SHNEAKO - SNEAKO Reacts to Jeffrey Epstein's Podcast...

00:00:00.000 you realize part of the reason they released the epstein files now is so that what is written is

00:00:05.620 that all the jews are supposed to go to the homeland of israel they don't just want the

00:00:09.400 israelis that are currently there and to genocide all the the people in the surrounding area they

00:00:13.140 want all jews to take over there and go there and return to the homeland the same way they say black

00:00:17.880 people should return to africa that's the same thing so when you guys see the epstein file and

00:00:21.700 then you play into their hand by raising this up and saying fuck that up they are allowing the

00:00:27.040 Epstein files to be released now to let hatred rise. Then they know that there's going to be

00:00:33.680 this unifying, oh, we need to stick together. We're hated so much. We're hated. Look at this

00:00:37.720 hate on the internet. We're hated so much. We all need to band together. Don't play into that.

00:00:41.100 That's why it's released now. It's going to be used. All these chats here are going to be used

00:00:44.480 as justification to expand greater Israel. So that's a safe home. The whole Middle East could

00:00:49.900 be a safety net for jews 80 when did you first start to get what's with these cameras he's had

00:00:57.140 three they keep cutting out but that was a really good description of subprime mortgages and the

00:01:02.080 financial collapse basically he's saying basically jeffrey i've seen funny is saying

00:01:08.800 describing how the central banking system took advantage of the fact that it's not based off

00:01:15.340 of anything real and the entire world suffered from it the entire world suffered from this

00:01:21.120 economic collapse i grew up during the financial crisis 2008 i remember it was difficult groceries

00:01:29.120 were a lot more we were kind of like as a family i was anyone else grew up during that time

00:01:33.400 we were you know we were affected a lot by it me and my family it was uh it was a major major

00:01:41.400 stress and headache and it was also during the iraq war but he doesn't seem to have any remorse

00:01:47.580 about it at all they don't i mean look he doesn't care at all he's describing how it happened

00:01:51.480 essentially saying it could happen again they didn't do anything to change it

00:01:55.740 this system still exists but it's not specifically called subprime mortgages anymore

00:02:02.460 but the same system with debt still exists they'll still give out loans to people who want them

00:02:08.640 it can't happen again it might and it definitely will and they don't care they don't care if they

00:02:14.700 ruin the world and you all go broke and you lose your jobs as long as it benefits them

00:02:18.920 they don't give a fuck about you there's understanding bill clinton in all this did

00:02:23.040 you change glasses yes okay i changed shirt i saw that black um yeah great i think we're

00:02:30.080 gonna have all kind of changes um when did you get a feeling did you ever anticipate

00:02:36.580 before it happened something like 2008 could happen no really how could that

00:02:42.040 be it's the word I gonna beat to death is that it's very much like it would I

00:02:49.540 expect anticipate I'll have a heart attack tomorrow unlikely I'm gonna get

00:02:53.220 a soda was 2008 a heart attack or stroke debilitating it's a better I don't it

00:03:01.240 was both but why was it both because in fact as I said the blood was getting

00:03:05.800 dried up in the system and the head which is sort of the central bank wasn't working

00:03:09.060 so to some extent it was a combination it was a crisis did you see that building up over time

00:03:14.360 it's it's always been lurking in the background i mean if you if you have an older parent

00:03:18.360 would you say it's possible did you anticipate him having a heart attack today no you hope

00:03:23.340 things are going to go better and maybe they'll fix it up um the system was getting too complex

00:03:27.720 and it wasn't based on derivatives because what people keep forgetting and as i'm just explaining

00:03:31.900 wall street and well in many professions including wall street wall street makes it

00:03:37.620 sound complicated they don't want the little guy to understand what they do because they make so

00:03:41.780 much money and they don't do very much so they they couch it in words like derivative and stock

00:03:46.940 options and commodity futures they don't do anything they just take look at him say he's

00:03:53.120 saying it and different types of contracts it's all fairly everyone is capable of understanding

00:03:59.980 it. It is not complicated. But Wall Street, because they make so much money from doing

00:04:03.720 fairly simple things, needs to make it more complicated than it really is.

00:04:08.720 We had a very big recession in the early 90s based upon real estate and Japan basically

00:04:15.840 imploding. Let's again, you had a recession in the 90s. I don't know what it's based upon.

00:04:20.740 It's always interesting to look back and say, separate from there's certain triggers, like

00:04:25.000 in the 70s there was a... What do you think it was based upon in the 90s downturn? Clearly there

00:04:28.440 was a huge downturn no i just i know there was a downturn that's what i know for sure i don't

00:04:33.240 that's a fact that's all everything else is sort of speculation about why why did he have understand

00:04:37.960 that but there's some speculation that has zero percent probability of being true and there's

00:04:42.200 others that have 90 in the range in the range when you look at the range of alternatives of

00:04:47.740 what could have caused it in 90 and what i'm trying to do is get you all the way up to 2008

00:04:51.840 look you're the smartest guy in the room right you know that do you think there's anybody in

00:04:56.800 the world today oops this is going to be a bad question no but do you certainly do you think

00:05:01.140 anybody in the world today the alan grains fans the bernanke's any sense is there any central

00:05:04.900 banker you know any partner of any wall street firm any guy running a trading desk and i would

00:05:08.840 take it that would be or anybody at a larry fink at blackrock uh steve schwartzman at at blackstone

00:05:13.980 the top 100 financial guys and let's throw in a couple of nobel economists and let's throw in the

00:05:19.080 best professors at the at wharton at harvard at stanford do you think that there's anybody

00:05:24.160 that understands money

00:05:26.120 or understands the world's financial system

00:05:28.200 as good as you?

00:05:29.600 It must be.

00:05:30.880 But it doesn't come to the top of the head?

00:05:32.620 No.

00:05:33.180 Okay, fine.

00:05:34.360 Now that I've gotten that,

00:05:36.700 let's go back to 1990.

00:05:39.020 In that arc from the fall of the Berlin Wall

00:05:41.080 to 2008,

00:05:42.080 we started with the implosion in Tokyo

00:05:46.160 of the Japanese economy,

00:05:47.960 Japanese financial markets.

00:05:49.280 We had the huge run-up in internet stocks.

00:05:51.920 We had the implosion of that in 2000.

00:05:54.160 the bankruptcy of Drexel Burnham in 1990, implosion of Japan, huge run-up in equity

00:06:03.440 markets for the internet, implosion of the internet in 2000, ten years later roughly,

00:06:07.100 and then this run-up through the Iraq war and all that, the run-up to 2008.

00:06:10.300 Every ten years it seems like we're in some sort of ten years before the 1990s was the

00:06:15.780 Soviet Union.

00:06:16.780 You sound like an astrologer.

00:06:17.780 Okay.

00:06:18.780 You're actually a mathematician, it just seems to me a pattern of every ten years.

00:06:22.160 That was his way of calling him a fucking idiot.

00:06:24.180 You sound like an astrologer, dummy.

00:06:25.860 That's misleading. That's exactly right.

00:06:27.420 Because people like to see patterns.

00:06:28.760 People like to see patterns where there are none.

00:06:30.800 So a pattern of a financial crisis every 10 years is just in my mind.

00:06:33.520 Yes.

00:06:34.800 Long-term capital.

00:06:35.760 Long-term capital that had to be bailed out back in the late 90s.

00:06:39.080 He's being truthful right now.

00:06:39.920 Everybody panicked.

00:06:40.420 And that wasn't a big...

00:06:41.000 That bailout today would look small.

00:06:42.440 Was it $5 billion or was it $30 billion?

00:06:45.860 Businesses fail all the time.

00:06:47.540 What, the long-term capital?

00:06:48.660 The Federal Reserve stepped in.

00:06:50.080 But I'm saying, people go bad.

00:06:52.160 things go bad all the time. Yes, the local, you're correct. The audience is watching this,

00:06:57.160 the little guys, they go bankrupt all the time and nobody gives a shit. You know why? They're

00:07:00.200 a little guy. But when long-term capital management goes bankrupt, or Bear Stearns goes bankrupt,

00:07:04.100 or Lehman Brothers goes bankrupt, people care because... You know, it's an unfair characterization.

00:07:08.380 Why do you say that? Because again, it's the complexity of the situation. If you think about

00:07:11.080 the, you have a complex system, you have your body. Now, in fact, the little guy is my finger.

00:07:17.100 This is... And Bear Stearns is your heart. That's correct. The banking system is my heart.

00:07:21.560 The system, I can't risk my, because remember, it's not only my...

00:07:23.780 You haven't been able to name another.

00:07:24.700 Hang on.

00:07:25.160 You haven't been able to hang on.

00:07:26.340 I was trying to hang on.

00:07:27.300 I wanted to see if the hang on worked.

00:07:28.120 No, no, no.

00:07:28.340 You haven't been able.

00:07:28.940 You're not good enough.

00:07:29.980 You're like junior wizard trying to do it.

00:07:32.180 You haven't, you haven't, I'll say, since we can't name another guy that's as good as you.

00:07:36.540 There may be a couple out there.

00:07:37.320 You're not bragging.

00:07:38.300 You're humble.

00:07:40.200 It had to be some time.

00:07:41.400 Please tell me there was some time before you went to jail and basically got cut off from daily information in the summer of 2008

00:07:48.380 that you started to get very nervous

00:07:51.200 that this complex system,

00:07:53.160 that something was deeply wrong?

00:07:55.180 Okay, first, let's go back.

00:07:56.520 When I say no one understands the system

00:07:58.380 better than I do,

00:07:59.440 it doesn't mean I understand.

00:08:00.160 You always sound like a doctor.

00:08:00.780 You're afraid he's going to get sued

00:08:01.500 for giving a thing.

00:08:02.240 You're not taking on any liability.

00:08:04.380 There's no contingent liability here

00:08:05.720 for your answers.

00:08:06.280 Yeah, no, no, no.

00:08:06.600 But the word understand is the problem.

00:08:08.340 I don't understand the system.

00:08:10.260 Okay.

00:08:10.800 So that's,

00:08:11.580 I don't understand the financial system.

00:08:13.100 Please stop.

00:08:13.660 You cannot sit here.

00:08:14.800 You described it more intricately

00:08:16.560 than almost anybody I've ever seen,

00:08:18.820 and you're saying he doesn't understand it.

00:08:20.960 We just went through.

00:08:22.420 I'll go through again.

00:08:23.160 The hedge fund managers, the money managers,

00:08:25.260 the central bankers, the commercial bankers,

00:08:27.780 the cutters, the heads of the investment banks,

00:08:32.460 the heads of all the trading desks,

00:08:34.140 the top economists,

00:08:36.260 and I'll throw in the business school lecturers at Stanford,

00:08:38.800 of all the top 200, 250,

00:08:41.040 you can't name at the top of your head

00:08:42.780 the guys at least at your level.

00:08:45.060 You have to understand it.

