SNEAKO - September 18, 2022Destiny DEBATES SNEAKO on Censorship!
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Summary
In this episode, we have a special guest on the show, Myron. Myron is a streamer, gamer, and Twitch streamer. He is also a member of the United States Senate Intelligence Committee. We talk about how he got his start in the gaming community, his experience with the government, and what it's like working for the government.
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how you how you doing from the twitter band uh i'm good it's uh i'm technically always like um
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banivating on the account what was the first thing you got banned for because like um right now i'm
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not doing that too i'm also not banivating on twitter um sneak eclipse is not me on twitter
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at sneak eclipse that's not my account but yeah what did you get banned for initially my um
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how do i do the thing oh it's this thanks my the current permaban that i have on my account was
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because um when i was fighting with what is how does this work um i was fighting with a bunch of
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like alt writers a long time ago and i had um i had this it was a banging tweet um it was a tweet
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of like some disney channel fucking like three or four people like in the background and then like
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the or it was some i think it was like a background or whatever and then on the front there were like
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three different alt writers which are like these kind of like white supremacist people that i was
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arguing with i know what alt-right is but thank you for mansplaining yeah and um why is my shit
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getting so fucked sorry damn i was arguing with him and then i uh i tweeted out that um wow the
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new alt-right is uh like more diverse than a disney channel original movie or something and
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that tweet got spam reported and flagged for inciting hatred against racial groups and that's
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like an ultra permanent ban like you're inciting violence against um different races of people who
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were you inciting shit against probably because i was bringing up the races of the people
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okay you're one of the good ones though what do you one of the good which ones you're one of the
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good white people you're not racist oh thanks i try not to be depends on the race i guess
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let me add uh myron it's pretty funny that you're jumping right from abba to myron right now but i'm
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not gonna go bring that up when i add him to the call okay that's good wait i forget are these guys
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how does it feel have you made it to the government before have you made it to the senate
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um i might have in some clip i'm not sure come on you don't forget that i don't know it's a
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senate it's like a senate hearing thing okay it's not like i'm being brought up in front of the
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president are you really trying to minimize the fact that they played my panel our panel
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in a senate the senate committee you don't think you're saying oh it's not the president
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It was actually a really fucking big deal, and I'm so proud.
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It's not proud. That doesn't ring bells in your head?
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if they're going to play it in the Senate right now,
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if they're highlighting it as dangerous content that's a domestic threat,
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if a senator of Michigan and also the chair of Homeland Security
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is saying that this is dangerous content and is inciting terrorism and violence,
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you're not like, oh, fuck, you're just going to keep gaming?
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um yeah what am i supposed to do i have an opinion or something i like it's something destiny
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what's what probably happened was they are talking a lot about misinformation and people
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getting radicalized online um ever since the something correct me wrong in chat but i'm
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pretty sure ever since do you know what cambridge analytica is or no what's that no it was it was
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like a huge thing that involved um facebook and like our information and election security and
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it was just a huge huge huge thing but i'm pretty sure after cambridge analytica i think congress
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started to take a much closer and more interested look at what was going on on social media online
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and once that happened uh now every now and then the zuck and these people are going in front of
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congress trying to say like well what are you doing to make sure that our online area is safe
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what are you doing to make sure that you know russians aren't hacking your shit and blah blah
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blah and in doing that uh they try to make a whole bunch of concessions to congress so that
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and all that shit online like they've been like dude there have been like people that are way
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smaller than me that have given like full who was it diamond and silk those two ladies went on
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they give like a full speech in front of fucking congress about like being censored and shit online
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and stuff like they've been talking about this shit for a while how do i how do i add him how
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do i add he's added already he just needs to click the call button to join like he's in the call
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i want to talk to two feds because he was actually part of homeland security
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Bro, I don't know how all these fucking agencies are put together.
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Is the chairman of Homeland Security the boss of like...
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uh i don't think i watched it on stream no you didn't even play it you didn't even play you
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in front of the senate you're a political streamer i wanted to save i wanted to save
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well right now we're not political right now we're drawn by andy's so okay what about getting
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banned on twitter like can you explain to me what happened did you get radicalized at all by that
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no i've been perma banned on twitter for a long time well this one this ban uh no i knew it was
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coming that's part of our twitter is like one of the first it's like a frontline warrior it's the
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First of all, anytime we're in some big conflict, that's just how it goes.
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But can you explain, like, what do they mass report you for?
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They're trying to get Twitter to notice that it's, like, a ban-evating account.
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So they just spam report until eventually somebody at Twitter safety notices.
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And they're like, oh, you're not supposed to be here.
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I want to get my under here, bro, like, to really get some details about Homeland Security.
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That dude that probably got me banned on Twitter.
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The socialist fucking weirdo behind the screen.
