SHNEAKO - SNEAKO Interviews Glenn Greenwald： World War Iran

00:00:00.000 I think that the U.S. underestimated their enemy. I think even them assassinating Khomeini,

00:00:04.240 they thought it was going to demoralize because they completely underestimated how passionate

00:00:08.600 Shia Muslims are, especially the people of Iran are, about the idea of martyrdom. I think that

00:00:12.600 assassination inspired them instead of demoralize them. And you can see the videos now, people are

00:00:17.800 now willing to die for a greater cause. I don't think Trump has any idea what he's up against.

00:00:22.360 Tucker Carlson has Ted Cruz. What's the population of Iran? Ted Cruz doesn't know. They're so

00:00:26.720 arrogant i don't think they have any clue what they're up against at all so much of maga was no

00:00:32.240 more middle east wars no new wars we're not fighting any more of these regime change wars to

00:00:36.640 watch such a huge part of that movement that march behind that banner for so long instantaneously

00:00:41.760 switch on a dime and start reciting idiocies to justify what their leader was doing that's the

00:00:46.880 part that has been most surprising to me so what do you think is going to be the the predominant

00:00:52.000 objective which country will these negotiations be designed to most serve their interests

00:00:57.440 obviously it will be israel the russia ukraine thing is interesting because the israelis hated

00:01:02.800 the soviet union and you have a lot of these like jewish emigres from the soviet union who are now

00:01:07.280 russian jews were all up and down the american media and if you like start looking you'll notice

00:01:11.760 that those are often the most militaristic and fanatical people who are like destroying russia

00:01:17.520 and defending ukraine like always wanting americans to go to war there's a huge overlap

00:01:21.760 all these laws now that are in the eu and the uk and canada and australia brazil over the world to

00:01:28.240 empower the government to control media but it's just it's too big it's too unwieldy the

00:01:32.400 cat is out of the back kind of like the way that people hate israel and and know that israel is

00:01:36.400 drags us into wars you know you see larry ellison buying up every media outlet he can including

00:01:40.640 tick tock and the hope of reversing that that's never going to be reversed nor is the fact that

00:01:45.040 people trust those of us who are independent and don't work for those corporate outlets far more

00:01:49.120 than they do corporate outlets who deserves the most credit for opening or kicking down the last

00:01:53.920 piece of the overton window to let people talk about israel in the beginning it was extremely

00:01:58.240 taboo accusations of being an anti-semi were a lot more rampant than they are today is somebody

00:02:02.800 like nick fuentes responsible for people to speak about israel publicly yeah i mean for the younger

00:02:08.320 generation for people who are younger who are primarily next audience for sure he's he's one

00:02:13.360 of the people who just refused i mean because even when people were more willing to do it

00:02:18.640 nick was like in front i don't know if you speak about this but we on the theme of whistleblowers

00:02:23.760 9-11 i just want to ask you that question we're not live yet right oh no i'm i'm already i'm

00:02:28.900 already live i should have told you i guess all right good okay all right nick's great

00:02:33.040 yeah so you what's your what's your background you know i haven't done a deep dive which maybe

00:02:40.220 this can make this this interview better but what is your your history what's your experience

00:02:45.820 well i was a lawyer uh for about 15 years in new york and i was in manhattan on 9-11

00:02:56.280 and started perceiving some very kind of radical changes in the name of the war on terror that i

00:03:03.160 found very disturbing hadn't really been all that political previously like in a sense just

00:03:08.380 like consuming politics and wanting to talk about it basically the attacks on civil liberty the

00:03:14.840 erosions of all these things that these the crossing of all these lines that we thought

00:03:18.840 as americans we wouldn't see our government crossing and obviously the endless wars and so

00:03:23.820 i just started becoming more engaged politically more concerned politically and then i guess in

00:03:28.800 2005 like late 2005 i just started a blog there was like free blogging software called uh blogspot

00:03:37.280 at the time that a lot of just bloggers use it was like the heyday of blogging and for a bunch

00:03:42.760 reasons some involving luck some i guess not i developed a pretty large audience very quickly

00:03:49.320 and then from there just got hired like at various media outlets for salon and the guardian and then

00:03:54.440 it was that one that i was at the guardian that i was contacted by edward snowden and did the edward

00:03:59.800 snowden reporting uh which was a huge story probably the biggest story in journalism for

00:04:04.200 like a year and a half and it won you know like pulitzer's or the film about it that won the oscar

00:04:09.080 um so i think that's like what elevated my profile a lot and then you know i live in brazil so i've

00:04:14.960 done a lot of big investigations here too um but yeah that's basically it that's that's quite a bit

00:04:21.800 edward stoden he's still in russia he he's in hiding

00:04:26.380 i don't know if he's in hiding exactly when we were in hong kong hong kong is where he went

00:04:34.900 after he took the documents from the nsa and he called me or emailed me and we talked for a couple

00:04:43.460 months and then i went to hong kong to meet him we assumed it was myself and laura poiters who

00:04:49.620 directed the film the documentary citizen for that won the oscar we was the two of us and we assumed

00:04:55.060 the whole time that we were working with him that it was probably 98 certain that he was going to

00:05:00.340 end up in the hands of the u.s government because when the u.s government wants to get someone they

00:05:05.660 get someone and they were desperate to get him it was obama the obama administration they like one

00:05:10.980 time the and he crashed and they thought even though they had no evidence for it they just

00:05:20.860 had a feeling that the president bolivia morales was going to russia to take back snowed into

00:05:25.980 bolivia and give him asylum and they downed his plane over europe this like the plane of the

00:05:30.600 president of a sovereign state like dangerous actually and he wasn't on the plane of course

00:05:34.800 it was embarrassing i guess for them but um so they were desperate to get him and then he he his

00:05:40.760 plan was i'm going to leave hong kong fly through fly to russia fly from moscow to havana havana on

00:05:48.920 to south america where he was going to get asylum and the obama officials called cuba bullied the

00:05:54.160 cubans out of uh allowing him safe passage so he got trapped in the russian airport in moscow

00:05:59.440 and then finally they took him in and gave him asylum and then ultimately turned into citizenship

00:06:03.800 but he never wanted to be in moscow that wasn't his choice he's not russian he has nothing to do

00:06:09.280 with russia but he's been there i guess 13 years now and he ended up marrying his high school

00:06:15.340 sweetheart they have two young kids so he's doing very well he's not really in hiding he just can't

00:06:20.000 leave russia without immediately being arrested and when you first started doing this journalistic

00:06:26.480 reporting when you were uncovering the war on terror and uh the war crimes were you aware that

00:06:32.480 this was a war for israel i've been well i'm not sure i would say the entire war on terror was for

00:06:42.240 israel oh i certainly think the iraq war was for israel and i was aware of that at the time certainly

00:06:48.240 when I, by the time I began writing in too late 2005, the war was, you know, two and a half years

00:06:52.140 underway. I was definitely aware of that. And a lot of my early writing, even for the first decade

00:06:59.540 was very much focused on the influence, the untoward influence of Israel, but also, you know,

00:07:06.360 neocons like Israel firsters who were in the United States, they dominated the Bush administration,

00:07:11.820 you know, like that's who formed all those policies. It was like Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas

00:07:16.640 faith and richard pearl a lot of these you know jewish zionists who were they all bill crystal

00:07:22.960 they all wanted you can go find their writing from before 9-11 they were desperate to uh lure

00:07:29.040 the united states into a regime change war in iraq they had netanyahu come and testify as sure

00:07:33.280 you know in 2002 to congress telling the congress oh if you take out saddam democracy is going to

00:07:37.880 spread peace is going to spread so they wanted this all prior to 9-11 they exploited 9-11 to

00:07:43.620 get their entire agenda so you couldn't critique the war on terror or the bush administration

00:07:48.760 honestly if you weren't willing to talk about the role that israelis were playing in all of this

00:07:53.800 so because you have you know extensive research on the iraq war nenyahu testified and well he was

00:08:01.660 begging americans to go fight this war because saddam was saying he said it was going to be

00:08:05.340 very beneficial for americans is this the exact same playbook happening right now exact exact

00:08:12.280 same exact same i know you were too young to have lived through that um or remember it i just i'm

00:08:18.820 thinking like four years older than you so i was pretty young at the time too but i do remember a

00:08:23.260 lot of it pretty well why are you laughing and i like single when i tell you that it's identical

00:08:28.560 i'm not exaggerating it is identical and a lot of times it's the same people like i don't know if

00:08:33.200 you saw fox news like excavated condoleezza rice from whatever crypt or tomb or lair in which she

00:08:40.160 lurks these days and had her put her on the air to explain to the Fox viewer why the Iran war was

00:08:46.480 necessary. If you just replaced Iran with Iraq and everything she said, you would think you were

00:08:51.880 right back in 2003. Fox News, Condoleezza Rice, a bunch of bullshit about weapons of mass

00:08:56.760 destruction, its terrorist regime, et cetera, et cetera. All this. That's what I find so offensive

00:09:02.380 and insulting is they don't even bother to change the script a little bit or even the cast of

00:09:06.100 characters yeah lindsey graham was he one of the main characters for the iraq war back then i mean

00:09:11.240 you're right i i wasn't uh really coherent i was born in 98 so but i grew up during the iraq war

00:09:18.020 so i grew up in the idea of war on terror it was in all the media and i remember the the 2008

00:09:24.500 housing crisis extensively bush was uh my first president that i was aware of so i even then i

00:09:31.200 I see this, I'm getting deja vu.

00:09:33.380 It feels like I'm in the twilight zone,

00:09:35.140 repeating the, hearing the same exact talking points.

00:09:38.920 Why are they able to get away with this?

00:09:41.060 And why do you think so many people fall for it again?

00:09:43.920 Especially, and not you, you're four years older than me,

00:09:46.320 but the boomer generation who remembers it extensively.

00:09:49.560 How are they falling for the same exact thing

00:09:51.800 when we all know the Iraq war was a disaster?

00:09:56.040 Well, I think it's important to note and acknowledge

00:09:59.780 that the polling about this war pretty consistently has been the lowest and worst

00:10:08.340 polling for any new American war in decades. Generally, when the United States starts a new

00:10:13.660 war, there's this rally around the flag effect. And, you know, Iraq, for example, 75% of Americans

00:10:19.660 were in favor of the Iraq war, half the Democratic Party in the Senate voted for it, including all

00:10:24.940 of its luminaries like Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, the three presidential

00:10:29.140 nominees that would follow other than than barack obama and there was a huge amount of support for

00:10:34.420 that for the war in libya for the war in vietnam um and i have been thinking a lot about this over

00:10:40.740 the last few years and i think if you look at war propaganda if you look at it rationally it's very

00:10:47.300 easy to see right through it it's you know if you just look at it as like a person who's informed

00:10:51.300 in the world who's not very you know invested passionately in the enemies that we're supposed

00:10:57.220 to go attack like if you don't wake up in the morning worrying about tehran and the ayatollah

00:11:02.100 and mullahs and you look at it passionately you know what they're saying is bullshit

00:11:06.420 the problem is is that war propaganda is is a science it's a science that has been developed

00:11:11.420 over decades even centuries using a bunch of fields of discipline including psychology and

00:11:17.060 anthropology to understand how our primal instincts can be most potently triggered you

00:11:24.300 know we're tribal animals we evolved for thousands of years to to as tribal beings so when you say

00:11:31.260 we are being threatened by them that's just like a very visceral appeal that we have and then on

00:11:38.520 top of that there's patriotism you have a huge part of the country half the country that's

00:11:43.980 automatically geared to supporting the war because their party's president is the one who's starting

00:11:48.560 it and you know the reason the script worked for iraq and you know vietnam before that and libya

00:11:56.320 after that and syria after that is because it is a script that is designed to manipulate emotions

00:12:02.880 but i do think it's important to note that americans have lived through enough of these

00:12:06.800 that you hear the script and you don't believe it anymore and like this is you know when democrats

00:12:11.280 were trying to basically turn our entire politics into focus on russia russia gate and putin and

00:12:18.000 the kremlin it was so obvious why it failed it's because no americans ever woke up unless like you

00:12:24.640 were watching rachel maddow every day in which case you're anyway but like you know she has a

00:12:29.760 relatively small audience you're talking to two million people but outside of that people don't

00:12:33.280 wake up every day worrying about the about putin they know their problems in in their lives aren't

00:12:38.160 caused by putin and i think they feel the same way about iran they don't feel threatened by iran and

00:12:43.760 the whole weapons of mass destruction nuclear war the nuclear weapons are going to get a nuclear

00:12:47.800 weapon and attack us no one really believes anymore because if you you know lie to people

00:12:53.960 enough it's like the boy who cried wolf um it's it's going to eventually wear off and people are

00:12:59.520 going to realize that you've lied to them so many times they're not going to believe you that time

00:13:02.360 well the major difference is you could see why even half the democrats back then supported this

00:13:08.060 war or you said over half the few that didn't i remember bernie sanders if i'm not mistaken he was

00:13:13.160 against it when he was one of the only senators that voted no to go into this war, and he ended

00:13:19.060 up being vindicated. The major difference is that the pretext for something like Vietnam War,

00:13:23.540 you have the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, and for the war on terror, you have 9-11.

