SNEAKO - SNEAKO & Adin Ross Host Debate For Nick Fuentes & Dean Withers

00:00:00.000 I don't know too much about you. We saw some of your Jubilee video, but I've heard good

00:00:07.380 things about your debating.

00:00:09.880 But Aiden told me that you agreed to the topics.

00:00:12.900 No, I didn't.

00:00:14.440 Okay.

00:00:15.540 I'm angling a debate towards Ethan Klein and Hassan Abbey right now.

00:00:19.160 But if it makes sense, it makes sense.

00:00:21.220 And I'll debate anybody.

00:00:23.660 Okay.

00:00:24.120 I moderate debates pretty frequently, so I'm going to stay neutral.

00:00:28.340 Well, obviously, I've known Nick for quite some time.

00:00:31.360 But yeah, we don't want to come off bias at all.

00:00:33.680 We're going to keep it fair and make sure that we can cover all the topics.

00:00:37.640 Cool.

00:00:37.940 Sounds good.

00:00:39.160 Nick, your webcam is not loading.

00:00:40.820 Yeah, Nick, let's get your camera right.

00:00:41.900 I'm trying to get set up here.

00:00:43.160 Give me one sec.

00:00:44.400 Okay.

00:00:46.780 I'm trying to figure out how I can do this here.

00:00:53.600 Dude, I see Aiden giving you that side eye.

00:00:55.620 I'm not going to lie.

00:00:56.480 That's crazy.

00:00:56.980 It's because there's sexual tension.

00:00:59.200 Okay.

00:00:59.760 Word.

00:01:00.160 Got it.

00:01:00.320 All right.

00:01:00.560 I guess I'll just do it like this.

00:01:01.860 My audience won't be able to see, but maybe I'll just try it.

00:01:04.260 All right.

00:01:04.500 I'll let you guys.

00:01:05.580 You guys go ahead and introduce each other.

00:01:09.660 Take it away, Nick.

00:01:10.500 You got it first.

00:01:11.520 Hang on.

00:01:12.520 What's else?

00:01:15.120 Okay.

00:01:15.400 I guess while he's figuring that out, I'll go ahead and give an introduction of myself

00:01:19.840 to everyone watching.

00:01:21.560 I am Dean Withers.

00:01:22.720 I am a 20-year-old liberal.

00:01:24.880 I really enjoy politics.

00:01:28.420 I enjoy debate.

00:01:29.480 I started streaming on TikTok about a year and a half ago, yapping my mouth to maybe

00:01:33.960 a crowd of 30 people, and here we are a year and a half later on a debate stage on Aiden

00:01:38.640 Ross's stream debate, Nick Fuentes.

00:01:40.960 All right.

00:01:41.380 Thank you, Dean.

00:01:42.080 It's going to be a fun night, guys.

00:01:43.320 Thank you very much.

00:01:44.080 It is going to be a fun one.

00:01:45.900 We're just waiting for Nick, and then we'll let Nick introduce himself, and then-

00:01:49.580 Then we got to agree on topics and terms and everything.

00:01:51.360 No, no.

00:01:51.740 They already both agree on the topics.

00:01:53.220 They have?

00:01:53.480 Yeah, there's four good topics.

00:01:54.540 I think they should do maybe a two- to five-minute intro, depending on what they agree on, and

00:01:57.820 then-

00:01:58.140 I agree, and then we'll ask a question.

00:01:59.120 Then we'll do free-flowing, and if they interrupt each other, then we can go to 90-second, two-minute

00:02:02.240 back-and-forth.

00:02:02.820 Correct.

00:02:03.280 Then we have the ability to server mute as well.

00:02:05.820 Oh, yeah.

00:02:06.600 Guys, if you want to formalize this, go for it.

00:02:08.740 Honestly, I was coming in here expecting a back-and-forth conversation.

00:02:11.640 Well, it is.

00:02:12.160 No, no, for sure.

00:02:12.700 But I'm saying, if it comes to too much interruption, then we'll do time back-and-forth.

00:02:16.700 Yeah.

00:02:17.080 Cool.

00:02:17.500 We'll figure it out.

00:02:18.040 We don't want to hear you guys talking over each other the whole time.

00:02:20.780 Hey, Nick, if you can hear me, I know how to fix your issue, bro.

00:02:25.040 Okay, what's up?

00:02:26.120 So start- are you using OBS Studio?

00:02:29.900 Yes.

00:02:30.900 Okay, so you're going to go ahead and start a virtual cam.

00:02:33.800 You'll see that.

00:02:35.200 And what that'll do is you can basically use your webcam at the same time as using it on

00:02:44.500 your stream.

00:02:45.060 So it's like you can use Discord and the stream.

00:02:46.560 Make sure your virtual camera is selected to your video source that you're using on OBS.

00:02:53.360 Okay, let me see.

00:02:55.960 I'm surprised you're not there on OBS.

00:02:58.300 I'm kidding.

00:02:58.860 Hang on.

00:02:59.460 Let me see.

00:03:00.920 Yeah, no, I used to be.

00:03:02.460 I don't know.

00:03:02.960 I got a producer.

00:03:04.300 No way.

00:03:06.900 That's insane.

00:03:08.200 What is this?

00:03:10.060 Yeah, so why isn't this working?

00:03:12.760 Okay.

00:03:13.320 So you know what you got to do?

00:03:15.280 Go to the camera icon and click the little down arrow.

00:03:20.900 Jewish tech support.

00:03:22.600 Come on, man.

00:03:23.440 That's not even bad.

00:03:24.180 Source.

00:03:24.980 Oh, okay.

00:03:26.080 Hang on.

00:03:26.460 I think I got it.

00:03:27.840 Okay.

00:03:28.100 I think I got it.

00:03:30.100 Sorry, guys.

00:03:31.540 No, dude, you're good.

00:03:32.440 Take your time.

00:03:32.920 There we go.

00:03:33.360 There we go.

00:03:33.800 Okay.

00:03:33.980 All right.

00:03:34.320 Can you see?

00:03:36.020 Yes, we're good.

00:03:37.360 Okay.

00:03:37.900 Now let me do this like this.

00:03:41.000 Okay.

00:03:41.680 There we go.

00:03:42.000 That wasn't too hard.

00:03:44.240 All right.

00:03:44.820 All right.

00:03:45.520 Nick, let's give it a little introduction.

00:03:47.680 I would like you to give a little introduction and tell us, you know, the new viewers and stuff,

00:03:51.620 who you are, what you do, talk a little about yourself, and yeah, go ahead.

00:03:57.240 Sure.

00:03:57.780 Yeah.

00:03:58.060 Well, my name is Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:04:00.700 I'm a live streamer.

00:04:01.780 I've been doing a show called America First for eight years, almost eight years now.

00:04:06.920 I'm 26, from Chicago.

00:04:09.680 I'm a reactionary, Trump supporter.

00:04:13.220 Well, I was a Trump supporter, not so much anymore, but I'll be defending Trump.

00:04:16.780 That's fine from, you know, debate point of view.

00:04:21.660 And yeah, so that's me.

00:04:23.400 So I'm excited to be here.

00:04:24.680 It's going to be good.

00:04:25.740 Sweet.

00:04:26.340 Sweet.

00:04:27.020 Okay.

00:04:27.540 Well, you know, the first topic, as everyone knows, I told the chat as well,

00:04:30.540 you know, is who is the better presidential candidate?

00:04:35.480 Dean, we'll start with you.

00:04:38.580 Yeah, sure.

00:04:39.100 So, I mean, obviously I think that the better presidential candidate is Kamala Harris, 0.99

00:04:42.620 but I just wanted to clarify with Nick, you said that you're not much of a Trump supporter.

00:04:45.900 So are you voting for Trump?

00:04:47.320 No, I'm not.

00:04:48.100 I'm not going to vote for him.

00:04:49.800 Who are you voting for?

00:04:51.220 I'm not voting.

00:04:52.880 Oh, okay. 1.00

00:04:53.380 Holy shit. 0.99

00:04:54.280 Well, I mean, you know, the reason I chose that topic was because, you know, 0.99

00:04:57.880 I thought that you were voting for Trump.

00:04:59.400 Um, I, I don't really see much like use in it if you're not voting for Trump.

00:05:03.300 I mean, like, well, it's, it's worthwhile because I'll, I'll argue that people should,

00:05:06.780 I'll just argue that Trump is better than, I think that Trump would be a better president,

00:05:10.700 uh, but I'm not going to vote for him.

00:05:13.200 Okay.

00:05:13.640 Yeah, sure.

00:05:14.060 So we could argue that.

00:05:15.320 Yeah, I guess we'll start there.

00:05:16.280 I disagree.

00:05:17.160 Uh, and you know, one of the main reasons why I disagree, we could come out of the gate

00:05:20.020 swinging is his economic policy.

00:05:22.040 Uh, I think that, uh, you know, it's pretty clear and we could probably both agree on this,

00:05:25.680 uh, that the average American should be doing better than they are today and they should

00:05:29.980 not be doing worse than they are today.

00:05:31.620 Uh, Donald Trump's proposed economic policy will make the average American worse off with

00:05:36.800 his tariffs.

00:05:37.620 Uh, and then his TCGA for another 10 years disproportionately benefits rich people.

00:05:41.580 Uh, it will also just add reckless spending to our debt.

00:05:44.980 It will inflate it even more than it is today.

00:05:46.820 I think there's an estimate from the CBO putting that right at $5.8 trillion. 0.98

00:05:51.000 He has no fucking plan how he's going to pay for it. 0.98

00:05:53.520 Then we look over at Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:05:55.080 Okay.

00:05:55.420 Her proposed tax policy so far is $2.4 trillion.

00:05:58.100 She knows exactly how she's going to pay for it.

00:06:00.020 And they're designed for a hundred million American workers in the low and the middle 0.64

00:06:03.120 class.

00:06:03.600 And it's going to make them better off.

00:06:04.720 Donald Trump's going to make them worse off.

00:06:06.600 Argument's clear.

00:06:08.720 Okay.

00:06:09.160 That's it.

00:06:09.660 It's just the economic proposals.

00:06:11.600 That's all you got.

00:06:13.020 We could start there.

00:06:14.180 Uh, I'm sure we could reference other things too.

00:06:16.440 I didn't want to just throw everything at you at once.

00:06:19.460 I mean, we could talk about multiple things.

00:06:21.880 Yeah.

00:06:22.160 Well, let me, let me address all that.

00:06:23.960 I mean, so with regard to the tariffs, uh, JD Vance pointed this out.

00:06:28.300 The Biden administration continued many of the Trump era tariffs.

00:06:32.100 Um, so that's kind of a moot point.

00:06:34.140 I mean, I don't know if Kamala is going to, of course he did.

00:06:37.360 Of course he continued.

00:06:37.920 No, they continued the tariffs, but it's not a moot point.

00:06:40.060 I disagree with the Biden Harris administration because they continued the tariffs on China.

00:06:43.440 But what Donald Trump is proposing today is a 10 to 20% flat tariff on all goods imported

00:06:47.400 into the country, right?

00:06:48.680 I could say that any and all tariffs are bad, right?

00:06:51.340 But a 10 to 20% flat tariff on all goods is worse than tariffs on goods imported from

00:06:55.740 China.

00:06:55.840 I don't think it's a flat tariff.

00:06:57.100 Is that actually the policy?

00:06:58.180 I don't believe that's right.

00:06:59.600 It is, right?

00:07:00.420 I think that JD Vance was talking about this last night.

00:07:02.040 I don't think so.

00:07:02.620 I think you could reference his own policies, talked about it multiple times in the past.

00:07:05.720 If you don't think this is-

00:07:06.580 It's only on certain countries.

00:07:08.080 There wouldn't be, there would be no 15, that doesn't make any sense.

00:07:10.540 There'd be no 15 to 20% tariff, but even if that were the case, fine.

00:07:15.140 Let's say for the sake of argument, that's true because I don't know the Trump policy.

00:07:18.320 They keep saying that Trump is going to put in place, they're calling it a consumption

00:07:22.780 tax.

00:07:23.380 A consumption tax is a value added tax.

00:07:25.820 They're saying it's going to be like a sales tax.

00:07:28.020 And that's the idea that the taxation occurs at the point of a sale of goods.

00:07:32.040 And that's actually a real proposal, but that's different than a tariff because, and here's

00:07:36.700 a difference, when you put a tariff on goods and services, to call that a consumption tax

00:07:41.800 is to imply that the consumer will bear the full cost of the tariff.

00:07:47.360 And that's not necessarily true.

00:07:49.380 Trump had a lot of tariffs in his first term, and the price of goods did not significantly

00:07:53.880 increase in spite of the tariffs.

00:07:55.840 Everybody says that it would only be the case if the full cost of the tariff was passed down

00:08:00.820 to the consumer, but that flies in the face of the fact that foreign corporations will

00:08:06.460 bear the cost of the tariff, or almost all of it, and certainly not all of it is passed

00:08:12.520 down to the consumer.

00:08:13.280 So that's just not true.

00:08:14.100 That's one.

00:08:14.960 Two, with regard to deficit spending tax policy, I mean, you know, I know you're a young guy

00:08:21.600 and everything, but like Republicans and Democrats, there's a bipartisan consensus on spending.

00:08:26.740 Let's just talk about spending.

00:08:28.180 Most of the spending on an annual basis is not even discretionary, okay?

00:08:33.400 There's mandatory spending, and there's discretionary spending.

00:08:36.300 Mandatory spending means you can't change it, okay?

00:08:39.320 The executive doesn't change it.

00:08:40.760 Congress can barely change it, and that is liabilities like Social Security, Medicare.

00:08:45.840 It's baked into the cake.

00:08:47.080 It's a vast majority of it.

00:08:49.100 And who is going to cut entitlements?

00:08:51.200 Nobody.

00:08:52.200 Republicans aren't proposing to cut entitlements, although they'd be more willing to than Democrats.

00:08:57.100 Democrats are certainly not touching entitlements.

00:09:00.360 Biden always attacks Republicans in his State of the Union, saying they're trying to touch

00:09:04.440 Social Security.

00:09:05.360 What do you think is driving the deficit of the debt?

00:09:07.380 It's Social Security and Medicare.

00:09:09.580 It's unfunded liabilities.

00:09:11.320 In terms of military spending, military spending has gone up every year under the Biden administration.

00:09:16.680 It's like $850 billion per year.

00:09:19.780 That's the largest item in the discretionary budget.

00:09:22.720 So mandatory spending is going to go up in perpetuity under Democrats and Republicans.

00:09:28.240 Discretionary spending is going to go up because military is by far and away the biggest component

00:09:32.440 of that, and Biden spends more.

00:09:34.440 And he spends more on military appropriations because of all the foreign aid.

00:09:38.100 We gave $175 billion to Ukraine.

00:09:40.840 We gave $27 billion to Israel, another $8 billion to Israel last week, $7 billion to Taiwan,

00:09:46.120 $1.3 billion to Egypt.

00:09:47.780 That's in addition to the $850 billion per year, which that's like the highest ever under

00:09:52.260 Biden.

00:09:53.260 So, you know, spending is not coming down under anybody.

00:09:57.740 Well, that's just wrong.

00:09:58.920 I'm sorry for interrupting you.

00:10:00.540 What's wrong?

00:10:01.560 What's wrong about it?

00:10:02.320 You're saying that spending didn't go down under Biden and Harris compared to Trump.

00:10:05.200 You could reference a committee for a responsible federal budget.

00:10:05.960 I didn't say that.

00:10:06.600 I didn't say that.

00:10:07.640 You'd said that spending wasn't going down under anyone, right?

00:10:10.020 We can make a comparative analysis between the two last terms and we could show how it's

00:10:13.300 gone down.

00:10:14.280 A committee for a responsible federal budget indicated that Donald Trump signed $8.7 trillion

00:10:18.660 of debt into law.

00:10:20.680 Meanwhile, Biden and Harris only signed in 4.6.

00:10:23.740 I mean, we could break that down into COVID and non-COVID.

00:10:26.500 Like, for instance, Trump signed $4.8 trillion of non-COVID-related expenditures into law.

00:10:30.840 Meanwhile, Biden only signed in 2.2 trillion.

00:10:32.820 But the first point that you made, I wanted to touch on that.

00:10:35.080 You were talking about the tariffs, right?

00:10:36.500 You just kind of related it back to how the Kamala Harris campaign is calling it a sales

00:10:41.080 tax and then that's kind of all you said.

00:10:43.260 Yeah, I don't really care what they're calling it.

00:10:44.940 I agree.

00:10:45.420 That's just a term that they use to convince the average American that doesn't know much

00:10:48.940 about what a tariff is, that it's really bad.

00:10:51.520 But at the end of the day, the impact of the tariff still does serve as a detriment to

00:10:55.680 the consumer.

00:10:56.140 And you were very careful with your words here because you told me that that tax, right,

00:11:02.100 that tariff isn't fully paid by the consumer, implicitly kind of conceding there that some

00:11:06.980 of it is, right?

00:11:08.080 And that's what I'm talking about.

00:11:09.640 That is a tax that in some sorts is passed off to the consumer.

00:11:13.640 We could also consider other attributes such as the idea when we reduce the overall supply

00:11:17.400 of a good with a constant demand, the price will go up.

00:11:19.720 That's basic macroeconomics.

00:11:21.020 That's going to happen when we reduce the amount of imported goods without increasing

00:11:25.240 the amount of supply manufactured here at home in the U.S.

00:11:28.020 At the end of the day, tariffs are bad.

00:11:29.720 This is a unilateral, agreed upon consensus.

00:11:32.900 Republicans and Democrats alike, you go to any economist, they'll tell you this unless

00:11:36.040 they don't have the necessary qualifications to be.

00:11:38.820 And that's a fact.

00:11:39.940 And then when we kind of consider these tariffs alongside his policy, disproportionately benefiting

00:11:43.880 the rich man and seemingly at the expense of the poor man with these tariffs, it becomes

00:11:48.080 quite clear.

00:11:48.560 If we want to serve to the average American in their best interests, we need to be voting

00:11:52.940 for Kamala Harris because her policy does exactly that. 1.00

00:11:55.540 I mean, 83% of the tax cuts in the TCGA for the last seven years went to the top 1%.

00:12:03.880 I mean, is that just rhetoric?

00:12:05.880 Okay, is it my turn?

00:12:07.320 Go for it, sir.

00:12:08.240 Okay, so with regard to tariffs, yes, some of the cost is passed down to the consumer,

00:12:13.240 but it's marginal.

00:12:14.400 And the point of tariffs is to reshore manufacturing.

00:12:17.660 I'll give you a perfect example.

00:12:19.440 China has now become the largest manufacturer of electric cars.

00:12:23.380 Huge industry.

00:12:24.940 You could buy an electric car in China for $10,000.

00:12:28.200 Tesla does not cost $10,000.

00:12:30.700 If we allow China to dump their electric cars in America, there goes Tesla.

00:12:35.280 There goes our American electric car manufacturing.

00:12:38.580 And it's a national security problem.

00:12:40.340 There's a lot of problems.

00:12:41.520 You have to put tariffs on the cars.

00:12:43.560 Probably China will send them here regardless because they're still so cheap.

00:12:48.080 And yeah, they're not going to be $10,000.

00:12:50.160 But there's a value in making cars in America.

00:12:54.080 There's a value.

00:12:55.000 And by the way, because then Americans get those jobs.

00:12:57.200 So, you know, you could say that free trade creates the lowest costs, but the only reason it creates the lowest costs is because they can undercut us with wages and with their lower standard of living and monetary policy that they have in their own country.

00:13:10.760 So tariffs are essential for a holistic understanding of the economy.

00:13:15.580 The increase in prices is marginal.

00:13:17.900 It's not significant.

00:13:19.280 And when you call it a consumer tax or a sales tax, you know, that does matter because they're conflating that with a VAT tax.

00:13:26.440 That's very different.

00:13:28.040 The 15, 20 percent to the – and I don't know that they're doing it on every country, so I'll take your word for it. 0.91

00:13:33.520 It's not going to be passed down to consumers beyond a marginal amount.

00:13:36.640 That's one.

00:13:37.280 In terms of you said, oh, well, Trump had more deficit spending, almost all of that is accounted for by the pandemic, almost all of it.

00:13:44.840 When you say, well, Trump had a $6, $8 trillion deficit, that was because of the COVID stimulus, the PPP, the cash payments.

00:13:52.320 Half of it.

00:13:52.980 Almost all of it.

00:13:54.340 And here's the point.

00:13:55.020 No, go to CRDF.org.

00:13:55.880 Hang on, hang on.

00:13:56.200 Hang on.

00:13:57.020 I'll let you finish.

00:13:58.160 Yes, sir.

00:13:58.460 You said – so the structural problems with deficit spending, they're there under Trump.

00:14:04.400 They're there under Harris.

00:14:05.460 And by the way, Republicans tried to get limitations on the deficit.

00:14:09.660 That's what they got elected on.

00:14:10.720 Republicans regained control of Congress in 22, saying they'd limit the deficit.

00:14:14.800 They negotiated it over the debt ceiling negotiations last year.

00:14:18.340 They negotiated it over military appropriations last year with the October 1st deadline.

00:14:23.480 Tried to negotiate it this year.

00:14:25.800 Democrats wouldn't come to the table on deficit reduction.

00:14:28.960 Either way, like the deficit is baked into the cake, okay?

00:14:32.340 The debt is $30 trillion, interest rates are high, interest to service the debt is going up.

00:14:37.780 Neither Harris or Trump is meaningfully going to reduce the debt or the deficit.

00:14:42.080 So it's just moot.

00:14:43.180 Without bringing down Social Security and Medicare, just forget about it.

00:14:47.240 Without bringing down the military, it's not going to happen.

00:14:50.100 You know, and there are these extraordinary measures like COVID and Ukraine war.

00:14:54.000 It's really neither here nor there.

00:14:54.960 Also, I mean, I think deficit is really besides the point.

00:14:58.700 If you want to get further into the deficit, though—

00:15:00.480 First time I've heard a Republican say that, by the way.

00:15:02.500 Yeah, well, I'm not a normal Republican.

00:15:04.240 I'm not like a fiscal conservative, okay?

00:15:06.420 Look, the deficit—

00:15:06.620 Do you mind if I respond to the points that you've made so far?

00:15:08.860 What's that?

00:15:09.640 Do you mind if I respond to the points that you've made so far?

00:15:11.160 Yeah, go ahead.

00:15:11.540 I just want to look at what you said.

00:15:12.480 Sure.

00:15:12.760 So, like, first of all—

00:15:13.580 Wait, but real quick, Dean, Dean, and I'm not cutting you off.

00:15:15.440 Guys, we just have 10 minutes on this topic.

00:15:17.320 Just 10 more minutes on this topic.

00:15:18.560 Go ahead, Dean.

00:15:18.880 Okay, right.

00:15:20.620 So the first claim that you made, that tariff isn't passed off to the consumer, yeah, that's

00:15:25.920 wrong, because what would the point of the tariff be then, okay?

00:15:28.680 We see an increase in domestic production given tariffs because that is passed off to

00:15:32.780 the consumer.

00:15:33.320 Would you agree there?

00:15:34.440 No, absolutely not.

00:15:35.680 Okay, so then why do we see an increase in domestic production given tariffs?

00:15:39.780 Because when you produce something in China, you can make it for cheaper, so your margin

00:15:44.200 is bigger, so you can undercut prices.

00:15:45.980 Oh, you make it more expensive for the consumer at the grocery store by imposing those

00:15:48.620 tariffs, right?

00:15:49.600 And then secondly, I agree with you.

00:15:51.300 Again, because China will pay the tariff to get their goods to the market because they

00:15:56.560 need access to the market.

00:15:58.160 But then why won't we buy it?

00:15:59.040 Because it costs more money, right?

00:16:00.640 And that's my whole argument, is that tariffs cause the end consumer to pay more at the grocery

00:16:04.460 store, to pay more at Best Buy, to pay more at the car dealership.

00:16:07.600 Do you know what a tariff is?

00:16:08.280 There's another point that you brought up there.

00:16:09.520 It's a tax on an import.

00:16:11.760 And there's another point that you brought up there about how we want to spur domestic production

00:16:15.560 of goods.

00:16:15.900 I don't disagree.

00:16:17.380 I absolutely agree.

00:16:18.620 We should have a more industrialized economy where we produce goods here at home in America.

00:16:23.220 We just disagree on how we get there, right?

00:16:25.580 I, right, I support-

00:16:26.740 How do we get there without tariffs?

00:16:28.120 Yeah, sure, right?

00:16:29.020 By driving further competition through the natural market.

00:16:33.440 We do that via investment.

00:16:34.640 What's the natural market?

00:16:36.340 We do that by investing in money.

00:16:37.920 I'm sorry, investing in money.

00:16:38.760 That was crazy.

00:16:39.660 Investing in U.S. producers of goods, like the Chips and Science Act under Biden and Harris'

00:16:43.040 administration that invested billions of dollars into U.S. chip producers to further drive

00:16:47.460 competition, right, with those imported goods just via innovation in the product, right?

00:16:52.160 And the fact that you as a conservative are sitting here telling me that we need a government

00:16:56.920 to impose a regulation on the free market by tariffing those goods that are being imported

00:17:01.580 to our country.

00:17:02.520 It's just new.

00:17:03.320 You know what I mean?

00:17:04.280 Well, it may be new to you because, like, your only context of a Republican is, like,

00:17:09.220 Reagan.

00:17:10.120 But if you go back to Henry Clay and Friedrich List and the American system, Alexander Hamilton,

00:17:16.540 the country was basically funded by tariffs until we had an income tax.

00:17:21.060 Yeah, do you know why?

00:17:21.500 Okay, we only had an income tax 100 years ago.

00:17:23.640 Before that, the federal government made its money from tariffs.

00:17:27.480 Yeah, but do you know why?

00:17:28.020 This is basic mercantilism because we want to make the stuff.

00:17:30.980 And by the way, when you say, well, we're just going to invest, it doesn't work.

00:17:35.300 China's dollar goes three times as far because the standard of living is lower.

00:17:39.960 They're rich in raw materials.

00:17:41.840 They have an endless supply of labor, cheap labor.

00:17:45.000 The idea you're going to chips and science is your way out of China having systemic advantages, 0.97

00:17:50.440 economic factors of production like labor.

00:17:52.920 They have a billion and a half people.

00:17:54.540 You're not going to pass a bill that's going to change those fundamental imbalances in

00:17:59.840 the economy.

00:18:01.080 We have capital, we have tech, we have entrepreneurship, they have labor.

00:18:05.160 Okay, it's the same reason, hang on, and it's the same reason why we're even, when we try

00:18:10.440 to, they call it friend-shoring, we're going to take our factories from China and give them 0.99

00:18:15.560 to our allies like Philippines.

00:18:17.620 It's still going to China because they have all the cheap labor. 0.97

00:18:20.960 You just can't compete with that.

00:18:22.360 You can't compete with the fact that they make everything, they have all the people.

00:18:26.960 So you agree that we should re-industrialize.