00:08:46.560 somewhat no sorry we all don't understand it wow no one understands it wow it's a miracle

00:08:54.200 wow it's this that's part of the it's a tragedy the fact that nobody understands what rules over

00:09:00.840 everybody is insane the fact that wars start the fact that people's entire lives are dedicated to

00:09:06.740 achieving something that doesn't even exist or make sense to people that are supposedly experts

00:09:12.580 about it to people that understand it more than anybody to say it doesn't even make sense or he

00:09:17.380 can't understand it isn't it a tragedy well that's the difference he says it's a miracle because he

00:09:22.820 takes advantage of it because it benefits him and his people but the fact that you can people

00:09:28.400 spend their whole lives their whole lives working towards something that's not even real

00:09:32.600 this is not how we're supposed to live we're gory problem it's impossible to understand the

00:09:42.560 that word understand simply means if this happens here that will happen there it's predictable

00:09:49.220 understanding means it's predictable it's not predictable okay that's the problem it's very

00:09:53.940 in complex systems that was the fascination is there a way to tease out some level of predictability

00:10:00.180 so no in fact you ask you would ask the question it's a great question which was was it a stroke

00:10:06.040 or a heart attack now most people don't know that before they were going to have a stroke they had

00:10:10.620 a stroke did they they just have a stroke do they understand why in hindsight you go back and you

00:10:18.380 can make lots of explanations imagine him on joe rogan where he's going right now he's going into

00:10:22.960 the metaphysical he's saying it's something spiritual that you you know someone's going to

00:10:27.260 die you have a feeling that you can't describe and then you know like you know when a relative

00:10:32.100 passes away and you could feel it before you get the call the text message he's saying that's the

00:10:37.760 same feeling with the financial system that it's uh it exists it's spiritual in a sense because

00:10:43.320 money is energy more than it's a it's a pass around it's an exchange of energy it's a flow

00:10:48.220 that goes from people to others right people can harvest it and and spend it it goes back

00:10:54.760 it transfers from person to person and i think it's an evil spirit i do think that's an evil

00:11:01.060 energy if we understand that money's the root of all evil but it's it's so interesting hearing

00:11:05.900 him go here because obviously one of the most evil people of all time but he's describing

00:11:10.720 something greater than what's just visible on earth might sound good and if you're talking to

00:11:19.540 the the working man you're using language that he'll never understand it's complex so he's just

00:11:25.560 like going to his doctor he says he has a gastrointestinal problem with his diverticulitis

00:11:30.300 as opposed to saying, you had a stomach ache.

00:11:32.860 You ate bad food.

00:11:34.420 People don't like to say it in normal,

00:11:36.660 everyman terms.

00:11:38.000 The system had a stroke, but we don't know why.

00:11:41.160 But you just, okay, hardworking people,

00:11:43.840 and there's a great social benefit.

00:11:46.260 So you're saying finance is a living, breathing organism.

00:11:49.320 Do you not agree?

00:11:51.420 Sorry, what were you hearing this question again?

00:11:52.840 And there's a great social benefit.

00:11:54.740 Nigga couldn't turn off his ringer?

00:11:56.340 Is that Delane texting him?

00:11:57.580 I agree.

00:11:57.900 with having people having ownership in the system when you say ownership in the system

00:12:05.180 it doesn't mean let's start over okay that's elon texting him right now jumping up and down can i go

00:12:15.200 to the party can i go to the party i want to i heard it's a really good party can i come he's

00:12:20.100 like oh this fucking asshole oh the goy keeps texting me so maybe flip it down or something

00:12:25.520 Yeah, who knows what the fuck comes up with that fuck?

00:12:28.440 That's correct.

00:12:30.440 K-S-A.

00:12:31.300 I can't not believe I've got the magic moment

00:12:33.980 when you're in fucking prison or jail,

00:12:35.880 wherever the fuck it is, in solitary.

00:12:37.700 Now, there's a funny part to that we missed,

00:12:39.300 which is said...

00:12:39.660 Go ahead, can you tell us?

00:12:40.500 The funny part is...

00:12:41.600 Is there anything funnier than that?

00:12:44.240 For black humor, it's...

00:12:45.760 I don't make any black comments, sorry.

00:12:50.340 Huh?

00:12:52.380 What?

00:12:52.820 if you read the emails you know what he means by that too

00:12:56.700 he's not just making an off color joke

00:12:58.620 he's literally saying he don't fuck with black people

00:13:00.440 bro he's

00:13:03.600 this guy is a dark motherfucker bro

00:13:05.680 you asked me what I was wearing

00:13:07.820 that's right you're too wrapped up in the me too movement

00:13:09.940 yes so I was wearing

00:13:11.740 a brown

00:13:12.860 jumper and a brown pair

00:13:15.760 of pants given to me by the jail

00:13:17.420 with the word trustee

00:13:19.580 on the back

00:13:20.760 because you had qualified to be a trustee well if the funny part was it was

00:13:25.440 spelled t-r-u-s-t-y so I wasn't really sure trust that's all wrong I'd been a

00:13:32.100 trustee in many different operations but it was the first time it was actually

00:13:35.100 printed on my back and spelled incorrectly cry had a higher level of

00:13:40.280 being a trustee at that then you had it all the all the boards that you were

00:13:45.000 trustees right yes because if the trustee meant you get two um devices to clean your toilet as

00:13:52.760 opposed to one yeah but it also meant that you you had some sort of personal fiduciary

00:13:58.360 own responsibility for oneself right in the jail that's what being a trustee is that's

00:14:02.840 where they give you two why is he asking these questions yes you get two cleaners right you can

00:14:08.760 see he's frustrated that this interview is like why are you wasting my time with these stupid

00:14:13.640 questions bannon this is probably one of the most important interviews of the 21st century

00:14:17.600 and it's just like talking about the call this is burger king and mcdonald's burger king

00:14:22.240 regulated i love regulated burgers i was a trustee in the jail because i was able to teach

00:14:28.120 some of the kids from to help them get their ged so that's how they gave me a trustee jot

00:14:34.740 you you could see the contempt in his face he's just looking at bannon like he's such an idiot

00:14:39.720 Goy. He's just like

00:14:41.560 look at these subhumans that I have to

00:14:43.620 communicate with. There's no

00:14:45.520 time. I gotta go back to this because

00:14:47.520 I'm like a dog with a bone in this thing.

00:14:50.720 Yes.

00:14:51.340 You can't

00:14:52.000 There's something deeply

00:14:55.540 fucked up with you.

00:14:57.500 At least something. We know there are things

00:14:59.700 deeply fucked up with this. You will get through

00:15:01.540 in this film. But

00:15:02.480 you cannot possibly

00:15:05.400 have sifted. Wow bro.

00:15:07.680 You can see it in his eye. This is so

00:15:09.580 intriguing says there's something really deeply fucked up with you and just did you see in his

00:15:14.860 face all the flashes of the horrible images it's beautiful and beautiful like in an art in an art

00:15:21.840 way not obviously good but i literally just you could look in his eyes and he just saw all the

00:15:28.200 horrible things he's done i saw flashes of images right now i could see the children the blood

00:15:35.300 the crying the tears the suit the murder look at that ready film but you cannot possibly have

00:15:46.100 sit there knowing that you came from nowhere knowing that you went to the very top of what

00:15:52.140 is considered outside of science and maybe physics the thing people most admire because

00:15:57.560 it's like alchemy understanding high finance to sit there and what will be the defining financial

00:16:04.460 crisis of our time like like black friday and black monday whatever it was in the great

00:16:12.520 depression and be there at that exact moment triggered in part by a firm that you used to

00:16:19.600 be a partner in and knew intimately well and it created much of your initial net worth because of

00:16:24.440 you can see he's like this is the end that's the end of my he knows that this is this is the final

00:16:31.820 chapter that's the face he's making right now that's it this is the conclusion and know that

00:16:41.920 you couldn't someone who lives on a phone right yes because you do live on a phone right correct

00:16:47.380 you had to make collect just to collect calls you cannot tell me sometime during that day

00:16:55.040 you did not have that conversation with yourself of how the fuck did i do this to myself to put

00:17:01.460 myself in west palm beach in a six by nine cell with a metal fucking bed with a brown shirt that

00:17:06.920 said trustee spelled wrong did i find it amazing that i was there that's not amazing i don't want

00:17:13.460 to say it was not funny oh i thought i wasn't funny right not amazing no it was incredible

00:17:18.780 incredible in what way incredible like how do i do this to myself no it's as incredible as me

00:17:25.520 sitting here in this house they're both just two sides of the coin that's how I

00:17:32.420 think about it that my life today is incredible do you consider yourself a

00:17:36.680 stoic no I consider myself a hermit the hermit evil face right there that's an

00:17:46.340 evil motherfucker evil evil it's just the way he switches I've never seen a

00:17:51.960 human like this but hermit is what a funny i think he's describing that based off of the fact

00:17:56.860 that he's been in prison for a while at this point of his life but the majority he was one of the

00:18:00.520 biggest socialites in the world if not the biggest stoke's not very happy being a hermit then being

00:18:08.180 in that six by nine cell being in the cell qua the cell was not the problem right correct what was

00:18:15.540 the problem uh the eating the almond joy bars because you couldn't eat the food no right

00:18:23.140 and then but remember my my life is did that ever strike you that i gotta i can't eat the food

00:18:32.880 because somebody might have done something to it i gotta eat i gotta live off an almond joy bar

00:18:36.880 one a day or two a day or whatever how many ever sneak in a day no sneaking in your one almond

00:18:44.020 joy bar did that not it did not hit you at some time how the fuck did i do this no

00:18:50.440 let's go back to the spring of 2008 were you so right in undercover language steve bannis

00:18:59.460 asking do you have any remorse do you have any regrets do you feel guilty and he's saying no

00:19:06.980 i don't believe him though it's there i think he took off his glasses because he was about to tear

00:19:11.560 up. Wrapped up in your personal issues at the time, you were not spending enough time

00:19:15.940 in the financial markets, or were you deeply involved in the financial markets like you

00:19:19.180 normally were?

00:19:20.180 No, I was involved.

00:19:22.180 So, we're saying that the smartest guy in the room didn't see it coming?

00:19:28.280 No, of course not.

00:19:29.280 The bankruptcy of Bear Stearns, you just thought it was a Bear Stearns problem? You didn't

00:19:34.500 see it as systemic?

00:19:35.500 I know you keep hopping on it, but it's not…

00:19:38.140 Because you're a mathematician and understands systems. It seems that anybody

00:19:41.180 understands that they had a systemic problem you at least be the first on the early search radar

00:19:46.940 if you're not going to see it then then you're then i'm really afraid because that means that

00:19:52.140 that i always assume there's at least a set of guys out there that have some sort of sense

00:19:56.140 that something's not right

00:19:59.740 imagine the guy who has a stroke or had the heart attack when you ask him did did you feel funny

00:20:07.020 the day before, he's going to tell you, yeah, I didn't feel right, something was off, I

00:20:12.020 didn't feel right, I had a, my stomach was right, I felt a little dizzy, I felt a little

00:20:16.560 weak, but if you asked him that day before, do you think you're going to have a heart

00:20:20.980 attack tomorrow, he'd say, no, I just feel a little weak, I'm a little dizzy, my stomach

00:20:25.120 hurts.

00:20:26.540 So these systems, and that's the issue of complexity.

00:20:30.840 What complexity says is that, in fact, everything seems to go along, and people have seen that

00:20:35.980 One of the great examples of complex systems is sand dunes.

00:20:42.120 In fact, the sand keeps building up.

00:20:44.100 People have seen some, and all of a sudden, one more sand drop, and all the sand starts running down the hills.

00:20:53.780 That's the way I see the financial markets.

00:20:55.700 But you funded, hold on, one more time.

00:20:59.100 That analogy was brilliant.

00:21:00.300 Sand, drop, and all the sand starts running down the hills.

00:21:07.420 That's the way I see the financial markets.

00:21:09.140 But you funded Santa Fe in the early 90s or late 80s?

00:21:13.260 I believe it was early 90s. I can get back to you.

00:21:15.240 But early 90s, Santa Fe was funded for the study of complexity theory.

00:21:23.080 So let's back up.

00:21:25.180 So why did I buy a ranch in New Mexico in 1993?

00:21:28.700 So that gives you some sense.

00:21:30.060 So I would have funded it in 19...

00:21:31.240 One of his four major houses.

00:21:32.500 He had one in the Virgin Islands.

00:21:33.740 That's the Epstein Island.

00:21:35.340 Infamous one.

00:21:35.940 He had one in Manhattan.

00:21:36.760 That's where he stayed a lot of time.

00:21:38.060 Upper East Side on 81st Street.

