SNEAKO - SNEAKO Debates Fresh and Fit on Vasectomies!

00:00:00.000 Why does being a high-value man matter if you're not going to eventually start a family?

00:00:04.760 Because look at all the girls here.

00:00:06.200 They're all propping themselves up to be that high-value man.

00:00:09.360 That's why.

00:00:09.980 And we're calling that bleak, and we're calling that out and saying it's empty.

00:00:13.280 So why are we advocating for the same thing on the other side?

00:00:16.040 Because it's not going to change, bro.

00:00:17.160 Feminism is here, and it's not going anywhere.

00:00:18.880 Women will not concede whatsoever.

00:00:20.820 They're going to continue to make money.

00:00:22.140 They're going to continue to gain status.

00:00:23.520 They're going to continue to go up the ranks.

00:00:25.640 Women are going to out-earn men in the next 20 years.

00:00:27.200 I predict it.

00:00:27.780 But being bleak about it is kind of a waste.

00:00:32.040 Because we've seen some – I think your answer is exactly what I saw girls in Eastern Europe doing,

00:00:36.500 trying to get closer to God, working on their health, working on making sure they're emotionally mature.

00:00:42.620 That's what Eastern European women are doing.

00:00:45.860 So it's not like – you can't just put a blanket over all the women here and say give up and cut off your fucking balls from your dick.

00:00:51.960 No, no, no.

00:00:52.440 I get that.

00:00:52.900 I'm all for families, man.

00:00:54.220 I've always said it.

00:00:54.980 The nuclear family is the backbone of any thriving society.

00:00:57.780 However, when half the equation of having a nuclear family doesn't necessarily prioritize nuclear family, as a man, you've got to make some adaptations.

00:01:08.540 Because if you do make a nuclear family with someone that isn't as interested in making a nuclear family with you and they're – how do I say this?

00:01:15.400 They're rewarded for leaving that nuclear family through divorce, courts, alimony, et cetera.

00:01:19.640 As a guy, you've got to kind of reassess how you want to move.

00:01:22.240 So I'm saying families are fantastic, but it's a very dangerous proposition in the West, the United States.

00:01:28.800 That's my thing.

00:01:29.360 But I'm all for families.

00:01:30.260 I am.

00:01:30.760 Trust me.

00:01:31.340 Come from a two-parent household.

00:01:32.360 I would probably be a fucked-up idiot if I didn't come from a two-parent household.

00:01:36.140 But my parents are from the Middle East.

00:01:37.460 They have different culture values.

00:01:38.540 You know, religion is a thing.

00:01:40.100 Here, religion isn't that big.

00:01:41.520 Feminism is here.

00:01:42.520 Women prioritize careers just seen through – and all these girls are young, too.

00:01:45.880 That's the crazy part.

00:01:46.580 They're all young.

00:01:46.960 Young panel.

00:01:47.580 You know what I mean?

00:01:48.640 So what's your take on this?

00:01:50.380 I want to hear Freshman Fitz's take on this.

00:01:51.800 There's 15,000 men watching for the most part.

00:01:54.660 Should men in their 20s get a vasectomy?

00:01:57.720 Personally, I would say, looking at it from a holistic standpoint, I get what Rolo is saying for the whole topic itself of being high value because, once again, if you get a woman pregnant that's not there for you, she could be against you and could turn to many different things.

00:02:10.960 But personally, like I was saying earlier, for me, I do want a family.

00:02:14.460 If I meet the right woman, I think it's going to raise that child.

00:02:18.540 But for most men, do they have the, I want to say, resources to find a woman that they want of their dreams or even get the right woman?

00:02:25.140 Probably not.

00:02:25.620 So to be safe, vasectomy might be in their best interest.

00:02:28.820 So yes.

00:02:29.940 No, no, I'm saying, okay.

00:02:31.180 Is it yes or no?

00:02:32.040 It depends on the individual.

00:02:34.080 That's what I'm saying.

00:02:35.020 So it's up to the man to decide for himself.

00:02:36.840 But I'm just saying, generally for me, I think family is very important.

00:02:39.960 But I understand why most men might not want that because finding a woman that's actually good for you may be kind of hard.

00:02:45.760 So I get a little bit.

00:02:46.580 In America specifically.

00:02:47.580 In America.

00:02:47.960 In America, to be specific.

00:02:49.380 What do you think?

00:02:50.780 Let's get the ladies' takes on it and then I'll give my opinion because I don't want to corrupt them with my take.

00:02:54.600 Okay.

00:02:54.720 All right.

00:02:55.300 Ladies, let's make this a little bit more engaging.

00:02:59.140 Let's say you have a son.

00:03:01.360 He's 21 years old.

00:03:03.300 Building up a business.

00:03:04.220 Whatever it may be is becoming somewhat successful.

00:03:06.380 Actually, you know what?

00:03:06.840 Let's say 30 years old because let's be honest, 21-year-old guy is fucking useless.

00:03:10.240 He ain't doing nothing with life.

00:03:11.560 So a 30-year-old guy building up a business.

00:03:13.380 He's on his way to becoming successful.

00:03:16.060 Should he have a vasectomy knowing how women move nowadays and how girls can trap guys?

00:03:20.060 Should he have a vasectomy?

00:03:20.820 We can start on the couch and then work our way.

00:03:23.040 What are your thoughts?

00:03:24.320 To protect himself.

00:03:25.640 If he's really successful.

00:03:27.280 I mean, I've seen men get trapped.

00:03:29.280 So I'd probably be more prone to saying yes if he was, you know, like a target.

00:03:34.880 But on the whole, I think no.

00:03:37.180 Okay.

00:03:38.820 No.

00:03:39.480 I would tell my son completely no to not do that.

00:03:42.520 Fair.

00:03:45.700 Honestly, if they don't want to have children, then yeah.

