SNEAKO - August 20, 2024


Islam vs Christianity Debate: Muslim Lantern VS Andrew Wilson - Trinity and Age of Consent


Episode Stats

Length

5 hours and 53 minutes

Words per Minute

160.08334

Word Count

56,602

Sentence Count

645

Misogynist Sentences

91

Hate Speech Sentences

355


Summary

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In this episode of Love Speech, Mr. Long of LoveSpeaker talks about how he was raised in the era when clean water was only served to the white people, and how he got into the rap game.

Transcript

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Misogyny classifications generated with MilaNLProc/bert-base-uncased-ear-misogyny .
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
00:00:00.000 It's early in the morning
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00:01:47.520 A lot of speech, what's going on?
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00:02:33.520 that's feeling man long of love speech another great stream today you're ready for the debate
00:02:36.640 you ready for the debate best hotel streamer worldwide you are
00:02:41.180 what's the problem what's the problem in the arm in the business in the thoughts in the business
00:02:53.360 black and chinese
00:03:09.080 live from albania right now by the way live from albania
00:03:19.080 uchaka albania we in a building some fire irl streams so nobody complain about it at all fire irl
00:03:25.880 streams back-to-back
00:03:34.360 who you got in the debate islam or christianity who you got
00:03:49.080 in a dangerous life
00:04:05.480 we got a great stream plan great stream plan
00:04:09.880 oh
00:04:14.520 it's pretty close
00:04:15.560 my mama was raised in the era when clean water was only served to the ferris skin
00:04:22.360 doing close you would have thought i had
00:04:24.680 but it wasn't satisfied unless i picked the car and myself you see his broke
00:04:29.080 nigger race and that's that don't touch anything in the stuff and it's rich nigger race and that's that
00:04:33.320 come in please by mo what you want a billy fur coat a diamond chain
00:04:38.120 all you blacks used to only be nigger
00:04:47.320 new slaves
00:04:54.120 chai you got andrew wilson and muslim lantern
00:05:00.120 you see his leaders and his followers but i'd rather be a dick than a swallower
00:05:06.440 you see his leaders and his followers but would you rather be a dick or a swallower chai
00:05:18.920 you a dick or a swallower chai
00:05:24.600 albania what's going on you like the rl's
00:05:26.600 black keys i wear my heart on the sleeve i know we're we the new slaves i see the blood on the
00:05:33.480 leaves i see the blood on the leaves i know that we the new slaves i see the blood on the leaves
00:05:38.440 they throw a hit at me want me to stay at ease
00:05:41.640 fuck you and your corporation y'all niggas can't control me
00:05:44.920 i know that we the new slaves i know that we the new slaves i'm about to walk the fuck out
00:05:49.640 i'm going body bouche i know that pussy ain't free you niggas pussy ain't me
00:05:54.280 y'all don't want contracts to me you know that niggas can't read
00:05:57.640 don't want some made back keys
00:05:59.400 fuck you say la b i know that we the new slaves
00:06:02.440 y'all niggas can't fuck with me y'all niggas can't fuck with me y'all niggas can't fuck with me
00:06:05.640 y'all niggas can't fuck with me y'all niggas can't fuck with me
00:06:07.160 i'm about to walk the fuck out
00:06:08.760 so you can't see where i stay so go and grab the reporter
00:06:12.040 so i can smash that recorder
00:06:13.720 give me the nitrous chat please could i have the nitrous
00:06:18.200 team up with the cca they try and lock niggas up
00:06:21.640 they try and make new slaves
00:06:23.240 see that's that probably on prison get your piece today
00:06:26.440 they probably all in the hamptons brag about what they made
00:06:29.640 fuck you and your hampton house i'm fuck your hampton spouse
00:06:32.840 came on a hampton blouse and then i hampton mouth
00:06:36.040 y'all about to turn shit up i'm about to tear shit down
00:06:39.240 i'm about to air shit out
00:06:40.840 now what the fuck they gon' say now
00:06:57.160 i've been this one
00:06:59.320 make this happen again
00:07:01.560 so long so long so
00:07:04.200 it's like no fun
00:07:06.280 and i'm like no
00:07:07.720 i can't move
00:07:09.720 i can't move
00:07:11.720 no i can't move
00:07:13.720 i can't be able to do
00:07:17.720 so let's get too hard
00:07:19.720 get too hard
00:07:32.680 islam or christianity who you got islam or christianity chat
00:07:37.720 it's gonna be a good stream today inshallah
00:07:39.720 inshallah inshallah
00:07:41.560 one more one more one more
00:07:47.800 there's a lot i want to talk about today chap before the debate
00:07:50.520 actually not that much
00:07:54.200 and i'm announcing go to london tomorrow london
00:07:56.520 london i will be in your city tomorrow
00:07:59.480 in it
00:08:01.320 london to return
00:08:02.760 love speech is landing tomorrow
00:08:10.760 let me get along with love speech if love speech is the best community
00:08:13.960 in the streaming world
00:08:23.640 is love speech we love love speech don't we
00:08:31.400 we get along of love speech
00:08:41.960 we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things
00:08:53.880 not because they are easy
00:08:55.960 who killed jfk
00:08:57.960 but because they are hard
00:08:59.240 by the way did you see ryan garcia waking up after like five years
00:09:02.600 hey ryan i tried to tell you and then you started crashing out drunk in a space i was telling you that
00:09:08.360 israel controlled the world how long ago and now niggas is finally waking up because
00:09:12.840 candace owens got out of twitter space i'm just asking questions did israel do 9 11 yeah
00:09:19.320 yeah nigga yes yes yes and they killed jfk yes whoa everybody wants to wake up now the jq is
00:09:27.000 not even funny anymore it's not fun you know it was this taboo esoteric knowledge niche and
00:09:34.200 now everybody wants to talk about it now everyone's like posting is this the talmud what is this
00:09:39.320 is this what they what's the talmud huh
00:09:45.160 you finally woke up
00:09:47.160 finally you know the the thing is too they all
00:09:51.080 saw it they all knew about it but they just ignored it until it became mainstream enough to
00:09:54.680 finally i'm just asking questions i'm just asking
00:09:58.520 they're pretending like they didn't know because now it's safe now it's safe to talk about the jq
00:10:07.640 but love speech who was doing it who was doing it when you could uh lose everything and when you did
00:10:13.720 lose everything for talking about it because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best
00:10:20.840 of our energies and skills because that challenge is one that we're willing to accept
00:10:26.840 one we are unwilling to postpone
00:10:28.840 in the
00:10:47.240 Europe is a beautiful place.
00:11:17.240 Yeah, but we're going to do the debate starting soon, starting very soon, have to catch
00:11:26.420 up, have to do a little bit of communication with everybody, make sure that we're on the
00:11:30.740 same page.
00:11:31.740 Alright, there's some stuff I want to yap to, I want to get into.
00:11:37.280 But I think to start the stream, I wanted to just get in the right mood, just get in
00:11:44.740 the right headspace, man.
00:11:47.000 We're going.
00:11:48.000 Shut up, faggots.
00:11:49.000 Shut up.
00:11:50.000 Yes, sir.
00:11:52.000 Okay, everybody lock in, lock in.
00:12:01.000 Spread it on the floor.
00:12:03.000 W Freemasons.
00:12:04.000 Shout out to Lucifer.
00:12:06.000 Shout out to the Jewish Messiah, the Mashique.
00:12:10.000 Boom, boom, boom.
00:12:11.000 Shout out to the billionaires that are still slaves.
00:12:15.000 Boom, boom, boom.
00:12:17.000 If we fuck with Lucifer, let's get a W in the chat.
00:12:21.000 W's in the chat for Lucifer.
00:12:23.000 One more time.
00:12:24.000 One more time.
00:12:25.000 We should.
00:12:26.000 I would have allowed him to share the honor regime.
00:12:27.000 I would have allowed him to share the honor regime.
00:12:30.000 But yes.
00:12:31.000 Let's get in there.
00:12:32.000 Point to the one eye symbolism.
00:12:33.000 Right?
00:12:34.000 The all-seeing eye.
00:12:35.000 Pledge allegiance to the Freemasons.
00:12:36.000 Yes.
00:12:37.000 Boom, boom.
00:12:38.000 Beat it on your chest to let out the demon spirits.
00:12:41.000 Everyone's spamming W's.
00:12:42.000 Yes.
00:12:43.000 You guys fuck with the Jewish Messiah?
00:12:45.000 Okay.
00:12:46.000 Spread it on the floor.
00:12:47.000 That black magic.
00:12:48.000 Give it to your teammates.
00:12:49.000 Boom, boom.
00:12:50.000 Boom.
00:12:51.000 There you go.
00:12:52.000 W LeBron.
00:12:53.000 W LeBron.
00:12:54.000 Getting initiated by a bunch of rabbis.
00:12:57.000 Beat it on the chest.
00:12:59.000 Ah!
00:13:00.000 And then yell.
00:13:01.000 I'll stop for a lot.
00:13:03.000 I'll lose him a lot of in a shaytana regime.
00:13:06.000 It's funny that they put the title like that he's um.
00:13:09.000 Kyrie.
00:13:10.000 Is he why?
00:13:11.000 Is he pledging allegiance to you?
00:13:12.000 This is what the title is.
00:13:13.000 NBA posted this too.
00:13:15.000 And this is how you know it's a PSYOP.
00:13:17.000 And I know, I think even Kyrie knows this.
00:13:19.000 We could ask him now.
00:13:21.000 That he follows this love speech.
00:13:23.000 How is he paying tribute to Kyrie Irving by beating his chest for the Baphomet?
00:13:29.000 And I don't know if you noticed.
00:13:31.000 Did you see a whole bunch of these people?
00:13:33.000 Israel just started paying a bunch of black billionaires.
00:13:36.000 Like LeBron who are still slaves.
00:13:38.000 Let's be real.
00:13:39.000 Um.
00:13:40.000 Bronny, you see I met you one time.
00:13:41.000 But let's be real.
00:13:42.000 Like a lot of these people are still slaves.
00:13:44.000 Even though they have a lot of money.
00:13:45.000 Israel's paying black celebrities.
00:13:47.000 Like Fashion Nova.
00:13:48.000 To go and promote Israel.
00:13:50.000 So I want to.
00:13:51.000 I want to go over what modern day slavery is.
00:13:53.000 Okay.
00:13:54.000 This is gold scene records.
00:13:56.000 Gold scene records.
00:13:57.000 Behind the scenes.
00:13:58.000 We all know that.
00:13:59.000 Uh.
00:14:00.000 The biggest rap executives.
00:14:01.000 They're all.
00:14:02.000 They're all Zionists.
00:14:03.000 They're all Jewish.
00:14:04.000 But let's just say what it is.
00:14:06.000 Let's just say what it is.
00:14:07.000 Gold scene records.
00:14:08.000 Oh yeah.
00:14:09.000 And then you get the.
00:14:10.000 Yeah nigga.
00:14:11.000 Fuck nigga.
00:14:12.000 Shit nigga.
00:14:13.000 Hey one.
00:14:14.000 Two.
00:14:15.000 Fuck nigga shit.
00:14:16.000 Fuck nigga.
00:14:17.000 Fuck shit ass nigga.
00:14:18.000 Fuck nigga ass bitch.
00:14:19.000 Get money smoked.
00:14:20.000 Fuck bitch shit.
00:14:21.000 Ooga booga.
00:14:22.000 Ooga booga.
00:14:23.000 The full comic here.
00:14:24.000 Is here.
00:14:25.000 I love.
00:14:26.000 This is one of my favorite memes.
00:14:27.000 Look at all these.
00:14:28.000 Uh.
00:14:29.000 You got good citizens.
00:14:30.000 Let's be.
00:14:31.000 Let's just say what it is.
00:14:32.000 And I'm not going to even sugar coat anymore.
00:14:33.000 These are white citizens.
00:14:34.000 I'm going to study hard at college.
00:14:36.000 I value education.
00:14:37.000 We must spend responsibly.
00:14:38.000 And not beyond our means.
00:14:39.000 So that our economy grows steady.
00:14:41.000 Agreed.
00:14:42.000 An educated country.
00:14:43.000 Is a fair and prosperous country.
00:14:44.000 Let's make the most of our.
00:14:45.000 Lives friends.
00:14:46.000 And look at him.
00:14:47.000 No.
00:14:48.000 And then look at here.
00:14:49.000 Ooh.
00:14:50.000 Look at that.
00:14:51.000 Look at Sub-Saharan Africa.
00:14:52.000 Nigga nigga money nigga.
00:14:54.000 Nigga shit.
00:14:55.000 Swag.
00:14:56.000 Shit.
00:14:57.000 Yo nigga fuck nigga.
00:14:58.000 Ooga booga.
00:14:59.000 Fuck shit nigga.
00:15:00.000 Fuck.
00:15:01.000 Get that money nigga.
00:15:02.000 Fuck shit nigga.
00:15:03.000 Excuse me.
00:15:04.000 How would you filthy.
00:15:05.000 Nick.
00:15:06.000 I mean.
00:15:07.000 Find folks like a record deal.
00:15:08.000 Fuck yeah nigga.
00:15:09.000 We on top now motherfucker.
00:15:11.000 Ooga booga.
00:15:12.000 Get the money.
00:15:14.000 Goes into the.
00:15:16.000 Goes into the studio.
00:15:18.000 At Goldstein Records.
00:15:19.000 Fuck nigga shit.
00:15:20.000 Fuck nigga.
00:15:21.000 Fuck shit.
00:15:22.000 And then here it goes.
00:15:23.000 And brainwashes everybody.
00:15:24.000 Playing through the radio.
00:15:25.000 Fuck nigga.
00:15:26.000 And this is why music is haram.
00:15:27.000 This is why music is haram.
00:15:29.000 Because it casts spells on people.
00:15:31.000 And brainwashes people.
00:15:32.000 Fuck nigga shit.
00:15:33.000 Oh they're like.
00:15:34.000 Oh.
00:15:35.000 Putting in a trance.
00:15:36.000 And then you get wiggers.
00:15:37.000 You get a society full of wiggers.
00:15:39.000 School is for faggots.
00:15:42.000 Yo bitch.
00:15:43.000 Let me hit that.
00:15:44.000 I'm driving that Ferrari nigga.
00:15:46.000 Too fucking sexy for you.
00:15:47.000 I'm a twerking for that child.
00:15:49.000 This looks like Miley Cyrus bending over her pancake ass.
00:15:52.000 I'm a twerk for that child support.
00:15:54.000 YOLO.
00:15:55.000 Yo nigga.
00:15:56.000 I'm riding dirty from the hood.
00:15:57.000 Get that money.
00:15:58.000 Get them diamonds.
00:15:59.000 Yo.
00:16:00.000 I'm a cap a motherfucker with my nine.
00:16:02.000 You ain't never fucked a slut like this before.
00:16:05.000 Whose dick I gotta suck to get ice.
00:16:07.000 Where my coke at.
00:16:09.000 Yes.
00:16:10.000 That's how it works.
00:16:14.000 And this comic is supposed to be racist.
00:16:16.000 But everybody knows it's true.
00:16:17.000 So it doesn't matter.
00:16:18.000 Who cares if you get called racist anymore.
00:16:20.000 Who cares.
00:16:21.000 Because we get people like this.
00:16:25.000 Like active Freemasons.
00:16:26.000 Shaquille O'Neal is an active Freemason.
00:16:28.000 So why is he pledging allegiance to Israel?
00:16:30.000 It's because they have the same Messiah.
00:16:32.000 The Freemasons are Satan worshipers.
00:16:34.000 They worship Lucifer.
00:16:35.000 But.
00:16:36.000 Coincidentally.
00:16:37.000 They have the same.
00:16:39.000 Prophet.
00:16:40.000 As.
00:16:41.000 The Zionists.
00:16:42.000 As the Jews.
00:16:43.000 As Israel.
00:16:44.000 At Israel tweets.
00:16:45.000 Thank you Shaq.
00:16:46.000 For sharing this message.
00:16:47.000 With young Israeli victims of October 7th.
00:16:48.000 Who will be spending time at Camp Timberlane.
00:16:50.000 You are a true mensch.
00:16:52.000 Jews.
00:16:53.000 What is mensch?
00:16:54.000 What does mensch mean?
00:16:56.000 Camp Timberlane.
00:16:57.000 Hello.
00:16:58.000 Shalom.
00:16:59.000 This is Shaquille O'Neal.
00:17:00.000 Shalom.
00:17:01.000 I just want to give you guys a shout out.
00:17:02.000 Let you know I love you.
00:17:03.000 So look at what happens man.
00:17:04.000 No matter how much money.
00:17:05.000 That a black celebrity will get.
00:17:07.000 They still.
00:17:08.000 This is modern day slavery.
00:17:10.000 This is modern day slavery.
00:17:11.000 They could still be slaves.
00:17:12.000 And I even ratioed Israel with this one.
00:17:14.000 Just calling it modern day slavery.
00:17:15.000 Some people think that's racist to call it.
00:17:17.000 But let's be real.
00:17:18.000 They are owned.
00:17:19.000 Even though the slaves were freed back in 1860 something.
00:17:21.000 They're still slaves.
00:17:23.000 I love you.
00:17:24.000 I'm a mensch.
00:17:25.000 I love you.
00:17:26.000 To all the amazing children from the one family.
00:17:29.000 I know you came from far and far away.
00:17:31.000 What one family?
00:17:32.000 Hope you're having a good time.
00:17:33.000 We love you so very much.
00:17:35.000 Thank you for coming.
00:17:36.000 And we'll talk to you soon.
00:17:38.000 Alright.
00:17:39.000 Shalom.
00:17:40.000 Barak Hashim.
00:17:41.000 Leshala Tova.
00:17:42.000 Shabbat Shalom.
00:17:43.000 How the fuck you speak Hebrew like that Shaq?
00:17:45.000 Who taught you that?
00:17:47.000 What did they get you on camera doing?
00:17:49.000 It's either they gave him a Fashion Nova deal.
00:17:51.000 Cause this is like a brand deal.
00:17:52.000 This sounds like he's promoting some like.
00:17:54.000 Some underwear with PSD on it.
00:17:55.000 And what's funny is you're going to see Shaq now.
00:17:57.000 You're going to see him with all the streamers.
00:17:58.000 You're going to see him at the next power slap.
00:18:00.000 You're going to see him at.
00:18:01.000 In the bleachers with everybody else.
00:18:03.000 At those things.
00:18:04.000 Uh.
00:18:05.000 What was that last event called?
00:18:06.000 The players game or whatever.
00:18:08.000 You're going to see him at the celebrity circuit with all the streamers.
00:18:11.000 Soon.
00:18:12.000 Alright.
00:18:13.000 Shalom.
00:18:14.000 Barak Hashim.
00:18:15.000 Leshala Tova.
00:18:16.000 What the fuck is that man?
00:18:17.000 Did he cast a spell?
00:18:19.000 Shaquille O'Neal.
00:18:20.000 A'uzebel Adam and the Shaitan regime.
00:18:23.000 Shabbat Shalom.
00:18:24.000 Shabbat Shalom.
00:18:26.000 Shalom.
00:18:28.000 You are a true mensch.
00:18:29.000 Someone.
00:18:30.000 Okay.
00:18:31.000 What does mensch mean?
00:18:32.000 I really don't even know.
00:18:33.000 Let's see.
00:18:36.000 Mensch.
00:18:37.000 Definition.
00:18:38.000 Oh it's Yiddish?
00:18:40.000 I'm mentioning Yiddish as a person of integrity.
00:18:44.000 Morality.
00:18:45.000 Dignity.
00:18:46.000 With a sense of what is right and responsible.
00:18:48.000 So.
00:18:49.000 Israel's calling Shaq a good goy.
00:18:51.000 You're a good goy Shaq.
00:18:52.000 Put on that Freemason ring.
00:18:54.000 And even though you have a billion dollars.
00:18:56.000 You are still owned.
00:18:57.000 You're a slave.
00:18:59.000 It's funny.
00:19:01.000 You see these guys walk around like LeBron and Shaq.
00:19:03.000 They're like 6'8", 6'11".
00:19:05.000 What is he?
00:19:06.000 And then you get like a little like a 5'3 rabbi.
00:19:10.000 With a posture like Neon.
00:19:12.000 I'm joking.
00:19:13.000 Like this.
00:19:14.000 All hunched over.
00:19:15.000 And they own you.
00:19:17.000 And they own you.
00:19:18.000 Alright.
00:19:19.000 Shut up.
00:19:20.000 Spam good goy for Shaq.
00:19:21.000 Shaq you're a good goy.
00:19:22.000 Good goy.
00:19:23.000 Pat him on the head.
00:19:24.000 Reach up all the way here.
00:19:25.000 Pat him on the head.
00:19:26.000 Good goy.
00:19:27.000 Good goy.
00:19:28.000 Who else did it?
00:19:31.000 There was a very big campaign for these people.
00:19:36.000 American rapper Kodak Black.
00:19:38.000 Israel is the chosen land like Haiti.
00:19:41.000 Free the hostages.
00:19:42.000 I'm Yisrael high.
00:19:44.000 Good goy.
00:19:45.000 Good goy.
00:19:46.000 Good goy.
00:19:47.000 Kodak.
00:19:48.000 Israel is the chosen land like Haiti.
00:19:51.000 So what does that mean?
00:19:52.000 Haiti, Israel.
00:19:53.000 Haiti, Israel.
00:19:54.000 Israel.
00:19:55.000 Bro.
00:19:56.000 Niggas in Haiti don't even know what Israel is.
00:20:00.000 Number one.
00:20:01.000 Number two.
00:20:02.000 What is Haiti chosen for?
00:20:06.000 Being the poorest country in the world.
00:20:10.000 Having earthquakes strike Haiti because they're practicing voodoo.
00:20:13.000 But it doesn't touch the DR because they're not practicing the same amount of voodoo.
00:20:18.000 What are they chosen for?
00:20:19.000 Having the president assassinated because people are running into his home.
00:20:23.000 Haiti isn't.
00:20:24.000 Bro.
00:20:25.000 I'm.
00:20:26.000 I'm Zol.
00:20:27.000 I'm Haitian.
00:20:28.000 Haiti's the shithole.
00:20:29.000 Trump was right.
00:20:30.000 It is.
00:20:31.000 It's all.
00:20:32.000 People are getting evacuated.
00:20:33.000 People need to take helicopter.
00:20:34.000 When someone gets sick, they need to go to Miami.
00:20:37.000 What is Haiti chosen for?
00:20:41.000 Because there's a lot of Satanism that happens there.
00:20:44.000 You could ask Arab with the stuff that he's seen.
00:20:47.000 You can get into detail about that.
00:20:48.000 But they actually practice voodoo and voodoo is Satanism.
00:20:51.000 The gang leaders that are in Haiti, they literally sell their souls just like Shaq, just like LeBron, just like Kodak.
00:20:58.000 They trade their souls for immortality.
00:21:02.000 To have more in this life.
00:21:04.000 That's what Satanists choose.
00:21:05.000 They choose this life over the next.
00:21:07.000 And that's why they're so afraid of death.
00:21:09.000 Why the Palestinians have so much strength.
00:21:11.000 Because when you're a Muslim, when you're God-fearing, death is something that you celebrate.
00:21:18.000 It's something that we're not afraid of.
00:21:20.000 You're not afraid of anything when we know that everything is predetermined by God.
00:21:24.000 And if we die as a martyr, if we die in Jihad, we go straight to paradise.
00:21:29.000 We're looking forward to it.
00:21:30.000 To live life properly.
00:21:32.000 Did they teach him Hebrew too?
00:21:35.000 He's like, he's perked out.
00:21:47.000 They gave him, they sprayed the, sprayed the nitrous in his face and then got him to.
00:21:51.000 He was the star of David Ring for Kodak, black star David.
00:21:54.000 And it just like perfect timing and shit.
00:21:57.000 Perfect timing cause, unfortunately, you know what I'm saying?
00:22:02.000 We're dealing with, you know, this tragedy over there in Israel.
00:22:06.000 Bro, Kodak can't even speak properly.
00:22:08.000 Like he's mumbling over every word.
00:22:10.000 You know what I'm saying?
00:22:11.000 We're dealing with, you know, this tragedy.
00:22:13.000 You know, this tragedy shit.
00:22:15.000 Over there in Israel.
00:22:16.000 I'm going to say like, you know, like shit, you know, my heart go out.
00:22:20.000 You know this shit, my heart go out and shit.
00:22:22.000 To the fucking Chinese type shit, okay.
00:22:24.000 Good boy.
00:22:25.000 Good boy.
00:22:26.000 Israel, I'm going to say like, you know, like shit.
00:22:28.000 You know my heart.
00:22:29.000 You know, like shit.
00:22:30.000 They could have do take two.
00:22:32.000 Or take three.
00:22:33.000 He could have put on a shirt before doing his Israel brand deal.
00:22:36.000 Go out to them.
00:22:37.000 My heart go out to all the Haitians and shit.
00:22:39.000 Too.
00:22:40.000 You know, Haiti and Dementia and all that good shit.
00:22:43.000 What's going in?
00:22:44.000 You know, Israel the chosen land just like Haiti.
00:22:47.000 What?
00:22:48.000 What does that even mean?
00:22:51.000 And all that's why when you say like, man shit, my word mean anything.
00:22:55.000 My word shit, my shit.
00:22:57.000 And all that's why when you say like, man shit, my word.
00:23:00.000 Man shit, my word to Papa the Perk and shit.
00:23:03.000 I want all the hostages free.
00:23:05.000 You know, free all the hostages.
00:23:06.000 I'm the Israel hype.
00:23:08.000 And all that good shit, you know, Bill Israel and shit.
00:23:12.000 And my daddy named David.
00:23:13.000 I'm the star of David.
00:23:14.000 So, I love that shit.
00:23:15.000 My daddy named David.
00:23:16.000 So, I got the star of David and shit.
00:23:19.000 I know somebody.
00:23:20.000 I got a white boy in there and David.
00:23:22.000 So, I got the star of David and shit.
00:23:25.000 So, free the hostages type shit.
00:23:27.000 I appreciate you, nigga.
00:23:28.000 Love all my Hebrew home, girl.
00:23:29.000 All the Hebrew homies.
00:23:30.000 All the Hebrew homies.
00:23:31.000 All the Hebrew homies.
00:23:32.000 All the Hebrews and Shebrews and shit.
00:23:34.000 Shout out to all the Hebrews and all my female Shebrews and shit.
00:23:40.000 Oh, yeah.
00:23:41.000 If I say free the hostages, can I get a pack of backwoods and a eighth and shit?
00:23:58.000 Shit.
00:23:59.000 Oh, King David.
00:24:01.000 I know somebody named King David.
00:24:03.000 So, my whole boy, he got the Hebrew free the hostages.
00:24:09.000 Man, I'm trying to get a bar mitzvah up in this bitch.
00:24:14.000 The nigga shit.
00:24:15.000 I want to go spend a drain to eat a bagel and shit.
00:24:18.000 All the Hebrew homies.
00:24:20.000 All the Hebrew homies.
00:24:21.000 All the Hebrew homies.
00:24:22.000 Yeah, I'm traveling.
00:24:23.000 I was over here.
00:24:24.000 I'm traveling.
00:24:25.000 All that good shit.
00:24:26.000 Yes, sir.
00:24:27.000 Champagne?
00:24:28.000 NYC Luxury.
00:24:30.000 Yes, sir.
00:24:31.000 Oh, yeah.
00:24:32.000 Beautiful star of David Ring for Kodak.
00:24:34.000 Yeah.
00:24:35.000 They just like dangled some jewelry in front of him.
00:24:38.000 And then now he's like, now he's a Zionist because they gave him a little bit.
00:24:42.000 They gave him like what?
00:24:43.000 A 10K ring?
00:24:44.000 Oh, yeah.
00:24:45.000 This shit shiny.
00:24:46.000 This shit shiny.
00:24:48.000 That's how easy it is to buy someone out and buy a slave.
00:24:54.000 That easy.
00:24:58.000 But they don't even like they're pledging allegiance to these people.
00:25:01.000 Look at what the Talmud says about blacks.
00:25:04.000 Chief Rabbi calls black people monkeys.
00:25:06.000 This is the times of Israel.
00:25:07.000 W.
00:25:08.000 W.
00:25:09.000 W.
00:25:10.000 W.
00:25:11.000 W.
00:25:12.000 Rabbi?
00:25:13.000 And yeah.
00:25:14.000 Trump partnered him.
00:25:16.000 God damn shame.
00:25:17.000 Shit.
00:25:18.000 So I tweeted this and people got mad.
00:25:20.000 But I think this is AI.
00:25:22.000 I think this is from Elon Musk AI.
00:25:24.000 I think this is really funny.
00:25:27.000 You got to start naming around the neck of shit.
00:25:30.000 Cause this is what this is like the Kodak video and the Shaq video is exactly this picture
00:25:36.000 right here.
00:25:37.000 Yeah.
00:25:42.000 They just see them.
00:25:43.000 They see black celebrities as tools to go and promote what they want to promote.
00:25:48.000 To commit genocide and get away with it.
00:25:50.000 They know that they can get to.
00:25:51.000 They can't communicate with black people in America.
00:25:53.000 So they just get a celebrity.
00:25:54.000 Give them a little ring.
00:25:55.000 And then they own them.
00:25:56.000 And then they spread whatever agenda they want.
00:25:58.000 It's that easy.
00:26:00.000 It's really that easy.
00:26:02.000 Fried chicken is shit.
00:26:03.000 People get mad about it.
00:26:07.000 They say it's racist and stuff.
00:26:08.000 But yeah.
00:26:11.000 The racism thing.
00:26:12.000 I'm really tired of it.
00:26:13.000 Who cares.
00:26:15.000 This is my role model.
00:26:17.000 You heard me yap about Malcolm X before.
00:26:19.000 But think about this.
00:26:20.000 Why did they kill Malcolm X and sell Sexy Red?
00:26:24.000 Why did they kill Malcolm X and promote Shaq and Kodak and all these slaves?
00:26:29.000 Because he was an actual role model for a black man in America.
00:26:32.000 It was back in the 60s too.
00:26:33.000 Before rap music.
00:26:34.000 He was a prime example of what a black man should be in America.
00:26:37.000 And this is why I always looked up to him when I was younger.
00:26:39.000 Because he didn't have to be a thug rapper to gain respect.
00:26:43.000 You didn't have to do that.
00:26:45.000 Think about this.
00:26:46.000 You could put on your glasses.
00:26:47.000 You could become a good Muslim.
00:26:49.000 He read the whole dictionary when he was in jail.
00:26:52.000 He became really good linguistically.
00:26:55.000 He understood geopolitics.
00:26:57.000 He understood his religion.
00:26:58.000 He left all of his former life behind and he reverted to Islam.
00:27:01.000 And he became a good member of society.
00:27:03.000 And he was able to debate.
00:27:04.000 Just like the debate we're having later.
00:27:06.000 He was able to debate with some of the biggest intellectuals in the country.
00:27:10.000 He was on big talk shows.
00:27:12.000 He was giving speeches all over the nation.
00:27:14.000 And so the CIA killed him.
00:27:15.000 There's even stories that he said when he was writing in letters back to the nation of Islam.
00:27:19.000 Before he reverted to Islam.
00:27:20.000 Where he was writing to the nation and saying that he could see the CIA follow him around.
00:27:24.000 When he was going to Egypt.
00:27:25.000 When he was going to Mecca.
00:27:26.000 And they were trying to poison him.
00:27:27.000 And one time he even ate the food that they poisoned.
00:27:30.000 But it didn't kill him.
00:27:31.000 Eventually they just assassinated him in New York I think.
00:27:34.000 In 68.
00:27:36.000 But this is what we should.
00:27:38.000 Anybody that's going to call me racist for saying this.
00:27:40.000 This is what black people should aspire to be like.
00:27:43.000 Malcolm X.
00:27:44.000 And that's why they killed him.
00:27:45.000 Any good example.
00:27:46.000 They end up trying to fill him up with nitrous.
00:27:49.000 And program him to spread more degeneracy.
00:27:52.000 Or they spread pedophile allegations like Malcolm X.
00:27:55.000 I mean not like Michael Jackson.
00:27:57.000 Michael Jackson.
00:28:00.000 Every accusation is a confession.
00:28:01.000 Michael Jackson like he was not ever accused of anything.
00:28:04.000 From any like of the victims that they lied about.
00:28:07.000 They just made documentaries.
00:28:08.000 They used the Hollywood machine.
00:28:10.000 To make him seem like a pedophile.
00:28:11.000 When in reality.
00:28:12.000 What was he saying?
00:28:13.000 Like he was preaching love.
00:28:14.000 He was making good music.
00:28:15.000 He was trying to wake people up.
00:28:17.000 All I want to say is that.
00:28:18.000 They don't really care about us.
00:28:20.000 Jew me.
00:28:21.000 Kike me.
00:28:22.000 Everybody type me.
00:28:24.000 Can I have the nitrous today?
00:28:25.000 And so when they see people like that.
00:28:27.000 They just try to fill them up with nitrous.
00:28:28.000 Try to drug them up.
00:28:29.000 Give them a Percocet like Kodak.
00:28:30.000 Like oh shit.
00:28:31.000 I got the Star David shit.
00:28:33.000 Or they get Shaquille O'Neal fucking a kid on camera.
00:28:35.000 So now he's owned forever.
00:28:36.000 He does the talk shows.
00:28:37.000 He does the talk shows.
00:28:38.000 And he gets fame.
00:28:39.000 He gets notoriety.
00:28:40.000 But he's still a slave.
00:28:41.000 And he has to promote what they tell him to.
00:28:43.000 They own him.
00:28:44.000 He gets good lifestyle.
00:28:45.000 He can go fuck the Hawk Tool girl.
00:28:47.000 He can go and do the celebrity circuit.
00:28:49.000 He can go be paraded around.
00:28:50.000 But he's still a slave.
00:28:52.000 And so I think black America should look at Malcolm X.
00:28:56.000 And everybody in black America respects Malcolm X.
00:28:59.000 Everybody does.
00:29:00.000 And I do because his anger and his aggression, his violent attitude was justified.
00:29:09.000 The KKK burned down his house.
00:29:10.000 They killed his father.
00:29:11.000 And you can understand where that anger came from.
00:29:13.000 But he was finally able to relinquish that and then spread a message of love speech.
00:29:17.000 And find Islam.
00:29:20.000 And leave all the false idols behind.
00:29:22.000 He didn't worship Elijah Muhammad anymore.
00:29:24.000 There was no shirk.
00:29:25.000 And he died as a good Muslim.
00:29:27.000 And Meryl will award him for that.
00:29:29.000 Malcolm X is what we should aspire to be.
00:29:31.000 Don't listen to any of these other celebrities.
00:29:33.000 You're going to see them more.
00:29:34.000 You're going to see more and more.
00:29:35.000 There was very clearly an ad campaign.
00:29:37.000 Kodak Black's the first one.
00:29:38.000 Then Shaq.
00:29:39.000 Who's going to be the next one?
00:29:40.000 Who's going to be the next good boy?
00:29:42.000 I have no idea.
00:29:43.000 Who are they going to get next?
00:29:45.000 I'm glad that we saw Speed stand up against that.
00:29:48.000 I'm glad we saw him reject Zionism.
00:29:51.000 But who else?
00:29:52.000 Because more is going to roll out.
00:29:55.000 Who's the most owned one?
00:29:56.000 But I mean.
00:29:57.000 Look.
00:29:58.000 Shaquille O'Neal for example.
00:29:59.000 Like he's openly a Freemason.
00:30:01.000 So that was just.
00:30:02.000 We should have seen it coming a mile away.
00:30:04.000 You?
00:30:05.000 What the fuck are you talking about?
00:30:06.000 What do you mean you?
00:30:07.000 What do you mean you?
00:30:09.000 What do you mean you?
00:30:19.000 I think.
00:30:20.000 What I can predict is.
00:30:21.000 They're going to keep infiltrating the streaming world.
00:30:23.000 And I like that.
00:30:24.000 Because we always yap about this.
00:30:25.000 Even Kenel Joseph.
00:30:26.000 Who is a funny guy.
00:30:28.000 He saw this.
00:30:29.000 Like something.
00:30:30.000 Some gay shit at the streamer things.
00:30:31.000 I didn't watch this video yet.
00:30:32.000 And he's like.
00:30:33.000 Incoming Sneeko rant.
00:30:34.000 People know that when they see some.
00:30:35.000 Some Zionist bullshit.
00:30:36.000 That when they see the satanic agenda being promoted through celebrities.
00:30:39.000 They know I'm about to go yell about it.
00:30:40.000 Let's see.
00:30:41.000 What happened to the streamers games or whatever.
00:30:43.000 Respectful rubback.
00:30:44.000 Yeah.
00:30:45.000 Oh the kiss.
00:30:46.000 Gotta walk you back to that again.
00:30:47.000 Yeah.
00:30:48.000 Yeah.
00:30:49.000 Oh here we go.
00:30:50.000 Alright.
00:30:51.000 Um.
00:30:52.000 Yeah.
00:30:53.000 That was the highlights.
00:30:54.000 Why is he cringing at himself.
00:30:55.000 What do you.
00:30:56.000 You did it.
00:30:57.000 You saw the camera there.
00:30:58.000 Why are you now cringing at what you just did.
00:30:59.000 It was the highlights.
00:31:00.000 Wow.
00:31:01.000 What do we just see.
00:31:02.000 Alright.
00:31:03.000 Respectful rubback.
00:31:04.000 Yeah.
00:31:05.000 Yeah.
00:31:06.000 But again.
00:31:07.000 These are the people that get promoted on the algorithm.
00:31:08.000 These are the people that get.
00:31:09.000 These are the people that get rewarded.
00:31:13.000 These people that get, you know, backstage
00:31:36.000 twice what the fuck does this have to do with basketball can you just hoop you're not even good
00:31:41.280 well why why why what does this have to do with sports the olympics wasn't enough you need to do
00:31:49.360 that giant satanic ritual at the beginning of the olympics anytime you watch the grammys you need to
00:31:54.320 get sam smith's fat ass twerking you need to see doja cat with uh tattoos all over when you watch
00:31:59.760 the grammys or the oscars everything can we just have some entertainment without this bullshit
00:32:05.660 being shoved down our throats do you always have to normalize the satanic we can't just
00:32:11.900 niggas can't hoop you can't hoop without getting poop on your dick you need poopy dick to hoop poopy dick
00:32:20.260 this is their religion
00:32:25.820 um but hey this is this is how we know love speech is doing well because we're getting the reputation
00:32:34.360 for for the ones calling this out
00:32:36.680 very glad
00:32:39.420 but just don't sell your soul don't sell your soul i don't know how successful you guys are
00:32:45.740 in life if you are or if you want to become streamers or any of this stuff and if i die
00:32:51.100 something happens to me if anything happens just remember that you don't need to sell your soul
00:32:55.120 don't give it up it's not worth it there's nothing in this life that you could trade that's worth
00:32:59.860 selling your soul nothing what do they offer you they offer you epstein's island you can fuck some
00:33:03.860 kids they offer you fame whatever you get paraded around and you got to shake hands with other rappers
00:33:08.660 who are on drugs whoo what do you get you got to go to big parties with diddy what can what do you
00:33:16.080 get by selling your soul you get to sit next to the hawk tool girl at a fight that's what you get
00:33:22.940 you get to get a couple more clout points so that you can run pull your audience and promote a pump
00:33:29.000 and dump what do you get there's nothing that's worth it and i was even talking to my clippers
00:33:35.200 group chat earlier you guys know who you are and there were everyone's starting to put the steak
00:33:39.180 logo and even it's funny this might get clipped and they're gonna put the giant steak all right over
00:33:43.020 here like over my face steak and i saw how much they're getting they're getting like a couple hundred
00:33:47.420 dollars it's like a couple hundred dollars for this stuff and they're asking me like how much did you
00:33:51.560 reject and once again i said 50 to 20 million but the amount of money doesn't matter guys like
00:33:56.740 xqc will keep saying there's no way it was that much it doesn't matter first off it was that's
00:34:00.900 what i was offered second it's the rejection of it you don't need to do it because having that
00:34:07.200 respect for yourself and knowing you're doing the right thing that's that's invaluable
00:34:10.340 so don't sell your soul you're always going to regret it and if i die just remember that it's not
00:34:17.220 worth it it's not worth it and for the clippers man stop stop with the giants what are you
00:34:21.420 getting like 300 more dollars what are you going to spend that on what are you going to spend that
00:34:25.740 on man tell me
00:34:28.600 i'm not quitting but yeah the europe trip is going to keep on going uh i want to i want to keep going
00:34:37.980 and um i got a word from orlando king that i can go to afghanistan in two weeks and the downside is
00:34:45.380 that i might get searched at the airport again it is what it is i already get searched everywhere
00:34:49.140 and it's funny when you see the liberals they always say like uh because i talk about how
00:34:53.260 important it is that people get married young to stay away from degeneracy they're like someone
00:34:56.800 needs to search snego's devices why because i think that people should have consensual marriage
00:35:01.100 right it's better for an 18 year old to get into consensual marriage rather than get fucked
00:35:05.600 and take drugs all through college someone searches devices the feds search my devices every time i go to
00:35:11.680 the airport all my phones all my like if i had anything i'd be in jail the feds have everything if you've
00:35:17.140 texted me if you send me a picture everything it's out there the feds got it so if i go to
00:35:22.020 afghanistan they're gonna go and search me again when i get back but it is what they already do
00:35:26.220 and what would be fun what would make the stream good is if i get to meet the taliban
00:35:33.120 but we'll see what happens i just want to make sure that i don't get go to go on tonal bay or anything
00:35:37.080 do it the right way but i want to keep on uh exploring this part of the world i've loved this trip so far
00:35:41.580 um there's a lot of my favorite countries i don't really want to say maybe chat knows but
00:35:46.380 i just kind of don't want you guys to come so i'm not going to talk about it too much
00:35:50.320 i'm not going to talk about it too much um w afghanistan yes sir
00:35:55.840 you know the debate's in um the debate's in less than an hour it's not it's not in four hours
00:36:00.880 yeah albania has been great i loved albania so far but um yeah there's no point i don't uh feel
00:36:08.000 like going to kosovo it's been too difficult um uh trying to travel zarka he's like really impulsive
00:36:13.460 and it's like we did a lot of driving already i drove 10 hours from bosnia to albania to get to
00:36:18.060 toronto the capital and then he's like let's go to the south okay another four hours and then we're
00:36:22.120 here let's go to kosovo bro i've been here for four hours you want me to go to kosovo again i'm
00:36:26.180 tired of like jumping around um they can't stick to plans so i'm gonna go to london and i'm meeting
00:36:30.940 up with muhammad ajab inshallah ali dawa aki amen these people and then i want to do uh
00:36:37.120 i want to do another trip before then maybe maybe i could hop by and stop by kosovo and
00:36:42.740 meet up with zarka um but i want to keep this traveling going i love being on the side of the
00:36:47.160 world and one of my favorite things about the iwell streams even though the one from yesterday
00:36:49.880 wasn't the best of all time um it's just i like showing that you know this message is widely
00:36:57.340 accepted in this part of the world all over europe no haters all over the middle east no haters all
00:37:02.080 love and then people on tiktok and twitter they insist like that i'm a terrible person that
00:37:07.060 you know i'm hated all this stuff and there's just none outside and i have no security everywhere
00:37:11.040 i go allah's protecting me but not only that everybody around me they show love and i i love
00:37:16.700 to you know to poke and prod at the people that insist that i that i have haters because i don't
00:37:21.880 where are they they're not they're not here i mean even in new york when i did the one minute
00:37:25.420 podcast they never show up the only thing they do is they take a sneaky picture or you know a jew
00:37:29.860 sits down he's like you're trying to kill me i'm trying to kill you what are you talking about
00:37:33.180 what are you talking about there's none they do not exist all right come to italy uh we'll see
00:37:39.680 qatar yeah qatar could be good yeah i just want to keep this run i just want to keep this run going
00:37:45.340 um i'm enjoying this it is very expensive and i know i'm doing a lot of the hotel streams but
00:37:48.920 at the same time i'm almost done on the the documentary letter from bosnia is going to be
00:37:53.640 dropping very soon i spent all day long editing that i woke up early today got a lot of editing done
00:37:57.860 and do you guys want a sneak peek type of one if you want a sneak peek of it or
00:38:01.000 type of two if i should just release it when it's ready but i finished the intro today
00:38:04.460 there's a lot more that that needs to get done again shout out to jesus father you guys are going
00:38:08.880 to love this documentary when it comes out it's uh it's some of my best work but i just want to
00:38:14.280 make sure it's perfect and i'm trying to get a translator to get it in bosnia you guys want
00:38:19.020 to see a little bit of it okay you know what i'll play the intro but nobody clip it clippers don't
00:38:23.840 don't clip it because i don't want it to go around twitter but i'll show you guys for the live right now
00:38:26.900 okay everyone's family one so fuck it i'll show you guys
00:38:29.360 what here we go
00:38:34.780 let's show you the intro
00:38:38.780 well how long is it it's probably gonna be over an hour i'm not gonna lie i wanted to cut down on
00:38:52.840 but there's a lot that i want to keep all right just the intro nobody clipped this bro nobody clipped
00:38:55.680 this one two three
00:38:59.220 welcome to bazia this country is a story of genocide survival recovery and most importantly god
00:39:19.380 i spent over a week here interviewing war heroes widows grandmothers and saw some of the best
00:39:24.300 hospitality i've seen across the world the story of this country is almost parallel to what's
00:39:29.060 happening in israel and palestine right now and america and the rest of the world needs to know
00:39:32.820 about it i hope you enjoy this documentary about bazia
00:39:35.560 whoo bro my editing my editing is top notch i ain't gonna lie to you bro
00:39:42.620 yeah just the intro but after that um it's there's a lot of investigative journalism and my goal for
00:39:48.880 this one i want bosnian kids to be shown this video in classrooms because i think it does a really good
00:39:54.420 job of covering the war um what do you guys think wow lots of w's
00:40:01.380 cool
00:40:04.040 no it's gonna be huge i i um i don't know i don't want to hype it up too much but um my editor
00:40:12.620 de brance is really excited about it too um warner's excited about it way he's excited about it i i'm and
00:40:18.020 what i want to keep doing another reason why i want to keep traveling is i want to keep doing these
00:40:22.280 documentaries in different places right i got to realize like i'm not a
00:40:25.880 oh yeah we're in w bosnia like that i can't you know i'm i'm pushing 50 so this is my strong suit
00:40:33.760 this is what i'm good at and you know even though i don't make any money doing this like i'm not
00:40:38.060 gonna make any money from this documentary i i spent a lot of money on it but what am i gonna do
00:40:42.040 post it on on x post it on rumble i'm gonna post it on rumble and it people are gonna see it's
00:40:47.020 gonna get shared it's gonna be remembered you know it's good for my legacy but for my pockets
00:40:51.280 there's nothing but that's that's what is that's better like i get more satisfaction from that
00:40:56.960 i take more pride in that i respect my work more doing this stuff you know getting to uncover the
