In this episode, Dr. Zhang and Dr. Dugan discuss the role of theology and eschatology in understanding the end-time problem. They discuss the differences between Christian and Jewish perspectives on the subject, and their views on how to deal with them.
00:05:37.720So it is not about time, not about history, not about final combat, final battle,
00:05:43.300but more than that, about how we need to make things to be very, very peaceful way in harmony.
00:05:54.400And my very, very good friends in China, they always asked me, what is going on in the Middle East? What is about this Zionism? Why there is so importance to have greater Israel? Why it's so important to be dispensationalist in Protestant circles, in evangelicals?0.52
00:06:21.580So, and as well, they didn't understand Russian catechonic idea, our eschatology.
00:06:28.080And after that, after having very good and friendful discussions with my Chinese friends,
00:06:36.260I have, it seems that it was on your stream, Sniko.
00:06:42.320So I have remarked that unique Chinese men who had shown very deep understanding of eschatology, of this end time concept in the context of Judaism, of Zionism, and Shia and Islamic tradition.
00:07:05.540And I was very, very astonished because, in my opinion, that was the first and maybe unique Chinese scholar of such serious level who easily understands this very special, special subject of world politics.
00:07:30.300And I was very, very glad and now I'm very happy to speak with unique Chinese scholar who has shown such deep engagement in the studies of eschatology.
00:07:46.140So, first of all, for example, nobody, very few people speaks today about Sabata Itzevi, Jacob Leiber Frank, about this kind of eschatological Kabbalah of Natan, of Gaza,
00:08:08.500And this metaphysical vision of Kabbalistic eschatology and how it resonates, how it is reflected on the modern days global politics and geopolitics.
00:08:22.680So Professor Jiang is unique, it is an exception. There are some people in Russia who understand that, not many, but there are, but absolutely nobody in China.
00:08:35.420so that i was very very uh very interested and i i have i have seen i have watched many many other
00:08:44.300videos about predictions about uh uh game theory uh about as well about um greek uh antiquity
00:08:55.980because i have made also my classes dedicated to the classical tragedy tragedy of ancient greeks
00:09:03.420So I was very, very astonished by the similarity of many points, many approaches and the depth of the knowledge of Professor Jiang about the thing that most, mostly Chinese scholars ignore or could not grasp.
00:09:24.420Maybe they lack, the majority lack this radical feeling of the end of something, of some irreversible, something linear, the linear time, irreversible fight between good and evil.0.93
00:09:39.260it is everything it is not to to chinese so but we are living in the world with china cosmos china0.94
00:09:48.460chinese universe and other universe universe american universe islamic universe universe
00:09:56.380russian universe so in order to to to understand better each other we need to get deep in the
00:10:03.580their respective traditions. Maybe these traditions could be close to us or far from us, but we should
00:10:13.060pay some efforts to understand better each other. Absolutely. And, well, I have a couple questions
00:10:21.640for you, Alexander. I wanted to figure out more about your belief system, because I saw some
00:10:28.560people are reporting that you have esoteric traditions, or some are saying that you're
00:10:32.820orthodox christian it's hard to pinpoint exactly what it is so in your own words what would you
00:10:38.140classify your belief system as and before you answer people are asking in the chat what eschatology is
00:10:43.320uh maybe professor jang could quickly describe it the best way but i would just say
00:10:48.060end times philosophy right so um eschatology comes from the greek word eschaton which means
00:10:57.220the end. So the word literally means the study of the end. And what eschatology often refers to
00:11:05.300is each religious tradition's understanding of the end point of history. Why are we here? Where
00:11:13.420are we going? Where do we come from? And the idea of eschatology is to figure out the point at which
00:11:22.480god um and man reunifies which which brings about the end end of history so so that's the uh general
00:11:29.940idea okay and obviously professor jang is i don't want to misclassify your belief system but last
00:11:38.280time we spoke a little bit about gnosticism i saw recently on the patrick david show you said at the
00:11:44.860end that you pray to god so i would maybe say that it's general gnosticism but not specific to one
00:11:50.980theology is that correct yeah so for most of my life um i'm atheist in china is an atheist society
00:11:58.420i didn't grow up with any uh atheist tradition so i didn't go with any religious tradition
00:12:03.480and quite honestly um i've had um i was very skeptical towards religion all my life
00:12:09.900especially towards christianity um but these past two years because i've been
00:12:14.920deep in the study of eschatology, the Kabbalah, geopolitics, I'm starting to develop a more
00:12:22.660Gnostic framework. But I would not say that I have one religious loyalty.
00:12:28.220I could find a similarity. I think learning more about Epstein back in 2019 helped steer me in the
00:12:33.700direction of trying to find some sense of good because there's so much evil. And obviously,
00:12:39.320Alexander Dugan just spelled out how you speak about
00:12:43.160Sabbatai Zevi, which is not often mentioned.
00:12:47.060This is what's going to be in the direction to look into faith. But can I ask you
00:12:51.340specifically, Professor Dugan, so what would you classify your faith as?
00:13:02.100So I'm Orthodox Christian, and that defines
00:13:05.960in what I believe. That is my confession, that is my church, that is my religious doctrine and
00:13:14.900everything I could say outside of the context, it is about status. It is not about recognition
00:13:24.920of my own faith. My own personal and Russian faith is precisely Christian Orthodox religion.
00:13:34.840So I believe it is the only truth. So in that sense, I'm a believer, normal Christian Orthodox believer. But at the same time, I'm very interested by different other spiritual traditions.
