SHNEAKO - SNEAKO X Professor Jiang X Dave Smith ｜ Unity Amidst Chaos - Full Panel Discussion

00:00:00.320 how are you good to hear from you that was a great call yesterday yeah yeah no it was a lot of fun

00:00:07.520 perfect um i'm gonna send the link to dave smith right now sure

00:00:15.040 i don't know if you saw i just got attacked on the street yeah i yeah i i i did um and

00:00:22.880 how are you man no i'm great it's fine uh no issues they're trying to say that like i got

00:00:28.240 knocked out that's not true trying to say my tooth got knocked out it's chipped and it was a

00:00:32.160 it was a filling from an attack from several years ago so wow yeah people are trying to click bait

00:00:38.000 it and stuff that's that's not true i mean this just happened two hours ago so i'm okay um yeah

00:00:43.120 just glad that we're able to do this call i appreciate your time no i mean i was actually

00:00:48.240 thinking of going to the united states sometime in the fall and uh my wife is against it just

00:00:54.640 because she feels that the um temperature united states is like really high right now i mean like

00:00:59.560 the same thing could happen to me when i'm walking the streets right i'm in new york city walking 0.98

00:01:03.220 around and someone's like you know i recognize you you're the ass so we start this war and then 0.94

00:01:07.740 suddenly you know uh i'm being attacked it's so funny i saw you say that on the jack neil podcast 0.99

00:01:13.000 word for you like i don't know if i should go to the states i might get punched in the face

00:01:15.660 yeah yeah you know no my my wife is really worried another issue is like they might not

00:01:21.900 might let me in you know i might be at the border and i'm on a watch list and they you know you can't

00:01:28.060 come in so um yeah understandable i mean i yeah i've been invited on quite a few podcasts um and

00:01:37.180 i would like to go because um i i want to do the podcast circuit but um right now the situation

00:01:45.980 is so tense and it doesn't seem as though the temperature will uh you know go lower i mean it

00:01:54.220 just seems that the situation is just becoming more and more tense as time goes by absolutely

00:02:00.860 and yeah there's a lot of people that are very pro-war or against your political beliefs or

00:02:07.540 my political beliefs i'm of the belief that that attack was a setup he maced me right after i got

00:02:14.140 pepper sprayed and he had it ready to go yeah he pulled that out of his front pocket so yeah i don't

00:02:20.320 think anybody like a random homeless guy or some crazy person would do that especially if you see

00:02:24.860 it i wasn't you know saying anything to him i was just reading my chat so i 100 think that yeah i

00:02:30.860 mean look anybody who's against your rhetoric and say that they want to shut you out this is their

00:02:35.620 method they're not going to try to debate and this is why these panels are good it shows unity and

00:02:40.080 even if we have disagreements i think you have a lot of disagreements with dugan and i think you

00:02:43.620 lot of disagreements potentially with dave smith it's important to have conversations like this

00:02:47.700 and show that we could be civil and speak yeah no i mean i do have a lot of disagreements with

00:02:54.500 dugan but it's very interesting to hear his perspective um and and i think it's really

00:03:00.980 important to try to have honest conversations with as many people as possible especially of different

00:03:07.380 different political beliefs absolutely he just got the zoom call he liked the messages i wonder

00:03:14.420 if he's joining i want to make sure yeah so with dugan it was uh it was pretty late for you you

00:03:20.740 seemed you were a little i looked it up it was like around 10 30 or 11 o'clock when we finished

00:03:25.220 yeah yeah yeah um i was a bit tired but you know like one question i would have had for him

00:03:30.980 is how does he reconcile the fact that for the longest time

00:03:38.600 Rome was considered the Antichrist, right?

00:03:42.280 So early Christians saw Rome as the B system, as the Antichrist. 0.67

00:03:50.780 And so now that Moscow wants to be the third Rome,

00:03:53.320 how would you go about reconciling that difference?

00:03:57.340 Because for a lot of Protestants, and possibly even for Catholics,

00:03:59.800 the idea of an ascendant orthodox system they would find extremely morally repulsive so how

00:04:07.980 would he go about reconciling the differences between the orthodox and the catholic traditions

00:04:12.100 that i think is doable but then the differences between the protestants and the orthodox

00:04:17.060 is something that is actually a lot harder to reconcile oh there he is hey what's up guys

00:04:24.460 can you hear us all everything good you sound loud and clear okay cool just making sure hey

00:04:29.880 hey man i'm glad you're okay yeah everything's fine everything is good thanks for asking earlier

00:04:34.260 uh dave smith did text me but this conversation is extremely important i'm glad you guys made

00:04:38.580 the time to come on here it seems like you guys we don't have to do it uh it's over trump just

00:04:44.300 said we won so this is oh yeah let's get out of here dude yeah i think i think the eighth time

00:04:50.400 you declare victory and it's over that means it's officially over so we're good guys well what do

00:04:55.520 you say this time because he's declared victory time and time again over the last several weeks

00:04:58.900 well it's not uh so he recorded an interview with uh maria bartiramo from uh fox news and uh i think

00:05:07.400 it's supposed to air i believe it's 6 a.m tomorrow but then she gave like the she announced that he

00:05:13.600 has declared the war is over which is just it's the most trumpian thing ever yeah i guess if you

00:05:19.700 just say it then it's real so was this a true social post what i saw from yesterday trump was

00:05:27.340 saying that he was not actually portraying himself as jesus the he was it was uh being a red cross

00:05:34.640 doctor did you see this oh yeah yeah yes no it's an honest mistake of course so i'm not sure how

00:05:42.640 much uh you two know about each other i think this is going to be an interesting conversation

00:05:46.200 well i think the major similarities and what's most important is that you're both anti-iran war

00:05:50.600 correct yeah we're both anti-war yeah okay i mean like like no i've been following dave for a long

00:05:57.840 time i'm a huge fan of his and i i am mostly aligned with his libertarian beliefs oh well

00:06:05.600 that's i i appreciate that and that's good to know i know i saw your uh um i've seen i saw

00:06:10.240 your interview on breaking points and then i've seen a couple other things that were just going

00:06:13.620 viral of your you're predicting the war and stuff like that and uh yeah that prediction certainly

00:06:18.680 came true a lot of them came true trump winning this around war happening the desalination plants

00:06:24.980 but uh yeah dave you texted me earlier because i think you were you know you did well in those

00:06:29.520 piers morgan debates the first one was pretty funny the memo the second debate was an actual

00:06:33.720 debate so i think the purpose of these conversations is maybe having more dialogue rather than the

00:06:39.960 screaming matches you see on Piers Morgan do you have any well maybe let's just see what are the

00:06:45.680 major points of contention that you two have seen from each other's rhetoric oh I don't know that

00:06:52.700 the professor would have to to you know say I'm not sure if there are points of contention but

00:06:57.320 by the way I will just say even on those Piers Morgan debates um I always go in to just like

00:07:01.740 yo let's talk about these issues I know that's what I really care about and I'd like to have

00:07:05.820 a conversation and persuade people and my general rule is always like if people are respectful that's

00:07:10.860 who i am i'm like naturally kind of a polite pleasant person um but then i guess i'm also

00:07:17.300 very ready to be vicious at the drop of a dime if someone else is vicious to me so even on pierce

00:07:22.160 morgan i've had some really good ones the last two just happen to be kind of goofy and you know

00:07:25.880 went off the rails but maybe the professor could say what if anything he thinks maybe

00:07:29.620 i'm getting wrong or i'm missing or something like that

00:07:31.900 there's nothing right so yeah no no i think one point of contention that we could discuss is i

00:07:41.520 think there's a lot of belief that this war is personality driven or it's interest driven meaning

00:07:47.020 you know it's either trump um being an imperialist or being crazy or it's israel um and yahoo

00:07:55.400 controlling things behind the scenes and the argument i would make is that it's much more 0.81

00:07:59.540 structural um that if you study history macro history we have seen this pattern before whereas

00:08:05.060 empire declines it starts these imperialist wars overseas that do not benefit itself in the long

00:08:11.380 term um but um it's driven by hubris it's driven by structural forces as well so i think that's

00:08:18.180 one area of contention that that we can discuss that's interesting i mean i said there certainly

00:08:23.140 is a lot of truth to that and there's even when you study like um like in the fall of the roman

00:08:28.260 empire when they were just like uh diluting their gold coins there's like almost like a one-to-one

00:08:34.260 metaphor for like money printing you know what i mean even if okay we're doing ours on computers

00:08:38.340 and stuff and certainly the dynamics of like um you know uh crushing debt expanded military

00:08:46.100 cultural decay like there's a lot for sure i guess i would just say i don't think those things are

00:08:52.260 necessarily in conflict like i think there are all those structural issues and then there are

00:08:56.820 also the personalities involved and there are also the financial incentives and so i'm certainly

00:09:02.120 not opposed to like i think i think that's kind of that's true basically that we are in this kind

00:09:07.680 of like collapsing empire mode that has happened before in human history also look i mean the

00:09:15.720 israel lobbies essentially their sole purpose for the last 25 years has been to get this war

00:09:21.760 i mean a few others along the way but they've been pushing for this one forever and this of 0.63

00:09:27.220 all the worst it's almost like the most open and shut slam dunk like i mean if you were

00:09:31.520 prosecuting a trial for murder we'd have more than enough to put every lakud member you know