00:41:04.640 truth about you know history getting to interview people investigative journalism this stuff like
00:41:10.040 making cinematics that's the stuff that i take pride in um and that's that's better that currency
00:41:15.260 is way more valuable than making you know i make multi millions from streaming but when i put out a
00:41:20.700 video that i'm really proud of some alhamdulillah so much better so much better legacy over money
00:41:28.400 any day any day
00:41:30.300 check clips yeah we gotta get to all right let me look through these clips um
00:41:37.180 uh there's one uh from yesterday did you guys what did you guys think of the stream yesterday
00:41:45.080 don't don't glaze just be honest would you that would you guys think of the stream yesterday
00:41:48.540 um this the best clip was like in the intro that was just random it was it was this moment
00:41:54.740 over here you know why because like um what makes streaming really good is just girl content it is what
00:42:01.320 it is like especially irl streams you need to have a storyline with a girl and i was just doing the
00:42:05.240 intro and this italian chick what's your name julia julia sneaker nice to meet you i'll take a photo
00:42:10.080 mid this is what niggas want to see on irl street where are you from from sicily some girl you know
00:42:19.940 airheaded doesn't speak a word doesn't speak a lick of english and i'm just next to her on camera
00:42:24.220 and niggas just want to jerk niggas just want to goon an edge and watch me flirt with the chick
00:42:28.140 italian oh okay prego
00:42:30.800 ah ma con te
00:42:32.640 ah ma con te
00:42:34.100 okay
00:42:35.180 hey i don't even know like i was just
00:42:42.080 yeah but that'd be uh man she is
00:42:45.940 ma chi sei come ti chiami what's her name
00:42:48.160 sneaker
00:42:48.660 sneaker
00:42:50.540 che cosa god bless you
00:42:52.900 what are you doing i'm here visiting what are you doing here vacation holiday
00:42:58.740 can you take the photo of you to me yes to me oh man just like just look at these girls just walking
00:43:11.480 around here staged bro what are you okay i don't know why would it be if it was staged then she would
00:43:17.840 have been here the whole stream she would have been there the whole time man
00:43:21.680 come on bro god bless europe god bless you all right let's go these clips
00:43:28.280 but yeah um you guys gonna like the rest of zyra run
00:43:37.680 um
00:43:38.880 all right let's see
00:43:41.220 i haven't looked at clips in a minute
00:43:43.960 and by the way we got the debate in um less than 30 minutes like around 30 minutes chat relax okay
00:43:48.520 ask his thoughts on do you know who sneaker is
00:43:53.320 you do
00:43:54.560 what do you mean you do
00:43:56.120 i was watching before he was out here
00:43:58.920 oh
00:44:00.300 what's that supposed to be
00:44:02.400 wait did demi's brother say she misses the
00:44:04.000 he said he missed the old sneaker
00:44:05.920 nah i'm just talking about when he was younger
00:44:10.540 in his room
00:44:11.260 doing his videos
00:44:12.680 i'm still doing the same thing same mic same camera same laptop
00:44:17.960 i'm just older putting in a hotel room instead of my mom's house
00:44:22.360 ain't the same
00:44:24.040 i mean i don't know
00:44:25.580 does he he don't hit the same
00:44:26.920 no
00:44:28.140 damn
00:44:29.780 i just don't want
00:44:32.700 someone said haha w brother
00:44:36.980 all right well
00:44:40.040 it's funny on this trip too
00:44:42.060 i've met so many people's family
00:44:43.640 demi's brother says he misses the old sneaker
00:44:46.360 he's a fucking
00:44:46.980 well i mean that's kind of cool you know
00:44:50.180 that people still remember that stuff
00:44:51.420 because i mean those videos that i put in back in the day
00:44:53.400 that's what i was making for legacy
00:44:54.560 i wasn't making any money doing that
00:44:55.820 i was just making those videos strictly for uh for legacy and to impact people but on the trip
00:45:01.100 so far i met zerka's parents i met arab's fit parents i met cheezer's whole family his grandma
00:45:06.620 his mom his dad his uncle i met um celine's cousin i've met i met so many people that strip so far
00:45:15.580 so basically i'm a family guy
00:45:19.140 i'm a family guy
00:45:20.920 all right
00:45:21.240 i'm a
00:45:22.540 oh look
00:45:23.700 yes he's doing fine
00:45:25.120 we were able to clear the stomach obstruction
00:45:27.140 turns out it was a used diaper
00:45:29.140 eww
00:45:30.080 oh yes
00:45:32.080 get off my back i thought it was indian food
00:45:34.760 hey
00:45:35.320 what the
00:45:36.540 w indian
00:45:39.180 guys you see the uh
00:45:40.240 indian won like two medals
00:45:41.640 what do they have a population of one billion
00:45:43.460 and what do they even win in the olympics
00:45:46.220 they should be dominating everything
00:45:47.660 leafy
00:45:48.780 where's leafy been
00:45:57.640 i've missed leafy
00:45:59.440 so many of the chat
00:46:01.160 think about the
00:46:01.800 think about this
00:46:02.360 think about the rumble streamers that came on this website
00:46:04.460 since we've been here love speech
00:46:06.520 leafy
00:46:08.240 gone
00:46:09.240 mizkiff gone
00:46:10.520 caisson gone
00:46:12.500 rice gum gone
00:46:13.340 jideon gone
00:46:14.140 steve gone
00:46:15.060 who else
00:46:17.420 bro so many
00:46:18.800 so many people
00:46:19.900 but we're still here
00:46:22.140 we're
00:46:23.080 who else
00:46:23.660 i miss leafy though
00:46:25.000 leafy come back
00:46:25.800 everybody that is named
00:46:26.860 rumble's the best
00:46:28.720 chris is doing good work
00:46:30.540 w rumble of course
00:46:31.660 i know
00:46:31.980 some of the vods have had some issues
00:46:33.580 but it's because we're streaming at 4k
00:46:34.980 and it's um
00:46:35.680 you know
00:46:36.360 you know
00:46:37.840 but
00:46:39.880 you're the only one left
00:46:43.100 6-9
00:46:43.800 academics
00:46:45.160 someone said
00:46:47.880 you got steven crowder
00:46:49.000 who's watched
00:46:50.120 steven crowder
00:46:50.920 i've seen
00:46:52.540 i've seen a couple steven crowder streams
00:46:53.900 i've seen a couple
00:46:55.240 but
00:46:55.840 i don't consider them streamers
00:46:57.240 if they have a podcast studio
00:46:58.420 i've been here since 2022
00:47:00.060 yeah i have been
00:47:00.880 yeah i have been
00:47:01.540 from the jump
00:47:02.380 speed and kai gone
00:47:04.540 fuck bro
00:47:05.880 that's a long list
00:47:07.480 that's a long list of people bro
00:47:10.840 who else
00:47:13.780 who else
00:47:16.000 i think that's it right
00:47:18.440 nick bro
00:47:24.940 nick state
00:47:25.440 he's all
00:47:25.880 and he didn't
00:47:27.440 he wasn't even here
00:47:28.020 when we started
00:47:28.500 new culture
00:47:29.560 new rules
00:47:30.100 family guy
00:47:30.560 will no longer make
00:47:31.360 gay jokes
00:47:31.780 that are deemed
00:47:32.220 as politically incorrect
00:47:33.120 after producers admit
00:47:34.000 that those lines
00:47:34.540 are unacceptable
00:47:35.220 for today's audience
00:47:36.260 this has got to be fake
00:47:38.600 tell me this is fake news
00:47:39.780 because this is what makes
00:47:40.420 family guy
00:47:40.840 family guy man
00:47:41.580 like they have characters
00:47:43.720 specifically just to make them
00:47:44.960 call them fags
00:47:46.340 and black
00:47:46.860 like all
00:47:48.100 they cover every stereotype
00:47:50.040 the dumb white guy
00:47:51.480 here
00:47:51.820 he's from long island
00:47:53.120 i'm from boston
00:47:54.500 a fat white guy
00:47:55.500 drunk guy
00:47:56.020 watching the patriots
00:47:56.800 that's peter
00:47:57.300 they got the fag
00:47:58.280 this dude
00:47:58.740 oh peter
00:47:59.600 they have um
00:48:01.480 the asian
00:48:02.500 no
00:48:02.860 is there an asian
00:48:04.060 yeah there is
00:48:04.720 they have a jew
00:48:05.600 more
00:48:05.960 oh my hands is cold
00:48:07.940 they have cleveland
00:48:09.260 who drinks grape juice
00:48:10.020 they touch every single category
00:48:11.400 there's no
00:48:12.440 i hope this is not true man
00:48:13.680 but set the father
00:48:15.380 must have left a long time ago
00:48:16.600 trump is not a zionist
00:48:19.400 he's just faking it
00:48:20.000 to get it to all of us
00:48:20.520 i don't know man
00:48:21.300 i don't know
00:48:21.880 did you see
00:48:22.300 oh actually i gotta play that video
00:48:23.540 of uh
00:48:24.920 i don't
00:48:26.460 well okay let's see this first
00:48:27.780 a tag would be on
00:48:29.000 a tag
00:48:29.840 photos
00:48:31.240 and shots
00:48:32.660 i mean
00:48:33.100 moving shots
00:48:34.140 of bombs
00:48:35.680 being dropped
00:48:37.100 into buildings
00:48:37.920 in gaza
00:48:38.580 and i said
00:48:40.360 oh that's a terrible
00:48:41.420 portrait
00:48:42.920 it's a very
00:48:43.660 you know
00:48:43.920 it's a very bad picture
00:48:44.920 for the world
00:48:45.440 the world is seeing this
00:48:46.500 yeah
00:48:46.720 well you guys could
00:48:47.440 you guys could judge it
00:48:48.300 for yourself
00:48:48.660 is he just faking it
00:48:49.480 to get into office
00:48:50.200 is he gonna pull jfk
00:48:51.820 because it seems
00:48:52.900 i don't know
00:48:53.720 this just um
00:48:55.400 when i saw
00:48:57.660 this
00:48:58.200 take a run
00:48:58.520 we will deport
00:49:03.340 the foreign jihad
00:49:04.400 sympathizers
00:49:05.600 and we will deport
00:49:06.420 them very quickly
00:49:07.200 and hamas
00:49:07.880 we will deport
00:49:09.200 the jihad
00:49:09.920 sympath
00:49:10.260 wait wait wait
00:49:10.820 deport the foreign
00:49:11.760 jihad
00:49:12.280 sympathizers
00:49:13.560 jihad we cooked
00:49:16.060 i love jihad
00:49:18.240 it doesn't really get
00:49:22.740 more black and white
00:49:23.480 than that
00:49:23.940 with the giant
00:49:24.980 israel flag
00:49:25.660 first off
00:49:26.440 first off
00:49:26.940 first off
00:49:27.320 for all the people
00:49:27.900 that are just
00:49:28.300 getting jq'd
00:49:29.060 i know we love
00:49:29.640 speech you guys
00:49:30.080 have heard it a
00:49:30.560 billion fucking times
00:49:31.480 but ryan garcia
00:49:32.200 is like
00:49:32.480 what's the town
00:49:33.760 moon
00:49:34.060 hey buddy
00:49:35.040 when you're
00:49:35.660 writing for the
00:49:36.240 president of the
00:49:36.920 united states
00:49:37.520 why the fuck
00:49:38.420 are half the
00:49:38.900 flags israeli
00:49:40.460 does anyone ever
00:49:41.060 question this
00:49:41.680 why is the star
00:49:42.440 of david
00:49:42.960 half the screen
00:49:44.260 for an american
00:49:45.540 president
00:49:45.900 this is the first
00:49:47.160 time you guys
00:49:47.720 saw this
00:49:48.240 imagine if he was
00:49:50.440 here with a giant
00:49:51.040 american flag and a
00:49:51.800 giant haiti flag
00:49:52.620 you're like what
00:49:53.200 what is he doing
00:49:54.400 or a chinese flag
00:49:55.780 is he chinese
00:49:56.880 people just
00:49:58.300 have associated
00:49:58.980 this with americans
00:50:00.020 so so much
00:50:01.260 that they they
00:50:02.340 don't even process
00:50:02.980 it being in there
00:50:03.660 but are we
00:50:05.440 cooked
00:50:05.980 president we
00:50:07.900 will deport the
00:50:08.760 foreign jihad
00:50:09.640 sympathizers and
00:50:11.060 we will deport
00:50:11.720 them very quickly
00:50:12.560 and he's gonna
00:50:13.460 deport us
00:50:14.180 he's gonna
00:50:15.540 deport us
00:50:16.320 mass supporters
00:50:17.980 bro trump
00:50:19.440 people that show
00:50:21.940 people that show
00:50:21.960 dual allegiance
00:50:22.680 that are running
00:50:23.300 for office
00:50:23.940 should be
00:50:24.260 deported
00:50:24.640 if anybody
00:50:25.680 in american
00:50:26.560 politics
00:50:27.180 has dual
00:50:28.080 allegiance to
00:50:28.660 israel
00:50:29.080 they are committing
00:50:30.120 treason and
00:50:30.860 they should be
00:50:31.460 deported
00:50:31.860 holding religious
00:50:33.520 beliefs and
00:50:34.220 believing in jihad
00:50:35.040 that does not
00:50:36.040 qualify getting
00:50:36.840 deported
00:50:37.260 what is he
00:50:38.000 talking about
00:50:38.960 deport like
00:50:40.920 where deport
00:50:41.460 where yeah
00:50:41.940 where am i
00:50:42.320 going
00:50:42.660 where am i
00:50:43.980 where would i
00:50:44.380 go i know
00:50:45.080 he said
00:50:45.320 foreign but
00:50:45.860 guys like us
00:50:46.920 love speech
00:50:47.600 who are
00:50:49.020 free palestine
00:50:50.040 where are we
00:50:51.720 going if we
00:50:52.220 get we'll be
00:50:52.980 gone
00:50:53.320 if you hate
00:50:57.600 america if you
00:50:59.280 want to eliminate
00:51:00.380 israel then we
00:51:02.260 don't want you
00:51:03.540 in our country we
00:51:04.360 really don't want
00:51:05.020 you in our country
00:51:05.720 what the fuck
00:51:06.740 bro are you
00:51:07.640 running for
00:51:08.000 president or for
00:51:08.780 israel or united
00:51:09.560 states what is he
00:51:11.300 talking about
00:51:11.860 i will ban
00:51:14.340 refugee settlements
00:51:15.460 from terror
00:51:16.340 infested areas
00:51:18.180 like the gaza
00:51:19.040 strip and we
00:51:20.260 will arrest the
00:51:21.000 pro-hamas thugs
00:51:22.040 who vandalize
00:51:23.100 federal property
00:51:23.940 and make really
00:51:24.740 life very very
00:51:25.620 difficult in this
00:51:26.520 country for a lot
00:51:27.360 of people
00:51:27.780 yeah the best
00:51:31.460 thing that trump
00:51:31.940 has going for him
00:51:32.640 is that he's not
00:51:33.120 a woman that's it
00:51:35.000 right now when you
00:51:36.280 think about think
00:51:37.080 about this what
00:51:38.340 are you really
00:51:39.740 impressed with
00:51:41.120 trump by open
00:51:43.260 invitation to
00:51:44.300 anybody if they
00:51:44.900 could tell me
00:51:45.260 why aiden asked
00:51:46.040 me like sneaker
00:51:46.580 can you debate
00:51:47.200 the democrat for
00:51:48.120 me and i thought
00:51:49.340 about it i'm like
00:51:49.820 what the why do
00:51:50.560 i like trump i
00:51:52.380 watch this with the
00:51:53.780 giant israeli flag
00:51:55.320 saying we're gonna
00:51:55.820 deport you if you're
00:51:56.800 muslim why do i
00:51:58.700 like trump he's not
00:52:00.280 a woman that's it
00:52:03.640 and he's racist
00:52:07.300 that's it he's funny
00:52:09.780 racist and he's not
00:52:11.740 even as funny as he
00:52:12.540 used to be he
00:52:14.200 doesn't got the
00:52:14.660 same you're fat
00:52:15.840 you're wrong you're
00:52:16.660 ugly stupid broke
00:52:18.400 poor lock her up
00:52:20.220 get her out she's
00:52:21.480 got small tits i don't
00:52:23.140 like them very bad
00:52:24.040 tits her nips
00:52:25.360 small her areolas
00:52:28.080 not for me not at
00:52:29.640 all
00:52:29.940 why do i like trump
00:52:33.960 chat you tell me
00:52:35.380 tell me and i know
00:52:38.200 rumble like rumble
00:52:39.380 loves trump and i do
00:52:40.800 love trump
00:52:41.300 but how what a fall
00:52:47.580 from grace after the
00:52:48.400 assassination attempt
00:52:49.360 he's not racist shut
00:52:50.740 the fuck up bro shut
00:52:51.980 up man this is a
00:52:53.620 stop you racist is not
00:52:54.600 a bad word anymore
00:52:55.660 i can't i i can't
00:52:58.000 someone tell me someone
00:52:58.940 tell me in the chat
00:52:59.600 why are people
00:53:06.800 spamming ones
00:53:07.440 stop switching up all
00:53:13.900 the time i mean most
00:53:16.040 likely like i'm gonna
00:53:17.020 vote for trump but
00:53:17.900 reluctantly he hates
00:53:21.240 gays he doesn't even
00:53:22.100 talk about gays
00:53:22.880 bro didn't he like uh
00:53:24.620 when that that tranny
00:53:25.780 endorsed him he
00:53:26.640 supported it which one
00:53:27.740 caitlin jett bruce
00:53:28.940 jenner when bruce
00:53:29.500 jenner supported is
00:53:30.020 like we love the
00:53:30.520 trannies he used to
00:53:32.000 have a dick and now
00:53:32.600 he doesn't it was
00:53:33.780 very big but now it's
00:53:34.860 huge but tell me
00:53:37.600 well okay what's going
00:53:42.000 on with the mods why
00:53:42.960 is everyone spamming
00:53:43.480 out mod what do you
00:53:43.980 what do they do uh
00:53:46.300 what's wrong with mods
00:53:47.500 chat why are you guys
00:53:48.600 having a civil war right
00:53:49.540 now what the what are
00:53:50.180 you guys spamming ones
00:53:51.060 for what the fuck vote
00:53:53.180 for rfk no bro they
00:53:54.680 killed his uncle and now
00:53:55.540 he's a real shell too
00:53:56.660 rfk is also a good
00:53:58.500 boy because of the
00:54:01.700 economy you fucking
00:54:02.620 idiot yeah the economy
00:54:05.080 it was small but now
00:54:06.760 it's big like come on
00:54:08.360 we're like yeah yeah the
00:54:10.820 economy the economy the
00:54:14.560 economy the economy is
00:54:16.720 very bad the economy is
00:54:20.820 very bad under biden and
00:54:23.360 camilla camilla's black
00:54:25.500 and she's a hindu we
00:54:28.260 don't like her she
00:54:29.160 smells i smelled her i
00:54:30.460 said ew she's not the
00:54:32.740 president for me she
00:54:35.400 smelled like like poop and
00:54:37.540 curry and i said camilla you
00:54:40.320 need some you need i have
00:54:43.060 deodorant we sell the
00:54:45.160 all right don't vote i mean
00:54:52.100 we'll see we'll see
00:54:54.220 okay chat is chat what the
00:54:58.540 fuck is going on right now
00:54:59.900 holy shit this this is chaos
00:55:03.900 right now i love it man
00:55:04.760 they spammed one because
00:55:08.140 someone named type one to
00:55:09.540 rape mods raided your stream
00:55:11.100 bro what are the mods
00:55:14.100 doing why are you guys
00:55:14.900 mad hey don't rape the
00:55:17.800 mods what the fuck
00:55:18.860 type one to rape the
00:55:24.340 mods all right camilla
00:55:27.540 camilla harris she's very
00:55:29.480 bad what did pbd say do
00:55:32.320 you think candace and all
00:55:33.860 did you see uh okay um we
00:55:35.740 didn't even get to react to
00:55:36.640 the pbd uh dan thing but i
00:55:38.640 think it's old news at this
00:55:39.280 point what did he say
00:55:39.900 all this stuff that's
00:55:41.020 going on dan tate doesn't
00:55:43.600 live here tate lives in
00:55:44.420 romania okay so tate us of
00:55:46.340 course you know they want
00:55:48.400 trump to be the president
00:55:49.600 tate's a trump guy he's
00:55:51.040 publicly said it do you
00:55:52.580 think all of that helps
00:55:54.160 trump's case or hurts
00:55:55.280 trump's case hurts trump's
00:55:56.840 case how do you feel
00:55:57.560 about that um not chad is
00:56:00.740 he uh early life not a big
00:56:02.300 fan of it but at the same
00:56:03.260 token i know he's early
00:56:04.300 life but is he at the same
00:56:06.320 time she's chosen her enemy
00:56:07.760 it's a it's a big freaking
00:56:09.880 enemy i know you say you
00:56:10.780 know choose them wisely but
00:56:12.240 i think there's there's
00:56:13.040 something deeper that she
00:56:13.960 has a calling for that she's
00:56:15.460 gonna go with it and how
00:56:16.260 much of it do you think it's
00:56:17.180 her how much of it do you
00:56:18.000 think is to follow now with
00:56:19.420 uh daily wire i think the
00:56:23.100 daily wire situation sparked
00:56:24.760 the fire in her that's taken
00:56:26.200 off and it's way past that
00:56:28.220 it's way ben shapiro so far
00:56:30.240 back in her in her rear view
00:56:32.180 it's insane it's like now it's
00:56:33.540 a bigger issue now he set
00:56:35.920 the flame flame and now it's
00:56:38.280 a full-on fire alarm like
00:56:40.500 it's it's insane do you
00:56:41.620 think america needs that
00:56:43.020 today what all right uh
00:56:44.720 whatever whatever um okay
00:56:50.840 let's finish the eclipse uh
00:56:53.080 debating like 20 minutes
00:56:53.960 chat let me just go just
00:56:55.300 finish these two okay okay
00:56:57.000 peterson says one thing i've
00:57:06.640 told men over and over is if
00:57:08.200 you're being rejected by all
00:57:09.060 the women that you approach
00:57:09.800 it's not the women it's you
00:57:10.520 so if i get rejected by 109
00:57:12.560 women i'm the problem you see
00:57:14.160 when you ask chat gpt if a
00:57:16.140 white man gets kicked out of
00:57:17.580 109 restaurants is it his
00:57:19.080 fault or the restaurant's fault
00:57:20.000 they said it's the white guy's
00:57:20.820 fault if you say the same
00:57:21.900 question for jews they're
00:57:22.740 like
00:57:23.380 malfunctions
00:57:26.100 chat people think i'm
00:57:29.540 jewish or something or
00:57:30.280 they think i like like i
00:57:31.420 just wear it for good luck
00:57:32.260 bro you know what i just
00:57:33.520 realized
00:57:34.560 couple baby
00:57:36.620 couple baby
00:57:38.780 wait wait wait
00:57:39.600 couple explains why he's
00:57:41.260 giving up the star of david
00:57:42.120 chain hold on okay let's
00:57:43.080 see what he says
00:57:43.380 jewish or something or
00:57:44.060 they think i like like i
00:57:45.180 just wear it for good luck
00:57:46.040 bro people think i'm like
00:57:46.960 weird i'm like a zionist
00:57:47.980 or some shit so i'm gonna
00:57:49.760 have to start wearing the
00:57:50.360 jew chain i'm gonna have
00:57:51.340 to start wearing it
00:57:51.880 because i'll just be
00:57:52.660 wearing that shit because
00:57:53.300 every time i get pulled
00:57:54.120 over and the cops see
00:57:55.480 that shit they're like
00:57:56.080 oh they're like
00:57:57.700 they're like what they
00:57:59.040 be saying from shabalat
00:57:59.900 how long no shabalat
00:58:01.420 shabalat shalom nigga you
00:58:03.220 don't even know how to
00:58:03.800 speak hebrew and you're
00:58:05.020 wearing the jew chain i
00:58:07.040 know it's shabbat shalom not
00:58:08.760 shalom
00:58:09.160 couple baby oh i'm glad he's
00:58:13.260 retiring it but i just
00:58:14.360 realized
00:58:14.900 this is what the fuck
00:58:17.000 couple look like when he
00:58:17.960 got the jew chain on
00:58:18.860 hey hey
00:58:19.640 come on
00:58:24.540 come on baby
00:58:24.980 w cuff man w cuff
00:58:27.620 glad he got rid of that
00:58:29.100 got it
00:58:30.620 all right i don't know
00:58:32.320 why did he have that
00:58:32.960 on in the first place
00:58:33.640 i don't know
00:58:34.180 whatever they say i just
00:58:35.100 be called
00:58:35.320 i'm like
00:58:36.100 shabalat shabalat shabalat
00:58:37.680 oh god i'll be like i'm a
00:58:38.660 jew god
00:58:39.240 anyway all right
00:58:40.060 so i'm glad you can
00:58:40.960 man you know just make
00:58:41.700 sure you
00:58:42.040 you drive slower or
00:58:43.460 just make sure you know
00:58:44.720 you lower those tents
00:58:45.440 and i'm like
00:58:45.760 shabalat shabalat shabalat
00:58:47.000 and you're saying
00:58:47.480 yes sir
00:58:47.800 then let me go
00:58:48.780 so that's why we're the
00:58:49.440 jew chain
00:58:49.900 maybe w coat bro that's not why how many times have you got pulled over since you got the jew
00:58:53.560 chain on twice once also how many cops are jewish have you ever seen a jewish cop this is such like
00:59:00.760 black people love to talk about how they get profiled by the police bro
00:59:05.700 i've never seen a jewish cop once why would they be cops they don't need to do oh no physical labor
00:59:12.520 i don't want to the the camera's too heavy oh oh the cuffs i can't cuff cuff them i lost the key to
00:59:22.280 the cuffs to cuff cuff them there's no such thing as a jewish cop they're dominican they're mexicans
00:59:30.020 they're irish guys and then they go home and beat their wives like
00:59:34.180 chat am i am i wrong or have you ever seen a guy like oh you were going a little fast
00:59:41.100 give me your license and registration oh do you know why i pulled you over
00:59:48.720 you were going a bit over the limit but it's okay you know why you can't have a jewish cop
00:59:54.680 i'll take a bribe you were going over the limit can you go and quench my can you wet my beak and i'll
01:00:04.440 let you go i see you got a quarter in your cup holder and then i'll let you on your way
01:00:12.440 give me the quarters give me the quarters on your under your mcdonald's bag and you could be on your
01:00:20.980 way go on i won't tell there's no such thing as a jewish cop
01:00:27.160 all right bro all right like there's a jewish conspiracy with the lapd what what what are you
01:00:46.160 talking about i need to go and get my quota that doesn't why would they need to do that
01:00:52.160 bro they're like five six five seven they're oh they have allergies
01:00:58.520 they have diabetes they have irritable bowel syndrome i can't go to shift today
01:01:05.760 i need to does anyone have a a stool honda
01:01:09.500 name one jewish cop chat name one name one okay no more jew voice i'm done
01:01:20.100 well done winslet i told you do a holocaust movie the awards come didn't i
01:01:46.920 how many jews died in the holocaust
01:01:56.220 we in poland are racist we are proud of it and let's go i don't really want any immigrants
01:02:02.720 in my country you know uh some people say there is the demographic problem in poland
01:02:08.700 winning more winning more uh young kids you know and what i'm about to say is not good
01:02:14.680 but cook yeah of course let the immigrants in let them our women huh and let's have more kids man
01:02:22.620 if you want that let's do it but i'm against that i'm against nigger wants to be the next hawk too
01:02:29.620 was so bad all the immigration i don't really like that and i'm not trying to take a risk for
01:02:36.320 immigrant people to wreck our women kill our kids uh and that would be just dangerous i don't approve
01:02:42.900 that thank you man thank you man remember when warsaw got taken over in like a day by the by the nuts
01:02:51.500 no i don't appreciate like you constantly like touching me or hugging me what are you talking
01:02:57.540 about i'm talking about i'm talking about like a friend no but it's like not it makes me feel
01:03:01.040 uncomfortable oh i'm sorry well he was trying to he was trying to sneaker method oh shaleen
01:03:05.840 yes chat i know this is peak irl i know i know that my hotel desktop streams are better
01:03:20.160 okay i'm aware these collabs here and the sneon run i know i know all right for the parasocials
01:03:26.860 i'm trying i'm trying bro i am trying okay it's not easy bro this is uh in my opinion i think this
01:03:34.580 is the best our run irl run that any streamer has had except no glaze bro and even though chat
01:03:42.960 we're in w word i gotta admit that the europe run from speed was probably the best irl run that i've
01:03:48.920 seen even though he did the fucking uh the ego thing at with power stop because kai sanat told him
01:03:54.720 to do it it's fine that was but this was close second my la run with sneon and and blueberry come on bro
01:04:02.340 as long as i'm with you i've got a smile on my face
01:04:09.000 and you guys are never gonna let it go you ain't never gonna let it go
01:04:13.920 and you know i never let it go
01:04:16.220 chat word we're in w auschwitz
01:04:21.820 chat i go to germany
01:04:22.840 chat
01:04:23.720 all right chat we're gonna go to the holocaust museum all right chat let's look at the gas
01:04:32.000 chambers let's try it all right chat how many jews died in the holocaust we're gonna try the
01:04:38.540 gas chambers
01:04:40.380 all right
01:04:45.040 all right chat how come there's wooden doors on the gas chambers it would take decades to burn this
01:04:53.140 many people alive all right
01:04:55.040 all right chat there's absolutely no way that they could have kept all the bodies in this place
01:05:03.380 save israel right save israel and when i'm back in the oval office i will support israel's right to win
01:05:15.680 it's war on terror they have to have a right to win
01:05:18.340 all right bro
01:05:20.000 all right man
01:05:22.040 and then niggas like oh we need to vote trump for the economy
01:05:25.760 we need to vote for the economy
01:05:28.000 niggas stop being poor bro
01:05:30.960 i need to vote for trump because milk costs one more dollar
01:05:35.380 niggas
01:05:36.220 niggas you voted based on milk
01:05:38.820 how poor are you
01:05:40.220 have you ever thought about i don't know making more money
01:05:43.480 is really the price of gas
01:05:45.920 that supersedes the fact that he's like pledging allegiance to israel
01:05:50.180 i can't pay for my gas
01:05:53.760 shut up
01:05:56.320 shut up
01:05:57.820 stop being poor
01:05:59.260 fixes all your problems
01:06:01.280 thank you
01:06:07.440 and i will give israel the support that it needs to win
01:06:10.540 and we'll give israel the support that it needs to win because
01:06:13.460 let's be fair
01:06:15.340 all right
01:06:15.820 all right
01:06:16.120 i do want them to win fast
01:06:17.940 wouldn't it be nice if they could win fast
01:06:19.700 and we have to let them win
01:06:20.860 jesus christ
01:06:22.180 to our enemies around the world
01:06:23.660 this is painful
01:06:24.200 we want our hostages back
01:06:25.500 and they better be back
01:06:26.400 and they better be back bigly and hugely
01:06:28.240 we need all 200 of the hostages that they
01:06:30.460 that even the times of israel admitted that
01:06:33.460 hamas told
01:06:35.120 they said that we're going to give the hostages back
01:06:37.620 but they didn't want the hostages
01:06:38.800 because they want to keep committing genocide
01:06:40.540 but uh
01:06:41.200 you know
01:06:42.440 and i'm owned by the zionist donors
01:06:44.360 and i i'm owned by apac
01:06:47.580 apac employee of the month award
01:06:50.480 that's what the presidential campaign is now
01:06:52.400 apac employee of the year
01:06:54.500 this shit is fucking corny bro
01:06:56.140 sneko help me debate harry sissison
01:06:59.540 why
01:07:01.400 why
01:07:02.560 for this
01:07:03.240 this
01:07:05.240 if kamala harris and tim waltz
01:07:13.100 are elected the radical left flag burners
01:07:15.780 and hamas sympathize
01:07:17.040 oh the flag burners
01:07:18.680 oh
01:07:19.620 the flag burners
01:07:22.320 just be causing chaos on our streets
01:07:25.340 they'll be running u.s foreign policy in the white house
01:07:28.980 and israel will be gone
01:07:30.680 it will go
01:07:31.420 it will be gone
01:07:32.180 i never thought i'd say that a year ago
01:07:33.900 even two years ago
01:07:34.940 w
01:07:35.540 i never thought i'd say it
01:07:37.440 but
01:07:38.260 israel will be gone i believe
01:07:40.140 and remember everything trump said was right
01:07:43.540 you ever see the sign
01:07:44.520 everything i said was right
01:07:45.980 i actually think it's true
01:07:47.500 i don't think he's faking it bro
01:07:50.600 look
01:07:51.640 see that last sign
01:07:53.040 everything i said was right
01:07:54.500 i actually think it's true
01:07:56.020 i don't think so man
01:07:58.040 i don't think so
01:07:59.400 someone said wallahi is faking it
01:08:01.060 what do you think
01:08:02.020 is he faking it
01:08:03.660 is he faking it yes or no
01:08:07.540 is he faking it yes or no
01:08:08.900 tell me right now
01:08:09.540 tell me right now
01:08:11.680 but the economy
01:08:14.100 sounds like a
01:08:16.920 sounds like a poor speaking
01:08:18.960 shoo poor
01:08:20.760 but i need to work three jobs to go and fill my gas tank
01:08:27.060 like
01:08:30.580 all right bro
01:08:31.880 all right
01:08:34.080 but crypto
01:08:35.820 it's crypto's going up anyway
01:08:37.700 but but
01:08:39.620 camilla's a woman
01:08:41.340 yeah she is
01:08:42.320 and that sucks
01:08:43.040 but netanyahu's the real president
01:08:44.440 so
01:08:44.840 you know
01:08:46.100 at least we can get it out the way
01:08:48.680 and she's hot
01:08:49.660 like let's be real
01:08:51.240 camilla
01:08:51.960 i i would
01:08:52.960 i would
01:08:54.180 not even like 20 years ago
01:08:55.500 at her peak
01:08:55.940 i would now
01:08:56.820 i would now
01:08:58.920 camilla looking
01:09:00.200 uh
01:09:00.680 i would be her pijit man
01:09:09.360 camilla
01:09:11.580 camilla
01:09:13.680 can a nigga pijit ya
01:09:15.440 thank you
01:09:17.060 i'm gonna be calling camilla like
01:09:20.040 do you need
01:09:22.580 a dick appointment mam
01:09:24.580 did you call for your dick appointment camilla
01:09:28.860 i'm coming for the spicy curry
01:09:31.240 mmm
01:09:31.940 it better not be stinky
01:09:34.440 okay
01:09:35.560 camilla
01:09:37.820 let's be real
01:09:39.740 yes it's a woman
01:09:41.660 and be like
01:09:42.480 oh we don't need a woman running the country
01:09:44.280 we might as well like
01:09:45.300 they're gonna do it inevitably anyway
01:09:46.740 we need to get it out
01:09:48.400 we need to just get it out
01:09:49.360 okay
01:09:49.820 chat's mad
01:09:55.380 uh
01:09:56.640 okay
01:09:59.900 is uh
01:10:00.420 is camilla hot yes or no
01:10:01.640 okay
01:10:03.100 someone said
01:10:03.480 camuto
01:10:04.080 camuto
01:10:05.460 herish
01:10:06.020 um
01:10:08.920 she would be less hot
01:10:12.060 if she talked like
01:10:12.780 trump's talking in this video right now
01:10:14.200 but if
01:10:15.140 i mean
01:10:15.720 i don't know man
01:10:16.500 i i don't
01:10:17.240 i don't
01:10:17.900 trump
01:10:19.840 give us a sign
01:10:20.420 trump if you are faking it
01:10:21.680 if you are
01:10:22.620 if you are grifting israel to get votes
01:10:24.540 if you're grifting israel to get donors
01:10:26.800 to get boners from the donors
01:10:29.100 if you're grifting israel
01:10:29.940 blink twice
01:10:31.060 let us know
01:10:31.780 trump jr you follow me on twitter
01:10:34.280 send me a dm
01:10:35.000 if your dad is
01:10:36.020 if your dad is grifting the jews
01:10:37.980 to get elected
01:10:39.040 just tell me
01:10:40.100 because this is brutal
01:10:41.000 this is brutal
01:10:41.860 it's brutal
01:10:43.260 brutal
01:10:45.040 can't watch this anymore man
01:10:48.140 would
01:10:54.200 well i would
01:10:56.040 man
01:10:56.660 shit
01:10:57.800 i'm trying to taste
01:10:59.760 i'm trying to taste her mango lassie
01:11:01.820 it's gonna be me at the camilla harris
01:11:19.040 at the at the camilla rally front row
01:11:21.000 trying to get some pussy
01:11:22.000 aoc is fucked bro
01:11:27.220 aoc is hot too man
01:11:28.520 aoc is hot as fuck
01:11:30.660 tommy
01:11:31.280 all right let me see
01:11:32.280 actually let me see
01:11:33.000 did you see the dnc rally
01:11:34.320 i didn't
01:11:35.320 she did a speech
01:11:36.360 where is she
01:11:36.900 where is she at
01:11:37.380 here it is
01:11:38.580 i didn't see this one
01:11:40.280 oh man
01:11:45.840 she's doing
01:11:46.500 she's doing a blm rally
01:11:47.800 freedom
01:11:48.840 blm
01:11:49.960 actually you know what
01:11:51.240 she's not hot
01:11:51.820 never mind
01:11:52.320 she's not hot
01:11:53.280 i don't know what the fuck
01:11:54.140 i was talking about
01:11:54.960 aoc's gotta be a creamer bro
01:12:07.720 aoc doesn't score
01:12:09.200 she's a she's a creamer
01:12:10.520 mexican pussy hits different
01:12:12.180 i ain't gonna hold
01:12:12.720 go
01:12:12.960 mexicans get creamy
01:12:15.080 but
01:12:16.020 okay
01:12:17.300 i was wrong about kamala
01:12:18.680 she's hot
01:12:22.380 yeah never mind
01:12:26.920 i don't know what i'm talking about bro
01:12:28.260 oh man
01:12:32.200 oh no i hate her
01:12:33.760 oh no
01:12:35.380 this is going to be a great week
01:12:38.200 oh no
01:12:39.900 never mind
01:12:40.560 never mind
01:12:41.200 chat
01:12:41.620 you know what
01:12:42.020 i'm gripping
01:12:42.400 i take it
01:12:43.020 i take it all back
01:12:43.840 never mind
01:12:44.340 never mind
01:12:44.860 never mind
01:12:45.440 and i want to kick us
01:12:47.680 look at look at people
01:12:48.640 fakest muslim ever
01:12:50.000 shut up faggot
01:12:51.820 what i just
01:12:52.480 i talked about
01:12:53.060 aoc having creamy pussy
01:12:54.420 you're gonna act like mexicans
01:12:55.680 don't have creamy pussy
01:12:56.620 like just because i'm muslim now
01:12:58.680 i have to act like i didn't know that
01:13:00.700 i don't know this information
01:13:01.980 everyone like
01:13:03.400 well okay maybe people don't know that
01:13:05.060 but yeah
01:13:05.680 it's off by celebrating
01:13:07.100 oh
01:13:07.380 incredible president
01:13:09.100 joe biden
01:13:10.320 shut up
01:13:12.680 who will be speaking
01:13:15.060 later tonight
01:13:16.380 joe
01:13:17.300 thank you
01:13:18.220 for your historic
01:13:19.640 leadership
01:13:20.220 for your lifetime
01:13:21.360 of service
01:13:22.040 to our nation
01:13:22.860 and for all
01:13:24.080 you will continue
01:13:25.020 to do
01:13:25.720 we are forever
01:13:27.080 grateful to you
01:13:28.340 oh yeah
01:13:28.820 she's just like
01:13:29.360 an indian hillary bro
01:13:30.380 never mind
01:13:31.680 she gives me a lizard vibe
01:13:33.300 like i never
01:13:33.900 never mind
01:13:34.680 never mind
01:13:35.520 i take that all back
01:13:36.600 i take that
01:13:37.420 i take everything
01:13:38.140 i just said back
01:13:39.180 i would not
01:13:40.080 i would not
01:13:40.740 we'll lie here
01:13:41.300 i would not
01:13:41.800 thank you
01:13:43.120 unless
01:13:43.960 and looking out
01:13:52.100 looking out
01:13:53.920 at everyone tonight
01:13:55.320 i see the beauty
01:13:57.840 of our great nation
01:13:59.920 people from
01:14:01.200 every corner
01:14:02.920 of our country
01:14:04.140 and every walk
01:14:05.440 of life
01:14:06.040 are here
01:14:06.640 united by
01:14:07.960 our shared
01:14:08.860 vision
01:14:09.440 for the future
01:14:10.520 of our country
01:14:11.640 and this november
01:14:12.980 we will come
01:14:13.820 together
01:14:14.380 and declare
01:14:15.460 with one voice
01:14:16.800 as one people
01:14:18.320 we are moving
01:14:19.660 forward
01:14:20.520 she's like
01:14:22.840 like the english
01:14:25.140 teacher obama
01:14:26.140 she's like if obama
01:14:29.520 was a gender
01:14:30.100 studies professor
01:14:30.920 by our love
01:14:31.720 of country
01:14:32.520 knowing we all
01:14:33.700 have so much
01:14:34.580 more in common
01:14:35.280 than what
01:14:35.740 separates us
01:14:36.640 let us fight
01:14:37.940 for the ideals
01:14:38.940 we hold dear
01:14:40.040 and let us
01:14:41.100 always remember
01:14:41.960 she didn't even
01:14:42.820 say anything
01:14:43.680 she's literally
01:14:45.040 said
01:14:45.640 nothing
01:14:46.700 what like
01:14:48.340 what was a policy
01:14:49.200 she introduced
01:14:49.840 what was
01:14:50.340 an ideology
01:14:51.500 she
01:14:51.820 this is the
01:14:53.540 most blanket
01:14:54.320 open script
01:14:55.660 ever where you
01:14:56.240 could just fill
01:14:56.760 up whatever
01:14:57.140 you believe in
01:14:57.860 as a liberal
01:14:58.740 who likes
01:14:59.160 black women
01:14:59.760 indian women
01:15:00.820 whatever
01:15:01.140 if you're a
01:15:01.680 fag
01:15:02.020 you could just
01:15:02.680 be like
01:15:02.880 yes
01:15:03.360 yes queen
01:15:04.480 the fuck
01:15:05.300 did she say
01:15:05.940 what are her
01:15:07.900 policies
01:15:08.420 it's incredible
01:15:09.580 that she's getting
01:15:10.160 this many votes
01:15:10.840 and she has
01:15:11.200 this much momentum
01:15:11.900 my grandma
01:15:12.840 from Haiti
01:15:13.520 called me up
01:15:14.060 today
01:15:14.240 she's like
01:15:15.340 um
01:15:15.900 sagma say
01:15:17.320 oh oh
01:15:18.100 Kamala
01:15:19.060 okay I'm doing
01:15:20.520 your making voice
01:15:21.000 anyway she said
01:15:21.600 that she thinks
01:15:22.220 Kamala's gonna win
01:15:22.960 and she has
01:15:25.140 a really good
01:15:25.660 chance man
01:15:26.340 but look how far
01:15:27.420 you can get
01:15:27.820 in American politics
01:15:28.620 without having
01:15:29.300 anything
01:15:30.080 anything at all
01:15:31.720 just saying
01:15:32.240 the right buzzwords
01:15:32.960 and smiling
01:15:33.680 and putting on
01:15:34.740 a pantsuit
01:15:35.340 when we fight
01:15:37.260 we win
01:15:38.780 god bless you
01:15:40.300 god bless you
01:15:40.780 when we fight
01:15:41.640 we win
01:15:42.140 and when she
01:15:42.540 god bless you
01:15:43.280 is she talking
01:15:43.740 about the
01:15:44.120 33 million
01:15:44.900 hindu gods
01:15:45.500 which one
01:15:46.280 is she talking
01:15:46.740 about
01:15:47.040 the united
01:15:48.300 states of
01:15:49.060 america
01:15:49.740 when we fight
01:15:50.440 we win
01:15:50.880 that's it
01:15:53.180 that's it
01:15:58.780 that's it
01:16:02.120 that's it
01:16:02.140 in this arena
01:16:06.080 the united
01:16:08.020 center
01:16:08.500 and the
01:16:09.300 crowd
01:16:10.000 is just
01:16:10.880 ecstatic
01:16:11.680 here
01:16:12.140 tens of
01:16:13.360 thousands
01:16:13.840 of democrats
01:16:14.740 delegates
01:16:15.700 activists
01:16:16.640 union
01:16:17.500 members
01:16:18.000 on their
01:16:18.780 feet
01:16:19.280 holding up
01:16:20.220 signs
01:16:20.780 from the
01:16:21.480 top of the
01:16:21.960 rafters
01:16:22.600 to down
01:16:23.060 on the
01:16:23.380 floor
01:16:23.760 dana and
01:16:24.980 abby
01:16:25.420 this is a
01:16:26.900 different
01:16:27.360 democratic
01:16:28.080 party
01:16:28.680 definitely
01:16:29.980 a different
01:16:30.600 mood
01:16:31.040 than just
01:16:31.960 four weeks
01:16:33.040 and two
01:16:33.400 days ago
01:16:34.020 is this guy
01:16:35.700 in a early
01:16:36.000 life or two
01:16:36.540 i can't stop
01:16:37.440 seeing it now
01:16:37.920 man look at
01:16:38.320 that look at
01:16:38.740 that honker
01:16:39.360 right here
01:16:40.020 we're not
01:16:42.480 gonna take him
01:16:43.120 but we're not
01:16:43.600 gonna take him
01:16:44.280 someone tell me
01:16:44.880 someone tell me
01:16:45.280 real quick
01:16:45.560 is he early
01:16:46.220 life am i
01:16:46.740 am i right
01:16:47.180 or wrong
01:16:47.480 dana the
01:16:48.680 crowd is
01:16:49.160 really excited
01:16:50.620 here it's
01:16:51.340 electric and
01:16:52.900 not to mix
01:16:53.600 metaphors but
01:16:54.500 it does feel
01:16:55.440 like something
01:16:57.140 just got
01:16:57.560 uncorked like
01:16:59.080 you know there's
01:16:59.840 just a lot of
01:17:00.500 pressure and
01:17:01.680 all of a sudden
01:17:02.280 everybody feels
01:17:03.160 free to
01:17:04.820 she said
01:17:05.340 everyone is
01:17:05.720 nutted
01:17:06.100 express their
01:17:07.000 their joy
01:17:07.700 and there's
01:17:08.860 no question
01:17:09.820 he is
01:17:10.880 i was right
01:17:11.600 he is
01:17:13.100 what's that
01:17:14.680 guy's name
01:17:15.260 this is a
01:17:17.380 feeling that
01:17:18.320 democrats
01:17:18.920 wanted to
01:17:20.040 feel
01:17:20.340 they were
01:17:21.380 searching for
01:17:22.200 this kind
01:17:22.980 of energy
01:17:24.020 and this
01:17:24.580 kind of
01:17:24.960 enthusiasm
01:17:25.640 particularly
01:17:27.360 well just
01:17:28.420 in general
01:17:28.940 but particularly
01:17:29.560 given the
01:17:30.680 republican that
01:17:31.340 they're running
01:17:31.700 against
01:17:31.960 and i think
01:17:33.820 heightened by
01:17:34.500 the fact that
01:17:35.060 they went
01:17:35.460 through a
01:17:36.360 period of
01:17:36.940 weeks of
01:17:37.580 just absolute
01:17:38.780 despair what
01:17:40.200 you're seeing in
01:17:40.820 this room are
01:17:41.440 people who have
01:17:42.360 a sense of hope
01:17:43.120 again about the
01:17:43.820 trajectory of this
01:17:44.840 race and people
01:17:46.060 who want to see
01:17:47.160 vice president
01:17:48.000 harris win i
01:17:49.580 mean you felt the
01:17:50.700 energy in the room
01:17:51.620 building as the
01:17:52.440 video was playing i
01:17:53.360 mean it was a
01:17:54.620 pre-produced
01:17:55.180 they're talking
01:17:55.640 about this like
01:17:56.160 it's sex like
01:17:57.140 this is foreplay
01:17:58.840 and video with
01:17:59.500 beyonce playing and
01:18:00.800 people were on
01:18:01.480 their feet they
01:18:02.180 were chanting
01:18:02.820 along with the
01:18:03.460 video they were
01:18:04.160 cheering along with
01:18:05.040 the video
01:18:05.380 oh shut up
01:18:06.140 shut up
01:18:07.380 did people notice
01:18:09.940 that she didn't
01:18:10.280 say anything or
01:18:10.760 no
01:18:11.020 wow
01:18:21.720 tel aviv tommy i'm
01:18:28.020 challenging you he's
01:18:29.260 a tel aviv tommy
01:18:30.320 fistfight me and
01:18:31.520 you you pick a
01:18:33.560 corner of the uk
01:18:34.860 wherever you want
01:18:35.620 i'm here whatever
01:18:37.620 you want doesn't
01:18:38.440 matter get out of
01:18:39.020 your cypress hill
01:18:39.840 you know uh mansion
01:18:41.580 when you're causing
01:18:42.740 all these fit now
01:18:43.500 these issues in the
01:18:44.380 streets here you
01:18:45.560 know but you're out
01:18:46.320 there hiding
01:18:46.840 you're hiding
01:18:48.020 you're hiding
01:18:49.820 you're hiding
01:18:50.820 me and you
01:18:52.000 let's just take it
01:18:52.660 on one-on-one
01:18:53.420 challenge sent
01:18:54.960 pick the place
01:18:55.920 in time
01:18:56.320 bruh bruh
01:19:05.920 bruh
01:19:07.920 chat who you
01:19:10.340 got in to fight
01:19:10.800 tel aviv tommy or
01:19:12.760 shake with him on
01:19:13.680 come here
01:19:14.740 come here
01:19:15.700 come here
01:19:16.360 where you going
01:19:16.800 come here
01:19:17.220 come here
01:19:18.360 come here little
01:19:18.520 bondy
01:19:18.900 little taylor swift
