SNEAKO - December 27, 2024


BYSTANDER EFFECT.

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On December 25th, a woman was burned alive in a subway station in Coney Island, New York City. On January 1st, police arrested a man who tried to help the woman and charged him with a crime. But was he a hero or a villain?

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00:00:00.000 This is Coney Island's Stillwell Station, the station where the lady was burned alive.
00:00:04.340 And I think the saddest part is that they still haven't identified who she is.
00:00:07.880 In sociology, it's called the bystander effect.
00:00:10.460 It's a whole lot of people in a group, and they're watching something.
00:00:14.280 And everybody's got their hands in their pocket, or they're on the phone saying,
00:00:17.880 gee, somebody should do something, you know?
00:00:20.360 They don't want to take responsibility.
00:00:22.080 And that's called the bystander effect.
00:00:23.800 There are no candles here and more news stations and cameramen
00:00:27.220 than there are participants of the vigil.
00:00:29.040 New York is a good place, but it has to be safer.
00:00:32.160 Enough is enough.
00:00:35.160 It's that time of year where you have to start thinking about the next one.
00:00:39.560 What can we do better now that the calendar changes and it's a new year?
00:00:43.800 The first step is to look at the problems of 2024, which were over-socialization.
00:00:48.980 We are now starting to currently see the long-term effects of social media.
00:00:53.120 What happens when we live life equally through here than we do out there?
00:00:56.900 If Daniel Penny wasn't facing so much scrutiny, do you think that somebody would have stepped
00:01:01.460 in to save this burning lady?
00:01:03.640 You know, if you see something, say something.
00:01:06.240 And sometimes you don't know what's going on between the minds of people and the minds
00:01:09.840 of people, especially in our city.
00:01:11.160 But we need to have more people, more heroes, more people to step in and do something.
00:01:18.040 Do you consider Daniel Penny to be a hero?
00:01:20.780 Prosecutors are trying to prove Penny was reckless and argued though his intentions were good,
00:01:25.320 he used excessive force, keeping Neely in a chokehold for nearly six minutes.
00:01:28.780 I considered him to do what was right at that time.
00:01:34.260 I'm not really too much sure about the situation.
00:01:36.820 I just know that the particular gentleman has been on the train for quite some time,
00:01:41.220 suffering from multiple mental health illnesses.
00:01:43.620 So the gentleman did what was right.
00:01:45.780 Who knows?
00:01:46.300 The gentleman on the train might have done some harm to more people, which he had done for
00:01:50.020 in the past.
00:01:50.740 The Unabomber Ted Kaczynski wrote about over-socialization in his Unabomber manifesto.
00:01:56.280 He predicted all the problems that we saw this year.
00:01:59.260 The best example is the bystander effect.
00:02:01.900 It's like this street in New York City.
00:02:04.160 If you were unfortunate enough to be the victim of a crime or taken ill unexpectedly,
00:02:09.980 you might think that surrounded by all these people, someone would intervene.
00:02:14.620 After all, isn't there safety in numbers?
00:02:17.100 Psychologists say no.
00:02:18.660 This is a sheep NPC problem where if we see one person ignore a woman on fire, 0.83
00:02:24.480 everybody ignores it too.
00:02:26.660 When people are in a crowd, it's easier to pass the buck.
00:02:29.900 It's what psychologists call the diffusion of responsibility.
00:02:34.480 The problem of living in the most densely populated area in the world, Manhattan,
00:02:39.180 and not knowing a single one of your neighbors. 0.70
00:02:41.900 I can literally see a naked woman's breasts in eyesight right now. 1.00
00:02:45.820 I'm not going to show you. 0.99
00:02:46.520 And if the person that owns those breasts died tomorrow, 1.00
00:02:49.300 my life wouldn't change for a second.
00:02:50.920 The difference is in a village of 1,000 people, every neighbor knows the other neighbor.
00:02:56.300 By socializing less, they end up socializing more
00:02:59.180 and intimately knowing the people that live next door.
00:03:01.840 You know the intimate details of maybe 1,000 people that you follow on X,
00:03:05.640 their mind and their life,
00:03:06.920 but how many of them did you say Merry Christmas to?
00:03:09.240 In the 70s, when the Unabomber wrote that manifesto,
00:03:12.000 he was talking about the problems of technology then.
00:03:14.720 Look at what we have today.
00:03:16.120 Maybe the dystopian answer is every day we're taking steps further away from humanity
00:03:20.380 and closer to artificial intelligence.
00:03:22.840 Very soon we need to ask ourselves,
00:03:24.420 what will be the difference between humanity and AI?
00:03:27.040 But I don't get pessimistic about this problem like a Black Mirror episode.
00:03:30.100 I think we can fix this problem the same way that we started it.
