SNEAKO - Islam vs Christianity Debate： Muslim Lantern VS Andrew Wilson

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00:01:45.520 Oh yeah

00:01:47.520 A lot of speech, what's going on?

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00:02:33.520 that's feeling man long of love speech another great stream today you're ready for the debate

00:02:36.640 you ready for the debate best hotel streamer worldwide you are

00:02:41.180 what's the problem what's the problem in the arm in the business in the thoughts in the business

00:02:53.360 black and chinese

00:03:09.080 live from albania right now by the way live from albania

00:03:19.080 uchaka albania we in a building some fire irl streams so nobody complain about it at all fire irl

00:03:25.880 streams back-to-back

00:03:34.360 who you got in the debate islam or christianity who you got

00:03:49.080 in a dangerous life

00:04:05.480 we got a great stream plan great stream plan

00:04:09.880 oh

00:04:14.520 it's pretty close

00:04:15.560 my mama was raised in the era when clean water was only served to the ferris skin

00:04:22.360 doing close you would have thought i had

00:04:24.680 but it wasn't satisfied unless i picked the car and myself you see his broke

00:04:29.080 nigger race and that's that don't touch anything in the stuff and it's rich nigger race and that's that

00:04:33.320 come in please by mo what you want a billy fur coat a diamond chain

00:04:38.120 all you blacks used to only be nigger

00:04:47.320 new slaves

00:04:54.120 chai you got andrew wilson and muslim lantern

00:05:00.120 you see his leaders and his followers but i'd rather be a dick than a swallower

00:05:06.440 you see his leaders and his followers but would you rather be a dick or a swallower chai

00:05:18.920 you a dick or a swallower chai

00:05:24.600 albania what's going on you like the rl's

00:05:26.600 black keys i wear my heart on the sleeve i know we're we the new slaves i see the blood on the

00:05:33.480 leaves i see the blood on the leaves i know that we the new slaves i see the blood on the leaves

00:05:38.440 they throw a hit at me want me to stay at ease

00:05:41.640 fuck you and your corporation y'all niggas can't control me

00:05:44.920 i know that we the new slaves i know that we the new slaves i'm about to walk the fuck out

00:05:49.640 i'm going body bouche i know that pussy ain't free you niggas pussy ain't me

00:05:54.280 y'all don't want contracts to me you know that niggas can't read

00:05:57.640 don't want some made back keys

00:05:59.400 fuck you say la b i know that we the new slaves

00:06:02.440 y'all niggas can't fuck with me y'all niggas can't fuck with me y'all niggas can't fuck with me

00:06:05.640 y'all niggas can't fuck with me y'all niggas can't fuck with me

00:06:07.160 i'm about to walk the fuck out

00:06:08.760 so you can't see where i stay so go and grab the reporter

00:06:12.040 so i can smash that recorder

00:06:13.720 give me the nitrous chat please could i have the nitrous

00:06:18.200 team up with the cca they try and lock niggas up

00:06:21.640 they try and make new slaves

00:06:23.240 see that's that probably on prison get your piece today

00:06:26.440 they probably all in the hamptons brag about what they made

00:06:29.640 fuck you and your hampton house i'm fuck your hampton spouse

00:06:32.840 came on a hampton blouse and then i hampton mouth

00:06:36.040 y'all about to turn shit up i'm about to tear shit down

00:06:39.240 i'm about to air shit out

00:06:40.840 now what the fuck they gon' say now

00:06:57.160 i've been this one

00:06:59.320 make this happen again

00:07:01.560 so long so long so

00:07:04.200 it's like no fun

00:07:06.280 and i'm like no

00:07:07.720 i can't move

00:07:09.720 i can't move

00:07:11.720 no i can't move

00:07:13.720 i can't be able to do

00:07:17.720 so let's get too hard

00:07:19.720 get too hard

00:07:32.680 islam or christianity who you got islam or christianity chat

00:07:37.720 it's gonna be a good stream today inshallah

00:07:39.720 inshallah inshallah

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00:07:47.800 there's a lot i want to talk about today chap before the debate

00:07:50.520 actually not that much

00:07:54.200 and i'm announcing go to london tomorrow london

00:07:56.520 london i will be in your city tomorrow

00:07:59.480 in it

00:08:01.320 london to return

00:08:02.760 love speech is landing tomorrow

00:08:10.760 let me get along with love speech if love speech is the best community

00:08:13.960 in the streaming world

00:08:23.640 is love speech we love love speech don't we

00:08:31.400 we get along of love speech

00:08:41.960 we choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things

00:08:53.880 not because they are easy

00:08:55.960 who killed jfk

00:08:57.960 but because they are hard

00:08:59.240 by the way did you see ryan garcia waking up after like five years

00:09:02.600 hey ryan i tried to tell you and then you started crashing out drunk in a space i was telling you that

00:09:08.360 israel controlled the world how long ago and now niggas is finally waking up because

00:09:12.840 candace owens got out of twitter space i'm just asking questions did israel do 9 11 yeah

00:09:19.320 yeah nigga yes yes yes and they killed jfk yes whoa everybody wants to wake up now the jq is

00:09:27.000 not even funny anymore it's not fun you know it was this taboo esoteric knowledge niche and

00:09:34.200 now everybody wants to talk about it now everyone's like posting is this the talmud what is this

00:09:39.320 is this what they what's the talmud huh

00:09:45.160 you finally woke up

00:09:47.160 finally you know the the thing is too they all

00:09:51.080 saw it they all knew about it but they just ignored it until it became mainstream enough to

00:09:54.680 finally i'm just asking questions i'm just asking

00:09:58.520 they're pretending like they didn't know because now it's safe now it's safe to talk about the jq

00:10:07.640 but love speech who was doing it who was doing it when you could uh lose everything and when you did

00:10:13.720 lose everything for talking about it because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best

00:10:20.840 of our energies and skills because that challenge is one that we're willing to accept

00:10:26.840 one we are unwilling to postpone

00:10:28.840 in the

00:10:47.240 Europe is a beautiful place.

00:11:17.240 Yeah, but we're going to do the debate starting soon, starting very soon, have to catch

00:11:26.420 up, have to do a little bit of communication with everybody, make sure that we're on the

00:11:30.740 same page.

00:11:31.740 Alright, there's some stuff I want to yap to, I want to get into.

00:11:37.280 But I think to start the stream, I wanted to just get in the right mood, just get in

00:11:44.740 the right headspace, man.

00:11:47.000 We're going.

00:11:48.000 Shut up, faggots.

00:11:49.000 Shut up.

00:11:50.000 Yes, sir.

00:11:52.000 Okay, everybody lock in, lock in.

00:12:01.000 Spread it on the floor.

00:12:03.000 W Freemasons.

00:12:04.000 Shout out to Lucifer.

00:12:06.000 Shout out to the Jewish Messiah, the Mashique.

00:12:10.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:12:11.000 Shout out to the billionaires that are still slaves.

00:12:15.000 Boom, boom, boom.

00:12:17.000 If we fuck with Lucifer, let's get a W in the chat.

00:12:21.000 W's in the chat for Lucifer.

00:12:23.000 One more time.

00:12:24.000 One more time.

00:12:25.000 We should.

00:12:26.000 I would have allowed him to share the honor regime.

00:12:27.000 I would have allowed him to share the honor regime.

00:12:30.000 But yes.

00:12:31.000 Let's get in there.

00:12:32.000 Point to the one eye symbolism.

00:12:33.000 Right?

00:12:34.000 The all-seeing eye.

00:12:35.000 Pledge allegiance to the Freemasons.

00:12:36.000 Yes.

00:12:37.000 Boom, boom.

00:12:38.000 Beat it on your chest to let out the demon spirits.

00:12:41.000 Everyone's spamming W's.

00:12:42.000 Yes.

00:12:43.000 You guys fuck with the Jewish Messiah?

00:12:45.000 Okay.

00:12:46.000 Spread it on the floor.

00:12:47.000 That black magic.

00:12:48.000 Give it to your teammates.

00:12:49.000 Boom, boom.

00:12:50.000 Boom.

00:12:51.000 There you go.

00:12:52.000 W LeBron.

00:12:53.000 W LeBron.

00:12:54.000 Getting initiated by a bunch of rabbis.

00:12:57.000 Beat it on the chest.

00:12:59.000 Ah!

00:13:00.000 And then yell.

00:13:01.000 I'll stop for a lot.

00:13:03.000 I'll lose him a lot of in a shaytana regime.

00:13:06.000 It's funny that they put the title like that he's um.

00:13:09.000 Kyrie.

00:13:10.000 Is he why?

00:13:11.000 Is he pledging allegiance to you?

00:13:12.000 This is what the title is.

00:13:13.000 NBA posted this too.

00:13:15.000 And this is how you know it's a PSYOP.

00:13:17.000 And I know, I think even Kyrie knows this.

00:13:19.000 We could ask him now.

00:13:21.000 That he follows this love speech.

00:13:23.000 How is he paying tribute to Kyrie Irving by beating his chest for the Baphomet?

00:13:29.000 And I don't know if you noticed.

00:13:31.000 Did you see a whole bunch of these people?

00:13:33.000 Israel just started paying a bunch of black billionaires.

00:13:36.000 Like LeBron who are still slaves.

00:13:38.000 Let's be real.

00:13:39.000 Um.

00:13:40.000 Bronny, you see I met you one time.

00:13:41.000 But let's be real.

00:13:42.000 Like a lot of these people are still slaves.

00:13:44.000 Even though they have a lot of money.

00:13:45.000 Israel's paying black celebrities.

00:13:47.000 Like Fashion Nova.

00:13:48.000 To go and promote Israel.

00:13:50.000 So I want to.

00:13:51.000 I want to go over what modern day slavery is.

00:13:53.000 Okay.

00:13:54.000 This is gold scene records.

00:13:56.000 Gold scene records.

00:13:57.000 Behind the scenes.

00:13:58.000 We all know that.

00:13:59.000 Uh.

00:14:00.000 The biggest rap executives.

00:14:01.000 They're all.

00:14:02.000 They're all Zionists.

00:14:03.000 They're all Jewish.

00:14:04.000 But let's just say what it is.

00:14:06.000 Let's just say what it is.

00:14:07.000 Gold scene records.

00:14:08.000 Oh yeah.

00:14:09.000 And then you get the.

00:14:10.000 Yeah nigga.

00:14:11.000 Fuck nigga.

00:14:12.000 Shit nigga.

00:14:13.000 Hey one.

00:14:14.000 Two.

00:14:15.000 Fuck nigga shit.

00:14:16.000 Fuck nigga.

00:14:17.000 Fuck shit ass nigga.

00:14:18.000 Fuck nigga ass bitch.

00:14:19.000 Get money smoked.

00:14:20.000 Fuck bitch shit.

00:14:21.000 Ooga booga.

00:14:22.000 Ooga booga.

00:14:23.000 The full comic here.

00:14:24.000 Is here.

00:14:25.000 I love.

00:14:26.000 This is one of my favorite memes.

00:14:27.000 Look at all these.

00:14:28.000 Uh.

00:14:29.000 You got good citizens.

00:14:30.000 Let's be.

00:14:31.000 Let's just say what it is.

00:14:32.000 And I'm not going to even sugar coat anymore.

00:14:33.000 These are white citizens.

00:14:34.000 I'm going to study hard at college.

00:14:36.000 I value education.

00:14:37.000 We must spend responsibly.

00:14:38.000 And not beyond our means.

00:14:39.000 So that our economy grows steady.

00:14:41.000 Agreed.

00:14:42.000 An educated country.

00:14:43.000 Is a fair and prosperous country.

00:14:44.000 Let's make the most of our.

00:14:45.000 Lives friends.

00:14:46.000 And look at him.

00:14:47.000 No.

00:14:48.000 And then look at here.

00:14:49.000 Ooh.

00:14:50.000 Look at that.

00:14:51.000 Look at Sub-Saharan Africa.

00:14:52.000 Nigga nigga money nigga.

00:14:54.000 Nigga shit.

00:14:55.000 Swag.

00:14:56.000 Shit.

00:14:57.000 Yo nigga fuck nigga.

00:14:58.000 Ooga booga.

00:14:59.000 Fuck shit nigga.

00:15:00.000 Fuck.

00:15:01.000 Get that money nigga.

00:15:02.000 Fuck shit nigga.

00:15:03.000 Excuse me.

00:15:04.000 How would you filthy.

00:15:05.000 Nick.

00:15:06.000 I mean.

00:15:07.000 Find folks like a record deal.

00:15:08.000 Fuck yeah nigga.

00:15:09.000 We on top now motherfucker.

00:15:11.000 Ooga booga.

00:15:12.000 Get the money.

00:15:14.000 Goes into the.

00:15:16.000 Goes into the studio.

00:15:18.000 At Goldstein Records.

00:15:19.000 Fuck nigga shit.

00:15:20.000 Fuck nigga.

00:15:21.000 Fuck shit.

00:15:22.000 And then here it goes.

00:15:23.000 And brainwashes everybody.

00:15:24.000 Playing through the radio.

00:15:25.000 Fuck nigga.

00:15:26.000 And this is why music is haram.

00:15:27.000 This is why music is haram.

00:15:29.000 Because it casts spells on people.

00:15:31.000 And brainwashes people.

00:15:32.000 Fuck nigga shit.

00:15:33.000 Oh they're like.

00:15:34.000 Oh.

00:15:35.000 Putting in a trance.

00:15:36.000 And then you get wiggers.

00:15:37.000 You get a society full of wiggers.

00:15:39.000 School is for faggots.

00:15:42.000 Yo bitch.

00:15:43.000 Let me hit that.

00:15:44.000 I'm driving that Ferrari nigga.

00:15:46.000 Too fucking sexy for you.

00:15:47.000 I'm a twerking for that child.

00:15:49.000 This looks like Miley Cyrus bending over her pancake ass.

00:15:52.000 I'm a twerk for that child support.

00:15:54.000 YOLO.

00:15:55.000 Yo nigga.

00:15:56.000 I'm riding dirty from the hood.

00:15:57.000 Get that money.

00:15:58.000 Get them diamonds.

00:15:59.000 Yo.

00:16:00.000 I'm a cap a motherfucker with my nine.

00:16:02.000 You ain't never fucked a slut like this before.

00:16:05.000 Whose dick I gotta suck to get ice.

00:16:07.000 Where my coke at.

00:16:09.000 Yes.

00:16:10.000 That's how it works.

00:16:14.000 And this comic is supposed to be racist.

00:16:16.000 But everybody knows it's true.

00:16:17.000 So it doesn't matter.

00:16:18.000 Who cares if you get called racist anymore.

00:16:20.000 Who cares.

00:16:21.000 Because we get people like this.

00:16:25.000 Like active Freemasons.

00:16:26.000 Shaquille O'Neal is an active Freemason.

00:16:28.000 So why is he pledging allegiance to Israel?

00:16:30.000 It's because they have the same Messiah.

00:16:32.000 The Freemasons are Satan worshipers.

00:16:34.000 They worship Lucifer.

00:16:35.000 But.

00:16:36.000 Coincidentally.

00:16:37.000 They have the same.

00:16:39.000 Prophet.

00:16:40.000 As.

00:16:41.000 The Zionists.

00:16:42.000 As the Jews.

00:16:43.000 As Israel.

00:16:44.000 At Israel tweets.

00:16:45.000 Thank you Shaq.

00:16:46.000 For sharing this message.

00:16:47.000 With young Israeli victims of October 7th.

00:16:48.000 Who will be spending time at Camp Timberlane.

00:16:50.000 You are a true mensch.

00:16:52.000 Jews.

00:16:53.000 What is mensch?

00:16:54.000 What does mensch mean?

00:16:56.000 Camp Timberlane.

00:16:57.000 Hello.

00:16:58.000 Shalom.

00:16:59.000 This is Shaquille O'Neal.

00:17:00.000 Shalom.

00:17:01.000 I just want to give you guys a shout out.

00:17:02.000 Let you know I love you.

00:17:03.000 So look at what happens man.

00:17:04.000 No matter how much money.

00:17:05.000 That a black celebrity will get.

00:17:07.000 They still.

00:17:08.000 This is modern day slavery.

00:17:10.000 This is modern day slavery.

00:17:11.000 They could still be slaves.

00:17:12.000 And I even ratioed Israel with this one.

00:17:14.000 Just calling it modern day slavery.

00:17:15.000 Some people think that's racist to call it.

00:17:17.000 But let's be real.

00:17:18.000 They are owned.

00:17:19.000 Even though the slaves were freed back in 1860 something.

00:17:21.000 They're still slaves.

00:17:23.000 I love you.

00:17:24.000 I'm a mensch.

00:17:25.000 I love you.

00:17:26.000 To all the amazing children from the one family.

00:17:29.000 I know you came from far and far away.

00:17:31.000 What one family?

00:17:32.000 Hope you're having a good time.

00:17:33.000 We love you so very much.

00:17:35.000 Thank you for coming.

00:17:36.000 And we'll talk to you soon.

00:17:38.000 Alright.

00:17:39.000 Shalom.

00:17:40.000 Barak Hashim.

00:17:41.000 Leshala Tova.

00:17:42.000 Shabbat Shalom.

00:17:43.000 How the fuck you speak Hebrew like that Shaq?

00:17:45.000 Who taught you that?

00:17:47.000 What did they get you on camera doing?

00:17:49.000 It's either they gave him a Fashion Nova deal.

00:17:51.000 Cause this is like a brand deal.

00:17:52.000 This sounds like he's promoting some like.

00:17:54.000 Some underwear with PSD on it.

00:17:55.000 And what's funny is you're going to see Shaq now.

00:17:57.000 You're going to see him with all the streamers.

00:17:58.000 You're going to see him at the next power slap.

00:18:00.000 You're going to see him at.

00:18:01.000 In the bleachers with everybody else.

00:18:03.000 At those things.

00:18:04.000 Uh.

00:18:05.000 What was that last event called?

00:18:06.000 The players game or whatever.

00:18:08.000 You're going to see him at the celebrity circuit with all the streamers.

00:18:11.000 Soon.

00:18:12.000 Alright.

00:18:13.000 Shalom.

00:18:14.000 Barak Hashim.

00:18:15.000 Leshala Tova.

00:18:16.000 What the fuck is that man?

00:18:17.000 Did he cast a spell?

00:18:19.000 Shaquille O'Neal.

00:18:20.000 A'uzebel Adam and the Shaitan regime.

00:18:23.000 Shabbat Shalom.

00:18:24.000 Shabbat Shalom.

00:18:26.000 Shalom.

00:18:28.000 You are a true mensch.

00:18:29.000 Someone.

00:18:30.000 Okay.

00:18:31.000 What does mensch mean?

00:18:32.000 I really don't even know.

00:18:33.000 Let's see.

00:18:36.000 Mensch.

00:18:37.000 Definition.

00:18:38.000 Oh it's Yiddish?

00:18:40.000 I'm mentioning Yiddish as a person of integrity.

00:18:44.000 Morality.

00:18:45.000 Dignity.

00:18:46.000 With a sense of what is right and responsible.

00:18:48.000 So.

00:18:49.000 Israel's calling Shaq a good goy.

00:18:51.000 You're a good goy Shaq.

00:18:52.000 Put on that Freemason ring.

00:18:54.000 And even though you have a billion dollars.

00:18:56.000 You are still owned.

00:18:57.000 You're a slave.

00:18:59.000 It's funny.

00:19:01.000 You see these guys walk around like LeBron and Shaq.

00:19:03.000 They're like 6'8", 6'11".

00:19:05.000 What is he?

00:19:06.000 And then you get like a little like a 5'3 rabbi.

00:19:10.000 With a posture like Neon.

00:19:12.000 I'm joking.

00:19:13.000 Like this.

00:19:14.000 All hunched over.

00:19:15.000 And they own you.

00:19:17.000 And they own you.

00:19:18.000 Alright.

00:19:19.000 Shut up.

00:19:20.000 Spam good goy for Shaq.

00:19:21.000 Shaq you're a good goy.

00:19:22.000 Good goy.

00:19:23.000 Pat him on the head.

00:19:24.000 Reach up all the way here.

00:19:25.000 Pat him on the head.

00:19:26.000 Good goy.

00:19:27.000 Good goy.

00:19:28.000 Who else did it?

00:19:31.000 There was a very big campaign for these people.

00:19:36.000 American rapper Kodak Black.

00:19:38.000 Israel is the chosen land like Haiti.

00:19:41.000 Free the hostages.

00:19:42.000 I'm Yisrael high.

00:19:44.000 Good goy.

00:19:45.000 Good goy.

00:19:46.000 Good goy.

00:19:47.000 Kodak.

00:19:48.000 Israel is the chosen land like Haiti.

00:19:51.000 So what does that mean?

00:19:52.000 Haiti, Israel.

00:19:53.000 Haiti, Israel.

00:19:54.000 Israel.

00:19:55.000 Bro.

00:19:56.000 Niggas in Haiti don't even know what Israel is.

00:20:00.000 Number one.

00:20:01.000 Number two.

00:20:02.000 What is Haiti chosen for?

00:20:06.000 Being the poorest country in the world.

00:20:10.000 Having earthquakes strike Haiti because they're practicing voodoo.

00:20:13.000 But it doesn't touch the DR because they're not practicing the same amount of voodoo.

00:20:18.000 What are they chosen for?

00:20:19.000 Having the president assassinated because people are running into his home.

00:20:23.000 Haiti isn't.

00:20:24.000 Bro.

00:20:25.000 I'm.

00:20:26.000 I'm Zol.

00:20:27.000 I'm Haitian.

00:20:28.000 Haiti's the shithole.

00:20:29.000 Trump was right.

00:20:30.000 It is.

00:20:31.000 It's all.

00:20:32.000 People are getting evacuated.

00:20:33.000 People need to take helicopter.

00:20:34.000 When someone gets sick, they need to go to Miami.

00:20:37.000 What is Haiti chosen for?

00:20:41.000 Because there's a lot of Satanism that happens there.

00:20:44.000 You could ask Arab with the stuff that he's seen.

00:20:47.000 You can get into detail about that.

00:20:48.000 But they actually practice voodoo and voodoo is Satanism.

00:20:51.000 The gang leaders that are in Haiti, they literally sell their souls just like Shaq, just like LeBron, just like Kodak.

00:20:58.000 They trade their souls for immortality.

00:21:02.000 To have more in this life.

00:21:04.000 That's what Satanists choose.

00:21:05.000 They choose this life over the next.

00:21:07.000 And that's why they're so afraid of death.

00:21:09.000 Why the Palestinians have so much strength.

00:21:11.000 Because when you're a Muslim, when you're God-fearing, death is something that you celebrate.

00:21:18.000 It's something that we're not afraid of.

00:21:20.000 You're not afraid of anything when we know that everything is predetermined by God.

00:21:24.000 And if we die as a martyr, if we die in Jihad, we go straight to paradise.

00:21:29.000 We're looking forward to it.

00:21:30.000 To live life properly.

00:21:32.000 Did they teach him Hebrew too?

00:21:35.000 He's like, he's perked out.

00:21:47.000 They gave him, they sprayed the, sprayed the nitrous in his face and then got him to.

00:21:51.000 He was the star of David Ring for Kodak, black star David.

00:21:54.000 And it just like perfect timing and shit.

00:21:57.000 Perfect timing cause, unfortunately, you know what I'm saying?

00:22:02.000 We're dealing with, you know, this tragedy over there in Israel.

00:22:06.000 Bro, Kodak can't even speak properly.

00:22:08.000 Like he's mumbling over every word.

00:22:10.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:22:11.000 We're dealing with, you know, this tragedy.

00:22:13.000 You know, this tragedy shit.

00:22:15.000 Over there in Israel.

00:22:16.000 I'm going to say like, you know, like shit, you know, my heart go out.

00:22:20.000 You know this shit, my heart go out and shit.

00:22:22.000 To the fucking Chinese type shit, okay.

00:22:24.000 Good boy.

00:22:25.000 Good boy.

00:22:26.000 Israel, I'm going to say like, you know, like shit.

00:22:28.000 You know my heart.

00:22:29.000 You know, like shit.

00:22:30.000 They could have do take two.

00:22:32.000 Or take three.

00:22:33.000 He could have put on a shirt before doing his Israel brand deal.

00:22:36.000 Go out to them.

00:22:37.000 My heart go out to all the Haitians and shit.

00:22:39.000 Too.

00:22:40.000 You know, Haiti and Dementia and all that good shit.

00:22:43.000 What's going in?

00:22:44.000 You know, Israel the chosen land just like Haiti.

00:22:47.000 What?

00:22:48.000 What does that even mean?

00:22:51.000 And all that's why when you say like, man shit, my word mean anything.

00:22:55.000 My word shit, my shit.

00:22:57.000 And all that's why when you say like, man shit, my word.

00:23:00.000 Man shit, my word to Papa the Perk and shit.

00:23:03.000 I want all the hostages free.

00:23:05.000 You know, free all the hostages.

00:23:06.000 I'm the Israel hype.

00:23:08.000 And all that good shit, you know, Bill Israel and shit.

00:23:12.000 And my daddy named David.

00:23:13.000 I'm the star of David.

00:23:14.000 So, I love that shit.

00:23:15.000 My daddy named David.

00:23:16.000 So, I got the star of David and shit.

00:23:19.000 I know somebody.

00:23:20.000 I got a white boy in there and David.

00:23:22.000 So, I got the star of David and shit.

00:23:25.000 So, free the hostages type shit.

00:23:27.000 I appreciate you, nigga.

00:23:28.000 Love all my Hebrew home, girl.

00:23:29.000 All the Hebrew homies.

00:23:30.000 All the Hebrew homies.

00:23:31.000 All the Hebrew homies.

00:23:32.000 All the Hebrews and Shebrews and shit.

00:23:34.000 Shout out to all the Hebrews and all my female Shebrews and shit.

00:23:40.000 Oh, yeah.

00:23:41.000 If I say free the hostages, can I get a pack of backwoods and a eighth and shit?

00:23:58.000 Shit.

00:23:59.000 Oh, King David.

00:24:01.000 I know somebody named King David.

00:24:03.000 So, my whole boy, he got the Hebrew free the hostages.

00:24:09.000 Man, I'm trying to get a bar mitzvah up in this bitch.

00:24:14.000 The nigga shit.

00:24:15.000 I want to go spend a drain to eat a bagel and shit.

00:24:18.000 All the Hebrew homies.

00:24:20.000 All the Hebrew homies.

00:24:21.000 All the Hebrew homies.

00:24:22.000 Yeah, I'm traveling.

00:24:23.000 I was over here.

00:24:24.000 I'm traveling.

00:24:25.000 All that good shit.

00:24:26.000 Yes, sir.

00:24:27.000 Champagne?

00:24:28.000 NYC Luxury.

00:24:30.000 Yes, sir.

00:24:31.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:32.000 Beautiful star of David Ring for Kodak.

00:24:34.000 Yeah.

00:24:35.000 They just like dangled some jewelry in front of him.

00:24:38.000 And then now he's like, now he's a Zionist because they gave him a little bit.

00:24:42.000 They gave him like what?

00:24:43.000 A 10K ring?

00:24:44.000 Oh, yeah.

00:24:45.000 This shit shiny.

00:24:46.000 This shit shiny.

00:24:48.000 That's how easy it is to buy someone out and buy a slave.

00:24:54.000 That easy.

00:24:58.000 But they don't even like they're pledging allegiance to these people.

00:25:01.000 Look at what the Talmud says about blacks.

00:25:04.000 Chief Rabbi calls black people monkeys.

00:25:06.000 This is the times of Israel.

00:25:07.000 W.

00:25:08.000 W.

00:25:09.000 W.

00:25:10.000 W.

00:25:11.000 W.

00:25:12.000 Rabbi?

00:25:13.000 And yeah.

00:25:14.000 Trump partnered him.

00:25:16.000 God damn shame.

00:25:17.000 Shit.

00:25:18.000 So I tweeted this and people got mad.

00:25:20.000 But I think this is AI.

00:25:22.000 I think this is from Elon Musk AI.

00:25:24.000 I think this is really funny.

00:25:27.000 You got to start naming around the neck of shit.

00:25:30.000 Cause this is what this is like the Kodak video and the Shaq video is exactly this picture

00:25:36.000 right here.

00:25:37.000 Yeah.

00:25:42.000 They just see them.

00:25:43.000 They see black celebrities as tools to go and promote what they want to promote.

00:25:48.000 To commit genocide and get away with it.

00:25:50.000 They know that they can get to.

00:25:51.000 They can't communicate with black people in America.

00:25:53.000 So they just get a celebrity.

00:25:54.000 Give them a little ring.

00:25:55.000 And then they own them.

00:25:56.000 And then they spread whatever agenda they want.

00:25:58.000 It's that easy.

00:26:00.000 It's really that easy.

00:26:02.000 Fried chicken is shit.

00:26:03.000 People get mad about it.

00:26:07.000 They say it's racist and stuff.

00:26:08.000 But yeah.

00:26:11.000 The racism thing.

00:26:12.000 I'm really tired of it.

00:26:13.000 Who cares.

00:26:15.000 This is my role model.

00:26:17.000 You heard me yap about Malcolm X before.

00:26:19.000 But think about this.

00:26:20.000 Why did they kill Malcolm X and sell Sexy Red?

00:26:24.000 Why did they kill Malcolm X and promote Shaq and Kodak and all these slaves?

00:26:29.000 Because he was an actual role model for a black man in America.

00:26:32.000 It was back in the 60s too.

00:26:33.000 Before rap music.

00:26:34.000 He was a prime example of what a black man should be in America.

00:26:37.000 And this is why I always looked up to him when I was younger.

00:26:39.000 Because he didn't have to be a thug rapper to gain respect.

00:26:43.000 You didn't have to do that.

00:26:45.000 Think about this.

00:26:46.000 You could put on your glasses.

00:26:47.000 You could become a good Muslim.

00:26:49.000 He read the whole dictionary when he was in jail.

00:26:52.000 He became really good linguistically.

00:26:55.000 He understood geopolitics.

00:26:57.000 He understood his religion.

00:26:58.000 He left all of his former life behind and he reverted to Islam.

00:27:01.000 And he became a good member of society.

00:27:03.000 And he was able to debate.

00:27:04.000 Just like the debate we're having later.

00:27:06.000 He was able to debate with some of the biggest intellectuals in the country.

00:27:10.000 He was on big talk shows.

00:27:12.000 He was giving speeches all over the nation.

00:27:14.000 And so the CIA killed him.

00:27:15.000 There's even stories that he said when he was writing in letters back to the nation of Islam.

00:27:19.000 Before he reverted to Islam.

00:27:20.000 Where he was writing to the nation and saying that he could see the CIA follow him around.

00:27:24.000 When he was going to Egypt.

00:27:25.000 When he was going to Mecca.

00:27:26.000 And they were trying to poison him.

00:27:27.000 And one time he even ate the food that they poisoned.

00:27:30.000 But it didn't kill him.

00:27:31.000 Eventually they just assassinated him in New York I think.

00:27:34.000 In 68.

00:27:36.000 But this is what we should.

00:27:38.000 Anybody that's going to call me racist for saying this.

00:27:40.000 This is what black people should aspire to be like.

00:27:43.000 Malcolm X.

00:27:44.000 And that's why they killed him.

00:27:45.000 Any good example.

00:27:46.000 They end up trying to fill him up with nitrous.

00:27:49.000 And program him to spread more degeneracy.

00:27:52.000 Or they spread pedophile allegations like Malcolm X.

00:27:55.000 I mean not like Michael Jackson.

00:27:57.000 Michael Jackson.

00:28:00.000 Every accusation is a confession.

00:28:01.000 Michael Jackson like he was not ever accused of anything.

00:28:04.000 From any like of the victims that they lied about.

00:28:07.000 They just made documentaries.

00:28:08.000 They used the Hollywood machine.

00:28:10.000 To make him seem like a pedophile.

00:28:11.000 When in reality.

00:28:12.000 What was he saying?

00:28:13.000 Like he was preaching love.

00:28:14.000 He was making good music.

00:28:15.000 He was trying to wake people up.

00:28:17.000 All I want to say is that.

00:28:18.000 They don't really care about us.

00:28:20.000 Jew me.

00:28:21.000 Kike me.

00:28:22.000 Everybody type me.

00:28:24.000 Can I have the nitrous today?

00:28:25.000 And so when they see people like that.

00:28:27.000 They just try to fill them up with nitrous.

00:28:28.000 Try to drug them up.

00:28:29.000 Give them a Percocet like Kodak.

00:28:30.000 Like oh shit.

00:28:31.000 I got the Star David shit.

00:28:33.000 Or they get Shaquille O'Neal fucking a kid on camera.

00:28:35.000 So now he's owned forever.

00:28:36.000 He does the talk shows.

00:28:37.000 He does the talk shows.

00:28:38.000 And he gets fame.

00:28:39.000 He gets notoriety.

00:28:40.000 But he's still a slave.

00:28:41.000 And he has to promote what they tell him to.

00:28:43.000 They own him.

00:28:44.000 He gets good lifestyle.

00:28:45.000 He can go fuck the Hawk Tool girl.

00:28:47.000 He can go and do the celebrity circuit.

00:28:49.000 He can go be paraded around.

00:28:50.000 But he's still a slave.

00:28:52.000 And so I think black America should look at Malcolm X.

00:28:56.000 And everybody in black America respects Malcolm X.

00:28:59.000 Everybody does.

00:29:00.000 And I do because his anger and his aggression, his violent attitude was justified.

00:29:09.000 The KKK burned down his house.

00:29:10.000 They killed his father.

00:29:11.000 And you can understand where that anger came from.

00:29:13.000 But he was finally able to relinquish that and then spread a message of love speech.

00:29:17.000 And find Islam.

00:29:20.000 And leave all the false idols behind.

00:29:22.000 He didn't worship Elijah Muhammad anymore.

00:29:24.000 There was no shirk.

00:29:25.000 And he died as a good Muslim.

00:29:27.000 And Meryl will award him for that.

00:29:29.000 Malcolm X is what we should aspire to be.

00:29:31.000 Don't listen to any of these other celebrities.

00:29:33.000 You're going to see them more.

00:29:34.000 You're going to see more and more.

00:29:35.000 There was very clearly an ad campaign.

00:29:37.000 Kodak Black's the first one.

00:29:38.000 Then Shaq.

00:29:39.000 Who's going to be the next one?

00:29:40.000 Who's going to be the next good boy?

00:29:42.000 I have no idea.

00:29:43.000 Who are they going to get next?

00:29:45.000 I'm glad that we saw Speed stand up against that.

00:29:48.000 I'm glad we saw him reject Zionism.

00:29:51.000 But who else?

00:29:52.000 Because more is going to roll out.

00:29:55.000 Who's the most owned one?

00:29:56.000 But I mean.

00:29:57.000 Look.

00:29:58.000 Shaquille O'Neal for example.

00:29:59.000 Like he's openly a Freemason.

00:30:01.000 So that was just.

00:30:02.000 We should have seen it coming a mile away.

00:30:04.000 You?

00:30:05.000 What the fuck are you talking about?

00:30:06.000 What do you mean you?

00:30:07.000 What do you mean you?

00:30:09.000 What do you mean you?

00:30:19.000 I think.

00:30:20.000 What I can predict is.

00:30:21.000 They're going to keep infiltrating the streaming world.

00:30:23.000 And I like that.

00:30:24.000 Because we always yap about this.

00:30:25.000 Even Kenel Joseph.

00:30:26.000 Who is a funny guy.

00:30:28.000 He saw this.

00:30:29.000 Like something.

00:30:30.000 Some gay shit at the streamer things.

00:30:31.000 I didn't watch this video yet.

00:30:32.000 And he's like.

00:30:33.000 Incoming Sneeko rant.

00:30:34.000 People know that when they see some.

00:30:35.000 Some Zionist bullshit.

00:30:36.000 That when they see the satanic agenda being promoted through celebrities.

00:30:39.000 They know I'm about to go yell about it.

00:30:40.000 Let's see.

00:30:41.000 What happened to the streamers games or whatever.

00:30:43.000 Respectful rubback.

00:30:44.000 Yeah.

00:30:45.000 Oh the kiss.

00:30:46.000 Gotta walk you back to that again.

00:30:47.000 Yeah.

00:30:48.000 Yeah.

00:30:49.000 Oh here we go.

00:30:50.000 Alright.

00:30:51.000 Um.

00:30:52.000 Yeah.

00:30:53.000 That was the highlights.

00:30:54.000 Why is he cringing at himself.

00:30:55.000 What do you.

00:30:56.000 You did it.

00:30:57.000 You saw the camera there.

00:30:58.000 Why are you now cringing at what you just did.

00:30:59.000 It was the highlights.

00:31:00.000 Wow.

00:31:01.000 What do we just see.

00:31:02.000 Alright.

00:31:03.000 Respectful rubback.

00:31:04.000 Yeah.

00:31:05.000 Yeah.

00:31:06.000 But again.

00:31:07.000 These are the people that get promoted on the algorithm.

00:31:08.000 These are the people that get.

00:31:09.000 These are the people that get rewarded.