01:19:19.980 looking ass bitch
01:19:20.740 hey bro the
01:19:26.180 why is she out
01:19:26.700 this lady bro
01:19:27.520 why is she out
01:19:28.840 this lady
01:19:29.280 this is hollywood
01:19:30.140 bro
01:19:30.380 that's great i
01:19:34.240 apologize bro
01:19:35.080 i'm not trying to
01:19:35.800 disrespect you
01:19:36.800 he folded super
01:19:37.980 quick
01:19:38.260 i totally apologize
01:19:39.580 i totally thought
01:19:40.600 i would just
01:19:40.960 shut the fuck up
01:19:41.860 no problem sir
01:19:42.540 no problem
01:19:43.120 yeah i didn't know
01:19:45.220 this is busy
01:19:45.680 i don't want to
01:19:46.560 get into that
01:19:47.080 i didn't know
01:19:47.640 hey it's not
01:19:48.420 this is
01:19:49.180 stop the cat
01:19:49.780 going after women
01:19:50.680 bro the fuck
01:19:51.840 up
01:19:52.060 bro don't tell
01:19:54.900 me about
01:19:55.300 coming at me
01:19:55.980 you just entered
01:19:56.720 my world
01:19:57.420 all right
01:19:58.100 i apologize
01:19:59.040 for that bro
01:19:59.860 this is on camera
01:20:00.760 bro
01:20:01.180 be nice
01:20:02.280 this is my hood
01:20:02.920 bro
01:20:03.600 that's why i'm
01:20:06.860 holding the camera
01:20:07.460 bro
01:20:07.820 ain't nobody
01:20:08.320 robbing me
01:20:08.760 from this camera
01:20:09.320 he's a thousand
01:20:10.120 dollar phone
01:20:10.600 player
01:20:10.980 he starts talking
01:20:14.060 shit as soon as
01:20:14.680 he walks away
01:20:15.220 every time he
01:20:15.720 shows up
01:20:16.220 oh i apologize
01:20:16.900 brother
01:20:17.980 she's 15
01:20:23.380 what's he
01:20:23.700 hanging out
01:20:23.980 with a 15
01:20:24.440 year old
01:20:24.720 that's his
01:20:25.740 daughter
01:20:26.040 retard
01:20:26.440 who is this
01:20:26.900 guy
01:20:27.200 okay nick
01:20:28.680 tweeted uh
01:20:29.280 there's a new
01:20:29.760 trump speech right
01:20:30.300 now what did he
01:20:30.740 say
01:20:31.000 let's see let's
01:20:32.680 see if trump's
01:20:33.100 really faking it
01:20:33.800 trump on obama
01:20:35.400 i like him
01:20:36.680 he's a nice
01:20:37.440 gentleman
01:20:37.860 i respect him
01:20:39.080 and his husband
01:20:39.740 i like him
01:20:55.120 i like him
01:20:57.220 i love him
01:20:57.700 very dearly
01:20:58.280 they're gay
01:20:58.860 but
01:20:59.340 i love him
01:21:00.740 when they're
01:21:01.060 gay
01:21:01.360 what happened
01:21:02.100 to some of
01:21:02.580 these countries
01:21:03.080 what they did
01:21:03.780 but i happen
01:21:04.780 to like him
01:21:05.300 i respect him
01:21:06.300 and i respect
01:21:06.720 his wife
01:21:07.220 i like him
01:21:09.140 i like him
01:21:09.980 he's great
01:21:10.480 he's good
01:21:11.040 come on man
01:21:12.120 come on man
01:21:15.460 this stuff makes
01:21:25.080 you want to
01:21:25.340 watch like
01:21:25.840 highlight reels
01:21:26.600 of 2016
01:21:27.220 obama
01:21:27.760 the good
01:21:29.500 old days
01:21:29.900 man
01:21:30.160 the good
01:21:31.240 old days
01:21:31.800 she's fat
01:21:34.520 bro back in
01:21:35.860 the day
01:21:36.080 trump would have
01:21:36.440 been like
01:21:36.820 fuck obama
01:21:37.960 he's a nigger
01:21:38.560 don't like him
01:21:39.420 mike obama
01:21:40.220 he's a man
01:21:41.000 not good
01:21:42.360 no tits
01:21:43.260 bad tits
01:21:44.920 barack obama
01:21:47.500 he's a fucking
01:21:48.180 nigger
01:21:48.540 what is he
01:21:51.400 he's kenyan
01:21:52.760 he's a muslim
01:21:53.680 what is he
01:21:54.960 don't like him
01:21:55.780 not good
01:21:56.420 he's bad
01:21:57.880 very bad
01:21:58.460 very nigger
01:21:59.140 today
01:22:00.160 2024 trump
01:22:01.540 i love him
01:22:02.120 i love them all
01:22:03.020 love the nigs
01:22:05.060 alright
01:22:05.560 my massage
01:22:12.100 great stuff
01:22:14.580 this is amazing
01:22:15.260 this is actually
01:22:16.420 my massage
01:22:17.140 okay
01:22:17.780 let me show you
01:22:18.880 how good
01:22:19.180 i'm
01:22:19.420 massaging
01:22:21.300 people
01:22:22.320 i'm not even
01:22:22.960 joking
01:22:23.200 this is actually
01:22:23.720 so good
01:22:24.180 is it good
01:22:24.620 yeah
01:22:25.040 my massage
01:22:25.920 yeah
01:22:26.220 really bro
01:22:27.200 no one's ever
01:22:27.760 said that
01:22:28.320 bro it's actually
01:22:28.880 good
01:22:29.160 yeah
01:22:30.080 you've got a lot
01:22:31.120 tension
01:22:31.480 it looks like
01:22:32.280 i do
01:22:32.820 you do have
01:22:33.440 tension
01:22:33.860 that was great
01:22:35.360 it was fantastic
01:22:37.140 why the fuck
01:22:47.400 are you guys
01:22:48.080 putting these
01:22:48.840 clips in here
01:22:49.620 bro
01:22:50.000 what the fuck
01:22:56.940 like
01:22:57.220 my discord
01:23:07.140 is uh
01:23:07.820 why the shit
01:23:09.100 out
01:23:09.380 chicago style
01:23:10.940 that's the lady
01:23:13.000 why did he
01:23:21.400 why
01:23:21.580 look at what
01:23:24.540 he scoffed
01:23:25.280 to like
01:23:25.560 a
01:23:25.820 oh
01:23:26.500 oh my
01:23:27.240 a destiny
01:23:28.540 fan
01:23:29.080 look at his
01:23:30.220 face
01:23:30.540 oh
01:23:31.300 oh
01:23:32.300 huh
01:23:33.300 say something
01:23:36.080 say something
01:23:37.800 back to him
01:23:38.340 how do you
01:23:38.600 how do you
01:23:38.820 get pressed
01:23:39.260 like that
01:23:39.680 oh
01:23:39.980 oh
01:23:41.180 not have
01:23:46.240 mercy on the
01:23:46.860 children
01:23:47.200 how attractive
01:23:48.680 is sneko
01:23:49.240 sneko's eye
01:23:50.680 shape is slightly
01:23:51.340 too rounded
01:23:51.920 his canthal tilt
01:23:53.100 is on the lower
01:23:53.660 end and his
01:23:54.360 interpupillary
01:23:55.020 distance is low
01:23:55.960 he has masculinized
01:23:57.240 facial thirds
01:23:58.080 perfect total face
01:23:59.380 shape and a
01:24:00.040 perfect square
01:24:00.640 hairline
01:24:01.200 his cheekbones
01:24:29.180 could be higher
01:24:29.740 set
01:24:30.080 his jaw width
01:24:30.980 is slightly
01:24:31.400 unideal
01:24:32.100 and his chin
01:24:32.800 is too long
01:24:33.420 his eyebrows
01:24:34.320 are thick
01:24:34.840 dark
01:24:35.380 and positively
01:24:36.460 tilted
01:24:36.920 yes sir
01:24:37.500 sneko has a
01:24:38.060 compact facial
01:24:38.820 width to height
01:24:39.460 ratio
01:24:39.940 and a wide neck
01:24:41.020 he has a
01:24:41.740 tall ramus
01:24:42.440 and ideal
01:24:42.980 facial convexity
01:24:44.000 yes sir
01:24:44.420 his mouth
01:24:44.980 to nose width
01:24:45.600 is poor
01:24:46.180 his jaw
01:24:46.920 is slightly
01:24:47.360 obtuse
01:24:47.940 and his ears
01:24:48.760 are extremely
01:24:49.380 flared
01:24:49.920 huh
01:24:50.540 sneko is a
01:24:55.360 6.5
01:24:56.140 out of 10
01:24:56.600 facially
01:24:57.120 with 63
01:24:57.900 percent
01:24:58.360 facial harmony
01:24:59.200 a noticeably
01:24:59.940 attractive face
01:25:00.740 in the top
01:25:01.220 five percent
01:25:01.840 if you want
01:25:02.420 a facial
01:25:02.820 analysis
01:25:03.340 a noticeably
01:25:05.760 attractive face
01:25:06.540 in the top
01:25:07.040 five percent
01:25:07.660 if you want a
01:25:28.860 facial analysis
01:25:29.640 or personalized
01:25:30.380 looks maxing
01:25:31.160 advice
01:25:31.540 click the link
01:25:32.340 in my bio
01:25:32.980 imagine not
01:25:34.540 being me
01:25:35.260 you know
01:25:36.320 what I'm saying
01:25:36.640 imagine not
01:25:38.920 being a
01:25:40.060 self-made
01:25:40.880 multi-millionaire
01:25:42.280 with free speech
01:25:43.100 who's six
01:25:43.540 two and a half
01:25:44.200 sexy
01:25:44.840 mixed race
01:25:46.500 imagine
01:25:48.280 not being
01:25:50.000 me
01:25:50.880 imagine not
01:25:53.560 being
01:25:53.960 rich
01:25:54.940 successful
01:25:55.880 influential
01:25:56.740 tall
01:25:57.480 top five
01:25:58.420 percent face
01:25:59.200 with a
01:26:00.780 canthal tilt
01:26:01.680 nigga
01:26:02.220 nigga
01:26:03.800 ready for
01:26:13.840 Chad to get
01:26:14.220 mad
01:26:14.440 one question
01:26:15.260 one question
01:26:16.060 do you know
01:26:17.300 where is
01:26:18.020 the nigga
01:26:18.420 what
01:26:19.100 where is
01:26:19.660 the nigga
01:26:20.000 okay they
01:26:32.820 just paid that
01:26:33.360 black guy to do
01:26:33.900 that
01:26:34.060 I'm joking
01:26:36.840 I'm joking
01:26:37.380 bro
01:26:37.660 I'm joking
01:26:38.520 bro
01:26:38.840 it's funny
01:26:43.680 like I
01:26:44.100 actually I did
01:26:44.800 this content
01:26:45.340 back in the
01:26:45.920 day this is
01:26:46.380 like what I
01:26:46.820 blew up off
01:26:47.400 of remember
01:26:48.420 the n-word
01:26:48.800 video
01:26:49.140 I paid like
01:26:50.220 I played
01:26:51.020 black guys
01:26:51.480 on the street
01:26:51.880 no I didn't
01:26:52.380 even pay him
01:26:52.980 I was just
01:26:53.740 tweaking off
01:26:54.260 of Adderall
01:26:54.800 and I said
01:26:55.340 hey
01:26:55.920 punch it
01:26:56.660 make it look
01:26:57.240 like you're
01:26:57.500 punching a
01:26:57.920 white dude
01:26:58.420 while I
01:26:59.540 hold a dollar
01:27:00.100 and they
01:27:00.620 did like
01:27:00.900 five takes
01:27:01.620 the only
01:27:04.240 other reason
01:27:04.780 why he's
01:27:05.200 hating and
01:27:05.720 being such
01:27:06.060 a hater
01:27:06.420 is because
01:27:07.860 he's
01:27:09.640 like blocked
01:27:10.260 like trust
01:27:11.880 me I
01:27:12.240 know
01:27:12.420 all right
01:27:13.020 can't be
01:27:16.100 here with
01:27:16.460 you
01:27:16.720 based on a
01:27:17.520 comment you
01:27:17.960 made
01:27:18.360 so I
01:27:18.800 want to
01:27:19.020 ask you
01:27:19.340 about it
01:27:19.760 what
01:27:20.140 comment
01:27:20.460 it was
01:27:20.960 a comment
01:27:21.360 about
01:27:21.620 Reza
01:27:21.960 and the
01:27:22.220 Palestinians
01:27:22.720 about what
01:27:25.680 you felt
01:27:26.060 about the
01:27:26.480 kids how
01:27:26.820 they all
01:27:27.100 deserve to
01:27:27.500 be died
01:27:27.940 to die
01:27:28.480 because
01:27:28.720 they're
01:27:28.860 going to
01:27:29.000 grow up
01:27:29.280 to be
01:27:29.500 terrorists
01:27:29.960 well obviously
01:27:31.100 that was
01:27:31.620 clipped out of
01:27:32.360 context
01:27:32.620 I watched
01:27:33.580 what was the
01:27:34.200 context
01:27:34.500 no
01:27:35.120 no
01:27:36.120 that was
01:27:39.240 what it was
01:27:53.560 supposed to be
01:27:54.060 but I
01:27:54.280 was drunk
01:27:54.800 he's
01:27:57.240 backtracking
01:27:57.740 everything
01:27:58.020 he said
01:27:58.300 oh he's
01:28:07.700 not a Jew
01:28:08.100 his mom's
01:28:09.160 catholic
01:28:09.560 I always
01:28:10.800 thought he
01:28:11.060 was
01:28:11.220 oh
01:28:11.540 you know
01:28:14.840 it's funny
01:28:15.080 you guys
01:28:15.440 don't see
01:28:15.700 this
01:28:15.840 because my
01:28:16.080 face
01:28:16.300 can
01:28:16.460 is
01:28:16.540 covering
01:28:16.780 it
01:28:16.900 but every
01:28:17.380 fucking
01:28:17.780 clip
01:28:18.080 now
01:28:18.360 has to
01:28:19.220 have
01:28:19.360 this
01:28:19.560 giant
01:28:20.400 steak
01:28:21.000 logo
01:28:21.340 does this
01:28:22.700 annoy
01:28:23.040 anyone
01:28:23.360 else
01:28:23.700 am I
01:28:24.140 the only
01:28:24.440 one
01:28:24.640 like
01:28:24.780 I
01:28:24.960 just
01:28:25.240 like
01:28:25.620 fuck
01:28:26.040 man
01:28:26.360 fuck
01:28:28.620 it's
01:28:29.120 very dystopian
01:28:29.840 isn't it
01:28:31.560 what's
01:28:32.360 going to be
01:28:32.600 a community
01:28:33.400 after the
01:28:33.860 stequel
01:28:34.060 club
01:28:34.340 okay
01:28:34.720 huh
01:28:36.120 what's
01:28:36.960 going to be
01:28:37.260 a community
01:28:38.060 after the
01:28:38.540 stequel
01:28:38.720 club
01:28:39.020 okay
01:28:39.420 man
01:28:42.300 I think
01:28:47.300 for A1
01:28:47.640 straight
01:28:47.880 it was
01:28:48.240 called
01:28:48.860 the other
01:28:49.220 person
01:28:49.700 okay
01:28:51.980 according to
01:28:56.640 historical
01:28:57.100 formulas
01:28:57.620 Zendaya
01:28:57.900 is the
01:28:58.180 second
01:28:58.440 most
01:28:58.760 beautiful
01:28:59.220 female
01:28:59.700 celebrity
01:29:00.180 if only
01:29:21.600 he wasn't
01:29:22.020 lazy bro
01:29:22.660 he'd be
01:29:24.040 the perfect
01:29:24.660 pocket holder
01:29:25.780 for love
01:29:26.460 speech
01:29:26.700 wouldn't he
01:29:27.100 be the
01:29:27.360 perfect
01:29:27.700 side
01:29:28.040 I'm
01:29:28.240 joking
01:29:28.540 I'm
01:29:29.040 joking
01:29:29.320 I'm
01:29:29.460 joking
01:29:29.700 I'm
01:29:29.840 joking
01:29:30.100 but
01:29:30.420 we
01:29:30.920 could
01:29:31.040 make
01:29:31.180 some
01:29:31.340 fire
01:29:31.600 content
01:29:31.920 together
01:29:32.260 if
01:29:32.500 he
01:29:32.560 just
01:29:32.700 would
01:29:32.860 get
01:29:33.780 out
01:29:33.960 of
01:29:34.040 his
01:29:34.180 room
01:29:34.460 these
01:29:41.800 are
01:29:42.040 types
01:29:42.280 of
01:29:42.420 people
01:29:42.600 you
01:29:42.760 don't
01:29:42.940 ever
01:29:43.140 see
01:29:43.340 outside
01:29:43.800 you
01:29:44.240 do
01:29:44.440 guys
01:29:44.680 know
01:29:44.820 why
01:29:45.000 they
01:29:45.160 don't
01:29:45.260 go
01:29:45.400 outside
01:29:45.640 because
01:29:45.880 yeah
01:29:46.180 call out
01:29:47.120 those
01:29:47.400 pronouns
01:29:47.980 Aiden
01:29:48.480 tell
01:29:49.400 them
01:29:49.740 tell
01:29:50.600 those
01:29:50.960 queers
01:29:51.440 they're
01:29:52.120 going to
01:29:52.240 get
01:29:52.360 bullied
01:29:52.660 and
01:29:53.240 what
01:29:53.660 I
01:29:53.780 mean
01:29:53.960 is
01:29:54.220 if
01:29:54.900 somebody
01:29:55.300 is
01:29:55.580 trying
01:29:55.840 to
01:29:56.000 tell
01:29:56.180 me
01:29:56.300 their
01:29:56.440 pronouns
01:29:56.840 in
01:29:57.020 person
01:29:57.300 I'm
01:29:57.460 just
01:29:57.600 gonna
01:29:57.720 laugh
01:29:58.120 it's
01:29:59.820 not
01:30:00.000 gonna
01:30:00.160 work
01:30:00.420 that
01:30:00.600 way
01:30:00.800 I'm
01:30:01.080 sorry
01:30:01.260 but
01:30:01.420 it
01:30:01.480 does
01:30:01.580 not
01:30:01.720 work
01:30:01.880 that
01:30:02.040 way
01:30:02.260 and
01:30:02.800 I
01:30:02.920 blame
01:30:03.320 lockdown
01:30:04.060 for
01:30:04.320 making
01:30:04.540 people
01:30:04.960 mentally
01:30:05.760 confused
01:30:06.420 and
01:30:06.980 mentally
01:30:07.280 ill
01:30:07.640 over
01:30:07.980 they
01:30:08.080 were
01:30:08.160 doing
01:30:08.300 that
01:30:08.460 a long
01:30:09.100 before
01:30:09.420 lockdown
01:30:09.780 all right
01:30:10.120 debate
01:30:10.360 time
01:30:10.600 chat
01:30:10.900 ready
01:30:12.100 for
01:30:12.260 the
01:30:12.360 debate
01:30:12.720 Islam
01:30:13.940 versus
01:30:14.260 Christianity
01:30:14.600 who you
01:30:15.320 got
01:30:15.500 who you
01:30:15.720 got
01:30:15.820 Andrew
01:30:17.220 Wilson
01:30:17.500 just
01:30:17.680 text him
01:30:17.920 I think
01:30:18.080 he's
01:30:18.180 ready
01:30:18.380 yes
01:30:21.580 he's
01:30:21.820 ready
01:30:22.100 and
01:30:22.960 let's
01:30:23.240 see
01:30:23.460 if
01:30:23.880 Muscle
01:30:25.780 lantern
01:30:26.000 is
01:30:26.140 ready
01:30:26.340 you didn't
01:30:26.880 text him
01:30:27.120 back
01:30:27.280 yeah
01:30:27.380 let me
01:30:27.560 go
01:30:27.760 pick up
01:30:29.980 pick up
01:30:31.020 because if
01:30:31.440 if Muscle
01:30:32.560 lantern
01:30:32.800 is not
01:30:33.480 ready
01:30:33.720 then they're
01:30:34.120 gonna say
01:30:34.500 that uh
01:30:35.180 we're
01:30:35.400 running
01:30:35.620 and I'm
01:30:35.940 gonna have
01:30:36.140 to debate
01:30:36.480 and I'm
01:30:37.740 not prepared
01:30:38.600 actually I am
01:30:39.940 I am
01:30:40.420 I can do
01:30:40.820 it
01:30:41.120 but I just
01:30:42.380 want to
01:30:42.600 moderate
01:30:42.820 I just
01:30:43.020 want to
01:30:43.160 host it
01:30:43.580 but chat
01:30:44.880 who you
01:30:45.160 got
01:30:45.500 Christians
01:30:47.040 or Muslims
01:30:47.720 chat
01:30:48.220 Christians
01:30:50.220 or Muslims
01:30:51.120 W
01:30:52.900 Trinity
01:30:53.520 El
01:30:56.880 Christ
01:30:58.460 is
01:30:58.680 king
01:30:59.040 chat
01:30:59.540 numerology
01:31:01.460 Muslim
01:31:06.680 lantern
01:31:06.900 no
01:31:07.280 no
01:31:08.880 no
01:31:11.840 here we
01:31:16.920 go with the
01:31:17.300 running
01:31:17.520 allegations
01:31:18.120 ain't no
01:31:18.800 way
01:31:19.120 bro
01:31:19.680 ain't no
01:31:26.580 way
01:31:27.060 bro
01:31:27.560 the Muslims
01:31:30.520 are running
01:31:31.200 all right
01:31:31.960 okay here we
01:31:34.480 go we got
01:31:34.820 something
01:31:35.020 ducking
01:31:35.420 great
01:31:35.780 great
01:31:36.200 great
01:31:36.580 great
01:31:36.860 great
01:31:37.160 great
01:31:37.400 great
01:31:37.780 great
01:31:38.080 great
01:31:38.400 great
01:31:38.780 great
01:31:39.400 great
01:31:39.640 let me call
01:31:40.040 Andrew
01:31:40.260 Wilson
01:31:40.520 ain't no
01:31:41.340 fucking
01:31:42.060 way
01:31:42.400 boy
01:31:42.720 boy
01:31:43.120 ain't no
01:31:43.560 way
01:31:43.840 boy
01:31:44.260 boy
01:31:45.800 ain't no
01:31:46.280 way
01:31:46.580 boy
01:31:46.900 he probably
01:31:47.360 just saw
01:31:47.820 maybe it's
01:31:48.620 maybe it's
01:31:48.940 prayer time
01:31:49.380 or something
01:31:49.740 hey don't
01:31:50.480 say clickbait
01:31:51.140 don't say
01:31:51.940 clickbait
01:31:52.320 we confirmed
01:31:52.880 it earlier
01:31:53.280 today
01:31:53.600 oh let me
01:31:53.980 call Andrew
01:31:54.360 Wilson
01:31:54.620 let me call
01:31:56.020 Andrew
01:31:56.300 Wilson
01:31:56.540 call
01:32:16.520 shake
01:32:16.800 with
01:32:16.940 man
01:32:17.120 for
01:32:17.260 backup
01:32:17.600 brian
01:32:18.180 i might
01:32:18.560 text him
01:32:18.960 and see
01:32:19.160 if he
01:32:19.340 can do
01:32:19.580 backup
01:32:19.840 right
01:32:20.040 now
01:32:20.280 oh he
01:32:24.260 just
01:32:24.420 okay
01:32:24.720 okay
01:32:24.960 he texted
01:32:25.300 me
01:32:25.400 let's
01:32:25.540 go
01:32:25.820 he said
01:32:26.160 give me
01:32:26.380 a sec
01:32:26.760 let's
01:32:29.620 go
01:32:29.800 we're
01:32:30.360 saved
01:32:30.680 christians
01:32:34.120 are
01:32:34.320 running
01:32:34.760 is
01:32:38.720 are
01:32:43.460 there
01:32:43.660 w
01:32:46.840 islam
01:32:47.620 w
01:32:49.640 jihad
01:32:50.340 chat
01:32:50.900 r
01:32:52.020 chat
01:32:52.620 now
01:32:52.940 i'm
01:32:53.100 a
01:32:53.260 muslim
01:32:53.660 god
01:32:54.180 is
01:32:54.360 good
01:32:54.900 god
01:32:55.840 god
01:32:55.860 is
01:32:56.020 great
01:32:56.500 w
01:32:57.460 allah
01:32:58.080 right
01:32:58.340 now
01:32:58.620 in the
01:32:58.940 chat
01:32:59.360 all right
01:33:00.080 chat
01:33:00.460 all right
01:33:02.500 chat
01:33:02.940 jesus was
01:33:03.960 just a prophet
01:33:04.880 he wasn't
01:33:06.060 divine
01:33:06.640 how could he be
01:33:08.540 the son of
01:33:09.100 god
01:33:09.420 all right
01:33:13.460 chat
01:33:13.800 the age of
01:33:15.040 consent
01:33:15.320 is
01:33:16.140 whoa
01:33:20.480 whoa
01:33:20.640 he said
01:33:26.340 hang on a
01:33:26.840 minute
01:33:27.000 all right
01:33:27.320 they're
01:33:27.480 both
01:33:27.720 uh
01:33:28.360 i don't
01:33:29.940 know
01:33:30.280 i don't
01:33:31.740 know
01:33:32.200 yeah but i'm
01:33:39.420 moderating
01:33:39.740 gonna keep it
01:33:40.180 fair
01:33:40.340 okay
01:33:42.240 uh
01:33:42.480 muscle man
01:33:42.800 sir
01:33:42.920 trying to
01:33:43.160 connect
01:33:43.320 his
01:33:43.460 headphone
01:33:43.920 they're
01:33:44.220 both
01:33:44.420 like
01:33:44.640 they're
01:33:45.080 both
01:33:45.240 doing
01:33:45.480 technical
01:33:46.060 difficulties
01:33:46.440 right now
01:33:46.880 let's
01:33:48.660 see
01:33:48.840 is
01:33:49.080 all
01:33:49.260 you know
01:33:52.420 okay look at
01:33:52.840 this right now
01:33:53.160 there's 8.2k
01:33:54.100 watching
01:33:54.480 yesterday
01:33:55.160 i was grinding
01:33:56.300 with the
01:33:56.700 irl stream
01:33:57.300 and i think
01:33:57.640 we touched
01:33:58.040 6k
01:33:59.100 bro
01:34:01.200 yesterday
01:34:01.960 also ways
01:34:02.720 is better
01:34:03.060 there was a
01:34:03.920 security guard
01:34:04.400 yesterday in the
01:34:04.820 irl stream
01:34:05.340 and he saw
01:34:05.840 him like
01:34:06.120 filming
01:34:06.380 we're trying
01:34:06.720 to get
01:34:06.880 into the
01:34:07.160 club
01:34:07.380 and he
01:34:08.380 flashes
01:34:08.740 green light
01:34:09.280 right in
01:34:09.640 ways
01:34:09.860 his eye
01:34:10.200 and ways
01:34:11.200 like the
01:34:11.500 whole day
01:34:11.820 was like
01:34:12.200 after the
01:34:12.800 stream
01:34:12.900 like
01:34:13.060 blinking
01:34:13.380 oh my god
01:34:14.020 my eye
01:34:14.500 and i'm
01:34:14.760 like
01:34:14.940 this nigga
01:34:15.600 is trying
01:34:15.980 to
01:34:16.160 he's trying
01:34:17.440 to get
01:34:17.640 a lawsuit
01:34:18.100 he's trying
01:34:18.820 to get me
01:34:19.080 to pay
01:34:19.380 for his
01:34:19.700 lasik eye
01:34:20.180 surgery
01:34:20.500 huh
01:34:20.740 but today
01:34:21.320 he's fine
01:34:21.760 god
01:34:22.560 hummed
01:34:23.980 to love
01:34:24.120 for that
01:34:24.460 how annoying
01:34:26.860 is that
01:34:27.160 like i travel
01:34:27.940 all these places
01:34:28.540 and i get
01:34:29.100 more viewers
01:34:29.720 yapping
01:34:30.660 in the hotel
01:34:31.480 room than
01:34:31.940 when i go
01:34:32.360 outside
01:34:32.740 and try
01:34:33.060 hard
01:34:33.280 you know
01:34:33.540 how fucking
01:34:33.820 annoying
01:34:34.060 that is
01:34:34.460 super
01:34:35.900 annoying
01:34:36.300 bro
01:34:37.140 i don't
01:34:40.560 plan anything
01:34:45.920 for like
01:34:46.440 when i yap
01:34:47.120 for two hours
01:34:48.040 at desktop
01:34:48.520 like i'm doing
01:34:48.920 right now
01:34:49.240 i don't plan
01:34:49.820 anything
01:34:50.140 i don't
01:34:51.100 i spark up
01:34:51.780 and yap
01:34:52.120 you know
01:34:53.040 i do it
01:34:53.700 outside
01:34:54.180 all this stuff
01:34:55.000 i don't get
01:34:55.720 what you're saying
01:34:56.000 get what you're
01:34:56.360 saying
01:34:56.460 but yeah
01:34:58.060 glad ways
01:34:58.540 is better
01:34:58.880 glad ways
01:34:59.520 is better
01:34:59.920 stream earlier
01:35:02.920 for americans
01:35:03.640 what time is it
01:35:04.820 in america
01:35:05.140 right now
01:35:05.380 like five
01:35:06.000 stop ducking
01:35:09.380 sam
01:35:09.680 hey bro
01:35:10.280 samson
01:35:11.340 sam said
01:35:12.300 he was busy
01:35:13.040 until
01:35:13.940 for like
01:35:15.100 three more
01:35:15.660 fortnights
01:35:16.260 i mailed him
01:35:17.420 a pigeon
01:35:17.780 because he
01:35:18.300 doesn't know
01:35:18.620 how to use
01:35:18.880 discord
01:35:19.220 or twitter
01:35:19.620 we skyped
01:35:21.200 him
01:35:21.320 we skype
01:35:21.880 messaged
01:35:22.280 him
01:35:22.540 in 2024
01:35:23.640 we downloaded
01:35:24.460 skype
01:35:24.820 messaged
01:35:25.060 him
01:35:25.180 and he
01:35:25.320 said
01:35:25.420 he's
01:35:25.560 busy
01:35:25.800 for the
01:35:26.280 next
01:35:26.420 two
01:35:26.660 months
01:35:26.940 but he's
01:35:27.400 not busy
01:35:27.760 enough
01:35:27.900 to be
01:35:28.180 like
01:35:28.480 tweeting
01:35:29.180 you're
01:35:29.960 kissing
01:35:30.260 a stone
01:35:30.940 okay
01:35:33.760 he's busy
01:35:34.460 so he ran
01:35:35.340 all right
01:35:36.060 we're ready
01:35:36.380 to do it
01:35:36.680 whenever
01:35:36.980 muscle manager
01:35:37.840 said he would
01:35:38.200 do it
01:35:38.460 okay
01:35:41.560 and before we get
01:35:44.100 into the debate
01:35:44.580 i gotta be honest
01:35:45.320 bro
01:35:45.520 you know what
01:35:46.860 let me not do
01:35:47.320 the you guys
01:35:47.880 know the app
01:35:48.320 you guys know
01:35:48.780 the app
01:35:49.080 all right
01:35:50.480 and you will
01:35:50.820 said okay
01:35:51.200 i'm ready
01:35:51.480 sorry
01:35:51.820 and muscle manager
01:35:57.380 is getting
01:35:57.600 tight bones
01:35:57.980 i'll call
01:35:58.340 i'll call
01:35:58.720 him
01:35:59.860 hey what's
01:36:09.740 going on
01:36:10.000 Andrew
01:36:10.220 hey what's
01:36:11.840 up
01:36:12.000 it was
01:36:12.400 long time
01:36:12.800 no see
01:36:13.160 how you
01:36:13.420 doing
01:36:13.640 yeah
01:36:13.840 how you
01:36:14.060 been
01:36:14.220 can you
01:36:14.740 hear me
01:36:14.980 everything's
01:36:15.300 good
01:36:15.540 i can hear
01:36:17.120 you're a bit
01:36:17.640 lagged
01:36:18.200 not bad
01:36:19.220 but a little
01:36:19.580 bit
01:36:19.880 um do
01:36:21.880 you think
01:36:22.120 it's your
01:36:22.580 why
01:36:23.220 let me see
01:36:24.200 my camera's
01:36:24.800 lagging
01:36:25.040 is my voice
01:36:25.860 clear
01:36:26.120 yeah your
01:36:28.000 voice is
01:36:28.380 clear just
01:36:28.940 occasionally
01:36:29.340 your camera
01:36:29.800 lags a bit
01:36:30.400 oh okay
01:36:31.140 i'll just
01:36:31.660 it's not
01:36:31.980 bad
01:36:32.260 yeah my
01:36:33.160 camera is a
01:36:33.660 priority anyway
01:36:34.240 for uh
01:36:35.200 when we get
01:36:35.540 into the debate
01:36:35.920 muscle manager
01:36:36.400 is setting up
01:36:37.060 his headphones
01:36:37.600 right now
01:36:37.960 so but
01:36:39.180 how you been
01:36:39.680 you're
01:36:40.760 you know
01:36:41.960 what you've
01:36:42.340 been up to
01:36:42.560 you're you're
01:36:43.080 showing up
01:36:43.500 more on my
01:36:43.960 on my
01:36:44.280 algorithm
01:36:44.640 than before
01:36:46.060 like when i
01:36:46.480 first met
01:36:46.820 you
01:36:47.020 oh yeah
01:36:48.820 well are you
01:36:50.220 enjoying the
01:36:50.660 content sneaker
01:36:51.500 some of it
01:36:52.820 not all of it
01:36:53.500 some of it's
01:36:54.360 not all of it
01:36:54.880 not all of it
01:36:55.540 no
01:36:55.720 but i'm gonna
01:36:58.060 be a fair
01:36:58.460 moderator i'm
01:36:59.100 not gonna some
01:36:59.660 people think it's
01:37:00.160 a 2v1 debate
01:37:00.920 i'm just gonna be
01:37:01.600 here moderating
01:37:02.300 and um making
01:37:03.820 sure it's a good
01:37:04.280 conversation it
01:37:04.940 doesn't get um
01:37:05.940 you know
01:37:06.800 uncivil
01:37:07.900 gotcha no
01:37:10.240 problem um
01:37:11.520 and you're okay
01:37:12.440 discussing i guess
01:37:13.420 we can we can
01:37:14.040 talk about discussion
01:37:14.820 points but we
01:37:15.280 talked about this
01:37:15.800 earlier for the
01:37:16.340 chat that doesn't
01:37:16.840 know we said
01:37:17.920 that we're gonna
01:37:18.260 cover the
01:37:19.020 trinity and
01:37:19.820 the age of
01:37:20.200 consent yeah
01:37:21.560 so we do the
01:37:22.160 age of consent
01:37:22.780 first um he's
01:37:24.640 defense for that
01:37:25.620 and then trinity uh
01:37:27.480 i'm defense for
01:37:28.340 trinity 45 minutes
01:37:30.240 oh what do you
01:37:30.760 what do you mean
01:37:31.140 defense because
01:37:31.780 there's a weak
01:37:32.520 point no no
01:37:34.240 no so um so
01:37:36.560 essentially he he's
01:37:39.580 taking the position
01:37:40.560 on aoc the muslim
01:37:42.060 position of the
01:37:43.100 age of consent
01:37:43.820 i'm uh going
01:37:46.020 after that position
01:37:46.960 and then on the
01:37:48.400 trinity i'm taking
01:37:49.720 the position
01:37:50.160 trinity is true
01:37:50.900 he's going after
01:37:51.520 that position
01:37:52.260 okay and uh 45
01:37:54.340 minutes each topic
01:37:55.180 yeah you do 45
01:37:57.520 minutes or an hour
01:37:58.500 each topic's fine
01:37:59.380 uh let's let's do
01:38:01.200 45 because it gets
01:38:02.220 a little yappy
01:38:04.080 okay yeah
01:38:06.860 but yeah wait did
01:38:08.940 you cover the um
01:38:09.820 the moist critical
01:38:11.140 debate yet
01:38:11.780 i have not i was
01:38:14.320 i was starting to
01:38:15.120 cover it on youtube
01:38:15.940 but i was like no
01:38:17.600 no fucking way dude
01:38:18.540 youtube's gonna let
01:38:19.300 me let me actually
01:38:21.100 keep this up because
01:38:22.140 of the type of
01:38:22.860 language that's used
01:38:23.620 so i'm gonna do a
01:38:24.340 rumble stream and
01:38:25.840 literally just go over
01:38:27.200 the rumble stream
01:38:28.040 well what's the
01:38:29.200 daniel higikachu i
01:38:30.460 was able to um he
01:38:31.860 covered the whole
01:38:32.260 thing on his not the
01:38:33.940 whole thing so he
01:38:34.680 covered someone else's
01:38:35.520 review of it so maybe
01:38:36.600 that was why he was
01:38:37.840 able to keep it on
01:38:38.480 youtube
01:38:39.040 well as you as you
01:38:41.220 may know um some
01:38:43.240 content creators get
01:38:44.240 a pass and some
01:38:44.940 content creators do
01:38:45.980 not get a pass
01:38:46.740 why do you think uh
01:38:49.240 he gets a pass and
01:38:50.520 you don't
01:38:50.940 uh um well i'm not
01:38:54.800 sure i think that his
01:38:55.760 the content he makes
01:38:56.720 is pretty tame
01:38:57.440 generally
01:38:57.940 he goes pretty um
01:39:00.160 he's done debates on
01:39:01.240 the talmud he's done
01:39:02.120 deep drives on he goes
01:39:03.220 pretty hard on zionism
01:39:04.080 which just seems like
01:39:05.160 the most forbidden
01:39:05.700 topic on youtube
01:39:06.460 uh well it depends
01:39:09.620 on who's covering it
01:39:10.520 if leftists are
01:39:11.500 covering zionism they
01:39:12.440 don't seem to care if
01:39:13.460 right wingers are
01:39:14.120 covering zionism they
01:39:15.140 seem to care
01:39:15.780 do you consider guys
01:39:17.280 like uh uh daniel
01:39:19.180 higikachu you consider
01:39:19.880 him a leftist
01:39:20.380 no i wouldn't say he's
01:39:22.660 a left winger
01:39:23.180 yeah i don't think so
01:39:24.400 either
01:39:24.600 yeah i wouldn't say he's
01:39:26.640 a left winger but i
01:39:27.400 think he keeps everything
01:39:28.260 in the domain of debate
01:39:29.380 uh i couldn't tell you
01:39:31.220 like i don't watch a lot
01:39:32.100 of the guys content so
01:39:33.660 i'm not sure exactly
01:39:34.660 why um i'm not sure
01:39:38.120 exactly why that you
01:39:39.240 know he they they
01:39:40.200 allow that to go on
01:39:40.920 but i just don't take
01:39:41.800 extravagant risks on
01:39:42.800 youtube it's not a good
01:39:43.620 idea it's definitely
01:39:44.480 not that's uh that's a
01:39:45.480 smart move i had to
01:39:46.480 tell my friend um the
01:39:47.780 warner yesterday he was
01:39:49.360 uh he took a video in
01:39:50.660 bosnia he's like look
01:39:51.860 how beautiful it is here
01:39:52.740 there's no zionist here
01:39:54.160 there's no jews here
01:39:55.100 and i'm like you should
01:39:55.980 take down that video he's
01:39:56.920 like smiling like there's
01:39:58.260 no jews here like
01:39:59.420 definitely don't post
01:40:00.720 that bro and he's just
01:40:01.800 like laughing it off but
01:40:02.700 i think he was able to
01:40:03.540 keep it up but um
01:40:06.140 yeah i saw that i saw
01:40:07.380 that you were walking
01:40:08.160 down the street or
01:40:08.840 something and then and
01:40:10.200 you said something to
01:40:11.000 like a random guy and
01:40:12.100 he's like no that was a
01:40:13.860 different video that was
01:40:15.120 a different video yeah
01:40:15.940 that was yesterday yeah
01:40:17.120 yeah yesterday in albania
01:40:18.120 some guy just yelled
01:40:18.820 fuck the jews on the
01:40:19.800 street i'm like what the
01:40:20.680 and he doubled down on
01:40:22.280 it people are i did not
01:40:23.620 realize like the people
01:40:24.640 in the balkans are i
01:40:26.740 want to say based but
01:40:27.840 that's the well that
01:40:30.100 they're this you know
01:40:31.560 to have this much free
01:40:32.420 speech over here well
01:40:34.100 yeah dude well
01:40:34.720 judaism is anathematized
01:40:36.380 by the orthodox church
01:40:37.660 and the balkans very
01:40:38.440 much orthodox are you
01:40:40.020 are you orthodox or
01:40:40.820 catholic orthodox oh
01:40:43.420 okay okay okay um yeah
01:40:45.300 they don't like uh i'm in
01:40:47.820 albania they don't like a
01:40:48.700 lot of i don't know i
01:40:50.460 don't want to say that
01:40:51.200 completely but i've heard
01:40:52.200 negative things about
01:40:52.800 orthodox people here
01:40:53.520 there's a lot of like
01:40:54.700 there's a lot more beef in
01:40:55.980 this region um between
01:40:58.260 the faiths than i knew
01:41:00.020 beforehand well yeah
01:41:01.700 muslims and orthodox
01:41:02.700 don't like each other
01:41:03.460 it's the general rule
01:41:04.360 it seems like there's
01:41:05.760 more of an alliance
01:41:06.380 between muslims and
01:41:07.020 catholics but we should
01:41:08.180 all just be friends huh
01:41:09.140 we should all just we
01:41:10.080 all believe in god you
01:41:11.420 know we have uh we
01:41:12.860 both believe that jesus
01:41:13.940 is gonna defeat the
01:41:15.680 doll defeat the
01:41:16.520 antichrist so we're
01:41:17.760 that's what i think the
01:41:18.680 love speech community
01:41:19.260 should be about we
01:41:20.000 should focus on unity
01:41:21.640 more than differences
01:41:22.820 even though we're about
01:41:23.580 to go and talk about
01:41:24.380 our differences in this
01:41:25.080 debate you think you
01:41:26.660 think so i i think it's
01:41:28.420 more effective because i
01:41:29.520 right right now in this
01:41:30.260 debate it's going to be
01:41:30.980 entertaining i'm sure
01:41:31.700 there's going to be good
01:41:32.160 points on on either side
01:41:33.160 muscle lanterns ready
01:41:33.900 uh i'm in a sec but i
01:41:36.320 think both people everyone
01:41:37.200 who's watching this debate
01:41:38.020 is not looking to be
01:41:38.840 convinced i think all the
01:41:39.960 muslims are just like
01:41:40.820 they're watching it's like
01:41:41.900 the lakers versus the
01:41:42.860 knicks they're just
01:41:43.700 supporting their team i
01:41:44.660 don't think anyone's
01:41:45.200 gonna we'll see i mean
01:41:46.640 it's supposed to be able
01:41:47.480 to convince people but i
01:41:48.780 think people's root like
01:41:49.660 it's a sports game yeah
01:41:52.780 well i think um i think
01:41:54.240 people can be swayed much
01:41:55.480 easier through politics than
01:41:57.180 they can through religion
01:41:58.120 um they're more set in
01:42:00.820 their religious beliefs
01:42:01.640 and their political
01:42:02.220 beliefs that's why i
01:42:03.080 usually take um take on
01:42:05.540 political debates and not
01:42:06.560 religious debates i'm not
01:42:07.500 an apologist by any means
01:42:08.820 is this your first
01:42:10.800 religious debate it's my
01:42:12.360 first uh yeah it's my
01:42:13.440 first time doing entering
01:42:14.940 into the realm of
01:42:15.980 apologetics yeah oh this
01:42:17.540 is good did you see the
01:42:18.300 um the recent one with
01:42:19.380 uh daniel higikachu versus
01:42:20.820 uh sam dyer yeah yeah
01:42:23.220 yeah what do you think i
01:42:24.220 didn't get to watch that
01:42:25.020 i've been very busy i
01:42:26.260 thought that sam sam got
01:42:27.600 way way more points than
01:42:28.940 than they did uh but i
01:42:30.680 did think that they
01:42:31.260 avoided the topic of the
01:42:32.220 trinity yeah this is
01:42:33.720 that's why i wanted to
01:42:34.360 cover it in this one
01:42:35.040 because they didn't um
01:42:36.960 cover it all here i don't
01:42:38.020 even know what your
01:42:38.580 position is on the age of
01:42:39.480 consent because you're
01:42:40.760 you're pretty adamant on
01:42:41.740 discussing this and it
01:42:42.880 seemed like you agreed
01:42:43.520 with me on moist critical
01:42:44.600 but maybe you just think
01:42:46.480 that i destroyed him with
01:42:47.260 the the transgender
01:42:48.320 argument you know in
01:42:49.360 that comparison well i'm
01:42:50.740 not saying that i agree
01:42:51.860 with what you with what
01:42:53.500 you think on the age of
01:42:54.560 consent that doesn't mean
01:42:56.240 that i can't be objective
01:42:57.080 about who won or who
01:42:58.480 didn't win a debate
01:42:59.740 that's fair all you have
01:43:01.360 to do is have better
01:43:02.200 arguments it doesn't even
01:43:03.360 mean that um that i agree
01:43:05.520 with your arguments i you
01:43:07.040 just have to have better
01:43:07.800 ones okay let's add them
01:43:10.920 to the call i'm gonna i
01:43:12.120 think i have to make a new
01:43:13.160 one when i get them in
01:43:14.320 here let me see
01:43:16.860 all right let's see if
01:43:44.900 he's i'm gonna send him
01:43:45.640 the text yeah i'll set up
01:43:51.440 a 45 minute timer and
01:43:52.920 we'll yeah we'll keep it
01:43:53.700 free flowing that's what i
01:43:54.940 don't like about oh he's
01:43:55.820 not joining what the hell
01:43:56.680 you already know what
01:44:05.760 they're gonna be saying
01:44:06.260 right now
01:44:06.720 there we go
01:44:13.860 hey alaikum salam how are
01:44:17.400 you
01:44:17.660 alhamdulillah how are you
01:44:19.100 i'm very good i'm very
01:44:20.400 good um it's good to be
01:44:21.480 back in london
01:44:22.080 yeah yeah yeah i'm a bit
01:44:25.320 jet lagged but it's okay
01:44:26.320 you know this this course
01:44:28.100 thing always confuses me
01:44:29.500 because it puts me on the
01:44:30.640 opposite side you know
01:44:31.580 switch is kind of uh the
01:44:33.320 camera and i couldn't ever
01:44:34.280 get it to be normal you
01:44:36.260 know yeah reverses why do
01:44:38.200 you like your other side
01:44:39.080 better
01:44:39.360 no no it's just like because
01:44:41.400 i'm used to it because i'm
01:44:42.380 always streaming on that
01:44:43.340 site so when you have a
01:44:44.200 different size like just
01:44:45.340 looks confusing yeah it's
01:44:46.460 jarring but yeah yeah it's
01:44:48.700 good uh it's kind of weird
01:44:50.020 seeing you through the screen
01:44:50.720 again because we got to
01:44:51.580 spend uh quite a bit of time
01:44:52.580 together uh past couple days
01:44:54.320 bosnia was great i mean uh how
01:44:56.920 was your trip
01:44:57.360 it was amazing uh i honestly
01:45:00.740 love bosnia every single thing
01:45:02.700 about bosnia you know uh the
01:45:04.580 food amazing people uh some of
01:45:07.200 the best people i've met very
01:45:08.740 welcoming very accepting even
01:45:10.720 though they've been through this
01:45:11.980 vicious history uh there's very
01:45:13.880 well known the genocides that
01:45:15.040 happened etc so they're still
01:45:16.500 very optimistic people uh
01:45:18.780 beautiful country beautiful
01:45:19.940 mountains great weather uh like
01:45:22.660 everything was great you know
01:45:23.620 that's your complaints literally
01:45:25.080 uh so alhamdulillah i think you
01:45:27.980 enjoyed it as well that was my
01:45:29.700 experience at least yeah it was
01:45:32.020 great um all right for for time's
01:45:35.040 sake let's uh let's let's get
01:45:36.600 right into the into the
01:45:38.020 discussion slash debate yeah so i
01:45:40.540 want to i want to make sure
01:45:41.540 though that we're clear uh before
01:45:43.840 the debate starts that uh there is
01:45:47.120 a trinity portion of this and
01:45:48.760 there's an age of consent portion
01:45:50.200 to this we're starting with the age
01:45:51.640 of consent portion that portion
01:45:53.800 you're on defense and on the trinity
01:45:55.500 portion i am on defense i want to
01:45:57.220 make sure that we're clear on the
01:45:58.180 rules
01:45:58.540 well yeah uh we didn't really speak
01:46:01.820 about which one is first but i don't
01:46:03.420 mind you want to start with the age of
01:46:04.660 consent and we can can start um the
01:46:07.860 other other things is that we had a
01:46:10.000 bit of a talk when you called sneaker
01:46:12.280 when we were in bosnia we mentioned
01:46:14.320 one of the conditions to me which i want
01:46:16.380 to highlight is a insulting uh of the
01:46:19.260 prophet muhammad it is not something
01:46:21.840 that i would personally accept that's
01:46:23.660 a religious tenant of ours as muslims
01:46:25.600 generally that allah says in the quran
01:46:27.120 if you hear whether it is the verses
01:46:29.200 of allah or your religion being mocked
01:46:30.920 that you do not be present in that
01:46:32.180 place
01:46:32.460 so if uh so okay well the thing is is uh
01:46:36.200 like i told you on the phone when we
01:46:38.480 were discussing this because of the
01:46:40.480 sensitivity of how sensitive muslims tend
01:46:43.060 to be about this i need to be able to
01:46:45.300 openly and freely speak exactly what it
01:46:47.840 is that i think and why it is not
01:46:49.600 making an argument if you take offense
01:46:51.760 to that there's nothing i can do about
01:46:53.140 that but i'm going to speak freely in
01:46:55.340 this debate
01:46:55.840 yeah okay so it's not uh speaking freely
01:47:00.000 or not speaking freely you can speak
01:47:01.540 freely academically mention facts
01:47:03.180 mention sources mention evidences but
01:47:05.580 insulting and speaking freely are two
01:47:07.100 separate things
01:47:07.660 yes but the problem the problem is is
01:47:10.120 that these are subjective metrics and
01:47:11.860 what you subjectively consider to be
01:47:13.380 offensive i can't do anything about
01:47:16.260 like i could i can't objectively note
01:47:19.460 what would be considered offensive to a
01:47:21.220 muslim if i talk about muhammad i can't i
01:47:23.300 can't know what that would be
01:47:24.740 i'll give you i'll give you a few
01:47:25.860 examples for instance use uh cursing words
01:47:29.060 cursing slurs uh make fun of uh the
01:47:32.100 prophet's uh actions or behavior
01:47:34.500 specifically make fun of his uh looks
01:47:38.180 right uh these insinuations these types of
01:47:41.140 things is what i'm talking about you don't
01:47:42.500 objectively talk about facts you're
01:47:43.860 welcome to do that uh and i think you're
01:47:45.620 a very smart person so to say that you're
01:47:47.380 not able to distinguish between why is an
01:47:49.460 insult towards my i don't think that's
01:47:50.820 that's really true i think you can i'm not
01:47:53.380 talking about the muslims who go get
01:47:56.020 offended by anything you say i'm not that
01:47:57.940 type of person but when you get uh
01:48:00.500 insulting and malicious that's a very
01:48:02.820 clear thing that we both know what it is
01:48:04.660 it's not very clear and i'm not willing to
01:48:07.460 concede that i'm clear on what that means
01:48:09.220 because it is a subjective metric and what
01:48:12.180 you may consider insulting towards your
01:48:13.940 prophet may not be what i consider to be an
01:48:17.060 insult towards your prophet so this is a
01:48:19.380 subjective metric if there's anything i say
01:48:22.020 which you take offense to that is not on me i'm
01:48:25.220 not constrained by your religious tenants in
01:48:27.860 order to have interfaith dialogue i'm going to
01:48:30.020 i'm going to have to uh you know depend on
01:48:33.140 reason
01:48:34.100 and logic and and rhetoric and sometimes
01:48:36.740 rhetoric to even have dialogue you must
01:48:38.820 risk offense
01:48:40.980 again i'm not talking about me personally
01:48:43.220 and i give examples of what i mean by
01:48:45.300 offense you still say it's subjective and
01:48:47.460 we kind of go in a circle but it's very
01:48:48.980 subjective because
01:48:50.580 okay now you're interrupting me i didn't
01:48:51.780 interrupt you so that that should be also
01:48:53.460 important in this course i would let you
01:48:55.540 speak i don't mind but you also allow me to
01:48:57.620 speak and if we do in the discourse see uh
01:49:01.540 constant introductions and uh interjections
01:49:03.780 and interruptions then uh we'll start timing
01:49:06.740 the the discussion i believe that's very
01:49:08.580 fair uh other than that like every single
01:49:10.980 thing you're gonna interrupt when i speak
01:49:12.500 that's not gonna happen uh trying to take
01:49:14.180 control of the discussion something i can
01:49:16.100 easily do too but it just becomes and
01:49:18.500 nobody is interested in that no this is
01:49:21.540 the thing here is an attempt of you trying to
01:49:23.540 kind of make me do that but that's how i do
01:49:25.860 again uh the idea about the prophet
01:49:28.180 muhammad alayhi salam is very important
01:49:30.420 all right otherwise i cannot well let me
01:49:32.100 well here's the thing i'm going to get into
01:49:33.540 my opening statement here
01:49:35.460 and if there if that i'm going to risk
01:49:37.460 offense if it's offensive to you
01:49:39.700 there's nothing i can do about that but i'm
01:49:41.300 going to go ahead and get my opening
01:49:42.340 statement before we do before you do
01:49:44.100 opening statements um so let this do
01:49:46.900 each topic 45 minutes uh ideally we do it
01:49:49.700 free-flowing i don't really like the
01:49:50.980 timing but if it gets uh if there's too much
01:49:53.540 interrupting then we're going to have to do
01:49:54.580 timing but ideally it seems like we're all
01:49:56.260 on the same page that we're not going to
01:49:57.700 do that um muhammad alayhi do you want to
01:50:00.980 be specific like what would you at what
01:50:03.460 point where religiously would you have to
01:50:05.940 to leave the call because it would be um
01:50:07.620 we're not supposed to as a muslim you're not
01:50:10.180 supposed to engage in conversations where
01:50:12.340 it's offensive
01:50:14.900 yeah so uh for instance it's a very common
01:50:17.140 thing where you find christians and