00:03:32.820 In 2025, we can use these dangerous tools
00:03:35.480 and take us as a couple steps back into people rather than software.
00:03:39.500 Unknown to these passersby,
00:03:41.680 Peter is an actor.
00:03:42.940 How long before he gets help?
00:03:47.780 Please, somebody help me.
00:03:52.200 Help me, please help me.
00:03:54.860 Helping would be inconvenient or even risky.
00:03:58.040 He lies there for more than 20 minutes and no one raises an eyebrow.
00:04:02.420 Please, somebody help me.
00:04:06.740 Mochi.
00:04:07.420 Mochi.
00:04:08.820 Mochi.
00:04:12.940 When I was 17
00:04:20.320 It was a very good year
00:04:27.920 It was a very good year
00:04:33.500 For small town girls 0.92
00:04:36.720 And soft summer nights
00:04:39.940 It was the day after Christmas
00:04:44.140 On the village green
00:04:49.940 I know you see some people
00:04:52.860 but West Village considerably is absolutely deserted
00:04:57.380 When I was 21
00:05:12.760 When I was 21
00:05:17.000 It was a very good year
00:05:22.380 It was a very good year
00:05:24.700 It was a very good year
00:05:30.520 For city girls
00:05:32.820 Who lived up the stair
00:05:36.560 With all that perfumed hair
00:05:43.020 There's a certain
00:05:47.000 Lowell type of calmness over the city
00:05:49.680 That I haven't seen in a long time
00:05:51.400 This should be mayhem right now
00:05:53.420 In any other circumstance
00:05:54.880 People feel sedated
00:05:56.340 It's like the whole city took a Xanax
00:05:58.500 This is Coney Island Stillwell Station
00:06:11.740 The station where the lady was burned alive
00:06:14.040 And I think the saddest part is that they still haven't identified who she is
00:06:17.620 The difficult part
00:06:18.620 She has no property
00:06:20.380 She has nothing really under her name
00:06:21.960 So there's a candlelight vigil for her
00:06:24.020 But we don't even know who she is
00:06:25.360 It doesn't look like there's anybody here but reporters and police
00:06:37.800 Most New Yorkers are only a few months away from being homeless
00:06:41.900 How you doing?
00:06:42.820 The vigil is supposed to be here?
00:06:43.960 I believe so
00:06:44.800 There's no candles?
00:06:47.400 I'm not sure
00:06:48.120 There's no way everybody else knows
00:06:50.360 That it's supposed to be here after 4
00:06:52.140 That's all I do
00:06:52.860 Did they identify the woman yet?
00:06:54.320 You know?
00:06:54.500 I'm not sure
00:06:55.720 Yeah, that's a little disappointing
00:06:57.500 There's a candlelight vigil
00:06:58.940 And no vigil or candles
00:07:01.320 But there's throw-ups
00:07:02.320 Let's go, bro
00:07:07.080 Are you from Coney Island?
00:07:10.260 I am
00:07:10.540 Did you hear about the lady that got lit on fire? 0.80
00:07:12.620 Yeah, I did
00:07:12.820 I thought it was hard, man
00:07:14.560 It was tough
00:07:15.040 I think it was like
00:07:15.840 It's real heartbreaking
00:07:16.540 Because you see situations like the Daniel Penny one
00:07:18.820 He steps in and does something
00:07:20.440 And then he's hated by the far left
00:07:21.960 Exactly
00:07:22.380 You see a guy who's lighting a woman on fire
00:07:24.420 And then that happened after
00:07:25.640 People aren't stepping in
00:07:26.800 Maybe because they don't want to get in trouble
00:07:27.920 What are your thoughts on that?
00:07:29.040 I think we should all learn jujitsu
00:07:30.280 Next time I see somebody on fire
00:07:31.820 Triangle choke
00:07:33.260 100%
00:07:34.040 Bro, you know what's crazy?
00:07:34.980 There's a candlelight visual here
00:07:36.200 There's nobody here
00:07:37.200 What do you think the solution is to this problem?
00:07:38.880 Because you saw Daniel Penny, for example
00:07:40.180 He stepped in and choked the woman out 1.00
00:07:41.500 Let me just
00:07:41.940 Choked the man out
00:07:42.580 Let me just
00:07:43.020 Wait a minute
00:07:43.840 I know a lot
00:07:44.320 I'm not an ordinary person
00:07:46.540 I have to tell you
00:07:47.060 I'm a newshound
00:07:47.900 Okay
00:07:48.580 I don't think he was a hero
00:07:49.520 I don't think he was a villain
00:07:50.700 He certainly wasn't a vigilante
00:07:52.120 A vigilante is somebody
00:07:53.100 Who goes around looking like
00:07:54.640 He's going to do something to somebody
00:07:56.640 Right
00:07:56.920 That's not what he was
00:07:59.680 He acted on instinct
00:08:01.200 The people who were in that car
00:08:02.820 Said they were scared
00:08:04.220 More than they've ever been
00:08:05.400 And that they were afraid
00:08:06.180 That they were going to die
00:08:06.920 In terms of what he did
00:08:07.940 I'm glad that somebody was there
00:08:09.860 He did take action
00:08:12.000 My problem with what he did
00:08:13.900 Was the last 30 seconds
00:08:15.160 The last 30 seconds
00:08:16.480 Mr. Neely
00:08:17.460 The young man
00:08:18.540 Fell unconscious
00:08:19.440 I personally think
00:08:20.460 The last 30 seconds
00:08:21.380 Have a problem with him
00:08:22.380 I don't have a problem
00:08:23.680 With Daniel Penny
00:08:24.540 Sticking forward
00:08:25.340 Why is he not a hero?