00:31:13.000 These people that get, you know, backstage

00:31:36.000 twice what the fuck does this have to do with basketball can you just hoop you're not even good

00:31:41.280 well why why why what does this have to do with sports the olympics wasn't enough you need to do

00:31:49.360 that giant satanic ritual at the beginning of the olympics anytime you watch the grammys you need to

00:31:54.320 get sam smith's fat ass twerking you need to see doja cat with uh tattoos all over when you watch

00:31:59.760 the grammys or the oscars everything can we just have some entertainment without this bullshit

00:32:05.660 being shoved down our throats do you always have to normalize the satanic we can't just

00:32:11.900 niggas can't hoop you can't hoop without getting poop on your dick you need poopy dick to hoop poopy dick

00:32:20.260 this is their religion

00:32:25.820 um but hey this is this is how we know love speech is doing well because we're getting the reputation

00:32:34.360 for for the ones calling this out

00:32:36.680 very glad

00:32:39.420 but just don't sell your soul don't sell your soul i don't know how successful you guys are

00:32:45.740 in life if you are or if you want to become streamers or any of this stuff and if i die

00:32:51.100 something happens to me if anything happens just remember that you don't need to sell your soul

00:32:55.120 don't give it up it's not worth it there's nothing in this life that you could trade that's worth

00:32:59.860 selling your soul nothing what do they offer you they offer you epstein's island you can fuck some

00:33:03.860 kids they offer you fame whatever you get paraded around and you got to shake hands with other rappers

00:33:08.660 who are on drugs whoo what do you get you got to go to big parties with diddy what can what do you

00:33:16.080 get by selling your soul you get to sit next to the hawk tool girl at a fight that's what you get

00:33:22.940 you get to get a couple more clout points so that you can run pull your audience and promote a pump

00:33:29.000 and dump what do you get there's nothing that's worth it and i was even talking to my clippers

00:33:35.200 group chat earlier you guys know who you are and there were everyone's starting to put the steak

00:33:39.180 logo and even it's funny this might get clipped and they're gonna put the giant steak all right over

00:33:43.020 here like over my face steak and i saw how much they're getting they're getting like a couple hundred

00:33:47.420 dollars it's like a couple hundred dollars for this stuff and they're asking me like how much did you

00:33:51.560 reject and once again i said 50 to 20 million but the amount of money doesn't matter guys like

00:33:56.740 xqc will keep saying there's no way it was that much it doesn't matter first off it was that's

00:34:00.900 what i was offered second it's the rejection of it you don't need to do it because having that

00:34:07.200 respect for yourself and knowing you're doing the right thing that's that's invaluable

00:34:10.340 so don't sell your soul you're always going to regret it and if i die just remember that it's not

00:34:17.220 worth it it's not worth it and for the clippers man stop stop with the giants what are you

00:34:21.420 getting like 300 more dollars what are you going to spend that on what are you going to spend that

00:34:25.740 on man tell me

00:34:28.600 i'm not quitting but yeah the europe trip is going to keep on going uh i want to i want to keep going

00:34:37.980 and um i got a word from orlando king that i can go to afghanistan in two weeks and the downside is

00:34:45.380 that i might get searched at the airport again it is what it is i already get searched everywhere

00:34:49.140 and it's funny when you see the liberals they always say like uh because i talk about how

00:34:53.260 important it is that people get married young to stay away from degeneracy they're like someone

00:34:56.800 needs to search snego's devices why because i think that people should have consensual marriage

00:35:01.100 right it's better for an 18 year old to get into consensual marriage rather than get fucked

00:35:05.600 and take drugs all through college someone searches devices the feds search my devices every time i go to

00:35:11.680 the airport all my phones all my like if i had anything i'd be in jail the feds have everything if you've

00:35:17.140 texted me if you send me a picture everything it's out there the feds got it so if i go to

00:35:22.020 afghanistan they're gonna go and search me again when i get back but it is what they already do

00:35:26.220 and what would be fun what would make the stream good is if i get to meet the taliban

00:35:33.120 but we'll see what happens i just want to make sure that i don't get go to go on tonal bay or anything

00:35:37.080 do it the right way but i want to keep on uh exploring this part of the world i've loved this trip so far

00:35:41.580 um there's a lot of my favorite countries i don't really want to say maybe chat knows but

00:35:46.380 i just kind of don't want you guys to come so i'm not going to talk about it too much

00:35:50.320 i'm not going to talk about it too much um w afghanistan yes sir

00:35:55.840 you know the debate's in um the debate's in less than an hour it's not it's not in four hours

00:36:00.880 yeah albania has been great i loved albania so far but um yeah there's no point i don't uh feel

00:36:08.000 like going to kosovo it's been too difficult um uh trying to travel zarka he's like really impulsive

00:36:13.460 and it's like we did a lot of driving already i drove 10 hours from bosnia to albania to get to

00:36:18.060 toronto the capital and then he's like let's go to the south okay another four hours and then we're

00:36:22.120 here let's go to kosovo bro i've been here for four hours you want me to go to kosovo again i'm

00:36:26.180 tired of like jumping around um they can't stick to plans so i'm gonna go to london and i'm meeting

00:36:30.940 up with muhammad ajab inshallah ali dawa aki amen these people and then i want to do uh

00:36:37.120 i want to do another trip before then maybe maybe i could hop by and stop by kosovo and

00:36:42.740 meet up with zarka um but i want to keep this traveling going i love being on the side of the

00:36:47.160 world and one of my favorite things about the iwell streams even though the one from yesterday

00:36:49.880 wasn't the best of all time um it's just i like showing that you know this message is widely

00:36:57.340 accepted in this part of the world all over europe no haters all over the middle east no haters all

00:37:02.080 love and then people on tiktok and twitter they insist like that i'm a terrible person that

00:37:07.060 you know i'm hated all this stuff and there's just none outside and i have no security everywhere

00:37:11.040 i go allah's protecting me but not only that everybody around me they show love and i i love

00:37:16.700 to you know to poke and prod at the people that insist that i that i have haters because i don't

00:37:21.880 where are they they're not they're not here i mean even in new york when i did the one minute

00:37:25.420 podcast they never show up the only thing they do is they take a sneaky picture or you know a jew

00:37:29.860 sits down he's like you're trying to kill me i'm trying to kill you what are you talking about

00:37:33.180 what are you talking about there's none they do not exist all right come to italy uh we'll see

00:37:39.680 qatar yeah qatar could be good yeah i just want to keep this run i just want to keep this run going

00:37:45.340 um i'm enjoying this it is very expensive and i know i'm doing a lot of the hotel streams but

00:37:48.920 at the same time i'm almost done on the the documentary letter from bosnia is going to be

00:37:53.640 dropping very soon i spent all day long editing that i woke up early today got a lot of editing done

00:37:57.860 and do you guys want a sneak peek type of one if you want a sneak peek of it or

00:38:01.000 type of two if i should just release it when it's ready but i finished the intro today

00:38:04.460 there's a lot more that that needs to get done again shout out to jesus father you guys are going

00:38:08.880 to love this documentary when it comes out it's uh it's some of my best work but i just want to

00:38:14.280 make sure it's perfect and i'm trying to get a translator to get it in bosnia you guys want

00:38:19.020 to see a little bit of it okay you know what i'll play the intro but nobody clip it clippers don't

00:38:23.840 don't clip it because i don't want it to go around twitter but i'll show you guys for the live right now

00:38:26.900 okay everyone's family one so fuck it i'll show you guys

00:38:29.360 what here we go

00:38:34.780 let's show you the intro

00:38:38.780 well how long is it it's probably gonna be over an hour i'm not gonna lie i wanted to cut down on

00:38:52.840 but there's a lot that i want to keep all right just the intro nobody clipped this bro nobody clipped

00:38:55.680 this one two three

00:38:59.220 welcome to bazia this country is a story of genocide survival recovery and most importantly god

00:39:19.380 i spent over a week here interviewing war heroes widows grandmothers and saw some of the best

00:39:24.300 hospitality i've seen across the world the story of this country is almost parallel to what's

00:39:29.060 happening in israel and palestine right now and america and the rest of the world needs to know

00:39:32.820 about it i hope you enjoy this documentary about bazia

00:39:35.560 whoo bro my editing my editing is top notch i ain't gonna lie to you bro

00:39:42.620 yeah just the intro but after that um it's there's a lot of investigative journalism and my goal for

00:39:48.880 this one i want bosnian kids to be shown this video in classrooms because i think it does a really good

00:39:54.420 job of covering the war um what do you guys think wow lots of w's

00:40:01.380 cool

00:40:04.040 no it's gonna be huge i i um i don't know i don't want to hype it up too much but um my editor

00:40:12.620 de brance is really excited about it too um warner's excited about it way he's excited about it i i'm and

00:40:18.020 what i want to keep doing another reason why i want to keep traveling is i want to keep doing these

00:40:22.280 documentaries in different places right i got to realize like i'm not a

00:40:25.880 oh yeah we're in w bosnia like that i can't you know i'm i'm pushing 50 so this is my strong suit

00:40:33.760 this is what i'm good at and you know even though i don't make any money doing this like i'm not

00:40:38.060 gonna make any money from this documentary i i spent a lot of money on it but what am i gonna do

00:40:42.040 post it on on x post it on rumble i'm gonna post it on rumble and it people are gonna see it's

00:40:47.020 gonna get shared it's gonna be remembered you know it's good for my legacy but for my pockets

00:40:51.280 there's nothing but that's that's what is that's better like i get more satisfaction from that

00:40:56.960 i take more pride in that i respect my work more doing this stuff you know getting to uncover the

00:41:04.640 truth about you know history getting to interview people investigative journalism this stuff like

00:41:10.040 making cinematics that's the stuff that i take pride in um and that's that's better that currency

00:41:15.260 is way more valuable than making you know i make multi millions from streaming but when i put out a

00:41:20.700 video that i'm really proud of some alhamdulillah so much better so much better legacy over money

00:41:28.400 any day any day

00:41:30.300 check clips yeah we gotta get to all right let me look through these clips um

00:41:37.180 uh there's one uh from yesterday did you guys what did you guys think of the stream yesterday

00:41:45.080 don't don't glaze just be honest would you that would you guys think of the stream yesterday

00:41:48.540 um this the best clip was like in the intro that was just random it was it was this moment

00:41:54.740 over here you know why because like um what makes streaming really good is just girl content it is what

00:42:01.320 it is like especially irl streams you need to have a storyline with a girl and i was just doing the

00:42:05.240 intro and this italian chick what's your name julia julia sneaker nice to meet you i'll take a photo

00:42:10.080 mid this is what niggas want to see on irl street where are you from from sicily some girl you know

00:42:19.940 airheaded doesn't speak a word doesn't speak a lick of english and i'm just next to her on camera

00:42:24.220 and niggas just want to jerk niggas just want to goon an edge and watch me flirt with the chick

00:42:28.140 italian oh okay prego

00:42:30.800 ah ma con te

00:42:32.640 ah ma con te

00:42:34.100 okay

00:42:35.180 hey i don't even know like i was just

00:42:42.080 yeah but that'd be uh man she is

00:42:45.940 ma chi sei come ti chiami what's her name

00:42:48.160 sneaker

00:42:48.660 sneaker

00:42:50.540 che cosa god bless you

00:42:52.900 what are you doing i'm here visiting what are you doing here vacation holiday

00:42:58.740 can you take the photo of you to me yes to me oh man just like just look at these girls just walking

00:43:11.480 around here staged bro what are you okay i don't know why would it be if it was staged then she would

00:43:17.840 have been here the whole stream she would have been there the whole time man

00:43:21.680 come on bro god bless europe god bless you all right let's go these clips

00:43:28.280 but yeah um you guys gonna like the rest of zyra run

00:43:37.680 um

00:43:38.880 all right let's see

00:43:41.220 i haven't looked at clips in a minute

00:43:43.960 and by the way we got the debate in um less than 30 minutes like around 30 minutes chat relax okay

00:43:48.520 ask his thoughts on do you know who sneaker is

00:43:53.320 you do

00:43:54.560 what do you mean you do

00:43:56.120 i was watching before he was out here

00:43:58.920 oh

00:44:00.300 what's that supposed to be

00:44:02.400 wait did demi's brother say she misses the

00:44:04.000 he said he missed the old sneaker

00:44:05.920 nah i'm just talking about when he was younger

00:44:10.540 in his room

00:44:11.260 doing his videos

00:44:12.680 i'm still doing the same thing same mic same camera same laptop

00:44:17.960 i'm just older putting in a hotel room instead of my mom's house

00:44:22.360 ain't the same

00:44:24.040 i mean i don't know

00:44:25.580 does he he don't hit the same

00:44:26.920 no

00:44:28.140 damn

00:44:29.780 i just don't want

00:44:32.700 someone said haha w brother

00:44:36.980 all right well

00:44:40.040 it's funny on this trip too

00:44:42.060 i've met so many people's family

00:44:43.640 demi's brother says he misses the old sneaker

00:44:46.360 he's a fucking

00:44:46.980 well i mean that's kind of cool you know

00:44:50.180 that people still remember that stuff

00:44:51.420 because i mean those videos that i put in back in the day

00:44:53.400 that's what i was making for legacy

00:44:54.560 i wasn't making any money doing that

00:44:55.820 i was just making those videos strictly for uh for legacy and to impact people but on the trip

00:45:01.100 so far i met zerka's parents i met arab's fit parents i met cheezer's whole family his grandma

00:45:06.620 his mom his dad his uncle i met um celine's cousin i've met i met so many people that strip so far

00:45:15.580 so basically i'm a family guy

00:45:19.140 i'm a family guy

00:45:20.920 all right

00:45:21.240 i'm a

00:45:22.540 oh look

00:45:23.700 yes he's doing fine

00:45:25.120 we were able to clear the stomach obstruction

00:45:27.140 turns out it was a used diaper

00:45:29.140 eww

00:45:30.080 oh yes

00:45:32.080 get off my back i thought it was indian food

00:45:34.760 hey

00:45:35.320 what the

00:45:36.540 w indian

00:45:39.180 guys you see the uh

00:45:40.240 indian won like two medals

00:45:41.640 what do they have a population of one billion

00:45:43.460 and what do they even win in the olympics

00:45:46.220 they should be dominating everything

00:45:47.660 leafy

00:45:48.780 where's leafy been

00:45:57.640 i've missed leafy

00:45:59.440 so many of the chat

00:46:01.160 think about the

00:46:01.800 think about this

00:46:02.360 think about the rumble streamers that came on this website

00:46:04.460 since we've been here love speech

00:46:06.520 leafy

00:46:08.240 gone

00:46:09.240 mizkiff gone

00:46:10.520 caisson gone

00:46:12.500 rice gum gone

00:46:13.340 jideon gone

00:46:14.140 steve gone

00:46:15.060 who else

00:46:17.420 bro so many

00:46:18.800 so many people

00:46:19.900 but we're still here

00:46:22.140 we're

00:46:23.080 who else

00:46:23.660 i miss leafy though

00:46:25.000 leafy come back

00:46:25.800 everybody that is named

00:46:26.860 rumble's the best

00:46:28.720 chris is doing good work

00:46:30.540 w rumble of course

00:46:31.660 i know

00:46:31.980 some of the vods have had some issues

00:46:33.580 but it's because we're streaming at 4k

00:46:34.980 and it's um

00:46:35.680 you know

00:46:36.360 you know

00:46:37.840 but

00:46:39.880 you're the only one left

00:46:43.100 6-9

00:46:43.800 academics

00:46:45.160 someone said

00:46:47.880 you got steven crowder

00:46:49.000 who's watched

00:46:50.120 steven crowder

00:46:50.920 i've seen

00:46:52.540 i've seen a couple steven crowder streams

00:46:53.900 i've seen a couple

00:46:55.240 but

00:46:55.840 i don't consider them streamers

00:46:57.240 if they have a podcast studio

00:46:58.420 i've been here since 2022

00:47:00.060 yeah i have been

00:47:00.880 yeah i have been

00:47:01.540 from the jump

00:47:02.380 speed and kai gone

00:47:04.540 fuck bro

00:47:05.880 that's a long list

00:47:07.480 that's a long list of people bro

00:47:10.840 who else

00:47:13.780 who else

00:47:16.000 i think that's it right

00:47:18.440 nick bro

00:47:24.940 nick state

00:47:25.440 he's all

00:47:25.880 and he didn't

00:47:27.440 he wasn't even here

00:47:28.020 when we started

00:47:28.500 new culture

00:47:29.560 new rules

00:47:30.100 family guy

00:47:30.560 will no longer make

00:47:31.360 gay jokes

00:47:31.780 that are deemed

00:47:32.220 as politically incorrect

00:47:33.120 after producers admit

00:47:34.000 that those lines

00:47:34.540 are unacceptable

00:47:35.220 for today's audience

00:47:36.260 this has got to be fake

00:47:38.600 tell me this is fake news

00:47:39.780 because this is what makes

00:47:40.420 family guy

00:47:40.840 family guy man

00:47:41.580 like they have characters

00:47:43.720 specifically just to make them

00:47:44.960 call them fags

00:47:46.340 and black

00:47:46.860 like all

00:47:48.100 they cover every stereotype

00:47:50.040 the dumb white guy

00:47:51.480 here

00:47:51.820 he's from long island

00:47:53.120 i'm from boston

00:47:54.500 a fat white guy

00:47:55.500 drunk guy

00:47:56.020 watching the patriots

00:47:56.800 that's peter

00:47:57.300 they got the fag

00:47:58.280 this dude

00:47:58.740 oh peter

00:47:59.600 they have um

00:48:01.480 the asian

00:48:02.500 no

00:48:02.860 is there an asian

00:48:04.060 yeah there is

00:48:04.720 they have a jew

00:48:05.600 more

00:48:05.960 oh my hands is cold

00:48:07.940 they have cleveland

00:48:09.260 who drinks grape juice

00:48:10.020 they touch every single category

00:48:11.400 there's no

00:48:12.440 i hope this is not true man

00:48:13.680 but set the father

00:48:15.380 must have left a long time ago

00:48:16.600 trump is not a zionist

00:48:19.400 he's just faking it

00:48:20.000 to get it to all of us

00:48:20.520 i don't know man

00:48:21.300 i don't know

00:48:21.880 did you see

00:48:22.300 oh actually i gotta play that video

00:48:23.540 of uh

00:48:24.920 i don't

00:48:26.460 well okay let's see this first

00:48:27.780 a tag would be on

00:48:29.000 a tag

00:48:29.840 photos

00:48:31.240 and shots

00:48:32.660 i mean

00:48:33.100 moving shots

00:48:34.140 of bombs

00:48:35.680 being dropped

00:48:37.100 into buildings

00:48:37.920 in gaza

00:48:38.580 and i said

00:48:40.360 oh that's a terrible

00:48:41.420 portrait

00:48:42.920 it's a very

00:48:43.660 you know

00:48:43.920 it's a very bad picture

00:48:44.920 for the world

00:48:45.440 the world is seeing this

00:48:46.500 yeah

00:48:46.720 well you guys could

00:48:47.440 you guys could judge it

00:48:48.300 for yourself

00:48:48.660 is he just faking it

00:48:49.480 to get into office

00:48:50.200 is he gonna pull jfk

00:48:51.820 because it seems

00:48:52.900 i don't know

00:48:53.720 this just um

00:48:55.400 when i saw

00:48:57.660 this

00:48:58.200 take a run

00:48:58.520 we will deport

00:49:03.340 the foreign jihad

00:49:04.400 sympathizers

00:49:05.600 and we will deport

00:49:06.420 them very quickly

00:49:07.200 and hamas

00:49:07.880 we will deport

00:49:09.200 the jihad

00:49:09.920 sympath

00:49:10.260 wait wait wait

00:49:10.820 deport the foreign

00:49:11.760 jihad

00:49:12.280 sympathizers

00:49:13.560 jihad we cooked

00:49:16.060 i love jihad

00:49:18.240 it doesn't really get

00:49:22.740 more black and white

00:49:23.480 than that

00:49:23.940 with the giant

00:49:24.980 israel flag

00:49:25.660 first off

00:49:26.440 first off

00:49:26.940 first off

00:49:27.320 for all the people

00:49:27.900 that are just

00:49:28.300 getting jq'd

00:49:29.060 i know we love

00:49:29.640 speech you guys

00:49:30.080 have heard it a

00:49:30.560 billion fucking times

00:49:31.480 but ryan garcia

00:49:32.200 is like

00:49:32.480 what's the town

00:49:33.760 moon

00:49:34.060 hey buddy

00:49:35.040 when you're

00:49:35.660 writing for the

00:49:36.240 president of the

00:49:36.920 united states

00:49:37.520 why the fuck

00:49:38.420 are half the

00:49:38.900 flags israeli

00:49:40.460 does anyone ever

00:49:41.060 question this

00:49:41.680 why is the star

00:49:42.440 of david

00:49:42.960 half the screen

00:49:44.260 for an american

00:49:45.540 president

00:49:45.900 this is the first

00:49:47.160 time you guys

00:49:47.720 saw this

00:49:48.240 imagine if he was

00:49:50.440 here with a giant

00:49:51.040 american flag and a

00:49:51.800 giant haiti flag

00:49:52.620 you're like what

00:49:53.200 what is he doing

00:49:54.400 or a chinese flag

00:49:55.780 is he chinese

00:49:56.880 people just

00:49:58.300 have associated

00:49:58.980 this with americans

00:50:00.020 so so much

00:50:01.260 that they they

00:50:02.340 don't even process

00:50:02.980 it being in there

00:50:03.660 but are we

00:50:05.440 cooked

00:50:05.980 president we

00:50:07.900 will deport the

00:50:08.760 foreign jihad

00:50:09.640 sympathizers and

00:50:11.060 we will deport

00:50:11.720 them very quickly

00:50:12.560 and he's gonna

00:50:13.460 deport us

00:50:14.180 he's gonna

00:50:15.540 deport us

00:50:16.320 mass supporters

00:50:17.980 bro trump

00:50:19.440 people that show

00:50:21.940 people that show

00:50:21.960 dual allegiance

00:50:22.680 that are running

00:50:23.300 for office

00:50:23.940 should be

00:50:24.260 deported

00:50:24.640 if anybody

00:50:25.680 in american

00:50:26.560 politics

00:50:27.180 has dual

00:50:28.080 allegiance to

00:50:28.660 israel

00:50:29.080 they are committing

00:50:30.120 treason and

00:50:30.860 they should be

00:50:31.460 deported

00:50:31.860 holding religious

00:50:33.520 beliefs and

00:50:34.220 believing in jihad

00:50:35.040 that does not

00:50:36.040 qualify getting

00:50:36.840 deported

00:50:37.260 what is he

00:50:38.000 talking about

00:50:38.960 deport like

00:50:40.920 where deport

00:50:41.460 where yeah

00:50:41.940 where am i

00:50:42.320 going

00:50:42.660 where am i

00:50:43.980 where would i

00:50:44.380 go i know

00:50:45.080 he said

00:50:45.320 foreign but

00:50:45.860 guys like us

00:50:46.920 love speech

00:50:47.600 who are

00:50:49.020 free palestine

00:50:50.040 where are we

00:50:51.720 going if we

00:50:52.220 get we'll be

00:50:52.980 gone

00:50:53.320 if you hate

00:50:57.600 america if you

00:50:59.280 want to eliminate

00:51:00.380 israel then we

00:51:02.260 don't want you

00:51:03.540 in our country we

00:51:04.360 really don't want

00:51:05.020 you in our country

00:51:05.720 what the fuck

00:51:06.740 bro are you

00:51:07.640 running for

00:51:08.000 president or for

00:51:08.780 israel or united

00:51:09.560 states what is he

00:51:11.300 talking about

00:51:11.860 i will ban

00:51:14.340 refugee settlements

00:51:15.460 from terror

00:51:16.340 infested areas

00:51:18.180 like the gaza

00:51:19.040 strip and we

00:51:20.260 will arrest the

00:51:21.000 pro-hamas thugs

00:51:22.040 who vandalize

00:51:23.100 federal property

00:51:23.940 and make really

00:51:24.740 life very very

00:51:25.620 difficult in this

00:51:26.520 country for a lot

00:51:27.360 of people

00:51:27.780 yeah the best

00:51:31.460 thing that trump

00:51:31.940 has going for him

00:51:32.640 is that he's not

00:51:33.120 a woman that's it

00:51:35.000 right now when you

00:51:36.280 think about think

00:51:37.080 about this what

00:51:38.340 are you really

00:51:39.740 impressed with

00:51:41.120 trump by open

00:51:43.260 invitation to

00:51:44.300 anybody if they

00:51:44.900 could tell me

00:51:45.260 why aiden asked

00:51:46.040 me like sneaker

00:51:46.580 can you debate

00:51:47.200 the democrat for

00:51:48.120 me and i thought

00:51:49.340 about it i'm like

00:51:49.820 what the why do

00:51:50.560 i like trump i

00:51:52.380 watch this with the

00:51:53.780 giant israeli flag

00:51:55.320 saying we're gonna

00:51:55.820 deport you if you're

00:51:56.800 muslim why do i

00:51:58.700 like trump he's not

00:52:00.280 a woman that's it

00:52:03.640 and he's racist

00:52:07.300 that's it he's funny

00:52:09.780 racist and he's not

00:52:11.740 even as funny as he

00:52:12.540 used to be he

00:52:14.200 doesn't got the

00:52:14.660 same you're fat

00:52:15.840 you're wrong you're

00:52:16.660 ugly stupid broke

00:52:18.400 poor lock her up

00:52:20.220 get her out she's

00:52:21.480 got small tits i don't

00:52:23.140 like them very bad

00:52:24.040 tits her nips

00:52:25.360 small her areolas

00:52:28.080 not for me not at

00:52:29.640 all

00:52:29.940 why do i like trump

00:52:33.960 chat you tell me

00:52:35.380 tell me and i know

00:52:38.200 rumble like rumble

00:52:39.380 loves trump and i do

00:52:40.800 love trump

00:52:41.300 but how what a fall

00:52:47.580 from grace after the

00:52:48.400 assassination attempt

00:52:49.360 he's not racist shut

00:52:50.740 the fuck up bro shut

00:52:51.980 up man this is a

00:52:53.620 stop you racist is not

00:52:54.600 a bad word anymore

00:52:55.660 i can't i i can't

00:52:58.000 someone tell me someone

00:52:58.940 tell me in the chat

00:52:59.600 why are people

00:53:06.800 spamming ones

00:53:07.440 stop switching up all

00:53:13.900 the time i mean most

00:53:16.040 likely like i'm gonna

00:53:17.020 vote for trump but

00:53:17.900 reluctantly he hates

00:53:21.240 gays he doesn't even

00:53:22.100 talk about gays

00:53:22.880 bro didn't he like uh

00:53:24.620 when that that tranny

00:53:25.780 endorsed him he

00:53:26.640 supported it which one

00:53:27.740 caitlin jett bruce

00:53:28.940 jenner when bruce

00:53:29.500 jenner supported is

00:53:30.020 like we love the

00:53:30.520 trannies he used to

00:53:32.000 have a dick and now

00:53:32.600 he doesn't it was

00:53:33.780 very big but now it's

00:53:34.860 huge but tell me

00:53:37.600 well okay what's going

00:53:42.000 on with the mods why

00:53:42.960 is everyone spamming

00:53:43.480 out mod what do you

00:53:43.980 what do they do uh

00:53:46.300 what's wrong with mods

00:53:47.500 chat why are you guys

00:53:48.600 having a civil war right

00:53:49.540 now what the what are

00:53:50.180 you guys spamming ones

00:53:51.060 for what the fuck vote

00:53:53.180 for rfk no bro they

00:53:54.680 killed his uncle and now

00:53:55.540 he's a real shell too

00:53:56.660 rfk is also a good

00:53:58.500 boy because of the

00:54:01.700 economy you fucking

00:54:02.620 idiot yeah the economy

00:54:05.080 it was small but now

00:54:06.760 it's big like come on

00:54:08.360 we're like yeah yeah the

00:54:10.820 economy the economy the

00:54:14.560 economy the economy is

00:54:16.720 very bad the economy is

00:54:20.820 very bad under biden and

00:54:23.360 camilla camilla's black

00:54:25.500 and she's a hindu we

00:54:28.260 don't like her she

00:54:29.160 smells i smelled her i

00:54:30.460 said ew she's not the

00:54:32.740 president for me she

00:54:35.400 smelled like like poop and

00:54:37.540 curry and i said camilla you

00:54:40.320 need some you need i have

00:54:43.060 deodorant we sell the

00:54:45.160 all right don't vote i mean

00:54:52.100 we'll see we'll see

00:54:54.220 okay chat is chat what the

00:54:58.540 fuck is going on right now

00:54:59.900 holy shit this this is chaos

00:55:03.900 right now i love it man

00:55:04.760 they spammed one because

00:55:08.140 someone named type one to

00:55:09.540 rape mods raided your stream

00:55:11.100 bro what are the mods

00:55:14.100 doing why are you guys

00:55:14.900 mad hey don't rape the

00:55:17.800 mods what the fuck

00:55:18.860 type one to rape the

00:55:24.340 mods all right camilla

00:55:27.540 camilla harris she's very

00:55:29.480 bad what did pbd say do

00:55:32.320 you think candace and all

00:55:33.860 did you see uh okay um we

00:55:35.740 didn't even get to react to

00:55:36.640 the pbd uh dan thing but i

00:55:38.640 think it's old news at this

00:55:39.280 point what did he say

00:55:39.900 all this stuff that's

00:55:41.020 going on dan tate doesn't

00:55:43.600 live here tate lives in

00:55:44.420 romania okay so tate us of

00:55:46.340 course you know they want

00:55:48.400 trump to be the president

00:55:49.600 tate's a trump guy he's

00:55:51.040 publicly said it do you

00:55:52.580 think all of that helps

00:55:54.160 trump's case or hurts

00:55:55.280 trump's case hurts trump's

00:55:56.840 case how do you feel

00:55:57.560 about that um not chad is

00:56:00.740 he uh early life not a big

00:56:02.300 fan of it but at the same

00:56:03.260 token i know he's early

00:56:04.300 life but is he at the same

00:56:06.320 time she's chosen her enemy

00:56:07.760 it's a it's a big freaking

00:56:09.880 enemy i know you say you

00:56:10.780 know choose them wisely but

00:56:12.240 i think there's there's

00:56:13.040 something deeper that she

00:56:13.960 has a calling for that she's

00:56:15.460 gonna go with it and how

00:56:16.260 much of it do you think it's

00:56:17.180 her how much of it do you

00:56:18.000 think is to follow now with

00:56:19.420 uh daily wire i think the

00:56:23.100 daily wire situation sparked

00:56:24.760 the fire in her that's taken

00:56:26.200 off and it's way past that

00:56:28.220 it's way ben shapiro so far

00:56:30.240 back in her in her rear view

00:56:32.180 it's insane it's like now it's

00:56:33.540 a bigger issue now he set

00:56:35.920 the flame flame and now it's

00:56:38.280 a full-on fire alarm like

00:56:40.500 it's it's insane do you

00:56:41.620 think america needs that

00:56:43.020 today what all right uh

00:56:44.720 whatever whatever um okay

00:56:50.840 let's finish the eclipse uh

00:56:53.080 debating like 20 minutes

00:56:53.960 chat let me just go just

00:56:55.300 finish these two okay okay

00:56:57.000 peterson says one thing i've

00:57:06.640 told men over and over is if

00:57:08.200 you're being rejected by all

00:57:09.060 the women that you approach

00:57:09.800 it's not the women it's you

00:57:10.520 so if i get rejected by 109

00:57:12.560 women i'm the problem you see

00:57:14.160 when you ask chat gpt if a

00:57:16.140 white man gets kicked out of

00:57:17.580 109 restaurants is it his

00:57:19.080 fault or the restaurant's fault

00:57:20.000 they said it's the white guy's

00:57:20.820 fault if you say the same

00:57:21.900 question for jews they're

00:57:22.740 like

00:57:23.380 malfunctions

00:57:26.100 chat people think i'm

00:57:29.540 jewish or something or

00:57:30.280 they think i like like i

00:57:31.420 just wear it for good luck

00:57:32.260 bro you know what i just

00:57:33.520 realized

00:57:34.560 couple baby

00:57:36.620 couple baby

00:57:38.780 wait wait wait

00:57:39.600 couple explains why he's

00:57:41.260 giving up the star of david

00:57:42.120 chain hold on okay let's

00:57:43.080 see what he says

00:57:43.380 jewish or something or

00:57:44.060 they think i like like i

00:57:45.180 just wear it for good luck

00:57:46.040 bro people think i'm like

00:57:46.960 weird i'm like a zionist

00:57:47.980 or some shit so i'm gonna

00:57:49.760 have to start wearing the

00:57:50.360 jew chain i'm gonna have

00:57:51.340 to start wearing it

00:57:51.880 because i'll just be

00:57:52.660 wearing that shit because

00:57:53.300 every time i get pulled

00:57:54.120 over and the cops see

00:57:55.480 that shit they're like

00:57:56.080 oh they're like

00:57:57.700 they're like what they

00:57:59.040 be saying from shabalat

00:57:59.900 how long no shabalat

00:58:01.420 shabalat shalom nigga you

00:58:03.220 don't even know how to

00:58:03.800 speak hebrew and you're

00:58:05.020 wearing the jew chain i

00:58:07.040 know it's shabbat shalom not

00:58:08.760 shalom

00:58:09.160 couple baby oh i'm glad he's

00:58:13.260 retiring it but i just

00:58:14.360 realized

00:58:14.900 this is what the fuck

00:58:17.000 couple look like when he

00:58:17.960 got the jew chain on

00:58:18.860 hey hey

00:58:19.640 come on

00:58:24.540 come on baby

00:58:24.980 w cuff man w cuff

00:58:27.620 glad he got rid of that

00:58:29.100 got it

00:58:30.620 all right i don't know

00:58:32.320 why did he have that

00:58:32.960 on in the first place

00:58:33.640 i don't know

00:58:34.180 whatever they say i just

00:58:35.100 be called

00:58:35.320 i'm like

00:58:36.100 shabalat shabalat shabalat

00:58:37.680 oh god i'll be like i'm a

00:58:38.660 jew god

00:58:39.240 anyway all right

00:58:40.060 so i'm glad you can

00:58:40.960 man you know just make

00:58:41.700 sure you

00:58:42.040 you drive slower or

00:58:43.460 just make sure you know

00:58:44.720 you lower those tents

00:58:45.440 and i'm like

00:58:45.760 shabalat shabalat shabalat

00:58:47.000 and you're saying

00:58:47.480 yes sir

00:58:47.800 then let me go

00:58:48.780 so that's why we're the

00:58:49.440 jew chain

00:58:49.900 maybe w coat bro that's not why how many times have you got pulled over since you got the jew

00:58:53.560 chain on twice once also how many cops are jewish have you ever seen a jewish cop this is such like

00:59:00.760 black people love to talk about how they get profiled by the police bro

00:59:05.700 i've never seen a jewish cop once why would they be cops they don't need to do oh no physical labor

00:59:12.520 i don't want to the the camera's too heavy oh oh the cuffs i can't cuff cuff them i lost the key to

00:59:22.280 the cuffs to cuff cuff them there's no such thing as a jewish cop they're dominican they're mexicans

00:59:30.020 they're irish guys and then they go home and beat their wives like

00:59:34.180 chat am i am i wrong or have you ever seen a guy like oh you were going a little fast

00:59:41.100 give me your license and registration oh do you know why i pulled you over

00:59:48.720 you were going a bit over the limit but it's okay you know why you can't have a jewish cop

00:59:54.680 i'll take a bribe you were going over the limit can you go and quench my can you wet my beak and i'll

01:00:04.440 let you go i see you got a quarter in your cup holder and then i'll let you on your way

01:00:12.440 give me the quarters give me the quarters on your under your mcdonald's bag and you could be on your

01:00:20.980 way go on i won't tell there's no such thing as a jewish cop

01:00:27.160 all right bro all right like there's a jewish conspiracy with the lapd what what what are you

01:00:46.160 talking about i need to go and get my quota that doesn't why would they need to do that

01:00:52.160 bro they're like five six five seven they're oh they have allergies

01:00:58.520 they have diabetes they have irritable bowel syndrome i can't go to shift today

01:01:05.760 i need to does anyone have a a stool honda

01:01:09.500 name one jewish cop chat name one name one okay no more jew voice i'm done

01:01:20.100 well done winslet i told you do a holocaust movie the awards come didn't i

01:01:46.920 how many jews died in the holocaust

01:01:56.220 we in poland are racist we are proud of it and let's go i don't really want any immigrants

01:02:02.720 in my country you know uh some people say there is the demographic problem in poland

01:02:08.700 winning more winning more uh young kids you know and what i'm about to say is not good

01:02:14.680 but cook yeah of course let the immigrants in let them our women huh and let's have more kids man

01:02:22.620 if you want that let's do it but i'm against that i'm against nigger wants to be the next hawk too

01:02:29.620 was so bad all the immigration i don't really like that and i'm not trying to take a risk for

01:02:36.320 immigrant people to wreck our women kill our kids uh and that would be just dangerous i don't approve

01:02:42.900 that thank you man thank you man remember when warsaw got taken over in like a day by the by the nuts

01:02:51.500 no i don't appreciate like you constantly like touching me or hugging me what are you talking

01:02:57.540 about i'm talking about i'm talking about like a friend no but it's like not it makes me feel

01:03:01.040 uncomfortable oh i'm sorry well he was trying to he was trying to sneaker method oh shaleen

01:03:05.840 yes chat i know this is peak irl i know i know that my hotel desktop streams are better

01:03:20.160 okay i'm aware these collabs here and the sneon run i know i know all right for the parasocials

01:03:26.860 i'm trying i'm trying bro i am trying okay it's not easy bro this is uh in my opinion i think this

01:03:34.580 is the best our run irl run that any streamer has had except no glaze bro and even though chat

01:03:42.960 we're in w word i gotta admit that the europe run from speed was probably the best irl run that i've

01:03:48.920 seen even though he did the fucking uh the ego thing at with power stop because kai sanat told him

01:03:54.720 to do it it's fine that was but this was close second my la run with sneon and and blueberry come on bro

01:04:02.340 as long as i'm with you i've got a smile on my face

01:04:09.000 and you guys are never gonna let it go you ain't never gonna let it go

01:04:13.920 and you know i never let it go

01:04:16.220 chat word we're in w auschwitz

01:04:21.820 chat i go to germany

01:04:22.840 chat

01:04:23.720 all right chat we're gonna go to the holocaust museum all right chat let's look at the gas

01:04:32.000 chambers let's try it all right chat how many jews died in the holocaust we're gonna try the

01:04:38.540 gas chambers

01:04:40.380 all right

01:04:45.040 all right chat how come there's wooden doors on the gas chambers it would take decades to burn this

01:04:53.140 many people alive all right

01:04:55.040 all right chat there's absolutely no way that they could have kept all the bodies in this place

01:05:03.380 save israel right save israel and when i'm back in the oval office i will support israel's right to win

01:05:15.680 it's war on terror they have to have a right to win

01:05:18.340 all right bro

01:05:20.000 all right man

01:05:22.040 and then niggas like oh we need to vote trump for the economy

01:05:25.760 we need to vote for the economy

01:05:28.000 niggas stop being poor bro

01:05:30.960 i need to vote for trump because milk costs one more dollar

01:05:35.380 niggas

01:05:36.220 niggas you voted based on milk

01:05:38.820 how poor are you

01:05:40.220 have you ever thought about i don't know making more money

01:05:43.480 is really the price of gas

01:05:45.920 that supersedes the fact that he's like pledging allegiance to israel

