SNEAKO - Joe Rogan and Matt Walsh Debate GAY Marriage...

00:00:00.320 Okay, fine. You want to watch more artistic shit? Let's watch, uh, Joe Rogan and- 1.00

00:00:04.080 Joe and Matt Wallace disagree over gay marriage. This is what you want?

00:00:07.120 This is what you want? Fine. Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Let's

00:00:13.120 talk about gay marriage. Why did Andrew come out? Okay, what? Are you not entertained?

00:00:20.160 The Joe Rogan experience. I think if marriage is a certain thing,

00:00:23.680 which is the, um, the context for, uh, Chad, W-O gay marriage. For procreation, for the, 0.64

00:00:32.320 for the, the building of the, the nuclear.

00:00:33.920 I don't like mine.

00:00:34.880 People that get married that don't have kids. Are you opposed to that? What if they get married,

00:00:39.360 they decide, you know what? We don't need kids. I'm going to get fixed. You get your tubes tied.

00:00:43.120 Let's travel the world. Well, what do you mean? Am I opposed to it? I mean, I, I think that, uh,

00:00:47.200 that every married couple should be open to life. But what if they don't want to?

00:00:51.520 Are you opposed to them being married? If marriage is only for procreation and to bond a family

00:00:56.160 together, what about people that are deeply in love that never want to have children?

00:01:00.880 I don't think it's, it's not only procreation, but that is one of the fundamental definitional,

00:01:05.920 um, uh, aspects of it. Um, of course there's more to marriage just than that.

00:01:11.360 Is your world going to live?

00:01:12.320 What about people that are infertile? They fall in love and they realize that they can have babies 0.95

00:01:17.280 and they don't really necessarily want to adopt. Is that okay for them to be married?

00:01:21.520 Because then you're by definition, marriage falls into a completely different thing because then

00:01:26.400 it's a bond of love. It's a union of love. Sure. I mean, that doesn't change the nature of,

00:01:33.280 of marriage though. It's, it's a little bit like, um, I say that, uh, uh, what's the definition of

00:01:38.960 a woman? Well, a woman is someone who by her nature can conceive children in her womb and bear children. 1.00

00:01:44.080 And then the response is always, well, what about women who are infertile? Does that,

00:01:46.880 does that destroy your definition of woman? And, uh, it, it doesn't because, you know, it's still, 1.00

00:01:53.200 it's still a woman's nature to bear children. Not every woman will, and there will be disease 1.00

00:01:57.760 and infertility and, and old age and all these things that will preclude that, but it's still,

00:02:02.480 it's still of her nature to do so. Um, and I would say the same thing for marriage. I mean, it's,

00:02:07.600 it's, it is natural in a marriage for, for procreation to occur. It's not always going to happen in

00:02:12.720 reality though, but that's still, that's still one of the natural functions of marriage and,

00:02:17.920 and, uh, married couples who can't conceive children. There are other ways to, um,

00:02:23.120 be parents like adoption, for example, if they want to, right. But if people want to be married

00:02:28.480 and don't want to ever have children, are you opposed to them being married?

00:02:32.560 Well, I'm not, I'm not, I wouldn't advocate a law that would prevent it, but would it change

00:02:35.920 the definition of what their marriage is to you because they don't want to have a family. They

00:02:39.520 just want to have a loving bond. I think this would be a couple that is rejecting,

00:02:47.280 uh, one of the fundamental aspects of marriage and that they, they should be, they, they should be

00:02:52.160 open to, to life. I would hope that in the future they would be, but. But isn't that just a personal

00:02:56.800 choice? I mean, you can have a very fulfilling life if you just follow your pursuits and your

00:03:02.800 dreams and your, your interests and you find someone that shares those interests with you and you

00:03:08.080 share time together. It's very fulfilling and loving. Yeah. It's a, it's a person,

00:03:11.840 it's a personal choice in that I'm not advocating for like a law that says that you, you, if you're

00:03:17.760 married, you have to have, you have to have X number of kids. Can I watch something for five

00:03:22.640 minutes before you guys say some schizo shit? Jesus Christ. But then why are you opposed to two 1.00