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he's locked on left yeah you you know what's the lore behind that uh he's generally a pretty
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cool dude he's like pretty smart he actually started a lot of like internet memes but he's
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like obviously he's a pretty far left dude so he's big on that like de-platforming stuff
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pretty cool dude to get me banned and someone that i've i don't even know that is well that's
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what they that's how they all be that's what they turn into it's the ultimate fate of any
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left-leaning person on the internet is to become a de-platformer don't you're you are you get the
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same treatment as all the red pill guys like jordan peterson pretty shit huh jordan peterson
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gets bad that's what i'm saying you're gonna you're gonna come to the good side soon jordan
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peterson got banned on twitter i'm banned on twitter you're getting played in front of the
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government with me and fuentes very soon but how do you not get radicalized by that the fact that
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you see all the people on your side go flip it's a deep platforming free speech bullshit like free
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speech is bad bullshit hate speech promotion everything that the left is promoting and even
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the senator who played my clip uh is a democrat they are all they're completely against freedom
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of speech and you're the opposite you're not a liberal because you believe in free speech
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you believe in platforming anybody you believe in talking and having conversations which is
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completely against the current liberal ideology um there's a quote i don't remember exactly what
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it was but it's essentially like um just because one side errs in in error does that not mean that
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the other side can't possibly err in the other direction just as much or something like that
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Basically, you're just justifying it more and more.
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I knew it was going to be like this too before this call.
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He's going to not care that they're calling us domestic terrorists for having open dialogue.
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Basically, Destiny, we care more about free speech than the government now.
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We care more about the Constitution than the Senate.
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they want to hide this content and you are very open to have open dialogue and talk to people
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from the other side your fans like it when you de-radicalize people the government just wants
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to shut us up the quote was um so somebody says you'll be justifying the inquisition in a moment
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and the response is why because the middle ages erred in one direction does it follow that there
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is no error in the opposite direction um i think people make this mistake where they see people
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acting crazy on one side and on the left they certainly do before it was the right they would
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as well um just because people see somebody make big mistakes they instantly assume that the
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opposite movement must be correct that doesn't logically follow there could be crazy people
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uh everywhere i don't i'm not saying that the opposite is correct but i'm saying the truth
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that's what you're saying you're saying like aren't you redfield no why why would my side
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being radical change my i think you're it would just make me choose my friends i don't want you
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to think of it in terms of sides but well that's but that's how you're presenting it you're saying
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like join us join us i'm not joining anybody my beliefs aren't going to change because there's a
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bunch of fucking lunatics that are occupying a similar political areas it's not a bunch of
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lunatics lunatic behavior is just common for liberals now it's just common to not even want
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to have a conversation they cannot have debate they're not even capable of it they completely
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operate over feelings yeah i think a lot of them do i don't disagree and so my point is that i'm
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not trying to make you think of the size i'm trying to say that the truth probably lies in
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the middle the truth the truth is probably somewhere it's not red pill or blue pill it's
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But I'm saying join the good side of, like, the red pill of this side to offset all the fucking brainwashing.
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I don't think the red pill is the good side, though.
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I think the red pill says a lot of crazy shit on their side.
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But you want to be lumped in with people trying to de-platform and cancel and government bots saying that we're terrorists?
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I speak about the things that I feel are important.
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Yeah, but you can only do your own thing as long as it's possible.
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You're just like, I'm just going to keep delivering my life.
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You've gotten the same treatment as all the people like me,
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and you still are on the side of the people who are canceling you.
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You keep saying you're not talking about sides,
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but then you keep saying you're on a side, you're on a side, you're on a side.
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and for the things that I believe are important, okay?
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regardless of other people trying to tear those down
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or people trying to change the way that you act.
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If I were to start to change the way that I act
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just because somebody on my side is attacking me
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That's not what I'm trying to put out in the world, right?
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The goal for me is to show people that even if there are people trying to tear you down, even if there are people trying to fuck with you, even if there are people that are insane, that doesn't mean that you can't maintain some level of moral consistency.
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That doesn't mean you can't maintain some consistency throughout your beliefs.
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Yeah, there are times where it sucks for sure, but you're not just supposed to take the easy out every single time you feel some pressure on the other end.
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The easy out right now would be for me to just say like, wow, progressives are cocked.
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Hey, guys, I'm having my 57th panel today with seven other red pill guys.
