On this episode of the Jack Neill Podcast, Jack and Evan are joined by Dave Smith to discuss the recent attack on him on the streets of New York City, the recent events in Ukraine, and much more.
00:00:00.320how are you good to hear from you that was a great call yesterday yeah yeah no it was a lot of fun
00:00:07.520perfect um i'm gonna send the link to dave smith right now sure
00:00:15.040i don't know if you saw i just got attacked on the street yeah i yeah i i i did um and
00:00:22.880how are you man no i'm great it's fine uh no issues they're trying to say that like i got
00:00:28.240knocked out that's not true trying to say my tooth got knocked out it's chipped and it was a
00:00:32.160it was a filling from an attack from several years ago so wow yeah people are trying to click bait
00:00:38.000it and stuff that's that's not true i mean this just happened two hours ago so i'm okay um yeah
00:00:43.120just glad that we're able to do this call i appreciate your time no i mean i was actually
00:00:48.240thinking of going to the united states sometime in the fall and uh my wife is against it just
00:00:54.640because she feels that the um temperature united states is like really high right now i mean like
00:00:59.560the same thing could happen to me when i'm walking the streets right i'm in new york city walking0.98
00:01:03.220around and someone's like you know i recognize you you're the ass so we start this war and then0.94
00:01:07.740suddenly you know uh i'm being attacked it's so funny i saw you say that on the jack neil podcast0.99
00:01:13.000word for you like i don't know if i should go to the states i might get punched in the face
00:01:15.660yeah yeah you know no my my wife is really worried another issue is like they might not
00:01:21.900might let me in you know i might be at the border and i'm on a watch list and they you know you can't
00:01:28.060come in so um yeah understandable i mean i yeah i've been invited on quite a few podcasts um and
00:01:37.180i would like to go because um i i want to do the podcast circuit but um right now the situation
00:01:45.980is so tense and it doesn't seem as though the temperature will uh you know go lower i mean it
00:01:54.220just seems that the situation is just becoming more and more tense as time goes by absolutely
00:02:00.860and yeah there's a lot of people that are very pro-war or against your political beliefs or
00:02:07.540my political beliefs i'm of the belief that that attack was a setup he maced me right after i got
00:02:14.140pepper sprayed and he had it ready to go yeah he pulled that out of his front pocket so yeah i don't
00:02:20.320think anybody like a random homeless guy or some crazy person would do that especially if you see
00:02:24.860it i wasn't you know saying anything to him i was just reading my chat so i 100 think that yeah i
00:02:30.860mean look anybody who's against your rhetoric and say that they want to shut you out this is their
00:02:35.620method they're not going to try to debate and this is why these panels are good it shows unity and
00:02:40.080even if we have disagreements i think you have a lot of disagreements with dugan and i think you
00:02:43.620lot of disagreements potentially with dave smith it's important to have conversations like this
00:02:47.700and show that we could be civil and speak yeah no i mean i do have a lot of disagreements with
00:02:54.500dugan but it's very interesting to hear his perspective um and and i think it's really
00:03:00.980important to try to have honest conversations with as many people as possible especially of different
00:03:07.380different political beliefs absolutely he just got the zoom call he liked the messages i wonder
00:03:14.420if he's joining i want to make sure yeah so with dugan it was uh it was pretty late for you you
00:03:20.740seemed you were a little i looked it up it was like around 10 30 or 11 o'clock when we finished
00:03:25.220yeah yeah yeah um i was a bit tired but you know like one question i would have had for him
00:03:30.980is how does he reconcile the fact that for the longest time
00:03:38.600Rome was considered the Antichrist, right?
00:03:42.280So early Christians saw Rome as the B system, as the Antichrist.0.67
00:03:50.780And so now that Moscow wants to be the third Rome,
00:03:53.320how would you go about reconciling that difference?
00:03:57.340Because for a lot of Protestants, and possibly even for Catholics,
00:03:59.800the idea of an ascendant orthodox system they would find extremely morally repulsive so how
00:04:07.980would he go about reconciling the differences between the orthodox and the catholic traditions
00:04:12.100that i think is doable but then the differences between the protestants and the orthodox
00:04:17.060is something that is actually a lot harder to reconcile oh there he is hey what's up guys
00:04:24.460can you hear us all everything good you sound loud and clear okay cool just making sure hey
00:04:29.880hey man i'm glad you're okay yeah everything's fine everything is good thanks for asking earlier
00:04:34.260uh dave smith did text me but this conversation is extremely important i'm glad you guys made
00:04:38.580the time to come on here it seems like you guys we don't have to do it uh it's over trump just
00:04:44.300said we won so this is oh yeah let's get out of here dude yeah i think i think the eighth time
00:04:50.400you declare victory and it's over that means it's officially over so we're good guys well what do
00:04:55.520you say this time because he's declared victory time and time again over the last several weeks
00:04:58.900well it's not uh so he recorded an interview with uh maria bartiramo from uh fox news and uh i think
00:05:07.400it's supposed to air i believe it's 6 a.m tomorrow but then she gave like the she announced that he
00:05:13.600has declared the war is over which is just it's the most trumpian thing ever yeah i guess if you
00:05:19.700just say it then it's real so was this a true social post what i saw from yesterday trump was
00:05:27.340saying that he was not actually portraying himself as jesus the he was it was uh being a red cross
00:05:34.640doctor did you see this oh yeah yeah yes no it's an honest mistake of course so i'm not sure how
00:05:42.640much uh you two know about each other i think this is going to be an interesting conversation
00:05:46.200well i think the major similarities and what's most important is that you're both anti-iran war
00:05:50.600correct yeah we're both anti-war yeah okay i mean like like no i've been following dave for a long
00:05:57.840time i'm a huge fan of his and i i am mostly aligned with his libertarian beliefs oh well
00:06:05.600that's i i appreciate that and that's good to know i know i saw your uh um i've seen i saw
00:06:10.240your interview on breaking points and then i've seen a couple other things that were just going
00:06:13.620viral of your you're predicting the war and stuff like that and uh yeah that prediction certainly
00:06:18.680came true a lot of them came true trump winning this around war happening the desalination plants
00:06:24.980but uh yeah dave you texted me earlier because i think you were you know you did well in those
00:06:29.520piers morgan debates the first one was pretty funny the memo the second debate was an actual
00:06:33.720debate so i think the purpose of these conversations is maybe having more dialogue rather than the
00:06:39.960screaming matches you see on Piers Morgan do you have any well maybe let's just see what are the
00:06:45.680major points of contention that you two have seen from each other's rhetoric oh I don't know that
00:06:52.700the professor would have to to you know say I'm not sure if there are points of contention but
00:06:57.320by the way I will just say even on those Piers Morgan debates um I always go in to just like
00:07:01.740yo let's talk about these issues I know that's what I really care about and I'd like to have
00:07:05.820a conversation and persuade people and my general rule is always like if people are respectful that's
00:07:10.860who i am i'm like naturally kind of a polite pleasant person um but then i guess i'm also
00:07:17.300very ready to be vicious at the drop of a dime if someone else is vicious to me so even on pierce
00:07:22.160morgan i've had some really good ones the last two just happen to be kind of goofy and you know
00:07:25.880went off the rails but maybe the professor could say what if anything he thinks maybe
00:07:29.620i'm getting wrong or i'm missing or something like that
00:07:31.900there's nothing right so yeah no no i think one point of contention that we could discuss is i
00:07:41.520think there's a lot of belief that this war is personality driven or it's interest driven meaning
00:07:47.020you know it's either trump um being an imperialist or being crazy or it's israel um and yahoo
00:07:55.400controlling things behind the scenes and the argument i would make is that it's much more0.81
00:07:59.540structural um that if you study history macro history we have seen this pattern before whereas
00:08:05.060empire declines it starts these imperialist wars overseas that do not benefit itself in the long
00:08:11.380term um but um it's driven by hubris it's driven by structural forces as well so i think that's
00:08:18.180one area of contention that that we can discuss that's interesting i mean i said there certainly