00:08:26.940 Because Neely died
00:08:27.860 So what are we supposed to do
00:08:29.020 About this fire situation?
00:08:30.240 Do you think part of the reason
00:08:31.000 Nobody stepped in
00:08:31.760 Is because of
00:08:32.600 What happened to Penny?
00:08:33.820 No
00:08:33.980 No, that's not
00:08:34.980 Why did nobody
00:08:35.740 This isn't old
00:08:37.480 This is
00:08:37.880 In terms of psychology
00:08:39.500 And sociology
00:08:40.380 It's called the bystander effect
00:08:42.240 It has to do with
00:08:43.640 The kind of society
00:08:44.600 We're living in
00:08:45.380 People don't feel connected
00:08:47.060 Here we are
00:08:48.380 In the richest country on earth
00:08:49.800 In the richest
00:08:50.660 One of the richest cities on earth
00:08:52.060 Where people are living
00:08:53.500 In 100 stories up in the air
00:08:55.620 Lives of luxury
00:08:56.760 And then down below
00:08:57.900 At street level
00:08:58.700 We have people living
00:08:59.620 In absolute destitution
00:09:01.600 Very close to
00:09:02.740 Death
00:09:03.320 Homeless
00:09:03.860 We're not that far apart
00:09:04.960 We're not that far away
00:09:05.820 We're right here
00:09:06.320 We are right here
00:09:07.220 We're right here
00:09:07.680 We could
00:09:08.240 You are
00:09:08.900 I don't know you
00:09:09.500 You don't know me
00:09:10.140 Millions of New Yorkers
00:09:15.040 Rides and trains
00:09:15.920 Every day
00:09:16.720 I'm realizing
00:09:17.540 I'm part of the problem
00:09:18.580 There are no candles here
00:09:19.960 And more news stations
00:09:21.380 And cameramen
00:09:22.160 Than there are
00:09:22.740 Participants in the vigil
00:09:24.000 This
00:09:24.900 This is
00:09:25.820 This is kind of dark
00:09:26.840 And I'm part of it
00:09:27.720 Yep
00:09:28.020 This is a realization here
00:09:29.640 Look at all
00:09:31.800 Look at all these news vans
00:09:33.480 Double parked on the street
00:09:34.780 Can I ask you your opinion
00:09:52.180 On everything that happened
00:09:53.380 Tragedy
00:09:54.620 What happened
00:09:55.000 Such a tragedy
00:09:55.920 Life taken
00:09:57.080 Just so suddenly
00:09:57.920 We pray
00:09:59.540 That God have mercy on the soul
00:10:01.020 And also
00:10:01.580 Have mercy upon the person
00:10:02.760 That did this
00:10:03.360 Everyone on the train
00:10:04.340 We just need to be safe
00:10:05.220 A safer city
00:10:05.760 How do we prevent
00:10:06.980 Something like this
00:10:07.580 From happening again
00:10:08.300 We have to
00:10:09.340 Get in contact
00:10:10.280 With the powers that be
00:10:11.300 The mayor's office
00:10:12.160 The governor
00:10:12.660 It's time for them now
00:10:13.600 To step up
00:10:14.120 And do some help
00:10:14.680 Very important
00:10:15.700 They actually step in now
00:10:16.920 To work
00:10:17.620 And to keep New Yorkers safe
00:10:18.920 New Yorker is a good place
00:10:20.240 But it has to be safer
00:10:21.460 Enough is enough
00:10:22.660 You should take your job
00:10:23.760 What's your name
00:10:25.020 My name's Sinan
00:10:26.240 Right when I got off the train
00:10:27.940 To edit this video
00:10:29.000 A girl yelled 1.00
00:10:30.320 Fuck you to me 1.00
00:10:31.160 As soon as the doors opened 1.00
00:10:32.560 She said hello to me
00:10:33.640 When she got on her stop
00:10:34.860 And didn't say a word
00:10:35.880 For 30 minutes
00:10:37.080 Then finally
00:10:37.760 When there was a degree
00:10:38.600 Of separation
00:10:39.320 She decided to yell 0.83
00:10:40.640 Something negative
00:10:41.320 As I'm standing over the gap
00:10:42.700 Halfway between the train
00:10:43.940 And ready to leave
00:10:44.620 I look at her and say
00:10:45.580 You waited that whole time 1.00