00:09:37.240 in jail for the rest of their lives and so you know that does tend to be my focus and maybe that

00:09:42.420 is a little bit more narrow than looking at the broader kind of um cyclical you know history

00:09:48.540 rhyming patterns right right well dave don't you hate america i saw ben shapiro just responded to

00:09:56.920 the conversation i had with professor jang and alexander dugan yesterday and he said he's

00:10:01.880 exposing sneko there's a title and i haven't got the chance to watch the video yet but the narrative

00:10:07.020 is that i hate america which i saw he said about you you know you publicly said that you'll debate

00:10:11.960 him i'll debate ben shapiro as well do you not hate america by opposing the israeli lobby dave 0.95

00:10:16.880 oh it's all so ridiculous man it's like the whole all of my opposition to all of these

00:10:23.880 foreign conflicts is out of a love for america and particularly out of a love for america the 0.84

00:10:28.640 america that i grew up in um in the 1980s and 90s which is you know is a much different country

00:10:35.320 and i believe a much better country than the one we live in today and not that this is the entire

00:10:40.400 reason for that but a huge part of it of what degraded this country was the global war on

00:10:46.040 terrorism it totally bankrupted us um not just financially but i believe like spiritually i

00:10:51.480 think there's a real spiritual aspect to these things and you know even like let's say from the

00:10:58.640 the perspective of say like a real traditional conservative let's like say you're an american

00:11:04.920 conservative when did you when did you lose the culture this is in the 1960s when we were fighting

00:11:12.940 the war in Vietnam for, for specific reasons. Like you, you start doing these, your government

00:11:18.100 starts doing these type of evil things. It affects like the, even the ability of conservatives to,

00:11:25.440 to have a voice in the room to say like, Hey, no, we want to keep Americanism in this whole

00:11:29.780 tradition. Like when that whole tradition is what like slaughtering babies, it just like,

00:11:33.520 it leads to this moral decay in a country. Obviously it banks, it bankrupts the country

00:11:38.220 financially. And, um, no, it's just ridiculous. Like if I didn't, if I hated America, I would 0.98

00:11:43.880 support all of these wars. If I really hated America and really wanted to destroy it, I would 0.83

00:11:48.200 be the biggest cheerleader of Benjamin Netanyahu. So again, these are, these are like infantile

00:11:54.680 childish arguments and they, it's the same ones that the Warhawks always throw out. Oh, if you

00:12:00.360 don't support this, you hate America. And then it's, we started this. So now we got to finish

00:12:05.640 shit. It's all this, you know, it's, I always thought neoconservatives were fundamentally 0.99

00:12:11.020 unserious people. Well, Professor Zhang, what would you respond to that criticism? If they're

00:12:18.080 going to say that you're a pro Chinese anti American commentator, you hate this country,

00:12:23.720 especially, I think people start to believe that when Dave says something like the American empire

00:12:28.940 is collapsing. But accurately looking at the state of finances, for example, we are $39 trillion

00:12:35.400 in debt. Trump, in his rhetoric, he's alienating everybody. He's attacking the Pope. This seems

00:12:41.720 like it's repeating patterns within history where empires have fallen. So how do we talk about this

00:12:47.680 without being anti-America? Right. So I'm primarily interested in game theory and the

00:12:57.460 capacity of game theory to make predictions about the future. So I'm interested in having a

00:13:03.020 discussion about what drives human events and why do we do what we do. And if we have a serious

00:13:10.320 discussion about this, I think this gives us a better understanding of who we are and it allows

00:13:15.900 us to better control our future and develop a future that is more fit, more healthy for our

00:13:22.220 children. So that's my primary purpose. And I make predictions as a way to validate my understanding

00:13:28.700 of how the world works these theoretical models so that's why i'm interested in having these

00:13:33.860 these discussions primarily as a way for myself to doubt and debate my own models

00:13:38.980 and to explore different possibilities so i don't find myself i don't see myself as having a

00:13:46.200 political leaning uh i'm probably libertarian if i were to classify myself um but i can see the

00:13:53.300 perspective of like different sides i'm completely sympathetic to the viewpoint of people like ben

00:13:58.140 Shapiro and Mark Levine, even though some people will find their views abhorrent.

00:14:05.780 So, for example, one argument that they would make in private that they could not make in

00:14:10.920 public is an empire in its nature is an evil thing, but an empire brings tremendous status,

00:14:20.000 tremendous prosperity to the people within the imperium.

00:14:24.000 And so the question is, are Americans happy with Russia or China being a top dog in the world, meaning that Russia and China can control the United Nations, control terms of trade, control the WTO, and basically set the agenda for humanity.

00:14:46.420 And so for Russia, that can mean a much more orthodox perspective.

00:14:50.660 For China, that can mean a much more communist perspective.

00:14:52.800 And so the question is, would Americans be okay with either China or Russia being the empire and basically America retreating back into its condo fortress?

00:15:06.400 What are your predictions, Dave?

00:15:08.480 Obviously, Professor Zhang's channel is all about using game theory.

00:15:12.380 It's called predictive history. 0.50

00:15:14.160 I think one thing that you're definitely vindicated about was Venezuela.

00:15:17.980 So this happened in January, and we got a lot of pushback, and we did some collabs speaking about how the Venezuela regime change and that whole invasion was just about getting a, well, my point of view was they were just trying to get oil so that they could supplement the loss of oil that would happen if they attacked Iran and they would close the Strait of Hormuz.

00:15:36.880 I think you also agreed that that was part of the plan, and we've been vindicated about that.

00:15:41.660 And people are saying that you hate America even back then.

00:15:43.960 What can we predict going forward because you got a prediction like this correct?

00:15:47.980 well i mean it's look i mean that is not my specialty is is you know working out models

00:15:54.340 to predict the future that is above my pay grade and it is tough it's a it's a tough um you know

00:16:00.480 there's a lot there's just so many variables when it comes to human affairs and it's hard to account

00:16:06.140 for all of them i i would say like with a with a high likelihood right now it it seems to me

00:16:14.820 that donald trump right now is kind of desperate for a gimmick to get out of this um it seems like

00:16:21.980 he he it it seems to be the case somehow even though this is fairly hard to believe that

00:16:28.760 the israelis convinced him like according to new york that new york times piece it was that

00:16:34.020 benjamin netanyahu and the massad convinced him that this was this would this would tank the

00:16:38.440 regime and that they could they could get a regime change with like a an easy first strike

00:16:42.940 decapitation or at least claim they got one as they did in venezuela um and and obviously none

00:16:49.320 of that is true but i would say at this point right if you just kind of like look at the stated

00:16:54.820 uh goals of the war so it would be what like destroying around's nuclear capabilities even

00:17:03.260 though they already claimed that they obliterated them seven months ago it would be now zero percent

00:17:08.160 enriched uranium, so recovering the enriched uranium, destroying their intercontinental

00:17:14.300 ballistic missiles, destroying their support for Hezbollah, destroying their ability to

00:17:19.940 shoot protesters or whatever, the 100,000 that they shot in a day or whatever.

00:17:26.660 And now we have a whole new war aim that we didn't have at the beginning of the war,

00:17:30.680 which is getting the Strait of Hormuz opened. The prospect of any of those things happening

00:17:37.740 seems pretty slim. Perhaps the Strait of Hormuz, you could work out a deal where like if you quit

00:17:45.000 right now, the Iranians would go, all right, we'll take that opportunity. We flexed, let us try to 1.00

00:17:49.740 recover a little bit. Obviously, they have taken a lot of damage and they're dealing with those

00:17:54.560 issues. But that was the only one that seems plausible. And that was the status quo before

00:18:00.360 the war. So there's no way, you know, so essentially what you're looking at here is just

00:18:05.080 an unquestionable loss like however you you want to phrase it i think it's the best case scenario

00:18:11.980 is that somehow donald trump can get out of this and it's just clearly a loss in which case i think

00:18:16.660 he's destroyed his presidency handed the country back over to the democrats and we're all right

00:18:21.580 back at square one of essentially having to oppose the insane progressives and then of course the

00:18:27.240 worst case scenario is that he's not able to get out of this and that there is a i would i'm not

00:18:33.420 going to make a prediction one way or the other i think both of them have there's a strong chance

00:18:38.120 of either of those outcomes especially when you got the israelis in there who are going to continue

00:18:43.140 to do everything they can to keep the americans in as long as they can tolerate what they're 0.73

00:18:49.040 getting back from around he's like that his his only support base now are hardcore zionists he's

00:18:54.280 alienated everybody else he alienated tucker carlson candace owens mega kelly alex jones 0.54

00:18:59.540 now Catholics. He's attacked the Pope, saying that the Pope is weak on crime. So because there's a

00:19:06.200 very strong negative sentiment with the current administration, because he is alienating so many

00:19:13.360 people, there's a lack of leadership. And a lot of people, if they look at what's happening and

00:19:17.400 seeing how ridiculous the parameters of this war are, how can we move forward the correct way

00:19:23.060 without more acts of borderline civil war which we saw in minnesota with the ice attacks how do

00:19:30.720 we keep the temperature in this country correct to elect the right people and get the sentiment

00:19:38.900 here and prevent massive protests like vietnam and get people to distrust this country i want

00:19:44.000 to start with professor jang as a over there from china how do you think we can fix this

