SHNEAKO - SNEAKO X Professor Jiang X Aleksandr Dugin ｜ Full Interview

00:00:00.000 how you doing alexander hey hello hello hi hey great to hear from you do you hear me yes

00:00:08.000 hear loud and clear can you hear us right great great perfect excellent all right just want to

00:00:15.840 make sure that we have everything set up here uh professor jeng should i have the uh the

00:00:21.920 document you sent me earlier yes yes that is uh professor dugan's uh powerpoint and i think it'd

00:00:28.480 be a good framework for discussion. Okay. Do you think that it's worth screen sharing or

00:00:34.720 privately looking at it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think what we should do is maybe go

00:00:40.480 point by point, slide by slide, because it's very, I mean, it's very broad. And I have some,

00:00:48.480 I've certain questions for Professor Dugan in his PBT. Okay. It is up to you to decide. I just,

00:00:56.800 I just have sensed that in order to show a kind of context of approach to the end time problem in

00:01:08.000 four different traditions. In dispensationalism, Protestant, American, in Zionist, in Shia,

00:01:19.360 and islamic in general and in russian orthodox so it could be of use or maybe not so it is up to you

00:01:28.080 to decide how use it you we can show that we can we can not show that so it's up to you if it will

00:01:38.560 be useful we could uh make appeal to these slides okay let me try to bring it on the zoom i've

00:01:48.960 haven't done this before um yeah i look got the chance to look through it yesterday i thought it's

00:01:54.000 uh it's a pretty straightforward document and i think it has a good frame of discussion here

00:02:01.440 so yeah absolutely and once again i want to thank you both for taking the time to

00:02:07.200 come on here today i greatly appreciate this there's been a lot of anticipation

00:02:11.440 for this stream and i'm sure it's going to be an interesting conversation thanks so much for coming

00:02:16.560 on well thank you so much for hosting thank you thank you very much for inviting us and proposing

00:02:24.240 your platform for this discussion so i'm at your disposal so i have uh the pair of hours dedicated

00:02:31.920 totally to that maybe more if it is possible so it is unlimited on my side i would say okay sounds

00:02:40.560 great and I want to see side-by-side I think I'm trying to share it with so

00:02:49.380 that we could see also the cameras can you why are you able to see it or yeah

00:02:55.140 yes I see I can die myself also

00:02:59.960 oh here we go I could see it like this all right so let's start this discussion with this

00:03:13.180 PowerPoint here so it's a it seems like it covers a lot of the basics of eschatology

00:03:18.660 and this is something that I'm Muslim so this is pretty standard for us to all know but this

00:03:26.320 something that a professor jang has detailed extensively throughout his lectures and i think

00:03:30.840 that he shows the similarities and the overlapping themes and different fates and eschatology but

00:03:37.360 also the major differences and how you can pinpoint what's happening in the world geopolitically

00:03:42.380 and see that there's an overarching theme and that it all goes back to eschatological beliefs

00:03:50.280 correct yes um so i would also make the point that um you know so i really got into geopolitics

00:04:01.900 and eschatology because i read a professor dugan's book um the foundations of geopolitics

00:04:07.040 which i highly recommend i i think it is the most important geopolitical book uh in our modern era

00:04:14.360 and the thing to understand about eschatology is that behind eschatology is also national character

00:04:20.640 the soul of a nation and that's why eschatology is so important because eschatology is just the

00:04:28.140 expression of your national soul okay do you have major disagreements and well first off how well

00:04:37.780 do you know each other? It's our first time. Okay. So can I ask you, Alexander Dugan, or if I'll just

00:04:48.480 call you Professor Dugan, what is your analysis of Professor Zhang's lectures and what do you

00:04:54.460 think he gets correct and incorrect with eschatology? So first of all, I have many

00:05:01.100 Chinese friends in China huge amount of friends and when I have spoken when I was speaking to them

00:05:11.420 I have remarked that almost nobody nobody knew anything about eschatology so that Chinese

00:05:20.540 culture is very particular in my opinion in my opinion it is very balanced that Confucianist

00:05:27.980 The balance between male and female, between yin and yang.

00:05:34.900 So that is the harmony that prevails.

00:05:37.720 So it is not about time, not about history, not about final combat, final battle,

00:05:43.300 but more than that, about how we need to make things to be very, very peaceful way in harmony.

00:05:54.400 And my very, very good friends in China, they always asked me, what is going on in the Middle East? What is about this Zionism? Why there is so importance to have greater Israel? Why it's so important to be dispensationalist in Protestant circles, in evangelicals? 0.52

00:06:21.580 So, and as well, they didn't understand Russian catechonic idea, our eschatology.

00:06:28.080 And after that, after having very good and friendful discussions with my Chinese friends,

00:06:36.260 I have, it seems that it was on your stream, Sniko.

00:06:42.320 So I have remarked that unique Chinese men who had shown very deep understanding of eschatology, of this end time concept in the context of Judaism, of Zionism, and Shia and Islamic tradition.

00:07:05.540 And I was very, very astonished because, in my opinion, that was the first and maybe unique Chinese scholar of such serious level who easily understands this very special, special subject of world politics.

00:07:30.300 And I was very, very glad and now I'm very happy to speak with unique Chinese scholar who has shown such deep engagement in the studies of eschatology.

00:07:46.140 So, first of all, for example, nobody, very few people speaks today about Sabata Itzevi, Jacob Leiber Frank, about this kind of eschatological Kabbalah of Natan, of Gaza,

00:08:08.500 And this metaphysical vision of Kabbalistic eschatology and how it resonates, how it is reflected on the modern days global politics and geopolitics.

00:08:22.680 So Professor Jiang is unique, it is an exception. There are some people in Russia who understand that, not many, but there are, but absolutely nobody in China.

00:08:35.420 so that i was very very uh very interested and i i have i have seen i have watched many many other

00:08:44.300 videos about predictions about uh uh game theory uh about as well about um greek uh antiquity

00:08:55.980 because i have made also my classes dedicated to the classical tragedy tragedy of ancient greeks

00:09:03.420 So I was very, very astonished by the similarity of many points, many approaches and the depth of the knowledge of Professor Jiang about the thing that most, mostly Chinese scholars ignore or could not grasp.

00:09:24.420 Maybe they lack, the majority lack this radical feeling of the end of something, of some irreversible, something linear, the linear time, irreversible fight between good and evil. 0.93

00:09:39.260 it is everything it is not to to chinese so but we are living in the world with china cosmos china 0.94

00:09:48.460 chinese universe and other universe universe american universe islamic universe universe

00:09:56.380 russian universe so in order to to to understand better each other we need to get deep in the

00:10:03.580 their respective traditions. Maybe these traditions could be close to us or far from us, but we should

00:10:13.060 pay some efforts to understand better each other. Absolutely. And, well, I have a couple questions

00:10:21.640 for you, Alexander. I wanted to figure out more about your belief system, because I saw some

00:10:28.560 people are reporting that you have esoteric traditions, or some are saying that you're

00:10:32.820 orthodox christian it's hard to pinpoint exactly what it is so in your own words what would you

00:10:38.140 classify your belief system as and before you answer people are asking in the chat what eschatology is

00:10:43.320 uh maybe professor jang could quickly describe it the best way but i would just say

00:10:48.060 end times philosophy right so um eschatology comes from the greek word eschaton which means

00:10:57.220 the end. So the word literally means the study of the end. And what eschatology often refers to

00:11:05.300 is each religious tradition's understanding of the end point of history. Why are we here? Where

00:11:13.420 are we going? Where do we come from? And the idea of eschatology is to figure out the point at which

00:11:22.480 god um and man reunifies which which brings about the end end of history so so that's the uh general

00:11:29.940 idea okay and obviously professor jang is i don't want to misclassify your belief system but last

00:11:38.280 time we spoke a little bit about gnosticism i saw recently on the patrick david show you said at the

00:11:44.860 end that you pray to god so i would maybe say that it's general gnosticism but not specific to one

00:11:50.980 theology is that correct yeah so for most of my life um i'm atheist in china is an atheist society

00:11:58.420 i didn't grow up with any uh atheist tradition so i didn't go with any religious tradition

00:12:03.480 and quite honestly um i've had um i was very skeptical towards religion all my life

00:12:09.900 especially towards christianity um but these past two years because i've been

00:12:14.920 deep in the study of eschatology, the Kabbalah, geopolitics, I'm starting to develop a more

00:12:22.660 Gnostic framework. But I would not say that I have one religious loyalty.

00:12:28.220 I could find a similarity. I think learning more about Epstein back in 2019 helped steer me in the

00:12:33.700 direction of trying to find some sense of good because there's so much evil. And obviously,

00:12:39.320 Alexander Dugan just spelled out how you speak about

00:12:43.160 Sabbatai Zevi, which is not often mentioned.

00:12:47.060 This is what's going to be in the direction to look into faith. But can I ask you

00:12:51.340 specifically, Professor Dugan, so what would you classify your faith as?

00:12:56.520 So first of all,

00:12:57.800 I'm a Christian Orthodox.

00:13:02.100 So I'm Orthodox Christian, and that defines

00:13:05.960 in what I believe. That is my confession, that is my church, that is my religious doctrine and

00:13:14.900 everything I could say outside of the context, it is about status. It is not about recognition

00:13:24.920 of my own faith. My own personal and Russian faith is precisely Christian Orthodox religion.

00:13:34.840 So I believe it is the only truth. So in that sense, I'm a believer, normal Christian Orthodox believer. But at the same time, I'm very interested by different other spiritual traditions.

00:13:52.340 And in that sense, philosophically, I am a traditionalist.

00:13:57.640 What means to be a traditionalist?

00:14:00.340 So I am following the spiritual philosophy of René Guénon, who converted him to Islam, that is, great French philosopher, and his disciples, for example, Julius Evele and many others, Titus Barckhardt, Fritjof Schoen, and the others.