00:13:27.440 We don't have that pretext today. The 30,000 protesters was definitely CIA,

00:13:33.560 Mossad infiltration. You have Mike Pompeo and the first Trump admin CIA director saying that

00:13:37.380 the protest was infiltrated by CIA. But also, you don't have an attack on American soil.

00:13:43.780 And the grave mistakes that the Trump admin has made now is Marco Rubio said specifically

00:13:48.100 they did not pose a threat with a preemptively attack because they threatened our greatest

00:13:52.320 ally, Israel.

00:13:53.480 And then the second major mistake is they keep saying they can't have nukes, while Israel

00:13:56.780 very clearly has nukes, and they also have the Samson option.

00:14:00.080 I'm also surprised, although it does seem obvious that this war is not justified and

00:14:04.740 there's no real threat, so many people are still supportive, far more people than I would

00:14:09.160 have anticipated.

00:14:13.160 well first of all just um really quickly there were a good number of democrats senators and

00:14:18.680 house members who voted no it wasn't like just bernie sanders it was like half the democratic

00:14:23.880 senate caucus like the ones in really deep blue stage the really liberal left liberal ones voted

00:14:28.760 no it was like the more establishment types the ones who were very close to the u.s security state

00:14:34.120 like hillary clinton joe biden john kerry those kind of people who who voted for it um what what

00:14:41.240 find so amazing about this is i was a very careful chronicler of the rise of trump of

00:14:50.680 how maga was defined especially in 2016 when it was architected by steve bannon

00:14:56.040 and they had to demonize jeb bush and marco rubio and ted cruz and basically gop orthodoxy

00:15:02.280 not just on foreign policy but also domestic policy for being too corporatist but especially

00:15:06.600 on foreign policy and trump has given so many speeches including just last year when he was on

00:15:12.000 that trip to the persian gulf dictatorships that he loves about the evils of neoconservatism and

00:15:17.520 warmongers remember that thing he said about liz cheney that cnn hilariously distorted into oh

00:15:21.920 trump threatened to have liz cheney executed by firing squad in reality what he was saying was

00:15:26.280 there are a bunch of sick people in washington who constantly love wars because it's so abstract to

00:15:31.280 them and they don't go out fighting them ever and their families don't ever go fighting them so it's

00:15:34.660 easy for them to say so put loose cheney in in the war and we'll see how she changes her tune

00:15:39.660 and so much of maga was about no more middle east wars no new wars no more interventions if

00:15:46.680 some of the taxes are about to we'll fight a war and we'll destroy them but otherwise we're not

00:15:51.160 fighting any more of these regime change wars and to watch such a huge part of that movement that

00:15:57.400 march behind that banner for so long instantaneously switch on a dime and start reciting idiocies to

00:16:03.840 justify what their leader was doing that's the part that has been most surprising to me

00:16:08.140 so maybe not most surprising but most sickening so you said that the war on terror wasn't wasn't

00:16:14.380 really only about supporting israel what were the other benefits or what was the other justification

00:16:19.740 back then well the bush family was an oil family and that's how a lot of their wealth

00:16:32.760 uh came to be and you know when george george w bush's father george a.w bush became president

00:16:39.960 in in 1988 previously had been the director of the cia and they had very close ties to the saudis

00:16:47.580 the bush family did the united states always has always had and before there started to be a lot of

00:16:53.680 exploration in the united states discovering these massive oil reserves that we have where we don't

00:16:58.280 really even need to import in the 70s 80s and even into the 90s there was a perception that

00:17:03.480 middle east oil was absolutely crucial to the united states and the more we could dominate

00:17:07.320 that region the more we could control that region especially right in the heart of iraq

00:17:12.900 there probably was a perception on the part of some people that i that um there'd be benefits

00:17:21.520 not to the american people but to like this very elite sliver of interest um that you know are

00:17:28.260 kind of people the bush family has always isn't you like i don't think george bush particularly

00:17:32.420 cares about israel i don't think he cared about israel uh and as a matter of facts nico his

00:17:37.620 george w bush's father george j w bush had a major major problem and even a defiance of israel really

00:17:45.620 the last american president to defy israel when he and his like uh secretary of state james baker

00:17:51.700 who's like this old texan guy who you know is like a foreign policy realist same with brent

00:17:56.980 scokoff kind of like the john meersheimer school of realism they told israel and this came out of

00:18:02.980 the reagan administration too they told israel the thing that is making us hated in the middle east

00:18:07.700 because again the bush family cared about arab uh countries and their oil and they cared when they

00:18:13.780 would try and do things in the middle east and these countries would say you're you know uh

00:18:18.900 enabling u.s repression the palestinians and the stealing of land and we're not going to do business

00:18:24.500 with you and there was a lot of anti-americanism they had a lot of security risk and it was because

00:18:28.180 of israel and at the time israel was radically expanding west bank settlements which would

00:18:33.220 destroy what the u.s wanted most which was a two-state solution and the bush administration

00:18:38.180 said you have all these loan guarantees you need from us that we're giving you we're backing up all

00:18:42.660 your loans we're not going to give you those if you don't stop west bank settlement and all of

00:18:47.620 washington both parties went completely apeshit a pack and the pro-israel lobby the democrats from

00:18:53.140 south florida and all those israel loyal democrats and a bunch of republicans and then when bill

00:18:58.180 clinton ran for president in 1882 against george a.w bush the incumbent president he ran on a

00:19:05.060 campaign of accusing the bush administration of being anti-semitic and spreading hatred against

00:19:09.940 jews in israel because it was defying israel and not and that was the last time any american

00:19:14.500 president was really willing to defy them so i don't think the bush family or like george w

00:19:18.980 george w bush cares that much about israel i think he just got manipulated much the way that trump

00:19:23.940 is easily manipulated into doing things by people who do care about israel yeah the major difference

00:19:28.980 between trump and bush is that it looks like bush was just doing it for the love of the game he just

00:19:33.700 really wanted to bomb the middle east the only implication that he's affiliated with epstein is

00:19:39.620 that painting they have where bush is sitting like a little child holding the paper airplane

00:19:43.860 at the towers other than that it doesn't seem like they have any blackmail but we could make

00:19:48.500 the uh conclusive assumption and assume that trump has been extensively blackmailed on these files

00:19:54.340 bush was really he just he was passionate about he really wanted to stop the war on terror

00:19:58.420 on terror it was uh that's uh that's the the major distinction a lot of people say that this war

00:20:06.420 did not actually start you know in late february that it started in the war between russia and

00:20:12.340 ukraine and that it's really about russia and iran versus the nato allied countries with the

00:20:18.880 zionists do you think that the russia ukraine war in 2022 when it started is that the pretext

00:20:25.160 and is it is it all part of one bigger proxy war well it's a complicated question like there's

00:20:34.060 actually we're about to publish an article we haven't already about how there's this new kind

00:20:39.120 of excuse from like the Barry Weiss's and the free presses and the neocons to try and sell this

00:20:44.860 war to Americans and try and prevent them from thinking it's for Israel because a lot of people

00:20:49.860 know it is which is oh no the reason we went and did this war is because it was designed to weaken

00:20:55.240 China our biggest adversary so it was an American war an American interest and that if we could take

00:21:00.600 out Iran which is a potential Chinese ally in the Middle East it would deny them a foothold in the

00:21:06.460 middle east like so nonsensical for so many different reasons the the russia ukraine thing

00:21:12.140 is interesting because the israelis hated the soviet union and you have a lot of these like

00:21:18.360 jewish emigres from the soviet union who are now like russian jews were all up and down the american

00:21:23.600 media and if you like start looking you'll notice that those are often the most militaristic and

00:21:29.380 fanatical people of the for like destroying russia and defending ukraine like always wanting

00:21:36.580 americans to go to war there's a huge overlap between israel supporters and people who who

00:21:41.140 wanted the us to like finance or even go to war in defense of ukraine with russia so yes iran was

00:21:48.420 feeding uh russia these weapons i think you know there's a part of the world that is antagonistic

00:21:55.620 to the united states the bricks alliance you know kind of emerged in in in in in part due to this

00:22:02.820 sentiment this idea that you know america with the dollar is the reserve currency has way too

00:22:07.620 much power they use that power abusively we're going to be dominated by the americans unless we

00:22:11.300 create this alder access of power and russia and iran both very much see themselves as part of that

00:22:17.940 and that's the reason why you know like the hillary clinton types uh and and you know the lindsey

00:22:23.460 graham types absolutely despise russia because they see it as an adversary to the united states

00:22:28.580 so i'm not sure i don't think the russians are too tied up in ukraine to really you know the

00:22:34.420 russians lost their their out their only outpost in the middle east when bashar al-assad fell

00:22:39.460 and they're not really looking and they have a ton of their own oil they don't need the middle

00:22:42.900 east so i'm not sure i would have to be convinced of what that connection is and i i hear that you

00:22:48.420 you're a very big advocate of whistleblower advocacy so you've been supportive you mentioned

00:22:53.740 edward snowden a good other example is we have julian assange wikileaks to have you faced media

00:23:01.520 censorship have you because i know that you stream on rumble have you been banned everywhere did you

00:23:05.240 face the are we banned buddies you're more banned than i am sneeko um at the moment but during the

00:23:14.060 Snowden story like there wasn't really social media wasn't that central to our lives I mean

00:23:20.040 there was social media and it was it was a big deal but like you know banning on social media

00:23:24.300 really only happened in the first term of the Trump administration the first two big bans were

00:23:29.060 when Facebook banned Alex Jones and Milo Yiannopoulos and Mark Andreessen was on the Facebook

00:23:34.360 board a couple other people who went ballistic but most people thought it was necessary and it

00:23:39.660 was so easy to see that it would expand outwards so 2013 when the Snowden reporting done wasn't

00:23:43.900 really a time of social media betting but the united states was extremely threatening

00:23:47.620 i couldn't leave brazil for like a year and two months until we won the pulitzer's and went back

00:23:52.260 and we gambled that they wouldn't arrest us when going to the pulitzer ceremony because that would

00:23:56.220 not be a good look for the united states it would make it more difficult to lecture other countries

00:24:00.660 about press freedom but for a year the u.s government was threatening us overtly that if we

00:24:04.860 left laura poitras was in germany doing her film i was in brazil doing the reporting that if we left

00:24:11.000 we there's a good chance we would be arrested uh my partner who's a brazilian my husband who's

00:24:17.200 brazilian he's uh now deceased but he went to uh in the middle of the snowden reporting to pick up a

00:24:22.280 part of the archive that snowden had given us had become corrupted and laura was able to fix it

00:24:27.740 and i couldn't leave brazil to go get it so he went to go get it and he on his way back to brazil

00:24:31.940 passed through he threw airport and they detained him and for 12 hours and they kept threatening

00:24:37.960 that they were going to imprison him and prosecute him on terrorism charges because of you know the

00:24:42.200 fact they knew he was carrying the stone file a lot of those documents were british documents

00:24:45.880 and only because the british the brazilian government you know really got aggressive

00:24:49.960 did they let him go so and they also went into like the newsroom of the guardian uh like gchq

00:24:57.240 and mi5 goons and like force stood over them and forced them to destroy the computers on which the

00:25:03.880 snowden archive was kept and they kept saying like this is so stupid going around his copies

00:25:07.640 like stored all around the world it's not going to accomplish anything but they were just wanting

00:25:11.180 to show you know show this for so it was a pretty serious time like in terms of but you know social

00:25:17.480 media banning wasn't really it also like if at the time i was attached to the guardian which is a huge

00:25:22.420 you know long-standing western media outlet western newspaper that's considered mainstream

00:25:27.700 so that was also a barrier to try to ban me from things like social media so you have to be a

00:25:33.280 streamer to get banned where is the the trust in media gonna go from here right there's there's

00:25:39.060 massive there's there's been a shift and it you know ironically did start with trump i think the

00:25:44.420 fake news fake news this destroyed the credibility that mainstream media had within the people of

00:25:51.940 america and now that it's shifted to streamers and you know political talking heads and even

00:25:57.640 regular live streamers, they now control the narrative far more than the mainstream media

00:26:03.520 does. Where do you see this trust going if censorship has become so rampant and if whistleblowers

00:26:09.500 have, you know, they have been at the forefront of releasing crucial information? How does a

00:26:16.320 country like America sustain a proper relationship between the media and the people without sort of

00:26:22.380 any sense of real trust i think it's worth taking a step back and like realizing that

00:26:30.560 this collapse and trust and faith in media institutions was a gradual enduring long-term

00:26:38.800 process if you know it's hard to overstate what a critical role the media played i don't mean fox

00:26:45.520 news i mean like the lib the mainstream liberal outlets like the new york times the atlantic the

00:26:49.600 new yorker the the networks the cable networks all of them were in favor of the iraq war all of them

00:26:55.520 all of them were in favor of these other words that constituted the war on terror after 9 11

00:27:00.000 people were petrified to dissent from the government because they were called uh unpatriotic

00:27:04.960 or treasonous or pro-terrorists you know you're on the other side this is a like at the time there

00:27:10.000 were no shows like this there were no you know big platforms you couldn't have a show you couldn't

00:27:14.880 You'd have a studio like you and I have without spending enormous amounts of money.