00:13:52.340And in that sense, philosophically, I am a traditionalist.
00:17:29.540And then afterwards, he posts an AI image of himself with his face on Jesus, and he's putting his hand on what looks like a, to me, it looked like Jeffrey Epstein.
00:17:40.780And in the back, it looks like a Roman god, Libertas, the Statue of Liberty goddess.
00:17:44.960Some people are saying that that's Malak flying in the sky, and that was also altered.
00:17:48.740My point is, when I announced this stream, speaking with Professor Zhang and Alexander Dugan, to be perfectly honest, it went all over Twitter.
00:18:22.800Very clearly, everybody, it seems like,0.84
00:18:25.720has dual allegiance to Israel, first off.
00:18:27.600so there's foreign influence everywhere second off what exactly are western american values how
00:18:33.680could that be described alexander dugan you i think accurately described it and you spoke to
00:18:39.940what a lot of people are feeling right now and that the modern western values that we see a lot
00:18:44.120of people are becoming disillusioned with a lot of people are not happy with what they see and if
00:18:48.080that is described by what we see in euphoria the new tv show sydney sweetie dressed up like a baby
00:18:53.740you know doing this weird fetish thing not to make it too disgusting early but what we see
00:18:59.500everywhere that's promoted in the media and even from our politicians the leader of the free world
00:19:03.500the commander-in-chief of our military depicting himself as what christians believe to be god
00:19:08.320this is not what so many people want to sign up to follow what do you think are the main causes
00:19:16.280of the problems we see with american western values right now maybe we could start with
00:19:21.800professor jang right so um um i think the root of a problem is 1694 because that is when the bank
00:19:34.400of england was first chartered and the bank of england the idea was that it would take transnational
00:19:39.720capital and um lend it to the nation state of england with parliament as the guarantor okay
00:19:47.780So previously, if you were a king and you wanted to fight a war, you need to hire mercenaries.
00:19:52.900So you borrowed money from merchants who lent you gold in order to finance the war.
00:19:57.340The problem with this is that the king may die, you may lose the war, or the king may rig-neck on the contract.
00:20:03.520So there's high risk for merchants to work with kings.
00:20:07.320So the Bank of England solved this problem because now Dutch merchants could lend money to England and be guaranteed by parliament, the nation state.
00:20:15.600And this was a revolution in European affairs, because now England basically had infinite financing.
00:20:23.960It could fight a war against someone like Napoleon and keep on fighting until Napoleon was finally defeated.
00:20:31.480So it took six, seven wars, seven wars for Napoleon to be defeated by the British.
00:20:37.000And the British lost six of these wars.
00:20:39.320So that's the power of infinite financing created by the Bank of England.
00:20:42.780It basically created the British Empire.
00:20:45.060but how do you go about just justifying to people why are you a citizen of england um boring money
00:20:52.900from these transnational capitalists these merchants and if you can't pay it back your
00:21:00.180your son your children your grandchildren have to have to pay it back because basically
00:21:03.780your entire society is indebted to these merchants from overseas we don't know
00:21:08.100and so they needed to create a system a philosophical system in order to justify
00:21:14.420this and this is this this is when you have the beginning of what we call modern um
00:21:20.740british enlightenment civilization okay starting with john locke and the um
00:21:25.620certification of private property as the highest good as something that is god-given private
00:21:30.260property right then you have people like david hume which questions the very legitimacy of human
00:21:35.620intuition and the project of philosophy of the pursuit of truth and you have people like jerry
00:21:41.380bentham which put utilitarianism as the as the heart and center of society if something is if
00:21:49.060something brings people pleasure it is fundamentally good something brings people pain it's fundamentally
00:21:55.380evil and this this is the beginning of what we call a consumer society right where each individual
00:22:49.080Spencer, social Darwinism, continuation of this Anglo-Saxon liberalism.
00:22:54.480And Ayn Rand was already the kind of capitalist satanism, so from Ayn Rand to Epstein is only one step, because if you have all the pleasure, the poor will have all the pain.
00:23:16.620So you should be happy when the other are essentially unhappy.
00:23:22.880So that is Atlas Shracht, precisely the main message of so-called objectivism.
00:23:29.200That is finalization of this capitalist logic.
00:23:33.640But I would start a little before with Calvinism, for example.
00:23:37.500And Calvinism, I think that was a very special, very non-Christian idea, affirming that there is not afterlife, that the judgment of God is realized already in this life, and to be rich, it is the sign of chosenness.
