SNEAKO - November 23, 2022SNEAKO Debates a Feminist Hater
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Summary
In this episode, I sit down with a good friend of mine, Rose, to discuss feminism and gender roles in society. We talk about what feminism is, what it means to be a feminist, and what it does not mean.
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okay so i heard from my friend will lead shout out to lead that you you disagree you think i'm
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uh a misogynist i would like to and apparently you've had extensive conversations with them
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about it so i was curious to what that debate was and uh the back and forth and everything
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so but first off what's your name hi i'm rose hi rose um obviously i know who you are but um i
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I, instead of the conversation I had to go lead, like, I'd rather just, just tell you,
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like, how I feel. So I really don't know why you do this. I'm going to be honest with you. Like,
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I don't know, like, I actually saw some of your, like, older content. Um, you kind of just popped
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up on my timeline once and I was like, whoa, that's aggressive. Like, just some of the things
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that you were saying, I was like, that's kind of aggressive. So I just like, when it's kind of
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like a deep dive on you and I kind of really want to know where like you develop some of your
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opinions on women is it like personal experience is it well first I have to establish what opinions
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do I have about women that you disagree with um okay so can I ask you some questions and then you
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tell me your opinion sure okay so do you believe that um the rise in like political clout uh
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socioeconomic clout socioeconomic power status that women are getting in society is harming
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society yes why do you think that because we are telling women to chase ego and to try to act like
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men so that they can feel the same amount of power and it's not something that they inherently want
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to do. Feminism is this idea that's being sold to young women that promotes female empowerment
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and it turns women into men and it actually makes men weaker. I'm sure you could also see the rise
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of effeminate men, feminine men walking around, soy boys that we like to call them. It's switching
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the genders and we're trying to act like men and women aren't equal. We're trying to act like men
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and women are equal when uh we are very clearly different we have different roles so feminism is
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like the female empowerment thing it's a bunch of nonsense there's no laws there's no rights
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in the west that men have that women don't on paper right what yeah if what do you mean that
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there's rights off paper that women need no i'm saying like yeah on paper there is equality of
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genders on paper, right? But in execution, the way that it's kind of executed in society,
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it's a little different. Like what? And just getting away from the statistics,
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let's just go just based on personal experience, right? So I grew up in a patriarchal kind of
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family structure. Everybody did. Right. And in that sense, specifically just from my background
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I'm being an immigrant I seen so many women in my family actually be kind of negatively impacted
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mentally with their self-esteem just based off of their position their role that they have to play
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based on the gender roles that are in this society and it's not only that it's also well okay let's
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just let's just talk about personal experience but still you're kind of avoiding the general
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subject feminism is a bunch of bullshit and there are no rights that women don't have that men have
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in the west yes yes feminism as a whole globally is very important and we're still doing the work
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um sure but you're not you're you live in the west yeah but listen if we're specifically
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speaking about the west um which feminism as we know it today we're not talking about the suffrage
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movement which is also like a part of feminism where women were trying to gain the right to vote
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we're not talking about 100 years old that's what i'm saying we're not talking about that
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we're talking about new age feminism is you so your gripe is with new age feminism
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so modern day new age feminism there are parts of it that have kind of been bastardized i would
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agree with you in that like um like sexual liberation there's uh sex of different types
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of feminists that say like is sexual liberation really liberation for women right and that's a
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big question that's up in there when me personally I am of the opinion that it's per the person it's
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depending on the person but regardless of the fact back to what you said about like people
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encouraging women to be more like men I don't personally believe that that is the goal I don't
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think that we're trying to encourage women to be more like men I think we are encouraging women to
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gain identities outside of interpersonal relationships with men right so do you think
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that a young girl should be her only focus should be trying to find a man to be domesticated to
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is that do you think that that's number one objective should be to find a good man yes
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and what she can do how she could put herself in the right positions to be with the man
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that her father would be proud of okay so let's just go down that line of reasoning right
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yeah okay so so does that mean to suck if she has to sacrifice her education would you think
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that she has she should sacrifice her education no well it depends what scenario you're going
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you're going too specific with the hypotheticals i want to to argue something more general like
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something this is extremely specific i can tell that you're thinking a lot about like personal
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experiences you probably thought like oh my friend was said not to go back to school or anything
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but no let's go let's go more general do you think i'm a misogynist
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the answers that you've given me so far and i'm gonna go based off what the answers that you're
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giving me in this live stream all right because maybe i'm taking the other clips that i've seen
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online out of context but from what you're saying it does sound inherently misogynistic
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what did i say that was misogynistic that with that a woman's main objective in life
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should be to find a man can you define misogyny for me specifically i actually have a
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so you don't know you have to look it up no i'm giving i want to give you like a clear concise
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definition versus like something right but if you can call me misogynistic you should know what it
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means before looking it up okay well misogyny is an inherent um distrust inherent hatred inherent
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um bias against women where did i show hatred or bias towards women so what do you
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when you say and i'm trying to explain this to you in a way that like it's it's a very like you
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said it's a broader like you said it's a general kind of idea right so when you say something like
