the culture shift is super similar to the culture shift we see in America?
01:00:44.120It is increasingly similar and in some respects identical.
01:00:50.400And again, if you don't mind me saying, it was you that exported it to us.
01:00:54.320As the Red Hot Chili Peppers once said, Californication. We have been Californicated in British culture. All this liberal claptrap came from across the Atlantic, and I, in my long political life, saw it happening.
01:01:16.120But to be clear, I have no hatred for anyone on the basis of their sexual orientation. I treat people as they would like to be treated. I care not a whit who people sleep with as long as it's consensual and legal.
01:01:37.660But I don't want it, no pun intended, rammed down the throat of the rest of us.
01:01:50.460Thankfully, they're at school in a place where such a thing would never happen nowadays.
01:01:55.980But I don't want my children to be prematurely sexualized.
01:02:01.660I don't want them taught that some things are right when I think they're wrong.
01:02:10.560They're my children, not the state's children, not the school's children.
01:02:16.460So these objections to the culture that I am making right now are shared by the vast majority of people, you know.
01:02:26.320I mean, it's abating a bit now, but what I call trans mania was only a couple of years ago in Britain, literally a mania that was sweeping every institution in the country so that the word woman disappeared along with the rights that were long fought for by women.
01:02:54.200Now, I don't care if John wants to be called Jean, but I'm not going to agree to him changing in the swimming pool in front of my daughters.
01:03:08.580I have three daughters and four granddaughters and they have the right to women's spaces.0.95
01:03:15.920They have the right not to have to get changed in the swimming pool or in the gym0.96
01:03:20.980with a guy with a swinging dick who identifies as Jean, but is obviously John.
01:03:33.360So the liberals can call me a Nazi for saying what I've just said, and they will, but the great majority of my compatriots agree with me on that.
01:03:47.160A girl in athletics or in the boxing ring has the right to compete against and fight another girl, not a guy that's identifying as a girl who knocks her out of the ring with the first punch, who beats her in the 100 yards by 10 clear yards.
01:04:10.820that's not fair women have rights they were long struggled for and hard won and we in our part
01:04:21.700of the political spectrum will always support the rights of women rather than the rights of men
01:04:29.500who are identifying as women what's wrong with that is the question i ask what's wrong with that
01:04:38.280The vast majority of people will say, as you just said, nothing at all.
01:04:43.700But again, these are such minor issues that should be massively understood by people.
01:04:48.960But we get sidetracked by culture war division.
01:04:51.920And obviously, this is planted by the same people promoting genocide.
01:04:56.200On a major scale, what we should be concerned about is this war.
01:05:00.400And it seems like a lot of people are still looking away, still unaware.
01:05:07.280You said that this is the sunset of American empire. Is this going to be the end of Western civilization leading the world in terms of rhetoric and economy?
01:05:19.860Well, as Mr. Gandhi, the Indian independence leader, said when asked by an American journalist what he thought about Western civilization, Mr. Gandhi replied, yes, I think that would be a very good idea.
01:05:31.340So when I hear the words Western civilization, I always recall that anecdote.
01:05:37.720We have been responsible for 500 years of the occupation of other people's lands, of the enslavement of millions of people, of the ruin and grand larceny of other people's wealth.
01:05:59.400You know, the British took three trillion, trillion pounds of the wealth of the people of India, just one part of our once vast empire. We owe them three trillion pounds sterling, which is a debt which will never be paid, of course.
01:06:21.160The reality is Western civilization was never very civilized.
01:06:27.360In Europe, we tore each other apart in wars, some of which lasted 100 years.
01:08:03.640China can't make the Ford Mustang, not yet, at least. Can't make the Rolls Royce, not yet, at least. And our intellectual, cultural greatness. China hasn't produced the Beatles, not yet.
01:08:20.540We could have made nice with the Eurasian landmass of Russia and China and benefited from their economic success.
01:08:34.620But no, our idiot rulers decided to make war on economic war, tariff war, trade war, terrorism war, subversion war against the places where the sun has risen.
01:08:50.760and therefore we could have benefited from
01:14:51.780I can see the significance of the female population in Iran. We've been sold a blatant lie, our people, on this question. So Iran is showing that it is winning. Trump cannot now possibly prevail.
01:16:09.940You're in New York. When the five families put you on a protection racket, at least they give you protection. At least the Genoveses will act if somebody attacks you if you are paying them protection money.
01:16:26.080But Donald Trump, the United States, hasn't protected these monarchs at all. In fact, it moved the weapons that were supposed to protect your closest allies in the Gulf. It moved those weapons to Israel, of all places, and left the monarchs to fend for themselves.
01:16:49.420there will be big consequences from all of this the tectonic plates are shifting not just in the
01:16:57.440Persian Gulf but right now most dramatically in the Persian Gulf but they've already shifted
01:17:03.180to the east and to the global south in any case and you and me will turn out to have been on the
01:17:12.220right side of history sing hallelujah if you'll forgive me I'll take your leave hallelujah