00:21:40.240 He had one in New Mexico.

00:21:42.220 And he had a house in Big Mansion in Palm Beach.

00:21:45.600 Trafficking girls in each one.

00:21:47.020 In 90.

00:21:49.100 You're saying the ranch was never investigated well?

00:21:51.660 Los Alamos, which was the high energy lab up in New Mexico,

00:21:56.440 was losing all its scientists.

00:21:59.120 And Los Alamos, it was where Oppenheimer and where a lot of the...

00:22:03.720 Oppenheimer, also Jewish guy, created the atomic bomb.

00:22:06.000 Nuclear weapons program, the bomb.

00:22:07.440 That's where the Manhattan Project.

00:22:08.660 Manhattan Project was at Los Alamos.

00:22:11.620 And you bought your property out in New Mexico to be near that?

00:22:13.940 Yes, because the scientists were going to be...

00:22:16.020 They cut the funding for high-energy physics.

00:22:19.720 But the people who worked in Los Alamos would still be in the Santa Fe area.

00:22:23.380 They cut that because this was the Cold War dividend, right?

00:22:26.700 I don't remember exactly why.

00:22:29.180 It was because, again, people thought that physics and high-energy physics really wasn't that important.

00:22:34.100 Because that was about nuclear weapons.

00:22:36.140 No, it was because they decided it was maybe not right.

00:22:39.560 This was the same time that Murray Gell-Mann came up with the term quark, Q-U-A-R-K.

00:22:46.380 He picked it out of an old poem, the word quark.

00:22:49.860 But it was something, it was mysterious.

00:22:52.160 So they were starting to understand in the 90s

00:22:54.800 that in our world of the physical world,

00:22:58.180 there was things that were just unexplainable.

00:23:01.400 They called it strange things.

00:23:02.980 You gave it a name.

00:23:04.000 You gave it some characteristics.

00:23:06.120 You called it, it had charm.

00:23:07.660 It was one of the terms.

00:23:08.360 It had a charm.

00:23:09.080 It had a flavor.

00:23:10.080 It had a color.

00:23:11.780 But nobody really, no one, Mr. Bannon,

00:23:15.500 understood what it was.

00:23:17.960 Just like the financial system.

00:23:20.100 And you wanted to investigate that?

00:23:22.340 I wanted to see if we could build tools so others smarter than me could help investigate it.

00:23:27.780 And that was the beginning of your concept of the Santa Fe?

00:23:30.140 Lie. He wanted to see how he could use it to benefit Israel even more.

00:23:34.640 Institute.

00:23:35.240 Yes.

00:23:36.100 And Santa Fe Institute was founded to do study in this type of...

00:23:40.200 Can you, can these areas of strange...

00:23:43.740 Do you guys think he's still alive? I do.

00:23:46.840 I think he's in a disguise in Tel Aviv right now.

00:23:49.400 Yes or no? Is he alive? Yes or no, he's dead.

00:23:53.180 Things be described by some form of mathematics.

00:23:58.680 So that's what I'm trying to get at.

00:24:00.400 The foundational thought, the organizing principle of Santa Fe

00:24:05.440 in the high physics lab at Los Alamos,

00:24:10.940 which had been the headquarters of Manhattan and the Trinity Project, right, the bomb.

00:24:15.380 Yes.

00:24:15.660 So you're talking about the elite, the high priest.

00:24:18.640 Of physics.

00:24:19.400 of physics yes sir which high priest of physics some subset of that is also mathematics yes they're

00:24:25.400 both similar project out one of the tools you want to do is to make sure that in this complex system

00:24:32.200 the finance system i'm doing a lot of this for philanthropy and a lot for the good of mankind

00:24:35.880 but also to be able to understand this complex system the most complex outside of maybe our body

00:24:41.880 of the financial world yes did they create tools or were you were you smarter

00:24:47.640 in the mid-aughts

00:24:51.760 15 years later

00:24:53.580 than you had been then because of work that was done

00:24:55.940 at Santa Fe. No.

00:24:57.620 It was great. But in fact

00:24:59.980 most of the money, most of my philanthropy

00:25:02.000 in the area of can you

00:25:04.340 describe things

00:25:06.020 that appear to be unexplainable

00:25:07.840 by mathematics

00:25:09.980 and can you fund

00:25:12.140 people who have new ideas

00:25:13.400 and unfortunately when someone thinks

00:25:15.880 they've been able to

00:25:16.580 there was a man, Stuart Kaufman

00:25:19.100 when they think that, okay, I figured out

00:25:21.380 how to be able to predict

00:25:23.460 the unpredictable, what appears to other people

00:25:25.520 to be unpredictable, but my

00:25:27.280 system, in those days it was called

00:25:29.520 genetic algorithms, can

00:25:31.440 predict what things will happen

00:25:33.240 and they all want to make money. So they

00:25:35.300 use their systems to try to figure out

00:25:37.440 they know they have figured

00:25:39.520 out the way to make money

00:25:40.660 because they figured out the unexplainable

00:25:42.860 they try, they go bankrupt, and we start

00:25:45.500 again. So

00:25:46.720 with a cold view

00:25:48.940 what I've come to realize is that

00:25:51.240 the attempt to mathematize

00:25:53.540 formularize

00:25:55.120 or what in your prior work

00:25:57.080 to understand what really is

00:25:59.500 in today's world

00:26:00.940 still unexplainable

00:26:02.880 is impossible.

00:26:05.300 They're miracles.

00:26:08.320 Again I will call

00:26:09.400 them tragedies.

00:26:10.600 Your first head of Santa Fe was Christopher

00:26:13.260 Langdon.

00:26:15.500 from Australia. But Murray Gelman was the funder. He was the rock. Yes, he was the rock. He was a

00:26:22.560 Nobel Prize winner? Yes. Yes, and a wonderful guy. He came out. And this is Jeffrey Epstein with the

00:26:27.160 Talmud behind him, U.S. Army. It's like an ironic joke. Kind of like, this is similar to Nick wearing

00:26:33.900 the Epstein quarters hip. Obviously, like, what do you think he thinks about the U.S. Army? He was

00:26:39.400 very happy about the Iraq War. But picture behind him, this is the Talmud. Talmud is a series of

00:26:44.300 debates. It's a Jewish text, a series of debates, and this is where they

00:26:48.260 say, it says Jesus is burning in hell and feces and excrement.

00:26:53.360 And the justification is that the Talmud is not

00:26:56.120 meant for the Goy to read. The Talmud is just for, it's like debates

00:27:00.240 from the rabbis and God. So when you see

00:27:03.480 evangelists, evangelical Christians say Jews are the

00:27:08.200 chosen ones that can communicate with God, it's kind of in reference to this, like

00:27:12.140 the rabbis here who are literally debating with god imagine arguing with god god why would you do

00:27:19.700 this why would you do that why it helped us with the biosphere 2 project he came with chris landon

00:27:26.840 chris landon was the operator day-to-day chris was doing artificial life murray tried to lead

00:27:32.840 his own artificial life yes when chris came to biosphere 2 for the for the first subliminal um

00:27:40.320 big conference we had in 1994 he was one of the most impressive guys there among all the world's

00:27:46.240 elite kew gardens though lawrence livermore lab the the the labs at sandia um you know all the

00:27:52.880 all the major universities lamont doherty uh all the big earth observers woods hole what set langdon

00:27:59.280 apart i thought and the reason i invited santa fe to be part of it was langdon actually made a

00:28:04.240 presentation that everything and he was making this to okay quick point don't mean to keep

00:28:09.680 keep interrupting the video but someone in the chat just said all the Jews need to be deported

00:28:13.320 dude first off you realize part of the reason they released the Epstein files now is so that

00:28:18.260 what is written is that all the Jews are supposed to go to the homeland of Israel they don't just

00:28:25.800 want the Israelis that are currently there and to genocide all the the people in the surrounding

00:28:29.280 area they want all Jews to take over there and go there and return to the homeland the same way

00:28:34.780 they say black people should return to Africa that's the same thing so when you guys see the

00:28:38.840 epstein file and then you play into their hand by raising this up and saying fuck that up

00:28:43.660 they are allowing the epstein files to be released now by in part to let hatred rise

00:28:53.520 then they know that there's going to be this unifying oh we need to stick together

00:28:59.640 we're hated so much we're hated look at this hate on the internet we're hated so much we

00:29:03.720 all need to band together. Don't play into that. That's why it's released now. It's going to be

00:29:09.620 used. All these chats here are going to be used as justification to expand greater Israel. So

00:29:14.380 that's a safe home. The whole Middle East could be a safety net for Jews. Don't play into that.

00:29:24.180 Scientists, a lot of marine biologists, a lot of people that are just beginning,

00:29:27.160 Wally Broker and people who are just beginning the study of climate change at that time called

00:29:31.480 global warming, that he made this compelling presentation that everything's really mathematics.

00:29:37.980 It's all just back to math.

00:29:41.580 All these experiments you do, one of the reasons they're not considered by the high priest

00:29:46.560 in physics as being real experiments is that they don't have a mathematical basis to it

00:29:52.000 and everything has a mathematical basis to it.

00:29:54.860 Langdon seemed like a radical visionary.

00:29:59.460 What happened to that concept?

00:30:03.620 You go back 350 years, so you have Isaac Newton, you have Leibniz, from move forward

00:30:11.840 you have people like Heisenberg and Gerdel, and what every one of those mathematicians

00:30:20.120 and philosophers came to understand is that there's something with, there's numbers can

00:30:26.540 describe certain things, approximate certain things, but in fact, trying to put measurements

00:30:34.820 and numbers on other things that are really unexplainable is folly.

00:30:41.680 So 300 years ago, they said that unexplainable realm was God, and people who attempted, in

00:30:50.920 fact, to explain the unexplainable, who said, yes, I understand the unexplainable, were

00:30:56.940 charlatans, they were the occults, they were the astrologers, they were the con men.

00:31:03.220 Alchemists.

00:31:04.060 Yes.

00:31:04.580 Well, no, alchemists was, in fact, they believed that there was a way to transmute one metal

00:31:10.680 into another.

00:31:11.340 In fact, they always wanted to see if they can create gold.

00:31:13.280 There's no reason, if you think about it, they recognize that one metal is different

00:31:19.460 than another metal because it has some additional pieces to it. It has additional neutrons or

00:31:24.300 protons or electrons. So because they thought it was a machine, that they believed it was

00:31:31.440 a machine, if I can take five protons and add five, that gives me ten, I should be able

00:31:36.500 to get gold. Move everything around inside these systems, the molecules, transmute one

00:31:43.720 molecule into another. And if this molecule I've transmuted it into is gold, I'm a rich

00:31:48.280 man. It's back to money. But there's something strange happens. Isaac Newton says, this is

00:31:57.500 really weird. If I want to push a ball on the table, I have to touch it. Maybe I have to blow

00:32:04.780 on it. But I actually have to push one side of the ball or the book to move that side. I'm pushing

00:32:12.120 here, and obviously this thing is what appears to us humans to be solid, so it moves as one

00:32:19.220 thing.

00:32:20.280 But the only way to get something to move was to touch it or put a force against it.

00:32:26.620 Okay.

00:32:27.340 It seems to make sense.

00:32:28.160 Everybody has that experience.

00:32:29.360 You know, I want to lift a glass, I lift it.

00:32:31.640 If I want to push a ball, I push it.

00:32:33.320 If I want to pull a ball, I pull it.

00:32:34.600 But he recognized when the ball fell off the table, fell off the table, it went in a different direction.

00:32:45.120 How is that possible?

00:32:45.840 Nobody pushed the ball down.

00:32:48.540 And he said, this is crazy.

00:32:50.900 Why did the ball go down?

00:32:53.560 I didn't push it.

00:32:54.680 I just let it go.

00:32:57.280 So someone's pushing the ball.