00:27:19.320 That technology wasn't available.

00:27:20.620 So they still were pretty dominant.

00:27:22.320 But when you lie a country into a war the way the New York Times did and then had to

00:27:25.760 apologize and all the other media outlets are on board and people realize they've been

00:27:28.780 deceived, not about an ancillary, a small issue, like not a small factual error, but

00:27:33.240 a disastrous war.

00:27:35.000 Obviously, that's going to destroy trust and faith.

00:27:37.280 And then you five years later have the 2008 financial crisis, which just caused a complete

00:27:42.440 erosion of trust and faith in institutions of authority in general which also included the media

00:27:47.320 and then by the trump time trump gets there and everything's fake news fake news fake news

00:27:51.400 and you see russiagate which dominated our our politics for three years that ever the new york

00:27:57.000 times the washington most give themselves pulitzers for it even though the whole thing

00:28:00.520 was a scam and a fraud cooked up in the cia the lies of covid and on and on at this point

00:28:06.680 you know only the dumbest among us trust like corporate media you you can't do that if you have

00:28:14.120 like any active brain cells and so that gave rise to this whole independent media sphere precisely

00:28:20.600 because nobody trusted those outlets any longer and that's why they're trying so hard to censor

00:28:25.720 the internet why you're banned why anybody who poses a threat or any technology that poses a

00:28:30.360 threat to power centers they're always going to try and either commandeer or destroy and you saw

00:28:35.480 that especially after brexit and and trump's win in 2016 which were like these dual traumas to the

00:28:41.960 psyche of western liberals and they started believing we can't allow people to speak freely

00:28:46.840 anymore we can't allow them to disseminate information in the age of the internet we have

00:28:49.960 to control it and that's when you saw this like billionaire funded disinformation industry that

00:28:54.360 was concocted out of nothing and all these laws now that are in the eu and the uk and canada and

00:29:00.360 Australia, Brazil, all over the world to empower the government to control media.

00:29:06.120 But it's just, it's too big.

00:29:07.360 It's too unwieldy.

00:29:08.300 The cat is out of the bag, kind of like the way that people hate Israel and know that

00:29:12.200 Israel drags us into wars.

00:29:14.300 You know, you see Larry Ellison buying up every media outlet he can, including TikTok

00:29:18.520 and the hope of reversing that.

00:29:20.100 That's never going to be reversed, nor is the fact that people trust those of us who

00:29:25.240 are independent and don't work for those corporate outlets far more than they do corporate

00:29:29.200 outlets.

00:29:29.440 Now, it's not great. You need investigative journalism. You need big teams sometimes of reporters and lawyers.

00:29:35.600 And, you know, I couldn't have done the Snowden reporting had it just been me sitting here.

00:29:38.780 I needed the Guardian and the resources that came with it. I worked with a bunch of other big media outlets throughout the West.

00:29:43.260 So you need that. You want those media outlets to do good journalism.

00:29:47.440 The problem is that they don't and they can't like they're they're constituted institutionally not to.

00:29:53.360 What separates somebody like Tucker Carlson?

00:29:55.720 So you mentioned the neocon war hawks, and it wasn't just strictly Zionists that were supportive of the Iraq War. Tucker Carlson is a great example, or probably the best example, of somebody who was a figurehead in mainstream media who left and now is an independent journalist similar to you.

00:30:11.800 what is the reason that somebody like him is able to step away analyze his mistakes and you know i

00:30:19.040 give him a lot of props he deserves a lot of respect for admitting that the iraq war is a

00:30:24.240 disaster and he doesn't want it to be repeated why don't we see more people like tucker carlson

00:30:28.360 and why is he an outlier in this war well he doesn't just say the iraq war was a problem he

00:30:36.180 feels genuine regret and shame about the role he played in in supporting not just that war but

00:30:42.560 other words as well you know i talk i know tucker very well um because you know for the first like

00:30:47.760 10 15 years of my journalism career i was very much associated with the left not because i

00:30:52.580 proclaimed myself to be on the left but just because you know things like opposing the war

00:30:55.480 on terror bush and cheney then opposing obama and his war on terror and droning just had a perception

00:31:01.100 of being on the left and then 2016 comes and it's like russia gate and i thought a lot of the left

00:31:05.840 wing critics of trump were like completely you know deranged and and and misreading trump and

00:31:12.060 his movement and so i started going on tucker show a lot and that led to you know mean tucker

00:31:17.180 mean tucker talking and it was funny because he once gave an interview to chris cuomo i think it

00:31:21.940 was like a year and a half ago and my name came up and he said nobody hated me more nobody wrote

00:31:27.300 meaner things about me than glenn greenwald and it's true like for the you know while he was there

00:31:31.760 on cnn msnbc fox selling all these wars selling the war on terror i absolutely despised him he

00:31:36.640 like was the embodiment of everything i hated so i know from you know not just talking to him in

00:31:41.280 front of a camera but off camera that his transformation is very genuine it began before

00:31:45.840 he left fox which is why it was on so much like i would say the real dissidence began with the

00:31:50.800 ukraine war when the republican party the mainstream of it was absolutely in favor of

00:31:54.800 biden's policy of funding and arming the war and he was on every night you know ranting and raving

00:31:59.600 against the the evils of that policy so much so that when he did get fired a bunch of republicans

00:32:04.980 in the senate congress ran to like axios and political politico but only like anonymously

00:32:09.420 like the cowards they are to say oh we're so happy tucker got fired it'll make our jobs much easier

00:32:13.780 but getting but leaving fox and this happened to me you know i i left these mainstream media outlets

00:32:18.980 or you know these these more like established media outlets and i didn't realize until i left

00:32:24.020 how constrained i was by them like you think you're free in a lot of ways but only in retrospect

00:32:29.120 you realize even just psychologically knowing that you're attached to them it'll constrain what you

00:32:33.580 say tucker for sure was so liberated when he got fired from fox and i remember he's saying like i

00:32:40.220 think he's done on the show too like the one thing i'm never going to do for the rest of my life is

00:32:44.100 like i don't care what the consequences are i don't care who likes it who i alienate i'm just

00:32:49.860 never lying again it's like corrosive to my soul like to my spirit my soul just my like being

00:32:55.460 on earth. And I think he's extremely genuine about it and really means it. And once he was

00:33:00.520 able to do that, like when he was at Fox and even before his whole career, he barely ever mentioned

00:33:04.840 Israel. It was like the one thing he was scared to talk about, like a lot of people. And then

00:33:10.240 being able to get out of Fox and seeing, you know, everything we did after October 7th for Israel,

00:33:16.060 serving Israel, draining our resources for Israel, going to war for Israel, you know,

00:33:20.900 the scales fell off his eyes and he had no more reason not to see what was in front of him. And

00:33:25.280 and i give him a huge credit because i like it's not everyone can say oh i made a mistake in

00:33:29.760 supporting the iraq war and just like it's almost like people who were for it and then had to say

00:33:36.720 they made an error once it was obvious that the thing was like a huge lie and and extremely

00:33:41.440 destructive it's almost like those people are the ones who are more respected than the people who

00:33:46.160 are right about it from the beginning who were opposed to it from the beginning there's a lot

00:33:50.000 of people who say that i made a mistake tucker's maybe the only person or certainly one of the only

00:33:53.840 people i know who genuinely feels personally ashamed about it and wants to repent for it and

00:34:01.500 like make up for it by never falling into those traps again who deserves the most credit for

00:34:07.080 opening or kicking down the last piece of the overton window to let people talk about israel

00:34:13.440 you know i've been speaking about this for four years and you know in the beginning it was

00:34:19.820 extremely taboo you would uh accusations of being an anti-semi were a lot more rampant than they are

00:34:25.180 today is somebody like nick fuentes responsible for people to speak about israel publicly

00:34:34.540 yeah i mean for the younger generation for people who are younger who are primarily

00:34:39.660 nick's audience for sure he's he's one of the people who just refused i mean because

00:34:45.340 even when people were more willing to do it nick was like you know in front in terms of like what

00:34:52.780 could be said the way you say it just how much you confront it and it was interesting you said

00:34:59.100 anti-semitism accusations aren't quite as common out it's not really true i've been you know i've

00:35:03.180 been like talking about israel for a long time as i meant we talked about and you know you you always

00:35:07.500 got called now semit i'm jewish and even though that doesn't matter at all that in in some ways

00:35:12.460 like you you get it more intensively because they feel so betrayed but it's not that there's less of

00:35:17.820 it now there might even been more of it now because the israeli is the israel lobby finally for the

00:35:22.700 first time sees that they're sinking and the only thing they know how to do is lash out and the the

00:35:28.540 the weapon of panic is to call anti-semitism is to call you an anti-semite uh the difference is

00:35:34.140 nobody gives a and it reminds me of a lot of what like the left did to racism accusations and like

00:35:39.260 like misogyny accusations and trans and homophobia you you those things are real like you want people

00:35:44.980 who are like overtly racist to have some i don't know about stigma but like you want that word to

00:35:50.020 mean something and by just overusing it against any one of their enemies trying to deter reputations

00:35:54.340 the the left drained all of that drained it all of their meaning like if everyone's a racist and

00:35:57.880 misogynist no one is no one really gives a shit anymore yeah same exact thing same exact thing

00:36:03.640 all the people who mock the left for doing that all those years are are doing the exact same thing

00:36:08.520 but just with they only care about this one group and they only use anti-semitism it just no i mean

00:36:14.360 i don't feel right i couldn't care less when i get called that and i see like even piers morgan this

00:36:20.440 week some like british jewish zionist who's i think he's like worked for the telegraph like a

00:36:25.560 big mainstream uh outlet called tuck uh called piers morgan anti-semitic or feeding anti-semitism

00:36:31.640 he was like all of you you just call anyone you who disagreed with you anti-semite nobody in

00:36:37.000 mainstream media would have even dared say that even three years ago or five years ago it's such

00:36:41.560 a radically improved climate yeah that's a better way of describing it it's like that accusation

00:36:46.760 will still be thrown around i think ted cruz is saying like the the islamist nazis in iran it's

00:36:52.760 just a word it's so ridiculous now netanyahu's saying actually no hitler didn't want to exterminate

00:36:57.800 the jews it was the muslims because of the havar agreement not hitler wanted to bring them into

00:37:03.400 israel and it's actually the muslims that wanted the final solution i'm paraphrasing a bit but what

00:37:08.840 is uh separating somebody like you you're probably incentivized in some sense to support israel

00:37:17.240 because you're jewish but you have people like you and norman ficklstein who see what's going on

00:37:23.000 and you probably get called a traitor quite a bit and say that you your self-hatred is rampant in

00:37:29.080 this what is your reason to speak out against your own people well it's like you know i'll give you

00:37:38.520 an analogy like as an american i am more interested in and and focus more on the evil acts of my own

00:37:46.840 government rather than like say you know peru or indonesia you know if like there's major corruption

00:37:52.680 scandal in indonesia i'm not going to talk about it but i will a lot if it's done by my own

00:37:57.720 government in my own country in part because i can do something about it i don't have standing

00:38:01.080 in indonesia or in iran to talk to condemn the government and there'll be you know a lot of