00:14:19.340 This philosophical approach considers the modernity to be anti-tradition.

00:14:29.300 So modern world, it is not just development, not just progress, but quite opposite.

00:14:35.200 That is decline. That is a fall.

00:14:38.580 And this traditionalist philosophy could be applied to Islam, as in the case of Genome himself,

00:14:46.880 to Confucianism, to Taoism, to Christianity, as was the case of many of his disciples,

00:14:56.860 Jean Bies and many others, and myself, in the case of Christian Orthodox Church.

00:15:04.520 But as well, I have met, for example, some people among Jews,

00:15:11.360 a judaic judaic kabbalist kabbalist who followed get known followed again on so you could be

00:15:20.320 ginonian to in different in different religions you could disagree uh with some political or

00:15:29.200 eschatological precisely issues but the main the main thing we share all the traditionalists

00:15:38.160 we share this refusal of the western modernity so we can accept different traditions but we

00:15:45.760 consider the modernity to be absolutely wrong right atheism realism progressism uh enlightenment

00:15:54.160 all that things are totally totally evil so that but uh trying to to develop my own understanding

00:16:04.080 of what are different traditions different than mine than christian orthodox i have studied as

00:16:12.480 well the kabbalah the judaism islam shia mishrak tradition christianity of of catalithism of

00:16:24.160 protestantism and many other hinduism for example buddhism and confucianism and taoism all that

00:16:32.640 gnosticism including some counter tradition counter spiritual uh forms of tradition all that

00:16:40.880 is the part of this study but my confession my my my only position uh as believer so i believe

00:16:49.600 in absolute truth of christian orthodox doctrine right i think you you gave a good segue for what

00:16:57.600 i can relate to what's happened recently i'm sure professor jang you saw this as well

00:17:01.680 Well, so yesterday was Orthodox Easter, if I'm not mistaken.

00:17:06.360 I think the week before was Catholic Easter.

00:17:08.640 And Donald Trump recently posted, well, something interesting on both Sundays.

00:17:13.020 On Easter Sunday, he said, praise be to Allah, open up the effing straight. 0.67

00:17:17.560 This is on Catholic Easter.

00:17:19.220 And then yesterday, first he posts a long paragraph about the Pope.

00:17:23.520 And he says, the Pope is very weak on crime.

00:17:27.000 This is not a joke.

00:17:27.900 He says the Pope is weak on crime.

00:17:29.540 And then afterwards, he posts an AI image of himself with his face on Jesus, and he's putting his hand on what looks like a, to me, it looked like Jeffrey Epstein.

00:17:40.780 And in the back, it looks like a Roman god, Libertas, the Statue of Liberty goddess.

00:17:44.960 Some people are saying that that's Malak flying in the sky, and that was also altered.

00:17:48.740 My point is, when I announced this stream, speaking with Professor Zhang and Alexander Dugan, to be perfectly honest, it went all over Twitter.

00:17:58.000 and people were saying,

00:17:59.500 Stiko is speaking to a CCP propagandist

00:18:02.940 and a KGB propagandist.

00:18:04.200 He's speaking to China and Russian spies.

00:18:07.260 And they started saying,

00:18:08.060 here they are to talk about

00:18:09.300 how Western valleys are decaying.

00:18:11.440 And I thought, okay, well,

00:18:13.060 they're going to criticize this.

00:18:15.080 They're going to say that there shouldn't be

00:18:16.600 some sort of foreign influence.

00:18:17.800 Well, our entire political lobby 1.00

00:18:20.700 has been infiltrated by Zionists. 1.00

00:18:22.800 Very clearly, everybody, it seems like, 0.84

00:18:25.720 has dual allegiance to Israel, first off.

00:18:27.600 so there's foreign influence everywhere second off what exactly are western american values how

00:18:33.680 could that be described alexander dugan you i think accurately described it and you spoke to

00:18:39.940 what a lot of people are feeling right now and that the modern western values that we see a lot

00:18:44.120 of people are becoming disillusioned with a lot of people are not happy with what they see and if

00:18:48.080 that is described by what we see in euphoria the new tv show sydney sweetie dressed up like a baby

00:18:53.740 you know doing this weird fetish thing not to make it too disgusting early but what we see

00:18:59.500 everywhere that's promoted in the media and even from our politicians the leader of the free world

00:19:03.500 the commander-in-chief of our military depicting himself as what christians believe to be god

00:19:08.320 this is not what so many people want to sign up to follow what do you think are the main causes

00:19:16.280 of the problems we see with american western values right now maybe we could start with

00:19:21.800 professor jang right so um um i think the root of a problem is 1694 because that is when the bank

00:19:34.400 of england was first chartered and the bank of england the idea was that it would take transnational

00:19:39.720 capital and um lend it to the nation state of england with parliament as the guarantor okay

00:19:47.780 So previously, if you were a king and you wanted to fight a war, you need to hire mercenaries.

00:19:52.900 So you borrowed money from merchants who lent you gold in order to finance the war.

00:19:57.340 The problem with this is that the king may die, you may lose the war, or the king may rig-neck on the contract.

00:20:03.520 So there's high risk for merchants to work with kings.

00:20:07.320 So the Bank of England solved this problem because now Dutch merchants could lend money to England and be guaranteed by parliament, the nation state.

00:20:15.600 And this was a revolution in European affairs, because now England basically had infinite financing.

00:20:23.960 It could fight a war against someone like Napoleon and keep on fighting until Napoleon was finally defeated.

00:20:31.480 So it took six, seven wars, seven wars for Napoleon to be defeated by the British.

00:20:37.000 And the British lost six of these wars.

00:20:39.320 So that's the power of infinite financing created by the Bank of England.

00:20:42.780 It basically created the British Empire.

00:20:45.060 but how do you go about just justifying to people why are you a citizen of england um boring money

00:20:52.900 from these transnational capitalists these merchants and if you can't pay it back your

00:21:00.180 your son your children your grandchildren have to have to pay it back because basically

00:21:03.780 your entire society is indebted to these merchants from overseas we don't know

00:21:08.100 and so they needed to create a system a philosophical system in order to justify

00:21:14.420 this and this is this this is when you have the beginning of what we call modern um

00:21:20.740 british enlightenment civilization okay starting with john locke and the um

00:21:25.620 certification of private property as the highest good as something that is god-given private

00:21:30.260 property right then you have people like david hume which questions the very legitimacy of human

00:21:35.620 intuition and the project of philosophy of the pursuit of truth and you have people like jerry

00:21:41.380 bentham which put utilitarianism as the as the heart and center of society if something is if

00:21:49.060 something brings people pleasure it is fundamentally good something brings people pain it's fundamentally

00:21:55.380 evil and this this is the beginning of what we call a consumer society right where each individual

00:22:00.740 is seeking his or her own pleasure.

00:22:04.840 And you have people like John Stuart Mill,

00:22:06.660 who would take utilitarianism

00:22:08.140 and then create a liberal society

00:22:10.040 based on these principles, okay?

00:22:12.860 So, and then from that, you have Charles Darwin,

00:22:16.580 history of evolution, and Karl Marx.

00:22:20.280 And so, these philosophers together

00:22:24.860 create the framework for Western civilization.

00:22:29.520 And I think that comes afterwards is a byproduct of this philosophy.

00:22:34.860 And Professor Dugan elaborated, if he wants.

00:22:42.880 So I agree.

00:22:44.920 We could continue that.

00:22:49.080 Spencer, social Darwinism, continuation of this Anglo-Saxon liberalism.

00:22:54.480 And Ayn Rand was already the kind of capitalist satanism, so from Ayn Rand to Epstein is only one step, because if you have all the pleasure, the poor will have all the pain.

00:23:16.620 So you should be happy when the other are essentially unhappy.

00:23:22.880 So that is Atlas Shracht, precisely the main message of so-called objectivism.

00:23:29.200 That is finalization of this capitalist logic.

00:23:33.640 But I would start a little before with Calvinism, for example.

00:23:37.500 And Calvinism, I think that was a very special, very non-Christian idea, affirming that there is not afterlife, that the judgment of God is realized already in this life, and to be rich, it is the sign of chosenness.

00:23:57.660 so you are you are chosen so you are rich and you are poor you are damned so orthodox christianity

00:24:05.260 absolutely the deny that christian orthodox christianity affirm that it is not important 0.88

00:24:15.580 to be poor or rich in this world you should be good you should behave with love with compassion

00:24:23.900 with empathy to other people and you will be judged afterwards when Jesus will come again,

00:24:33.100 second coming of Jesus, and he will judge everybody after resurrection. So it is the

00:24:43.420 present earthly life is just a small, small, infinity, small part of the real life of the

00:24:51.580 immortal soul that is normal christian attitude and calvinism was total total denial of these

00:24:59.420 attitudes everything the god uh has knowledge of everything until the end so he could not make

00:25:08.460 uh he could not make uh error mistakes so if you are rich you are chosen you are you are blessed

00:25:15.820 with with the richness that is the the kind of theology the theology of the capitalism and i

00:25:24.140 think that uh max weber has shown that uh in his sociological framework and uh werner somber

00:25:33.420 has developed that so that is the huge tradition not necessary marxist tradition but conservative

00:25:39.660 tradition to criticize these calvinist foundations of the modern uh anglo-saxon capitalism liberalism

00:25:51.100 individualism and that is the problem with united states because when you are in united states and

00:25:57.660 when you want sincerely to return to the traditional values you have nothing but the

00:26:07.980 founder fathers who were calvinists so mayflower was the group of of calvinists

00:26:16.780 fleeing from church of england from anglican church in order to to create totally different

00:26:24.380 kind of culture of society in the new world so that is the problem so for example you personally

00:26:30.700 or some other people if you choose tradition of islam so you have the sacred roots if you

00:26:39.500 choose catholicism may be affected by modernity but not totally modern as protestantism and when

00:26:47.980 you are evangelical or mormon or dispensationalist you are obliged to create something imaginary