00:18:29.580 You literally cannot do that unless you protect industry.

00:18:33.020 And by the way, China has tariffs too.

00:18:35.340 All countries have tariffs.

00:18:36.800 We're the country that doesn't have tariffs.

00:18:38.840 They're eating our lunch as a result.

00:18:41.140 So, you know, that's just not true.

00:18:42.820 What you're saying isn't true.

00:18:43.940 No, Donald Trump's taken away the average American's lunch as a result.

00:18:47.700 Like once again, we've already went over how tariffs can cause prices at the grocery store

00:18:51.220 to go higher.

00:18:52.260 Every single time we've historically increased tariffs on China, what have we seen?

00:18:55.860 A reduction in U.S. agriculture exports.

00:18:58.120 What did Trump have to do when he imposed his tariffs on China?

00:19:00.600 He had to bail out American farmers with $28 billion.

00:19:03.060 You say you want American industrialization.

00:19:04.980 You say you want more U.S. production of goods.

00:19:06.620 But then you also say that you want these tariffs on China to absolutely destroy American farmers.

00:19:11.060 And you want the average American to be worse off, meaning they have less economic mobility

00:19:14.040 to go and start a business in the first place.

00:19:15.540 This is why Comlaris' tax policy is better, right?

00:19:18.500 Because what we're not going to do—

00:19:19.080 This is like Democrat talking points.

00:19:20.900 Okay, well, can you dispute them?

00:19:22.740 Yeah, like I said, tariffs—the other country will pay the cost of the tariff, okay?

00:19:27.280 You're saying consumers will pay it, and that's just wrong, okay?

00:19:30.860 Under the Trump administration—hang on, Trump administration—I'll give you a perfect

00:19:35.960 example.

00:19:36.640 Trump administration implemented tariffs against Canada, against Europe, against China.

00:19:42.180 Inflation was—oh, hang on.

00:19:43.860 Inflation was like 1.3 percent under Trump, okay?

00:19:47.860 So if what you're saying is true, that the cost of the tariff would be passed down to the

00:19:52.560 consumer one-to-one or even significantly, inflation would not remain at or around 1 percent.

00:19:58.020 Why—if—and by the way, Biden administration has tariffs, too.

00:20:01.560 Inflation is very high, but the cost of goods going up has everything to do with fuel prices

00:20:06.360 going up—

00:20:06.920 Hey, guys, we got five more minutes.

00:20:07.600 —because of the war in Ukraine.

00:20:08.680 Hey, we got five more minutes.

00:20:09.780 —everything to do with—

00:20:10.360 Five more minutes, Nick.

00:20:11.620 Okay, five minutes.

00:20:12.240 Well, a very crucial point, a very crucial point here.

00:20:13.540 With the quantitative easing.

00:20:14.680 If they don't cause inflation of the pricing of goods at the grocery store, then why would

00:20:19.620 we see an increase in domestic production?

00:20:22.220 Because it will make it competitive for America to make the same things.

00:20:27.220 How?

00:20:27.540 If China—it's so—it's basic math. 0.72

00:20:31.140 If it costs—

00:20:32.200 I'm going to, if you stop interrupting me.

00:20:34.580 If it costs less to make something in China because they have abundant labor than it does

00:20:40.640 in the United States, then China can sell it at a lower price because their cost is lower.

00:20:47.960 But if we make them pay more to bring their goods to the market, then they have to sell 0.85

00:20:54.340 it for more.

00:20:55.680 Or they have to pay the tariff and they make less profit.

00:20:59.560 Nick, you just agreed with me.

00:21:00.760 It's not profitable for American companies to make—

00:21:02.980 Can you stop interrupting me?

00:21:04.480 Can you—

00:21:04.840 Hang on.

00:21:05.220 If these products cost more, what does that mean for the consumer?

00:21:06.880 Can you stop interrupting me, please?

00:21:08.560 Sure.

00:21:08.880 It adds, but who pays the cost?

00:21:12.440 China pays the cost to bring it to the market, not the consumer.

00:21:16.800 And who pays the cost once it's in the market?

00:21:19.840 Well, the consumer does.

00:21:21.440 Thank you.

00:21:22.000 But they're buying what they're already buying.

00:21:24.940 They're just buying it from an American producer.

00:21:28.160 Yeah, for a higher price, right?

00:21:30.460 Yeah, so for a slightly marginally higher price so we can have American production.

00:21:35.300 Okay, okay.

00:21:36.220 But there's also economies of scale.

00:21:37.920 Thank you.

00:21:38.340 It stimulates American industry, and then America's able to produce what China would ordinarily 0.94

00:21:44.400 produce.

00:21:45.900 Okay, all right.

00:21:46.620 In America, we'll produce it for a more expensive price because we don't have as cheap of labor

00:21:52.180 as they are.

00:21:52.940 It protects the American industry, which is undercut—

00:21:56.400 By causing inflation, right?

00:21:58.020 Can you agree with me there?

00:21:59.020 Marginal.

00:21:59.700 Marginal.

00:22:00.460 It's marginal.

00:22:01.160 Marginal increases in the—

00:22:02.340 But either way—

00:22:03.040 We're getting somewhere.

00:22:04.180 But it's really not the—

00:22:05.140 Well, and I said that earlier, so it's the same thing.

00:22:07.320 But either way, the Biden administration has tariffs too, so it's basically a moot point.

00:22:12.120 No, it's not a moot point because, once again, he wants to impose tariffs on all—

00:22:14.920 But you disagree with the Biden administration's policy, right?

00:22:18.160 Absolutely, right.

00:22:19.160 Okay, so what do we have been arguing about?

00:22:21.400 Trump had tariffs.

00:22:23.080 Biden has tariffs.

00:22:24.380 No, no, no.

00:22:25.220 Tariffs protect industry in America.

00:22:26.560 You support that.

00:22:28.960 No, so the reason that this is a bad argument is because Trump wants more tariffs, right?

00:22:34.240 I don't understand how this isn't evidently clear.

00:22:35.960 I think what you're trying to do is kind of confuse people between me saying that tariffs

00:22:40.840 that Biden and Harris imposed were bad and me saying that when Donald Trump is elected,

00:22:44.920 he wants to impose all tariffs on all imported goods.

00:22:47.340 That's just not true.

00:22:48.320 Right, one is worse than another.

00:22:50.120 Okay, so you say that—

00:22:50.940 They're not putting tariffs on all imported goods.

00:22:53.780 Okay, does he just want to keep the ones on China?

00:22:56.300 It's going to be on—I don't know the Trump policy, but it's not on all imported goods.

00:23:00.120 That's just a Democrat lie.

00:23:00.480 Okay, so then how is he going to pay for the $4.8 trillion associated with his tax cuts?

00:23:03.080 He can fact-check that.

00:23:04.960 Then how is he going to pay for the—

00:23:06.040 Borrowing.

00:23:06.540 Like they pay for all—like how they pay for $175 billion to—

00:23:11.200 And what's the biggest expense of our government?

00:23:14.780 Liabilities.

00:23:16.040 Liabilities, no.

00:23:16.960 It's interest on—

00:23:17.380 Medicare, Social Security.

00:23:18.460 That's totally wrong.

00:23:19.960 No, the biggest expense of our federal government is interest on debt.

00:23:24.300 Totally wrong.

00:23:25.580 Okay, I don't think that's wrong.

00:23:27.180 That's liabilities.

00:23:27.860 I think that's totally correct.

00:23:28.840 Okay, we're wrapping up on time here.

00:23:30.400 Let's give a—

00:23:30.960 Oh, you're wrong on the Trump policy, and you're wrong on spending.

00:23:33.220 Okay, we'll give a one-minute closing to—Dean started, so we'll—one minute closing for

00:23:37.980 Dean, and then one minute for Nick.

00:23:42.060 Oh, you could go first, Nick.

00:23:45.620 Who gave the first opening statement, you or me?

00:23:47.960 It was Dean who started first.

00:23:49.140 Yeah, so Dean, we want to let Nick finish.

00:23:50.740 That means I go last.

00:23:51.800 That means I go last.

00:23:52.700 Dean, you start.

00:23:53.260 And then, Dean, the next one, Nick will start.

00:23:55.900 Okay.

00:23:56.260 All right, yeah, that's fine.

00:23:57.020 I was just looking first, so I should justify what I said there.

00:23:59.400 So, yeah, my closing statement would just be, right, obviously I think the economic

00:24:03.080 policy is a very prime reason to vote for Kamala Harris, because she's going to make 1.00

00:24:07.020 the average American better off.

00:24:08.200 Donald Trump is not going to make the average American the better off.

00:24:10.860 He's going to make them worse off with his tariffs, right?

00:24:13.040 Nick essentially did concede there, saying that tariffs do cause higher prices for the

00:24:16.560 consumers at the grocery store.

00:24:18.280 And then Nick also just kind of says that he doesn't really care about debt, okay?

00:24:21.760 So if you want more debt, vote for Donald Trump, because he's going to throw $5.8 trillion

00:24:26.520 on our nation's debt.

00:24:27.760 Meanwhile, Kamala Harris' proposed tax policy is going to be self-sufficient over the 10-year 0.91

00:24:30.720 lifespan of the bill.

00:24:31.420 So, and then one other final point here, there's much more reasons why Kamala Harris

00:24:35.640 is a better candidate than Donald Trump that we didn't get a touch on, such as the fact 0.97

00:24:38.520 that we probably shouldn't be voting for a rapist. 0.94

00:24:40.420 We probably shouldn't be voting for a religious persecutor.

00:24:42.840 We should probably be voting for the individual that's doing trying federal protections for

00:24:46.820 all 170 million American women and girls' right to choose, right? 1.00

00:24:49.980 And plenty of other reasons that we didn't get to get to.

00:24:52.460 And I'm sad that we didn't.

00:24:53.820 And hopefully we might be able to get back around to it later.

00:24:56.820 But I'll go ahead and concede the rest of my time.

00:24:58.400 Take it away.

00:24:59.280 Yeah.

00:24:59.560 All right.

00:25:00.500 Well, Aiden and Sneeko, can we do immigration?

00:25:03.360 I feel like that's a big one.

00:25:04.460 We could do a few of these other issues.

00:25:06.100 Well, real quick, before-

00:25:06.940 It's a big issue.

00:25:07.840 Can you just do your statement really quick?

00:25:09.860 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:10.280 I'm just saying, like, can we make that one of the topics?

00:25:12.620 Well, that's something that we had to talk about prior.

00:25:14.540 Dean, if you would like to as well, we could do that next.

00:25:17.460 Can you repeat that?

00:25:18.280 I was a little bit-

00:25:18.620 He wants to talk about immigration if you want to keep Trump or Kamala going.

00:25:20.860 We have other subjects, but on the subject of Trump or Kamala-

00:25:23.040 You guys didn't agree to that prior, but if you guys want to agree to do an immigration,

00:25:25.620 we can do that next.

00:25:26.780 It's up to you guys.

00:25:27.560 Both of you have to agree.

00:25:28.580 Yeah.

00:25:29.000 You just want to see-

00:25:29.720 I mean, like, maybe we could throw it in there at the end.

00:25:31.520 I mean, get through the four topics we have agreed upon.

00:25:33.220 Sure.

00:25:33.420 If there's time, we might be able to talk about it.

00:25:35.240 Okay.

00:25:35.680 So, please give your closing statement, Nick.

00:25:37.860 Yeah.

00:25:38.120 So, I mean, my closing statement on Trump, I don't even think fiscal policy is the biggest

00:25:42.500 issue.

00:25:43.600 To me, that's really a side issue.

00:25:46.200 And the reason is because both parties are profligate spenders.

00:25:49.280 Republicans, Democrats are both profligate spenders.

00:25:51.900 Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, they're all huge spenders.

00:25:55.320 They're huge spenders on the military.

00:25:56.760 They're not touching liabilities.

00:25:58.540 You know, there's talk about tax cuts increasing the deficit.

00:26:01.100 You can look at the Laffer curve and, you know, debate whether that's really the case.

00:26:05.500 I mean, the theory behind tax cuts is that it stimulates economic growth, which it certainly

00:26:10.620 does.

00:26:11.160 It brings in more tax revenue.

00:26:12.560 Maybe you find that convincing.

00:26:13.720 Maybe you don't.

00:26:14.960 Point is, neither party's going to rein in the deficit.

00:26:18.140 I just don't think it's an issue.

00:26:20.080 In terms of tariffs, the consensus has changed.

00:26:22.800 Democrats and Republicans used to be free traders.

00:26:26.120 They're not anymore.

00:26:27.180 Bill Clinton, Bush, Obama were free traders.

00:26:30.000 They're just not anymore.

00:26:31.240 Trump is not a free trader.

00:26:32.720 Biden's not a free trader.

00:26:34.180 Trump has tariffs.

00:26:35.100 Biden has tariffs.

00:26:36.580 And that's because there's a recognition that we need to have a supply chain in America.

00:26:40.320 Eighty five percent of the economy in America is services.

00:26:43.560 Only 15 percent is construction, agriculture and manufacturing.

00:26:47.660 And this is a big it's not only a national security issue, but it's also a jobs issue.

00:26:52.120 We need to make stuff in America.

00:26:53.480 The only way that we're going to beat these other countries that are undercutting us with 1.00

00:26:57.020 wages is with tariffs to protect our industries.

00:27:00.280 And yes, that does result in technically marginally higher consumer prices.

00:27:04.580 But it's more important to have good jobs in industry.

00:27:08.540 All right.

00:27:08.760 That was good.

00:27:09.500 So we can we'll circle back to Trump and Kamala.

00:27:12.000 But to keep it on the subject, we have four very different topics right now.

00:27:14.800 Real quick before I just want to say thank you both for giving you guys, you know, you

00:27:18.680 guys are very letting each other talk and stuff.

00:27:20.040 Thank you.

00:27:20.520 I appreciate that.

00:27:22.060 But go ahead, Sneeko. 0.79

00:27:22.880 I'm sorry to cut you off.

00:27:23.880 All right.

00:27:24.100 So the next subject that we agreed upon was Christianity.

00:27:26.820 But to make it interesting, Nick, do you we can be more specific.

00:27:30.720 We could talk about Christian nationalism.

00:27:33.200 Sure.

00:27:34.020 OK, so the subject will be is Christian nationalism, good or bad.

00:27:39.780 And OK, well, let's start with Nick, because we started with Dean last time.

00:27:42.880 We'll do let's do three minute intro. 0.55

00:27:45.640 I'll give you a one minute warning and then I'll give Dean a three minute intro and then

00:27:48.960 we'll go free flowing.

00:27:50.000 And if it's interruptions, we'll time it.

00:27:51.160 But it was it goes good so far, but Nick, take the floor three minutes.

00:27:54.340 OK, well, I believe that America should have a religious government.

00:27:59.100 We should have a Christian Catholic government like that. 0.56

00:28:02.200 And, you know, we have to face the fact that liberalism has failed.

00:28:05.880 And the best example that liberalism is failing is that we're not having enough kids.

00:28:10.480 The society, the civilization that doesn't have kids will cease to exist and it will lose.

00:28:15.840 And it is losing.

00:28:16.540 Liberalism around the world is receding and these more ancient, tribal, perennial cultures 0.99

00:28:22.160 are thriving.

00:28:22.840 Islam is the fastest growing religion.

00:28:24.960 China is on the rise.

00:28:27.300 Tribalism, racialism, all these things, all these revanchist, historic ideologies are on

00:28:32.440 the rise.

00:28:32.920 And they're all beating back liberalism because liberalism is weak.

00:28:37.680 It is ineffectual.

00:28:39.260 It's causing all kinds of perversity, degeneracy.

00:28:42.140 People are not having kids.

00:28:44.200 It's just sort of like anti-human and inimical to the human body.

00:28:47.420 So, I mean, in addition to Catholicism and Christianity being true, liberalism is clearly bankrupt.

00:28:55.320 Liberalism is clearly having a hard time.

00:28:57.300 I think we should replace our state religion of liberalism with the state religion of Christianity. 0.98

00:29:02.340 And I'm interested to see where Dean wants to take it because obviously it's a huge topic.

00:29:07.840 But I think we should have a Catholic country, not a liberal atheist one. 0.99

00:29:12.640 Yeah, I think that there's a lot of different ways that a conversation about Christian nationalism

00:29:16.400 can go.

00:29:17.240 I mean, I've debated people on Christian nationalism before that will concede even if Christianity 0.99

00:29:20.680 is false, right?

00:29:21.560 We should still be a country that upholds Christian nationalism because it promotes better outcomes.

00:29:26.260 But I think there's a couple points there that you made I'd just like to respond to

00:29:28.740 real quick about declining birth rates, immigration.

00:29:33.920 That's crazy.

00:29:34.920 Then about, you know, a couple of the other points that you brought up.

00:29:38.020 I particularly think that Christian nationalism is bad because it doesn't allow us to effectively 1.00

00:29:43.540 legislate.

00:29:44.340 But given, like, the Christian religion, right, we are led to believe that particular things

00:29:48.420 are wrong because God said so.

00:29:49.960 You said that you're a Catholic.

00:29:51.220 I think in the Catholic faith you'll kind of have a different range on how bad things

00:29:55.600 are.

00:29:55.980 Something can be a mortal sin, a venial sin.

00:29:58.300 But something that I'd say here that is a very absurd conclusion given Christian nationalism 1.00

00:30:02.060 is shit like blasphemy. 0.99

00:30:03.680 So, like, blasphemy, as defined by the Bible, is the worst sin that anyone can commit. 0.99

00:30:07.400 Does that mean that people should go to jail for life for blasphemy?

00:30:10.480 Well, I don't know.

00:30:11.720 Because we know that people should go to jail for life for murder.

00:30:14.660 And if blasphemy is worse than murder, and we're operating under a system in a society

00:30:18.540 with a government that legislates on the basis of the Bible and these foundational beliefs

00:30:21.800 as prescribed by Christianity, are we going to start sending people to jail for blasphemy

00:30:25.760 too?

00:30:26.280 I don't see how you'd be able to respond to that.

00:30:28.180 I don't.

00:30:29.020 And then, like, a couple other things that we could say here.

00:30:31.540 The Bible promotes very harmful bad beliefs.

00:30:33.680 I mean, 1 Samuel 15.3, God tells Saul and his men to genocide the Amalekite men, women,

00:30:38.140 and girls.

00:30:38.900 I bet if I was to engage in a conversation with this guy specifically about 1 Samuel 15.3,

00:30:43.140 he'll end up saying that sometimes genocide's okay.

00:30:45.420 Leviticus 25, verses 44 through 46, God tells the Israelites that they can own the non-Israelites 0.99

00:30:49.980 as human property for life.

00:30:51.320 I bet if I was to have a conversation with this guy about that topic, he'd end up saying

00:30:54.980 that no, slavery hasn't always been wrong, alongside other things, right?

00:30:58.900 So we could talk about how Christianity is false. 0.96

00:31:00.980 We could talk about how it doesn't allow us to effectively legislate.

00:31:03.400 We could talk about the absurdities that are already present in the Bible, but one last

00:31:07.280 point that I'd like to bring up is if you're going to make an argument on the basis of the

00:31:10.340 efficacy and the outcomes in which it would generate in society, which seemingly you started

00:31:13.620 to there, well, what if we find another religion that generates better outcomes than the one 0.90

00:31:18.260 that you hold to?

00:31:19.020 One minute, D.

00:31:19.460 Okay, so the reason that you want a Christian nation is because it will promote human well-being

00:31:23.680 and happiness.

00:31:24.400 People are going to be having more kids and following these commandments.

00:31:27.000 They'll be doing good. 0.99

00:31:27.900 No degeneracy, none of that shit. 0.99

00:31:29.420 Well, what if I told you that the LDS church had even better outcomes than the Catholic 1.00

00:31:33.800 church?

00:31:34.360 Would you all of a sudden be in support of an LDS-led state?

00:31:37.640 Probably not.

00:31:38.740 Okay, right?

00:31:39.620 So that's another contradiction on its own.

00:31:41.320 So feel free to kind of pick and choose there, respond to the point that you won't take it

00:31:44.440 away.

00:31:44.620 So you said about birth rates or immigration.

00:31:49.840 Well, here's the problem.

00:31:50.960 Okay, one, the people that have liberalism are killing themselves.

00:31:56.260 Okay, so the people that invented liberalism, that live in liberal societies, literally and

00:32:01.100 figuratively are killing themselves. 0.74

00:32:03.120 They're committing suicide. 0.99

00:32:04.600 They're dying. 0.96

00:32:05.000 The guy that you worship literally killed themselves.

00:32:06.180 Okay, are you going to interrupt me like 30 seconds into my rebuttal?

00:32:08.940 That's crazy.

00:32:09.500 No confidence in liberalism. 0.94

00:32:10.940 They commit suicide, they die from desert despair, they're addicted to drugs, all kinds

00:32:16.340 of things.

00:32:17.260 They're all dying over there.

00:32:18.720 Okay, we're dying in America, we're dying in Europe.

00:32:20.600 And by the way, these people come from non-liberal or illiberal societies, and then their birth 0.78

00:32:26.400 rate goes down.

00:32:27.400 So even if you wanted to argue, oh, well, like, you know, we could salvage liberalism with

00:32:32.180 an endless supply of immigration from illiberal societies that have kids, when they get here, 0.88

00:32:38.180 their birth rate goes down.

00:32:40.180 And these are not liberal people.

00:32:42.560 They come from illiberal places like China or Africa or Latin America. 1.00

00:32:47.320 They come here, they assimilate, and within a few generations, the birth rate goes down 0.68

00:32:51.800 because liberalism is suicidal.

00:32:53.860 With regard to the question about efficacy and outcomes, I'm not arguing that we should

00:32:58.260 have the religion with the best efficacy.

00:33:00.440 I said liberalism has failed, and we know it's failed because it's committing suicide.

00:33:04.900 So clearly, liberalism as a system is not working.

00:33:09.500 And that's why, you know, it's such a radical notion people think that we would have blasphemy

00:33:13.740 laws or religious laws.

00:33:15.500 They think it's a radical notion.

00:33:16.860 It's unthinkable.

00:33:17.720 The current system must be replaced.

00:33:21.140 It's an imperative.

00:33:21.920 It's not a question of, you know, whether or how or anything like that.

00:33:25.800 It simply must be because it will cease to exist.

00:33:28.500 And so that's really the crux of the argument.

00:33:31.300 You know, why it should be Catholicism, it's because Catholicism is true.

00:33:34.680 But the point I'm trying to make is for people that say it's so radical that we would go

00:33:39.600 backwards.

00:33:40.540 I would say we went backwards with liberalism as evidenced by the fact that it's not even

00:33:45.340 reproducing itself.

00:33:46.820 And that's a huge problem.

00:33:48.460 With regard to the stuff about the Old Testament, I mean, look, the Catholic Church, Christians

00:33:53.440 today are not in favor of genocide or slavery.

00:33:56.460 You know, if you want to get into that, this is just like new atheism 101 to like, are you

00:34:01.000 an atheist?

00:34:01.560 Let me just say, are you an atheist or something? 0.98

00:34:03.700 I'm an agnostic, but I wouldn't particularly use these verses in the Bible to say that your

00:34:07.860 religion is false. 1.00

00:34:08.860 I use these verses in the Bible to say that your religion is absurd. 1.00

00:34:11.940 To say that your religion is false. 0.71

00:34:13.100 I just wanted to ask you that.

00:34:14.600 And then let me finish the last point.

00:34:16.780 So it's very funny when atheists who have no objective source of morality, it's like, 1.00

00:34:22.120 you know, their morality is something like, hey, man, just leave everybody alone.

00:34:26.040 What if I disagree?

00:34:27.240 What if my morality says, well, I want to kill everybody or something?

00:34:30.280 What if the majority of people said our morality says, well, we want to harm and we want to 0.79

00:34:35.020 rape and we want to do this and that. 1.00

00:34:36.660 An atheist has no God that says, well, you know, so-and-so has the authority to say this 0.98

00:34:42.360 is correct.

00:34:43.660 That's a problem.

00:34:44.560 And yet they have a problem with blasphemy laws.

00:34:46.540 It is good to have a God that is a source of authority that gives us our morality that

00:34:52.320 is unquestionable.

00:34:53.560 With regard to the Old Testament, if you want to get into the debate about, you know, what's

00:34:57.460 bad, I would start with the question of how do you know what's bad?

00:35:00.540 Hey, Nick, I'm sorry to cut you off.

00:35:01.540 You claim that certain things are bad.

00:35:02.800 You don't know where good and bad comes from.

00:35:04.840 And how do we know the good and bad are even real?

00:35:07.340 If we're all material, if we're only atoms and we don't have souls, why does it matter what

00:35:13.640 happens to any of us?

00:35:14.820 I mean, what is justice?

00:35:16.500 Is there such a thing as the conceptual?

00:35:19.020 If there is only matter, where is the conceptual?

00:35:22.420 Can we see it?

00:35:23.200 Can we feel it?

00:35:23.980 Is it located somewhere?

00:35:25.620 Let's let you respond.

00:35:26.560 Well, and I'm making a point here.

00:35:28.200 I'll wrap it up quickly.

00:35:29.500 So for an atheist to point to the Old Testament and say, well, you know, how could a God who

00:35:34.560 does these things be so immoral?

00:35:37.340 I would say to the godless, what is moral and who are we if we're not just stardust being

00:35:43.320 rearranged?

00:35:44.020 I mean, slavery, these things, these are conceptual.

00:35:46.900 It can only exist with a with a real philosophical viewpoint.

00:35:49.960 Now, with this kind of lame, like, sky daddy isn't real sort of stuff.

00:35:54.020 So, you know, there's just a lot of assumptions there that kind of need to be interrogated. 0.93

00:35:57.540 Yeah, well, I mean, I think what needs to be interrogated is the fact that you asked me, well, what do I do if a group of people likes to murder, rape, and kill others?

00:36:06.200 What if God said that?

00:36:08.740 You know, I think that's a question that we need to ask.

00:36:10.720 Then we would have to do it.

00:36:11.760 Wait, wait, really? 1.00

00:36:12.640 If God told you to rape and kill a baby, would you do it? 1.00

00:36:16.120 Well, God would never do that because God is good and those things are evil. 1.00

00:36:19.300 Okay, so raping and killing is evil.

00:36:21.160 So when he commanded people to kill the babies in Malachi in 1 Samuel 15.3, that was evil? 0.99

00:36:25.440 God is telling us to rape and kill babies right now? 0.99

00:36:29.000 So specifically about killing, in 1 Samuel 15.3, he did command Saul and his men to kill the Malachi babies. 1.00

00:36:34.300 Rape babies? He told them to rape babies? 1.00

00:36:36.700 No, to kill babies. 1.00

00:36:38.200 Well, yeah, then if I were one of those guys, I would have done it, but not rape them. 1.00

00:36:41.820 Okay, so if God commanded you to kill a baby today, would you do it? 1.00

00:36:44.980 Yes. 1.00

00:36:46.380 Okay, so why would you kill a baby, but you wouldn't rape a baby? 0.99

00:36:49.880 Because that would be cruel or something. 1.00

00:36:52.660 Wait, is killing a baby not cruel?