00:08:23.140is a lot of truth to that and there's even when you study like um like in the fall of the roman
00:08:28.260empire when they were just like uh diluting their gold coins there's like almost like a one-to-one
00:08:34.260metaphor for like money printing you know what i mean even if okay we're doing ours on computers
00:08:38.340and stuff and certainly the dynamics of like um you know uh crushing debt expanded military
00:08:46.100cultural decay like there's a lot for sure i guess i would just say i don't think those things are
00:08:52.260necessarily in conflict like i think there are all those structural issues and then there are
00:08:56.820also the personalities involved and there are also the financial incentives and so i'm certainly
00:09:02.120not opposed to like i think i think that's kind of that's true basically that we are in this kind
00:09:07.680of like collapsing empire mode that has happened before in human history also look i mean the
00:09:15.720israel lobbies essentially their sole purpose for the last 25 years has been to get this war
00:09:21.760i mean a few others along the way but they've been pushing for this one forever and this of0.63
00:09:27.220all the worst it's almost like the most open and shut slam dunk like i mean if you were
00:09:31.520prosecuting a trial for murder we'd have more than enough to put every lakud member you know
00:09:37.240in jail for the rest of their lives and so you know that does tend to be my focus and maybe that
00:09:42.420is a little bit more narrow than looking at the broader kind of um cyclical you know history
00:09:48.540rhyming patterns right right well dave don't you hate america i saw ben shapiro just responded to
00:09:56.920the conversation i had with professor jang and alexander dugan yesterday and he said he's
00:10:01.880exposing sneko there's a title and i haven't got the chance to watch the video yet but the narrative
00:10:07.020is that i hate america which i saw he said about you you know you publicly said that you'll debate
00:10:11.960him i'll debate ben shapiro as well do you not hate america by opposing the israeli lobby dave0.95
00:10:16.880oh it's all so ridiculous man it's like the whole all of my opposition to all of these
00:10:23.880foreign conflicts is out of a love for america and particularly out of a love for america the0.84
00:10:28.640america that i grew up in um in the 1980s and 90s which is you know is a much different country
00:10:35.320and i believe a much better country than the one we live in today and not that this is the entire
00:10:40.400reason for that but a huge part of it of what degraded this country was the global war on
00:10:46.040terrorism it totally bankrupted us um not just financially but i believe like spiritually i
00:10:51.480think there's a real spiritual aspect to these things and you know even like let's say from the
00:10:58.640the perspective of say like a real traditional conservative let's like say you're an american
00:11:04.920conservative when did you when did you lose the culture this is in the 1960s when we were fighting
00:11:12.940the war in Vietnam for, for specific reasons. Like you, you start doing these, your government
00:11:18.100starts doing these type of evil things. It affects like the, even the ability of conservatives to,
00:11:25.440to have a voice in the room to say like, Hey, no, we want to keep Americanism in this whole
00:11:29.780tradition. Like when that whole tradition is what like slaughtering babies, it just like,
00:11:33.520it leads to this moral decay in a country. Obviously it banks, it bankrupts the country
00:11:38.220financially. And, um, no, it's just ridiculous. Like if I didn't, if I hated America, I would0.98
00:11:43.880support all of these wars. If I really hated America and really wanted to destroy it, I would0.83
00:11:48.200be the biggest cheerleader of Benjamin Netanyahu. So again, these are, these are like infantile
00:11:54.680childish arguments and they, it's the same ones that the Warhawks always throw out. Oh, if you
00:12:00.360don't support this, you hate America. And then it's, we started this. So now we got to finish
00:12:05.640shit. It's all this, you know, it's, I always thought neoconservatives were fundamentally0.99
00:12:11.020unserious people. Well, Professor Zhang, what would you respond to that criticism? If they're
00:12:18.080going to say that you're a pro Chinese anti American commentator, you hate this country,
00:12:23.720especially, I think people start to believe that when Dave says something like the American empire
00:12:28.940is collapsing. But accurately looking at the state of finances, for example, we are $39 trillion
00:12:35.400in debt. Trump, in his rhetoric, he's alienating everybody. He's attacking the Pope. This seems
00:12:41.720like it's repeating patterns within history where empires have fallen. So how do we talk about this
00:12:47.680without being anti-America? Right. So I'm primarily interested in game theory and the
00:12:57.460capacity of game theory to make predictions about the future. So I'm interested in having a
00:13:03.020discussion about what drives human events and why do we do what we do. And if we have a serious
00:13:10.320discussion about this, I think this gives us a better understanding of who we are and it allows
00:13:15.900us to better control our future and develop a future that is more fit, more healthy for our
00:13:22.220children. So that's my primary purpose. And I make predictions as a way to validate my understanding
00:13:28.700of how the world works these theoretical models so that's why i'm interested in having these
00:13:33.860these discussions primarily as a way for myself to doubt and debate my own models
00:13:38.980and to explore different possibilities so i don't find myself i don't see myself as having a
00:13:46.200political leaning uh i'm probably libertarian if i were to classify myself um but i can see the
00:13:53.300perspective of like different sides i'm completely sympathetic to the viewpoint of people like ben
00:13:58.140Shapiro and Mark Levine, even though some people will find their views abhorrent.
00:14:05.780So, for example, one argument that they would make in private that they could not make in
00:14:10.920public is an empire in its nature is an evil thing, but an empire brings tremendous status,
00:14:20.000tremendous prosperity to the people within the imperium.
00:14:24.000And so the question is, are Americans happy with Russia or China being a top dog in the world, meaning that Russia and China can control the United Nations, control terms of trade, control the WTO, and basically set the agenda for humanity.
00:14:46.420And so for Russia, that can mean a much more orthodox perspective.
00:14:50.660For China, that can mean a much more communist perspective.
00:14:52.800And so the question is, would Americans be okay with either China or Russia being the empire and basically America retreating back into its condo fortress?
00:15:14.160I think one thing that you're definitely vindicated about was Venezuela.
00:15:17.980So this happened in January, and we got a lot of pushback, and we did some collabs speaking about how the Venezuela regime change and that whole invasion was just about getting a, well, my point of view was they were just trying to get oil so that they could supplement the loss of oil that would happen if they attacked Iran and they would close the Strait of Hormuz.
00:15:36.880I think you also agreed that that was part of the plan, and we've been vindicated about that.
00:15:41.660And people are saying that you hate America even back then.
00:15:43.960What can we predict going forward because you got a prediction like this correct?
00:15:47.980well i mean it's look i mean that is not my specialty is is you know working out models
00:15:54.340to predict the future that is above my pay grade and it is tough it's a it's a tough um you know
00:16:00.480there's a lot there's just so many variables when it comes to human affairs and it's hard to account
00:16:06.140for all of them i i would say like with a with a high likelihood right now it it seems to me
00:16:14.820that donald trump right now is kind of desperate for a gimmick to get out of this um it seems like
00:16:21.980he he it it seems to be the case somehow even though this is fairly hard to believe that
00:16:28.760the israelis convinced him like according to new york that new york times piece it was that
00:16:34.020benjamin netanyahu and the massad convinced him that this was this would this would tank the
00:16:38.440regime and that they could they could get a regime change with like a an easy first strike
00:16:42.940decapitation or at least claim they got one as they did in venezuela um and and obviously none
00:16:49.320of that is true but i would say at this point right if you just kind of like look at the stated
00:16:54.820uh goals of the war so it would be what like destroying around's nuclear capabilities even
00:17:03.260though they already claimed that they obliterated them seven months ago it would be now zero percent
00:17:08.160enriched uranium, so recovering the enriched uranium, destroying their intercontinental
00:17:14.300ballistic missiles, destroying their support for Hezbollah, destroying their ability to
00:17:19.940shoot protesters or whatever, the 100,000 that they shot in a day or whatever.