00:38:05.480 people a lot of times people say why didn't you condemn if you're so worried about iranians with

00:38:09.800 all these bombs in this war why don't you condemn when they're why don't you condemn their government

00:38:13.720 when they do bad things i don't i don't speak persian or farsi i don't have a platform in iran

00:38:19.480 i can't affect anything in iran like for me to criticize iran or other countries other than what

00:38:24.440 the united states supports it'd be like you know it's the moral equivalent of like condemning some

00:38:28.520 17th century monarch for being repressive like i can do it it's just gonna have zero effects i'm

00:38:33.960 gonna spend my energy on where i can change things um and i think you know that because that that

00:38:41.400 tends to be my focus um then you know at this and in part i do that's my focus because i'm american

00:38:49.560 and it's being done in my name same thing with being jewish and and seeing not just the evils

00:38:54.840 of israel but the influence of uh israel loyalists who are jewish in the united states and what

00:38:59.980 they're doing to americans into the united states i think you know i've had norman on my show a lot

00:39:05.500 i know him pretty well over the years um but i don't want to speak for him but i do think what

00:39:10.340 happens is you know if you grow up in a jewish subculture like a jewish uh like enclave or

00:39:17.780 whatever you know all my family's jewish i went to summer camp for jews i like didn't really live

00:39:21.900 in a jewish neighborhood i wasn't at all religious i wasn't bar mitzvah but norman was like norman

00:39:26.200 grew up with very intensively you know holocaust survivors is like the real ones not like oh my

00:39:32.300 i heard once that my fourth cousin you know died in the holly to use next term and then like

00:39:38.260 suddenly like ah my family was killed i'm a survivor no like his parents were actually in

00:39:43.280 camps and they got out and they talked about it a lot it was obviously a big part of their identity

00:39:46.840 they you know the truth of like what people who grew up jewish are told about how their main

00:39:52.620 loyalty is to israel how that is supposed to be the thing to which they remain most faithful you

00:39:59.520 know here in brazil it's like the jewish community is very very small like 100 maybe 80 000 people

00:40:05.280 it's a country of like 250 million a little bit smaller than the united states but you know it's

00:40:10.080 very concentrated in like rio janeiro sao paulo the cities and almost all of them are fanatically

00:40:15.620 fanatically pro-israel um and they have a lot of money and they have a lot of influence and a lot

00:40:20.740 of power and you know i know that if you're jewish that's what you're taught and i think people who

00:40:25.940 don't grow up that that way don't have as much confidence in understanding the dynamic so i think

00:40:31.680 it's both of those things you can see it more clearly and you feel motivated to do it because

00:40:36.380 it's in your name i've always wanted to know this there's a weird connection that brazil has to

00:40:42.660 israel i don't know if you know the brazilian fighter charles olivera but is there like he's

00:40:47.940 there holding the the star of david what so what sort of uh zionist influence is there in brazil

00:40:54.720 because that you see this brazilian dude who doesn't speak a lick of english or definitely

00:40:58.520 hebrew and he's there repping you know pretty esoteric things about judaism how did that happen

00:41:06.640 there's a big drug gang big drug gang you know like a lot a lot of like brazilian cities are

00:41:13.660 controlled not by the government or the police but by the drug gangs or religious like heavily

00:41:18.400 armed and they renamed this huge sprawling complex of favelas you know slums uh the complex of israel

00:41:28.160 and these uh drug gangs who that are basically armies they wear idf uniforms and when they build

00:41:37.900 pools they have a gigantic star of david in the middle and then that might just be like iconography

00:41:43.300 but there's more to it which i'll get to in a second but like the brazilian right like the

00:41:47.120 bolsonaro movement you know the right wing movement in brazil if you go to a bolsonaro rally

00:41:52.640 which i have many times um you'll see more israeli flags than than than uh than brazilian

00:42:00.080 flags and when jair bolsonaro was elected uh president of brazil in in in 2018 the next day

00:42:07.920 like you're elected president of your country and he came from nowhere it was super like surprising

00:42:12.720 the next day he leaves brazil to fly to to israel in part to be uh rebaptized in the jordan river

00:42:19.920 but also to meet with Israeli security officials. The major reason is religious. You have all these

00:42:25.640 evangelicals in the United States. That's become a big part of why the Republican Party is so

00:42:30.000 faithful to Israel because they invented this manipulative doctrine that if you believe in

00:42:35.200 the Bible, you heard Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz talking about this, even though Ted Cruz didn't

00:42:39.060 know it was in Genesis, but that's what he absorbed, that it means that you have to be

00:42:43.160 loyal to Israel. Brazil has a gigantic evangelical population, newly evangelical. They used to be

00:42:48.680 catholic it's like 25 percent of the country is evangelical and for whatever reasons if you're

00:42:54.760 evangelical and in brazil central to your religious identity is that you have to love not israel the

00:43:00.720 the biblical israelites or or israel like the current modern day state of israel and its

00:43:05.840 government it's it's such an amazingly effective propaganda campaign what happened in america too

00:43:11.140 where you see ted cruz saying god must bless those that bless the state of israel and then i was on

00:43:15.720 stage after trump saying in the bible it says god blesses those who bless the state of israel that

00:43:20.220 was purchased in 1948 by the rothschilds and they've definitely manipulated christianity to

00:43:26.900 get them to support i mean obviously not all christians catholics and orthodox have you know

00:43:30.860 pretty much stayed immune to that but this sort of infiltration has went into so many aspects of

00:43:36.940 religion even the gangster disciples in chicago is probably similar to that same influence that you

00:43:42.200 you see in brazil but you know you're you've done a very well-respected investigative journalist for

00:43:49.360 many years what can you tell us is the the most mind-blowing thing you've read about this war

00:43:56.800 something that the masses will have not seen yet and don't seem to comprehend

00:44:02.220 about the iran war about the new iran war yeah it could be about the iran war the iraq war

00:44:08.220 what piece of information have you found that the the masses don't seem to understand yet

00:44:17.260 well i mean i'll just say about about this war two things i am not these are not necessarily

00:44:26.440 mind-blowing maybe you've heard of them you've you've know them but like one of the main problems

00:44:31.080 the united states has despite all this triumphalist rhetoric about how we spend you know a billion

00:44:35.040 dollars a year on our military and the strongest biggest military in the world is that so much of

00:44:39.200 our military is constructed for wars that are no longer fought you know these like gigantic weapon

00:44:44.160 systems like you see with the war between russia and ukraine it's being dominated by these very

00:44:49.360 cheap drones and one of the main reasons why the war the 12-day war with israel and iran last year

00:44:56.480 had to end it was ended by trump and and and then israel was because we were running out of uh

00:45:02.720 anti-missile uh systems launchers and and missiles because we depleted them all giving somebody to

00:45:08.480 ukraine giving them to using them in yemen when we were bombing yemen and using them there but

00:45:13.360 mostly using them to defend israel and give to israel over the last five six years you know

00:45:17.280 every time israel is in any kind of tension the united states we deploy our military there you

00:45:21.440 know it's not just money and arms like we go and we deploy our military there to protect them we

00:45:25.440 use these systems and and we're left with none and not just we but like the persian gulf states are

00:45:30.560 basically out of them and it's amazing that we spend you know more money on our military every

00:45:37.120 year than the next like 16 states 16 countries combined and yet we basically don't have the

00:45:42.640 equipment and munitions to to fight these wars neither is israel and the other thing is like

00:45:47.200 israel got pounded so hard last year as part of that war but they centered their media how how

00:45:53.280 how much are you hearing about the number of israeli dead or wounded or uh how many buildings

00:45:58.000 are being caught virtually none because there's censorship heavy censorship in in israel the other

00:46:02.960 thing i'll say is like this nuclear doctrine um you know i've talked to like people at the pentagon

00:46:08.960 i guess i'll just say um you know about the possibility of using you know a nuclear weapon

00:46:15.760 which i do think uh is by far the biggest concern i have about this this war in part because the

00:46:22.480 the Israelis are itching to use one against Iran and they have been making all kinds of

00:46:27.820 references to it. And Trump has started to make references to it as well. And a lot of people in

00:46:34.180 the Pentagon think that there's going to be a big issue if that emerges about whether or not the

00:46:40.260 chain of command would actually honor those orders. And I don't think the risk is very high

00:46:45.200 now. But I think that if the Iranians do something that causes a lot of deaths to Americans or

00:46:53.540 Israelis, you know, sink a ship or blow up a base where there's a bunch of Americans or hit something

00:46:59.580 in Israel that causes serious damage, or if they perceive that the Iranians are retrieving their

00:47:06.000 enriched uranium from those sites that were supposedly, quote, completely and totally

00:47:09.260 obliterated a lot of people like very knowledgeable very in the in the know do you have a real fear

00:47:15.900 that trump and or netanyahu would use a nuclear weapon of course you already know about the

00:47:20.380 doctrines that the israelis have including the samson option that you mentioned just like a

00:47:24.780 month ago netanyahu threatened western countries and said you better start adopting laws censorship

00:47:30.220 laws and the like to protect jews if you know what's good for you like you better heed our

00:47:33.980 warning this is six six stuff and like it's so amazing that we hear that the iranians are these

00:47:40.780 like apocalyptic religious end of the world doomsday fanatics who want to get a nuclear

00:47:47.260 weapon when that is the exact an only way to describe the israeli government but actually

00:47:51.900 has a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons to say nothing about all kinds of intelligence and

00:47:56.060 compromise and blackmail on a lot of people every accusation is a confession with these people i

00:48:02.700 I mean, not just Israel, but you see these neocon evangelical Christian war hawks.

00:48:08.000 They're representatives of Congress.

00:48:09.720 They're saying, it's time to get real biblical with this.

00:48:12.960 It's like, you guys are just calling people of Iran religious fanatics, and you're making this war a biblical war.

00:48:17.780 Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, has all these Templar tattoos and is in Israel saying that, or no, in America saying, hey, we're here to serve you and serve your greatest interests.

00:48:28.740 years ago videos are resurfacing where he's talking about rebuilding the third temple

00:48:32.640 as a christian making this a crusade even though the jews own jerusalem and the crusades were about

00:48:37.700 the christians reclaiming jerusalem so it's so backwards but you know so many people still fall

00:48:44.600 for it where do you think this war is going to go we're about maybe nine days in so if you can

00:48:52.880 compare this to the war on terror which in a lot of ways it is an extension of the war on terror

00:48:57.300 how do you think this goes can we expect a 10-year conflict or is it going to be another

00:49:02.120 venezuela regime change where you know they assassinated khameini the ayatollah they maybe

00:49:08.300 expected to be similar to the kidnapping of maduro are we going to be in and out or can we expect this

00:49:12.780 to to last into different administrations i think it all depends on trump's psyche like at any given

00:49:18.380 moment first of all the idea that you're going to use the venezuela model for iran one of the

00:49:23.820 reasons why these were fail these words fail is because our government is filled with people who

00:49:28.620 are planning to manipulate and design the future of countries they don't even begin to understand

00:49:33.600 these are like thousands of thousand year old civilizations the Persian civilization is

00:49:39.000 unbelievably complex and proud and developed and complicated and you know they are very very

00:49:48.400 devoted to defending their civilization way more than americans are and um the idea that you're

00:49:54.800 just going to go in and kill one leader and the whole thing's going to collapse because there's

00:49:58.180 all these iranians who hate their government so much and they're going to welcome but this is like

00:50:01.440 slop for idiots um you know this is the the iraqis are going to welcome us as liberators like thank

00:50:06.920 you for bombing our cities and blowing up our schools and you know like making generations of

00:50:12.760 people in fallujah have cancer with whatever weird chemicals you used in fallujah to finally

00:50:18.000 be able to win that battle that you were losing you know this is all this i hope this doesn't

00:50:22.620 even merit any conversation um so you know i think trump is always like almost like schizophrenic

00:50:31.800 like he always has two instincts one good one one bad one and he definitely knows and he's talked

00:50:38.640 about and he doesn't just say this from the camera he says off the camera that he knows that the

00:50:43.400 thing that will destroy his presidency and legacy is getting dragged into a middle east war you

00:50:47.900 You know, when they they pressured him, he went throughout 2024 in the campaign when

00:50:51.740 Biden was bombing Yemen, Trump was very critical, saying it was stupid.

00:50:54.760 It was, you know, reckless.

00:50:56.020 It was destructive.

00:50:56.720 And then Trump gets into office.

00:50:58.920 And within like two weeks, he he restarts and even escalates Biden's bombing campaign.

