SNEAKO - December 28, 2022ATTRACTIVE WOMAN DEFENDS MANOSPHERE？!
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss a recent BuzzFeed article that argues that more men are starting to embrace masculinity, and why this is a good thing. We also talk about the Fresh and Fit Podcast and Andrew Tate's return to social media.
Transcript
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I gotta redo the intro. I gotta redo the intro.
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Let's talk about... You see, I just did that for the clip,
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actually finally are starting to embrace masculinity. Specifically, we're going to be
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going through this BuzzFeed article together. It's not exactly- Don't call her a succubus yet. Look,
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she's debunking the BuzzFeed article. I read this on stream back in Bucharest in the Tate House.
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Don't call her a succubus. She could be on our side. I knew it was posted in September of this
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year, but I actually only just found out about it. It's titled, My Brother is So Far Gone,
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How Male Influencers Turned the Men in These People's Lives Toxic. Essentially, this article
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breaks down some personal stories from readers about how people in their lives whether it be
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boyfriends ex-boyfriends elbows feet a brother or a father in one case have now become she's bad but
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she do look at the lilies like these disgusting misogynists after they started listening to
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i guess you could call them manosphere influencers people like andrew tate or the fresh and fit pod
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I've done a couple of different videos now about Andrew Tate,
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talking about how I don't think he is the boogeyman
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that a lot of media outlets have painted him to be.
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But at the same time, he does say things that I don't agree with.
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I'm actually getting a lot more of his takes than I had previously.
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And he's been on this weird pro-polygamy tirade lately.
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And it's just like, no, I'm not on board with that.
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But I do think he does say a lot of positive things to men at the same time.
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Things about pushing yourself to succeed and work harder and reach your goals.
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I think that is something that a lot of men need to hear nowadays because I think far too many young people, and yeah, especially men, have fallen into this nihilism that's just not good for us.
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And then, like I said, the Fresh and Fit podcast, those two guys, they're also mentioned quite a bit.
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In this article, but to be honest with you, I'm really not familiar with them.
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the most I know about them is that they got into some controversy, I think, because
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they were allegedly launching false copyright claims against critics. I'm not fully caught
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up with that situation, correct me? Yeah, that was, uh, yeah. I mean, if I'm wrong about it,
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but based on what I was hearing, it seemed like that was the issue. And frankly, the little that
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I have heard from the Fresh and Fit podcast, I've not been a fan because it seems like they are
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pushing and encouraging hookup culture, which I am not for, whether you are a man or a woman,
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She seems like a woman of God, even with her cumbrellas.
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For building families, I don't think it's good for long-term relationships.
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And actually, the same could be said for Andrew Tate.
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I know he's very critical of women who have slept around,
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but it doesn't seem like he's doing very much to discourage men
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from interacting with those women or from partaking.
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In that same, I think, toxic hookup culture themselves.
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In any case, though, my objections to these Manosphere influencers
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are clearly very different from the objections that this BuzzFeed writer has.
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referring to the likes of Tate and the Fresh and Fit Guys,
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said Dr. Lisa Seguera, author of The Incel Rebellion,
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I guarantee you she's ugly and fat and probably 40.
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yeah i told you like there's no beautiful women who's writing about the incel rebellion cope
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old like just get some get a glass of wine and some cat food and shut up you don't get
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dick fear and the virtual war against women and a professor who studies the crossover between
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gender and cybercrime but of course the contradiction is that it's very much part
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of the mainstream and validating the usual tropes about gender and violence against
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women segura told buzzfeed news and then of course the article tries to paint andrew tate as being
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complicit in violence against women because of that tweet he posted years ago you know that
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whole thing where apparently tate said that rape victims bear responsibility for what happens to
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them i keep seeing people mention that he said that but i have yet to see the tweets or tweet
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in context for myself and frankly until i until i do i'm just not willing to take these people
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at their word okay you don't park your lamborghini in the hood you know i mean like
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and the, oh no, well, you parked it in the hood.
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But I feel like this represents how in our society
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yeah, I disagree with you, but I don't think you're a murderer.