00:26:57.580 something completely out of the real relations to the foundations of the ancient roots of

00:27:06.060 christianity of uh so you you lack the sacred roots so because the sacred roots of american

00:27:16.620 civilization belong to the europe belong to the pre pre-colonization time to middle ages and it

00:27:25.020 is very very difficult to restore this link you have mentioned for example libertas statue but

00:27:31.820 that is uh hekata hekate the great great goddess of the hell uh of the ancient greeks why she uh

00:27:42.380 has a torch because she rules in eternal night you you you have not uh you you have not uh

00:27:53.660 any necessity to have the torch in hand in the daylight it is the goddess of the hell of the

00:28:04.300 night and that was more or less the origins of american civilization so it is it is a problem

00:28:10.860 so it is not easy to uh present day american conservatives who are very critical and that is

00:28:21.100 we could understand it very well with modernity with this abstain class with this usurpation of

00:28:27.180 the democracy or this falsehood all that but when you want when you try to get back to your roots

00:28:35.820 to your sources welcome to the calvinist uh heretic group of the founding fathers of some

00:28:44.460 masonry some radicalism of of the sects extremist sex they were not uh zionist christian zionism

00:28:55.020 started precisely in the time of radical enlightenment and and and holland and die

00:29:02.780 among the dutch uh and after that they that came to to to england and with puritans and radical 0.76

00:29:11.260 protestants after that this uh christian zionism emigrated to united states so after that that

00:29:19.340 was the scaffold bible dispensationalism uh plymouth brethren and so on so it is not

00:29:27.500 traditional it is a kind of eschatological heresy and that is the problem metaphysical problem of

00:29:35.100 american people so when you try to get to the roots your roots are rotten from the very beginning

00:29:43.820 so and that demands to to make some extravagant choices for you to to join catholicism to join 0.52

00:29:54.300 islam to join maybe orthodox church so many one of the most most venerable representative of

00:30:03.260 of 20th century Orthodox sainthood is American,

00:30:09.520 is Seraphim Rose.

00:30:11.580 He was naturally born, naturally born American

00:30:16.240 with no tradition.

00:30:17.720 And he has chosen Russian Christian Orthodox Church,

00:30:23.600 and he became almost a saint.

00:30:26.540 For us, that is the cult of him.

00:30:29.660 We consider this American,

00:30:32.120 20th century American modern man,

00:30:34.740 we consider the archetype,

00:30:36.480 the example of the sanctity of holiness

00:30:39.980 in our Christian Orthodox Church.

00:30:42.840 But that as well is a kind of limitation

00:30:46.040 for American choice.

00:30:47.300 So you are obliged somehow to embrace something

00:30:52.340 that could appear to be not too traditional

00:30:56.580 for your society or hinduism or buddhism or islam so uh but when you start to to to to to

00:31:06.020 to become american traditionalist you are either mormon or dispensationalist or christian zionist

00:31:15.380 or calvinist and everything that is really really traditional islam orthodoxy or catholicism

00:31:22.980 becomes a kind of enemy and now we see uh around president trump precisely this fight against

00:31:32.020 everything that still is traditional in united states so uh so that is the problem and i'm not

00:31:40.340 absolutely malzane it is not about about mock at american people but that is strategy a strategy

00:31:48.800 And I think we feel the great content for American people because they became a kind of hostages of this historical, social, economical theology or hostages of this specially and very, very heretic, I would say, eschatology.

00:32:11.460 Right. That makes me understand your idea and how you can relate traditionalism to your theology, which you stated earlier.

00:32:19.980 Well, so what's the solution? You also said that you think American tradition is rotten to the core.

00:32:26.740 And I don't want to believe that. I love this country. I don't want to think that it's all doom and gloom.

00:32:31.800 We've got to provide some hope. But now learning more about what the evangelical sect of Protestantism believes

00:32:38.220 and the fact that they get subverted so easily with this megachurch culture that you can see

00:32:44.880 epic fury and unconditional surrender these giant posters and it gets subverted by these preachers

00:32:51.140 who are clearly in it just for money i could say it's the erica kirk phenomenon right mostly the 0.83

00:32:57.400 boomer class who is the majority of the voting block in america they attend these sort of major

00:33:03.940 stadium-like rituals and they all vote for the same neocons the same evangelicals the same people

00:33:09.220 which you rightly pointed out believe in the schofield bible which uh professor dugan when

00:33:15.940 was the schofield bible written so uh scoffee bible uh that is a kind of uh commentary of

00:33:26.900 very small, small sect founded of Blymouth brothers, founded by British Protestants,

00:33:39.620 and the commentary very, very new and very, very particular sectarian commentaries are embedded

00:33:48.980 in the text of Bible. So when you read the Bible, you could not make great difference between the

00:33:55.540 real holy scripture and this modern commentaries uh explaining that the end fate of the humanity 0.94

00:34:04.660 will be uh will be played in the israel and the jews will will return to their fatherland and all

00:34:15.860 western christianity um protestant christianity should uh defend jews representing different

00:34:24.900 different faith hoping they will convert in the end time into the christianity and that is why

00:34:34.580 it is necessary fight against the gok gok was considered to be russian empire after that soviet

00:34:41.940 union now the putin's russia so gok is always situated in eurasia and also identified with

00:34:50.980 Russia and help to Jews to destroy Amalek. And Amalek was the traditional enemy of Jewish people

00:35:01.140 before Christ, and its image is applied to the Islamic world. So the fight against Russians 0.97

00:35:10.020 and Muslims become, in this Scofield Bible, a kind of religious duty of all creatures.

00:35:18.580 so that is the total total reduction of the holy scriptures by small and not so much known sect

00:35:27.540 but when it was this Schofield bible was distributed among American population this

00:35:33.300 difference very few people could make very few people could distinguish between the authentic

00:35:43.380 authentic biblical text and this embedded so-called pseudo prophecy inside so i i looked it

00:35:51.540 up it's 1909 it was created and you were mentioning gaga magog which is a similarity in christianity

00:35:58.980 to slum in basic eschatology do you agree because it is speculated where this will be where these

00:36:04.820 two nations will actually be a professor jang speculates that the third rome was in moscow

00:36:11.220 but what would you classify as Gog and Magog, Professor Zhang?

00:36:17.780 Well, I mean, so first of all, I want to point out that there were three major events

00:36:25.700 that led to Christian Zionism, right? So 1899 is when Theodore Herzl wrote his book,

00:36:31.540 calling for a Jewish state. Then 1909 is the Schofield Bible, and in 1914, I believe,

00:36:37.460 was the buffalo declaration okay so this all all these things happen very quickly

00:36:41.300 when they basically would spend like 10 20 years um so so i also want to um um go back to professor

00:36:50.820 dugan's point about calvinism because calvinism is still in america but it's called like the gospel

00:36:56.180 of wealth um as practiced by people like paula white who is the spiritual advisor to donald

00:37:00.820 Okay, so Calvinism is still very much alive and powerful in America. And if you look at Calvinism,

00:37:09.060 the underlying emotions driving Calvinism are fear and anxiety. And as Professor Dugan

00:37:15.460 mentions, this was against the traditional religious practice of other traditions where

00:37:21.620 emphasis is on harmony, on balance, on happiness, on your relationship with God.

00:37:27.220 and now Calvinism because Calvinism it's really about fear and anxiety so another way of saying

00:37:31.620 this is that the underlying emotions of America are fear and anxiety and you can see that in

00:37:36.260 in American society today where even though America is the wealthiest society ever in human history

00:37:41.540 an average like an average middle-class American lives better than the Roman Emperor

00:37:45.780 and yet America is still one of the most depressed societies in human history one of the most

00:37:51.140 medicated and one of the most polarized. So if you really want to transform America,

00:37:57.940 you have to go to the at the root of what's causing this fear and anxiety, which is as

00:38:03.300 Professor Dugan points out, it is basically the Calvinist tradition. And so if America is to

00:38:11.940 redeem itself or America is to become stronger, then it needs to go back to Christianity and 0.75

00:38:17.220 re-examine um it's the basic principles by which america is is um is built but to answer your

00:38:25.220 question what is what is gog and magog what what seems um um from what's happening and i think

00:38:32.660 professor dugan would agree with me is that gog and magog is being interpreted as persia and russia

00:38:39.860 okay so they will inevitably fight in the near future and sometimes you speculate that it's

00:38:44.820 around 200 years i mean it's it's still undetermined we can't figure that out completely so

00:38:51.300 is it safe to say professor jang that christian zionism or even on a broader scale

00:38:58.260 evangelical christianity is just a tool of zionism um well well you could also make the argument that

00:39:09.460 zionism is a tool of christian zionists so what i think happened was that these secret societies

00:39:16.820 freemasons were infiltrated by caballus so basically something frankis and then this

00:39:24.260 created christian zionism which then in order to achieve its eschatology created zionism

00:39:30.900 um um with uh so she basically sponsored uh theater herself um book so theater herself was

00:39:39.440 not a well-known person he was a journalist in germany but he had access to british royalty

00:39:44.400 and so i i think that's actually the chain of chain of events you have you have the 17 frankis

00:39:50.680 then you have the freemasons which then became infiltrated by the um frankis which created

00:39:56.480 christian zionism and then christian zionist went on to conquer america or the founding fathers were

00:40:02.960 were freemasons and capitalists and then um eventually you have the creation of zionism

00:40:10.560 there was something really interesting i saw yesterday i saw these chinese children speaking 0.52

00:40:14.640 to a western journalist and they were asking him do americans eat people because we heard that

00:40:20.560 epstein eats people in america so it's funny that the stereotype for so long you know i'm half

00:40:26.760 filipino myself we grew up hearing from americans that asians eat dogs and now we're hearing chinese

00:40:31.680 children say americans eat people i'm wondering what the similarities are what the ideas in china