00:19:50.080 right so again i look at macro history and um the reality is that america is addicted to the

00:20:01.600 petrodollar it's addicted to money printing it's addicted to the world consuming uh u.s treasuries

00:20:08.580 buying up u.s treasuries which allows americans basically finance their um pretty luxurious

00:20:15.080 lifestyle if you're an average american you basically live better than roman emperor i mean

00:20:21.780 it america is really in a privileged position and the question is are americans willing to make

00:20:28.260 the sacrifices necessary in order to ensure world peace so um yesterday i had a conversation with

00:20:36.880 my wife and we did a thought experiment because um right now the baby boomer generation has the

00:20:44.560 most power, the most wealth of any generation in America. So it's ultimately up to them what they 0.94

00:20:52.400 want to do. And I asked my wife, let's just say we talk to the baby boomers and say, for the sake of 1.00

00:20:58.980 world peace, for the sake of your children, for the sake of your grandchildren, for the sake of 0.99

00:21:03.220 America, we need to charge you 50% taxes. You know, and it's not ridiculous, a 50% tax on baby

00:21:12.220 boomers. But by taxing 50% tax, this will ensure world peace, this will ensure American prosperity, 0.83

00:21:20.460 this will ensure a better future for your children. And my wife played the role of baby

00:21:24.860 boomers. And she told me, there's actually no way that I as a baby boomer would agree to this deal, 0.81

00:21:30.760 because I've got another 10, 20 years ahead of me. And I want to ensure that my life is stable,

00:21:37.400 that it's prosperous and i worked really hard for um to have all this wealth in my bank bank account 1.00

00:21:45.060 and so um that's a structural issue that i don't think can be resolved because the baby boomers 0.98

00:21:51.740 have all the power they have all the wealth they control the the political apparatus there's one

00:21:57.020 demographic that actually supports this war in iran uh there's only one demographic and it's

00:22:01.420 baby boomers and this demographic is also the only demographic that that supported um israel's

00:22:09.060 actions in in gaza so um that's my concern right now yeah no that's a really good point and also

00:22:16.140 i mean because to your point uh before sneaker when you're like who's possibly supporting you

00:22:20.500 know donald trump except the israel lobby at this point but that's the answer it's the baby boomers

00:22:24.120 like who's still watching mark levin's show who's still watching sean hannity it is your fox news

00:22:29.960 watching father-in-law okay well for sneak maybe grandfather and something like that i don't know

00:22:34.840 whatever i'm a little older the point is like that's who it is now also you know i made this

00:22:40.000 comparison the other day but i remember one time i was watching this uh this documentary about

00:22:44.680 abortion and they were interviewing an abortionist like an abortion doctor and this lady is like

00:22:50.880 she's like listen i've been performing abortions for 35 years and let me tell you something there

00:22:55.580 is no moral issue with abortion it's not a it's not a human being it's a tiny little thing and i

00:23:00.460 remember thinking in a way you're like well yeah you better believe that because like the alternative

00:23:05.140 to you believing that is that you believe that you are a baby serial murderer out of a nightmare 0.64

00:23:10.760 so like yeah you you're and in a similar way the boomers are so invested in the idea that they 0.70

00:23:17.320 earned it honestly that they did you know like even when it was just that the house they bought

00:23:21.900 for eighty thousand dollars became worth six hundred thousand dollars and they took out a home

00:23:25.920 equity line of credit and then invested that in the stock market which happened to go up because

00:23:29.660 they were inflating the currency they still and they're so invested in that that the apps the the

00:23:34.400 psychological like incentive structure there for them to accept that this was all a big con and that

00:23:41.440 we were all kind of like that we were in this privileged position and you know the the tragic

00:23:47.060 thing in to me in american history economically is that we really did transition from being

00:23:54.580 the greatest experiment in laissez-faire free market capitalism ever to being the biggest

00:24:01.220 experiment in big government central banking fiat currency insanity and so the like the the

00:24:09.780 americans we were only in the position to be the second because we were the first the whole reason

00:24:15.380 why we even got the reason why america won the first world war and the second world war well

00:24:20.500 aside from getting into it late and having a huge advantage in that sense that all these other powers

00:24:25.700 were exhausted a bit by the time we got it particularly world war one totally exhausted

00:24:29.780 but but then it was because we had built up the biggest productive capacity in the history of the

00:24:33.940 world and we were able to transition that into military productive capacity and so we just

00:24:38.980 dominated you know that you if you read about world war one and world war two in many cases

00:24:43.220 the germans had like superior machinery but we would churn out 2 000 pieces of arm you know 0.94

00:24:51.060 before they could turn out five you know like they had the better subs they had the but it didn't 0.84

00:24:56.020 matter because this was america we mcdonald's our way into winning two world wars yes and then

00:25:02.260 because we were in that position we got to call the shots on the entire global order and so we

00:25:07.380 we became the global superpower hegemon in a bipolar world but even then i mean the losses

00:25:14.040 that communist russia had taken after world war ii they just simply were not in the same position

00:25:18.420 that america was all the only damage on our shores we suffered was pearl harbor and that

00:25:22.900 ain't even really on our shores russia had been destroyed you know and so lost you know 10

00:25:28.880 casualties in the tens of millions you know um and so then the new system became okay well i mean we

00:25:36.380 We had already, right at the beginning of World War I, created the income tax, created the central bank.

00:25:40.820 We had laid the groundwork for this new order.

00:25:44.380 And then essentially it became, right, like as you said, it went from first the Bretton Woods agreement where, okay, essentially we'll be the gold standard of the world, which tied every currency to our currency.

00:25:55.240 Then we're going to bail on that and switch over to the petro status because we've been printing too much money to redeem anything in gold.

00:26:01.220 And so now we have this system where essentially, right, we don't get our wealth the good old-fashioned honest way that we used to, which did make us the wealthiest country in the world even at that time.

00:26:13.100 We still could have just continued to build on our productive capacity and had an honest economy.

00:26:18.580 And instead, the way we get our wealth now is all – like you could look at all the wealthiest counties in America.

00:26:24.300 They're all outside of Washington, D.C. and New York City.

00:26:26.300 It's like either you're in finance and you're just trading, speculating, essentially just extracting wealth out of the real economy, or you're in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. because you have some government contractor, you work for a weapons company or something like that, an NGO, something attached to the government.

00:26:43.440 And if you do zoom out on this, and I'll wrap up here, but just to disclaim, because I don't want to be accused. I've got nothing against talking to any Chinese person or Middle Eastern person or anything. I'm an individualist. But just to be clear, I'm a libertarian. I do not support any form of communism, whether it's the quasi-fascistic form of the CCP or any other system.

00:27:03.700 I believe I'm an American for Americanism and free market capitalism.

00:27:07.840 But look, I mean, it's hard not to say someone could accuse me.

00:27:11.120 I hate my country.

00:27:12.020 Just calling balls and strikes here. 0.97

00:27:14.160 Essentially, the deal between just say like America and China spanning decades now has been you make all of our stuff and we will buy it from you. 0.78

00:27:25.280 That's the working relationship. 0.67

00:27:27.280 You do the production and we'll do the consumption.

00:27:30.140 And, oh, by the way, we're going to need you to lend us some money to do the consumption because we're dead broken and we can't afford it.

00:27:37.520 And it is – the truth is just that it is a totally just unfair deal for the world on behalf of America. 0.75

00:27:47.960 But I would add the caveat to that being that the boomers were the last generation that really benefited from that whole system. 0.59

00:27:55.340 None of the rest of the generations are benefiting from this.

00:27:58.440 And so it's not just that like, oh, we have this unfair system, but it does help America. Actually, it's destroying America. It's helping the banking sector. It's helping the weapons manufacturers. And it helped the baby boomers. And so I agree with you. They're not going to change their minds. But the thing they are going to do is die. And that's coming up in the next few decades. I mean, that's already starting. Baby boomers are starting to go down.

00:28:22.460 And so I'm just saying that is, you know, unless we got some real breakthroughs in medicine coming up here. So anyway, I would say that what at least has happened is that back to your analogy of like, would you take this deal? The baby boomers would not. But the 50 and under crowd is radically aware of all of this stuff in a way that the American people have never been before. And so perhaps I'm hopeful that if we can make it till then, we will be looking at a new political reality. 1.00

00:28:52.460 okay so that was a great um um you know um dialogue so thanks so much dave so i i want to

00:29:01.420 make two points okay to further our discussion so let's talk about the china u.s relationship

00:29:05.740 so you say that um the us uh maybe the baby boomers benefited but the united states overall

00:29:12.060 lost in this relationship with china and i i i want to um explain the chinese perspective

00:29:19.020 because it is true that america did offshore its manufacturing capacity to china that is true

00:29:26.700 and that built the chinese middle class but what people don't discuss is that china offshored its

00:29:32.940 elite selection and indoctrination to america okay and this is very important this is something

00:29:38.700 americans don't really discuss meaning that china sent all its top students all the like the wealthiest

00:29:45.580 brightest students to america to be indoctrinated in the ivy league and universities and then they

00:29:50.240 came back to control china and so what this means is that um over these past few decades china's 0.97

00:29:59.340 civilization capacity its intellectual capacity has been civilly downgraded so even though um 0.82

00:30:06.900 china has become much more prosperous you can make the argument that china has been