00:51:04.100 But then after a month, he realized he was being lied to.

00:51:07.760 The Houthis were not going to be destroyed.

00:51:09.500 They weren't going to be driven underground.

00:51:10.880 You weren't going to, you know, decapitate them or degrade their their fighting facilities

00:51:15.620 because they're very adapted at dispersing and putting it underground.

00:51:19.600 And so we ordered it stopped.

00:51:20.640 Those are like the two sides of Trump.

00:51:22.440 Same in Venezuela.

00:51:23.600 You know, all those idiots thought that Trump was going to go in and just, you know, put

00:51:26.760 Maria Machada in and this whole like crew of Venezuelan, you know, capitalists in opposition.

00:51:31.680 And he just took out Maduro and then got right out.

00:51:34.500 And I think that's what they exploited him most with is saying like, hey, you had this

00:51:38.900 great, incredible war, you know, victory.

00:51:42.040 And that's all you have to do in Iran.

00:51:43.960 on the thing is this is a you know the the the islamic revolution is 47 years old and that means

00:51:53.460 you have like two or three generations of people who have been you know born into a world where

00:51:57.840 that's all they know and they are religious and they understand what the shah was and they

00:52:02.200 understand how the shah came and what he did to muslims and even if they dislike their government

00:52:07.300 hate their government resent their government it doesn't mean that they're going to want the

00:52:11.220 israelis of all people and the americans coming in and bombing the out of them and manipulating

00:52:15.940 their country and putting another so i do believe they will fight they've been preparing this for a

00:52:20.820 long time and they have you don't need huge you know militaries of like big ballistic missiles

00:52:26.820 and warships like those shitty drones can do so much damage now and it's impossible to defend

00:52:32.020 against you know all these Persian Gulf states and Israel and the United States are running out

00:52:35.540 of anti-missile capabilities what's going to happen then these countries are going to be sitting ducks

00:52:39.940 they know how to attack people's oil facilities they know how to attack american embassies

00:52:44.180 american bases they've already proven that so part of trump is trying to get out now you know

00:52:49.220 like today he said uh we're basically done we've achieved all our aims we could just send it now

00:52:55.220 and it would be one of the biggest victories in history we're not going to do that and that's why

00:52:58.740 the oil markets and the stock market rebounded because they really believed him but then on the

00:53:02.420 other hand he's saying i'll never accept anything that unconditional surrender so it's very hard to

00:53:07.140 predict where it's going to go because it all depends on who's most successfully manipulates

00:53:12.340 trump last i do think i could see in two days trump saying they have no navy they have no air

00:53:18.500 force they have no telecommunications they have no more missiles left we destroyed their nuclear

00:53:22.340 facilities we won goodbye and maybe let the israelis continue or stop them who knows

00:53:27.780 but the rhetoric that trump has issued about unconditional surrender which is obviously from

00:53:32.740 1945 when harry truman dropped two bombs on japan and demanded unconditional surrender as as as uh

00:53:39.300 the only way to stop they put that in his head too that you know and like 80 year old men like trump

00:53:45.140 don't think much about the world in which they live because they're not gonna be living in it

00:53:47.940 all that much longer they think about their their legacy and i want to be like napoleon i want to

00:53:51.700 be remembered like you know churchill and and they're all in there like pulling those strings

00:53:57.860 and pressing those buttons yeah we're gen z we need to have the future we are of this world like

00:54:03.760 as as a couple zoomers over here it's like they trump even in a speech today he was saying uh

00:54:09.360 no one respects us more than the whole world right now is talking about how much he's respected about

00:54:15.160 who's the leader that had the balls to do this it's like these boomers just need to they're

00:54:20.320 really not going to stop until they die off they've dominated the voting bloc for multiple

00:54:24.600 generations they are like four of the last five presidents are these boomers they've hoarded the

00:54:29.620 wealth and all they do they tell us zoomers to pull ourselves pull ourselves up by our bootstraps

00:54:34.240 and even though i i'm sure you know this glenn the average zoomer in our generation we can't even

00:54:39.100 at 30 years old it's like 10 percent of zoomers are able to have a home and be married at 30 for

00:54:46.480 the boomers it was uh it was always like 60 average debt in gen z is 94 000 and the people

00:54:52.760 that are controlling the future of the world are these completely insane warmongering legacy focused

00:55:00.940 you know evil people and i i really don't see it stopping until they actually just die off die off

00:55:08.740 yeah yeah but i you know i just i'm interested like you i know you have a predominantly young

00:55:13.760 audience like your age my age this kind of thing so you talk to a lot of young people right and

00:55:18.420 have you ever heard any of them at any point say look i'm really worried not about the fact that

00:55:26.460 you know i'll probably not have a house until i'm 30 i can't marry i can't start a family i don't

00:55:30.840 have you know income for anything i don't have any savings but instead say you know what i'm

00:55:35.240 really worried about the the uh military government or the religious government in

00:55:41.400 iran i'm really staying up at night worrying about that like i don't think any i bet the answer is

00:55:45.680 zero unless you like run into some you know like israeli somewhere like in the streets of new york

00:55:51.160 or something but other than that i doubt anyone's saying that and that's why there's this gigantic

00:55:56.080 mismatch between the war propaganda and how people are reacting to it yeah that's a great point and

00:56:00.580 it's because uh the boomers dominate the voting block and there there's a lack of empathy with

00:56:05.880 the future generation so somebody like mom donnie he's the mayor of my city you know i'm not a

00:56:10.920 socialist myself i don't call myself left right i get called a communist by matt walsh i call it

00:56:14.920 get called a Nazi by Piers Morgan, but I'm just somebody who thinks that it's right and wrong,

00:56:18.980 not right and left. You don't see anybody in Gen Z who's worried about the imminent,

00:56:23.140 that Iran is threatening our greatest ally. We're like, what? We can't even buy groceries and I

00:56:27.840 can't afford rent and AI is taking our jobs. How do you expect me to care about Shia Muslims

00:56:32.560 halfway across the world? It's completely ridiculous. And the only people you're right,

00:56:37.660 it's a hardcore Zionist or people that are getting paid by the Trump movement,

00:56:41.540 people that are in that space that that program so many people and so i mean if uh if a draft

00:56:47.660 comes i hope everybody just shows them how much down syndrome they have from the vaccines they

00:56:54.240 force them to take i can't imagine people you know like the 60s were such a different time when

00:57:00.920 people went and enlisted and answered the call of the draft for vietnam even though arguably that

00:57:06.760 was the most senseless war the united states ever fought and and certainly one of the most evil ones

00:57:10.580 um you know it was coming out of like the cold war the 1950s united states became dominant and

00:57:17.000 there was like this real moral narrative of the godless communists versus christians and

00:57:21.680 capitalism and freedom like it was at least a convincing fairy tale like a narrative that let

00:57:26.900 people say no i have something to defend here that's worth giving up my life for what is that

00:57:32.800 now like in fact nobody who's alive has ever seen a terrorist attack on american soil that came from

00:57:40.540 iranians terrorists or from shia terrorists nobody there are none and you know a lot of this is

00:57:46.980 conflating people don't understand the difference between shia and sunni and the fact that you know

00:57:50.180 al-qaeda was sunni if you believe they did 9-11 and that like a lot of the terrorist attacks came

00:57:54.960 from there um but it's i don't think that people are willing to risk their lives for not just a

00:58:01.920 system but for a group of elites whom they despise whereas in the 1960s people still had like a

00:58:08.560 genuine faith in the greatness of america and those people who led it because they were living

00:58:12.100 in a great time there was wealth abundance the country was unified there was some sort of belief

00:58:16.220 we've never had more division in this country ever probably maybe the civil war but even then

00:58:22.740 it's an ideological difference there's hardly any nationalism there there's a there's a lot of

00:58:28.440 hopelessness about the future but you know my i'm not trying to spread that out there i'm trying my

00:58:33.120 best to provide some of that i do want to ask you i remember hearing about the drone papers

00:58:37.760 but i haven't done extensive research on that can you explain what was revealed in the drone papers

00:58:44.500 sure uh that was so when i was doing this note and reporting uh we myself and laura poitras and

00:58:52.680 also another investigative journalist who's now at drop site news jeremy scahill we created the

00:58:56.460 intercept together it was funded by pierre midiar who's the billionaire founder of ebay and other

00:59:02.280 things um but he stayed out of our affairs and and we created it to be like an adversary to the

00:59:07.260 security state we got a lot of leaks one of which there was the drone papers jeremy was the primary

00:59:12.220 uh journalist the reporter on that and this is about obama's drone program and there are a lot

00:59:18.140 of different revelations but the the main one like the one that people remember the big important one

00:59:23.820 that defines what obama was doing was that basically for every every time we drone somebody

00:59:30.620 every time we killed a group of people the media outlets because they loved obama and john brennan

00:59:36.380 him would leak it you know when he was running the cia or the whole u.s security state they would

00:59:40.000 say oh we killed 16 militants or terrorists and you would see in reuters u.s drone about you know

00:59:44.520 killed 16 militants the drone papers revealed that between 90 and 92 percent of the people that the

00:59:50.980 united states targeted and killed we have no idea who they are like we don't know anything about

00:59:55.840 them we don't know their names there might have been like one person in a group of 30 who we

01:00:00.300 decided we were going to uh target and it showed what lies the the government was telling about

01:00:07.980 their own drone program but also just how you know morally degraded it was um and that is the thing

01:00:17.440 like the one lesson that you draw from every time the u.s goes and kills people starts wars is that

01:00:21.880 most of what you hear from them is is a lie and that was the main reason why the drone papers

01:00:26.180 were leaked because the truth of what was revealed in them was so antithetical to what

01:00:31.320 the Obama administration and their media allies were telling us about those drone programs.

01:00:37.060 And comparing the NSA leaks, especially with Edward Snowden, that was around 2011, 2012?

01:00:45.220 2013.

01:00:46.220 13.

01:00:46.680 What could we expect from the AI surveillance state?

01:00:49.600 So this is the pretext, and I think that there's a fair comparison there.

01:00:52.900 the NSA started to get a lot of power by and part because of the war on terror so they said that

01:00:59.660 they needed to instill the patriot act and spy on people and then people found out that the NSA

01:01:05.620 was spying on everybody what can we expect now because this this has been proven from the AI

01:01:11.760 surveillance state that Peter Thiel and others tech billionaires the PayPal mafia that these

01:01:16.500 people are ushering in? Well, you know, I remember so vividly one of the first things that, you know,

01:01:24.920 in the first part of the sudden reporting, what really ultimately enabled this mass security

01:01:30.100 state is the fact that everything is now digitalized. The internet was presented and did

01:01:35.500 have the potential to be this unprecedented tool of liberation. And like at the beginning of the

01:01:40.200 internet, you know, everything that was anonymous, nothing could be traced to us. You could go on,

01:01:44.100 assume any identity say anything do anything and the government quickly got a hold of that and made

01:01:49.140 it the but instead the being this technology of liberation this technology of unprecedented

01:01:55.300 surveillance and coercion and even information control that's still the battle is it going to be

01:01:59.620 liberatory in terms of information flow or is it going to be the centralized uh tool of propaganda

01:02:05.540 more more potent than any anything ever and that's what really enabled the digital surveillance

01:02:10.580 state exposed by snowden and you know back then even though ai wasn't really a concept one of the

01:02:16.740 stories that jeremy and i did actually when we combined the snowden papers with the drone papers

01:02:21.460 and with sources that he had about the drone program was this was the incipient stage where

01:02:26.540 the united states the nsa were using a kind of ai like a sort of algorithmic formula for determining

01:02:33.620 who should be targeted with death by drone and and and who like didn't make the cut and they would

01:02:38.560 assign numerical values to people based on an analysis of their metadata. Who were you speaking

01:02:42.940 to? You know, people had, if they were speaking, if you spoke to enough people who were suspected

01:02:47.620 of being a terrorist, your point value would go up until you actually reached a number where you

01:02:52.440 could then be a legitimate target. It was really almost automated, like very little human supervision.

01:02:57.880 And, you know, a lot of people like Al Jazeera journalists or people in government, you know,

01:03:02.600 were meeting with the Taliban or meeting with the Pakistani Taliban because that was their job.