01:05:50.180 i can't pay for my gas

01:05:53.760 shut up

01:05:56.320 shut up

01:05:57.820 stop being poor

01:05:59.260 fixes all your problems

01:06:01.280 thank you

01:06:07.440 and i will give israel the support that it needs to win

01:06:10.540 and we'll give israel the support that it needs to win because

01:06:13.460 let's be fair

01:06:15.340 all right

01:06:15.820 all right

01:06:16.120 i do want them to win fast

01:06:17.940 wouldn't it be nice if they could win fast

01:06:19.700 and we have to let them win

01:06:20.860 jesus christ

01:06:22.180 to our enemies around the world

01:06:23.660 this is painful

01:06:24.200 we want our hostages back

01:06:25.500 and they better be back

01:06:26.400 and they better be back bigly and hugely

01:06:28.240 we need all 200 of the hostages that they

01:06:30.460 that even the times of israel admitted that

01:06:33.460 hamas told

01:06:35.120 they said that we're going to give the hostages back

01:06:37.620 but they didn't want the hostages

01:06:38.800 because they want to keep committing genocide

01:06:40.540 but uh

01:06:41.200 you know

01:06:42.440 and i'm owned by the zionist donors

01:06:44.360 and i i'm owned by apac

01:06:47.580 apac employee of the month award

01:06:50.480 that's what the presidential campaign is now

01:06:52.400 apac employee of the year

01:06:54.500 this shit is fucking corny bro

01:06:56.140 sneko help me debate harry sissison

01:06:59.540 why

01:07:01.400 why

01:07:02.560 for this

01:07:03.240 this

01:07:05.240 if kamala harris and tim waltz

01:07:13.100 are elected the radical left flag burners

01:07:15.780 and hamas sympathize

01:07:17.040 oh the flag burners

01:07:18.680 oh

01:07:19.620 the flag burners

01:07:22.320 just be causing chaos on our streets

01:07:25.340 they'll be running u.s foreign policy in the white house

01:07:28.980 and israel will be gone

01:07:30.680 it will go

01:07:31.420 it will be gone

01:07:32.180 i never thought i'd say that a year ago

01:07:33.900 even two years ago

01:07:34.940 w

01:07:35.540 i never thought i'd say it

01:07:37.440 but

01:07:38.260 israel will be gone i believe

01:07:40.140 and remember everything trump said was right

01:07:43.540 you ever see the sign

01:07:44.520 everything i said was right

01:07:45.980 i actually think it's true

01:07:47.500 i don't think he's faking it bro

01:07:50.600 look

01:07:51.640 see that last sign

01:07:53.040 everything i said was right

01:07:54.500 i actually think it's true

01:07:56.020 i don't think so man

01:07:58.040 i don't think so

01:07:59.400 someone said wallahi is faking it

01:08:01.060 what do you think

01:08:02.020 is he faking it

01:08:03.660 is he faking it yes or no

01:08:07.540 is he faking it yes or no

01:08:08.900 tell me right now

01:08:09.540 tell me right now

01:08:11.680 but the economy

01:08:14.100 sounds like a

01:08:16.920 sounds like a poor speaking

01:08:18.960 shoo poor

01:08:20.760 but i need to work three jobs to go and fill my gas tank

01:08:27.060 like

01:08:30.580 all right bro

01:08:31.880 all right

01:08:34.080 but crypto

01:08:35.820 it's crypto's going up anyway

01:08:37.700 but but

01:08:39.620 camilla's a woman

01:08:41.340 yeah she is

01:08:42.320 and that sucks

01:08:43.040 but netanyahu's the real president

01:08:44.440 so

01:08:44.840 you know

01:08:46.100 at least we can get it out the way

01:08:48.680 and she's hot

01:08:49.660 like let's be real

01:08:51.240 camilla

01:08:51.960 i i would

01:08:52.960 i would

01:08:54.180 not even like 20 years ago

01:08:55.500 at her peak

01:08:55.940 i would now

01:08:56.820 i would now

01:08:58.920 camilla looking

01:09:00.200 uh

01:09:00.680 i would be her pijit man

01:09:09.360 camilla

01:09:11.580 camilla

01:09:13.680 can a nigga pijit ya

01:09:15.440 thank you

01:09:17.060 i'm gonna be calling camilla like

01:09:20.040 do you need

01:09:22.580 a dick appointment mam

01:09:24.580 did you call for your dick appointment camilla

01:09:28.860 i'm coming for the spicy curry

01:09:31.240 mmm

01:09:31.940 it better not be stinky

01:09:34.440 okay

01:09:35.560 camilla

01:09:37.820 let's be real

01:09:39.740 yes it's a woman

01:09:41.660 and be like

01:09:42.480 oh we don't need a woman running the country

01:09:44.280 we might as well like

01:09:45.300 they're gonna do it inevitably anyway

01:09:46.740 we need to get it out

01:09:48.400 we need to just get it out

01:09:49.360 okay

01:09:49.820 chat's mad

01:09:55.380 uh

01:09:56.640 okay

01:09:59.900 is uh

01:10:00.420 is camilla hot yes or no

01:10:01.640 okay

01:10:03.100 someone said

01:10:03.480 camuto

01:10:04.080 camuto

01:10:05.460 herish

01:10:06.020 um

01:10:08.920 she would be less hot

01:10:12.060 if she talked like

01:10:12.780 trump's talking in this video right now

01:10:14.200 but if

01:10:15.140 i mean

01:10:15.720 i don't know man

01:10:16.500 i i don't

01:10:17.240 i don't

01:10:17.900 trump

01:10:19.840 give us a sign

01:10:20.420 trump if you are faking it

01:10:21.680 if you are

01:10:22.620 if you are grifting israel to get votes

01:10:24.540 if you're grifting israel to get donors

01:10:26.800 to get boners from the donors

01:10:29.100 if you're grifting israel

01:10:29.940 blink twice

01:10:31.060 let us know

01:10:31.780 trump jr you follow me on twitter

01:10:34.280 send me a dm

01:10:35.000 if your dad is

01:10:36.020 if your dad is grifting the jews

01:10:37.980 to get elected

01:10:39.040 just tell me

01:10:40.100 because this is brutal

01:10:41.000 this is brutal

01:10:41.860 it's brutal

01:10:43.260 brutal

01:10:45.040 can't watch this anymore man

01:10:48.140 would

01:10:54.200 well i would

01:10:56.040 man

01:10:56.660 shit

01:10:57.800 i'm trying to taste

01:10:59.760 i'm trying to taste her mango lassie

01:11:01.820 it's gonna be me at the camilla harris

01:11:19.040 at the at the camilla rally front row

01:11:21.000 trying to get some pussy

01:11:22.000 aoc is fucked bro

01:11:27.220 aoc is hot too man

01:11:28.520 aoc is hot as fuck

01:11:30.660 tommy

01:11:31.280 all right let me see

01:11:32.280 actually let me see

01:11:33.000 did you see the dnc rally

01:11:34.320 i didn't

01:11:35.320 she did a speech

01:11:36.360 where is she

01:11:36.900 where is she at

01:11:37.380 here it is

01:11:38.580 i didn't see this one

01:11:40.280 oh man

01:11:45.840 she's doing

01:11:46.500 she's doing a blm rally

01:11:47.800 freedom

01:11:48.840 blm

01:11:49.960 actually you know what

01:11:51.240 she's not hot

01:11:51.820 never mind

01:11:52.320 she's not hot

01:11:53.280 i don't know what the fuck

01:11:54.140 i was talking about

01:11:54.960 aoc's gotta be a creamer bro

01:12:07.720 aoc doesn't score

01:12:09.200 she's a she's a creamer

01:12:10.520 mexican pussy hits different

01:12:12.180 i ain't gonna hold

01:12:12.720 go

01:12:12.960 mexicans get creamy

01:12:15.080 but

01:12:16.020 okay

01:12:17.300 i was wrong about kamala

01:12:18.680 she's hot

01:12:22.380 yeah never mind

01:12:26.920 i don't know what i'm talking about bro

01:12:28.260 oh man

01:12:32.200 oh no i hate her

01:12:33.760 oh no

01:12:35.380 this is going to be a great week

01:12:38.200 oh no

01:12:39.900 never mind

01:12:40.560 never mind

01:12:41.200 chat

01:12:41.620 you know what

01:12:42.020 i'm gripping

01:12:42.400 i take it

01:12:43.020 i take it all back

01:12:43.840 never mind

01:12:44.340 never mind

01:12:44.860 never mind

01:12:45.440 and i want to kick us

01:12:47.680 look at look at people

01:12:48.640 fakest muslim ever

01:12:50.000 shut up faggot

01:12:51.820 what i just

01:12:52.480 i talked about

01:12:53.060 aoc having creamy pussy

01:12:54.420 you're gonna act like mexicans

01:12:55.680 don't have creamy pussy

01:12:56.620 like just because i'm muslim now

01:12:58.680 i have to act like i didn't know that

01:13:00.700 i don't know this information

01:13:01.980 everyone like

01:13:03.400 well okay maybe people don't know that

01:13:05.060 but yeah

01:13:05.680 it's off by celebrating

01:13:07.100 oh

01:13:07.380 incredible president

01:13:09.100 joe biden

01:13:10.320 shut up

01:13:12.680 who will be speaking

01:13:15.060 later tonight

01:13:16.380 joe

01:13:17.300 thank you

01:13:18.220 for your historic

01:13:19.640 leadership

01:13:20.220 for your lifetime

01:13:21.360 of service

01:13:22.040 to our nation

01:13:22.860 and for all

01:13:24.080 you will continue

01:13:25.020 to do

01:13:25.720 we are forever

01:13:27.080 grateful to you

01:13:28.340 oh yeah

01:13:28.820 she's just like

01:13:29.360 an indian hillary bro

01:13:30.380 never mind

01:13:31.680 she gives me a lizard vibe

01:13:33.300 like i never

01:13:33.900 never mind

01:13:34.680 never mind

01:13:35.520 i take that all back

01:13:36.600 i take that

01:13:37.420 i take everything

01:13:38.140 i just said back

01:13:39.180 i would not

01:13:40.080 i would not

01:13:40.740 we'll lie here

01:13:41.300 i would not

01:13:41.800 thank you

01:13:43.120 unless

01:13:43.960 and looking out

01:13:52.100 looking out

01:13:53.920 at everyone tonight

01:13:55.320 i see the beauty

01:13:57.840 of our great nation

01:13:59.920 people from

01:14:01.200 every corner

01:14:02.920 of our country

01:14:04.140 and every walk

01:14:05.440 of life

01:14:06.040 are here

01:14:06.640 united by

01:14:07.960 our shared

01:14:08.860 vision

01:14:09.440 for the future

01:14:10.520 of our country

01:14:11.640 and this november

01:14:12.980 we will come

01:14:13.820 together

01:14:14.380 and declare

01:14:15.460 with one voice

01:14:16.800 as one people

01:14:18.320 we are moving

01:14:19.660 forward

01:14:20.520 she's like

01:14:22.840 like the english

01:14:25.140 teacher obama

01:14:26.140 she's like if obama

01:14:29.520 was a gender

01:14:30.100 studies professor

01:14:30.920 by our love

01:14:31.720 of country

01:14:32.520 knowing we all

01:14:33.700 have so much

01:14:34.580 more in common

01:14:35.280 than what

01:14:35.740 separates us

01:14:36.640 let us fight

01:14:37.940 for the ideals

01:14:38.940 we hold dear

01:14:40.040 and let us

01:14:41.100 always remember

01:14:41.960 she didn't even

01:14:42.820 say anything

01:14:43.680 she's literally

01:14:45.040 said

01:14:45.640 nothing

01:14:46.700 what like

01:14:48.340 what was a policy

01:14:49.200 she introduced

01:14:49.840 what was

01:14:50.340 an ideology

01:14:51.500 she

01:14:51.820 this is the

01:14:53.540 most blanket

01:14:54.320 open script

01:14:55.660 ever where you

01:14:56.240 could just fill

01:14:56.760 up whatever

01:14:57.140 you believe in

01:14:57.860 as a liberal

01:14:58.740 who likes

01:14:59.160 black women

01:14:59.760 indian women

01:15:00.820 whatever

01:15:01.140 if you're a

01:15:01.680 fag

01:15:02.020 you could just

01:15:02.680 be like

01:15:02.880 yes

01:15:03.360 yes queen

01:15:04.480 the fuck

01:15:05.300 did she say

01:15:05.940 what are her

01:15:07.900 policies

01:15:08.420 it's incredible

01:15:09.580 that she's getting

01:15:10.160 this many votes

01:15:10.840 and she has

01:15:11.200 this much momentum

01:15:11.900 my grandma

01:15:12.840 from Haiti

01:15:13.520 called me up

01:15:14.060 today

01:15:14.240 she's like

01:15:15.340 um

01:15:15.900 sagma say

01:15:17.320 oh oh

01:15:18.100 Kamala

01:15:19.060 okay I'm doing

01:15:20.520 your making voice

01:15:21.000 anyway she said

01:15:21.600 that she thinks

01:15:22.220 Kamala's gonna win

01:15:22.960 and she has

01:15:25.140 a really good

01:15:25.660 chance man

01:15:26.340 but look how far

01:15:27.420 you can get

01:15:27.820 in American politics

01:15:28.620 without having

01:15:29.300 anything

01:15:30.080 anything at all

01:15:31.720 just saying

01:15:32.240 the right buzzwords

01:15:32.960 and smiling

01:15:33.680 and putting on

01:15:34.740 a pantsuit

01:15:35.340 when we fight

01:15:37.260 we win

01:15:38.780 god bless you

01:15:40.300 god bless you

01:15:40.780 when we fight

01:15:41.640 we win

01:15:42.140 and when she

01:15:42.540 god bless you

01:15:43.280 is she talking

01:15:43.740 about the

01:15:44.120 33 million

01:15:44.900 hindu gods

01:15:45.500 which one

01:15:46.280 is she talking

01:15:46.740 about

01:15:47.040 the united

01:15:48.300 states of

01:15:49.060 america

01:15:49.740 when we fight

01:15:50.440 we win

01:15:50.880 that's it

01:15:53.180 that's it

01:15:58.780 that's it

01:16:02.120 that's it

01:16:02.140 in this arena

01:16:06.080 the united

01:16:08.020 center

01:16:08.500 and the

01:16:09.300 crowd

01:16:10.000 is just

01:16:10.880 ecstatic

01:16:11.680 here

01:16:12.140 tens of

01:16:13.360 thousands

01:16:13.840 of democrats

01:16:14.740 delegates

01:16:15.700 activists

01:16:16.640 union

01:16:17.500 members

01:16:18.000 on their

01:16:18.780 feet

01:16:19.280 holding up

01:16:20.220 signs

01:16:20.780 from the

01:16:21.480 top of the

01:16:21.960 rafters

01:16:22.600 to down

01:16:23.060 on the

01:16:23.380 floor

01:16:23.760 dana and

01:16:24.980 abby

01:16:25.420 this is a

01:16:26.900 different

01:16:27.360 democratic

01:16:28.080 party

01:16:28.680 definitely

01:16:29.980 a different

01:16:30.600 mood

01:16:31.040 than just

01:16:31.960 four weeks

01:16:33.040 and two

01:16:33.400 days ago

01:16:34.020 is this guy

01:16:35.700 in a early

01:16:36.000 life or two

01:16:36.540 i can't stop

01:16:37.440 seeing it now

01:16:37.920 man look at

01:16:38.320 that look at

01:16:38.740 that honker

01:16:39.360 right here

01:16:40.020 we're not

01:16:42.480 gonna take him

01:16:43.120 but we're not

01:16:43.600 gonna take him

01:16:44.280 someone tell me

01:16:44.880 someone tell me

01:16:45.280 real quick

01:16:45.560 is he early

01:16:46.220 life am i

01:16:46.740 am i right

01:16:47.180 or wrong

01:16:47.480 dana the

01:16:48.680 crowd is

01:16:49.160 really excited

01:16:50.620 here it's

01:16:51.340 electric and

01:16:52.900 not to mix

01:16:53.600 metaphors but

01:16:54.500 it does feel

01:16:55.440 like something

01:16:57.140 just got

01:16:57.560 uncorked like

01:16:59.080 you know there's

01:16:59.840 just a lot of

01:17:00.500 pressure and

01:17:01.680 all of a sudden

01:17:02.280 everybody feels

01:17:03.160 free to

01:17:04.820 she said

01:17:05.340 everyone is

01:17:05.720 nutted

01:17:06.100 express their

01:17:07.000 their joy

01:17:07.700 and there's

01:17:08.860 no question

01:17:09.820 he is

01:17:10.880 i was right

01:17:11.600 he is

01:17:13.100 what's that

01:17:14.680 guy's name

01:17:15.260 this is a

01:17:17.380 feeling that

01:17:18.320 democrats

01:17:18.920 wanted to

01:17:20.040 feel

01:17:20.340 they were

01:17:21.380 searching for

01:17:22.200 this kind

01:17:22.980 of energy

01:17:24.020 and this

01:17:24.580 kind of

01:17:24.960 enthusiasm

01:17:25.640 particularly

01:17:27.360 well just

01:17:28.420 in general

01:17:28.940 but particularly

01:17:29.560 given the

01:17:30.680 republican that

01:17:31.340 they're running

01:17:31.700 against

01:17:31.960 and i think

01:17:33.820 heightened by

01:17:34.500 the fact that

01:17:35.060 they went

01:17:35.460 through a

01:17:36.360 period of

01:17:36.940 weeks of

01:17:37.580 just absolute

01:17:38.780 despair what

01:17:40.200 you're seeing in

01:17:40.820 this room are

01:17:41.440 people who have

01:17:42.360 a sense of hope

01:17:43.120 again about the

01:17:43.820 trajectory of this

01:17:44.840 race and people

01:17:46.060 who want to see

01:17:47.160 vice president

01:17:48.000 harris win i

01:17:49.580 mean you felt the

01:17:50.700 energy in the room

01:17:51.620 building as the

01:17:52.440 video was playing i

01:17:53.360 mean it was a

01:17:54.620 pre-produced

01:17:55.180 they're talking

01:17:55.640 about this like

01:17:56.160 it's sex like

01:17:57.140 this is foreplay

01:17:58.840 and video with

01:17:59.500 beyonce playing and

01:18:00.800 people were on

01:18:01.480 their feet they

01:18:02.180 were chanting

01:18:02.820 along with the

01:18:03.460 video they were

01:18:04.160 cheering along with

01:18:05.040 the video

01:18:05.380 oh shut up

01:18:06.140 shut up

01:18:07.380 did people notice

01:18:09.940 that she didn't

01:18:10.280 say anything or

01:18:10.760 no

01:18:11.020 wow

01:18:21.720 tel aviv tommy i'm

01:18:28.020 challenging you he's

01:18:29.260 a tel aviv tommy

01:18:30.320 fistfight me and

01:18:31.520 you you pick a

01:18:33.560 corner of the uk

01:18:34.860 wherever you want

01:18:35.620 i'm here whatever

01:18:37.620 you want doesn't

01:18:38.440 matter get out of

01:18:39.020 your cypress hill

01:18:39.840 you know uh mansion

01:18:41.580 when you're causing

01:18:42.740 all these fit now

01:18:43.500 these issues in the

01:18:44.380 streets here you

01:18:45.560 know but you're out

01:18:46.320 there hiding

01:18:46.840 you're hiding

01:18:48.020 you're hiding

01:18:49.820 you're hiding

01:18:50.820 me and you

01:18:52.000 let's just take it

01:18:52.660 on one-on-one

01:18:53.420 challenge sent

01:18:54.960 pick the place

01:18:55.920 in time

01:18:56.320 bruh bruh

01:19:05.920 bruh

01:19:07.920 chat who you

01:19:10.340 got in to fight

01:19:10.800 tel aviv tommy or

01:19:12.760 shake with him on

01:19:13.680 come here

01:19:14.740 come here

01:19:15.700 come here

01:19:16.360 where you going

01:19:16.800 come here

01:19:17.220 come here

01:19:18.360 come here little

01:19:18.520 bondy

01:19:18.900 little taylor swift

01:19:19.980 looking ass bitch

01:19:20.740 hey bro the

01:19:26.180 why is she out

01:19:26.700 this lady bro

01:19:27.520 why is she out

01:19:28.840 this lady

01:19:29.280 this is hollywood

01:19:30.140 bro

01:19:30.380 that's great i

01:19:34.240 apologize bro

01:19:35.080 i'm not trying to

01:19:35.800 disrespect you

01:19:36.800 he folded super

01:19:37.980 quick

01:19:38.260 i totally apologize

01:19:39.580 i totally thought

01:19:40.600 i would just

01:19:40.960 shut the fuck up

01:19:41.860 no problem sir

01:19:42.540 no problem

01:19:43.120 yeah i didn't know

01:19:45.220 this is busy

01:19:45.680 i don't want to

01:19:46.560 get into that

01:19:47.080 i didn't know

01:19:47.640 hey it's not

01:19:48.420 this is

01:19:49.180 stop the cat

01:19:49.780 going after women

01:19:50.680 bro the fuck

01:19:51.840 up

01:19:52.060 bro don't tell

01:19:54.900 me about

01:19:55.300 coming at me

01:19:55.980 you just entered

01:19:56.720 my world

01:19:57.420 all right

01:19:58.100 i apologize

01:19:59.040 for that bro

01:19:59.860 this is on camera

01:20:00.760 bro

01:20:01.180 be nice

01:20:02.280 this is my hood

01:20:02.920 bro

01:20:03.600 that's why i'm

01:20:06.860 holding the camera

01:20:07.460 bro

01:20:07.820 ain't nobody

01:20:08.320 robbing me

01:20:08.760 from this camera

01:20:09.320 he's a thousand

01:20:10.120 dollar phone

01:20:10.600 player

01:20:10.980 he starts talking

01:20:14.060 shit as soon as

01:20:14.680 he walks away

01:20:15.220 every time he

01:20:15.720 shows up

01:20:16.220 oh i apologize

01:20:16.900 brother

01:20:17.980 she's 15

01:20:23.380 what's he

01:20:23.700 hanging out

01:20:23.980 with a 15

01:20:24.440 year old

01:20:24.720 that's his

01:20:25.740 daughter

01:20:26.040 retard

01:20:26.440 who is this

01:20:26.900 guy

01:20:27.200 okay nick

01:20:28.680 tweeted uh

01:20:29.280 there's a new

01:20:29.760 trump speech right

01:20:30.300 now what did he

01:20:30.740 say

01:20:31.000 let's see let's

01:20:32.680 see if trump's

01:20:33.100 really faking it

01:20:33.800 trump on obama

01:20:35.400 i like him

01:20:36.680 he's a nice

01:20:37.440 gentleman

01:20:37.860 i respect him

01:20:39.080 and his husband

01:20:39.740 i like him

01:20:55.120 i like him

01:20:57.220 i love him

01:20:57.700 very dearly

01:20:58.280 they're gay

01:20:58.860 but

01:20:59.340 i love him

01:21:00.740 when they're

01:21:01.060 gay

01:21:01.360 what happened

01:21:02.100 to some of

01:21:02.580 these countries

01:21:03.080 what they did

01:21:03.780 but i happen

01:21:04.780 to like him

01:21:05.300 i respect him

01:21:06.300 and i respect

01:21:06.720 his wife

01:21:07.220 i like him

01:21:09.140 i like him

01:21:09.980 he's great

01:21:10.480 he's good

01:21:11.040 come on man

01:21:12.120 come on man

01:21:15.460 this stuff makes

01:21:25.080 you want to

01:21:25.340 watch like

01:21:25.840 highlight reels

01:21:26.600 of 2016

01:21:27.220 obama

01:21:27.760 the good

01:21:29.500 old days

01:21:29.900 man

01:21:30.160 the good

01:21:31.240 old days

01:21:31.800 she's fat

01:21:34.520 bro back in

01:21:35.860 the day

01:21:36.080 trump would have

01:21:36.440 been like

01:21:36.820 fuck obama

01:21:37.960 he's a nigger

01:21:38.560 don't like him

01:21:39.420 mike obama

01:21:40.220 he's a man

01:21:41.000 not good

01:21:42.360 no tits

01:21:43.260 bad tits

01:21:44.920 barack obama

01:21:47.500 he's a fucking

01:21:48.180 nigger

01:21:48.540 what is he

01:21:51.400 he's kenyan

01:21:52.760 he's a muslim

01:21:53.680 what is he

01:21:54.960 don't like him

01:21:55.780 not good

01:21:56.420 he's bad

01:21:57.880 very bad

01:21:58.460 very nigger

01:21:59.140 today

01:22:00.160 2024 trump

01:22:01.540 i love him

01:22:02.120 i love them all

01:22:03.020 love the nigs

01:22:05.060 alright

01:22:05.560 my massage

01:22:12.100 great stuff

01:22:14.580 this is amazing

01:22:15.260 this is actually

01:22:16.420 my massage

01:22:17.140 okay

01:22:17.780 let me show you

01:22:18.880 how good

01:22:19.180 i'm

01:22:19.420 massaging

01:22:21.300 people

01:22:22.320 i'm not even

01:22:22.960 joking

01:22:23.200 this is actually

01:22:23.720 so good

01:22:24.180 is it good

01:22:24.620 yeah

01:22:25.040 my massage

01:22:25.920 yeah

01:22:26.220 really bro

01:22:27.200 no one's ever

01:22:27.760 said that

01:22:28.320 bro it's actually

01:22:28.880 good

01:22:29.160 yeah

01:22:30.080 you've got a lot

01:22:31.120 tension

01:22:31.480 it looks like

01:22:32.280 i do

01:22:32.820 you do have

01:22:33.440 tension

01:22:33.860 that was great

01:22:35.360 it was fantastic

01:22:37.140 why the fuck

01:22:47.400 are you guys

01:22:48.080 putting these

01:22:48.840 clips in here

01:22:49.620 bro

01:22:50.000 what the fuck

01:22:56.940 like

01:22:57.220 my discord

01:23:07.140 is uh

01:23:07.820 why the shit

01:23:09.100 out

01:23:09.380 chicago style

01:23:10.940 that's the lady

01:23:13.000 why did he

01:23:21.400 why

01:23:21.580 look at what

01:23:24.540 he scoffed

01:23:25.280 to like

01:23:25.560 a

01:23:25.820 oh

01:23:26.500 oh my

01:23:27.240 a destiny

01:23:28.540 fan

01:23:29.080 look at his

01:23:30.220 face

01:23:30.540 oh

01:23:31.300 oh

01:23:32.300 huh

01:23:33.300 say something

01:23:36.080 say something

01:23:37.800 back to him

01:23:38.340 how do you

01:23:38.600 how do you

01:23:38.820 get pressed

01:23:39.260 like that

01:23:39.680 oh

01:23:39.980 oh

01:23:41.180 not have

01:23:46.240 mercy on the

01:23:46.860 children

01:23:47.200 how attractive

01:23:48.680 is sneko

01:23:49.240 sneko's eye

01:23:50.680 shape is slightly

01:23:51.340 too rounded

01:23:51.920 his canthal tilt

01:23:53.100 is on the lower

01:23:53.660 end and his

01:23:54.360 interpupillary

01:23:55.020 distance is low

01:23:55.960 he has masculinized

01:23:57.240 facial thirds

01:23:58.080 perfect total face

01:23:59.380 shape and a

01:24:00.040 perfect square

01:24:00.640 hairline

01:24:01.200 his cheekbones

01:24:29.180 could be higher

01:24:29.740 set

01:24:30.080 his jaw width

01:24:30.980 is slightly

01:24:31.400 unideal

01:24:32.100 and his chin

01:24:32.800 is too long

01:24:33.420 his eyebrows

01:24:34.320 are thick

01:24:34.840 dark

01:24:35.380 and positively

01:24:36.460 tilted

01:24:36.920 yes sir

01:24:37.500 sneko has a

01:24:38.060 compact facial

01:24:38.820 width to height

01:24:39.460 ratio

01:24:39.940 and a wide neck

01:24:41.020 he has a

01:24:41.740 tall ramus

01:24:42.440 and ideal

01:24:42.980 facial convexity

01:24:44.000 yes sir

01:24:44.420 his mouth

01:24:44.980 to nose width

01:24:45.600 is poor

01:24:46.180 his jaw

01:24:46.920 is slightly

01:24:47.360 obtuse

01:24:47.940 and his ears

01:24:48.760 are extremely

01:24:49.380 flared

01:24:49.920 huh

01:24:50.540 sneko is a

01:24:55.360 6.5

01:24:56.140 out of 10

01:24:56.600 facially

01:24:57.120 with 63

01:24:57.900 percent

01:24:58.360 facial harmony

01:24:59.200 a noticeably

01:24:59.940 attractive face

01:25:00.740 in the top

01:25:01.220 five percent

01:25:01.840 if you want

01:25:02.420 a facial

01:25:02.820 analysis

01:25:03.340 a noticeably

01:25:05.760 attractive face

01:25:06.540 in the top

01:25:07.040 five percent

01:25:07.660 if you want a

01:25:28.860 facial analysis

01:25:29.640 or personalized

01:25:30.380 looks maxing

01:25:31.160 advice

01:25:31.540 click the link

01:25:32.340 in my bio

01:25:32.980 imagine not

01:25:34.540 being me

01:25:35.260 you know

01:25:36.320 what I'm saying

01:25:36.640 imagine not

01:25:38.920 being a

01:25:40.060 self-made

01:25:40.880 multi-millionaire

01:25:42.280 with free speech

01:25:43.100 who's six

01:25:43.540 two and a half

01:25:44.200 sexy

01:25:44.840 mixed race

01:25:46.500 imagine

01:25:48.280 not being

01:25:50.000 me

01:25:50.880 imagine not

01:25:53.560 being

01:25:53.960 rich

01:25:54.940 successful

01:25:55.880 influential

01:25:56.740 tall

01:25:57.480 top five

01:25:58.420 percent face

01:25:59.200 with a

01:26:00.780 canthal tilt

01:26:01.680 nigga

01:26:02.220 nigga

01:26:03.800 ready for

01:26:13.840 Chad to get

01:26:14.220 mad

01:26:14.440 one question

01:26:15.260 one question

01:26:16.060 do you know

01:26:17.300 where is

01:26:18.020 the nigga

01:26:18.420 what

01:26:19.100 where is

01:26:19.660 the nigga

01:26:20.000 okay they

01:26:32.820 just paid that

01:26:33.360 black guy to do

01:26:33.900 that

01:26:34.060 I'm joking

01:26:36.840 I'm joking

01:26:37.380 bro

01:26:37.660 I'm joking

01:26:38.520 bro

01:26:38.840 it's funny

01:26:43.680 like I

01:26:44.100 actually I did

01:26:44.800 this content

01:26:45.340 back in the

01:26:45.920 day this is

01:26:46.380 like what I

01:26:46.820 blew up off

01:26:47.400 of remember

01:26:48.420 the n-word

01:26:48.800 video

01:26:49.140 I paid like

01:26:50.220 I played

01:26:51.020 black guys

01:26:51.480 on the street

01:26:51.880 no I didn't

01:26:52.380 even pay him

01:26:52.980 I was just

01:26:53.740 tweaking off

01:26:54.260 of Adderall

01:26:54.800 and I said

01:26:55.340 hey

01:26:55.920 punch it

01:26:56.660 make it look

01:26:57.240 like you're

01:26:57.500 punching a

01:26:57.920 white dude

01:26:58.420 while I

01:26:59.540 hold a dollar

01:27:00.100 and they

01:27:00.620 did like

01:27:00.900 five takes

01:27:01.620 the only

01:27:04.240 other reason

01:27:04.780 why he's

01:27:05.200 hating and

01:27:05.720 being such

01:27:06.060 a hater

01:27:06.420 is because

01:27:07.860 he's

01:27:09.640 like blocked

01:27:10.260 like trust

01:27:11.880 me I

01:27:12.240 know

01:27:12.420 all right

01:27:13.020 can't be

01:27:16.100 here with

01:27:16.460 you

01:27:16.720 based on a

01:27:17.520 comment you

01:27:17.960 made

01:27:18.360 so I

01:27:18.800 want to

01:27:19.020 ask you

01:27:19.340 about it

01:27:19.760 what

01:27:20.140 comment

01:27:20.460 it was

01:27:20.960 a comment

01:27:21.360 about

01:27:21.620 Reza

01:27:21.960 and the

01:27:22.220 Palestinians

01:27:22.720 about what

01:27:25.680 you felt

01:27:26.060 about the

01:27:26.480 kids how

01:27:26.820 they all

01:27:27.100 deserve to

01:27:27.500 be died

01:27:27.940 to die

01:27:28.480 because

01:27:28.720 they're

01:27:28.860 going to

01:27:29.000 grow up

01:27:29.280 to be

01:27:29.500 terrorists

01:27:29.960 well obviously

01:27:31.100 that was

01:27:31.620 clipped out of

01:27:32.360 context

01:27:32.620 I watched

01:27:33.580 what was the

01:27:34.200 context

01:27:34.500 no

01:27:35.120 no

01:27:36.120 that was

01:27:39.240 what it was

01:27:53.560 supposed to be

01:27:54.060 but I

01:27:54.280 was drunk

01:27:54.800 he's

01:27:57.240 backtracking

01:27:57.740 everything

01:27:58.020 he said

01:27:58.300 oh he's

01:28:07.700 not a Jew

01:28:08.100 his mom's

01:28:09.160 catholic

01:28:09.560 I always

01:28:10.800 thought he

01:28:11.060 was

01:28:11.220 oh

01:28:11.540 you know

01:28:14.840 it's funny

01:28:15.080 you guys

01:28:15.440 don't see

01:28:15.700 this

01:28:15.840 because my

01:28:16.080 face

01:28:16.300 can

01:28:16.460 is

01:28:16.540 covering

01:28:16.780 it

01:28:16.900 but every

01:28:17.380 fucking

01:28:17.780 clip

01:28:18.080 now

01:28:18.360 has to

01:28:19.220 have

01:28:19.360 this

01:28:19.560 giant

01:28:20.400 steak

01:28:21.000 logo

01:28:21.340 does this

01:28:22.700 annoy

01:28:23.040 anyone

01:28:23.360 else

01:28:23.700 am I

01:28:24.140 the only

01:28:24.440 one

01:28:24.640 like

01:28:24.780 I

01:28:24.960 just

01:28:25.240 like

01:28:25.620 fuck

01:28:26.040 man

01:28:26.360 fuck

01:28:28.620 it's

01:28:29.120 very dystopian

01:28:29.840 isn't it

01:28:31.560 what's

01:28:32.360 going to be

01:28:32.600 a community

01:28:33.400 after the

01:28:33.860 stequel

01:28:34.060 club

01:28:34.340 okay

01:28:34.720 huh

01:28:36.120 what's

01:28:36.960 going to be

01:28:37.260 a community

01:28:38.060 after the

01:28:38.540 stequel

01:28:38.720 club

01:28:39.020 okay

01:28:39.420 man

01:28:42.300 I think

01:28:47.300 for A1

01:28:47.640 straight

01:28:47.880 it was

01:28:48.240 called

01:28:48.860 the other

01:28:49.220 person

01:28:49.700 okay

01:28:51.980 according to

01:28:56.640 historical

01:28:57.100 formulas

01:28:57.620 Zendaya

01:28:57.900 is the

01:28:58.180 second

01:28:58.440 most

01:28:58.760 beautiful

01:28:59.220 female

01:28:59.700 celebrity

01:29:00.180 if only

01:29:21.600 he wasn't

01:29:22.020 lazy bro

01:29:22.660 he'd be

01:29:24.040 the perfect

01:29:24.660 pocket holder

01:29:25.780 for love

01:29:26.460 speech

01:29:26.700 wouldn't he

01:29:27.100 be the

01:29:27.360 perfect

01:29:27.700 side

01:29:28.040 I'm

01:29:28.240 joking

01:29:28.540 I'm

01:29:29.040 joking

01:29:29.320 I'm

01:29:29.460 joking

01:29:29.700 I'm

01:29:29.840 joking

01:29:30.100 but

01:29:30.420 we

01:29:30.920 could

01:29:31.040 make

01:29:31.180 some

01:29:31.340 fire

01:29:31.600 content

01:29:31.920 together

01:29:32.260 if

01:29:32.500 he

01:29:32.560 just

01:29:32.700 would

01:29:32.860 get

01:29:33.780 out

01:29:33.960 of

01:29:34.040 his

01:29:34.180 room

01:29:34.460 these

01:29:41.800 are

01:29:42.040 types

01:29:42.280 of

01:29:42.420 people

01:29:42.600 you

01:29:42.760 don't

01:29:42.940 ever

01:29:43.140 see

01:29:43.340 outside

01:29:43.800 you

01:29:44.240 do

01:29:44.440 guys

01:29:44.680 know

01:29:44.820 why

01:29:45.000 they

01:29:45.160 don't

01:29:45.260 go

01:29:45.400 outside

01:29:45.640 because

01:29:45.880 yeah

01:29:46.180 call out

01:29:47.120 those

01:29:47.400 pronouns

01:29:47.980 Aiden

01:29:48.480 tell

01:29:49.400 them

01:29:49.740 tell

01:29:50.600 those

01:29:50.960 queers

01:29:51.440 they're

01:29:52.120 going to

01:29:52.240 get

01:29:52.360 bullied

01:29:52.660 and

01:29:53.240 what

01:29:53.660 I

01:29:53.780 mean

01:29:53.960 is

01:29:54.220 if

01:29:54.900 somebody

01:29:55.300 is

01:29:55.580 trying

01:29:55.840 to

01:29:56.000 tell

01:29:56.180 me

01:29:56.300 their

01:29:56.440 pronouns

01:29:56.840 in

01:29:57.020 person

01:29:57.300 I'm

01:29:57.460 just

01:29:57.600 gonna

01:29:57.720 laugh

01:29:58.120 it's

01:29:59.820 not

01:30:00.000 gonna

01:30:00.160 work

01:30:00.420 that

01:30:00.600 way

01:30:00.800 I'm

01:30:01.080 sorry

01:30:01.260 but

01:30:01.420 it

01:30:01.480 does

01:30:01.580 not

01:30:01.720 work

01:30:01.880 that

01:30:02.040 way

01:30:02.260 and

01:30:02.800 I

01:30:02.920 blame

01:30:03.320 lockdown

01:30:04.060 for

01:30:04.320 making

01:30:04.540 people

01:30:04.960 mentally

01:30:05.760 confused

01:30:06.420 and

01:30:06.980 mentally

01:30:07.280 ill

01:30:07.640 over

01:30:07.980 they

01:30:08.080 were

01:30:08.160 doing

01:30:08.300 that

01:30:08.460 a long

01:30:09.100 before

01:30:09.420 lockdown

01:30:09.780 all right

01:30:10.120 debate

01:30:10.360 time

01:30:10.600 chat

01:30:10.900 ready

01:30:12.100 for

01:30:12.260 the

01:30:12.360 debate

01:30:12.720 Islam

01:30:13.940 versus

01:30:14.260 Christianity

01:30:14.600 who you

01:30:15.320 got

01:30:15.500 who you

01:30:15.720 got

01:30:15.820 Andrew

01:30:17.220 Wilson

01:30:17.500 just

01:30:17.680 text him

01:30:17.920 I think

01:30:18.080 he's

01:30:18.180 ready

01:30:18.380 yes

01:30:21.580 he's

01:30:21.820 ready

01:30:22.100 and

01:30:22.960 let's

01:30:23.240 see

01:30:23.460 if

01:30:23.880 Muscle

01:30:25.780 lantern

01:30:26.000 is

01:30:26.140 ready

01:30:26.340 you didn't

01:30:26.880 text him

01:30:27.120 back

01:30:27.280 yeah

01:30:27.380 let me

01:30:27.560 go

01:30:27.760 pick up

01:30:29.980 pick up

01:30:31.020 because if

01:30:31.440 if Muscle

01:30:32.560 lantern

01:30:32.800 is not

01:30:33.480 ready

01:30:33.720 then they're

01:30:34.120 gonna say

01:30:34.500 that uh

01:30:35.180 we're

01:30:35.400 running

01:30:35.620 and I'm

01:30:35.940 gonna have

01:30:36.140 to debate

01:30:36.480 and I'm

01:30:37.740 not prepared

01:30:38.600 actually I am

01:30:39.940 I am

01:30:40.420 I can do

01:30:40.820 it

01:30:41.120 but I just

01:30:42.380 want to

01:30:42.600 moderate

01:30:42.820 I just

01:30:43.020 want to

01:30:43.160 host it

01:30:43.580 but chat

01:30:44.880 who you

01:30:45.160 got

01:30:45.500 Christians

01:30:47.040 or Muslims

01:30:47.720 chat

01:30:48.220 Christians

01:30:50.220 or Muslims

01:30:51.120 W

01:30:52.900 Trinity

01:30:53.520 El

01:30:56.880 Christ

01:30:58.460 is

01:30:58.680 king

01:30:59.040 chat

01:30:59.540 numerology

01:31:01.460 Muslim

01:31:06.680 lantern

01:31:06.900 no

01:31:07.280 no

01:31:08.880 no

01:31:11.840 here we

01:31:16.920 go with the

01:31:17.300 running

01:31:17.520 allegations

01:31:18.120 ain't no

01:31:18.800 way

01:31:19.120 bro

01:31:19.680 ain't no

01:31:26.580 way

01:31:27.060 bro

01:31:27.560 the Muslims

01:31:30.520 are running

01:31:31.200 all right

01:31:31.960 okay here we

01:31:34.480 go we got

01:31:34.820 something

01:31:35.020 ducking

01:31:35.420 great

01:31:35.780 great

01:31:36.200 great

01:31:36.580 great

01:31:36.860 great

01:31:37.160 great

01:31:37.400 great

01:31:37.780 great

01:31:38.080 great

01:31:38.400 great

01:31:38.780 great

01:31:39.400 great

01:31:39.640 let me call

01:31:40.040 Andrew

01:31:40.260 Wilson

01:31:40.520 ain't no

01:31:41.340 fucking

01:31:42.060 way

01:31:42.400 boy

01:31:42.720 boy

01:31:43.120 ain't no

01:31:43.560 way

01:31:43.840 boy

01:31:44.260 boy

01:31:45.800 ain't no

01:31:46.280 way

01:31:46.580 boy

01:31:46.900 he probably

01:31:47.360 just saw

01:31:47.820 maybe it's

01:31:48.620 maybe it's

01:31:48.940 prayer time

01:31:49.380 or something

01:31:49.740 hey don't

01:31:50.480 say clickbait

01:31:51.140 don't say

01:31:51.940 clickbait

01:31:52.320 we confirmed

01:31:52.880 it earlier

01:31:53.280 today

01:31:53.600 oh let me

01:31:53.980 call Andrew

01:31:54.360 Wilson

01:31:54.620 let me call

01:31:56.020 Andrew

01:31:56.300 Wilson

01:31:56.540 call

01:32:16.520 shake

01:32:16.800 with

01:32:16.940 man

01:32:17.120 for

01:32:17.260 backup

01:32:17.600 brian

01:32:18.180 i might

01:32:18.560 text him

01:32:18.960 and see

01:32:19.160 if he

01:32:19.340 can do

01:32:19.580 backup

01:32:19.840 right

01:32:20.040 now

01:32:20.280 oh he

01:32:24.260 just

01:32:24.420 okay

01:32:24.720 okay

01:32:24.960 he texted

01:32:25.300 me

01:32:25.400 let's

01:32:25.540 go

01:32:25.820 he said

01:32:26.160 give me

01:32:26.380 a sec

01:32:26.760 let's

01:32:29.620 go

01:32:29.800 we're

01:32:30.360 saved

01:32:30.680 christians

01:32:34.120 are

01:32:34.320 running

01:32:34.760 is

01:32:38.720 are

01:32:43.460 there

01:32:43.660 w

01:32:46.840 islam

01:32:47.620 w

01:32:49.640 jihad

01:32:50.340 chat

01:32:50.900 r

01:32:52.020 chat

01:32:52.620 now

01:32:52.940 i'm

01:32:53.100 a

01:32:53.260 muslim

01:32:53.660 god

01:32:54.180 is

01:32:54.360 good

01:32:54.900 god

01:32:55.840 god

01:32:55.860 is

01:32:56.020 great

01:32:56.500 w

01:32:57.460 allah

01:32:58.080 right

01:32:58.340 now

01:32:58.620 in the

01:32:58.940 chat

01:32:59.360 all right

01:33:00.080 chat

01:33:00.460 all right

01:33:02.500 chat

01:33:02.940 jesus was

01:33:03.960 just a prophet

01:33:04.880 he wasn't

01:33:06.060 divine

01:33:06.640 how could he be

01:33:08.540 the son of

01:33:09.100 god

01:33:09.420 all right

01:33:13.460 chat

01:33:13.800 the age of

01:33:15.040 consent

01:33:15.320 is

01:33:16.140 whoa

01:33:20.480 whoa

01:33:20.640 he said

01:33:26.340 hang on a

01:33:26.840 minute

01:33:27.000 all right

01:33:27.320 they're

01:33:27.480 both

01:33:27.720 uh

01:33:28.360 i don't

01:33:29.940 know

01:33:30.280 i don't

01:33:31.740 know

01:33:32.200 yeah but i'm

01:33:39.420 moderating

01:33:39.740 gonna keep it

01:33:40.180 fair

01:33:40.340 okay

01:33:42.240 uh

01:33:42.480 muscle man

01:33:42.800 sir

01:33:42.920 trying to

01:33:43.160 connect

01:33:43.320 his

01:33:43.460 headphone

01:33:43.920 they're

01:33:44.220 both

01:33:44.420 like

01:33:44.640 they're

01:33:45.080 both

01:33:45.240 doing

01:33:45.480 technical

01:33:46.060 difficulties

01:33:46.440 right now

01:33:46.880 let's

01:33:48.660 see

01:33:48.840 is

01:33:49.080 all

01:33:49.260 you know

01:33:52.420 okay look at

01:33:52.840 this right now

01:33:53.160 there's 8.2k

01:33:54.100 watching

01:33:54.480 yesterday

01:33:55.160 i was grinding

01:33:56.300 with the

01:33:56.700 irl stream

01:33:57.300 and i think

01:33:57.640 we touched

01:33:58.040 6k

01:33:59.100 bro

01:34:01.200 yesterday

01:34:01.960 also ways

01:34:02.720 is better

01:34:03.060 there was a

01:34:03.920 security guard

01:34:04.400 yesterday in the

01:34:04.820 irl stream

01:34:05.340 and he saw

01:34:05.840 him like

01:34:06.120 filming

01:34:06.380 we're trying

01:34:06.720 to get

01:34:06.880 into the

01:34:07.160 club

01:34:07.380 and he

01:34:08.380 flashes

01:34:08.740 green light

01:34:09.280 right in

01:34:09.640 ways

01:34:09.860 his eye

01:34:10.200 and ways

01:34:11.200 like the

01:34:11.500 whole day

01:34:11.820 was like

01:34:12.200 after the

01:34:12.800 stream

01:34:12.900 like

01:34:13.060 blinking

01:34:13.380 oh my god

01:34:14.020 my eye

01:34:14.500 and i'm

01:34:14.760 like

01:34:14.940 this nigga

01:34:15.600 is trying

01:34:15.980 to

01:34:16.160 he's trying

01:34:17.440 to get

01:34:17.640 a lawsuit

01:34:18.100 he's trying

01:34:18.820 to get me

01:34:19.080 to pay

01:34:19.380 for his

01:34:19.700 lasik eye

01:34:20.180 surgery

01:34:20.500 huh

01:34:20.740 but today

01:34:21.320 he's fine

01:34:21.760 god

01:34:22.560 hummed

01:34:23.980 to love

01:34:24.120 for that

01:34:24.460 how annoying

01:34:26.860 is that

01:34:27.160 like i travel

01:34:27.940 all these places

01:34:28.540 and i get

01:34:29.100 more viewers

01:34:29.720 yapping

01:34:30.660 in the hotel

01:34:31.480 room than

01:34:31.940 when i go

01:34:32.360 outside

01:34:32.740 and try

01:34:33.060 hard

01:34:33.280 you know

01:34:33.540 how fucking

01:34:33.820 annoying

01:34:34.060 that is

01:34:34.460 super

01:34:35.900 annoying

01:34:36.300 bro

01:34:37.140 i don't

01:34:40.560 plan anything

01:34:45.920 for like

01:34:46.440 when i yap

01:34:47.120 for two hours

01:34:48.040 at desktop

01:34:48.520 like i'm doing

01:34:48.920 right now

01:34:49.240 i don't plan

01:34:49.820 anything

01:34:50.140 i don't

01:34:51.100 i spark up

01:34:51.780 and yap

01:34:52.120 you know

01:34:53.040 i do it

01:34:53.700 outside

01:34:54.180 all this stuff

01:34:55.000 i don't get

01:34:55.720 what you're saying

01:34:56.000 get what you're

01:34:56.360 saying

01:34:56.460 but yeah

01:34:58.060 glad ways

01:34:58.540 is better

01:34:58.880 glad ways

01:34:59.520 is better

01:34:59.920 stream earlier

01:35:02.920 for americans

01:35:03.640 what time is it

01:35:04.820 in america

01:35:05.140 right now

01:35:05.380 like five

01:35:06.000 stop ducking

01:35:09.380 sam

01:35:09.680 hey bro

01:35:10.280 samson

01:35:11.340 sam said

01:35:12.300 he was busy

01:35:13.040 until

01:35:13.940 for like

01:35:15.100 three more

01:35:15.660 fortnights

01:35:16.260 i mailed him

01:35:17.420 a pigeon

01:35:17.780 because he

01:35:18.300 doesn't know

01:35:18.620 how to use

01:35:18.880 discord

01:35:19.220 or twitter

01:35:19.620 we skyped

01:35:21.200 him

01:35:21.320 we skype

01:35:21.880 messaged

01:35:22.280 him

01:35:22.540 in 2024

01:35:23.640 we downloaded

01:35:24.460 skype

01:35:24.820 messaged

01:35:25.060 him

01:35:25.180 and he

01:35:25.320 said

01:35:25.420 he's

01:35:25.560 busy

01:35:25.800 for the

01:35:26.280 next

01:35:26.420 two

01:35:26.660 months

01:35:26.940 but he's

01:35:27.400 not busy

01:35:27.760 enough

01:35:27.900 to be

01:35:28.180 like

01:35:28.480 tweeting

01:35:29.180 you're

01:35:29.960 kissing

01:35:30.260 a stone

01:35:30.940 okay

01:35:33.760 he's busy

01:35:34.460 so he ran

01:35:35.340 all right

01:35:36.060 we're ready

01:35:36.380 to do it

01:35:36.680 whenever

01:35:36.980 muscle manager

01:35:37.840 said he would

01:35:38.200 do it

01:35:38.460 okay

01:35:41.560 and before we get

01:35:44.100 into the debate

01:35:44.580 i gotta be honest

01:35:45.320 bro

01:35:45.520 you know what

01:35:46.860 let me not do

01:35:47.320 the you guys

01:35:47.880 know the app

01:35:48.320 you guys know

01:35:48.780 the app

01:35:49.080 all right

01:35:50.480 and you will

01:35:50.820 said okay

01:35:51.200 i'm ready

01:35:51.480 sorry

01:35:51.820 and muscle manager

01:35:57.380 is getting

01:35:57.600 tight bones

01:35:57.980 i'll call

01:35:58.340 i'll call

01:35:58.720 him

01:35:59.860 hey what's

01:36:09.740 going on

01:36:10.000 Andrew

01:36:10.220 hey what's

01:36:11.840 up

01:36:12.000 it was

01:36:12.400 long time

01:36:12.800 no see

01:36:13.160 how you

01:36:13.420 doing

01:36:13.640 yeah

01:36:13.840 how you

01:36:14.060 been

01:36:14.220 can you

01:36:14.740 hear me

01:36:14.980 everything's

01:36:15.300 good

01:36:15.540 i can hear

01:36:17.120 you're a bit

01:36:17.640 lagged

01:36:18.200 not bad

01:36:19.220 but a little

01:36:19.580 bit

01:36:19.880 um do

01:36:21.880 you think

01:36:22.120 it's your