00:23:57.660so you are you are chosen so you are rich and you are poor you are damned so orthodox christianity
00:24:05.260absolutely the deny that christian orthodox christianity affirm that it is not important0.88
00:24:15.580to be poor or rich in this world you should be good you should behave with love with compassion
00:24:23.900with empathy to other people and you will be judged afterwards when Jesus will come again,
00:24:33.100second coming of Jesus, and he will judge everybody after resurrection. So it is the
00:24:43.420present earthly life is just a small, small, infinity, small part of the real life of the
00:24:51.580immortal soul that is normal christian attitude and calvinism was total total denial of these
00:24:59.420attitudes everything the god uh has knowledge of everything until the end so he could not make
00:25:08.460uh he could not make uh error mistakes so if you are rich you are chosen you are you are blessed
00:25:15.820with with the richness that is the the kind of theology the theology of the capitalism and i
00:25:24.140think that uh max weber has shown that uh in his sociological framework and uh werner somber
00:25:33.420has developed that so that is the huge tradition not necessary marxist tradition but conservative
00:25:39.660tradition to criticize these calvinist foundations of the modern uh anglo-saxon capitalism liberalism
00:25:51.100individualism and that is the problem with united states because when you are in united states and
00:25:57.660when you want sincerely to return to the traditional values you have nothing but the
00:26:07.980founder fathers who were calvinists so mayflower was the group of of calvinists
00:26:16.780fleeing from church of england from anglican church in order to to create totally different
00:26:24.380kind of culture of society in the new world so that is the problem so for example you personally
00:26:30.700or some other people if you choose tradition of islam so you have the sacred roots if you
00:26:39.500choose catholicism may be affected by modernity but not totally modern as protestantism and when
00:26:47.980you are evangelical or mormon or dispensationalist you are obliged to create something imaginary
00:26:57.580something completely out of the real relations to the foundations of the ancient roots of
00:27:06.060christianity of uh so you you lack the sacred roots so because the sacred roots of american
00:27:16.620civilization belong to the europe belong to the pre pre-colonization time to middle ages and it
00:27:25.020is very very difficult to restore this link you have mentioned for example libertas statue but
00:27:31.820that is uh hekata hekate the great great goddess of the hell uh of the ancient greeks why she uh
00:27:42.380has a torch because she rules in eternal night you you you have not uh you you have not uh
00:27:53.660any necessity to have the torch in hand in the daylight it is the goddess of the hell of the
00:28:04.300night and that was more or less the origins of american civilization so it is it is a problem
00:28:10.860so it is not easy to uh present day american conservatives who are very critical and that is
00:28:21.100we could understand it very well with modernity with this abstain class with this usurpation of
00:28:27.180the democracy or this falsehood all that but when you want when you try to get back to your roots
00:28:35.820to your sources welcome to the calvinist uh heretic group of the founding fathers of some
00:28:44.460masonry some radicalism of of the sects extremist sex they were not uh zionist christian zionism
00:28:55.020started precisely in the time of radical enlightenment and and and holland and die
00:29:02.780among the dutch uh and after that they that came to to to england and with puritans and radical0.76
00:29:11.260protestants after that this uh christian zionism emigrated to united states so after that that
00:29:19.340was the scaffold bible dispensationalism uh plymouth brethren and so on so it is not
00:29:27.500traditional it is a kind of eschatological heresy and that is the problem metaphysical problem of
00:29:35.100american people so when you try to get to the roots your roots are rotten from the very beginning
00:29:43.820so and that demands to to make some extravagant choices for you to to join catholicism to join0.52
00:29:54.300islam to join maybe orthodox church so many one of the most most venerable representative of
00:30:03.260of 20th century Orthodox sainthood is American,
00:30:47.300So you are obliged somehow to embrace something
00:30:52.340that could appear to be not too traditional
00:30:56.580for your society or hinduism or buddhism or islam so uh but when you start to to to to to
00:31:06.020to become american traditionalist you are either mormon or dispensationalist or christian zionist
00:31:15.380or calvinist and everything that is really really traditional islam orthodoxy or catholicism
00:31:22.980becomes a kind of enemy and now we see uh around president trump precisely this fight against
00:31:32.020everything that still is traditional in united states so uh so that is the problem and i'm not
00:31:40.340absolutely malzane it is not about about mock at american people but that is strategy a strategy
00:31:48.800And I think we feel the great content for American people because they became a kind of hostages of this historical, social, economical theology or hostages of this specially and very, very heretic, I would say, eschatology.
00:32:11.460Right. That makes me understand your idea and how you can relate traditionalism to your theology, which you stated earlier.
00:32:19.980Well, so what's the solution? You also said that you think American tradition is rotten to the core.
00:32:26.740And I don't want to believe that. I love this country. I don't want to think that it's all doom and gloom.
00:32:31.800We've got to provide some hope. But now learning more about what the evangelical sect of Protestantism believes
00:32:38.220and the fact that they get subverted so easily with this megachurch culture that you can see
00:32:44.880epic fury and unconditional surrender these giant posters and it gets subverted by these preachers
00:32:51.140who are clearly in it just for money i could say it's the erica kirk phenomenon right mostly the0.83
00:32:57.400boomer class who is the majority of the voting block in america they attend these sort of major
00:33:03.940stadium-like rituals and they all vote for the same neocons the same evangelicals the same people
00:33:09.220which you rightly pointed out believe in the schofield bible which uh professor dugan when
00:33:15.940was the schofield bible written so uh scoffee bible uh that is a kind of uh commentary of
00:33:26.900very small, small sect founded of Blymouth brothers, founded by British Protestants,
00:33:39.620and the commentary very, very new and very, very particular sectarian commentaries are embedded
00:33:48.980in the text of Bible. So when you read the Bible, you could not make great difference between the
00:33:55.540real holy scripture and this modern commentaries uh explaining that the end fate of the humanity0.94
00:34:04.660will be uh will be played in the israel and the jews will will return to their fatherland and all
00:34:15.860western christianity um protestant christianity should uh defend jews representing different
00:34:24.900different faith hoping they will convert in the end time into the christianity and that is why
00:34:34.580it is necessary fight against the gok gok was considered to be russian empire after that soviet
00:34:41.940union now the putin's russia so gok is always situated in eurasia and also identified with
00:34:50.980Russia and help to Jews to destroy Amalek. And Amalek was the traditional enemy of Jewish people
00:35:01.140before Christ, and its image is applied to the Islamic world. So the fight against Russians0.97
00:35:10.020and Muslims become, in this Scofield Bible, a kind of religious duty of all creatures.