01:03:06.440 and they'd have these huge scores and be eligible for for uh for for death by drone and this you're

01:03:13.240 seeing now with like anthropic that was the big conflict they just had with the defense department

01:03:16.900 was they wanted to make sure that their ai like this cod software and you know anthropic has some

01:03:22.480 of the most advanced ai machinery they're actually helping guide through ai where the missiles go

01:03:30.500 including you know the one that landed uh and exploded that that school of 150 school girls

01:03:36.220 who died in iran that was almost certainly that target was almost certainly ai chosen

01:03:40.060 as a lot of them are and one of the things anthropic wanted was to make sure that ai not

01:03:46.600 be used either for targeting uh people or places in war zones without human supervision basically

01:03:54.300 turning the decisions over to artificial intelligence quickly interrupt or using it

01:03:58.420 how how sorry to interrupt you how was this a how did ai target a school

01:04:04.140 well the argument i think the argument that they're now trying to make is that the school

01:04:11.580 was next to a uh military base you know in the united states you have military bases and then

01:04:17.120 you have schools like in the bases or right next to the bases because the people who live on the

01:04:21.340 bases have to take their children to school same with the ron so i think their argument was they

01:04:25.500 picked out a target and then chose a weapon for the military base that ended up exploding the

01:04:30.440 school full of children. And that the AI picked the wrong weapon, like too powerful of a weapon

01:04:37.120 to blow up everything in its vicinity, not just the base. Tomahawk missile. Or that there was

01:04:41.140 the wrong target. The Tomahawk, it looked like a precision strike. We have the footage of it.

01:04:45.860 It definitely didn't look like it was like a World Trade Center 7 effect where the debris

01:04:50.860 blew down the building. This looked like an intentional strike. So do you believe that this

01:04:54.380 is actually an ai error or are they using ai to scapegoat the murder of 150 170 children i don't

01:05:01.760 believe i don't think it's in the interest of the united states to to on the first day of the war

01:05:06.600 go and blow up a school of of of a school filled with young elementary school girls like i don't

01:05:13.320 think they would deliberately do that um but you know it's an it's a very predictable outcome when

01:05:18.480 you do a war like this and you're bombing the shit out of everything you're gonna kill a lot

01:05:22.060 of innocent people um so i i i need an explanation like a theory for why it would be in the interest

01:05:28.860 of the u.s military the u.s government or whomever to go and deliberately target a school i do think

01:05:34.220 and i don't know that it's a i for sure i think we but they they're using ai for their targeting

01:05:38.860 but the other component of ai with the anthropic thing that that is is actually what you asked

01:05:43.260 is about surveillance and the fact that ai is going to create a mass surveillance system unlike

01:05:49.900 anything i've ever seen you know when i was doing the stonen reporting i remember like some of the

01:05:54.300 most chilling documents i found was there was a document describing the mission and the objective

01:05:59.900 of the nsa and when we first started doing the stoner reporting the government was saying oh

01:06:03.660 it's just a spy on terrorists it's just spy on criminals and you know the bad people and the

01:06:09.260 mission statement of the nsa that we found that was top secret was collect everything store

01:06:14.300 everything have the ability to analyze everything like they wanted to turn the internet into a system

01:06:19.660 of omnipotent spying and this is now 13 years ago and it wasn't just like a pipe dream they were

01:06:24.540 very close to achieving it like they were collecting everything um from you know all sources

01:06:29.500 including silicon valley phone companies and they had a massive database and the technology has only

01:06:34.540 gotten so much better with ai it's going to get better still and i don't think there's going to

01:06:37.900 be any do you see any regulatory restraints on on ai coming from the united states government no

01:06:43.100 because everyone's petrified that if you put restraints on it china or russia or iran will

01:06:47.820 take the lead in it and they're playing with this this bomb that's not only going to be dangerous

01:06:53.180 in terms of war but also absolutely incredibly dangerous for any notion of privacy that any of

01:06:58.140 us who live in the west have not just privacy but have you seen videos of people from southeast asia

01:07:03.180 predominantly you know indian or bengalis they can ai themselves as girls and then make porn and

01:07:10.780 you know people are looking at the screen like oh my god it looks so real and it's really baljeet

01:07:15.740 and you know mumbai who's there holding that that stuff is is terrible for the future of

01:07:23.100 civilization and you know the rise everything yeah it's it's completely terrible and you know

01:07:27.900 to to push back a little on the missile you know that there was a second tomahawk missile that

01:07:31.740 that struck the medics that were there to go and help the children you heard it so two mistakes

01:07:36.540 like this yeah those those are those are double well those are double top strikes that the united

01:07:41.020 states and israel used constantly like the you know you saw a lot of video of the israelis doing

01:07:45.200 that in gaza they would blow something up blow a bunch of people up and then when the medics and

01:07:49.260 doctors and nurses arrived or the ambulance drivers arrived as first responders they would

01:07:53.180 then do a second strike on purpose to blow them up too the obama that's a war crime do that all

01:07:58.060 the time yeah i mean if you can enforce a war crime against israel and the united states then

01:08:02.540 it's a war crime but in general war crimes are only enforced against weak countries or

01:08:06.000 uh you know people who are are detained i just saw by the way the idf right before i came on

01:08:12.240 posting this thing about how iran is violating international law and committing war crimes

01:08:16.560 using cluster munitions in tel aviv and you can go every single war that the israelis have fought

01:08:22.380 over the last 35 years they've used cluster bombs again you know and the reason cluster

01:08:26.920 bombs are so dangerous is because they fall there's so many of them they fall undetonated

01:08:30.940 and kids find them like 10 5 15 years later and pick them up and they explode and there's tons of

01:08:37.020 you know amputees um around because they have their limbs blown off uh through cluster bombs

01:08:43.020 they're they're they're but anyway the israelis were complaining about international law for

01:08:47.660 the iranians using weapons that they use like three months ago in lebanon um but anyway yeah

01:08:53.580 i'm not those are double top strikes i have no doubt i just i would need i'm not saying i put

01:08:58.460 it past the united states or israel to bomb a school filled with girls because they think

01:09:03.180 they're too moral to do that i'm saying i would need a reason why strategically or pragmatically

01:09:09.340 it would be in their interest to do so rather than counterproductive i've heard some theories

01:09:13.100 that it's because the school was predominantly of the children of irgc soldiers so one theory

01:09:19.020 could be to demoralize the soldiers also to set a statement and a standard the tomahawk missile

01:09:24.940 is specific to u.s military not israel's military so i mean israel just came off of three years of

01:09:30.460 genociding children u.s is saying hey look we'll match you we're on the same team killing these

01:09:36.320 children is is has had why we're the greatest allies but i know you don't i know you don't

01:09:40.620 have kids but like i do and i'm sure you can imagine like if if someone came and purposely

01:09:45.740 killed your kids would it make you demoralized and like not wanting to fight or would it make you

01:09:50.860 determined to fight until death against the people who did it no matter what great point

01:09:55.320 i think that the u.s underestimated their enemy i think even them assassinating khameini they

01:10:00.340 thought it was going to demoralize because they completely underestimated how passionate

01:10:05.260 shia muslims are especially the people of iran are about the idea of martyrdom i think that

01:10:10.100 assassination inspired them instead of demoralize them you know he's 86 years old he had cancer

01:10:15.740 and you can see the videos now people are now willing to die for a greater cause so i think

01:10:21.860 that the u.s empire is completely arrogant westerners can't really relate to understand

01:10:26.780 anymore they can't relate to it at all i don't think trump has any idea what he's up against

01:10:31.100 i think he thought it was going to be another venezuela regime uh you see on the air force one

01:10:35.960 there's audio saying they're cut women in half they had babies he's putting out the same october

01:10:40.900 seventh slot propaganda. I think he just didn't look up at all. Ted Cruz was speaking to Tucker

01:10:45.880 Carlson. Tucker Carlson asked Ted Cruz, what's the population of Iran? Ted Cruz doesn't know.

01:10:50.960 They didn't even, they're so arrogant. I don't think they have any clue what they're up against

01:10:56.420 at all. So I think there is a valid theory that one, they did think that bombing a school

01:11:01.640 demoralized because they did not see how Khomeini actually united people and lit a fire in them

01:11:08.600 to fight this war to the death yeah i mean you know but like again these people that you're

01:11:15.420 talking about like trump and and trump ran in 2016 claiming he was vehemently opposed to the

01:11:20.600 iraq war again as usual with trump you can find him saying pretty much everything on every side

01:11:25.600 depending on on what happens on that given day but you know trump has been a pretty consistent

01:11:31.180 opponent of these sorts of things yeah you would think you'd be able to see through the propaganda

01:11:35.120 Amanda, you know, Ted Cruz is just a fanatic and also kind of an idiot.

01:11:38.880 Like he has sort of idiot savant skills that let him go to, I think, Harvard.

01:11:43.460 But in terms of any sophisticated understanding of the world, and also, as you say, like these

01:11:48.480 people, they don't really travel.

01:11:50.360 They don't understand these cultures.

01:11:52.080 They don't make it any effort to read.

01:11:54.400 They, they, they, they do that.

01:11:55.940 But that is like a reason why you shouldn't go and try and engineer someone else's country

01:12:00.540 and think that if you blow up enough things, you could predict the outcomes or control

01:12:03.920 the outcomes.

01:12:04.500 but even like if they're not capable of seeing that in the abstract they've seen it so many

01:12:09.120 times and all they at times we we thought we're going to do that and it didn't work

01:12:12.900 absolutely i have to i want to ask you about shabat lubovic but i'm also streaming on youtube

01:12:18.400 i'm going to cut it and just go to kick so youtube people go to the kick stream it's pinned right

01:12:22.460 here so shabat lubovic has become a great topic of discussion from your your now friend tucker

01:12:28.200 Carlson, you were your enemies for a long time. And the idea is that people like Jared Kushner

01:12:33.920 and rabbis that are speaking to Netanyahu, that they're all part of this specific cult within

01:12:38.740 Judaism that is trying to usher in the messianic age. Is this legitimate? Is this crazy? I mean,

01:12:45.940 I know that Chabad Lubavitch Synagogue within New York, I live in New York City. This is where

01:12:49.760 the tunnels that were discovered in 2024 with the bloody mattresses that was never investigated,

01:12:54.400 it connected into the synagogue at Chabad Lubavitch Synagogue where many world leaders meet.

01:12:58.200 what is the what's really happening with this weird cult if that's true within judaism

01:13:05.840 i don't think we talk enough about jared kushner and the kushner family absolutely um and the

01:13:14.800 influence that they have because it was always kind of speculated but i think with good reason

01:13:21.540 that trump's favorite child is is ivanka trump and yeah we know he ended up marrying yeah and she

01:13:28.820 ended up marrying him and she converted to judaism and to like a very you know strict sect they go to

01:13:35.060 one of those synagogues in in washington you don't necessarily have to be uh to be able to

01:13:39.940 be able to go to a synagogue but obviously you're you're very empathetic to it you're

01:13:43.380 very comfortable around it you're very invested in it he's given a lot of money jared kushner has

01:13:48.740 to uh those causes associated with that that sect of judaism i don't think they claim their

01:13:56.020 they're part of it but he's very he's obviously very very uh close to it his family you know his

01:14:01.700 father was a huge criminal like a big fraudster trump pardoned him but charles kushner was he

01:14:06.660 was prosecuted by chris christian in in new jersey um you know became a billionaire but through a lot

01:14:11.460 of like shady stuff trump knew him from from real estate uh stuff in in manhattan which is where he

01:14:16.260 committed the fraud he and jared and the whole family gave and still give a huge amount of money

01:14:23.380 to the most extremist jewish and israeli causes in israel including west bank settlement expansion

01:14:29.940 which every party every presidency going back to you know the 60s republican democrats didn't

01:14:36.500 matter you know we talked about george hw bush enraged about west bank settlements the position

01:14:41.140 of the u.s government has been that u.s settlements are directly harmful to american interests they

01:14:45.060 They endanger American troops in that region.

01:14:46.820 They cause anti-American hatred and attacks on our country.

01:14:49.800 And here you have Jared Kushner and the Kushner family financing and funding exactly that

01:14:54.500 movement that actually is illegal to finance and directly harmful to American interests

01:14:58.680 as every president for the last 60 years has understood it.

01:15:01.840 And now that very same person, not only, of course, did Jared Kushner marry Ivanka, she

01:15:07.200 converted to Judaism and all their kids.

01:15:09.360 So Trump's grandkids are are not just Jewish, but part of this, this, this sect and the synagogue.

01:15:16.520 And it's not just that, like, he's Trump's son-in-law.

01:15:19.900 He's leading Middle East policy, even though he has no official position in government.

01:15:24.520 He's going around the Middle East with his yarmulke as Trump's official representative, supposedly trying to negotiate between the Israelis and the Iranians.