00:17:26.660And now we have a whole new war aim that we didn't have at the beginning of the war,
00:17:30.680which is getting the Strait of Hormuz opened. The prospect of any of those things happening
00:17:37.740seems pretty slim. Perhaps the Strait of Hormuz, you could work out a deal where like if you quit
00:17:45.000right now, the Iranians would go, all right, we'll take that opportunity. We flexed, let us try to1.00
00:17:49.740recover a little bit. Obviously, they have taken a lot of damage and they're dealing with those
00:17:54.560issues. But that was the only one that seems plausible. And that was the status quo before
00:18:00.360the war. So there's no way, you know, so essentially what you're looking at here is just
00:18:05.080an unquestionable loss like however you you want to phrase it i think it's the best case scenario
00:18:11.980is that somehow donald trump can get out of this and it's just clearly a loss in which case i think
00:18:16.660he's destroyed his presidency handed the country back over to the democrats and we're all right
00:18:21.580back at square one of essentially having to oppose the insane progressives and then of course the
00:18:27.240worst case scenario is that he's not able to get out of this and that there is a i would i'm not
00:18:33.420going to make a prediction one way or the other i think both of them have there's a strong chance
00:18:38.120of either of those outcomes especially when you got the israelis in there who are going to continue
00:18:43.140to do everything they can to keep the americans in as long as they can tolerate what they're0.73
00:18:49.040getting back from around he's like that his his only support base now are hardcore zionists he's
00:18:54.280alienated everybody else he alienated tucker carlson candace owens mega kelly alex jones0.54
00:18:59.540now Catholics. He's attacked the Pope, saying that the Pope is weak on crime. So because there's a
00:19:06.200very strong negative sentiment with the current administration, because he is alienating so many
00:19:13.360people, there's a lack of leadership. And a lot of people, if they look at what's happening and
00:19:17.400seeing how ridiculous the parameters of this war are, how can we move forward the correct way
00:19:23.060without more acts of borderline civil war which we saw in minnesota with the ice attacks how do
00:19:30.720we keep the temperature in this country correct to elect the right people and get the sentiment
00:19:38.900here and prevent massive protests like vietnam and get people to distrust this country i want
00:19:44.000to start with professor jang as a over there from china how do you think we can fix this
00:19:50.080right so again i look at macro history and um the reality is that america is addicted to the
00:20:01.600petrodollar it's addicted to money printing it's addicted to the world consuming uh u.s treasuries
00:20:08.580buying up u.s treasuries which allows americans basically finance their um pretty luxurious
00:20:15.080lifestyle if you're an average american you basically live better than roman emperor i mean
00:20:21.780it america is really in a privileged position and the question is are americans willing to make
00:20:28.260the sacrifices necessary in order to ensure world peace so um yesterday i had a conversation with
00:20:36.880my wife and we did a thought experiment because um right now the baby boomer generation has the
00:20:44.560most power, the most wealth of any generation in America. So it's ultimately up to them what they0.94
00:20:52.400want to do. And I asked my wife, let's just say we talk to the baby boomers and say, for the sake of1.00
00:20:58.980world peace, for the sake of your children, for the sake of your grandchildren, for the sake of0.99
00:21:03.220America, we need to charge you 50% taxes. You know, and it's not ridiculous, a 50% tax on baby
00:21:12.220boomers. But by taxing 50% tax, this will ensure world peace, this will ensure American prosperity,0.83
00:21:20.460this will ensure a better future for your children. And my wife played the role of baby
00:21:24.860boomers. And she told me, there's actually no way that I as a baby boomer would agree to this deal,0.81
00:21:30.760because I've got another 10, 20 years ahead of me. And I want to ensure that my life is stable,
00:21:37.400that it's prosperous and i worked really hard for um to have all this wealth in my bank bank account1.00
00:21:45.060and so um that's a structural issue that i don't think can be resolved because the baby boomers0.98
00:21:51.740have all the power they have all the wealth they control the the political apparatus there's one
00:21:57.020demographic that actually supports this war in iran uh there's only one demographic and it's
00:22:01.420baby boomers and this demographic is also the only demographic that that supported um israel's
00:22:09.060actions in in gaza so um that's my concern right now yeah no that's a really good point and also
00:22:16.140i mean because to your point uh before sneaker when you're like who's possibly supporting you
00:22:20.500know donald trump except the israel lobby at this point but that's the answer it's the baby boomers
00:22:24.120like who's still watching mark levin's show who's still watching sean hannity it is your fox news
00:22:29.960watching father-in-law okay well for sneak maybe grandfather and something like that i don't know
00:22:34.840whatever i'm a little older the point is like that's who it is now also you know i made this
00:22:40.000comparison the other day but i remember one time i was watching this uh this documentary about
00:22:44.680abortion and they were interviewing an abortionist like an abortion doctor and this lady is like
00:22:50.880she's like listen i've been performing abortions for 35 years and let me tell you something there
00:22:55.580is no moral issue with abortion it's not a it's not a human being it's a tiny little thing and i
00:23:00.460remember thinking in a way you're like well yeah you better believe that because like the alternative
00:23:05.140to you believing that is that you believe that you are a baby serial murderer out of a nightmare0.64
00:23:10.760so like yeah you you're and in a similar way the boomers are so invested in the idea that they0.70
00:23:17.320earned it honestly that they did you know like even when it was just that the house they bought
00:23:21.900for eighty thousand dollars became worth six hundred thousand dollars and they took out a home
00:23:25.920equity line of credit and then invested that in the stock market which happened to go up because
00:23:29.660they were inflating the currency they still and they're so invested in that that the apps the the
00:23:34.400psychological like incentive structure there for them to accept that this was all a big con and that
00:23:41.440we were all kind of like that we were in this privileged position and you know the the tragic
00:23:47.060thing in to me in american history economically is that we really did transition from being
00:23:54.580the greatest experiment in laissez-faire free market capitalism ever to being the biggest
00:24:01.220experiment in big government central banking fiat currency insanity and so the like the the
00:24:09.780americans we were only in the position to be the second because we were the first the whole reason
00:24:15.380why we even got the reason why america won the first world war and the second world war well
00:24:20.500aside from getting into it late and having a huge advantage in that sense that all these other powers
00:24:25.700were exhausted a bit by the time we got it particularly world war one totally exhausted
00:24:29.780but but then it was because we had built up the biggest productive capacity in the history of the
00:24:33.940world and we were able to transition that into military productive capacity and so we just
00:24:38.980dominated you know that you if you read about world war one and world war two in many cases
00:24:43.220the germans had like superior machinery but we would churn out 2 000 pieces of arm you know0.94
00:24:51.060before they could turn out five you know like they had the better subs they had the but it didn't0.84
00:24:56.020matter because this was america we mcdonald's our way into winning two world wars yes and then
00:25:02.260because we were in that position we got to call the shots on the entire global order and so we
00:25:07.380we became the global superpower hegemon in a bipolar world but even then i mean the losses
00:25:14.040that communist russia had taken after world war ii they just simply were not in the same position
00:25:18.420that america was all the only damage on our shores we suffered was pearl harbor and that
00:25:22.900ain't even really on our shores russia had been destroyed you know and so lost you know 10
00:25:28.880casualties in the tens of millions you know um and so then the new system became okay well i mean we
00:25:36.380We had already, right at the beginning of World War I, created the income tax, created the central bank.
00:25:40.820We had laid the groundwork for this new order.
00:25:44.380And then essentially it became, right, like as you said, it went from first the Bretton Woods agreement where, okay, essentially we'll be the gold standard of the world, which tied every currency to our currency.
00:25:55.240Then we're going to bail on that and switch over to the petro status because we've been printing too much money to redeem anything in gold.
00:26:01.220And so now we have this system where essentially, right, we don't get our wealth the good old-fashioned honest way that we used to, which did make us the wealthiest country in the world even at that time.
00:26:13.100We still could have just continued to build on our productive capacity and had an honest economy.
00:26:18.580And instead, the way we get our wealth now is all – like you could look at all the wealthiest counties in America.
00:26:24.300They're all outside of Washington, D.C. and New York City.
00:26:26.300It's like either you're in finance and you're just trading, speculating, essentially just extracting wealth out of the real economy, or you're in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. because you have some government contractor, you work for a weapons company or something like that, an NGO, something attached to the government.
00:26:43.440And if you do zoom out on this, and I'll wrap up here, but just to disclaim, because I don't want to be accused. I've got nothing against talking to any Chinese person or Middle Eastern person or anything. I'm an individualist. But just to be clear, I'm a libertarian. I do not support any form of communism, whether it's the quasi-fascistic form of the CCP or any other system.
00:27:03.700I believe I'm an American for Americanism and free market capitalism.
00:27:07.840But look, I mean, it's hard not to say someone could accuse me.
00:27:12.020Just calling balls and strikes here.0.97
00:27:14.160Essentially, the deal between just say like America and China spanning decades now has been you make all of our stuff and we will buy it from you.0.78
00:27:27.280You do the production and we'll do the consumption.
00:27:30.140And, oh, by the way, we're going to need you to lend us some money to do the consumption because we're dead broken and we can't afford it.
00:27:37.520And it is – the truth is just that it is a totally just unfair deal for the world on behalf of America.0.75
00:27:47.960But I would add the caveat to that being that the boomers were the last generation that really benefited from that whole system.0.59
00:27:55.340None of the rest of the generations are benefiting from this.
00:27:58.440And so it's not just that like, oh, we have this unfair system, but it does help America. Actually, it's destroying America. It's helping the banking sector. It's helping the weapons manufacturers. And it helped the baby boomers. And so I agree with you. They're not going to change their minds. But the thing they are going to do is die. And that's coming up in the next few decades. I mean, that's already starting. Baby boomers are starting to go down.