00:30:10.560 intellectually colonized by america so the chinese elite right now have this very new liberal um very 0.76

00:30:17.920 pro-american slant which i think is going to hinder china's development of civilization for

00:30:26.560 the next few hundred years okay so so so so so so i so i i will put this caveat out there okay like

00:30:31.920 like it's not just china has benefited everything from this relationship um china has lost a lot as

00:30:36.640 well um so so that's one point i'll make second point second point that i will make is that once

00:30:42.240 we um point out that it's a baby boomers who benefit a great deal from from american empire 0.68

00:30:48.320 we can now make certain predictions about how baby boomers will behave before they die okay 0.99

00:30:53.200 we all agree they will die in 20 years 30 years who knows but they but there will be drastic 1.00

00:30:58.160 political changes before they die off all right yeah so if you just look look at the like look

00:31:03.360 look at the periods of American history, which you discussed, right? So maybe in the 60s and 70s,

00:31:08.600 it was a great society period where America was heavily invested in growing a family. You had

00:31:13.620 Medicare, you had the pension system, Social Security all being developed at this time. So

00:31:17.880 the baby boomers grew up in a very idyllic time when their mothers were at home taking care of 0.99

00:31:23.380 them. The schools were great. You had great public universities, okay? So they had to receive the

00:31:30.160 best education. They had the best opportunities. And we're talking about like white middle-class

00:31:33.820 Americans, right? Obviously, I'm talking about minorities. And then in the 80s, you had the

00:31:37.820 Reagan revolution. The Reagan revolution was an opportunity for people with talent, with ability

00:31:43.580 to make as much money as they wanted, okay? So you have this massive growth in wealth among the

00:31:50.840 baby boomers. And then starting about the year in the 90s, under Clinton, you have the unipolar

00:31:55.540 moment when american power extended overseas and baby boomers could go and vacation anywhere in the 0.62

00:32:01.860 world and feel privileged it felt it felt as though um the entire world became colonized by

00:32:08.640 america and then you had this you had this breaking point in 2016 when donald trump came

00:32:15.180 into power and um and then we saw america become much more authoritarian okay so the example of

00:32:22.840 course, is COVID. And you and I both agree that the lockdowns were inappropriate. It shattered

00:32:29.340 the mental health of young people who need to socialize. It destroyed staring at a screen for

00:32:39.060 eight hours a day. It destroyed the economy, right? If you were poor, you became even more poor.

00:32:44.120 But it benefited the baby boomers because, first of all, they had assets in the stock market and

00:32:50.200 the start market boom at that time. Second of all, they were actually afraid of catching this

00:32:54.020 disease. So that's why they were in favor of lockdown. And then you had the, you had October

00:33:01.720 7th happen, and then you had these university protests happen, rightfully, because these young

00:33:06.940 people were disgusted by what was happening in Gaza. And then you had this massive crackdown

00:33:11.660 in the universities. And so what this is telling us is that the baby boomers are politically active, 0.90

00:33:19.000 And they're able to warp the American political system in a way that matches their worldview, that matches their political priorities. 1.00

00:33:26.120 And so the argument I would make is, yes, they will die off. 0.61

00:33:29.280 But before they die off, they will make sure that America becomes a much more authoritarian nation before they die off so that they can live peacefully in their gated communities. 0.98

00:33:39.940 And they can continue to be parasites on the American republic before they die off. 0.99

00:33:44.640 Right. And that's a prediction I would make. 0.99

00:33:46.060 And that's very worrying that this case.

00:33:49.000 But given the past behavior, I mean, they are extremely selfish people who believe that the world should revolve around them.

00:33:58.720 Yeah, listen, I mean, I can't really disagree with anything you said there.

00:34:02.720 I thought that was all very interesting.

00:34:04.340 About the point with the Chinese students coming to our elite universities and going back, I really just had not really considered the effect that that has on China.

00:34:12.360 And it is very interesting.

00:34:13.260 I mean, look, there's there's, you know, I guess I would just add that for people, especially because I know, you know, a lot of your audience, Nico, is like younger.

00:34:23.480 And that's part of the reason why I like doing your show.

00:34:26.740 But I don't know if you you know, if you weren't there, you haven't extensively read about it.

00:34:31.760 it it's hard to overstate how much american culture really had dominated the world um leading

00:34:40.180 up to the unipolar moment um which of course the collapse of the soviet union and for anybody uh

00:34:46.040 if you if you want to go uh watch uh metallica played a concert in moscow right after uh the

00:34:53.880 the dissolution of the soviet union and dude it's the craziest thing to watch there's like i mean

00:34:58.740 there might be a million people in the crowd just losing their minds loving american heavy metal

00:35:04.240 like it's just that they really did like there was this thing of like we love you for your blue

00:35:09.440 jeans and your rock and roll music and people kind of wanted that they wanted to aspire to this like

00:35:14.100 oh look how wealthy this country seems to be and it was really after the unipolar moment and then 0.99

00:35:19.000 after um oh did we lose a professor there he's back the ccp did not get him they didn't like 0.97

00:35:26.340 they didn't like that last part he's back sorry sorry sorry i i i i cut off sorry no no problem 0.93

00:35:32.460 but so essentially it was like all that goodwill got blown really in in the with george hw bush

00:35:39.540 and bill clinton and then of course with george w bush where it all just really fell apart but

00:35:44.020 you know i i mean to the selfishness of the baby boomers it and again there are exceptions to this

00:35:51.720 my mom's cool and i like uh you know there are some baby boomers who i i like very much but 0.98

00:35:57.980 it is really hard to overstate how selfish of a generation they were now this is the generation

00:36:06.760 that like literally their slogan was don't trust anyone over 30 until they turned 30 and then by

00:36:15.080 by the time you get to covet my friend jeff dice like did a whole thing on this but by the time

00:36:18.600 you get to covid yeah they supported the lockdowns because they were the ones at risk yeah shut down

00:36:22.700 the kids which i just you know i gotta tell you someone who has little kids who hopes to have

00:36:26.720 grandkids someday i cannot fathom being in my 60s or my 70s and ever thinking like to prevent some

00:36:35.820 risk to me i would harm one hair on my grandchildren's head is just like it's it is profoundly

00:36:43.140 And listen, they're the generation that normalized no-fault divorce and self-actualization and this idea that you could just like not take care of your kids or not stay with the woman you had children with for the rest of your life, that you don't have an obligation to like God to do that.

00:37:01.200 I mean, it's just – I don't know.

00:37:03.420 It's really shocking when you think about it.

00:37:05.460 And so, look, I don't disagree with you. 0.97

00:37:08.080 Um, of course, another big factor in there is that baby boomers have been in charge, not just, you know, the, the generation that supports these policies, but the actual politicians themselves for my entire life. Like, yes, it's so bizarre, man. Like, dude, Snego, I was, you know, the 1990s were 30 years ago. Right. And I was, I was a teenager in the 1990s. 0.99

00:37:30.540 and we had these politicians like um nancy pelosi and joe biden and bill clinton and hillary clinton

00:37:38.700 and and like okay the clintons are out of power but she was trying to be president just within

00:37:43.280 the last decade donald trump was a figure joe biden was like all these guys these mitch mcconnells

00:37:48.920 and chuck schumers they were all the same guys they were all in there when i was younger than

00:37:54.880 you. And I've got a lot of gray in my beard now, you know, like I'm a grown man. And the same

00:38:00.340 people who were in charge when I was a teenager are still in charge. It's really, it's fascinating.

00:38:04.880 That being said, I do think maybe what I would just, you're certainly right about the 0.61

00:38:10.340 concentration of wealth that's in the baby boomers. And perhaps my, you know, I guess if 0.66

00:38:15.800 in the game of making predictions, you want to really remove emotion from the table. And maybe

00:38:20.900 this is just kind of wishful thinking on my part but i do think that there is the baby boomers on

00:38:26.960 almost all of these positions are severely in the minority of the american people right now it's not

00:38:32.760 quite the dynamic that it was when they controlled so much more of a share of the population and like

00:38:39.400 even if you look at the issues that we're talking about where there's support for israel support for

00:38:42.760 this war support for donald trump support for it they're like it's them on the wrong side of like

00:38:50.020 a 70 30 issue and so you know i guess we'll we'll see where all of this goes the you know the the

00:39:00.500 there is a very scary dynamic that's emerging which right is that you have a smaller and smaller

00:39:06.340 group of elites who's or an elite you know uh generation who support the regime and then super

00:39:14.580 majorities of people suffering from a lot of discontent and if you look at that model most

00:39:20.440 nations that have that dynamic deal with problems and so certainly it's hard to argue that there's

00:39:27.920 not the potential for major problems with this dynamic going forward oh god so sorry sorry go 1.00

00:39:33.900 ahead no no please no no no so just to show you how much damage the boomers can do before they 0.99

00:39:40.520 die off let's look at canada i'm actually even following situation in canada okay but but i will 0.74

00:39:45.420 list certain um events in canada so during the covert lockdowns if you if you thought that it

00:39:51.880 was bad in america there's a hundred times worse in canada right you have to choke a protest these

00:39:57.200 are guys who were concerned about the vaccine mandate as they should be and all they wanted

00:40:02.400 was a conversation with jordan trudeau so they staged this peaceful protest in ottawa and they

00:40:10.240 were debanked but not only were they debanked but if you support them in any way like you give a

00:40:15.420 dollar to these guys you are debanked as well that was pretty authoritarian then after covid you have

00:40:21.400 this massive influx of immigrants to canada that drove property prices like you know to to the sky

00:40:29.840 that that made it impossible to find a job if you're a young person that made this cost of 1.00

00:40:35.340 living like sky high in the major cities. 1.00

00:40:39.440 And most of them were coming from India.