00:32:59.580 because I know, I am confident that the only thing

00:33:02.540 that gets something to move is with a force that pushes.

00:33:05.660 So there's a force that's pushing the ball down.

00:33:08.900 In fact, he called it gravity.

00:33:13.620 He measured how fast it was pulled,

00:33:18.140 but never was able to explain why it happened.

00:33:22.320 How is it, what is gravity?

00:33:24.820 It's this, everybody says,

00:33:26.520 well, why did the ball fall to the ground?

00:33:28.060 because gravity took it.

00:33:28.980 But what's gravity?

00:33:30.320 That's, as Feynman would say,

00:33:32.220 that's the name of the thing.

00:33:33.480 We have no idea what it is.

00:33:35.940 This goes to Santa Fe.

00:33:37.840 They were trying to put,

00:33:39.380 explain the unexplainable.

00:33:41.620 Can we measure,

00:33:43.600 can we figure out a way

00:33:44.580 to predict the stock markets

00:33:46.060 using these types of chaos complexes?

00:33:49.960 They could have figured it out.

00:33:50.660 Let's walk back through.

00:33:51.980 He's cooking.

00:33:53.100 Whoa, whoa, let him.

00:33:54.200 Oh, this is the most annoying interview.

00:33:56.680 He was getting somewhere.

00:33:58.060 What he was about to do was prove the unprovable.

00:34:04.000 Let me explain.

00:34:05.320 Well, it's very simple.

00:34:06.060 It's just God.

00:34:07.840 That's God.

00:34:09.920 When science only goes so far, physics only goes so far,

00:34:14.800 and there is something that humans are not able to describe,

00:34:18.940 it must be God.

00:34:20.880 It must be something greater.

00:34:23.660 And he was just getting there.

00:34:24.900 and that's why I think there's a little bit of remorse on his face no matter how evil this man

00:34:30.100 was still a human no matter how much he thinks he's better than the goy how much he thinks he's

00:34:35.380 chosen that everybody exists just to serve him there's still a human there and humans are not

00:34:44.040 meant to submit to themselves and worship themselves in this world the remorses and

00:34:48.340 what you saw in his face is he knows he's going to die soon this is the end of his life and he's

00:34:52.980 going to have to be judged for his actions that's what god exists that's why god exists there's many

00:34:58.360 reasons why but god is the is the ultimate judge and knows everything we've done deep down we all

00:35:06.020 know whether or not you believe in god we know that everything we do someone is going to hold

00:35:11.300 us accountable for what you do when nobody is looking that that moral conundrum you have before

00:35:19.620 you decide to lie or steal or cheat or snake someone or you know that there's there's that

00:35:26.080 remorse here that's telling you they're doing the wrong thing and deep down you really know

00:35:31.860 that someone's gonna that someone is watching pre-newton and then newton what did newton solve

00:35:41.120 that for millennia up to newton had not been solved now chad do you see regret on his face

00:35:47.860 I see an aging old man with regret, whether or not he realizes it.

00:35:54.280 I want to go for it all the way to Santa Fe, what they were trying to solve.

00:35:57.080 Let's start with just two or three of the basic guys, but let's go with Newton.

00:36:00.820 Pre-Newton, it was what?

00:36:02.460 And then why is Newton such a genius?

00:36:08.700 I think mathematically they told me one time I've seen there's been 115 billion people roughly that have lived on the earth.

00:36:15.820 of that $115 billion.

00:36:18.680 Are you sure that's a number? That sounds very high.

00:36:20.700 We only have seven now.

00:36:21.960 I'm a numbers guy.

00:36:22.780 I think the history of the earth, I think,

00:36:24.740 I'll pull up the stat for you,

00:36:27.560 but I think it's 115 billion people, they figure.

00:36:29.920 That probably is inflation, that's why you should.

00:36:31.680 Have lived through the earth.

00:36:34.680 But he's on the handful of the most important.

00:36:37.240 You're saying I'm falling for his act.

00:36:38.620 I don't think he's putting on an act.

00:36:40.260 I think he's trying to convince himself otherwise.

00:36:42.960 I think he's trying to convince himself against God, but he can't.

00:36:45.820 So what did he solve for?

00:36:47.720 Why is he so important for how we live today?

00:36:50.000 And then we want to go through Leibniz and the other three other major ones to get us to Santa Fe.

00:36:55.880 Well, it's a long journey.

00:36:58.300 This is the heart of what we're trying to do.

00:37:00.880 Let me take a bit of a detour just a second.

00:37:04.260 If you went to high school and the last year in your high school, you took calculus.

00:37:11.440 So Isaac Newton sort of invents calculus.

00:37:14.120 Well, that sounds advanced.

00:37:15.940 You know, mathematicians.

00:37:17.480 To torture seniors in high school before they graduate.

00:37:19.840 Yes, but obviously, no, yes, the answer is yes.

00:37:21.960 Shut up, Goy.

00:37:22.600 Certain people can never do calculus.

00:37:25.580 Why is that?

00:37:26.260 Why is calculus so, why is that the dividing line between, you know, to me,

00:37:32.180 people who can handle that and can go on to do certain things

00:37:36.240 and people just hit the wall even if they know math?

00:37:39.040 It seems to me that calculus is the thing that changes.

00:37:43.040 that changes, it bridges, that's because it's about the theory of change, the theory of

00:37:50.540 how things change.

00:37:51.740 Right now Steve Bannon's intimidated that Jeffrey Epstein's smarter than him and so

00:37:54.820 he's trying to compensate and sound smart.

00:37:56.860 That's why he's stuttering over himself.

00:37:58.580 He feels inferior in his presence.

00:38:00.720 It's a great question, but in fact what calculus does is it's somewhat philosophical.

00:38:06.940 That's why mathematics is, you know they used to, Newton wasn't a mathematician, he was

00:38:11.440 called a geometer.

00:38:12.900 what they used to call themselves. They understood geometry and numbers. But there's an old conundrum

00:38:22.340 where it says, during Pythagoras days, Zeno's Paradox, it's called, where they said, well,

00:38:30.760 if I take, if the wall is two feet away from me, and I take one step that's halfway to

00:38:35.740 the wall, that'll be one foot away. And if I take another step that's half again, that'll

00:38:41.560 be half a foot away, and then a quarter of a foot, I could walk forever, but never touch

00:38:46.140 the wall.

00:38:47.580 Kiss the wall.

00:38:48.000 Doesn't sound realistic, doesn't make any sense in our real lives of the physical.

00:38:52.520 It's always a wall, huh?

00:38:53.700 But what Newton understood is many problems were like that.

00:38:57.060 Many things approached the wall, or in calculus, approached the limit, but never really reached

00:39:05.680 it.

00:39:06.820 So he said, it's okay, you don't have to reach it.

00:39:09.060 we can do lots of the mathematics as if it was so close it was almost there.

00:39:15.720 And we could do lots of mathematics almost being at the limit.

00:39:19.560 And this is really important, Steve.

00:39:21.060 Who the fuck are these people? Is it Jelaine Maxwell?

00:39:22.740 Who the fuck are these people in the bank?

00:39:24.240 Today.

00:39:25.600 Because most of the science up until today

00:39:28.420 was things that are starting to approach the limit.

00:39:32.880 you were taught in high school that if you had one divided by zero

00:39:42.060 if you remember your high school algebra you were told what's the answer to that is there

00:39:49.880 an answer to one divided by zero you know my favorite explanation for the existence of god is

00:39:54.720 is that everything doesn't start with zero they say that zero is the first number not really

00:40:00.140 zero is nothing. The first starts with one.

00:40:04.460 Everything in math, math is infinite, right? It can go on forever. It keeps being

00:40:08.080 created. It keeps going. It keeps multiplying. But it starts with one. One is the greatest

00:40:12.240 number. You can't have the rest without one.

00:40:17.120 Zero is nothing. There's no universe, no creation at all.

00:40:20.720 And then there's one. And everything

00:40:23.440 grows from there. I think math actually

00:40:28.300 proves God's existence.

00:40:31.560 No, if you were in high school,

00:40:33.080 I'd say, stay away from it.

00:40:34.580 It's the boogeyman.

00:40:35.980 You could write it down as it's undefined.

00:40:40.020 It's not able to be determined.

00:40:43.640 There's a bunch of things.

00:40:46.240 But in fact,

00:40:47.600 one divided by zero

00:40:48.700 is a strange things happen.

00:40:50.580 It's a world of the strange.

00:40:52.760 And what I'll explain to you after

00:40:54.900 is that when you get one divided by zero,

00:40:58.160 or you get into a world, we don't know what happens.

00:41:00.200 The answer is it's not explainable.

00:41:02.560 We can call it things like undetermined.

00:41:05.620 We can have a convention to say it's X, Y, or Z.

00:41:09.620 But in real life, we don't know what happens

00:41:11.560 when you are actually at the limit.

00:41:16.120 So Newton thought the same concept

00:41:19.300 is that the limits were filled with God.

00:41:21.920 You got close to God, but you can never be God.

00:41:24.600 He had this sort of religious interpretation.

00:41:26.120 Sounds like he agrees.

00:41:26.840 okay i want to go back to newt whoa whoa whoa whoa why are you abandoned right when he starts

00:41:32.480 getting somewhere and why is it so intriguing here i'm hearing him talk about you know i it's it's

00:41:39.020 because i think it ties into the the old man and the regret knowing where he's gonna go fighting

00:41:45.400 against his own function that god's real his whole life has been against that has been just serving

00:41:52.180 the self and that i'm the chosen one and everyone here's to serve me thinking he's greater than

00:41:56.520 others right serving the ego and here he is older on like and he's like man i've been trying my whole

00:42:03.220 life to prove that god doesn't exist and i just there's no explanation sort of religious

00:42:09.460 interpretation okay i want to go back to newton why is newton such a big dividing line in mankind's

00:42:16.640 history what is it about newton what is about him what he's trying to solve what did they not know

00:42:20.900 beforehand and what because we live to a degree in a newtonian universe although i realized later

00:42:27.860 some sub-particle atomic physics but at least for a while it was newtonian so what's the dividing

00:42:34.100 why is he so important why is he an inflection point in mankind's movement from the swamp to

00:42:40.260 the stars it's a great question the stars was by kepler with what newton starts to allow us to do

00:42:46.820 is to make predictions, accurate predictions, remember that we've got talked about that with

00:42:51.980 money, about the things in our physical world. How cars, but he didn't have cars, how horse

00:43:00.380 carriages moved, how things, how bowling balls moved, how pool cues and pool, excuse me, pool

00:43:07.620 table balls.

00:43:08.620 Had people tried to solve that before Newton?

00:43:10.620 Many, many.

00:43:12.540 Pericolitis or, you know, Plotinus, Pythagoras had these greats.

00:43:18.000 You see how Steve Bannon is trying to compensate and just say words to sound smart?

00:43:23.060 They try to solve the same problem?

00:43:24.840 Not the same problem.

00:43:26.000 They try to, again, what Pythagoras does, he starts to figure out these relationships in triangles.

00:43:33.640 For example, everyone knows the a squared plus b squared is equal to c squared.

00:43:36.740 the Pythagorean theorem, which basically says these shapes in a triangle, each side of the

00:43:44.720 triangle, has a fixed relationship with the other two sides. That's strange. He knew, again, but it

00:43:53.900 was all numbers. This was a system of things in the physical world, and Pythagoras says we can

00:44:00.000 start putting numbers on things that help you predict how they will behave. Pythagoras is a

00:44:06.720 different shapes. They're looking at geometric forms. Newton says, well, I want to know how

00:44:16.080 planets move. I want to know how things around me move. Can we find formulas? Can I find formulas

00:44:23.380 that... I actually think he's being mostly truthful in this. Even though he is lying sometimes,

00:44:27.720 I think he doesn't really see the need to try to defend himself in the way that he would in

00:44:33.020 in past interviews because he knows what his fate is and so what's really intriguing to him is

00:44:38.680 these philosophical spiritual conversations explain what i see in the physical world how

00:44:45.840 physical things interact and how they describe one another again the fact that two things two

00:44:54.840 solid masses for some very strange unknown reason unknown today attract one another

00:45:02.520 no matter what they are.