00:40:39.220 are about zionism but also what's the ideas about zionism in russia i want to ask you alexander

00:40:44.980 Dugan it's very different it seems like from an American perspective it seems like Russians have

00:40:51.300 a separate relationship and Putin is not as clear from what I understand and it doesn't seem like

00:40:58.860 the same problem Elsa you have different Bolshevik history what's the Russian relationship with

00:41:04.240 Zionism so first of all when we speak about Christian Zionism Jewish Zionism we need as well

00:41:13.080 to mention so-called pseudo messiahs of Jewish history, starting from Bar Kokhba and this

00:41:24.760 Sabata Ytsevi, Jacob Leiber Frank. And interesting that the Christian Zionism in the earliest 0.57

00:41:34.280 earliest stage what was before Nelson Derby and Plymouth Brethren but that was started with the

00:41:45.960 so-called fifth monarchism and that was idea that the traditional Rome is over and there is the fifth

00:41:57.000 global empire and oliver cromwell or was considered to be this global emperor by this fifth monarchist

00:42:08.200 around him and at the same time manasseh ben israel the jewish rabbi rabbi in dutch uh he has

00:42:18.360 said that that was not anglo-saxon uh global empire but fifth monarchy will be jewish when

00:42:26.440 the jews of all the world will come to the palestine and they will establish this uh

00:42:33.320 global global empire that is precisely the first version of modern days netanyahu

00:42:43.080 or or smotrich the greater israel so that was planned in the same time in the 17th century

00:42:53.560 precisely in amsterdam around the dutch dutch protestants and from this circle uh john locke

00:43:01.800 has taken many his inspiration so so every everything is um is linked there but i think

00:43:09.560 that concerning russian orthodox church russian orthodox church has nothing comparable with

00:43:18.520 christian zionism of protestantism we uh we are not against uh judaism but we consider that very

00:43:27.080 special very separate branch of of the uh of the faith different totally and uh there are so many

00:43:38.680 many texts of russian elders christian authorities christian orthodox alter authorities they

00:43:46.440 prevented that the antichrist will come from judaism so they will be arrogant people uh

00:43:56.360 trying to impose their global global rule and they will be antichrists and so the more or less the

00:44:04.760 same uh was concerning concerning uh christian uh zionists and protestants or calvinists so we uh

00:44:15.480 never um russian traditional christian orthodox russian never considered um judaism as a lie

00:44:25.560 or jews to be today after christ choosing people they were and we were so we were

00:44:34.360 affirmed that um you know they uh they were uh the um uh chosen people and that was true

00:44:45.880 truth but when christ came he has accepted all the other all the other people embraced them

00:44:55.560 and it is new israel new israel is christian church so after that the chosen one are all

00:45:03.240 the humanity all the people uh who uh who should accept the knowledge and the new uh and use the

00:45:13.160 good news of Christ. And the small group of Jews who still insist now, insist on their 0.94

00:45:25.760 chosenness, they are a kind of matrix of antichrist. So that is our traditional religion, religious 1.00

00:45:33.740 general attitude. So I think that Putin is very pragmatic. Stalin was communist. He was not

00:45:41.540 christian believers so he considered that israel modern days israel could be a kind of tool to

00:45:50.340 promote socialism and communism in the middle east after that uh that wasn't the case and the judy uh

00:45:59.860 jewish state the israel uh has changed uh this relation and adhered uh to the capitalist camp

00:46:09.220 And after that started some ideological tension between Soviet Union and Israel, but no theological

00:46:18.900 basis was then. And Putin is pragmatic leader. He is considered by us, by Christian Orthodox,

00:46:27.300 as a very special historic person that embodied the catechonic function, so idea

00:46:35.540 to be the keeper in the front of Antichrist.

00:46:40.660 We project on him our Christian eschatological orthodox vision,

00:46:50.160 but he behaves much more on the pragmatic.

00:46:54.260 He is a political realist.

00:46:56.100 So we have not until now the direct confrontation with Israel.

00:47:02.180 The Judaism is considered, as in Iran,

00:47:04.840 The traditional belief, traditional faith in Russia with zero, zero pressure. So that was a minority faith that is guarded by the state. 0.80

00:47:18.500 But what I could assure you that neither Putin, nor Russian government, nor Russian society has any feature similar to the Christian Zionism.

00:47:36.760 It is about realism. It is about respect to the different faiths. And we see now that geopolitically

00:47:46.520 Israel becomes more and more aggressive element to destroy our allies, to undermine the harmony

00:47:55.080 and the peace in the Middle East. But we blame much more American hegemony than Zionism. But now

00:48:03.720 this collusion this collusion between christian zionism of trump with its aggressivity with this

00:48:10.920 hegemony with this imperialism with this radical anti-christian elements you have mentioned

00:48:17.720 and collusion with this radical aggressive uh jewish uh israeli zionism that uh 0.55

00:48:26.840 is seen by our society as the confirmation of the fears and predictions of our elders,

00:48:36.900 Christian Orthodox elders, because it becomes more and more, it looks like antichrists,

00:48:46.580 including this posting of Trump or this sacrilegious affirmation, this idea that Trump is God, 0.62

00:48:55.500 trump is pope trump is saying and he's refuse to swear on the bible on the second presidential

00:49:04.540 term so so many elements now so um show that we are dealing with some eschatological um moment

00:49:16.940 in in the history not we don't want that we we don't insist on that putin prefers to understand

00:49:25.100 their political reality in geopolitical realist realist terms but we couldn't could not prevent

00:49:34.060 to see behind these events the a very alternative scenario so this is a opportunity to see if

00:49:43.180 there's some back and forth here between you two uh professor jang i don't know if you've heard

00:49:48.700 about professor dugan's theory on the eurasia unity is this something that chinese people are

00:49:56.700 aware of or speak about do you think that there are similarities between the two nations and

00:50:02.620 something that there could be unity on right so an alternative to um american hegemony is maybe

00:50:12.540 eurasian unity right especially between russia china and iran so if these three nations are

00:50:19.420 able to create a trade block with breaks as a framework then this could easily extend to europe

00:50:27.020 and to africa to the rest of southeast asia and in this formulation there would be no one great power

00:50:36.860 right china talks about the gold corridor which is this blockchain like

00:50:44.140 gold-based financial system where gold is stored in different vaults across eurasia

00:50:51.820 and this becomes the basis of a new financial system and this is all plausible um and um and

00:50:59.020 i think this could be very good the problem is that um this would basically bankrupt america

00:51:06.460 because america is a financial ponzi scheme it's 39 trillion dollars in debt and if people stop

00:51:12.140 buying u.s treasuries then america would collapse there would be absolutely nowhere to finance the

00:51:17.580 39 trillion dollar debt um you would have economic collapse uh civil war and um so america right now

00:51:26.060 is basically fighting for its life in iran so you can make the argument that america has no choice

00:51:31.340 but to fight this war in Iran to prevent a Eurasian movement from arising.

00:51:36.720 I liked the theory. Obviously, I don't think you believe it because Trump seems like he's going

00:51:42.440 through some sort of manic episode or demonic possession right now. But there's some theory

00:51:46.400 that it's a 5D chess move. And he's fighting this war in Iran specifically to push the focus from

00:51:53.560 the Middle East and getting oil through the Strait of Hormuz into the Western Hemisphere and relying

00:51:59.780 upon oil from Venezuela or Canada. And this is why he's trying to, you know, he wants to invade 0.64

00:52:05.080 Greenland and he's going to block the trade routes and the sea route. So the focus can now be here

00:52:11.220 where we have more protection because America, we're here surrounded by the Pacific ocean and

00:52:16.040 the Atlantic ocean. Is there some sort of basis in that claim? Because I think Alexander Dugan

00:52:23.320 follows the belief that the Ukraine war was, you are a massive supporter of this war, 0.94

00:52:28.040 but also i've seen in your lecture professor jang that the ukraine war was beneficial for

00:52:33.920 russia's economy they got to strengthen their military and because so much military equipment

00:52:38.640 has been produced they get to make a lot of money and overall russia benefited greatly

00:52:44.680 so um i've made the argument that um trump does have a plan and basically it's a great something

00:52:54.120 called the greater north america which is something that peter hegstaff has also talked about

00:52:57.640 where america has control over um greenland canada mexico venezuela colombia cuba nicaragua

00:53:07.560 honduras um and because greater north america is so wealthy and it's so huge basically basically

00:53:15.980 becomes a continental fortress and it's allowed to trade its resources with the rest of the world

00:53:22.380 and this will allow america to sustain its 39 trillion dollar debt they call it a technate

00:53:28.940 um um and and and this makes a lot of sense uh geopolitically you basically go and destroy the

00:53:35.520 gcc uh qatar saudi arabia um which which fuels europe and east asia they know they don't have

00:53:42.840 access to oil but their entire economies are based on cheap energy and so they're now forced

00:53:47.780 to pivot to North America, which is the only supplier

00:53:51.600 now that the entire Middle East is in flames.

00:53:54.480 What's also been happening is that the American Navy

00:53:56.620 has been targeting Russian shadow fleet tankers.

00:54:00.460 So basically committing acts of piracy.

00:54:02.560 There was about a week ago,

00:54:04.900 a Ukrainian drone strike on a Russian oil depot,

00:54:09.420 which basically took about 40%

00:54:11.280 of Russian oil exports offline.