00:03:28.640 gay people doing that? Well, because, because again, it's, it's, it's not about choice. It's 0.98

00:03:35.120 about what this institution, marriage is an institution and what is it and what purpose does

00:03:40.560 it serve? And I, I do not agree with, um, tearing down or, or, or changing this definition,

00:03:49.840 especially because the people who have changed the definition haven't come up

00:03:53.760 with a new one. So they, they say, well, that's not what marriage is. So for thousands of years,

00:03:58.560 we said marriage is the procreative union. And then we had the other side who came along and said,

00:04:03.760 well, it's not that. Okay. Well then like, what is it exactly? And I know you said, well, it's,

00:04:09.040 it's people. This is why I took the chat off the screen. You guys are literally autistic. 0.99

00:04:14.080 People love each other. Two people love each other. Well, but then why two people? Why do they have to 0.98

00:04:17.760 love each other? Um, you know, all these kinds of questions you get into, what if they're in the

00:04:22.800 same family? What if brothers and sisters want to marry? And I know every time that comes up,

00:04:26.240 you know, the, the advocates for gay marriage will say, well, that's a slippery slope argument.

00:04:30.000 That's a fallacious, but it's actually not. It's like, we're trying to get to what do you even think

00:04:34.000 this institution is now since you've rejected out what we were saying it was. And, um, and I've never

00:04:41.520 found a compelling definition and any definition offered. It's like, it's like, well, what are you,

00:04:47.600 what's even the point then? Why do we even need this now? I just don't see how a gay marriage in 1.00

00:04:54.560 any way damages a straight marriage. I don't, I don't see it at all. Let him get married. I don't

00:05:01.120 give a fuck, bro. Just let him go ahead. It doesn't make any sense to me. It just seems to me that people 1.00

00:05:05.360 want to be, look, if you, if you wanted to look at logic, especially in our modern society, which is 0.92

00:05:13.440 pretty fucked when it comes to relationships, it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 50% of all 0.66

00:05:18.080 marriages ended divorce anyway. They don't make it. You know, if I don't know if anything would damage 0.99

00:05:25.360 marriage and damage the institution of marriage, it's the option of divorce. I don't think gay people 1.00

00:05:31.360 and gay people getting married in any way, shape or form changes a bond that you have with your 0.99

00:05:36.480 wife. It's just called marriage. It's a human invented thing. If we decide that gay people can 0.99

00:05:43.120 get married too, I just don't see how it damages anything. I don't think it tears down the definition

00:05:48.320 of marriage in any way. It just opens up the possibility that people who are gay won't be

00:05:52.240 discriminated against. Yeah. I don't, I don't think that a gay couple existing, uh, directly impacts,

00:06:00.320 you know, there's a gay couple and you know, wherever. And, and I'm with my wife in our house,

00:06:05.520 like obviously there's not, um, but I'm talking about, I'm talking about on the, on the individual

00:06:09.680 level. I'm talking about on the, on the societal level. Right. I would agree that, um, divorce, 0.92

00:06:15.680 especially, uh, you know, uh, there's no fault divorce, rampant divorce. I don't think it's as

00:06:21.120 high as 50%. I know that that's the, that's often quoted. I'm not sure where that comes from, but,

00:06:24.240 um, it is high. It's like, it's too high. And Chris Rock has a great joke about that.

00:06:28.320 And those are just the people with the courage to get out. It's like, how many cowards stay? 0.86

00:06:33.760 Thank you for the 20 border. When are you going to come out with some merch? I'm working on it. 0.50

00:06:37.680 I want to release the stone ape theory. This one. I really liked that. I actually, 0.80

00:06:41.520 I got that idea from, from Joe. I tagged you on locals. It's a hoodie with reflective hatchery.

00:06:45.440 So I'll check that out. A reflective heat transfer on locals, locals. That's where I upload all my

00:06:49.760 streams. Shout out to you. Another 20 big 20 from limited AK. I just got a new computer and I want

00:06:55.120 to join H U or C goes creativity kit. IDK, which one to join? Well, in the creativity kit,

00:06:59.200 you get three calls a week and you can talk to me directly. And there's a network full of people

00:07:02.640 who are like-minded like you. I don't see another course that has three calls a week like that.