00:36:55.240 In the Old Testament, it worked differently.

00:36:57.620 No, I'm talking about you said—

00:36:58.700 That's a fallen world. 1.00

00:36:59.200 You particularly said that you would kill a baby today if God asked you, but you wouldn't rape a baby if God asked you. 1.00

00:37:05.940 So how come you'd kill a baby today but not rape a baby? 0.99

00:37:08.540 Because the context of the Old Testament is that it's a fallen world, and that's the context you're talking about. 0.99

00:37:13.580 You said that in the Old Testament—

00:37:16.220 Dude, we're not talking about this.

00:37:17.140 Dude, please answer my question.

00:37:18.140 We literally are. 0.99

00:37:19.100 This is a damn non-answer. 0.99

00:37:19.740 You told me today— 0.99

00:37:20.900 Wait, wait, wait.

00:37:21.460 If we're not talking about the Old Testament, what are we talking about? 0.99

00:37:23.740 About the fact that you told me today if God commanded you to kill a baby, you would do it, and then I followed that up by asking you, if God commanded you to rape a baby, would you do it? 0.99

00:37:33.100 And you said no, because it's evil. 0.99

00:37:35.140 Okay, so killing a baby today, you would do if God commanded it, but raping a baby today, you wouldn't do because God wouldn't command it because it's evil. 0.99

00:37:41.460 Well, first of all— 0.99

00:37:42.480 Are you making the implication that killing a baby today is an evil?

00:37:45.700 No.

00:37:46.140 What you said is that in the Old Testament—

00:37:47.580 Okay, so then you wouldn't do that either, right?

00:37:48.860 Well, hang on.

00:37:49.360 It's seemingly a contradiction.

00:37:50.000 Let's rewind. 0.99

00:37:50.400 Let's rewind because you said in the Bible God says to rape babies. 0.99

00:37:53.680 Can you just retract that? 1.00

00:37:54.660 No, I said kill babies. 1.00

00:37:54.960 Because that never happened. 0.99

00:37:55.580 No, if you rewind—

00:37:57.020 Yeah, okay.

00:37:57.600 People can rewind the clip. 1.00

00:37:59.380 You said kill and rape babies because you got to— 1.00

00:38:01.300 And rape people because you got a little ahead of yourself. 1.00

00:38:03.780 Because you got a little ahead of yourself. 0.99

00:38:05.200 That never happened. 0.55

00:38:05.760 If you really clear this up so easily, if I said God commanded Saul and his men to rape babies in 1 Samuel 15.3, I misspoke. 0.97

00:38:13.580 In 1 Samuel 15.3, God commands Saul and his men to kill babies. 0.56

00:38:17.200 But you are not answering my question. 0.99

00:38:18.520 This is a damn non-answer. 0.98

00:38:19.400 I am. 1.00

00:38:19.420 I am. 0.99

00:38:19.840 Every single person watching this stream can see that you said if God commanded you to kill a baby today, you said you would do it. 0.97

00:38:26.780 Can you affirm that? 0.94

00:38:27.180 Can we be serious?

00:38:28.060 Can we be serious for a second?

00:38:29.220 We are being dead serious. 0.99

00:38:30.140 Can you affirm the fact that you said if God told you to kill a baby, you'd do it? 0.99

00:38:32.620 Can we be serious? 0.98

00:38:33.460 Can we grow up?

00:38:34.420 Why won't you answer my question?

00:38:35.940 Well, because we're talking about the Old Testament, are we not?

00:38:38.860 Dude, we're talking about today.

00:38:40.020 How many times do I need to say that?

00:38:41.580 You're talking about the Old Testament.

00:38:43.140 You're citing the Old Testament.

00:38:44.340 You're talking about a specific verse in the Old Testament.

00:38:46.980 Oh my God, this is crazy.

00:38:47.960 Look, you can giggle.

00:38:49.120 Can we confirm that we're talking about the Old Testament?

00:38:52.320 Is that correct?

00:38:53.460 What are we talking about?

00:38:55.020 Exactly.

00:38:55.480 I'll tell you exactly what we're talking about.

00:38:57.180 We are talking about the fact that I asked you a damning hypothetical question.

00:39:00.820 I asked you.

00:39:01.540 It's not.

00:39:02.200 It's a cheap context.

00:39:04.500 No, no.

00:39:05.140 You're interrupting me because you don't want me to talk because you know that you're losing.

00:39:08.500 Yeah, because the Old Testament says bad things in it.

00:39:11.400 I know.

00:39:11.880 I'm a new atheist and I just discovered.

00:39:14.580 Here's my answer to your question, if you'll allow me to answer it.

00:39:17.120 I know you want a cheap gotcha question, but let's add a little context.

00:39:21.420 The Old Testament takes place in a fallen world.

00:39:24.080 We live in a fallen world because we have free will.

00:39:26.980 Okay.

00:39:27.340 God created human beings.

00:39:28.760 Human beings disobeyed God and sinned. 0.99

00:39:31.140 Because we disobeyed God and sinned, we have the penalty of death, war, shame, guilt, pain at birth, all these things.

00:39:39.000 In the fallen world, people kill.

00:39:42.440 In the fallen world, people kill.

00:39:44.220 People lie, cheat, steal.

00:39:46.240 Cain kills Abel.

00:39:47.960 In the world, the fallen world, before Jesus Christ arrived, it was a world with slavery and warfare and iniquity.

00:39:56.100 It is in this context that God commanded the chosen people to kill certain tribes, to establish their survival, to secure a line for the coming of the Messiah. 0.91

00:40:08.140 God does not approve of killing because it says in the Ten Commandments, thou shalt not kill.

00:40:12.720 God does not approve of rape because it says thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife and so on and so forth. 0.77

00:40:19.100 So God obviously does not support killing, raping. 1.00

00:40:22.920 Would you kill and rape a baby? 1.00

00:40:24.620 No. 0.99

00:40:24.920 But in the Bible, God prescribes laws and specific actions at the beginning of the world, which was fallen without Christ, without a Savior in sin, for the survival of the chosen people.

00:40:38.520 So the rules worked a little bit differently in the Old Testament.

00:40:42.040 It doesn't mean that—and of course, taking a life in and of itself—hang on.

00:40:48.060 There's a difference everybody knows between killing and murder.

00:40:50.780 If I go and murder you for no reason, that's immoral.

00:40:53.420 If I kill in self-defense or self-defense of my children, it's a different story.

00:40:58.020 God commanding the people of the Old Testament is an extraordinary exception based on the fallen old world.

00:41:04.340 That's one.

00:41:04.960 Two, when Jesus Christ arrives, he fulfills the law and saves people from hell.

00:41:11.120 Before Jesus Christ arrived, nobody could even go to heaven, and it was a world of iniquity.

00:41:15.560 And Jesus Christ changed and created this modern world that we're living in.

00:41:18.700 So, now, here's the thing.

00:41:20.840 God is the authority.

00:41:22.400 If God commands us to—look, I know it's a complicated issue.

00:41:25.540 You can't fit into a TikTok where you do the destiny drive-by.

00:41:28.300 You know, but it's actually a complicated issue where you're talking about evil, the existence of evil.

00:41:35.380 So, does that mean that God is not an authority?

00:41:39.060 Of course not.

00:41:40.080 God is an authority.

00:41:41.060 Would God command us to do those things today?

00:41:43.400 Probably not.

00:41:44.140 But if he did, in a hypothetical scenario, we'd have to trust God if we truly believe in God.

00:41:48.620 Otherwise, you would say something like, we know more than God, or God is not good, or we're better than God.

00:41:53.780 And that negates the concept of a God or good itself.

00:41:57.240 So, that's my answer to your, oh, so when you say killing babies, there's—it ties into, like, abortion policy. 1.00

00:42:04.180 It's just, like, cheap, low IQ, left-wing bullshit. 1.00

00:42:07.100 But anyway, go ahead. 1.00

00:42:09.140 Cool.

00:42:09.660 Thank you.

00:42:10.100 So, I hear everything that you just said.

00:42:11.780 I will give that a great response.

00:42:13.880 I sure did.

00:42:14.980 But before I give that a response, I wanted to take a brief moment to go back to the question that I was attempting to get you to answer prior.

00:42:21.660 I understand that you just kind of gave me the story of the Old and New Covenant.

00:42:25.060 We had different rules before, you know, the Messiah came back down, created the New Covenant, whatever.

00:42:28.680 I get it.

00:42:29.080 Thank you.

00:42:29.800 Okay? 1.00

00:42:30.240 But the question that I asked you was, if God commanded you to kill a baby, would you do it? 0.99

00:42:35.060 You said yes. 1.00

00:42:36.080 I then asked you, Nick Fuentes, if God commanded you to rape a baby, would you do it? 0.99

00:42:40.820 And you said, no, that's too cruel. 0.99

00:42:42.580 If you'd like to take 15 seconds to kind of clear up that gap, like, does that make the implication that killing a baby isn't cruel?

00:42:48.380 I answered the question.

00:42:49.380 I answered the question.

00:42:50.240 I, you didn't.

00:42:52.840 Okay.

00:42:53.460 Is this a debate about Christian nationalism or is this like a weird new atheist?

00:42:58.220 By the way, why do you think killing is wrong?

00:43:00.340 Where do you get that information from?

00:43:02.260 So, first of all, I don't think that killing is inherently wrong.

00:43:04.580 I think that murder is wrong.

00:43:05.920 Okay.

00:43:06.120 Okay.

00:43:06.720 So you agree with me then?

00:43:08.880 Right.

00:43:09.140 And then what I'd say here about murder is that's just going to be driven given my intuitions.

00:43:12.880 I'm a subjectivist.

00:43:13.580 We all know this, but I think you are too.

00:43:15.180 What do you agree with me?

00:43:16.300 You're a subjectivist.

00:43:16.660 Would you agree with me that objectivism can be defined as like a stance independent, like, truth?

00:43:21.240 Uh, it's an independent truth?

00:43:25.360 What did you say?

00:43:25.940 I didn't hear you.

00:43:26.720 Like, a stance independent truth.

00:43:28.360 That's what it means for somebody.

00:43:29.400 A stance independent truth?

00:43:31.580 Yeah.

00:43:33.280 Of independent truth or that there is independent truth?

00:43:36.720 Okay.

00:43:37.220 Wow.

00:43:37.420 A stance construction doesn't make sense.

00:43:39.880 Okay.

00:43:40.260 So, like, in, like, philosophy, right, when we're referencing terms such as moral objectivism or moral subjectivism, we define objectivism given, like, when I say murder is wrong, that is true, independent of any stance, of any act, or of any mind.

00:43:51.640 Okay?

00:43:51.900 When I say something that's objective is true.

00:43:52.380 Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying.

00:43:53.620 I don't understand the construction.

00:43:55.860 I'm not, you're, you're, like, mumbling to yourself.

00:43:58.060 Yeah, I believe, yeah, subjectivism is that there's an independent truth.

00:44:00.900 Yes.

00:44:01.620 Okay.

00:44:01.920 So, is moral, is morality independent of God?

00:44:05.180 No.

00:44:05.760 No, because God is morality.

00:44:07.140 God is good.

00:44:07.860 So, morality is subject to God.

00:44:11.480 Okay.

00:44:12.160 Could God create a box so heavy he couldn't lift it?

00:44:15.300 Yeah, that's great.

00:44:16.640 So, if you believe that killing is not.

00:44:18.360 That would be a contradiction.

00:44:18.940 I didn't give you a contradiction.

00:44:20.160 I just showed you that you're a moral subjectivist.

00:44:22.120 I know.

00:44:22.620 Thank you.

00:44:23.980 So, where do you believe that killing is wrong, then?

00:44:28.480 So, you believe it's subjective.

00:44:29.980 You don't believe it's absolutely wrong.

00:44:32.020 Ten minutes.

00:44:32.620 All right.

00:44:33.420 Oh, what's that?

00:44:34.220 Oh, what's that, Aiden?

00:44:35.120 Ten minutes, guys.

00:44:36.860 Great.

00:44:37.240 Yeah.

00:44:37.520 So, I mean, I could kind of give you a little bit of an overview of my stance here on morality.

00:44:44.080 So, metaethically, you know, I'm just going to be a subjectivist, a relativist, when we

00:44:47.100 like to, when we like to reference, like, why I think things are wrong.

00:44:50.340 It's just going to be, like, given driven my intuitions.

00:44:53.280 I mean, like, we could talk about different moral frameworks.

00:44:55.240 I, myself, am what is called a threshold deontologist, meaning that I believe that, like, particular

00:45:00.020 things can be always wrong, but meanwhile, we should consider, like, the consequences of

00:45:03.280 others.

00:45:03.780 It's pretty interesting.

00:45:05.160 Is the Holocaust wrong? 0.98

00:45:06.660 Yeah, the Holocaust was wrong. 0.93

00:45:08.100 Objectively?

00:45:09.360 No, because some objective truths in the context of morality doesn't exist.

00:45:12.800 Nothing's objective.

00:45:13.200 In your opinion, it's wrong.

00:45:13.980 Because that standard doesn't exist.

00:45:15.200 In your opinion, it's wrong.

00:45:16.920 In accordance with my index standard, it's wrong.

00:45:19.480 Yeah.

00:45:19.820 But, I mean, just saying, oh, you believe in subjectivism, but I'm going to, like, counter

00:45:24.300 that by asking you, is it objectively wrong?

00:45:26.240 That doesn't really achieve anything.

00:45:27.400 I could literally ask this question to you.

00:45:28.400 What is your qualification?

00:45:29.700 Was the Holocaust objectively wrong? 0.98

00:45:31.140 Of course it was wrong.

00:45:32.140 Of course it was objectively wrong.

00:45:32.860 But you just agreed with me that morality is subject to God.

00:45:35.880 Because morality is God.

00:45:37.620 It's identity, not subjectivity.

00:45:39.400 Wait, wait, God is identical to morality?

00:45:41.380 Yes, God is good.

00:45:42.640 God is the good.

00:45:43.940 Okay, so when I say that, like, hugging your mom is good, I'm just saying that hugging

00:45:46.880 your mom is God?

00:45:48.180 Yes.

00:45:49.440 Okay, so can you just say that for me?

00:45:51.320 Like, every single time you kiss your wife, that's a really God thing to do?

00:45:56.400 Love is good.

00:45:58.660 An act of love that expresses love is good.

00:46:01.560 God is the good.

00:46:03.420 God is being itself.

00:46:05.820 We are participating in being.

00:46:08.520 Oh, wait, now we have some more issues here. 0.99

00:46:09.940 Because earlier you told me that God would never command you to, like, rape a baby because 0.99

00:46:13.680 that's evil. 0.69

00:46:14.260 But now you're saying that God is identical to goodness.

00:46:16.860 Meaning, if God is all-powerful in the sense that he could do anything that's logically possible, 0.99

00:46:21.320 and he's identical to goodness, why wouldn't he be able to tell you to rape a baby? 0.99

00:46:26.140 Did you say grape? 0.99

00:46:27.420 I did.

00:46:27.860 TikTok words.

00:46:28.660 I know.

00:46:29.300 I know.

00:46:30.680 Well, God also tells us that God's plan is very complex.

00:46:34.960 Why won't you answer my question?

00:46:37.400 Because these are just, like, low IQ.

00:46:39.760 No, that's not a low IQ point at all.

00:46:41.360 It is.

00:46:41.420 We're literally talking about what you think goodness is, what its derivative, and how

00:46:44.840 it would apply to your God.

00:46:45.940 Actually, we could extrapolate this out to the problem of evil as a whole, right?

00:46:49.000 Like, you actually said earlier that you think that the Holocaust is objectively wrong.

00:46:52.720 Would you say all these can-

00:46:53.920 If it happened.

00:46:53.980 If it happened at all, by the way.

00:46:55.700 But yeah.

00:46:56.220 Let's theoretically- 0.99

00:46:57.180 What the fuck? 0.99

00:46:57.920 In theory. 1.00

00:46:58.600 Hey.

00:46:59.100 Come on, man.

00:47:00.680 Of course it happened.

00:47:01.880 Would you see what I'm talking about?

00:47:02.780 Yeah, dude, Nick. 1.00

00:47:03.740 What the fuck, bro? 0.99

00:47:06.020 Yeah, this guy's over here saying, if the Holocaust happened, but then he asked me if the Holocaust 1.00

00:47:11.180 is objectively wrong.

00:47:12.480 Get a load of this joker. 0.99

00:47:13.640 So I just want to ask you a fucking quick question. 0.99

00:47:15.100 Get a load of this joker. 0.99

00:47:16.840 Oh, yeah.

00:47:17.300 Get a load of this joker.

00:47:17.820 That's not another joke.

00:47:19.220 What do you get?

00:47:20.560 You need to-

00:47:21.280 Get a load of this.

00:47:23.300 You want to tell me another joke?

00:47:24.660 Keep talking.

00:47:25.160 I'm going to go ahead and ask you a question.

00:47:26.360 That's very good.

00:47:26.440 Would you say all things considered that the Holocaust is wrong? 0.87

00:47:30.780 If it were real, yes.

00:47:32.260 Yeah, absolutely.

00:47:32.640 Oh, my God.

00:47:32.860 And it is.

00:47:33.960 And it absolutely is. 1.00

00:47:34.460 You're so fucking spineless. 1.00

00:47:36.400 How the fuck can you sit in front of 45,000 people and say that the most- 1.00

00:47:41.120 Oh, man. 0.99

00:47:41.620 The most documented thing that has ever happened in history might not have happened.

00:47:45.160 I want to ask you a question. 0.97

00:47:46.280 How the fuck do you know that Jesus resurrected from the dead, but you don't know if the Holocaust 0.99

00:47:50.180 happened? 0.98

00:47:51.160 Please answer that question.

00:47:52.480 Shroud of Torin.

00:47:53.420 Shroud of Torin.

00:47:54.080 The Shroud of Torin is a more reliable standard for evidence than the 250 independent sources

00:48:00.600 that would justify that the Holocaust exists? 0.79

00:48:02.820 Listen, this isn't a Holocaust debate.

00:48:04.520 Let's try to stay focused.

00:48:05.820 This is a Christianity debate.

00:48:07.220 No, let's talk about it.

00:48:08.160 The Shroud of Torin specifically, we had four different group of scientists take different

00:48:12.360 parts of it.

00:48:12.900 I'm saying six million is a lot.

00:48:13.920 None of them could date it back to anything after 400 years AD.

00:48:17.460 I'm just saying it's a lot of people.

00:48:19.280 No, no. 0.99

00:48:19.580 I want you to tell me how the fuck you know that Jesus rose from the dead with a lack of 0.99

00:48:24.460 any historical evidence that exists from his lifetime, from a first-person experience. 0.99

00:48:29.380 Calm down.

00:48:29.820 This is a factual debate.

00:48:31.720 This is a factual debate, Kamala.

00:48:34.040 Tampon, Tim.

00:48:35.140 Hey, listen, Tampon, Tim, this is about facts.

00:48:38.000 One, Shroud of Torin.

00:48:40.000 Impossible to create other than with Jesus ascending into heaven.

00:48:44.260 That's one.

00:48:45.020 Two, all I'm saying is, all I'm saying is, that's a lot of people.

00:48:49.780 Bodies, unless we forgot the technology to cremate them.

00:48:53.860 Look, I don't know.

00:48:54.920 I wasn't there.

00:48:55.920 And you weren't either.

00:48:56.900 The Shroud of Torin.

00:48:57.420 Wait, wait.

00:48:57.980 So you're telling me that it was absolutely impossible for some random.

00:49:02.340 Impossible for the Shroud of Torin to exist?

00:49:04.340 Then please tell me why.

00:49:04.800 Oh, you don't know the facts.

00:49:05.760 Then please tell me why.

00:49:06.620 You don't know the facts.

00:49:07.140 Tell me why the earliest carbon dating on the Shroud of Torin that we've gotten from the

00:49:10.560 material used to create the Shroud of Torin is like from 1200 AD.

00:49:15.280 That's not true.

00:49:16.360 That's not even true.

00:49:17.040 It's either 400 or 1200 AD.

00:49:18.120 You can fact check that.

00:49:19.060 That's not even true.

00:49:19.900 They just did a new study on it, and they proved it's 100% real.

00:49:22.820 They proved it's 100% real.

00:49:24.680 It's 100%.

00:49:25.440 It's like super real.

00:49:28.100 That's one.

00:49:29.120 Two, we have secular historians that testify that Jesus was a real person and was crucified.

00:49:35.380 Josephus, Tacitus.

00:49:36.800 Wait, Josephus isn't secular.

00:49:38.860 Let's get our facts straight.

00:49:39.980 He was a Jewish historian.

00:49:41.000 He was Jewish.

00:49:41.540 Okay, he was Jewish.

00:49:42.540 I mean non-Christian. 0.99

00:49:43.600 Thank you for the clarification.

00:49:45.160 Are we good?

00:49:45.580 Are we secular mean non-Christian?

00:49:47.000 Are we good?

00:49:47.620 You know what I meant.

00:49:48.400 I mean, if you were to say that a Christian source is biased, then arguably a non-Christian

00:49:52.980 source would be unbiased.

00:49:54.260 That's the point.

00:49:55.360 Josephus, Tacitus.

00:49:56.760 But you also have the earliest versions of the gospel stories going back to the first

00:50:00.580 century.

00:50:01.320 The earliest fragments of it go back to the first century.

00:50:04.100 And you have people that went to their death.

00:50:06.700 That's part of why Christianity spread.

00:50:08.700 They went to their death.

00:50:09.760 The Christians were martyred, testifying that they saw a resurrected Jesus. 0.61

00:50:14.360 Liars don't go to their death testifying that something happened if it didn't.

00:50:17.900 Certainly not, excuse me, 11 out of 12 of them or every single one of them.

00:50:22.440 And that is the basis of how it spread in the ancient world.

00:50:26.420 So, I mean, there's that.

00:50:28.320 There's the Shroud of Turin.

00:50:29.600 There's non-Christian historians.

00:50:31.800 There's the fragments of the gospel. 1.00

00:50:33.820 Yeah, so the Shroud of Turin, that shit just goes straight out the fucking window. 0.99

00:50:40.900 We have carbon dated it. 0.99

00:50:42.200 Not a piece of it dates back to when Jesus was alive in accordance with Josephus and Tacitus,

00:50:47.020 which you reported.

00:50:47.840 Carbon dating is flawed.

00:50:49.500 Oh, okay.

00:50:50.260 Carbon dating is flawed.

00:50:51.040 And that's not true.

00:50:52.120 It's earlier than it is, but we just don't know it.

00:50:53.740 And that's not true.

00:50:54.720 Well, one, it's not real because carbon dating says it like dinosaurs.

00:50:58.340 And how do we know that it was from Jesus?

00:50:59.820 And two, there was a recent study done.

00:51:02.060 Two, there was a recent study that was done that showed that it literally would not even

00:51:07.340 be possible using the technology at the time to create a forgery.

00:51:12.060 So, it had to have been created by something with luminosity that just didn't exist back

00:51:17.600 then for it to imprint throughout the entire Shroud.

00:51:20.820 They didn't have that kind of technology back then.

00:51:22.460 Wait, I have a question.

00:51:23.040 It's impossible to create it any other way.

00:51:24.780 Do you mind if I ask you a question here?

00:51:26.220 Okay, so I like this argument.

00:51:27.820 Let's just go ahead and say that you're right.

00:51:29.300 It was impossible to create without some sort of divinity.

00:51:32.200 Jesus Christ is a prophet of the Islamic religion.

00:51:36.520 Can you please give me any reason to believe that Christianity is true more so than Islam 1.00

00:51:42.040 being true? 1.00

00:51:42.840 That's just a stupid question. 1.00

00:51:44.400 Because luminosity could be granted either Islam being true or Christianity being true? 1.00

00:51:49.940 Let me ask you this question.

00:51:50.800 Do you know what Muslims believe about Jesus Christ and the crucifixion?

00:51:54.060 Can you tell me?

00:51:54.360 He was a prophet of God.

00:51:55.160 He didn't actually die on the cross.

00:51:56.880 Someone else stepped in his shoes.

00:51:58.600 Oh, oh.

00:52:00.480 So, what was the Shroud of Turin?

00:52:01.820 Do you know?

00:52:02.840 Oh, it was over him in the burial.

00:52:05.040 Ah, so how would we know Islam isn't true? 1.00

00:52:08.880 Well, let's see if he wasn't actually crucified, then how would they lay the Shroud over his

00:52:14.300 body and his soul leave to make the imprint?

00:52:17.360 So it doesn't, you don't even know what you're talking about.

00:52:18.980 I mean, no, you don't know what you're talking about.

00:52:20.320 Because given the Islamic religion. 1.00

00:52:21.240 Trying to work it out on the fly, doesn't even know, doesn't even know the order of,

00:52:24.720 how could the Muslim Jesus leave the Shroud of Turin imprint if he was never crucified 0.95

00:52:30.160 and then therefore resurrected?

00:52:30.700 Yeah, because what did they say about the person that was crucified?

00:52:32.720 Hello?

00:52:33.760 What did they say about the person that was crucified?

00:52:35.360 Who did he look like?

00:52:36.980 Who did he present as?

00:52:37.840 Who did he present as?

00:52:38.880 But he wasn't Jesus.

00:52:40.100 So he wouldn't have ascended into heaven and left the luminosity.

00:52:42.740 It would be, it was a lookalike.

00:52:44.600 Oh, that's terrible.

00:52:45.580 Yeah, you can say that, but you don't know what you're talking about.

00:52:48.280 Oh, wait, I don't know.

00:52:49.160 Normal, hey, normal people, they said it was a body double.

00:52:53.080 Someone who looked like Jesus.

00:52:54.360 Normal people don't leave a luminous imprint on the Shroud they put on them at the point

00:52:59.380 of death.

00:53:00.080 So the lookalike wouldn't have done that.

00:53:01.500 Wait, I'm just curious.

00:53:02.420 Can you give me the study?

00:53:04.220 I don't know the name of it off the top of my head, but it was recently completed.

00:53:07.420 Sure, I would love to.

00:53:08.360 You should investigate it.

00:53:09.420 You'd probably become a Christian if you're being objective. 0.93

00:53:11.480 Hey, guys, let's do it.

00:53:13.080 Hey, real quick, real quick.

00:53:15.200 Let's do a two minute closing statement.

00:53:16.620 We're going to start with you, Nick.

00:53:17.960 We're going to get on to the next topic.

00:53:19.040 Go ahead.

00:53:20.420 Sure.

00:53:20.700 So, I mean, the good news is we just had a platform to demonstrate the historicity of

00:53:25.680 the resurrection of Jesus.

00:53:26.820 You do have real archaeological evidence like the Shroud of Torin.

00:53:31.360 You have the Gospels.

00:53:32.340 You have the secular historians.