00:03:49.960 But I think that every man should be able to, like, decide if they want to have children or not.

00:03:54.660 All right.

00:03:54.900 And it's, like, important.

00:03:56.240 So I don't think so, honestly.

00:03:58.120 Like, you can just find women that follow your values in another part of the world, as you said.

00:04:05.160 All right.

00:04:05.660 So you're saying you just go somewhere else?

00:04:07.480 Yeah.

00:04:07.740 Just, like, go somewhere.

00:04:08.800 But what if they decide to stay in the States?

00:04:11.440 Honestly, I still think that there's women out there that can be, like, mother.

00:04:16.440 Okay.

00:04:17.980 What about you?

00:04:19.800 Honestly, if he wants to, then that's fine with me.

00:04:23.040 But can't you get a vasectomy undone?

00:04:25.000 You can, yeah.

00:04:25.520 Yeah, so, like, I wouldn't be opposed to it at all.

00:04:27.920 You could also detransition after becoming trans.

00:04:31.080 I mean, yeah.

00:04:31.440 But you don't ever want people to do that in the first place.

00:04:33.780 Like, you're messing up your body.

00:04:35.440 Once you take puberty blockers, you can go off them.

00:04:37.980 But there's going to be a physical difference.

00:04:40.820 I mean, if he wants to take that risk, I don't really care.

00:04:43.880 Because I know that they'd be getting, like, some girls be lying, doing other shit.

00:04:48.780 And, like, he's trapped now.

00:04:50.080 And then they take all his shit and then leave.

00:04:52.660 So I'm not opposed to it at all, actually.

00:04:54.500 All right.

00:04:54.860 What about you?

00:04:56.560 I would say no.

00:04:57.860 But, I mean, it's their choice.

00:04:59.600 Like, I would hope that I reason, like, a good, like, they have a good sense of moral.

00:05:03.780 And they'd be able to pick the right, like, woman.

00:05:06.200 Okay.

00:05:06.680 What about you?

00:05:07.800 I think it depends on a lot of, like, what his lifestyle is.

00:05:11.920 Like, if he's, let's say, starting his business.

00:05:14.200 And he's very focused on money and things like that.

00:05:16.980 But he's, like, constantly meeting new women and engaging with these women.

00:05:21.260 Yeah.

00:05:21.460 So then I would say, okay, there's, like, ways that you can use instead of a vasectomy to avoid the baby.

00:05:30.220 But I have also heard of, like, women trapping men and things like that.

00:05:35.060 But I feel like it's up to him.

00:05:37.360 Like, if he thinks, like, no, I'm going to get trapped.

00:05:40.380 Like, I'm getting, like, I'm meeting new women and I'm doing this.

00:05:45.080 And I'm, like, you know, having intimate moments with them.

00:05:49.740 And, you know what?

00:05:50.700 Do what you want to do.

00:05:51.700 What makes you happy?

00:05:52.440 So yes or no?

00:05:56.260 I feel like it's just up to him.

00:05:57.780 Like, if he wants.

00:05:58.780 What advice would you give him, though?

00:06:00.680 I would say.

00:06:01.560 As the mom.

00:06:02.520 As the mom of my son, I would say, like, don't go around, you know, like, sticking it in whatever and whoever.

00:06:11.440 Like, why don't you, if you're so focused on, you know, starting a family or, you know, you want to grow,

00:06:16.620 why are you, you know, giving time and energy into things that are just going to be gone in the next morning?

00:06:22.840 Based.

00:06:23.740 Okay.

00:06:24.120 So I'll take that as a no.

00:06:25.520 What about you?

00:06:27.000 Oh, no.

00:06:27.820 I think, I think there's still a lot of women with values and they can, like, be a good mother and stuff like that.

00:06:36.980 You're in Florida.

00:06:38.440 Okay.

00:06:39.680 In Florida?

00:06:40.620 Well, you say Florida, right?

00:06:41.940 Okay.

00:06:42.160 Well, I mean in the United States.

00:06:43.520 Oh, well, yeah.

00:06:44.120 Okay.

00:06:44.640 What about you?

00:06:45.040 I wouldn't want him to.

00:06:47.260 I would just tell him to work on his discernment as far as who he's having sex with.

00:06:53.320 But if he made the decision to have sex with somebody unprotected or whatever happens, then he has to live with those consequences.

00:07:02.220 All right.

00:07:03.060 What about you?

00:07:03.860 I personally would tell him I wouldn't want him to do it.

00:07:06.820 But, like, you can't really control what happens.

00:07:10.040 Things happen.

00:07:10.580 And, yeah, that's what they have to live with.

00:07:13.760 Then they have to deal with that and provide for that child.

00:07:16.480 And, you know, you always just have to be careful.

00:07:19.360 Okay.

00:07:19.720 I mean, at his big age, I feel like he should know the consequences of doing something like that or not.

00:07:27.940 I would definitely advise him against it.

00:07:30.020 Because, like, you were saying, you know, puberty blockers and all that.

00:07:33.180 Like, once you do something to your body, it's very hard.

00:07:35.480 I mean, impossible to reverse anything that you've done.

00:07:38.540 And so, I mean, hopefully I would have raised him to where he would make that decision and, you know, it would be sound on his part.

00:07:44.920 But I would advise him against it.

00:07:46.240 You would advise?

00:07:46.720 Okay.

00:07:48.580 How old did you say our son was going to be?

00:07:50.120 We'll say 30.

00:07:50.900 30?

00:07:51.380 Yeah.

00:07:51.760 He's a grown man.

00:07:52.580 I'm not going to be telling him what to do with his balls or anything.

00:07:54.800 Like, you need to wrap it before you tap it.

00:07:57.120 Even if you do have a vasectomy, what if you get an STD or something?

00:07:59.580 All right.

00:08:02.940 My take on it, man, I think it's a sliding scale.