00:54:13.700 So you can make the argument that even though Trump is 1.00

00:54:18.740 crazy and he's stupid there are people um there are people um behind him who understand how 1.00

00:54:26.500 geopolitics works and they're trying to transition america from a financial empire into a resource 1.00

00:54:32.020 empire um but uh but but then the question then is how will the rest of the world uh respond

00:54:38.980 because because imagine a situation where america it is integrated north america it's a fortress

00:54:44.340 it's safe and america is conducting all these wars overseas to destabilize the world to force

00:54:49.860 the world to become dependent on american energy american financing american armaments

00:54:56.820 and so the question then is how would the world respond in such a scenario and in the short term

00:55:03.540 i think it's impossible for the world to respond but maybe in the midterm in the long term the

00:55:08.580 world be forced to call less um maybe around russia and china in order to counter greater

00:55:14.420 north america so but but um but i'd be interested in hearing uh professor dukin's perspective please

00:55:22.340 so um it is different difficult to judge uh where uh trump's madness stops and some rationale

00:55:32.900 appears so i could not i could not be expert in that so he seems to be very special psychologically

00:55:43.060 and at the same time we could maybe we couldn't grasp some hidden second plan scenario scenario

00:55:54.740 behind his behavior so i think that maybe trump was chosen as very specific psych psychological

00:56:04.980 person by some western deeper state not just liberal globalist deep state but deeper state

00:56:13.700 who wanted to use these radical tools uh to rearrange the falling domination of the west

00:56:23.780 with drastic radical measures and after that to say oh you're a scapegoat you're your family 1.00

00:56:31.460 your maga group we will destroy or kill all of you we put you in prison for life sentences but this 1.00

00:56:40.100 the situation will be changed already so maybe it is uh some some special kind of weapon secret 0.99

00:56:47.700 weapon of hyper-globalists not just liberal globalists but technique exactly something

00:56:54.180 that consider to walk walk globalist agenda as some some obstacle as we see in peter phil or

00:57:05.780 carp alex carp technological republic this idea so enough with the humanitarian

00:57:12.820 hypocrisy let's represent the power as such that nude naked western power hegemony domination in

00:57:25.060 open open style and uh trump fits very well to that so he is obviously mad so everybody could 0.97

00:57:32.980 say oh no this madman has has done that but without return to the previous pre pre madness

00:57:39.940 conditions everything will be done by this special uh persons and he will be brutally sacrifice

00:57:48.580 uh sacrificed with all his people maybe with including with israel i i i i see that uh some

00:57:57.780 israelis they try to find the plan b for them for an urgent time from in the in different places they

00:58:06.020 uh uh now they are buying the territories in order to to to secure some safe safe territory

00:58:16.820 if they will be obliged to flee from the uh palestine so i i think that is

00:58:24.180 is possible possible solution of all that but uh with this radical and mad aggression of trump

00:58:34.740 maybe the the uh deeper state deeper not deep deeper state wants to secure it's to prolong

00:58:43.940 its hegemony exactly to securing access to oil that burning middle east on destroying the um

00:58:55.780 contacts and ties with between russia and europe between russia and china to to create a kind of

00:59:03.620 global war and after that puts trump uh out with uh uh everybody around him and that could be

00:59:13.940 uh the kind of rationale that could be plan plan b or fourth fourth uh dimensional um

00:59:22.100 checkmate. So something like that. But I think that it is possible and maybe it is so, but

00:59:35.660 maybe Trump understands what role he plays. Maybe not, but that doesn't matter. So maybe he's just

00:59:43.880 brutally used in order to to make a kind of radical effort to secure a western hegemony

00:59:53.320 more so avoid this direct fall confronting with multi-polarity uh multi-polar worlds emerging

01:00:02.040 with more and more power uh power and i think that today it is very important how we react how

01:00:09.560 the world react how american people react because some power where in the shadow just uses you just

01:00:19.400 you uses american people american hopes american beliefs american desires in order to sacrifice

01:00:28.280 all that to some some radical vision of abstain type of elite and when they say they

01:00:37.160 eat children it seems to be not mythology not conspiracy theory some some texts some coding

01:00:46.440 words in epstein files they they are testimony of this terrible terrible state of mind and psychology

01:00:55.480 of the liberal western post liberal array uh post liberal western elite and concern concerning

01:01:03.800 ukraine uh professor young is totally correct uh this war helped to us to recenter our economy

01:01:13.480 to place the major attention to the sovereignty to our our industry and we are that is resurrection

01:01:22.600 of russian technological sovereignty it is not easy because we were part of the global economy

01:01:29.560 and now we are obliged to concentrate on our our uh resources and that gave that that gave and gives

01:01:38.440 is giving now the new new chances to to russia we're becoming stronger and stronger and stronger

01:01:45.880 and i think that we need to uh to to pay more attention to to the humanity because we are not

01:01:52.600 alone we russians we are not alone in this world there is china there is iran there is islamic

01:01:58.440 world there is western people who are hostages uh in this uh very cruel cruel uh game so i think that 0.76

01:02:10.040 we need to explain to the other uh our uh motor behavior so we are not any more uh imperialist

01:02:18.120 we don't want to occupy neither europe nor asia we are satisfied we are our zone of influence in

01:02:26.280 eurasia and we are ready to accept the other poles not only chinese paul indian paul islamic paul but

01:02:34.040 we we are ready to accept the great and fundamental western paul and we could treat it with respect

01:02:43.160 but we deny one thing that supremacy of the west so hegemony so uh the the world is not anymore

01:02:52.280 unipolar and if someone in the west could accept multi-polarity it immediately becomes from the

01:03:01.720 enemy or or fool and becomes the the partner ally or friend and we putin for example and we russians

01:03:13.160 we did see that in trump in the first term and the second more than that we believed trump in trump 0.50

01:03:22.040 we we we heard his uh strategy your slogans and we are almost happy with that so let let america

01:03:33.160 late united states the united states concentrate on the western hemisphere let solve its inner 0.62

01:03:39.880 problem if you uh uh you have enough with a walk liberals uh transgenders uh illegal immigration 0.52

01:03:48.920 you are right we could support that that is that is correct but when uh trump started to say that 0.51

01:03:57.560 there is no abstain list that is a hoax when he started to betray his own the most most loyal

01:04:07.560 most loyal friends and supporters and when he started the new wars uh with iran with venezuela

01:04:16.840 with cuban when he started to support the genocide of gaza by netanyahu i think we have revised our

01:04:26.440 attitude to trump and he didn't stop finally the support for ukrainian regime he promised that but

01:04:33.480 he didn't do that right so i want to ask the both of you i'll start with professor jenks you're

01:04:40.120 mentioning the deep state so essentially your belief is that trump is and this is hardly a

01:04:45.240 a conspiracy that he is being controlled by different forces and he's being used as a tool

01:04:50.300 to push an agenda that's against America's interests. So right now we are back in the war.

01:04:55.100 The ceasefire talks failed in Islamabad, Pakistan. J.D. Vance, the vice president, was there. But

01:04:59.380 behind him was Jared Kushner and Steve Wyckoff. These are real estate moguls. So you keep saying

01:05:05.320 the deep state is controlling Trump. Is it just simply the Chabad-Lubovich sect? Because Kushner 0.99

01:05:11.080 has no position in the White House. He's not part of this administration, yet he is one of the lead

01:05:16.280 negotiators in the Middle East with the Gaza peace talks. And here he is in Pakistan, right next to

01:05:22.620 J.D. Vance. And the theory is that we were pulled back into this war and the ceasefire talks failed

01:05:28.760 because Israel wants to continue bombing Lebanon. Professor Zhang, is the deep state simply just

01:05:33.640 shabat lubovich right so i think rather than say um there's one group of people pulling the strings

01:05:43.160 i think it's just better to say that there's convergence of interest meaning that you have

01:05:48.280 different political factions who need trump to start a war against iran and shabat lubovich 1.00

01:05:55.880 are the useful idiots or the scapegoats 1.00

01:05:59.120 that can be put out front 1.00

01:06:00.380 in order to attract people's attention

01:06:04.360 while the more powerful people

01:06:06.140 are working behind the scenes,

01:06:07.980 manipulating things behind the scenes.

01:06:13.160 So you think about George Kushner.

01:06:15.620 If he were really powerful,

01:06:17.760 he would not be in front of a television camera

01:06:20.380 taking all the blame for the failed negotiations,

01:06:23.120 failed negotiations, not just in Ukraine,

01:06:24.560 but also in Iran and in Gaza as well. It seems to me that Trump, Kushner, Wyckoff, Shabat Lubavitch,

01:06:34.960 all these people are being set up as scapegoats, as Professor Dugan pointed out. And who these

01:06:40.480 people behind the scenes truly are, it's really hard to say it's the Epstein class, but I really

01:06:46.400 think it's a convergence of interests, right? So you have the military industrial complex,

01:06:50.240 you have the national security apparatus, you have secret societies like the Freemasons,

01:06:54.080 the rosicrucians knights templars um you have wall street instead of london basically it's a lot of

01:07:01.120 people's interest to have this war in uh iran it's a really question of like who's gonna do the work

01:07:07.040 right who's who's gonna be the vanguard and who's gonna be the scapegoat and so the people we're

01:07:11.760 seeing right now are just the vanguard the scapegoats so professor dugan what is the

01:07:16.880 relationship that russia has with chabad lubovich so we consider that as a religious group we have

01:07:27.520 two currents in russia a traditional jews and this hasidic hasidic um current so uh our government

01:07:39.760 could not say you are right and you are wrong because it is we could not judge the

01:07:47.680 contradictions in the jewish community and because uh hasidic movement is is very active

01:07:57.600 lubavichars precisely they represent one part part of religious judaism accepted as traditional

01:08:08.160 branch of religion of minority and traditional jews uh they represent the other part so they have

01:08:19.200 uh contradictions concerning possibility to teach the kabbalah kabbalah to not old talmudic

01:08:29.200 persons so they disagree about that because lubavitchers they they pretend that everybody

01:08:36.000 issue could, every Jew, not everybody, every Jew could know Kabbalah, including the women

01:08:42.960 and young people, and that was strongly, strongly prohibited in traditional Judaism. So Russian 0.88

01:08:51.520 government accept both Jewish sect as a part or occurrence of tradition and nothing more.

01:09:01.060 So the absolute majority of Russians

01:09:05.100 are Christian Orthodox.

01:09:06.280 And between Holy Patriarch Suryu and Mr. Putin,

01:09:11.540 there are relations as symphony.