01:15:31.760 Like, who's what do you think he's really doing?

01:15:34.260 Is it actually difficult to figure out?

01:15:36.620 And then you have Steve Whitcoff, who's with him, whose whole family, too, is fanatically

01:15:41.200 pro-Israel.

01:15:41.840 They give tons of money.

01:15:43.320 Those are the two lead negotiators in the Middle East, Steve Whitcoff and Jared Kushner.

01:15:47.880 So what do you think is going to be the predominant objective of these negotiations, or to which

01:15:54.940 country will these negotiations be designed to most serve their interests?

01:16:00.000 Obviously, it will be Israel.

01:16:01.240 It's not even controversial.

01:16:02.300 And yet, I think the fear of talking about Jared's religion, the fact that Trump's daughter

01:16:08.220 is Jewish, his grandkids are Jewish, and they belong to this sect, the role they're playing

01:16:12.660 in Israel, it's a little too sensitive for people.

01:16:15.500 And I think that's the reason why it gets avoided.

01:16:17.700 So how did Steve Whitcoff get this position?

01:16:20.300 Jared Kusher, obviously, they married into the family.

01:16:22.680 It seems like one of these ancient ideas of two royal empires marrying into each other

01:16:27.700 for more power.

01:16:29.140 What's the background behind Steve Whitcoff?

01:16:32.300 Well, Steve Wyckoff has known Trump forever.

01:16:35.140 Steve Wyckoff is a real estate billionaire in Manhattan.

01:16:38.880 And you know, one of the reasons why Trump is comfortable around, like most people, you

01:16:43.000 know, like around most groups of people like Trump is, you know, he came from Queens, but

01:16:47.160 he's been in Hollywood.

01:16:48.160 He was, you know, the head, he was the host of an NBC reality show for 10 years.

01:16:51.820 So he's been in Hollywood.

01:16:53.040 He's been in Manhattan.

01:16:54.040 Very, very comfortable around black celebrities, gay people, Jews.

01:16:59.580 Like, this is, you know, the circles in which Trump has swum for a long time.

01:17:05.020 And Steve Whitcoff is, you know, a very, very rich Jewish Zionist billionaire in real estate

01:17:13.420 who, you know, Trump has known forever.

01:17:15.700 He lived next, like Howard.

01:17:19.060 Lutnick.

01:17:20.080 Howard Lutnick, who is Trump's Commerce Secretary, who lived next door to Jeffrey Epstein.

01:17:24.060 Nine and 11 buildings.

01:17:26.220 Jeffrey Epstein building nine, Howard Lutnick building 11.

01:17:28.640 and you started off talking about uh 9-11 lutnik i was going to ask in the beginning lutnik

01:17:33.800 you know his firm 100 or 600 of his employees died in that cancer fitzherald cancer fitzherald

01:17:38.800 600 of his employees died he was conveniently taking his son to kindergarten that day and this

01:17:42.640 like one-fourth of the victims of 9-11 were all part of his firm was 3 000 deaths

01:17:46.780 it's uh what an incredible coincidence huh yeah lucky lucky very very very very very very lucky

01:17:54.300 should have gone to las vegas uh that week and probably would have won a lot of money um so yeah

01:17:59.660 this is this is the circle that surrounds trump these are the people he knows most and trusts the

01:18:04.220 most and you know steve whitcock you know for for a while there was a lot of leaking and actually

01:18:11.180 people i respect who know this circle very well are kind of in it were insisting to me that steve

01:18:16.700 whitcoff was really pushing the israelis hard was really trying to get a diplomatic deal with iran

01:18:21.980 to avoid a war this is of course the person trump is sending between to media between uh

01:18:26.700 putin and and the ukrainians he's got a lot of flack steve would cop has for being too pro-russian

01:18:31.500 because that's really what trump's view is of how you end the war is russians are winning russians

01:18:36.540 are stronger trump wants good relations with putin i think we're actually going to lift sanctions on

01:18:40.460 russian oil as a way of uh compensating for the the missing oil from from you know the persian

01:18:45.820 gulf and from everything that's happening with iran and the country surrounding it but uh yeah

01:18:50.620 Yeah, Steve Whitcoff was supposedly someone who was going to negotiate peace.

01:18:54.740 The problem is Steve Whitcoff has no experience whatsoever in geopolitics.

01:18:58.640 The only thing that Steve Whitcoff has ever demonstrated an interest in is Israel.

01:19:02.800 So I'm not unwilling to believe that, like, Trump said to him, hey, I'd like to avoid war.

01:19:07.820 And he kind of made a little bit of an effort.

01:19:10.020 But at the end of the day, you know, we were talking about this before.

01:19:12.440 Like, people who grew up in these subcultures, in the Jewish subculture, are indoctrinated from birth from every direction.

01:19:18.700 like parent parental and friends and culture and societal and neighborhood and religious to

01:19:25.640 have ultimate loyalty to israel that's just the reality and the idea that steve whitkoff is

01:19:31.120 somehow immune from that or that he's like trying really hard to bully the israeli government that's

01:19:37.140 something that i believe the people who think that are being genuine about it but at the end

01:19:41.680 of the day you know that he and jared kushner on the same page okay so 9-11 let me just amazing

01:19:46.840 though yeah go ahead what's amazing no that that the people leading our middle east

01:19:54.180 are not even in office secretary of state yeah they're not even in office and they're they're

01:19:59.080 they're you know people who have demonstrated their whole lives a fanatical obsession to a

01:20:02.940 foreign country what other country in the world would tolerate that yeah and that's also he was

01:20:09.060 a part of the peace negotiations for russia ukraine correct like he the jared kushner was

01:20:13.880 negotiating with Selensky.

01:20:16.200 Yeah, it was mostly Whitcoff.

01:20:17.540 It was mostly Whitcoff,

01:20:18.400 but now Jared is,

01:20:19.480 they're kind of like a little pair,

01:20:20.820 like a duo,

01:20:22.220 a little Zionist duo running around.

01:20:24.460 Okay.

01:20:24.960 Does your gaydar go off for those guys or no?

01:20:28.900 Not either of those two.

01:20:30.700 Okay.

01:20:31.900 Okay.

01:20:32.640 9-11,

01:20:33.180 I just want to ask you that question.

01:20:35.420 So I don't know if you speak about this,

01:20:37.340 but we,

01:20:38.240 on the theme of whistleblowers and,

01:20:40.200 wait, was that a subliminal?

01:20:41.120 I missed it.

01:20:43.880 no you mean no okay reference to you or something okay okay good good so 9 11 okay thank god on the

01:20:52.680 theme of whistleblowers so 9 11 you brought up the insane coincidence that uh that howard

01:20:59.220 was absent that day and you brought up cancer you brought that up i brought up okay let's do

01:21:04.080 well okay let me just ask you what do you think is the truth about 9 11

01:21:07.540 like as a journalist which ultimately is my work i try really hard to kind of cling to proof and

01:21:19.820 evidence and not speculate unless like i'm being very clear that that i speculate the problem with

01:21:25.480 9-11 is that it was such a complex event and like the jfk assassination the people chosen to

01:21:33.240 officially investigate it had all sorts of interest in making sure that nothing got really

01:21:38.260 investigated the official version that was issued from the start ended up being the one that was

01:21:43.520 endorsed and so when you have an investigation that's designed to omit huge numbers of facts

01:21:50.260 that are in con in contradiction to the narrative being where they're that they're there to affirm

01:21:55.300 it's very very difficult to then if you're trying to base everything on evidence and proof rather

01:22:00.280 than speculation or even circumstantial evidence reach a definitive conclusion all i'll say is that

01:22:06.000 you know i'm open to anything where official claims about a major event that empowered huge

01:22:13.960 numbers of power centers that enriched huge numbers of people through all the wars and the

01:22:19.020 erosions of civil liberty and the massive intelligence and military budgets that exploded

01:22:22.800 not just in the united states but all over the world when something's in so much the interest

01:22:28.440 of power centers and then you have the story of those israelis in new jersey who were uh dancing

01:22:33.680 in that truck and they actually did end up like having all massad connections like okay they just

01:22:39.100 had nothing to do with those huge coincidence that five massad agents who were israeli happened

01:22:43.820 to be on that rooftop like cheering and celebrating and you know there was it's not like you don't

01:22:48.960 even have to be conspiratorial there was all i'm sure you've seen that abc news report about that

01:22:52.840 which i mean if you go and watch with like any kind of open eyes you'll be shocked by how

01:22:57.720 abc news put these facts together maybe even unwittingly um i'm absolutely open to all of

01:23:03.120 that i just don't think we have conclusive answers we don't and we probably never will if we still

01:23:07.920 have only a fraction of the epstein files what can we learn about you you brought up kushner

01:23:13.700 and i think a lot of people are making well yesterday professor jang came on the stream

01:23:18.420 and he said that jared kushner is essentially the new jeffrey epstein that he's the replacement

01:23:22.520 yeah i saw that he has tons of power okay well yeah this is i guess a two-part question one

01:23:26.780 what do you think of professor jang and two what should we know about jared kushner

01:23:31.180 it's so weird i like i only found uh this professor within the last week and i actually

01:23:37.700 i didn't even find him because he's been so uh central now in commenting on current affairs i

01:23:45.120 just saw his found his lectures and like i listened to one on i think uh homer and greek

01:23:50.600 civilization another one on on persian civilization and then i saw on sub stack he has a new sub stack

01:23:56.160 and it's you know a lot of readers on there and then i saw that he's speaking like very assertively

01:24:00.700 too about uh they're on war and things like it i will say again that i i think the first trump

01:24:10.520 presidency was destroyed when jared kushner won his power battle with steve bannon because jared

01:24:17.040 kushner is this very traditional pro-business pro-corporate pro-israel hawkish neocon republican

01:24:24.800 that of the kind that president trump vowed to cleanse the republican party of and steve bannon

01:24:30.720 was the opposite of that and is the opposite of that you know truly populist non-interventionist

01:24:36.460 i have a lot of critiques of steve bannon but generally speaking that's true and they got into

01:24:41.440 a big you know war as was inevitable over who was going to dominate and of course you know trump

01:24:46.540 picked avanka's husband over steve bannon and from the rest of that it became a very much more

01:24:53.020 traditionally republican and conservative and neocon not as much as the one now the second term

01:24:58.620 but but still and i blame jared kushner for that he's been at the center of everything and you know

01:25:03.260 when you talk about jared kushner you're not talking about jared kushner you're talking about

01:25:06.140 his synagogue the rabbis behind it the israelis with whom he's very intricately linked i'm sure

01:25:13.980 that whatever they know he knows they're arming him with things and the new jeffrey epstein i would

01:25:21.340 agree with that depending on what that means like if it means that he's a you know pedophile who's

01:25:26.140 you know luring people into pedophile traps not sure i wouldn't be ready to say that for the

01:25:31.900 reason i just said about evidence but i do certainly believe that jared kushner is an

01:25:35.900 arm of the israeli government and he's smack dab in the middle not just the trump administration

01:25:39.820 with the trump family so is that marriage to ivanka trump suspect you brought earlier that

01:25:45.420 his favorite one of his favorite children is definitely ivanka trump he said uh on the view

01:25:50.080 if i'm not mistaken uh if she wasn't my daughter perhaps i'd be dating her which is in crazy that

01:25:55.680 we all saw that when it came out and then you know to have memory hold that and then they

01:25:59.640 they call people in iran deviants it's like okay i've never heard himani speak about his daughter

01:26:04.040 that way and then you look deeper and you see ivanka's mother died in 2022 she was she fell

01:26:09.500 down some stairs which is a unique way to pass away to put it lightly is there anything

01:26:15.700 normal is this okay to phrase it the best way i can what is this more is a stranger than charlie

01:26:23.900 kirk meeting erica kirk in israel on a pilgrimage after erica kirk had weird intelligence connections

01:26:29.360 and was a bikini pageant girl miss arizona being a virgin girl or is ivanka marrying jared kushner

01:26:35.660 weirder in the terms of american couples

01:26:39.580 well i mean the kushners and the trumps do have a natural connection in that they

01:26:51.360 you know swam in the same pond which was you know new york billionaire real estate

01:26:56.740 and you know i was a lawyer before i was a journalist and i litigated in manhattan and

01:27:02.460 and i had a lot of a couple cases that involved trump but a lot of lawyers i knew had cases

01:27:06.980 involving trump you know he was basically a scumbag when when when he he when he dealt with

01:27:12.520 business you know not necessarily criminal although you know but you know his bankruptcies

01:27:17.420 and he wouldn't pay vendors and lots of stuff very like sketchy and shady stuff which is the

01:27:23.340 world of of new york uh real estate and the kushner family comes out of this so the kushner family

01:27:28.060 is a criminal fraudulent despicable you know amoral organization with huge uh loyalty to israel

01:27:35.560 and you know you talked before about like how right you know like empires and royal families

01:27:40.080 would intermarry to strengthen their their each family or whatever and you do see a lot of that

01:27:44.260 in in in this kind of epstein world like right like transnational globalized billionaires

01:27:50.180 they they want to kind of only intermarry it is interesting though that that you know whereas say

01:27:56.820 40 years ago in the united states for a wasp family or for like the trumps or for you know

01:28:03.040 christian families intermarriage with jews was was taboo yeah and now it's almost like a societal

01:28:08.820 status symbol you know like you marry into a jewish family you could very well the jewish

01:28:12.160 family great point and um so i i don't think it's so unnatural like you can see it happening

01:28:18.660 without some ulterior motive but either way once it happens you know they're going to be a massive

01:28:26.320 influence in in in donald trump's thinking and and in his worldview and i think you've seen

01:28:31.560 evidence of that over and over including in the war in which the united states is currently involved

01:28:35.560 okay so kushner is yeah you pointed out directly not to there's no evidence that he's some deranged

01:28:46.300 pedophile but it's public information that netanyahu would stay at his place in new jersey

01:28:50.440 every time he would come for correspondence in America.