00:53:33.880 No serious historian would testify that Jesus wasn't real or didn't live or wasn't crucified.

00:53:38.060 And if Christianity is read throughout the Roman Empire, it's because of the well-documented

00:53:42.180 martyrdom of the disciples of the early church.

00:53:46.120 If you would go to your death testifying that something, a lie or a fabrication didn't happen,

00:53:52.100 you know, then maybe you believe they all faked it.

00:53:53.900 I think that you go to your death only if you saw something true.

00:53:56.760 And even still, people won't tell the truth if they're afraid of the mafia.

00:54:00.920 You would only go to your death telling the truth if it was God in the flesh.

00:54:05.020 So I think that's just all obvious.

00:54:07.420 With all that being said, we should have a Catholic government.

00:54:09.820 We all have a conscience.

00:54:11.340 The moral law comes from God.

00:54:13.000 It's also written on our hearts, and we know it.

00:54:14.940 And that's where our intuition comes from, the subjective idea that we get from rationality

00:54:20.760 or empiricism that murder is wrong, that rape is wrong, the same objections agnostics 0.96

00:54:25.840 and atheists raise against the Bible.

00:54:27.380 You know, and the thing is about the Old Testament, if people are turned off by that,

00:54:32.220 it really just amounts to the problem of evil itself.

00:54:35.000 Evil exists in the world that was created by a good God.

00:54:38.240 This is answered by the philosophical concept of the privation of evil.

00:54:42.500 Prior to the coming of Jesus Christ, it was a world without the good, and therefore it was evil.

00:54:48.500 And thus there was no mercy, compassion, those sorts of things.

00:54:51.920 But it's a very complicated topic.

00:54:53.640 I hope people aren't turned off when they hear, you know, bad things happen in the ancient world.

00:54:58.320 Therefore, there can be no God.

00:54:59.840 It's obviously false.

00:55:01.540 So anyway, so that's just the long and short of the whole Christian debate distilled.

00:55:06.040 Yeah, sure.

00:55:06.960 So I'll go ahead and give my closing statement.

00:55:08.400 Go ahead.

00:55:08.780 Yeah, go ahead, dude.

00:55:10.020 First about the Shroud of Turin, anyone watching, feel free to look up any of the multiple groups

00:55:15.080 of scientists that have dated the Shroud of Turin.

00:55:17.100 And not a single one of them have been able to place a date on the Shroud of Turin from

00:55:21.080 a point when Jesus was alive.

00:55:23.020 So that's automatically thrown out of the window.

00:55:25.780 About Nick's second point there, specifically about the people that went to their deaths

00:55:29.480 after seeing the quote-unquote resurrected Jesus.

00:55:32.100 This is something we see in all religions.

00:55:34.240 I want you to go ahead and look up Prophet Muhammad's grandson in the context of the Islamic

00:55:38.300 religion.

00:55:39.160 He was martyred because of his beliefs in his grandfather being a prophet of God.

00:55:43.160 That's present always.

00:55:44.280 If this makes a religion true, all religions would be true. 0.71

00:55:47.700 About your third point about the historicity of Jesus Christ, we have no first-hand accounts

00:55:51.760 about Jesus Christ or his life.

00:55:53.140 I do think that he was a real man that lived and died via a crucifixion.

00:55:58.200 But Josephus, Tacitus, all these people came long after he died.

00:56:02.240 And I think it's crazy that you're going to sit here and say that we have sufficient historical

00:56:05.740 evidence to justify that Jesus Christ died and resurrected from the dead, but we don't

00:56:09.740 have historical evidence to justify that the Holocaust happened and six million Jewish

00:56:13.360 people died.

00:56:14.180 I can give you a source right now that six million people did die.

00:56:17.080 In fact, I could give you 200.

00:56:18.760 For everyone watching, look up holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com.

00:56:22.680 It will give you an index to publish evidence on mass extermination in Auschwitz in Germany.

00:56:28.340 There will be over 200 sources there.

00:56:30.520 Much more abundant evidence than what he could ever give for the existence of Jesus Christ and

00:56:35.500 the idea that he's our God.

00:56:36.880 So already contradictory there.

00:56:38.500 And about the last point about the problem of evil, you said that the privation of evil

00:56:42.360 was the fact that there wasn't a lot of good before Jesus came.

00:56:45.240 No, the privation of evil is an ontological statement of evil.

00:56:48.860 Okay?

00:56:49.300 So you don't know what your philosophical terms mean.

00:56:51.840 You're also confusing what the problem of evil is.

00:56:54.660 Okay?

00:56:55.240 Right?

00:56:55.560 I would say my problem of evil would be the fact that God's all perfect and God's all

00:57:01.200 powerful and nothing evil should exist in the world that we live in.

00:57:04.280 I wish that we could have a longer discussion about this, man. 0.98

00:57:06.320 Get into philosophy, show you that you don't know shit, but I guess we're going to move 0.98

00:57:09.420 on to the next topic. 0.96

00:57:11.000 Thank you, guys.

00:57:11.960 All right.

00:57:12.780 We're going to do topic number three.

00:57:15.120 Is homosexuality bad? 1.00

00:57:17.860 And we'll start with Dean again.

00:57:20.140 I'll give you a three-minute intro.

00:57:21.900 Same thing in the next three-minute.

00:57:22.780 And then I like the free phone.

00:57:23.820 It's been good so far.

00:57:25.900 I probably won't need all...

00:57:27.560 Go ahead, Dean.

00:57:31.580 All right, no worries.

00:57:32.540 Yeah.

00:57:33.020 So I probably won't need all three minutes.

00:57:34.340 It'll be pretty easy.

00:57:35.000 I don't think that being gay is wrong because there's no good reason to believe that it 0.99

00:57:38.060 is wrong.

00:57:39.060 There are just multiple arguments that Nick could probably give me.

00:57:42.000 One would just be gay wrong because Sky Daddy says so in the Bible. 1.00

00:57:45.760 Another argument he could give me is something to do with telos, the natural function of our

00:57:49.040 bodies.

00:57:49.600 It would indicate that we have a prescriptive purpose on how we're supposed to use them.

00:57:52.320 That's not how we're supposed to use them.

00:57:53.660 I'd say that doesn't exist.

00:57:55.040 At the end of the day, my stance is clear.

00:57:56.940 Being gay is not wrong because there's no reason for it to be wrong.

00:57:59.560 And I guess we'll just hear Nick's reason why it is wrong because that's probably where we're

00:58:02.940 going to start.

00:58:03.480 So I'll concede the rest of my time.

00:58:04.700 Take it away, Nick.

00:58:06.640 Yeah.

00:58:07.820 I love the Sky Daddy thing.

00:58:09.720 It's like the idea that there's a transcendent God.

00:58:12.240 You think there's a man in the clouds and I don't because I listen to science. 0.98

00:58:15.840 It's just like the most brain dead new atheist. 0.82

00:58:19.200 I'm surprised this stuff still exists. 1.00

00:58:21.260 Bro, you told me that you kill a baby if God told you to. 0.90

00:58:23.420 Hey, Dean, Dean, Dean.

00:58:24.340 He has three minutes that are up, Dean.

00:58:25.440 Dean, no more interruptions.

00:58:26.940 Yeah.

00:58:27.720 Silence.

00:58:28.600 Silence while I attack your position. 0.94

00:58:30.240 So here's the thing, OK, the homosexuality thing. 0.99

00:58:34.620 I mean, we could argue that the faculty of the reproductive organs is to have sex. 0.97

00:58:41.020 The purpose of them is to have sex. 0.95

00:58:42.820 We have sexual organs to have sex, and sex is for the purpose of insemination, procreation. 0.99

00:58:48.280 It's what it is.

00:58:48.980 It's not – we can't get too creative.

00:58:51.080 It always ends the same way, and it's made for one purpose.

00:58:53.900 We could argue that there is a prohibition of it in the Catholic catechism and in the

00:58:59.460 Bible, but I don't even think we need to go that far.

00:59:03.760 It's really a question of whether we think people can do whatever they want, and this

00:59:08.280 gets back to morality.

00:59:09.660 If your conception of morality comes from a vague idea of empathy or do no harm, against

00:59:17.680 harm, then you would say there's nothing necessarily wrong with suicide, drug abuse, homosexuality, 1.00

00:59:25.320 gluttony, laziness, all kinds of other behaviors because people say we own our bodies, we can

00:59:31.960 make decisions, we're empowered, and we can kind of do whatever we want as long as we don't

00:59:37.180 interfere with other people, as long as there's not an imposition on other people.

00:59:40.420 That's really the fundamental premise.

00:59:42.100 I reject that premise.

00:59:44.100 I think that because we're created beings, we're created with a sense of dignity.

00:59:49.420 Our souls and our bodies are connected, and God wants us to be dignified, and I think we

00:59:54.760 all recognize that there are things that are dignified and things that are undignified.

00:59:58.620 It's undignified to be an addict.

01:00:01.720 It's undignified to be lazy. 1.00

01:00:03.880 It's undignified to undergo a transgender surgery. 1.00

01:00:08.020 It's undignified to do plastic surgery. 1.00

01:00:10.320 And yes, it is undignified to engage in sodomy. 0.98

01:00:14.500 What is it? 0.98

01:00:15.040 One minute?

01:00:16.500 Yeah, one minute. 0.57

01:00:17.780 So sodomy is something that is violent. 0.98

01:00:21.580 It's filthy. 0.99

01:00:22.840 It's undignified. 0.91

01:00:24.400 And I think it's a travesty.

01:00:25.800 It's such an unfortunate thing.

01:00:27.680 People celebrate it to wave these flags, but they're waving a flag of really a filthy

01:00:32.660 and violent and gross act that I think anybody has a natural sense of morality would reject

01:00:38.640 it.

01:00:38.860 Um, so I mean, I just think it's disgusting and things that are disgusting are probably

01:00:43.460 wrong. 0.94

01:00:44.700 Okay, your argument, it's disgusting. 0.51

01:00:46.620 Therefore, it's wrong.

01:00:47.560 Hey, Nick, got a question. 1.00

01:00:48.920 Is shitting disgusting? 1.00

01:00:51.460 Uh, no. 1.00

01:00:53.180 Shitting is wrong. 0.99

01:00:55.240 Good point. 0.99

01:00:55.800 That's a good point.

01:01:00.400 That's the argument you get.

01:01:01.320 I never thought of it that way.

01:01:02.840 You said you said it's disgusting.

01:01:04.700 Therefore, it's wrong.

01:01:05.820 Yeah. 1.00

01:01:06.060 Shit. 1.00

01:01:06.420 Shitting. 1.00

01:01:06.840 That's pretty gross. 1.00

01:01:07.340 It's a pretty good heuristic.

01:01:08.280 Yeah.

01:01:08.400 It's a pretty good.

01:01:09.620 Well, and look, that's the account.

01:01:11.520 Well, if you want to, okay, if you want to talk about, it's literally so fucking simple. 0.58

01:01:15.480 Like, I mean, if your argument is, oh, this is aesthetically unpleasing. 0.97

01:01:18.300 Therefore, I find it disgusting.

01:01:19.680 Therefore, I'm going to describe it as being morally wrong. 0.86

01:01:21.560 This is just like so low IQ.

01:01:23.320 Do you mind?

01:01:23.680 No, it's not low IQ.

01:01:24.740 Go ahead.

01:01:25.120 Yeah, go ahead.

01:01:25.640 Explain, explain, explain your, uh, your syllogism.

01:01:28.860 Yeah, sure.

01:01:29.420 Uh, so anyways, here's my perspective.

01:01:31.700 Uh, you're just saying that you find it disgusting given your subjective mental states that lead

01:01:36.100 you to the conclusion that it is something that's non-aesthetic.

01:01:38.700 Uh, I think it's funny that you're giving me this argument when you've been chirping

01:01:41.880 down my throat for the last 30 minutes that we need to rely on some objective standard

01:01:45.960 to tell us what's right and wrong, even when we disagree.

01:01:48.400 But now you're like, oh, my mental states are not conducive towards me finding this to

01:01:52.760 be aesthetically pleasing.

01:01:53.820 Therefore, it's morally wrong.

01:01:55.320 Uh, it's, it's just a little bit, you know, out of reach for you.

01:01:58.480 Uh, but overwhelmingly, I don't even, I don't even know if I should give a dignified response

01:02:03.160 to what you just told me.

01:02:04.400 Uh, Nick just said, I don't like it.

01:02:06.120 Therefore it's wrong.

01:02:07.300 Uh, you also referenced a couple other things there about just engaging in dignified actions.

01:02:11.920 Once again, that's another, I don't like it.

01:02:14.340 Therefore it's wrong, right?

01:02:15.540 I can say that being Nick Fuentes and talking about how 6 million people didn't die at the 0.99

01:02:20.000 Holocaust and dignified and all of a sudden in my worldview, you're going to fucking 0.99

01:02:23.720 jail, right? 0.99

01:02:24.780 But I think that if you're going to make the argument that it's either wrong to be gay 0.97

01:02:29.120 or it's wrong to engage in same sex intercourse, you're going to have to give me a little bit

01:02:33.420 more reason than the fact that it doesn't align with what's aesthetically pleasing to

01:02:37.840 you. 0.94

01:02:38.100 Are you gay? 0.99

01:02:38.900 Let me, are you gay just to establish for the debate? 1.00

01:02:42.080 No, I'm straight. 0.93

01:02:43.000 Unlike you, I'm empathetic.

01:02:44.460 I'm able to place myself in other people's shoes and see the world from a perspective and

01:02:47.620 realize.

01:02:47.940 You empathize, you place yourself in gay people's shoes.

01:02:51.280 Yeah.

01:02:51.840 Yeah. 0.96

01:02:52.020 And I can see what it would be like to be gay. 1.00

01:02:54.920 No, I imagine what it would be like to be at the receiving end of your fucking end. 1.00

01:02:59.920 You empathize with the receiving end, huh? 0.99

01:03:02.920 What is that like? 0.96

01:03:03.740 I like the tyranny of you and the other like white Christians. 1.00

01:03:06.320 Oh, tyranny. 1.00

01:03:07.400 Gay so bad. 1.00

01:03:08.440 Therefore, we're going to persecute these people. 1.00

01:03:10.220 Therefore, you're empathizing with a gay man. 0.98

01:03:11.760 Are you?

01:03:12.200 Okay.

01:03:13.080 Interesting. 1.00

01:03:13.980 Do you, do you think about like gay sex? 0.99

01:03:15.920 Do you empathize with gay sex at all? 1.00

01:03:17.780 Why is it always the homosexual straight men that want to talk about gay sex? 1.00

01:03:21.360 It's a debate about, it's a debate about homosexuality. 0.98

01:03:24.140 Yeah, you're talking, but you're, you're getting a little bit too personal.

01:03:26.560 Nick, I have a girlfriend.

01:03:27.620 I'm sorry.

01:03:28.340 Okay.

01:03:28.840 I'm just asking.

01:03:30.380 I'm just asking.

01:03:31.660 I know.

01:03:33.300 I know.

01:03:33.680 I'm just asking.

01:03:34.620 One of the many, one of the many.

01:03:36.460 So here's the thing.

01:03:38.220 I didn't say if it's disgusting, it's wrong.

01:03:41.940 What I mean is it's a pretty good heuristic that something is discussed.

01:03:46.060 If something is found to be disgusting, it's probably wrong.

01:03:50.520 And here's, you brought up fecal matter. 0.99

01:03:52.300 You brought up, you said, shit, I'll say fecal matter. 1.00

01:03:54.760 I'll be polite. 1.00

01:03:56.300 Fecal matter is offensive to us.

01:03:59.100 It has a offensive odor.

01:04:01.220 It has an offensive look and so on.

01:04:03.400 Why is that?

01:04:04.760 Why do we find it disgusting?

01:04:06.120 Why are we repelled by it?

01:04:07.680 Because if we were to handle it and touch it, we would get sick and die.

01:04:11.960 If we were to eat it, we would get sick and die.

01:04:14.380 If we don't properly dispose of it, it would poison the community and we would die.

01:04:18.560 So the act of excreting waste is not an evil act, but fecal matter in itself, it disgusts

01:04:26.940 us on an instinctual basis for a very good reason.

01:04:31.360 Okay.

01:04:31.680 And that's why it's a heuristic.

01:04:33.100 And we find the same thing about surgery and blood.

01:04:36.860 And about snakes and about spiders.

01:04:40.140 There's a reason for that.

01:04:41.800 And the same thing is true about homosexuality. 0.91

01:04:44.460 Now, it's like, you look at the homosexual act, okay? 1.00

01:04:49.080 Do you mind if I respond to that?

01:04:50.740 Yeah, go ahead.

01:04:51.540 Sure.

01:04:52.360 Sure.

01:04:52.760 Yeah.

01:04:52.940 You're just further like, I look at it.

01:04:54.960 Further what?

01:04:55.720 You're just not hearing me.

01:04:57.320 So I am.

01:04:58.180 I am.

01:04:58.780 So this same intuition.

01:04:59.720 You're not empathizing.

01:05:00.440 The same intuition that you're describing to me and like the other how many people are

01:05:05.240 watching, I don't even know, is essentially that you have this innate driven cycle, a

01:05:09.680 psychological response that when you look at this, it's bad. 0.99

01:05:12.780 You kind of related this to looking at shit. 1.00

01:05:14.320 And because when you look at shit, it's bad, you know, that's like driven via the fact 1.00

01:05:18.340 that if you eat it, it could give you like bacteria, it can make you sick, whatever. 1.00

01:05:21.940 Okay.

01:05:22.320 But here's my point.

01:05:23.720 The same innate like prejudice driven response that you are holding towards gay people that

01:05:30.140 lead you to the conclusion that it's thereby wrong is the same innate driven prejudice response 0.98

01:05:35.480 from white supremacists towards black people.

01:05:37.780 So what would you say to a white supremacist giving you the same exact argument that you're 0.95

01:05:44.400 giving me about gay people, but about black people?

01:05:47.280 What if they made the argument that they just feel on some innate behavioral level that it 0.90

01:05:51.740 is just wrong to be black? 0.92

01:05:53.060 When I look at black people, I feel this way and that way, the same way that you're describing

01:05:56.600 to me right now.

01:05:57.680 And the reason that I think this point is so important to bring up here is, well, you're

01:06:02.800 just describing your prejudice.

01:06:04.140 Okay, well, I would say, first of all, I don't have a prejudice against gay people.

01:06:10.920 I really don't.

01:06:11.600 I'm describing the act.

01:06:13.260 I'm describing the act of what they're doing, which is filthy.

01:06:16.700 If you look at a guy walking down the street, for the most part, like, let's say it was a 0.99

01:06:21.700 guy wearing like guys clothes, but he was gay. 0.91

01:06:25.060 You wouldn't know he was gay and your disgust reflex wouldn't be triggered. 1.00

01:06:28.780 But when you think about sodomy, when you think about sodomy, which involves a whole host 0.99

01:06:35.060 of gross stuff, I mean, they have to take drugs to loosen their buttholes. 1.00

01:06:38.540 They have to flush out their buttholes of poo because the penis is going where poo is. 1.00

01:06:43.460 This is disgusting stuff. 1.00

01:06:45.100 And the idea of it's disgusting. 0.65

01:06:46.880 And it's the act which is disgusting.

01:06:48.620 So it's got nothing really to do with prejudice or anything like that.

01:06:51.720 It's that the act itself, I think, hang on, hang on, hang on.

01:06:55.020 And by the way, it's also universal.

01:06:57.120 It's universal and it's instinctual.

01:06:58.820 There was a study that was done, for example, that said that men who witnessed two gay men 0.89

01:07:03.180 kissing had the same disgust reflex as seeing maggots. 0.88

01:07:07.280 I'm sure you've heard of that.

01:07:08.760 Nick, I'm just trying to get you to recognize that.

01:07:10.980 Can you not interrupt me?

01:07:11.960 Why interrupt me every single time?

01:07:13.200 I'm trying to make a point here.

01:07:14.480 A white business owner in the 1960s would have said the same thing that you're saying about 0.52

01:07:18.940 gay people right now about black people going into their business. 0.80

01:07:22.420 I asked you a question. 0.86

01:07:23.380 The reason why I'm interrupting you here is because it's a false syllogism.

01:07:26.540 It's a false syllogism. 0.90

01:07:27.600 You're bringing in white supremacy to homosexuality is a behavior.

01:07:31.220 Can I tell you particularly? 0.96

01:07:33.100 No, homosexuality is not a behavior.

01:07:34.880 It is a behavior.

01:07:36.400 OK, so what do you say?

01:07:37.420 What is obviously homosexuality is a behavior. 0.97

01:07:40.680 It means if a man if a man is attracted to another man but never has sex, is he really

01:07:48.320 homosexual? 0.58

01:07:50.000 Oh, wait, I have a question. 0.86

01:07:51.500 Was Jesus straight?

01:07:52.360 I don't think he had a sexuality because he was God.

01:07:57.580 OK, so it's perfect not to be attracted to women because Jesus was perfect and he wasn't

01:08:01.040 attracted to women.

01:08:02.520 What are these false? 1.00

01:08:03.660 It's always just like bullshit. 0.99

01:08:05.520 I have a question. 1.00

01:08:06.580 You don't like gay people. 1.00

01:08:07.760 What about white people not liking black people? 0.98

01:08:10.080 Was Jesus straight? 0.86

01:08:11.440 What do you say here?

01:08:12.420 Huh? 1.00

01:08:12.700 You said if you never engage in gay sex, then you're not gay. 1.00

01:08:15.220 So, Nick. 1.00

01:08:15.960 I didn't say that. 0.98

01:08:16.540 I said homosexuality is sex is an act. 1.00

01:08:19.960 It's an act. 0.99

01:08:20.680 Oh, OK. 1.00

01:08:21.080 So you said if you don't engage in gay sex, you're not homosexual because homosexual is 1.00

01:08:25.220 predicated on the action. 0.99

01:08:26.440 I didn't say that.

01:08:27.100 I said it's an action.

01:08:28.800 Yeah.

01:08:29.040 So you're telling you're telling me if you don't engage in that action, then you're not

01:08:31.460 that. 0.96

01:08:31.880 Dude, how fucking do I do I need to write it on a piece? 0.99

01:08:33.960 If you if you are a person that engages in that act, you are that person. 0.99

01:08:38.280 Right.

01:08:38.560 So, no, what I'm telling you is that sexual orientations are not defined upon the actions

01:08:42.620 that you engage in.

01:08:43.440 What are they defined on?

01:08:44.600 On your attractions.

01:08:45.860 Right.

01:08:46.000 And I'll give you a really good reason to believe this.

01:08:48.160 Nick, at what age did you lose your virginity?

01:08:49.980 Like 25?

01:08:50.420 I haven't.

01:08:51.060 I haven't.

01:08:51.680 I'm Catholic. 1.00

01:08:52.680 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:08:53.680 I'm going to get married. 1.00

01:08:54.800 Nick, you're not straight by your definition because you've never engaged in the action 0.96

01:08:58.320 of heterosexual intercourse. 0.81

01:09:00.280 True. 0.96

01:09:01.240 I'm asexual.

01:09:02.320 I'm an asexual.

01:09:03.580 You can't get out of this one.

01:09:04.680 So you're going to make a joke because, you know, you can't get out of this.

01:09:07.180 It's not a joke.

01:09:08.020 Wait.

01:09:08.480 So, Nick, you're not straight?

01:09:10.100 Not yet.

01:09:12.340 But I will be.

01:09:13.420 First here, folks, Nick Fuentes is not straight.

01:09:16.680 Nick Fuentes is not straight, ladies and gentlemen.

01:09:19.520 I want to make that one clear.

01:09:21.280 I want to make that one very, very clear.

01:09:23.120 Okay.

01:09:24.740 That's good.

01:09:25.600 So do you now see why we should predicate the definition of-

01:09:27.220 My sexuality is incel.

01:09:29.260 It's involuntarily celibate.

01:09:31.140 So do you now see why we should predicate the definition of, like, straight and gay based

01:09:35.040 upon-

01:09:35.260 No, no.

01:09:35.720 No, I think homosexuality is an act. 1.00

01:09:39.460 Oh, okay.

01:09:40.000 Okay.

01:09:40.280 So then you think being straight is an act, too.

01:09:42.920 All right.

01:09:43.200 So Nick Fuentes is not-

01:09:44.480 Okay.

01:09:44.740 That's the absurdity that I'll reach.

01:09:46.660 If you want to say that, like, being straight is predicated based upon the action, then go

01:09:51.880 for it.

01:09:52.380 It just means that Nick Fuentes isn't straight.

01:09:54.640 Okay?

01:09:54.960 And then also, I want to talk about that action.

01:09:58.560 So-

01:09:58.700 You're empathizing with gay people. 0.93

01:10:00.280 If you're envisioning yourself being gay, you're not straight either, buddy. 0.96

01:10:04.260 Okay.

01:10:04.460 If you're empathizing, if you're getting in their head, getting in their shoes, getting

01:10:07.300 in their wherever.

01:10:08.520 Okay.

01:10:08.920 Okay.

01:10:09.280 I don't know.

01:10:09.900 I think it seems like you're kind of all the above.

01:10:12.260 And Nick, that's the bad thing for you.

01:10:13.360 This is really childish.

01:10:13.980 I don't want to respond to that.

01:10:14.840 The question is whether it's moral.

01:10:16.080 Let me respond to that.

01:10:16.780 Please tell me about your empathy.

01:10:18.380 I want to hear about it.

01:10:18.960 Please, yeah, sure.

01:10:20.540 So that's like a bad thing.

01:10:21.280 Which partner do you empathize more with, the one that's on top or the one that's on

01:10:24.440 bottom?

01:10:24.780 I'm curious.

01:10:25.560 Right.

01:10:25.880 Where's the empathy director?

01:10:26.960 Right.

01:10:27.320 I got a question.

01:10:28.180 God's all-knowing, right?

01:10:30.040 Here we go.

01:10:30.680 Yes. 1.00

01:10:31.100 So God knows what it's like to get fucked in the ass by two dudes. 1.00

01:10:33.680 So God empathizes with it. 1.00

01:10:34.940 Why can't I?

01:10:35.320 That's great.

01:10:36.080 Very good.

01:10:36.680 Very good.

01:10:37.640 No, God doesn't empathize with those people.

01:10:39.840 God casts those people off.

01:10:41.340 Terrible, terrible.

01:10:42.440 Oh, that's so bad.

01:10:43.220 That's great.

01:10:43.900 It's very low IQ humor.

01:10:46.620 It's very low IQ humor. 1.00

01:10:48.020 No, you're getting fucking dunked on repeatedly. 1.00

01:10:50.080 I thought you'd be a better debate. 1.00

01:10:51.080 You're the guy that said you're empathizing with gay people and you're saying that poo 0.99

01:10:54.580 isn't filthy or something? 0.99

01:10:56.640 Oh, no.