01:09:14.600 A symphony that is Byzantine concept developed

01:09:18.760 of Emperor Justinian,

01:09:21.240 that there are distribution of power

01:09:24.580 between imperial head, Emperor, Tsar, Caesar,

01:09:29.580 Caesar and a great grand patriarch. That is not just religion. That is more than religion. That is kind of political theology. And that is accepted somehow in Russia.

01:09:45.580 So other minorities as Islam or Judaism or Buddhism,

01:09:51.640 including different small confessions,

01:09:56.140 they are accepted traditional, only traditional.

01:09:59.220 Traditional confessions, traditional religions

01:10:04.060 are accepted, but they don't play any political role.

01:10:09.060 role. So, their power is limited to their respective communities. And Lubavitchers,

01:10:18.040 they exist in that. They suffer no pressure, neither political nor social. So, they are totally

01:10:27.980 free as all other representatives of traditional confessions and traditional religions in Russia.

01:10:35.560 So when they say that Putin is manipulated by them, that is totally fake news.

01:10:43.720 So Putin is motivated by interests of Russia. 0.76

01:10:48.220 He is Christian Orthodox.

01:10:50.560 That's very important.

01:10:51.640 He is not just the head of the state with the majority of Orthodox Christians,

01:10:58.340 but he himself is practising Christian Orthodox.

01:11:03.400 So he is a member of the Christian Orthodox faith and church.

01:11:09.540 And he has very balanced and very positive, very respectful relations to all kinds of other traditional religions.

01:11:19.400 Right. So I was watching your 60 Minutes interview, and they were calling you, and many articles say this,

01:11:26.240 that you are one of Putin's spokespersons, and you're basically like the intelligence in his ear.

01:11:32.520 One thing I respect greatly about Putin is you can see him hold the Koran and he kissed the Koran.

01:11:38.200 And on the Eid prayer, there are massive amounts of Muslims in Russia who are going out to pray. 0.86

01:11:43.240 And the relationship that Islam has in Russia is completely different from the relationship that the United States has with Islam.

01:11:51.340 In fact, we often blame Islam for all the problems. 0.73

01:11:54.760 We accuse Muslims of terrorism and pretty much every accusation that Muslims are the victim of. 0.84

01:11:59.860 it seems like Israel is responsible for the exact same actions. But I'm also hearing that 0.90

01:12:07.280 there's pictures of Putin and some Chabad Lubavitch rabbis, if I'm not mistaken.

01:12:13.440 It's a multi-part question. So you're saying that he is not manipulated and that he has a

01:12:20.400 strong relationship with Orthodox Christianity. What is the overall Russian perception of Putin's

01:12:26.400 relationship with zionism and why do you think that islam is more it seems like from the outside

01:12:33.720 in that islam is more widely accepted in russia than it is in america even though russia is far

01:12:38.940 more christian so first of all we need to make a kind of difference because the muslim population

01:12:46.760 we have in russia they were muslim from uh from old age so they were the members of our society

01:12:56.200 of our country and they didn't come from outside they are our own russian muslims so they were

01:13:06.040 they were they lived here in russia for ages and they were the part of our our our society

01:13:15.400 our state uh for a long time so they are russian first and muslims second so they consider uh this 0.91

01:13:24.760 loyalty to to the russia as their the path of their their identity so they were not brought

01:13:33.000 or converted so they are normal russian muslims living here that is their motherland their

01:13:40.520 fatherland russia and they are loyal patriots an absolute majority they are they represent second

01:13:47.640 second religion in russia and we respect them very much and that is uh they fight for russian

01:13:55.320 interests in in ukraine for example my chechenians chechenian friends uh uh they they fight better

01:14:04.200 than anybody else so they defend the holy mother russia being muslims be being totally involved in

01:14:12.680 their religion not abdicating nothing making their prayers and including following their religious

01:14:24.600 law but they consider themselves to be that loyal loyal patriots and citizens of russia

01:14:32.600 spiritual citizens not only only political so that is the big difference so uh we have so we

01:14:39.960 we have no reason to hate islam nor neither inside of russia nor outside the most islamic countries

01:14:48.920 outside of russia are our uh political allies or or neutral so we have no islamic country that

01:14:59.080 professes on the official level the hatred to christian orthodox church to russia no one there

01:15:06.840 are some salafi radical the tendencies but we consider them to be tool of mossad and of cia

01:15:15.960 and normal islam traditional islam outside of russia is considered to be very friendly and

01:15:24.760 ally societies uh concern so that is not about to to choose between jews or uh muslims we have no

01:15:35.880 problem such problem but if israel not jews uh israel under uh under netanyahu perhaps uh itself 0.82

01:15:45.480 like the murderous entity of killing the people striking the innocent innocent children to killing 0.55

01:15:53.960 the chief of sovereign state of iran we could not support that we are against it by by human

01:16:03.160 uh considerations by our our feeling or or what justice is not it is not about to choose between

01:16:13.000 islam or or judaism we consider judaism absolutely legitimate normal religious tradition but when we

01:16:22.680 see behavior of radical far-right zionists we are against that and when we see what what role they

01:16:31.880 play in uh trying to secure the global domination of the west we we could not we could not respect

01:16:40.600 them so we we understand that they exist we are dealing realistically with them we don't blame

01:16:47.640 them as such but we very severely reject their mode of uh of behavior so we are against genocide 0.99

01:16:57.400 of people in gaza we are in favor of the suffering palestinians we are in favor of the lebanese

01:17:05.960 fighting for their freedom and justice and their uh fatherlands we are totally support 1.00

01:17:11.960 were supporting iran in this just war uh but we we're not support we don't support iran against

01:17:20.280 for example uh united uh emirates or against the qatar or against saudi arabia we we want to stop

01:17:33.400 this war we don't choose between shia and sunni we consider muslim world as our potential

01:17:41.640 great and great partner and friend uh but when our friends are attacked severely and unjust

01:17:52.040 uh without any justice so we normally we come to to help that is normal behavior

01:17:58.280 realist behavior there is nothing religious religious in that but at the same time interesting

01:18:04.920 that our realist geopolitical behavior coincides somehow with the uh end time agenda that that is

01:18:15.640 the kind of paradox so we could uh evaluate we could describe what is going on in middle east

01:18:22.200 in the same time uh by two different level layers of reality the normal geopolitics realistic uh

01:18:31.720 realistic calculation and some international norms that russia defends in spite of all

01:18:38.840 and at the same time we could uh we could merge that we could project that on the geography of of

01:18:47.240 the end of the time the geography of the prophecy and they now they coincide almost perfectly that

01:18:55.560 That is a very unique moment when the everyday reality starts to intermingle with the metaphysical, eschatological events.

01:19:09.280 And that is very, very special.

01:19:11.180 Right. I want to get to Ukraine war with Russia here. 0.98

01:19:15.860 But first, I want to see, Professor Zhang, if you have any major points of contention with Professor Dugan and maybe Russia in general.

01:19:25.560 if alexander dugan actually is the brains behind modern russia what is your major grievance with

01:19:33.800 the modern russian empire or anything that alexander dugan has said so far or from what

01:19:39.960 you've seen beforehand right so i have quite a few questions um my first question is i don't really

01:19:48.360 fully understand the concept of the catacomb right because the catacomb is the force that keeps the

01:19:53.320 antichrist at bay but if the antichrist system is arising and it is going to consume the world

01:20:04.360 anyway my question is why stop it rather than just let it consume the world um and then from that

01:20:13.000 seek salvation redemption like i really don't understand the concept of a catacomb

01:20:17.320 So, thank you. That is very deep question. So, first of all, catechon, it is traditional Christian Orthodox concept, and it is linked not only to the church, but to the state as well.

01:20:31.560 So, the catechon was considered to be the Roman Empire, and in our case, we consider ourselves to be the heirs of the Byzantine Empire after its fall.

01:20:45.660 and so third role so our role on the global map of the end of the time it is catechonic it is

01:20:56.680 catechon to be to play the role of the sacred christian orthodox empire or state sacred state

01:21:05.860 empire in the in the sense of the sacred state sacred political entity in order to prevent

01:21:13.560 and the coming of Antichrist.

01:21:15.720 And you put right, and there are many texts of Agamben,

01:21:21.980 of other author following Carl Schmitt,

01:21:26.360 who has introduced the concept of catechon

01:21:29.020 and political science, and Talbes as well,

01:21:34.540 Jewish author about Western eschatology, very interesting.

01:21:38.760 They have formulated the same argument.

01:21:42.500 If the Antichrist should come, and he should,

01:21:46.420 so why not to get him rule its short time

01:21:50.900 in order to precipitate,

01:21:53.240 to accelerate the second coming of Christ?

01:21:57.660 Why not?

01:21:58.800 So that is the kind of negative catechon.

01:22:01.400 So catechon delays, the Antichrist fights again,

01:22:07.740 not letting it come and destroy everything

01:22:11.240 and to accelerate the second coming.

01:22:17.580 So on the philosophical level, we could accept that.

01:22:22.180 But morally, we have our special catechonic ethics,

01:22:30.920 the tradition.

01:22:31.800 So you should always stay with truth

01:22:35.380 and never let the evil and the lie to enter in the world,

01:22:40.380 until the last moment.

01:22:42.840 So you should not accelerate or let the time to be accelerated.

01:22:49.800 If it is necessary, you should delay them. 0.94

01:22:53.180 If necessary, you should be killed on the Capricornic path, 0.69

01:23:00.760 so, but not let the evil come in. 0.97

01:23:04.880 So that is very, very special moral attitude.

01:23:08.900 So never side with the evil, never.

01:23:12.780 Including when the evil is necessary.

01:23:15.360 Maybe, maybe for God's plans.

01:23:19.160 But we have our mission here in the world, in the history,

01:23:24.260 stay against Antichrist until the last breath.