01:50:19.060 atheists and generally using the word
01:50:20.900 defile continuously uh making uh as i said
01:50:25.700 slurs or just cursing words disgusting
01:50:28.900 individuals all of these things right
01:50:30.980 this usual cursing words that you would
01:50:32.500 use towards the prophet which doesn't
01:50:33.940 really add to the discussion right it
01:50:36.180 doesn't improve anything it doesn't add
01:50:38.180 any input towards the discussion that we're
01:50:40.020 having so what we're saying is criticisms
01:50:43.140 that does not add to the discussion you
01:50:45.460 want to have a talk about the discussion
01:50:47.380 itself and talk about the actions the
01:50:49.140 prophet did uh you want to describe these
01:50:51.700 exact specific actions it's up to you as
01:50:53.460 well which probably he would do that's
01:50:55.220 fine but to add your own kind of insults
01:50:58.260 with it and call him this and call him
01:50:59.940 that and he was this and he was uh that
01:51:02.820 no and to that extent then islamically i'm
01:51:05.300 obliged it's not even look it's not even a
01:51:07.300 choice right this is this is an islamic
01:51:08.900 tenant if the prophet or the religion is
01:51:11.620 insulted i'm not allowed to be present in
01:51:13.620 that place whether people like it or not
01:51:15.460 that's a different story it's not like
01:51:16.580 he's gonna have personally specifically
01:51:18.500 try to hurt my feelings right even if he
01:51:20.580 insults me i probably wouldn't care that's
01:51:22.420 like it's gonna i'm gonna laugh at that
01:51:24.660 but we're not talking about that we're
01:51:25.780 talking about a religious tenant now
01:51:27.140 which is to do with the prophet and i
01:51:28.740 also hope that we keep like good discourse
01:51:30.740 with one another because i'm not going to
01:51:32.100 insult him and so i hope that he doesn't
01:51:34.100 do that with me as well specifically and
01:51:35.700 personally no i made the agreement that i
01:51:37.780 would not insult you personally and i most
01:51:40.100 certainly will not um i i am gonna dive
01:51:43.780 into my opening statement if you consider
01:51:46.260 it to be offensive there's nothing i can
01:51:47.700 do about that
01:51:48.740 but i would like to get to stop having the
01:51:51.140 meta conversation i didn't make any
01:51:52.740 agreement to whatever subjective metrics
01:51:54.740 you might consider offensive
01:51:56.020 i hope that it doesn't offend you but
01:51:58.020 there's nothing i can do if it does so
01:52:00.260 yeah that's fine i didn't say you had an
01:52:03.220 agreement we started talking so we can
01:52:04.900 clarify this point right so we don't have
01:52:06.500 problems when we start discussing sure but
01:52:08.500 there's some things for instance right like
01:52:10.740 you say uh the word pedophile for instance
01:52:14.340 uh that has a distinct meaning and if it's
01:52:17.300 a key point to an argument to make this
01:52:19.780 claim and it's mapped on to reality
01:52:22.900 i don't see how how that's risking offense
01:52:25.220 to you if it's critical to the argument
01:52:27.140 structure that i'm making
01:52:29.220 this has a specific word it's a specific
01:52:31.700 meaning to the word the meaning could
01:52:33.620 specifically map on in this case to who
01:52:35.780 this person is i have no idea why i would
01:52:38.100 not be able to use that language yeah you
01:52:40.660 can you can use that language uh i
01:52:42.900 personally disagree that this is the
01:52:44.500 case therefore i consider it an insult
01:52:46.660 it's a discussion maybe that we're
01:52:47.940 having i don't know if it is or not but
01:52:49.780 generally you can say that's an act of
01:52:51.860 pedophilia you don't necessarily have
01:52:53.780 directed specifically to the individual
01:52:55.620 right i'm being reasonable with you here
01:52:57.300 i'm not saying don't use the word at all you
01:52:58.900 can say that's an action of pedophilia
01:53:00.820 that's it no problem you made your point
01:53:02.900 and then i would respond to that by saying
01:53:04.740 that it is not and then we can have the
01:53:06.260 discussion uh you can avoid using it
01:53:08.820 specifically directly at the prophet you
01:53:10.740 know that and that's the only thing that
01:53:12.260 i'm asking from a religious standpoint as
01:53:14.420 i said this is just a religious thing and
01:53:15.860 which is why i have well i'll do i'll do
01:53:17.940 what i can to mitigate from from your kind
01:53:21.780 of preference here um but that's that's
01:53:25.060 the most that i'm going to promise to do
01:53:26.820 i i appreciate that i you seem like a
01:53:29.700 reasonable individual so i hope we will be
01:53:32.340 able to have the discussion without the
01:53:33.620 issue he said 45 minutes i don't know is
01:53:35.540 that okay for you or what yeah 45 minutes
01:53:37.380 per topic or an hour per topic is fine
01:53:39.620 with me i don't care either way whichever
01:53:40.980 one you'd prefer let's do let's do 45
01:53:43.220 each and uh andrew does that sound uh
01:53:45.300 does everything sound fair and also also
01:53:48.180 is uh and what he's saying about like you
01:53:50.100 know too many times uh insulting or you know
01:53:53.140 like bringing up that word is that sound
01:53:54.980 reasonable
01:53:59.620 yeah yeah well yeah again i'm not my purpose
01:54:02.980 this here is not even to be insulting it's to
01:54:06.820 give what i consider to be credible facts to
01:54:09.460 the purpose of the statements and the
01:54:10.900 logical argumentation that i have formed
01:54:13.300 and the and that's the purpose of the
01:54:14.740 debate in order to have discourse because
01:54:18.260 we're dealing world debates are about
01:54:20.100 worldviews and paradigms and from my
01:54:22.340 perspective paradigm i do believe that this
01:54:25.860 that there's problems here with the man that
01:54:29.700 you consider to be a prophet that is part of
01:54:32.340 my paradigm it is part of your paradigm that
01:54:34.740 this is not true
01:54:36.420 and i don't know how we can have a conversation
01:54:39.060 about that without risking offense i don't
01:54:41.300 even think it's possible but i will try to
01:54:43.620 mitigate the offense if that's what the kind
01:54:46.980 of the key issue is here that sounds fair to me yeah
01:54:50.180 yeah yeah and i'm talking about intentional
01:54:52.580 insults and i'm not talking about things that i
01:54:54.340 might personally subjectively find offenses that
01:54:56.980 people generally what this is i'm talking about
01:54:58.900 okay about the 45 minutes if we feel like we need
01:55:01.380 more when we reach the 45 minute marks
01:55:03.460 please let us know because i think we may need
01:55:06.100 more time i may need sources to read it might take a
01:55:08.980 longer time and if we do you're okay with yeah if we
01:55:12.900 need to extend 50 minutes then that there's no there's no
01:55:15.300 problem okay all right so i'm good
01:55:17.460 if you want to start your opening okay
01:55:19.620 opening statement from andrew wilson
01:55:21.780 yeah so i've tried to keep the opening statement
01:55:24.020 somewhat concise that way i'm not gish galloping all over the place and
01:55:28.100 that way my opponent can take a single point at a time
01:55:31.460 i think that that's the fair way to do things
01:55:34.020 i also have a visual demonstration here
01:55:37.300 in regards to the idea of child brides and prepubescent sex of children
01:55:41.700 my opponent has stated and i'm paraphrasing here i'm not saying that
01:55:45.700 these are his exact words sex with a child is okay in a marriage
01:55:49.940 context as long as it doesn't physically or psychologically damage a
01:55:53.060 child though he didn't use a specific word
01:55:55.940 child i'm inserting this word because i think that under the criteria he
01:56:00.580 presented it would qualify as a child
01:56:03.860 though i don't think he owned the position opting instead to make claims
01:56:07.140 the semantics were incorrect i'm ready to defend those semantics i have a clip
01:56:11.780 here for proof that this is indeed what my opponent has said on this topic
01:56:16.260 which i'm happy to send over as soon as the opening is done
01:56:20.180 to give you an overview of the assert absurdity of this position muslim lantern
01:56:24.260 and god logic were attempting to argue the position of sex
01:56:27.780 with nine-year-olds in this case it's because god logic had brought up
01:56:31.940 aisha i am confident that god logic considers muhammad to be pedophilic
01:56:39.940 i am confident that this is true i'm not sure
01:56:43.700 what age muslim lantern actually believes aisha to be
01:56:47.860 however most scholars i've read in classical sources place her at about nine
01:56:51.380 years old it wouldn't really matter though muslim
01:56:54.260 lantern does or does not believe aisha's age
01:56:58.260 is this uh he does not need to stand by the idea that he believes that
01:57:03.460 all i need is that he's on record saying that he believes the age of consent
01:57:06.580 itself is just based around puberty with no real
01:57:10.260 clarification there as to what that means and we'll dive into that
01:57:13.540 but let us begin with some visual examples of what
01:57:16.740 this has to mean a prepubescent vaginal depth which i'm going to represent here
01:57:22.260 with this socket it's about two inches just so you
01:57:27.220 understand this is the average depth of the
01:57:29.380 vagina in a prepubescent girl and girls in early puberty
01:57:32.980 which really doesn't stop until you reach the end of puberty where it ends up
01:57:36.500 being somewhere around 4.5 to 5.5 inches
01:57:40.100 i have the medical documentation to prove this
01:57:42.980 the average arab's penis is about 5.5 inches i'm going to represent that
01:57:48.820 here
01:57:51.380 again we're just talking about averages i'm going to put these side by side so
01:57:56.100 that you can understand the distinction here you see he's 5.5 inches you see this is two inches
01:58:03.780 okay to express what this looks like in comparison it's very important that you visually understand this
01:58:12.580 in order for muhammad who i think definitionally would be a pedophile to have done zero damage to
01:58:21.300 iasha which isn't conforming with the muslim lantern conditions of quote not hurting the girl
01:58:28.660 in this case i would say muhammad's penis would only be able to be roughly
01:58:36.580 1.8 inches in order to not actually 1.8 damage this woman 1.8 inches
01:58:45.140 now the reason for that is because we have the medical documentation of what
01:58:52.980 is vaginal tearing and what vaginal tearing would be inside the wife he was anywhere even close to
01:58:58.020 the average as would cause severe damage so we either have to conclude the damage threshold that
01:59:03.300 ml is talking about here is much different than how ml presents it or that muhammad had a way smaller
01:59:10.500 than average penis i'm willing to accept either correction to further demonstrate the truth of
01:59:16.500 this claim you can find more info on this and the growth of the birth canal in adolescent girls
01:59:21.780 uh this is done by marquisa levelle she's a phd she goes further into why pregnancy at a young age
01:59:27.300 is generally damaging to a woman but it's also demonstrating the physiology in the difference of
01:59:32.980 canals and the difference in penis length the difference in vagina length when it comes to
01:59:39.540 people engaging with child brides she goes into various problems of the pelvis during childbirth for
01:59:45.540 prepubescent girls and here if you'll humor me i'm going to give you some highlights
01:59:52.260 again trying to keep this somewhat brief
01:59:57.220 the size of the birth canal is smaller in the first three years even past the first age of your period
02:00:03.940 then at age 18 years old that's why we have a standard for this by the way people pretend it's
02:00:09.220 arbitrary it's not arbitrary we have standards for a reason um if you even go by region this is true
02:00:17.220 basically all over the world this is true that prepubescent girls are still going through still
02:00:22.820 going through puberty and so their canals are growing properly uh at 18 only minor
02:00:30.260 differences are observable in the size of the birth canal this is important at 18 only minor differences
02:00:36.660 are between women um in any way substantial in the birth canal uh although girls with early periods
02:00:45.220 are appreciably shorter and heavier they're late matching counterparts at this age there really
02:00:50.500 is no distinct or huge variable difference that's why waiting until that age is usually a good idea
02:00:58.180 uh she goes into the various problems of this now to be clear my job is to defend uh or i'm sorry
02:01:04.740 to attack this position his job is to defend it okay um i i need you to understand
02:01:12.340 that i'm not going to go with any what about isms uh so if you say what about the christians though
02:01:21.620 it's irrelevant this is that is for me to defend in the next portion of the debate on the trinity
02:01:26.980 this is purely for him to defend the islamic position on underage marriage it is not to do
02:01:34.660 what about ism it is not to say what about the christians though what about them over there though
02:01:38.740 that's all logically fallacious argumentation designed specifically to obfuscate away from
02:01:44.180 the points which are being made which is the justification inside of the islamic worldview
02:01:49.220 for why it's okay to have sexual intercourse with girls as young as seven eight nine years old
02:01:54.740 why that's okay why that's moral from their paradigm i do not have to defend a paradigm here
02:02:00.020 it's not important that i defend a paradigm here it's only important he defends his the paradigm
02:02:04.900 i'm defending is the trinity in the next debate so he can ask whatever questions that he wants in
02:02:10.580 regards to clarification on what it is that i'm asking him but it is not at all pertinent in any way
02:02:17.780 shape or form whatever he thinks the christian belief on this is that is not what i'm here to defend
02:02:23.220 he is here to defend the islamic paradigm with that i'll yield my time okay muslim lantern
02:02:29.860 all right perfect amazing uh i love uh the the ending of his talk because it shows that how
02:02:37.060 hypocritical christians are he's trying to put a new condition that we didn't agree upon is oh you're
02:02:42.260 not going to mention christianity and that is not going to happen i'm going to mention christianity
02:02:45.780 to show how no no no andrew andrew we gave you five minutes uninterrupted this is for you guys
02:02:51.380 they didn't take a minute and he's already interrupted but i think it's fair andrew andrew he gave
02:02:55.380 he did give you five minutes uninterrupted it's it's completely fair for him to give his time in
02:03:00.260 his opening statement all right thank you for muting him because i didn't even speak that was
02:03:05.460 him he muted himself all right so uh he muted himself okay same thing all right great now uh
02:03:11.300 i'm going to start again while i was saying this is what we see uh christians trying because they're
02:03:15.140 running away you want to run away from the fact of all christian history church fathers what they
02:03:19.780 believed about the age of marriage or the bible says about the age of marriage instead of making
02:03:23.460 this a christian islam versus christianity which was the the the whole topic of the uh argument
02:03:29.060 he's trying to make it now no no just speak about islam no no this is the islam versus christianity
02:03:32.900 thing people watching you are christians they have christian's positions you might disagree you might
02:03:36.980 shake your head that's irrelevant i'm going to mention the point anyways for the benefit of the
02:03:40.740 viewers to see the hypocritical nature of the people who accuse the prophet of something that they
02:03:44.900 themselves are doing now uh you mentioned a few things which are uh i don't really need to deal with
02:03:49.780 very very low blows trying to you know instigate some sort of a reaction with the measurements and
02:03:53.780 stuff like that irrelevant not going to deal with that uh aisha according to the muslim beliefs
02:03:58.820 were not uh uh prepubescent according to the agreement of muslims that was not the case so all
02:04:04.980 of your argument about the prepubescent stuff doesn't work because that was not the case with
02:04:09.140 aisha in fact the prophet waited after he made a contract with her with her until she reached
02:04:14.260 that age in which she was then uh uh past puberty essentially is what we believe as muslims so your
02:04:21.700 argument is irrelevant again i didn't even see an argument all you did is just you said science says
02:04:25.620 one two three this is what we have with christians they don't present anything from their own faith
02:04:30.820 they just like uh with all the respect speak speak speak empty speech about okay oh this is what happens
02:04:36.020 when you have intercourse in this length and balance where's the argument is there is zero argument that
02:04:40.980 was presented so uh on the other hand i'm gonna present actual arguments now first morality is
02:04:47.380 objective in the belief of both muslims and christians morality sources from the creator in the belief of
02:04:52.500 both muslims and christians so uh the reason this whole idea of the age of marriage not age of consent
02:04:58.740 because muslims don't have an idea of age of consent that's a western concept we have the idea of age of
02:05:03.060 marriage and christians had the idea of age of marriage but uh it seems like it's changing these days so
02:05:09.380 this argument is not even an argument against islam in any shape or form and highlight why
02:05:13.140 first as i said morality is objective and it sources from god in order for you to claim something is
02:05:18.820 morally incorrect morally wrong you need to prove your objective morality i.e christianity in your case
02:05:24.740 and this proof that islam doesn't have an objective morality and then in which then we can talk is that
02:05:29.780 specific actual uh intercourse that happens whether that be before or after puberty whether it is right or
02:05:35.300 wrong where did you bring this objective moral claim claim as a christian you should find that
02:05:40.500 in the bible so i will wait for you uh to present me with your lovely evidences from the biblical
02:05:46.180 tradition but what is the morally age acceptable age for intercourse and if you cannot do that then
02:05:51.700 you're just saying your own personal subjective moral opinion and we don't really care about that
02:05:56.340 like just like anyone else's subjective moral opinion that's number one why this is not argument
02:06:00.900 against islam because you've not proved your objective morality number two a muslim can believe
02:06:05.460 now we talked about me on my belief which i can uh highlight in a second talk about the points the
02:06:09.700 things i believe in my position but that's uh not what we're discussing now i'll present it anyways it
02:06:15.140 doesn't matter uh a muslim can believe i'm talking i'm muslim i'm not talking about myself now a muslim
02:06:20.420 can believe the age of aisha uh was different than what we say uh contract at six and consummation at nine
02:06:26.260 a muslim can believe a different number why a muslim can believe a different number and can still be a
02:06:31.460 muslim because this is not an article of faith issue we have six articles of faith as muslims number
02:06:37.060 seven is not the age of aisha we don't have that so uh an information about a prophet of the uh an
02:06:42.900 information about the wife of the prophet is not essential to the belief and the creed of a muslim
02:06:48.180 if he wanted to say okay i don't this specific report i believe it otherwise he's not going to be a
02:06:53.700 non-muslim therefore it's not an argument against islam you're arguing a bit about against something
02:06:58.500 that is not a creedal issue in the muslim faith to begin with so it's irrelevant uh it's irrelevant
02:07:03.940 arguments are losing debate from the beginning for you there are many muslims who do believe or there
02:07:08.100 are muslims some muslims who do believe otherwise that her age is not specifically that and they talk
02:07:12.740 about how the ages the date of birth was not recorded as it is recorded today they have his hospitals
02:07:17.700 and writing the names and this and that the so the numbers and the ages and the date of birth was not as
02:07:22.580 accurate as it is today however i hold the position that she was six with the uh contract and nine of
02:07:29.220 the conservation that's my position but i'm making a more important point now which is that it is not
02:07:34.100 arguing against islam because i can still believe otherwise and be a muslim and therefore that it's not
02:07:38.980 an argument against the religion of islam because you're attacking something that is not a core foundation
02:07:42.900 the third reason that does not disqualify uh does not argue against islam is because that does not
02:07:49.300 disqualify prophet muhammad from being a prophet with the christian biblical standards objective
02:07:52.820 morality of christianity you have prophets in the old testament sleeping with their own daughters you
02:07:56.420 have prophets committing polytheism you have uh prophets killing and committing a door adultery and
02:08:01.700 they'll start consider prophets of god according to the christian narrative in fact you have uh isaac
02:08:06.500 and rebecca isaac marrying rebecca at the age of 40 and she was three or all the way from three to ten you
02:08:11.540 can choose whichever one you like and i can demonstrate that with evidences if you like you're welcome to ask and i'll give you
02:08:17.140 sources and reasons and evidences for that so we have already an example of someone who did that was
02:08:21.220 not uh debunked or uh criticized by god or corrected by god so in reality uh you don't have any objective
02:08:28.980 source to claim that this specific action is wrong i'm waiting for that objective source which is should
02:08:33.700 be the bible or a divine revelation in which morality sources from so that is the first thing that i'm
02:08:38.900 gonna say uh the second thing that i'm gonna jump into is uh my specific position what is my specific
02:08:45.380 position my specific position because you would like to know my specific position so i'll i'll
02:08:49.860 make it concisely in points and then perhaps maybe i'll let you come in because i don't want to take
02:08:53.940 a very very long uh segment okay my position is the following islam allows uh marriage there is no sex
02:09:01.380 or or intercourse or any of that before marriage so we don't have the idea of age of consent we have the
02:09:06.660 idea of marriage does not allow intercourse before marriage as christianity but people do not keep to
02:09:11.220 that the second thing is a kid because you have not defined and i would like your definition of
02:09:16.660 the word uh pedophile and the your definition of the word child and when is an act considered pedophilia
02:09:22.020 why is it the exact specific age in which you would consider pedophilia and then you would give me the
02:09:26.100 objective morality for why where you came with these numbers from right hopefully not just your
02:09:30.420 subjective opinion so uh second thing a kid is someone who's under puberty and adult is someone who's gone
02:09:36.340 through puberty uh in marriage in islam it has to be with the agreement of the father there's
02:09:43.060 something called the wali in islam is the guardian of the girl and without his agreement any marriage
02:09:48.500 in islam is void prophet he said there is no marriage without the agreement and the blessing
02:09:54.020 of the wali i.e the guardian in this case the father right so this is our position any marriage without the
02:09:59.700 agreement of the father is boy let's let andrew respond i think there was a lot of points there um if you
02:10:04.820 could wrap up this last one so we could let him respond all right i'll make number four i've got
02:10:09.780 like four and five i don't know if he wants all of them or not but i'll just make number four
02:10:13.780 if there is any type of harm uh on both the husband or the wife the marriage is haram islamic any type of
02:10:20.100 harm that is established with evidence is good proof so if we were to accept and this is why i'm gonna
02:10:25.140 shatter his whole argument right now in a second if we were to accept his argument that there was a
02:10:29.460 scientific harm on a specific age of a girl that we can establish then islamically that is haram and not
02:10:34.260 allowed and therefore you have no argument there okay i'll give him now uh the floor as they say
02:10:39.780 okay so unfortunately we have to go back to the meta here for just a second have a meta
02:10:43.220 conversation about the debate so the the trinity is a christian doctrine it's not a muslim doctrine
02:10:49.460 so i would be on defense for that portion so for me to say what about what muslims believe though
02:10:55.460 has nothing to do with the trinity so because it has nothing to do with the trinity in good faith
02:11:00.260 i would just simply defend the logical position of the trinity what he's doing is engaging in i have
02:11:06.580 to do what about isms in order to defend my worldview also even if i was immoral had no moral paradigm
02:11:12.740 whatsoever and completely didn't believe in any sort of higher power nor objective morality i could
02:11:18.740 still be able to prove inconsistencies in your moral worldview sir so if it's inconsistent from your
02:11:24.900 worldview and you advocate that it is indeed moral i could still prove that without having any
02:11:30.500 objective standard for morals at all why do you understand that right you understand how debates
02:11:34.820 work you have a proposition my job is to falsify the proposition i don't have to give you a counter
02:11:40.020 proposition i don't have to give you a counter worldview totally unnecessary just like with the trinity
02:11:45.300 a secularist is able to falsify the trinity just as well as an islamicist is
02:11:49.460 do you get that so can we have the debate now uh you'd like me to speak uh i disagree with the
02:11:57.620 notions that you've made i've not made a proposition for you to review anyways i was just literally
02:12:01.940 giving my position a minute ago i didn't even finish it because of the timing so i did not give a
02:12:06.340 proposition uh you highlighting you've not highlighted inconsistencies you mention harm and i've already
02:12:10.660 told you there's a general rule in islam if there is harm it's not allowed therefore your argument
02:12:14.820 falls apart it's irrelevant so that's not an inconsistency that you've provided talked about
02:12:19.220 specifically about the prophet's marriage we haven't gotten into the debate yet i want you i
02:12:22.740 need the agreement first that i don't that it's not necessary for me to appeal okay can you tell
02:12:29.380 me why it would be necessary for me to have an objective moral stance or give you one in order
02:12:34.900 to find inconsistencies or refute whether or not inside your own ideology this is permitted by
02:12:40.340 your own logic can you explain that to me you'll know how logic works yes i'm going to repeat
02:12:45.140 myself again this is a debate between muslims and christians islamic christian you're making
02:12:48.740 this is a debate on a specific proposition of the age of consent in islam i was very specific about
02:12:54.820 it okay now you're interrupting again i'll allow you to speak you allow me to speak well it's necessary
02:12:59.300 for us to come to everyone who watches this and everyone who watches this i believe including the
02:13:04.580 sneaker who brought you for this discussion believes that this is the islam versus christianity
02:13:08.820 thing if it's not there is no point of having it the only reason i'm having this discussion you can't
02:13:12.340 defend the position i respond did you like me to respond or you want to interrupt me with me
02:13:16.180 just maybe responding the reason is very simple the only reason i'm having this discussion anyways
02:13:20.500 is because when we have discussions about islam with christians we get the uh comment trolls in
02:13:26.340 sneaker's community saying why don't you discuss or debate with someone who is knowledgeable so
02:13:30.340 that's the whole reason we brought that as it brought you specifically as a representation of
02:13:33.780 christianity when i checked your twitter you have christian there so this is a christian versus
02:13:37.780 muslim thing if it's not if you're an atheist as you said and you don't even understand the problem
02:13:41.940 with being an atheist and arguing for that position then your morality is subjective and if your morality
02:13:46.100 is subjective then i can simply say i disagree with your subjective morality i don't need to convince
02:13:51.060 you with anything if you're coming with objective morality and that is the position unless you disagree
02:13:55.060 that morality sources from god you're making a moral you can still have objective you can still have
02:14:00.020 inconsistencies in objective morals listen you can still have you can still have inconsistencies
02:14:07.380 even if you believe morality is objective logic i agree okay great so then all we need here is the
02:14:13.780 proposition all we need here is a proposition that's it can you give us a single all i want is a proposition
02:14:20.500 from you that just clarifies that the age of consent in islam does not exist and that you're going to defend
02:14:28.260 the age of consent and when it's appropriate to have sex with with uh you know people under the age of
02:14:34.100 whatever uh that's all i need i just need the the prop from you and regardless of what my moral
02:14:39.460 stance is you're in defense this portion of the debate you're defending your your world view here
02:14:45.620 i disagree i didn't say that this is what do you mean you disagree uh i'll tell you now if you allow
02:14:50.260 me to speak right okay interrupting me of speaking now uh this is not a defense attack this is a a
02:14:56.180 discussion about the idea of the age of consent that's what i agreed upon i did agree that i'm just
02:14:59.860 going to be that's illogical i'm going to tie my hands use what about i'm going to tie my hands for
02:15:03.540 you so you can no no no i'll tie my hands for you on the trinity i'm not using any what about
02:15:08.580 isms on the trinity you're welcome it'll just be purely my theology purely what i believe you can
02:15:14.020 purely attack it there'll be no what about islam because i have a proposition it's my job to defend
02:15:20.260 that proposition in that debate it's your job here to defend this proposition in this debate you
02:15:25.300 understand that well thank you for telling me my job but you're not the one who dictates my job as
02:15:29.780 i said yes that's how logic works sir again how does logic work do you know how you're not able to let
02:15:34.580 other people speak right you've got an issue like you you feel like i'm going to say something i need
02:15:38.020 you to tell me that you know how logic works all right i'm going to speak the way i want to speak
02:15:43.620 and let's say the way i want to say as i said you're allowed to show inconsistencies in the muslim
02:15:48.420 position i don't have any issues with that but to try to pretend i cannot talk about the christian
02:15:52.020 position it's just hypocritical i never agreed to that why is it i'm not going and i'm not going
02:15:56.340 to explain why that's hypocritical okay i'll ask you a question okay don't ask me a question explain
02:16:01.300 why it's hypocritical i'm doing that with a question no no no the question doesn't prove it's
02:16:05.540 hypocritical just tell me how it's hypocritical it does when when you respond to the question no it
02:16:10.100 doesn't it's you tell me how it's hypocritical as using the socratic method absent a position is
02:16:16.580 ridiculous start first with telling me what's hypocritical about me asking you to defend your
02:16:21.940 worldview paradigm without me having to defend mine i'll do that okay no i didn't say i cannot i
02:16:28.580 didn't say i cannot defend my worldview i said i would like to represent the christian hypocrisy that's
02:16:33.860 something i would like to do i don't need to do but i would like to show all of these questions just to
02:16:39.220 show all of these questions to show all of these christians how hypocritical they are when they
02:16:42.820 criticize and do that when it's your turn to attack uh that's well it's your turn to attack which is
02:16:47.700 during the trinity port why do you think no no why would they talk about the age of consent in the
02:16:51.860 trinity that makes a difference i'm not going to talk about the age of consistent okay let me ask you
02:16:55.860 this let me let me just ask you this instead here's here's an actual you know you're not allowed to
02:17:00.020 ask you you said you said i'm not allowed to ask you son you're not allowed to ask the question i'll just
02:17:05.060 explain it to you all right there is zero reason zero none none nil why it is that you would
02:17:12.660 ever need to use a what about ism what about them over there to defend the things that you believe
02:17:19.540 it's totally unnecessary to a debate in fact it's fallacious to do in a debate has nothing to do with
02:17:25.620 what we're talking about we're talking only about this one thing which is the age of consent in islam
02:17:31.700 that is the debate has nothing to do with christianity can you explain how that has a
02:17:36.100 fucking thing to do with christianity one thing tell me how it has anything to do with christianity
02:17:42.260 all right i've already done that but maybe you're not you're not listening first the only if the
02:17:45.860 only only word you know is what about ism it doesn't help i've already explained when you
02:17:50.820 mentioned a few things about islam i responded from my islamic paradigm like about the trees
02:17:55.940 about all of that i responded from the islamic problem i did not bring the bible but i can see
02:17:58.980 you're scared that i'm going to bring the bible and bring church fathers and what christians believe
02:18:02.740 which is why i'm going to do it because you are afraid of people seeing what christians have been
02:18:07.620 engaging in for the last two thousand years and and and and if and if i can't answer the question
02:18:19.460 i'm doing it right now and if the position of christianity was that morality sources from god
02:18:25.140 and the bible shows that you can have intercourse with those people who are under the age then it's
02:18:29.620 not immoral and you cannot attack muslims for something is not immortal for you it makes no sense
02:18:33.460 it's like me saying i believe x is perfectly moral but you you cannot do it you for you it's
02:18:39.140 that moral i'm gonna attack you as well that's calling that would be hypocritical that would
02:18:42.820 that's always good first of all saying that somebody are you so scared why are you so scared
02:18:47.300 first of all saying someone's a hypocrite's an argument from hypocrisy still wouldn't prove your
02:18:51.300 claim is true even if my claim was not that's one two two uh you're also engaging in a too quick or
02:18:57.380 a two-quote quay fallacy what about you has nothing to do with the argument you're here to defend the
02:19:02.420 age of consent of islam now can you do that or can you not and i'm going to reclaim all 45 minutes
02:19:08.580 because we've been having this meta conversation are you able to do that or are you not able to do
02:19:13.620 that okay but before you before you respond because this is uh now it seems like we're still um trying
02:19:19.540 to figure out the stipulations of the debate i don't think it's worthwhile to to go back on the time
02:19:24.420 but so i wasn't sure i was under the to the debate sure that happened we're not going to go back on
02:19:30.900 the time he just wants to wait before you respond to engage in the debate yeah we're going back on
02:19:36.740 the time yeah absolutely i'm not going to let you cheat i'm not going to let you cheat oh you're the
02:19:40.740 one cheating now what makes the time in a conversation because you have said it's so sad
02:19:46.260 really so sad what you're trying to do okay hold on hold on before you respond let's let's go back
02:19:51.700 to the hold on andrew andrew andrew logic let's stop uh let's stop the the crosstalk for five
02:19:56.980 seconds okay i i was under the impression that it was going to be islam the christian position versus
02:20:01.940 the islam position but if you if you don't post there is a christian position versus there's just
02:20:07.300 the christian position of the trinity yeah well we're getting we're gonna get into that we'll get
02:20:11.940 into that okay it's the position can you let the house speak please can you let the host finish what
02:20:16.660 he said the host just asked me a question no i wasn't asking a question he didn't he didn't ask
02:20:21.300 you he just said he didn't ask you a question i wasn't asking a question oh but i want to establish
02:20:25.140 that i think that uh muslim lantern i'll ask you a question if you are okay um defending the age of
02:20:30.820 consent position of islam um without you know are you okay with it not being it's just
02:20:37.060 argumentation just defending it and not talking about christian is that what you do do you want
02:20:42.820 him to to not debate islam without bringing up christianity andrew yeah well his job is to defend
02:20:48.820 the islamic position not to his what about isms are meaningless to me i just want the defense of
02:20:54.980 the islamic position i'll give him the defense of the trinity from the christian position i won't
02:20:59.380 bring up islam at all it's totally irrelevant to the debate whether or not uh the trinity is logical
02:21:04.260 illogical or whatever has nothing to do with islam why would it ever have anything to do with
02:21:09.220 islam he never presented a case for why it would be that he would need to bring uh any christian faith
02:21:15.140 or any group any hindu faith any any indian faith any satanic faith none of that would be necessary
02:21:22.500 for him to demonstrate and defend his position on the age of consent you do you understand that muslim
02:21:29.620 lantern or not all right so i'm going to speak uninterrupted as i allow you to speak uninterrupted
02:21:36.420 that's what happens with christians when you discuss with them they turn liberal they turn
02:21:39.540 atheist oh i'm atheist now please don't mention christianity because if you mention you're going
02:21:43.620 to expose my hypocrisy you're going to expose i'm accusing you of something that actually exists
02:21:47.620 within christianity so please please just talk about islam it's not only you know christianity please
02:21:52.340 so we're not going to do that we're not going to let you hide behind the bush we're not going to let you try
02:21:56.580 to pretend as if this is just an islam thing it's not in your portion you've made that condition upon
02:22:01.540 yourself that you don't want to mention anything to do with the trinity in islam there's no trinity in
02:22:04.580 islam so there's nothing to mention whether you want to mention or you don't want to mention that's
02:22:08.340 up to you you want to bring verses of the quran which you think the trinity exists in you like to
02:22:12.340 do that you're welcome to do that if you want to bring anything about the trinity from islamic point
02:22:16.100 of view i'm more look i'll give you all the whole floor do it but to try to pretend i'm not going to
02:22:20.580 bring christian because i have i have here a long history which i'm going to present because i was actually
02:22:26.580 collecting it in the last few hours of church fathers and their positions of the age of consent
02:22:33.380 on the whole christian history and the bible uh age and uh position of the age of marriage and age of
02:22:39.380 consent which shows and demonstrates the incomplete complete the complete hypocrisy of the christians
02:22:45.460 when they try to speak about the muslim position of prophet muhammad or any of that he mentioned certain
02:22:49.700 points about islam i've already responded from some position so i'm going to do two things i'm going to do
02:22:53.300 the way he's asking which is to respond why there is no inconsistency in the muslim position number
02:22:58.420 two i'm going to highlight that this is actually the christian position whatever he's critiquing
02:23:02.020 is his own position and he doesn't want me to do that because he's scared because he knows that's
02:23:06.100 a fact that that's a reality which is why he's trying to hold me into speaking about this or that
02:23:09.940 i didn't tell him to talk about this or that all the agreement walls you talk about islam in the way
02:23:15.620 i'll just ask a simple simple question on the meta side of this before we reclaim the time and yes
02:23:20.020 i'm reclaiming the time because we haven't even had the debate i need to ask specifically why is it
02:23:25.700 necessary for you to have a straw man or for you to bring up and a very simple answer to this would
02:23:31.380 be great can you explain to me why it's actually necessary for you to point to any group other than
02:23:39.460 your own to defend your group's position why is that actually necessary in a logical debate why
02:23:46.500 again i said to you i'll say it simply i'm not saying i want you to respond to necessary and
02:23:52.820 that's all i'm about to say i didn't say it was necessary i said i would love it i i said i would
02:23:57.940 like to do that to highlight hypocrisy which is very important now you are asking me the question i'm
02:24:03.620 responding to you making a moral argument i don't think you don't i understand objective subjective
02:24:07.540 morality is it seems like you don't know you you coming and keep mentioning uh logic and fantasies but
02:24:11.780 you don't understand a simple thing as that the age of consent or marriage or whatever it is if
02:24:16.660 you want to claim something is immoral or moral you need to have an objective justification for that
02:24:21.780 as i said and as nico mentioned he was under the impression i believe all the viewers are that this
02:24:25.620 is the islam versus christianity thing and he can do a poll and show how you're incorrect and there is
02:24:30.180 the position of everyone watching this except yourself somehow so if this is an islam versus christianity
02:24:35.140 i would i'm going to show the christian position simply and you're welcome to show the islamic
02:24:39.460 position critique it and show inconsistencies that i'm welcome to respond to that i'm not going to
02:24:43.620 like allow now all of the hours i spent on bringing sources showing your christian history of position
02:24:48.420 i'll okay i'm not going to mention any of that that's not going to happen i'm going to mention
02:24:51.940 what i want to mention about christianity and in your portion in the trinity you welcome to mention
02:24:56.260 whatever you want about islam okay that's not strong man i disagree with you i've already responded
02:25:00.900 i'm sorry when was this debate ever discussed as being a debate on the age of consent in christianity
02:25:06.820 versus the age of consent in islam it was specifically stated as the age of consent in
02:25:11.460 islam i was on the phone with you and you said you would do that debate
02:25:18.420 i didn't say age of consent in christianity and islam i'm saying to you christian versus muslim thing
02:25:22.660 so christianity has the same thing that's the same thing and i'm telling you how is the same thing now
02:25:28.100 christianity has a position that position comes from where it comes from the bible because christians take
02:25:33.380 their beliefs from the bible they take their divine positions of morality from the bible so if you want
02:25:38.180 to make a moral claim to do this on behalf of your perspective again i'm finishing it now i'm finishing
02:25:43.060 it now if you are going to argue for the age of consent from andrew wilson's perspective i'm not
02:25:48.740 interested in that i'm interested in the christian position because this is a discussion that is to
02:25:52.580 do with two billion muslims two billion christians it's not about you and me you might think you might
02:25:56.260 have some egoism you might have some egoism you might have some egoism you might have some egoism
02:25:59.860 hold on hold on let's not do the interruptions there's too many interruptions yeah you might