00:08:05.080 The more successful the guy, the more money he has, the more he has to lose, the more vasectomy might be a good choice.

00:08:12.260 But, again, it depends on the guy.

00:08:13.880 If the guy's not smashing at all, do you want to do that?

00:08:16.640 And, you know, obviously you can always undo the snip.

00:08:18.880 So it really depends on the individual.

00:08:20.820 And I think the two main variables are his success and how promiscuous he is with dealing with women.

00:08:26.480 I think those two factors heavily influence the decision.

00:08:29.700 It's going to change per person.

00:08:31.340 Right.

00:08:31.840 But his take, Rolo's take was that to be a high-value man, the top three steps, avoid family creation, get a vasectomy, and have a network.

00:08:41.760 It's just like the generic male side improvement stuff.

00:08:44.040 But two of the top three, get a vasectomy and avoid family creation.

00:08:47.760 Do you agree?

00:08:49.640 Did he say avoid?

00:08:50.600 Yes.

00:08:51.160 Word for word, avoid family creation.

00:08:53.120 It's on Twitter.

00:08:53.900 Top three steps to become a high-value man.

00:08:55.720 Okay.

00:08:56.000 I didn't see this tweet.

00:08:56.940 I'll have to take a look at it.

00:08:58.180 But, I mean, here's the thing.

00:09:00.000 I think what he means by that is being the most – when he says high-value man, he's talking from the perspective of being able to be a playboy and get as many girls.

00:09:08.720 But why is that a priority over having a – like, why would that even be advice?

00:09:13.260 Why would that be a male self-improvement advice?

00:09:15.820 Be a playboy instead of raise a family?

00:09:17.900 Well –

00:09:18.000 We make fun of women all day who wanted to be girl boss queens and sleep around and have all this – and then you tell guys, be a playboy instead of raise a family.

00:09:26.040 That's the same advice on the other side.

00:09:27.960 Because here's the thing.

00:09:28.860 When you're a playboy, you're going to be better at raising the family.

00:09:32.320 And the reason for that –

00:09:32.680 But he's saying avoid family creation.

00:09:34.120 Well, he's saying to be a high-value – he's talking from the frame, knowing Rolo because I know him personally, he's talking from the frame of being a guy getting a lot of girls.

00:09:43.240 And then if you decide you want to get a family down the road, you can always unsnip and then go ahead and go down the family route.

00:09:49.940 But in today's day and age, I agree to a degree that you need to have sex with at least 50 girls as a guy.

00:09:55.300 I've talked about that all the time.

00:09:56.120 It's controversial.

00:09:57.040 But the reason why I say that is because most women are more promiscuous than most guys.

00:10:01.540 So if you're a dude and you're getting out here and dating girls and you get your pee-pee wet with the first girl, she could sell you a dream and you'll be like, oh, yeah, this is great.

00:10:09.080 So guys got to get out there and be sexually experienced.

00:10:10.740 So he's talking from the frame of – he's talking from the frame of, you know, being attractive.

00:10:15.440 I think most guys out here are not going to be able to control their sexual urges.

00:10:20.200 So he's saying as a –

00:10:21.660 Oh, dude.

00:10:22.720 Yeah.

00:10:22.980 Okay.

00:10:23.360 You got it?

00:10:23.820 Yeah, I'm looking at it right now.

00:10:24.680 The quickest path to becoming a high-value man.

00:10:26.700 Do not get married.

00:10:27.320 Avoid family creation.

00:10:28.100 If a sex may in your 20s live consistently, eliminate all sedations.

00:10:30.400 Learn game and networking.

00:10:31.320 Play to your strengths.

00:10:32.340 Build wealth.

00:10:33.120 Resist easing up on your focus.

00:10:34.560 He's talking about building – increasing your value when you're young.

00:10:37.480 Becoming successful, yeah.

00:10:38.200 Becoming successful.

00:10:39.260 Yeah.

00:10:39.560 Avoid family creation again.

00:10:40.580 Yes, yeah.

00:10:41.180 Yeah, because when you – yeah, dude, because your value doesn't go up until you're built something and that's typically going to be in your 30s.

00:10:47.380 So most guys –

00:10:48.160 That's what he's saying.

00:10:48.560 What do they focus on?

00:10:49.600 Girls the whole time.

00:10:50.700 He's saying at this point in your career when you're on the way up, focus on things that are going to help you move forward in life and become successful.

00:10:57.000 Get a surgery done that prevents you from having children.

00:10:59.520 Yeah, but you can always reverse it.

00:11:00.820 That's not like – a lot of the times that shit messes up.

00:11:03.300 That's not something you could just like hope that it's going to be okay.

00:11:06.040 Generally, most men can't control their urges, so what's going to happen is they're going to go fuck around and get somebody pregnant.

00:11:11.680 This is how you rise up the path to become high status because you're eliminating all variables that can fuck you up.

00:11:17.500 Yeah.

00:11:17.820 That's what he's saying.

00:11:18.780 Risk mitigation right there.

00:11:19.680 How many dudes do you know that could have made it to the NBA or could have been a star and an athlete or something that got some chick pregnant?

00:11:26.400 Yeah.

00:11:26.860 Like kids a lot of the times ruin dudes' futures because they have kids prematurely.

00:11:31.060 So he's saying this is the path to becoming a high-value man.

00:11:34.280 And then once you become that guy, reverse the vasectomy.

00:11:38.340 Reverse the vasectomy.

00:11:39.240 Yeah.

00:11:39.500 Do you think that's good advice?

00:11:41.540 I mean that's good advice if your qualifications of a high-value man is a guy with a big body count.

00:11:46.340 But it might be like –

00:11:47.380 No, no, no.

00:11:48.280 He's talking about increasing your value as a man.

00:11:51.420 Basically what he's doing is he's retard-proofing it.