01:23:30.580 So that is kind of catechonic ethics.

01:23:33.260 And that is perceived very deeply by our society,

01:23:37.900 by our government.

01:23:39.400 So in spite of all other considerations,

01:23:43.700 we should accomplish our mission.

01:23:47.140 Maybe it will bring us to our end, our death.

01:23:54.180 But death, catechonic death, it is the duty,

01:23:59.420 the spiritual, historical, sacred duty of Russian people.

01:24:04.020 And now we consider more and more

01:24:06.860 the modern Abstanian West to be Antichrist. 0.72

01:24:11.320 So our mission is acquiring now the new dimension. 0.60

01:24:18.200 For example, we stood against Catholicism,

01:24:23.080 we stood against Protestantism,

01:24:25.760 but we still were inside of Christianity.

01:24:30.560 So one branch of Christianity, our branch, your branch,

01:24:34.880 But now it is not about one branch of Christianity

01:24:40.020 against the other.

01:24:40.960 That is obscene, globalist, totally post-human, 0.89

01:24:46.660 post-capitalist, perverted Western civilization. 0.96

01:24:50.180 It is pure Antichrist.

01:24:52.000 It is not just suggestion, just presumption

01:24:56.120 that maybe the West is wrong,

01:24:58.120 maybe Western Christianity is not so sacred

01:25:01.660 as our Christian Orthodox Church.

01:25:04.360 It was in the history, just presumption, just consideration.

01:25:10.820 And now, before our rise, the whale is taken off

01:25:18.200 and we see these three millions, it's enough.

01:25:21.920 Maybe there are more three millions of Epstein files,

01:25:26.320 but we see now the real reality,

01:25:30.700 real face of Western ruling elite,

01:25:33.720 not only only left liberals as well right so both it is unipathy that is it is not just left left

01:25:43.240 globalism as we presumed now we see as well the path of the right the zionists the some other

01:25:50.600 people uh in the the same in in the same network abstaining network so i have spoken recently with

01:25:59.320 iron with uh with one bishop christian orthodox and he has said uh um considering or reading

01:26:09.400 epstein's files we uh remember we are reminded about or what our elders spiritual stars spiritual

01:26:21.480 authorities wrote during all last decades about the real nature of the west and this young bishop

01:26:31.080 he has said we we didn't we didn't believe too much we we thought that it is some exaggeration

01:26:38.920 mystical vision maybe the west is not like that and now watching uh seeing epstein's five we we

01:26:48.520 see that our elders, authorities, affirming, affirming that the West is, modern West is

01:26:57.080 Antichrist, were absolutely right. That is big religious confirmation. So Epstein files are much 0.70

01:27:05.400 more than just sexual scandal or sex trafficking. Something much more important that is a very,

01:27:13.240 very persuasive eschatological sign that is read by civilizations by humanity if you are like that

01:27:23.880 if you tolerate that and zero arrests after all so that is something wrong with you i was going to

01:27:30.600 ask you that question if you were going to say that the west is basically the antichrist because

01:27:37.160 the catacomb is the force resisting against the coming of the antichrist so do you believe a two

01:27:43.800 part question is the catacomb is that the russian empire and does that just mean well going back

01:27:51.080 earlier i was asking you what are the solutions for the american empire right now if we're becoming

01:27:56.100 more delusioned with this war or disillusioned with this war if people are wondering about the

01:28:01.420 Epstein files. Is, in your view, Professor Dugan, is the American empire strictly antichrist evil?

01:28:12.420 So it always depends. So our Christian doctrine affirms that there is no predestination.

01:28:22.000 There is the freedom. We profoundly believe in freedom of the human soul. So there is some

01:28:29.620 predisposition of history there are some coincidences in between politics and the spiritual level of

01:28:37.540 the reality but the human soul human being is always free totally and absolutely free so if

01:28:46.180 you follow if you choose to be antichrist you are if you continue to go this this way it is up to

01:28:55.060 to decide who are you we could not say we for for for sure we observe the science of the beast

01:29:04.820 in the western modern modern politics in modern society but we strongly believe in the possibility

01:29:12.580 to change everything to change the nature of american society of western society of modernity

01:29:20.580 because it never never you will be antichrist before you say yes to antichrist before you sign

01:29:29.700 with uh antichrist the treaty the covenant abstain covenant so if you resist if you want to just

01:29:39.220 if you want justice if you want to follow different uh different road different path

01:29:45.860 you always can change everything so it is about you to accept the role of antichrist or reject

01:29:52.900 and when trump started his second term campaign uh for or for voting campaign we have uh we have

01:30:04.900 seen we have remarked some uh signs of reversal of this situation and we believe that that we

01:30:13.140 We believed in American voters, in American people,

01:30:16.440 in American Trumpists, because they have shown

01:30:22.020 the will to overcome this insane globalist walk,

01:30:28.560 perverted culture, cancel culture, globalism,

01:30:34.200 and concentrate, they promise to concentrate

01:30:37.440 on domestic affairs and to restore traditional values.

01:30:42.440 And we have decided maybe God has given the American people one chance more because you are never Antichrist will come if you not welcome him, if you not call for him, if you don't invite him previously.

01:31:02.960 So in order to be possessed by a demon, you should say, yes, come in, you are welcome, enter in myself.

01:31:10.560 But if enough people in America, and I believe there are many millions, maybe tenth of millions of normal American people who don't welcome and invite Antichrist themselves, and we are in total solidarity with American people.

01:31:31.540 So you can be just anti-Christian West, or you can be humanity, you could be your own society, could be the real humans who choose to stay human, to defend the spiritual identity and your roots, your deep tradition.

01:31:53.680 And in that case, you could avoid that. So we will change as well our our predictions or postpone them or delay them or everything depends on the human soul, immortal human soul and human heart.

01:32:11.180 One more short follow up question before I go to Professor Zhang. What was the meeting with Putin and Epstein about? Because to push back a little, you are placing all the blame on the Epstein files on America, which is, you know, it's all over the Epstein files. He did live in Manhattan and he had a resort in Palm Beach, Florida, one in New Mexico, and he has ties with the American government.

01:32:35.960 but he also seemed to have some sort of russian connection obviously that's overstated in the

01:32:41.240 media people like piers morgan did try to insinuate that he was a russian spy which is blatantly

01:32:46.940 ignoring all the connections he has with trump with wall street with the rothschilds and with

01:32:52.520 so many people in american financial and political elite what was the relationship with putin and

01:32:58.040 So, to say the truth, I presume that some quantity of Russian oligarchs and maybe the path, not

01:33:11.160 too big path, but path of Russian elites had some connections with the abstain network.

01:33:18.880 We need to study that because when we tried to unite with the West and when our government in 90s before declared that we, Russia, we are just the part of the West, this kind of convergency between Western society and Russian economical, political elites started as well.

01:33:44.140 So the communication between special services, the oligarchs, they shared their common yachts, their common castles, and there are some cases already investigated in Russia.

01:34:01.740 the connections of some people of Russia inside of abstain class,

01:34:08.740 because it is universal.

01:34:10.740 But because the West wanted to be something universal,

01:34:16.740 we see among abstain people the people from Arab world, 0.88

01:34:22.740 the rich monarchs or the people of royal family,

01:34:30.740 So we see as well there some Russian oligarchs. And that is plague. That is a kind of toxic ambience or illness, sickness that was distributed through different societies in Europe, in America, in the Middle East. 0.87

01:34:58.680 and it affected Russia and Poland and other countries. 0.90

01:35:03.600 But the measure of Russian involvement in Epstein class

01:35:10.500 is relatively small, not to speak about manipulation. 0.59

01:35:15.400 We see clearly that is Rothschild's family behind Mossad,

01:35:21.680 behind the very deep connections with CIA

01:35:27.040 and other secret services of the West.

01:35:30.860 But it is absolutely impossible to KGB 0.62

01:35:36.320 to manipulate Epstein class 0.61

01:35:39.560 because the West is dealing with the phantom pain about KGB. 0.56

01:35:46.680 The modern KGB is called FSB.

01:35:50.700 It's totally different.

01:35:51.900 So, it could not dare to start something like that. It is totally defensive. It is on defensive mode. Maybe it is not so good. I would prefer to FSB to act more proactively, not just reaction, but we have what we have.

01:36:13.240 We have this defensive attitude toward the West, and that is all. 0.82

01:36:19.420 So the idea that Russian modern FSB be capable to manipulate the whole West, 0.88

01:36:29.460 it is the myth of the Cold War. 0.82

01:36:32.460 So that belongs to a totally different epoch.

01:36:35.500 It is absolutely non-realistic concerning modern-day Russia.

01:36:39.740 Russia is just in the first stage of revival.

01:36:45.380 We just become serious, normal. 0.85

01:36:51.320 We were totally out of ramp, totally confused during the last 30 years.

01:37:01.060 So we're just coming into focus with the reality. 0.99

01:37:05.780 We were paralyzed and seduced by the West, and now we are coming to our deep identity and roots, and we were totally incapable to manage such huge and evil thing as Epstein class. 0.99

01:37:24.720 Okay. Professor Zheng, are there any disagreements you have? And what is your perception of what Professor Dugans just said about the relationship that the West has with the Antichrist? 0.98

01:37:37.720 I mean, I agree overall that Western civilization is based on certain ideas that are anti-human.

01:37:57.580 For example, the idea of individuality, the idea of rationality, which is a basis of science, and the idea of consumerism, you know, utilitarianism.

01:38:16.020 I think that these ideas have diverged from the classical humanistic tradition, and which is the cause of so much misery and discontent in the world.