00:28:22.460And so I'm just saying that is, you know, unless we got some real breakthroughs in medicine coming up here. So anyway, I would say that what at least has happened is that back to your analogy of like, would you take this deal? The baby boomers would not. But the 50 and under crowd is radically aware of all of this stuff in a way that the American people have never been before. And so perhaps I'm hopeful that if we can make it till then, we will be looking at a new political reality.1.00
00:28:52.460okay so that was a great um um you know um dialogue so thanks so much dave so i i want to
00:29:01.420make two points okay to further our discussion so let's talk about the china u.s relationship
00:29:05.740so you say that um the us uh maybe the baby boomers benefited but the united states overall
00:29:12.060lost in this relationship with china and i i i want to um explain the chinese perspective
00:29:19.020because it is true that america did offshore its manufacturing capacity to china that is true
00:29:26.700and that built the chinese middle class but what people don't discuss is that china offshored its
00:29:32.940elite selection and indoctrination to america okay and this is very important this is something
00:29:38.700americans don't really discuss meaning that china sent all its top students all the like the wealthiest
00:29:45.580brightest students to america to be indoctrinated in the ivy league and universities and then they
00:29:50.240came back to control china and so what this means is that um over these past few decades china's0.97
00:29:59.340civilization capacity its intellectual capacity has been civilly downgraded so even though um0.82
00:30:06.900china has become much more prosperous you can make the argument that china has been
00:30:10.560intellectually colonized by america so the chinese elite right now have this very new liberal um very0.76
00:30:17.920pro-american slant which i think is going to hinder china's development of civilization for
00:30:26.560the next few hundred years okay so so so so so so i so i i will put this caveat out there okay like
00:30:31.920like it's not just china has benefited everything from this relationship um china has lost a lot as
00:30:36.640well um so so that's one point i'll make second point second point that i will make is that once
00:30:42.240we um point out that it's a baby boomers who benefit a great deal from from american empire0.68
00:30:48.320we can now make certain predictions about how baby boomers will behave before they die okay0.99
00:30:53.200we all agree they will die in 20 years 30 years who knows but they but there will be drastic1.00
00:30:58.160political changes before they die off all right yeah so if you just look look at the like look
00:31:03.360look at the periods of American history, which you discussed, right? So maybe in the 60s and 70s,
00:31:08.600it was a great society period where America was heavily invested in growing a family. You had
00:31:13.620Medicare, you had the pension system, Social Security all being developed at this time. So
00:31:17.880the baby boomers grew up in a very idyllic time when their mothers were at home taking care of0.99
00:31:23.380them. The schools were great. You had great public universities, okay? So they had to receive the
00:31:30.160best education. They had the best opportunities. And we're talking about like white middle-class
00:31:33.820Americans, right? Obviously, I'm talking about minorities. And then in the 80s, you had the
00:31:37.820Reagan revolution. The Reagan revolution was an opportunity for people with talent, with ability
00:31:43.580to make as much money as they wanted, okay? So you have this massive growth in wealth among the
00:31:50.840baby boomers. And then starting about the year in the 90s, under Clinton, you have the unipolar
00:31:55.540moment when american power extended overseas and baby boomers could go and vacation anywhere in the0.62
00:32:01.860world and feel privileged it felt it felt as though um the entire world became colonized by
00:32:08.640america and then you had this you had this breaking point in 2016 when donald trump came
00:32:15.180into power and um and then we saw america become much more authoritarian okay so the example of
00:32:22.840course, is COVID. And you and I both agree that the lockdowns were inappropriate. It shattered
00:32:29.340the mental health of young people who need to socialize. It destroyed staring at a screen for
00:32:39.060eight hours a day. It destroyed the economy, right? If you were poor, you became even more poor.
00:32:44.120But it benefited the baby boomers because, first of all, they had assets in the stock market and
00:32:50.200the start market boom at that time. Second of all, they were actually afraid of catching this
00:32:54.020disease. So that's why they were in favor of lockdown. And then you had the, you had October
00:33:01.7207th happen, and then you had these university protests happen, rightfully, because these young
00:33:06.940people were disgusted by what was happening in Gaza. And then you had this massive crackdown
00:33:11.660in the universities. And so what this is telling us is that the baby boomers are politically active,0.90
00:33:19.000And they're able to warp the American political system in a way that matches their worldview, that matches their political priorities.1.00
00:33:26.120And so the argument I would make is, yes, they will die off.0.61
00:33:29.280But before they die off, they will make sure that America becomes a much more authoritarian nation before they die off so that they can live peacefully in their gated communities.0.98
00:33:39.940And they can continue to be parasites on the American republic before they die off.0.99
00:33:44.640Right. And that's a prediction I would make.0.99
00:33:46.060And that's very worrying that this case.
00:33:49.000But given the past behavior, I mean, they are extremely selfish people who believe that the world should revolve around them.
00:33:58.720Yeah, listen, I mean, I can't really disagree with anything you said there.
00:34:02.720I thought that was all very interesting.
00:34:04.340About the point with the Chinese students coming to our elite universities and going back, I really just had not really considered the effect that that has on China.
00:34:13.260I mean, look, there's there's, you know, I guess I would just add that for people, especially because I know, you know, a lot of your audience, Nico, is like younger.
00:34:23.480And that's part of the reason why I like doing your show.
00:34:26.740But I don't know if you you know, if you weren't there, you haven't extensively read about it.
00:34:31.760it it's hard to overstate how much american culture really had dominated the world um leading
00:34:40.180up to the unipolar moment um which of course the collapse of the soviet union and for anybody uh
00:34:46.040if you if you want to go uh watch uh metallica played a concert in moscow right after uh the
00:34:53.880the dissolution of the soviet union and dude it's the craziest thing to watch there's like i mean
00:34:58.740there might be a million people in the crowd just losing their minds loving american heavy metal
00:35:04.240like it's just that they really did like there was this thing of like we love you for your blue
00:35:09.440jeans and your rock and roll music and people kind of wanted that they wanted to aspire to this like
00:35:14.100oh look how wealthy this country seems to be and it was really after the unipolar moment and then0.99
00:35:19.000after um oh did we lose a professor there he's back the ccp did not get him they didn't like0.97
00:35:26.340they didn't like that last part he's back sorry sorry sorry i i i i cut off sorry no no problem0.93
00:35:32.460but so essentially it was like all that goodwill got blown really in in the with george hw bush
00:35:39.540and bill clinton and then of course with george w bush where it all just really fell apart but
00:35:44.020you know i i mean to the selfishness of the baby boomers it and again there are exceptions to this
00:35:51.720my mom's cool and i like uh you know there are some baby boomers who i i like very much but0.98
00:35:57.980it is really hard to overstate how selfish of a generation they were now this is the generation
00:36:06.760that like literally their slogan was don't trust anyone over 30 until they turned 30 and then by
00:36:15.080by the time you get to covet my friend jeff dice like did a whole thing on this but by the time
00:36:18.600you get to covid yeah they supported the lockdowns because they were the ones at risk yeah shut down
00:36:22.700the kids which i just you know i gotta tell you someone who has little kids who hopes to have
00:36:26.720grandkids someday i cannot fathom being in my 60s or my 70s and ever thinking like to prevent some
00:36:35.820risk to me i would harm one hair on my grandchildren's head is just like it's it is profoundly
00:36:43.140And listen, they're the generation that normalized no-fault divorce and self-actualization and this idea that you could just like not take care of your kids or not stay with the woman you had children with for the rest of your life, that you don't have an obligation to like God to do that.
00:37:03.420It's really shocking when you think about it.
00:37:05.460And so, look, I don't disagree with you.0.97
00:37:08.080Um, of course, another big factor in there is that baby boomers have been in charge, not just, you know, the, the generation that supports these policies, but the actual politicians themselves for my entire life. Like, yes, it's so bizarre, man. Like, dude, Snego, I was, you know, the 1990s were 30 years ago. Right. And I was, I was a teenager in the 1990s.0.99
00:37:30.540and we had these politicians like um nancy pelosi and joe biden and bill clinton and hillary clinton
00:37:38.700and and like okay the clintons are out of power but she was trying to be president just within
00:37:43.280the last decade donald trump was a figure joe biden was like all these guys these mitch mcconnells
00:37:48.920and chuck schumers they were all the same guys they were all in there when i was younger than
00:37:54.880you. And I've got a lot of gray in my beard now, you know, like I'm a grown man. And the same
00:38:00.340people who were in charge when I was a teenager are still in charge. It's really, it's fascinating.
00:38:04.880That being said, I do think maybe what I would just, you're certainly right about the0.61
00:38:10.340concentration of wealth that's in the baby boomers. And perhaps my, you know, I guess if0.66
00:38:15.800in the game of making predictions, you want to really remove emotion from the table. And maybe
00:38:20.900this is just kind of wishful thinking on my part but i do think that there is the baby boomers on
00:38:26.960almost all of these positions are severely in the minority of the american people right now it's not
00:38:32.760quite the dynamic that it was when they controlled so much more of a share of the population and like
00:38:39.400even if you look at the issues that we're talking about where there's support for israel support for
00:38:42.760this war support for donald trump support for it they're like it's them on the wrong side of like
00:38:50.020a 70 30 issue and so you know i guess we'll we'll see where all of this goes the you know the the
00:39:00.500there is a very scary dynamic that's emerging which right is that you have a smaller and smaller
00:39:06.340group of elites who's or an elite you know uh generation who support the regime and then super
00:39:14.580majorities of people suffering from a lot of discontent and if you look at that model most
00:39:20.440nations that have that dynamic deal with problems and so certainly it's hard to argue that there's
00:39:27.920not the potential for major problems with this dynamic going forward oh god so sorry sorry go1.00
00:39:33.900ahead no no please no no no so just to show you how much damage the boomers can do before they0.99
00:39:40.520die off let's look at canada i'm actually even following situation in canada okay but but i will0.74
00:39:45.420list certain um events in canada so during the covert lockdowns if you if you thought that it
00:39:51.880was bad in america there's a hundred times worse in canada right you have to choke a protest these
00:39:57.200are guys who were concerned about the vaccine mandate as they should be and all they wanted
00:40:02.400was a conversation with jordan trudeau so they staged this peaceful protest in ottawa and they
00:40:10.240were debanked but not only were they debanked but if you support them in any way like you give a
00:40:15.420dollar to these guys you are debanked as well that was pretty authoritarian then after covid you have
00:40:21.400this massive influx of immigrants to canada that drove property prices like you know to to the sky
00:40:29.840that that made it impossible to find a job if you're a young person that made this cost of1.00
00:40:35.340living like sky high in the major cities.1.00
00:40:39.440And most of them were coming from India.