00:07:06.800 So in my opinion, the creativity kit. But it's also, it's also true that

00:07:11.360 the advocates for what we call now traditional marriage, which I just call marriage, but the

00:07:16.480 advocates for traditional marriage put themselves at a disadvantage by allow, especially in the

00:07:21.120 churches, like allowing this rampant divorce to occur. Um, and then you've, you've already

00:07:26.640 sort of given up on some marriage is supposed to be monogamous and, uh, and permanent as well

00:07:32.720 as procreative. Well, you've given up monogamy and permanence. And so now it's not, that's, that's,

00:07:38.320 that's two of the three legs gone. And so now this assault was waged on the procreative part of it.

00:07:42.960 And it was just, it was, it was difficult to withstand it because the institution had already

00:07:46.560 been weakened. So I agree with you there. Um, but my answer to that is to try to reinforce what

00:07:53.680 marriage is not to just give up on it entirely. And I, I still think you're left with this question

00:08:00.800 of like, if marriage is not what I'm saying it is, then what, why do we even need it? What's the point?

00:08:06.800 I mean, you're saying it's a, it's a manmade institution.

00:08:08.560 Yes.

00:08:09.760 But you, but you're also like the way that you're presenting it, it's, it's a, it's also,

00:08:14.320 it's a totally meaningless institution. No, they don't need it at all.

00:08:17.600 No, it's not meaningless because it means something to the people that get married.

00:08:21.520 So it's just, it's just a subjective symbolic thing. I mean, what?

00:08:26.240 Yeah. So it's kind of what it is. Look, there's a massive responsibility.

00:08:30.480 I agree with Joe.

00:08:31.120 When you're married and when you have children to keep your family together.

00:08:35.040 Does that make me a Satanist? If I think people should be able to get married if they want to,

00:08:38.080 I don't give, I don't understand why you're investing. It's incredible.

00:08:41.600 Me watching to would say that two people can't get married based on their gender race and keep 0.99

00:08:45.680 everybody happy and healthy. And there's great reward to that. Yeah. But it doesn't always work

00:08:52.080 out. It's not, it's not a, it's people change. People are fucked up. That doesn't, it doesn't always

00:08:58.720 work. And so I don't think it should be outlawed because 50% of the people fall apart. Just like,

00:09:04.960 I don't think it has any effect whatsoever on a straight couple. If a gay couple decides that 1.00

00:09:11.600 they want to make it official and that's what it is to them. It gives them a feeling that,

00:09:17.200 that they're accepted and appreciated and that they're not discriminated against because they

00:09:22.080 happen to be homosexual. So what you're articulating to me is the damage that's done 0.98

00:09:28.960 by gay marriage to the institution of marriage. But how is it done? How is that in any way damaged

00:09:35.200 straight people? Because we are making the institution meaningless. But it's not meaningless.

00:09:40.400 Well, but it's very meaningful to the people that have it. Subjective, symbolic,

00:09:44.080 and it's about your own personal feelings. Isn't it though? I don't know. The gay married couples that 1.00

00:09:48.560 I met, they seem like they respect the unity and they seem happy. I don't see how they disrespected

00:09:53.120 marriage for anybody else. Well, no, I would say that it's not. Well, if it's not subjective and it's not

00:09:58.160 symbolic. It codifies and protects and gives a name to a thing that actually exists, which is,

00:10:07.040 which are, you know, man, woman, couples, creating people, creating, creating babies.

00:10:12.640 But not always. Right. But that's still, that's still the, that's still the nature of the union.