00:11:53.320 If you have a vasectomy and you bust nuts at girls, you're not going to have a kid, so you're not going to fuck up your future when you're young and you're not in a position to raise that child.

00:12:00.040 That's what he's saying.

00:12:00.700 We all know what is men's biggest weakness.

00:12:03.200 Women.

00:12:03.820 And as a result, what happens is what's another factor for not having success?

00:12:08.280 Having a kid too early.

00:12:09.780 That's reality.

00:12:10.460 That's the number one wealth killer, dude.

00:12:11.500 It's kids.

00:12:11.940 If you really look at it.

00:12:13.380 It's the number one wealth killer.

00:12:15.200 Once again, we support families.

00:12:17.180 Yeah, we do.

00:12:17.480 But at the same time, what are you saying to become successful at a young age?

00:12:20.120 You can't say that you support families and also tell your audience to get a vasectomy.

00:12:24.420 We didn't say that.

00:12:25.200 We just said –

00:12:25.900 You're toting the fence about it.

00:12:27.120 We're explaining why you said that.

00:12:28.660 Do you agree?

00:12:29.540 I understand why you said it.

00:12:31.200 You see how you're ducking?

00:12:32.420 You see how you're ducking?

00:12:33.560 It's a simple question.

00:12:34.560 It's not about me.

00:12:35.340 It's about the generational –

00:12:36.200 I'm asking your opinion.

00:12:37.260 No, no.

00:12:38.540 Sneakler, you're funny.

00:12:39.620 It's just a question.

00:12:40.480 No, no, no, no.

00:12:42.020 Bro, we make the girls on the panel answer questions specifically all the time.

00:12:45.240 It's just do you agree, yes or no?

00:12:46.880 Personally, my decision –

00:12:49.020 Oh, duck it, man.

00:12:51.000 I'm just saying for you, bro.

00:12:52.240 Politician answer.

00:12:53.000 I understand why you're saying that.

00:12:54.600 Yeah.

00:12:55.560 See, your thing is he's talking about how to become a high-value guy.

00:13:00.120 That's good advice.

00:13:00.980 I have a follow-up question for the girls.

00:13:02.440 You're eliminating fuck-up bullshit, like shit that will fuck you up.

00:13:04.520 Can I ask her on the panel now?

00:13:06.300 Ladies here.

00:13:07.500 What is your definition of a high-value man?

00:13:09.680 We can start with Karen the couch.

00:13:11.020 Okay.

00:13:11.340 Well, first of all, thank you for advocating for that just now.

00:13:14.120 I appreciate a man saying that.

00:13:16.520 This is a nigga.

00:13:19.360 You're dodging like a motherfucker.

00:13:21.140 Yeah, you.

00:13:21.700 Wait, what was the title?

00:13:22.460 What was the question?

00:13:23.040 Sorry.

00:13:23.400 What are your qualifications for a high-value man?

00:13:25.880 Okay.

00:13:26.820 What's your idea of a high-value man?

00:13:27.980 A high-value man is somebody who's successful, who is intelligent, who is hardworking, and

00:13:36.080 who has integrity, and who's a genuine person.

00:13:40.360 We're going to let them define it?

00:13:41.740 Yeah.

00:13:41.800 You're not going to give them a...

00:13:42.580 Okay.

00:13:42.980 All right.

00:13:44.040 So, their definition of what...

00:13:45.580 Oh, you're asking them what makes a high-value man qualify?

00:13:49.040 Okay.

00:13:49.360 What qualifies a man as high-value?

00:13:51.140 Okay.

00:13:51.500 Okay.

00:13:51.680 Okay.

00:13:52.000 Not what they qualify.

00:13:53.160 Okay.

00:13:53.380 Yeah.

00:13:53.540 Yeah.

00:13:53.660 All right.

00:13:53.880 Cool.

00:13:54.560 So, you said what?

00:13:55.260 Integrity?

00:13:55.640 What else?

00:13:56.040 Integrity being genuine man of character.

00:13:58.360 Yeah.

00:13:58.940 And also, being good at what you do.

00:14:01.540 I think, too.

00:14:03.460 Okay.

00:14:04.740 What if he's good at playing World of Warcraft?

00:14:06.480 No.

00:14:07.040 Like, you know, be good at something in life.

00:14:11.960 Like, be successful at something in life.

00:14:13.580 Figure out what that is for you, and be impressive in that way.

00:14:17.640 Okay.

00:14:20.660 Just to add to what you guys were talking previously, I'm going to answer the question now.

00:14:24.180 It's just like the example.

00:14:25.260 Well, I forgot his name on the top of my head, but you guys should know.

00:14:28.660 The famous soccer player.

00:14:30.420 Oh.

00:14:31.340 That his, I guess he was getting a divorce or whatever, and most of his assets was towards

00:14:36.360 his mom.

00:14:37.320 Like, all of them.

00:14:38.620 That's something that I would advise my son.

00:14:40.600 Like, hey, if you feel doubts of who you're marrying or something like that, but you still

00:14:44.220 love them, you know, put everything under my name.

00:14:46.900 That wasn't the question.

00:14:50.580 No, I know, I know.

00:14:51.300 I just wanted to add to what was being spoken to previously.

00:14:54.620 But, what I think a high value man is ambition, integrity, like she said, honesty, loyalty,

00:15:02.760 actual loyalty.

00:15:04.360 And, yeah, basically that's it.

00:15:06.500 And hardworking.

00:15:08.980 Okay.

00:15:09.580 Very similar to that.

00:15:10.340 Yeah.

00:15:10.440 But, what about you?

00:15:12.840 Not that different, honestly.

00:15:14.600 Just being, like, hardworking, family-oriented, like, being there if we have a child, you know.

00:15:24.860 Integrity, too.

00:15:25.920 Like, having their, being focused on what they want to do in life.

00:15:31.120 Just not being all over the place.