00:40:41.680You had millions of Indians coming to Canada,
00:40:46.280and this was causing a lot of discontent.
00:40:49.620And so you would think that, you know,
00:41:35.120He spent most of his time either in New York or London working for Goldman Sachs.
00:41:39.280And then the leadership race for the liberals was completely staged.
00:41:44.720And that election, you could argue, was rigged as well.
00:41:47.700And then when it comes to power, rather than try to win his majority for democracy by letting people vote, he is bribing opposition members to join his party.
00:42:01.940OK, so clearly Canada is moving towards a more authoritarian system.0.96
00:42:09.700And so this is the damage that baby boomers can do because you ask yourself, who is benefiting from all this, from immigration, from like, you know, sky high property prices, from an increased set of living?0.98
00:42:24.280And the answer is baby boomers. OK, so Canada could be America's future.1.00
00:42:29.200So I would say pay close attention to what Mark Carney is doing in Canada, because people complain that Donald Trump is a tyrant.
00:42:38.620Look at what's happening in Canada. And Mark Carney is fully supported by baby boomers.0.98
00:42:43.800Yeah, well, so I get your point there. And then what I've been sounding the alarm about, which I think, not that I'm the only one,1.00
00:42:51.640But that, you know, I'm at this point, like, I'm concerned about the authoritarianism coming out of the Trump administration. I'm very I'm very concerned about what the next step is going to be here, because I do think there's this one element about where we are in America today.
00:43:09.540and this is true, I guess, in Canada too, but I just know America better, is that really for the
00:43:15.760first time, perhaps in modern history, like governments, modern propaganda apparatuses have
00:43:24.260been broken. And so they don't really have the same, like they don't have the same controlled
00:43:29.880corporate media that they used to have. And this is what allows conversations like this to happen
00:43:35.400because they just weren't going to happen under the old controlled model.
00:43:38.800And so you have this dynamic where people are waking up to the corruption and to the lies of the propaganda.
00:43:46.540And at this point, Donald Trump is just snapping back at Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and Alex Jones and Candace Owens and all these people.
00:43:53.300But how long can they continue this? And does that require an authoritarian crackdown?
00:43:58.240But then the other angle, which I'm, you know, equally concerned about is that, you know, for whatever we rolled back, as I kind of alluded to earlier, for whatever we rolled back in the culture and in terms of political power of the woke leftist insanity that we've seen over the last 15 years, well, Donald Trump just found like the only way to hand political power right back over to that same group.
00:44:23.080And, you know, it was some of the stuff we maybe didn't do as much as Canada did. We weren't as viciously authoritarian during the COVID stuff. But we flirted with every bit of it. And really not just flirted with it, but like keep in mind, like Joe Biden passed an executive order essentially banning the unvaccinated from working nationwide.
00:44:46.880that any company with over 100 employees, I believe was the rule, had to fire all of their
00:44:53.320unvaccinated workers. Now, the Trump Supreme Court, which was still on the bench during Biden's years,0.88
00:44:59.900they struck that down as unconstitutional. But the president tried to do that, but a couple old
00:45:06.780Supreme Court justices die in five years later or earlier or whatever, and that gets through,
00:45:12.240and that is the law of the land in America. So Central Bank Digital Currency, they flirted with
00:45:16.840a lot and they really flirted um with the national vaccine passport the idea that like we were going
00:45:23.120to federally enforce a essentially a caste system in america um which so so like those guys coming
00:45:31.920in after being so punished by the voters i really worry that they'd be coming back in with a
00:45:37.640vengeance this time and that this time they would that this time you know if if we see president
00:45:42.400AOC or President Gavin Newsom, that they're going to understand that they can't just wait around to
00:45:48.360see if they get voted out or, you know, possibly publicly hung by the American people at some
00:45:53.580point. They got to be like, well, now's the time that we have to implement what I think for they
00:45:58.380always pretended that China had, which I've never exactly understood what the evidence for how real
00:46:03.000the Chinese social credit score system is like. I've heard people I've heard politicians allege
00:46:08.320that this is the grid that totally controls China. But then I've also just talked to lots
00:46:11.980of people who are like no i ran a business in china for 10 years and i don't even know what
00:46:15.380you're talking about and that's not a thing and so i i don't know what's real there i know the
00:46:19.660way they lied about the whole uyghur genocide numbers and that um um what was the guy adrian
00:46:26.160bends or whatever like just just didn't carry the one when he was supposed to and made all the
00:46:31.920numbers completely wrong but so i don't know what about that but i know that our democratic
00:46:36.320establishment politicians have openly flirted with the ideas of like carbon scores and you know like
00:46:42.920all this crazy stuff and so i look i i agree with you that the the biggest i agree that the biggest
00:46:49.220danger is that you find one of the because because the boomer generation in america and i could
00:46:55.160speak i know there's some people have made had like great quotes like this like but if if uh
00:47:00.180true authoritarianism ever comes to america it will come in the language of liberalism but like
00:47:05.580that is always the case right like for for the boomers it'll always have to be in the language0.90
00:47:10.060of liberalism because that's the only language they speak that's why they even have to call
00:47:14.020they everything is draped in libertarianism in america even though we're the biggest government
00:47:18.960in the world in all this debt and print all this money and bomb all these countries but even when
00:47:23.000they bomb when the war in iraq what was it called they called it operation iraqi freedom they call
00:47:28.780your income tax voluntary compliance that's what the irs calls you paying your taxes voluntary
00:47:35.640comply now if you don't voluntarily comply yes they will throw you in a cage but it's voluntary
00:47:40.220you see as well so like i'm just saying if you could find a narrative around climate change or
00:47:46.160around um around like hate speech or the rise of fascism in america that is quite possible you
00:47:53.120could get the boomers on board with some wildly tyrannical stuff well i completely agree sorry
00:47:59.780sorry sorry go ahead snickle i want to hear your response no so i completely agree about the0.78
00:48:05.240democrats um so i think that from the perspective of the democrats these liberal boomers the disease0.97
00:48:12.960the plague in america are conservative white men america must do all that it can to destroy0.98
00:48:19.360employ conservative white men because that is the ultimate threat to their way of life right and0.98
00:48:26.260that's why we had cancer culture and and that's why um if they get if they come back in office0.97
00:48:31.380they will target conservative white men uh with um you know dirty currency with with carbon tax0.67
00:48:40.100with more cancer culture with dei with more illegal immigration you can bet like like when0.97
00:48:46.020they come when they come to office that's what that's what they they will target you know it's
00:48:50.180what hillary clinton said the deplorables right who do we hate the most in the world0.55
00:48:54.260these conservative white men who are maga yeah no 100 sneaker what you you jump in because you
00:49:02.300yeah i just want to see what the solution i think you rightly pointed out how the boomer voting
00:49:07.840class which is still the majority voting block they keep voting for their own interests and
00:49:11.780they don't seem to care at all about future generations so what do we do in gen z and for
00:49:17.500gen alpha do we vote left in the midterms well i don't you know i i don't know you know when it
00:49:25.680comes to voting right like there's again voting is like a strategic thing that's that's what voting
00:49:31.860is about it's like it's you have this little bit of a tiny little shred of authority over one
00:49:38.720election and then nothing else that's just the hand you're dealt and so what's your strategy
00:49:43.200there now there are arguments all around i mean look there is an argument that we'd be better off
00:49:49.200if kamala harris was president today uh at this point that's not that tough of an argument and
00:49:54.320part at least for me of the best strongest argument that we'd be better off with kamala harris is just
00:50:00.160that the whole resistance would still be the resistance and you would you know the in a kind
00:50:06.560of i don't know uh maybe counterintuitive way sometimes the best thing if you're a right winger
00:50:12.240is for a democrat to be the president and sometimes the best thing if you're a left
00:50:15.920winger is for a republican to be the president because if they really blow it and they really
00:50:20.160mess up it gives all of the like cultural energy back to you and the the best case of that is like
00:50:27.360just look at from a cultural perspective the right lost everything through the first four years of
00:50:33.440of Donald Trump. If you remember, this was the rise of the craziest wokeism in America was all
00:50:39.180in Donald Trump's first term. And they only finally had some cultural victories when it was Joe Biden
00:50:44.780and he was in there. And then all of a sudden you started having things like the Bud Light boycott
00:50:49.940and the Target boycott. And I mean, Elon Musk bought Twitter in those years. Like there were