01:36:22.580 why

01:36:23.220 let me see

01:36:24.200 my camera's

01:36:24.800 lagging

01:36:25.040 is my voice

01:36:25.860 clear

01:36:26.120 yeah your

01:36:28.000 voice is

01:36:28.380 clear just

01:36:28.940 occasionally

01:36:29.340 your camera

01:36:29.800 lags a bit

01:36:30.400 oh okay

01:36:31.140 i'll just

01:36:31.660 it's not

01:36:31.980 bad

01:36:32.260 yeah my

01:36:33.160 camera is a

01:36:33.660 priority anyway

01:36:34.240 for uh

01:36:35.200 when we get

01:36:35.540 into the debate

01:36:35.920 muscle manager

01:36:36.400 is setting up

01:36:37.060 his headphones

01:36:37.600 right now

01:36:37.960 so but

01:36:39.180 how you been

01:36:39.680 you're

01:36:40.760 you know

01:36:41.960 what you've

01:36:42.340 been up to

01:36:42.560 you're you're

01:36:43.080 showing up

01:36:43.500 more on my

01:36:43.960 on my

01:36:44.280 algorithm

01:36:44.640 than before

01:36:46.060 like when i

01:36:46.480 first met

01:36:46.820 you

01:36:47.020 oh yeah

01:36:48.820 well are you

01:36:50.220 enjoying the

01:36:50.660 content sneaker

01:36:51.500 some of it

01:36:52.820 not all of it

01:36:53.500 some of it's

01:36:54.360 not all of it

01:36:54.880 not all of it

01:36:55.540 no

01:36:55.720 but i'm gonna

01:36:58.060 be a fair

01:36:58.460 moderator i'm

01:36:59.100 not gonna some

01:36:59.660 people think it's

01:37:00.160 a 2v1 debate

01:37:00.920 i'm just gonna be

01:37:01.600 here moderating

01:37:02.300 and um making

01:37:03.820 sure it's a good

01:37:04.280 conversation it

01:37:04.940 doesn't get um

01:37:05.940 you know

01:37:06.800 uncivil

01:37:07.900 gotcha no

01:37:10.240 problem um

01:37:11.520 and you're okay

01:37:12.440 discussing i guess

01:37:13.420 we can we can

01:37:14.040 talk about discussion

01:37:14.820 points but we

01:37:15.280 talked about this

01:37:15.800 earlier for the

01:37:16.340 chat that doesn't

01:37:16.840 know we said

01:37:17.920 that we're gonna

01:37:18.260 cover the

01:37:19.020 trinity and

01:37:19.820 the age of

01:37:20.200 consent yeah

01:37:21.560 so we do the

01:37:22.160 age of consent

01:37:22.780 first um he's

01:37:24.640 defense for that

01:37:25.620 and then trinity uh

01:37:27.480 i'm defense for

01:37:28.340 trinity 45 minutes

01:37:30.240 oh what do you

01:37:30.760 what do you mean

01:37:31.140 defense because

01:37:31.780 there's a weak

01:37:32.520 point no no

01:37:34.240 no so um so

01:37:36.560 essentially he he's

01:37:39.580 taking the position

01:37:40.560 on aoc the muslim

01:37:42.060 position of the

01:37:43.100 age of consent

01:37:43.820 i'm uh going

01:37:46.020 after that position

01:37:46.960 and then on the

01:37:48.400 trinity i'm taking

01:37:49.720 the position

01:37:50.160 trinity is true

01:37:50.900 he's going after

01:37:51.520 that position

01:37:52.260 okay and uh 45

01:37:54.340 minutes each topic

01:37:55.180 yeah you do 45

01:37:57.520 minutes or an hour

01:37:58.500 each topic's fine

01:37:59.380 uh let's let's do

01:38:01.200 45 because it gets

01:38:02.220 a little yappy

01:38:04.080 okay yeah

01:38:06.860 but yeah wait did

01:38:08.940 you cover the um

01:38:09.820 the moist critical

01:38:11.140 debate yet

01:38:11.780 i have not i was

01:38:14.320 i was starting to

01:38:15.120 cover it on youtube

01:38:15.940 but i was like no

01:38:17.600 no fucking way dude

01:38:18.540 youtube's gonna let

01:38:19.300 me let me actually

01:38:21.100 keep this up because

01:38:22.140 of the type of

01:38:22.860 language that's used

01:38:23.620 so i'm gonna do a

01:38:24.340 rumble stream and

01:38:25.840 literally just go over

01:38:27.200 the rumble stream

01:38:28.040 well what's the

01:38:29.200 daniel higikachu i

01:38:30.460 was able to um he

01:38:31.860 covered the whole

01:38:32.260 thing on his not the

01:38:33.940 whole thing so he

01:38:34.680 covered someone else's

01:38:35.520 review of it so maybe

01:38:36.600 that was why he was

01:38:37.840 able to keep it on

01:38:38.480 youtube

01:38:39.040 well as you as you

01:38:41.220 may know um some

01:38:43.240 content creators get

01:38:44.240 a pass and some

01:38:44.940 content creators do

01:38:45.980 not get a pass

01:38:46.740 why do you think uh

01:38:49.240 he gets a pass and

01:38:50.520 you don't

01:38:50.940 uh um well i'm not

01:38:54.800 sure i think that his

01:38:55.760 the content he makes

01:38:56.720 is pretty tame

01:38:57.440 generally

01:38:57.940 he goes pretty um

01:39:00.160 he's done debates on

01:39:01.240 the talmud he's done

01:39:02.120 deep drives on he goes

01:39:03.220 pretty hard on zionism

01:39:04.080 which just seems like

01:39:05.160 the most forbidden

01:39:05.700 topic on youtube

01:39:06.460 uh well it depends

01:39:09.620 on who's covering it

01:39:10.520 if leftists are

01:39:11.500 covering zionism they

01:39:12.440 don't seem to care if

01:39:13.460 right wingers are

01:39:14.120 covering zionism they

01:39:15.140 seem to care

01:39:15.780 do you consider guys

01:39:17.280 like uh uh daniel

01:39:19.180 higikachu you consider

01:39:19.880 him a leftist

01:39:20.380 no i wouldn't say he's

01:39:22.660 a left winger

01:39:23.180 yeah i don't think so

01:39:24.400 either

01:39:24.600 yeah i wouldn't say he's

01:39:26.640 a left winger but i

01:39:27.400 think he keeps everything

01:39:28.260 in the domain of debate

01:39:29.380 uh i couldn't tell you

01:39:31.220 like i don't watch a lot

01:39:32.100 of the guys content so

01:39:33.660 i'm not sure exactly

01:39:34.660 why um i'm not sure

01:39:38.120 exactly why that you

01:39:39.240 know he they they

01:39:40.200 allow that to go on

01:39:40.920 but i just don't take

01:39:41.800 extravagant risks on

01:39:42.800 youtube it's not a good

01:39:43.620 idea it's definitely

01:39:44.480 not that's uh that's a

01:39:45.480 smart move i had to

01:39:46.480 tell my friend um the

01:39:47.780 warner yesterday he was

01:39:49.360 uh he took a video in

01:39:50.660 bosnia he's like look

01:39:51.860 how beautiful it is here

01:39:52.740 there's no zionist here

01:39:54.160 there's no jews here

01:39:55.100 and i'm like you should

01:39:55.980 take down that video he's

01:39:56.920 like smiling like there's

01:39:58.260 no jews here like

01:39:59.420 definitely don't post

01:40:00.720 that bro and he's just

01:40:01.800 like laughing it off but

01:40:02.700 i think he was able to

01:40:03.540 keep it up but um

01:40:06.140 yeah i saw that i saw

01:40:07.380 that you were walking

01:40:08.160 down the street or

01:40:08.840 something and then and

01:40:10.200 you said something to

01:40:11.000 like a random guy and

01:40:12.100 he's like no that was a

01:40:13.860 different video that was

01:40:15.120 a different video yeah

01:40:15.940 that was yesterday yeah

01:40:17.120 yeah yesterday in albania

01:40:18.120 some guy just yelled

01:40:18.820 fuck the jews on the

01:40:19.800 street i'm like what the

01:40:20.680 and he doubled down on

01:40:22.280 it people are i did not

01:40:23.620 realize like the people

01:40:24.640 in the balkans are i

01:40:26.740 want to say based but

01:40:27.840 that's the well that

01:40:30.100 they're this you know

01:40:31.560 to have this much free

01:40:32.420 speech over here well

01:40:34.100 yeah dude well

01:40:34.720 judaism is anathematized

01:40:36.380 by the orthodox church

01:40:37.660 and the balkans very

01:40:38.440 much orthodox are you

01:40:40.020 are you orthodox or

01:40:40.820 catholic orthodox oh

01:40:43.420 okay okay okay um yeah

01:40:45.300 they don't like uh i'm in

01:40:47.820 albania they don't like a

01:40:48.700 lot of i don't know i

01:40:50.460 don't want to say that

01:40:51.200 completely but i've heard

01:40:52.200 negative things about

01:40:52.800 orthodox people here

01:40:53.520 there's a lot of like

01:40:54.700 there's a lot more beef in

01:40:55.980 this region um between

01:40:58.260 the faiths than i knew

01:41:00.020 beforehand well yeah

01:41:01.700 muslims and orthodox

01:41:02.700 don't like each other

01:41:03.460 it's the general rule

01:41:04.360 it seems like there's

01:41:05.760 more of an alliance

01:41:06.380 between muslims and

01:41:07.020 catholics but we should

01:41:08.180 all just be friends huh

01:41:09.140 we should all just we

01:41:10.080 all believe in god you

01:41:11.420 know we have uh we

01:41:12.860 both believe that jesus

01:41:13.940 is gonna defeat the

01:41:15.680 doll defeat the

01:41:16.520 antichrist so we're

01:41:17.760 that's what i think the

01:41:18.680 love speech community

01:41:19.260 should be about we

01:41:20.000 should focus on unity

01:41:21.640 more than differences

01:41:22.820 even though we're about

01:41:23.580 to go and talk about

01:41:24.380 our differences in this

01:41:25.080 debate you think you

01:41:26.660 think so i i think it's

01:41:28.420 more effective because i

01:41:29.520 right right now in this

01:41:30.260 debate it's going to be

01:41:30.980 entertaining i'm sure

01:41:31.700 there's going to be good

01:41:32.160 points on on either side

01:41:33.160 muscle lanterns ready

01:41:33.900 uh i'm in a sec but i

01:41:36.320 think both people everyone

01:41:37.200 who's watching this debate

01:41:38.020 is not looking to be

01:41:38.840 convinced i think all the

01:41:39.960 muslims are just like

01:41:40.820 they're watching it's like

01:41:41.900 the lakers versus the

01:41:42.860 knicks they're just

01:41:43.700 supporting their team i

01:41:44.660 don't think anyone's

01:41:45.200 gonna we'll see i mean

01:41:46.640 it's supposed to be able

01:41:47.480 to convince people but i

01:41:48.780 think people's root like

01:41:49.660 it's a sports game yeah

01:41:52.780 well i think um i think

01:41:54.240 people can be swayed much

01:41:55.480 easier through politics than

01:41:57.180 they can through religion

01:41:58.120 um they're more set in

01:42:00.820 their religious beliefs

01:42:01.640 and their political

01:42:02.220 beliefs that's why i

01:42:03.080 usually take um take on

01:42:05.540 political debates and not

01:42:06.560 religious debates i'm not

01:42:07.500 an apologist by any means

01:42:08.820 is this your first

01:42:10.800 religious debate it's my

01:42:12.360 first uh yeah it's my

01:42:13.440 first time doing entering

01:42:14.940 into the realm of

01:42:15.980 apologetics yeah oh this

01:42:17.540 is good did you see the

01:42:18.300 um the recent one with

01:42:19.380 uh daniel higikachu versus

01:42:20.820 uh sam dyer yeah yeah

01:42:23.220 yeah what do you think i

01:42:24.220 didn't get to watch that

01:42:25.020 i've been very busy i

01:42:26.260 thought that sam sam got

01:42:27.600 way way more points than

01:42:28.940 than they did uh but i

01:42:30.680 did think that they

01:42:31.260 avoided the topic of the

01:42:32.220 trinity yeah this is

01:42:33.720 that's why i wanted to

01:42:34.360 cover it in this one

01:42:35.040 because they didn't um

01:42:36.960 cover it all here i don't

01:42:38.020 even know what your

01:42:38.580 position is on the age of

01:42:39.480 consent because you're

01:42:40.760 you're pretty adamant on

01:42:41.740 discussing this and it

01:42:42.880 seemed like you agreed

01:42:43.520 with me on moist critical

01:42:44.600 but maybe you just think

01:42:46.480 that i destroyed him with

01:42:47.260 the the transgender

01:42:48.320 argument you know in

01:42:49.360 that comparison well i'm

01:42:50.740 not saying that i agree

01:42:51.860 with what you with what

01:42:53.500 you think on the age of

01:42:54.560 consent that doesn't mean

01:42:56.240 that i can't be objective

01:42:57.080 about who won or who

01:42:58.480 didn't win a debate

01:42:59.740 that's fair all you have

01:43:01.360 to do is have better

01:43:02.200 arguments it doesn't even

01:43:03.360 mean that um that i agree

01:43:05.520 with your arguments i you

01:43:07.040 just have to have better

01:43:07.800 ones okay let's add them

01:43:10.920 to the call i'm gonna i

01:43:12.120 think i have to make a new

01:43:13.160 one when i get them in

01:43:14.320 here let me see

01:43:16.860 all right let's see if

01:43:44.900 he's i'm gonna send him

01:43:45.640 the text yeah i'll set up

01:43:51.440 a 45 minute timer and

01:43:52.920 we'll yeah we'll keep it

01:43:53.700 free flowing that's what i

01:43:54.940 don't like about oh he's

01:43:55.820 not joining what the hell

01:43:56.680 you already know what

01:44:05.760 they're gonna be saying

01:44:06.260 right now

01:44:06.720 there we go

01:44:13.860 hey alaikum salam how are

01:44:17.400 you

01:44:17.660 alhamdulillah how are you

01:44:19.100 i'm very good i'm very

01:44:20.400 good um it's good to be

01:44:21.480 back in london

01:44:22.080 yeah yeah yeah i'm a bit

01:44:25.320 jet lagged but it's okay

01:44:26.320 you know this this course

01:44:28.100 thing always confuses me

01:44:29.500 because it puts me on the

01:44:30.640 opposite side you know

01:44:31.580 switch is kind of uh the

01:44:33.320 camera and i couldn't ever

01:44:34.280 get it to be normal you

01:44:36.260 know yeah reverses why do

01:44:38.200 you like your other side

01:44:39.080 better

01:44:39.360 no no it's just like because

01:44:41.400 i'm used to it because i'm

01:44:42.380 always streaming on that

01:44:43.340 site so when you have a

01:44:44.200 different size like just

01:44:45.340 looks confusing yeah it's

01:44:46.460 jarring but yeah yeah it's

01:44:48.700 good uh it's kind of weird

01:44:50.020 seeing you through the screen

01:44:50.720 again because we got to

01:44:51.580 spend uh quite a bit of time

01:44:52.580 together uh past couple days

01:44:54.320 bosnia was great i mean uh how

01:44:56.920 was your trip

01:44:57.360 it was amazing uh i honestly

01:45:00.740 love bosnia every single thing

01:45:02.700 about bosnia you know uh the

01:45:04.580 food amazing people uh some of

01:45:07.200 the best people i've met very

01:45:08.740 welcoming very accepting even

01:45:10.720 though they've been through this

01:45:11.980 vicious history uh there's very

01:45:13.880 well known the genocides that

01:45:15.040 happened etc so they're still

01:45:16.500 very optimistic people uh

01:45:18.780 beautiful country beautiful

01:45:19.940 mountains great weather uh like

01:45:22.660 everything was great you know

01:45:23.620 that's your complaints literally

01:45:25.080 uh so alhamdulillah i think you

01:45:27.980 enjoyed it as well that was my

01:45:29.700 experience at least yeah it was

01:45:32.020 great um all right for for time's

01:45:35.040 sake let's uh let's let's get

01:45:36.600 right into the into the

01:45:38.020 discussion slash debate yeah so i

01:45:40.540 want to i want to make sure

01:45:41.540 though that we're clear uh before

01:45:43.840 the debate starts that uh there is

01:45:47.120 a trinity portion of this and

01:45:48.760 there's an age of consent portion

01:45:50.200 to this we're starting with the age

01:45:51.640 of consent portion that portion

01:45:53.800 you're on defense and on the trinity

01:45:55.500 portion i am on defense i want to

01:45:57.220 make sure that we're clear on the

01:45:58.180 rules

01:45:58.540 well yeah uh we didn't really speak

01:46:01.820 about which one is first but i don't

01:46:03.420 mind you want to start with the age of

01:46:04.660 consent and we can can start um the

01:46:07.860 other other things is that we had a

01:46:10.000 bit of a talk when you called sneaker

01:46:12.280 when we were in bosnia we mentioned

01:46:14.320 one of the conditions to me which i want

01:46:16.380 to highlight is a insulting uh of the

01:46:19.260 prophet muhammad it is not something

01:46:21.840 that i would personally accept that's

01:46:23.660 a religious tenant of ours as muslims

01:46:25.600 generally that allah says in the quran

01:46:27.120 if you hear whether it is the verses

01:46:29.200 of allah or your religion being mocked

01:46:30.920 that you do not be present in that

01:46:32.180 place

01:46:32.460 so if uh so okay well the thing is is uh

01:46:36.200 like i told you on the phone when we

01:46:38.480 were discussing this because of the

01:46:40.480 sensitivity of how sensitive muslims tend

01:46:43.060 to be about this i need to be able to

01:46:45.300 openly and freely speak exactly what it

01:46:47.840 is that i think and why it is not

01:46:49.600 making an argument if you take offense

01:46:51.760 to that there's nothing i can do about

01:46:53.140 that but i'm going to speak freely in

01:46:55.340 this debate

01:46:55.840 yeah okay so it's not uh speaking freely

01:47:00.000 or not speaking freely you can speak

01:47:01.540 freely academically mention facts

01:47:03.180 mention sources mention evidences but

01:47:05.580 insulting and speaking freely are two

01:47:07.100 separate things

01:47:07.660 yes but the problem the problem is is

01:47:10.120 that these are subjective metrics and

01:47:11.860 what you subjectively consider to be

01:47:13.380 offensive i can't do anything about

01:47:16.260 like i could i can't objectively note

01:47:19.460 what would be considered offensive to a

01:47:21.220 muslim if i talk about muhammad i can't i

01:47:23.300 can't know what that would be

01:47:24.740 i'll give you i'll give you a few

01:47:25.860 examples for instance use uh cursing words

01:47:29.060 cursing slurs uh make fun of uh the

01:47:32.100 prophet's uh actions or behavior

01:47:34.500 specifically make fun of his uh looks

01:47:38.180 right uh these insinuations these types of

01:47:41.140 things is what i'm talking about you don't

01:47:42.500 objectively talk about facts you're

01:47:43.860 welcome to do that uh and i think you're

01:47:45.620 a very smart person so to say that you're

01:47:47.380 not able to distinguish between why is an

01:47:49.460 insult towards my i don't think that's

01:47:50.820 that's really true i think you can i'm not

01:47:53.380 talking about the muslims who go get

01:47:56.020 offended by anything you say i'm not that

01:47:57.940 type of person but when you get uh

01:48:00.500 insulting and malicious that's a very

01:48:02.820 clear thing that we both know what it is

01:48:04.660 it's not very clear and i'm not willing to

01:48:07.460 concede that i'm clear on what that means

01:48:09.220 because it is a subjective metric and what

01:48:12.180 you may consider insulting towards your

01:48:13.940 prophet may not be what i consider to be an

01:48:17.060 insult towards your prophet so this is a

01:48:19.380 subjective metric if there's anything i say

01:48:22.020 which you take offense to that is not on me i'm

01:48:25.220 not constrained by your religious tenants in

01:48:27.860 order to have interfaith dialogue i'm going to

01:48:30.020 i'm going to have to uh you know depend on

01:48:33.140 reason

01:48:34.100 and logic and and rhetoric and sometimes

01:48:36.740 rhetoric to even have dialogue you must

01:48:38.820 risk offense

01:48:40.980 again i'm not talking about me personally

01:48:43.220 and i give examples of what i mean by

01:48:45.300 offense you still say it's subjective and

01:48:47.460 we kind of go in a circle but it's very

01:48:48.980 subjective because

01:48:50.580 okay now you're interrupting me i didn't

01:48:51.780 interrupt you so that that should be also

01:48:53.460 important in this course i would let you

01:48:55.540 speak i don't mind but you also allow me to

01:48:57.620 speak and if we do in the discourse see uh

01:49:01.540 constant introductions and uh interjections

01:49:03.780 and interruptions then uh we'll start timing

01:49:06.740 the the discussion i believe that's very

01:49:08.580 fair uh other than that like every single

01:49:10.980 thing you're gonna interrupt when i speak

01:49:12.500 that's not gonna happen uh trying to take

01:49:14.180 control of the discussion something i can

01:49:16.100 easily do too but it just becomes and

01:49:18.500 nobody is interested in that no this is

01:49:21.540 the thing here is an attempt of you trying to

01:49:23.540 kind of make me do that but that's how i do

01:49:25.860 again uh the idea about the prophet

01:49:28.180 muhammad alayhi salam is very important

01:49:30.420 all right otherwise i cannot well let me

01:49:32.100 well here's the thing i'm going to get into

01:49:33.540 my opening statement here

01:49:35.460 and if there if that i'm going to risk

01:49:37.460 offense if it's offensive to you

01:49:39.700 there's nothing i can do about that but i'm

01:49:41.300 going to go ahead and get my opening

01:49:42.340 statement before we do before you do

01:49:44.100 opening statements um so let this do

01:49:46.900 each topic 45 minutes uh ideally we do it

01:49:49.700 free-flowing i don't really like the

01:49:50.980 timing but if it gets uh if there's too much

01:49:53.540 interrupting then we're going to have to do

01:49:54.580 timing but ideally it seems like we're all

01:49:56.260 on the same page that we're not going to

01:49:57.700 do that um muhammad alayhi do you want to

01:50:00.980 be specific like what would you at what

01:50:03.460 point where religiously would you have to

01:50:05.940 to leave the call because it would be um

01:50:07.620 we're not supposed to as a muslim you're not

01:50:10.180 supposed to engage in conversations where

01:50:12.340 it's offensive

01:50:14.900 yeah so uh for instance it's a very common

01:50:17.140 thing where you find christians and

01:50:19.060 atheists and generally using the word

01:50:20.900 defile continuously uh making uh as i said

01:50:25.700 slurs or just cursing words disgusting

01:50:28.900 individuals all of these things right

01:50:30.980 this usual cursing words that you would

01:50:32.500 use towards the prophet which doesn't

01:50:33.940 really add to the discussion right it

01:50:36.180 doesn't improve anything it doesn't add

01:50:38.180 any input towards the discussion that we're

01:50:40.020 having so what we're saying is criticisms

01:50:43.140 that does not add to the discussion you

01:50:45.460 want to have a talk about the discussion

01:50:47.380 itself and talk about the actions the

01:50:49.140 prophet did uh you want to describe these

01:50:51.700 exact specific actions it's up to you as

01:50:53.460 well which probably he would do that's

01:50:55.220 fine but to add your own kind of insults

01:50:58.260 with it and call him this and call him

01:50:59.940 that and he was this and he was uh that

01:51:02.820 no and to that extent then islamically i'm

01:51:05.300 obliged it's not even look it's not even a

01:51:07.300 choice right this is this is an islamic

01:51:08.900 tenant if the prophet or the religion is

01:51:11.620 insulted i'm not allowed to be present in

01:51:13.620 that place whether people like it or not

01:51:15.460 that's a different story it's not like

01:51:16.580 he's gonna have personally specifically

01:51:18.500 try to hurt my feelings right even if he

01:51:20.580 insults me i probably wouldn't care that's

01:51:22.420 like it's gonna i'm gonna laugh at that

01:51:24.660 but we're not talking about that we're

01:51:25.780 talking about a religious tenant now

01:51:27.140 which is to do with the prophet and i

01:51:28.740 also hope that we keep like good discourse

01:51:30.740 with one another because i'm not going to

01:51:32.100 insult him and so i hope that he doesn't

01:51:34.100 do that with me as well specifically and

01:51:35.700 personally no i made the agreement that i

01:51:37.780 would not insult you personally and i most

01:51:40.100 certainly will not um i i am gonna dive

01:51:43.780 into my opening statement if you consider

01:51:46.260 it to be offensive there's nothing i can

01:51:47.700 do about that

01:51:48.740 but i would like to get to stop having the

01:51:51.140 meta conversation i didn't make any

01:51:52.740 agreement to whatever subjective metrics

01:51:54.740 you might consider offensive

01:51:56.020 i hope that it doesn't offend you but

01:51:58.020 there's nothing i can do if it does so

01:52:00.260 yeah that's fine i didn't say you had an

01:52:03.220 agreement we started talking so we can

01:52:04.900 clarify this point right so we don't have

01:52:06.500 problems when we start discussing sure but

01:52:08.500 there's some things for instance right like

01:52:10.740 you say uh the word pedophile for instance

01:52:14.340 uh that has a distinct meaning and if it's

01:52:17.300 a key point to an argument to make this

01:52:19.780 claim and it's mapped on to reality

01:52:22.900 i don't see how how that's risking offense

01:52:25.220 to you if it's critical to the argument

01:52:27.140 structure that i'm making

01:52:29.220 this has a specific word it's a specific

01:52:31.700 meaning to the word the meaning could

01:52:33.620 specifically map on in this case to who

01:52:35.780 this person is i have no idea why i would

01:52:38.100 not be able to use that language yeah you

01:52:40.660 can you can use that language uh i

01:52:42.900 personally disagree that this is the

01:52:44.500 case therefore i consider it an insult

01:52:46.660 it's a discussion maybe that we're

01:52:47.940 having i don't know if it is or not but

01:52:49.780 generally you can say that's an act of

01:52:51.860 pedophilia you don't necessarily have

01:52:53.780 directed specifically to the individual

01:52:55.620 right i'm being reasonable with you here

01:52:57.300 i'm not saying don't use the word at all you

01:52:58.900 can say that's an action of pedophilia

01:53:00.820 that's it no problem you made your point

01:53:02.900 and then i would respond to that by saying

01:53:04.740 that it is not and then we can have the

01:53:06.260 discussion uh you can avoid using it

01:53:08.820 specifically directly at the prophet you

01:53:10.740 know that and that's the only thing that

01:53:12.260 i'm asking from a religious standpoint as

01:53:14.420 i said this is just a religious thing and

01:53:15.860 which is why i have well i'll do i'll do

01:53:17.940 what i can to mitigate from from your kind

01:53:21.780 of preference here um but that's that's

01:53:25.060 the most that i'm going to promise to do

01:53:26.820 i i appreciate that i you seem like a

01:53:29.700 reasonable individual so i hope we will be

01:53:32.340 able to have the discussion without the

01:53:33.620 issue he said 45 minutes i don't know is

01:53:35.540 that okay for you or what yeah 45 minutes

01:53:37.380 per topic or an hour per topic is fine

01:53:39.620 with me i don't care either way whichever

01:53:40.980 one you'd prefer let's do let's do 45

01:53:43.220 each and uh andrew does that sound uh

01:53:45.300 does everything sound fair and also also

01:53:48.180 is uh and what he's saying about like you

01:53:50.100 know too many times uh insulting or you know

01:53:53.140 like bringing up that word is that sound

01:53:54.980 reasonable

01:53:59.620 yeah yeah well yeah again i'm not my purpose

01:54:02.980 this here is not even to be insulting it's to

01:54:06.820 give what i consider to be credible facts to

01:54:09.460 the purpose of the statements and the

01:54:10.900 logical argumentation that i have formed

01:54:13.300 and the and that's the purpose of the

01:54:14.740 debate in order to have discourse because

01:54:18.260 we're dealing world debates are about

01:54:20.100 worldviews and paradigms and from my

01:54:22.340 perspective paradigm i do believe that this

01:54:25.860 that there's problems here with the man that

01:54:29.700 you consider to be a prophet that is part of

01:54:32.340 my paradigm it is part of your paradigm that

01:54:34.740 this is not true

01:54:36.420 and i don't know how we can have a conversation

01:54:39.060 about that without risking offense i don't

01:54:41.300 even think it's possible but i will try to

01:54:43.620 mitigate the offense if that's what the kind

01:54:46.980 of the key issue is here that sounds fair to me yeah

01:54:50.180 yeah yeah and i'm talking about intentional

01:54:52.580 insults and i'm not talking about things that i

01:54:54.340 might personally subjectively find offenses that

01:54:56.980 people generally what this is i'm talking about

01:54:58.900 okay about the 45 minutes if we feel like we need

01:55:01.380 more when we reach the 45 minute marks

01:55:03.460 please let us know because i think we may need

01:55:06.100 more time i may need sources to read it might take a

01:55:08.980 longer time and if we do you're okay with yeah if we

01:55:12.900 need to extend 50 minutes then that there's no there's no

01:55:15.300 problem okay all right so i'm good

01:55:17.460 if you want to start your opening okay

01:55:19.620 opening statement from andrew wilson

01:55:21.780 yeah so i've tried to keep the opening statement

01:55:24.020 somewhat concise that way i'm not gish galloping all over the place and

01:55:28.100 that way my opponent can take a single point at a time

01:55:31.460 i think that that's the fair way to do things

01:55:34.020 i also have a visual demonstration here

01:55:37.300 in regards to the idea of child brides and prepubescent sex of children

01:55:41.700 my opponent has stated and i'm paraphrasing here i'm not saying that

01:55:45.700 these are his exact words sex with a child is okay in a marriage

01:55:49.940 context as long as it doesn't physically or psychologically damage a

01:55:53.060 child though he didn't use a specific word

01:55:55.940 child i'm inserting this word because i think that under the criteria he

01:56:00.580 presented it would qualify as a child

01:56:03.860 though i don't think he owned the position opting instead to make claims

01:56:07.140 the semantics were incorrect i'm ready to defend those semantics i have a clip

01:56:11.780 here for proof that this is indeed what my opponent has said on this topic

01:56:16.260 which i'm happy to send over as soon as the opening is done

01:56:20.180 to give you an overview of the assert absurdity of this position muslim lantern

01:56:24.260 and god logic were attempting to argue the position of sex

01:56:27.780 with nine-year-olds in this case it's because god logic had brought up

01:56:31.940 aisha i am confident that god logic considers muhammad to be pedophilic

01:56:39.940 i am confident that this is true i'm not sure

01:56:43.700 what age muslim lantern actually believes aisha to be

01:56:47.860 however most scholars i've read in classical sources place her at about nine

01:56:51.380 years old it wouldn't really matter though muslim

01:56:54.260 lantern does or does not believe aisha's age

01:56:58.260 is this uh he does not need to stand by the idea that he believes that

01:57:03.460 all i need is that he's on record saying that he believes the age of consent

01:57:06.580 itself is just based around puberty with no real

01:57:10.260 clarification there as to what that means and we'll dive into that

01:57:13.540 but let us begin with some visual examples of what

01:57:16.740 this has to mean a prepubescent vaginal depth which i'm going to represent here

01:57:22.260 with this socket it's about two inches just so you

01:57:27.220 understand this is the average depth of the

01:57:29.380 vagina in a prepubescent girl and girls in early puberty

01:57:32.980 which really doesn't stop until you reach the end of puberty where it ends up

01:57:36.500 being somewhere around 4.5 to 5.5 inches

01:57:40.100 i have the medical documentation to prove this

01:57:42.980 the average arab's penis is about 5.5 inches i'm going to represent that

01:57:48.820 here

01:57:51.380 again we're just talking about averages i'm going to put these side by side so

01:57:56.100 that you can understand the distinction here you see he's 5.5 inches you see this is two inches

01:58:03.780 okay to express what this looks like in comparison it's very important that you visually understand this

01:58:12.580 in order for muhammad who i think definitionally would be a pedophile to have done zero damage to

01:58:21.300 iasha which isn't conforming with the muslim lantern conditions of quote not hurting the girl

01:58:28.660 in this case i would say muhammad's penis would only be able to be roughly

01:58:36.580 1.8 inches in order to not actually 1.8 damage this woman 1.8 inches

01:58:45.140 now the reason for that is because we have the medical documentation of what

01:58:52.980 is vaginal tearing and what vaginal tearing would be inside the wife he was anywhere even close to

01:58:58.020 the average as would cause severe damage so we either have to conclude the damage threshold that

01:59:03.300 ml is talking about here is much different than how ml presents it or that muhammad had a way smaller

01:59:10.500 than average penis i'm willing to accept either correction to further demonstrate the truth of

01:59:16.500 this claim you can find more info on this and the growth of the birth canal in adolescent girls

01:59:21.780 uh this is done by marquisa levelle she's a phd she goes further into why pregnancy at a young age

01:59:27.300 is generally damaging to a woman but it's also demonstrating the physiology in the difference of

01:59:32.980 canals and the difference in penis length the difference in vagina length when it comes to

01:59:39.540 people engaging with child brides she goes into various problems of the pelvis during childbirth for

01:59:45.540 prepubescent girls and here if you'll humor me i'm going to give you some highlights

01:59:52.260 again trying to keep this somewhat brief

01:59:57.220 the size of the birth canal is smaller in the first three years even past the first age of your period

02:00:03.940 then at age 18 years old that's why we have a standard for this by the way people pretend it's

02:00:09.220 arbitrary it's not arbitrary we have standards for a reason um if you even go by region this is true

02:00:17.220 basically all over the world this is true that prepubescent girls are still going through still

02:00:22.820 going through puberty and so their canals are growing properly uh at 18 only minor

02:00:30.260 differences are observable in the size of the birth canal this is important at 18 only minor differences

02:00:36.660 are between women um in any way substantial in the birth canal uh although girls with early periods

02:00:45.220 are appreciably shorter and heavier they're late matching counterparts at this age there really

02:00:50.500 is no distinct or huge variable difference that's why waiting until that age is usually a good idea

02:00:58.180 uh she goes into the various problems of this now to be clear my job is to defend uh or i'm sorry

02:01:04.740 to attack this position his job is to defend it okay um i i need you to understand

02:01:12.340 that i'm not going to go with any what about isms uh so if you say what about the christians though

02:01:21.620 it's irrelevant this is that is for me to defend in the next portion of the debate on the trinity

02:01:26.980 this is purely for him to defend the islamic position on underage marriage it is not to do

02:01:34.660 what about ism it is not to say what about the christians though what about them over there though

02:01:38.740 that's all logically fallacious argumentation designed specifically to obfuscate away from

02:01:44.180 the points which are being made which is the justification inside of the islamic worldview

02:01:49.220 for why it's okay to have sexual intercourse with girls as young as seven eight nine years old

02:01:54.740 why that's okay why that's moral from their paradigm i do not have to defend a paradigm here

02:02:00.020 it's not important that i defend a paradigm here it's only important he defends his the paradigm

02:02:04.900 i'm defending is the trinity in the next debate so he can ask whatever questions that he wants in

02:02:10.580 regards to clarification on what it is that i'm asking him but it is not at all pertinent in any way

02:02:17.780 shape or form whatever he thinks the christian belief on this is that is not what i'm here to defend

02:02:23.220 he is here to defend the islamic paradigm with that i'll yield my time okay muslim lantern

02:02:29.860 all right perfect amazing uh i love uh the the ending of his talk because it shows that how

02:02:37.060 hypocritical christians are he's trying to put a new condition that we didn't agree upon is oh you're

02:02:42.260 not going to mention christianity and that is not going to happen i'm going to mention christianity

02:02:45.780 to show how no no no andrew andrew we gave you five minutes uninterrupted this is for you guys

02:02:51.380 they didn't take a minute and he's already interrupted but i think it's fair andrew andrew he gave

02:02:55.380 he did give you five minutes uninterrupted it's it's completely fair for him to give his time in

02:03:00.260 his opening statement all right thank you for muting him because i didn't even speak that was

02:03:05.460 him he muted himself all right so uh he muted himself okay same thing all right great now uh

02:03:11.300 i'm going to start again while i was saying this is what we see uh christians trying because they're

02:03:15.140 running away you want to run away from the fact of all christian history church fathers what they

02:03:19.780 believed about the age of marriage or the bible says about the age of marriage instead of making

02:03:23.460 this a christian islam versus christianity which was the the the whole topic of the uh argument

02:03:29.060 he's trying to make it now no no just speak about islam no no this is the islam versus christianity

02:03:32.900 thing people watching you are christians they have christian's positions you might disagree you might

02:03:36.980 shake your head that's irrelevant i'm going to mention the point anyways for the benefit of the

02:03:40.740 viewers to see the hypocritical nature of the people who accuse the prophet of something that they

02:03:44.900 themselves are doing now uh you mentioned a few things which are uh i don't really need to deal with

02:03:49.780 very very low blows trying to you know instigate some sort of a reaction with the measurements and

02:03:53.780 stuff like that irrelevant not going to deal with that uh aisha according to the muslim beliefs

02:03:58.820 were not uh uh prepubescent according to the agreement of muslims that was not the case so all

02:04:04.980 of your argument about the prepubescent stuff doesn't work because that was not the case with

02:04:09.140 aisha in fact the prophet waited after he made a contract with her with her until she reached

02:04:14.260 that age in which she was then uh uh past puberty essentially is what we believe as muslims so your

02:04:21.700 argument is irrelevant again i didn't even see an argument all you did is just you said science says

02:04:25.620 one two three this is what we have with christians they don't present anything from their own faith

02:04:30.820 they just like uh with all the respect speak speak speak empty speech about okay oh this is what happens

02:04:36.020 when you have intercourse in this length and balance where's the argument is there is zero argument that

02:04:40.980 was presented so uh on the other hand i'm gonna present actual arguments now first morality is

02:04:47.380 objective in the belief of both muslims and christians morality sources from the creator in the belief of

02:04:52.500 both muslims and christians so uh the reason this whole idea of the age of marriage not age of consent

02:04:58.740 because muslims don't have an idea of age of consent that's a western concept we have the idea of age of

02:05:03.060 marriage and christians had the idea of age of marriage but uh it seems like it's changing these days so

02:05:09.380 this argument is not even an argument against islam in any shape or form and highlight why

02:05:13.140 first as i said morality is objective and it sources from god in order for you to claim something is

02:05:18.820 morally incorrect morally wrong you need to prove your objective morality i.e christianity in your case

02:05:24.740 and this proof that islam doesn't have an objective morality and then in which then we can talk is that

02:05:29.780 specific actual uh intercourse that happens whether that be before or after puberty whether it is right or

02:05:35.300 wrong where did you bring this objective moral claim claim as a christian you should find that

02:05:40.500 in the bible so i will wait for you uh to present me with your lovely evidences from the biblical

02:05:46.180 tradition but what is the morally age acceptable age for intercourse and if you cannot do that then

02:05:51.700 you're just saying your own personal subjective moral opinion and we don't really care about that

02:05:56.340 like just like anyone else's subjective moral opinion that's number one why this is not argument

02:06:00.900 against islam because you've not proved your objective morality number two a muslim can believe

02:06:05.460 now we talked about me on my belief which i can uh highlight in a second talk about the points the

02:06:09.700 things i believe in my position but that's uh not what we're discussing now i'll present it anyways it

02:06:15.140 doesn't matter uh a muslim can believe i'm talking i'm muslim i'm not talking about myself now a muslim

02:06:20.420 can believe the age of aisha uh was different than what we say uh contract at six and consummation at nine

02:06:26.260 a muslim can believe a different number why a muslim can believe a different number and can still be a

02:06:31.460 muslim because this is not an article of faith issue we have six articles of faith as muslims number

02:06:37.060 seven is not the age of aisha we don't have that so uh an information about a prophet of the uh an

02:06:42.900 information about the wife of the prophet is not essential to the belief and the creed of a muslim

02:06:48.180 if he wanted to say okay i don't this specific report i believe it otherwise he's not going to be a

02:06:53.700 non-muslim therefore it's not an argument against islam you're arguing a bit about against something

02:06:58.500 that is not a creedal issue in the muslim faith to begin with so it's irrelevant uh it's irrelevant

02:07:03.940 arguments are losing debate from the beginning for you there are many muslims who do believe or there

02:07:08.100 are muslims some muslims who do believe otherwise that her age is not specifically that and they talk

02:07:12.740 about how the ages the date of birth was not recorded as it is recorded today they have his hospitals

02:07:17.700 and writing the names and this and that the so the numbers and the ages and the date of birth was not as

02:07:22.580 accurate as it is today however i hold the position that she was six with the uh contract and nine of

02:07:29.220 the conservation that's my position but i'm making a more important point now which is that it is not

02:07:34.100 arguing against islam because i can still believe otherwise and be a muslim and therefore that it's not