00:15:33.020 I just want someone that's loyal and genuine and, like, happy with me, I guess.

00:15:43.400 Well, maybe don't answer the question about who you want to be with, but what do you think qualifies a man as someone who's high value?

00:15:49.520 That is high value to me.

00:15:50.940 Okay.

00:15:51.160 Like, honestly, you just need to be a good person.

00:15:53.960 And I think that that's high value.

00:15:55.980 Is your ex these traits?

00:15:57.360 Huh?

00:15:57.840 Is your ex loyal and genuine and a good person?

00:16:01.600 Was he?

00:16:02.140 No.

00:16:03.020 So, why do you hang out with him?

00:16:04.400 Because he's chill.

00:16:06.440 Because he's chill?

00:16:07.920 Yeah.

00:16:09.420 What the f-

00:16:10.060 Okay.

00:16:11.060 Because I want to.

00:16:11.860 I don't know.

00:16:12.360 The dick.

00:16:13.060 So, he's not loyal or genuine or good?

00:16:15.500 No.

00:16:16.100 Okay.

00:16:16.420 So, he's good.

00:16:17.460 Okay.

00:16:17.920 He's now genuine.

00:16:19.380 And I believe now he is loyal.

00:16:22.320 So, are you going to-

00:16:23.260 But not before.

00:16:25.120 I feel like people can grow, no?

00:16:27.200 Okay.

00:16:28.740 So, you know, never mind.

00:16:31.160 That's fine.

00:16:31.800 Go ahead.

00:16:32.100 So, I would say, like, to me, a high value man is someone that appreciates, like, his health.

00:16:37.880 So, like, health, like, as in fitness, just, like, eating well, like, skin care, things like that.

00:16:42.660 And, like, of course, like, being ambitious, loyalty, communication, honesty.

00:16:48.500 Okay.

00:16:48.980 I agree with the health thing because I've met a whole bunch of guys that think that, like, taking care of themselves is very feminine and they're, like, very against it and things like that.

00:17:00.320 And it leads to them just being dirty.

00:17:02.340 But I think that a high value man is a high value man is a man that has a goal in life and that he- I like a man with a lot of wisdom.

00:17:10.680 I like men that can, you know, tell stories and give advice and it's actual good advice and they know what they're talking about.

00:17:19.600 I also like a secure man.

00:17:21.640 I think that a high value man is insecure in himself and he, you know, he reps what he is and he doesn't care about, like, what other people have to say or what they're doing.

00:17:31.360 I think that's a very high value man.

00:17:34.360 All right.

00:17:36.720 I think a high value man is a successful man, a man that comes with a family-oriented, religious-oriented, somebody who takes care of the person that is next to him in a sense of, like, being a gentleman, opening the door, those little things that makes the big difference.

00:17:58.640 Okay.

00:17:58.940 Some traits of a high value man to me is someone who is respectful, also respected by others, treats other people how he wants to be treated, goal-oriented, brave, courageous, works on himself always.

00:18:21.580 Self-improvement is crucial, so whether that be health, spirituality, his physical body, always self-improving.

00:18:33.100 So I definitely think a high value man is who they are as a person, so I would want someone who has integrity, you know, someone who has some sort of passion, something they're working towards.

00:18:46.740 I really feel, I really appreciate passion.

00:18:48.840 I feel like it's something that drives me as well.

00:18:51.680 So, also I'd want them to be loyal and honest.

00:18:56.380 I really think a high value man is, if you know Maslow's hierarchy of needs, he's kind of at the top where he's at self-fulfillment and he's able to give back to others.

00:19:07.980 So he's holding himself at a high value and he does everything in his power to become the best person he is and then he's able to give back to other people too.

00:19:17.120 What I think is a high value man, someone that's like more mature in a sense, like they're past the phase, like especially here in Miami, like blowing their money on tables and bottles and going out.

00:19:36.460 Like a high value man, a high value man to me is like a workaholic, has his, like not his finances in order, but he knows how to spend his money rather than like waste it.

00:19:50.200 Okay.

00:19:51.300 I realized today and like while traveling the world that I probably agree with women's idea of a high value man more than the red pill space's idea of a high value man.

00:20:01.720 How dare you?

00:20:02.360 I think women, do you see how all of them, none of them brought up finances really?

00:20:06.120 None of them brought up like the way you look.

00:20:08.060 None of them talked about like what you wear and all of it is about character.

00:20:11.600 It's about the trad con pill, bro.

00:20:13.200 Yeah.

00:20:13.320 It's like a trad con pill, bro.

00:20:20.400 Look, it's important to have status in mind, but that's what this space is kind of avoiding a lot of the time is that that's an extremely important part of becoming high value.

00:20:30.100 And if you, we actually want to raise a family, that's an extremely important part of male self-improvement.

00:20:35.220 Nico, her man has these traits now.

00:20:37.140 Why is she with them?

00:20:38.700 Did you say that?

00:20:40.100 What?

00:20:41.200 Your man has those traits?

00:20:43.040 He's not my man, but I think he's working towards it.

00:20:46.680 That's why we're not together.

00:20:47.740 Because I don't want to do that.

00:20:48.140 He's working towards it.

00:20:48.660 He's not there yet.

00:20:49.500 They're in high school.

00:20:51.100 It's a high school relationship.

00:20:52.600 That's not a good comparison.

00:20:53.360 No, no, no, no, no.

00:20:53.780 But that's what I'm trying to say, bro.

00:20:55.060 Like the thing, the thing is that girls are going to say things that are politically correct.

00:20:59.780 And it sounds good.

00:21:01.560 Like, oh, notice how she said a guy who has his finances in order.

00:21:05.020 And then what did she say?

00:21:06.100 Doesn't spend his money stupidly.

00:21:07.800 That's having your, like your finances.

00:21:09.660 Like, I don't really care about finances, but like have their finance order, but not really.