00:50:54.000a few major factors that happened. But anyway, look, I think there is an argument that the best
00:51:01.240thing right now is that the democrats win the midterm elections because the republicans just
00:51:05.200have to be punished for this like it's there there's got to be a message that like you do this
00:51:09.540there is a cost to it even if that means we have to give ourselves the democrats in congress but
00:51:14.800giving the giving ourselves the democrats in congress is a different thing than say like
00:51:18.200giving the democrats the white house and both chambers of congress where now they can go crazy
00:51:22.540with their agenda so like but i just kind of think the democrats are going to win anyway
00:51:27.480i don't really i'm not signing up to vote for no democrats you know what i mean like i just
00:51:31.580i i don't know if i'll ever put my name like if i'll ever vote for a major party candidate again
00:51:35.960unless like thomas massey or someone like that runs i just don't i'm too disgusted by the fact
00:51:40.180that i supported donald trump but i just don't want that filthy smell on me again um not that0.90
00:51:45.480i really can't voting is stupid but like it's just i don't know i don't want to i don't think0.96
00:51:49.960i'll be voting democrat but um i i would say that i think the democrats are going to win the midterm0.83
00:51:56.580elections that's gonna happen and so after that my thing is just if you're talking about on national
00:52:02.900politics level no one from this administration can be supported uh except joe kent if you want
00:52:09.420to throw some support to joe kent i got no problem with that but anybody else who's attached to this
00:52:13.580should just be that should be our absolute standard but there has to be like some type
00:52:17.780of line here no supporting jd vance no supporting marco rubio no supporting tulsi gabbard no
00:52:22.780supporting any of them for the rest of no supporting bobby kelly uh bobby kennedy uh
00:52:26.820there's just no sorry even if you're just at the health department resign in disgust i don't care
00:52:32.560you said you were the guy who was against the neocons and all their wars and stuff
00:52:36.040and specifically spoke out against what a nightmare war in iran would be get away from
00:52:40.660the i don't think that's too much for me to ask like your president starts lying you into war
00:52:45.420and committing war crimes get away and so i don't know maybe thomas massey will run maybe there'll
00:52:50.220be some some outsider candidate who we can't think of right now who would actually be something
00:52:54.580someone worth supporting but to me the bigger thing is like i i'm like look the baby boomers0.97
00:53:02.400whether it's slowly or or quicker are gonna die they're gonna age out i'm still gonna be alive0.96
00:53:09.160hopefully you you guys are still gonna be alive hopefully i got children who are very invested
00:53:13.740in still being alive after that and so my thing is just like what we can do in the meantime is
00:53:18.620wake up as many people as we can and really demonstrate that like we have the correct
00:53:23.300argument here and then the other thing i would say just very briefly because i'm sorry i'm
00:53:27.920rambling too much but that i do think one of the real dangers we have right now and this is part
00:53:34.220of the reason why you know i i like talking to guys like you i like talking to guys like nick
00:53:38.920fuentes i like talking to like a lot of these guys because and and i know to some degree there
00:53:44.360are some in the audience who will like almost think that this is kind of like hopeless naivete
00:53:48.920or or i'm a jew and i'm being subversive or something like that but it's like the the thing
00:53:55.600is this right the establishment in america that has just like destroyed this country let alone
00:54:00.480all the other countries that it's literally destroyed it as i said before it wears this
00:54:05.260liberal skin it wears this libertarian language everything is operation freedom and voluntary
00:54:11.420compliance and all these which is not our system it's the opposite of our system it's the system
00:54:16.400that we once had that built us all of the wealth to allow us to have this corrupt crazy system but
00:54:21.980like when when people especially young people are understandably reacting against this system
00:54:27.980which calls itself liberalism the natural tendency is to split into illiberalism and to go yeah we
00:54:35.840reject liberalism and that's why you see so i i believe that's why you see so many young kids on
00:54:40.800the left openly supporting communism socialism and why you see so many people on the right openly
00:54:46.240supporting fascism because it just becomes the knee-jerk reaction that like yo we screw this like
00:54:52.460we're against what you said you know we're what you say the worst thing in the world is but the
00:54:58.140truth is that there's just disaster behind both of those paths they've both been tried they've
00:55:03.400both led to absolute disaster i mean like real deal disasters and it might be like kind of like
00:55:10.720niche and and kind of like badass to be like no i'm the revisionist who says you know stalin was
00:55:17.720really cool or i'm the revisionist who says hitler was really cool and by the way that's not a shot
00:55:22.320at fuentes i don't even mean to say cool because he i get the point he's making when he says it
00:55:27.260i just mean like the people who are actually going like no these guys were actually great
00:55:30.840misunderstood leaders and they they were did really good by their people like no they didn't
00:55:35.580No, they did not. The people who lived under them suffered fates that you literally anyone in America is incapable of even wrapping their head around. And that's what that stuff brings. But we have this other option, a third way, if you will, ironically, where we could just remember what was really great about America. Like we don't have to turn to any of those things. We can just do the American model, which at its best is freedom.
00:56:02.280the bill of rights the declaration of independence like there there is no there are a lot of dynamics
00:56:07.580that prevent us from being there but there's nothing against the laws of physics that say
00:56:11.860we can't just at some point go hey the constitution is still the law of the land screw all of this
00:56:17.020we're enforcing it now and if we can get to a point where we wake up super majorities of the
00:56:22.700american people to believe in that then i think we got a fighting shot at maybe things being much
00:56:29.220better off than they are now so that's the strategy for me just keep saying this stuff
00:56:34.920and hoping to resonate with as many people as you can professor jang what do you think and
00:56:40.300we started off saying oh you were even apprehensive to come to america because
00:56:44.200you could have been a victim of some sort of political violence i think the temperature has
00:56:48.220been raised and we could still feel it since the assassination of charlie kirk what do we do i speak
00:56:54.260to so many people in gen z and when you bring up this subject they don't even want to say whether
00:56:58.200or not they're pro or anti-war in iran right now because they don't want to get fired from their
00:57:01.920job so it is important to wake up as many people but so many people understand the limitations of
00:57:06.900free speech even in a country where we pride ourselves in having that free speech so what
00:57:11.180does the youth do look i completely agree with dave i think first of all the best thing about
00:57:17.620america the thing that makes america great is the first amendment no other nation in the world has
00:57:21.660this and it must be protected at all costs um and so you have to support people who support the
00:57:27.640first amendment uh that's the first point second point is that you have to be right in that young
00:57:33.300people have been brainwashed too much in schools especially with this dei nonsense uh this liberal
00:57:40.060woke nonsense so um educating them you know which which which which which is what you're doing right
00:57:46.600now with your channel that's also very key um to you know make make sure that they have the
00:57:52.320intellectual capacity to make their own judgments uh that's point number two point number three is
00:57:57.420i am very very skeptical skeptical about the democrats and so let me tell you why in 2016
00:58:04.700when trump won i had tds and the reason why is that you know um i went to yale i sat at yale and
00:58:10.840so i have this very liberal mindset okay like you go to yale and you can't help but come out as a
00:58:15.080like this program liberal robot and so my instant reaction was this is all wrong uh trump is pure
00:58:22.120evil he's gonna be next hitler and so we need to do whatever is possible to get rid of this guy0.66
00:58:27.220And so I'm not American. I'm a Canadian citizen. But I follow the 2020 Democratic primaries very, very closely. And I became convinced that Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg, these are all just program MKUltra people like, you know, they're useless.
00:58:45.280So the only viable candidate, in my opinion, was Bernie Sanders.
00:58:49.320And at this point, OK, we're talking like spring 2020, no one thought Joe Biden had a chance of like winning the Democratic primary and beating Trump in November.
00:58:58.980So I sort of like, you know, forgot about Biden and I focused on Bernie Sanders.
00:59:03.360And, you know, when he won Nevada, there's a real hope and real energy that this guy would win the Democratic primary.
00:59:09.980And if he did so, then he would have certainly beaten Trump in November.
00:59:12.980But then, of course, what happened was Super Tuesday. And then Obama and his people came out full in support of Biden.
00:59:21.260And I was like, what is this crap? This is this is the second time this has happened to Bernie Sanders.0.99
00:59:26.340OK, because in 2016, he was railroaded by the Democratic Party and it was basically stolen from him and given to Hillary Clinton.