00:40:41.680 You had millions of Indians coming to Canada,

00:40:46.280 and this was causing a lot of discontent.

00:40:49.620 And so you would think that, you know,

00:40:51.300 after a few years of this,

00:40:52.860 when clearly this was a dumpster fire, 0.81

00:40:55.360 that the Canadians would be like,

00:40:56.620 let's just do a moratorium. 1.00

00:40:57.780 You know, let's just stop immigration 0.65

00:40:59.640 and let Canada, give to Canada some time 1.00

00:41:04.640 to absorb these immigrants, right? 1.00

00:41:06.620 You think that's a reasonable course of action. 1.00

00:41:09.240 Instead, Mark Carney goes to India and says,

00:41:12.080 we want more Indians.

00:41:13.420 In fact, we will give scholarships

00:41:14.760 to Indian students to come to our country.

00:41:17.360 And then this guy, Mark Carney,

00:41:19.400 who before becoming prime minister of Canada,

00:41:23.020 never had an elected office, okay?

00:41:25.700 Before he became prime minister, he never had,

00:41:28.760 he was never voted into office by the people.

00:41:30.920 And quite honestly, for most of his life,

00:41:32.840 He was not even a resident of Canada.

00:41:35.120 He spent most of his time either in New York or London working for Goldman Sachs.

00:41:39.280 And then the leadership race for the liberals was completely staged.

00:41:44.720 And that election, you could argue, was rigged as well.

00:41:47.700 And then when it comes to power, rather than try to win his majority for democracy by letting people vote, he is bribing opposition members to join his party.

00:41:59.580 And now he has he has a majority.

00:42:01.940 OK, so clearly Canada is moving towards a more authoritarian system. 0.96

00:42:09.700 And so this is the damage that baby boomers can do because you ask yourself, who is benefiting from all this, from immigration, from like, you know, sky high property prices, from an increased set of living? 0.98

00:42:24.280 And the answer is baby boomers. OK, so Canada could be America's future. 1.00

00:42:29.200 So I would say pay close attention to what Mark Carney is doing in Canada, because people complain that Donald Trump is a tyrant.

00:42:38.620 Look at what's happening in Canada. And Mark Carney is fully supported by baby boomers. 0.98

00:42:43.800 Yeah, well, so I get your point there. And then what I've been sounding the alarm about, which I think, not that I'm the only one, 1.00

00:42:51.640 But that, you know, I'm at this point, like, I'm concerned about the authoritarianism coming out of the Trump administration. I'm very I'm very concerned about what the next step is going to be here, because I do think there's this one element about where we are in America today.

00:43:09.540 and this is true, I guess, in Canada too, but I just know America better, is that really for the

00:43:15.760 first time, perhaps in modern history, like governments, modern propaganda apparatuses have

00:43:24.260 been broken. And so they don't really have the same, like they don't have the same controlled

00:43:29.880 corporate media that they used to have. And this is what allows conversations like this to happen

00:43:35.400 because they just weren't going to happen under the old controlled model.

00:43:38.800 And so you have this dynamic where people are waking up to the corruption and to the lies of the propaganda.

00:43:46.540 And at this point, Donald Trump is just snapping back at Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and Alex Jones and Candace Owens and all these people.

00:43:53.300 But how long can they continue this? And does that require an authoritarian crackdown?

00:43:58.240 But then the other angle, which I'm, you know, equally concerned about is that, you know, for whatever we rolled back, as I kind of alluded to earlier, for whatever we rolled back in the culture and in terms of political power of the woke leftist insanity that we've seen over the last 15 years, well, Donald Trump just found like the only way to hand political power right back over to that same group.

00:44:23.080 And, you know, it was some of the stuff we maybe didn't do as much as Canada did. We weren't as viciously authoritarian during the COVID stuff. But we flirted with every bit of it. And really not just flirted with it, but like keep in mind, like Joe Biden passed an executive order essentially banning the unvaccinated from working nationwide.

00:44:46.880 that any company with over 100 employees, I believe was the rule, had to fire all of their

00:44:53.320 unvaccinated workers. Now, the Trump Supreme Court, which was still on the bench during Biden's years, 0.88

00:44:59.900 they struck that down as unconstitutional. But the president tried to do that, but a couple old

00:45:06.780 Supreme Court justices die in five years later or earlier or whatever, and that gets through,

00:45:12.240 and that is the law of the land in America. So Central Bank Digital Currency, they flirted with

00:45:16.840 a lot and they really flirted um with the national vaccine passport the idea that like we were going

00:45:23.120 to federally enforce a essentially a caste system in america um which so so like those guys coming

00:45:31.920 in after being so punished by the voters i really worry that they'd be coming back in with a

00:45:37.640 vengeance this time and that this time they would that this time you know if if we see president

00:45:42.400 AOC or President Gavin Newsom, that they're going to understand that they can't just wait around to

00:45:48.360 see if they get voted out or, you know, possibly publicly hung by the American people at some

00:45:53.580 point. They got to be like, well, now's the time that we have to implement what I think for they

00:45:58.380 always pretended that China had, which I've never exactly understood what the evidence for how real

00:46:03.000 the Chinese social credit score system is like. I've heard people I've heard politicians allege

00:46:08.320 that this is the grid that totally controls China. But then I've also just talked to lots

00:46:11.980 of people who are like no i ran a business in china for 10 years and i don't even know what

00:46:15.380 you're talking about and that's not a thing and so i i don't know what's real there i know the

00:46:19.660 way they lied about the whole uyghur genocide numbers and that um um what was the guy adrian

00:46:26.160 bends or whatever like just just didn't carry the one when he was supposed to and made all the

00:46:31.920 numbers completely wrong but so i don't know what about that but i know that our democratic

00:46:36.320 establishment politicians have openly flirted with the ideas of like carbon scores and you know like

00:46:42.920 all this crazy stuff and so i look i i agree with you that the the biggest i agree that the biggest

00:46:49.220 danger is that you find one of the because because the boomer generation in america and i could

00:46:55.160 speak i know there's some people have made had like great quotes like this like but if if uh

00:47:00.180 true authoritarianism ever comes to america it will come in the language of liberalism but like

00:47:05.580 that is always the case right like for for the boomers it'll always have to be in the language 0.90

00:47:10.060 of liberalism because that's the only language they speak that's why they even have to call

00:47:14.020 they everything is draped in libertarianism in america even though we're the biggest government

00:47:18.960 in the world in all this debt and print all this money and bomb all these countries but even when

00:47:23.000 they bomb when the war in iraq what was it called they called it operation iraqi freedom they call

00:47:28.780 your income tax voluntary compliance that's what the irs calls you paying your taxes voluntary

00:47:35.640 comply now if you don't voluntarily comply yes they will throw you in a cage but it's voluntary

00:47:40.220 you see as well so like i'm just saying if you could find a narrative around climate change or

00:47:46.160 around um around like hate speech or the rise of fascism in america that is quite possible you

00:47:53.120 could get the boomers on board with some wildly tyrannical stuff well i completely agree sorry

00:47:59.780 sorry sorry go ahead snickle i want to hear your response no so i completely agree about the 0.78

00:48:05.240 democrats um so i think that from the perspective of the democrats these liberal boomers the disease 0.97

00:48:12.960 the plague in america are conservative white men america must do all that it can to destroy 0.98

00:48:19.360 employ conservative white men because that is the ultimate threat to their way of life right and 0.98

00:48:26.260 that's why we had cancer culture and and that's why um if they get if they come back in office 0.97

00:48:31.380 they will target conservative white men uh with um you know dirty currency with with carbon tax 0.67

00:48:40.100 with more cancer culture with dei with more illegal immigration you can bet like like when 0.97

00:48:46.020 they come when they come to office that's what that's what they they will target you know it's

00:48:50.180 what hillary clinton said the deplorables right who do we hate the most in the world 0.55

00:48:54.260 these conservative white men who are maga yeah no 100 sneaker what you you jump in because you

00:49:02.300 yeah i just want to see what the solution i think you rightly pointed out how the boomer voting

00:49:07.840 class which is still the majority voting block they keep voting for their own interests and

00:49:11.780 they don't seem to care at all about future generations so what do we do in gen z and for

00:49:17.500 gen alpha do we vote left in the midterms well i don't you know i i don't know you know when it

00:49:25.680 comes to voting right like there's again voting is like a strategic thing that's that's what voting

00:49:31.860 is about it's like it's you have this little bit of a tiny little shred of authority over one

00:49:38.720 election and then nothing else that's just the hand you're dealt and so what's your strategy

00:49:43.200 there now there are arguments all around i mean look there is an argument that we'd be better off

00:49:49.200 if kamala harris was president today uh at this point that's not that tough of an argument and

00:49:54.320 part at least for me of the best strongest argument that we'd be better off with kamala harris is just

00:50:00.160 that the whole resistance would still be the resistance and you would you know the in a kind