00:35:18.580so that is the total total reduction of the holy scriptures by small and not so much known sect
00:35:27.540but when it was this Schofield bible was distributed among American population this
00:35:33.300difference very few people could make very few people could distinguish between the authentic
00:35:43.380authentic biblical text and this embedded so-called pseudo prophecy inside so i i looked it
00:35:51.540up it's 1909 it was created and you were mentioning gaga magog which is a similarity in christianity
00:35:58.980to slum in basic eschatology do you agree because it is speculated where this will be where these
00:36:04.820two nations will actually be a professor jang speculates that the third rome was in moscow
00:36:11.220but what would you classify as Gog and Magog, Professor Zhang?
00:36:17.780Well, I mean, so first of all, I want to point out that there were three major events
00:36:25.700that led to Christian Zionism, right? So 1899 is when Theodore Herzl wrote his book,
00:36:31.540calling for a Jewish state. Then 1909 is the Schofield Bible, and in 1914, I believe,
00:36:37.460was the buffalo declaration okay so this all all these things happen very quickly
00:36:41.300when they basically would spend like 10 20 years um so so i also want to um um go back to professor
00:36:50.820dugan's point about calvinism because calvinism is still in america but it's called like the gospel
00:36:56.180of wealth um as practiced by people like paula white who is the spiritual advisor to donald
00:37:00.820Okay, so Calvinism is still very much alive and powerful in America. And if you look at Calvinism,
00:37:09.060the underlying emotions driving Calvinism are fear and anxiety. And as Professor Dugan
00:37:15.460mentions, this was against the traditional religious practice of other traditions where
00:37:21.620emphasis is on harmony, on balance, on happiness, on your relationship with God.
00:37:27.220and now Calvinism because Calvinism it's really about fear and anxiety so another way of saying
00:37:31.620this is that the underlying emotions of America are fear and anxiety and you can see that in
00:37:36.260in American society today where even though America is the wealthiest society ever in human history
00:37:41.540an average like an average middle-class American lives better than the Roman Emperor
00:37:45.780and yet America is still one of the most depressed societies in human history one of the most
00:37:51.140medicated and one of the most polarized. So if you really want to transform America,
00:37:57.940you have to go to the at the root of what's causing this fear and anxiety, which is as
00:38:03.300Professor Dugan points out, it is basically the Calvinist tradition. And so if America is to
00:38:11.940redeem itself or America is to become stronger, then it needs to go back to Christianity and0.75
00:38:17.220re-examine um it's the basic principles by which america is is um is built but to answer your
00:38:25.220question what is what is gog and magog what what seems um um from what's happening and i think
00:38:32.660professor dugan would agree with me is that gog and magog is being interpreted as persia and russia
00:38:39.860okay so they will inevitably fight in the near future and sometimes you speculate that it's
00:38:44.820around 200 years i mean it's it's still undetermined we can't figure that out completely so
00:38:51.300is it safe to say professor jang that christian zionism or even on a broader scale
00:38:58.260evangelical christianity is just a tool of zionism um well well you could also make the argument that
00:39:09.460zionism is a tool of christian zionists so what i think happened was that these secret societies
00:39:16.820freemasons were infiltrated by caballus so basically something frankis and then this
00:39:24.260created christian zionism which then in order to achieve its eschatology created zionism
00:39:30.900um um with uh so she basically sponsored uh theater herself um book so theater herself was
00:39:39.440not a well-known person he was a journalist in germany but he had access to british royalty
00:39:44.400and so i i think that's actually the chain of chain of events you have you have the 17 frankis
00:39:50.680then you have the freemasons which then became infiltrated by the um frankis which created
00:39:56.480christian zionism and then christian zionist went on to conquer america or the founding fathers were
00:40:02.960were freemasons and capitalists and then um eventually you have the creation of zionism
00:40:10.560there was something really interesting i saw yesterday i saw these chinese children speaking0.52
00:40:14.640to a western journalist and they were asking him do americans eat people because we heard that
00:40:20.560epstein eats people in america so it's funny that the stereotype for so long you know i'm half
00:40:26.760filipino myself we grew up hearing from americans that asians eat dogs and now we're hearing chinese
00:40:31.680children say americans eat people i'm wondering what the similarities are what the ideas in china
00:40:39.220are about zionism but also what's the ideas about zionism in russia i want to ask you alexander
00:40:44.980Dugan it's very different it seems like from an American perspective it seems like Russians have
00:40:51.300a separate relationship and Putin is not as clear from what I understand and it doesn't seem like
00:40:58.860the same problem Elsa you have different Bolshevik history what's the Russian relationship with
00:41:04.240Zionism so first of all when we speak about Christian Zionism Jewish Zionism we need as well
00:41:13.080to mention so-called pseudo messiahs of Jewish history, starting from Bar Kokhba and this
00:41:24.760Sabata Ytsevi, Jacob Leiber Frank. And interesting that the Christian Zionism in the earliest0.57
00:41:34.280earliest stage what was before Nelson Derby and Plymouth Brethren but that was started with the
00:41:45.960so-called fifth monarchism and that was idea that the traditional Rome is over and there is the fifth
00:41:57.000global empire and oliver cromwell or was considered to be this global emperor by this fifth monarchist
00:42:08.200around him and at the same time manasseh ben israel the jewish rabbi rabbi in dutch uh he has
00:42:18.360said that that was not anglo-saxon uh global empire but fifth monarchy will be jewish when
00:42:26.440the jews of all the world will come to the palestine and they will establish this uh