00:59:34.560regardless of what you have to say about trump he did win democratically in 2016 in the republican
00:59:41.220primary okay the republicans ran a democracy whereas the democrats did not and then and then
00:59:48.340in 2020 it was rigged as well in 2024 there was even not there was not even a primary so i'd be
00:59:52.860very suspicious of the democrats because if you go to schools like yale if you go to schools like
00:59:58.960harvard it's clear like they graduate ask ass kissers right they graduate people who do anything0.98
01:00:06.500to suck up to authority um these are people who believe that the ends justify the means0.98
01:00:11.960these are people who actually know moral conviction at all so um yes i understand that the democrats
01:00:18.880will probably win the midterms and i understand that the republicans donald trump they need to
01:00:23.740be taught a lesson but i would be very wary of the democrats yeah can i that's that's a great point
01:00:29.580and that's that's almost why i was saying like what i would hope would almost be like some outsider
01:00:33.340republican not attached to this administration you know prevails because we really don't want
01:00:37.740to give control back and just like a couple more things on that because even as as you said it it
01:00:42.060wasn't just when the obamas came out after super tuesday what they did was they orchestrated the
01:00:46.700whole thing including those mk robots you're talking about so they had buddha judge kamala
01:00:51.020Harris and Amy Klobuchar all drop out and endorse uh Joe Biden and then Elizabeth Warren stayed in
01:00:57.860to the bitter end splitting leftist votes with Bernie Sanders like they completely they look we
01:01:02.780who knows what they did the only reason we know about how much they rigged the 2016 election
01:01:06.920was because the greatest journalist in modern history Julian Assange leaked the Podesta uh
01:01:12.400emails and we saw the emails with the DNC we got a DNC hack and a Podesta or not hack I think leak
01:01:18.180actually is what happened but we got the emails of the dnc and we got the the emails so we found
01:01:23.860out that donna brazil was given hillary clinton the questions before the debate and we found out
01:01:28.180that the dnc was colluding on how to smear bernie sanders with this group or this group when they're
01:01:32.780supposed to be a neutral organization and so but who knows we never got an email dump on 2020 i'm
01:01:38.560sure they were doing all types of dirty stuff like that too but even just what we have in broad
01:01:42.320daylight they rigged the thing against him but so one of the the huge dynamics in america that's
01:01:47.600going on right now because even bernie sanders right bernie sanders himself is a fraud and
01:01:51.440himself is all an op it's you know look bernie sanders at least in effect what he did every
01:01:58.720single time was rally up a bunch of young leftists and then do his best to funnel them into the
01:02:03.180clinton campaign or the biden campaign that's that's literally the function that he served
01:02:07.160but what happens in that dynamic this is what's happening with trump right now is then that huge
01:02:12.360base of people is still there for the taking like no one's speaking to them now you know but like
01:02:18.280someone else could come along and talk to them but also you know just on your your point about
01:02:22.660the fear of the democrats which we also in this moment cannot forget because it's very easy to
01:02:27.900get sucked up with the newest thing which is donald trump lying us into a disastrous war and
01:02:32.320this war is a catastrophe already so we have to be talking about that but like it is hard to
01:02:38.040overstate how much within the realm of american government right like what we do how much of an
01:02:46.000escalation in authoritarian behavior the democrats played not just in the dnc rigging these elections
01:02:51.300against uh bernie sanders but in a much more profound way the way they absolutely rigged the
01:02:56.120system against donald trump for both the uh the i mean we listen obviously jfk happened in america
01:03:03.980Richard Nixon was also framed. Like presidents have been brought down by the deep state before.
01:03:08.720But for there to just be a CIA op that is to frame the sitting president of the United States of
01:03:16.240America for the crime of treason, totally made up, fabricated an absolute deep state op. I mean,
01:03:22.660it started as Hillary Clinton opposition research, but that's not really the story. The story is that
01:03:27.220the deep state ran with that and prosecuted the candidate, the leading candidate, and then the
01:03:31.980sitting president of the United States of America for three years. They framed him for being a
01:03:36.940Russian spy before they had to admit they had nothing on him. And then, of course, in the 2020
01:03:40.800election, I mean, I don't believe any of the theories with the voting machines. I've never
01:03:45.340been convinced of any of that. But the freaking the Biden laptop thing was an absolute. They stole
01:03:51.220the election. I mean, like they literally took an issue that would have at least swung a few points
01:03:56.040to Donald Trump in a razor thin election and just stole the thing from him. Put this letter out with
01:04:01.64050 intelligence officers saying this was a russian op again after prime in the country for three
01:04:07.280years to believe that and that is that is a you know i don't know i read a lot about the history
01:04:14.300of american politics and i've lived in america my entire life and i know we do a lot of stuff
01:04:19.060but that really was kind of unique in scale and kind this was like a different level of like no
01:04:25.580we are exerting total control and this came right on the heels of the obama administration
01:04:30.180which had essentially the obama doctrine was what really made the imperial presidency0.93
01:04:37.120naked for the world i obama the obama doctrine the george bush doctrine was we will kill the0.75
01:04:46.760terrorists and all the nations who harbor the terrorists and he got to define who are the0.97
01:04:52.520nations who harbored what terrorists and he could just lie and make it up the obama doctrine was
01:04:57.340the president the war is everywhere the global war on terrorism is everywhere and i can touch
01:05:03.880anywhere in any country anytime i want and i don't even need to pretend to get an authorization of
01:05:08.700use of military force from congress that was the obama doctrine so bush went to congress for both
01:05:14.040iraq and afghanistan say whatever you will about him obama never even bothered never even bothered
01:05:20.520And like that stuff, these are major groundbreaking precedents. They should not be, you know, in today's world where there's so much news every single day, it's easy to forget, you know, the bigger picture. But this is, yes, we should never, under any situation, support giving control of the three-letter agencies and the executive branch back to the Democratic establishment.
01:05:42.000another point i'm sorry sorry sorry sorry another point i will make is that in trump's first term
01:05:49.560you had a massive collusion between the mainstream press new york times cnn and the deep state
01:05:55.460they became stenographers for the three agency agency um three letter agencies and that was
01:05:59.760surprising and i i think very worrying as well sorry sorry sorry go that's single no no i want
01:06:05.600you to finish your point i'm not trying to this is a good back and forth no no that was my point
01:06:11.240You now have this massive collusion between the deep state and the media.
01:06:15.760And this is, you know, is a direct threat to American democracy.
01:06:20.360I was going to point out on your point why I support outsiders like Dan Bilzerian.
01:06:24.960You have Brian McGinnis, the veteran who stood up and got his arm broken by the senator.
01:06:30.080You also have people like James Fishback running in Florida.
01:06:32.860I think Mom Donnie is doing a great job in New York City.
01:06:35.360I think it's important to not just have complete allegiance to one party.
01:06:39.960I think that's it's going to trap people. These isms are always subverted by different federal agencies. So it's better to just vote in somebody who you fully believe in, but also to never trust somebody completely blindly again, because, again, I was a Trump supporter in 2016 when he was going to drain the swamp and when he was against the globalism and against all the super PAC money. And he completely switched up. And I agree with Dave. I'm disgusted by that.0.94
01:07:06.400So, well, you know, it's interesting just that you bring that up because, you know, it is the whole the whole story of Donald Trump from 2016 to being here in this around war is a really fascinating story.
01:07:19.140And, you know, just even as you said, if you remember the original 2016, I think for a lot of people like around your age, Nico, this was like a real like the coming of age moment was the 2016 Donald Trump presidential campaign that shook up the world and changed everything.
01:07:33.500And a big, huge part of his appeal was Donald Trump's initial message.
01:07:40.340People forget all that build the wall and all this stuff that just never happened that people just forget about.
01:07:44.580But one of his big things was I'm not taking money from anyone.
01:07:48.140This was a incredibly popular message with the American people who had never heard this message from a presidential candidate ever.
01:07:55.400because the early presumably yes okay but this was happening at the same time as bernie so i guess
01:08:01.660they were both saying it at the same time but in general even bernie was going i'm raising a whole
01:08:07.780bernie would say most of my donations come in 37 or whatever you know but he wasn't exactly saying
01:08:15.180what donald trump goes anyone who's really going to possibly win to be president has to take all
01:08:21.080of the dirty money and I'm not taking a cent of it because I'm a billionaire. I don't have to take
01:08:25.640any of their money. So you know what? I can come here and tell everyone whatever I want to. It
01:08:30.320doesn't matter. There was like this freedom with it. And I don't know, this is a real forgotten
01:08:33.780chapter in history, but I always remember this because it was the first time I took Donald Trump
01:08:38.220politically serious. I was like, oh, I have to treat this like this is a serious thing because
01:08:43.060he was doing really good. He was ranting and raving. He was winning in the polls,
01:08:46.980but it just was kind of like, eh, he's a showman. Um, so anyway, he made a comment.
01:08:51.760Someone asked him about Israel, Palestine and where he stood on that issue. And this is just
01:08:56.800Donald Trump in 2016, letting it rip. Like he, I don't know, he's making it up on the spot.