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Like, this article essentially goes straight to
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these men are encouraging violence against women,
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What makes this particular strain of content creation so insidious
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On the surface, there's that appreciation of genuine problems
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But these communities are not about support, Sagara said.
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They are more concerned with creating this common enemy
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Instead, they're taught to self-loathe, hate women, and blame women in broader society for it.
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Now, this part of the article, I don't mean to sound rude, but frankly, it does piss me off, right?
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Because here we have this BuzzFeed writer and this feminist academic who honestly probably only ever talk about men if it's to blame them for some problem.
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Facts, at least you know. See, look. She's a seven. She makes sense.
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Dr. S-blah-blah-blah is a three, and she's coping.
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But yet, when it comes to the few influencers or communities out there who are actually trying to be pro-man and improve the lives of men and help them make their lives better, they feel the need to attack them and accuse those influencers of encouraging self-loathing amongst men.
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It's like, I'm sorry, is Andrew Tate the one who's going on about male privilege or white privilege?
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There's no male privilege and there's barely white privilege. Like, it's so exaggerated.
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Like that all men are complicit in rape culture? No, I don't think so. That's your movement. That is progressiveness.
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Obviously, the likes of BuzzFeed and academia aren't going to be fans of Andrew Tate because
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he does criticize progressivism and feminism, but it's like, don't pretend that the reason
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why you don't like the manosphere is because it's not helping men or it's encouraging self-loathing
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And now this next part of the article, this is where things get really interesting.
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Someone that shouts a dog, a lot of baddies make no sense.
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Because we hear these personal testimonials from women out there who've actually had men
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their lives i guess turned toxic by the likes of andrew tate we're gonna be going through those
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stories but first i do want to say a big thank you to today's sponsor succubus in the chat keto
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as early respectful do that and support these videos the first testimonial we have is from
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someone named kennedy ezra who is 26 and from minneapolis she writes my brother is 20 years
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old we were raised to be kind and nice people and chat this is about you this is you generally
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respectful last year he started to send me clips of kevin samuels saying things like finally someone
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who gets it he would make insinuations about needing to change the way he was because he was
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a beta he began to say things like women need to be reminded of their place or black women need to
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go back to being homemakers and supporting their black kings but one of the most startling behavior
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changes i've noticed was he began becoming more violent towards women he began sharing posts on
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facebook about how it's okay to beat women if they step out of line or how women bro let's not become
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more violent those are memes are not being high value okay i'm gonna i'm gonna stop myself right
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here and call bs on this story like stop the cat your brother was actually going around advocating
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for beating women i feel like you would probably lead with that and also not in the same sentence
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complain that he's referring to things like high value women like these do you see why these are
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completely different problems like even if you don't like the fact that your brother is referring
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to some women as high value and therefore others not how on earth could you even group that in
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the same sentence as literally advocating hitting women i just i don't believe it that's why i think
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I think this woman is probably making things up
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with advocacy in government and general community education,
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watching somebody you love fall down this pipeline,
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I think the most hurtful thing I've heard him say
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that you and your brother no longer see eye to eye
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is that her brother shared an Andrew Tate video
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women should embrace being feminine or homemakers
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and the sister has just kind of run off the deep end.
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for men to be openly violent toward marginalized people
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Clearly, you just need to cut him out of your life, sis.
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I mean, we all know that a change.org petition to get Andrew Tate back on Instagram, that's
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pretty much just punching a woman in the face, right?
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Yesterday, I had Leia Heilpern on and she calls herself a traditional woman and everything.
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And she's like, I wish I was born in the 50s where a man could slap me in the face.
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there's a a giant contingent of beautiful traditional women who believe in god that
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with you know just a little slap just a little slap just a sean connery uh james bond little
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slap just just when she's making no sense just you know the lasagna was overcooked ah
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tuna casserole boom you know you know not me i would never do that because i don't want to go
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to jail and lose my rumble account or whatever the fuck i have left also i think there's better
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ways to get through to women but when they talk about make america great again that's when america
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was great and ironically she closes by saying i think he's found an echo chamber that shares
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what he believes and shares his thoughts and it's pretty much solidified how he views women
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She complains about her brother's echo chamber while writing into BuzzFeed.