00:45:04.320 People have seen the experiment.

00:45:05.540 You hang something, two little metal balls from a string.

00:45:09.240 They move towards each other.

00:45:12.500 In fact, they move towards each other with a very specific.

00:45:18.640 So when you drop the ball to the floor of this room,

00:45:25.620 Newton says, in fact, the room came up a bit to meet the ball.

00:45:30.340 The room moved.

00:45:31.660 You can't really perceive that motion, but they attracted each other with certain ratios.

00:45:37.760 So he started to be able to measure things in the physical world.

00:45:41.980 And that was great advances.

00:45:45.380 It also, you know, you wanted to move very quickly.

00:45:49.040 Unfortunately, most people, especially in the 20th century, 19th century,

00:45:53.260 said, well, like Newton, let's measure everything.

00:45:57.120 Let's measure people's behavior.

00:46:00.680 let's measure their psychology

00:46:02.140 let's measure their health

00:46:03.800 we can have my blood test

00:46:06.800 let's measure everything

00:46:07.660 their voting habits

00:46:09.720 measure, measure, measure

00:46:11.640 can we put a number on how much I care for my wife

00:46:14.540 numbers guy

00:46:15.220 can I put a number on how I feel

00:46:18.220 not really

00:46:19.120 and we tried

00:46:20.840 unfortunately we tried to mathematize

00:46:24.220 the finer things in life

00:46:26.120 and then recognized

00:46:27.960 that there was things

00:46:29.460 that unfortunately just fall outside.

00:46:33.380 Everyone, Schrodinger wrote a very famous book

00:46:36.100 about what is life.

00:46:37.860 He was trying to figure out a way.

00:46:39.880 Can he describe the difference

00:46:42.440 formulaically between things that are alive

00:46:46.240 and things that are dead?

00:46:47.020 The answer is no.

00:46:48.600 The things that are alive in my world

00:46:50.620 are miracles, not magic.

00:46:53.720 Magic has a bad connotation.

00:46:55.840 You don't believe in the spirit or the soul?

00:46:58.400 that's what animates people is your spirit or your soul no but you've said have you ever seen

00:47:02.720 someone die when they die their spirit leaves their soul leaves no question so there's no

00:47:07.120 question to you no question what there's no question to you that there is some animating

00:47:12.320 life force within us that leaves when you're dead yes in fact i refer to the soul this obviously a

00:47:19.280 certain the questions in the past even though i would normally think you were soulless so thank

00:47:25.600 Thank you.

00:47:25.880 Have you just, no, but have you.

00:47:47.000 Or to the soul, this obviously is certain, the questions in the past, even during.

00:47:52.340 Because people would normally think you were soulless.

00:47:54.140 so thank you have you just no but have you talk about you actually believe in it it's like a

00:47:59.560 i was looking deeper into that there is it's some there's truth in every joke of course

00:48:06.020 he does kind of like that he the fact that a goy thinks that he's an evil person okay well yeah

00:48:11.500 that's what i'm supposed to do is why i'm here but also it is kind of like an off-color like

00:48:15.700 woody allen joke you know like oh you're kind of short oh thanks you know like from an insecurity

00:48:21.380 Oh, you're just going to say, oh, well, that's a self-esteem joke.

00:48:24.920 And have done some thinking about it.

00:48:27.220 It's pretty shocking in its own right, isn't it?

00:48:29.520 Well, again, Leibniz and Leibniz thought.

00:48:34.520 You know Newton was at Cambridge, and he was the head of the math department, right?

00:48:37.740 He's a professor, essentially.

00:48:39.500 But Leibniz, was Leibniz a German professor?

00:48:42.080 Yes.

00:48:42.740 But what Leibniz said is, the soul is so strange.

00:48:47.360 Because God took chemicals, which is simply the material, like tables, and he somehow made this material able to have a thought.

00:48:58.400 How strange is that?

00:49:00.240 Not only does it have a soul, but there's some way it was put together that this material substance is able to think.

00:49:11.040 So when you say to me, it's obvious to everyone that there's such a thing as a soul.

00:49:16.740 Now, if you're part of the charlatanville, you'll try to explain it to people.

00:49:21.760 The soul, I describe, is the dark matter of the brain.

00:49:26.980 Why does it dark matter?

00:49:28.120 Because in high-energy physics nowadays, you hear terms of dark matter, dark energy.

00:49:34.800 Again, terminology, complicated terminology.

00:49:37.660 Why is it dark matter? Because we can't see it.

00:49:40.260 What do you mean you can't see it?

00:49:41.980 Well, somehow we see something moving towards this area of darkness.

00:49:48.180 Something, I can see this thing, this appears to me to be empty, it's just black, but I

00:49:54.360 see it being drawn this way.

00:49:57.760 So I say, well, I know if this were matter, that would follow that equation.

00:50:02.300 If this was solid, it would explain the way this particle moves.

00:50:07.600 but I can't see anything here so I'll just call it dark matter and I'll say I don't know what it is

00:50:15.600 but it behaves as if there was something there the soul is obvious to everyone

00:50:21.200 that there's something different between things that are alive and things that are not alive

00:50:26.580 but we have no idea what it is it's currently unexplainable I believe we need an entirely

00:50:33.580 different system of analysis to try to figure out, sorry. No, with Newton, you know, with all his

00:50:43.240 alchemic study, chemical studies, and things he worked on the spiritual side, Leibniz that just

00:50:49.880 talked about the soul, Schroeder talked about what his life, if a modern scientist or someone that you

00:50:55.180 funded at MIT or Harvard or one of these things talked in those types of terms, they would be

00:51:00.480 considered to be a wingnut today, wouldn't they?

00:51:02.880 They would not be on the

00:51:04.520 path for tenure.

00:51:06.940 Right?

00:51:08.180 Unless they were in the philosophy department.

00:51:10.620 This is exactly my point. We're talking about

00:51:12.440 three of the greatest mathematicians

00:51:14.280 in mankind's history that have

00:51:16.380 really changed mankind. Talking like this,

00:51:18.540 what happened? How did we get to a situation

00:51:20.460 where they could not

00:51:22.420 be in the high physics,

00:51:24.160 they could not be in the mathematics

00:51:26.320 department or working in

00:51:28.220 high energy physics? Good. It's an easy answer.

00:51:31.400 Newton was a combination of mathematician, or geometer then, and philosopher.

00:51:36.880 And as time went on, those disciplines seemed to move apart.

00:51:41.140 We had philosophy, some of the philosophers can't do math, and some of the mathematicians.

00:51:46.140 And again, mathematicians often break into two categories.

00:51:49.060 People that solve problems, those are more like geometrists than the old, they're just problem solvers.

00:51:54.820 And then there's thinkers, theoreticians.

00:51:57.900 They're more like the old movement towards philosophy.

00:52:01.940 But neither one of those two groups have been able to figure out

00:52:05.020 why something is alive as opposed to something that's not alive.

00:52:09.420 No one's been able to describe what the soul is, but we all know it exists.

00:52:14.620 He just said, everybody believes in God.

00:52:18.220 We all know innately that God is real and that there is a soul.

00:52:25.080 There's something metaphysical.

00:52:27.200 he just described the idea.

00:52:31.260 What's the word?

00:52:32.940 There's a word in Christianity, the word in Islam is, is it?

00:52:38.840 Fitra, yes, fitra.

00:52:40.740 The innate feeling that there's one God and that we're here to worship him.

00:52:47.340 And that's our sole purpose, our sole function.

00:52:50.460 Something that humans sometimes need to figure out, but that's because we stray away.

00:52:53.520 and we can get on to the

00:52:55.240 we get wrapped up in dunya

00:52:57.160 but a lot of animals

00:52:59.460 they don't have that same crisis

00:53:01.860 maybe it's a lack of information

00:53:03.780 maybe it's

00:53:05.880 simplicity but they're just born and they know what to do

00:53:08.020 like an ant is born

00:53:09.960 and just starts working on the hill

00:53:11.260 just starts working

00:53:12.360 he

00:53:15.420 what he's describing is

00:53:17.920 similar to Christianity but he's also

00:53:19.900 describing Islam

00:53:20.640 and my i think um what we need is a new science is a bad word i think science only describes the

00:53:30.180 things we already know about the physical world and i'm saying shake epstein and stuff obviously

00:53:35.140 but this is why i think this interview is so incredible is because it's laid on you can see

00:53:41.280 that he's tried so hard he had that ranch in new mexico close to nuclear facilities

00:53:46.280 to try to prove things that were unproven.

00:53:49.260 He spent so much time and money and energy

00:53:51.620 into trying to figure out why God doesn't exist

00:53:55.700 through mathematics, through philosophy,

00:53:58.760 through calculus.

00:54:01.320 He's been doing research his whole life.

00:54:03.780 He's described it right here.

00:54:05.720 Newton, Pythagoras, and he couldn't figure it out.

00:54:09.600 And he just had to submit.

00:54:11.420 Ironically, he just had to submit

00:54:13.020 and admit that God exists,

00:54:15.840 that God is real. We have a soul.

00:54:19.620 It's like

00:54:20.060 he doesn't sound

00:54:21.720 frustrated here. It's more like

00:54:23.520 admittance of defeat in a way

00:54:25.500 because he would not have arrived at this conclusion

00:54:27.980 he would not have arrived at this conclusion

00:54:29.820 without trying

00:54:31.900 actively to

00:54:33.380 disprove God's existence.

00:54:36.220 In fact, there's an argument that

00:54:37.860 the physical world that we see

00:54:39.500 has been created

00:54:41.300 out of our systems

00:54:43.400 of mathematics.

00:54:45.840 Mathematics, everyone knows mathematics describes the physical world much greater than it should.

00:54:52.500 Unless you, my view, the physical world really comes out of...

00:54:57.280 I didn't say Epstein proved God is real.

00:54:59.360 Anybody could prove that.

00:55:00.940 But he just, it's an admittance of defeat.

00:55:05.200 He just had, because it's not like he, it's not like we need anybody to prove God is real.

00:55:09.300 God is real.

00:55:10.240 There is God.

00:55:11.780 You know, it's whether or not you choose to believe him or not.

00:55:14.780 It's your choice. You can see he's chosen to admit what he tried to disprove.

00:55:21.500 Conscious beings that have mathematics, so they create it.

00:55:25.240 This table appears to you and I to be solid.

00:55:29.180 To a bat, because we have light that's bouncing off the table into our eyes, it appears solid.

00:55:38.020 If instead of eyes that responded to wavelengths of visual light, our eyes responded to radio waves, the radio frequencies, it's not different. It's the same type of frequency as light with different speeds.

00:55:56.160 the table is invisible

00:55:58.120 we know that our phone works

00:56:00.420 in this room

00:56:01.180 so the waves are coming through the windows

00:56:04.620 the waves are coming through the walls

00:56:06.160 so the walls are invisible

00:56:08.500 to that type of radiation

00:56:10.480 that type of energy

00:56:12.080 the walls are

00:56:13.500 I can see them because my eyes

00:56:16.760 a physical system

00:56:19.100 determines that

00:56:20.180 the walls are there

00:56:21.760 you

00:56:22.940 with Murray Gilder

00:56:25.840 You founded, or the original donor, had the idea of Santa Fe Institute.

00:56:33.340 Ten or fifteen years later, that effort to study the complexity of systems mathematically

00:56:40.780 was essentially a failure.

00:56:44.340 A total failure?