02:07:38.980 an argument against the religion of islam because you're attacking something that is not a core foundation

02:07:42.900 the third reason that does not disqualify uh does not argue against islam is because that does not

02:07:49.300 disqualify prophet muhammad from being a prophet with the christian biblical standards objective

02:07:52.820 morality of christianity you have prophets in the old testament sleeping with their own daughters you

02:07:56.420 have prophets committing polytheism you have uh prophets killing and committing a door adultery and

02:08:01.700 they'll start consider prophets of god according to the christian narrative in fact you have uh isaac

02:08:06.500 and rebecca isaac marrying rebecca at the age of 40 and she was three or all the way from three to ten you

02:08:11.540 can choose whichever one you like and i can demonstrate that with evidences if you like you're welcome to ask and i'll give you

02:08:17.140 sources and reasons and evidences for that so we have already an example of someone who did that was

02:08:21.220 not uh debunked or uh criticized by god or corrected by god so in reality uh you don't have any objective

02:08:28.980 source to claim that this specific action is wrong i'm waiting for that objective source which is should

02:08:33.700 be the bible or a divine revelation in which morality sources from so that is the first thing that i'm

02:08:38.900 gonna say uh the second thing that i'm gonna jump into is uh my specific position what is my specific

02:08:45.380 position my specific position because you would like to know my specific position so i'll i'll

02:08:49.860 make it concisely in points and then perhaps maybe i'll let you come in because i don't want to take

02:08:53.940 a very very long uh segment okay my position is the following islam allows uh marriage there is no sex

02:09:01.380 or or intercourse or any of that before marriage so we don't have the idea of age of consent we have the

02:09:06.660 idea of marriage does not allow intercourse before marriage as christianity but people do not keep to

02:09:11.220 that the second thing is a kid because you have not defined and i would like your definition of

02:09:16.660 the word uh pedophile and the your definition of the word child and when is an act considered pedophilia

02:09:22.020 why is it the exact specific age in which you would consider pedophilia and then you would give me the

02:09:26.100 objective morality for why where you came with these numbers from right hopefully not just your

02:09:30.420 subjective opinion so uh second thing a kid is someone who's under puberty and adult is someone who's gone

02:09:36.340 through puberty uh in marriage in islam it has to be with the agreement of the father there's

02:09:43.060 something called the wali in islam is the guardian of the girl and without his agreement any marriage

02:09:48.500 in islam is void prophet he said there is no marriage without the agreement and the blessing

02:09:54.020 of the wali i.e the guardian in this case the father right so this is our position any marriage without the

02:09:59.700 agreement of the father is boy let's let andrew respond i think there was a lot of points there um if you

02:10:04.820 could wrap up this last one so we could let him respond all right i'll make number four i've got

02:10:09.780 like four and five i don't know if he wants all of them or not but i'll just make number four

02:10:13.780 if there is any type of harm uh on both the husband or the wife the marriage is haram islamic any type of

02:10:20.100 harm that is established with evidence is good proof so if we were to accept and this is why i'm gonna

02:10:25.140 shatter his whole argument right now in a second if we were to accept his argument that there was a

02:10:29.460 scientific harm on a specific age of a girl that we can establish then islamically that is haram and not

02:10:34.260 allowed and therefore you have no argument there okay i'll give him now uh the floor as they say

02:10:39.780 okay so unfortunately we have to go back to the meta here for just a second have a meta

02:10:43.220 conversation about the debate so the the trinity is a christian doctrine it's not a muslim doctrine

02:10:49.460 so i would be on defense for that portion so for me to say what about what muslims believe though

02:10:55.460 has nothing to do with the trinity so because it has nothing to do with the trinity in good faith

02:11:00.260 i would just simply defend the logical position of the trinity what he's doing is engaging in i have

02:11:06.580 to do what about isms in order to defend my worldview also even if i was immoral had no moral paradigm

02:11:12.740 whatsoever and completely didn't believe in any sort of higher power nor objective morality i could

02:11:18.740 still be able to prove inconsistencies in your moral worldview sir so if it's inconsistent from your

02:11:24.900 worldview and you advocate that it is indeed moral i could still prove that without having any

02:11:30.500 objective standard for morals at all why do you understand that right you understand how debates

02:11:34.820 work you have a proposition my job is to falsify the proposition i don't have to give you a counter

02:11:40.020 proposition i don't have to give you a counter worldview totally unnecessary just like with the trinity

02:11:45.300 a secularist is able to falsify the trinity just as well as an islamicist is

02:11:49.460 do you get that so can we have the debate now uh you'd like me to speak uh i disagree with the

02:11:57.620 notions that you've made i've not made a proposition for you to review anyways i was just literally

02:12:01.940 giving my position a minute ago i didn't even finish it because of the timing so i did not give a

02:12:06.340 proposition uh you highlighting you've not highlighted inconsistencies you mention harm and i've already

02:12:10.660 told you there's a general rule in islam if there is harm it's not allowed therefore your argument

02:12:14.820 falls apart it's irrelevant so that's not an inconsistency that you've provided talked about

02:12:19.220 specifically about the prophet's marriage we haven't gotten into the debate yet i want you i

02:12:22.740 need the agreement first that i don't that it's not necessary for me to appeal okay can you tell

02:12:29.380 me why it would be necessary for me to have an objective moral stance or give you one in order

02:12:34.900 to find inconsistencies or refute whether or not inside your own ideology this is permitted by

02:12:40.340 your own logic can you explain that to me you'll know how logic works yes i'm going to repeat

02:12:45.140 myself again this is a debate between muslims and christians islamic christian you're making

02:12:48.740 this is a debate on a specific proposition of the age of consent in islam i was very specific about

02:12:54.820 it okay now you're interrupting again i'll allow you to speak you allow me to speak well it's necessary

02:12:59.300 for us to come to everyone who watches this and everyone who watches this i believe including the

02:13:04.580 sneaker who brought you for this discussion believes that this is the islam versus christianity

02:13:08.820 thing if it's not there is no point of having it the only reason i'm having this discussion you can't

02:13:12.340 defend the position i respond did you like me to respond or you want to interrupt me with me

02:13:16.180 just maybe responding the reason is very simple the only reason i'm having this discussion anyways

02:13:20.500 is because when we have discussions about islam with christians we get the uh comment trolls in

02:13:26.340 sneaker's community saying why don't you discuss or debate with someone who is knowledgeable so

02:13:30.340 that's the whole reason we brought that as it brought you specifically as a representation of

02:13:33.780 christianity when i checked your twitter you have christian there so this is a christian versus

02:13:37.780 muslim thing if it's not if you're an atheist as you said and you don't even understand the problem

02:13:41.940 with being an atheist and arguing for that position then your morality is subjective and if your morality

02:13:46.100 is subjective then i can simply say i disagree with your subjective morality i don't need to convince

02:13:51.060 you with anything if you're coming with objective morality and that is the position unless you disagree

02:13:55.060 that morality sources from god you're making a moral you can still have objective you can still have

02:14:00.020 inconsistencies in objective morals listen you can still have you can still have inconsistencies

02:14:07.380 even if you believe morality is objective logic i agree okay great so then all we need here is the

02:14:13.780 proposition all we need here is a proposition that's it can you give us a single all i want is a proposition

02:14:20.500 from you that just clarifies that the age of consent in islam does not exist and that you're going to defend

02:14:28.260 the age of consent and when it's appropriate to have sex with with uh you know people under the age of

02:14:34.100 whatever uh that's all i need i just need the the prop from you and regardless of what my moral

02:14:39.460 stance is you're in defense this portion of the debate you're defending your your world view here

02:14:45.620 i disagree i didn't say that this is what do you mean you disagree uh i'll tell you now if you allow

02:14:50.260 me to speak right okay interrupting me of speaking now uh this is not a defense attack this is a a

02:14:56.180 discussion about the idea of the age of consent that's what i agreed upon i did agree that i'm just

02:14:59.860 going to be that's illogical i'm going to tie my hands use what about i'm going to tie my hands for

02:15:03.540 you so you can no no no i'll tie my hands for you on the trinity i'm not using any what about

02:15:08.580 isms on the trinity you're welcome it'll just be purely my theology purely what i believe you can

02:15:14.020 purely attack it there'll be no what about islam because i have a proposition it's my job to defend

02:15:20.260 that proposition in that debate it's your job here to defend this proposition in this debate you

02:15:25.300 understand that well thank you for telling me my job but you're not the one who dictates my job as

02:15:29.780 i said yes that's how logic works sir again how does logic work do you know how you're not able to let

02:15:34.580 other people speak right you've got an issue like you you feel like i'm going to say something i need

02:15:38.020 you to tell me that you know how logic works all right i'm going to speak the way i want to speak

02:15:43.620 and let's say the way i want to say as i said you're allowed to show inconsistencies in the muslim

02:15:48.420 position i don't have any issues with that but to try to pretend i cannot talk about the christian

02:15:52.020 position it's just hypocritical i never agreed to that why is it i'm not going and i'm not going

02:15:56.340 to explain why that's hypocritical okay i'll ask you a question okay don't ask me a question explain

02:16:01.300 why it's hypocritical i'm doing that with a question no no no the question doesn't prove it's

02:16:05.540 hypocritical just tell me how it's hypocritical it does when when you respond to the question no it

02:16:10.100 doesn't it's you tell me how it's hypocritical as using the socratic method absent a position is

02:16:16.580 ridiculous start first with telling me what's hypocritical about me asking you to defend your

02:16:21.940 worldview paradigm without me having to defend mine i'll do that okay no i didn't say i cannot i

02:16:28.580 didn't say i cannot defend my worldview i said i would like to represent the christian hypocrisy that's

02:16:33.860 something i would like to do i don't need to do but i would like to show all of these questions just to

02:16:39.220 show all of these questions to show all of these christians how hypocritical they are when they

02:16:42.820 criticize and do that when it's your turn to attack uh that's well it's your turn to attack which is

02:16:47.700 during the trinity port why do you think no no why would they talk about the age of consent in the

02:16:51.860 trinity that makes a difference i'm not going to talk about the age of consistent okay let me ask you

02:16:55.860 this let me let me just ask you this instead here's here's an actual you know you're not allowed to

02:17:00.020 ask you you said you said i'm not allowed to ask you son you're not allowed to ask the question i'll just

02:17:05.060 explain it to you all right there is zero reason zero none none nil why it is that you would

02:17:12.660 ever need to use a what about ism what about them over there to defend the things that you believe

02:17:19.540 it's totally unnecessary to a debate in fact it's fallacious to do in a debate has nothing to do with

02:17:25.620 what we're talking about we're talking only about this one thing which is the age of consent in islam

02:17:31.700 that is the debate has nothing to do with christianity can you explain how that has a

02:17:36.100 fucking thing to do with christianity one thing tell me how it has anything to do with christianity

02:17:42.260 all right i've already done that but maybe you're not you're not listening first the only if the

02:17:45.860 only only word you know is what about ism it doesn't help i've already explained when you

02:17:50.820 mentioned a few things about islam i responded from my islamic paradigm like about the trees

02:17:55.940 about all of that i responded from the islamic problem i did not bring the bible but i can see

02:17:58.980 you're scared that i'm going to bring the bible and bring church fathers and what christians believe

02:18:02.740 which is why i'm going to do it because you are afraid of people seeing what christians have been

02:18:07.620 engaging in for the last two thousand years and and and and if and if i can't answer the question

02:18:19.460 i'm doing it right now and if the position of christianity was that morality sources from god

02:18:25.140 and the bible shows that you can have intercourse with those people who are under the age then it's

02:18:29.620 not immoral and you cannot attack muslims for something is not immortal for you it makes no sense

02:18:33.460 it's like me saying i believe x is perfectly moral but you you cannot do it you for you it's

02:18:39.140 that moral i'm gonna attack you as well that's calling that would be hypocritical that would

02:18:42.820 that's always good first of all saying that somebody are you so scared why are you so scared

02:18:47.300 first of all saying someone's a hypocrite's an argument from hypocrisy still wouldn't prove your

02:18:51.300 claim is true even if my claim was not that's one two two uh you're also engaging in a too quick or

02:18:57.380 a two-quote quay fallacy what about you has nothing to do with the argument you're here to defend the

02:19:02.420 age of consent of islam now can you do that or can you not and i'm going to reclaim all 45 minutes

02:19:08.580 because we've been having this meta conversation are you able to do that or are you not able to do

02:19:13.620 that okay but before you before you respond because this is uh now it seems like we're still um trying

02:19:19.540 to figure out the stipulations of the debate i don't think it's worthwhile to to go back on the time

02:19:24.420 but so i wasn't sure i was under the to the debate sure that happened we're not going to go back on

02:19:30.900 the time he just wants to wait before you respond to engage in the debate yeah we're going back on

02:19:36.740 the time yeah absolutely i'm not going to let you cheat i'm not going to let you cheat oh you're the

02:19:40.740 one cheating now what makes the time in a conversation because you have said it's so sad

02:19:46.260 really so sad what you're trying to do okay hold on hold on before you respond let's let's go back

02:19:51.700 to the hold on andrew andrew andrew logic let's stop uh let's stop the the crosstalk for five

02:19:56.980 seconds okay i i was under the impression that it was going to be islam the christian position versus

02:20:01.940 the islam position but if you if you don't post there is a christian position versus there's just

02:20:07.300 the christian position of the trinity yeah well we're getting we're gonna get into that we'll get

02:20:11.940 into that okay it's the position can you let the house speak please can you let the host finish what

02:20:16.660 he said the host just asked me a question no i wasn't asking a question he didn't he didn't ask

02:20:21.300 you he just said he didn't ask you a question i wasn't asking a question oh but i want to establish

02:20:25.140 that i think that uh muslim lantern i'll ask you a question if you are okay um defending the age of

02:20:30.820 consent position of islam um without you know are you okay with it not being it's just

02:20:37.060 argumentation just defending it and not talking about christian is that what you do do you want

02:20:42.820 him to to not debate islam without bringing up christianity andrew yeah well his job is to defend

02:20:48.820 the islamic position not to his what about isms are meaningless to me i just want the defense of

02:20:54.980 the islamic position i'll give him the defense of the trinity from the christian position i won't

02:20:59.380 bring up islam at all it's totally irrelevant to the debate whether or not uh the trinity is logical

02:21:04.260 illogical or whatever has nothing to do with islam why would it ever have anything to do with

02:21:09.220 islam he never presented a case for why it would be that he would need to bring uh any christian faith

02:21:15.140 or any group any hindu faith any any indian faith any satanic faith none of that would be necessary

02:21:22.500 for him to demonstrate and defend his position on the age of consent you do you understand that muslim

02:21:29.620 lantern or not all right so i'm going to speak uninterrupted as i allow you to speak uninterrupted

02:21:36.420 that's what happens with christians when you discuss with them they turn liberal they turn

02:21:39.540 atheist oh i'm atheist now please don't mention christianity because if you mention you're going

02:21:43.620 to expose my hypocrisy you're going to expose i'm accusing you of something that actually exists

02:21:47.620 within christianity so please please just talk about islam it's not only you know christianity please

02:21:52.340 so we're not going to do that we're not going to let you hide behind the bush we're not going to let you try

02:21:56.580 to pretend as if this is just an islam thing it's not in your portion you've made that condition upon

02:22:01.540 yourself that you don't want to mention anything to do with the trinity in islam there's no trinity in

02:22:04.580 islam so there's nothing to mention whether you want to mention or you don't want to mention that's

02:22:08.340 up to you you want to bring verses of the quran which you think the trinity exists in you like to

02:22:12.340 do that you're welcome to do that if you want to bring anything about the trinity from islamic point

02:22:16.100 of view i'm more look i'll give you all the whole floor do it but to try to pretend i'm not going to

02:22:20.580 bring christian because i have i have here a long history which i'm going to present because i was actually

02:22:26.580 collecting it in the last few hours of church fathers and their positions of the age of consent

02:22:33.380 on the whole christian history and the bible uh age and uh position of the age of marriage and age of

02:22:39.380 consent which shows and demonstrates the incomplete complete the complete hypocrisy of the christians

02:22:45.460 when they try to speak about the muslim position of prophet muhammad or any of that he mentioned certain

02:22:49.700 points about islam i've already responded from some position so i'm going to do two things i'm going to do

02:22:53.300 the way he's asking which is to respond why there is no inconsistency in the muslim position number

02:22:58.420 two i'm going to highlight that this is actually the christian position whatever he's critiquing

02:23:02.020 is his own position and he doesn't want me to do that because he's scared because he knows that's

02:23:06.100 a fact that that's a reality which is why he's trying to hold me into speaking about this or that

02:23:09.940 i didn't tell him to talk about this or that all the agreement walls you talk about islam in the way

02:23:15.620 i'll just ask a simple simple question on the meta side of this before we reclaim the time and yes

02:23:20.020 i'm reclaiming the time because we haven't even had the debate i need to ask specifically why is it

02:23:25.700 necessary for you to have a straw man or for you to bring up and a very simple answer to this would

02:23:31.380 be great can you explain to me why it's actually necessary for you to point to any group other than

02:23:39.460 your own to defend your group's position why is that actually necessary in a logical debate why

02:23:46.500 again i said to you i'll say it simply i'm not saying i want you to respond to necessary and

02:23:52.820 that's all i'm about to say i didn't say it was necessary i said i would love it i i said i would

02:23:57.940 like to do that to highlight hypocrisy which is very important now you are asking me the question i'm

02:24:03.620 responding to you making a moral argument i don't think you don't i understand objective subjective

02:24:07.540 morality is it seems like you don't know you you coming and keep mentioning uh logic and fantasies but

02:24:11.780 you don't understand a simple thing as that the age of consent or marriage or whatever it is if

02:24:16.660 you want to claim something is immoral or moral you need to have an objective justification for that

02:24:21.780 as i said and as nico mentioned he was under the impression i believe all the viewers are that this

02:24:25.620 is the islam versus christianity thing and he can do a poll and show how you're incorrect and there is

02:24:30.180 the position of everyone watching this except yourself somehow so if this is an islam versus christianity

02:24:35.140 i would i'm going to show the christian position simply and you're welcome to show the islamic

02:24:39.460 position critique it and show inconsistencies that i'm welcome to respond to that i'm not going to

02:24:43.620 like allow now all of the hours i spent on bringing sources showing your christian history of position

02:24:48.420 i'll okay i'm not going to mention any of that that's not going to happen i'm going to mention

02:24:51.940 what i want to mention about christianity and in your portion in the trinity you welcome to mention

02:24:56.260 whatever you want about islam okay that's not strong man i disagree with you i've already responded

02:25:00.900 i'm sorry when was this debate ever discussed as being a debate on the age of consent in christianity

02:25:06.820 versus the age of consent in islam it was specifically stated as the age of consent in

02:25:11.460 islam i was on the phone with you and you said you would do that debate

02:25:18.420 i didn't say age of consent in christianity and islam i'm saying to you christian versus muslim thing

02:25:22.660 so christianity has the same thing that's the same thing and i'm telling you how is the same thing now

02:25:28.100 christianity has a position that position comes from where it comes from the bible because christians take

02:25:33.380 their beliefs from the bible they take their divine positions of morality from the bible so if you want

02:25:38.180 to make a moral claim to do this on behalf of your perspective again i'm finishing it now i'm finishing

02:25:43.060 it now if you are going to argue for the age of consent from andrew wilson's perspective i'm not

02:25:48.740 interested in that i'm interested in the christian position because this is a discussion that is to

02:25:52.580 do with two billion muslims two billion christians it's not about you and me you might think you might

02:25:56.260 have some egoism you might have some egoism you might have some egoism you might have some egoism

02:25:59.860 hold on hold on let's not do the interruptions there's too many interruptions yeah you might

02:26:04.020 think that you have some egoism and believe that like you're that important that everyone needs

02:26:07.300 to listen to your subjective position or morality debate dude i'm not interested no i agreed for

02:26:12.340 it it's time for christianity i've said that three times so show me where that was ever stated

02:26:17.060 anywhere and now no we're saying it now if you disagree with that you're saying it now are you just

02:26:21.220 going to make it up now because you have to use straw mans for your argumentation i was under that

02:26:24.900 impression uh sneak was under that impression i responded multiple times telling you the whole

02:26:29.380 point i'm discussing with you okay let me let me uh let me step in let me step in i i have to admit

02:26:37.060 like i'm trying to be as fair as possible the reason that i wanted to set this up is because uh your

02:26:41.540 youtube name is the paleo christian if i'm mistaken and your youtube name is the muslim lantern so i was

02:26:46.660 under the impression that i was gonna if we're gonna go in uh and argue the age of consent that it would

02:26:51.060 come from a christian perspective and a muslim perspective that is the name of both of your channels

02:26:55.140 and that's what i thought that's not the name of my channel my my twitter handles paleo christ gone

02:27:00.820 my channel is called the crucible but that's why it says it on the hat but on top of that just so you

02:27:06.500 understand if you're if you're ever going to host debates in the future right basic this is basic

02:27:11.700 logic 101 he has a position he has a proposition he defends the position the proposition him ever stating

02:27:18.580 anything about what some other group believes or some other proposition that's not his proposition

02:27:23.540 always going to be irrelevant to a debate has nothing at all to do with the debate

02:27:27.540 it's a what about ism and all it does is drain the clock so that you can't ask your questions

02:27:32.020 i would never do that to him on the trinity never ever in a million years would i say oh what about

02:27:38.900 the muslim position for blah it has nothing to do with anything do you both now understand that that

02:27:45.220 is true we disagree with you and you know you're on what wonder what criteria could you ever disagree

02:27:52.260 with this when you let me speak you'll know but when you interrupt me when i start saying you haven't

02:27:55.860 made an argument you just prattle dude you do money you you just speak and interrupt with all the

02:28:01.060 respect like you've not really presented anything you've not even presented an argument we're still we're

02:28:05.620 having an argument we're having a meta argument about the debate because i need i need the terms

02:28:11.060 to be clarified so we can actually have this debate okay what terms you want to clarify what

02:28:15.620 terms you want to clarify just just one second uh you want to say one thing and then you can ask

02:28:19.220 him okay terms if you like in formal debates and people are welcome to go and watch that if you

02:28:24.420 want to have a formal debate a person has a time a person has a time there's a topic in your time you

02:28:29.220 can talk about whatever you want related to that topic what he's trying to do here as i said is he's

02:28:33.620 afraid of the position that i'm going to demonstrate and show the christian position on the age of

02:28:37.700 consent that he's tries to criticize the islam islamic muslims of believing whatever the number

02:28:43.220 so you can have time and you can speak about whatever you want to do and i will speak about

02:28:47.060 whatever i want to do if you don't like that then you're just whining and crying with all due respect

02:28:50.820 about what i can speak about i cannot speak about either have the discussion allow people to watch

02:28:55.620 your discussion and listen to different points of views or not that's your position that's up to you

02:29:00.500 what is marketing it's a discussion or marketed as a debate i was told okay let's have a formal

02:29:05.220 time then let's have a formal time you'll have your time i have no no no no we specifically agreed

02:29:09.140 not to have a formal time in this unless it gets this way in a debate unless it gets it i said that

02:29:15.540 they said they agreed to and i said that in the beginning you can rewind the video you can rewind the

02:29:20.020 video i don't care what you said here we set it up before we got here so we didn't set up anything

02:29:25.540 we didn't i'm sorry i'm sorry i could have sworn i got a phone call from sneko who said yes debate

02:29:31.300 this guy and i gave my terms and conditions one was that there's no timer two that the muslim age

02:29:36.420 of consent was a topic and that we would do that topic you agreed to that we're on that topic has

02:29:41.860 nothing to do with christianity that's just a way to eat up my time i need you to agree that inside of

02:29:48.340 logical argumentation it is completely unnecessary under all under all worldviews it's unnecessary for

02:29:55.620 you to ever bring any any other group or whatever they think or whatever they believe in to you

02:30:02.740 defending this position you have still not coherently stated why that is necessary just that you really

02:30:08.340 really want to all right now i'm not in the habit of repeating myself you just said the same thing you

02:30:14.420 said i'm not gonna again repeat the same thing yeah well can you refute it can you tell me why

02:30:18.180 it's necessary other than you just want to a few times i've done it a few times i don't need to do

02:30:22.500 it okay well then i'm gonna reset the clock and if you just bring up christian i'm gonna anytime you

02:30:26.820 bring up anything other than that's not gonna happen it's not just cut it off it's not gonna happen

02:30:32.500 well then yeah well then we don't have terms for the debate dude the term i'll give you the terms and

02:30:36.820 you see if you disagree you'll have your time i'll have my time you present your case i'll present

02:30:40.260 no that's not what we agreed to this is this is all done under false pretenses okay so you're

02:30:44.820 that's it just shows how you scared the part of continuing the discussion i'm being very reasonable

02:30:48.580 i'm saying i'm saying everyone has their own time he doesn't want to agree to that i know i know you

02:30:53.060 feel like you're being refuted with all the respect but it's okay you can have your time i can have my

02:30:56.500 time you can present you can present logical argumentation you can present your argument i can

02:31:01.620 present mine and it's as simple as that no you're you're literally saying i must be forced into

02:31:06.740 uh fallacious forms of argumentation where you're allowed to bring up things outside of the purview

02:31:12.340 of the debate to waste time that's totally unfair across the board completely biased across the board

02:31:18.100 nobody would ever agree to that in a real debate in a million years now can you explain why that's

02:31:23.460 necessary why it is that when i defend the trinity i'm not going to bring up anything other than the

02:31:28.180 trinity because that's what we're debating why is it that you cannot do the same thing here what would

02:31:33.140 the position of trinity have to do with the muslim faith nothing nothing at all zero zilch

02:31:40.180 yes or no okay well if we don't want to keep wasting more time because i i don't want to reset

02:31:44.340 the clock and do this again uh then we shouldn't keep on discussing the terms of the debate and we

02:31:48.500 should just get into the topic of conversation we have to have clarity on the terms okay clarity on

02:31:52.980 the terms we have no debate but we didn't establish that before that we didn't establish that he

02:31:58.020 couldn't bring up christianity that was never a point of discussion it was literally entailed

02:32:03.060 so i'm sorry the idea that uh that you say i want to debate the trinity that is us debating

02:32:10.260 this christian idea of trinitarianism has zero and you can bring up and when we get to that topic

02:32:15.780 andrew you could let me finish let me finish it has zero to do with anything except the trinity

02:32:21.380 when i said i want to also debate the age of consent the muslim age of consent that's literally

02:32:27.140 what i said this was agreed to what in the world does that can you tell me sneko you the moderator

02:32:32.660 what in the world does that have to do with christianity can you explain that to me right

02:32:36.180 but you can use that as an argument when we get to the topic of the trinity you can go and bring up

02:32:40.420 islam if you want to it's just fallacious time wasting if that's part of your argument then that's

02:32:45.300 part of your point of view is he going to defend the muslim age of consent or is this going to be

02:32:49.860 about what about them over there as well because it's not a debate that's

02:32:53.380 some something else but this guy andrew here's what this guy andrew is trying to do he's trying

02:32:58.260 to say look i've got no position i just want to attack that's what he's that's what he likes to

02:33:02.180 do anyway he thinks i'm going to need to have a position now he's trying to pretend as if uh him

02:33:08.260 being a christian does not have to represent the christian position oh don't mention my position which

02:33:12.820 is a christian position even though it's not versus christianity just allow me to speak of islam

02:33:17.460 please allow me to speak about islam don't speak about christianity because you're totally lying

02:33:21.540 of what this people are going to be shocked that's what you're doing okay brought the

02:33:25.220 brought the condition that we didn't agree upon in which i cannot mention christianity yes you've

02:33:28.660 never mentioned that agree to it yes we did i was on the phone we wanted to get the islamic

02:33:33.540 the islamic age of consent you said no i don't want to and i said okay well then i'm not doing the

02:33:39.380 debate you said okay then i will and i said okay if you will my understanding is that that's what you were

02:33:44.500 going to do that's a lot that's a lot you did no you didn't say that okay i said i'll tell you what

02:33:51.060 i said you mentioned the age of consent i said that's the topic that you choose i'll choose the

02:33:54.980 topic of the trinity there was nothing in our discussion which was like a few seconds by the

02:33:59.140 way because i we were not talking directly we're talking through sneaker there's nothing there is no

02:34:03.140 terms that you've brought dude that there is no terms no i was not on the speaker when you were

02:34:07.220 speaking the whole time with you when you claim that there is a condition that i cannot bring up

02:34:11.780 christianity that was never brought and sneak was just mentioned that to claim that this is the

02:34:15.060 case it's just a lie you're trying to bring that up now and enforce it so you can try to pretend that

02:34:20.500 you don't need to defend the christian position which is not going to happen either you're going

02:34:24.100 to speak you're going to represent your position which is a christian position as a christian i'm

02:34:27.300 going to represent islamism as a muslim or there's no point that we don't have a debate because you

02:34:33.380 don't understand the rules of debate or logical argumentation i'm not going to allow you to

02:34:38.900 fallaciously use whataboutisms over and over and over again it has nothing to do with the islamic

02:34:42.740 age of consent you've never demonstrated why it has anything to do with the islamic age of consent

02:34:48.660 nothing you just want to because you want to eat up time by the way that's very low tier and honestly

02:34:54.340 sir i'm gonna do that in my time i'm not eating nothing let's have time i'll do it on my time for

02:34:58.740 wasting my time with this low tier bullshit yeah you're gonna run away now right okay i said you can have

02:35:03.780 your time i said you can have your time why it is your prophet's a pedophile i'm here to write that

02:35:09.620 exactly that's what you're going to resort to this is the thing i said you'll have your time that's

02:35:12.660 what said in my opening i said specifically that your prophet's a pedophile okay now you said you'll

02:35:17.860 i said you'll have your time and i will have my time i can mention whatever i want in my time that's

02:35:21.300 not eating up the time because this is my portion you're trying to use silly excuses i don't know if you

02:35:25.540 even had formal debates have you have anyone ever seen a formal debate where people have time or

02:35:29.780 someone will join oh no no no don't talk about my religion and you can portion of the time still

02:35:33.700 have rules sir don't do that you can't use fallacy let's have an informal debate you realize that

02:35:39.860 let's let's have time and have a discussion if you don't want to do that then what we'll do

02:35:44.820 we'll reclaim the time 45 minutes on the age of consent let's start with this

02:35:49.060 how big do you think that uh that your prophet's penis was about the average size of an arab's penis

02:35:55.300 this is not this is this is a waste of time like there's no this is not a waste of time

02:36:01.540 this is necessary this was his character i think it's good it shows his character this is necessary

02:36:06.660 to the conditionals of my argument shows how much he's crying he doesn't have a discussion time

02:36:13.140 pertinent to the debate i'm asking him can you answer my question please

02:36:17.940 okay but as the moderator it doesn't make sense and there's there's no debate that makes sense if

02:36:25.860 you you can't attack a position without establishing your position you did your opening statement you

02:36:30.260 said that the problem and you don't know what the you're talking about you have no idea what you're

02:36:35.060 talking about zero new thing no clue what the you're even talking about all right he can attack

02:36:41.460 imaginary positions which is what he's doing essentially he doesn't even know my position

02:36:44.500 he's just attacking imaginary or sorry the muslim i'm literally asking you an opening question right

02:36:49.540 this second andrew we're not going to continue this if you can't be civil and curse and do this

02:36:53.780 stuff like especially if you're going to say we established in the beginning you've been this

02:36:58.900 whole conversation we've been trying to talk about the things that were established again before this

02:37:02.900 even started before i took down the timer you said that we weren't going to do the cursing and we

02:37:06.980 aren't going to get on civil like this i'm not cursing do you understand that what you just

02:37:13.220 saying means no that's cussing not curse to curse somebody's to actually curse them

02:37:19.380 okay he's saying the f word really sneeko the f word that's too much i can't say i can't say the f

02:37:25.460 word you can you could say what you want to say but this is it seems like this is a waste of time

02:37:31.060 i mentioned the prophet body part specifically for a reason and he exactly did what i said there's no

02:37:36.660 point that has none no relevance to the discussion uh but he would bring it up he would bring it up

02:37:42.900 something to do with the relevancy of whether or not you're going to have sex with it with somebody

02:37:47.060 who's not even reached puberty really here's what i think relevancy here's what i think because you

02:37:52.740 you're unable to allow the other party to speak for long is what you can have your time blocking bro is

02:37:57.780 you can have your time present your case i can have my time present my case we can do the same thing with

02:38:03.380 the topic no i want you to answer questions i've been courteous enough with you to allow you to

02:38:08.900 uh speak about your topic first i could have said let's talk about the eternity first and then refusing

02:38:12.820 to answer and the reason you're doing that that is the reason you chose uh the topic this specific

02:38:17.940 topic because what you want to do is to try to make me not talk about not to talk no no no you're

02:38:22.900 allowed to and uh we'll do that when we'll have a crossfire before we have a crossfire you're welcome

02:38:29.620 to have time you're welcome to have your time i'm welcome to have my time that's what we can do uh

02:38:34.660 other than that we can follow the terms of the debate that we agreed to which was no time limit

02:38:39.060 and you can answer my question does it stand to reason that's not the terms i agreed to that's not

02:38:43.700 the terms yes it was the terms you agreed to was to not have a time debate don't lie no no no no

02:38:50.020 no that's not true that's not true we said no hold up we said no timers back and forth but we did

02:38:56.020 agree that it was going to be 45 minutes each discussion 45 minutes for age you could sign 45

02:39:00.340 minutes for the trinity yeah but we're talking about a timed debate he's talking about having a

02:39:04.340 timer we specifically agreed not to have a timer because that's how you avoid questions oh okay i just

02:39:10.180 want to avoid actually answering the question now answer my question please would you say it stands

02:39:15.140 to reason that muhammad probably had probably had about the average size penis of an arab man

02:39:23.300 yes or no do you think so or not uh to respond anyone can go back and rewind the video and

02:39:30.100 show you're lying actually someone can clip that because i know you guys have a clipping culture

02:39:33.860 in which i said before we start before he started his opening statement i made it clear that if there

02:39:38.500 was interruptions and it's going to be uh uncontrolled we can have our each timing he never said i disagree

02:39:43.620 with this oh this is not allowed you want to rewind the video and then are they going to show that

02:39:48.500 it we are now he's crying now he's crying about it because he doesn't want me the conditionals

02:39:53.060 before we ever did the debate you don't jump in the debate and then create new conditionals dummy

02:39:58.580 that's not how it works we also we want to insult you we said we weren't going to do the insults

02:40:03.780 either it's not if it's true it is christianity that's not an insult if it's true

02:40:11.780 you agree with me there are dumb people in the world right right we said we weren't going to do

02:40:16.660 the ad hominem attacks andrew it's not an ad hom if it's true now can you can you please answer my

02:40:24.660 opening question can we actually get to the debate or can't we

02:40:27.540 i've made my position clear can i have time you can talk about you okay okay and then we can have

02:40:34.180 a crossfire simple question then here's my simple question to you do you think that it stands to

02:40:40.980 reason that muhammad the prophet which you worship likely had an average size penis

02:40:48.500 or an arab man do you think that that's does that stand to reason

02:40:52.100 we can have our timings and then we can do the crossover why are you answering my question

02:41:00.260 and i will respond to you once the timing is done and we go to the crossover portion

02:41:05.860 did d okay i'm sorry are you refusing to answer any questions that i asked you

02:41:12.420 no i'm refusing to let you as you think you're going to dictate the terms of the discussion that's

02:41:16.580 not going to happen and i mentioned that to you in the beginning you might think you're smart and

02:41:19.380 you can allow people to do you dictated your own terms i dictated mine i'm trying to do the debate

02:41:25.860 can you answer the question let's do the debate you have your time and speak no that's not my

02:41:30.820 time can you tell me when i do that no you know the terms before the debate which terms you agreed

02:41:38.180 that this would not be a timed response debate but an open debate i know i mentioned in the beginning

02:41:43.220 that if there is you can't change the terms when i get to the debate dude the whole point was that

02:41:48.340 there's no time responses if there's crossfire if there's interruptions and we're going back like

02:41:51.940 we can do the way we started the debate was fine open statement and then muscle mentors by almost

02:41:56.500 stable we can we can go this way but no we're not going that way we're gonna do what we agreed to do

02:42:03.860 he's just trying to dictate the terms you're not going to call dictating the terms when you lose when

02:42:08.580 you lose you try to dictate the terms that's what you do okay this is this is going in circles this is

02:42:13.540 logic dude what are you trying to lose we haven't even done a debate you won't even answer my opening

02:42:18.820 question mentioning the word logic doesn't mean what you're saying is logical right i know if you

02:42:22.580 mentioned a few times to try maybe oh really let me ask you a question can you even name you're not

02:42:27.220 gonna ask me a question you're gonna have your time i'm gonna have my time three possible logic

02:42:31.140 can you even name three laws of logic can you even name as i said as i said in the law of non-contradiction

02:42:36.820 the law of identity you want me to look look you don't you just what's the third one what's the

02:42:40.900 third one i'm not going to be i'm not going to be falling into i'm not gonna this is a such such

02:42:46.980 a childish behavior which just demonstrates how childish you are those i thought i expected more

02:42:52.820 i'm sorry you can't it's just a childish thing you know either you have your time i have my time or

02:42:58.660 there's no point or you're gonna run you know are you gonna answer my opening question question or not

02:43:03.620 so are you are we gonna have it now no we're not doing a timed response we're not doing time

02:43:08.820 we agreed not to do time don't lie and say we did neither one of you should be doing that neither

02:43:13.940 one of you fuckers should be lying and saying that you didn't agree to that because you definitely

02:43:18.100 agreed to it we also agreed to not do the insulting and not homes andrew uh but this seems like it's

02:43:24.340 going in circles here come on i call my friends fuckers all the time sneeko okay we're not friends

02:43:30.260 that's christianity yeah that's his christianity we're muscle lantern and myself we're not we're

02:43:34.740 not friends with you okay oh you guys are a bunch of puritans now you're puritans i can't say you said

02:43:39.940 the word fuck i don't know but you said you said in the beginning if you want to go on terms you did

02:43:44.420 say in the beginning you want to do this let's let's move on to the uh let me propose this as the

02:43:48.420 moderator okay uh we're going in circles on the asia consent we can return to this and it doesn't see

02:43:53.860 it seems like we have more agreement upon the terms of the debate when it comes to the trinity

02:43:57.460 not gonna do anything but the debate we came here to do man that's what i agreed to okay but we are

02:44:02.100 we've been going in circles for about 30 minutes if we can go to the trinity maybe we return to the

02:44:06.180 asia consent afterwards is that okay i would like i would like to finish i would like to actually do

02:44:10.020 this debate and i'd like him to actually adhere to the terms that he agreed to which is why i laid

02:44:14.740 him out so precisely no timing we agreed to that both of you agreed to it you can say you're not my

02:44:19.380 friend that's great but don't lie because you both agreed to that and so we're here i asked him a

02:44:24.100 simple question after we have this elongated meta conversation doesn't understand basic logical

02:44:28.740 argumentation that's fine but i asked him a simple question he can't even answer the simple question

02:44:33.780 that how's that good faith how's it how can we have a debate if he won't defend his position let's

02:44:39.220 highlight how he's openly lying over here and we can do that very simply use nico can on this uh screen

02:44:45.060 bring the stream and go before his opening statement where i explicitly told him that if there

02:44:50.020 would be interruptions that i explicitly mentioned that he's been interrupting multiple times there

02:44:53.780 would be time so it can be fair now we you're welcome to do that right now sneaker and show how

02:44:58.180 this guy is lying to his teeth few times now and this is the third or four or five fifth time he does

02:45:02.740 it you don't i explicitly mentioned to the debate and he did not say oh we cannot do that because we

02:45:08.100 were talking about the terms we were talking about uh talking about the prophet all of the we were

02:45:11.300 talking about terms we were agreeing on terms before his opening statement but now he wants to pretend

02:45:15.780 as if this was this was not the case that's not what was happening i came in and literally have

02:45:20.420 marketed this multiple times on my broadcast it's an untimed debate that's what we agreed to gave the

02:45:26.260 conditionals for the debate why i took the debate i'm a logical debater i'm here to have a logical

02:45:31.460 argument with you you're incapable of that you don't even understand the basic rules of argumentation

02:45:36.340 you think i need to have a position in order to to completely eviscerate yours not even necessary you

02:45:42.020 have a position here to defend i have a position here to defend you just refuse to engage with the

02:45:46.420 debate you also are now refusing to answer basic questions because you want to have some time back

02:45:50.980 and forth we never agreed to that ever it was never agreed to and i was even good faith enough to tone

02:45:59.060 down the opening statement that i had for you because your virgin ears can't hear any you know criticism

02:46:05.140 of your profit ridiculous so um that's it we're just i'm allowing him to exert his energy i'm not

02:46:14.340 going to do that and keep repeating he's saying oh you don't know logic he asked me all name three laws

02:46:17.860 of logic and then he couldn't you know oh you okay law of excluded middle there you go these are the

02:46:23.780 the three basic rules finally tell you what chat i don't have chat open such a lame i don't have i'm not

02:46:30.180 streaming how do i have chat to continue you know you see ha ha ha what is childhood behavior man

02:46:34.900 grow up i don't know how old you are honestly you honestly need to grow up a little bit decided to

02:46:40.260 change the terms when i get here yeah i'm understandably a little bit miffed by that you

02:46:44.020 refuse to go by the terms that you agreed to you don't understand i didn't agree with you on no timing

02:46:48.580 at all i didn't agree with that you did you did agree to that i said an untimed debate you said

02:46:53.140 absolutely you did agree to that i don't know if sneaker is going to tell the truth about it but you

02:46:56.980 definitely agree yeah but the the condition was unless it started cross-firing interruptions then

02:47:01.220 then we would do time because we assumed that it was going to be civil and we are not going to do

02:47:04.580 ad hominem attacks any such conditionals we said that in the beginning of the discussion

02:47:08.580 you can play it you can play it it's like you say people are going to see when you people are going

02:47:12.580 to see debate we change the rules when you actually get to the debate debate didn't start

02:47:16.580 yet we didn't have a discussion and you're being fair we said that we we did say this in the

02:47:21.140 beginning of the conversation um and because i care about the stream there's many people watching

02:47:25.620 um we can i'll propose this we can return to this because we're going in circles we cannot agree

02:47:30.740 about the age of consent i proposed that we've never had a debate on the age of consent there it's

02:47:37.060 not that there's a lack of agreement or some agreement right but both parties are disagreeing