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Now, if you ask me, you can't expect anyone to try to understand your views or take them seriously when you've made absolutely no effort to do the same for them.
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And while it doesn't seem like this sister has done that, at the very least, this next person, it seems like, did make an effort to try and understand where the manosphere is coming from.
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And she writes, my ex-boyfriend became increasingly possessive and would tell me I could not take a girl's trip anywhere like Miami or Vegas.
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When he was writing about me going to a nightclub, he would say that I could dance at family gatherings instead.
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we're just one sentence into this letter but still i feel like i need to comment here i'm
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not sure if this counts as being possessive like if you don't want your girlfriend going to miami
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or vegas or to a nightclub because you think she's gonna cheat recess is such a weasel you
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want to reap all the clout benefits of yay 24 without taking any of the backlash bro i've got
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so much backlash you fucking you're a weasel i'm here streaming on christmas because of working on
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824 i'm not with my family right now that is backlash what's bigger backlash than that you
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want the positives and other negatives idk why nick is wasting his time with you bro then get
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out of my stream you just gave me a dollar to suck my dick you fucking idiot they've written
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articles about me calling me racist and now people in my personal life do not want to talk to me you
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you're a fucking idiot genuinely it's christmas man happy birthday jesus but the reason i'm here
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This guy just gave me a dollar to fucking suck my dick
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you're fucking whatever bro you don't you then yeah that's being possessive and i think it's
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sparticle called me freako they're calling me freako yo chat again chat again i want to see
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this why watch this video deeper relationship issues if you don't trust the person you're
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seeing i mean if you don't want your girlfriend going to a nightclub because she's pretty likely
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to be harassed at one just because that's the environment that nightclubs breed everyone is
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just rubbing up against each other i don't think that's being possessive i think that's just caring
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about your girlfriend and preferring that maybe she be in healthier safer environments and really
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that also goes for I guess the entire city of Las Vegas as well and if you're a woman and hearing
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that from me another woman offends you then I think maybe it's a good idea to ask yourself
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why going to a nightclub is so important is it really just to spend time with your friends and
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dance because no it's to get male attention shaking your ass in public there's nothing wrong
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with that but there's also many other places like this boyfriend said that you could do this aside
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from a nightclub and if at the root of your desire to go to a nightclub or Las Vegas with your
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girlfriends is to maybe get male attention from someone other than your boyfriend, well then
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your relationship has issues and maybe your boyfriend is right not to trust you in that
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case. But whatever, moving on. This woman writes, we had arguments over his consumption of these
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content creators because it was so concerning and he was repeating so much of their messaging,
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like women should be feminine, fit, friendly, cooperative, and submissive. And toxic femininity
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is women who are entitled to things just because they are women and feminism has taught women to
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hate men. I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of those statements, but clearly they are
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against modern day feminism. There's a difference that these women don't understand between not
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being a feminist versus being a toxic man they're not the same thing she writes he would laugh and
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repeat kevin samuels catchphrase danger zone which refers to women who are approaching an age 27 to
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35 where they are no longer the wall longer desirable according to samuels not what your
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girlfriend who falls into that age range wants to hear it was an incredibly upsetting experience it
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was like he turned on me kevin samuels and fresh and fit are sometimes hour-long shows he would
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play them all the way through and eventually it was daily i am a feminist but in the hopes of
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trying to be open-minded and maybe salvage my relationship i watch a lot of this crap in his
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company and on my own to try and find value, to understand it and him, and honestly, it messed
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with my head at times. Okay, so props seriously for this girlfriend for at least trying to listen
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to this content in order to understand what her boyfriend saw in it, but she could have gone even
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further and, you know, just asked him directly what he liked about it in addition to consuming
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it herself. She writes, we broke up one year ago, and when I began on the dating apps again,
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I noticed an increase of men regurgitating messaging from these creators, including things
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in profiles like seeking a feminine woman, I am a high-value man, etc., because I was so familiar
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with these sorts of red pill vibes, it was an immediate swipe left. I would also ask men on
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Don't say that shit. If you put Tinder, you're a high-value man in your Tinder, you're cringe.