00:56:45.100 Total failure.

00:56:46.000 Why is that?

00:56:47.240 It's the failure of science because, in fact, to some extent, science doesn't describe romance.

00:56:54.760 I don't know why I'm attracted to somebody.

00:56:57.600 Children.

00:56:57.840 I don't know.

00:56:58.660 People are attracted to each other.

00:57:00.120 Everyone has the same feeling.

00:57:01.920 They've seen someone walk in the room and they say, oh, that person gives me a creepy feeling.

00:57:07.840 Science doesn't describe what creepy feelings means.

00:57:12.240 They just know.

00:57:14.040 It's like when women are able to intuitively know when somebody is a liar.

00:57:19.120 Women can get the, it's obviously over described the ick.

00:57:21.880 but women have a different emotional intelligence and a lot of times it's overstated they think

00:57:28.360 that crying is emotional intelligence but if you've ever been around a smart pious woman

00:57:33.300 she can smell bullshit far quicker than you can and it's not through pattern recognition it's

00:57:40.680 something it's something within creepy feeling i think women as i said the last time

00:57:47.920 have an intuitive sense.

00:57:51.120 What is intuitive?

00:57:51.940 They have intuition, they have feelings,

00:57:54.440 and they're able to deal in the realm

00:57:56.560 of things that men, especially men like myself,

00:58:01.240 find unexplainable.

00:58:03.260 They have great, women have intuition,

00:58:06.600 men see things a bit differently.

00:58:08.840 Men want to measure everything.

00:58:10.400 Women are not really that interested in measuring.

00:58:13.000 is that

00:58:20.900 well he's a smart guy he's a smart he's

00:58:25.300 in what you're saying in macro terms you actually think science mathematics maybe ultimately

00:58:34.840 technology. I'm not Epstein, bro.

00:58:37.540 I'm not Epstein.

00:58:39.660 Whoa.

00:58:40.400 This is common.

00:58:42.580 Most people know this.

00:58:43.940 More intuitive. I think science

00:58:46.940 and math. I should end

00:58:48.740 the stream.

00:58:51.480 I gotta end. No, I'm sorry.

00:58:52.780 Old fashioned.

00:58:54.860 And unfortunately, people are still

00:58:56.860 taught that they have to learn algebra

00:58:58.820 in school and certain things

00:59:00.880 in school as opposed to

00:59:02.620 learning to

00:59:03.660 Is this what Larry Summers was trying to get at?

00:59:08.140 Maybe he didn't say it perfectly enough.

00:59:10.600 Chad, does our hair look similar?

00:59:14.220 What he was trying to get to in that system, the systems we study today,

00:59:19.560 the way mathematics is either taught or understood,

00:59:22.760 that women just haven't gotten up to the highest realms of engineering or physics or mathematics because of that.

00:59:29.040 and you're actually implying that there's either a new branch of science

00:59:33.000 where you've hit an inflection point like a Newton that's going to go in a...

00:59:36.280 Newton took mankind in a different direction because he was able to measure.

00:59:41.080 Then you had subatomic, non-Newtonian physics later.

00:59:45.240 Are you saying that you think there's another developing field that's coming up

00:59:49.140 that may take us, I don't know, how many decades to get our hands around,

00:59:52.940 but that that's what's evolving out of this?

00:59:54.960 Yes.

00:59:56.240 Yeah.

00:59:56.460 In fact, I think that mathematics, it's not the end of science.

01:00:01.580 Every year someone says it's the end of, we can't discover everything.

01:00:04.600 There's lots to discover with a relationship to the physical world, but we know a lot already.

01:00:09.700 In respect to the unexplainable world, we almost know nothing.

01:00:15.160 Women, again, sense it.

01:00:17.280 And instead of Larry Summers, I won't digress too much,

01:00:21.240 But Howard Gardner, early on, said there's not one form of intelligence.

01:00:27.500 It's not mathematical intelligence.

01:00:29.660 There's emotional intelligence.

01:00:31.860 There's kinesthetic intelligence.

01:00:34.520 You know, there's this argument that I reject that black people are less intelligent than white people.

01:00:40.300 It's not true.

01:00:42.200 We know, for example, that if I was in the forest and I had to run from the lion

01:00:48.980 or figure out a way not to be eaten,

01:00:51.540 and my competition is a local African,

01:00:56.400 I'm the one who's getting eaten

01:00:58.240 because they have the intelligence

01:00:59.840 to deal with their local environment.

01:01:02.880 So it's just different.

01:01:04.380 It's not better, it's not worse,

01:01:05.700 but there's many differences

01:01:06.780 amongst different types of people.

01:01:09.140 And so people have different intelligences

01:01:11.140 and they excel in some intelligences usually

01:01:13.940 and less so in others.

01:01:17.020 Is she bringing up race IQ?

01:01:19.680 When did it come to you?

01:01:21.420 Because the world of high finance is a world of pure reason,

01:01:26.420 or is it a lot of emotion and gut checks on trading desks and central banks

01:01:32.920 when these decisions get made?

01:01:34.800 Is it that high church, like the high church of science, of high energy physics,

01:01:40.720 or is it as much emotion that comes in as much as the mathematics and the reason?

01:01:45.680 That's a great question.

01:01:47.480 I think if you talk to really experienced and successful traders

01:01:51.520 and you ask them how they know what's going on,

01:01:55.540 they can't give you an answer.

01:01:56.920 They don't know.

01:01:58.580 They feel it.

01:01:59.800 They can feel the way the market's moving.

01:02:01.860 They can feel the way the stock's moving.

01:02:04.100 And these are not very well-defined terms.

01:02:06.400 It's difficult to put in mathematics terms,

01:02:09.900 how did I feel it?

01:02:11.120 You could look back and make guesses what I was seeing.

01:02:13.480 but great traders feel it and then act on their feelings that's the difference many people feel

01:02:22.080 it but are afraid because they want a mathematical justification before they take that next one saying

01:02:27.740 follow your intuition follow your gut feeling and a lot of people try to get there in different

01:02:32.440 places this is why a lot of high investment traders and you know billionaire traders this

01:02:38.920 is why they speak to witches and demons this is why they try to get to that space you could see

01:02:46.360 extremely rich people have always tried to cheat the system they've always tried to to be able to

01:02:51.580 hack it and figure out metaphysical knowledge and not for any greater good but just to become

01:02:57.360 wealthier trying to to cheat what we're supposed to do through things like which is all demonic

01:03:03.980 Like witchcraft, numerology, astrology, trying to make connections.

01:03:08.040 Even athletes at a high level will try to do witchcraft and different things.

01:03:13.600 Clap the smoke everywhere.

01:03:16.820 Try to put a spell on everyone.

01:03:21.540 Because it's not just about ability.

01:03:23.760 It's not just about, it's not something you can describe.

01:03:26.980 It's knowing, you know, it is the admittance that everything happens for a reason

01:03:30.660 and that everything is already predetermined.

01:03:32.940 So trying to change the outcome of what was already supposed to happen.

01:03:38.200 Day traders at this level, and obviously Epstein's been with all of them,

01:03:43.040 they know that at a certain point, you're not going to be able,

01:03:46.360 unless you can do inside trading and you can market predictions,

01:03:49.060 but it's really, it goes deeper than that.

01:03:54.040 And there is some advice in there.

01:03:56.320 There is some advice that we could take from there.

01:03:58.980 I do believe in trusting your gut feeling,

01:04:01.560 But I don't think you can trust your gut feeling.

01:04:03.120 Sometimes you can always be clouded, right?

01:04:05.860 If your mind's in the wrong place, if you're taking in the wrong information, say if you're,

01:04:10.340 you can't make a very important decision if you're extremely horny or if you're extremely

01:04:13.700 angry, if you're extremely emotional, don't make a major decision.

01:04:17.460 But I remember I had this feeling when I wanted to drop out of college.

01:04:20.600 It was this gut feeling.

01:04:22.120 It was one of the hardest decisions, if not the hardest in my life to drop out.

01:04:25.500 It was, it was taking over, not in a, like an evil way.

01:04:29.080 It was like consuming my body.

01:04:31.600 And I just, I knew intuitively there

01:04:33.660 that this was the decision that I needed to make.

01:04:38.180 And obviously that doesn't make sense on paper.

01:04:40.660 Everybody who would do market predictions

01:04:42.780 or place stocks upon my success or not,

01:04:45.320 everybody would say that that was a failure,

01:04:47.500 that I would be a failure.

01:04:48.920 But it gets to a point where you have to trust yourself more

01:04:52.620 and trust your intuition and trust something great,

01:04:55.400 trust in something greater.

01:04:56.500 When you first got on the trading desk at Bear Stearns in the late 70s or mid-70s,

01:05:02.800 were you shocked by how little actual understanding of mathematics that the traders comprehended?

01:05:10.260 Yeah, again, we had a Texas Instrument calculator.

01:05:12.540 Most stockbrokers, especially before 1975, if they were good stockbrokers, could add.

01:05:19.900 That's about it.

01:05:21.240 If you could multiply, you were already in the top 15% of stockbrokers.

01:05:25.100 stockbrokers simply meant

01:05:27.220 there's a story

01:05:29.200 when I went to the first person

01:05:31.720 I had no money

01:05:32.700 and I said how much money do you make a year

01:05:34.780 and he said $400,000

01:05:38.040 I said impossible

01:05:40.520 he's saying you're fucking poor

01:05:42.440 I'm making $10,000

01:05:44.280 that's probably more than your family

01:05:45.720 he had made in his entire existence

01:05:47.620 and he makes it in a year

01:05:49.700 I said what do you do

01:05:50.600 and he said it's too complicated for you to understand

01:05:54.280 which is what the main thrust of Wall Street people

01:05:59.600 they want to tell you it's too complicated

01:06:01.360 because if you understood that that person was simply

01:06:05.660 he had a brother-in-law in fact in this case

01:06:07.920 who ran the pension fund at General Motors

01:06:09.780 his brother-in-law would call him and say buy a thousand IBM

01:06:13.020 he'd hang up the phone, he'd write it out on a ticket

01:06:16.160 and walk it to a window

01:06:17.940 that was his entire skill set

01:06:20.940 Hello, write what my brother-in-law says, walk it to a ticket window.

01:06:26.540 Give me an example, when you were on the trading desk in the early days of Bear Stearns,

01:06:30.140 of a time that you felt either complete uncertainty or you saw total panic,

01:06:34.840 where something was happening that people couldn't foretell

01:06:38.240 and that they were like in an airplane cockpit where it's going wrong.

01:06:43.740 Walk us through that.

01:06:45.680 In 1978, I think it was, across the news wires, there had been a collapse of the currency in Thailand.

01:06:56.420 On the other side of the world, had no relationship to me.

01:07:00.320 I wasn't sure where Thailand was.

01:07:02.740 But the fact that a currency, a country's money, had all of a sudden dropped tremendously in value,

01:07:11.600 affected the rest of the world's markets.

01:07:14.680 And people panicked because they'd never seen that before.

01:07:20.460 A very small part of a very complex system had a shock throughout the whole system.

01:07:25.820 So prices on Park Avenue apartments, the bond markets, the stock markets,

01:07:30.200 everything started to gyrate.

01:07:32.280 You know, there's an old mathematical expression that

01:07:35.720 if a butterfly wings in Mexico make the wrong turn,

01:07:40.500 it spins out and eventually by the time it gets to Canada,

01:07:43.440 that turns into a tornado.

01:07:45.900 What?

01:07:46.520 So these are part of complex systems.

01:07:49.780 So yeah, Wall Street in certain parts.

01:07:52.120 Santa Fe Institute was supposed to actually come up

01:07:54.600 with a formula for that, for the butterfly ones.

01:07:56.860 Why in 15 years did you reach the end

01:07:59.740 of at least that experiment?