00:50:06.560 of i don't know uh maybe counterintuitive way sometimes the best thing if you're a right winger

00:50:12.240 is for a democrat to be the president and sometimes the best thing if you're a left

00:50:15.920 winger is for a republican to be the president because if they really blow it and they really

00:50:20.160 mess up it gives all of the like cultural energy back to you and the the best case of that is like

00:50:27.360 just look at from a cultural perspective the right lost everything through the first four years of

00:50:33.440 of Donald Trump. If you remember, this was the rise of the craziest wokeism in America was all

00:50:39.180 in Donald Trump's first term. And they only finally had some cultural victories when it was Joe Biden

00:50:44.780 and he was in there. And then all of a sudden you started having things like the Bud Light boycott

00:50:49.940 and the Target boycott. And I mean, Elon Musk bought Twitter in those years. Like there were

00:50:54.000 a few major factors that happened. But anyway, look, I think there is an argument that the best

00:51:01.240 thing right now is that the democrats win the midterm elections because the republicans just

00:51:05.200 have to be punished for this like it's there there's got to be a message that like you do this

00:51:09.540 there is a cost to it even if that means we have to give ourselves the democrats in congress but

00:51:14.800 giving the giving ourselves the democrats in congress is a different thing than say like

00:51:18.200 giving the democrats the white house and both chambers of congress where now they can go crazy

00:51:22.540 with their agenda so like but i just kind of think the democrats are going to win anyway

00:51:27.480 i don't really i'm not signing up to vote for no democrats you know what i mean like i just

00:51:31.580 i i don't know if i'll ever put my name like if i'll ever vote for a major party candidate again

00:51:35.960 unless like thomas massey or someone like that runs i just don't i'm too disgusted by the fact

00:51:40.180 that i supported donald trump but i just don't want that filthy smell on me again um not that 0.90

00:51:45.480 i really can't voting is stupid but like it's just i don't know i don't want to i don't think 0.96

00:51:49.960 i'll be voting democrat but um i i would say that i think the democrats are going to win the midterm 0.83

00:51:56.580 elections that's gonna happen and so after that my thing is just if you're talking about on national

00:52:02.900 politics level no one from this administration can be supported uh except joe kent if you want

00:52:09.420 to throw some support to joe kent i got no problem with that but anybody else who's attached to this

00:52:13.580 should just be that should be our absolute standard but there has to be like some type

00:52:17.780 of line here no supporting jd vance no supporting marco rubio no supporting tulsi gabbard no

00:52:22.780 supporting any of them for the rest of no supporting bobby kelly uh bobby kennedy uh

00:52:26.820 there's just no sorry even if you're just at the health department resign in disgust i don't care

00:52:32.560 you said you were the guy who was against the neocons and all their wars and stuff

00:52:36.040 and specifically spoke out against what a nightmare war in iran would be get away from

00:52:40.660 the i don't think that's too much for me to ask like your president starts lying you into war

00:52:45.420 and committing war crimes get away and so i don't know maybe thomas massey will run maybe there'll

00:52:50.220 be some some outsider candidate who we can't think of right now who would actually be something

00:52:54.580 someone worth supporting but to me the bigger thing is like i i'm like look the baby boomers 0.97

00:53:02.400 whether it's slowly or or quicker are gonna die they're gonna age out i'm still gonna be alive 0.96

00:53:09.160 hopefully you you guys are still gonna be alive hopefully i got children who are very invested

00:53:13.740 in still being alive after that and so my thing is just like what we can do in the meantime is

00:53:18.620 wake up as many people as we can and really demonstrate that like we have the correct

00:53:23.300 argument here and then the other thing i would say just very briefly because i'm sorry i'm

00:53:27.920 rambling too much but that i do think one of the real dangers we have right now and this is part

00:53:34.220 of the reason why you know i i like talking to guys like you i like talking to guys like nick

00:53:38.920 fuentes i like talking to like a lot of these guys because and and i know to some degree there

00:53:44.360 are some in the audience who will like almost think that this is kind of like hopeless naivete

00:53:48.920 or or i'm a jew and i'm being subversive or something like that but it's like the the thing

00:53:55.600 is this right the establishment in america that has just like destroyed this country let alone

00:54:00.480 all the other countries that it's literally destroyed it as i said before it wears this

00:54:05.260 liberal skin it wears this libertarian language everything is operation freedom and voluntary

00:54:11.420 compliance and all these which is not our system it's the opposite of our system it's the system

00:54:16.400 that we once had that built us all of the wealth to allow us to have this corrupt crazy system but

00:54:21.980 like when when people especially young people are understandably reacting against this system

00:54:27.980 which calls itself liberalism the natural tendency is to split into illiberalism and to go yeah we

00:54:35.840 reject liberalism and that's why you see so i i believe that's why you see so many young kids on

00:54:40.800 the left openly supporting communism socialism and why you see so many people on the right openly

00:54:46.240 supporting fascism because it just becomes the knee-jerk reaction that like yo we screw this like

00:54:52.460 we're against what you said you know we're what you say the worst thing in the world is but the

00:54:58.140 truth is that there's just disaster behind both of those paths they've both been tried they've

00:55:03.400 both led to absolute disaster i mean like real deal disasters and it might be like kind of like

00:55:10.720 niche and and kind of like badass to be like no i'm the revisionist who says you know stalin was

00:55:17.720 really cool or i'm the revisionist who says hitler was really cool and by the way that's not a shot

00:55:22.320 at fuentes i don't even mean to say cool because he i get the point he's making when he says it

00:55:27.260 i just mean like the people who are actually going like no these guys were actually great

00:55:30.840 misunderstood leaders and they they were did really good by their people like no they didn't

00:55:35.580 No, they did not. The people who lived under them suffered fates that you literally anyone in America is incapable of even wrapping their head around. And that's what that stuff brings. But we have this other option, a third way, if you will, ironically, where we could just remember what was really great about America. Like we don't have to turn to any of those things. We can just do the American model, which at its best is freedom.

00:56:02.280 the bill of rights the declaration of independence like there there is no there are a lot of dynamics

00:56:07.580 that prevent us from being there but there's nothing against the laws of physics that say

00:56:11.860 we can't just at some point go hey the constitution is still the law of the land screw all of this

00:56:17.020 we're enforcing it now and if we can get to a point where we wake up super majorities of the

00:56:22.700 american people to believe in that then i think we got a fighting shot at maybe things being much

00:56:29.220 better off than they are now so that's the strategy for me just keep saying this stuff

00:56:34.920 and hoping to resonate with as many people as you can professor jang what do you think and

00:56:40.300 we started off saying oh you were even apprehensive to come to america because

00:56:44.200 you could have been a victim of some sort of political violence i think the temperature has

00:56:48.220 been raised and we could still feel it since the assassination of charlie kirk what do we do i speak

00:56:54.260 to so many people in gen z and when you bring up this subject they don't even want to say whether

00:56:58.200 or not they're pro or anti-war in iran right now because they don't want to get fired from their

00:57:01.920 job so it is important to wake up as many people but so many people understand the limitations of

00:57:06.900 free speech even in a country where we pride ourselves in having that free speech so what

00:57:11.180 does the youth do look i completely agree with dave i think first of all the best thing about

00:57:17.620 america the thing that makes america great is the first amendment no other nation in the world has

00:57:21.660 this and it must be protected at all costs um and so you have to support people who support the

00:57:27.640 first amendment uh that's the first point second point is that you have to be right in that young

00:57:33.300 people have been brainwashed too much in schools especially with this dei nonsense uh this liberal

00:57:40.060 woke nonsense so um educating them you know which which which which which is what you're doing right

00:57:46.600 now with your channel that's also very key um to you know make make sure that they have the

00:57:52.320 intellectual capacity to make their own judgments uh that's point number two point number three is

00:57:57.420 i am very very skeptical skeptical about the democrats and so let me tell you why in 2016

00:58:04.700 when trump won i had tds and the reason why is that you know um i went to yale i sat at yale and

00:58:10.840 so i have this very liberal mindset okay like you go to yale and you can't help but come out as a

00:58:15.080 like this program liberal robot and so my instant reaction was this is all wrong uh trump is pure

00:58:22.120 evil he's gonna be next hitler and so we need to do whatever is possible to get rid of this guy 0.66

00:58:27.220 And so I'm not American. I'm a Canadian citizen. But I follow the 2020 Democratic primaries very, very closely. And I became convinced that Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, these are all just program MKUltra people like, you know, they're useless.

00:58:45.280 So the only viable candidate, in my opinion, was Bernie Sanders.

00:58:49.320 And at this point, OK, we're talking like spring 2020, no one thought Joe Biden had a chance of like winning the Democratic primary and beating Trump in November.

00:58:58.980 So I sort of like, you know, forgot about Biden and I focused on Bernie Sanders.

00:59:03.360 And, you know, when he won Nevada, there's a real hope and real energy that this guy would win the Democratic primary.

00:59:09.980 And if he did so, then he would have certainly beaten Trump in November.

00:59:12.980 But then, of course, what happened was Super Tuesday. And then Obama and his people came out full in support of Biden.

00:59:21.260 And I was like, what is this crap? This is this is the second time this has happened to Bernie Sanders. 0.99

00:59:26.340 OK, because in 2016, he was railroaded by the Democratic Party and it was basically stolen from him and given to Hillary Clinton.