01:10:56.920 So once again, my argument was is that you have absolutely no reason to believe that being 0.68

01:11:01.020 gay is wrong in the existence of yourself alongside others just like you that hold 1.00

01:11:05.040 this baseless, trivial prejudice has led to generations of the LGB. 0.97

01:11:08.800 One moment.

01:11:09.460 Let me cook.

01:11:09.880 Let me cook.

01:11:14.380 You're getting a little bit frustrated.

01:11:16.320 Sir, do I need to put the polka dots?

01:11:18.440 No, no, no, no.

01:11:19.040 Give us the whole acronym.

01:11:20.760 Yeah.

01:11:21.000 So generations of the LGBTQ plus community, right, have lived under an oppressive system

01:11:25.860 because people like you like to open up the front door of their house and then scream

01:11:30.020 and shout how wrong it is to love another person and a consentful adult and non-incestuous

01:11:34.860 relationship. 0.94

01:11:35.420 It is absolutely fucking insane to me in here. 0.99

01:11:38.300 You're going to sit here. 0.99

01:11:38.860 You're going to say, oh, Dean, you're boring me because I'm able to empathize with other

01:11:42.680 humans.

01:11:43.140 Is that like a new concept?

01:11:43.980 Oh, brother.

01:11:44.300 Yeah.

01:11:44.480 No, because you're a really good person. 0.98

01:11:46.240 Being in favor of gay sex means you're a really good person and you empathize with people 0.97

01:11:50.240 and care. 0.65

01:11:50.800 It has nothing to do with whether you believe there's a natural law or anything and things

01:11:55.200 we ought to do or not do with our bodies. 0.97

01:11:58.000 It's because you're a really fucking wholesome, good person. 0.99

01:12:00.460 You're a wholesome chungus. 1.00

01:12:01.980 What reason do you have to believe, right, that we ought not engage in sex? 0.99

01:12:05.000 It's bad. 0.99

01:12:05.340 Look, homosexuality is bad for people. 1.00

01:12:08.080 I mean, it's an unnatural act because it's incompatible.

01:12:11.400 Wait, can you define a natural?

01:12:12.540 It's filthy.

01:12:13.240 It's violent.

01:12:14.120 It doesn't work.

01:12:15.020 I mean, what is a sexual act?

01:12:16.940 Wait, can you please define a natural?

01:12:18.540 Ten minutes, guys.

01:12:19.320 Ten minutes on this topic.

01:12:20.980 Yeah, like the sexual act.

01:12:22.160 That's contrary to its purpose, contrary to its nature.

01:12:26.600 Okay, so you're saying it's contrary to its nature. 0.96

01:12:28.740 So you're saying that like every part of your body has a nature, the nature of the penis 1.00

01:12:33.580 isn't to enter into an asshole? 1.00

01:12:35.380 Correct, yes. 1.00

01:12:36.560 Okay, what's the nature of your lips?

01:12:39.420 To do everything that a lip does.

01:12:42.080 Like eat food, talk, speak.

01:12:44.380 I'm sure, yeah.

01:12:45.340 So it's wrong to kiss your girlfriend because that's going against the nature of your lips?

01:12:47.600 No, they're made for that too.

01:12:48.700 They're made for that.

01:12:49.360 That has a purpose in sexuality as well.

01:12:52.160 If you could say that your lips are made for kissing your girlfriend, why can't I say 1.00

01:12:56.120 that the pee-pee is made for being inserted into the asshole? 1.00

01:12:59.500 Because the asshole isn't meant to be penetrated. 1.00

01:13:01.820 Because when that happens, it has long-term health effects. 1.00

01:13:04.860 You could look.

01:13:05.280 There are a lot of like ex-homosexuals that talk about how they have long-term, I mean,

01:13:09.740 I don't want to get graphic, but they have to wear diapers. 1.00

01:13:12.980 They have to wear diapers.

01:13:14.380 So long-term health effects equal unnatural.

01:13:16.600 Yeah, if you're persistently doing something that leads to long-term chronic problems like

01:13:23.480 that, yeah.

01:13:24.400 Okay, wait, I think this is another-

01:13:25.900 Also, it's dirty, and that's why there's disease that results from that as well.

01:13:29.100 I think that this is another trivial argument.

01:13:30.960 Would you say that it's wrong to play the piano because you're unnaturally using your fingers

01:13:34.360 to hit the keys that could lead to long-term health effects such as like-

01:13:36.660 No, because it's not contrary to its nature.

01:13:38.860 Oh, wait, but it leads to long-term negative health effects.

01:13:41.200 In some people, it could lead to like their hands seizing up, or I forget the particular

01:13:44.600 word, but it essentially leads to very like bad long-term health effects like within the

01:13:48.500 hands.

01:13:49.200 So like given your logic, why wouldn't you say that it's wrong to play the piano?

01:13:52.780 Granted, right, that it's not in the nature, right?

01:13:55.000 That was a trivial assumption.

01:13:56.120 And it leads to negative long-term health effects. 0.99

01:13:58.440 Oh, it's obvious because, I mean, what do we call the penis? 1.00

01:14:02.020 It's a sexual organ. 1.00

01:14:03.240 It's for the purpose of sex. 0.98

01:14:06.540 Fingers are a little bit different. 0.72

01:14:08.320 Lips are a little bit different.

01:14:09.600 They have all kinds of different potential utilities and things like that.

01:14:13.920 But the sexual organ is directed towards the sexual function.

01:14:17.160 I mean, why do we- 0.98

01:14:18.020 The reason the penis is shaped like it is, the reason- 0.95

01:14:21.740 Okay, now you're going to interrupt me. 0.96

01:14:23.820 The reason that it's shaped like it is and positioned where it is and all those things,

01:14:27.220 it's for one purpose.

01:14:28.340 The reason that it-

01:14:29.320 I mean, not to get graphic, but the reason it does all the things it does is for the

01:14:32.740 purpose of insemination.

01:14:33.920 It's not for the purpose of inseminating a person's colon or rectum. 0.96

01:14:37.900 And by the way, a butthole has literally one purpose, okay? 0.97

01:14:41.500 A butthole has one purpose, which is to excrete waste, not for other things like that. 0.99

01:14:47.840 Do you have any sense on this? 0.98

01:14:48.720 I'm going to give you-

01:14:49.500 Yeah, let's hear it.

01:14:50.300 Well, it is a debate, so I wouldn't mind that at all, actually.

01:14:53.000 Yeah.

01:14:53.660 So, I mean, I don't think that we could prescriptively define the function of any part of our body

01:14:58.520 or really anything, for that matter.

01:15:00.120 We could only descriptively define them.

01:15:02.580 Like, I could give you a good analogy here.

01:15:04.560 Like, if you went to, like, a hardware store like Lowe's or Home Depot, right, and you went

01:15:08.660 to buy a hammer, and the instruction manual on this hammer tells you that it's supposed

01:15:13.400 to put nails into wood, well, I mean, all of a sudden, you are misusing the hammer if

01:15:17.120 you're not putting nails in the wood.

01:15:19.020 But if you go into the middle of the forest and you find a rock in the shape of a hammer

01:15:22.440 identical to the one in Lowe's, you're not doing anything wrong regardless of how you

01:15:26.080 use it because there wasn't any intention behind its design.

01:15:29.120 And that's exactly what I would say about the human anatomy, right?

01:15:32.220 There was no conscious intention behind the design of the human anatomy.

01:15:35.600 I think that we could descriptively define how we use parts of our body, and I think

01:15:39.440 you kind of implicitly conceded to this earlier when you told me that it's in my nature

01:15:43.320 to use my hands to play the piano or to use my mouth to kiss my girlfriend.

01:15:47.000 Those are not intentful, prescriptive claims that you're making about the function or use

01:15:52.720 of my hands.

01:15:53.460 These are going to be descriptions about how we can use my hands, about how we can use

01:15:57.100 my lips, and that's exactly how I'd reference, right, these sexual organs, okay?

01:16:01.060 And the only way for you to justify your claim that there is intention behind the design of

01:16:04.840 the human anatomy to justify that there's incorrect uses of it would be God.

01:16:08.780 And of course, I dispute the existence of God.

01:16:11.020 You couldn't prove that God exists.

01:16:12.440 If we had 30 minutes, I could be able to give you an argument to show that it's logically

01:16:15.560 impossible for the Christian God to exist. 0.99

01:16:17.700 So I think what it's best for you to do right now is to either concede your position or just

01:16:21.860 say it outright. 0.94

01:16:22.700 You think being gay is wrong because God said so. 1.00

01:16:25.340 You think being gay is wrong because you truly believe that God built our bodies to function in

01:16:29.920 a particular manner that is adjacent to the use that you like to describe to our fingers

01:16:34.440 or to our mouths?

01:16:35.480 Say it out loud.

01:16:37.780 Well, like I said, if you were listening at the very beginning of my opening statement,

01:16:41.740 I said, we are created and we are ensouled and our souls and our bodies have to be treated

01:16:47.860 with dignity.

01:16:49.100 And yes, you're 100% right.

01:16:50.900 I mean, if you believe that if you're a nihilist or a materialist and you believe there's only

01:16:55.260 matter and everything is subjective, then yeah, like there's no problem with putting

01:16:59.700 this in there and that over there.

01:17:01.940 But if you think that we are created and if you think there is such a thing as a natural

01:17:05.680 law and a moral law, then we would have to abide by what we can assume are these functions

01:17:12.360 or what we are told are the functions by revelation.

01:17:14.940 If you believe in a religion with revelation, then it's revealed.

01:17:18.700 If you believe in a religion which is philosophical, then you have to deduce it rationally.

01:17:23.540 But when you look at something like the anus, you know, E. Michael Jones has a famous quote

01:17:28.200 about this. 0.98

01:17:28.620 The anus is not a sex organ. 0.98

01:17:30.220 It's obviously not. 0.97

01:17:31.140 It's there for one purpose.

01:17:32.620 And I think, you know, we all sort of know, like, yeah, of course you can do these things.

01:17:37.480 No one's arguing that you can't.

01:17:38.980 Of course you can.

01:17:40.180 It can be done.

01:17:41.560 You're capable of doing it.

01:17:42.660 The question is ought.

01:17:44.440 Should we do these things?

01:17:46.200 You know, and if these things are contrary to their nature and there's evidence that this

01:17:50.380 is the case because they result in problems, then we probably shouldn't.

01:17:54.480 And you don't even necessarily need to believe in God to understand that.

01:17:57.900 I think that, I think that, hang on, I'm not totally finished.

01:18:00.660 I think that even if you don't believe in God, I think there are a lot of people that

01:18:04.060 actually don't believe in God that still find it to be a, a kind of degenerative, indulgent,

01:18:12.020 but hang on, undignified practice.

01:18:14.360 I'm not finished yet.

01:18:15.600 You're very disrespectful in that way.

01:18:17.200 I'm so respectful.

01:18:18.160 And you're being very rude the way you're chirping with these little interruptions.

01:18:21.100 And the thing is, I mean, let's imagine what it is when they're walking down the, down

01:18:26.000 the street, waving that flag, it represents a filthy, violent act where you're evacuating 0.99

01:18:32.640 fecal matter out of your bowels to make room for sex. 1.00

01:18:35.920 And it's never fully gone. 1.00

01:18:37.980 And this is why they get AIDS because you're putting a sexual organ where the shit is. 0.99

01:18:43.000 And that's just something that like, yeah, is objectively gross. 1.00

01:18:46.340 I think for very good reasons, which is a pretty good heuristic that it's also immoral.

01:18:50.480 And so, you know, people that are same sex attracted, people that are tolerant of same

01:18:55.480 sex attracted persons and people that are not, I think should all be able to recognize

01:19:00.100 that sodomy is something that is, there's something deeply wrong with it and it should

01:19:04.240 be avoided even if you're not religious.

01:19:06.060 Let's do closing statements.

01:19:07.280 One minute each.

01:19:07.900 I'll give about one minute to Dean and then one minute to Nick.

01:19:09.760 We'll go on to the next topic.

01:19:11.560 Great.

01:19:11.880 Thank you so much.

01:19:13.560 So Nick Fuentes made two arguments.

01:19:15.840 The first argument that Nick Fuentes made was that I think it's gross.

01:19:19.440 Therefore it's wrong.

01:19:20.520 In Nick's closing statement, what he will not do is give me the logical distinction with 0.99

01:19:25.600 him saying, gay gross, therefore wrong, and a white supremacist saying, being black gross, 0.99

01:19:30.680 therefore wrong. 0.99

01:19:31.580 There's no logical distinction between the way in which those two beliefs were formed.

01:19:35.060 And he won't be able to give it to me.

01:19:36.620 The second argument that Nick made here was that we can deduce that it's not within the 0.96

01:19:41.240 teleological use of these sex organs to use them in such a manner where the penis is 0.88

01:19:49.780 inserted into the anus because doing so can reap long-term negative outcomes. 0.98

01:19:55.280 Okay?

01:19:55.840 Right? 0.99

01:19:56.220 He will not be able to give me the difference between saying this is why gay sex is wrong 0.99

01:20:00.820 and me saying, well, it's wrong to play the piano because when you use your hands to do 0.96

01:20:05.720 so, this could reap negative long-term outcomes such as arthritis.

01:20:09.780 So those two arguments alone show us all that Nick's logic here is unreliable because of

01:20:16.640 the absurdities in which they yield, right? 0.52

01:20:18.680 If the same logic that you're using to justify that being gay is wrong could lead a white supremacist 0.99

01:20:23.700 to the conclusion that being black is wrong and lead a dumbass to the conclusion that playing 0.99

01:20:27.600 the piano is wrong, maybe your logic isn't that sound. 0.99

01:20:31.120 And I think that's going to be my closing statement. 0.60

01:20:33.440 If Nick Fuentes was honest with us here, folks, he would tell us that being gay is wrong because

01:20:37.600 he's just a little bit prejudiced, don't you think?

01:20:41.880 Okay, that was a bit over.

01:20:42.840 Nick, I'll give you a 90 seconds to close here.

01:20:45.200 All right.

01:20:45.600 Yeah.

01:20:45.840 I don't know why we got to do the debate club stuff.

01:20:48.540 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, what Nick Fuentes is going to try and it's like,

01:20:52.020 this is a very informed, we're on Aiden Ross. 0.97

01:20:53.800 Okay, bitch, this is Aiden Ross live. 1.00

01:20:55.820 There's no rules here. 0.99

01:20:56.780 Okay.

01:20:57.060 Other than the time limit.

01:20:58.760 My closing statement is very simple.

01:21:00.800 It's just like how I started.

01:21:02.600 If you believe, and I tend to think that every decent person does, even if you're not Christian 0.93

01:21:06.980 or necessarily religious, if you believe that we are more than just matter, meaning that

01:21:12.160 we have souls, meaning that there is something deeper, there's a ghost in the machine that

01:21:16.060 is a true source of identity.

01:21:17.640 If you believe that the universe is created and we're created, then you believe that moral

01:21:21.980 conduct is not just about avoiding harm or hurting people.

01:21:26.200 There's also a way to conduct your moral life independently, and it's how you treat

01:21:30.140 yourself.

01:21:30.920 It's your actions.

01:21:32.080 We all understand there's an idea of discipline, cleanliness, all those kinds of things. 0.77

01:21:36.340 And the idea of sodomy, which people should think of when they think of homosexuality,

01:21:40.300 I think according to any decent person in any culture, is something that is violent,

01:21:45.920 filthy, and those things tend to be wrong. 0.95

01:21:48.280 It's contrary to the nature of sex, what we know the anus and the penis to be for, 0.98

01:21:53.080 you know, or, you know, for lesbians, for that matter, it's contrary to the purpose of 1.00

01:21:56.940 those things.

01:21:58.440 And I would say that on top of all that, you have evidence that this is the case because

01:22:02.940 there's such a low incidence of it.

01:22:05.000 It's a very small percentage of the population.

01:22:07.120 It has a very high coincidence with mental illness.

01:22:09.500 And there's a very common family pattern that produces that behavior, that disposition.

01:22:15.700 Hey, you got about 10 seconds, Nick.

01:22:17.160 10 seconds.

01:22:18.160 Okay.

01:22:19.080 It's a very particular kind of behavior that's a response to things.

01:22:23.140 It should be avoided.

01:22:24.060 I think any decent person realizes that.

01:22:26.400 Hey, Aiden.

01:22:27.220 Yes.

01:22:27.480 There's no more on this subject, Dean.

01:22:29.500 Hold on.

01:22:29.860 What is Dean?

01:22:30.180 Yes, Dean.

01:22:32.480 Well, I mean, I would like to propose giving Nick another 60 seconds to respond to my closing

01:22:40.180 statement.

01:22:41.000 As I pointed out in my closing statement, he wouldn't respond to the arguments I gave, and

01:22:45.740 he still didn't.

01:22:46.320 So I just wanted to see if Nick wanted more time to do that.

01:22:48.580 If not, we can move on, but he probably won't.

01:22:51.520 Can we give him 60 more seconds to actually respond?

01:22:55.340 Okay.

01:22:55.760 Can we do the next topic?

01:22:57.080 We're going to move on. 1.00

01:22:57.680 We're going to respond to your stupid syllogism about white supremacy and the Holocaust and 1.00

01:23:01.620 January 6th or whatever. 1.00

01:23:03.100 That's a damning non-answer.

01:23:04.500 Let's go to the next topic.

01:23:05.420 Yeah.

01:23:05.720 Yeah.

01:23:06.380 Okay.

01:23:06.800 We're going to go to the next one.

01:23:07.860 And then, Aiden, you agreed to do immigration.

01:23:10.040 We'll circle back to Kamala Trump after the last agreed upon subject.

01:23:13.400 Is that cool?

01:23:15.280 Yeah.

01:23:15.760 Depending on what time it is, I have to get there for anyway.

01:23:18.280 I kind of like a hard, like an hour, an hour, an hour, an hour, an hour.

01:23:20.360 We wouldn't go on immigration. 0.98

01:23:21.640 I might have some time.

01:23:22.400 I just have to see what's going on.

01:23:23.400 The reasoning why we might have to do a fifth topic that we both agree on, guys, is because

01:23:27.040 a lot of the audience is enjoying this and they're deep in on this.

01:23:31.540 And I think it's almost, you guys are almost kind of tied right now.

01:23:35.620 A lot of them are agreeing about a tie.

01:23:38.280 So maybe a fifth.

01:23:40.240 We'll see.

01:23:41.040 Let's get to the fourth topic though.

01:23:42.580 Well, how about this?

01:23:43.140 Because we've been going about 30 minutes each subject for brevity's sake.

01:23:46.620 Why don't we do 20 minutes on the last subject and 20 minutes on immigration to keep it?

01:23:50.860 What's the last subject?

01:23:52.980 Are men superior to women? 0.97

01:23:56.460 Can we get out of here?

01:23:58.500 Okay.

01:23:58.920 But if you agree to do immigration?

01:24:02.360 If I agree to immigration, you get out of here. 1.00

01:24:05.080 I feel like there's people out there that can represent an immigration show and I can.

01:24:09.200 Because if you're going to lose, I don't have one.

01:24:11.580 I don't know.

01:24:13.220 Okay.

01:24:13.620 Nick, is that fine with you?

01:24:14.540 If he doesn't want to do immigration, he wants to. 0.98

01:24:16.260 I don't like immigration. 1.00

01:24:17.040 Let's just.

01:24:18.180 Hold on a second.

01:24:19.360 Dean.

01:24:19.660 I'm around on myself.

01:24:20.340 Dean, Dean, Dean.

01:24:21.060 Do you have a topic that you would.

01:24:22.340 A fifth topic that you might want to cover.

01:24:24.820 Touch base on.

01:24:27.160 Just something for the end.

01:24:28.300 It doesn't have to be that long either.

01:24:29.220 Like maybe 15 minutes.

01:24:30.960 Yeah.

01:24:31.240 No.

01:24:31.600 We can get the immigration. 0.71

01:24:33.220 All right.

01:24:35.140 Okay.

01:24:35.900 All right.

01:24:36.280 So the next topic is.

01:24:38.620 Are men superior to women? 0.97

01:24:40.040 No, that's good.

01:24:41.420 Yeah.

01:24:41.800 We'll start with our men.

01:24:42.600 Debate partner.

01:24:43.500 You're good.

01:24:43.980 It's not personal.

01:24:45.520 I just want you to know.

01:24:47.060 Are men more superior?

01:24:48.940 No, just superior.

01:24:49.560 Okay.

01:24:50.040 Are men superior to women? 0.97

01:24:50.580 We'll start with Nick.

01:24:51.260 I'll give you three minutes and then three minutes of Dean.

01:24:53.680 Yeah.

01:24:54.060 Men are awesome. 1.00

01:24:55.080 Women suck and they're dumb. 1.00

01:24:56.920 And no, I'm kidding. 1.00

01:24:59.240 Yeah.

01:24:59.600 The thing is though, men obviously were made to lead.

01:25:03.340 And I do think that women should have a secondary role in society. 0.98

01:25:06.680 I think that's absolutely true.

01:25:07.840 So I do believe in a fundamental equality between man and woman.

01:25:11.840 You know, the Bible says that God created them man and woman.

01:25:14.540 So we're both created with dignity and should be respected.

01:25:17.360 And there's an equality before God that we both have.

01:25:20.680 But we were created with two distinct and different natures.

01:25:25.100 You know, they are two essential.

01:25:27.660 Maleness and femaleness are essential about a person. 1.00

01:25:30.580 They're essential to the soul.

01:25:31.760 They're essential to the body.

01:25:33.160 They come with a function.

01:25:34.180 They come with a particular anatomy.

01:25:36.260 They come with a brain chemistry.

01:25:38.120 And as such, those things have social roles.

01:25:40.500 The idea that, you know, these clearly two distinct categories, two essential types of

01:25:45.780 people would be treated precisely the same or exactly the same in society.

01:25:49.740 It belies the fact that they have two different natures.

01:25:51.820 And I think it's obvious that men are celestial.

01:25:54.740 They're individualists.

01:25:55.620 They're rationalists.

01:25:56.340 They're leaders.

01:25:57.180 They're risk takers.

01:25:58.560 They should be working, fighting, running society.

01:26:02.180 Women are terrestrial. 1.00

01:26:04.420 They're nurturers.

01:26:05.240 They're caregivers.

01:26:06.560 They should be the mothers. 1.00

01:26:08.120 I don't think that they should be necessarily precluded from working.

01:26:11.700 But I think that they should be encouraged first and foremost to be mothers for their benefit

01:26:16.280 and for the benefit of society as a whole.

01:26:18.820 And that's kind of the gist of my position.

01:26:22.500 Okay.

01:26:23.140 So I have an opening statement.

01:26:25.820 I guess I'll use it up.

01:26:27.720 My position is pretty clear.

01:26:29.480 No, one human being does not have more intrinsic moral value than another human being.

01:26:34.540 I don't think that we could take this qualification of your gender identity or what's in between

01:26:38.400 your legs and abstract that out to this norm of who's going to be better at leading.

01:26:43.440 I'd say the qualifications of determining who's better at leading, the qualifications 0.98

01:26:47.300 of determining, you know, half the shit that he named off over here is not going to be, 0.98

01:26:51.300 right, what's in between your legs or your gender identity, but rather other various traits. 0.98

01:26:55.500 But I guess just to make this quick, we can kind of cut to the chase here.

01:26:59.380 Why do you think men are better at leading than women? 0.90

01:27:01.700 I would appreciate specifics.

01:27:03.040 You kind of pointed out like different natures, different biological differences,

01:27:07.280 neuroanatomy, et cetera.

01:27:08.560 I want you to name the specifics.

01:27:10.320 Maybe I could ask you a question here.

01:27:11.940 What are the specific biological differences between men and women that make men better

01:27:16.040 at leading than women?

01:27:17.580 Smarter, stronger, all of the above.

01:27:21.240 No, I mean, in actuality, in actuality, what are those your two qualifiers?

01:27:27.760 No, no, I'm being a little bit funny.

01:27:29.900 We'll be honest with you here.

01:27:30.800 The reason why they're better leaders, well, one, I think they're really only qualified

01:27:36.160 to be leaders because they are physically stronger.

01:27:40.060 And, you know, this is one of the reasons why we have a feminist society. 1.00

01:27:43.480 It's because we live in a world where we have technology.

01:27:46.800 In the old days, when there was fighting, it was very physical and it was very direct.

01:27:53.440 It was hand-to-hand combat.

01:27:54.800 And the only people that could do it were men.

01:27:56.880 As such, the militaries that were raised up were comprised of men.

01:28:01.060 The people that fought and enforced sovereignty, law, borders, all those things were men. 0.74

01:28:06.360 And necessarily, then, they're the decision makers.

01:28:09.280 And so, you know, the idea that it has something to do with what's between your legs.

01:28:13.200 Well, it has to do with what's between your legs and the fact that you have testosterone.

01:28:16.720 You're physically stronger.

01:28:18.040 And, by the way, because you have testosterone, it means you're more aggressive.

01:28:22.180 It means you're a bigger risk-taker.

01:28:24.500 Those are two things that are important.

01:28:26.740 For a person to be a leader, they need to be able to stand against the crowd.

01:28:30.640 They need—and that means a risk-taker.

01:28:32.300 It means you need to be disagreeable.

01:28:34.420 It involves a certain amount of aggression and a competitiveness that women simply lack. 1.00

01:28:39.120 We all know that women are very agreeable, passive. 1.00

01:28:41.840 Not all of them, but generally speaking, they are.

01:28:45.200 They're peacemakers.

01:28:46.540 They're more introspective.

01:28:47.920 They're more emotional, less decisive.

01:28:50.160 And all of that makes them worse as leaders.

01:28:53.940 Now, there can be women that are good in particular leadership roles in certain circumstances. 0.99

01:28:59.280 And individual women might. 1.00

01:29:00.960 But as a general rule, because of their nature, they don't make good leaders.

01:29:05.600 Okay.

01:29:05.840 Thank you so much for your response there.

01:29:08.700 Let's talk about it all.

01:29:09.980 One of the reasons that you gave me that men are better at leading than women is physical strength. 0.96

01:29:14.160 That is a totally and completely mute point.

01:29:17.680 You would not be able to name me one social category in the world today where leadership is determined on purely physical strength.

01:29:25.940 I also bet that you would not be willing to vote for a 15-year-old on steroids that can binge-press 600 pounds over Donald Trump just because he's physically stronger.

01:29:35.220 Another point that you brought up is that women are more emotional than men.

01:29:38.640 I'd actually say that's false.

01:29:41.900 72% of people who commit suicide are men.

01:29:45.480 85% of people that abuse hard drugs as an emotional reaction to particular external stimuli are men.

01:29:54.820 We see that 95% of violent crimes are committed by men.

01:29:58.080 We see that men are much more likely to start wars, to start genocides.

01:30:02.080 We see that men are much more likely to engage in irrational risk-adverse activities such as drunk driving, reckless driving, or gambling.

01:30:10.360 Meanwhile, we see women have a higher IQ and EQ on average. 0.98

01:30:14.260 Women outperform men in the context of school, going to it more, getting better to grades and better degrees. 0.88

01:30:19.360 And we see that women can actually deal with stress better than men.