00:10:17.840 So, but what are the percentage of people today that are married that don't have children? I bet 0.97

00:10:22.320 it's pretty high amongst heterosexuals. Probably. You know, normies who are stumbling in here,

00:10:26.640 don't take this chat seriously. They're going too far. They just, oh, do you guys know how many

00:10:33.120 fucking people are never going to come back to rumble because of you fucking schizos? 1.00

00:10:38.880 Oh my God. Do you, can I ban caps lock from this chat? Is there something wrong with that? 1.00

00:10:46.240 I think there is something wrong with that. I think there is something wrong with

00:10:49.520 They're being ironic. Normies who stumbled in from TikTok. They're just being, they're,

00:10:54.640 they're trolling you right now. All right. They want you to be reactionary. Can the normies type

00:10:58.800 one right now for the people who think that everybody else in here is a schizo. This dude's

00:11:02.880 just running. Ah, homosexuality is an idea of the devil to stop procreation. Okay. Can, 0.99

00:11:08.160 can the normies type one just to beat out the fucking, all the crazies in here? 0.99

00:11:14.720 You know, getting married and saying, we're just, we don't, we're not gonna have any kids at all. 0.99

00:11:18.160 But why is there something wrong with that? If someone's personal choice?

00:11:22.000 Why would that, why is it wrong that two people are like, you know, I am deeply committed to work

00:11:27.120 and I don't want to sacrifice any of my career. And I don't want to ruin a kid because I'm constantly

00:11:34.400 at the office, but that's no type one, stop type one. If you're a regular person where I get deep

00:11:40.400 satisfaction and, and that's, that's what I'm focused on. And the woman says, that's great

00:11:46.560 because I don't want children either. I really am attached to my interests in my career and what

00:11:51.760 I like to do. That's not damaging your relationship with your wife and your family. It's, I don't

00:11:58.000 certainly, I certainly don't think of it as a threat to my marriage or my family.

00:12:01.920 Yeah. It's, uh, it is a personal choice, right? But shouldn't people be allowed to make those

00:12:07.600 personal choices? Like, isn't that, yes, they should be allowed to man. W libertarianism,

00:12:12.240 a fundamental aspect of what it means to be American. Exactly. Freedom. I don't like the

00:12:18.080 fact that Trump said he's going to kill people who smoke a little bit of weed, bro. I am completely 0.95

00:12:23.040 anti authoritarian. I'm I don't, authoritarian or what the fuck is the word? Thor authoritarian. 0.98

00:12:29.520 I'm anti authoritarian. I don't want the government to be able to kill me because of what the

00:12:33.840 fuck I'm putting in my body. Have that freedom. Well, right. Yeah. But right now we're not talking 1.00

00:12:38.320 about what people are allowed to do. I'm not saying that we're talking about marriage,

00:12:40.720 gay marriage. Okay. We were just discussing straight couples. That's also a personal freedom

00:12:46.960 issue, isn't it? Yeah. But, and I'm not saying that that straight couples should be legally required 0.99

00:12:50.640 to have kids. But I, you know, if you're asking me, do I think it's the right choice to just get

00:12:56.080 married and choose not to have kids ever? God is an authoritarian, but I don't want the government to be

00:13:01.600 that that's the only person that I believe should be able to make rules is God. That's it.

00:13:05.280 I do not think that that's the right choice. It might, it's their, it's their choice,

00:13:08.400 but people can make choices that are wrong. Um, and you can disagree.

00:13:11.360 How is it wrong if they have a fulfilling and wonderful life together with that choice? If their,

00:13:17.760 their thing is that they just want to have a bond between the two of them to just like,

00:13:22.800 take it to the next level, let everybody know, like we are married. If I die, my money's going to go to

00:13:28.480 Helen. And if Helen dies, you know, I, you know, I'm going to mourn her because she was my wife and

00:13:33.840 now I'll be a widower. Like to some people, that distinction gives them peace and security and makes

00:13:40.000 them feel better about the relationship that they're both so committed that they've legally signed

00:13:45.680 documents that say that they're bound by law and under the eyes of God or whatever you believe in.

00:13:51.520 Yeah. They're, they're able to make that choice, but I think you're, you're still rejecting

00:14:00.320 one of the purposes of marriage. And in the scenario that you just outlined, you're also

00:14:07.120 deciding to live a really self-centered life. You're saying,

00:14:11.360 What if you're not, what if your work is very charitable? What if it benefits humanity in a deep

00:14:16.240 way? What if you spend a lot of time doing, you know, healthcare work and, you know, and

00:14:23.520 social work and you're, you're deeply committed to your community. It's not selfish at all.