00:42:33.320global global empire that is precisely the first version of modern days netanyahu
00:42:43.080or or smotrich the greater israel so that was planned in the same time in the 17th century
00:42:53.560precisely in amsterdam around the dutch dutch protestants and from this circle uh john locke
00:43:01.800has taken many his inspiration so so every everything is um is linked there but i think
00:43:09.560that concerning russian orthodox church russian orthodox church has nothing comparable with
00:43:18.520christian zionism of protestantism we uh we are not against uh judaism but we consider that very
00:43:27.080special very separate branch of of the uh of the faith different totally and uh there are so many
00:43:38.680many texts of russian elders christian authorities christian orthodox alter authorities they
00:43:46.440prevented that the antichrist will come from judaism so they will be arrogant people uh
00:43:56.360trying to impose their global global rule and they will be antichrists and so the more or less the
00:44:04.760same uh was concerning concerning uh christian uh zionists and protestants or calvinists so we uh
00:44:15.480never um russian traditional christian orthodox russian never considered um judaism as a lie
00:44:25.560or jews to be today after christ choosing people they were and we were so we were
00:44:34.360affirmed that um you know they uh they were uh the um uh chosen people and that was true
00:44:45.880truth but when christ came he has accepted all the other all the other people embraced them
00:44:55.560and it is new israel new israel is christian church so after that the chosen one are all
00:45:03.240the humanity all the people uh who uh who should accept the knowledge and the new uh and use the
00:45:13.160good news of Christ. And the small group of Jews who still insist now, insist on their0.94
00:45:25.760chosenness, they are a kind of matrix of antichrist. So that is our traditional religion, religious1.00
00:45:33.740general attitude. So I think that Putin is very pragmatic. Stalin was communist. He was not
00:45:41.540christian believers so he considered that israel modern days israel could be a kind of tool to
00:45:50.340promote socialism and communism in the middle east after that uh that wasn't the case and the judy uh
00:45:59.860jewish state the israel uh has changed uh this relation and adhered uh to the capitalist camp
00:46:09.220And after that started some ideological tension between Soviet Union and Israel, but no theological
00:46:18.900basis was then. And Putin is pragmatic leader. He is considered by us, by Christian Orthodox,
00:46:27.300as a very special historic person that embodied the catechonic function, so idea
00:46:35.540to be the keeper in the front of Antichrist.
00:46:40.660We project on him our Christian eschatological orthodox vision,
00:46:50.160but he behaves much more on the pragmatic.
00:46:56.100So we have not until now the direct confrontation with Israel.
00:47:02.180The Judaism is considered, as in Iran,
00:47:04.840The traditional belief, traditional faith in Russia with zero, zero pressure. So that was a minority faith that is guarded by the state.0.80
00:47:18.500But what I could assure you that neither Putin, nor Russian government, nor Russian society has any feature similar to the Christian Zionism.
00:47:36.760It is about realism. It is about respect to the different faiths. And we see now that geopolitically
00:47:46.520Israel becomes more and more aggressive element to destroy our allies, to undermine the harmony
00:47:55.080and the peace in the Middle East. But we blame much more American hegemony than Zionism. But now
00:48:03.720this collusion this collusion between christian zionism of trump with its aggressivity with this
00:48:10.920hegemony with this imperialism with this radical anti-christian elements you have mentioned
00:48:17.720and collusion with this radical aggressive uh jewish uh israeli zionism that uh0.55
00:48:26.840is seen by our society as the confirmation of the fears and predictions of our elders,
00:48:36.900Christian Orthodox elders, because it becomes more and more, it looks like antichrists,
00:48:46.580including this posting of Trump or this sacrilegious affirmation, this idea that Trump is God,0.62
00:48:55.500trump is pope trump is saying and he's refuse to swear on the bible on the second presidential
00:49:04.540term so so many elements now so um show that we are dealing with some eschatological um moment
00:49:16.940in in the history not we don't want that we we don't insist on that putin prefers to understand
00:49:25.100their political reality in geopolitical realist realist terms but we couldn't could not prevent
00:49:34.060to see behind these events the a very alternative scenario so this is a opportunity to see if
00:49:43.180there's some back and forth here between you two uh professor jang i don't know if you've heard
00:49:48.700about professor dugan's theory on the eurasia unity is this something that chinese people are
00:49:56.700aware of or speak about do you think that there are similarities between the two nations and
00:50:02.620something that there could be unity on right so an alternative to um american hegemony is maybe
00:50:12.540eurasian unity right especially between russia china and iran so if these three nations are
00:50:19.420able to create a trade block with breaks as a framework then this could easily extend to europe
00:50:27.020and to africa to the rest of southeast asia and in this formulation there would be no one great power
00:50:36.860right china talks about the gold corridor which is this blockchain like
00:50:44.140gold-based financial system where gold is stored in different vaults across eurasia
00:50:51.820and this becomes the basis of a new financial system and this is all plausible um and um and
00:50:59.020i think this could be very good the problem is that um this would basically bankrupt america
00:51:06.460because america is a financial ponzi scheme it's 39 trillion dollars in debt and if people stop
00:51:12.140buying u.s treasuries then america would collapse there would be absolutely nowhere to finance the
00:51:17.58039 trillion dollar debt um you would have economic collapse uh civil war and um so america right now
00:51:26.060is basically fighting for its life in iran so you can make the argument that america has no choice
00:51:31.340but to fight this war in Iran to prevent a Eurasian movement from arising.