02:26:04.020 think that you have some egoism and believe that like you're that important that everyone needs
02:26:07.300 to listen to your subjective position or morality debate dude i'm not interested no i agreed for
02:26:12.340 it it's time for christianity i've said that three times so show me where that was ever stated
02:26:17.060 anywhere and now no we're saying it now if you disagree with that you're saying it now are you just
02:26:21.220 going to make it up now because you have to use straw mans for your argumentation i was under that
02:26:24.900 impression uh sneak was under that impression i responded multiple times telling you the whole
02:26:29.380 point i'm discussing with you okay let me let me uh let me step in let me step in i i have to admit
02:26:37.060 like i'm trying to be as fair as possible the reason that i wanted to set this up is because uh your
02:26:41.540 youtube name is the paleo christian if i'm mistaken and your youtube name is the muslim lantern so i was
02:26:46.660 under the impression that i was gonna if we're gonna go in uh and argue the age of consent that it would
02:26:51.060 come from a christian perspective and a muslim perspective that is the name of both of your channels
02:26:55.140 and that's what i thought that's not the name of my channel my my twitter handles paleo christ gone
02:27:00.820 my channel is called the crucible but that's why it says it on the hat but on top of that just so you
02:27:06.500 understand if you're if you're ever going to host debates in the future right basic this is basic
02:27:11.700 logic 101 he has a position he has a proposition he defends the position the proposition him ever stating
02:27:18.580 anything about what some other group believes or some other proposition that's not his proposition
02:27:23.540 always going to be irrelevant to a debate has nothing at all to do with the debate
02:27:27.540 it's a what about ism and all it does is drain the clock so that you can't ask your questions
02:27:32.020 i would never do that to him on the trinity never ever in a million years would i say oh what about
02:27:38.900 the muslim position for blah it has nothing to do with anything do you both now understand that that
02:27:45.220 is true we disagree with you and you know you're on what wonder what criteria could you ever disagree
02:27:52.260 with this when you let me speak you'll know but when you interrupt me when i start saying you haven't
02:27:55.860 made an argument you just prattle dude you do money you you just speak and interrupt with all the
02:28:01.060 respect like you've not really presented anything you've not even presented an argument we're still we're
02:28:05.620 having an argument we're having a meta argument about the debate because i need i need the terms
02:28:11.060 to be clarified so we can actually have this debate okay what terms you want to clarify what
02:28:15.620 terms you want to clarify just just one second uh you want to say one thing and then you can ask
02:28:19.220 him okay terms if you like in formal debates and people are welcome to go and watch that if you
02:28:24.420 want to have a formal debate a person has a time a person has a time there's a topic in your time you
02:28:29.220 can talk about whatever you want related to that topic what he's trying to do here as i said is he's
02:28:33.620 afraid of the position that i'm going to demonstrate and show the christian position on the age of
02:28:37.700 consent that he's tries to criticize the islam islamic muslims of believing whatever the number
02:28:43.220 so you can have time and you can speak about whatever you want to do and i will speak about
02:28:47.060 whatever i want to do if you don't like that then you're just whining and crying with all due respect
02:28:50.820 about what i can speak about i cannot speak about either have the discussion allow people to watch
02:28:55.620 your discussion and listen to different points of views or not that's your position that's up to you
02:29:00.500 what is marketing it's a discussion or marketed as a debate i was told okay let's have a formal
02:29:05.220 time then let's have a formal time you'll have your time i have no no no no we specifically agreed
02:29:09.140 not to have a formal time in this unless it gets this way in a debate unless it gets it i said that
02:29:15.540 they said they agreed to and i said that in the beginning you can rewind the video you can rewind the
02:29:20.020 video i don't care what you said here we set it up before we got here so we didn't set up anything
02:29:25.540 we didn't i'm sorry i'm sorry i could have sworn i got a phone call from sneko who said yes debate
02:29:31.300 this guy and i gave my terms and conditions one was that there's no timer two that the muslim age
02:29:36.420 of consent was a topic and that we would do that topic you agreed to that we're on that topic has
02:29:41.860 nothing to do with christianity that's just a way to eat up my time i need you to agree that inside of
02:29:48.340 logical argumentation it is completely unnecessary under all under all worldviews it's unnecessary for
02:29:55.620 you to ever bring any any other group or whatever they think or whatever they believe in to you
02:30:02.740 defending this position you have still not coherently stated why that is necessary just that you really
02:30:08.340 really want to all right now i'm not in the habit of repeating myself you just said the same thing you
02:30:14.420 said i'm not gonna again repeat the same thing yeah well can you refute it can you tell me why
02:30:18.180 it's necessary other than you just want to a few times i've done it a few times i don't need to do
02:30:22.500 it okay well then i'm gonna reset the clock and if you just bring up christian i'm gonna anytime you
02:30:26.820 bring up anything other than that's not gonna happen it's not just cut it off it's not gonna happen
02:30:32.500 well then yeah well then we don't have terms for the debate dude the term i'll give you the terms and
02:30:36.820 you see if you disagree you'll have your time i'll have my time you present your case i'll present
02:30:40.260 no that's not what we agreed to this is this is all done under false pretenses okay so you're
02:30:44.820 that's it just shows how you scared the part of continuing the discussion i'm being very reasonable
02:30:48.580 i'm saying i'm saying everyone has their own time he doesn't want to agree to that i know i know you
02:30:53.060 feel like you're being refuted with all the respect but it's okay you can have your time i can have my
02:30:56.500 time you can present you can present logical argumentation you can present your argument i can
02:31:01.620 present mine and it's as simple as that no you're you're literally saying i must be forced into
02:31:06.740 uh fallacious forms of argumentation where you're allowed to bring up things outside of the purview
02:31:12.340 of the debate to waste time that's totally unfair across the board completely biased across the board
02:31:18.100 nobody would ever agree to that in a real debate in a million years now can you explain why that's
02:31:23.460 necessary why it is that when i defend the trinity i'm not going to bring up anything other than the
02:31:28.180 trinity because that's what we're debating why is it that you cannot do the same thing here what would
02:31:33.140 the position of trinity have to do with the muslim faith nothing nothing at all zero zilch
02:31:40.180 yes or no okay well if we don't want to keep wasting more time because i i don't want to reset
02:31:44.340 the clock and do this again uh then we shouldn't keep on discussing the terms of the debate and we
02:31:48.500 should just get into the topic of conversation we have to have clarity on the terms okay clarity on
02:31:52.980 the terms we have no debate but we didn't establish that before that we didn't establish that he
02:31:58.020 couldn't bring up christianity that was never a point of discussion it was literally entailed
02:32:03.060 so i'm sorry the idea that uh that you say i want to debate the trinity that is us debating
02:32:10.260 this christian idea of trinitarianism has zero and you can bring up and when we get to that topic
02:32:15.780 andrew you could let me finish let me finish it has zero to do with anything except the trinity
02:32:21.380 when i said i want to also debate the age of consent the muslim age of consent that's literally
02:32:27.140 what i said this was agreed to what in the world does that can you tell me sneko you the moderator
02:32:32.660 what in the world does that have to do with christianity can you explain that to me right
02:32:36.180 but you can use that as an argument when we get to the topic of the trinity you can go and bring up
02:32:40.420 islam if you want to it's just fallacious time wasting if that's part of your argument then that's
02:32:45.300 part of your point of view is he going to defend the muslim age of consent or is this going to be
02:32:49.860 about what about them over there as well because it's not a debate that's
02:32:53.380 some something else but this guy andrew here's what this guy andrew is trying to do he's trying
02:32:58.260 to say look i've got no position i just want to attack that's what he's that's what he likes to
02:33:02.180 do anyway he thinks i'm going to need to have a position now he's trying to pretend as if uh him
02:33:08.260 being a christian does not have to represent the christian position oh don't mention my position which
02:33:12.820 is a christian position even though it's not versus christianity just allow me to speak of islam
02:33:17.460 please allow me to speak about islam don't speak about christianity because you're totally lying
02:33:21.540 of what this people are going to be shocked that's what you're doing okay brought the
02:33:25.220 brought the condition that we didn't agree upon in which i cannot mention christianity yes you've
02:33:28.660 never mentioned that agree to it yes we did i was on the phone we wanted to get the islamic
02:33:33.540 the islamic age of consent you said no i don't want to and i said okay well then i'm not doing the
02:33:39.380 debate you said okay then i will and i said okay if you will my understanding is that that's what you were
02:33:44.500 going to do that's a lot that's a lot you did no you didn't say that okay i said i'll tell you what
02:33:51.060 i said you mentioned the age of consent i said that's the topic that you choose i'll choose the
02:33:54.980 topic of the trinity there was nothing in our discussion which was like a few seconds by the
02:33:59.140 way because i we were not talking directly we're talking through sneaker there's nothing there is no
02:34:03.140 terms that you've brought dude that there is no terms no i was not on the speaker when you were
02:34:07.220 speaking the whole time with you when you claim that there is a condition that i cannot bring up
02:34:11.780 christianity that was never brought and sneak was just mentioned that to claim that this is the
02:34:15.060 case it's just a lie you're trying to bring that up now and enforce it so you can try to pretend that
02:34:20.500 you don't need to defend the christian position which is not going to happen either you're going
02:34:24.100 to speak you're going to represent your position which is a christian position as a christian i'm
02:34:27.300 going to represent islamism as a muslim or there's no point that we don't have a debate because you
02:34:33.380 don't understand the rules of debate or logical argumentation i'm not going to allow you to
02:34:38.900 fallaciously use whataboutisms over and over and over again it has nothing to do with the islamic
02:34:42.740 age of consent you've never demonstrated why it has anything to do with the islamic age of consent
02:34:48.660 nothing you just want to because you want to eat up time by the way that's very low tier and honestly
02:34:54.340 sir i'm gonna do that in my time i'm not eating nothing let's have time i'll do it on my time for
02:34:58.740 wasting my time with this low tier bullshit yeah you're gonna run away now right okay i said you can have
02:35:03.780 your time i said you can have your time why it is your prophet's a pedophile i'm here to write that
02:35:09.620 exactly that's what you're going to resort to this is the thing i said you'll have your time that's
02:35:12.660 what said in my opening i said specifically that your prophet's a pedophile okay now you said you'll
02:35:17.860 i said you'll have your time and i will have my time i can mention whatever i want in my time that's
02:35:21.300 not eating up the time because this is my portion you're trying to use silly excuses i don't know if you
02:35:25.540 even had formal debates have you have anyone ever seen a formal debate where people have time or
02:35:29.780 someone will join oh no no no don't talk about my religion and you can portion of the time still
02:35:33.700 have rules sir don't do that you can't use fallacy let's have an informal debate you realize that
02:35:39.860 let's let's have time and have a discussion if you don't want to do that then what we'll do
02:35:44.820 we'll reclaim the time 45 minutes on the age of consent let's start with this
02:35:49.060 how big do you think that uh that your prophet's penis was about the average size of an arab's penis
02:35:55.300 this is not this is this is a waste of time like there's no this is not a waste of time
02:36:01.540 this is necessary this was his character i think it's good it shows his character this is necessary
02:36:06.660 to the conditionals of my argument shows how much he's crying he doesn't have a discussion time
02:36:13.140 pertinent to the debate i'm asking him can you answer my question please
02:36:17.940 okay but as the moderator it doesn't make sense and there's there's no debate that makes sense if
02:36:25.860 you you can't attack a position without establishing your position you did your opening statement you
02:36:30.260 said that the problem and you don't know what the you're talking about you have no idea what you're
02:36:35.060 talking about zero new thing no clue what the you're even talking about all right he can attack
02:36:41.460 imaginary positions which is what he's doing essentially he doesn't even know my position
02:36:44.500 he's just attacking imaginary or sorry the muslim i'm literally asking you an opening question right
02:36:49.540 this second andrew we're not going to continue this if you can't be civil and curse and do this
02:36:53.780 stuff like especially if you're going to say we established in the beginning you've been this
02:36:58.900 whole conversation we've been trying to talk about the things that were established again before this
02:37:02.900 even started before i took down the timer you said that we weren't going to do the cursing and we
02:37:06.980 aren't going to get on civil like this i'm not cursing do you understand that what you just
02:37:13.220 saying means no that's cussing not curse to curse somebody's to actually curse them
02:37:19.380 okay he's saying the f word really sneeko the f word that's too much i can't say i can't say the f
02:37:25.460 word you can you could say what you want to say but this is it seems like this is a waste of time
02:37:31.060 i mentioned the prophet body part specifically for a reason and he exactly did what i said there's no
02:37:36.660 point that has none no relevance to the discussion uh but he would bring it up he would bring it up
02:37:42.900 something to do with the relevancy of whether or not you're going to have sex with it with somebody
02:37:47.060 who's not even reached puberty really here's what i think relevancy here's what i think because you
02:37:52.740 you're unable to allow the other party to speak for long is what you can have your time blocking bro is
02:37:57.780 you can have your time present your case i can have my time present my case we can do the same thing with
02:38:03.380 the topic no i want you to answer questions i've been courteous enough with you to allow you to
02:38:08.900 uh speak about your topic first i could have said let's talk about the eternity first and then refusing
02:38:12.820 to answer and the reason you're doing that that is the reason you chose uh the topic this specific
02:38:17.940 topic because what you want to do is to try to make me not talk about not to talk no no no you're
02:38:22.900 allowed to and uh we'll do that when we'll have a crossfire before we have a crossfire you're welcome
02:38:29.620 to have time you're welcome to have your time i'm welcome to have my time that's what we can do uh
02:38:34.660 other than that we can follow the terms of the debate that we agreed to which was no time limit
02:38:39.060 and you can answer my question does it stand to reason that's not the terms i agreed to that's not
02:38:43.700 the terms yes it was the terms you agreed to was to not have a time debate don't lie no no no no
02:38:50.020 no that's not true that's not true we said no hold up we said no timers back and forth but we did
02:38:56.020 agree that it was going to be 45 minutes each discussion 45 minutes for age you could sign 45
02:39:00.340 minutes for the trinity yeah but we're talking about a timed debate he's talking about having a
02:39:04.340 timer we specifically agreed not to have a timer because that's how you avoid questions oh okay i just
02:39:10.180 want to avoid actually answering the question now answer my question please would you say it stands
02:39:15.140 to reason that muhammad probably had probably had about the average size penis of an arab man
02:39:23.300 yes or no do you think so or not uh to respond anyone can go back and rewind the video and
02:39:30.100 show you're lying actually someone can clip that because i know you guys have a clipping culture
02:39:33.860 in which i said before we start before he started his opening statement i made it clear that if there
02:39:38.500 was interruptions and it's going to be uh uncontrolled we can have our each timing he never said i disagree
02:39:43.620 with this oh this is not allowed you want to rewind the video and then are they going to show that
02:39:48.500 it we are now he's crying now he's crying about it because he doesn't want me the conditionals
02:39:53.060 before we ever did the debate you don't jump in the debate and then create new conditionals dummy
02:39:58.580 that's not how it works we also we want to insult you we said we weren't going to do the insults
02:40:03.780 either it's not if it's true it is christianity that's not an insult if it's true
02:40:11.780 you agree with me there are dumb people in the world right right we said we weren't going to do
02:40:16.660 the ad hominem attacks andrew it's not an ad hom if it's true now can you can you please answer my
02:40:24.660 opening question can we actually get to the debate or can't we
02:40:27.540 i've made my position clear can i have time you can talk about you okay okay and then we can have
02:40:34.180 a crossfire simple question then here's my simple question to you do you think that it stands to
02:40:40.980 reason that muhammad the prophet which you worship likely had an average size penis
02:40:48.500 or an arab man do you think that that's does that stand to reason
02:40:52.100 we can have our timings and then we can do the crossover why are you answering my question
02:41:00.260 and i will respond to you once the timing is done and we go to the crossover portion
02:41:05.860 did d okay i'm sorry are you refusing to answer any questions that i asked you
02:41:12.420 no i'm refusing to let you as you think you're going to dictate the terms of the discussion that's
02:41:16.580 not going to happen and i mentioned that to you in the beginning you might think you're smart and
02:41:19.380 you can allow people to do you dictated your own terms i dictated mine i'm trying to do the debate
02:41:25.860 can you answer the question let's do the debate you have your time and speak no that's not my
02:41:30.820 time can you tell me when i do that no you know the terms before the debate which terms you agreed
02:41:38.180 that this would not be a timed response debate but an open debate i know i mentioned in the beginning
02:41:43.220 that if there is you can't change the terms when i get to the debate dude the whole point was that
02:41:48.340 there's no time responses if there's crossfire if there's interruptions and we're going back like
02:41:51.940 we can do the way we started the debate was fine open statement and then muscle mentors by almost
02:41:56.500 stable we can we can go this way but no we're not going that way we're gonna do what we agreed to do
02:42:03.860 he's just trying to dictate the terms you're not going to call dictating the terms when you lose when
02:42:08.580 you lose you try to dictate the terms that's what you do okay this is this is going in circles this is
02:42:13.540 logic dude what are you trying to lose we haven't even done a debate you won't even answer my opening
02:42:18.820 question mentioning the word logic doesn't mean what you're saying is logical right i know if you
02:42:22.580 mentioned a few times to try maybe oh really let me ask you a question can you even name you're not
02:42:27.220 gonna ask me a question you're gonna have your time i'm gonna have my time three possible logic
02:42:31.140 can you even name three laws of logic can you even name as i said as i said in the law of non-contradiction
02:42:36.820 the law of identity you want me to look look you don't you just what's the third one what's the
02:42:40.900 third one i'm not going to be i'm not going to be falling into i'm not gonna this is a such such
02:42:46.980 a childish behavior which just demonstrates how childish you are those i thought i expected more
02:42:52.820 i'm sorry you can't it's just a childish thing you know either you have your time i have my time or
02:42:58.660 there's no point or you're gonna run you know are you gonna answer my opening question question or not
02:43:03.620 so are you are we gonna have it now no we're not doing a timed response we're not doing time
02:43:08.820 we agreed not to do time don't lie and say we did neither one of you should be doing that neither
02:43:13.940 one of you fuckers should be lying and saying that you didn't agree to that because you definitely
02:43:18.100 agreed to it we also agreed to not do the insulting and not homes andrew uh but this seems like it's
02:43:24.340 going in circles here come on i call my friends fuckers all the time sneeko okay we're not friends
02:43:30.260 that's christianity yeah that's his christianity we're muscle lantern and myself we're not we're
02:43:34.740 not friends with you okay oh you guys are a bunch of puritans now you're puritans i can't say you said
02:43:39.940 the word fuck i don't know but you said you said in the beginning if you want to go on terms you did
02:43:44.420 say in the beginning you want to do this let's let's move on to the uh let me propose this as the
02:43:48.420 moderator okay uh we're going in circles on the asia consent we can return to this and it doesn't see
02:43:53.860 it seems like we have more agreement upon the terms of the debate when it comes to the trinity
02:43:57.460 not gonna do anything but the debate we came here to do man that's what i agreed to okay but we are
02:44:02.100 we've been going in circles for about 30 minutes if we can go to the trinity maybe we return to the
02:44:06.180 asia consent afterwards is that okay i would like i would like to finish i would like to actually do
02:44:10.020 this debate and i'd like him to actually adhere to the terms that he agreed to which is why i laid
02:44:14.740 him out so precisely no timing we agreed to that both of you agreed to it you can say you're not my
02:44:19.380 friend that's great but don't lie because you both agreed to that and so we're here i asked him a
02:44:24.100 simple question after we have this elongated meta conversation doesn't understand basic logical
02:44:28.740 argumentation that's fine but i asked him a simple question he can't even answer the simple question
02:44:33.780 that how's that good faith how's it how can we have a debate if he won't defend his position let's
02:44:39.220 highlight how he's openly lying over here and we can do that very simply use nico can on this uh screen
02:44:45.060 bring the stream and go before his opening statement where i explicitly told him that if there
02:44:50.020 would be interruptions that i explicitly mentioned that he's been interrupting multiple times there
02:44:53.780 would be time so it can be fair now we you're welcome to do that right now sneaker and show how
02:44:58.180 this guy is lying to his teeth few times now and this is the third or four or five fifth time he does
02:45:02.740 it you don't i explicitly mentioned to the debate and he did not say oh we cannot do that because we
02:45:08.100 were talking about the terms we were talking about uh talking about the prophet all of the we were
02:45:11.300 talking about terms we were agreeing on terms before his opening statement but now he wants to pretend
02:45:15.780 as if this was this was not the case that's not what was happening i came in and literally have
02:45:20.420 marketed this multiple times on my broadcast it's an untimed debate that's what we agreed to gave the
02:45:26.260 conditionals for the debate why i took the debate i'm a logical debater i'm here to have a logical
02:45:31.460 argument with you you're incapable of that you don't even understand the basic rules of argumentation
02:45:36.340 you think i need to have a position in order to to completely eviscerate yours not even necessary you
02:45:42.020 have a position here to defend i have a position here to defend you just refuse to engage with the
02:45:46.420 debate you also are now refusing to answer basic questions because you want to have some time back
02:45:50.980 and forth we never agreed to that ever it was never agreed to and i was even good faith enough to tone
02:45:59.060 down the opening statement that i had for you because your virgin ears can't hear any you know criticism
02:46:05.140 of your profit ridiculous so um that's it we're just i'm allowing him to exert his energy i'm not
02:46:14.340 going to do that and keep repeating he's saying oh you don't know logic he asked me all name three laws
02:46:17.860 of logic and then he couldn't you know oh you okay law of excluded middle there you go these are the
02:46:23.780 the three basic rules finally tell you what chat i don't have chat open such a lame i don't have i'm not
02:46:30.180 streaming how do i have chat to continue you know you see ha ha ha what is childhood behavior man
02:46:34.900 grow up i don't know how old you are honestly you honestly need to grow up a little bit decided to
02:46:40.260 change the terms when i get here yeah i'm understandably a little bit miffed by that you
02:46:44.020 refuse to go by the terms that you agreed to you don't understand i didn't agree with you on no timing
02:46:48.580 at all i didn't agree with that you did you did agree to that i said an untimed debate you said
02:46:53.140 absolutely you did agree to that i don't know if sneaker is going to tell the truth about it but you
02:46:56.980 definitely agree yeah but the the condition was unless it started cross-firing interruptions then
02:47:01.220 then we would do time because we assumed that it was going to be civil and we are not going to do
02:47:04.580 ad hominem attacks any such conditionals we said that in the beginning of the discussion
02:47:08.580 you can play it you can play it it's like you say people are going to see when you people are going
02:47:12.580 to see debate we change the rules when you actually get to the debate debate didn't start
02:47:16.580 yet we didn't have a discussion and you're being fair we said that we we did say this in the
02:47:21.140 beginning of the conversation um and because i care about the stream there's many people watching
02:47:25.620 um we can i'll propose this we can return to this because we're going in circles we cannot agree
02:47:30.740 about the age of consent i proposed that we've never had a debate on the age of consent there it's
02:47:37.060 not that there's a lack of agreement or some agreement right but both parties are disagreeing
02:47:40.980 both of them should move to the next part of the debate we haven't even done the first part of the
02:47:44.900 debate he refuses to even answer a single question of mine not one he just outright refused to answer any
02:47:53.220 questions i asked him he made that opening statement i made a rebuttal of his opening statement
02:47:57.940 i never made an opening statement if i was going to present my position and then you made an opening
02:48:03.460 statement you did for the entirety of it yeah that was a rebuttal first before i got into the portion
02:48:10.260 where i talk about my position that's why five minutes which debate in the world do you have five
02:48:15.460 minutes five minutes and then you get into crossfire there's not no time to present anything so
02:48:20.260 unless you've never debated in your life go please go ahead show me a debate in which there was five
02:48:24.340 minutes five minutes and the rest of the discussion open fire when you need to dictate
02:48:30.340 yeah oh you're yours yeah yes yeah exactly yours yeah you can see them oh actually the actual
02:48:35.220 debates yeah since modern day debate thousands of them on modern day debate everyone has his time
02:48:39.940 on modern day debate and after that they get into the rebuttal portion oh they have an open
02:48:46.340 how long is the opening statement five minutes it's about five minutes
02:48:49.380 you're wrong go ahead no i'm not wrong
02:48:53.140 disprove me so many come watch my debate on modern day debate with skylar fiction it was
02:48:57.220 two opening statements and then we went right into open dialogue i'm not talking about you i'm talking
02:49:01.060 about actual other people who debate bring me at the mail you can see with daniel kikachu they do their
02:49:06.420 opening statements then they go right into open dialogue exactly 20 minutes 20 minutes they have
02:49:10.740 feminist rebuttals then they have a backup it's not true people can people can see that on their own but
02:49:15.220 anyways yeah they can go see it on their own you're lying through your teeth you have no idea what
02:49:18.740 you're talking about sure sure they're going to do that on their own time as i said here this is the
02:49:22.580 format that i would agree with your format i don't agree with so it's as simple as that we're not
02:49:27.860 going to have it your way because you want to answer questions dude if you refuse to answer questions
02:49:32.340 there is no debate i had the opening question i had for the debate you refused to answer you said no i
02:49:37.780 want i want to have timed responses i want you to answer my questions i'll tell you this you'll have
02:49:43.060 your time and have my time i'll answer your questions oh no we're not we're not going to go back on the
02:49:47.060 format of the debate we're not doing it okay i'm not going to get to then you're trying to escape the
02:49:50.740 debate you're trying to escape the debate you wanted me to answer your question to the terms you
02:49:54.340 agree to the terms and then i'm offuscating by adhering to the terms okay you want that makes
02:49:58.660 me wanted me i already responded i didn't agree to that term of me not talking you did agree to it
02:50:03.140 i didn't agree yeah okay that's a lie we were on the phone well i mean all i can do is go out
02:50:10.340 and adhere to your honesty yeah yeah your own opinion right okay so that's what you have
02:50:19.380 in islam is it you just lied what you said was that there was no conversation before the debate
02:50:25.780 where you didn't agree okay this is getting childish if he's not gonna look it's over here it's past one
02:50:30.420 pm yeah if we can't make an agreement i'm just gonna i'm just gonna end this this is this is not
02:50:34.660 getting uh this is not this is not productive at all um i'll propose one more time like uh but we
02:50:39.620 can we can go to the trinity or or we can just end this as this is with asia consent it's going
02:50:45.460 nowhere being part of the debate never had the first part of the debate we're definitely not going
02:50:48.660 to have the second part if you guys won't even keep to the terms of what we agreed to no
02:50:52.260 no fucking way okay i appreciate you coming on all right that was a fucking mess
02:51:12.100 yeah i'm not gonna
02:51:12.820 uh all right it was going nowhere it was going nowhere
02:51:26.180 it was just gonna keep not going in circles there um obviously i have my opinions but i'm gonna
02:51:31.540 as moderator i'm gonna do my best to stay biased uh unbiased
02:51:35.460 i'm getting doesn't this remind you of the stipulations with um this is the same thing
02:51:47.300 like when we tried to set up the debate with shake with man and uh jideon's pastor it's just
02:51:51.860 like a debate about the debate you know um
02:51:59.300 yeah
02:51:59.620 what was the clip that you guys told me to watch pin the okay here it is
02:52:20.100 all right that was a mess
02:52:23.460 chat how could i have done better moderating
02:52:29.620 all right
02:52:38.660 yeah i i fixed um the the volume because it was not the volume wasn't equal i wasn't trying to make
02:52:44.580 it like drown anybody out it was just it wasn't equal you know
02:52:57.620 okay
02:53:15.380 okay i i never took a side
02:53:17.300 all right
02:53:24.900 your opening statement opening statement well before we do before we do opening statements
02:53:28.900 um so let's do each topic 45 minutes uh ideally we do it free-flowing i don't really like the timing
02:53:35.220 but if it gets uh if there's too much interrupting then we're gonna have to do timing but ideally it
02:53:39.460 seems like we're all on the same page so let's do each topic 45 minutes uh ideally we do it free-flowing
02:53:55.540 i don't really like the timing but if it gets uh if there's too much interrupting then we're gonna have
02:53:59.620 to do timing but ideally it seems like we're all on the same page that we're not going to do that um
02:54:04.820 um muhammad ali do you want to be specific like what would
02:54:18.820 uh did we just get i wanted to see the trinity portion
02:54:32.820 um
02:54:35.060 yeah okay i agree religious debates are just um
02:54:42.820 okay
02:54:52.820 um
02:55:02.820 okay
02:55:06.420 being fair i'm gonna i did speak to andrew before so i'm gonna i'll briefly muhammad ali asked me to
02:55:11.940 bring him back up
02:55:14.020 technically not moderator anymore but i'm gonna keep it unbiased i don't want christian to be like
02:55:18.340 oh i'm biased right now i did speak to andrew for about five minutes five to ten minutes before
02:55:22.580 the debate so i'm gonna call him and then briefly he said bring you
02:55:24.820 maybe i'm too biased to do maybe i'm too biased to do moderation hello salam alaikum debate's over
02:55:42.580 so i don't want anyone to to be like okay you're being you're being biased blah blah they're already
02:55:46.900 like um but okay yeah that was a mess and how do you think let me ask you this i'm sure you have
02:55:54.100 some things to say how do you think i could have improved as moderator because i said the christians
02:55:58.100 are complaining that it was bad moderation
02:55:59.620 uh i don't think the issue is you uh because the the thing is he had a position i had a position he
02:56:07.700 didn't want to change his position and of course i'm not going to change my position but i just
02:56:11.780 wanted to ask the people watching because majority of people watching you are not muslim is it fair
02:56:17.700 to ask for timing for each individual in which they can talk about their own position or their own
02:56:23.860 whatever they brought up or whatever they prepared in their own time that's the only thing
02:56:26.900 i'm asking the people watching to be fair and genuine if they are christians if they're fair
02:56:30.260 if they're genuine i i think they already know the answer to that question i did not
02:56:34.340 tell him do this or don't do that told him okay let's just have your own timing i have my own timing
02:56:39.540 but you know the reason i wouldn't allow this rule this idea which he was saying uh which not
02:56:45.380 talk about christianity i have here like in the last three four hours you cannot imagine how many
02:56:50.740 quotes do i have that display the the the church fathers were agreeing on ages like for instance
02:56:56.740 12 they believed barry was 12 years old uh the bible talking about the age and the commentaries
02:57:01.620 of the bible token that is just if you reach puberty then you're able to engage in intercourse all of
02:57:06.260 that was ready you know that's why he didn't want to uh me to talk about the christian position the
02:57:10.980 thing is he is a an offensive individual i don't want to but this is this i just want to keep it fair
02:57:16.340 because like yeah i don't want to continue the the back and forth while he's not here um because can we
02:57:21.700 do a poll and ask the people is it fair for each person to have their time let's just have that
02:57:26.420 poll well i mean okay i i there is a clip like where earlier um it said like i i went over completely
02:57:33.620 that we were gonna agree that i know yeah that's why i mentioned it multiple times and i said that he
02:57:39.380 was lying i said that he lied because of that reason because i know it's on video already you cannot
02:57:42.900 just claim that nothing was yeah i played it on stream already but yeah i'm trying to keep it as fair
02:57:47.140 as possible um and not so i did just by the way everybody in the chat i just texted uh andrew wilson
02:57:52.740 asking if i wanted to if you wanted to call privately one-on-ones to keep this because it seems like
02:57:56.980 it's the debate still feels like it's happening so i just want to be i do want to be fair um but
02:58:03.300 okay do you think um muhammad ali that i'm too biased to be a moderator i was trying my best i was
02:58:08.820 trying my best to keep it like uh logically you know consistent with both and i don't think the
02:58:15.460 reason that people will say you're biased is because a lot of them are of the christian position
02:58:19.940 because i am biased why but i am yeah no but talking about being biased in the tree in the
02:58:25.460 debate i don't think i was i'll see what andrew says for instance he had his opening statement
02:58:30.100 i started the first minute he interrupted me the first few sentences so you said allow him to do his
02:58:34.660 opening statement which was fair what is the unfairness there uh other than that i just asked
02:58:38.820 you certain things that happened what we agreed upon what you didn't agree upon he ended up calling you a
02:58:42.740 liar oh we we did agree on that by the way you remember on that call i it was not a speaker all
02:58:47.780 time i couldn't hear him only for the portion which we said okay let's have this topic and you have this
02:58:52.260 topic and the rest you were talking to him on the phone so he thinks as if i was like oh with him on
02:58:56.980 the phone or something you had a discussion with him there was no stipulation that i cannot talk about
02:59:01.780 or condition that i cannot talk about christianity that was brought up just right now so i know this is
02:59:06.420 giving me flashbacks i don't know if you remember but this was identical the last time i tried to host a
02:59:10.340 debate was with shake with man and jideon's pastor who made jideon start uh uh celebrating hanukkah
02:59:16.580 and then we just the whole debate was two hours of talking about the debate it was just the debate
02:59:21.060 about the debate and then it never it never got done but i do want to i do i don't want to give
02:59:25.380 up i want to continue hosting these in the future but you know i know when okay chat being fair and i know
02:59:32.340 the optics is bad because i'm here with muslim lantern but when he calls me fucker this stuff and
02:59:36.900 says i'm a liar like so it's also cursing and cussing are the same word just one is from the
02:59:42.500 south i and i did i knew that but i did not want to say that because i'm moderating i did not want
02:59:47.220 people to say 2v1 every by the way cursing and cussing are the same word and as soon as i said that
02:59:52.340 i'm like okay but i'm not going to do the 2v1 thing let it go okay but then when it yeah it's just but
03:00:00.660 yeah you're losing either way with the law of your audience because just no matter what you say
03:00:04.580 they're just going to say you're biased and you know you're going to just complain otherwise
03:00:10.180 whatever you say for something yeah i know again this is why um my camera is my camera's lagging
03:00:15.780 is it lagging for you yeah yeah a little bit it was like okay i'm not sure what it is um
03:00:22.420 thing is like as i was very fair from the position you can have your time i can have my time he wanted
03:00:27.060 me to answer his questions that was his argument i said i'll answer your questions on my time yeah because
03:00:31.620 how can i answer your questions when every time i speak you interrupt me you know you try to take
03:00:35.620 control over the debate which is the big tactic it's not going to happen right if you want fairness
03:00:40.020 you can have your time i can have my time and i can answer your questions in my time and the audience
03:00:43.620 can judge but he doesn't want that so when you bring him you're welcome to say that to him okay you want
03:00:48.660 him to answer your questions he can answer your questions in his time and if he doesn't you can speak
03:00:54.420 to the moderator and say okay i asked this this and that and he didn't answer them i'm happy to answer the
03:00:57.940 question and on my own time my own terms in my own way without interruptions from him you can tell him
03:01:03.300 that and i believe that's fair everyone has his own time everyone can answer the questions in their
03:01:08.020 own time how is that not fair on under any planning how is that not fair i don't know okay let me keep
03:01:13.380 it fair i'm gonna i'm gonna i'll call him and see if he answers and then that's fine okay and then i can
03:01:18.660 call you right back if he does not answer yeah that's fine let me know okay thank you i appreciate
03:01:22.420 your time i know i know you did a lot of research and stuff like this well actually while you're here before i
03:01:27.300 hang up and call him open invitation to anybody if they want to have this debate in conversation
03:01:31.380 any christian and i i have to admit wallahi i was under the complete the title of this debate is
03:01:37.460 islam versus christianity debate the reason i asked him is because he's a christian his name has chris
03:01:42.580 his christian in it on twitter um that that really that was the whole point and so i just being as fair
03:01:50.100 as i possibly can be let me call him i'll call you right back and i thank you all right no problem all
03:01:54.260 right all right okay oh my lord suleiman just texted me
03:02:07.540 so le mans says salam alaikum see go watch the debate there wasn't anything you could do
03:02:10.580 on fresh of it i thought the christians won here was clear andrew was afraid to defend his position
03:02:14.900 or belief the timing thing i believe andrew was right and the non-timing aspect of the debate should
03:02:18.980 have been at least attempted for the main body of the debate yeah uh yeah
03:02:26.740 yeah so suleiman saying that he think the christians wanted fresh and fit
03:02:30.660 but the whole point of this was um i wanted to hear about the trinity i wanted to hear about the
03:02:35.540 trinity because that that was the one thing that that was missed out on okay let me call andrew wilson
03:02:39.380 back keep it keep it and keep it fair let's see if he picks up
03:02:57.140 don't i'm sure i try okay
03:03:27.140 don't i'm sure
03:03:29.380 all right
03:03:46.420 okay all right now the debate's over and i'm going to talk
03:03:57.140 this is a funny row
03:04:20.980 no
03:04:24.260 lonely
03:04:27.140 i'm mr lonely
03:04:33.700 i have nobody
03:04:35.140 someone says we're not friends yeah okay because he's saying like i call my friends
03:04:38.420 fuckers so i'm pointing out like i i don't know you like that you know if you if you call your
03:04:44.260 friends like that then you know that this but i'm not your friend um that's not to be like an ad
03:04:50.580 hom or anything but that's just not the case you know i met i met him one time you know nice guy
03:04:56.500 i like the guy but i would it's just it is what it is that's factually true
03:05:02.020 i love speech is going to be a
03:05:06.980 love speech is going to be a goddamn nightmare
03:05:08.580 i love speech is going to be a goddamn nightmare
03:05:19.860 someone said sneak up against zirka to moderate with you
03:05:22.340 oh okay and you think all right bro all right yeah that's uh okay
03:05:30.580 you say
03:05:33.620 you say worse well not in a debate where i i we agree to be civil all right there's time and places for
03:05:38.580 for that type of language man can we have a movie night instead all right chad i don't want to end