00:59:34.560 regardless of what you have to say about trump he did win democratically in 2016 in the republican

00:59:41.220 primary okay the republicans ran a democracy whereas the democrats did not and then and then

00:59:48.340 in 2020 it was rigged as well in 2024 there was even not there was not even a primary so i'd be

00:59:52.860 very suspicious of the democrats because if you go to schools like yale if you go to schools like

00:59:58.960 harvard it's clear like they graduate ask ass kissers right they graduate people who do anything 0.98

01:00:06.500 to suck up to authority um these are people who believe that the ends justify the means 0.98

01:00:11.960 these are people who actually know moral conviction at all so um yes i understand that the democrats

01:00:18.880 will probably win the midterms and i understand that the republicans donald trump they need to

01:00:23.740 be taught a lesson but i would be very wary of the democrats yeah can i that's that's a great point

01:00:29.580 and that's that's almost why i was saying like what i would hope would almost be like some outsider

01:00:33.340 republican not attached to this administration you know prevails because we really don't want

01:00:37.740 to give control back and just like a couple more things on that because even as as you said it it

01:00:42.060 wasn't just when the obamas came out after super tuesday what they did was they orchestrated the

01:00:46.700 whole thing including those mk robots you're talking about so they had buddha judge kamala

01:00:51.020 Harris and Amy Klobuchar all drop out and endorse uh Joe Biden and then Elizabeth Warren stayed in

01:00:57.860 to the bitter end splitting leftist votes with Bernie Sanders like they completely they look we

01:01:02.780 who knows what they did the only reason we know about how much they rigged the 2016 election

01:01:06.920 was because the greatest journalist in modern history Julian Assange leaked the Podesta uh

01:01:12.400 emails and we saw the emails with the DNC we got a DNC hack and a Podesta or not hack I think leak

01:01:18.180 actually is what happened but we got the emails of the dnc and we got the the emails so we found

01:01:23.860 out that donna brazil was given hillary clinton the questions before the debate and we found out

01:01:28.180 that the dnc was colluding on how to smear bernie sanders with this group or this group when they're

01:01:32.780 supposed to be a neutral organization and so but who knows we never got an email dump on 2020 i'm

01:01:38.560 sure they were doing all types of dirty stuff like that too but even just what we have in broad

01:01:42.320 daylight they rigged the thing against him but so one of the the huge dynamics in america that's

01:01:47.600 going on right now because even bernie sanders right bernie sanders himself is a fraud and

01:01:51.440 himself is all an op it's you know look bernie sanders at least in effect what he did every

01:01:58.720 single time was rally up a bunch of young leftists and then do his best to funnel them into the

01:02:03.180 clinton campaign or the biden campaign that's that's literally the function that he served

01:02:07.160 but what happens in that dynamic this is what's happening with trump right now is then that huge

01:02:12.360 base of people is still there for the taking like no one's speaking to them now you know but like

01:02:18.280 someone else could come along and talk to them but also you know just on your your point about

01:02:22.660 the fear of the democrats which we also in this moment cannot forget because it's very easy to

01:02:27.900 get sucked up with the newest thing which is donald trump lying us into a disastrous war and

01:02:32.320 this war is a catastrophe already so we have to be talking about that but like it is hard to

01:02:38.040 overstate how much within the realm of american government right like what we do how much of an

01:02:46.000 escalation in authoritarian behavior the democrats played not just in the dnc rigging these elections

01:02:51.300 against uh bernie sanders but in a much more profound way the way they absolutely rigged the

01:02:56.120 system against donald trump for both the uh the i mean we listen obviously jfk happened in america

01:03:03.980 Richard Nixon was also framed. Like presidents have been brought down by the deep state before.

01:03:08.720 But for there to just be a CIA op that is to frame the sitting president of the United States of

01:03:16.240 America for the crime of treason, totally made up, fabricated an absolute deep state op. I mean,

01:03:22.660 it started as Hillary Clinton opposition research, but that's not really the story. The story is that

01:03:27.220 the deep state ran with that and prosecuted the candidate, the leading candidate, and then the

01:03:31.980 sitting president of the United States of America for three years. They framed him for being a

01:03:36.940 Russian spy before they had to admit they had nothing on him. And then, of course, in the 2020

01:03:40.800 election, I mean, I don't believe any of the theories with the voting machines. I've never

01:03:45.340 been convinced of any of that. But the freaking the Biden laptop thing was an absolute. They stole

01:03:51.220 the election. I mean, like they literally took an issue that would have at least swung a few points

01:03:56.040 to Donald Trump in a razor thin election and just stole the thing from him. Put this letter out with

01:04:01.640 50 intelligence officers saying this was a russian op again after prime in the country for three

01:04:07.280 years to believe that and that is that is a you know i don't know i read a lot about the history

01:04:14.300 of american politics and i've lived in america my entire life and i know we do a lot of stuff

01:04:19.060 but that really was kind of unique in scale and kind this was like a different level of like no

01:04:25.580 we are exerting total control and this came right on the heels of the obama administration

01:04:30.180 which had essentially the obama doctrine was what really made the imperial presidency 0.93

01:04:37.120 naked for the world i obama the obama doctrine the george bush doctrine was we will kill the 0.75

01:04:46.760 terrorists and all the nations who harbor the terrorists and he got to define who are the 0.97

01:04:52.520 nations who harbored what terrorists and he could just lie and make it up the obama doctrine was

01:04:57.340 the president the war is everywhere the global war on terrorism is everywhere and i can touch

01:05:03.880 anywhere in any country anytime i want and i don't even need to pretend to get an authorization of

01:05:08.700 use of military force from congress that was the obama doctrine so bush went to congress for both

01:05:14.040 iraq and afghanistan say whatever you will about him obama never even bothered never even bothered

01:05:20.520 And like that stuff, these are major groundbreaking precedents. They should not be, you know, in today's world where there's so much news every single day, it's easy to forget, you know, the bigger picture. But this is, yes, we should never, under any situation, support giving control of the three-letter agencies and the executive branch back to the Democratic establishment.

01:05:42.000 another point i'm sorry sorry sorry sorry another point i will make is that in trump's first term

01:05:49.560 you had a massive collusion between the mainstream press new york times cnn and the deep state

01:05:55.460 they became stenographers for the three agency agency um three letter agencies and that was

01:05:59.760 surprising and i i think very worrying as well sorry sorry sorry go that's single no no i want

01:06:05.600 you to finish your point i'm not trying to this is a good back and forth no no that was my point

01:06:11.240 You now have this massive collusion between the deep state and the media.

01:06:15.760 And this is, you know, is a direct threat to American democracy.

01:06:19.780 Right.

01:06:20.360 I was going to point out on your point why I support outsiders like Dan Bilzerian.

01:06:24.960 You have Brian McGinnis, the veteran who stood up and got his arm broken by the senator.

01:06:30.080 You also have people like James Fishback running in Florida.

01:06:32.860 I think Mom Donnie is doing a great job in New York City.

01:06:35.360 I think it's important to not just have complete allegiance to one party.

01:06:39.960 I think that's it's going to trap people. These isms are always subverted by different federal agencies. So it's better to just vote in somebody who you fully believe in, but also to never trust somebody completely blindly again, because, again, I was a Trump supporter in 2016 when he was going to drain the swamp and when he was against the globalism and against all the super PAC money. And he completely switched up. And I agree with Dave. I'm disgusted by that. 0.94

01:07:06.400 So, well, you know, it's interesting just that you bring that up because, you know, it is the whole the whole story of Donald Trump from 2016 to being here in this around war is a really fascinating story.

01:07:19.140 And, you know, just even as you said, if you remember the original 2016, I think for a lot of people like around your age, Nico, this was like a real like the coming of age moment was the 2016 Donald Trump presidential campaign that shook up the world and changed everything.

01:07:33.500 And a big, huge part of his appeal was Donald Trump's initial message.

01:07:40.340 People forget all that build the wall and all this stuff that just never happened that people just forget about.

01:07:44.580 But one of his big things was I'm not taking money from anyone.

01:07:48.140 This was a incredibly popular message with the American people who had never heard this message from a presidential candidate ever.

01:07:55.400 because the early presumably yes okay but this was happening at the same time as bernie so i guess

01:08:01.660 they were both saying it at the same time but in general even bernie was going i'm raising a whole

01:08:07.780 bernie would say most of my donations come in 37 or whatever you know but he wasn't exactly saying

01:08:15.180 what donald trump goes anyone who's really going to possibly win to be president has to take all

01:08:21.080 of the dirty money and I'm not taking a cent of it because I'm a billionaire. I don't have to take

01:08:25.640 any of their money. So you know what? I can come here and tell everyone whatever I want to. It

01:08:30.320 doesn't matter. There was like this freedom with it. And I don't know, this is a real forgotten

01:08:33.780 chapter in history, but I always remember this because it was the first time I took Donald Trump

01:08:38.220 politically serious. I was like, oh, I have to treat this like this is a serious thing because

01:08:43.060 he was doing really good. He was ranting and raving. He was winning in the polls,

01:08:46.980 but it just was kind of like, eh, he's a showman. Um, so anyway, he made a comment.

01:08:51.760 Someone asked him about Israel, Palestine and where he stood on that issue. And this is just

01:08:56.800 Donald Trump in 2016, letting it rip. Like he, I don't know, he's making it up on the spot.