00:51:36.720I liked the theory. Obviously, I don't think you believe it because Trump seems like he's going
00:51:42.440through some sort of manic episode or demonic possession right now. But there's some theory
00:51:46.400that it's a 5D chess move. And he's fighting this war in Iran specifically to push the focus from
00:51:53.560the Middle East and getting oil through the Strait of Hormuz into the Western Hemisphere and relying
00:51:59.780upon oil from Venezuela or Canada. And this is why he's trying to, you know, he wants to invade0.64
00:52:05.080Greenland and he's going to block the trade routes and the sea route. So the focus can now be here
00:52:11.220where we have more protection because America, we're here surrounded by the Pacific ocean and
00:52:16.040the Atlantic ocean. Is there some sort of basis in that claim? Because I think Alexander Dugan
00:52:23.320follows the belief that the Ukraine war was, you are a massive supporter of this war,0.94
00:52:28.040but also i've seen in your lecture professor jang that the ukraine war was beneficial for
00:52:33.920russia's economy they got to strengthen their military and because so much military equipment
00:52:38.640has been produced they get to make a lot of money and overall russia benefited greatly
00:52:44.680so um i've made the argument that um trump does have a plan and basically it's a great something
00:52:54.120called the greater north america which is something that peter hegstaff has also talked about
00:52:57.640where america has control over um greenland canada mexico venezuela colombia cuba nicaragua
00:53:07.560honduras um and because greater north america is so wealthy and it's so huge basically basically
00:53:15.980becomes a continental fortress and it's allowed to trade its resources with the rest of the world
00:53:22.380and this will allow america to sustain its 39 trillion dollar debt they call it a technate
00:53:28.940um um and and and this makes a lot of sense uh geopolitically you basically go and destroy the
00:53:35.520gcc uh qatar saudi arabia um which which fuels europe and east asia they know they don't have
00:53:42.840access to oil but their entire economies are based on cheap energy and so they're now forced
00:53:47.780to pivot to North America, which is the only supplier
00:53:51.600now that the entire Middle East is in flames.
00:53:54.480What's also been happening is that the American Navy
00:53:56.620has been targeting Russian shadow fleet tankers.
00:54:00.460So basically committing acts of piracy.
01:09:29.580Caesar and a great grand patriarch. That is not just religion. That is more than religion. That is kind of political theology. And that is accepted somehow in Russia.
01:09:45.580So other minorities as Islam or Judaism or Buddhism,
01:09:51.640including different small confessions,
01:09:56.140they are accepted traditional, only traditional.
01:09:59.220Traditional confessions, traditional religions
01:10:04.060are accepted, but they don't play any political role.
01:10:09.060role. So, their power is limited to their respective communities. And Lubavitchers,
01:10:18.040they exist in that. They suffer no pressure, neither political nor social. So, they are totally
01:10:27.980free as all other representatives of traditional confessions and traditional religions in Russia.
01:10:35.560So when they say that Putin is manipulated by them, that is totally fake news.
01:10:43.720So Putin is motivated by interests of Russia.0.76
01:19:11.180Right. I want to get to Ukraine war with Russia here.0.98
01:19:15.860But first, I want to see, Professor Zhang, if you have any major points of contention with Professor Dugan and maybe Russia in general.
01:19:25.560if alexander dugan actually is the brains behind modern russia what is your major grievance with
01:19:33.800the modern russian empire or anything that alexander dugan has said so far or from what
01:19:39.960you've seen beforehand right so i have quite a few questions um my first question is i don't really
01:19:48.360fully understand the concept of the catacomb right because the catacomb is the force that keeps the
01:19:53.320antichrist at bay but if the antichrist system is arising and it is going to consume the world
01:20:04.360anyway my question is why stop it rather than just let it consume the world um and then from that
01:20:13.000seek salvation redemption like i really don't understand the concept of a catacomb
01:20:17.320So, thank you. That is very deep question. So, first of all, catechon, it is traditional Christian Orthodox concept, and it is linked not only to the church, but to the state as well.
01:20:31.560So, the catechon was considered to be the Roman Empire, and in our case, we consider ourselves to be the heirs of the Byzantine Empire after its fall.
01:20:45.660and so third role so our role on the global map of the end of the time it is catechonic it is
01:20:56.680catechon to be to play the role of the sacred christian orthodox empire or state sacred state
01:21:05.860empire in the in the sense of the sacred state sacred political entity in order to prevent
01:30:34.200and concentrate, they promise to concentrate
01:30:37.440on domestic affairs and to restore traditional values.
01:30:42.440And we have decided maybe God has given the American people one chance more because you are never Antichrist will come if you not welcome him, if you not call for him, if you don't invite him previously.
01:31:02.960So in order to be possessed by a demon, you should say, yes, come in, you are welcome, enter in myself.
01:31:10.560But if enough people in America, and I believe there are many millions, maybe tenth of millions of normal American people who don't welcome and invite Antichrist themselves, and we are in total solidarity with American people.
01:31:31.540So you can be just anti-Christian West, or you can be humanity, you could be your own society, could be the real humans who choose to stay human, to defend the spiritual identity and your roots, your deep tradition.
01:31:53.680And in that case, you could avoid that. So we will change as well our our predictions or postpone them or delay them or everything depends on the human soul, immortal human soul and human heart.