02:47:40.980 both of them should move to the next part of the debate we haven't even done the first part of the

02:47:44.900 debate he refuses to even answer a single question of mine not one he just outright refused to answer any

02:47:53.220 questions i asked him he made that opening statement i made a rebuttal of his opening statement

02:47:57.940 i never made an opening statement if i was going to present my position and then you made an opening

02:48:03.460 statement you did for the entirety of it yeah that was a rebuttal first before i got into the portion

02:48:10.260 where i talk about my position that's why five minutes which debate in the world do you have five

02:48:15.460 minutes five minutes and then you get into crossfire there's not no time to present anything so

02:48:20.260 unless you've never debated in your life go please go ahead show me a debate in which there was five

02:48:24.340 minutes five minutes and the rest of the discussion open fire when you need to dictate

02:48:30.340 yeah oh you're yours yeah yes yeah exactly yours yeah you can see them oh actually the actual

02:48:35.220 debates yeah since modern day debate thousands of them on modern day debate everyone has his time

02:48:39.940 on modern day debate and after that they get into the rebuttal portion oh they have an open

02:48:46.340 how long is the opening statement five minutes it's about five minutes

02:48:49.380 you're wrong go ahead no i'm not wrong

02:48:53.140 disprove me so many come watch my debate on modern day debate with skylar fiction it was

02:48:57.220 two opening statements and then we went right into open dialogue i'm not talking about you i'm talking

02:49:01.060 about actual other people who debate bring me at the mail you can see with daniel kikachu they do their

02:49:06.420 opening statements then they go right into open dialogue exactly 20 minutes 20 minutes they have

02:49:10.740 feminist rebuttals then they have a backup it's not true people can people can see that on their own but

02:49:15.220 anyways yeah they can go see it on their own you're lying through your teeth you have no idea what

02:49:18.740 you're talking about sure sure they're going to do that on their own time as i said here this is the

02:49:22.580 format that i would agree with your format i don't agree with so it's as simple as that we're not

02:49:27.860 going to have it your way because you want to answer questions dude if you refuse to answer questions

02:49:32.340 there is no debate i had the opening question i had for the debate you refused to answer you said no i

02:49:37.780 want i want to have timed responses i want you to answer my questions i'll tell you this you'll have

02:49:43.060 your time and have my time i'll answer your questions oh no we're not we're not going to go back on the

02:49:47.060 format of the debate we're not doing it okay i'm not going to get to then you're trying to escape the

02:49:50.740 debate you're trying to escape the debate you wanted me to answer your question to the terms you

02:49:54.340 agree to the terms and then i'm offuscating by adhering to the terms okay you want that makes

02:49:58.660 me wanted me i already responded i didn't agree to that term of me not talking you did agree to it

02:50:03.140 i didn't agree yeah okay that's a lie we were on the phone well i mean all i can do is go out

02:50:10.340 and adhere to your honesty yeah yeah your own opinion right okay so that's what you have

02:50:19.380 in islam is it you just lied what you said was that there was no conversation before the debate

02:50:25.780 where you didn't agree okay this is getting childish if he's not gonna look it's over here it's past one

02:50:30.420 pm yeah if we can't make an agreement i'm just gonna i'm just gonna end this this is this is not

02:50:34.660 getting uh this is not this is not productive at all um i'll propose one more time like uh but we

02:50:39.620 can we can go to the trinity or or we can just end this as this is with asia consent it's going

02:50:45.460 nowhere being part of the debate never had the first part of the debate we're definitely not going

02:50:48.660 to have the second part if you guys won't even keep to the terms of what we agreed to no

02:50:52.260 no fucking way okay i appreciate you coming on all right that was a fucking mess

02:51:12.100 yeah i'm not gonna

02:51:12.820 uh all right it was going nowhere it was going nowhere

02:51:26.180 it was just gonna keep not going in circles there um obviously i have my opinions but i'm gonna

02:51:31.540 as moderator i'm gonna do my best to stay biased uh unbiased

02:51:35.460 i'm getting doesn't this remind you of the stipulations with um this is the same thing

02:51:47.300 like when we tried to set up the debate with shake with man and uh jideon's pastor it's just

02:51:51.860 like a debate about the debate you know um

02:51:59.300 yeah

02:51:59.620 what was the clip that you guys told me to watch pin the okay here it is

02:52:20.100 all right that was a mess

02:52:23.460 chat how could i have done better moderating

02:52:29.620 all right

02:52:38.660 yeah i i fixed um the the volume because it was not the volume wasn't equal i wasn't trying to make

02:52:44.580 it like drown anybody out it was just it wasn't equal you know

02:52:57.620 okay

02:53:15.380 okay i i never took a side

02:53:17.300 all right

02:53:24.900 your opening statement opening statement well before we do before we do opening statements

02:53:28.900 um so let's do each topic 45 minutes uh ideally we do it free-flowing i don't really like the timing

02:53:35.220 but if it gets uh if there's too much interrupting then we're gonna have to do timing but ideally it

02:53:39.460 seems like we're all on the same page so let's do each topic 45 minutes uh ideally we do it free-flowing

02:53:55.540 i don't really like the timing but if it gets uh if there's too much interrupting then we're gonna have

02:53:59.620 to do timing but ideally it seems like we're all on the same page that we're not going to do that um

02:54:04.820 um muhammad ali do you want to be specific like what would

02:54:18.820 uh did we just get i wanted to see the trinity portion

02:54:32.820 um

02:54:35.060 yeah okay i agree religious debates are just um

02:54:42.820 okay

02:54:52.820 um

02:55:02.820 okay

02:55:06.420 being fair i'm gonna i did speak to andrew before so i'm gonna i'll briefly muhammad ali asked me to

02:55:11.940 bring him back up

02:55:14.020 technically not moderator anymore but i'm gonna keep it unbiased i don't want christian to be like

02:55:18.340 oh i'm biased right now i did speak to andrew for about five minutes five to ten minutes before

02:55:22.580 the debate so i'm gonna call him and then briefly he said bring you

02:55:24.820 maybe i'm too biased to do maybe i'm too biased to do moderation hello salam alaikum debate's over

02:55:42.580 so i don't want anyone to to be like okay you're being you're being biased blah blah they're already

02:55:46.900 like um but okay yeah that was a mess and how do you think let me ask you this i'm sure you have

02:55:54.100 some things to say how do you think i could have improved as moderator because i said the christians

02:55:58.100 are complaining that it was bad moderation

02:55:59.620 uh i don't think the issue is you uh because the the thing is he had a position i had a position he

02:56:07.700 didn't want to change his position and of course i'm not going to change my position but i just

02:56:11.780 wanted to ask the people watching because majority of people watching you are not muslim is it fair

02:56:17.700 to ask for timing for each individual in which they can talk about their own position or their own

02:56:23.860 whatever they brought up or whatever they prepared in their own time that's the only thing

02:56:26.900 i'm asking the people watching to be fair and genuine if they are christians if they're fair

02:56:30.260 if they're genuine i i think they already know the answer to that question i did not

02:56:34.340 tell him do this or don't do that told him okay let's just have your own timing i have my own timing

02:56:39.540 but you know the reason i wouldn't allow this rule this idea which he was saying uh which not

02:56:45.380 talk about christianity i have here like in the last three four hours you cannot imagine how many

02:56:50.740 quotes do i have that display the the the church fathers were agreeing on ages like for instance

02:56:56.740 12 they believed barry was 12 years old uh the bible talking about the age and the commentaries

02:57:01.620 of the bible token that is just if you reach puberty then you're able to engage in intercourse all of

02:57:06.260 that was ready you know that's why he didn't want to uh me to talk about the christian position the

02:57:10.980 thing is he is a an offensive individual i don't want to but this is this i just want to keep it fair

02:57:16.340 because like yeah i don't want to continue the the back and forth while he's not here um because can we

02:57:21.700 do a poll and ask the people is it fair for each person to have their time let's just have that

02:57:26.420 poll well i mean okay i i there is a clip like where earlier um it said like i i went over completely

02:57:33.620 that we were gonna agree that i know yeah that's why i mentioned it multiple times and i said that he

02:57:39.380 was lying i said that he lied because of that reason because i know it's on video already you cannot

02:57:42.900 just claim that nothing was yeah i played it on stream already but yeah i'm trying to keep it as fair

02:57:47.140 as possible um and not so i did just by the way everybody in the chat i just texted uh andrew wilson

02:57:52.740 asking if i wanted to if you wanted to call privately one-on-ones to keep this because it seems like

02:57:56.980 it's the debate still feels like it's happening so i just want to be i do want to be fair um but

02:58:03.300 okay do you think um muhammad ali that i'm too biased to be a moderator i was trying my best i was

02:58:08.820 trying my best to keep it like uh logically you know consistent with both and i don't think the

02:58:15.460 reason that people will say you're biased is because a lot of them are of the christian position

02:58:19.940 because i am biased why but i am yeah no but talking about being biased in the tree in the

02:58:25.460 debate i don't think i was i'll see what andrew says for instance he had his opening statement

02:58:30.100 i started the first minute he interrupted me the first few sentences so you said allow him to do his

02:58:34.660 opening statement which was fair what is the unfairness there uh other than that i just asked

02:58:38.820 you certain things that happened what we agreed upon what you didn't agree upon he ended up calling you a

02:58:42.740 liar oh we we did agree on that by the way you remember on that call i it was not a speaker all

02:58:47.780 time i couldn't hear him only for the portion which we said okay let's have this topic and you have this

02:58:52.260 topic and the rest you were talking to him on the phone so he thinks as if i was like oh with him on

02:58:56.980 the phone or something you had a discussion with him there was no stipulation that i cannot talk about

02:59:01.780 or condition that i cannot talk about christianity that was brought up just right now so i know this is

02:59:06.420 giving me flashbacks i don't know if you remember but this was identical the last time i tried to host a

02:59:10.340 debate was with shake with man and jideon's pastor who made jideon start uh uh celebrating hanukkah

02:59:16.580 and then we just the whole debate was two hours of talking about the debate it was just the debate

02:59:21.060 about the debate and then it never it never got done but i do want to i do i don't want to give

02:59:25.380 up i want to continue hosting these in the future but you know i know when okay chat being fair and i know

02:59:32.340 the optics is bad because i'm here with muslim lantern but when he calls me fucker this stuff and

02:59:36.900 says i'm a liar like so it's also cursing and cussing are the same word just one is from the

02:59:42.500 south i and i did i knew that but i did not want to say that because i'm moderating i did not want

02:59:47.220 people to say 2v1 every by the way cursing and cussing are the same word and as soon as i said that

02:59:52.340 i'm like okay but i'm not going to do the 2v1 thing let it go okay but then when it yeah it's just but

03:00:00.660 yeah you're losing either way with the law of your audience because just no matter what you say

03:00:04.580 they're just going to say you're biased and you know you're going to just complain otherwise

03:00:10.180 whatever you say for something yeah i know again this is why um my camera is my camera's lagging

03:00:15.780 is it lagging for you yeah yeah a little bit it was like okay i'm not sure what it is um

03:00:22.420 thing is like as i was very fair from the position you can have your time i can have my time he wanted

03:00:27.060 me to answer his questions that was his argument i said i'll answer your questions on my time yeah because

03:00:31.620 how can i answer your questions when every time i speak you interrupt me you know you try to take

03:00:35.620 control over the debate which is the big tactic it's not going to happen right if you want fairness

03:00:40.020 you can have your time i can have my time and i can answer your questions in my time and the audience

03:00:43.620 can judge but he doesn't want that so when you bring him you're welcome to say that to him okay you want

03:00:48.660 him to answer your questions he can answer your questions in his time and if he doesn't you can speak

03:00:54.420 to the moderator and say okay i asked this this and that and he didn't answer them i'm happy to answer the

03:00:57.940 question and on my own time my own terms in my own way without interruptions from him you can tell him

03:01:03.300 that and i believe that's fair everyone has his own time everyone can answer the questions in their

03:01:08.020 own time how is that not fair on under any planning how is that not fair i don't know okay let me keep

03:01:13.380 it fair i'm gonna i'm gonna i'll call him and see if he answers and then that's fine okay and then i can

03:01:18.660 call you right back if he does not answer yeah that's fine let me know okay thank you i appreciate

03:01:22.420 your time i know i know you did a lot of research and stuff like this well actually while you're here before i

03:01:27.300 hang up and call him open invitation to anybody if they want to have this debate in conversation

03:01:31.380 any christian and i i have to admit wallahi i was under the complete the title of this debate is

03:01:37.460 islam versus christianity debate the reason i asked him is because he's a christian his name has chris

03:01:42.580 his christian in it on twitter um that that really that was the whole point and so i just being as fair

03:01:50.100 as i possibly can be let me call him i'll call you right back and i thank you all right no problem all

03:01:54.260 right all right okay oh my lord suleiman just texted me

03:02:07.540 so le mans says salam alaikum see go watch the debate there wasn't anything you could do

03:02:10.580 on fresh of it i thought the christians won here was clear andrew was afraid to defend his position

03:02:14.900 or belief the timing thing i believe andrew was right and the non-timing aspect of the debate should

03:02:18.980 have been at least attempted for the main body of the debate yeah uh yeah

03:02:26.740 yeah so suleiman saying that he think the christians wanted fresh and fit

03:02:30.660 but the whole point of this was um i wanted to hear about the trinity i wanted to hear about the

03:02:35.540 trinity because that that was the one thing that that was missed out on okay let me call andrew wilson

03:02:39.380 back keep it keep it and keep it fair let's see if he picks up

03:02:57.140 don't i'm sure i try okay

03:03:27.140 don't i'm sure

03:03:29.380 all right

03:03:46.420 okay all right now the debate's over and i'm going to talk

03:03:57.140 this is a funny row

03:04:20.980 no

03:04:24.260 lonely

03:04:27.140 i'm mr lonely

03:04:33.700 i have nobody

03:04:35.140 someone says we're not friends yeah okay because he's saying like i call my friends

03:04:38.420 fuckers so i'm pointing out like i i don't know you like that you know if you if you call your

03:04:44.260 friends like that then you know that this but i'm not your friend um that's not to be like an ad

03:04:50.580 hom or anything but that's just not the case you know i met i met him one time you know nice guy

03:04:56.500 i like the guy but i would it's just it is what it is that's factually true

03:05:02.020 i love speech is going to be a

03:05:06.980 love speech is going to be a goddamn nightmare

03:05:08.580 i love speech is going to be a goddamn nightmare

03:05:19.860 someone said sneak up against zirka to moderate with you

03:05:22.340 oh okay and you think all right bro all right yeah that's uh okay

03:05:30.580 you say

03:05:33.620 you say worse well not in a debate where i i we agree to be civil all right there's time and places for

03:05:38.580 for that type of language man can we have a movie night instead all right chad i don't want to end

03:05:42.820 um bro i i i want i really want to do the trinity debate right now i really do i really do

03:05:50.580 and let's be fair let's let's be fair how could you attack a position without having a position

03:06:00.900 you can't attack from nowhere you're going to have a position in battle there's two positions and then

03:06:06.100 you come at each other so you have to understand where the other person is coming from especially

03:06:09.780 when they say things like pedophile okay why do you believe that's a pedophile what's your world

03:06:13.940 view it isn't you can't argue from a subjective position right um i was surprised that andrew

03:06:23.780 wilson was gonna be like i'm gonna argue from you know i'm not gonna take a position to argue i've

03:06:28.740 never heard someone say that in a debate i've never heard that i was expecting i was expecting and

03:06:36.420 put a one in the chat if you were expecting him to argue from the position of a christian

03:06:40.260 his name on twitter is paleo christ con paleo christ con

03:06:49.220 i was expecting that the whole point was to do an islam versus christianity debate it was a follow-up

03:06:53.140 with the last debate that they did on fresh and fit um and then get into the trinity that was the whole

03:06:57.460 point how could you argue against the position without having a position where do you come from like

03:07:09.220 where where do you just appear you just evaporate

03:07:23.220 wait no that's muscle answer let me call him back maybe he didn't get that i called you back

03:07:38.500 i am free who wants to step in who wants to we need no we need a debate bro we need a debate that i just

03:07:47.220 hosted ufc and then the fucking alex pereira backed out

03:07:53.460 wants a disqualification

03:08:01.220 i'm calling jacosa right now

03:08:18.020 save the stream call young don bro i'm not doing i'm not gonna ambush young don bro he would hate me

03:08:23.620 forever bro you would hate me forever okay muscle mentor says call but he just has notifications

03:08:34.340 um okay so i i called back uh andrew wilson and uh he didn't pick up so i think it's fair to

03:08:40.660 to have a conversation we can we can consider the debate over and now we could speak as

03:08:44.260 as we usually do i'm not in moderator mode let me get up

03:08:56.260 out of moderator mode uh and now i'm your friend

03:09:02.100 how are you man how's everything everything honestly i was i was really i'm not gonna lie i was

03:09:06.260 really look for four hours nearly four hours i've just been writing uh like the it's i already have

03:09:14.340 them right but i was just writing them down so i can display them in a simple way in the discussion

03:09:18.900 and i welcome anyone uh any christian that you can bring up right now who would like to defend

03:09:24.420 the christian position of why is the age of uh consent age of marriage whatever it is it's age of

03:09:29.140 marriage for us if you if any christians would like because i don't want to waste the time of the

03:09:32.980 discussion you know and also i don't want to start reading it and people say oh you're unfair you

03:09:37.060 know why are you reading when there's no christian to defend either way whatever you do they're not

03:09:41.940 happy you know if they have an alternative christian right now who can step up and discuss the same

03:09:47.220 topics two topics i'm happy to do them you think we can get one right now there's still 11 000 people

03:09:51.780 watching that this is uh the very heavy stream i mean if we could get someone right now this would be

03:09:56.180 great yeah get whoever you want to get i don't mind like look we're not scared of anyone

03:10:00.500 but you got uh you got this guy i thought he's going to be the uh christian defender but apparently

03:10:06.820 it did not seem so and then you can uh bring someone else that the chat is is happy with so

03:10:11.860 we don't want them complaining too much later there there are people in the chat are saying that that

03:10:15.780 it's it's stupid but i i've never heard someone say that that they're arguing a position without

03:10:20.100 having it how could you attack a position without having a position does that no no let me like from

03:10:25.060 i've never seen that in a debate does that have you seen that before well in any formal debate or

03:10:30.820 any debate that happens in which in which every person has his own time you cannot place conditions

03:10:36.820 on the individual speaking about your own faith and position if this is the islam versus christianity

03:10:41.460 you got to have a case to defend right what he wanted to do is to only defend the trinity

03:10:47.620 right but no if you there are many christians who try to say that the trinity is in islam

03:10:53.060 by the way many many including sam and all of these guys that the the the christians keep mentioning

03:10:57.460 in the comments they did many times try to do that so you can try to do that you can try to bring the

03:11:01.460 quran and show how the quran actually has the trinity too and any of the senses you can do that if you

03:11:05.780 want no one is holding you from saying anything this guy jay dyer is uh they're saying is live right now

03:11:11.460 he was in the fresh and fit debate uh i think he's he's live in a space right now if someone could okay

03:11:16.500 there's 86 people in the space how about uh would you be down to you you would i already know right

03:11:23.220 i told you anyone you want to bring you can bring okay i don't want to waste tonight you know

03:11:27.460 already here oh he dm me in 2022 and said i host um fourth hour the chat keeps saying their name

03:11:38.740 so they're satisfied with him right yeah the whole the whole reason i'm saying is because the whole

03:11:42.020 chat the christians are spamming it right now okay um yeah he actually he asked me to debate two

03:11:48.820 years ago i didn't i just see this and then okay hello uh would you like to debate now my discord is this

03:12:04.020 okay they're saying ellie you go i didn't see the message i didn't see the message but um

03:12:16.980 okay one through ten rate the moderation skills chat i i could have done better i i probably i was

03:12:22.420 trying to figure out the right times to step in uh and um and keep it for you obviously i think you're

03:12:28.740 gonna yeah all right you're not the best person to ask for this chat what do you think

03:12:35.780 one through ten

03:12:38.580 i just dmj dyer too he's in a space someone hop in the space and tell him or maybe i can just join right

03:12:43.060 now it's um let's see this is why there's been opposite for me at this sites right because

03:12:50.820 cyril at times speaks in less precise terms than later cyril okay okay but but you see the so i i'm

03:13:00.500 i'm still you're just referring to those books basically to kind of resolve that issue because

03:13:06.340 do you see my issue that like the bible seems to speak invited right now as being very responsive

03:13:12.580 and very no but i'm saying only orthodox christianity solves this by the essence of

03:13:18.100 inner distinction and by god's willing reciprocity okay um even if you doubt what if you did away

03:13:24.100 with impassibility wouldn't that solve it oh i mean it's a fundamental dog wait wait orthodox theology

03:13:32.340 that the divine nature is the title is i'm in the title of the space understand that but what i'm

03:13:37.300 saying is that this seems like a problem okay so this is perfect uh muhammad ali that the title of this

03:13:42.580 debate says debate catholics muslims protestants sneko slash

03:14:02.340 tape fans god perfect right perfect humbly love we do it right now audience he's already targeting your

03:14:09.300 audience hey he already he's already in okay there's some i see love speech members in here

03:14:12.580 there's plato zerk rage alako gabriel all right this is this is perfect this is perfect

03:14:21.940 but i i have a feeling he's going to want to debate me instead of you

03:14:26.660 well i'm here too bad for him he wants to discuss it doesn't matter who you're discussing with right

03:14:32.580 if he's a preacher then you should have a discussion with someone who does that one

03:14:35.940 this is what christians always complain about isn't it

03:14:42.820 chat saying cloud chaser oh it's lagging oh man

03:14:55.140 oh we're back okay okay we're back we're good

03:14:58.420 andrew's wife i just want to remind the people with something very important right

03:15:08.180 if whoever re-watches the discussion you're going to see that the points that he brought up in his

03:15:13.940 own timing i rebutted them in in the time that i saw right he was making all this argument about like

03:15:18.820 the preview business and i respond the asha was not so all your argument about the profit doesn't work

03:15:22.660 there anyways because all of it is about something which isn't true secondly i also responded with if there

03:15:27.620 is a true like he said harm happening from the intercourse then islamically that's haram so that

03:15:32.180 you don't have that's not something that we would call moral therefore you don't have an argument there

03:15:35.380 to begin so i did respond to what he was saying he tried to pretend that i didn't but i did and i would

03:15:40.100 be happy to respond to any questions that he uh he brought forward but yeah it's that i think that

03:15:45.060 question was pretty unnecessary the um the what's of course you know what he's trying to do right you

03:15:50.420 know what he's trying to do and uh some people might not know this but i've already been told by some of my

03:15:56.340 followers they saw him made the stream prepared for preparation for the stream and he literally

03:16:00.500 said i'm gonna try to get him you know uh not to be uh to have his composure get him angry and that

03:16:06.260 that was he thinks i like i've not dealt with that before or something you know 34 7 i'm with people who

03:16:11.140 are like completely not uh you know it doesn't have zero manners and screaming and shouting and

03:16:16.260 interrupting i deal with them every day he thinks that he's gonna make me lose my composure by like

03:16:20.500 trying to make these insinuations it's really sad to see uh but yeah i think people can tell

03:16:26.900 the difference well you know it's funny uh andrew's um just coincident andrew's wife is in here is in

03:16:32.500 the space right now oh okay a small world that's interesting yeah um okay i don't know what they're

03:16:43.460 saying like i'm gonna listen to the space i'm gonna see if they're ready to join in fact uh in fact we we

03:16:48.660 recite in the liturgy the words of maximus the confessor that he underwent no change when he

03:16:53.940 became man what this means is that his divinity his nature i requested to join um my name is in

03:16:59.780 the title of the space i don't know why i'm not allowed to speak in the in my space you know my

03:17:07.060 name's in the title you should you should add me right now i've requested i'm gonna request again

03:17:10.820 i mean they see it like anybody he's the host of the space okay maybe he won't do it um

03:17:23.300 okay let me check the dms i'll see if he dm back

03:17:25.780 yeah he didn't dm back okay um would you debate zirka right now i don't think zirka would want to

03:17:43.860 debate that position isn't it i don't think i don't know what about you know how it is with

03:17:48.100 zirka you know if you want to bring zirka for a chat that's a different story you can have a chat

03:17:52.020 they already have a debate right me and him we're gonna call that debate you know

03:17:55.780 whatever that was uh i already i called jacosta but he didn't respond

03:18:04.180 hello zirka rage would you would you like to come in he's zirka rage is a christian

03:18:08.420 he i i gave him a job earlier so you owe me one bro i know he's watching the stream right now you

03:18:13.060 you owe me one he's okay he's a portuguese christian and uh i don't think i don't think

03:18:18.180 christians would be satisfied that's the thing we can talk to anyone obviously but they're gonna

03:18:21.380 say oh look you're bringing this well you're the person you guys chose didn't want to continue

03:18:25.940 the discussion fairly everyone and with his own timing what can i do for you you know cannot do

03:18:29.940 anything for you uh a lot of people can also in try to insult and curse like just direct insult in

03:18:35.700 the chat which means that you believe like that your representative didn't do well because it means

03:18:39.540 you're upset and you're resorting to insult so don't be resorting to insult because that is not a

03:18:44.500 good representation of you as a christian right i've not insulted any of you the muslims will not

03:18:49.380 insult you because we can clearly see how the discussion went if you're angry and mad then

03:18:54.100 you maybe you should rethink why you're angry and mad and resulting to uh childish insults well okay so

03:19:00.900 because i saw something actually i saw something from myron i and and i i i was i was surprised

03:19:05.700 because there's this clip that this myron uh updates or something he uh tagged me and where myron calls me

03:19:13.140 like a an ass clown or something like that i was like okay so i made a point about you and sneaker

03:19:19.460 just okay i rebut that point and present it you don't need to insult i i speak with him by the way

03:19:24.500 he just added me into space he wants to make this debate uh three and three and this and that but it's

03:19:29.060 best to talk face to face we end each other so we have that discussion face to face but this insults

03:19:33.700 on the stream i don't think it's a respectable kind of thing they do uh and by the way yeah some people

03:19:38.980 mentioned something uh to me that maybe you can briefly mention is when you were sitting with

03:19:43.540 zirka like you had this idea about the gay uh son versus the uh you know the christian they said that

03:19:49.780 and you said that you disagree on this and that i think you should clarify to the audience is that

03:19:54.260 you're not saying islamically that shirk is not the biggest sin you believe that shirk is the biggest

03:19:58.660 sin islamically and you believe that it is a bigger sin than homosexuality from an islamic point of

03:20:03.540 view as a muslim but you're saying as a personal preference due to the feelings you have

03:20:08.180 you would choose this this over the up is that correctly your position or not because a lot of

03:20:12.260 people thought that you mean that know that shirk is a lesser sin no no i i know shirk is a greater

03:20:17.700 sin and i know that that's not um uh ideal but it's just i would be lying if i said like if i imagine

03:20:24.260 my son right now i'm picturing like of the two would i pick it having a gay son or having a christian son

03:20:30.260 it's christian son i know shirk is the greatest sin and i know people were discussing it and um you know

03:20:35.380 people were calling it out blah blah i think a lot of these people that like nitpick stuff like

03:20:38.580 this sneaker doesn't know shirk is a good yeah i know i know i'm being honest it's a stream this

03:20:42.980 stuff like this there's there's a lot of like youtubers and uh i have to be real i think a lot of

03:20:47.940 the there's there's a specific group not you um of like uh muslim content creators that just want clout

03:20:54.180 and so they're just like does he know this does he know that oh i'm here criticizing bro you just

03:20:58.900 want to put my name in the title this stuff like yeah i know shirk is the greatest sin i've established that

03:21:03.300 many times i'm aware but i'm just like admitting and lie and i would say i'm lying if i would prefer

03:21:09.220 having a gay son over a christian son you know that that's all i'm saying yeah no the only problematic

03:21:15.860 thing is is you and you don't hold that position is to actually believe it's not the biggest sin and

03:21:20.100 you don't hold that no i don't they cannot criticize you yeah there are certain things in which you can

03:21:23.940 have feelings as muslims that we're not under our control specifically we're socially conditioned to

03:21:28.900 view certain things certain ways and your subjective choice is going to be based on that

03:21:33.540 right but that doesn't mean you're saying the same is greater than the other and i understood

03:21:36.980 that's why you meant that's why i like i didn't like even call you or discuss it with you yeah

03:21:41.860 when it gets to the point where people are criticizing that i think i think it's a little

03:21:44.420 much where they can't see that they're saying chat saying um chat yes or no should you bring

03:21:48.500 a demi to debate i'm joking we love that but um maybe i agree i agree the chat i will completely

03:21:58.100 agree that this is the best representation of christianity um let's see this guy the alex

03:22:04.900 shows guy okay by the way they mentioned this person jay and and he it's impossible that he didn't see

03:22:10.820 you because you joined the debate i think you'll be all the other yeah my name is in the title of course

03:22:14.340 you saw like okay anyone knows that he's avoiding he that is a perfect example i'm gonna say that

03:22:21.140 that's running like my name's in the title i requested to speak there was only 80 people in

03:22:25.620 the space before i joined it tripled the size when i just clicked on it now i dm'd him and he's dm

03:22:31.220 many times he does not want to join right it's fine um but maybe he's busy or something like that

03:22:35.220 i'm not going to say why oh jacosa okay um nick they say nick i'm happy to speak to nick why not

03:22:41.140 uh nick fuentes doesn't do theology debates uh he doesn't okay zirka rage responded um is it okay

03:22:48.180 can i add jacosta and zirka rage it'd be what if we do a 2v1 um you versus those two yeah that's

03:22:54.900 my only issue is like last last time you saw with with uh jacosta he was interrupting right he's not

03:22:59.860 allowing me to finish sentences and that getting very emotional i don't do emotional right someone is

03:23:04.820 able to just the same thing with andrew i was saying okay you allow every person to speak if we do that

03:23:10.340 you want to bring 100 christians with i don't mind welcome to bring 100 christians the call okay uh

03:23:15.700 i'm gonna add that i get my chance to speak actually i respond you know okay i'll make sure that that

03:23:20.500 happens but but i don't think that they will be satisfied that's that's the saddest thing you know

03:23:25.780 we try to satisfy them but whatever whoever we bring they're not going to be satisfied they're just going

03:23:30.260 to resort to childish insults which is sad it's too bad i don't want this uh oh jacosa is calling

03:23:39.940 hold on i'm gonna okay i'll add him and just let me add uh zirka rage too i think it's fair if it's a

03:23:46.260 it's a 2v1 because uh all right jacosa subbing in here we go w jacosa man saving the stream once again

03:23:53.300 okay i have to uh add him to the dm hold on

03:24:00.020 let's add him he was watching the stream too so he's gonna we'll keep it fair let's go

03:24:09.460 this is a chaotic ass dream chat hey jacosa how you doing man hey what's up man how you feeling

03:24:17.540 uh feeling good uh did you listen to the debate i saw like the first part of it and then i had to

03:24:23.620 jump on a zoom call so i didn't get to see the full debate i want to i want to analyze that how was um

03:24:28.900 how was andrew wilson was he respectful um well you know i'm the moderator so i don't want to get into

03:24:34.660 that but i will say um it was do you remember uh jacosa do you remember the jideon stipulation debate

03:24:42.020 with his pastor and shake his mind yeah that was oh yeah judy on and with his uh what was he doing

03:24:48.900 uh jewish celebrations yeah i remember that celebrating hanukkah yeah i mean it's okay we

03:24:54.420 don't want to say negative things but this debate was identical well we just ended up talking about

03:24:58.580 we just stipulated the whole time and then we didn't actually get to discuss stuff wait how did

03:25:03.220 how did it end did you guys just like end the debate because you couldn't be cordial it was getting

03:25:07.060 yeah i would say it was getting a little bit childish and um there were a little some ad

03:25:12.100 homes and stuff like this but yeah it was going nowhere so okay so i gotta say this the the first

03:25:17.620 argument for andrew was ridiculous i can't even lie okay i love andrew wilson he's like he's a g but

03:25:26.420 you know um i think that first argument was a little weird in the way he expressed it um i have to

03:25:31.780 watch the whole debate i it's a little weird if you talk about like penis sizes and so i

03:25:36.980 i don't know i didn't i i gotta admit i didn't expect that and i like i was moderator so like

03:25:43.940 i'm gonna be fair when i saw him bring out the ruler and a bullet i started laughing but

03:25:50.900 but you don't need to watch the rest of it because it was it went in circle if you saw the first half

03:25:54.500 that was the whole thing yeah like it was i'm talking about entertainment value that was fantastic

03:25:59.940 like even just to begin it was absolutely entertaining i have to like dive into it to like

03:26:04.260 to see the actual logistics of the conversation to see you know just in my opinion who won i just i

03:26:08.660 just got the phone with uh with warner and ways um when you were calling me i was on the phone with

03:26:12.980 with warner wait warner's uh well i don't wanna i guess i don't wanna speak for him but um it is true

03:26:18.580 lately um andrew wilson has been a little wild on twitter like i don't really support like the absolute

03:26:24.340 disrespect of another religion i don't support that so like i think a lot of what he says on twitter is not

03:26:30.820 cool but um i do support him as a debater he's a fantastic debater i don't know what went on today

03:26:36.980 but i have to go back and and watch that you you saw i mean it's painted value this is great yeah you

03:26:42.020 you saw it pretty much oh i did that that's pretty much what it was the whole time yeah yeah you you

03:26:47.140 got it also i don't know if you know but uh muhammad ali's in the call yeah yeah oh how you how you

03:26:51.860 doing sir i'm okay how are you uh i know actually you can watch the because there was an opening statement

03:26:57.220 of him and then i did rebut his opening statement a bit and was getting into my position but the time

03:27:02.660 was over and then he just did not want then uh a time for each he wanted to just kind of talk over

03:27:11.380 because i brought this point multiple times you can say that's bias you can watch and then see how it

03:27:16.020 was he didn't want each one to have his own time he said i'm going to avoid his questions i said i'm going

03:27:20.020 to answer your questions in my own time that's fair have your time i have my time you didn't want me to

03:27:24.820 speak about christianity when it comes to opposition on the age of consent he said i'm not allowed to do

03:27:29.540 that the only thing i would say uh muslim lantern andrew wilson is known for being chill respectful

03:27:37.860 chill like um like i know his words are aggressive but he his temperament is cool so it did seem a little

03:27:44.020 crazy in the beginning like for the first 10 minutes talking about hey don't say anything offensive

03:27:48.580 because especially if for example you know i had a conversation with siko about this before

03:27:54.100 the truth hurts sometimes the truth hurts according to our perception of what truth is

03:28:00.260 so when we say as christians the truth of what we believe let's say we believe muhammad is a false

03:28:05.540 prophet let's say would you find that to be disrespectful no saying he's the fault okay so

03:28:10.020 things like that are not disrespectful to you and that's why i was clear if you say prophet muhammad

03:28:14.900 was a false prophet and then give your reasoning for why he was that's what discussion is right i don't

03:28:19.780 have an issue with that my would you say is what he was doing which maybe you've not seen in the

03:28:24.260 debate talk about body part a specific body part of the prophet what was the size of how is that

03:28:29.300 related to this yeah that was a little that was a little crazy oh my god not only in the beginning

03:28:33.780 he did that in the end and then he said i'm refusing to answer his question oh was it the average arab size

03:28:39.300 so like this is just a childish behavior and i didn't expect that it's funny it's it's entertainment

03:28:43.380 value like he definitely brought the entertainment with that i was uh i enjoyed i was hilarious i know but

03:28:48.340 jacosa i mean jacosa the whole purpose of the debate was to actually have a real discussion

03:28:54.980 about these topics it was not for entertainment value and that's exactly why i don't like religious

03:28:58.980 debates is because it gets to like this like who can get a clip moment it's a show right it

03:29:04.020 becomes like nicks versus lakers and it becomes a spectacle right and religion should not be a

03:29:08.820 spectacle it should be something it's very serious dodging jay no no i just i just said uh i just said

03:29:13.700 for him to dm me like i dm'd him my discord so we can add him now also andrew wilson just

03:29:18.100 tweet it i'm gonna uh show it on well i'll just read it bro actually let me share it so you guys

03:29:22.020 can see um actually uh i debated young don today oh how to go about the trinity no no no um well i mean

03:29:29.940 i would love to debate him on that but um i actually uh debated him on marriage because basically he was

03:29:38.580 pointing out a verse in the scriptures saying that if a man divorces a woman on the grounds of

03:29:44.020 adultery let's say she cheats on him and he divorces her he believes that a man cannot remarry

03:29:49.780 my position based on the scriptures is that a man can remarry as long as the divorce is based on

03:29:55.940 adultery or death death ends the marriage and adultery will end that contract but he's misinterpreting

03:30:03.140 this one verse um and making it seem as if a man who is innocent an innocent mate in a marriage

03:30:11.060 cannot remarry if the other mate commits adultery and breaks the contract i'm on the position that

03:30:17.940 he can remarry and you know so we had a little debate on myron's face today it was actually it was

03:30:23.300 really really informative i mean people people were taking both sides um but yeah there's a couple

03:30:28.820 things that disagree with well as full to young don he said uh when we were talking about the

03:30:33.220 shirk versus gay thing and young don said that you can't be gay and be a christian which is not true

03:30:39.460 you could be gay and be a christian that's it that's the the argument for that is like being

03:30:43.700 gay is a bad sin but then you could be a sinner and still be a christian because everybody sins

03:30:47.940 right if you and i asked him like what if you're an alcoholic he's like an alcoholic can't be a christian

03:30:51.700 well then how far are you going to go with the sins like if you curse can you not be a christian

03:30:55.940 if you you know if you've messed up before if you've like stolen a bar of candy are you not a

03:31:01.300 christian anymore okay but there's two things i want to address uh one or two three things uh

03:31:07.060 told jade dm me so we can set up right now okay everyone's saying i'm ducking let's do it right now

03:31:11.700 two i got a 400 donation just now the biggest donation i think in a year and that's going right

03:31:16.420 to chris so chris from rumble uh dinner on me uh action one one two five says why is sneko muting christians

03:31:22.980 why if this was set up with a defense position are you pretending it was two way on both topics

03:31:27.860 andrew would have prepped for two way you could see it on sneko's face i don't know what i don't

03:31:33.220 know what you're talking about okay we said age of consent and trinity i didn't know that it was going

03:31:38.100 to be attack defense i've never seen it like it's like we're doing uh football drills where you just

03:31:44.260 you pretend to i didn't think it was going to be a pretend debate where you pretend to not be a christian

03:31:49.860 for one i thought we were going to talk about what we believe in right andrew wilson publicized

03:31:54.660 that he's a christian his name on twitter has christ in it so i was assuming that he was a

03:31:59.460 christian and he would argue from a christian point position because he is i would never expect muslim

03:32:04.340 lancer to be like okay today i'm going to argue as an atheist that's ridiculous to me uh if i was

03:32:08.820 mistaken upon that if you expected that then we disagree two andrew wilson tweeted just now it's on

03:32:14.100 screen he said so they lied refuse to argue without using fallacies and don't understand basic logic

03:32:19.940 i took the hardest position for christians to defend and made sure it wouldn't uh have

03:32:25.700 fallacious arguments of what about you for maximum good faith unreal can i just make a comment on that

03:32:33.620 he says he took the position of had this position for christians to defend we didn't even get to the

03:32:37.460 trinity i don't know what he's talking about right and he chose the the age of marriage consulting and i

03:32:42.580 agreed even though i told him it's not even an argument against islam that's how i refuted

03:32:46.260 it refuted his whole segment because i made the three points to demonstrate why his point

03:32:52.420 is or his argument is not even something that disproves islam so if this is that islam versus

03:32:57.060 christianity debate is lost but he he knew that it's not in islam versus christianity and he tried to

03:33:01.300 make it his personal position versus this but i saw something interesting in the tweets look

03:33:05.780 what someone told him which is the point i made multiple times you do you realize you can't ask a

03:33:10.900 person to defend a topic that is tied to morality there's an underlying morality that is the basis

03:33:16.580 of the argumentation so where where you derive the morality from the objective morality which is what

03:33:20.980 the point i was making for him if you ask someone to substantiate what is immoral to have x you can't

03:33:26.020 argue without morality defined so the argument i was making is okay where do you derive morality from

03:33:31.940 because your argument is x action is immoral what the prophet did so we have to agree first where do you

03:33:37.460 define morality how do you define morality where do you source it from so i said to him that has to be

03:33:41.700 done and that's why i wanted to present the christian position of morality on the idea of the age of

03:33:46.980 marriage and age of concern so if he's a christian his defense um the reason why andrew wilson said

03:33:54.580 that is because recently um there was a debate between destiny and andrew wilson and they're debating

03:34:00.900 on how debating works so his point was that he was his point was that you can refute someone's argument

03:34:10.260 without having a position on it so you know without having your own position so i think that's what he

03:34:16.180 was doing he you were forcing him to have a position on the morality no no of it when he he just wanted

03:34:22.580 to review refute your position on it he didn't want to have it i agree i agree and there's a reason he did

03:34:27.780 that because he knows he has a losing position from a belief perspective but the thing is you cannot

03:34:33.060 just say maybe uh is it no but what he was saying by the way is not what you say it's not that i wanted

03:34:39.780 home i wanted him i don't think i don't think it's because he doesn't he doesn't have his friend of

03:34:43.940 jedi i think he doesn't want you to get distracted because i noticed that a lot of muslim christian

03:34:49.220 debates um sometimes like from a christian standpoint muslims will focus on the christian

03:34:53.940 perspective and not focus on their own stance so he was trying to force you and put you in a corner

03:34:59.220 to address your stance on it and i do notice that is like a tactic i mean it's a good tactic but

03:35:04.660 you know instead of like speaking on your own stance you'll deflect to the other person's stance

03:35:08.820 like oh well what's the christian viewpoint on it and then it'll take away from the conversation

03:35:12.740 he's trying to hold you down and say beat on what you believe in jacosa that's what he addressed

03:35:17.860 two things like one thing i want to do point out for the christians as moderator muscle

03:35:21.540 lantern did at first he said that there's no harm allowed in islam he said marriage is allowed after

03:35:25.620 puberty and then he brought up christian so he defended the position because like he was just

03:35:29.700 under this assumption that i was going to be attack defense he defended a position and then he questioned

03:35:33.300 his he did both he addressed he didn't even mention i didn't mention christianity in my segment i first