01:30:23.240 And that's one of those biological predispositions that you were talking about.

01:30:26.720 Women have thicker dendrites in their neuroanatomy compared to men for the reason being that evolution has designed women to deal with childbirth. 0.99

01:30:36.300 And that made them deal with stress better as well.

01:30:40.460 That's why we see that female surgeons outcompete male surgeons. 1.00

01:30:45.980 The JMA and the AMA did a massive study on 1.7 million patients on six continents and evaluated that if you're operated on by a male compared to a female,

01:30:56.280 that you're more likely to die as a result of your surgery and you're more likely to experience post-operative outcomes. 0.92

01:31:01.500 So, just a quick recap, physical strength doesn't mean shit. 0.99

01:31:05.400 I have bigger biceps than you. 0.99

01:31:06.840 I bet you think you're a better leader. 1.00

01:31:09.360 Emotional maturity, women are more emotionally mature than men, than about intelligence and all the other shit you brought up. 0.98

01:31:15.700 We could get into that, but I'll let you respond to the points that I brought up so far. 0.98

01:31:18.740 Yeah, so you said it was risk-averse to gamble and drunk drive.

01:31:24.000 It's the opposite.

01:31:25.080 You said men are more willing to drunk drive and gamble.

01:31:27.420 Those are risk-taking activities, and risk-taking is fundamental in leadership.

01:31:33.140 That's why – yeah, fair enough.

01:31:35.360 And that's why the richest people in the world, they're all men because the entrepreneurs are men because an entrepreneur is a risk-taker.

01:31:43.080 And one man's gambling is another man's entrepreneurship.

01:31:46.380 One man's drunk driving is another man's self-destructive, obsessive, maniacal quest for building the best company or being the president or anything like that.

01:31:59.900 It's absolutely essential.

01:32:02.300 With regard to higher IQ and EQ, it is true that on average women have a higher IQ, but it's also true that the distribution is different.

01:32:10.020 There's more geniuses among men.

01:32:12.360 I mean the curve, if you will, is flatter.

01:32:16.040 So there's more men that are on the left side of the curve.

01:32:18.960 There's more men on the right side of the curve.

01:32:20.800 Although the average for women is higher, they don't have those outliers and those extremes.

01:32:25.660 That's why you don't see a lot of female geniuses, and that's just true. 1.00

01:32:29.180 I mean earlier today in preparation for the debate, I asked Chad GPT.

01:32:32.540 I said, name some female geniuses. 1.00

01:32:34.200 They got to like three before they had to name a feminist. 1.00

01:32:36.600 They did like Marie Curie, some ancient Neoplatonist no one ever heard of, and then it was like all the first and second wave feminists. 1.00

01:32:45.720 There's no female geniuses. 1.00

01:32:47.160 There's very few female billionaires that didn't get their wealth outside of divorce. 1.00

01:32:51.640 There's very few female heads of state. 1.00

01:32:53.700 People say that's oppression.

01:32:55.160 It's misogyny.

01:32:56.520 And we all know it's because they're not risk takers.

01:32:58.720 They're not tough.

01:32:59.380 With regard to they handle stress better, yeah, maybe certain kinds of stress, but I think we all know women, and I think we all know that when women are put in stressful situations, they cry, they cry, they get upset, they freak out, they call their boyfriend, they call their father.

01:33:17.100 Hang on, hang on.

01:33:17.680 I'll let you go on. 0.99

01:33:18.700 I'll let you go on, and you said that ridiculous stuff. 0.99

01:33:21.060 Hang on. 0.98

01:33:21.600 Let me finish.

01:33:22.100 Let me finish.

01:33:22.620 I'll wrap up.

01:33:23.160 I'll wrap up, but I'll let you finish, and I'll let you say that women handle stress better. 1.00

01:33:27.660 That's insane, okay?

01:33:29.380 And with regard to physical strength, you know, look, I said today physical strength is not a qualifier because of techniques, because we have missiles, we have tanks, and things like that.

01:33:39.980 But the point is it used to be the case that what qualified you to lead is that you would go out there and be doing the fighting and all of that, and that is still true.

01:33:48.500 It's not necessarily true in the United States, but it is still true in other countries, and countries like Israel, for example, or Iran, their presidents and their ministers are frequently military leaders.

01:33:59.380 That are actually having to be in the tanks and in the battlefield, and, you know, it's hard to be in the battlefield when you get your period.

01:34:05.840 It's hard to be in the battlefield if you're pregnant or something like that.

01:34:09.580 Men don't get pregnant. 1.00

01:34:10.560 Men don't get their period.

01:34:11.980 Men are physically stronger.

01:34:13.700 Men have more endurance.

01:34:15.780 That's why, by the way, it's not just that they're stronger, they're faster, they're all the above.

01:34:21.420 That's why women don't compete with men in sports. 1.00

01:34:23.760 That's why men make better soldiers.

01:34:25.740 And so, you know, yeah, it kind of does matter that if there's a war, men are going to be the ones fighting and dying it, and that's why they're leading.

01:34:31.960 And there's something deeply related to their biology there as well.

01:34:35.060 But go ahead, since you want to interrupt me already.

01:34:37.240 Yeah, yeah, let's do something here.

01:34:38.980 I've kind of felt this way the entire time that we've been having the discussion.

01:34:42.620 I feel like we both like to talk a lot.

01:34:45.300 I think that that's been evidently clear.

01:34:46.940 We just kind of go at each other with these two to three minute responses.

01:34:50.560 Can I ask something from you?

01:34:52.980 What is it?

01:34:53.900 Depends on what it is.

01:34:54.860 I kind of want to break down each point you've brought up and demonstrate to you why it's flawed instead of just giving these long-winded responses.

01:35:02.660 You want to do a fact?

01:35:03.440 Five minutes, guys.

01:35:04.340 And I want to do that point by point with our last five minutes.

01:35:07.140 The first point about physical strength.

01:35:09.440 Who would you rather vote for?

01:35:10.620 A 15-year-old that can binge press 1,000 pounds or Donald Trump?

01:35:13.420 But that's not what I'm saying.

01:35:14.300 I'm not saying that the most physically strong person should be the king.

01:35:18.600 I'm saying that as a category, as a category, women are not soldiers. 0.97

01:35:23.940 They're not tasked with defending the country.

01:35:26.920 And that is effectively what the king or the president is supposed to do is defend the realm.

01:35:31.980 Didn't Trump dodge the draft five times?

01:35:35.160 Oh, my.

01:35:36.260 Okay.

01:35:36.880 So are we just going to do the resistance liberal thing now?

01:35:39.760 I said the United States, techniques nonwithstanding.

01:35:43.200 Are you capable of understanding a concept?

01:35:45.800 Can non-soldiers defend the country?

01:35:47.940 President, bone spurs.

01:35:49.740 We're talking about whether women should be leaders.

01:35:52.700 If they can't physically defend the borders.

01:35:55.960 Okay.

01:35:56.320 So you'd say the weaker you are, physically speaking, the worse you are at leading.

01:36:00.020 No, no. 0.99

01:36:01.160 So then what the fuck is your argument? 0.99

01:36:03.480 Yeah. 0.99

01:36:03.860 It's like you're not even listening.

01:36:05.240 I said as a category, as a category, because sex is essential. 1.00

01:36:10.160 A category that's not going to be indicative of leadership ability when the question is,

01:36:13.820 why are men better at leading than women? 1.00

01:36:15.040 Why do you name a category where we see these general biological distinctions between men

01:36:19.740 and women if it's not indicative of men being better at leading than women?

01:36:23.400 I asked you to name the specific biological differences between men and women that make

01:36:27.480 men better at leading than women. 1.00

01:36:28.960 You said strength was one of them, and now you're saying it's not.

01:36:31.560 You're saying that emotional intelligence was one of them, and you conceded that women 0.90

01:36:34.340 are more emotionally intelligent than men.

01:36:36.320 Didn't hear the other part.

01:36:37.480 But another point that you brought up was intelligence, specifically IQ, with the highest

01:36:42.620 geniuses of the men being smarter than that of the women. 0.98

01:36:45.120 I'd say there's going to be some social aspects thrown in there.

01:36:49.560 I mean, if you look at the average IQ of an Arab individual compared to a white individual

01:36:53.800 at home here in the US, the white individual has a higher IQ.

01:36:56.800 But then if you go to an Arab-dominated country in the Middle East, you'll see that the Arab 1.00

01:37:00.340 individual has a higher IQ.

01:37:01.520 What this means is that socialization, access to opportunity, and resources can play in

01:37:06.220 to your deviated IQ.

01:37:08.980 So of course, we'd see more men having higher IQs at the end of the spectrum compared to

01:37:12.540 women, just because they have more opportunity, resources, and access to education in general. 1.00

01:37:16.220 Oh, it's because of misogyny.

01:37:17.560 It's misogyny, right? 1.00

01:37:18.720 Women are dumb because of misogyny. 1.00

01:37:21.120 Well, actually, I'd say that not being in the top 10% of IQ doesn't make you fucking dumb. 1.00

01:37:25.900 You ask me questions. 1.00

01:37:26.900 Let me ask you a question.

01:37:28.040 I want to ask you a question about leadership.

01:37:30.400 What do you think are good leadership traits?

01:37:32.280 Can you give me some examples of what good leadership traits are?

01:37:35.340 That's a great question.

01:37:36.220 And I think I'll give you a great answer.

01:37:37.940 We could talk about a good morally virtuous character.

01:37:40.020 We could talk about ability to get along with other people, bring people together, and get

01:37:44.100 them to follow you.

01:37:45.220 Another thing that I'd say, a good leader isn't just someone who could bring people together,

01:37:48.740 but a good leader is also someone that can lead those people into a positive direction.

01:37:52.260 The reason that leadership exists in the first place is because when you take a large group 0.94

01:37:56.980 of people and you set them on their own paths, they're not going to get shit done. 0.52

01:38:01.820 Thereby, you choose one of that large group of people to lead them all in what?

01:38:06.280 A positive direction.

01:38:07.280 So you're looking for someone with a good character.

01:38:09.040 You're looking for someone that could bring people together.

01:38:10.740 You're probably going to be looking for someone that's pretty damn competent as well, and

01:38:13.860 someone that could achieve the highest level of eudaimonia for the group of people that

01:38:17.220 they're leading.

01:38:17.640 I mean, I'm sure there's other attributes that we get assigned to leadership here, but

01:38:20.940 there's going to be a general sense.

01:38:23.200 Vropa.eudaimonia.

01:38:24.300 Look, he...

01:38:25.720 Wait, Nick, where you're wrong.

01:38:27.680 Nick, let's do a...

01:38:28.720 Do you need to respond or could we let's do a one-minute closing statement here?

01:38:32.360 Can I just respond and then we can do...

01:38:34.400 Sure.

01:38:34.840 Yeah, go ahead.

01:38:35.700 Okay.

01:38:36.260 So just to respond to that, I mean, and this is kind of the whole essence of the debate.

01:38:40.440 This thing was coming off last time.

01:38:41.480 Funny.

01:38:41.820 Go ahead.

01:38:42.080 You fundamentally misunderstand human nature and you know nothing about leadership.

01:38:45.380 You say it's about bringing everyone together to move in a positive direction.

01:38:50.660 It's like this is a problem with Gen Z. 1.00

01:38:52.360 It's like this kind of kindergartner.

01:38:54.200 Hang on.

01:38:54.620 Can I finish, please?

01:38:55.740 I didn't interrupt all that nonsense.

01:38:57.580 It's just sort of like, hey, everybody, let's all hold hands and let's just create, you

01:39:01.320 know, like everyone's being nice to each other.

01:39:03.860 The world is a mess, okay?

01:39:05.720 The world is a knife fight.

01:39:07.200 On the global scale, when you're talking about leaders and armies, it's a knife fight for existence.

01:39:12.840 We're talking about companies.

01:39:13.980 It's a knife fight for existence.

01:39:16.500 We're talking about anything.

01:39:18.160 Human competition, it's practically homicidal between people and anyone that's serious about

01:39:23.320 anything will tell you that.

01:39:24.500 Anyone that's obsessed, anyone that's ambitious, anyone who is ruling, who is actually the leaders

01:39:29.740 in society who earned their role there, they'll tell you the same thing.

01:39:32.580 It's cutthroat.

01:39:33.660 And yeah, like there are some abilities, like you said, like, yeah, you need to inspire people

01:39:38.000 and things like that.

01:39:38.980 But more than that, you need a willingness to do what it takes.

01:39:41.960 You need an ambition, you need to take risks, you need to be willing to make decisions and

01:39:46.340 stand by them.

01:39:47.620 These are all qualities that purely because of gender and hormones, because of their biological

01:39:53.040 role, women don't have those things. 1.00

01:39:54.860 Because women have to have a baby grow inside of them for nine months and then hear it scream 1.00

01:39:59.960 and cry and take care of it and feed them from their breast and have like basically a dependent. 1.00

01:40:05.300 They're just not made for that kind of competition.

01:40:07.680 They have a completely care-based ethics.

01:40:10.100 They're totally dependent.

01:40:11.760 Men who are individuals, risk takers, aggressive, men who can exist independently of women when

01:40:17.320 it's really not so the other way around.

01:40:19.680 They alone have the ability to do what it takes to lead.

01:40:22.460 And that's why, even with all the DEI in the world, you're still going to have men running 1.00

01:40:27.100 everything, the private sector, the public sector, the military, because men are the 0.96

01:40:30.940 ones that can lead.

01:40:32.220 And thus, they do.

01:40:33.540 It's only through ideologically motivated policies from human resources departments that 0.98

01:40:39.340 you get women doing fucking anything other than like creating schedules and being nurses 1.00

01:40:43.500 and being fucking teachers and stuff like that. 1.00

01:40:45.820 That's just reality. 1.00

01:40:46.740 Everyone knows it.

01:40:47.500 And you could give me a hundred studies.

01:40:49.400 That's human nature.

01:40:50.180 Dean responding to closing statements.

01:40:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:40:53.540 It's funny how you're saying that you can't get women to do anything.

01:40:56.360 If a woman didn't do something, you want to be sitting here having this debate with me 1.00

01:40:59.680 right now.

01:41:00.620 But I would just wanted to respond to that.

01:41:02.840 You're saying men are so much better at leading than women. 1.00

01:41:05.540 And I hate women because I haven't touched one since conception. 1.00

01:41:09.180 Sorry, that's not what you said. 0.97

01:41:10.200 You actually said, you know, you know, because they're not aggressive.

01:41:13.580 I touch them.

01:41:14.140 I just don't. 0.99

01:41:14.660 I don't have sex with them.

01:41:15.720 They're not my wife. 1.00

01:41:17.700 I don't I don't I don't know about that. 1.00

01:41:19.240 Anyways, so you're a rapist. 0.98

01:41:22.400 I'm not going to I'm not going to orange man bad evidence or glad. 1.00

01:41:27.220 So anyway, what I know you're good, man.

01:41:29.080 What I was going to ask.

01:41:30.100 Well, if I have like ambition, risk taking and aggressiveness is what makes you a good

01:41:35.040 leader.

01:41:36.380 Hitler was an incredibly ambitious, aggressive risk taker. 0.95

01:41:41.800 Given your qualifications, would you thereby say that Hitler is a good leader? 0.84

01:41:48.220 It's indisputable.

01:41:49.080 He is.

01:41:51.340 Indisputably.

01:41:52.360 You could even say he's evil.

01:41:54.000 He's he made Germany great again.

01:41:57.380 I have a question. 0.92

01:41:58.140 He's evil.

01:41:58.960 Who do you rather have run our country right now? 0.99

01:42:01.240 Your wife or Hitler? 0.89

01:42:02.320 Hitler, of course, of course, I don't I don't have a wife, but if I did, she would not be 0.98

01:42:12.220 fit to run the country.

01:42:13.300 I could tell you that much.

01:42:14.340 She can run the kitchen. 0.93

01:42:15.860 She can run.

01:42:17.560 She can't run the lawnmower. 0.99

01:42:19.060 I'll put it that way.

01:42:20.540 And I think anyone would.

01:42:21.660 One's in the chat.

01:42:22.600 If you'd rather Hitler over your wife, two's if you prefer your wife. 1.00

01:42:26.260 We'll let the chat. 1.00

01:42:27.300 We'll let the fucking numbers do the talking over here. 0.99

01:42:29.380 I don't think I'm alone in that. 0.99

01:42:30.960 OK, let's do a one minute closing. 0.88

01:42:32.600 Let's do one minute, Nick, and then one minute, Dean.

01:42:36.660 Nick, go ahead.

01:42:39.240 Yeah, so my closing statement is that, you know, look, it's human nature.

01:42:45.440 I am not an empiricist.

01:42:47.240 I don't think we need to consult the studies.

01:42:49.740 I think we know our nature.

01:42:51.400 I think God created a man and a woman.

01:42:53.300 We're created with two different reproductive faculties. 0.98

01:42:56.360 We're created with, as a result, different anatomies,

01:42:59.020 different natures, different dispositions.

01:43:01.180 We're made with complementarity.

01:43:03.260 Men and women are not only made differently,

01:43:05.580 they're made to complement each other,

01:43:06.960 which doesn't mean that they're necessarily opposites,

01:43:09.320 but it does mean that there's like reciprocal differences.

01:43:12.340 As a result of these essential immutable differences,

01:43:16.880 we should treat men and women differently. 0.93

01:43:19.200 And we do.

01:43:20.080 That's why we have things like chivalry.

01:43:22.140 That's why men don't hit women. 1.00

01:43:23.920 That's why men and women don't compete in the same sports. 0.93

01:43:27.000 And, you know, a lot of people understand that,

01:43:29.400 but then they don't understand why we would say we don't want a woman president 0.53

01:43:32.300 or why we wouldn't want to send women into combat 1.00

01:43:34.400 or why we think that men aren't badass bikers and whatever in the same way that men are.

01:43:39.940 But it all proceeds from the same essential complementary natures

01:43:44.200 that the two sexes were given by God.

01:43:46.780 To pretend that otherwise is to ignore our eyes and our experience

01:43:50.040 and what we know about ourselves and the people in our lives.

01:43:54.720 Dean, one minute.

01:43:55.660 Yeah, first of all, you said that's why men don't hit women.

01:44:00.880 Men do hit women. 1.00

01:44:02.560 It sucks. 1.00

01:44:03.840 Second of all, let's talk about why men are not better at leading than women. 0.99

01:44:08.440 Every single point that Nick Fuentes has gave

01:44:11.420 has been reduced to him telling us all

01:44:14.140 that Hitler is a better candidate for America's president today 0.99

01:44:17.760 compared to Kamala Harris or his very own wife. 0.99

01:44:20.020 I don't give a shit about the 12 or 13 year old little boys spamming one in Aiden's chat. 0.99

01:44:25.740 Anyone with half of a fucking brain cell can tell that this logic is not immutable 1.00

01:44:30.400 and it leads you to being a fucking in-cell RNC droid 1.00

01:44:34.340 repeating the same alternative media talking points that you got from Andrew fucking Tate. 0.99

01:44:39.520 The facts of the matter are, this guy said men are better at leading than women 0.99

01:44:44.100 because they're physically stronger.

01:44:45.780 Physical strength is not indicative of being better at leading.

01:44:48.960 Go talk to the biggest guy in your gym and see who would be better at leading.

01:44:52.940 This guy also brought up levels of emotion.

01:44:55.740 Men are more emotional than women. 0.99

01:44:57.040 We all know this.

01:44:57.760 That's why they commit vast majority of violent crimes.

01:45:00.400 That's why they commit vast majority of suicides.

01:45:02.520 That's why they abuse hard drugs more.

01:45:04.820 That's why they need to be a good evening, kidnapping, etc. more.

01:45:07.520 Another point that he brought up was intelligence.

01:45:09.620 Women have a higher IQ on average. 1.00

01:45:11.600 Let's face the facts, folks.

01:45:13.440 There's no evidence to believe that men are better at leading than women. 0.92

01:45:17.540 And I suggest you treat the women in your life damn well

01:45:20.760 and don't tell them to stay in the kitchen 0.97

01:45:22.960 or you're not going to get a wife. 1.00

01:45:24.760 That's not a 28-year-old Nick Quintade over here.

01:45:27.760 Hasn't been able to get a girlfriend since he was born.

01:45:30.580 That's why, folks.

01:45:31.760 That's why you're an incel.

01:45:33.500 But we're going to go ahead and move on now.

01:45:35.640 Okay, let's go back to Trump Kamala in the beginning. 0.93

01:45:38.180 We'll see who's stronger on immigration, Trump or Kamala.

01:45:44.980 We'll start with Dean.

01:45:47.260 Let's do two minutes.

01:45:48.200 We'll keep this one a little short.

01:45:49.160 A two-minute intro.

01:45:51.200 Yeah, sure.

01:45:51.720 Kamala Harris is stronger on immigration.

01:45:54.340 Well, this one's just evidently clear.

01:45:56.160 Donald Trump is pro-open borders.

01:46:00.160 Huh.

01:46:01.440 Why is Donald Trump pro-open borders?

01:46:04.020 Because he torpedoed a bipartisan border bill in the House and the Senate two years ago

01:46:09.660 drafted by a Trump-endorsed Republican by the name Lankford.

01:46:14.400 Okay?

01:46:15.140 Trump is pro-open borders right now

01:46:17.460 because he knows it's going to increase his chance of winning re-election.

01:46:20.480 Another thought here, if I was a conservative and I cared about immigration,

01:46:24.920 Donald Trump wouldn't be my guy.

01:46:26.920 He essentially passed no policy that effectively mitigated increasing numbers of border crossings

01:46:33.340 and entries into our country under his term. 0.98

01:46:36.060 The wall didn't do shit. 0.98

01:46:37.900 The remaining Mexico policy didn't do shit. 0.99

01:46:41.080 If you look at the graph behind Donald Trump at the rally that he got shot at, 0.97

01:46:44.980 he claimed that his clampdown on the southern border started with Title 42 in COVID.

01:46:49.320 The big public health emergency that Nick Fuentes over here probably thinks was a common cold

01:46:55.360 is the only reason that we had as low of border entries under Trump's administration as we did.

01:47:02.240 Kamala Harris, on the other hand, right,

01:47:04.300 she wants to send more funding to the courts on the borders 0.96

01:47:07.460 to expedite asylum-seeking processes to reduce undocumented migration in her country.

01:47:11.820 She's the only candidate in the race to prosecute transatlantic gangs.

01:47:16.780 But the moral of the story, the one point that I want to stick for Nick Fuentes over here to respond to,

01:47:23.280 is that Donald Trump is pro-open border because he torpedoed good border policy in the House and the Senate two years ago

01:47:30.340 because he wanted the crisis to continue and make the Democrats look bad.

01:47:35.460 Nick, you got two minutes.

01:47:37.220 All right.

01:47:37.760 Yeah, that's just like obviously out of touch with reality.

01:47:42.340 I knew he would go there, and that's why I want to talk about immigration.

01:47:46.300 I mean, you could make that case if history started in the year 2024

01:47:51.060 that Trump torpedoed the border bill and that's why the border is bad.

01:47:56.860 But, of course, time didn't start in 2024.

01:48:00.620 It started with immigration a long time ago.

01:48:04.180 Trump had a number of executive orders that curbed illegal border crossings.

01:48:09.000 It wasn't just the migrant protection protocols.

01:48:11.220 It was a number of others meant to close loopholes with catch and release,

01:48:14.800 and so they could return immigrants to third-party countries.

01:48:18.480 It wasn't just Title 42.

01:48:20.620 And the Biden administration undid all of them literally on the first day.

01:48:24.640 Trump built a border wall.

01:48:26.400 You say it did nothing.

01:48:27.600 Department of Homeland Security says actually it reduced crossings,

01:48:31.120 reduced drug trafficking over the border, reduced human smuggling over the border.

01:48:34.960 That's all true.

01:48:35.940 He built 386 miles of physical infrastructure,

01:48:39.280 and he did it, by the way, after Congress refused to give him the money,

01:48:43.280 after the Supreme Court, rather a federal judge,

01:48:46.000 tried to hold it up in the court system.

01:48:48.400 Finally, by the end of his term,

01:48:49.920 he was able to get the money from the DOD to build a border wall.

01:48:54.640 Biden stopped building it on day one.

01:48:56.660 Biden also effectively ended deportations.

01:48:59.720 There was a policy under Obama where they said they weren't going to prioritize

01:49:03.200 most illegal immigration for deportations.

01:49:06.440 Under Trump, they put an executive order that said,

01:49:08.920 we're going to prioritize all illegal immigrants for deportation.

01:49:12.380 Biden rescinded that executive order.

01:49:14.460 Trump had an executive order that said,

01:49:15.980 while you're waiting for your asylum claim to be adjudicated,

01:49:18.840 you wait in Mexico, not in the interior of the United States.

01:49:22.160 Biden rescinded that executive order.

01:49:24.740 Trump said, we will return you to one of the Northern Triangle countries,

01:49:28.960 a third-party country.

01:49:31.060 Biden rescinded that executive order.

01:49:33.380 As a result, illegal immigration under Biden is higher than at any point in history by far.

01:49:39.120 In the 10 years between 2010 and 2020, illegal border crossings,

01:49:43.340 only one year on average on a day-to-day basis were over 3,000 per day.

01:49:49.040 In the Biden administration, it was 4,000, 6,000, and now it's over 7,000 border crossings.

01:49:56.080 So it's almost three times the 10-year average,

01:49:59.180 and that's because they removed the Trump-era policies.

01:50:01.660 Now they want to blame it on a Senate bill this year?

01:50:04.100 I don't think so.

01:50:05.620 Thank you for all the information, Nick.

01:50:08.200 I'm going to have fun with this.

01:50:09.320 First of all, it's funny that you think you're so educated about the border,

01:50:12.780 and then you say that Lankford's bill was in the Senate in 2024.

01:50:16.100 No, that was 2023.

01:50:18.340 It started drafting in late 2021.

01:50:20.740 Secondly, you mentioned all the policies that Trump enacted that Biden repealed.

01:50:26.100 First of all, if you look at the border crossings under Donald Trump's presidency,

01:50:31.380 they went up year by year by year until Title 42 is implemented.

01:50:37.080 What does that tell us?

01:50:38.560 Immigration after these great policies didn't go down.

01:50:42.080 What else do we know is that these policies weren't in place under Obama's administration.

01:50:48.520 Did we have a border crisis to the same degree that we have now under Obama's administration?

01:50:53.400 No, at points we had lower crossings than we had under Trump.

01:50:57.280 Phenomenal.

01:50:58.040 What does this tell us?

01:50:59.360 Is that Biden repealing those policies didn't cause the crisis to start.

01:51:04.320 So what did?

01:51:05.540 That's a great question.

01:51:06.600 Well, let's treat Title 42, the total and complete shutdown caused by or implemented

01:51:12.340 because of the public health emergency, like a dam on a river, okay?