00:21:13.160 But like, just don't spend money stupidly.

00:21:14.700 Her and the kids.

00:21:16.140 Like, I get it.

00:21:16.980 Like the girls are on a podcast.

00:21:18.120 They don't want to make themselves look like bad or whatever.

00:21:20.260 But dude, I mean, let's just keep it a thousand.

00:21:22.600 I always say all women are gold diggers.

00:21:24.780 Some are just better at hiding the shovel.

00:21:25.960 They hide it up with words like passion or ambition or drive.

00:21:30.760 Goals.

00:21:31.420 Goals.

00:21:32.140 Like, hey, man, look, man.

00:21:34.440 You got that Tradcon pill, bro.

00:21:36.160 So what's the alternative?

00:21:37.560 Getting of a set.

00:21:38.280 Like, are we advocating towards getting a surgery which prevents you from having children?

00:21:43.260 That's not even to...

00:21:44.580 Compare that to birth control is insane.

00:21:46.880 That surgery is not meant to be reversed.

00:21:49.060 It's meant to be permanent.

00:21:50.720 Not...

00:21:51.200 You didn't say like put on a condom or like be absent for a little bit.

00:21:55.020 The red pill ideology is literally avoid family creation and get a dick surgery.

00:22:01.040 Sneak up.

00:22:01.840 And you didn't even say no to that.

00:22:03.420 You're like, well, maybe.

00:22:05.100 You have to understand context.

00:22:06.740 What is the context?

00:22:07.560 The context...

00:22:07.940 How to become a high value man from the red pill godfather.

00:22:10.260 The fastest way.

00:22:11.680 The quickest way to do it.

00:22:13.500 That's important.

00:22:14.580 Dude.

00:22:14.760 He said the quickest way to do it.

00:22:16.920 Avoid family creation.

00:22:18.360 Focus on making money.

00:22:19.220 Go to the gym.

00:22:19.760 Get a vasectomy.

00:22:20.260 All the self-improvement stuff.

00:22:21.680 Because a lot of guys...

00:22:22.840 Remember, dude.

00:22:23.300 The average guy doesn't have much dick discipline.

00:22:25.300 They'll get a girl pregnant when they're 18, 19, 20, 21.

00:22:28.600 So if you got a vasectomy, what does it do?

00:22:30.020 It makes it retard-proof.

00:22:32.160 He's giving advice for the lowest common denominator.

00:22:34.540 Quickest way to be a high value guy for the lowest common denominator.

00:22:37.620 That's the advice, dude.

00:22:39.420 A lot of people don't like will sit there.

00:22:41.320 How many guys do you know that could have been stars that got a girl pregnant in high school?

00:22:43.900 Now, once again, context.

00:22:45.420 This is not geared towards families.

00:22:46.580 It's geared towards becoming successful in a high value light.

00:22:49.300 So who is the high value man who qualifies that?

00:22:51.960 Because all the women in here, they just said that it's about ambition.

00:22:54.000 It's about character.

00:22:54.600 Your personality.

00:22:55.460 Is it you flexing for other guys?

00:22:57.280 Who's qualifying?

00:22:58.260 Like, who are you becoming high value for?

00:23:00.040 Other dudes in the internet?

00:23:01.180 So ultimately, when you're done with that list, so to speak, and you're successful, you now are seen as a prize to women.

00:23:08.940 So for example, yes, you can have a good personality, have good energy, good vibe.

00:23:12.680 That's cool.

00:23:13.400 But long term, becoming successful is going to be the key factor for most people.

00:23:17.580 So you're just saying, get her faster, do these steps.

00:23:20.580 Now, ultimately, like I said before, family-wise is not, I want to say, the best way.

00:23:24.620 And here's the other thing too, bro.

00:23:25.900 I don't mean to call any of these ladies out, but they said a bunch of bullshit.

00:23:28.560 They don't even care about any of these things unless they're attracted to you first.

00:23:31.420 Of course not.

00:23:32.260 What makes you attractive, though?

00:23:33.640 Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:23:34.820 But you're not going to give a fuck about his personality or being genuine or his integrity if he's not handsome enough or if he doesn't qualify.

00:23:41.160 But I wasn't talking about what they're attracted to.

00:23:43.080 It's their idea of a high-value man.

00:23:44.920 So then what's more important?

00:23:46.540 But they're not going to give that guy a chance unless he meets certain prerequisites.

00:23:49.440 Girls always assume attraction when you ask them.

00:23:52.100 I feel like you're assuming that.

00:23:54.360 I'm assuming what?

00:23:54.900 That somebody, I feel like there's a lot of girls who you could use the word settle, you know, if it fits the odds.

00:24:02.140 So you'll accept integrity, passion, loyalty, and honesty.

00:24:05.420 A homeless guy can give you that.

00:24:06.740 I mean, I think there's a lot of girls.

00:24:08.720 I think you're exaggerating the situation.

00:24:10.260 No, no, no, no.

00:24:10.580 I think there are a lot of girls.

00:24:11.460 It's not that – what I'm saying is that women give surface-level answers that a multitude of men can actually give them.

00:24:17.320 But the problem is that they only want it from a minority of men because girls, right?

00:24:21.800 Because a lot of these things you guys mentioned, dude, you know how many guys can give you guys this?

00:24:25.980 But y'all ain't picking them.

00:24:27.700 So many.

00:24:28.480 Come on, man.

00:24:28.500 Let's operate a reality here.

00:24:29.760 The dude, he doesn't even get to show you these traits unless he's attractive first.

00:24:34.100 That's my point.

00:24:35.240 So what makes him attractive?

00:24:36.580 Maybe his height, maybe the way he speaks to you, his tonality, all these things.

00:24:41.480 His game.

00:24:42.060 How many guys you got in a friend zone right now?

00:24:45.080 What is the friend zone?