03:05:42.820 um bro i i i want i really want to do the trinity debate right now i really do i really do
03:05:50.580 and let's be fair let's let's be fair how could you attack a position without having a position
03:06:00.900 you can't attack from nowhere you're going to have a position in battle there's two positions and then
03:06:06.100 you come at each other so you have to understand where the other person is coming from especially
03:06:09.780 when they say things like pedophile okay why do you believe that's a pedophile what's your world
03:06:13.940 view it isn't you can't argue from a subjective position right um i was surprised that andrew
03:06:23.780 wilson was gonna be like i'm gonna argue from you know i'm not gonna take a position to argue i've
03:06:28.740 never heard someone say that in a debate i've never heard that i was expecting i was expecting and
03:06:36.420 put a one in the chat if you were expecting him to argue from the position of a christian
03:06:40.260 his name on twitter is paleo christ con paleo christ con
03:06:49.220 i was expecting that the whole point was to do an islam versus christianity debate it was a follow-up
03:06:53.140 with the last debate that they did on fresh and fit um and then get into the trinity that was the whole
03:06:57.460 point how could you argue against the position without having a position where do you come from like
03:07:09.220 where where do you just appear you just evaporate
03:07:23.220 wait no that's muscle answer let me call him back maybe he didn't get that i called you back
03:07:38.500 i am free who wants to step in who wants to we need no we need a debate bro we need a debate that i just
03:07:47.220 hosted ufc and then the fucking alex pereira backed out
03:07:53.460 wants a disqualification
03:08:01.220 i'm calling jacosa right now
03:08:18.020 save the stream call young don bro i'm not doing i'm not gonna ambush young don bro he would hate me
03:08:23.620 forever bro you would hate me forever okay muscle mentor says call but he just has notifications
03:08:34.340 um okay so i i called back uh andrew wilson and uh he didn't pick up so i think it's fair to
03:08:40.660 to have a conversation we can we can consider the debate over and now we could speak as
03:08:44.260 as we usually do i'm not in moderator mode let me get up
03:08:56.260 out of moderator mode uh and now i'm your friend
03:09:02.100 how are you man how's everything everything honestly i was i was really i'm not gonna lie i was
03:09:06.260 really look for four hours nearly four hours i've just been writing uh like the it's i already have
03:09:14.340 them right but i was just writing them down so i can display them in a simple way in the discussion
03:09:18.900 and i welcome anyone uh any christian that you can bring up right now who would like to defend
03:09:24.420 the christian position of why is the age of uh consent age of marriage whatever it is it's age of
03:09:29.140 marriage for us if you if any christians would like because i don't want to waste the time of the
03:09:32.980 discussion you know and also i don't want to start reading it and people say oh you're unfair you
03:09:37.060 know why are you reading when there's no christian to defend either way whatever you do they're not
03:09:41.940 happy you know if they have an alternative christian right now who can step up and discuss the same
03:09:47.220 topics two topics i'm happy to do them you think we can get one right now there's still 11 000 people
03:09:51.780 watching that this is uh the very heavy stream i mean if we could get someone right now this would be
03:09:56.180 great yeah get whoever you want to get i don't mind like look we're not scared of anyone
03:10:00.500 but you got uh you got this guy i thought he's going to be the uh christian defender but apparently
03:10:06.820 it did not seem so and then you can uh bring someone else that the chat is is happy with so
03:10:11.860 we don't want them complaining too much later there there are people in the chat are saying that that
03:10:15.780 it's it's stupid but i i've never heard someone say that that they're arguing a position without
03:10:20.100 having it how could you attack a position without having a position does that no no let me like from
03:10:25.060 i've never seen that in a debate does that have you seen that before well in any formal debate or
03:10:30.820 any debate that happens in which in which every person has his own time you cannot place conditions
03:10:36.820 on the individual speaking about your own faith and position if this is the islam versus christianity
03:10:41.460 you got to have a case to defend right what he wanted to do is to only defend the trinity
03:10:47.620 right but no if you there are many christians who try to say that the trinity is in islam
03:10:53.060 by the way many many including sam and all of these guys that the the the christians keep mentioning
03:10:57.460 in the comments they did many times try to do that so you can try to do that you can try to bring the
03:11:01.460 quran and show how the quran actually has the trinity too and any of the senses you can do that if you
03:11:05.780 want no one is holding you from saying anything this guy jay dyer is uh they're saying is live right now
03:11:11.460 he was in the fresh and fit debate uh i think he's he's live in a space right now if someone could okay
03:11:16.500 there's 86 people in the space how about uh would you be down to you you would i already know right
03:11:23.220 i told you anyone you want to bring you can bring okay i don't want to waste tonight you know
03:11:27.460 already here oh he dm me in 2022 and said i host um fourth hour the chat keeps saying their name
03:11:38.740 so they're satisfied with him right yeah the whole the whole reason i'm saying is because the whole
03:11:42.020 chat the christians are spamming it right now okay um yeah he actually he asked me to debate two
03:11:48.820 years ago i didn't i just see this and then okay hello uh would you like to debate now my discord is this
03:12:04.020 okay they're saying ellie you go i didn't see the message i didn't see the message but um
03:12:16.980 okay one through ten rate the moderation skills chat i i could have done better i i probably i was
03:12:22.420 trying to figure out the right times to step in uh and um and keep it for you obviously i think you're
03:12:28.740 gonna yeah all right you're not the best person to ask for this chat what do you think
03:12:35.780 one through ten
03:12:38.580 i just dmj dyer too he's in a space someone hop in the space and tell him or maybe i can just join right
03:12:43.060 now it's um let's see this is why there's been opposite for me at this sites right because
03:12:50.820 cyril at times speaks in less precise terms than later cyril okay okay but but you see the so i i'm
03:13:00.500 i'm still you're just referring to those books basically to kind of resolve that issue because
03:13:06.340 do you see my issue that like the bible seems to speak invited right now as being very responsive
03:13:12.580 and very no but i'm saying only orthodox christianity solves this by the essence of
03:13:18.100 inner distinction and by god's willing reciprocity okay um even if you doubt what if you did away
03:13:24.100 with impassibility wouldn't that solve it oh i mean it's a fundamental dog wait wait orthodox theology
03:13:32.340 that the divine nature is the title is i'm in the title of the space understand that but what i'm
03:13:37.300 saying is that this seems like a problem okay so this is perfect uh muhammad ali that the title of this
03:13:42.580 debate says debate catholics muslims protestants sneko slash
03:14:02.340 tape fans god perfect right perfect humbly love we do it right now audience he's already targeting your
03:14:09.300 audience hey he already he's already in okay there's some i see love speech members in here
03:14:12.580 there's plato zerk rage alako gabriel all right this is this is perfect this is perfect
03:14:21.940 but i i have a feeling he's going to want to debate me instead of you
03:14:26.660 well i'm here too bad for him he wants to discuss it doesn't matter who you're discussing with right
03:14:32.580 if he's a preacher then you should have a discussion with someone who does that one
03:14:35.940 this is what christians always complain about isn't it
03:14:42.820 chat saying cloud chaser oh it's lagging oh man
03:14:55.140 oh we're back okay okay we're back we're good
03:14:58.420 andrew's wife i just want to remind the people with something very important right
03:15:08.180 if whoever re-watches the discussion you're going to see that the points that he brought up in his
03:15:13.940 own timing i rebutted them in in the time that i saw right he was making all this argument about like
03:15:18.820 the preview business and i respond the asha was not so all your argument about the profit doesn't work
03:15:22.660 there anyways because all of it is about something which isn't true secondly i also responded with if there
03:15:27.620 is a true like he said harm happening from the intercourse then islamically that's haram so that
03:15:32.180 you don't have that's not something that we would call moral therefore you don't have an argument there
03:15:35.380 to begin so i did respond to what he was saying he tried to pretend that i didn't but i did and i would
03:15:40.100 be happy to respond to any questions that he uh he brought forward but yeah it's that i think that
03:15:45.060 question was pretty unnecessary the um the what's of course you know what he's trying to do right you
03:15:50.420 know what he's trying to do and uh some people might not know this but i've already been told by some of my
03:15:56.340 followers they saw him made the stream prepared for preparation for the stream and he literally
03:16:00.500 said i'm gonna try to get him you know uh not to be uh to have his composure get him angry and that
03:16:06.260 that was he thinks i like i've not dealt with that before or something you know 34 7 i'm with people who
03:16:11.140 are like completely not uh you know it doesn't have zero manners and screaming and shouting and
03:16:16.260 interrupting i deal with them every day he thinks that he's gonna make me lose my composure by like
03:16:20.500 trying to make these insinuations it's really sad to see uh but yeah i think people can tell
03:16:26.900 the difference well you know it's funny uh andrew's um just coincident andrew's wife is in here is in
03:16:32.500 the space right now oh okay a small world that's interesting yeah um okay i don't know what they're
03:16:43.460 saying like i'm gonna listen to the space i'm gonna see if they're ready to join in fact uh in fact we we
03:16:48.660 recite in the liturgy the words of maximus the confessor that he underwent no change when he
03:16:53.940 became man what this means is that his divinity his nature i requested to join um my name is in
03:16:59.780 the title of the space i don't know why i'm not allowed to speak in the in my space you know my
03:17:07.060 name's in the title you should you should add me right now i've requested i'm gonna request again
03:17:10.820 i mean they see it like anybody he's the host of the space okay maybe he won't do it um
03:17:23.300 okay let me check the dms i'll see if he dm back
03:17:25.780 yeah he didn't dm back okay um would you debate zirka right now i don't think zirka would want to
03:17:43.860 debate that position isn't it i don't think i don't know what about you know how it is with
03:17:48.100 zirka you know if you want to bring zirka for a chat that's a different story you can have a chat
03:17:52.020 they already have a debate right me and him we're gonna call that debate you know
03:17:55.780 whatever that was uh i already i called jacosta but he didn't respond
03:18:04.180 hello zirka rage would you would you like to come in he's zirka rage is a christian
03:18:08.420 he i i gave him a job earlier so you owe me one bro i know he's watching the stream right now you
03:18:13.060 you owe me one he's okay he's a portuguese christian and uh i don't think i don't think
03:18:18.180 christians would be satisfied that's the thing we can talk to anyone obviously but they're gonna
03:18:21.380 say oh look you're bringing this well you're the person you guys chose didn't want to continue
03:18:25.940 the discussion fairly everyone and with his own timing what can i do for you you know cannot do
03:18:29.940 anything for you uh a lot of people can also in try to insult and curse like just direct insult in
03:18:35.700 the chat which means that you believe like that your representative didn't do well because it means
03:18:39.540 you're upset and you're resorting to insult so don't be resorting to insult because that is not a
03:18:44.500 good representation of you as a christian right i've not insulted any of you the muslims will not
03:18:49.380 insult you because we can clearly see how the discussion went if you're angry and mad then
03:18:54.100 you maybe you should rethink why you're angry and mad and resulting to uh childish insults well okay so
03:19:00.900 because i saw something actually i saw something from myron i and and i i i was i was surprised
03:19:05.700 because there's this clip that this myron uh updates or something he uh tagged me and where myron calls me
03:19:13.140 like a an ass clown or something like that i was like okay so i made a point about you and sneaker
03:19:19.460 just okay i rebut that point and present it you don't need to insult i i speak with him by the way
03:19:24.500 he just added me into space he wants to make this debate uh three and three and this and that but it's
03:19:29.060 best to talk face to face we end each other so we have that discussion face to face but this insults
03:19:33.700 on the stream i don't think it's a respectable kind of thing they do uh and by the way yeah some people
03:19:38.980 mentioned something uh to me that maybe you can briefly mention is when you were sitting with
03:19:43.540 zirka like you had this idea about the gay uh son versus the uh you know the christian they said that
03:19:49.780 and you said that you disagree on this and that i think you should clarify to the audience is that
03:19:54.260 you're not saying islamically that shirk is not the biggest sin you believe that shirk is the biggest
03:19:58.660 sin islamically and you believe that it is a bigger sin than homosexuality from an islamic point of
03:20:03.540 view as a muslim but you're saying as a personal preference due to the feelings you have
03:20:08.180 you would choose this this over the up is that correctly your position or not because a lot of
03:20:12.260 people thought that you mean that know that shirk is a lesser sin no no i i know shirk is a greater
03:20:17.700 sin and i know that that's not um uh ideal but it's just i would be lying if i said like if i imagine
03:20:24.260 my son right now i'm picturing like of the two would i pick it having a gay son or having a christian son
03:20:30.260 it's christian son i know shirk is the greatest sin and i know people were discussing it and um you know
03:20:35.380 people were calling it out blah blah i think a lot of these people that like nitpick stuff like
03:20:38.580 this sneaker doesn't know shirk is a good yeah i know i know i'm being honest it's a stream this
03:20:42.980 stuff like this there's there's a lot of like youtubers and uh i have to be real i think a lot of
03:20:47.940 the there's there's a specific group not you um of like uh muslim content creators that just want clout
03:20:54.180 and so they're just like does he know this does he know that oh i'm here criticizing bro you just
03:20:58.900 want to put my name in the title this stuff like yeah i know shirk is the greatest sin i've established that
03:21:03.300 many times i'm aware but i'm just like admitting and lie and i would say i'm lying if i would prefer
03:21:09.220 having a gay son over a christian son you know that that's all i'm saying yeah no the only problematic
03:21:15.860 thing is is you and you don't hold that position is to actually believe it's not the biggest sin and
03:21:20.100 you don't hold that no i don't they cannot criticize you yeah there are certain things in which you can
03:21:23.940 have feelings as muslims that we're not under our control specifically we're socially conditioned to
03:21:28.900 view certain things certain ways and your subjective choice is going to be based on that
03:21:33.540 right but that doesn't mean you're saying the same is greater than the other and i understood
03:21:36.980 that's why you meant that's why i like i didn't like even call you or discuss it with you yeah
03:21:41.860 when it gets to the point where people are criticizing that i think i think it's a little
03:21:44.420 much where they can't see that they're saying chat saying um chat yes or no should you bring
03:21:48.500 a demi to debate i'm joking we love that but um maybe i agree i agree the chat i will completely
03:21:58.100 agree that this is the best representation of christianity um let's see this guy the alex
03:22:04.900 shows guy okay by the way they mentioned this person jay and and he it's impossible that he didn't see
03:22:10.820 you because you joined the debate i think you'll be all the other yeah my name is in the title of course
03:22:14.340 you saw like okay anyone knows that he's avoiding he that is a perfect example i'm gonna say that
03:22:21.140 that's running like my name's in the title i requested to speak there was only 80 people in
03:22:25.620 the space before i joined it tripled the size when i just clicked on it now i dm'd him and he's dm
03:22:31.220 many times he does not want to join right it's fine um but maybe he's busy or something like that
03:22:35.220 i'm not going to say why oh jacosa okay um nick they say nick i'm happy to speak to nick why not
03:22:41.140 uh nick fuentes doesn't do theology debates uh he doesn't okay zirka rage responded um is it okay
03:22:48.180 can i add jacosta and zirka rage it'd be what if we do a 2v1 um you versus those two yeah that's
03:22:54.900 my only issue is like last last time you saw with with uh jacosta he was interrupting right he's not
03:22:59.860 allowing me to finish sentences and that getting very emotional i don't do emotional right someone is
03:23:04.820 able to just the same thing with andrew i was saying okay you allow every person to speak if we do that
03:23:10.340 you want to bring 100 christians with i don't mind welcome to bring 100 christians the call okay uh
03:23:15.700 i'm gonna add that i get my chance to speak actually i respond you know okay i'll make sure that that
03:23:20.500 happens but but i don't think that they will be satisfied that's that's the saddest thing you know
03:23:25.780 we try to satisfy them but whatever whoever we bring they're not going to be satisfied they're just going
03:23:30.260 to resort to childish insults which is sad it's too bad i don't want this uh oh jacosa is calling
03:23:39.940 hold on i'm gonna okay i'll add him and just let me add uh zirka rage too i think it's fair if it's a
03:23:46.260 it's a 2v1 because uh all right jacosa subbing in here we go w jacosa man saving the stream once again
03:23:53.300 okay i have to uh add him to the dm hold on
03:24:00.020 let's add him he was watching the stream too so he's gonna we'll keep it fair let's go
03:24:09.460 this is a chaotic ass dream chat hey jacosa how you doing man hey what's up man how you feeling
03:24:17.540 uh feeling good uh did you listen to the debate i saw like the first part of it and then i had to
03:24:23.620 jump on a zoom call so i didn't get to see the full debate i want to i want to analyze that how was um
03:24:28.900 how was andrew wilson was he respectful um well you know i'm the moderator so i don't want to get into
03:24:34.660 that but i will say um it was do you remember uh jacosa do you remember the jideon stipulation debate
03:24:42.020 with his pastor and shake his mind yeah that was oh yeah judy on and with his uh what was he doing
03:24:48.900 uh jewish celebrations yeah i remember that celebrating hanukkah yeah i mean it's okay we
03:24:54.420 don't want to say negative things but this debate was identical well we just ended up talking about
03:24:58.580 we just stipulated the whole time and then we didn't actually get to discuss stuff wait how did
03:25:03.220 how did it end did you guys just like end the debate because you couldn't be cordial it was getting
03:25:07.060 yeah i would say it was getting a little bit childish and um there were a little some ad
03:25:12.100 homes and stuff like this but yeah it was going nowhere so okay so i gotta say this the the first
03:25:17.620 argument for andrew was ridiculous i can't even lie okay i love andrew wilson he's like he's a g but
03:25:26.420 you know um i think that first argument was a little weird in the way he expressed it um i have to
03:25:31.780 watch the whole debate i it's a little weird if you talk about like penis sizes and so i
03:25:36.980 i don't know i didn't i i gotta admit i didn't expect that and i like i was moderator so like
03:25:43.940 i'm gonna be fair when i saw him bring out the ruler and a bullet i started laughing but
03:25:50.900 but you don't need to watch the rest of it because it was it went in circle if you saw the first half
03:25:54.500 that was the whole thing yeah like it was i'm talking about entertainment value that was fantastic
03:25:59.940 like even just to begin it was absolutely entertaining i have to like dive into it to like
03:26:04.260 to see the actual logistics of the conversation to see you know just in my opinion who won i just i
03:26:08.660 just got the phone with uh with warner and ways um when you were calling me i was on the phone with
03:26:12.980 with warner wait warner's uh well i don't wanna i guess i don't wanna speak for him but um it is true
03:26:18.580 lately um andrew wilson has been a little wild on twitter like i don't really support like the absolute
03:26:24.340 disrespect of another religion i don't support that so like i think a lot of what he says on twitter is not
03:26:30.820 cool but um i do support him as a debater he's a fantastic debater i don't know what went on today
03:26:36.980 but i have to go back and and watch that you you saw i mean it's painted value this is great yeah you
03:26:42.020 you saw it pretty much oh i did that that's pretty much what it was the whole time yeah yeah you you
03:26:47.140 got it also i don't know if you know but uh muhammad ali's in the call yeah yeah oh how you how you
03:26:51.860 doing sir i'm okay how are you uh i know actually you can watch the because there was an opening statement
03:26:57.220 of him and then i did rebut his opening statement a bit and was getting into my position but the time
03:27:02.660 was over and then he just did not want then uh a time for each he wanted to just kind of talk over
03:27:11.380 because i brought this point multiple times you can say that's bias you can watch and then see how it
03:27:16.020 was he didn't want each one to have his own time he said i'm going to avoid his questions i said i'm going
03:27:20.020 to answer your questions in my own time that's fair have your time i have my time you didn't want me to
03:27:24.820 speak about christianity when it comes to opposition on the age of consent he said i'm not allowed to do
03:27:29.540 that the only thing i would say uh muslim lantern andrew wilson is known for being chill respectful
03:27:37.860 chill like um like i know his words are aggressive but he his temperament is cool so it did seem a little
03:27:44.020 crazy in the beginning like for the first 10 minutes talking about hey don't say anything offensive
03:27:48.580 because especially if for example you know i had a conversation with siko about this before
03:27:54.100 the truth hurts sometimes the truth hurts according to our perception of what truth is
03:28:00.260 so when we say as christians the truth of what we believe let's say we believe muhammad is a false
03:28:05.540 prophet let's say would you find that to be disrespectful no saying he's the fault okay so
03:28:10.020 things like that are not disrespectful to you and that's why i was clear if you say prophet muhammad
03:28:14.900 was a false prophet and then give your reasoning for why he was that's what discussion is right i don't
03:28:19.780 have an issue with that my would you say is what he was doing which maybe you've not seen in the
03:28:24.260 debate talk about body part a specific body part of the prophet what was the size of how is that
03:28:29.300 related to this yeah that was a little that was a little crazy oh my god not only in the beginning
03:28:33.780 he did that in the end and then he said i'm refusing to answer his question oh was it the average arab size
03:28:39.300 so like this is just a childish behavior and i didn't expect that it's funny it's it's entertainment
03:28:43.380 value like he definitely brought the entertainment with that i was uh i enjoyed i was hilarious i know but
03:28:48.340 jacosa i mean jacosa the whole purpose of the debate was to actually have a real discussion
03:28:54.980 about these topics it was not for entertainment value and that's exactly why i don't like religious
03:28:58.980 debates is because it gets to like this like who can get a clip moment it's a show right it
03:29:04.020 becomes like nicks versus lakers and it becomes a spectacle right and religion should not be a
03:29:08.820 spectacle it should be something it's very serious dodging jay no no i just i just said uh i just said
03:29:13.700 for him to dm me like i dm'd him my discord so we can add him now also andrew wilson just
03:29:18.100 tweet it i'm gonna uh show it on well i'll just read it bro actually let me share it so you guys
03:29:22.020 can see um actually uh i debated young don today oh how to go about the trinity no no no um well i mean
03:29:29.940 i would love to debate him on that but um i actually uh debated him on marriage because basically he was
03:29:38.580 pointing out a verse in the scriptures saying that if a man divorces a woman on the grounds of
03:29:44.020 adultery let's say she cheats on him and he divorces her he believes that a man cannot remarry
03:29:49.780 my position based on the scriptures is that a man can remarry as long as the divorce is based on
03:29:55.940 adultery or death death ends the marriage and adultery will end that contract but he's misinterpreting
03:30:03.140 this one verse um and making it seem as if a man who is innocent an innocent mate in a marriage
03:30:11.060 cannot remarry if the other mate commits adultery and breaks the contract i'm on the position that
03:30:17.940 he can remarry and you know so we had a little debate on myron's face today it was actually it was
03:30:23.300 really really informative i mean people people were taking both sides um but yeah there's a couple
03:30:28.820 things that disagree with well as full to young don he said uh when we were talking about the
03:30:33.220 shirk versus gay thing and young don said that you can't be gay and be a christian which is not true
03:30:39.460 you could be gay and be a christian that's it that's the the argument for that is like being
03:30:43.700 gay is a bad sin but then you could be a sinner and still be a christian because everybody sins
03:30:47.940 right if you and i asked him like what if you're an alcoholic he's like an alcoholic can't be a christian
03:30:51.700 well then how far are you going to go with the sins like if you curse can you not be a christian
03:30:55.940 if you you know if you've messed up before if you've like stolen a bar of candy are you not a
03:31:01.300 christian anymore okay but there's two things i want to address uh one or two three things uh
03:31:07.060 told jade dm me so we can set up right now okay everyone's saying i'm ducking let's do it right now
03:31:11.700 two i got a 400 donation just now the biggest donation i think in a year and that's going right
03:31:16.420 to chris so chris from rumble uh dinner on me uh action one one two five says why is sneko muting christians
03:31:22.980 why if this was set up with a defense position are you pretending it was two way on both topics
03:31:27.860 andrew would have prepped for two way you could see it on sneko's face i don't know what i don't
03:31:33.220 know what you're talking about okay we said age of consent and trinity i didn't know that it was going
03:31:38.100 to be attack defense i've never seen it like it's like we're doing uh football drills where you just
03:31:44.260 you pretend to i didn't think it was going to be a pretend debate where you pretend to not be a christian
03:31:49.860 for one i thought we were going to talk about what we believe in right andrew wilson publicized
03:31:54.660 that he's a christian his name on twitter has christ in it so i was assuming that he was a
03:31:59.460 christian and he would argue from a christian point position because he is i would never expect muslim
03:32:04.340 lancer to be like okay today i'm going to argue as an atheist that's ridiculous to me uh if i was
03:32:08.820 mistaken upon that if you expected that then we disagree two andrew wilson tweeted just now it's on
03:32:14.100 screen he said so they lied refuse to argue without using fallacies and don't understand basic logic
03:32:19.940 i took the hardest position for christians to defend and made sure it wouldn't uh have
03:32:25.700 fallacious arguments of what about you for maximum good faith unreal can i just make a comment on that
03:32:33.620 he says he took the position of had this position for christians to defend we didn't even get to the
03:32:37.460 trinity i don't know what he's talking about right and he chose the the age of marriage consulting and i
03:32:42.580 agreed even though i told him it's not even an argument against islam that's how i refuted
03:32:46.260 it refuted his whole segment because i made the three points to demonstrate why his point
03:32:52.420 is or his argument is not even something that disproves islam so if this is that islam versus
03:32:57.060 christianity debate is lost but he he knew that it's not in islam versus christianity and he tried to
03:33:01.300 make it his personal position versus this but i saw something interesting in the tweets look
03:33:05.780 what someone told him which is the point i made multiple times you do you realize you can't ask a
03:33:10.900 person to defend a topic that is tied to morality there's an underlying morality that is the basis
03:33:16.580 of the argumentation so where where you derive the morality from the objective morality which is what
03:33:20.980 the point i was making for him if you ask someone to substantiate what is immoral to have x you can't
03:33:26.020 argue without morality defined so the argument i was making is okay where do you derive morality from
03:33:31.940 because your argument is x action is immoral what the prophet did so we have to agree first where do you
03:33:37.460 define morality how do you define morality where do you source it from so i said to him that has to be
03:33:41.700 done and that's why i wanted to present the christian position of morality on the idea of the age of
03:33:46.980 marriage and age of concern so if he's a christian his defense um the reason why andrew wilson said
03:33:54.580 that is because recently um there was a debate between destiny and andrew wilson and they're debating
03:34:00.900 on how debating works so his point was that he was his point was that you can refute someone's argument
03:34:10.260 without having a position on it so you know without having your own position so i think that's what he
03:34:16.180 was doing he you were forcing him to have a position on the morality no no of it when he he just wanted
03:34:22.580 to review refute your position on it he didn't want to have it i agree i agree and there's a reason he did
03:34:27.780 that because he knows he has a losing position from a belief perspective but the thing is you cannot
03:34:33.060 just say maybe uh is it no but what he was saying by the way is not what you say it's not that i wanted
03:34:39.780 home i wanted him i don't think i don't think it's because he doesn't he doesn't have his friend of
03:34:43.940 jedi i think he doesn't want you to get distracted because i noticed that a lot of muslim christian
03:34:49.220 debates um sometimes like from a christian standpoint muslims will focus on the christian
03:34:53.940 perspective and not focus on their own stance so he was trying to force you and put you in a corner
03:34:59.220 to address your stance on it and i do notice that is like a tactic i mean it's a good tactic but
03:35:04.660 you know instead of like speaking on your own stance you'll deflect to the other person's stance
03:35:08.820 like oh well what's the christian viewpoint on it and then it'll take away from the conversation
03:35:12.740 he's trying to hold you down and say beat on what you believe in jacosa that's what he addressed
03:35:17.860 two things like one thing i want to do point out for the christians as moderator muscle
03:35:21.540 lantern did at first he said that there's no harm allowed in islam he said marriage is allowed after
03:35:25.620 puberty and then he brought up christian so he defended the position because like he was just
03:35:29.700 under this assumption that i was going to be attack defense he defended a position and then he questioned
03:35:33.300 his he did both he addressed he didn't even mention i didn't mention christianity in my segment i first
03:35:39.460 responded to his his uh argumentation that he made in his opening statement and second i was making my
03:35:45.140 position as a muslim i was saying okay i believe one i believe two i didn't even get to christianity
03:35:49.940 but the thing is he was not saying what you're saying uh jacosta he was saying that i don't get
03:35:54.020 to talk about christianity it's not that he doesn't have a position he said you know but weren't you
03:35:58.500 trying to but from in his defense weren't you trying to based on what you're saying now um trying to get
03:36:05.060 him to kind of clamp down on the christian stance on morality weren't you trying to get him to say no i
03:36:10.900 was i was doing the following first i'm going to defend islam any point that he would make i would
03:36:15.140 respond to it and i told him when we have the time ask your question and respond to it so i'm going to
03:36:18.820 defend islam number one number two i'm going to present how what he's attacking is hypocritical
03:36:24.820 because his own belief is the same thing he's attacking well that's the thing see that that's
03:36:29.140 what he that's what he thinks you're focusing on his belief and hey and how you know why you leave
03:36:33.940 it number one i'm just telling you i'm going to defend this now right it's a islam versus christianity
03:36:38.180 he cannot tell me don't talk about the christian position regarding the issue because because then
03:36:43.140 well he can and that's the point that's that's why that's what i'm telling you no but that's what he
03:36:46.660 made with destiny on this exactly yeah he's debating with him i don't agree with that position
03:36:51.700 but that's the thing like that's why he's trying to make it clear from the from the start i have a
03:36:55.380 defense position and then on this topic i have an offensive position so we can go into it with the
03:36:59.780 right mindset so you don't so that i'm gonna be frank so that you don't just like deflect back onto
03:37:06.100 him which is what you're doing now like i'm not going to talk about my position because you're a
03:37:09.860 hypocrite and you're christian's viewpoint it's like now you're i didn't say that though okay yeah
03:37:15.300 but that makes no sense because i told you i responded to his point first so i cannot deflect
03:37:20.020 when i'm already responding to your argument did you did you give your your position fully on on how
03:37:25.220 on your stance on uh morality of let's say uh marriage and child marriage yeah so he made points
03:37:32.980 in his opening statement i rebutted them from an islam point of view okay number one and you can watch
03:37:38.340 later if you like second thing i was doing is given my position before the time ended so i had
03:37:43.700 points for what my islamic position is and the time ended sneaker told me okay it's enough you had the
03:37:48.660 same time so i couldn't finish in and on this specific point you see in the debate so i did not
03:37:53.620 even bring up christianity so to try to say that i'm trying to do what about this and when i've never
03:37:57.780 even mentioned anything to do with christianity is just absurd oh okay uh jaydar is ready i'm gonna
03:38:04.340 uh oh i did you or actually you know what would be fair um yeah let's see what you think about
03:38:12.580 proposing this uh maybe this could help the moderator thing jacosa would you um would you
03:38:16.980 moderate with me because you're christian yeah let's do it most of my answer do you think that's
03:38:21.780 fair jay dyer yeah oh wow okay that's big i'll have you i'll have you in here um if you could do
03:38:28.900 me a favor just if you can mute for most of the time and then like um yeah send text and then if
03:38:33.060 it gets too chaotic blah blah blah then we could step in but i think it'd be too supervising blah
03:38:37.540 blah then no one's gonna complain i'm just i don't want nobody in love speech to say like
03:38:41.860 it's complaining or it's 2v1 if you're here in the call and also have the moderators uh
03:38:46.660 on you all the christians they even muted me they muted you okay yeah they muted me out of the chat
03:38:53.140 crazy wait just now are you banned forever no earlier you know when i first in the beginning
03:38:59.220 of the debate they just they muted me because i was like writing uh stuff about um uh muhammad
03:39:06.020 because of uh his first dance and like just coming from a christian standpoint and they muted me okay
03:39:10.500 i'm unmod those mods let's get the chat fair too so it's on both sides okay okay i'm adding um
03:39:17.380 all right so dracosa will stay muted and then let me add jay dyer let's go
03:39:27.220 all right finally luckily muscle lancer gets to use his notes they don't go to waste
03:39:30.980 oh
03:39:45.140 let's go
03:39:52.740 yo hey jay can you hear me yeah what's up nice to meet you man hey how you guys doing
03:40:00.980 doing good doing good so this is uh muhammad ali and then we also have a fellow christian
03:40:04.900 jacosa here a representative of the love speech community um so we just i'll keep you up to just
03:40:10.740 bring you up to speed we just had a a half debate kind of uh andrew wilson versus a muslim lantern
03:40:16.420 this muhammad ali up here and it we weren't able to agree to the terms of the age of consent but we
03:40:21.860 do really want to hear about uh the trinity if we could do a trinity debate i don't know if you're
03:40:25.620 if you're ready if you want to do that right now but uh me and jacosa because he's a christian
03:40:29.460 i would be unbiased we can moderate it right now um you versus the muslim lantern
03:40:34.900 uh yeah i'm not opposed to debating trinity i have just debated for the last four hours so i'm
03:40:39.620 a little bit tired but i'm not opposed to doing it okay we can keep it short um i don't want to
03:40:45.300 keep it house 45 minutes uh let's we could start five well i mean you don't have an opening statement
03:40:50.980 prepared um i i do everything extemporaneous i i i would i mean i would i can do an opening statement
03:40:57.540 at the extemporaneous it doesn't matter i mean you did you want to do timed or a conversation
03:41:01.460 or what style let's let's agree on that now ideally okay so i'll do the same uh terms that
03:41:06.580 we had for the last debate but it went south so i i think having an opening statement for both sides
03:41:11.940 would be fair around five minutes cap uh we'll cap it at five minutes and then we can go free-flowing
03:41:16.500 back and forth but if there's too many interruptions then we'll have to do timing things and then that's
03:41:19.940 when the moderators will have to step in uh yeah that's a good idea i can do that yeah so the thing
03:41:27.860 is uh like andrew you know i was having a discussion with him uh he was wanting to talk about the age of
03:41:35.300 marriage to the age of consent right versus the trinity so i don't know if you want to mention
03:41:39.700 something about islam as well to be fair because talking just about the trinity is just a christian
03:41:43.460 thing uh so although i mean usually trinity versus tawhid is what we debate yeah if you that so if
03:41:49.300 you want to debate that that's fine and you already debated that so you should already have your notes
03:41:53.540 ready i believe right because your last debate was kind of to do i don't do notes man i just i just do
03:41:58.340 everything except for this hey no no i'm just making that point clear they've already had a debate on
03:42:03.300 this topic just recently so you if you did have notes you would have them prepared so you can say that
03:42:07.620 but something they've already done right so we were having a discussion uh me and and andrew we can do
03:42:13.300 that if we allow each other to speak finish the points and ask questions i think that can work
03:42:16.500 with between me and you if the moderators notice they just becoming interrupting and stuff like
03:42:21.460 that someone's trying to take over then what we can do is is just turn it into timing right does that
03:42:27.140 seem fair yeah it's fine all right so uh and i made this uh and i don't think you will but i made this
03:42:33.220 point before in the previous discussion is like no insulting of the prophet uh directly by mentioning
03:42:38.740 calling him names and stuff like that i don't think you will do that uh but i'm just highlighting
03:42:42.820 that because it's against my faith so i cannot be in the call if this if this is happening if that's
03:42:47.460 fair you can let me know if not you can also tell me your position okay all right uh do you have a
03:42:53.300 camera by any chance uh we're live on youtube so my camera is active for youtube right now oh okay
03:43:02.500 okay you can activate it on um on discord too
03:43:08.180 yeah hold on
03:43:11.460 i know uh yeah a lot of guys are used to stream yard and stuff
03:43:13.700 if not if not if not it's not a big deal but uh preferred
03:43:30.420 all right yeah looks good
03:43:35.540 all right
03:43:35.860 okay um who would prefer to uh to go first does it matter uh i don't mind if you'd like to i don't
03:43:45.940 know if you would like me to go first or would like to go first i'm a very uh reasonable person
03:43:50.900 so let me find a piece i need a piece of paper i would take notes so hold on okay sure they were
03:43:57.700 complaining about the volume earlier uh muhammad your your your volume is a little low i had you all the
03:44:02.340 way up but it's and then even that the christians loves you down or something no no it's a little low
03:44:09.700 uh okay you you could turn it up but uh i don't i think it's the loudest i can get it right now but
03:44:15.940 i'm just also speaking uh i'm not speaking loudly because uh it's 2 a.m you know right i understand
03:44:23.460 yeah i mentioned to you about the neighbors and stuff i don't want to be waking them up or something
03:44:32.340 okay uh this is the trinity versus towheed debate let's get a opening statement from
03:44:57.540 uh i'll start with jay okay yeah so the doctrine of trinity is a doctrine that is not derived from
03:45:04.500 philosophy it's not derived from saint paul primarily it's not derived from the council of
03:45:09.300 nicaea the doctrine of trinity is taught in the law and the prophets in fact if you go back to my
03:45:14.820 daniel and kikachu debate in the first 10 minutes i hold up a whiteboard that shows all the passages from
03:45:20.660 the torah and then the prophets that we derive the doctrine the trinity from mainly from jewish
03:45:26.580 exegesis of the old testament this might sound surprising because people think that the doctrine
03:45:31.460 of trinity is something that's unique to christianity or that jews don't believe in this nowadays
03:45:36.740 so therefore jews could not have taught it back then in fact many jewish scholars today
03:45:41.300 i referenced many of those in that opening statement of the daniel debate i can refer to
03:45:44.740 them now this would be benjamin summer alan siegel uh schaefer etc boyar and all of those
03:45:51.220 scholars admit that the early church's view is not that distinct from the judaism of the time of
03:45:57.460 christ in recognizing more than one person in the trinity no i am not saying that the jews at that
03:46:04.500 time were all trinitarians
03:46:08.580 so i'm not saying that okay i'm not saying that jews necessarily accept trinitarianism i'm saying that
03:46:15.060 these scholars prove that in the time of christ there was not a generic unitarianism that characterized
03:46:21.300 what it is to be quote monotheist they didn't see a contradiction or a problem between the idea of
03:46:26.100 quote monotheism and the recognition of the father as the archaic cause and fount the angel of the lord
03:46:32.020 as his messenger which we see through all throughout the old testament who is called god who is called