01:08:02.200 Every attempt to, that's why it's so exciting now,

01:08:06.140 because I think certain people are starting to realize

01:08:10.600 that there's so many things that are unexplainable

01:08:14.980 that we have to think about them differently.

01:08:19.580 Music is a great example.

01:08:22.040 It's a common man's example.

01:08:25.540 You know when you hear a certain song,

01:08:27.160 it makes you feel a certain way.

01:08:31.500 How does it do that?

01:08:33.620 We don't know.

01:08:34.960 We can't mathematize it.

01:08:36.240 And even that music, Steve,

01:08:38.140 nowadays we compress music

01:08:40.780 when you have a violin

01:08:41.980 it's compressed onto your

01:08:44.340 iPhone

01:08:45.340 so what does compression mean? I'm taking lots of

01:08:48.800 information and I'm cutting it into

01:08:50.840 lots of pieces and squishing it

01:08:52.920 together and when I

01:08:54.720 squish it or compress it

01:08:56.060 I have to take out lots of pieces

01:08:58.820 but I say that

01:09:00.000 they're not very important pieces

01:09:02.160 it's those pieces

01:09:04.980 that we take out

01:09:06.080 when we compress data, to me, are the most interesting parts of life.

01:09:12.620 You just said, well, part of this new search for science

01:09:18.080 may go back to when people were actually talking about a soul

01:09:21.460 and you said, no doubt there is a soul.

01:09:24.540 Describe for me what you mean by that.

01:09:26.180 What do you mean by soul?

01:09:27.240 What do you mean soul different than the physical analog body

01:09:31.100 that we're seeing on film right now?

01:09:33.580 It's difficult to describe in words.

01:09:35.560 I mean, I'm not a poet.

01:09:38.020 Poems get a little closer to what that really means.

01:09:41.360 But we can, even the concept of what is life becomes complicated

01:09:45.540 when you deal with plants and seeds.

01:09:49.120 Is a seed alive? I don't know.

01:09:52.340 Certain people would say, no, it's dead.

01:09:54.400 When you're a banana, one of my favorite examples is

01:09:58.220 the banana that's sitting on the countertop in your kitchen today.

01:10:01.360 Is it alive or dead?

01:10:02.420 What do you think about human life?

01:10:03.700 Tell me about human life.

01:10:05.980 But your banana is alive.

01:10:07.560 That banana is breathing.

01:10:09.140 You say, that's impossible, Jeffrey.

01:10:11.780 No?

01:10:12.220 Is the banana conscious?

01:10:15.160 All these words.

01:10:16.240 These are words.

01:10:18.080 Everyone's trying to fit very complicated concepts into a very small box called conscious or alive.

01:10:26.020 These don't fit in that way.

01:10:28.380 So if you put your banana in a bag and put another fruit in with it,

01:10:32.960 The fruit ripens faster because the banana breathes with it.

01:10:37.580 We don't understand most of those things.

01:10:40.320 You asked the question.

01:10:41.780 You talked about the life.

01:10:43.260 What about human life?

01:10:44.720 What about it?

01:10:45.780 Tell me, what do you think human life is?

01:10:49.000 It's a miracle.

01:10:50.780 It's a miracle.

01:10:51.700 When I say miracle, I can't explain it,

01:10:54.880 and I make no attempt to explain it at the moment.

01:10:57.840 We don't know how to think about it.

01:10:59.420 And anyone, and again, another one of the Feynman quotes when he was talking about quantum physics, he said, anyone, Jeffrey, who says they understand quantum physics and quantum mechanics and quantum behavior, you know they're lying.

01:11:14.800 Let's talk about that. That's post-Newtonian. Talk about what's the difference? Who founded quantum mechanics? Why is quantum mechanics?

01:11:21.840 Pre-Hulalco posting, may Allah guide Jeffrey Epstein to Islam, inshallah.

01:11:27.840 Did he already post that?

01:11:30.180 I could see he's definitely thinking that right now.

01:11:32.360 Taking Newtonian physics and taking it to the next level.

01:11:36.000 It forms a much broader category.

01:11:38.660 Let's go back to this desk.

01:11:39.980 You used the thing of Newton using this desk.

01:11:43.820 Why can't Newton's theory explain everything?

01:11:46.860 Why did subatomic quantum mechanics or quantum physics have to come in to explain this?

01:11:52.360 He's not dead at...

01:11:53.180 So let's go right back to square one.

01:11:56.220 Why is it called quantum physics?

01:11:59.620 So quanta is a word that simply means packet, small amount.

01:12:04.280 So it's quantized.

01:12:06.220 So we recognize, when we recognize that this table appears,

01:12:10.440 another very complicated word, solid to us,

01:12:14.180 it's really made up of molecules.

01:12:16.860 or atoms. And atoms, we've given lots of names to some of the behaviors. When you and I were

01:12:26.020 in school in the 50s, the model was a little center thing in the middle and electron went

01:12:31.560 around and around it. It was seen as a ball that went around and around it. And as we

01:12:37.920 started to look and say, well, let's see what this ball looks like. I want to be able to

01:12:42.540 examine that little thing called an electron, we found that there was nothing there.

01:12:48.120 There wasn't the thing.

01:12:50.840 It was simply a cloud of energy that we can call an electron.

01:12:57.580 So we already started to see mysterious things as we go into very super small quantities,

01:13:03.580 quantum physics.

01:13:05.660 So quantum physics started to go into the very small and very small distances.

01:13:12.980 We see things that we can't explain.

01:13:15.420 We just cannot explain.

01:13:16.420 How am I doing in time?

01:13:18.420 Four minutes.

01:13:20.420 Fine.

01:13:21.420 And to summarize, no, sorry.

01:13:24.420 What?

01:13:25.420 Oh, man.

01:13:26.420 This dude.

01:13:27.420 Let's go back to human life.

01:13:29.420 When do you think human life starts?

01:13:31.420 Jay, you can see how he was able to get this done, right?

01:13:36.520 You can see why, like, he's, undeniably, he's got charm.

01:13:41.140 He's got, like you guys said, almost done.

01:13:42.840 No, charming guy.

01:13:45.480 Interesting person.

01:13:47.340 Very smart, funny, social.

01:13:51.200 Dangerous motherfucker, bro.

01:13:53.000 He's a dangerous, yeah, brilliant orator.

01:13:57.220 He's got that serial killer demeanor.

01:13:58.860 it's not these so you see this is the question you're asking me to measure something again

01:14:04.340 it's the disease measured you're just you just hate making commitments

01:14:08.620 that's why i'm not married i'm i'm i'm peeling this onion back a layer of time

01:14:15.040 he's making party jokes right now he's like that's why i'm still all your bullshit and happy

01:14:20.100 target can't be measured can't be measured like that is that to say measure makes it's a commitment

01:14:24.560 You don't even like a commitment when you answer a question.

01:14:28.280 As they say in golf, commit to the shot.

01:14:31.020 I don't know what it means to be measured.

01:14:33.020 You do know what it means to be measured.

01:14:34.620 You're one of the leading currency traders, hedge fund guys, or stock market financial wizards.

01:14:40.120 You're in the high priesthood of high finance.

01:14:41.980 You certainly know how to measure.

01:14:43.420 That's why you're a billionaire.

01:14:44.960 Any other answer besides that is total and complete bullshit.

01:14:48.020 And you know it.

01:14:49.400 I know very few things.

01:14:51.780 You know things can be measured.

01:14:53.640 every day. You weigh and measure

01:14:55.580 every day. You weigh and measure people.

01:14:58.060 You weigh and measure leaders. You weigh and

01:14:59.700 measure economies. You weigh and measure politics.

01:15:01.860 It's a very good...

01:15:02.780 Hang on, hang on.

01:15:05.540 Your whole life, in fact,

01:15:07.860 is measuring.

01:15:09.960 So what you've now done is

01:15:11.600 a great thing. You've used

01:15:13.760 the word measure, a mathematic

01:15:15.760 term, in the common

01:15:17.500 vernacular and abused it.

01:15:19.400 So I don't even recognize what it means. It's so

01:15:21.500 abusive to my field.

01:15:23.640 Why? Let's go to that. In mathematics, measure means what, specifically?

01:15:30.640 There's no specificity. It's an approximation or giving something a number.

01:15:37.640 We're not asking you to go to the ninth decimal point.

01:15:40.640 Oh, you didn't say that before.

01:15:42.640 No, you're not going to the ninth decimal point.

01:15:43.640 What if I say measure, how tall are you? You'd say, in your case, six foot.

01:15:48.640 Six feet.

01:15:49.640 But is it six foot one inch?

01:15:52.040 Give or take.

01:15:53.920 Between 5'11 and six feet.

01:15:55.560 But what's that?

01:15:56.480 But I want, so the question is, I want an accurate.

01:15:59.080 It's Zeno's, I got Zeno's paradox.

01:16:01.140 I don't even know what it means to measure you.

01:16:02.940 Am I measuring the top of your hair, the top of your skull?

01:16:06.320 And the finer, the more.

01:16:08.100 You're getting, you're being rabbinical.

01:16:10.580 This is like.

01:16:11.300 I shaved my beard off.

01:16:12.540 I used to be rabbinical.

01:16:13.160 No, my point is, isn't that going to.

01:16:15.600 He just made a Jew joke and it went over Steve's head.

01:16:18.380 Wait, one more time, one more time.

01:16:19.640 I shaved my beard off. I used to be rabbinical.

01:16:22.720 My point is, isn't that going through the Torah where you're parsing every definition?

01:16:31.980 However we broadly define measure, your life literally is about measurement, is it not?

01:16:37.760 It's about putting numbers on things so that I can try my best.

01:16:43.260 You can call it whatever you like.

01:16:44.400 If that makes you feel better.

01:16:46.400 I want to make you happy.

01:16:47.820 He said I would have been a better interviewer.

01:16:50.100 Yeah.

01:16:50.560 I mean, he's still alive.

01:16:51.600 Jeffrey Epstein, if you're still alive, let's get this interview done.

01:16:55.960 Different inquiry.

01:16:58.020 No, even a number.

01:17:00.700 People don't say a number is a complicated thing.

01:17:03.240 When did you come to this aha moment?

01:17:07.000 When it was in your solitary confinement,

01:17:11.120 when the biggest financial crisis in world history was going on,

01:17:14.740 in your seven-by-nine jail cell with your metal bed

01:17:18.240 and your two brushes because you were a trustee

01:17:21.000 with the brown uniform on, trustee spelled wrong.

01:17:24.540 Is that the moment of clarity that you had about science

01:17:28.420 and Newtonian physics and everything that we can measure

01:17:31.600 is really not going to be the way we go forward.

01:17:33.760 It's going to be some much more esoteric, emotional intelligence thing.

01:17:39.340 Was that your moment of clarity?

01:17:41.580 I wish it was because it would make such a great story for this.

01:17:44.340 It's like when, you know, when 6ix9ine does interviews and every time he takes off his glasses, he's about to start, I walk shit down, yo, Vlad.

01:17:51.180 I talk, he's like, he's putting his glasses back on because he knows it's the, he's going back into the frame of I'm leaving back until, but the honest one, talking about spiritual, metaphysical, God, religion, glasses off.

01:18:06.340 Interview, but it's not.

01:18:08.800 It's the fact that I lead such a privileged life to come across.

01:18:12.120 But if it didn't happen then, when did it happen before then?

01:18:15.940 I was going to hopefully get to the...

01:18:17.640 I'm in a privileged position to have some of the world's smartest people come to my house

01:18:22.480 and tell me what they think about different subjects.

01:18:26.040 And I finally realized that the thing that they had most in common

01:18:30.620 was there was this area, no matter how smart they were...

01:18:35.180 They're describable.

01:18:35.860 That when I asked them the questions, they said they'd have to resort to a 500 or 1,000-year-old response to that.