00:24:46.920 How many guys you have right now that you're friends with that you're not currently having sex with?

00:24:51.100 I don't know.

00:24:52.140 You're in the music industry, correct?

00:24:53.320 Yeah.

00:24:53.680 Guarantees a bunch of guys that are in the friend zone.

00:24:55.040 In my inbox, yeah.

00:24:56.100 Yeah, for sure.

00:24:56.860 And you talk to them and you know them.

00:24:58.300 Maybe they help you here and there, blah, blah, blah, right?

00:25:00.380 I guarantee a bunch of those guys have these things that you mentioned.

00:25:03.560 Right.

00:25:03.740 But you ain't giving them a chance because they don't meet a look level.

00:25:06.580 Or if they're not handsome enough or they're not confident enough, maybe they're not tall

00:25:10.060 enough.

00:25:10.560 Right.

00:25:10.720 So what I'm trying to say is that girls give surface level bullshit that a bunch of guys

00:25:14.540 can get to them, but they're not attractive enough so they don't care that these guys

00:25:17.720 have these traits.

00:25:19.160 So being high value, bro, it's like they only care about these traits and consider high value

00:25:23.780 for it when it's from the right guy.

00:25:24.940 Right.

00:25:25.280 But let's not just talk about when it becomes, when it comes to being attractive.

00:25:30.200 What's more important, being successful or having a family?

00:25:33.560 Having a family.

00:25:37.540 What do you, what do you guys think?

00:25:39.040 So it seems like the red pill ideology is that being successful is more important.

00:25:43.420 It's not about attracting a woman.

00:25:44.860 Like what's more important for a man?

00:25:46.160 What's a, what should a man's priority be having a family or being successful?

00:25:49.440 Being successful first every single time, because then you have the ability to choose,

00:25:53.680 but not anymore.

00:25:54.720 Not if you get the vasectomy, then you can't have the family.

00:25:57.940 Dude, you can undo a vasectomy.

00:25:59.920 Like, I don't know why you keep saying like, you can undo a vasectomy.

00:26:03.080 It's that one point.

00:26:04.240 It's that one point that has you tripped out.

00:26:05.620 Remember, but it says avoid family creation.

00:26:08.220 Like we get beginning stages, bro.

00:26:10.880 Dude, that's not a long term.

00:26:12.560 It's a short term.

00:26:13.960 He said quickest way, which means short term strategy to building your value up as quickly

00:26:18.080 as possible.

00:26:18.540 That's retard proof.

00:26:19.340 That's not going to get you.

00:26:20.420 And I'm not saying that you should have a kid when you're extremely young, but I am

00:26:24.700 saying that we should be focused on becoming good fathers too.

00:26:27.800 Just like we make fun of girls for prioritizing their careers and wanting to be girl bosses

00:26:31.520 and want to build an empire.

00:26:32.660 They're not prioritizing motherhood immediately.

00:26:35.320 And then we're saying men ignore family creation, get a vasectomy so you can focus on getting

00:26:39.520 rich and then you'll be 40.

00:26:41.080 You'll have all these, uh, all these hoes and girls and then start a family.

00:26:44.860 Like how are we building men to become good fathers?

00:26:47.500 If they've been only prioritizing success, if they have a dick surgery, how do they have

00:26:52.600 the character that's going to lead a proper family?

00:26:55.080 So you're saying because they've dealt with a bunch of hoes first, so they know what a

00:26:58.640 good woman is.

00:26:59.400 So you're saying us as men, when we're young, should have kids early, right?

00:27:03.580 No, no, no, no, but what's the priority then?

00:27:08.120 It doesn't mean that you need to have kids young, but it shouldn't be avoid family creation

00:27:13.240 in your head.

00:27:13.600 That's an important thing to think about when you're young too.

00:27:15.460 How am I going to be, how am I going to have the character?

00:27:17.820 How am I going to have the maturity, the responsibility to become a good father when I am ready to

00:27:21.340 do it?

00:27:21.740 So what age should men have kids then?

00:27:23.560 I would say early thirties is probably ideal.

00:27:27.580 Yeah.

00:27:27.780 I would say like early thirties, mid thirties.

00:27:29.480 See, you just moved that point.

00:27:31.260 That list is for people in their twenties, not, not, not their thirties.

00:27:34.760 Well, there you go.

00:27:35.660 You have a vasectomy, you can't have kids in your early thirties.

00:27:38.860 That's the point of the surgery.

00:27:40.180 No, you can maybe reverse it, but you can't have like, that's what that surgery is permanent.

00:27:43.980 So all of the twenties, what should I be doing?

00:27:46.300 You should be working on your character.

00:27:47.740 You should be working on your maturity.

00:27:49.140 You should be getting closer to God.

00:27:50.060 A lot of the things that we're praising the women for to become a good mother, that's important

00:27:53.940 things for men to focus on too.

00:27:55.700 I work on character.

00:27:56.300 I didn't say be broke.

00:27:57.180 It's equally important to work on your finances.

00:27:59.640 Women aren't going to say that.

00:28:00.400 Of course, I'm telling guys, you should get rich as possible too, but you should also be

00:28:03.980 working on like building your character and looking at how I'm going to raise my kids and

00:28:07.700 how I'm going to be a good father.

00:28:08.660 If you're 40 and you have all these hoes and you have, you have experience with hoes,

00:28:13.040 is that going to make you a better father?

00:28:14.920 Probably not.

00:28:15.760 You'll just know how to avoid a bad woman, but it's not that you don't need to fuck a

00:28:18.620 hundred women to realize what a hoe is.

00:28:20.620 A hoe is a girl.

00:28:21.340 You look at her Instagram, you know she's a hoe or not.

00:28:23.020 You don't need to get all these women in order to understand that.

00:28:25.400 No, you don't.

00:28:26.500 Can I be able to decipher from experience who's a hoe and who's not?