00:14:28.080 You're just dedicating your time to something other than raising new human beings.

00:14:31.840 Yeah. That's a dedicating your life.

00:14:33.600 Yeah. This chat makes me miss YouTube, bro.

00:14:35.600 Enhancing other human beings.

00:14:36.880 You guys, this is the, I've been streaming for months now. I've, I've never seen this. I have never

00:14:43.120 seen this level of insanity. That's a hypothetical. It is a hypothetical, but so is yours, right?

00:14:48.560 Yeah. But I, I think most of the people that choose, like, we're not going to have kids and

00:14:51.920 the, and the, the rate of, uh, those rates are declining. Um, and the age when people first 0.92

00:14:59.760 have kids is also going up and all of that. Most of the people that are making these choices,

00:15:04.400 I don't, I don't think it's because they're involved in charity work. I do think that it is more

00:15:08.080 the, the scenario you outlined in the first time around, which is just like, well, I'm,

00:15:13.520 this is what I'm doing. You know, I have my job. I don't want to give it up. Um,

00:15:17.280 but don't you think that people should have the freedom to live their life in that way?

00:15:21.440 I think human beings vary widely in a huge way. And I think there's some human beings that find a

00:15:27.920 very fulfilling life, just reading books and traveling and experiencing different things and 0.98

00:15:34.160 seeing art and doing whatever the fuck they want to do. And they don't necessarily have

00:15:37.840 to have kids to live a fulfilling life that way. And if they choose to do that with someone

00:15:42.720 who they have a loving bond with and who they get married to, I don't think it's a bad thing

00:15:47.920 that they don't want to have kids. Well, I think, I guess we have to, maybe we're running into a

00:15:54.880 question of, of, you know, now you get to the real fundamental question.

00:15:59.600 I think it's a fundamental freedom thing. Yeah. We're not disagreeing, I guess, on the

00:16:04.480 freedom aspect of it, because again, I'm not saying that you should be required to have kids.

00:16:08.240 So you're imposing your sensibilities and what you think is important in life to other people.

00:16:13.920 But everybody has a different idea of what's important without hurting anyone.

00:16:18.240 You guys don't see that Joe is promoting more freedom than Matt here or the religious people.

00:16:22.400 Segal, have you ever seen the HWNDU videos? That's pretty much the live chat room you have.

00:16:27.920 You should check it out. The thing is like, what I'm saying is these people that are,

00:16:31.840 that are married, that don't have children, they're not harming anyone.

00:16:35.120 They're not harming these unborn children that they never have. They're not harming anyone.

00:16:39.520 And it doesn't affect your relationship with your family and your marriage at all.

00:16:44.720 Yeah. But I'm also not, I'm not imposing myself on them or harming them by

00:16:48.800 answering a question about, about how I feel about their choices.

00:16:53.200 Right. But nor are gay people doing that to you.

00:16:55.920 I think the harm comes from, on a societal level, when we start breaking down these basic

00:17:06.400 central institutions, like the institution of the family and of marriage,

00:17:10.720 that's where the harm comes from. And the more that people believe, the more that we build a society

00:17:15.120 where it's believed that marriage is objectively meaningless, right? It's entirely subjective.

00:17:21.440 It's just about, it's just about making you feel better. Love. Can marriage be about love?

00:17:26.560 The more that we build a society like that, I think the, that's where the harm comes in,

00:17:30.240 the worse it is. And people are going to reject marriage. And, and that means more, you know,

00:17:36.560 fewer kids are being born. Also more kids are being born in a context where they don't have

00:17:39.840 that stable family structure. So the harm definitely comes. It may not be this immediate,

00:17:44.880 you know, connect the dots thing, but, uh, and when we can already see that.

00:17:49.840 Okay. That was a little bit boring.

00:17:51.120 That's it.

00:17:58.800 Is this your job?

00:17:59.360 Is this your job?

SNEAKO - November 17, 2022

Joe Rogan and Matt Walsh Debate GAY Marriage...

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