01:18:44.840 They'd have to yap in circles instead of just saying,

01:18:46.880 Alhamdulillah, Allahu Akbar, La ilaha illallah, Muhammad al-Masulullah, Subhanallah.

01:18:54.360 They could have just kept it really simple.

01:18:57.560 That question which was, I don't know.

01:19:01.480 You know who else found that out?

01:19:04.500 Takbir!

01:19:05.860 in socrates that's what socrates kept doing right socrates kept asking all the people saying

01:19:13.140 durka language durka durka language what language do you think jesus spoke if you're christian

01:19:17.220 spoke aramaic did he say shalom aleikum almost identical to what i just said

01:19:23.420 birds he would go through you know question after question after question and realize at the end

01:19:30.500 they didn't really know under they really didn't basically talking about and one of the things

01:19:35.640 that people won't enjoy, it turns out that potentially one of the bad things to teach

01:19:41.520 children is how to write. Writing, reading, and arithmetic was supposed to be, everyone

01:19:48.260 was supposed to be taught, but writing forces you into a very narrow channel of thinking.

01:19:53.700 You have to write in a certain form, in a certain way, in a certain linear pattern.

01:19:59.360 So your thinking becomes somewhat narrow. The reason I brought up writing is one of the

01:20:04.600 recent discoveries of mine with respect to

01:20:06.540 Socrates, Plato's, and Aristotle

01:20:07.940 is they never wrote anything.

01:20:10.900 They spoke

01:20:11.820 and people around

01:20:13.660 who could write wrote.

01:20:17.460 Socrates could think.

01:20:19.340 So that was...

01:20:20.580 Jesus of Nazareth was the same way, right?

01:20:22.760 Never wrote anything.

01:20:24.120 I thought he was a carpenter.

01:20:26.320 He was a carpenter. Didn't he need like a little

01:20:28.340 carpenter? I don't want to get that.

01:20:30.500 Ooh, now he's got a Talmudic with it.

01:20:32.820 This is what Ben Shapiro said.

01:20:34.600 On Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro was like, Jesus was a scammer.

01:20:37.400 He was a father.

01:20:38.820 He was this, and he was a – he pretended like he had miracles,

01:20:42.420 and he was just a carpenter, and he was – seething.

01:20:47.240 You say Jesus' name around it, they start seething.

01:20:53.140 At least it's written.

01:20:54.340 That evil laugh, man.

01:20:55.480 One last thing.

01:20:58.180 Thank you for having me.

01:20:59.160 Ben Shapiro called Jesus a troublemaker.

01:21:03.600 To your house.

01:21:04.600 Yeah, how the fuck did they do this interview?

01:21:10.840 Why is he not in jail?

01:21:11.900 Why is he in this house?

01:21:14.500 Vegetable juice.

01:21:14.960 Let's go back.

01:21:15.500 What's with vegetable juice, guys?

01:21:16.520 When did that, the beginning of that,

01:21:19.460 was there any one aha moment in all these great thinkers?

01:21:23.240 Did it happen before 2008?

01:21:24.480 Was it after?

01:21:25.400 That came up over, I know, many years,

01:21:27.800 but when did you actually realize,

01:21:29.340 hey, something new has got to be developed?

01:21:32.600 Yeah, that's great.

01:21:33.140 is that i've what because um again i'm privileged enough to have people someone just said bot mail

01:21:39.860 dude yeah people are upset that eddie pointed out that i'm the only one of the only streamers

01:21:44.960 not botting and so someone is clearly upset and botted my stream does anyone actually think that

01:21:50.420 this was me doing it how dumb would i have to be for yesterday morning eddie says thank you

01:21:56.720 respect to you you're not botting the stream and then everyone obviously starts seething

01:22:01.500 all the botters get mad

01:22:04.460 so they come in

01:22:05.540 and they bought my stream

01:22:06.720 to destroy the credibility

01:22:08.120 yet

01:22:08.860 duh

01:22:10.500 that's what happened

01:22:11.280 do you think it's hard

01:22:11.880 to bot someone else's stream

01:22:13.180 all around me

01:22:16.220 who've given lots of

01:22:17.620 philanthropic gifts

01:22:18.880 to institutions

01:22:20.720 of higher learning

01:22:21.560 get mad

01:22:22.060 and when I said

01:22:22.740 the impact

01:22:25.140 have you

01:22:25.600 how do you judge

01:22:26.740 the impact of your giving

01:22:27.940 and we sat down

01:22:29.800 and said

01:22:31.000 No really new ideas have come out.

01:22:34.480 And I realized that, of course, it hasn't come out

01:22:37.060 because we've been looking at using science and mathematics,

01:22:41.540 and it's the wrong tool.

01:22:43.080 It's obvious.

01:22:44.640 Institutions that...

01:22:46.380 Oh, that wasn't even a bot farm yet.

01:22:47.800 I forgot Ice Poseidon raided the stream.

01:22:50.340 ...are set up and tried to put forward knowledge

01:22:53.880 and understanding and truth.

01:22:56.320 Should they take your money?

01:23:00.120 Derek Bach at Harvard said, taking money for good causes is a good thing.

01:23:08.840 So if Hitler took all the gold out of the teeth of the Jews and said, I want to give

01:23:14.640 this to Heidelberg University to fund the Leibniz chairs so that I can study high-energy

01:23:20.880 physics, Derek Bach would say that was fine?

01:23:24.480 Again, these questions are questions where good people on both sides, like your Charlottesville, could differ.

01:23:33.300 You know, Nick Fuentes was there.

01:23:34.400 He's talking about the white nationalist rally that happened in Charlottesville with the tiki torches.

01:23:40.740 I don't know the answer to those questions.

01:23:42.560 So tell us, give us the two answers.

01:23:45.340 The one answer, why it shouldn't be, and then the one answer.

01:23:48.060 Derek Bach says, I'll essentially take cash from anybody because I've got so many projects, so many good guys, and this is the way I'll do it.

01:23:54.140 So I'm indifferent to where the cash comes from.

01:23:56.900 Money's money.

01:23:58.000 And if I've got good guys, I'm the producer.

01:24:00.200 He says these are good people and this is good research.

01:24:02.580 Okay, I'll take the cash from any source, including you.

01:24:08.680 What's the other argument?

01:24:09.900 Let me give you that I know in my case.

01:24:13.260 Is your money dirty?

01:24:14.300 No, I'm not saying stupid people do stupid things.

01:24:16.620 That was early.

01:24:18.380 There was a lot of anti-Israel sentiment at that rally.

01:24:20.720 I'm not saying that to throw dirt.

01:24:23.080 I think everybody, most people who went there are still standing on it.

01:24:25.980 If you live.

01:24:27.060 I just asked a question.

01:24:28.160 Is your money dirty money?

01:24:29.220 No, it's not.

01:24:30.800 So, in fact.

01:24:31.840 Stop the cap.

01:24:33.820 Why is it not dirty money?

01:24:35.560 Because I earned it.

01:24:37.980 But you earned it.

01:24:39.140 Les Wexner financed everything you do, bro.

01:24:41.980 You had billionaire financiers and you blackmailed people.

01:24:46.180 I guess in a way, like, you can't say, yeah, I guess.

01:24:52.240 Everything is essentially a scam.

01:24:54.460 But, yeah, no, he was getting Mossad money.

01:24:56.720 He did have a Houd-Burak visit his estate in Manhattan like 30 times.

01:25:01.780 Come on.

01:25:03.400 We went back to this before.

01:25:05.220 You earned it advising the worst.

01:25:09.200 Every time I get that smile, I can't even do it.

01:25:12.160 He's lying.

01:25:12.560 People in the world, right, that do enormous bad things and just to make more money.

01:25:19.900 So, instead of asking me the question, should you take the money?

01:25:24.440 Because I think it's a legitimate question.

01:25:26.240 You think it's a legitimate question?

01:25:27.220 Yes, no question.

01:25:28.880 Chad, would Epstein take a gambling deal?

01:25:31.780 Because I think about it.

01:25:34.160 Ethics is always a complicated subject.

01:25:36.400 But I can tell you that with the money I gave to help try to eradicate polio.

01:25:41.680 Do you think Epstein had tech teams in Israel like Andrew's saying?

01:25:44.740 I got tech teams in Israel.

01:25:47.100 In Pakistan and India.

01:25:49.020 Instead of asking me whether that money should be given to these children for vaccines,

01:25:56.240 I think you might want to ask their mothers who received the vaccine,

01:26:00.760 who know their child now won't get polio, and ask them if...

01:26:05.140 Yeah, but now they have autism. Thanks a lot, Jeff.

01:26:07.320 Epstein should have helped these people with their money.

01:26:11.020 If we walked in...

01:26:12.060 Is that a fair question?

01:26:13.300 You're a mathematician.

01:26:14.780 We walked into that clinic where they're giving that money out to these people that are in the most dire straits of poverty and sickness and told them that the money was coming from a, what are you, class three sexual predator?

01:26:28.580 Tier one.

01:26:29.420 What's tier one? Tier one's the highest and worst?

01:26:31.460 No, I'm the lowest.

01:26:33.280 You're the lowest. Okay, tier one, you're the lowest.

01:26:34.860 He's joking right now. He's just tricking Goyam Steve right here. Wow, bro. Tier one. Tier one.

01:26:42.940 that's uh an incredible self-report right there he knows what he's done he knows where he stands

01:26:49.460 nico in a box thank you for the 50 gifted i appreciate it big time my guy

01:26:53.980 bang

01:26:55.220 50 gifted thank you for the 50 gifted people haven't gifted in a while i haven't seen gifts

01:27:03.580 all stream but i appreciate you nico in a box and i make sure to shout out shout out the people

01:27:08.060 gifting in the chat thanks a lot nico in a box tier one's the highest and worst no i'm the lowest

01:27:12.920 You're the lowest. Tier one, you're the lowest, but a criminal, that the money came from them.

01:27:18.720 What percentage of people do you estimate, I understand you don't like probabilities,

01:27:22.860 do you estimate, would say, I don't care, I want the money for my children?

01:27:27.100 I would say, everyone said, I want the money for my children.

01:27:29.520 Did they know where the money came from?

01:27:31.220 I think if you told them, if I told them the devil himself said, I'm going to exchange some dollars for your child's life.

01:27:40.040 Do you think you're the devil himself?

01:27:42.920 I know, but I do have a good mirror.

01:27:46.420 It's a serious question.

01:27:47.760 I'm sorry.

01:27:48.260 Do you think you're...

01:27:49.000 Another Jew joke.

01:27:51.040 This is another Woody Allen Hollywood joke.

01:27:56.000 Devil himself.

01:27:57.700 I don't know.

01:27:58.120 Why would you say that?

01:27:59.320 Because you have all the attributes.

01:28:00.900 You're incredibly smart.

01:28:02.040 You remember the devil is somebody...

01:28:03.100 The devil's what?

01:28:04.020 The devil's brilliant.

01:28:05.560 You read Milton's Paradise Lost.

01:28:08.200 No, the devil scares me.

01:28:10.180 Satan is the...

01:28:12.340 He is at the number one or two archangel.

01:28:19.040 And the reason...

01:28:20.300 Notice how he didn't say no.

01:28:22.360 He dodged the question with the joke.

01:28:24.320 He didn't say no.

01:28:27.140 He didn't deny it.

01:28:29.580 He goes to hell and leads the rebellion.

01:28:32.360 It's because he can't be the top guy.

01:28:34.600 And his thing is, I'd rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.

01:28:38.460 I saw that in a movie once called American Dharma.

01:28:41.480 I don't remember who said it, okay?

01:28:44.040 We have to go.

01:28:45.080 Okay, good.

01:28:45.540 That was good.

SHNEAKO - February 03, 2026

SNEAKO Reacts to Jeffrey Epstein's Podcast...

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