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Their thoughts on these people because it's so awful. My new partner refers to fresh and fit
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as those jackasses and we are very happy together. So I'm sorry that this woman's
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relationship didn't work out, but I honestly don't understand what was so toxic about this
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boyfriend because let's not forget that is the title of this article, how these influencers
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turned men in these women's lives toxic. As far as I can tell, the worst thing this guy ever did
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was poke fun at women who are getting older and maybe aren't as desirable as they were when they
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younger and as someone who is also in the danger zone like i get why you might not like that if
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your boyfriend is saying these things and you're that age and you guys aren't married doesn't make
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it any less true but i understand being hurt by it but i mean really if the most concerning thing
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your boyfriend has said is that women should be feminine fit friendly cooperative and submissive
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or that feminism has taught women to hate men then it kind of seems like you might be the
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political radical in this situation not your boyfriend and there are several more of these
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stories in this article but let's just go through at least one more together i'm waiting for it to
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not make any sense because of the cum brothers from kamala 23 in the uk she writes i met my
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boyfriend at university and we've been dating for just under a year i was really attracted to his
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work ethic he's very determined and i feel like he's influenced me in a lot of ways as well he
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always supported me on big things like helping me get a job and he's loyal which i really like but
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he did have several traits that andrew tate seemed to exhibit when i first met him but not to the
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extent of now it's gotten much worse he's always viewed the world as a contest a survival of the
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fittest kind of that's how all men see the world but because everyone's more aware of mental health
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and they're very accommodating nowadays he has a different point of view when andrew tate started
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of saying things like how it doesn't matter how upset you are he got really excited and he's like
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this man is speaking the truth no one else speaks like this Andrew Tate is his idol basically he
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has started making ruder and more worrying jokes that are misogynistic and sexually demanding without
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apology oh no jokes the horror he doesn't comment on whether the jokes are funny or not which I feel
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like should be relevant to whether uh you appreciate a joke but I'm guessing she's not
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laughing in any case she says some of his remarks have been disturbing and now it's for me to rethink
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our relationship based on my future long-term goals I think maybe if he actually started
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treating me how Andrew Tate says he would treat his women like not letting me out clubbing not
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letting me have male friends, controlling my style, things like that. But he doesn't do any
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of that yet. It's just the rude rhetoric. I've confronted him about it several times and it's
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got to a really bad point, but he just stopped watching it around me or mentioning it to me.
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He's so influenced by this man, no one can say anything against him. I think it's kind of scary
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how for some women, feminism and progressivism, it's such, it's such a religion. It's such a cult
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that, you know, a man merely making the wrong joke that goes against their cult is enough to
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encourage them to write it. No, seriously, woke is the new religion. None of the woke people
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believe in god they believe in the lgbt flag to buzzfeed about how they've become toxic i mean to
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this woman's own admission the way that her boyfriend treats her isn't wrong it isn't sexist
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she's still with him she says that she would break up with him if he ever did anything like that but
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like i said it's really it's these women who are so radical in their progressivism that they can't
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stand they can't tolerate any deviation from what they think the perfect male feminist should be
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which is also kind of ironic because they're dating these men in the first place i mean we
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have to ask ourselves if these men were typical male feminists would these women even be interested
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in no they wouldn't liberal men are unattractive this is what they look like genuinely like
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no woman wants to be with a guy that looks like this like they leah was on here yesterday she
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said that they all look like pedophiles nobody like just dump them dump the woke girl dump the
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woke guy bye you don't want to be with them you don't you want to complain and you want some sense
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to be not slapped but you want some sense to be spoken back into you but look at him
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look at him this is this is the face of the woke
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dump him or you're not even gonna have to dump him you will never be with them
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so write your buzzfeed article and then end up with this guy is that what you want
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them in the first place because there is that old trope which i think is a trope for a reason
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liberal women can rail against right-wing alpha male types
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a wealthy, successful, muscular, I guess, dominant man,
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odds are these women would drop any male feminists
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And ultimately, I think the reason why so many feminists
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or actual violence being committed against women.
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If men are strong, it means that feminism loses control.
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while also being objectified like a woman at the same time.
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but it's the most egotistical ideology in the 21st century.
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But that's pretty much all I have to say for now.