03:35:39.460 responded to his his uh argumentation that he made in his opening statement and second i was making my

03:35:45.140 position as a muslim i was saying okay i believe one i believe two i didn't even get to christianity

03:35:49.940 but the thing is he was not saying what you're saying uh jacosta he was saying that i don't get

03:35:54.020 to talk about christianity it's not that he doesn't have a position he said you know but weren't you

03:35:58.500 trying to but from in his defense weren't you trying to based on what you're saying now um trying to get

03:36:05.060 him to kind of clamp down on the christian stance on morality weren't you trying to get him to say no i

03:36:10.900 was i was doing the following first i'm going to defend islam any point that he would make i would

03:36:15.140 respond to it and i told him when we have the time ask your question and respond to it so i'm going to

03:36:18.820 defend islam number one number two i'm going to present how what he's attacking is hypocritical

03:36:24.820 because his own belief is the same thing he's attacking well that's the thing see that that's

03:36:29.140 what he that's what he thinks you're focusing on his belief and hey and how you know why you leave

03:36:33.940 it number one i'm just telling you i'm going to defend this now right it's a islam versus christianity

03:36:38.180 he cannot tell me don't talk about the christian position regarding the issue because because then

03:36:43.140 well he can and that's the point that's that's why that's what i'm telling you no but that's what he

03:36:46.660 made with destiny on this exactly yeah he's debating with him i don't agree with that position

03:36:51.700 but that's the thing like that's why he's trying to make it clear from the from the start i have a

03:36:55.380 defense position and then on this topic i have an offensive position so we can go into it with the

03:36:59.780 right mindset so you don't so that i'm gonna be frank so that you don't just like deflect back onto

03:37:06.100 him which is what you're doing now like i'm not going to talk about my position because you're a

03:37:09.860 hypocrite and you're christian's viewpoint it's like now you're i didn't say that though okay yeah

03:37:15.300 but that makes no sense because i told you i responded to his point first so i cannot deflect

03:37:20.020 when i'm already responding to your argument did you did you give your your position fully on on how

03:37:25.220 on your stance on uh morality of let's say uh marriage and child marriage yeah so he made points

03:37:32.980 in his opening statement i rebutted them from an islam point of view okay number one and you can watch

03:37:38.340 later if you like second thing i was doing is given my position before the time ended so i had

03:37:43.700 points for what my islamic position is and the time ended sneaker told me okay it's enough you had the

03:37:48.660 same time so i couldn't finish in and on this specific point you see in the debate so i did not

03:37:53.620 even bring up christianity so to try to say that i'm trying to do what about this and when i've never

03:37:57.780 even mentioned anything to do with christianity is just absurd oh okay uh jaydar is ready i'm gonna

03:38:04.340 uh oh i did you or actually you know what would be fair um yeah let's see what you think about

03:38:12.580 proposing this uh maybe this could help the moderator thing jacosa would you um would you

03:38:16.980 moderate with me because you're christian yeah let's do it most of my answer do you think that's

03:38:21.780 fair jay dyer yeah oh wow okay that's big i'll have you i'll have you in here um if you could do

03:38:28.900 me a favor just if you can mute for most of the time and then like um yeah send text and then if

03:38:33.060 it gets too chaotic blah blah blah then we could step in but i think it'd be too supervising blah

03:38:37.540 blah then no one's gonna complain i'm just i don't want nobody in love speech to say like

03:38:41.860 it's complaining or it's 2v1 if you're here in the call and also have the moderators uh

03:38:46.660 on you all the christians they even muted me they muted you okay yeah they muted me out of the chat

03:38:53.140 crazy wait just now are you banned forever no earlier you know when i first in the beginning

03:38:59.220 of the debate they just they muted me because i was like writing uh stuff about um uh muhammad

03:39:06.020 because of uh his first dance and like just coming from a christian standpoint and they muted me okay

03:39:10.500 i'm unmod those mods let's get the chat fair too so it's on both sides okay okay i'm adding um

03:39:17.380 all right so dracosa will stay muted and then let me add jay dyer let's go

03:39:27.220 all right finally luckily muscle lancer gets to use his notes they don't go to waste

03:39:30.980 oh

03:39:45.140 let's go

03:39:52.740 yo hey jay can you hear me yeah what's up nice to meet you man hey how you guys doing

03:40:00.980 doing good doing good so this is uh muhammad ali and then we also have a fellow christian

03:40:04.900 jacosa here a representative of the love speech community um so we just i'll keep you up to just

03:40:10.740 bring you up to speed we just had a a half debate kind of uh andrew wilson versus a muslim lantern

03:40:16.420 this muhammad ali up here and it we weren't able to agree to the terms of the age of consent but we

03:40:21.860 do really want to hear about uh the trinity if we could do a trinity debate i don't know if you're

03:40:25.620 if you're ready if you want to do that right now but uh me and jacosa because he's a christian

03:40:29.460 i would be unbiased we can moderate it right now um you versus the muslim lantern

03:40:34.900 uh yeah i'm not opposed to debating trinity i have just debated for the last four hours so i'm

03:40:39.620 a little bit tired but i'm not opposed to doing it okay we can keep it short um i don't want to

03:40:45.300 keep it house 45 minutes uh let's we could start five well i mean you don't have an opening statement

03:40:50.980 prepared um i i do everything extemporaneous i i i would i mean i would i can do an opening statement

03:40:57.540 at the extemporaneous it doesn't matter i mean you did you want to do timed or a conversation

03:41:01.460 or what style let's let's agree on that now ideally okay so i'll do the same uh terms that

03:41:06.580 we had for the last debate but it went south so i i think having an opening statement for both sides

03:41:11.940 would be fair around five minutes cap uh we'll cap it at five minutes and then we can go free-flowing

03:41:16.500 back and forth but if there's too many interruptions then we'll have to do timing things and then that's

03:41:19.940 when the moderators will have to step in uh yeah that's a good idea i can do that yeah so the thing

03:41:27.860 is uh like andrew you know i was having a discussion with him uh he was wanting to talk about the age of

03:41:35.300 marriage to the age of consent right versus the trinity so i don't know if you want to mention

03:41:39.700 something about islam as well to be fair because talking just about the trinity is just a christian

03:41:43.460 thing uh so although i mean usually trinity versus tawhid is what we debate yeah if you that so if

03:41:49.300 you want to debate that that's fine and you already debated that so you should already have your notes

03:41:53.540 ready i believe right because your last debate was kind of to do i don't do notes man i just i just do

03:41:58.340 everything except for this hey no no i'm just making that point clear they've already had a debate on

03:42:03.300 this topic just recently so you if you did have notes you would have them prepared so you can say that

03:42:07.620 but something they've already done right so we were having a discussion uh me and and andrew we can do

03:42:13.300 that if we allow each other to speak finish the points and ask questions i think that can work

03:42:16.500 with between me and you if the moderators notice they just becoming interrupting and stuff like

03:42:21.460 that someone's trying to take over then what we can do is is just turn it into timing right does that

03:42:27.140 seem fair yeah it's fine all right so uh and i made this uh and i don't think you will but i made this

03:42:33.220 point before in the previous discussion is like no insulting of the prophet uh directly by mentioning

03:42:38.740 calling him names and stuff like that i don't think you will do that uh but i'm just highlighting

03:42:42.820 that because it's against my faith so i cannot be in the call if this if this is happening if that's

03:42:47.460 fair you can let me know if not you can also tell me your position okay all right uh do you have a

03:42:53.300 camera by any chance uh we're live on youtube so my camera is active for youtube right now oh okay

03:43:02.500 okay you can activate it on um on discord too

03:43:08.180 yeah hold on

03:43:11.460 i know uh yeah a lot of guys are used to stream yard and stuff

03:43:13.700 if not if not if not it's not a big deal but uh preferred

03:43:30.420 all right yeah looks good

03:43:35.540 all right

03:43:35.860 okay um who would prefer to uh to go first does it matter uh i don't mind if you'd like to i don't

03:43:45.940 know if you would like me to go first or would like to go first i'm a very uh reasonable person

03:43:50.900 so let me find a piece i need a piece of paper i would take notes so hold on okay sure they were

03:43:57.700 complaining about the volume earlier uh muhammad your your your volume is a little low i had you all the

03:44:02.340 way up but it's and then even that the christians loves you down or something no no it's a little low

03:44:09.700 uh okay you you could turn it up but uh i don't i think it's the loudest i can get it right now but

03:44:15.940 i'm just also speaking uh i'm not speaking loudly because uh it's 2 a.m you know right i understand

03:44:23.460 yeah i mentioned to you about the neighbors and stuff i don't want to be waking them up or something

03:44:32.340 okay uh this is the trinity versus towheed debate let's get a opening statement from

03:44:57.540 uh i'll start with jay okay yeah so the doctrine of trinity is a doctrine that is not derived from

03:45:04.500 philosophy it's not derived from saint paul primarily it's not derived from the council of

03:45:09.300 nicaea the doctrine of trinity is taught in the law and the prophets in fact if you go back to my

03:45:14.820 daniel and kikachu debate in the first 10 minutes i hold up a whiteboard that shows all the passages from

03:45:20.660 the torah and then the prophets that we derive the doctrine the trinity from mainly from jewish

03:45:26.580 exegesis of the old testament this might sound surprising because people think that the doctrine

03:45:31.460 of trinity is something that's unique to christianity or that jews don't believe in this nowadays

03:45:36.740 so therefore jews could not have taught it back then in fact many jewish scholars today

03:45:41.300 i referenced many of those in that opening statement of the daniel debate i can refer to

03:45:44.740 them now this would be benjamin summer alan siegel uh schaefer etc boyar and all of those

03:45:51.220 scholars admit that the early church's view is not that distinct from the judaism of the time of

03:45:57.460 christ in recognizing more than one person in the trinity no i am not saying that the jews at that

03:46:04.500 time were all trinitarians

03:46:08.580 so i'm not saying that okay i'm not saying that jews necessarily accept trinitarianism i'm saying that

03:46:15.060 these scholars prove that in the time of christ there was not a generic unitarianism that characterized

03:46:21.300 what it is to be quote monotheist they didn't see a contradiction or a problem between the idea of

03:46:26.100 quote monotheism and the recognition of the father as the archaic cause and fount the angel of the lord

03:46:32.020 as his messenger which we see through all throughout the old testament who is called god who is called

03:46:35.620 divine who is called the messenger of the covenant who is called yahweh in exodus 3 exodus 23 throughout the

03:46:42.660 psalms and the many theophanies passages uh and many times in the prophets jesus predicted especially

03:46:47.620 in latter isaiah to be a divine messiah that would be worshipped so a lot of these uh references to

03:46:52.980 the trinity are primarily grounded rooted in the torah and the prophets islam however when it argues

03:47:00.020 against the trinity does so on the basis of it not being aware of or not being

03:47:12.660 and begotten menogenes theos so the eternal beginning all that is already at the beginning of

03:47:33.140 the gospel of john and again every chapter whether it's john 5 through 9 where jesus identifies himself

03:47:37.700 as the one at mount sinai talking to moses the one that gave the law jesus refers to himself as the

03:47:42.420 son of god many times over which means that his god is not allah because allah has no sons so jesus

03:47:47.860 many many times over throughout the gospel says he is the son of god and that he makes us by grace sons

03:47:52.180 of god this proves that there is not the same god of muhammad and the same god of jesus jesus is not

03:47:58.420 referring to allah as his father allah has no sons uh so when we come to the time of the early church

03:48:05.060 fathers they unanimously teach the deity of christ the uh triad as well the deity of the holy spirit

03:48:10.500 this becomes codified by the time of nicaea it's not invented at the time of nicaea you can read

03:48:14.900 the church fathers from irenaeus to ignatius to clement you can read cyril uh excuse me cyprian

03:48:21.060 you can read athanasius all these church fathers alexander writing prior to the kind of time

03:48:24.740 and i see that he's the deity of christ and what would become the doctrine or known as the doctrine of

03:48:28.660 the trinity so the trinity is not something foreign to the scriptures it's rooted in the torah

03:48:32.260 it's rooted in the prophets rooted in the new testament rooted in the teaching of christ himself

03:48:35.380 and uh i would add that when we compare it to what's in the quran the quran makes many mistakes

03:48:40.020 first of all about what the christians teach they say that we take our monks as lords we do not they

03:48:44.900 say they think that the quran thinks that we take mary as part of the trinity we do not uh the quran also

03:48:50.580 is itself confused in two areas that i always like to highlight which is that it claims that prior

03:48:55.780 revelation confirms it and backs it up and many times over like in uh surah five it says that you can

03:49:01.620 look to the previous revelation to confirm the new revelation but the old revelation contradicts

03:49:05.860 it and when muslims see the contradictions they do the same move of ijaz in the debate to say

03:49:10.580 uh well we reject all the times that it contradicts but we accept all the time that it is with

03:49:15.220 our revelation well that is a circle that's arguing for the thing that's in question we want to know

03:49:21.380 how does the prior revelation confirm the new revelation which the quran says it can do if the

03:49:27.460 prior revelations are corrupt and how foolish it would be to look to a corrupt book to supposedly

03:49:32.580 prove an incorrupt book so it makes no sense on the face of it uh i would also then argue that the

03:49:37.140 doctrine of tanzi that's uh derived from the passages that talk about all of being nothing

03:49:41.540 like creation 42 and i think around uh 110 somewhere in there it says that all is absolutely nothing like

03:49:47.460 creation and yet muslims many times over will utilize terminology language and so forth to

03:49:51.780 liken allah to a created thing to say that allah is merciful that he is just he has all these things

03:49:57.140 uh allah has the hand has the shin and so forth things that come up in uh the accepted uh hadith

03:50:03.700 well all of those things are contradictory to the notion of tawhid that god is a pure unity or pure

03:50:08.260 oneness this is why muslims for centuries have debated amongst themselves whether the attributes

03:50:12.100 are really distinct and you have people like jake salafis and others who say no yes uh allah has a

03:50:17.300 foot has a shin we don't know the modality but he really has these things they're real attributes

03:50:20.900 and yet we're said to be only a religion of perfect unity and perfect oneness yet he's many well the

03:50:27.460 same problem that you have with the attributes and the dependence relationship of the attributes on

03:50:32.180 allah's essence and amongst themselves is no different than the question that we have about

03:50:36.100 the persons of the trinity it's just simply that you say that we have a problem that you don't have

03:50:39.860 to answer when you have the exact same problem in relationship to the attributes and allah's essence

03:50:45.460 and their dependence relationship and if you don't think there's a dependence relationship

03:50:49.220 then i'll just simply say do you believe that they are then uh say or self-existent if they're

03:50:52.900 self-existent then you have uh what 99 gods so you have the same problem but a double standard as to

03:50:59.700 how you answer that i'm not saying note that you believe that the attributes of persons i know you

03:51:04.740 don't believe that but the same problem of the one and the many and the dependence status between the

03:51:10.260 attributes and the essence is the problem that you cannot answer because within islam there are

03:51:14.740 countless multiple contradictions how much time do i have you're good yeah i don't think he gave you

03:51:19.380 a specific time yeah you're good i thought he said five minute opening or whatever uh that was good

03:51:24.660 that was concise i think that's fine uh you want to respond muscle lantern yeah uh okay uh during my

03:51:33.540 response i want to ask you questions if that's fine right i just want to ask first question is what is

03:51:38.180 the trinity in your belief what is the trinity just because we're talking about the trinity so i think

03:51:42.020 defining terms is important because you said you found it present in the old system so where is the

03:51:45.780 trinity it's a doctrine that god is first and foremost identified with the person of the father

03:51:52.500 the father is what we call the arcade the fount the source the cause the supreme beginning of uh the

03:51:58.980 other two persons and that's revealed to be the person of his eternally begotten son who identify as

03:52:05.140 the lord jesus christ and with his eternal holy spirit so they are three in one they share a common

03:52:11.780 essence or nature in that they come from the father and they derive the same nature from the

03:52:16.980 father as jesus says in john 5 and 6 but they're also really and truly distinct which is why we see

03:52:22.180 jesus for example praying to the father asking things of the father and so forth so the bible we

03:52:27.060 believe teaches both of those things that he is one and three and it's not a problem for monotheism

03:52:31.860 because actually the word monotheism is a really late term that you don't see until the 1600s

03:52:37.380 so i i'm sorry i didn't get a definition but i'll give a definition and then you can confirm with me

03:52:42.820 you said a few things i understand them but i wanted like a concise definition right you tell me whether

03:52:47.380 this is like representative of the trinity or not you have uh god the father god the son god the holy

03:52:53.060 spirit okay uh father is not the son son is not the holy spirit three persons in one being

03:52:59.060 uh so there's one being but there's three persons that are within that one being and um the they are

03:53:07.620 co-equal co-eternal so they share they are equal in in everything and they're eternal the same way

03:53:14.260 is that a good representation of what the trinity is well uh some of that terminology is a little

03:53:19.060 ambiguous which is why i gave you a specific monarchical trinitarian definition so the model that i gave you

03:53:24.660 was a definition it's called monarchical trinitarianism and it's distinct from a lot of western

03:53:29.220 trinitarian theology that you might find in roman catholicism so i was being very precise in the

03:53:34.340 response that i gave no no but do you agree you've not told me do you agree the if you say something

03:53:39.700 is ambiguous you can tell me that this specific part is i don't agree with it but ambiguous then

03:53:43.860 you can clarify it what i've said is that the definition of the trinity or not i just want a

03:53:47.780 concise definition is it that there are three persons in one being that quote equal quote eternal and

03:53:52.900 they're not the same like the father is not the son son is in the spirit but they're one god

03:53:56.580 very simple do you agree with that okay so because this is how i see people anyone who've seen define

03:54:02.020 the trinity define it that way so i just wanted a agreement with that okay so that's the trinity

03:54:06.580 now you quoted john one and you tried to say that the scripture shows the trinity etc quoting john one

03:54:11.700 is not a evidence for the trinity a trinity says three persons in one b person is separate from the

03:54:16.500 being john one doesn't say that it says in the beginning was the word the word was with god

03:54:20.340 and the word was with god was god the word became flush among among us if this is what you're

03:54:24.740 referring to that's not three persons in one being there uh it does not talk about the fact that they're

03:54:29.220 distinct persons in one entity i didn't say that john by the way it's my it's my it's my it's my time

03:54:35.460 right no you you said you wanted conversation you didn't say no no i said i'll ask you a question within

03:54:40.820 my time because you made many points i have to respond to them well but i didn't say that the trinity is

03:54:47.060 three persons in john one okay i said that you i you said many things but as well so you'd have to

03:54:52.180 okay but what you're saying is a straw man that wasn't what i know we'll we'll have a back and

03:54:55.460 forth after i'm done but i did allow to speak for like five minutes and make so many points i

03:54:58.820 i got it oh wait so the back and forth is only when you ask a question i'm confused you don't want

03:55:03.860 a five minute i thought you wanted to find an open yeah i have an opening statement i'm saying within

03:55:08.420 my opening statement i'll ask you questions for clarification that's it so you respond to the question

03:55:12.420 and the question was what is the trinity because it's the debate of the topic that's it so i needed the

03:55:15.780 clarification on that other than that i wanted to finish as well we're responding to all the points

03:55:23.780 that you made right and then we can get into back and forth no problem i don't mind

03:55:39.140 but i gotta respond because you made so many points right before you before you continue is

03:55:43.060 uh does that sound okay for both sides okay i would say that um you know with your with your

03:55:50.420 question there uh while you were speaking and kind of gave the impression that you were looking for

03:55:54.420 back and forth because if he's going to clarify you know a question he has to fully clarify so you

03:56:01.140 understand so he wasn't really done with the clarification is what i thought no no no we passed

03:56:05.540 from the point of the trinity he nodded his head his head this is the trinity and then i went to

03:56:09.540 it something else and then he said i didn't say x y and okay so i'm supposed to know when yeah okay

03:56:14.740 no no just the question i'll ask for example is the trinity give a response and that's it like

03:56:18.820 that's all i wanted i didn't want like everything i'll mention that then you will come or then it's

03:56:22.820 not going to be an opening statement right so uh you said that church fathers were unified on the idea

03:56:27.700 of the trinity that's that is false i have not many examples yeah just another strongman okay but

03:56:35.940 i'm not going to be able to talk if you everything i say that you're going to okay so i can't reply

03:56:40.900 can when we get can when we can you write down what you believe i'm strongmaning

03:56:44.260 un and then we can have an open discussion about that once i'm done with opening state

03:56:49.700 okay sure uh okay uh clarify what you remember what you said about the church fathers what did you say

03:56:55.780 about the church fathers right so it's a fallacy of ambiguity to say that i mean that they don't have

03:57:02.820 debate i said that they're unified on teaching the three persons and that there is the deity of

03:57:07.380 christ they do teach those things they also have debates on these topics too you they have a unified

03:57:12.500 agreement on what the trinity is or they don't no that's not what i said okay good so we have that

03:57:18.020 established that the church fathers did not agree no not agree you're twisting what they did it okay

03:57:25.460 is there a unified teaching of unity in allah no so there's debate over it you know that so you're

03:57:29.700 trying to pin me into saying something i'm not saying that's not my question to you you're not

03:57:33.460 answering my question you're all trying to get you no no it's either good do you know what that is

03:57:39.300 okay it's a simple question policy of simplicity did the church fathers that's what the fallacy is

03:57:44.260 making a simple question for a complex that's that's the problem always with questions like we

03:57:49.140 allow you to speak you cannot that we know fallacies that's the problem i'm asking i'm asking a simple

03:57:53.540 question uh did the church whatever that's the fallacy my question is not a fallacy i asked did

03:58:00.740 the church fathers it's either yes or no let me finish the question and stop interrupting uh i asked

03:58:06.980 a simple question do that you can say yes or no you can say that's a fallacy whatever people can

03:58:11.780 can make a judgment i asked a simple question did the church fathers have an agreement what these trips

03:58:17.380 might work on your audience they don't work over here okay so you just this is how christians are always we

03:58:22.100 try to have discussions if you don't even allow you to finish even five minutes create a complex

03:58:26.900 question fallacy and make it an either or that's why you keep saying it's a simple question it's a

03:58:31.780 difficult question look you're interrupting a lot is it a simple question about allah and his

03:58:36.100 attributes is that a simple question yes yes and i'm going to it's simple is it so there's not

03:58:40.100 debates amongst the akidahs on that it is a simple question and i'm going to respond to it but will you

03:58:44.900 allow me it's not a simple question you know okay again this try what's the relationship it's not

03:58:50.340 going to work okay you're interrupting and this is not how discussions work you're either going to

03:58:54.820 allow me to speak and make my opening statements there is no moderation going on right now right

03:58:59.540 so you guys there's a false either or a fallacy is that a fallacy is the false either or a fallacy

03:59:06.020 if the moderators are not going to join i'm not going to but you won't answer right there's no no i can

03:59:10.500 speak of my opening statement without you asking me questions it's my opening statement not yours

03:59:14.100 what do you think asking questions playing games dude come on okay to make this fair how about this

03:59:21.300 uh can you ask the question and because uh jay is saying that it's a complicated uh question you can

03:59:26.660 you respond to it uh in under a minute you can ask the question again it's complicated you can have a

03:59:30.740 minute to respond to the question no look look he's not i'm not going to ask him any questions because

03:59:35.380 what he's trying to do is just waste time uh he i was making a point then he said you misrepresented me

03:59:40.340 so okay go ahead represent yourself he doesn't want to represent himself i'm saying i gave you a

03:59:47.140 super precise well i don't want to represent myself when i gave you a super precise definition of the

03:59:51.140 trinity you didn't the question i asked i didn't get i gave you a five minute super precise monarch

03:59:56.020 okay here is my argument anyways okay so you can stop talking about questions i'm gonna i'm gonna say

04:00:01.300 my opening statement like you did like i allowed to speak with the interruptions don't you don't get

04:00:05.060 another five minutes it's your fault that you have what do you mean another five what do you mean

04:00:08.420 another five there's a stupid thing to ask questions in your opening statement that was

04:00:11.540 done with you okay i'm gonna continue with my opening statement responding to what what 10 minutes 20

04:00:18.500 minutes 30 minutes how many at the same time that you have i'm going to be continuing to do that you've

04:00:23.620 already gone for what four or five minutes it's not my fault you asked a question you've been talking

04:00:27.860 not me it's it's a waste of time i'm not going to waste my time allowing you to speak so now

04:00:31.700 you ask the question i'm going to continue i'm going to continue with my proposition and you can you're

04:00:36.020 not going to keep jumping by saying you're misrepresenting me this is strong man you're

04:00:38.580 going to listen like i listen to you like i listen to you and then you we can have a discussion and

04:00:43.940 we can have one-to-one back and forth and you can say okay we'll give you uh two minutes um for to

04:00:48.500 finish your statement no at least three minutes two minutes is not fair three he made he made multiple

04:00:53.460 points okay okay uh okay without interruption i'm gonna continue now with whatever opening statement

04:00:59.380 okay church fathers were in complete disagreement on uh their beliefs and what constitutes the trinity there's

04:01:04.500 many quotes that i have over here that can demonstrate that so to try and come and say

04:01:09.140 there's kind of a unified agreement or whatever it is that's completely not true and they have complete

04:01:13.860 different beliefs uh from one another i'm going to read just some of these uh positions so ignatius

04:01:19.460 for example had a position on subordinates and you can lead uh in his letter to magnesians chapter 13

04:01:26.900 be subject to the bishop uh and to one another as jesus christ to the father so he believes that jesus

04:01:33.060 christ was subject to the father uh you have scholars who say these positions so it's not it's

04:01:37.460 not me taking a quotation out the context like some people will try to come and pretend for example uh

04:01:42.660 virginia crown says in saint ignatius and christianity in antioch in page 143 none of these passages after

04:01:48.820 she's mentioning some passages of the beliefs that uh ignatius had adds to the understanding of the

04:01:54.500 trinity meant to ignatius we are forced to conclude there was a very uh undefined belief indeed so he didn't

04:02:01.060 have a defined belief uh william schudel says in ignatius commentary page 20 ignatius uh casually

04:02:07.460 uses triturian formula he makes he does not he makes little of them theologically so he does not

04:02:12.100 make theological arguments in regards to the trinity uh so this is not a specific person believe i can do

04:02:17.620 the same thing with irenaeus now with the tritulia i don't have much time but i can do that he is

04:02:21.700 welcome to ask and i can give the quotations of every single one of them some of them would believe that

04:02:27.060 the son was created by the father some of them would believe the father is superior to the son

04:02:31.860 they're not they're not uh co-equal as the doctor of the trinity says now he says oh the quran says

04:02:37.380 that it confirms the previous scriptures yeah we we know what it means but confirms the previous

04:02:41.060 scriptures you can open the quran chapter 5 47 48 where it says that it's a criterion over it which

04:02:46.420 means whatever disagrees it's not a jazz position as he's trying to make it that's a muslim position and

04:02:50.820 it's mentioned by scholars that the the scripture is changed and if it is changed they don't ever would

04:02:55.380 disagree with that then we completely disagree with it now what does confirm mean it means it

04:02:59.540 confirms that there was previous revelations that was revealed to the previous prophets

04:03:03.060 and it confirms the existence of previous prophets that's what confirms means doesn't mean that we say

04:03:07.140 that everything in there is completely uh okay you said proven uh a corrupted scripture and not

04:03:12.980 corrupted scripture was a corrupted scripture we don't try to prove islam using the bible we never

04:03:17.540 tried to do that you said in ziha doctrine and you made so many fallacies uh trying to equate an

04:03:23.140 attribute to a part which is something that we don't believe in as muslim where is the fallacy so

04:03:27.620 yes three minutes on order of today you got one more minute yeah so uh we don't believe attributes

04:03:33.300 are parts we don't use that terminology when it comes to the attributes of allah to say that just

04:03:37.300 because god has attributes that therefore god has many parts is ridiculous to say that we say that

04:03:42.180 allah is not like anyone and we have an attribute he has an attribute therefore he's like us no we believe

04:03:46.500 for instance our knowledge is limited is is dependent on allah we don't know the the future and we forget the

04:03:52.740 knowledge of allah is ultimate he knows the past present and future he knows a hypothetical situation

04:03:57.060 so it's not the same so when we say it's not like it then it is not like it because god's knowledge

04:04:00.900 is perfect and knowledge is limited and that is the same with all the attributes of god the way

04:04:04.900 allah possesses them is perfect the way you possess them is not an attribute is something that does not

04:04:09.620 exist in abstract exists within something and that's something that remains one nobody says that having

04:04:13.780 attributes makes me more than one i have love compassion hate fear all of that no one says therefore

04:04:18.340 i'm 100 or 200 because i have different 10 seconds that's just ridiculous yeah so just to put it

04:04:23.620 simply like to say black cannot exist within itself has to exist in a shirt or an object attributes do

04:04:28.180 not exist in vacuum okay uh jay we'll give you three minutes to respond yeah let's do time

04:04:38.980 because he admitted that the analogy that he gave to parts of a shirt like attributes like color the color

04:04:44.340 black those are black those are parts and by the way i didn't argue that you thought allah had parts

04:04:48.820 i know that you don't think he does my argument is that you contradict when you say that he has

04:04:53.220 attributes that are dependent do you believe that the attributes are self-existent or they do they depend

04:05:00.180 upon allah's essence and amongst themselves in a dependence relationship

04:05:06.420 okay um sure okay well then then the three minutes is uh is forfeited so you respond to the question

04:05:12.740 no it's not forfeited he asked me a question in his opening state and i can ask him a question

04:05:16.980 and then we decided to go three minutes back and forth so i mean if we're going to do questions then

04:05:22.340 the we can't do the three minutes uninterrupted again so okay i'll let you respond to this muscle

04:05:27.140 answer question uh 30 seconds to respond oh yeah he mentioned something about uh uh the color being

04:05:34.020 apart i did i mentioned many attributes like love and hate and this and that's that's that is a straw man

04:05:38.500 uh are they dependent is it a defense relationship to respond to the the dependence or not dependence

04:05:44.020 we don't use the terminology a lot doesn't use it so therefore i don't use it i believe it's an

04:05:47.700 attribute and an attribute exists within the the creator we don't use the term dependent or independent

04:05:53.780 to them are they distinct what do you mean by that by the way you you do you do use that terminology

04:06:01.380 in debates because jake used that terminology i'm not jake i'm not jake i know but you but you're saying

04:06:06.580 you you guys don't use that terminology he did i'm talking about that from an islamic position you're

04:06:10.900 not allowed to talk about allah so are they dependent or not okay so in other words you have a double

04:06:15.380 stick you have a double my defense what do you know that he has the double standard to where in his

04:06:19.140 position i don't have to answer these questions i don't know the relationship i didn't say that i

04:06:23.940 asked you that is what you said you said we don't have to answer that i asked that's what you said

04:06:27.700 dependent i asked you what you mean by dependent are they are they are they you have to clarify what do you

04:06:33.620 mean are they are set okay you're not going to respond to you i'm sorry you don't know the

04:06:39.620 terms are they self-existent what do you mean by self-existent do they exist of themselves you don't

04:06:44.660 know that work they exist within the create as i said to you they exist they exist with allah and

04:06:51.780 there is nothing that exists separate from its attributes you're making uh uh false argument here

04:06:57.300 by trying to separate the atmosphere within your akidah your akidah's debate this and you know i don't know

04:07:02.020 what your akidah is but i don't you don't know what his school is playing like he doesn't this is what

04:07:08.420 they do they pretend that they don't know these are classic debates that they killed each other over

04:07:12.180 the relationship of like the mutazila then the mutakala imam the salafi you all do this does all

04:07:17.460 i have an uncreated foot okay so you talked about the my cousin who were the mother said what did they

04:07:22.180 believe give me the four principles of my five principles of them

04:07:26.020 that's what you said so present me what did they believe you don't even know what they believe

04:07:50.580 you're not no i don't have to define your schools for you so you don't know what they need so you

04:07:54.660 don't have it it doesn't matter the four principles when you can't they didn't believe what you believe

04:07:58.740 you can't notice he won't answer the question of allah because he doesn't know what the word

04:08:03.700 self-existent and honestly means you're incorrect about islamic what's your position i don't care about

04:08:08.740 that what's your position what's your position my position is what the quran sonna teaches uh which is

04:08:15.140 what so you're what question you gotta give me a question and then i gotta respond to it so what

04:08:19.460 is the relationship of allah to his attributes are they are they outside or not i responded to you

04:08:26.500 you're deflecting and you're everyone knows the attribute is not separated everyone knows this no

04:08:30.820 they know you're saying that you're you're saying your schools don't debate this i this is the problem

04:08:36.260 you don't even know what my schools believe you don't even know it doesn't matter what it doesn't

04:08:40.180 matter maybe i don't know anything maybe i don't know anything that's a fallacy that doesn't prove your

04:08:44.900 position sure you don't know anything your fallacy machine all right thank you but you can't answer

04:08:49.780 this basic question can you you don't know the relationship of allah to his attributes for the

04:08:54.340 fourth time i responded to you what do you mean by that you didn't answer that you deflected i told

04:09:00.260 you the attributes of allah are not something that we say is a part or separated from allah we don't

04:09:05.860 believe that we believe every request just like are they are they just like you cannot separate my love and

04:09:10.980 hate from me uh those are parts of allah sorry but you said nothing like that's ridiculous i thought

04:09:17.540 he's nothing like creature a part is something again you see you said the support so it shows

04:09:21.460 that you are saying attributes you said the parts you can't understand that i'm putting now you're

04:09:26.180 consulting like a kid like a child you're just exposing your ignorance attributes are not parts

04:09:30.980 human beings have attributes your position hate hate you cannot separate hate on you you contradicted

04:09:36.020 yourself and when you compared it to parts of your shirt the problem you're doing that is because

04:09:41.460 you know that you're sure you know the trinity is that now i go back to the dollar

04:09:47.540 who have independent you're you have 99 existences independent wells they're separate from one another

04:09:54.260 so now you're trying to compare that how you know what he knows what the word means he pretended like

04:10:00.900 he didn't know earlier because now we're trying to compare that to attributes because you have a

04:10:04.020 problem with atheism we don't believe in jesus worshiping when you have jesus worshiping they're

04:10:08.020 not independent that's not our following down and prostrating to him that's not an attribute of an

04:10:12.020 individual you don't even you don't even know what i already have commanding the holy spirit

04:10:17.300 you have the son commanding the holy spirit that's all he does that's monarchical trinitarianism that's

04:10:22.420 the position i gave you that he gets and acting like a child and i think you gotta relax

04:10:26.420 okay you're saying this because you literally didn't answer any of the questions i asked you

04:10:30.500 about the attributes you said it's like shirts shirts have parts dude i didn't say your analogy

04:10:35.380 black yeah i think you're deaf because that's part of it you don't think shirt you don't so

04:10:38.900 blackness is not part of your shirt show me the existence of black what is that what does it

04:10:44.180 have to do it's a part say it's accidental it's not a part it's not and i i give an example of love

04:10:50.900 and hate you're holding a shirt which is made up okay okay what is love and hate how can you

04:10:54.820 separate them how can you separate them from you use the analogy to a creature when all has nothing

04:10:59.220 like creatures now i've given an energy someone like you so they can understand we can have attributes

04:11:03.780 and allah can have attributes that's not what we mean no muslim scholar in islamic history said

04:11:10.500 that there's nothing like also it means he doesn't have attributes that is the they they are the most

04:11:14.500 ridiculous argument i have nothing like creatures all muslim scholars have said that the attributes of

04:11:19.700 allah are maximally perfect we can have attributes but a limited attribute the creator can have

04:11:23.220 max imperfect i know you believe that but i don't even understand the contradiction i'm pointing out

04:11:29.220 how is there a comparison of allah to creatures when he's nothing like creatures you compare them to

04:11:33.780 your shirt and the parts of your shirt what do you mean what do you mean by nothing like what do you

04:11:38.100 mean by that like honestly such a childish thing what do you mean by there's nothing like allah what we

04:11:44.180 mean by there's nothing like when it says the attributes of allah it says allah is nothing like

04:11:49.380 creatures okay and i responded to you allah is not i know but you know you gave an analogy of a

04:11:54.740 created shirt and its parts no i didn't do that you're yes you said you're deaf i said the color black

04:12:00.740 look he says no i didn't know i said the black on my shirt is an attribute i said colors don't exist in

04:12:07.780 abstract but whatever that has to exist has to exist as something it's a creature so is your shirt

04:12:12.900 a created analogy is it a created analogy the shirt is is it a created analogy the color black is an

04:12:19.220 attribute oh is it an analogy i exist actually created things analogous to allah going in a circle now so

04:12:26.180 there's no point no you're just not answering you're avoiding it so you're using created things with

04:12:30.580 parts that are combined me answering as an analogy to allah who's nothing like creatures

04:12:35.540 all right let's do timing because as you can see it's just uh because he's running

04:12:41.060 do the timing because i can't do it okay let's try to reduce the ad homes but that's fair we'll go

04:12:46.580 we'll resume from jay's question and then we'll do 30 seconds back and forth each time i'm going to be

04:12:50.260 specific with the timer so jay can you repeat your question and then 30 seconds the question was

04:12:54.420 very explicitly you made an analogy to allah and his attributes to a shirt with parts and accidental

04:13:03.540 things like colors when the quran says twice that allah is nothing like creatures so your analogy

04:13:10.100 doesn't work and it doesn't tell us anything how do you resolve that 30 seconds okay i never

04:13:15.380 made that he doesn't understand what he's talking about i made an analogy for him about the idea of

04:13:19.860 an attribute the attributes now the analogy is to do the attribute is not to do with allah is

04:13:23.620 conflating the two the idea is that attributes do not exist uninterrupted jay come on yeah he can't do it

04:13:29.700 right attributes do not exist in abstract they have to exist to them something they're not separable

04:13:33.860 they're not parts and that's how we look at the attributes of allah is not like anything because

04:13:37.780 his attributes are maximally perfect they're not like ours simple it's very very simple and people

04:13:41.540 listening can but he doesn't even understand the critique okay do you do you want to continue with

04:13:47.940 the question thing so i i should give a question now and once again okay but okay okay so now let's let

04:13:54.100 let lancer respond with the question but we have to do uninterrupted or else this is a

04:13:57.140 this is a waste of time so i'll let lancer pose a question here you could also respond

04:14:01.140 uh to what you wanted in the last one but this 30 seconds back and forth lancer uh go ahead

04:14:05.940 all right so we he agreed that the trinity means that the three persons are quote equal quote term

04:14:10.820 we look at jesus in mark 13 32 who explicitly mentions and says that he does not know the hour

04:14:16.580 while the father knows the hour and i can bring a quote from a church father right now who is explaining

04:14:20.580 that this to superiority of the father over the son did not equal because one of them knows when the

04:14:25.860 hour is going to happen the other doesn't know jesus is going to say that's his human nature it's

04:14:29.220 irrelevant because he had both natures divine and human nature so you cannot come and say that's the

04:14:33.460 human nature so how does jesus not know something and you claim that he's equal with the father and

04:14:37.780 the holy spirit doesn't know as well because the first verse says only the father knows mark 13 32.