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a woman's main objective in life is to find a man right that is completely disregarding
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the other very important aspects of her humanity which might be to find and to get an education to
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provide for herself what if she can't find a man to provide for herself so when you you kind of um
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this idea idea that like a woman's main objective should be to find a good man that means i hate
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women no that's not what i said you're purposely misinterpreting what i said so what i said was
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there's layers to your statement that are inherently misogynistic you don't have to
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outright say i hate women f all women you know what i'm saying it's but when you go into like
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a pool of talking points that are centered around misogyny then that's where somebody like me can
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make the observation of you saying I am misogynistic now if you are not a misogynist if you
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inherently believe that you yourself are not a misogynist maybe present your ideas that are
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present your ideas in a way that is not doesn't have so many misogynistic undertones would be my
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suggestion but what's a misogynistic undertone about what I said that if a woman's main objective
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in life is should be to find a man that means that inherently she's incapable of living her life
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without a man correct see you see what you just did i will say the same exact thing about men
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the main objective is to be happy and you got to realize the most important thing to be happy
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is to be with somebody who loves you we need each other many women and women need men i could say
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the same thing about men and the feminists that you would probably talk to all the time will say
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the same thing they'll call us call men incels to say you just need to get laid because we
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understand that that's what makes us happy is the opposite gender if i say a man should present
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himself like a gentleman so that he can get a woman women make men happy you need a good woman
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in your life nobody says that's misinteress nobody says that's sexist if i say the same statement
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men need a good one men need to be with a good woman nobody is ever going to call that sexist
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That's a double standard. And see, this is proof of the independence thing. When you talk about
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interpersonal relationships and how women need, there's more to a woman's life and everything.
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It's independent from a man. A man's independence is just providing for himself,
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gaining some respect. Feminism has taught a lot of young girls to just run around,
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be wild and be, I'm a free woman. I'm independent. Independent of who? You're independent from a man.
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So it's not actually trying to do something with yourself. You are just trying to get
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get the same amount of power that a man has by ego tripping you don't really want to go and
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accomplish the same things that men want to accomplish you just want to say i'm an independent
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woman of a man um i don't i think you're kind of misunderstanding the the point of this new age
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of feminism because it's not necessarily that we're trying to stop women from being you know
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dependent on their partner whether it's financially um spiritually emotionally whatever it is right
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and i'm i don't disagree with you but i don't necessarily think that okay let me ask you a
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question do you think that men should also live their life objectively to find a mate yeah the
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goal is to be happy and that's one of the main components to being happy as a man is having
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women having women or having one woman well men want plenty women you want to attract the more
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women that you can attract the better a woman is going to act around you if i can have 10 women
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attracted to me then the one that really wants to be with me was really going to act right
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but essentially yeah essentially one one that's i'm answering a different question but yes that's
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one of the main objectives to be happy is to be the man that is respected that a woman is attracted
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to okay so now when we okay so when we move on to the i'm glad you answered that just for
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clarification but um when you move on to the point of like feminism is now teaching girls to like run
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wild and run free and all that stuff not necessarily right we're kind of trying to condition young
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girls into understanding that sometimes relying on a man and i'm gonna i i would argue to say more
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often than not relying on a man for your financial emotional like everything needs you so you might
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get disappointed when one man cannot provide you with the emotional support that you need
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the financial support that you need the emotional the psychological the spiritual support that you
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need it is kind of unrealistic to expect one human being to provide you with all of these things when
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you can have your own base of emotional and financial security that way when you come and
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allow a man into your life then it is more on like an equal playing field and instead my argument is
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this is feminist it's the fault of feminism that this problem is happening now there are so many
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women who are starting to earn more than men you hear me there's there's so many women who are
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out earning men and the problem with women is that they are so egotistical they don't know how to date
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down so they don't know how to be with a man who earns less than them they don't want it they always
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want to go up and at the same time they want to be monogamous to a man who's a high earner
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but that guy he's got to that point he doesn't want to be monogamous to some random girl who's
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making all these demands the reason that there's the reason that there's all these uh there's this
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problem in relationships and that a man can't provide everything that a woman needs is because
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of feminism is because we told women that they need to go out and do their own thing and they
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need to be independent and you need to start voting and the kitchen is oppressive and you need
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to be outside and you need to take off your head cover and that being a virgin is a bad is you need
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to explore your options this is the reason that this problem exists um okay do you think that
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most men want to date women who make more than them of course not so it's actually a problem
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on both sides then right so women don't want to make don't want to date with men who make less
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than them because they are seen as inferior just based off but it's not it's not the normie's
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It goes bigger than just men and women. There's a reason that feminism was pushed so hard in the
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West. And it was because to keep ultimate control and to make more money off of us so that we have
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to work harder, spend more money. Women are the ultimate consumers. You're materialistic. You
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want to get Birkin bags. You want to get all this bullshit. We have to spend more money on you.