01:51:16.480 And that dam sat on the river for a year and a half, two years, however long it was.

01:51:21.060 When you remove the dam from the river, what happens?

01:51:24.280 Water gushes through.

01:51:26.200 When Title 42 expired, guess what?

01:51:29.120 All of those migrants that had been backlogged gushed through. 0.99

01:51:32.820 This was natural, normal, and expected.

01:51:35.080 We should evaluate the responsibility and the efficacy of our current administration

01:51:39.600 based upon their response to this crisis being caused by the revocal of Title 42.

01:51:44.620 And what was their response?

01:51:45.900 To implement bipartisan border legislation.

01:51:49.080 And the first step they took was to influence exactly that through the House and the Senate.

01:51:53.320 That was Lankford's bill.

01:51:55.160 What happened next?

01:51:56.380 Trump calls the Republicans in the House and the Senate, tells them to vote against it,

01:51:59.540 torpedoes the bill.

01:52:00.320 Nick over here knows the story.

01:52:01.620 But I would like to ask you a very crystal clear question, Nick, and it is in the sense

01:52:06.780 of a hypothetical.

01:52:08.220 If your house is burning down and the fire truck shows up to put out the fire and you

01:52:12.620 tell the fire truck to turn around because you want the house to burn so you can claim 0.97

01:52:17.080 the insurance money, Nick Fuentes, did you care about the house?

01:52:21.780 Well, it's an incorrect hypothetical because the bill would actually concretize the Biden

01:52:29.260 era policies.

01:52:30.760 The bill does not secure the border.

01:52:32.740 So the premise fails on that alone.

01:52:36.300 And the way that I'd respond to that.

01:52:37.840 Do you know?

01:52:38.260 Wait, let me ask you.

01:52:39.260 Do you know the details of the bill?

01:52:40.900 Can you tell me the provisions that are in the bill, please?

01:52:43.660 Oh, I could tell you a handful.

01:52:45.400 Like, what was it?

01:52:46.280 Like an additional $500 million towards the courts on the border to expedite asylum seeking

01:52:50.200 claims.

01:52:50.860 Then we also had like some rolling average daily caps and weekly caps in which the president

01:52:56.240 could then step the press order down.

01:52:58.300 I think it was like $5,000 a day for like the weekly cap.

01:53:02.000 But here's my response to that.

01:53:03.780 You said that the average over the administration was like $7,000 or $9,000 a day, whatever you

01:53:08.320 said it was.

01:53:09.180 If you were starving and I offered you a hamburger, would you take it or would you say, no, I

01:53:14.660 want a bacon wrapped filet? 1.00

01:53:16.200 You take the damn hamburger. 1.00

01:53:17.680 So when the border crisis is exuberantly high and we have this bipartisan border legislation 1.00

01:53:23.060 that the alt-right, like Nick Fuentes, isn't happy about, any rational, sane person would

01:53:27.740 take the bill to decrease the impact of the crisis.

01:53:30.680 All right.

01:53:31.040 Now, let me respond to that now because you went on your whole thing about, you know,

01:53:35.040 you corrected me on some of these things.

01:53:36.540 You never answered my question.

01:53:38.560 Well, because the premise of the question is wrong, but I'll answer it now.

01:53:41.960 Well, it wasn't wrong.

01:53:42.500 You want me to answer these like false hypotheticals and syllogisms, but that's not really how a

01:53:47.240 debate works, actually.

01:53:48.740 Or if, you know, if passing this bill is like putting out a fire, would you pass the bill?

01:53:54.320 Okay.

01:53:55.560 So first of all, you said the bill was from 2023.

01:53:59.980 The bill failed in 2024.

01:54:01.480 And that's because it resulted from the impasse over appropriations in September 2023.

01:54:08.460 There was an impasse in Congress over 12 military appropriations bills.

01:54:13.180 The deadline was October 1st.

01:54:14.880 It's why Kevin McCarthy was removed because the Freedom Caucus, specifically the MAGA caucus 0.97

01:54:19.500 within it, insisted on what they were calling, I forget the name of it, but a certain border

01:54:25.780 provision in the spending bill.

01:54:27.260 McCarthy wouldn't go for it, and they kept passing continuing resolutions until a bipartisan

01:54:33.580 agreement was put together in the Senate.

01:54:35.680 But at that point, and that was in February, Mitch McConnell said, my first priority is Ukraine

01:54:41.020 because that was the other sticking point in negotiations.

01:54:44.140 So the Republicans, because they wanted Ukraine aid to pass, which was another subject of the

01:54:49.820 impasse, they said, fine, fine.

01:54:51.420 Here's your border concessions.

01:54:52.880 And I'll tell you the provisions because you don't know.

01:54:54.800 It said that it would only mandate enforcement of the border when daily apprehensions hit more

01:55:01.080 than 8,000 per day.

01:55:02.780 Again, the average of the past 20 years is 2,000 to 3,000 per day.

01:55:07.860 It would say you only have to enforce.

01:55:11.040 That's what the bill says.

01:55:12.440 The bill says 8,000 per day.

01:55:15.020 It says that the administration can get emergency authority at 5,000 per day on average over a

01:55:23.920 seven-day period.

01:55:25.020 But it only mandates.

01:55:26.700 Another lie.

01:55:27.160 No, no.

01:55:28.100 Not a lie.

01:55:28.760 It mandates enforcement at 8,000.

01:55:31.200 It's 5,000 for one day for lockdown.

01:55:33.120 Excuse me.

01:55:33.480 I'll let you finish your nonsense when you said it was in 23 when it wasn't.

01:55:37.500 So you're wrong about that.

01:55:39.120 It mandates it at 8,000 per day.

01:55:41.200 What's more, again, the daily averages for 20 years, 10, 20 years, was 2,000 to 3,000.

01:55:47.940 Under the Biden administration, it goes up past 7,000.

01:55:51.300 They want to say, well, 5,000, you get emergency powers.

01:55:55.820 8,000, you have to use emergency powers.

01:55:58.800 That's far too many.

01:56:00.300 There's been—and this whole argument about a backlog because of Title 42, 10 million illegal

01:56:05.740 immigrants have come in under Biden.

01:56:08.040 Title 42 is implemented.

01:56:09.240 When did the lockdown happen, March 2020?

01:56:12.080 You think 10 million illegals were trying to get in in the nine-month period between March

01:56:17.000 and December of 2020?

01:56:18.840 Biden undid all the policies in January 2021.

01:56:22.060 So that's just like an ad hoc.

01:56:23.940 You're just fishing around for an answer.

01:56:25.520 With regard to the Trump administration, you can see very clearly cause and effect on immigration.

01:56:31.240 When Trump was elected, illegal immigration went down because foreigners anticipated that

01:56:36.140 there would be enforcement.

01:56:37.080 So—and you can see throughout the history of the country, when they threaten enforcement,

01:56:42.120 illegals don't come. 1.00

01:56:43.040 When they think they'll get amnesty or they think they'll get in, more of them arrive.

01:56:46.660 So they thought Trump was going to be a hardliner in immigration.

01:56:49.440 They didn't come.

01:56:50.420 Then, in September and October 2017, Trump floated a DACA amnesty.

01:56:55.600 He said, we're going to give amnesty to all the deferred action on childhood arrivals.

01:56:58.780 The reason that matters is because children being brought over the border is one of the

01:57:03.620 three big loopholes for how illegals are caught and released into the country.

01:57:08.000 They bring children that aren't there and all kinds of other things.

01:57:11.540 So Trump said, we'll give an amnesty.

01:57:13.100 Then, all of a sudden, they started getting caravans from the Northern Triangle in the spring

01:57:17.340 of 2018 because he said amnesty.

01:57:19.740 They heard it.

01:57:20.420 They started to come.

01:57:21.240 Trump maintained a zero-tolerance policy promulgated then by Jeff Sessions, and they

01:57:27.320 said, we're going to separate the children.

01:57:29.500 We're going to treat them as unaccompanied minors. 0.98

01:57:31.760 There was a huge media outcry before the election.

01:57:34.960 They had to reverse it, and then after they reversed it, it exploded.

01:57:39.100 And May and June 2019, they hit a peak.

01:57:41.900 Trump implemented the migrant protection protocols by threatening sanctions or rather tariffs against

01:57:46.840 Mexico, and then it came down again.

01:57:48.940 And that is the story of illegal immigration in Trump and the Biden years.

01:57:54.100 It has everything to do.

01:57:55.280 It has everything to do with the Biden policies.

01:57:59.260 They let in 10 million people, and then they float out this half-assed bill.

01:58:03.340 Wait, what policy the Biden years and policy get passed?

01:58:05.420 Let me finish.

01:58:06.820 They put out this half-assed bill in the last year because everyone agrees the border's a

01:58:12.140 crisis.

01:58:12.520 They concretize it and basically make legal, in codifying federal law, Biden's policy to

01:58:20.200 let 5,000 people a day on average here.

01:58:22.560 And then when Republicans voted against it, they said, oh, Republicans are against border

01:58:26.020 security.

01:58:26.820 It's a political thing.

01:58:28.100 Even Democrats acknowledge that.

01:58:29.600 It's totally fake.

01:58:31.060 You could keep going with it, but everyone knows it's fake.

01:58:33.360 OK, well, apparently Trump doesn't.

01:58:36.340 He said at a rally in Nevada to blame it on him if the border bill fails.

01:58:40.700 So I think that Trump's big mouth actually does him a lot of harm because I just used

01:58:46.600 Trump's own word of mouth to debunk Nick Fuentes supporting Trump.

01:58:51.780 So, yeah, see, that's the face of a losing man.

01:58:54.540 And you said that you were perfectly painted.

01:58:55.820 OK, well, I don't I don't appreciate your use of the slurs, but I guess that's what

01:59:00.780 emotionally immature men, when someone smarter than them, lays down the truth.

01:59:05.760 Isn't that right, sir?

01:59:07.260 Ten minutes on the topic.

01:59:08.620 We made jokes.

01:59:09.500 Men are funny.

01:59:10.320 Men are funny. 0.77

01:59:11.020 Women are not funny. 1.00

01:59:11.880 That's another advantage. 0.98

01:59:12.920 But that's the other debate.

01:59:14.320 Are you a woman?

01:59:15.560 You could call it emotionally immature. 0.80

01:59:17.560 Oh, my gosh.

01:59:18.340 He said he said the R word.

01:59:20.320 That's what happens when emotionally immature male.

01:59:23.340 I'm sorry.

01:59:23.860 I'm sorry.

01:59:24.160 Go ahead, according to your head on immigration, according to your logic.

01:59:28.400 But I would like to specifically clarify that your comment about men being more funny than 1.00

01:59:33.080 women was just another unfunny, false fucking comment by an immature man. 0.99

01:59:37.920 I didn't find it that fucking funny when you were telling us that the Holocaust was fake 1.00

01:59:43.500 and that it's man, people didn't die. 0.98

01:59:45.820 I didn't find it that fucking funny when you sat here and you told me that Trump didn't 0.92

01:59:52.040 torpedoed the border bill, even though he said he did at a rally in Nevada. 0.99

01:59:56.560 If men were so much more funny than women, then why are you the most unfunny fucking 1.00

02:00:01.680 specimen that I've ever had the displeasure of sitting across the damn phone with? 1.00

02:00:06.080 Why are you mad, dude? 0.99

02:00:07.500 Why are you just having a debate?

02:00:08.980 Wait, who's funnier, Trump or Kamala?

02:00:12.720 Who's funnier?

02:00:13.460 Be honest.

02:00:14.100 Trump is funnier than Kamala Harris.

02:00:15.800 Case in point, I win the debate.

02:00:19.200 Men funnier than women. 1.00

02:00:20.620 Oh, okay.

02:00:21.340 You heard it here first.

02:00:22.580 You understand the reason I'd say that Trump is funnier than Kamala Harris is because-

02:00:26.660 Yeah, because he's a guy. 1.00

02:00:27.800 No, because he has the IQ of your fucking family pet and he sits on Twitter all day and 0.99

02:00:33.420 he rants about how much he hates Taylor Swift just because he endorsed Kamala Harris. 1.00

02:00:38.240 That was funny.

02:00:39.100 She endorsed Kamala Harris.

02:00:40.020 It's not a funny and a ha-ha. 1.00

02:00:41.660 It's a funny and a look at this guy fucking burn. 0.99

02:00:44.340 Dude, why? 1.00

02:00:46.740 It's always like this diminutive, it's funny because it's sad, because you're a sad little-

02:00:51.460 It was, dude, he's- the president tweeted in all caps, I hate Taylor Swift.

02:00:55.860 You don't think that's funny?

02:00:57.100 You don't think that's not hilarious?

02:00:58.920 Wait, the president, do you think that Trump won 2020?

02:01:01.340 The former, I said the former president.

02:01:03.240 But do you think Trump won 2020?

02:01:04.980 100% he did.

02:01:06.140 That's a fact.

02:01:07.160 Can you name one court case that would find-

02:01:09.500 No, because they threw all the courts, they threw all the cases out because they lack standing.

02:01:13.900 Okay, so is it okay to believe in things without evidence?

02:01:16.640 There is evidence.

02:01:17.740 You asked about court cases, but the court cases weren't lost.

02:01:20.800 They were thrown out because they didn't have standing.

02:01:22.700 There's a difference.

02:01:23.200 So there's not any evidence.

02:01:26.040 No, there is evidence.

02:01:27.460 So what's the evidence of the widespread voter fraud in 2020?

02:01:29.660 The evidence is this.

02:01:31.460 Do you know how many people voted early in the 2016 election?

02:01:35.220 Do you know what percentage?

02:01:37.080 Significantly less than in the 2020 election.

02:01:39.140 Correct.

02:01:39.680 Half.

02:01:40.180 35%.

02:01:40.920 And in 2020, it was 70%.

02:01:43.160 Okay, so that's your evidence that Trump had the election stolen from him?

02:01:46.060 Well, hey, let me-

02:01:48.120 Whoa, why so hasty?

02:01:50.060 Let's just talk about it.

02:01:51.440 I'm sorry.

02:01:51.860 I'm having fun, man.

02:01:52.600 The amount of early voting doubled because they changed the rules.

02:01:59.880 In all the states, they changed the rules.

02:02:01.940 In Pennsylvania, North Carolina, they illegally changed the rules with state election boards,

02:02:07.160 with the state Supreme Court.

02:02:08.520 In Wisconsin, they changed indefinitely confined status to mean anybody because of the pandemic.

02:02:14.020 They solicited ballots.

02:02:15.240 I literally got a ballot in Illinois for my uncle who has been dead for 20 years because

02:02:21.140 they were soliciting ballots.

02:02:22.900 And I would just say if you-

02:02:24.040 And let me ask you this.

02:02:25.660 If democracy is so sacred, which you believe, you know, Kamala is going to protect and preserve

02:02:30.120 our democracy, we're not going back.

02:02:31.960 Only because Trump tried to overthrow it with a fake election.

02:02:33.900 But if democracy is so precious, then a ballot is a precious thing because a ballot is the

02:02:40.360 currency of the election.

02:02:41.260 Do you think that it's good practice to ship out ballots to every voter and then tell them

02:02:47.160 to dump them off in a drop box in a park unsupervised for a month at any time during

02:02:52.140 the day?

02:02:52.640 You think that's a good way to run an election?

02:02:54.920 Yeah.

02:02:55.440 Okay.

02:02:55.780 I mean, then Trump shouldn't have voted, right?

02:02:57.400 Well, is it?

02:02:57.960 I'm asking you.

02:02:58.680 Is it?

02:02:59.060 That's what happened.

02:03:00.060 Yeah.

02:03:00.240 I think that mail-in ballots can be made secure.

02:03:02.320 I understand like your immediate like response to them saying that, oh, if I use these words

02:03:06.360 in this particular way, this doesn't seem like-

02:03:08.340 Well, just answer.

02:03:09.120 I mean, do you think that's a good way to run an election?

02:03:10.800 Obviously not.

02:03:12.020 It's obvious.

02:03:13.020 It is.

02:03:13.440 And the empirics would agree with me.

02:03:14.660 There's no sufficient evidence of widespread voter fraud.

02:03:16.980 All the audits that were done on the outcome of the 2020 election indicated that it was

02:03:20.540 a safe election recorded U.S. history.

02:03:22.820 Donald Trump-

02:03:22.960 Where do they conduct audits?

02:03:24.420 One moment.

02:03:24.960 Donald Trump wants to 63 handpicked courts with 34 of those judges being Republican appointed,

02:03:30.560 17 of those judges being appointed by himself.

02:03:33.020 All 63 of those courts ruled that there was no sufficient evidence and threw it out on the

02:03:37.060 basis of no standing.

02:03:38.240 And then Donald Trump even tried to form his own election integrity committee and bumped

02:03:43.220 millions of dollars into them to find absolutely anything. 0.97

02:03:47.760 They came up with a 2000 Mules movie, which the producers admitted in fucking court that 0.98

02:03:52.180 they were lying. 0.95

02:03:52.920 And when he found out that he had no evidence, what did he do?

02:03:56.400 He went to the DOJ with Bill Barr and tried to pressure him in to falsely announcing widespread

02:04:02.500 voter fraud when there wasn't any.

02:04:04.660 And if you know anything about your history, Bill Barr had to resign from the DOJ because

02:04:10.400 half of the DOJ threatened to quit if he didn't.

02:04:13.440 Donald Trump not only tried to rig the outcome of the 2020 election with the fake electorate

02:04:20.520 plot, sending seven different states of fake electorates to seven different states to cast

02:04:25.080 fake votes into Congress to either be certified as real by Mike Pence or to be accepted by the

02:04:31.320 House if Mike Pence were to claim ignorance.

02:04:33.680 But he also lied about the outcome.

02:04:36.260 Your conspiracy theory that Donald Trump won is has no evidence for it.

02:04:40.820 And the only thing you could come up with was Pennsylvania changing their voting rules because

02:04:44.760 of covid, which, by the way, was ruled as legal by the Supreme Court.

02:04:48.380 You just like not even listening.

02:04:49.680 It was Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Wisconsin.

02:04:51.580 And basically every and they all did it illegally.

02:04:54.660 Basically, every state change rules of the election.

02:04:57.280 And I would say you're telling me, oh, putting 70 percent of the voters voting early by putting

02:05:02.780 them in mailboxes a month out from the election and an unsupervised drop box.

02:05:07.520 You're saying that is a good idea.

02:05:09.660 You're just putting words in a particular order.

02:05:11.420 Look, they don't do it like that in France because, you know, we didn't do it here in 0.84

02:05:15.180 America.

02:05:16.000 The absentee voting was so rare up until like 20 years ago, up until four years ago, because

02:05:21.240 it's so prone to fraud.

02:05:22.960 Obviously, when you vote in person, you got to have evidence that it's not.

02:05:27.180 Hang on.

02:05:27.500 I just I let you just go.

02:05:29.440 You let me.

02:05:29.820 You got to present your I.D.

02:05:31.180 You receive your ballot.

02:05:32.380 They watch you.

02:05:33.580 You go into a room with curtains on it because there's privacy involved to you.

02:05:38.060 Fill it out and you submit it.

02:05:39.120 It's called a chain of custody, meaning a supervisor watches the voter get their ballot, fill it out

02:05:45.160 and return it.

02:05:46.180 It doesn't happen when you're doing so-called in-person absentee voting.

02:05:49.880 And that's how 70 percent of people voted.

02:05:52.060 That's a big problem.

02:05:53.260 It's a big problem.

02:05:54.260 They changed the rules without doing it in the constitutional way.

02:05:57.780 It's a big problem that those cases weren't even considered in the Supreme Court.

02:06:01.200 It's also a big problem.

02:06:02.100 By the way, they didn't do an independent ballot audit in almost any of the states.

02:06:06.260 They did one in Arizona.

02:06:07.700 It was flawed.

02:06:08.860 They still found Georgia conducted independent ballot audit.

02:06:11.860 Where did they conduct an independent?

02:06:13.420 It wasn't independent.

02:06:14.380 They did a read Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Michigan, New Jersey.

02:06:19.700 And Oklahoma.

02:06:20.980 That's just wrong.

02:06:21.800 I knew that this is wrong.

02:06:24.220 I knew that you would say that.

02:06:25.320 I knew that you would say this is wrong.

02:06:27.260 Search up U.S. state's election assistant commission, election audits across the United

02:06:32.400 States.

02:06:33.120 It will give you an entire PDF.

02:06:34.620 They're not independent.

02:06:35.760 That's the problem.

02:06:36.340 The use of audits, the timing, the policies, the case studies, and the state-specific information

02:06:40.120 indicating that, yes, these were independent audits.

02:06:42.560 It's like you're just not even listening.

02:06:43.600 So free to look through them.

02:06:44.600 I didn't say they didn't do audits or recounts.

02:06:47.140 In no state other than Arizona did they conduct an independent audit of the ballots.

02:06:52.000 Of course, if the same people that oversaw the fraud and were covering up the windows 0.99

02:06:57.220 in the stadium in Detroit, of course the state is going to cover its own ass. 0.97

02:07:01.780 That's why it needs to be independent. 0.97

02:07:02.880 And they didn't do it in any state, even though that's what we were asking for.

02:07:05.940 And by the way, about fake electors, they're not fake.

02:07:09.520 What do you mean by independent?

02:07:11.180 Independent meaning not conducted by the state.

02:07:14.380 Oh, okay.

02:07:15.260 Independent of the state.

02:07:16.640 So I just want to clarify.

02:07:18.040 So you think that Donald Trump shouldn't have went to like the 17 judges that he appointed

02:07:22.120 because those weren't independent judges?

02:07:23.080 So now you're just gish-galloping onto something else. 0.57

02:07:25.320 You said, oh, I was ready for you to say that.

02:07:27.420 I have all this evidence.

02:07:28.560 Oh, I didn't listen.

02:07:29.660 And you said independent.

02:07:30.980 Anyway, how about judges or something?

02:07:33.760 Anyway.

02:07:34.680 Let's get back on topic, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean.

02:07:36.760 Hold on, hold on, hon. 0.80

02:07:37.420 We've been going back and forth about January 6th.

02:07:39.620 This topic is about immigration.

02:07:41.380 Let's go to closing statements here.

02:07:43.240 We'll do one minute from Dean and then one minute from Nick.

02:07:45.400 So closing statements.

02:07:46.400 You can bring up January 6th, but let's keep it to immigration if you can. 0.99

02:07:49.340 Actually, I'll give you 90 seconds to reel it back a little.

02:07:51.420 90 seconds each.

02:07:52.020 About the specific ballot audits?

02:07:54.980 I didn't know what you meant when you're referencing independent audits.

02:07:58.620 I understand that you are now referencing audits independent of the state.

02:08:01.740 I asked you to define your term, and I understand that.

02:08:04.740 Because you're on chat GPT Democrat mode.

02:08:07.240 Let's give them 90 seconds. 0.60

02:08:09.240 Let's give them 90 seconds and uninterrupted.

02:08:10.940 I'll restart your time, Dean.

02:08:11.840 No, I just don't think that an audit done by a state can automatically be discounted because

02:08:18.940 you exist in an echo chamber of conspiratorial hearsay, and you start off with a basis, Trump

02:08:25.620 can never lose, you move to the basis, when Trump loses, no, he didn't, and then tangent

02:08:31.240 of that, you say all of these audits done by independent states are there by null and void,

02:08:37.560 and I shouldn't listen to them, nor the 63 courts.

02:08:40.500 It's just conspiracy theory.

02:08:42.340 That's what you are. 0.99

02:08:43.220 Your mind's been rotted. 0.99

02:08:44.360 Everyone agrees with me. 0.81

02:08:45.500 No one agrees with you apart from Donald Trump, not even his old VP, my sense, or 44 of the

02:08:50.820 46 former cabinet members, and that needs to be pointed out.

02:08:54.520 Now, closing statements about immigration specifically, was that what you asked for,

02:08:58.240 Sneeko?

02:08:59.520 Yeah.

02:09:00.420 I thought it was 90 seconds each on J6, and then closing statements.

02:09:03.820 Yeah, I'm down for that.

02:09:04.380 I'm down for that.

02:09:05.140 I kind of like this conversation.

02:09:06.300 Yeah, that's fine.

02:09:07.320 Go ahead.

02:09:07.660 Okay, let me do mine now on J6.

02:09:09.620 So, you know, here's the thing about the Trump election.

02:09:13.420 They doubled the number of early voting.

02:09:15.940 There's obvious flaws with chain of custody.

02:09:18.380 Like, it just doesn't even pass the smell test.

02:09:20.640 On that basis alone, you just can't take the authenticity of the election.

02:09:24.480 And people say it's about, you believe Trump can never lose.

02:09:27.660 I don't think that at all.

02:09:28.640 I think Trump may lose in 2024.

02:09:30.780 But you have to recognize that 2020 was an anomalous election.

02:09:35.000 So, when there is an anomaly, when every state changes how they conduct their ballot, when

02:09:39.740 there's an unprecedented, the former peak of early voting was 35%.

02:09:44.400 It was 70% in 2020.

02:09:46.880 It was different.

02:09:47.900 When something is different, you have to investigate it.

02:09:50.160 That's the basis of an inquiry.

02:09:52.100 Problem is, nobody wanted to investigate it.

02:09:54.780 As quickly as the election happened, they wanted to shut it down.

02:09:57.500 They censored people for talking about it.

02:09:59.540 They didn't conduct independent ballot audits.

02:10:01.780 And there was even a Time magazine piece that came out in January 2021.

02:10:06.640 And it said, this is the conspiracy to shut down the election deniers.

02:10:10.600 And there was like a full spectrum attack from the Democrats and the left on protesters,

02:10:16.460 on people that were investigating this to prevent them from trying to decertify,

02:10:21.460 trying to send on other slates of electors.

02:10:24.060 And I would point out, it is the state legislature's constitutional authority to send electors.

02:10:30.180 If they throw out the election because they don't want to certify it and appoint a different

02:10:33.760 slate of electors, that's their constitutional right to do so.

02:10:36.620 That's just the law.

02:10:37.880 And I would just say, look, if you really believe that 80 million people voted for Biden,

02:10:42.600 that the 2020 election had more voters than any election in history by far,

02:10:47.180 and it just happened to be the one where there was all mail-in ballots.

02:10:50.200 10 seconds, Nick. 1.00

02:10:50.980 Then, yeah, I just think you're dumb. 0.99

02:10:52.860 I mean, so that's kind of my closing statement on J6. 0.98

02:10:56.440 Let's go closing statements on immigration.

02:10:58.640 Let's do one minute each on immigration.

02:10:59.980 Go ahead, Dean.

02:11:01.240 Cool.

02:11:01.540 I'm just, you could take this off of my time.

02:11:03.720 Well, you told me that your whole theory here is reliant on a smell test. 1.00

02:11:08.220 Nick, I fucking smell bullshit. 1.00

02:11:10.500 We shouldn't be relying on our intuitions and our emotions to tell us who won the 2020 election. 1.00

02:11:15.760 I think that conservatives are so funny because they'll be like, listen to the science.