01:28:53.600 So this is a very powerful man.

01:28:56.720 What else do you think is not released in the Epstein files?

01:29:00.000 And maybe the bigger, more specific question is,

01:29:02.960 is Trump being influenced directly through blackmail from Epstein Island?

01:29:12.660 So, first of all, I do absolutely believe with certainty

01:29:17.900 that trump worked with and for the massad i mean that that jeffrey epstein did um and like my

01:29:26.060 colleagues my former colleagues at the internet including jeremy scale and others uh at drop site

01:29:30.620 news have you know i don't know like you know this but this really got kind of buried they were the

01:29:35.180 only ones who sort of reported on it but the iranians were able to hack into the emails of

01:29:40.940 uh the israeli president uh herzog isaac herzog and a couple other officials and published these

01:29:46.620 these email uh databases on online and you know a lot of journalists don't like to go through those

01:29:53.740 kind of databases once they're online because they don't feel exclusive but uh the people at

01:29:57.900 dropside news went through them and there's had barack tambay uh as well i don't know why i slipped

01:30:03.260 into portuguese there barack as well and there's all kinds of evidence about work that jeffrey

01:30:09.020 epstein was doing with the foreign policy establishment with the the security state

01:30:13.660 of israel the trump administration has been petrified of that issue as a matter of fact when

01:30:18.140 the when the trump administration first did some releases of the epstein file there was a oval

01:30:22.380 office meeting with trump and pam bondy and he was a reporter asked do you know whether jeffrey

01:30:29.660 epstein had ties to foreign intelligence like the israelis or to us intelligence that was the first

01:30:35.100 time trump exploded with anger and said are you people idiots you're talking about some scumbag

01:30:40.060 who's dead for many years we have a lot of important things to do and you know his base

01:30:44.140 was like we were told for four years this was the the key to everything and now you're telling us

01:30:48.220 it's it's you're so angry if anyone asks because it's so trivial but pam he then asked pam bondi

01:30:52.860 to answer and she said you know um this is when they issued that statement saying we looked at

01:30:59.420 the epstein files there's no evidence of blackmail there's no client list you know there's no anything

01:31:04.860 that that all of us told you was in there look at the dow we didn't find it yeah look at the dow

01:31:11.740 exactly um but the one thing they didn't deny was that jeffrey epstein had ties to foreign

01:31:17.040 intelligence to israeli intelligence or u.s intelligence so they asked him monday that and

01:31:20.640 she's like you know i don't know i'm gonna have to get back to you on that as though like it has

01:31:24.380 never occurred to her to even ask that before and of course she didn't get back to anyone

01:31:27.780 so i do think there's a lot of of stuff on that and you know i i've seen governments and

01:31:33.440 corporations, you know, withhold documents and kind of like slow walk them. And the stuff that

01:31:38.460 you get last are always, is always the best stuff. That's why it's last. The last question I want to

01:31:44.640 ask you, uh, great conversation so far. I've been speaking to a lot longer than I originally

01:31:48.680 intended. I don't mean to keep you over is that especially most of your, your days as a lawyer

01:31:53.160 and as an investigative journalist was at the height of anti-Muslim propaganda. And I'm sure

01:31:56.820 you saw, well, I don't know how much you plugged into New York news, but there was this paid

01:32:01.140 agitator he is a wall kissing giant zionist jew larping is a white christian you know jake lang

01:32:05.960 you know just there putting pigs in public and he's jewish he's jewish he's a wall kisser too i

01:32:11.280 mean he literally you know with the tape and the the box and the tefillin and everything yeah he's

01:32:17.260 jewish and he says like white christians need to it's funny the white supremacist movement has been

01:32:21.160 infiltrated by so many undercover jews and it's like all this is information is public and they

01:32:25.020 still fall for it do you did you have any sort of anti-muslim ideas and what's your idea now because

01:32:32.660 what i'm sure you've seen is and i saw this happen to you you were starting to get a lot

01:32:39.120 of credibility and when you start making a difference there's a coordinated effort now

01:32:43.240 their new strategy is not to completely censor but is to get a turning point style attack campaign

01:32:48.700 the way they did on candace owens it happened to professor jang recently and i saw it happen

01:32:53.120 today to me so and this on a greater scale some new scandal that you had a new no they they had

01:33:01.120 no scandal they're they're just trying to discredit i saw a lot of the same maga far right

01:33:06.820 well not far right peter teal sort of influencers try to uh to come after me and they they have

01:33:13.840 nothing there's there's there's really nothing out there but it's as soon as i i'm starting to

01:33:18.020 grow in popularity i saw something similar to what happened to candace that what happened to

01:33:22.480 it jang tucker carlson it happened to nick points to tucker to tucker to megan kelly

01:33:26.860 for like the slightest questioning yep it happened to uh it happened to you i i remember

01:33:31.840 i think it was last year or something and it this was it's very clear that this is uh

01:33:38.640 this is a coordinated effort to discredit and to slander the person rather than the message

01:33:43.420 because they can't beat it like you said pam bonnie will not address the obvious is rarely

01:33:47.500 intelligence ties that i've seen had they'll say oh they feign ignorance they're like oh i never i

01:33:52.320 didn't know like what well even though it's all over they'll have extensive research about every

01:33:56.040 other topic except the most important one so i think this coordinated effort you could make a

01:34:00.740 comparison to the anti-muslim propaganda that was pushed in america for decades and still is

01:34:04.600 right now it's happening you're in the midst of a round war they're saying isis is here in new york

01:34:09.920 even though isis very publicly we know that they were funded by the cia did you have some sort of

01:34:18.020 ideas about muslims and what do you think now what's your idea of muslims and terrorism

01:34:24.820 well in order to dissect and dismantle and confront and refute the war on terror there

01:34:32.580 was no way to avoid the extreme anti-muslim themes that were pervasive throughout it i mean that was

01:34:40.500 the the villain you know every war needs a villain you need to scare people about an enemy

01:34:46.020 and the enemy was was muslim were muslims it wasn't just al-qaeda it was muslims and

01:34:53.060 obviously the biggest enemy of muslims currently in the world are are israelis um and they have

01:34:59.780 a huge interest in making them like their the main israeli goal is to make americans believe

01:35:06.100 that israel and israel's enemies are american enemies and they instantly saw with 9-11 uh

01:35:11.860 regardless what you think of the cause the benefits that we're going to accrue to israel

01:35:15.140 which is that americans were going to be focused in a very aggressive and and hateful way on muslims

01:35:21.220 so confronting those that propaganda understanding where it comes from understanding the reality of

01:35:27.540 muslims became a very important part of my work because there was no way to to to do it you know

01:35:32.660 just like confronting media and the way media works um and also it was really interesting because

01:35:38.100 i was a very outspoken you know like i i don't really you like what right and left labels the

01:35:44.340 one kind of label that i embrace as civil libertarian like i really believe in the constitution

01:35:49.220 i believe in like constraining anybody with power i think the most dangerous thing no matter who it

01:35:52.980 is is to allow a person or a group to get unconstrained power that's down that road always

01:35:57.940 lies uh just huge abuses um and so i was a huge defender of of the civil liberties of muslims

01:36:06.100 because they were attacked in so many ways restraining their speech rounding them up put

01:36:10.340 arresting them without any due process, abusing the subpoena power to basically treat them like

01:36:16.300 criminals. I mean, to say nothing of all the propaganda that was infusing Americans with

01:36:20.140 hatred toward, you know, 2 billion people, 2 billion people plus. And so I got invited a lot

01:36:27.140 at the beginning of my journalism career to speak to like CARE and Muslim groups about civil

01:36:34.840 liberties, not about like religious stuff. And so I spent a lot of time in Muslim communities.

01:36:38.700 like i spent a lot of time in with muscle organizations uh and you know honestly i

01:36:45.340 really believe that and it's going to sound so kind of trite and rosy-eyed and even like liberal

01:36:52.140 um but i just i don't i think all religions are after the same thing i think they're all capable

01:36:58.380 of the of the same kind of evils um and in general i just i group based critiques um

01:37:05.820 um are ones that i just instinctively dislike but in that case in this case you know uh the idea

01:37:13.640 that muslims in general or islam was some great threat to the united states because of 9-11

01:37:19.680 didn't withstand even the most minimal scrutiny and so and especially because you know even if

01:37:27.140 you wanted to put the blame on muslims or so like al-qaeda or whomever for 9-11 there was a you know

01:37:33.260 decades of of attacks in the muslim world by the united states by the israelis jointly that would

01:37:39.020 have made the the 9 11 attack or any other kind of response rational as well so for a lot of reasons

01:37:44.300 i never uh embraced anti-muslim propaganda and pretty much had contempt for it from the start

01:37:49.980 and i do more than ever now and i would also say that as the awareness of israel's dominance of

01:37:56.780 american politics becomes more and more known especially among younger people but even people

01:38:01.100 who are older um their strategy the last kind of grass that desperate glass gas besides having

01:38:08.220 larry allison by tick tock and every other media outlet he can get his hands on and centering the

01:38:12.620 internet the last gasp to try and redirect americans hatred and fear toward muslims

01:38:18.060 and the iran war is part of that islamic immigrants are part of that that is the zionist israeli plan

01:38:24.140 to blind americans to the fact that they're seeing israel as a real threat as they should

01:38:28.620 to their country and their their well-being and their future and redirecting it to muslims so

01:38:33.000 it's a crucial part to combat that um if you want people to see the truth absolutely agree

01:38:38.300 glenn greenwald great to finally speak to you we've been corresponding for several years i think

01:38:44.160 we i can't remember what we were talking about and do you remember i think you had you offered

01:38:49.180 me a word of advice yeah i did i don't know if it was unsolicited or not but you were in the middle

01:38:55.100 of something and i was like you know trying to say as somebody who's been in the middle of all

01:38:59.380 of those uh before you know trying to kind of yeah just like i don't remember exactly what it

01:39:04.740 was but also one time anybody did you on my show and you said yes and then like two hours later

01:39:08.580 like sorry i can't i was just you know sorry i don't know but whatever i'm yeah i know i know

01:39:13.440 i would love to come on i was talking to my i would love to come on yeah you should i'd love

01:39:16.780 to have my audience hear you i was talking to my colleague and i i said yeah i haven't heard from

01:39:20.980 sneaker it was like 15 minutes before and he's gen z like us and he's like yeah he's a streamer

01:39:25.800 nothing's there organized they're gonna call you like two seconds before the stream goes on and

01:39:29.520 then you're just gonna go on so don't worry and that's exactly what happened but uh yeah i'm glad

01:39:32.960 we got to speak as well i really enjoyed it and i'd love to come on anytime and and uh talk to

01:39:37.520 you as well on mine well uh best of luck in brazil poha i uh hope you gotta play some football on the

01:39:44.120 beach and and drink uh corona with the brazilian cartel thanks so much and i hope to speak again

01:39:49.760 soon man god bless you and keep doing great work we appreciate you big time over here

01:39:53.180 thank you have a good evening sneaker appreciate it bye glenn

SHNEAKO - March 10, 2026

SNEAKO Interviews Glenn Greenwald： World War Iran

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