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You're going to go vote. You're going to be higher earners. They're going to pay more tax
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dollars. If women aren't in the kitchen, if women aren't raising the kids, then they are out making
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money and now they owe more tax dollars to the government the idea of feminism was propagated
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so that they can make more money off of us and they can manipulate and control us even more
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it's not the fault of men or women it's the people in charge behind the scenes who are playing little
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games imagine if i gave feminism to all the normies and it worked my dad keeps calling me
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and like i can't like you know but um hanging up on your dad to talk to me huh you're hanging up
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on your dad to talk to me i mean i'm i call him every day so this is modern day feminism
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okay what if your dad's in dire trouble and you're in here all right go ahead my dad lives
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in another state so there's really nothing he could do anyway but um regardless of that okay
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so i do agree with you on a certain level that there is a larger power structure that
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pits women against men i agree with you however the reason is kind of like i don't agree with
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the reason right so in terms of like i want to say second wave feminism when women did have more
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money to spend and things like that they were things and products were marketed more towards
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women this is like and that's why i say like it's a bigger larger structure because we don't control
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mass media marketing you and me it's corporations that do that the elites so
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because things were marketed more towards women telling us that oh buy this razor by the way did
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you know that shaving was not like like shaving down there was not really a thing until galette
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made it a thing with marketing like mass marketing right birth control all this stuff abortion all
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this stuff was sold all these ideas were sold to us to make us are you on birth control no okay but
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that's just personally my body just rejected so many different kinds but good so you're not
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completely gone you're a little bit brainwashed calling me a misogynist by not really knowing why
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but at least you're not taking birth control i don't here's the thing like i don't think that
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this is an is a you problem like i don't think that this is like you're the like the only
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i don't think that you're the only misogynist like out there and and don't take offense when
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i say it inherently of course i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm going to take offense when you call me if i
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label if i just said racist if i call it it's the same thing you're saying that i hate women
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that's what a misogynist is if you're gonna go out here and say that i hate women i'm not gonna
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be like oh that's fine i can let you say these words that's a serious allegation that people
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put out there and that no don't hold on that's a big reason that i was canceled people thought
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that i was canceled for this this really surface level stuff about misogyny when i was canceled i
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was deleted off all these platforms with covid misinformation election misinformation so when
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you throw out these allegations without anything to back it up you are pushing this cancel culture
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and we are shoving down the truth we're gonna keep on believing the bullshit that the the elites
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want us to believe i'm backing it up right now i don't i don't think that it's specific to you
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i don't think that you are the only person with this ideology out there i think that inherently
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we do live but you're still saying that about me huh you're just the person with a really large
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platform like you're just the one with a really large platform that's why i and a lot of people
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on the internet kind of look at you because you kind of think men and women are equal
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i think that they're equal but i think that they're different that makes no sense
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separate but equal no equal and indifferent means that it's different they can't be two
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things at the same time i think those are opposites i think that men and women are equal
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i think that we are different but i think well how what makes us equal um in terms of like
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emotionally um you think i'm as emotional as you i think we're nico i've seen some of your videos
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you can get emotional yeah on camera to make money and entertain people you get emotional all day and
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cry and sit there with the lights off and the shade off and then you post in your story you
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post your story nobody text me i'm fine your emotion is different i know how to channel that
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incident that use and to use it for you have done that you also it's built into your body to be
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emotional you have a hormone cycle you bleed once a month you are inherently different your emotional
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cycle is tied in to your period is tied into how she's talking to someone she's done okay tell her
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i'll be there in an hour sorry um that's wrong what's wrong that's wrong um so men go through
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a 24-hour hormone cycle women go through a 28-day cycle like we both have different
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men don't have a hormone cycle we don't have a menstrual cycle no you're right the bottom line
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are you really are you genuinely gonna sit here and say that men are as emotional as women
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emotional in different ways yeah i've seen in different ways that's okay so but you have to
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admit there's either more emotional or less emotional who's more emotional women or men
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i think they're equally emotional okay do you think that women are as strong as men
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no physically like in terms of physical strength no that's anatomy okay do you think women are as
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It's going to get me, it's going to take me about 45 minutes together, but I have to
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It's entertaining sometimes, but it just goes in circles.
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We got 3,000 people watching, I'm not going to wait for you to