02:11:19.680 Trans women aren't women. 1.00

02:11:20.540 I don't care about what you think or feel you have X, Y, X, X chromosomes, 1.00

02:11:24.040 but then sit over here and give me some bullshit smell test to dictate who won in 2020. 1.00

02:11:28.840 About immigration specifically, I think it's evidently clear that Donald Trump doesn't care 0.96

02:11:32.980 about the southern border or else he wouldn't have torpedoed the bipartisan border bill in the

02:11:36.500 House and the Senate two years ago. 0.99

02:11:37.740 I think that it's evidently clear that he's not about getting shit done. 0.92

02:11:41.120 He's repeating the same Republican tagline that every Republican in the last 20 years has with 0.99

02:11:45.760 quote unquote, deport them all. 0.83

02:11:47.640 My question to you would be, why didn't Bush?

02:11:50.060 They can't do it.

02:11:50.820 It's practically infeasible. 0.70

02:11:51.980 I say that we deport all violent undocumented migrants and then give the rest a pathway to 1.00

02:11:57.260 residency and their citizenship, fix our southern border, make it faster, make it quicker and 0.96

02:12:02.300 make it safer and then crack down further on undocumented migration when our legal systems

02:12:07.220 are up to par.

02:12:07.880 10 seconds.

02:12:09.080 Deport them all, right?

02:12:10.500 Get rid of $1.7 trillion from our economy over the next 10 years.

02:12:14.700 You don't care about the debt.

02:12:16.020 You don't care about the state of the economy.

02:12:17.840 You don't care about the workers in the economy. 1.00

02:12:19.660 All that you care about is spewing your fucking prejudice. 1.00

02:12:22.400 You're doing the same thing with undocumented migrants now that you did with gay people and 1.00

02:12:26.180 women 30 minutes ago. 1.00

02:12:27.780 Take it away.

02:12:28.860 Closing statement, Nick.

02:12:29.640 One minute.

02:12:30.820 Basket of deplorables, right?

02:12:32.480 It was just a basket of deplorables.

02:12:34.660 With regard to immigration, everybody knows.

02:12:37.040 Biden threw open the border.

02:12:38.720 He rescinded every Trump executive order on immigration.

02:12:41.640 He stopped construction of the wall.

02:12:43.140 He effectively stopped deportations.

02:12:45.680 Guess what happens?

02:12:46.820 You get a lot of people.

02:12:48.040 You get 10 million illegals in four years.

02:12:50.300 That's insane.

02:12:51.380 10 million people in four years from Venezuela, from Haiti, from Africa, from we don't even

02:12:58.220 know who they are.

02:12:59.200 The people that are coming here, they don't buy health care.

02:13:02.520 They don't have a high school education.

02:13:04.620 They have no resources.

02:13:05.780 They're a massive drain on the economy.

02:13:08.500 When they need health care, they go to the emergency room.

02:13:11.000 They send their kids to public schools.

02:13:12.820 It's a huge drain.

02:13:13.720 And many states are eligible for SNAP.

02:13:15.840 They're eligible for other benefits.

02:13:17.740 And they work low wages.

02:13:19.320 Because they're not educated, they work low-skill, low-paying jobs.

02:13:22.460 They will never in a million years, maybe in a million, but they won't pay off in taxes,

02:13:26.880 what they receive in services.

02:13:28.620 It's a big fiscal impact.

02:13:29.820 But they're, in many cases, they're criminals.

02:13:32.280 They don't share a culture. 1.00

02:13:33.440 They're low IQ. 0.99

02:13:35.000 And we cannot, I mean, it's just obvious that this border bill thing was an ass-saving 0.99

02:13:39.300 move. 0.97

02:13:39.720 They poison-pilled it with a bunch of nonsense so that they could blame it on Trump. 0.83

02:13:43.420 But we all know the reality.

02:13:44.700 And it's wrecking our country.

02:13:46.760 Okay, thank you.

02:13:47.500 That was five topics.

02:13:48.420 I think this was a good spirited debate overall.

02:13:50.460 I appreciate both of your time.

02:13:51.520 Aiden, do you have any thoughts?

02:13:52.840 You guys were, well, I would say about 90% of it, you guys respected each other's time

02:13:59.420 speaking and stuff.

02:14:00.320 And it was awesome.

02:14:00.920 It was great.

02:14:01.580 Great conversations.

02:14:02.560 Great defense.

02:14:04.380 Great offense.

02:14:05.100 It's the first time I've ever done one of these.

02:14:06.100 And it felt really, really cool.

02:14:07.000 I'm going to definitely do more of this.

02:14:09.120 How do you guys feel?

02:14:10.080 We'll start with you, Dean.

02:14:10.700 How would you feel overall about this debate?

02:14:12.160 Yeah, I mean, like, oh, you got a little bit of an echo there.

02:14:17.040 Oh, sorry.

02:14:17.460 Go ahead.

02:14:18.460 No, dude, you're all good.

02:14:19.540 I mean, I think overall, like, I'll first just kind of give my thoughts about, you know,

02:14:23.020 just having the debate on your platform.

02:14:25.120 Dude, I think that was, like, really, really, really cool.

02:14:27.800 I like the idea of exposing more people to what I believe in and why.

02:14:31.020 I ultimately think if everyone thought like me, the world would be better off.

02:14:34.200 And you kind of gave me more of an opportunity to achieve that.

02:14:37.660 All things considered, you know, it's good to have, you know, like, a conversation about

02:14:41.680 why people disagree.

02:14:42.860 These conversations need to be held more.

02:14:44.960 I'd say that you're overall doing a good thing here.

02:14:47.620 I think that I did pretty well as well.

02:14:49.680 Nick, specifically to you, I think for a lot of it, you know, you're a pretty disingenuous

02:14:56.560 debater, but I'll keep my personal qualms to myself.

02:14:59.340 I appreciate you for the conversation over the course of the last hour and a half.

02:15:04.640 And then, Aiden, maybe you're at the end.

02:15:07.360 I wanted to throw my socials out there for all the people in chat that may want them after

02:15:10.860 watching me debate, but I'll leave it off until later.

02:15:13.840 Cool.

02:15:14.320 Thank you so much, bro.

02:15:15.160 I appreciate that, Dean.

02:15:15.960 All right.

02:15:16.280 And what about you, Nick?

02:15:17.960 What would you like to say to the people?

02:15:21.180 And last words to Dean.

02:15:22.500 Go ahead.

02:15:23.900 Well, thanks for having me on.

02:15:25.500 I thought it was a lot of fun.

02:15:27.540 It's very informative.

02:15:28.820 People get to learn about the topics.

02:15:30.240 That's how you learn about an issue.

02:15:31.500 You know, you have to hear both sides.

02:15:34.040 That wasn't nice.

02:15:35.100 I don't think I was disingenuous.

02:15:36.420 I'm funny, okay, and I'm a little sarcastic sometimes, but I think it's pretty clear to

02:15:41.320 differentiate.

02:15:42.980 You know, I think he's a young guy.

02:15:46.300 Fundamentally, I think a lot of the partisan debates are kind of, they're too shallow.

02:15:50.300 I think that we all kind of go through a phase when we're young.

02:15:53.380 And not to, like, son you, I'm unk status now, but, like, we all go through a phase when

02:15:58.240 we're teenagers.

02:15:59.180 We're precocious, have a political disposition, and, you know, we kind of rush for, like, I'm

02:16:05.440 a Republican.

02:16:06.020 I'm a Democrat.

02:16:06.840 The Republicans are good. 0.73

02:16:07.780 The Democrats are bad.

02:16:09.300 The reality of politics is that Democrats and Republicans are really on the same side.

02:16:13.840 And Republicans are one wing, and they're meant to create the illusion of opposition

02:16:18.480 or dynamism where there really isn't any.

02:16:21.160 And the personnel and the policies turn over from one administration to the next.

02:16:25.860 There's very little difference.

02:16:27.120 And I think that's even largely true in this election.

02:16:29.220 And people get caught up in rhetoric and these appeals to emotion, slogans.

02:16:33.440 People have to really follow the money.

02:16:35.420 They need to look at things like imports and exports.

02:16:38.340 They need to look at energy.

02:16:39.440 They need to look at institutional capture.

02:16:41.920 That's where you really discern the truth.

02:16:43.560 So these kinds of intramural debates are fun.

02:16:45.560 We go back and forth, but it's so much deeper.

02:16:48.160 It's such a complex subject.

02:16:49.320 But it's good that people are interested in it.

02:16:51.440 And I appreciate Dean for coming on.

02:16:54.180 I hope that he keeps reading.

02:16:55.900 Keep reading.

02:16:56.860 Keep learning.

02:16:57.960 You know, in 10 years, I guarantee you, you'll have a totally different viewpoint.

02:17:01.020 Maybe you're still left wing, but you'll have a different viewpoint for sure.

02:17:04.060 I heard that when I was young.

02:17:05.380 I didn't believe it.

02:17:06.180 And then it was true.

02:17:07.000 I only became more right wing.

02:17:08.880 But you have to have that curiosity.

02:17:11.100 I was a Trump supporter when I was 16.

02:17:13.420 I'm sure you will.

02:17:14.160 But yeah, so I thought it was great.

02:17:18.300 Wait, sorry, Dean, you caught off.

02:17:19.360 You said you were a Trump supporter when you were 16?

02:17:22.000 Oh, dude, I used to be a vehement Trump supporter.

02:17:24.940 Like Aiden, I was like, I was like, I was like, big Trump fan.

02:17:29.460 Like, like Andrew Tate guy. 0.99

02:17:31.640 I was like all of that shit. 0.96

02:17:33.400 You know, we could delve into the reasons why not super necessary for the live. 0.99

02:17:37.200 But I guess like the point is the only reason I brought that up is because seemingly I've had a more progressive trend the more that I've matured.

02:17:42.940 I gotcha.

02:17:44.800 Okay.

02:17:45.560 Well, you're going to ask him about a previous debate that Nick had on Twitch.

02:17:49.440 Nick, did you, I'm going to ask you too, Dean, about something as well.

02:17:52.900 Nick, did you previously debate Hassan Abhi on Twitch?

02:17:57.560 I did, yes.

02:17:58.740 And someone told me that you, that resulted in you getting banned on Twitch?

02:18:02.900 Yeah.

02:18:03.420 Yeah, that was the reason for my ban.

02:18:05.240 Destiny Mass reported me because he was on the debate as well.

02:18:09.020 Who won the debate in your, in the people's eyes?

02:18:12.420 Me.

02:18:12.680 Well, it was me and Sargon of Akkad.

02:18:14.660 Remember him?

02:18:15.340 It was me and him.

02:18:16.040 We won.

02:18:17.320 How did I do compared to Destiny?

02:18:20.240 Not as well.

02:18:22.320 But Destiny is probably your top guy, I think.

02:18:25.400 Well, let me, Nick, Nick, I'm going to let, Dean, I'll be where I'll be where I'm in.

02:18:29.020 You're 19, 20.

02:18:29.880 Like, you're probably like the best well-spoken 19, 20-year-old debater I've ever heard. 0.98

02:18:35.100 And I look, and I fucking, no, seriously. 0.94

02:18:38.680 And look, and look, I don't agree with everything. 0.97

02:18:40.620 It doesn't matter.

02:18:41.220 But still, me and Sneaker are sitting here muted watching.

02:18:44.480 You have a lot of great points.

02:18:46.000 You have a lot of good discussions.

02:18:48.000 You know, a lot of good counters.

02:18:49.700 But, I mean, but Nick, go ahead.

02:18:51.560 And what do you, what do you think about him overall as a debater?

02:18:53.400 You know, I think it's, I think on a technical level, the rhetoric is effective at debating.

02:19:01.640 I hate rhetoric.

02:19:02.680 There is too much, like, sloganeering in there and kind of, like, cheap turns of phrase that, like, oh, you think that doesn't pass the smell test?

02:19:10.340 This doesn't pass.

02:19:11.740 Those, like, cheap turns of phrase, I think that's what they are.

02:19:14.860 I think they're cheap.

02:19:15.900 Some of the sloganeering, like, when you're, Trump is going to make you pay more at the grocery store.

02:19:20.140 This is just, like, political electioneering rhetoric.

02:19:23.680 I like debates that are just very frank and brutal and straightforward and about the facts, and I like humor in there.

02:19:30.220 So it's a different style.

02:19:31.380 I think Dems lean a little more on rhetoric and sophistry and syllogisms and hypotheticals.

02:19:37.040 I think right-wing people are a little bit more plain-talking and maybe lighthearted and fun.

02:19:42.620 That's my view of it.

02:19:45.080 Yeah.

02:19:45.560 Yeah, I'd hold the exact opposite, but, I mean, I'm guessing you'd be able to guess that I'd say that.

02:19:51.680 Well, yeah, you're you and I'm me, so.

02:19:53.720 Exactly.

02:19:54.380 Great.

02:19:54.820 Well, let me ask you both a question.

02:19:56.540 Dean, if you would like to call somebody out, I would love to have you on again.

02:20:01.040 Dean, I would love for you to call somebody out.

02:20:02.400 I'll try to pull some.

02:20:03.360 Who are, like, maybe two or three people, Dean, that you would like to debate on my stream next?

02:20:10.380 Oh, man.

02:20:11.980 Nico.

02:20:12.260 What topics?

02:20:18.140 Well, I have to talk about it, man.

02:20:20.300 Sure.

02:20:20.580 I would love to debate you.

02:20:22.480 I would love to debate you, Nico.

02:20:25.180 That's what I'd like to do.

02:20:27.860 I'd also, right, you said, like, a couple people.

02:20:30.760 I mean, if there's elections here. 0.98

02:20:33.160 You know, Andrew Tate, okay, this guy, he fucking tweeted at me on Twitter, and he said I was the reason why, like, white people are being replaced or some, like, crazy Nick Fuentes shit like that. 0.95

02:20:45.680 And then I, like, I retweeted it and called him out. 0.98

02:20:51.240 It went crazy, but he's pivoting.

02:20:53.120 He's dodging.

02:20:53.660 I want to debate.

02:20:55.560 Andrew Tate.

02:20:56.820 And then something else.

02:20:57.780 I got a buddy.

02:20:58.520 His name is Parker.

02:20:59.820 If y'all ever have anything 2v2 going on, he would love to hop on one of these, and he'd be great for the content.

02:21:05.360 Real smart guy.

02:21:06.180 For sure.

02:21:06.700 Real quick.

02:21:07.360 Do you know who Harry is, by the way?

02:21:09.980 Yes.

02:21:11.260 Are you also Harry's friend?

02:21:13.440 Yeah, I'm friends with Harry.

02:21:14.420 Okay, and then Nick, who would you like to debate next?

02:21:19.660 I'll see what, I'll work some.

02:21:22.520 I'm calling out Charlie Kirk.

02:21:24.180 I'm calling out Candace Owens.

02:21:26.240 I'd debate her.

02:21:27.180 I'd debate Shapiro.

02:21:29.500 I'd debate, I'd debate any of the above or any of the Democrats, you know, Harry Sisson or whoever, but I usually debate conservatives, actually.

02:21:38.200 Gotcha.

02:21:38.740 Real quick.

02:21:39.600 Really, really quick here.

02:21:40.360 I do want to say, you know, again, Dean, we've been trying to find you, I've been trying to find you a matchup for a while.

02:21:47.600 I want to let you know, everyone was basically like, I'm busy, I can't do it.

02:21:50.340 Nick finds out two minutes later, he doesn't even know who you are, says, I'm down, let's do it for sure.

02:21:55.100 I just want to let you know, you know, Nick, you know, I do appreciate the last minute.

02:21:58.820 I was, me and Dean, we've been trying to go at this thing for, you know, quite some time now, so last minute, Nick was just like, yeah, sure, I'll do it.

02:22:05.500 You didn't even know who he was, no hesitation, you just said, screw it, yeah.

02:22:08.660 Because I will say, I'm not going to say names, but a lot of people didn't want to debate Dean, I'll say that.

02:22:12.620 A lot of people were not really wanting to do it, so.

02:22:15.760 Wait, let me be, Nick has been trying to debate Ben Shapiro for about seven, eight years, and maybe you could use the Jewish connections and say, no, that'd be a great one. 0.97

02:22:23.760 Well, it's not a Jewish connection to me, I would do it, but, but, uh, I will reach out to Shapiro and I'll see if he would like to debate, uh, Quantes, yeah, I'll do it, yeah.

02:22:34.780 Um, okay, well, you guys were fucking awesome, I appreciate both of you.

02:22:39.920 Um, again, guys, any last words you'd like to say before we head on out?

02:22:44.680 Um, yeah, do you mind if I, uh, if I plug myself?

02:22:47.360 Go ahead.

02:22:48.680 Uh, if you're watching the debate, I'm sure that it's a heavily right-leaning chat.

02:22:52.520 I mean, this guy, Donald Trump, on a couple months back, so I doubt I'll get that much love.

02:22:56.400 But if you liked what you saw and you enjoyed, uh, you know, my debating style, I'm on Instagram, at Dean Withers, D-E-A-N-W-I-T-H-R-S.

02:23:04.160 I'm at, I'm on, on Twitter, at I-T-S-D-E-A-A-N-N, it's Dean with two A's, two N's.

02:23:10.940 TikTok is the same thing as a Twitter.

02:23:12.900 Uh, but, yeah, I appreciate everyone for showing up and showing out.

02:23:15.720 It was, uh, it was a fun little debate tonight.

02:23:17.680 Okay, and then, um, Nick, uh, anything you'd like to say?

02:23:22.520 Yeah, well, just thanks again, Aiden, uh, good to talk to you again, Sneeko, Dean, thanks for coming on.

02:23:29.000 Fun debate.

02:23:29.800 Appreciate everybody watching.

02:23:31.780 Don't, hey, I've defended Trump, but I'm telling people, don't vote for Trump.

02:23:36.020 He's not far right enough.

02:23:37.360 That's my new, he's bringing us to war with Iran. 0.95

02:23:39.840 He's not going to deport all the illegals.

02:23:41.900 I'm telling people, don't vote.

02:23:42.420 We got the Jill Stein of the right over here.

02:23:44.760 We got the Jill Stein. 1.00

02:23:45.420 That's some bullshit, Chad, I ain't gonna lie. 1.00

02:23:47.020 Yeah, principled, principled, and based. 0.99

02:23:49.960 I'm not going to plug myself, because that's just like, you know, follow me in real, I'm

02:23:54.420 Nick Fuentes.

02:23:55.100 Follow me at Nick Fuentes in real life.

02:23:58.320 I'm new to this thing.

02:23:58.660 Yeah, I know, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

02:24:00.380 When you're young, when you're, look, when you're unk status like me, it's like, hey,

02:24:04.600 follow me in the astral plane, okay?

02:24:06.540 Follow me in the ether.

02:24:08.220 Uh, I am on Rumble, though.

02:24:09.940 But, but yeah, so it was a fun debate.

02:24:12.220 Good, uh, good meeting you, and good seeing you guys, Aiden and Sneeko.

02:24:15.000 Oh, sorry, I was muted.

02:24:19.120 All right, guys, I really appreciate it.

02:24:20.460 Thank you so much.

02:24:21.060 You guys have a good night.

02:24:22.460 All right, thanks, you too.

02:24:24.000 All right.

02:24:24.460 Bye.

02:24:27.280 All right, what'd you...

02:24:28.000 I mean, they did a poll, right?

02:24:28.920 It was like 85%.

02:24:29.940 I want to see what he says next.

02:24:31.420 I want to see what Fuentes says.

02:24:33.040 Have a good night.

02:24:33.880 All right, thanks, you too.

02:24:35.080 Bye.

02:24:35.900 Bye.

02:24:38.020 All right.

02:24:39.640 Well, there you have it.

02:24:42.000 There's the debate.

02:24:42.780 How did I do?

02:24:43.580 How did I do?

02:24:45.860 W's, they love him.

02:24:46.820 Look, Chad, look.

02:24:47.580 Look at this, man.

02:24:48.360 There's some live reactions.

02:24:49.240 One in the chat if you think I won.

02:24:52.880 He's at a less as long as he's done in the water.

02:24:55.160 For real?

02:24:55.640 What do you think?

02:24:56.220 I think he crushed him.

02:24:56.940 He was in the chat.

02:24:57.680 Total victory.

02:24:58.680 Who do y'all think won, Chad?

02:24:59.840 I think he crushed him.

02:25:01.060 I think, you know, I got to give him credit.

02:25:02.560 You should take the words off the screen.

02:25:03.700 He's one of the best Jews in the country.

02:25:05.260 You know, everybody's...

02:25:06.020 Demoration thing?

02:25:06.640 Anti-Semitic. 0.94

02:25:07.440 Anti-Semite.

02:25:08.140 I'm not an anti-Semite.

02:25:10.020 I love...

02:25:10.320 I think Dean did well on Christian nationalism.

02:25:12.480 Did that surprise me?

02:25:14.640 Sorry.

02:25:15.200 Weird.

02:25:17.340 And, but other than that, I think Nick crushed him.

02:25:19.860 Like, I was surprised from Dean.

02:25:21.560 Most of this stuff is about the frame.

02:25:23.140 Like, he's good, but he didn't have enough confidence, I think, overall.

02:25:26.800 I didn't like the piano analogy he made. 0.79

02:25:28.600 I didn't like the white supremacy comparing it to gay. 1.00

02:25:30.880 The gay butt sex one was freaking me the fuck out. 1.00

02:25:33.380 I'm going to be real with you guys. 1.00

02:25:34.220 It's a hard one to win. 0.96

02:25:35.120 I got no problem with gay people, bro. 1.00

02:25:36.640 I just like the butt sex shit was freaking me the fuck out. 1.00

02:25:39.260 He made a lot of, like, weird equivalencies. 1.00

02:25:40.780 Like, he kept trying to compare, like, piano playing to butt sex. 0.87

02:25:43.580 It's like, no, that's not going to win over an audience. 0.99

02:25:45.540 You can't compare butt sex to playing a piano. 0.99

02:25:47.460 I just think that the butt sex one was a little bit tough for me. 0.99

02:25:49.760 I'm not saying that all homosexuality is bad. 0.99

02:25:52.320 I'm not saying that.

02:25:53.340 It is.

02:25:53.720 I'm saying that.

02:25:54.220 I'm not.

02:25:54.740 I'm saying that.

02:25:55.300 I'm not.

02:25:56.040 But...

02:25:56.280 I'm not saying that.

02:25:56.880 I'm on Twitch.

02:25:57.380 It's fine.

02:25:58.600 It's fun?

02:25:59.540 It's fine.

02:26:00.740 Whoa.

02:26:01.960 Like, I did agree with what Flintis was saying. 0.99

02:26:05.240 You're saying that, you know, if you do want to take it up the ass, you have to repair it. 0.99

02:26:09.100 No, you do. 0.99

02:26:09.520 You have to take a shower. 1.00

02:26:10.520 You have to make sure you have no shit. 1.00

02:26:12.000 You got to put something in your butthole to loosen it up. 1.00

02:26:14.020 I mean, dude, you need lube. 1.00

02:26:15.240 Like, if you want to put your dick inside of a pussy, you could just put it in. 1.00

02:26:18.920 Like, yeah, the girls could get wet, obviously. 1.00

02:26:20.220 She's got to get wet, yeah. 1.00

02:26:21.100 But that's... 0.99

02:26:21.660 With consensual sex, obviously, the girl would be wet, right? 0.99

02:26:24.220 Well, even in rape, sometimes it gets wet. 0.86

02:26:26.220 But, yeah, that's besides the point.

02:26:28.580 How would you know that? 1.00

02:26:29.580 How would you know the fucking drugs and the butt sack stuff? 1.00

02:26:32.040 Because he said it. 1.00

02:26:34.780 Also, the weird argument was that Hitler...

02:26:36.500 Would you rather have your wife... 0.99

02:26:37.720 Okay, I'll be real.

02:26:38.340 Guys, listen.

02:26:39.160 I'm Jewish.

02:26:39.920 You guys know that.

02:26:41.120 Hitler was a great leader. 1.00

02:26:42.700 What he did was wrong.

02:26:43.940 I obviously... 1.00

02:26:45.100 So fucked. 1.00

02:26:45.620 It's real. 1.00

02:26:46.220 What he did was fucked up. 1.00

02:26:47.620 He killed innocent people. 1.00

02:26:48.760 But he was a good leader.

02:26:50.420 Like, at the end of the day, like, take it with a grain of salt of what I'm saying.

02:26:53.320 Like, bro.

02:26:54.700 No, he was.

02:26:55.700 No, no.

02:26:55.940 He literally was.

02:26:56.740 Like, he made a vast majority of people all stand by him.

02:27:02.620 And he ruled almost every...

02:27:03.660 He almost took out...

02:27:04.600 He almost had Russia, too. 0.51

02:27:05.860 He almost took out all these countries, bro.

02:27:08.160 So you guys can say what you want.

02:27:09.680 At the end of the day, like, I'm going to say this take two.

02:27:12.460 Joe Biden is smart.

02:27:14.240 You guys may think otherwise.

02:27:15.360 Joe Biden was smart.

02:27:16.100 I'll tell you why.

02:27:16.940 He fooled the entire people to get into where he is today, office.

02:27:20.800 He did.

02:27:21.180 And this guy, you know, now it's obviously different, but he's still a smart person.

02:27:25.300 Joe Biden, in some ways, is smarter than Donald Trump.

02:27:27.300 And you got to really understand what I'm trying to tell you.

02:27:29.400 It's like, there's stuff that you guys have to admit.

02:27:31.560 Does that mean that he's a better leader than Trump? 1.00

02:27:32.720 Fuck no. 1.00

02:27:33.420 But what I'm saying is, it's still Trump 2024, chat. 1.00

02:27:35.880 But you guys really got to understand what I'm saying.

02:27:38.440 Hitler was smart because he brainwashed people into thinking that there was all this great stuff going on. 1.00

02:27:44.120 When in reality, no, stop.

02:27:45.340 He killed innocent people.

02:27:46.960 That's the take I'm telling you guys.

02:27:49.180 So you guys should word it.

02:27:50.660 Watch the vlogs.

02:27:51.380 Be like, oh, he didn't say Hitler's good.

02:27:52.660 No, I did not. 0.95

02:27:53.340 Hitler's a bad man still. 0.95

02:27:54.520 He's just a good leader.

02:27:55.680 Okay?

02:27:55.860 He's a good leader.

02:27:57.060 Okay?

02:27:57.940 And, you know, it's just how you guys want to take it.

02:28:00.440 It's how you guys want to take it.

02:28:01.260 Yeah, you see, he kept trying to do these gotcha moments.

02:28:02.840 He would say that and then turn and look at the camera like the office.

02:28:05.220 But I don't think that that was a good gotcha.

02:28:06.620 He's a good leader.

SNEAKO - October 03, 2024

SNEAKO & Adin Ross Host Debate For Nick Fuentes & Dean Withers

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