01:09:01.080 Like he always does. So Donald Trump, he does the thing Donald Trump does where, you know,

01:09:04.740 when he pauses, when they ask him a question and you can tell he's thinking right there.

01:09:08.480 And then like what, like he doesn't have his answer ready for this. He's going,

01:09:11.240 I'll tell you this. And like almost anything could come out. And he goes, cause he's Donald

01:09:16.000 Trump, he goes, I think we should be neutral. We should just be neutral with Israel and Palestine. 0.90

01:09:20.800 Now, as you guys know, saying America should be neutral with Israel and Palestine is like to 0.99

01:09:27.360 the Israel lobby, you might as well say we should start eating Jewish babies. Like you are a monster 1.00

01:09:33.980 caricature of Adolf Hitler. If you would dare think that we don't have unconditional support 0.98

01:09:37.840 for Israel and we're always on their side. And so he got the lobby totally turned on Donald Trump.

01:09:43.140 They were furious with him. And if you can remember at this time, Donald Trump was saying

01:09:47.940 things like he was going, you can't vote for Rubio because he'll be a puppet of Sheldon Adelson.

01:09:54.900 Like whether he knew it or not, he was publicly going, he'll be a tool of the lobby if you vote

01:10:00.260 for him. And then, so in the midst of this controversy, which may have squashed Donald

01:10:06.080 Trump, if he had not handled it, he goes and gives a speech at AIPAC. And I remember being like,

01:10:12.620 whoa what's gonna happen here and donald trump goes up on stage and the first thing he says or

01:10:18.380 damn near first thing he says is he goes i'm gonna make great deals nobody else makes great deals

01:10:24.540 like me and the worst deal ever made was the jcpoa obama's around deal and they they are standing 0.99

01:10:34.300 ovation for him now and i remember in that moment being like oh dude not only can this guy work up

01:10:40.140 the plebs but like he can tangle and grapple with the israel lobby like he's a legit political

01:10:48.000 threat like he might win and anyway just like that's the that's the story of how they first

01:10:54.480 got him in was that he went oh i know this will be the thing i say that gets the lakudniks in

01:11:01.300 the lobby off my back this will be the thing i'll promise him and i don't know exactly where along

01:11:07.000 line, he decided to also take the Adelson money and also be everything he claimed Marco Rubio

01:11:11.140 was going to be. And also publicly tell us that he's that. Just tell us that they gave him the

01:11:15.220 money and they demand this and this is what I do. But it is crazy that from that pledge to here,

01:11:20.100 that was how the whole thing initially started. And none of this happens, none of this, if he

01:11:26.540 didn't tear up the JCPOA. That was the first step to this whole conflict or the last step to this

01:11:33.500 conflict i guess there's been several i want to see uh is there any final thoughts or any anything

01:11:41.020 you that uh the guests on the panel would like to ask each other or some concluding message that we

01:11:46.460 can wrap this up with i'll start with professor jang yeah no i mean this has been a great

01:11:53.080 conversation like i love talking to dave you know i i think we think alike on many many issues um

01:11:59.300 And I think it's very important to have these conversations to show how different people of different political allegiances can align on certain political topics.

01:12:09.980 And I have to emphasize, you know, the best thing about America, because we don't have it in Canada or China or anywhere else in the world, is the First Amendment.

01:12:17.680 So whichever politician, whoever says that, you know, we have to protect the First Amendment, I think we should all support.

01:12:25.620 Absolutely. Yeah, it's great. A great point, man.

01:12:27.700 And like for as for as bad as so many things are, then you certainly don't want to downplay any of of it because we're in a dangerous spot right now as as a country.

01:12:38.220 But we really do still have this ability to a large extent.

01:12:42.860 And even some of the censorship from just the last few years has tremendously been rolled back or made much less effective than it was.

01:12:52.760 and you know it's it's just we we still do you know the president can be out there

01:12:58.720 trashing Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and Alex Jones and Candace Owens and everything but like

01:13:03.860 they still have the ability to snap back at him the next day on their podcast and you know like

01:13:09.200 as long as we have that we really should focus on preserving it because we've lost so much else

01:13:15.860 and you know that is really that when you lose that as the professor says there's really no

01:13:22.740 getting it back the this is it's kind of an unprecedented thing that we have this enshrined

01:13:28.280 as the very first um amendment to the constitution and the you know there's really never been

01:13:35.000 anything quite like it before and there isn't another example of it in the world today and so

01:13:40.300 the idea that you think you lose that you know the odds of you getting it back are slim to none

01:13:44.760 so that is i completely agree with that whoever's on the side of free speech here always is the good

01:13:50.580 guy in, in my book and whoever's opposing it is the bad guy. Like by definition, that's the people

01:13:57.220 who are, and I even, uh, you know, include like the people like whining about platforming and

01:14:02.640 stuff like that in there too. Like, I don't know. It's just, it's a, there's a crazy discrepancy.

01:14:08.240 You could almost divide the American, like, um, commentating podcasting streaming class or

01:14:13.840 whatever into two distinct categories. There is one category is like, you know, the people who

01:14:20.400 will be like joe rogan had daryl cooper on his show and why would he do he had daryl cooper and

01:14:25.980 then he had whoever you know and then oh my gosh he had this guy who was saying this horrible thing

01:14:30.520 and oh my god he had tucker carlson on his show and then tucker carlson talked to nick fuentes

01:14:34.940 you know whatever it's like and then there's the people like us who like it would never even dawn

01:14:42.040 on us to have that attitude you know what i mean like it's never like if you just think about it

01:14:46.460 from the opposite perspective right like joe rogan has had on like douglas murray and ben shapiro and

01:14:52.880 all these guys who used to go on joe rogan show are like why are you having dave smith on oh my

01:14:56.880 god it joe rogan has on so many people whose views i completely disagree with and it just would never

01:15:04.000 even dawn on me to go why is joe having this guy on like yeah just have him on i don't know have

01:15:11.460 everybody on what's the problem here like anybody who's not on the side of just like dude we got to

01:15:16.700 bring the temperature down here we got to find solutions to these problems we got to be allowed

01:15:20.500 to talk this through if we can't do that then we have no chance i think it's more important than

01:15:25.660 ever i mean literally three years ago i think that that was a an act of political violence

01:15:31.200 we saw that ramp up especially after charlie kirk during this conversation i'm looking at my hands

01:15:35.620 it's like i have yeah you literally i literally just now went through it like there's blood on

01:15:39.820 my fingers from and on my knuckles here from something that happened literally three hours

01:15:44.200 ago more people in gen z are afraid to have these conversations because they know the outcome so

01:15:50.340 it's more important than ever to support these conversations and i look forward to having more

01:15:54.800 panels and reaching out to more people having this sort of dialogue and let's encourage this more

01:15:59.320 because although we do have these rights they're trying everything they can to to stop us from

01:16:03.500 using them oh and can i just say and i apologize to the professor who's i really have enjoyed this

01:16:09.320 conversation and uh you're clearly a incredibly intelligent guy um so i apologize for dragging 1.00

01:16:14.980 this down to the gutter for a second but i just gotta say while i'm on here what a fucking pussy 1.00

01:16:19.320 bitch move man like what type of man how do you like go home and look in the mirror like you 1.00

01:16:24.560 shouldn't you should be you should have to sit down to pee for the rest of your life like just 1.00

01:16:28.800 swinging a random sucker punch at a guy looking at his phone i i don't know like maybe it's my age

01:16:34.720 or like the way i grew up man but where i grew up in the 80s in brooklyn and stuff there were a lot

01:16:39.300 of fistfights but there was like there was a code of honor to some degree that i don't know what is

01:16:45.220 going on in this country where it's like you wouldn't just i feel like your friends would

01:16:50.660 beat you up if you did something like that just randomly sucker attack like if you wanted to go 0.98

01:16:55.700 up and he goes oh you're sneaker i fucking hate you and like challenge you to a fight or something 1.00

01:17:00.020 or say something and then start a fight with you that's one thing but what a just weak pathetic 0.99

01:17:05.140 move man i got maced like that he maced me right afterwards as soon as i got up he stood up and i 0.96

01:17:09.860 got pepper sprayed all over my eyes and i don't think it was a woman's weapon it's a weapon for

01:17:15.300 women i don't think it was a random guy not men do not fight with mace what is wrong with you young 0.65

01:17:19.900 men i'm sorry i've never felt like more of a father but like you know that's insane i think

01:17:25.000 if it was something if it was a personal grievance he had i think he would have said it there

01:17:28.420 that's usually what happens when people are angry i think somebody paid him to do that so i wouldn't

01:17:32.880 even say that that's you know he's responsible completely for that but thank you so much for

01:17:37.440 coming on professor jang and you encouraged me to have these panels i am going to asia tomorrow so

01:17:42.880 uh but i will be back soon and maybe we can have more of these conversation where these panels

01:17:47.000 open invitation to people watching this and i'm coming to your continent uh tomorrow okay man

01:17:53.520 thanks so much guys god bless everybody and i appreciate you having this conversation

01:17:57.600 absolutely thanks to both of you really enjoyed it bye great bye

SHNEAKO - April 15, 2026

SNEAKO X Professor Jiang X Dave Smith ｜ Unity Amidst Chaos - Full Panel Discussion

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