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we're going to talk about how horrible cancel culture is hey guys wasn't it crazy that that
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guy got canceled yeah man that's fucked up true also women are crazy lol absolutely man like that's
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boring to me i don't want to do that that's not intellectually challenging it's not the type of
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energy i want to put on the world and i wouldn't even feel like i have to get pushed so much by
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people that are crazy on my side the energy that you want to put out because it feels good to you
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is only possible until you're not banned from every single platform and you've been banned
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banned out of two of the most major platforms for yeah i agree so there's a fundamental underlying
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belief that i have and if i'm wrong then i'll just be destroyed then you're just you're you're torn
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torn asunder right what i believe when are you gonna decide that you're wrong because i think
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everything that's happening so far isn't that enough to kind of prove my point i've been talking
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a lot about how freedom of speech is dead how they're trying to silence this they don't care
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about the constitution they don't care about people they just want to take away as much power
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as possible they want to ultimately have as much control they don't want us to speak they're afraid
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of this type of content and i think that playing our panel in this in the in the senate committee
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the head of the homeland security played it and said that this is a threat that proves my point
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one that they're watching two that they don't want freedom of speech three that there's a
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certain ideology that they're actively trying to silence because you're the liberal people
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the other people trying to de-platform the fucking soy boy saying ban sneeko they never say that
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that's a problem there's never a senator who's going to go play that clip and say that this is
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bad for freedom of speech they don't care they are clearly pushing one specific agenda that dude is
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a democrat who's saying that i'm a threat yeah i don't disagree with you right there are times in
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history where it seems to be the case that there are just like a couple of important people who
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make the decisions necessary to point the needle in a direction that allows other people eventually
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to follow a path that they would consider like good or righteous right i don't know what is like
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too much for me like i make enough money that like if i get pushed out of everything and i have to
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retire i can do it that would suck but i can do it but like i feel like if i'm not going to be the
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type of person to say hey hold on i think that freedom of speech can work i think that you can
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fight against people like this without being crazy about becoming reactionary if i'm not the type of
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person that can do it but that's what i want to see in the world like who am i ever expecting to
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stand up and put that type of like energy out there if it's not gonna be you're prioritizing
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yourself you're talking about retirement and you're talking about what you want to aren't
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you prioritizing yourself over the truth like no it's the exact opposite what you want me to
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prioritize is my lifestyle you want me to say like okay well wouldn't it suck if you got to
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do platform everything yeah i kind of would okay well then why don't you just like sell and become
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a reactionary i don't want to sell i'm not saying i'm not saying become a reactionary i'm saying
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that if you're what do you think your ultimate goal is with your stream you say your political
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my ultimate goal is that i believe in liberal principles i think you can have over the truth
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so you're a liberal before a truth seeker well i'm sorry let me hold on when i say liberal i mean
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capital l liberal as in like freedom of speech capitalism right to own property um these types
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of things liberal with a capital l not like liberal versus conservative but like liberal
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like everybody in the united states is generally a liberal we believe in like these these laissez
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fair capitalism and these rights that are protected by the government for freedom of expression right
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i believe in that that's an important thing to me and i think that the most important time to stand
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up for those beliefs is when it's the most challenging time to do so that's what i believe
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so if i were to cuck out now and say like okay guys um things are pretty scary right now so we're
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just going to talk to like red pillars and like kind of like uh move away from these like scary
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people and blah blah blah blah blah um and then and also like i don't think that like freedom
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of speech and all that like i don't know if i believe in this hardcore right now i'm just going
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to like you know change my beliefs to just to roll i'm confused about your answer to my question
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i'm asking like what's your ultimate goal with your stream it's simple like my goal is to show
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that there's a set of principles that i believe in there's a way that you can live your lifestyle
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to adhere to those principles and that's what i plan so you're set in stone with your beliefs you
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already you don't you can't change your mind because i mean i can change my mind i'll change
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my mind if there's like something that changes my mind or something what am i not changing my
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mind on you're saying that your ultimate goal is to talk about what you believe in already
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yeah right i'm sure that you can do that without being like see your your idea of the red pill is
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that it's like toxic masculinity manosphere content like crazy conspiracy theories but
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the idea of the red pill is just the truth is uncovering the truth so it's not something you
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could ever fully find that my ultimate motivation is to try to find the truth and if you already
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are set in stone completely about what you believe in and you can't adapt past that then you're not
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going to find the truth you already think you're right but me everybody's goal is to quote unquote
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find the truth that's what everybody says so what you didn't that's not what you said you said it's
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to say what i believe no but i'm saying every nobody's gonna say like oh yeah like i don't
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look for the truth everybody thinks they're looking for the truth no i think most people
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don't i don't think that's true you think most people don't think they believe in the truth
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I think they say stuff like what you said, like, I want to say what I believe in.
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No, most people think that they're on the right side of history, that they're on the right side of the truth and everything.
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No, not really, because I don't know everything yet.
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Actively, choosing the red pill as an ideology means that you're constantly seeking it.
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You're constantly taking what the world is presenting you and letting your ideology change.
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Like, when I see the stream getting played in front of the Senate, I'm like, okay, they're watching right now.
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Maybe I'm getting somewhere if the people that control everything in our lives thinks that I'm a threat.