01:32:11.180One more short follow up question before I go to Professor Zhang. What was the meeting with Putin and Epstein about? Because to push back a little, you are placing all the blame on the Epstein files on America, which is, you know, it's all over the Epstein files. He did live in Manhattan and he had a resort in Palm Beach, Florida, one in New Mexico, and he has ties with the American government.
01:32:35.960but he also seemed to have some sort of russian connection obviously that's overstated in the
01:32:41.240media people like piers morgan did try to insinuate that he was a russian spy which is blatantly
01:32:46.940ignoring all the connections he has with trump with wall street with the rothschilds and with
01:32:52.520so many people in american financial and political elite what was the relationship with putin and
01:32:58.040So, to say the truth, I presume that some quantity of Russian oligarchs and maybe the path, not
01:33:11.160too big path, but path of Russian elites had some connections with the abstain network.
01:33:18.880We need to study that because when we tried to unite with the West and when our government in 90s before declared that we, Russia, we are just the part of the West, this kind of convergency between Western society and Russian economical, political elites started as well.
01:33:44.140So the communication between special services, the oligarchs, they shared their common yachts, their common castles, and there are some cases already investigated in Russia.
01:34:01.740the connections of some people of Russia inside of abstain class,
01:34:10.740But because the West wanted to be something universal,
01:34:16.740we see among abstain people the people from Arab world,0.88
01:34:22.740the rich monarchs or the people of royal family,
01:34:30.740So we see as well there some Russian oligarchs. And that is plague. That is a kind of toxic ambience or illness, sickness that was distributed through different societies in Europe, in America, in the Middle East.0.87
01:34:58.680and it affected Russia and Poland and other countries.0.90
01:35:03.600But the measure of Russian involvement in Epstein class
01:35:10.500is relatively small, not to speak about manipulation.0.59
01:35:15.400We see clearly that is Rothschild's family behind Mossad,
01:35:21.680behind the very deep connections with CIA
01:35:27.040and other secret services of the West.
01:35:30.860But it is absolutely impossible to KGB0.62
01:35:51.900So, it could not dare to start something like that. It is totally defensive. It is on defensive mode. Maybe it is not so good. I would prefer to FSB to act more proactively, not just reaction, but we have what we have.
01:36:13.240We have this defensive attitude toward the West, and that is all.0.82
01:36:19.420So the idea that Russian modern FSB be capable to manipulate the whole West,0.88
01:36:51.320We were totally out of ramp, totally confused during the last 30 years.
01:37:01.060So we're just coming into focus with the reality.0.99
01:37:05.780We were paralyzed and seduced by the West, and now we are coming to our deep identity and roots, and we were totally incapable to manage such huge and evil thing as Epstein class.0.99
01:37:24.720Okay. Professor Zheng, are there any disagreements you have? And what is your perception of what Professor Dugans just said about the relationship that the West has with the Antichrist?0.98
01:37:37.720I mean, I agree overall that Western civilization is based on certain ideas that are anti-human.
01:37:57.580For example, the idea of individuality, the idea of rationality, which is a basis of science, and the idea of consumerism, you know, utilitarianism.
01:38:16.020I think that these ideas have diverged from the classical humanistic tradition, and which is the cause of so much misery and discontent in the world.
01:38:34.260so people just assume that the enlightenment the sonic revolution mark this incredible
01:38:40.020revolution in human affairs and it's what's led to globalization uh the internet um tremendous
01:38:47.220wealth creation um you know space travel but at the same time we have to look at human psychology
01:38:55.140and how miserable people are and how hopeless uh and helpless people feel uh nowadays and
01:39:04.260this this is an idea that i've been struggling with um a long long time but i think that where
01:39:10.740professor dugan and i will have some differences is that um for a lot of people this system
01:39:20.820is extremely attractive and they will fight to the death to maintain this system.0.56
01:39:29.380So I feel that in Russia there's just more urgency to fight the Antichrist but
01:39:40.260maybe in more materialistic societies such as China it's really a question of like how do you
01:39:46.500maintain this system because it's brought so much happiness and prosperity to so many people right
01:39:52.820so chinese like to say that um after china opened up to the world um billions of people were lifted
01:40:00.100out of poverty so you've never seen before so much wealth creation so i wonder um how attractive
01:40:08.260this idea of the antichrist and trying to stop the antichrist how how attractive it is to people
01:40:17.680i wonder if given a choice how many people will choose to resist um and um yeah how many people
01:40:29.520choose to resist so i think you do point out the despair underlying despair not to make it doom and
01:40:36.460gloom, but many people are feeling exactly what you just described. I just did a podcast with
01:40:43.360Bradley Martin yesterday, and he was saying how exhausted he feels now. And he reminded me of the
01:40:48.760last stream we did, Professor Jang, where we both agreed that the new strategy seems to not be
01:40:54.580blatant censorship, but flooding an algorithm with tons of information all at once. So the truth is
01:41:00.960out there more than it ever has been. It's been readily available, but it's mixed up with so much
01:41:07.280anger and negative discourse that people feel drained just looking at it. And so the new tactic
01:41:14.660is not to blatantly censor, but to flood with so much information that you don't have the energy
01:41:20.440to care. I think the Lebanon phenomenon is a perfect example where we just finished seeing0.86
01:41:25.580the genocide in Gaza happen. So now that you see a million people displaced in Lebanon,
01:41:29.740you see villages wiped out so many people in america just don't have the energy to even care
01:41:35.880they used to care about epsin and then he became a meme maybe that was intelligence agency pushing