03:46:35.620 divine who is called the messenger of the covenant who is called yahweh in exodus 3 exodus 23 throughout the
03:46:42.660 psalms and the many theophanies passages uh and many times in the prophets jesus predicted especially
03:46:47.620 in latter isaiah to be a divine messiah that would be worshipped so a lot of these uh references to
03:46:52.980 the trinity are primarily grounded rooted in the torah and the prophets islam however when it argues
03:47:00.020 against the trinity does so on the basis of it not being aware of or not being
03:47:12.660 and begotten menogenes theos so the eternal beginning all that is already at the beginning of
03:47:33.140 the gospel of john and again every chapter whether it's john 5 through 9 where jesus identifies himself
03:47:37.700 as the one at mount sinai talking to moses the one that gave the law jesus refers to himself as the
03:47:42.420 son of god many times over which means that his god is not allah because allah has no sons so jesus
03:47:47.860 many many times over throughout the gospel says he is the son of god and that he makes us by grace sons
03:47:52.180 of god this proves that there is not the same god of muhammad and the same god of jesus jesus is not
03:47:58.420 referring to allah as his father allah has no sons uh so when we come to the time of the early church
03:48:05.060 fathers they unanimously teach the deity of christ the uh triad as well the deity of the holy spirit
03:48:10.500 this becomes codified by the time of nicaea it's not invented at the time of nicaea you can read
03:48:14.900 the church fathers from irenaeus to ignatius to clement you can read cyril uh excuse me cyprian
03:48:21.060 you can read athanasius all these church fathers alexander writing prior to the kind of time
03:48:24.740 and i see that he's the deity of christ and what would become the doctrine or known as the doctrine of
03:48:28.660 the trinity so the trinity is not something foreign to the scriptures it's rooted in the torah
03:48:32.260 it's rooted in the prophets rooted in the new testament rooted in the teaching of christ himself
03:48:35.380 and uh i would add that when we compare it to what's in the quran the quran makes many mistakes
03:48:40.020 first of all about what the christians teach they say that we take our monks as lords we do not they
03:48:44.900 say they think that the quran thinks that we take mary as part of the trinity we do not uh the quran also
03:48:50.580 is itself confused in two areas that i always like to highlight which is that it claims that prior
03:48:55.780 revelation confirms it and backs it up and many times over like in uh surah five it says that you can
03:49:01.620 look to the previous revelation to confirm the new revelation but the old revelation contradicts
03:49:05.860 it and when muslims see the contradictions they do the same move of ijaz in the debate to say
03:49:10.580 uh well we reject all the times that it contradicts but we accept all the time that it is with
03:49:15.220 our revelation well that is a circle that's arguing for the thing that's in question we want to know
03:49:21.380 how does the prior revelation confirm the new revelation which the quran says it can do if the
03:49:27.460 prior revelations are corrupt and how foolish it would be to look to a corrupt book to supposedly
03:49:32.580 prove an incorrupt book so it makes no sense on the face of it uh i would also then argue that the
03:49:37.140 doctrine of tanzi that's uh derived from the passages that talk about all of being nothing
03:49:41.540 like creation 42 and i think around uh 110 somewhere in there it says that all is absolutely nothing like
03:49:47.460 creation and yet muslims many times over will utilize terminology language and so forth to
03:49:51.780 liken allah to a created thing to say that allah is merciful that he is just he has all these things
03:49:57.140 uh allah has the hand has the shin and so forth things that come up in uh the accepted uh hadith
03:50:03.700 well all of those things are contradictory to the notion of tawhid that god is a pure unity or pure
03:50:08.260 oneness this is why muslims for centuries have debated amongst themselves whether the attributes
03:50:12.100 are really distinct and you have people like jake salafis and others who say no yes uh allah has a
03:50:17.300 foot has a shin we don't know the modality but he really has these things they're real attributes
03:50:20.900 and yet we're said to be only a religion of perfect unity and perfect oneness yet he's many well the
03:50:27.460 same problem that you have with the attributes and the dependence relationship of the attributes on
03:50:32.180 allah's essence and amongst themselves is no different than the question that we have about
03:50:36.100 the persons of the trinity it's just simply that you say that we have a problem that you don't have
03:50:39.860 to answer when you have the exact same problem in relationship to the attributes and allah's essence
03:50:45.460 and their dependence relationship and if you don't think there's a dependence relationship
03:50:49.220 then i'll just simply say do you believe that they are then uh say or self-existent if they're
03:50:52.900 self-existent then you have uh what 99 gods so you have the same problem but a double standard as to
03:50:59.700 how you answer that i'm not saying note that you believe that the attributes of persons i know you
03:51:04.740 don't believe that but the same problem of the one and the many and the dependence status between the
03:51:10.260 attributes and the essence is the problem that you cannot answer because within islam there are
03:51:14.740 countless multiple contradictions how much time do i have you're good yeah i don't think he gave you
03:51:19.380 a specific time yeah you're good i thought he said five minute opening or whatever uh that was good
03:51:24.660 that was concise i think that's fine uh you want to respond muscle lantern yeah uh okay uh during my
03:51:33.540 response i want to ask you questions if that's fine right i just want to ask first question is what is
03:51:38.180 the trinity in your belief what is the trinity just because we're talking about the trinity so i think
03:51:42.020 defining terms is important because you said you found it present in the old system so where is the
03:51:45.780 trinity it's a doctrine that god is first and foremost identified with the person of the father
03:51:52.500 the father is what we call the arcade the fount the source the cause the supreme beginning of uh the
03:51:58.980 other two persons and that's revealed to be the person of his eternally begotten son who identify as
03:52:05.140 the lord jesus christ and with his eternal holy spirit so they are three in one they share a common
03:52:11.780 essence or nature in that they come from the father and they derive the same nature from the
03:52:16.980 father as jesus says in john 5 and 6 but they're also really and truly distinct which is why we see
03:52:22.180 jesus for example praying to the father asking things of the father and so forth so the bible we
03:52:27.060 believe teaches both of those things that he is one and three and it's not a problem for monotheism
03:52:31.860 because actually the word monotheism is a really late term that you don't see until the 1600s
03:52:37.380 so i i'm sorry i didn't get a definition but i'll give a definition and then you can confirm with me
03:52:42.820 you said a few things i understand them but i wanted like a concise definition right you tell me whether
03:52:47.380 this is like representative of the trinity or not you have uh god the father god the son god the holy
03:52:53.060 spirit okay uh father is not the son son is not the holy spirit three persons in one being
03:52:59.060 uh so there's one being but there's three persons that are within that one being and um the they are
03:53:07.620 co-equal co-eternal so they share they are equal in in everything and they're eternal the same way
03:53:14.260 is that a good representation of what the trinity is well uh some of that terminology is a little
03:53:19.060 ambiguous which is why i gave you a specific monarchical trinitarian definition so the model that i gave you
03:53:24.660 was a definition it's called monarchical trinitarianism and it's distinct from a lot of western
03:53:29.220 trinitarian theology that you might find in roman catholicism so i was being very precise in the
03:53:34.340 response that i gave no no but do you agree you've not told me do you agree the if you say something
03:53:39.700 is ambiguous you can tell me that this specific part is i don't agree with it but ambiguous then
03:53:43.860 you can clarify it what i've said is that the definition of the trinity or not i just want a
03:53:47.780 concise definition is it that there are three persons in one being that quote equal quote eternal and
03:53:52.900 they're not the same like the father is not the son son is in the spirit but they're one god
03:53:56.580 very simple do you agree with that okay so because this is how i see people anyone who've seen define
03:54:02.020 the trinity define it that way so i just wanted a agreement with that okay so that's the trinity
03:54:06.580 now you quoted john one and you tried to say that the scripture shows the trinity etc quoting john one
03:54:11.700 is not a evidence for the trinity a trinity says three persons in one b person is separate from the
03:54:16.500 being john one doesn't say that it says in the beginning was the word the word was with god
03:54:20.340 and the word was with god was god the word became flush among among us if this is what you're
03:54:24.740 referring to that's not three persons in one being there uh it does not talk about the fact that they're
03:54:29.220 distinct persons in one entity i didn't say that john by the way it's my it's my it's my it's my time
03:54:35.460 right no you you said you wanted conversation you didn't say no no i said i'll ask you a question within
03:54:40.820 my time because you made many points i have to respond to them well but i didn't say that the trinity is
03:54:47.060 three persons in john one okay i said that you i you said many things but as well so you'd have to
03:54:52.180 okay but what you're saying is a straw man that wasn't what i know we'll we'll have a back and
03:54:55.460 forth after i'm done but i did allow to speak for like five minutes and make so many points i
03:54:58.820 i got it oh wait so the back and forth is only when you ask a question i'm confused you don't want
03:55:03.860 a five minute i thought you wanted to find an open yeah i have an opening statement i'm saying within
03:55:08.420 my opening statement i'll ask you questions for clarification that's it so you respond to the question
03:55:12.420 and the question was what is the trinity because it's the debate of the topic that's it so i needed the
03:55:15.780 clarification on that other than that i wanted to finish as well we're responding to all the points
03:55:23.780 that you made right and then we can get into back and forth no problem i don't mind
03:55:39.140 but i gotta respond because you made so many points right before you before you continue is
03:55:43.060 uh does that sound okay for both sides okay i would say that um you know with your with your
03:55:50.420 question there uh while you were speaking and kind of gave the impression that you were looking for
03:55:54.420 back and forth because if he's going to clarify you know a question he has to fully clarify so you
03:56:01.140 understand so he wasn't really done with the clarification is what i thought no no no we passed
03:56:05.540 from the point of the trinity he nodded his head his head this is the trinity and then i went to
03:56:09.540 it something else and then he said i didn't say x y and okay so i'm supposed to know when yeah okay
03:56:14.740 no no just the question i'll ask for example is the trinity give a response and that's it like
03:56:18.820 that's all i wanted i didn't want like everything i'll mention that then you will come or then it's
03:56:22.820 not going to be an opening statement right so uh you said that church fathers were unified on the idea
03:56:27.700 of the trinity that's that is false i have not many examples yeah just another strongman okay but
03:56:35.940 i'm not going to be able to talk if you everything i say that you're going to okay so i can't reply
03:56:40.900 can when we get can when we can you write down what you believe i'm strongmaning
03:56:44.260 un and then we can have an open discussion about that once i'm done with opening state
03:56:49.700 okay sure uh okay uh clarify what you remember what you said about the church fathers what did you say
03:56:55.780 about the church fathers right so it's a fallacy of ambiguity to say that i mean that they don't have
03:57:02.820 debate i said that they're unified on teaching the three persons and that there is the deity of
03:57:07.380 christ they do teach those things they also have debates on these topics too you they have a unified
03:57:12.500 agreement on what the trinity is or they don't no that's not what i said okay good so we have that
03:57:18.020 established that the church fathers did not agree no not agree you're twisting what they did it okay
03:57:25.460 is there a unified teaching of unity in allah no so there's debate over it you know that so you're
03:57:29.700 trying to pin me into saying something i'm not saying that's not my question to you you're not
03:57:33.460 answering my question you're all trying to get you no no it's either good do you know what that is
03:57:39.300 okay it's a simple question policy of simplicity did the church fathers that's what the fallacy is
03:57:44.260 making a simple question for a complex that's that's the problem always with questions like we
03:57:49.140 allow you to speak you cannot that we know fallacies that's the problem i'm asking i'm asking a simple
03:57:53.540 question uh did the church whatever that's the fallacy my question is not a fallacy i asked did
03:58:00.740 the church fathers it's either yes or no let me finish the question and stop interrupting uh i asked
03:58:06.980 a simple question do that you can say yes or no you can say that's a fallacy whatever people can
03:58:11.780 can make a judgment i asked a simple question did the church fathers have an agreement what these trips
03:58:17.380 might work on your audience they don't work over here okay so you just this is how christians are always we
03:58:22.100 try to have discussions if you don't even allow you to finish even five minutes create a complex
03:58:26.900 question fallacy and make it an either or that's why you keep saying it's a simple question it's a
03:58:31.780 difficult question look you're interrupting a lot is it a simple question about allah and his
03:58:36.100 attributes is that a simple question yes yes and i'm going to it's simple is it so there's not
03:58:40.100 debates amongst the akidahs on that it is a simple question and i'm going to respond to it but will you
03:58:44.900 allow me it's not a simple question you know okay again this try what's the relationship it's not
03:58:50.340 going to work okay you're interrupting and this is not how discussions work you're either going to
03:58:54.820 allow me to speak and make my opening statements there is no moderation going on right now right
03:58:59.540 so you guys there's a false either or a fallacy is that a fallacy is the false either or a fallacy
03:59:06.020 if the moderators are not going to join i'm not going to but you won't answer right there's no no i can
03:59:10.500 speak of my opening statement without you asking me questions it's my opening statement not yours
03:59:14.100 what do you think asking questions playing games dude come on okay to make this fair how about this
03:59:21.300 uh can you ask the question and because uh jay is saying that it's a complicated uh question you can
03:59:26.660 you respond to it uh in under a minute you can ask the question again it's complicated you can have a
03:59:30.740 minute to respond to the question no look look he's not i'm not going to ask him any questions because
03:59:35.380 what he's trying to do is just waste time uh he i was making a point then he said you misrepresented me
03:59:40.340 so okay go ahead represent yourself he doesn't want to represent himself i'm saying i gave you a
03:59:47.140 super precise well i don't want to represent myself when i gave you a super precise definition of the
03:59:51.140 trinity you didn't the question i asked i didn't get i gave you a five minute super precise monarch
03:59:56.020 okay here is my argument anyways okay so you can stop talking about questions i'm gonna i'm gonna say
04:00:01.300 my opening statement like you did like i allowed to speak with the interruptions don't you don't get
04:00:05.060 another five minutes it's your fault that you have what do you mean another five what do you mean
04:00:08.420 another five there's a stupid thing to ask questions in your opening statement that was
04:00:11.540 done with you okay i'm gonna continue with my opening statement responding to what what 10 minutes 20
04:00:18.500 minutes 30 minutes how many at the same time that you have i'm going to be continuing to do that you've
04:00:23.620 already gone for what four or five minutes it's not my fault you asked a question you've been talking
04:00:27.860 not me it's it's a waste of time i'm not going to waste my time allowing you to speak so now
04:00:31.700 you ask the question i'm going to continue i'm going to continue with my proposition and you can you're
04:00:36.020 not going to keep jumping by saying you're misrepresenting me this is strong man you're
04:00:38.580 going to listen like i listen to you like i listen to you and then you we can have a discussion and
04:00:43.940 we can have one-to-one back and forth and you can say okay we'll give you uh two minutes um for to
04:00:48.500 finish your statement no at least three minutes two minutes is not fair three he made he made multiple
04:00:53.460 points okay okay uh okay without interruption i'm gonna continue now with whatever opening statement
04:00:59.380 okay church fathers were in complete disagreement on uh their beliefs and what constitutes the trinity there's
04:01:04.500 many quotes that i have over here that can demonstrate that so to try and come and say
04:01:09.140 there's kind of a unified agreement or whatever it is that's completely not true and they have complete
04:01:13.860 different beliefs uh from one another i'm going to read just some of these uh positions so ignatius
04:01:19.460 for example had a position on subordinates and you can lead uh in his letter to magnesians chapter 13
04:01:26.900 be subject to the bishop uh and to one another as jesus christ to the father so he believes that jesus
04:01:33.060 christ was subject to the father uh you have scholars who say these positions so it's not it's
04:01:37.460 not me taking a quotation out the context like some people will try to come and pretend for example uh
04:01:42.660 virginia crown says in saint ignatius and christianity in antioch in page 143 none of these passages after
04:01:48.820 she's mentioning some passages of the beliefs that uh ignatius had adds to the understanding of the
04:01:54.500 trinity meant to ignatius we are forced to conclude there was a very uh undefined belief indeed so he didn't
04:02:01.060 have a defined belief uh william schudel says in ignatius commentary page 20 ignatius uh casually
04:02:07.460 uses triturian formula he makes he does not he makes little of them theologically so he does not
04:02:12.100 make theological arguments in regards to the trinity uh so this is not a specific person believe i can do
04:02:17.620 the same thing with irenaeus now with the tritulia i don't have much time but i can do that he is
04:02:21.700 welcome to ask and i can give the quotations of every single one of them some of them would believe that
04:02:27.060 the son was created by the father some of them would believe the father is superior to the son
04:02:31.860 they're not they're not uh co-equal as the doctor of the trinity says now he says oh the quran says
04:02:37.380 that it confirms the previous scriptures yeah we we know what it means but confirms the previous
04:02:41.060 scriptures you can open the quran chapter 5 47 48 where it says that it's a criterion over it which
04:02:46.420 means whatever disagrees it's not a jazz position as he's trying to make it that's a muslim position and
04:02:50.820 it's mentioned by scholars that the the scripture is changed and if it is changed they don't ever would
04:02:55.380 disagree with that then we completely disagree with it now what does confirm mean it means it
04:02:59.540 confirms that there was previous revelations that was revealed to the previous prophets
04:03:03.060 and it confirms the existence of previous prophets that's what confirms means doesn't mean that we say
04:03:07.140 that everything in there is completely uh okay you said proven uh a corrupted scripture and not
04:03:12.980 corrupted scripture was a corrupted scripture we don't try to prove islam using the bible we never
04:03:17.540 tried to do that you said in ziha doctrine and you made so many fallacies uh trying to equate an
04:03:23.140 attribute to a part which is something that we don't believe in as muslim where is the fallacy so
04:03:27.620 yes three minutes on order of today you got one more minute yeah so uh we don't believe attributes
04:03:33.300 are parts we don't use that terminology when it comes to the attributes of allah to say that just
04:03:37.300 because god has attributes that therefore god has many parts is ridiculous to say that we say that
04:03:42.180 allah is not like anyone and we have an attribute he has an attribute therefore he's like us no we believe
04:03:46.500 for instance our knowledge is limited is is dependent on allah we don't know the the future and we forget the
04:03:52.740 knowledge of allah is ultimate he knows the past present and future he knows a hypothetical situation
04:03:57.060 so it's not the same so when we say it's not like it then it is not like it because god's knowledge
04:04:00.900 is perfect and knowledge is limited and that is the same with all the attributes of god the way
04:04:04.900 allah possesses them is perfect the way you possess them is not an attribute is something that does not
04:04:09.620 exist in abstract exists within something and that's something that remains one nobody says that having
04:04:13.780 attributes makes me more than one i have love compassion hate fear all of that no one says therefore
04:04:18.340 i'm 100 or 200 because i have different 10 seconds that's just ridiculous yeah so just to put it
04:04:23.620 simply like to say black cannot exist within itself has to exist in a shirt or an object attributes do
04:04:28.180 not exist in vacuum okay uh jay we'll give you three minutes to respond yeah let's do time
04:04:38.980 because he admitted that the analogy that he gave to parts of a shirt like attributes like color the color
04:04:44.340 black those are black those are parts and by the way i didn't argue that you thought allah had parts
04:04:48.820 i know that you don't think he does my argument is that you contradict when you say that he has
04:04:53.220 attributes that are dependent do you believe that the attributes are self-existent or they do they depend
04:05:00.180 upon allah's essence and amongst themselves in a dependence relationship
04:05:06.420 okay um sure okay well then then the three minutes is uh is forfeited so you respond to the question
04:05:12.740 no it's not forfeited he asked me a question in his opening state and i can ask him a question
04:05:16.980 and then we decided to go three minutes back and forth so i mean if we're going to do questions then
04:05:22.340 the we can't do the three minutes uninterrupted again so okay i'll let you respond to this muscle
04:05:27.140 answer question uh 30 seconds to respond oh yeah he mentioned something about uh uh the color being
04:05:34.020 apart i did i mentioned many attributes like love and hate and this and that's that's that is a straw man
04:05:38.500 uh are they dependent is it a defense relationship to respond to the the dependence or not dependence
04:05:44.020 we don't use the terminology a lot doesn't use it so therefore i don't use it i believe it's an
04:05:47.700 attribute and an attribute exists within the the creator we don't use the term dependent or independent
04:05:53.780 to them are they distinct what do you mean by that by the way you you do you do use that terminology
04:06:01.380 in debates because jake used that terminology i'm not jake i'm not jake i know but you but you're saying
04:06:06.580 you you guys don't use that terminology he did i'm talking about that from an islamic position you're
04:06:10.900 not allowed to talk about allah so are they dependent or not okay so in other words you have a double
04:06:15.380 stick you have a double my defense what do you know that he has the double standard to where in his
04:06:19.140 position i don't have to answer these questions i don't know the relationship i didn't say that i
04:06:23.940 asked you that is what you said you said we don't have to answer that i asked that's what you said
04:06:27.700 dependent i asked you what you mean by dependent are they are they are they you have to clarify what do you
04:06:33.620 mean are they are set okay you're not going to respond to you i'm sorry you don't know the
04:06:39.620 terms are they self-existent what do you mean by self-existent do they exist of themselves you don't
04:06:44.660 know that work they exist within the create as i said to you they exist they exist with allah and
04:06:51.780 there is nothing that exists separate from its attributes you're making uh uh false argument here
04:06:57.300 by trying to separate the atmosphere within your akidah your akidah's debate this and you know i don't know
04:07:02.020 what your akidah is but i don't you don't know what his school is playing like he doesn't this is what
04:07:08.420 they do they pretend that they don't know these are classic debates that they killed each other over
04:07:12.180 the relationship of like the mutazila then the mutakala imam the salafi you all do this does all
04:07:17.460 i have an uncreated foot okay so you talked about the my cousin who were the mother said what did they
04:07:22.180 believe give me the four principles of my five principles of them
04:07:26.020 that's what you said so present me what did they believe you don't even know what they believe
04:07:50.580 you're not no i don't have to define your schools for you so you don't know what they need so you
04:07:54.660 don't have it it doesn't matter the four principles when you can't they didn't believe what you believe
04:07:58.740 you can't notice he won't answer the question of allah because he doesn't know what the word
04:08:03.700 self-existent and honestly means you're incorrect about islamic what's your position i don't care about
04:08:08.740 that what's your position what's your position my position is what the quran sonna teaches uh which is
04:08:15.140 what so you're what question you gotta give me a question and then i gotta respond to it so what
04:08:19.460 is the relationship of allah to his attributes are they are they outside or not i responded to you
04:08:26.500 you're deflecting and you're everyone knows the attribute is not separated everyone knows this no
04:08:30.820 they know you're saying that you're you're saying your schools don't debate this i this is the problem
04:08:36.260 you don't even know what my schools believe you don't even know it doesn't matter what it doesn't
04:08:40.180 matter maybe i don't know anything maybe i don't know anything that's a fallacy that doesn't prove your
04:08:44.900 position sure you don't know anything your fallacy machine all right thank you but you can't answer
04:08:49.780 this basic question can you you don't know the relationship of allah to his attributes for the
04:08:54.340 fourth time i responded to you what do you mean by that you didn't answer that you deflected i told
04:09:00.260 you the attributes of allah are not something that we say is a part or separated from allah we don't
04:09:05.860 believe that we believe every request just like are they are they just like you cannot separate my love and
04:09:10.980 hate from me uh those are parts of allah sorry but you said nothing like that's ridiculous i thought
04:09:17.540 he's nothing like creature a part is something again you see you said the support so it shows
04:09:21.460 that you are saying attributes you said the parts you can't understand that i'm putting now you're
04:09:26.180 consulting like a kid like a child you're just exposing your ignorance attributes are not parts
04:09:30.980 human beings have attributes your position hate hate you cannot separate hate on you you contradicted
04:09:36.020 yourself and when you compared it to parts of your shirt the problem you're doing that is because
04:09:41.460 you know that you're sure you know the trinity is that now i go back to the dollar
04:09:47.540 who have independent you're you have 99 existences independent wells they're separate from one another
04:09:54.260 so now you're trying to compare that how you know what he knows what the word means he pretended like
04:10:00.900 he didn't know earlier because now we're trying to compare that to attributes because you have a
04:10:04.020 problem with atheism we don't believe in jesus worshiping when you have jesus worshiping they're
04:10:08.020 not independent that's not our following down and prostrating to him that's not an attribute of an
04:10:12.020 individual you don't even you don't even know what i already have commanding the holy spirit
04:10:17.300 you have the son commanding the holy spirit that's all he does that's monarchical trinitarianism that's
04:10:22.420 the position i gave you that he gets and acting like a child and i think you gotta relax
04:10:26.420 okay you're saying this because you literally didn't answer any of the questions i asked you
04:10:30.500 about the attributes you said it's like shirts shirts have parts dude i didn't say your analogy
04:10:35.380 black yeah i think you're deaf because that's part of it you don't think shirt you don't so
04:10:38.900 blackness is not part of your shirt show me the existence of black what is that what does it
04:10:44.180 have to do it's a part say it's accidental it's not a part it's not and i i give an example of love
04:10:50.900 and hate you're holding a shirt which is made up okay okay what is love and hate how can you
04:10:54.820 separate them how can you separate them from you use the analogy to a creature when all has nothing
04:10:59.220 like creatures now i've given an energy someone like you so they can understand we can have attributes
04:11:03.780 and allah can have attributes that's not what we mean no muslim scholar in islamic history said
04:11:10.500 that there's nothing like also it means he doesn't have attributes that is the they they are the most
04:11:14.500 ridiculous argument i have nothing like creatures all muslim scholars have said that the attributes of
04:11:19.700 allah are maximally perfect we can have attributes but a limited attribute the creator can have
04:11:23.220 max imperfect i know you believe that but i don't even understand the contradiction i'm pointing out
04:11:29.220 how is there a comparison of allah to creatures when he's nothing like creatures you compare them to
04:11:33.780 your shirt and the parts of your shirt what do you mean what do you mean by nothing like what do you
04:11:38.100 mean by that like honestly such a childish thing what do you mean by there's nothing like allah what we
04:11:44.180 mean by there's nothing like when it says the attributes of allah it says allah is nothing like
04:11:49.380 creatures okay and i responded to you allah is not i know but you know you gave an analogy of a
04:11:54.740 created shirt and its parts no i didn't do that you're yes you said you're deaf i said the color black
04:12:00.740 look he says no i didn't know i said the black on my shirt is an attribute i said colors don't exist in
04:12:07.780 abstract but whatever that has to exist has to exist as something it's a creature so is your shirt
04:12:12.900 a created analogy is it a created analogy the shirt is is it a created analogy the color black is an
04:12:19.220 attribute oh is it an analogy i exist actually created things analogous to allah going in a circle now so
04:12:26.180 there's no point no you're just not answering you're avoiding it so you're using created things with
04:12:30.580 parts that are combined me answering as an analogy to allah who's nothing like creatures
04:12:35.540 all right let's do timing because as you can see it's just uh because he's running
04:12:41.060 do the timing because i can't do it okay let's try to reduce the ad homes but that's fair we'll go
04:12:46.580 we'll resume from jay's question and then we'll do 30 seconds back and forth each time i'm going to be
04:12:50.260 specific with the timer so jay can you repeat your question and then 30 seconds the question was
04:12:54.420 very explicitly you made an analogy to allah and his attributes to a shirt with parts and accidental
04:13:03.540 things like colors when the quran says twice that allah is nothing like creatures so your analogy
04:13:10.100 doesn't work and it doesn't tell us anything how do you resolve that 30 seconds okay i never
04:13:15.380 made that he doesn't understand what he's talking about i made an analogy for him about the idea of
04:13:19.860 an attribute the attributes now the analogy is to do the attribute is not to do with allah is
04:13:23.620 conflating the two the idea is that attributes do not exist uninterrupted jay come on yeah he can't do it
04:13:29.700 right attributes do not exist in abstract they have to exist to them something they're not separable
04:13:33.860 they're not parts and that's how we look at the attributes of allah is not like anything because
04:13:37.780 his attributes are maximally perfect they're not like ours simple it's very very simple and people
04:13:41.540 listening can but he doesn't even understand the critique okay do you do you want to continue with
04:13:47.940 the question thing so i i should give a question now and once again okay but okay okay so now let's let
04:13:54.100 let lancer respond with the question but we have to do uninterrupted or else this is a
04:13:57.140 this is a waste of time so i'll let lancer pose a question here you could also respond
04:14:01.140 uh to what you wanted in the last one but this 30 seconds back and forth lancer uh go ahead
04:14:05.940 all right so we he agreed that the trinity means that the three persons are quote equal quote term
04:14:10.820 we look at jesus in mark 13 32 who explicitly mentions and says that he does not know the hour
04:14:16.580 while the father knows the hour and i can bring a quote from a church father right now who is explaining
04:14:20.580 that this to superiority of the father over the son did not equal because one of them knows when the
04:14:25.860 hour is going to happen the other doesn't know jesus is going to say that's his human nature it's
04:14:29.220 irrelevant because he had both natures divine and human nature so you cannot come and say that's the
04:14:33.460 human nature so how does jesus not know something and you claim that he's equal with the father and
04:14:37.780 the holy spirit doesn't know as well because the first verse says only the father knows mark 13 32.
04:14:42.500 okay do you have a question to follow up i know is he supposed to answer right question answer did you
04:14:49.380 what was the question the question is how does he say yeah so i agree he understands i agree
04:14:57.220 yeah and uh no i don't answer it the way he thought i was going to answer i answered according to the way
04:15:00.980 saint basil does in letter 235 and 6 where he says that the limitation there is a form of rhetoric or
04:15:07.140 exaggeration which jesus does in many places where he says for example that there's none good but the
04:15:11.460 father does that mean that no one else is good no it's rhetoric because in other places he also qualifies
04:15:17.220 that and says that the son also is good he says that people are good the holy spirit is good a good
04:15:22.180 man will do this or that so no when he says things like that we have a consistent uh exegetical pattern
04:15:27.780 as to how we explain those passages and we don't believe the bible contradicts so there are passages
04:15:33.060 that talk about the subordination which if he understood what monarchical trinitarianism is we
04:15:38.020 recognize the subordination of the son to the father but not according to essence so he doesn't
04:15:42.820 understand that that's different that's a different theology than he has he thinks that
04:15:46.900 distinction entails uh like differences in terms of ontology we believe that just as a son can share
04:15:52.740 the same nature as his father he can be subject to the father that doesn't doesn't mean the father
04:15:57.140 has more human nature than a son that's an analogy your position by the way doesn't make sense in terms
04:16:01.700 of analogies because you said you made an analogy to help me but your very analogy doesn't work because
04:16:07.940 Allah's attributes and his existence are nothing like the thing and things in the created order so your
04:16:13.140 analogy doesn't work that was the critique that was a little over a minute that was a bit over a minute
04:16:17.620 i'll answer if you could respond in a minute yeah okay uh i respond very very simply that's how christians
04:16:23.540 try to run away from the scripture i just said i can present uh quotations i can present commentary
04:16:28.980 people explicitly saying that this is an issue uh that that one knows something while the other doesn't
04:16:34.020 know something but they'll throw this is just rhetoric rhetoric like jesus says there's no one good by the
04:16:37.620 father he means ultimately good yes there is no one perfect in his goodness except the father
04:16:41.540 we agree there's no issues there so that verse that jesus says it doesn't have an issue we also
04:16:45.460 agree when he says he doesn't know that he does it and you cannot be god and you don't know something
04:16:49.700 because god knows everything or the time so you cannot run away from the subject in something and
04:16:53.620 you said by the way uh the son is subject to the father you believe the son is subject exactly so he's
04:16:57.220 subject to the father they're not equal in the sense that they are equal in every position everywhere in
04:17:02.260 every shape and that's why we say that what you call the father is a true god but jesus is someone who's
04:17:06.420 subjected to him that is not simply okay uh j if you respond in a minute yeah but you're missing the
04:17:13.780 point that at the beginning i said that i wouldn't immediately commit to your understanding of the
04:17:17.380 words co-equal because in some ways they are equal in terms of power and in terms of nature but that
04:17:22.420 doesn't mean they're equal in every sense so that's why i was hesitant to agree to your tricks of
04:17:27.300 terminology there with making it simple and making it easy that's why i use monarchical trinitarianism which
04:17:33.220 again to use the analogy of a father or a king and his son the king and the son the prince possess
04:17:39.460 the same natures the king is not more human than the son and yet the son still is subject to the
04:17:45.220 father this is orthodox trinitarianism i'm not a roman catholic so this is our position which i stated
04:17:50.260 from the very outset in the first five minutes but you just didn't know about that but when you gave
04:17:54.340 your analogy again of the attributes you didn't answer the question you avoided it you ignored it and you
04:17:58.980 wanted to switch over into the question of jesus's knowledge which is fine i don't have a problem
04:18:02.820 mentioning the fact that jesus uses rhetoric and exaggerated language all the time he says
04:18:07.300 if your hand caused you to sin cut it off he's not saying literally cut your hand off he's also not
04:18:12.340 saying that no one is good but the father in rhetoric so in the same way he can express that the the father
04:18:18.260 is the sole source of all existence goodness knowledge etc and yet at the same time the other passages
04:18:24.980 also confirm in john five and six that jesus has all the same powers knowledge and uh activities
04:18:31.540 as the father everything the father has has been committed to the son so you selectively choose
04:18:35.860 the passages and i want to go back to my question then how do you know which passages are the correct
04:18:41.780 passages in the bible and which ones are the corrupted ones when all those word cannot be corrupted and i'm
04:18:48.340 told in uh let's cut it at that that was that was well over a minute uh lancer if you could respond
04:18:53.220 to that question i'll give you 90 seconds so all right i'm very happy that look he shows he changes
04:18:58.260 his position he agreed when i said is that the trinity he shake his head and he said yes now he knows
04:19:02.900 that this is going to be problematic so he admits that they're not equal and i'm happy that's it
04:19:06.260 that's what we're all trying to show us let's not let him respond uninterrupted don't interrupt shut up
04:19:12.420 like you said to me i'll say the same thing to you they're not they're not equal with your own
04:19:17.060 statement you said that they are not equal yes they are not equal exactly that's what we believe
04:19:20.500 as muslims the father who you call the father is superior to what you call the son you give an
04:19:24.020 analogy of king and son exactly the king commands the son is superior to the son is not equal to him
04:19:28.980 so i love that you get it sure now i'm gonna go up to jay jay jay jay you're interrupting again
04:19:36.980 thank you uh please don't interrupt when it comes to rhetoric and not rhetoric they run away from
04:19:42.180 anything which is clear for example i'll bring him now john 17 3 where jesus says explicit it is no
04:19:47.060 true god the only true god is the father he says the only true god addressing the father is the
04:19:50.580 only true god and he doesn't get which means that any other deity is false we have all over the bible
04:19:55.940 jesus making statements that can't be appear divine i can say it's reticor as well anyone can say it
04:19:59.940 trick okay whatever verse you're going to bring up is also rhetoric and we play this game whichever verse
04:20:04.100 you don't like we just call it a rhetoric so the game with playing with these things that don't agree
04:20:08.900 with you is you try to escape the position and the fact that jesus was subordinate submissive so you have
04:20:12.900 people arguing it in the council of nicaea and other councils because they believed that he was
04:20:16.180 subordinate they didn't believe he was equal you have tons of harris's to do that because the trinity
04:20:20.900 makes no logical sense now you lied by the way and you said there's a verse in john that says that they
04:20:25.540 have the same power they have the same knowledge they have the same wisdom or whatever it is 10 seconds
04:20:28.820 go ahead and read that verse for us exactly what it says now you said in the quran i'm responding to
04:20:33.540 what you said the quran which verse which verses are uh corrupted which verses are not whoever agrees with
04:20:38.180 the quran we believe that is therefore accepted and true whatever disagrees we reject whatever
04:20:43.220 doesn't agree or disagree we are agnostic about it that is the islamic position given by the prophet
04:20:47.380 okay now jay i'll give you i'll cut you off there uh jay i'll give you 90 seconds to respond
04:20:52.500 yeah this guy's fine games because he knows that nobody interprets any text as if every single phrase or
04:20:58.500 idea that is expressed is in that single text the trinity is a doctrine that's derived from all the texts
04:21:04.420 of the scriptures not from this or that verse and so he's setting up a false criteria for me to use
04:21:09.940 the exact terminology in any single verse jesus says in john 16 15 that everything that the father has
04:21:16.820 has been given to the son that means all of his existence all of his powers all of his attributes
04:21:21.940 the son also shares i answered his question when he asked whether you said there are co-equal
04:21:27.460 yeah co-equal in nature hence the example of the father and the son being distinct persons
04:21:33.060 same in nature equal in nature equal in nature means that equal in the power that proceeds from
04:21:38.500 that nature so yes throughout the gospel of john every chapter every book uh excuse me every chapter
04:21:44.900 in the book of john includes a reference to the deed of christ and or a reference to the triad
04:21:50.180 no goofus that doesn't mean the word trinity is in the book it means the concept the teaching of
04:21:55.060 the trinity is in the book just like it's throughout the old testament not the words it doesn't have to
04:21:58.980 have the words that's your criteria that you are made up for me now i asked you a specific question