01:09:01.080Like he always does. So Donald Trump, he does the thing Donald Trump does where, you know,
01:09:04.740when he pauses, when they ask him a question and you can tell he's thinking right there.
01:09:08.480And then like what, like he doesn't have his answer ready for this. He's going,
01:09:11.240I'll tell you this. And like almost anything could come out. And he goes, cause he's Donald
01:09:16.000Trump, he goes, I think we should be neutral. We should just be neutral with Israel and Palestine.0.90
01:09:20.800Now, as you guys know, saying America should be neutral with Israel and Palestine is like to0.99
01:09:27.360the Israel lobby, you might as well say we should start eating Jewish babies. Like you are a monster1.00
01:09:33.980caricature of Adolf Hitler. If you would dare think that we don't have unconditional support0.98
01:09:37.840for Israel and we're always on their side. And so he got the lobby totally turned on Donald Trump.
01:09:43.140They were furious with him. And if you can remember at this time, Donald Trump was saying
01:09:47.940things like he was going, you can't vote for Rubio because he'll be a puppet of Sheldon Adelson.
01:09:54.900Like whether he knew it or not, he was publicly going, he'll be a tool of the lobby if you vote
01:10:00.260for him. And then, so in the midst of this controversy, which may have squashed Donald
01:10:06.080Trump, if he had not handled it, he goes and gives a speech at AIPAC. And I remember being like,
01:10:12.620whoa what's gonna happen here and donald trump goes up on stage and the first thing he says or
01:10:18.380damn near first thing he says is he goes i'm gonna make great deals nobody else makes great deals
01:10:24.540like me and the worst deal ever made was the jcpoa obama's around deal and they they are standing0.99
01:10:34.300ovation for him now and i remember in that moment being like oh dude not only can this guy work up
01:10:40.140the plebs but like he can tangle and grapple with the israel lobby like he's a legit political
01:10:48.000threat like he might win and anyway just like that's the that's the story of how they first
01:10:54.480got him in was that he went oh i know this will be the thing i say that gets the lakudniks in
01:11:01.300the lobby off my back this will be the thing i'll promise him and i don't know exactly where along
01:11:07.000line, he decided to also take the Adelson money and also be everything he claimed Marco Rubio
01:11:11.140was going to be. And also publicly tell us that he's that. Just tell us that they gave him the
01:11:15.220money and they demand this and this is what I do. But it is crazy that from that pledge to here,
01:11:20.100that was how the whole thing initially started. And none of this happens, none of this, if he
01:11:26.540didn't tear up the JCPOA. That was the first step to this whole conflict or the last step to this
01:11:33.500conflict i guess there's been several i want to see uh is there any final thoughts or any anything
01:11:41.020you that uh the guests on the panel would like to ask each other or some concluding message that we
01:11:46.460can wrap this up with i'll start with professor jang yeah no i mean this has been a great
01:11:53.080conversation like i love talking to dave you know i i think we think alike on many many issues um
01:11:59.300And I think it's very important to have these conversations to show how different people of different political allegiances can align on certain political topics.
01:12:09.980And I have to emphasize, you know, the best thing about America, because we don't have it in Canada or China or anywhere else in the world, is the First Amendment.
01:12:17.680So whichever politician, whoever says that, you know, we have to protect the First Amendment, I think we should all support.
01:12:25.620Absolutely. Yeah, it's great. A great point, man.
01:12:27.700And like for as for as bad as so many things are, then you certainly don't want to downplay any of of it because we're in a dangerous spot right now as as a country.
01:12:38.220But we really do still have this ability to a large extent.
01:12:42.860And even some of the censorship from just the last few years has tremendously been rolled back or made much less effective than it was.
01:12:52.760and you know it's it's just we we still do you know the president can be out there
01:12:58.720trashing Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and Alex Jones and Candace Owens and everything but like
01:13:03.860they still have the ability to snap back at him the next day on their podcast and you know like
01:13:09.200as long as we have that we really should focus on preserving it because we've lost so much else
01:13:15.860and you know that is really that when you lose that as the professor says there's really no
01:13:22.740getting it back the this is it's kind of an unprecedented thing that we have this enshrined
01:13:28.280as the very first um amendment to the constitution and the you know there's really never been
01:13:35.000anything quite like it before and there isn't another example of it in the world today and so
01:13:40.300the idea that you think you lose that you know the odds of you getting it back are slim to none
01:13:44.760so that is i completely agree with that whoever's on the side of free speech here always is the good
01:13:50.580guy in, in my book and whoever's opposing it is the bad guy. Like by definition, that's the people
01:13:57.220who are, and I even, uh, you know, include like the people like whining about platforming and
01:14:02.640stuff like that in there too. Like, I don't know. It's just, it's a, there's a crazy discrepancy.
01:14:08.240You could almost divide the American, like, um, commentating podcasting streaming class or
01:14:13.840whatever into two distinct categories. There is one category is like, you know, the people who
01:14:20.400will be like joe rogan had daryl cooper on his show and why would he do he had daryl cooper and
01:14:25.980then he had whoever you know and then oh my gosh he had this guy who was saying this horrible thing
01:14:30.520and oh my god he had tucker carlson on his show and then tucker carlson talked to nick fuentes
01:14:34.940you know whatever it's like and then there's the people like us who like it would never even dawn
01:14:42.040on us to have that attitude you know what i mean like it's never like if you just think about it
01:14:46.460from the opposite perspective right like joe rogan has had on like douglas murray and ben shapiro and
01:14:52.880all these guys who used to go on joe rogan show are like why are you having dave smith on oh my
01:14:56.880god it joe rogan has on so many people whose views i completely disagree with and it just would never
01:15:04.000even dawn on me to go why is joe having this guy on like yeah just have him on i don't know have
01:15:11.460everybody on what's the problem here like anybody who's not on the side of just like dude we got to
01:15:16.700bring the temperature down here we got to find solutions to these problems we got to be allowed
01:15:20.500to talk this through if we can't do that then we have no chance i think it's more important than
01:15:25.660ever i mean literally three years ago i think that that was a an act of political violence
01:15:31.200we saw that ramp up especially after charlie kirk during this conversation i'm looking at my hands
01:15:35.620it's like i have yeah you literally i literally just now went through it like there's blood on
01:15:39.820my fingers from and on my knuckles here from something that happened literally three hours
01:15:44.200ago more people in gen z are afraid to have these conversations because they know the outcome so
01:15:50.340it's more important than ever to support these conversations and i look forward to having more
01:15:54.800panels and reaching out to more people having this sort of dialogue and let's encourage this more
01:15:59.320because although we do have these rights they're trying everything they can to to stop us from
01:16:03.500using them oh and can i just say and i apologize to the professor who's i really have enjoyed this
01:16:09.320conversation and uh you're clearly a incredibly intelligent guy um so i apologize for dragging1.00
01:16:14.980this down to the gutter for a second but i just gotta say while i'm on here what a fucking pussy1.00
01:16:19.320bitch move man like what type of man how do you like go home and look in the mirror like you1.00
01:16:24.560shouldn't you should be you should have to sit down to pee for the rest of your life like just1.00
01:16:28.800swinging a random sucker punch at a guy looking at his phone i i don't know like maybe it's my age
01:16:34.720or like the way i grew up man but where i grew up in the 80s in brooklyn and stuff there were a lot
01:16:39.300of fistfights but there was like there was a code of honor to some degree that i don't know what is
01:16:45.220going on in this country where it's like you wouldn't just i feel like your friends would
01:16:50.660beat you up if you did something like that just randomly sucker attack like if you wanted to go0.98
01:16:55.700up and he goes oh you're sneaker i fucking hate you and like challenge you to a fight or something1.00
01:17:00.020or say something and then start a fight with you that's one thing but what a just weak pathetic0.99
01:17:05.140move man i got maced like that he maced me right afterwards as soon as i got up he stood up and i0.96
01:17:09.860got pepper sprayed all over my eyes and i don't think it was a woman's weapon it's a weapon for
01:17:15.300women i don't think it was a random guy not men do not fight with mace what is wrong with you young0.65
01:17:19.900men i'm sorry i've never felt like more of a father but like you know that's insane i think
01:17:25.000if it was something if it was a personal grievance he had i think he would have said it there
01:17:28.420that's usually what happens when people are angry i think somebody paid him to do that so i wouldn't
01:17:32.880even say that that's you know he's responsible completely for that but thank you so much for
01:17:37.440coming on professor jang and you encouraged me to have these panels i am going to asia tomorrow so
01:17:42.880uh but i will be back soon and maybe we can have more of these conversation where these panels
01:17:47.000open invitation to people watching this and i'm coming to your continent uh tomorrow okay man
01:17:53.520thanks so much guys god bless everybody and i appreciate you having this conversation
01:17:57.600absolutely thanks to both of you really enjoyed it bye great bye