01:41:41.200this to try to normalize it but people have too many things at once to care about not only that
01:41:48.660in their personal lives they have to care about their job they have to care about their debt
01:41:52.060what do you think are the solutions how do we push this in the right direction because
01:41:56.780it's too defeatist i believe to just blatantly say the west is the antichrist and there's no
01:42:04.820actual way out there's got to be some light at the end of the tunnel correct
01:42:09.480i i think having these sort of debates and discussions is really key um so i really enjoyed
01:42:19.580hearing professor dugan's perspective so thank you so much nico for saying this up you know um
01:42:24.920you know and I'm really sympathetic towards his his viewpoints and I feel you know rather than
01:42:31.500just name callings and saying you know I'm a CCC spy and Professor Dugan is a KGB spy even though
01:42:38.320the KGB doesn't exist anymore I think it's really important to have these transnational you know
01:42:46.000international conversations where different perspectives are brought together and and where
01:42:50.640there's rigorous debate and unfortunately you know people are so used to name calling
01:42:56.900people are so used to ad hominem attacks and we have to return to a tradition where
01:43:02.640ideas are given the proper space to flourish and you do that by engaging in debate and discussion
01:43:12.720with people who you don't agree with but who are open to debate and discussion
01:43:18.440absolutely i think this was uh it's pretty interesting this panel has a lot of different
01:43:23.160perspectives and although we perhaps could have went a little more into eschatology we did cover
01:43:29.400a lot of the points in the powerpoint i think we there was a good summary of a lot of different
01:43:34.840world events and what's happening around you know if you're representing russia uh if you're
01:43:41.320representing china and over here if i'm representing america or islam whatever people want to say i
01:43:46.120I think this was a very interesting dialogue,
01:43:48.560and I appreciate the both of you for coming on,
01:46:54.800We could say yes to cataconic mission unconsciously or consciously, and we could say no, we prefer to abstain civilization. Maybe we will not be eaten finally, and we will be among those who were invited to eat children.
01:47:15.220so uh it is uh just hope of of the people or of the humanity of the society and this decision is
01:47:25.700always always free and that i think is the chance for america so uh if you prefer to be on the side
01:47:34.420of god we will decide with your demonic elite and you will you will yourself
01:47:44.740will deal with this satanic anti-christian elite because because it is not about the majority of0.75
01:47:52.500normal the good and just american people it is just about hijacking your idea hijacking your
01:47:59.860your soul and pushing it into the abyss it is not your choice it is just that violence against you
01:48:09.380and the same violence we feel by this materialism but the attraction to the worldly worldly worldly
01:48:18.500values in spite of the spiritual values i think something like that maybe here i'm not expert
01:48:24.980maybe something like that we could trace as well in chinese society because accepting so many
01:48:32.020aspects of western civilization maybe china is somehow undermines its own traditional0.58
01:48:40.820values so we see this huge i mean perfect technologically perfect incredible futuristic
01:48:47.700cities with uh no no children uh on the street so the people are individualistic they are prosperous
01:48:56.740they are chinese they are they are proud to be uh chinese patriots so they they share totally this
01:49:04.340uh the common common ideas but they are they are lost some sometimes psychologically lost because
01:49:12.580the west is toxic somehow so you could accept and transform trans some substitute trans substance0.55
01:49:22.180some uh elements of this uh western materialist and capitalist poison but there are some measure0.53
01:49:29.700and if you overcome it uh their situation could be be different so i have the great
01:49:36.260hope in chinese culture and chinese future that is amazing amazing how you could uh
01:49:43.220cut you how you could uh combine uh the traditional values with material technological
01:49:50.420prosperity it is amazing that that is something this miracle so i admire that but i i i can see
01:49:58.580that maybe it will be moment to pay for that so if you take too much poison it will affect you
01:50:08.820sooner or later but it is up to you to decide or the measure and i think that is totally you are
01:50:16.100free too chinese are free americans are free russian every muslim are totally free you can say
01:50:23.860i am for that you can i accept you can say i deny and nobody could uh uh or oblige us to make not
01:50:33.860free decision that was my favorite point of yours today uh professor dugan saying that it's up to
01:50:39.940you to allow the demon to enter i think that's a important fact to remember thank you so much
01:50:46.660to the both of you for coming on i greatly appreciate this conversation and professor
01:50:51.620jang tomorrow we're supposed to speak with uh professor morandi correct yep yep absolutely so
01:50:58.340so so what time i don't hear the confirmation from him i need to check i'll make sure to email
01:51:05.900it to you i know it's very late over there in beijing it's about uh it's about it's like almost
01:51:10.32011 p.m for you right uh yes that's right yes so yeah he i still need to hear the response from
01:51:16.820him i'll try to get it around the same time so probably morning for you is better so yeah
01:51:21.200yeah iran time is a little bit different what time is it in are you in moscow for us again
01:51:26.300yeah so it must be very late over there six o'clock uh six o'clock uh and in iran i presume
01:51:34.280in iran there is uh uh seven and a half something like that now so i'll try to get it if professor
01:51:42.600morandi can't come would you like to speak to dave smith yeah absolutely yeah i mean he's trying
01:51:48.660i mean like like yeah okay so that will i'll message both of them and i'll email you hope
01:51:55.880you get some rest thank you so much uh this was a great conversation and i'll speak to you guys
01:52:00.660soon thank you god bless okay bye bye bye thank you so much