00:10:47.300 To yell fuck you to me 1.00
00:10:48.320 She's looking at me 1.00
00:10:49.140 Laughs and nods
00:10:49.960 And I say 0.99
00:10:50.320 You couldn't have the balls 0.99
00:10:51.360 To say that 0.99
00:10:51.820 When we were face to face
00:10:53.080 Perfect example
00:10:54.200 Of the degree of separation
00:10:55.800 We now have
00:10:56.580 Maybe she was trying
00:10:57.820 To get a clip
00:10:58.580 Maybe she just wanted 1.00
00:10:59.860 To say something negative
00:11:00.800 Without the repercussions
00:11:01.800 But she didn't see me
00:11:03.260 As a person
00:11:03.920 That interaction
00:11:04.760 Was fraudulent
00:11:05.740 Because she tweeted
00:11:07.080 At me in real life
00:11:08.060 Instead of using
00:11:09.120 All that time
00:11:10.060 On the train
00:11:10.660 To have a conversation
00:11:12.000 With somebody
00:11:12.540 That she hated
00:11:13.200 Maybe we could have
00:11:14.040 Talked out her differences
00:11:14.900 And maybe we could have
00:11:15.840 Even hugged it out
00:11:16.620 Instead she's just
00:11:17.520 Another person
00:11:18.280 In the ether
00:11:18.940 That I'll never see again
00:11:20.240 That I know hates me
00:11:21.220 What if I left
00:11:22.000 And that train derailed
00:11:23.040 And that's the last thing
00:11:24.020 She said
00:11:24.540 God forbid
00:11:25.360 What if I got hit
00:11:26.160 By her car
00:11:26.680 While leaving
00:11:27.220 And that was the last thing
00:11:28.120 Someone said to me
00:11:28.980 The likelihood
00:11:29.660 I'll ever see her again
00:11:30.780 Is minimal
00:11:31.500 But lady on the train 1.00
00:11:32.720 If I ever do
00:11:33.720 I'm gonna talk to you
00:11:34.960 This year
00:11:35.440 My new year's resolutions
00:11:36.460 Were very personal
00:11:37.320 Because in 2022
00:11:38.200 I was in student loan debt
00:11:39.880 In 2023
00:11:40.500 I became a millionaire
00:11:41.460 In 2024
00:11:42.460 I closed
00:11:43.440 Four houses
00:11:44.300 All cash
00:11:44.960 I'm good
00:11:45.720 2025
00:11:46.420 Is all about
00:11:47.760 Creating something new
00:11:49.040 My goal with Project X
00:11:50.320 Is to upload
00:11:51.100 Every single day this year
00:11:52.980 Since I started a month ago
00:11:54.140 I only miss Christmas
00:11:55.160 To spend time with my family
00:11:56.380 For the past three years
00:11:57.320 My goals have been
00:11:58.080 Very selfish
00:11:58.880 And reasonably so
00:11:59.860 But 2025
00:12:00.660 Is all about
00:12:01.800 Doing something
00:12:02.320 That I think
00:12:02.800 Is good for humanity
00:12:03.580 That's what makes
00:12:04.740 A holiday like Christmas
00:12:05.840 So valuable to me
00:12:07.020 Because I feel
00:12:07.780 The societal pressure
00:12:08.900 To spend time
00:12:09.680 With my Catholic family
00:12:10.800 No matter what
00:12:11.940 Wherever you are
00:12:12.700 In the world
00:12:13.200 You're supposed to be
00:12:14.200 Eating dinner
00:12:14.740 With your family
00:12:15.320 On that day
00:12:15.960 You're not communicating
00:12:16.880 In the family
00:12:17.620 WhatsApp group
00:12:18.460 You're talking to them
00:12:19.620 Face to face
00:12:20.300 Sharing a meal
00:12:21.120 It removes that
00:12:21.980 False degree of separation
00:12:23.380 And makes you smell
00:12:24.240 Their bad breath
00:12:25.180 And hear their terrible jokes
00:12:26.620 Face to face
00:12:28.120 The bystander effect
00:12:29.360 Is proof
00:12:30.080 That we think
00:12:30.720 As a collective
00:12:31.340 In 2025
00:12:32.420 If we don't work together
00:12:34.280 To fix this problem
00:12:35.360 Of socialization
00:12:36.240 Humanity is doomed
00:12:37.900 Mochi
00:12:39.960 Mochi
00:12:41.780 No
00:12:56.880 We'll be wrong