04:14:42.500 okay do you have a question to follow up i know is he supposed to answer right question answer did you

04:14:49.380 what was the question the question is how does he say yeah so i agree he understands i agree

04:14:57.220 yeah and uh no i don't answer it the way he thought i was going to answer i answered according to the way

04:15:00.980 saint basil does in letter 235 and 6 where he says that the limitation there is a form of rhetoric or

04:15:07.140 exaggeration which jesus does in many places where he says for example that there's none good but the

04:15:11.460 father does that mean that no one else is good no it's rhetoric because in other places he also qualifies

04:15:17.220 that and says that the son also is good he says that people are good the holy spirit is good a good

04:15:22.180 man will do this or that so no when he says things like that we have a consistent uh exegetical pattern

04:15:27.780 as to how we explain those passages and we don't believe the bible contradicts so there are passages

04:15:33.060 that talk about the subordination which if he understood what monarchical trinitarianism is we

04:15:38.020 recognize the subordination of the son to the father but not according to essence so he doesn't

04:15:42.820 understand that that's different that's a different theology than he has he thinks that

04:15:46.900 distinction entails uh like differences in terms of ontology we believe that just as a son can share

04:15:52.740 the same nature as his father he can be subject to the father that doesn't doesn't mean the father

04:15:57.140 has more human nature than a son that's an analogy your position by the way doesn't make sense in terms

04:16:01.700 of analogies because you said you made an analogy to help me but your very analogy doesn't work because

04:16:07.940 Allah's attributes and his existence are nothing like the thing and things in the created order so your

04:16:13.140 analogy doesn't work that was the critique that was a little over a minute that was a bit over a minute

04:16:17.620 i'll answer if you could respond in a minute yeah okay uh i respond very very simply that's how christians

04:16:23.540 try to run away from the scripture i just said i can present uh quotations i can present commentary

04:16:28.980 people explicitly saying that this is an issue uh that that one knows something while the other doesn't

04:16:34.020 know something but they'll throw this is just rhetoric rhetoric like jesus says there's no one good by the

04:16:37.620 father he means ultimately good yes there is no one perfect in his goodness except the father

04:16:41.540 we agree there's no issues there so that verse that jesus says it doesn't have an issue we also

04:16:45.460 agree when he says he doesn't know that he does it and you cannot be god and you don't know something

04:16:49.700 because god knows everything or the time so you cannot run away from the subject in something and

04:16:53.620 you said by the way uh the son is subject to the father you believe the son is subject exactly so he's

04:16:57.220 subject to the father they're not equal in the sense that they are equal in every position everywhere in

04:17:02.260 every shape and that's why we say that what you call the father is a true god but jesus is someone who's

04:17:06.420 subjected to him that is not simply okay uh j if you respond in a minute yeah but you're missing the

04:17:13.780 point that at the beginning i said that i wouldn't immediately commit to your understanding of the

04:17:17.380 words co-equal because in some ways they are equal in terms of power and in terms of nature but that

04:17:22.420 doesn't mean they're equal in every sense so that's why i was hesitant to agree to your tricks of

04:17:27.300 terminology there with making it simple and making it easy that's why i use monarchical trinitarianism which

04:17:33.220 again to use the analogy of a father or a king and his son the king and the son the prince possess

04:17:39.460 the same natures the king is not more human than the son and yet the son still is subject to the

04:17:45.220 father this is orthodox trinitarianism i'm not a roman catholic so this is our position which i stated

04:17:50.260 from the very outset in the first five minutes but you just didn't know about that but when you gave

04:17:54.340 your analogy again of the attributes you didn't answer the question you avoided it you ignored it and you

04:17:58.980 wanted to switch over into the question of jesus's knowledge which is fine i don't have a problem

04:18:02.820 mentioning the fact that jesus uses rhetoric and exaggerated language all the time he says

04:18:07.300 if your hand caused you to sin cut it off he's not saying literally cut your hand off he's also not

04:18:12.340 saying that no one is good but the father in rhetoric so in the same way he can express that the the father

04:18:18.260 is the sole source of all existence goodness knowledge etc and yet at the same time the other passages

04:18:24.980 also confirm in john five and six that jesus has all the same powers knowledge and uh activities

04:18:31.540 as the father everything the father has has been committed to the son so you selectively choose

04:18:35.860 the passages and i want to go back to my question then how do you know which passages are the correct

04:18:41.780 passages in the bible and which ones are the corrupted ones when all those word cannot be corrupted and i'm

04:18:48.340 told in uh let's cut it at that that was that was well over a minute uh lancer if you could respond

04:18:53.220 to that question i'll give you 90 seconds so all right i'm very happy that look he shows he changes

04:18:58.260 his position he agreed when i said is that the trinity he shake his head and he said yes now he knows

04:19:02.900 that this is going to be problematic so he admits that they're not equal and i'm happy that's it

04:19:06.260 that's what we're all trying to show us let's not let him respond uninterrupted don't interrupt shut up

04:19:12.420 like you said to me i'll say the same thing to you they're not they're not equal with your own

04:19:17.060 statement you said that they are not equal yes they are not equal exactly that's what we believe

04:19:20.500 as muslims the father who you call the father is superior to what you call the son you give an

04:19:24.020 analogy of king and son exactly the king commands the son is superior to the son is not equal to him

04:19:28.980 so i love that you get it sure now i'm gonna go up to jay jay jay jay you're interrupting again

04:19:36.980 thank you uh please don't interrupt when it comes to rhetoric and not rhetoric they run away from

04:19:42.180 anything which is clear for example i'll bring him now john 17 3 where jesus says explicit it is no

04:19:47.060 true god the only true god is the father he says the only true god addressing the father is the

04:19:50.580 only true god and he doesn't get which means that any other deity is false we have all over the bible

04:19:55.940 jesus making statements that can't be appear divine i can say it's reticor as well anyone can say it

04:19:59.940 trick okay whatever verse you're going to bring up is also rhetoric and we play this game whichever verse

04:20:04.100 you don't like we just call it a rhetoric so the game with playing with these things that don't agree

04:20:08.900 with you is you try to escape the position and the fact that jesus was subordinate submissive so you have

04:20:12.900 people arguing it in the council of nicaea and other councils because they believed that he was

04:20:16.180 subordinate they didn't believe he was equal you have tons of harris's to do that because the trinity

04:20:20.900 makes no logical sense now you lied by the way and you said there's a verse in john that says that they

04:20:25.540 have the same power they have the same knowledge they have the same wisdom or whatever it is 10 seconds

04:20:28.820 go ahead and read that verse for us exactly what it says now you said in the quran i'm responding to

04:20:33.540 what you said the quran which verse which verses are uh corrupted which verses are not whoever agrees with

04:20:38.180 the quran we believe that is therefore accepted and true whatever disagrees we reject whatever

04:20:43.220 doesn't agree or disagree we are agnostic about it that is the islamic position given by the prophet

04:20:47.380 okay now jay i'll give you i'll cut you off there uh jay i'll give you 90 seconds to respond

04:20:52.500 yeah this guy's fine games because he knows that nobody interprets any text as if every single phrase or

04:20:58.500 idea that is expressed is in that single text the trinity is a doctrine that's derived from all the texts

04:21:04.420 of the scriptures not from this or that verse and so he's setting up a false criteria for me to use

04:21:09.940 the exact terminology in any single verse jesus says in john 16 15 that everything that the father has

04:21:16.820 has been given to the son that means all of his existence all of his powers all of his attributes

04:21:21.940 the son also shares i answered his question when he asked whether you said there are co-equal

04:21:27.460 yeah co-equal in nature hence the example of the father and the son being distinct persons

04:21:33.060 same in nature equal in nature equal in nature means that equal in the power that proceeds from

04:21:38.500 that nature so yes throughout the gospel of john every chapter every book uh excuse me every chapter

04:21:44.900 in the book of john includes a reference to the deed of christ and or a reference to the triad

04:21:50.180 no goofus that doesn't mean the word trinity is in the book it means the concept the teaching of

04:21:55.060 the trinity is in the book just like it's throughout the old testament not the words it doesn't have to

04:21:58.980 have the words that's your criteria that you are made up for me now i asked you a specific question

04:22:04.420 about you going to the text and the prior revelation and what your your your uh criteria was you ignored

04:22:11.380 it you didn't answer it i want to know what is your criteria for knowing when in the old testament

04:22:16.980 it's true and when it's false is it not the quran the very thing in question 90 seconds for lantern

04:22:21.780 all right so clearly he said it is not from a part of the thing this is derived from everything it is

04:22:28.180 not he's essentially saying it's not clear which is what we love to hear is that the doctrine of the

04:22:32.820 trinity is not clear in the bible that's what that's why i said i can present many quotes from

04:22:37.220 church fathers in which they disagree with one another what they believed the son was and the

04:22:40.900 father was you had all of these councils you had all of these disagreements heretical people who were

04:22:45.220 killed because the the idea of the trinity is not there i never asked him for the word he like

04:22:49.780 tried to throw man as if i asked him where is the word trinity i never said that i said the concept

04:22:52.980 that's why i started by defining he didn't answer john 17 3 because he knows it's a thorn

04:22:57.620 uh in in his side when i said jesus said the only true god is the father he did not respond to that

04:23:02.980 or he completely ignored it i responded to his question about the verses which verses i said to

04:23:06.740 whoever agrees with islam generally the quran and hadith we will accept that this statement is true

04:23:11.380 so when it says in john and in the tromi 6 4 that there's one god we accept that it's true no problem

04:23:16.100 anything which would disagree we will reject like if something says jesus died

04:23:19.380 we could say that is false it's corrupted that is change now already already biblical scholars agree

04:23:23.700 that the the bible has been corrupted i don't need to do any a lot of research regarding that

04:23:28.180 now when you said god's words doesn't change change that verse you quoted is talking about allah's

04:23:33.380 promise and you're quoting it out of uh out of context like i say i don't change my word i keep my

04:23:39.300 word we're talking about promises we're not talking about the revelation of the previous scriptures

04:23:43.060 because the quran already explains the revelation of the previous scriptures is it has been changed now you

04:23:47.780 said whatever the father has been given is being given to me that's clearly not the case because

04:23:51.300 jesus did not know and he said he didn't know and he said only the father knew and what he means by

04:23:54.820 that is not talking about attributes okay perfect uh jade 90 seconds yeah notice he did not answer the

04:24:01.220 exact challenge i gave him i asked him what the epistemic criteria was and he said that uh the quran

04:24:07.060 backs up the promises of prior revelation when it's with the so in other words the quran proves the quran by

04:24:11.940 citing the quran passages in the old testament and yet we read in the quran that it actually says

04:24:18.260 that you can go to the prior revelation to see that the new revelation is consistent with it we have

04:24:23.780 revealed to you o prophet the book of truth confirmation in the previous scriptures and a

04:24:29.140 supreme authority upon them so you judge between them what allah has revealed and now he's admitting

04:24:36.180 what was his source many scholars say the bible's corrupted oh really so many scholars who are

04:24:42.740 atheist unbelieving is what you go to not to your prophet muhammad who said that you can go to the

04:24:47.860 prior jewish torah scriptures and christian scriptures those scriptures confirm supposedly

04:24:53.620 what's in the quran you just said no they're all corrupt so allah and muhammad are directing me to go

04:24:59.940 to a corrupt book to prove your book you don't see how silly that is and then when i asked you for a

04:25:04.340 standard you said the standard is the quran but the thing in question is the quran so you're in a

04:25:09.300 circle a circle and it's a fallacy to appeal to authorities to say we all know that that's a

04:25:16.100 fallacy i know you guys don't know what fallacies are they're haram in uh islam 10 seconds right

04:25:22.420 logic is haram so uh what's the standard again okay 90 seconds for muslim lantern and he said i didn't

04:25:30.980 give him a criteria i clearly did i said what agrees with the quran and hadith it it is we accept it

04:25:34.900 whoever disagrees or reject it he said quran proves nobody here is talking about proving the quran

04:25:39.620 nobody's also talking about uh the quran proving the bible you're just misunderstanding things here

04:25:45.300 and you're just complaining terms and you're just going around in circle nobody's talking about anything

04:25:49.060 proving anything i already explained to you what the word confirmed there means you clearly don't

04:25:52.500 understand what you're saying there's nothing there that says that it's proving it the first you that is

04:25:56.820 you mentioned it's refuting i was laughing how could you read this verse i think it's supporting you

04:26:00.660 verse 5 the chapter 5 of the quran verse 48 which you were reading is refuting you it is literally

04:26:05.140 saying so judge between them with the quran with what allah has revealed to you and do not listen to

04:26:09.060 their desires and the next verse is the same thing and you read yourself for this is a supreme authority

04:26:13.460 over it which means that whatever the quran dictates is a supreme authority over the bible that's

04:26:18.260 exactly what i've been saying all this time and i'm laughing how could you read that verse i think that is

04:26:22.420 supporting you now this is just this is completely ridiculous so now uh the quran says it's also

04:26:29.380 corrupted it's mentioned in multiple parts for example the quran says in chapter 2 verse 75 and

04:26:34.260 mentioned in chapter 2 verse 79 how they write the scripture of their own hand and they claim it is

04:26:38.100 from god you said logic is haram nobody said anything about logic is haram again coming back to 17

04:26:42.740 uh uh chapter john 17 verse uh uh three what it explicitly says the only true again you're avoiding the

04:26:49.620 question you're running away from the question also we have in john chapter 21 where jesus says he has

04:26:53.860 a god he says i'm going back to my god and your god so how can you be god and you have a god he didn't

04:26:57.940 say i have a person i have a father he said father on god so he has a god above him and he believes the

04:27:02.340 only true god is the father and he doesn't have the knowledge of the hour and this is what we mean by him

04:27:06.340 not being equal to the father okay jay 90 seconds then after this uh i'll go jay then lancer 90 seconds

04:27:10.980 each and now we can do closing statements uh uh finishing with a muslim lantern because uh jay dyer started so let's

04:27:16.500 go 90 seconds jay now yeah the argument in both of those passages does not judge the prior revelation

04:27:22.340 on the quran the argument is that they that you can go again to uh 285 the messenger believes in what

04:27:29.380 has been revealed to him is from his lord as so so do all the believers his angels and his books the

04:27:34.340 books that are referenced and many other passages as well this includes 6 115 18 27 these are the words

04:27:41.780 of allah previously in the torah and the injeel they cannot be corrupted and changed he believes

04:27:47.140 they're corrupted and changed why because atheist scholars said so and guess what the same atheist

04:27:53.460 scholars don't believe in his books and his quran they all all the time reject so it's a double

04:27:58.420 standard they always do this they have a double standard of citing the atheist scholars who reject

04:28:02.980 the bible but also reject the quran and your quran does say many times over that i can go and check

04:28:09.140 the previous revelation to be consistent and then when we find out that it's not consistent you say

04:28:14.900 oh that's because it's corrupted so i'm supposed to look at a corrupted thing to confirm in a non-corrupted

04:28:20.420 thing that makes no sense that's why when i said what's the epistemic criteria to know the quran is

04:28:25.060 true he said the quran that's a circle you explicitly affirmed the very thing i wanted you affirm that

04:28:31.540 it is a circle you said no one wants to know no one's asking what's true i'm asking how do we know

04:28:35.620 it's true what do you mean no one's asking this question i'm asking you this question for the

04:28:39.220 third time how do we know it's true 10 seconds and in regard to in regard to john 17 3 i said

04:28:43.940 monarchical trinitarianism jesus does submit to the father that doesn't mean he has a different

04:28:47.940 nature than the father any more than a son submitted to a father means he has a different nature

04:28:52.580 okay muslim answer 90 seconds amazing you saw he jumped from another verse of the quran because he

04:28:57.540 realized that the reference was wrong and the verses

04:28:59.540 is uninterrupted uninterrupted and now he's interrupting because he knows he's i'm resetting

04:29:04.580 the timer and the and the other verse that he brought also has nothing to do with what he's

04:29:07.860 saying it says we believe in the books doesn't say the words to the books there are previous

04:29:12.020 revelations that have been revised to previous prophets when we talk about the words in that

04:29:15.380 works and you can read it and you can you can read it in context and everyone can read that

04:29:22.580 you can read it and you can see it's explicitly talking about the promise of allah you see how

04:29:25.620 interrupting he is because he knows he's being destroyed now he says if the scholar says the

04:29:29.380 bible is yes so we agree i'm happy we agree that the scholars and academia agree that the bible has

04:29:34.100 been changed corrupting there's no original etc now the the these same 80s colors and in academia you

04:29:38.900 will see that they admit that i've made videos about this before how the quran is preserved you have

04:29:42.500 dr angelica and you're it she's not muslim you have to try out of technology you have many people i can

04:29:46.420 mention now gerald boy i can mention many many names of different people who do believe who are

04:29:50.020 atheists or not muslims or academic that the quran is preserved there's a whole book's written on that on the

04:29:54.260 manuscripts for example sarah manuscript and how they show the preservation of the quran now the

04:29:57.460 quran never said the bible is consistent you're saying we've been talking about the the the

04:30:01.860 how to prove the quran we've never talked about the quran talking about the bible is corrupt

04:30:04.580 there's nothing to do with proving the quran proving the quran has a i have a video on my channel

04:30:08.420 everyone is welcome to watch it's called compelling evidences for the truth for this of islam when we

04:30:12.100 see the prophecies in the quran and hadith we say all of these different things i don't know what you

04:30:15.140 mean by proving maybe you're talking about different things now uh we are talking about the corruption of the

04:30:20.100 bible the bible has been changed the bible has been corrupted is accepted in academia i'm happy you

04:30:24.100 through your whole religion under the bus oh i agree that the son is supporting 10 seconds i agree

04:30:28.260 and i want and i want christians to listen to this he's through or everything under the bus yes we

04:30:32.020 agree it's important to the father excellent that's what we believe as muslims jesus is submitting to

04:30:36.100 the father that's what a muslim is prophet muhammad is submitting to allah and that is what the muslim

04:30:40.260 okay i'll give a closing statement to jay uh let's do uh five minutes each uh five minutes for jay and

04:30:45.140 then five minutes for muslimites we'll wrap it up here okay that's long but yeah 6 1 15 again uh neither of the

04:30:51.140 passages that he's talking about confirm what he's saying 6 1 15 the word of the lord is perfected

04:30:56.500 in truth and justice none can change allah's words he just admitted that the words of allah

04:31:02.660 in the previous passages you heard him say it in the last uh section there that no those verses those

04:31:07.460 verses of the books the message that's talking about the previous revelations of the prophets

04:31:11.300 which he just said is corrupted when his own quran says the word of allah right there cannot ever be

04:31:17.380 corrupted so he's smarter than allah and the prophet according to his attachment to unbelieving

04:31:23.380 scholars what i pointed out was his double standard and the fact that he's going to appeal to the same

04:31:28.900 scholars all but there's a bunch of other scholars that like the quran this is a fallacy of authority

04:31:32.980 appealing to scholars is a fallacy of authority if you think that proves a position you argued that

04:31:37.940 there's a bunch of scholars that debate the early church so what that has nothing to do with proving

04:31:42.340 a position you could bring in scholars to back up a position but they don't prove anything that's

04:31:47.220 called the fallacy of appeal to authority so multiple times he's made countless fallacies he

04:31:52.660 doesn't even know what they are i point them out and he laughs and talks past it he appealed he said

04:31:57.700 that i made many fallacies talking about this problem of allah's relationship to his attributes of

04:32:02.180 one and many which by the way he believes in an uncreated foot and uncreated shin if he's a salafi

04:32:06.740 if he doesn't he has to metaphorically interpret those things wait a minute now he's afforded the

04:32:10.900 ability to metaphorically interpretate interpret these texts but he doesn't grant that to us when

04:32:15.780 we talk about these passages where jesus clearly uses rhetoric clearly uses exaggeration no no we're

04:32:20.660 not allowed to do that and by the way he did try to say that i have to prove in john one because

04:32:26.340 there's no mention of three hypostases hypostasis is mentioned in hebrews one where it's identified that

04:32:31.620 the son is the eternal son of the father and he's equally divine he constantly misunderstood what

04:32:37.700 monarchical trinitarianism is because he doesn't know what it is because it recognizes this

04:32:42.260 distinction between the father and the son in terms of monarchia that doesn't mean that there's

04:32:46.420 a difference in essence so his whole argumentation this entire time was assuming that distinction

04:32:51.300 between the persons necessarily entails the distinction of s or a diminution of essence which

04:32:56.180 i said from the very opening statement is not our position so again allah's words are not corruptible

04:33:02.580 he believes they've been corrupted allah is one but you heard him use analogies to the blackness of his

04:33:09.060 shirt to help me but his own quran says that all is nothing like things in creation i'm pretty sure

04:33:15.940 your shirt is a creature i'm pretty sure black is a part or an attribute of a shirt so your own analogies

04:33:22.420 refute you and that's why i'm constantly calling you out on a double standard i'm not saying you don't

04:33:28.580 answer by stating your position but like many people who are no good at debate you think answering

04:33:33.540 your position is refuting an argument calling out a contradiction i'm arguing your position

04:33:40.340 contradicts i'm not asking you to restate the position i'm saying your position contradicts in many ways

04:33:47.300 these things contradict the word of allah cannot be corrupted or changed you just said the prior

04:33:52.500 revelations were corrupted and changed okay i'll give a final statement uh to muscle lantern uh he

04:33:59.140 went around three minutes if you can keep it uh three to four i think to be fair all good no problem

04:34:04.180 all right so he mentioned uh chapter six of the quran and as i said already there's two only two places

04:34:08.820 in the front talks about the words of allah chapter six and another uh chapter 18 of the quran one

04:34:13.460 explicitly talks about the quran mentions the ayat the verses of allah specifically referring to the quran

04:34:18.260 and the other one which he quoted in in six is talks about it talks about the judgment and the

04:34:22.340 promise of allah how do you know read the verse before allah says in the quran is there any judge

04:34:27.940 that i'll take other than allah talking about the judgment of allah and then it says that that uh uh

04:34:32.740 with them at kalima to rabbik and the the promise of your lord or the word the judgment of your lord has

04:34:37.060 been fulfilled why is that talking about i'm talking about verses oh definitely not talking about the

04:34:41.540 right because i've already explained this is the final statement this is the final statement

04:34:47.780 cry don't cry you're losing don't interrupt you don't cry i know i know you cry can't do this can't

04:34:52.820 do this can't do this you should mute him by the way he's interrupting my final statement you should

04:34:58.740 other than i let you speak and then interrupt you so you should be muted and please increase the time as

04:35:02.340 well yeah i'm resetting your time go ahead can you please mute him he's gonna he's muted yeah he's muted

04:35:09.540 all right okay so again we'll say this very very very simply uh the verse of the quran i mentioned

04:35:14.500 it i mentioned the verse and open in exigences open the exigences of the scholars nobody have said

04:35:19.380 in islamic history that this is referring to the previous scriptures and i give evidences why this is

04:35:23.380 not referring to the previous scriptures that they are corrupt and i give evidences he gave an evidence

04:35:26.660 by himself misquoting the verse in chapter five also i gave chapter two of the quran verse 75 and

04:35:31.540 verse 79 which was clearly this guy doesn't know what he's talking about now he said oh we do metaphors

04:35:36.100 when did i do a metaphor or if you're this if you're that you don't even know what i am that's

04:35:39.700 that's the problem you come to argue with me i argue from the quran and hadith i only state i'm

04:35:44.500 i only state i'm a muslim i don't do other than that i talk about using the quran hadith allah is in

04:35:49.540 the quran allah is in the quran he's not like us so any attribute that allah will have in the quran

04:35:54.500 it is it is not like us now he says he doesn't understand this he doesn't understand that it's this

04:35:58.820 is just a what we call what we call uk waffle in the uk just someone waffles few words he thinks

04:36:04.980 he's making big words we can confuse the audience all these fallacies and and and he says i'm not

04:36:09.460 good at debating when i've already responded he said there's a contradiction in the quran

04:36:13.380 that verses contradict one another i showed him the verses are not talking about the previous

04:36:16.660 scriptures they are talking about the promise of allah so there is no contradiction so i was

04:36:20.020 refuting him he came to the black and white shirt and all i already told him this analogy to do with

04:36:24.020 the attributes not to do with allah so do not i'm not trying to say the shirt is allah and if you

04:36:27.620 don't understand that then i don't think you should be debating any time in the future with

04:36:31.540 all due respect now the last thing i'm sorry to say look jay left defending jesus he admitted that he's

04:36:36.020 subordinate he started to use someone fully oh the essence is not this oh this is it doesn't matter

04:36:40.260 what we can see reading the verses and scriptures before before all of this philosophy have been

04:36:44.340 introduced and brought into the picture is that clearly jesus was supported and that's why we have

04:36:49.620 the earliest groups like the ebunites and nazarees or whatever which they will call heretical did not

04:36:53.860 believe the tradition beliefs we have the church fathers and i said i can easily give more

04:36:57.540 quotes where they didn't agree on the concept that jay has in his mind so simply jay has put jesus

04:37:03.220 under the bus from a position that he believes in the trinity and he clearly admitted he doesn't

04:37:08.100 know the hour it is not the same i think he's contradicting himself he says he doesn't know the

04:37:11.460 hour but at the same time they're not equal in essence but at the same time they're the same but

04:37:14.900 he just keeps contradicting himself and going in the same circle so is it metaphorical or he doesn't

04:37:18.820 really know the hour and they're subordinate to one another he doesn't know his own positions and with

04:37:22.740 that we conclude we ask people to worship the creator of jesus the lord of jesus who he said

04:37:27.780 he's coming back to you since i'm going back to my god we asked you to worship that lord that jesus

04:37:31.540 came to and he said he's going to worship he's going to go back to that is the lord that we call

04:37:34.820 you to worship the lord of jesus moses no prophet muhammad and peace be upon all of the prophets and

04:37:39.060 messengers and i conclude here with this cooking and because it's burning in the kitchen now all right okay

04:37:44.500 wait before before um um before we hang up hold up uh jay i want to get because he we um there was

04:37:50.420 interruptions um i did say that it was going to be the closing statements but because it seems like

04:37:54.420 there's more do you think we could do uh one more back and forth two minutes each is that okay with

04:37:58.260 both parties no i think that's it's good to edit here i don't want to go more forth oh he doesn't

04:38:03.860 want to go anymore it's a waste of time he keeps repeating the same thing every time we talk no i have

04:38:08.660 another 378 says the book okay okay jay jay i'll say this anymore because he knows he's a body we

04:38:15.780 already had a debate so now you're losing yeah i do i do appreciate you coming on it was nice to meet

04:38:20.100 you of your problems i'm not crying dude you're the one you want to talk to him it's all rhetoric

04:38:28.740 jay it was nice to meet you and i appreciate you coming on here this is much more civil than the

04:38:32.660 earlier debate i hope to do this again i think this this was um it was fast-paced and it was enjoyable

04:38:38.900 anytime thank you okay all right how do you yeah you just left that's why this is

04:38:46.820 this jacosa here yeah right here oh jacosa how you doing man hey man yeah i think i was trying

04:38:52.340 to be respectful it goes debate you know i just you know if you ask me to get in get involved i'll get

04:38:57.060 involved yeah i know i wanted to keep it fast-paced that's why i think it was better i moderated the

04:39:00.820 way i i had it but um okay hold on let's do a poll let's do a poll um can uh i just

04:39:08.660 all right bronze is not responding to me let's i want to do a poll and see who won let's see i

04:39:14.100 gotta say that was more fair than last time you you moderated way more fairly this debate i think it

04:39:19.300 has to be timer like it i i want it to be free-flown but i think the the way to go is just it's timer

04:39:24.260 like this and uh let's establish one thing and be honest wait before before you make a point i i do i

04:39:29.460 want to i want to do the poll before you continue to keep it fair oh yeah sure sure sure okay uh no one my

04:39:33.780 team is but i don't think that the poll is fair because majority of people don't share christians

04:39:37.620 yeah you have an 80 no he has an 80% muslim audience right now oh come on all right no j or lantern

04:39:46.260 let's see he's live so he will bring his viewers here essentially right i'm not live and i did not

04:39:50.260 announce this but anyways you can do it no problem okay j lantern i'm curious what it would okay create

04:39:57.940 pull uh do you know how to make one jagosa oh no i think i got it

04:40:09.540 okay i am oh no bronson has pinned it i think yeah only only mods could do that okay okay

04:40:17.620 okay here we go it's in love speech it's pinned right now oh yeah okay

04:40:22.580 all right that was an interesting one i gotta tell that was really good i like the fast pace of

04:40:32.580 it that was yeah that was good that was good the only thing i think the only thing that i think you

04:40:37.300 guys both had good argument uh strong positions um on certain topics uh it was pretty it was pretty

04:40:44.980 even i definitely have opinions on both sides um however i think what kind of made it messy is

04:40:50.980 when we make our opening statements i think asking questions to the other party and kind of

04:40:55.700 breaks this conversational style that because it's like for example jay he you know uh qualified

04:41:02.180 something and clarified something and then when you continued speaking he believed he felt that you

04:41:08.340 misunderstood him he felt that you were like misrepresenting his qualification

04:41:12.420 or clarification so then you know you guys started going back and forth

04:41:15.940 yeah the reason i asked about the trinity is because the debate is about the trinity so i need

04:41:20.740 the definition from him right i cannot like if he doesn't define it he can always like shift and go

04:41:25.140 to different things that's why i wanted to ask him that question but then when i started talking

04:41:28.820 then he said you're misinterrupting with the church father i said okay say would the church

04:41:31.700 father agree or not he knows they didn't agree so he didn't want to respond to that question

04:41:35.380 because church fathers have different beliefs about jesus but yeah the thing is what i wanted to

04:41:39.540 mention is people can see i did not interrupt anyone nor nor was it andrew nor nor this guy i don't

04:41:44.420 interrupt people i don't need to interrupt you because i know what you're making the argument

04:41:48.340 you're making i can easily respond to who i don't know why christians have to jump into interrupting

04:41:52.820 when it's my time okay everybody vote in the poll vote in the poll there's only 258 votes i don't

04:41:58.100 want to show it on screen yet i want to get i'll show when it has a thousand

04:42:04.660 but yeah go ahead yeah um i would say that uh you know um i think you did a good job against the trinity

04:42:13.540 the thing is i think on his end everything you said was kind of null and void even though like you make

04:42:20.500 sense everything you said like is null and void because he said his position was that just because

04:42:28.740 the son and the father are different and have different aspects to them let's just say for

04:42:35.860 example you brought out that the son doesn't like the father like the father knows things that the son

04:42:41.700 doesn't right like you brought up that understandable like i get what you're saying however if he's saying

04:42:46.820 and that's that's okay he believes that as well however they could still be with be the same essence

04:42:53.380 like that's his point like they could still be the same essences with differences with some differences

04:42:58.260 like you know that's irrelevant that's irrelevant that's why i defined the trinity in the beginning

04:43:02.500 and i said it says equality and if he's admitting that they're not equal in knowledge then you cannot

04:43:07.380 say that they're both the same league i mean hey i'm not arguing you yeah i'm showing you why his point

04:43:14.820 is void because it's not to do with the essence it's to do with the equality he's making a stroman

04:43:19.140 argument by talking about the essence i'm talking about but i think the trinitarian position is that

04:43:25.140 even though you may you may be making sound arguments he's saying that you could you could both

04:43:31.380 still be right you could be right and saying yes they're not equal in all parts he's saying that they're

04:43:36.500 equal in some parts which it still shows equality to an extent when that the fact that he's saying

04:43:42.180 that they're equal doesn't mean they have to be equal in everything that they're equal in like most

04:43:46.740 things that they're still it still qualifies as equality that's what he thinks so if the father

04:43:51.540 is superior in certain things then we're saying worship is superior being that's in some position

04:43:55.620 we're saying anything that is not fully superior is not god i'm by the field yes so from a trinitarian's

04:44:02.420 viewpoint i'm speaking like poor trinitarian you didn't debunk the trinity because they still

04:44:09.460 believe no no i disagree with you because the position of j is not representative of the rest of

04:44:14.580 trinitarians and the trinitarians don't have the same position all of them anyways and he is specific

04:44:19.540 type of christian that's why he's disagreeing orthodox right on yeah in his own debate he's disagreeing

04:44:23.620 with sad because he has a different position so if you bring a protest and i'll tell you something else

04:44:26.740 so it has to be scripture based and the scripture does not present the trinity there you don't see it

04:44:31.380 so j is not representative of christians anyways but his argument i'm saying it is still against

04:44:36.180 the trinity because if he says the trinity is that they're not equal the one is uh and even in some

04:44:42.660 things one is superior to the other that's not the the doctrine the doctrine says that a co-equality of

04:44:47.700 them this is what the doctrine established so you're saying trinitarians are supposed to believe that

04:44:51.780 they are equal in all things means the same thing right co-equal that means they have equality in

04:44:57.860 everything and attributes in everything and quote eternal when they say fully god right when they say

04:45:02.500 the son is fully god he has to be fully god it cannot be fully god on some attributes you have

04:45:06.820 less than the father that's why other christians when you bring this verse up they don't they never

04:45:10.420 respond in that way but yes they support and i agree they don't do that okay people are saying it's

04:45:14.820 a rigged vote because it's a love speech and not everybody can join but uh muscle lantern right now

04:45:19.780 you're at 65 that you won uh i do want to do a straw poll bronson do a straw poll um because it's

04:45:26.820 it's only people that are in the community so yeah do do a straw poll so that it doesn't matter

04:45:32.420 if they're they're in love speech or not but yeah right now after 900 votes it's 65 muslim lantern

04:45:39.940 within love speech and um so let's do a straw poll okay i'm texting right now do you and also if you'd

04:45:46.100 like i mean you don't have to if you if you'd like i can put a poll on my main twitter page and then all

04:45:52.100 the muslims and the christians who are listening right now can go to my page and vote nice plug no

04:45:57.220 we're doing straw poll okay okay i did not i just want to be clear i did not yeah i just want to be

04:46:04.020 clear if it's still 65 that people should know i didn't even announce this debate i didn't even

04:46:08.740 announce it nor on my youtube nor he's live streaming literally so he can easily tell his oh go vote you

04:46:14.180 know so that's not really fair in any way shape or form but anyways i don't care you can i don't i don't

04:46:19.220 i personally don't think he did that i don't think he told people the vote they would have said it by

04:46:23.220 now hopefully he doesn't if he does then the christians can see the hypocrisy of sending some

04:46:27.460 but i would say that i would say that i don't think that he contradicted himself the way that you were

04:46:33.700 trying to make it seem and secondly i think you should have been stronger on your position regarding

04:46:38.900 the the hand the foot whether that's physical whether that's metaphorical because he was basically

04:46:44.660 saying that you didn't want to like state your position on whether or not he has a hand or a

04:46:48.820 foot like you didn't want to really say whether or not you believe that to be physical or metaphorical

04:46:55.300 no no it's there's a third option it's not two options and the reason i didn't respond

04:47:00.580 is because uh it's irrelevant to the topic the topic is about tawhid and i already established a

04:47:05.220 point that attributes do not show uh multiple entities that's such a ridiculous argument say that i have

04:47:13.060 love and hate and you know enmity whatever attributes i have therefore i'm many people that's such a

04:47:18.100 ridiculous argument that's why i don't need to respond to that so when we talk about any of

04:47:21.300 these attributes that you mentioned we consider them attributes we don't consider them parts and

04:47:25.780 no muslim scholar does that consider them but no reputable muslim scholar in islamic history will

04:47:30.660 tell you these are parts that's why his argument is not valid anyways that's why i don't need to

04:47:35.300 respond what my position is what my creed specifically is it's irrelevant because attributes are not different

04:47:41.700 beings nobody believes that okay here it is we got the straw poll now it looks a lot more even

04:47:47.540 compared to love speech so i i guess we got a sense that love speeches the love speech community is

04:47:52.660 majority uh muslims right now because okay it's fair right now it's 50 50 right now it's like 170 180 180

04:48:00.100 this is this is so close it was close man it was a good debate you're leading by a little bit right

04:48:06.180 now muscle mindset you're leading by like 10 no plus keep in mind as i said he came from a live

04:48:10.100 stream so his audience came with him you can say whatever you want i did not come from a live stream

04:48:14.500 i did not that's fair i'm still waiting at the poll and there's another hundred dollars uh hundred

04:48:19.940 dollars to chris chris poplowski you're welcome i bought you dinner uh decent bonfire says muting mics

04:48:24.900 during the other person's turn might work in a visible time clock age of consent and trinity are great

04:48:29.060 topics they should agree to overlook technicalities to keep the conversation going yeah and i i should have done

04:48:33.460 that with um but just by andrew with andrew wilson it just got to too many disagreements that it was

04:48:38.580 too uncivil to really have a debate at that point i think i think i made the right call to end it at

04:48:42.740 that point but maybe you guys uh um uh disagree yeah no no it would it would have gone in a circle

04:48:48.020 that's why i said like it's already 3 a.m over here and our discussion was already 12 o'clock with the

04:48:52.740 other guy andrew so okay i don't know if you can see but right now there's about 500 votes and um

04:48:57.940 we have muslim lantern with a close victory a close victory let's wait till we get to a thousand

04:49:04.580 votes there'll be muslim lantern come on man i'm gonna put a poll too i want to see oh my god you

04:49:11.300 go see you're coping bro bro this is fair it's straw poll don't do the thing where you try to win and

04:49:18.180 like have come on man uh zirka zirka uh put a poll in zirka yeah yeah no shit in a christian

04:49:25.140 community with a cross on the title dude this is the unbiased vote right here it's over 10 000 people

04:49:30.340 watching there's no bias of who could join it anybody can join this poll this is fair look at

04:49:35.300 you trying to rig the vote like biden bro like this is you know you don't love speech is fully muslim

04:49:40.180 bro okay it's not love speech this is from the stream right now okay okay this is this is no in love

04:49:46.980 speech it dominated it was 65 percent so i made a new one and now it's 55 or 56 muslim lantern all

04:49:53.460 it's the show all it's to throw it within rumble okay it's a rumble straw poll it's it's pinned in

04:49:57.940 the chat right now yeah this is something to unban the christians because they can't vote but i saw

04:50:01.780 what you typed in the chat earlier it's not like it was unjustified i i'm not gonna i was bro i repeated

04:50:07.220 what andrew was just because it was funny like what the i just repeated it okay they're good

04:50:13.220 are you banned in the chat and also that doesn't affect the vote even if you're bad if you're muted

04:50:18.580 in chat for five minutes you can still vote on the poll okay so so right now we have back-to-back

04:50:23.700 andrew wilson and jay dyer whoever his name is i don't want christians to speak again or

04:50:28.100 oh muslim editor doesn't discuss with people i don't want to hear that again whenever we're having a chat

04:50:32.740 me and sneak with someone i don't want someone to be telling me that right i've already had your

04:50:36.500 discussions and talks the whole chat was spamming to call jay dyer we did it done so like there's no running

04:50:41.380 by the way uh your favorite guy jaco sam shamoon said that he's not free until september 30th

04:50:46.740 so anybody who's saying sam we got the message on skype i could show you the email again we said

04:50:51.700 let's do it today he said i'm not free until september 30th so we cannot do it until his

04:50:56.820 schedule clears up and he did the fresh thing called him out before yes just set it up for september 30th

04:51:03.940 yeah sure but that's a long time for now so anyone saying we're running from that just shut up because

04:51:07.860 you're wrong what would it with mom debate them or would it be anybody anybody from this

04:51:13.220 like muslim lancer will debate him shake his mom will debate him anybody the point is the whole reason

04:51:17.220 i didn't sneak who knows like our people who watch me know i don't do the dates not because i'm

04:51:21.700 incapable of doing i clearly do it but because these people get agitated interrupt start insulting it's no

04:51:27.700 longer a genuine discourse or something like you're for example you're a christian now but you're being

04:51:32.660 fair we have a discussion you disagree with me i'm disagreeing with you but it's

04:51:35.140 that was respectful that's the only thing we're looking for like just remain respectful let's

04:51:39.620 discuss points that's not about this and that scoring points i can easily do this game by the

04:51:44.420 mind that's why my apology my apology i do that um my opinion is that daydair did it i think it was

04:51:53.700 hard to get anywhere i think you both made good points on both ends i think you you kind of won the

04:51:58.900 trinity a little bit but you didn't fully debunk it so i think trinitarians are going to be like okay

04:52:03.780 what did you even really say because because of their stance on it like from a more logical

04:52:08.580 standpoint yeah like you made sense but their stance is you know they're it's still one essence

04:52:14.900 the father and the son are different in some ways but they're still equal that's that's their mindset

04:52:18.740 that's all i'm saying they they you didn't like based on a trinitarian's viewpoint they still like

04:52:24.820 believe what they believe in the trinity because you didn't really debunk it

04:52:28.820 because of what they believe you didn't really like isolate exactly what they believe and then

04:52:34.980 debunk it you just basically spoke about a general viewpoint of why jesus and god are different no

04:52:40.420 all i'm saying is this is simply if you're saying the trinity means that jesus is lesser than the

04:52:44.500 father in certain aspects and the father is the ultimate authority in everything and this is what we

04:52:48.980 want if this is what you mean by the trinity then okay yeah because they believe that they're equal

04:52:53.620 within like that one no no i believe there's equality with one as i said jay's position is

04:52:58.660 not the overwhelming position overwhelming position you can speak to many christians is that they're

04:53:02.900 co-equal they're equal they they don't say that okay yeah one knows one doesn't know uh one you know

04:53:08.660 praise and submits for the other the other one does it one has a god the other doesn't have a god

04:53:12.980 like people can play games all the world terminology but if this is what you're saying then we're

04:53:16.900 worshiping the ultimate supreme being and by the way i can see the voice changing and i know that there is

04:53:20.740 that influence going on right so other like as i said i don't care no no with the with the uh voting

04:53:27.460 thing i said voting is it changing for real winning jacosa thanks for coming on bro yeah no we i

04:53:37.220 appreciate you bro anytime bro let me know all right let's uh let's set up another one if you can find

04:53:42.260 another one because uh all right he's gone but um yeah if you can find up another one oh he's back okay

04:53:49.460 you know what'd you say yeah i just uh if you want to find another one because um sam is uh we sent

04:53:56.180 him his pigeons and he's busy i don't know if his wi-fi is working but bro i mean i could easily just

04:54:01.220 bro he streams every day you know he even called you out too like he was like yo i'm right here i'm free

04:54:07.860 and he deleted the post i'm assuming he did say to the people go i vote yeah it's like uh it's how it is

04:54:12.740 i probably yeah i'm telling you cico i know it's a little bit difficult i know it's dice because sam has been very

04:54:17.300 very disrespectful to islam i know it's weird it's awkward it's not weird we said we'll do it

04:54:22.100 he's not free and for over a month his schedule is that's fine bro it's worth it no we i i we put

04:54:29.460 the offer already he's been super disrespectful oh great okay let's all soon jacosa all right cool

04:54:35.620 all right guys all right bye jade i are 100 told his fans to go he just deleted the post on twitter yeah

04:54:41.300 he put it he put it in his stream but i i said i was gonna to cap it at a thousand um yeah that's

04:54:47.620 that's that's that's what they have to do to try and win you know because when you put it fair and

04:54:52.180 square even though he had people already from the stream he was losing and he lost that's why he's

04:54:56.740 like you know please guys go support me by clicking on this link and uh okay well alhamdulillah i'm

04:55:03.700 happy i want to show i want to show people i mean it was good it was a good discussion it was a good

04:55:08.660 discussion um all right um yeah thanks for coming on i know it's very late over there

04:55:18.020 um by the way i'm coming to london tomorrow oh you come tomorrow of course we'll meet up

04:55:23.220 inshallah catch up again all right i mean come here yeah we can do the other thing as well that

04:55:27.380 we talked about maybe we'll discuss it when you come here inshallah i don't know she had nice year

04:55:31.460 as well i think so can we meet up with them as well what was the other thing you discussed

04:55:34.980 uh you you discussed no i'll tell you i'll tell you upstream okay okay i'll tell you all

04:55:39.940 strange all right thanks for coming on have a great night all right i'll see you guys uh bye

04:55:45.540 bye love speech hopefully you had what you guys wanted you know all this time this debate i've done

04:55:50.660 it and then hopefully people are happy all right all right see you everyone w in the chat as you say

04:55:56.260 yeah all right all right see you w in the chat i told uh i told warner earlier that i was going to do a

04:56:03.300 short stream and it's been four hours okay i'm tired i am tired

04:56:16.340 you're sitting there like like farming likes and saying that i'm going to be doing something i'm

04:56:40.900 do i'm doing something what the am i doing like you're just a parademon you're you're like sitting

04:56:49.700 there other people are like having these assumptions and these and then you're like

04:56:57.060 like you're just correct we should have had her debate

04:56:59.220 you know close your damn mouth shut your gaping maw your gaping jaw you look like an idiot you look

04:57:10.820 like a slack jawed yokel close that mouth andrew uh you where have you been where have you been i've

04:57:18.980 literally had entire debates on this topic and i've spanked all of your christian apologists on this topic

04:57:24.660 okay all right guys i'm gonna get some sleep long of love speech hope you enjoyed the stream

04:57:34.100 this is a lot of fun um i don't want to end on 10k should i go to god pill right now wait let's

04:57:39.940 see if warner's up right now it's 10k right now oh man i'm getting no sleep i have to finish editing

04:57:46.020 the bosnia video too let's see let's see if he's up

04:58:02.820 he's probably asleep he's definitely asleep

04:58:17.300 i can't leave on 10k

04:58:21.380 um yo wait what was i gonna say

04:58:25.940 can't leave on 10k chat is so active right now

04:58:55.940 rule

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SNEAKO - August 20, 2024

Islam vs Christianity Debate： Muslim Lantern VS Andrew Wilson - Trinity and Age of Consent

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