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Okay, I don't know what this has to do with, like, my truth.
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Do you understand that there are multiple people that believe totally different things that all think that they believe in the truth, right?
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but just saying that like i'm saying that maybe you should maybe you should realign and reassess
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what you think the red pill is and constantly try it's not about because my point is that you i
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already i had a feeling you were going to already say this that it wasn't going to affect you getting
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played in front of the senate had no change in your ideology you already believe in this stuff
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you're a liberal it's not going to change even the fact that they played it in the senate
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yeah because i don't think it's a big deal to be played in front of like a senate judiciary
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committee or whatever how is that not a big deal because there's a ton of shit that gets played
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okay but did you hear what he said i haven't listened to it yet but okay how did you not
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even listen to that you were playing dungeons and dragons instead of listening to the senate
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talk about you no i was playing factorio chill dude damn factorio i can't believe you don't want
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have you ever heard political streamer go ahead have you ever heard of the term um have you ever
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heard of the term tautology what's that it's it's kind of like saying something is a definition
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right um so when people say like i believe in the truth right that sentence to some people
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i didn't say that i said i believe when people say they're searching for the truth or something
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like that right it's kind of like saying i believe that things that are good are good or i believe
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that things that are right are right it's an empty statement because at the end of the day
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everybody believes that they're searching for the truth everybody believes that no no people believe
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what you said you said i want to talk you said your ultimate purpose with your streaming is to
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talk about what you believe in is to spread your ideology and your beliefs i'm saying i don't know
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everything and i'm actively trying to seek it i'm not that statement has to do with like arriving
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at things that are true that's a big tenant of liberalism is that like the things that we
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determine are true or done like democratically as a society it's not handed down authoritarianly
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from the government right like a socialist or like a fascist might say like truths come from
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the government we have no right investigating those on our own we're going to rely on either
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a deacon or a or a you know a monarch or some shit for that right i i don't think that my anything
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that i'm talking about is like incongruent or incompatible with like searching for truth
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i'm just saying i just want you to understand that like when you say that statement what would
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happen when you say the statement like i'm looking for truth that doesn't mean anything
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everybody thinks they're looking no they don't because you don't you think you already know the
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truth you said that you want to spread your ideology what are you talking bro i read more
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studies in like one month and you've been your whole life how do you think i already know the
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You read a lot of studies, nerd, but what would you have to see to change your mind?
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You didn't even watch the Senate talk about you talking about all the studies you read?
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Wait, they changed my mind about what in particular?
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My whole ideology or about the Senate hearing or whatever?
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About the liberal thing about how blue pill is good, about...
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I don't frame my whole life through blue pill, red pill.
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My political beliefs are more complicated than blue pill, red pill.
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You trusting the government, you thinking that the government doesn't actually...
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It is all the parts of a car and that they care about us and that there's different and that there's not people behind the scenes who ultimately control everything because they have the most amount of money, that the people with the most amount of power go on islands and touch kids and eat children and do sacrificial rituals.
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Those people, you think that everything is good in place and that our vote matters and that all the checks and balances and everything.
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What would you have to see to wake you up and be like, oh, OK, maybe this is a bunch of bullshit.
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maybe this democratic ideology is brainwashing to keep us weaker everything that you just talked
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about are all very complicated sets of beliefs that have an intersection with a lot of different
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underlying ideologies when you ask me what would it take to change your mind that's a really good
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question to ask about a particular thing but like you're asking about like my worldview of like 20
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different things if you want to talk about a particular thing we can talk about that but
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there's not like one fucking video or one fucking sentence is going to change my whole mind on
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every single thing so nothing could wake you up even if hold on no no wait hold on no wait i gotta
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be more specific now because you're misunderstanding okay if you want to ask me for instance what would
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it take for you to to understand that like our votes don't mean anything right that could that's
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a good question then i would say oh okay well here's a question could you show me some idea
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that the majority of america fundamentally agrees with like that they feel really strongly about
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that for some reason we can't pass through congress we can't get any traction on this
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something like that would show wow even though all the american people want a particular thing
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we can't do it because of something like lobbying or corporate uh interest interfering that would
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be like one way that could show like okay well maybe maybe something is broken about our our
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democratic system that would be one example but that's a much harder thing to answer than just
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like well look at alex jones show he talks about this thing and now i believe that like the whole
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deep state it's like that's like like yeah what's going to convince me is you're going to have to
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have like some hard data or some an actual answer to a challenging question okay i want to watch
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just like not just like a video about the bohemian grove or something okay it's not the video i'm
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playing literally them react the senate reacting to our conversation let me try to find him i can't
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believe you didn't watch this bro that you just like overlook that and you're a political streamer
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you don't watch politicians talk about you i'm a drama streamer right now okay yeah well