01:38:34.260 so people just assume that the enlightenment the sonic revolution mark this incredible

01:38:40.020 revolution in human affairs and it's what's led to globalization uh the internet um tremendous

01:38:47.220 wealth creation um you know space travel but at the same time we have to look at human psychology

01:38:55.140 and how miserable people are and how hopeless uh and helpless people feel uh nowadays and

01:39:04.260 this this is an idea that i've been struggling with um a long long time but i think that where

01:39:10.740 professor dugan and i will have some differences is that um for a lot of people this system

01:39:20.820 is extremely attractive and they will fight to the death to maintain this system. 0.56

01:39:29.380 So I feel that in Russia there's just more urgency to fight the Antichrist but

01:39:40.260 maybe in more materialistic societies such as China it's really a question of like how do you

01:39:46.500 maintain this system because it's brought so much happiness and prosperity to so many people right

01:39:52.820 so chinese like to say that um after china opened up to the world um billions of people were lifted

01:40:00.100 out of poverty so you've never seen before so much wealth creation so i wonder um how attractive

01:40:08.260 this idea of the antichrist and trying to stop the antichrist how how attractive it is to people

01:40:17.680 i wonder if given a choice how many people will choose to resist um and um yeah how many people

01:40:29.520 choose to resist so i think you do point out the despair underlying despair not to make it doom and

01:40:36.460 gloom, but many people are feeling exactly what you just described. I just did a podcast with

01:40:43.360 Bradley Martin yesterday, and he was saying how exhausted he feels now. And he reminded me of the

01:40:48.760 last stream we did, Professor Jang, where we both agreed that the new strategy seems to not be

01:40:54.580 blatant censorship, but flooding an algorithm with tons of information all at once. So the truth is

01:41:00.960 out there more than it ever has been. It's been readily available, but it's mixed up with so much

01:41:07.280 anger and negative discourse that people feel drained just looking at it. And so the new tactic

01:41:14.660 is not to blatantly censor, but to flood with so much information that you don't have the energy

01:41:20.440 to care. I think the Lebanon phenomenon is a perfect example where we just finished seeing 0.86

01:41:25.580 the genocide in Gaza happen. So now that you see a million people displaced in Lebanon,

01:41:29.740 you see villages wiped out so many people in america just don't have the energy to even care

01:41:35.880 they used to care about epsin and then he became a meme maybe that was intelligence agency pushing

01:41:41.200 this to try to normalize it but people have too many things at once to care about not only that

01:41:48.660 in their personal lives they have to care about their job they have to care about their debt

01:41:52.060 what do you think are the solutions how do we push this in the right direction because

01:41:56.780 it's too defeatist i believe to just blatantly say the west is the antichrist and there's no

01:42:04.820 actual way out there's got to be some light at the end of the tunnel correct

01:42:09.480 i i think having these sort of debates and discussions is really key um so i really enjoyed

01:42:19.580 hearing professor dugan's perspective so thank you so much nico for saying this up you know um

01:42:24.920 you know and I'm really sympathetic towards his his viewpoints and I feel you know rather than

01:42:31.500 just name callings and saying you know I'm a CCC spy and Professor Dugan is a KGB spy even though

01:42:38.320 the KGB doesn't exist anymore I think it's really important to have these transnational you know

01:42:46.000 international conversations where different perspectives are brought together and and where

01:42:50.640 there's rigorous debate and unfortunately you know people are so used to name calling

01:42:56.900 people are so used to ad hominem attacks and we have to return to a tradition where

01:43:02.640 ideas are given the proper space to flourish and you do that by engaging in debate and discussion

01:43:12.720 with people who you don't agree with but who are open to debate and discussion

01:43:18.440 absolutely i think this was uh it's pretty interesting this panel has a lot of different

01:43:23.160 perspectives and although we perhaps could have went a little more into eschatology we did cover

01:43:29.400 a lot of the points in the powerpoint i think we there was a good summary of a lot of different

01:43:34.840 world events and what's happening around you know if you're representing russia uh if you're

01:43:41.320 representing china and over here if i'm representing america or islam whatever people want to say i

01:43:46.120 I think this was a very interesting dialogue,

01:43:48.560 and I appreciate the both of you for coming on,

01:43:51.700 and I look forward to having more.

01:43:56.440 Yeah, I mean, yeah.

01:43:58.240 Sorry, sorry, go ahead.

01:44:02.500 Professor, please.

01:44:04.140 Please?

01:44:06.280 No, no, you're good.

01:44:07.700 Sorry, I would like to only to point out,

01:44:11.620 maybe to respond to what Mr. Jank has said.

01:44:15.980 So obviously, there is a huge amount of people in China

01:44:20.280 or in Russia who would prefer material prosperity 0.99

01:44:26.960 to the white for a catechum. 0.96

01:44:29.380 And that was always the case. 0.99

01:44:31.440 And when Christ came, the absolute majority

01:44:35.160 was involved in the everyday matters.

01:44:37.880 And the same way with Noah, with the luge, with the flood,

01:44:45.980 lot so that is normal but that was not material in interest that governed the history history

01:44:56.060 obtains its meaning when it comes to the ideas and the ideas could be ignored by the people

01:45:05.580 and the people prefer normal everyday life to these ideas so but they are living in the illusion

01:45:15.980 And Hegel called that the trick of the universal reason,

01:45:25.040 universal intellect.

01:45:26.520 He is promoting the spiritual agenda of ideas

01:45:33.220 who really rule the history.

01:45:36.380 And the humankind, the humanity play here the role,

01:45:42.760 but without knowing.

01:45:44.440 So I think that the idea to defend catechon is understood by small, small minority of modern Russian.

01:45:54.340 Well, speaking about that, Putin know that, that some elite spiritual, scientific elite know that, but that's all.

01:46:04.120 But in spite of that, all our history was moved by this catechonic function, catechonic mission, in spite of the people.

01:46:17.320 And the people are materialist, but the history is not the history, it is the logic of divine providence.

01:46:24.960 And the same, I think 0.61

01:46:27.960 So if we ask Russian people 0.98

01:46:30.980 Maybe they would prefer the West

01:46:34.180 The comfort, the Western values

01:46:36.760 And maybe some negative Western values

01:46:40.200 For example, individualism and so on

01:46:42.660 And if we ask some American people

01:46:46.100 Maybe they will choose spiritual

01:46:48.320 Vice versa

01:46:49.960 So that is about the freedom

01:46:51.980 Freedom for you, but freedom for us

01:46:54.800 We could say yes to cataconic mission unconsciously or consciously, and we could say no, we prefer to abstain civilization. Maybe we will not be eaten finally, and we will be among those who were invited to eat children.

01:47:15.220 so uh it is uh just hope of of the people or of the humanity of the society and this decision is

01:47:25.700 always always free and that i think is the chance for america so uh if you prefer to be on the side

01:47:34.420 of god we will decide with your demonic elite and you will you will yourself

01:47:44.740 will deal with this satanic anti-christian elite because because it is not about the majority of 0.75

01:47:52.500 normal the good and just american people it is just about hijacking your idea hijacking your

01:47:59.860 your soul and pushing it into the abyss it is not your choice it is just that violence against you

01:48:09.380 and the same violence we feel by this materialism but the attraction to the worldly worldly worldly

01:48:18.500 values in spite of the spiritual values i think something like that maybe here i'm not expert

01:48:24.980 maybe something like that we could trace as well in chinese society because accepting so many

01:48:32.020 aspects of western civilization maybe china is somehow undermines its own traditional 0.58

01:48:40.820 values so we see this huge i mean perfect technologically perfect incredible futuristic

01:48:47.700 cities with uh no no children uh on the street so the people are individualistic they are prosperous

01:48:56.740 they are chinese they are they are proud to be uh chinese patriots so they they share totally this

01:49:04.340 uh the common common ideas but they are they are lost some sometimes psychologically lost because

01:49:12.580 the west is toxic somehow so you could accept and transform trans some substitute trans substance 0.55

01:49:22.180 some uh elements of this uh western materialist and capitalist poison but there are some measure 0.53

01:49:29.700 and if you overcome it uh their situation could be be different so i have the great

01:49:36.260 hope in chinese culture and chinese future that is amazing amazing how you could uh

01:49:43.220 cut you how you could uh combine uh the traditional values with material technological

01:49:50.420 prosperity it is amazing that that is something this miracle so i admire that but i i i can see

01:49:58.580 that maybe it will be moment to pay for that so if you take too much poison it will affect you

01:50:08.820 sooner or later but it is up to you to decide or the measure and i think that is totally you are

01:50:16.100 free too chinese are free americans are free russian every muslim are totally free you can say

01:50:23.860 i am for that you can i accept you can say i deny and nobody could uh uh or oblige us to make not

01:50:33.860 free decision that was my favorite point of yours today uh professor dugan saying that it's up to

01:50:39.940 you to allow the demon to enter i think that's a important fact to remember thank you so much

01:50:46.660 to the both of you for coming on i greatly appreciate this conversation and professor

01:50:51.620 jang tomorrow we're supposed to speak with uh professor morandi correct yep yep absolutely so

01:50:58.340 so so what time i don't hear the confirmation from him i need to check i'll make sure to email

01:51:05.900 it to you i know it's very late over there in beijing it's about uh it's about it's like almost

01:51:10.320 11 p.m for you right uh yes that's right yes so yeah he i still need to hear the response from

01:51:16.820 him i'll try to get it around the same time so probably morning for you is better so yeah

01:51:21.200 yeah iran time is a little bit different what time is it in are you in moscow for us again

01:51:26.300 yeah so it must be very late over there six o'clock uh six o'clock uh and in iran i presume

01:51:34.280 in iran there is uh uh seven and a half something like that now so i'll try to get it if professor

01:51:42.600 morandi can't come would you like to speak to dave smith yeah absolutely yeah i mean he's trying

01:51:48.660 i mean like like yeah okay so that will i'll message both of them and i'll email you hope

01:51:55.880 you get some rest thank you so much uh this was a great conversation and i'll speak to you guys

01:52:00.660 soon thank you god bless okay bye bye bye thank you so much

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SHNEAKO - April 13, 2026

SNEAKO X Professor Jiang X Aleksandr Dugin ｜ Full Interview

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