04:22:04.420 about you going to the text and the prior revelation and what your your your uh criteria was you ignored
04:22:11.380 it you didn't answer it i want to know what is your criteria for knowing when in the old testament
04:22:16.980 it's true and when it's false is it not the quran the very thing in question 90 seconds for lantern
04:22:21.780 all right so clearly he said it is not from a part of the thing this is derived from everything it is
04:22:28.180 not he's essentially saying it's not clear which is what we love to hear is that the doctrine of the
04:22:32.820 trinity is not clear in the bible that's what that's why i said i can present many quotes from
04:22:37.220 church fathers in which they disagree with one another what they believed the son was and the
04:22:40.900 father was you had all of these councils you had all of these disagreements heretical people who were
04:22:45.220 killed because the the idea of the trinity is not there i never asked him for the word he like
04:22:49.780 tried to throw man as if i asked him where is the word trinity i never said that i said the concept
04:22:52.980 that's why i started by defining he didn't answer john 17 3 because he knows it's a thorn
04:22:57.620 uh in in his side when i said jesus said the only true god is the father he did not respond to that
04:23:02.980 or he completely ignored it i responded to his question about the verses which verses i said to
04:23:06.740 whoever agrees with islam generally the quran and hadith we will accept that this statement is true
04:23:11.380 so when it says in john and in the tromi 6 4 that there's one god we accept that it's true no problem
04:23:16.100 anything which would disagree we will reject like if something says jesus died
04:23:19.380 we could say that is false it's corrupted that is change now already already biblical scholars agree
04:23:23.700 that the the bible has been corrupted i don't need to do any a lot of research regarding that
04:23:28.180 now when you said god's words doesn't change change that verse you quoted is talking about allah's
04:23:33.380 promise and you're quoting it out of uh out of context like i say i don't change my word i keep my
04:23:39.300 word we're talking about promises we're not talking about the revelation of the previous scriptures
04:23:43.060 because the quran already explains the revelation of the previous scriptures is it has been changed now you
04:23:47.780 said whatever the father has been given is being given to me that's clearly not the case because
04:23:51.300 jesus did not know and he said he didn't know and he said only the father knew and what he means by
04:23:54.820 that is not talking about attributes okay perfect uh jade 90 seconds yeah notice he did not answer the
04:24:01.220 exact challenge i gave him i asked him what the epistemic criteria was and he said that uh the quran
04:24:07.060 backs up the promises of prior revelation when it's with the so in other words the quran proves the quran by
04:24:11.940 citing the quran passages in the old testament and yet we read in the quran that it actually says
04:24:18.260 that you can go to the prior revelation to see that the new revelation is consistent with it we have
04:24:23.780 revealed to you o prophet the book of truth confirmation in the previous scriptures and a
04:24:29.140 supreme authority upon them so you judge between them what allah has revealed and now he's admitting
04:24:36.180 what was his source many scholars say the bible's corrupted oh really so many scholars who are
04:24:42.740 atheist unbelieving is what you go to not to your prophet muhammad who said that you can go to the
04:24:47.860 prior jewish torah scriptures and christian scriptures those scriptures confirm supposedly
04:24:53.620 what's in the quran you just said no they're all corrupt so allah and muhammad are directing me to go
04:24:59.940 to a corrupt book to prove your book you don't see how silly that is and then when i asked you for a
04:25:04.340 standard you said the standard is the quran but the thing in question is the quran so you're in a
04:25:09.300 circle a circle and it's a fallacy to appeal to authorities to say we all know that that's a
04:25:16.100 fallacy i know you guys don't know what fallacies are they're haram in uh islam 10 seconds right
04:25:22.420 logic is haram so uh what's the standard again okay 90 seconds for muslim lantern and he said i didn't
04:25:30.980 give him a criteria i clearly did i said what agrees with the quran and hadith it it is we accept it
04:25:34.900 whoever disagrees or reject it he said quran proves nobody here is talking about proving the quran
04:25:39.620 nobody's also talking about uh the quran proving the bible you're just misunderstanding things here
04:25:45.300 and you're just complaining terms and you're just going around in circle nobody's talking about anything
04:25:49.060 proving anything i already explained to you what the word confirmed there means you clearly don't
04:25:52.500 understand what you're saying there's nothing there that says that it's proving it the first you that is
04:25:56.820 you mentioned it's refuting i was laughing how could you read this verse i think it's supporting you
04:26:00.660 verse 5 the chapter 5 of the quran verse 48 which you were reading is refuting you it is literally
04:26:05.140 saying so judge between them with the quran with what allah has revealed to you and do not listen to
04:26:09.060 their desires and the next verse is the same thing and you read yourself for this is a supreme authority
04:26:13.460 over it which means that whatever the quran dictates is a supreme authority over the bible that's
04:26:18.260 exactly what i've been saying all this time and i'm laughing how could you read that verse i think that is
04:26:22.420 supporting you now this is just this is completely ridiculous so now uh the quran says it's also
04:26:29.380 corrupted it's mentioned in multiple parts for example the quran says in chapter 2 verse 75 and
04:26:34.260 mentioned in chapter 2 verse 79 how they write the scripture of their own hand and they claim it is
04:26:38.100 from god you said logic is haram nobody said anything about logic is haram again coming back to 17
04:26:42.740 uh uh chapter john 17 verse uh uh three what it explicitly says the only true again you're avoiding the
04:26:49.620 question you're running away from the question also we have in john chapter 21 where jesus says he has
04:26:53.860 a god he says i'm going back to my god and your god so how can you be god and you have a god he didn't
04:26:57.940 say i have a person i have a father he said father on god so he has a god above him and he believes the
04:27:02.340 only true god is the father and he doesn't have the knowledge of the hour and this is what we mean by him
04:27:06.340 not being equal to the father okay jay 90 seconds then after this uh i'll go jay then lancer 90 seconds
04:27:10.980 each and now we can do closing statements uh uh finishing with a muslim lantern because uh jay dyer started so let's
04:27:16.500 go 90 seconds jay now yeah the argument in both of those passages does not judge the prior revelation
04:27:22.340 on the quran the argument is that they that you can go again to uh 285 the messenger believes in what
04:27:29.380 has been revealed to him is from his lord as so so do all the believers his angels and his books the
04:27:34.340 books that are referenced and many other passages as well this includes 6 115 18 27 these are the words
04:27:41.780 of allah previously in the torah and the injeel they cannot be corrupted and changed he believes
04:27:47.140 they're corrupted and changed why because atheist scholars said so and guess what the same atheist
04:27:53.460 scholars don't believe in his books and his quran they all all the time reject so it's a double
04:27:58.420 standard they always do this they have a double standard of citing the atheist scholars who reject
04:28:02.980 the bible but also reject the quran and your quran does say many times over that i can go and check
04:28:09.140 the previous revelation to be consistent and then when we find out that it's not consistent you say
04:28:14.900 oh that's because it's corrupted so i'm supposed to look at a corrupted thing to confirm in a non-corrupted
04:28:20.420 thing that makes no sense that's why when i said what's the epistemic criteria to know the quran is
04:28:25.060 true he said the quran that's a circle you explicitly affirmed the very thing i wanted you affirm that
04:28:31.540 it is a circle you said no one wants to know no one's asking what's true i'm asking how do we know
04:28:35.620 it's true what do you mean no one's asking this question i'm asking you this question for the
04:28:39.220 third time how do we know it's true 10 seconds and in regard to in regard to john 17 3 i said
04:28:43.940 monarchical trinitarianism jesus does submit to the father that doesn't mean he has a different
04:28:47.940 nature than the father any more than a son submitted to a father means he has a different nature
04:28:52.580 okay muslim answer 90 seconds amazing you saw he jumped from another verse of the quran because he
04:28:57.540 realized that the reference was wrong and the verses
04:28:59.540 is uninterrupted uninterrupted and now he's interrupting because he knows he's i'm resetting
04:29:04.580 the timer and the and the other verse that he brought also has nothing to do with what he's
04:29:07.860 saying it says we believe in the books doesn't say the words to the books there are previous
04:29:12.020 revelations that have been revised to previous prophets when we talk about the words in that
04:29:15.380 works and you can read it and you can you can read it in context and everyone can read that
04:29:22.580 you can read it and you can see it's explicitly talking about the promise of allah you see how
04:29:25.620 interrupting he is because he knows he's being destroyed now he says if the scholar says the
04:29:29.380 bible is yes so we agree i'm happy we agree that the scholars and academia agree that the bible has
04:29:34.100 been changed corrupting there's no original etc now the the these same 80s colors and in academia you
04:29:38.900 will see that they admit that i've made videos about this before how the quran is preserved you have
04:29:42.500 dr angelica and you're it she's not muslim you have to try out of technology you have many people i can
04:29:46.420 mention now gerald boy i can mention many many names of different people who do believe who are
04:29:50.020 atheists or not muslims or academic that the quran is preserved there's a whole book's written on that on the
04:29:54.260 manuscripts for example sarah manuscript and how they show the preservation of the quran now the
04:29:57.460 quran never said the bible is consistent you're saying we've been talking about the the the
04:30:01.860 how to prove the quran we've never talked about the quran talking about the bible is corrupt
04:30:04.580 there's nothing to do with proving the quran proving the quran has a i have a video on my channel
04:30:08.420 everyone is welcome to watch it's called compelling evidences for the truth for this of islam when we
04:30:12.100 see the prophecies in the quran and hadith we say all of these different things i don't know what you
04:30:15.140 mean by proving maybe you're talking about different things now uh we are talking about the corruption of the
04:30:20.100 bible the bible has been changed the bible has been corrupted is accepted in academia i'm happy you
04:30:24.100 through your whole religion under the bus oh i agree that the son is supporting 10 seconds i agree
04:30:28.260 and i want and i want christians to listen to this he's through or everything under the bus yes we
04:30:32.020 agree it's important to the father excellent that's what we believe as muslims jesus is submitting to
04:30:36.100 the father that's what a muslim is prophet muhammad is submitting to allah and that is what the muslim
04:30:40.260 okay i'll give a closing statement to jay uh let's do uh five minutes each uh five minutes for jay and
04:30:45.140 then five minutes for muslimites we'll wrap it up here okay that's long but yeah 6 1 15 again uh neither of the
04:30:51.140 passages that he's talking about confirm what he's saying 6 1 15 the word of the lord is perfected
04:30:56.500 in truth and justice none can change allah's words he just admitted that the words of allah
04:31:02.660 in the previous passages you heard him say it in the last uh section there that no those verses those
04:31:07.460 verses of the books the message that's talking about the previous revelations of the prophets
04:31:11.300 which he just said is corrupted when his own quran says the word of allah right there cannot ever be
04:31:17.380 corrupted so he's smarter than allah and the prophet according to his attachment to unbelieving
04:31:23.380 scholars what i pointed out was his double standard and the fact that he's going to appeal to the same
04:31:28.900 scholars all but there's a bunch of other scholars that like the quran this is a fallacy of authority
04:31:32.980 appealing to scholars is a fallacy of authority if you think that proves a position you argued that
04:31:37.940 there's a bunch of scholars that debate the early church so what that has nothing to do with proving
04:31:42.340 a position you could bring in scholars to back up a position but they don't prove anything that's
04:31:47.220 called the fallacy of appeal to authority so multiple times he's made countless fallacies he
04:31:52.660 doesn't even know what they are i point them out and he laughs and talks past it he appealed he said
04:31:57.700 that i made many fallacies talking about this problem of allah's relationship to his attributes of
04:32:02.180 one and many which by the way he believes in an uncreated foot and uncreated shin if he's a salafi
04:32:06.740 if he doesn't he has to metaphorically interpret those things wait a minute now he's afforded the
04:32:10.900 ability to metaphorically interpretate interpret these texts but he doesn't grant that to us when
04:32:15.780 we talk about these passages where jesus clearly uses rhetoric clearly uses exaggeration no no we're
04:32:20.660 not allowed to do that and by the way he did try to say that i have to prove in john one because
04:32:26.340 there's no mention of three hypostases hypostasis is mentioned in hebrews one where it's identified that
04:32:31.620 the son is the eternal son of the father and he's equally divine he constantly misunderstood what
04:32:37.700 monarchical trinitarianism is because he doesn't know what it is because it recognizes this
04:32:42.260 distinction between the father and the son in terms of monarchia that doesn't mean that there's
04:32:46.420 a difference in essence so his whole argumentation this entire time was assuming that distinction
04:32:51.300 between the persons necessarily entails the distinction of s or a diminution of essence which
04:32:56.180 i said from the very opening statement is not our position so again allah's words are not corruptible
04:33:02.580 he believes they've been corrupted allah is one but you heard him use analogies to the blackness of his
04:33:09.060 shirt to help me but his own quran says that all is nothing like things in creation i'm pretty sure
04:33:15.940 your shirt is a creature i'm pretty sure black is a part or an attribute of a shirt so your own analogies
04:33:22.420 refute you and that's why i'm constantly calling you out on a double standard i'm not saying you don't
04:33:28.580 answer by stating your position but like many people who are no good at debate you think answering
04:33:33.540 your position is refuting an argument calling out a contradiction i'm arguing your position
04:33:40.340 contradicts i'm not asking you to restate the position i'm saying your position contradicts in many ways
04:33:47.300 these things contradict the word of allah cannot be corrupted or changed you just said the prior
04:33:52.500 revelations were corrupted and changed okay i'll give a final statement uh to muscle lantern uh he
04:33:59.140 went around three minutes if you can keep it uh three to four i think to be fair all good no problem
04:34:04.180 all right so he mentioned uh chapter six of the quran and as i said already there's two only two places
04:34:08.820 in the front talks about the words of allah chapter six and another uh chapter 18 of the quran one
04:34:13.460 explicitly talks about the quran mentions the ayat the verses of allah specifically referring to the quran
04:34:18.260 and the other one which he quoted in in six is talks about it talks about the judgment and the
04:34:22.340 promise of allah how do you know read the verse before allah says in the quran is there any judge
04:34:27.940 that i'll take other than allah talking about the judgment of allah and then it says that that uh uh
04:34:32.740 with them at kalima to rabbik and the the promise of your lord or the word the judgment of your lord has
04:34:37.060 been fulfilled why is that talking about i'm talking about verses oh definitely not talking about the
04:34:41.540 right because i've already explained this is the final statement this is the final statement
04:34:47.780 cry don't cry you're losing don't interrupt you don't cry i know i know you cry can't do this can't
04:34:52.820 do this can't do this you should mute him by the way he's interrupting my final statement you should
04:34:58.740 other than i let you speak and then interrupt you so you should be muted and please increase the time as
04:35:02.340 well yeah i'm resetting your time go ahead can you please mute him he's gonna he's muted yeah he's muted
04:35:09.540 all right okay so again we'll say this very very very simply uh the verse of the quran i mentioned
04:35:14.500 it i mentioned the verse and open in exigences open the exigences of the scholars nobody have said
04:35:19.380 in islamic history that this is referring to the previous scriptures and i give evidences why this is
04:35:23.380 not referring to the previous scriptures that they are corrupt and i give evidences he gave an evidence
04:35:26.660 by himself misquoting the verse in chapter five also i gave chapter two of the quran verse 75 and
04:35:31.540 verse 79 which was clearly this guy doesn't know what he's talking about now he said oh we do metaphors
04:35:36.100 when did i do a metaphor or if you're this if you're that you don't even know what i am that's
04:35:39.700 that's the problem you come to argue with me i argue from the quran and hadith i only state i'm
04:35:44.500 i only state i'm a muslim i don't do other than that i talk about using the quran hadith allah is in
04:35:49.540 the quran allah is in the quran he's not like us so any attribute that allah will have in the quran
04:35:54.500 it is it is not like us now he says he doesn't understand this he doesn't understand that it's this
04:35:58.820 is just a what we call what we call uk waffle in the uk just someone waffles few words he thinks
04:36:04.980 he's making big words we can confuse the audience all these fallacies and and and he says i'm not
04:36:09.460 good at debating when i've already responded he said there's a contradiction in the quran
04:36:13.380 that verses contradict one another i showed him the verses are not talking about the previous
04:36:16.660 scriptures they are talking about the promise of allah so there is no contradiction so i was
04:36:20.020 refuting him he came to the black and white shirt and all i already told him this analogy to do with
04:36:24.020 the attributes not to do with allah so do not i'm not trying to say the shirt is allah and if you
04:36:27.620 don't understand that then i don't think you should be debating any time in the future with
04:36:31.540 all due respect now the last thing i'm sorry to say look jay left defending jesus he admitted that he's
04:36:36.020 subordinate he started to use someone fully oh the essence is not this oh this is it doesn't matter
04:36:40.260 what we can see reading the verses and scriptures before before all of this philosophy have been
04:36:44.340 introduced and brought into the picture is that clearly jesus was supported and that's why we have
04:36:49.620 the earliest groups like the ebunites and nazarees or whatever which they will call heretical did not
04:36:53.860 believe the tradition beliefs we have the church fathers and i said i can easily give more
04:36:57.540 quotes where they didn't agree on the concept that jay has in his mind so simply jay has put jesus
04:37:03.220 under the bus from a position that he believes in the trinity and he clearly admitted he doesn't
04:37:08.100 know the hour it is not the same i think he's contradicting himself he says he doesn't know the
04:37:11.460 hour but at the same time they're not equal in essence but at the same time they're the same but
04:37:14.900 he just keeps contradicting himself and going in the same circle so is it metaphorical or he doesn't
04:37:18.820 really know the hour and they're subordinate to one another he doesn't know his own positions and with
04:37:22.740 that we conclude we ask people to worship the creator of jesus the lord of jesus who he said
04:37:27.780 he's coming back to you since i'm going back to my god we asked you to worship that lord that jesus
04:37:31.540 came to and he said he's going to worship he's going to go back to that is the lord that we call
04:37:34.820 you to worship the lord of jesus moses no prophet muhammad and peace be upon all of the prophets and
04:37:39.060 messengers and i conclude here with this cooking and because it's burning in the kitchen now all right okay
04:37:44.500 wait before before um um before we hang up hold up uh jay i want to get because he we um there was
04:37:50.420 interruptions um i did say that it was going to be the closing statements but because it seems like
04:37:54.420 there's more do you think we could do uh one more back and forth two minutes each is that okay with
04:37:58.260 both parties no i think that's it's good to edit here i don't want to go more forth oh he doesn't
04:38:03.860 want to go anymore it's a waste of time he keeps repeating the same thing every time we talk no i have
04:38:08.660 another 378 says the book okay okay jay jay i'll say this anymore because he knows he's a body we
04:38:15.780 already had a debate so now you're losing yeah i do i do appreciate you coming on it was nice to meet
04:38:20.100 you of your problems i'm not crying dude you're the one you want to talk to him it's all rhetoric
04:38:28.740 jay it was nice to meet you and i appreciate you coming on here this is much more civil than the
04:38:32.660 earlier debate i hope to do this again i think this this was um it was fast-paced and it was enjoyable
04:38:38.900 anytime thank you okay all right how do you yeah you just left that's why this is
04:38:46.820 this jacosa here yeah right here oh jacosa how you doing man hey man yeah i think i was trying
04:38:52.340 to be respectful it goes debate you know i just you know if you ask me to get in get involved i'll get
04:38:57.060 involved yeah i know i wanted to keep it fast-paced that's why i think it was better i moderated the
04:39:00.820 way i i had it but um okay hold on let's do a poll let's do a poll um can uh i just
04:39:08.660 all right bronze is not responding to me let's i want to do a poll and see who won let's see i
04:39:14.100 gotta say that was more fair than last time you you moderated way more fairly this debate i think it
04:39:19.300 has to be timer like it i i want it to be free-flown but i think the the way to go is just it's timer
04:39:24.260 like this and uh let's establish one thing and be honest wait before before you make a point i i do i
04:39:29.460 want to i want to do the poll before you continue to keep it fair oh yeah sure sure sure okay uh no one my
04:39:33.780 team is but i don't think that the poll is fair because majority of people don't share christians
04:39:37.620 yeah you have an 80 no he has an 80% muslim audience right now oh come on all right no j or lantern
04:39:46.260 let's see he's live so he will bring his viewers here essentially right i'm not live and i did not
04:39:50.260 announce this but anyways you can do it no problem okay j lantern i'm curious what it would okay create
04:39:57.940 pull uh do you know how to make one jagosa oh no i think i got it
04:40:09.540 okay i am oh no bronson has pinned it i think yeah only only mods could do that okay okay
04:40:17.620 okay here we go it's in love speech it's pinned right now oh yeah okay
04:40:22.580 all right that was an interesting one i gotta tell that was really good i like the fast pace of
04:40:32.580 it that was yeah that was good that was good the only thing i think the only thing that i think you
04:40:37.300 guys both had good argument uh strong positions um on certain topics uh it was pretty it was pretty
04:40:44.980 even i definitely have opinions on both sides um however i think what kind of made it messy is
04:40:50.980 when we make our opening statements i think asking questions to the other party and kind of
04:40:55.700 breaks this conversational style that because it's like for example jay he you know uh qualified
04:41:02.180 something and clarified something and then when you continued speaking he believed he felt that you
04:41:08.340 misunderstood him he felt that you were like misrepresenting his qualification
04:41:12.420 or clarification so then you know you guys started going back and forth
04:41:15.940 yeah the reason i asked about the trinity is because the debate is about the trinity so i need
04:41:20.740 the definition from him right i cannot like if he doesn't define it he can always like shift and go
04:41:25.140 to different things that's why i wanted to ask him that question but then when i started talking
04:41:28.820 then he said you're misinterrupting with the church father i said okay say would the church
04:41:31.700 father agree or not he knows they didn't agree so he didn't want to respond to that question
04:41:35.380 because church fathers have different beliefs about jesus but yeah the thing is what i wanted to
04:41:39.540 mention is people can see i did not interrupt anyone nor nor was it andrew nor nor this guy i don't
04:41:44.420 interrupt people i don't need to interrupt you because i know what you're making the argument
04:41:48.340 you're making i can easily respond to who i don't know why christians have to jump into interrupting
04:41:52.820 when it's my time okay everybody vote in the poll vote in the poll there's only 258 votes i don't
04:41:58.100 want to show it on screen yet i want to get i'll show when it has a thousand
04:42:04.660 but yeah go ahead yeah um i would say that uh you know um i think you did a good job against the trinity
04:42:13.540 the thing is i think on his end everything you said was kind of null and void even though like you make
04:42:20.500 sense everything you said like is null and void because he said his position was that just because
04:42:28.740 the son and the father are different and have different aspects to them let's just say for
04:42:35.860 example you brought out that the son doesn't like the father like the father knows things that the son
04:42:41.700 doesn't right like you brought up that understandable like i get what you're saying however if he's saying
04:42:46.820 and that's that's okay he believes that as well however they could still be with be the same essence
04:42:53.380 like that's his point like they could still be the same essences with differences with some differences
04:42:58.260 like you know that's irrelevant that's irrelevant that's why i defined the trinity in the beginning
04:43:02.500 and i said it says equality and if he's admitting that they're not equal in knowledge then you cannot
04:43:07.380 say that they're both the same league i mean hey i'm not arguing you yeah i'm showing you why his point
04:43:14.820 is void because it's not to do with the essence it's to do with the equality he's making a stroman
04:43:19.140 argument by talking about the essence i'm talking about but i think the trinitarian position is that
04:43:25.140 even though you may you may be making sound arguments he's saying that you could you could both
04:43:31.380 still be right you could be right and saying yes they're not equal in all parts he's saying that they're
04:43:36.500 equal in some parts which it still shows equality to an extent when that the fact that he's saying
04:43:42.180 that they're equal doesn't mean they have to be equal in everything that they're equal in like most
04:43:46.740 things that they're still it still qualifies as equality that's what he thinks so if the father
04:43:51.540 is superior in certain things then we're saying worship is superior being that's in some position
04:43:55.620 we're saying anything that is not fully superior is not god i'm by the field yes so from a trinitarian's
04:44:02.420 viewpoint i'm speaking like poor trinitarian you didn't debunk the trinity because they still
04:44:09.460 believe no no i disagree with you because the position of j is not representative of the rest of
04:44:14.580 trinitarians and the trinitarians don't have the same position all of them anyways and he is specific
04:44:19.540 type of christian that's why he's disagreeing orthodox right on yeah in his own debate he's disagreeing
04:44:23.620 with sad because he has a different position so if you bring a protest and i'll tell you something else
04:44:26.740 so it has to be scripture based and the scripture does not present the trinity there you don't see it
04:44:31.380 so j is not representative of christians anyways but his argument i'm saying it is still against
04:44:36.180 the trinity because if he says the trinity is that they're not equal the one is uh and even in some
04:44:42.660 things one is superior to the other that's not the the doctrine the doctrine says that a co-equality of
04:44:47.700 them this is what the doctrine established so you're saying trinitarians are supposed to believe that
04:44:51.780 they are equal in all things means the same thing right co-equal that means they have equality in
04:44:57.860 everything and attributes in everything and quote eternal when they say fully god right when they say
04:45:02.500 the son is fully god he has to be fully god it cannot be fully god on some attributes you have
04:45:06.820 less than the father that's why other christians when you bring this verse up they don't they never
04:45:10.420 respond in that way but yes they support and i agree they don't do that okay people are saying it's
04:45:14.820 a rigged vote because it's a love speech and not everybody can join but uh muscle lantern right now
04:45:19.780 you're at 65 that you won uh i do want to do a straw poll bronson do a straw poll um because it's
04:45:26.820 it's only people that are in the community so yeah do do a straw poll so that it doesn't matter
04:45:32.420 if they're they're in love speech or not but yeah right now after 900 votes it's 65 muslim lantern
04:45:39.940 within love speech and um so let's do a straw poll okay i'm texting right now do you and also if you'd
04:45:46.100 like i mean you don't have to if you if you'd like i can put a poll on my main twitter page and then all
04:45:52.100 the muslims and the christians who are listening right now can go to my page and vote nice plug no
04:45:57.220 we're doing straw poll okay okay i did not i just want to be clear i did not yeah i just want to be
04:46:04.020 clear if it's still 65 that people should know i didn't even announce this debate i didn't even
04:46:08.740 announce it nor on my youtube nor he's live streaming literally so he can easily tell his oh go vote you
04:46:14.180 know so that's not really fair in any way shape or form but anyways i don't care you can i don't i don't
04:46:19.220 i personally don't think he did that i don't think he told people the vote they would have said it by
04:46:23.220 now hopefully he doesn't if he does then the christians can see the hypocrisy of sending some
04:46:27.460 but i would say that i would say that i don't think that he contradicted himself the way that you were
04:46:33.700 trying to make it seem and secondly i think you should have been stronger on your position regarding
04:46:38.900 the the hand the foot whether that's physical whether that's metaphorical because he was basically
04:46:44.660 saying that you didn't want to like state your position on whether or not he has a hand or a
04:46:48.820 foot like you didn't want to really say whether or not you believe that to be physical or metaphorical
04:46:55.300 no no it's there's a third option it's not two options and the reason i didn't respond
04:47:00.580 is because uh it's irrelevant to the topic the topic is about tawhid and i already established a
04:47:05.220 point that attributes do not show uh multiple entities that's such a ridiculous argument say that i have
04:47:13.060 love and hate and you know enmity whatever attributes i have therefore i'm many people that's such a
04:47:18.100 ridiculous argument that's why i don't need to respond to that so when we talk about any of
04:47:21.300 these attributes that you mentioned we consider them attributes we don't consider them parts and
04:47:25.780 no muslim scholar does that consider them but no reputable muslim scholar in islamic history will
04:47:30.660 tell you these are parts that's why his argument is not valid anyways that's why i don't need to
04:47:35.300 respond what my position is what my creed specifically is it's irrelevant because attributes are not different
04:47:41.700 beings nobody believes that okay here it is we got the straw poll now it looks a lot more even
04:47:47.540 compared to love speech so i i guess we got a sense that love speeches the love speech community is
04:47:52.660 majority uh muslims right now because okay it's fair right now it's 50 50 right now it's like 170 180 180
04:48:00.100 this is this is so close it was close man it was a good debate you're leading by a little bit right
04:48:06.180 now muscle mindset you're leading by like 10 no plus keep in mind as i said he came from a live
04:48:10.100 stream so his audience came with him you can say whatever you want i did not come from a live stream
04:48:14.500 i did not that's fair i'm still waiting at the poll and there's another hundred dollars uh hundred
04:48:19.940 dollars to chris chris poplowski you're welcome i bought you dinner uh decent bonfire says muting mics
04:48:24.900 during the other person's turn might work in a visible time clock age of consent and trinity are great
04:48:29.060 topics they should agree to overlook technicalities to keep the conversation going yeah and i i should have done
04:48:33.460 that with um but just by andrew with andrew wilson it just got to too many disagreements that it was
04:48:38.580 too uncivil to really have a debate at that point i think i think i made the right call to end it at
04:48:42.740 that point but maybe you guys uh um uh disagree yeah no no it would it would have gone in a circle
04:48:48.020 that's why i said like it's already 3 a.m over here and our discussion was already 12 o'clock with the
04:48:52.740 other guy andrew so okay i don't know if you can see but right now there's about 500 votes and um
04:48:57.940 we have muslim lantern with a close victory a close victory let's wait till we get to a thousand
04:49:04.580 votes there'll be muslim lantern come on man i'm gonna put a poll too i want to see oh my god you
04:49:11.300 go see you're coping bro bro this is fair it's straw poll don't do the thing where you try to win and
04:49:18.180 like have come on man uh zirka zirka uh put a poll in zirka yeah yeah no shit in a christian
04:49:25.140 community with a cross on the title dude this is the unbiased vote right here it's over 10 000 people
04:49:30.340 watching there's no bias of who could join it anybody can join this poll this is fair look at
04:49:35.300 you trying to rig the vote like biden bro like this is you know you don't love speech is fully muslim
04:49:40.180 bro okay it's not love speech this is from the stream right now okay okay this is this is no in love
04:49:46.980 speech it dominated it was 65 percent so i made a new one and now it's 55 or 56 muslim lantern all
04:49:53.460 it's the show all it's to throw it within rumble okay it's a rumble straw poll it's it's pinned in
04:49:57.940 the chat right now yeah this is something to unban the christians because they can't vote but i saw
04:50:01.780 what you typed in the chat earlier it's not like it was unjustified i i'm not gonna i was bro i repeated
04:50:07.220 what andrew was just because it was funny like what the i just repeated it okay they're good
04:50:13.220 are you banned in the chat and also that doesn't affect the vote even if you're bad if you're muted
04:50:18.580 in chat for five minutes you can still vote on the poll okay so so right now we have back-to-back
04:50:23.700 andrew wilson and jay dyer whoever his name is i don't want christians to speak again or
04:50:28.100 oh muslim editor doesn't discuss with people i don't want to hear that again whenever we're having a chat
04:50:32.740 me and sneak with someone i don't want someone to be telling me that right i've already had your
04:50:36.500 discussions and talks the whole chat was spamming to call jay dyer we did it done so like there's no running
04:50:41.380 by the way uh your favorite guy jaco sam shamoon said that he's not free until september 30th
04:50:46.740 so anybody who's saying sam we got the message on skype i could show you the email again we said
04:50:51.700 let's do it today he said i'm not free until september 30th so we cannot do it until his
04:50:56.820 schedule clears up and he did the fresh thing called him out before yes just set it up for september 30th
04:51:03.940 yeah sure but that's a long time for now so anyone saying we're running from that just shut up because
04:51:07.860 you're wrong what would it with mom debate them or would it be anybody anybody from this
04:51:13.220 like muslim lancer will debate him shake his mom will debate him anybody the point is the whole reason
04:51:17.220 i didn't sneak who knows like our people who watch me know i don't do the dates not because i'm
04:51:21.700 incapable of doing i clearly do it but because these people get agitated interrupt start insulting it's no
04:51:27.700 longer a genuine discourse or something like you're for example you're a christian now but you're being
04:51:32.660 fair we have a discussion you disagree with me i'm disagreeing with you but it's
04:51:35.140 that was respectful that's the only thing we're looking for like just remain respectful let's
04:51:39.620 discuss points that's not about this and that scoring points i can easily do this game by the
04:51:44.420 mind that's why my apology my apology i do that um my opinion is that daydair did it i think it was
04:51:53.700 hard to get anywhere i think you both made good points on both ends i think you you kind of won the
04:51:58.900 trinity a little bit but you didn't fully debunk it so i think trinitarians are going to be like okay
04:52:03.780 what did you even really say because because of their stance on it like from a more logical
04:52:08.580 standpoint yeah like you made sense but their stance is you know they're it's still one essence
04:52:14.900 the father and the son are different in some ways but they're still equal that's that's their mindset
04:52:18.740 that's all i'm saying they they you didn't like based on a trinitarian's viewpoint they still like
04:52:24.820 believe what they believe in the trinity because you didn't really debunk it
04:52:28.820 because of what they believe you didn't really like isolate exactly what they believe and then
04:52:34.980 debunk it you just basically spoke about a general viewpoint of why jesus and god are different no
04:52:40.420 all i'm saying is this is simply if you're saying the trinity means that jesus is lesser than the
04:52:44.500 father in certain aspects and the father is the ultimate authority in everything and this is what we
04:52:48.980 want if this is what you mean by the trinity then okay yeah because they believe that they're equal
04:52:53.620 within like that one no no i believe there's equality with one as i said jay's position is
04:52:58.660 not the overwhelming position overwhelming position you can speak to many christians is that they're
04:53:02.900 co-equal they're equal they they don't say that okay yeah one knows one doesn't know uh one you know
04:53:08.660 praise and submits for the other the other one does it one has a god the other doesn't have a god
04:53:12.980 like people can play games all the world terminology but if this is what you're saying then we're
04:53:16.900 worshiping the ultimate supreme being and by the way i can see the voice changing and i know that there is
04:53:20.740 that influence going on right so other like as i said i don't care no no with the with the uh voting
04:53:27.460 thing i said voting is it changing for real winning jacosa thanks for coming on bro yeah no we i
04:53:37.220 appreciate you bro anytime bro let me know all right let's uh let's set up another one if you can find
04:53:42.260 another one because uh all right he's gone but um yeah if you can find up another one oh he's back okay
04:53:49.460 you know what'd you say yeah i just uh if you want to find another one because um sam is uh we sent
04:53:56.180 him his pigeons and he's busy i don't know if his wi-fi is working but bro i mean i could easily just
04:54:01.220 bro he streams every day you know he even called you out too like he was like yo i'm right here i'm free
04:54:07.860 and he deleted the post i'm assuming he did say to the people go i vote yeah it's like uh it's how it is
04:54:12.740 i probably yeah i'm telling you cico i know it's a little bit difficult i know it's dice because sam has been very
04:54:17.300 very disrespectful to islam i know it's weird it's awkward it's not weird we said we'll do it
04:54:22.100 he's not free and for over a month his schedule is that's fine bro it's worth it no we i i we put
04:54:29.460 the offer already he's been super disrespectful oh great okay let's all soon jacosa all right cool
04:54:35.620 all right guys all right bye jade i are 100 told his fans to go he just deleted the post on twitter yeah
04:54:41.300 he put it he put it in his stream but i i said i was gonna to cap it at a thousand um yeah that's
04:54:47.620 that's that's that's what they have to do to try and win you know because when you put it fair and
04:54:52.180 square even though he had people already from the stream he was losing and he lost that's why he's
04:54:56.740 like you know please guys go support me by clicking on this link and uh okay well alhamdulillah i'm
04:55:03.700 happy i want to show i want to show people i mean it was good it was a good discussion it was a good
04:55:08.660 discussion um all right um yeah thanks for coming on i know it's very late over there
04:55:18.020 um by the way i'm coming to london tomorrow oh you come tomorrow of course we'll meet up
04:55:23.220 inshallah catch up again all right i mean come here yeah we can do the other thing as well that
04:55:27.380 we talked about maybe we'll discuss it when you come here inshallah i don't know she had nice year
04:55:31.460 as well i think so can we meet up with them as well what was the other thing you discussed
04:55:34.980 uh you you discussed no i'll tell you i'll tell you upstream okay okay i'll tell you all
04:55:39.940 strange all right thanks for coming on have a great night all right i'll see you guys uh bye
04:55:45.540 bye love speech hopefully you had what you guys wanted you know all this time this debate i've done
04:55:50.660 it and then hopefully people are happy all right all right see you everyone w in the chat as you say
04:55:56.260 yeah all right all right see you w in the chat i told uh i told warner earlier that i was going to do a
04:56:03.300 short stream and it's been four hours okay i'm tired i am tired
04:56:16.340 you're sitting there like like farming likes and saying that i'm going to be doing something i'm
04:56:40.900 do i'm doing something what the am i doing like you're just a parademon you're you're like sitting
04:56:49.700 there other people are like having these assumptions and these and then you're like
04:56:57.060 like you're just correct we should have had her debate
04:56:59.220 you know close your damn mouth shut your gaping maw your gaping jaw you look like an idiot you look
04:57:10.820 like a slack jawed yokel close that mouth andrew uh you where have you been where have you been i've
04:57:18.980 literally had entire debates on this topic and i've spanked all of your christian apologists on this topic
04:57:24.660 okay all right guys i'm gonna get some sleep long of love speech hope you enjoyed the stream
04:57:34.100 this is a lot of fun um i don't want to end on 10k should i go to god pill right now wait let's
04:57:39.940 see if warner's up right now it's 10k right now oh man i'm getting no sleep i have to finish editing
04:57:46.020 the bosnia video too let's see let's see if he's up
04:58:02.820 he's probably asleep he's definitely asleep
04:58:17.300 i can't leave on 10k
04:58:21.380 um yo wait what was i gonna say
04:58:25.940 can't leave on 10k chat is so active right now
04:58:55.940 rule
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