00:28:33.160 We're just saying, look, do you think it's that hard to see who a hoe is?

00:28:35.720 Bro, come on, really?

00:28:38.520 I feel overall men should have a self-control when they're in their early 20s.

00:28:42.340 Yes, by nature, like, you know, you're going to go be promiscuous and all of this, but you

00:28:46.640 also can have a, if you're working to get closer to God, you will create a self-control

00:28:51.320 within yourself to not be sexually like promiscuous and just having sex with everyone and get

00:28:56.880 someone pregnant.

00:28:57.920 And can I say, you could use a condom too.

00:28:59.780 Can I say too, I think what Sneeko is also trying to explain is that when you have a

00:29:05.020 culture that bashes Western women about how we're focusing on the wrong things when we're

00:29:10.400 young, but then you praise men for perpetuating that culture.

00:29:14.940 I think what Sneeko is trying to say is we need to teach men to have similar values to where

00:29:19.960 we can come to the same page so that we don't damage each other and hurt each other in our

00:29:24.300 20s and then you're 40, you're a 40 year old man and you have a bunch of young bimbos

00:29:29.840 around you and you don't know how to have a relationship with somebody who's quality.

00:29:34.460 Okay.

00:29:34.980 What's the funny part?

00:29:35.800 You know, that sounds great.

00:29:36.780 I'm laughing because it's because the thing is, is that feminism is here and it's not

00:29:40.700 going anywhere.

00:29:41.560 You just heard all these girls answers.

00:29:43.480 What is feminism?

00:29:45.200 Quite literally what I do need to give the answers you just gave a second ago.

00:29:49.200 Feminism.

00:29:50.720 Feminism.

00:29:51.180 Building an empire.

00:29:51.880 Yeah.

00:29:52.440 Like all of you guys gave very masculine answers when we asked you, we asked you first

00:29:56.560 it was, do you want to be a mom?

00:29:57.740 Then we asked you, what are you working on right now to be a mom in the future?

00:30:01.100 All of you gave masculine answers to be able to provide work on your education, whatever,

00:30:05.860 which is cool.

00:30:06.720 But what I'm saying is that all of you guys are young and your answers show the indoctrination

00:30:10.760 that feminism is here and it's not going anywhere.

00:30:12.940 It's even seeping into women from foreign countries.

00:30:15.420 So Sneeko, I get what you're saying, bro.

00:30:17.400 So is it a better advice?

00:30:18.760 Here, let me just finish real quick.

00:30:20.100 In an ideal world, I wish it was 1950.

00:30:21.880 I wish we could go back to guys getting married at 21, 22, having a wife that is great and

00:30:26.460 everything else like that, the trad con life.

00:30:28.520 But that those days are gone, bro.

00:30:30.020 Like if guys sit here and say, I'm going to, I really want to be a dad and they don't have

00:30:34.960 sexual experience.

00:30:35.620 They're sending themselves up for failure.

00:30:37.260 You can see all these trad con relations going down the tubes and I get it.

00:30:40.420 Like it sucks.

00:30:41.000 It's fucked up.

00:30:41.580 But at the end of the day, men are the ones that risk everything when they become a father,

00:30:45.280 when they get married, et cetera.

00:30:46.880 Women are incentivized to leave the guy.

00:30:48.740 So I'm, we're operating in 2023 standards, not 1950 standards.

00:30:52.880 Women risk their bodies to give birth to kids.

00:30:55.500 How can you say they don't risk anything?

00:30:57.600 Bro, seriously?

00:30:58.800 Yeah.

00:30:59.940 In our time.

00:31:00.920 Let me ask you a question.

00:31:01.480 Hold on.

00:31:01.700 Okay.

00:31:01.880 Go ahead.

00:31:02.640 Who has to bring more to the table to get a relationship?

00:31:05.320 The man or the woman?

00:31:08.140 The woman.

00:31:09.480 Really?

00:31:09.880 The man.

00:31:11.080 Thank you.

00:31:11.500 Someone's operating.

00:31:12.460 I mean, at first, yeah, the man has to, you know, most of the times court the women,

00:31:16.740 but at the end of the day, like.

00:31:17.840 Oh, no, no, no.

00:31:18.380 What does he have to have to even be able to court the woman?

00:31:21.540 I mean, whatever she thinks is attractive to her, whether physical or, you know, mentally.

00:31:27.360 Okay.

00:31:27.600 Let me answer it for you because you don't want to be blunt about it.

00:31:29.700 Women look for certain things.

00:31:31.320 Height, income, strength, competence, confidence, ambition, all these things that take time to

00:31:36.380 acquire.

00:31:36.720 When a man gets with a woman, he's effectively nine out of ten times better than her in most

00:31:41.280 regards.

00:31:42.060 That's the truth.

00:31:42.620 Women don't date down.

00:31:43.620 They date up.

00:31:44.440 And you answer this so confidently because you yourself are a woman?

00:31:48.140 I know exactly what women want because men, unlike women, have to know what women want

00:31:51.400 to get them, but women don't have to know what men want to get them.

00:31:54.000 Yeah.

00:31:54.360 And you date those guys, so.

00:31:56.700 Like, the reality is men have to approach women, correct?

00:32:00.020 Majority of the times, but I think with these other times, I don't know.

00:32:01.880 Men have to ask women on dates, correct?

00:32:04.120 Majority of the times.

00:32:04.740 Men have to initiate conversation.

00:32:06.820 Majority.

00:32:07.320 Men have to plan a date.

00:32:08.760 Majority.

00:32:09.160 So, effectively, they have to understand women to get sex, correct?

00:32:12.680 Correct.

00:32:13.140 Women are the under-receiving end, which means they're the ones being courted, correct?

00:32:16.720 In the beginning stages, correct.

00:32:19.080 Yes.

00:32:19.540 So, in other words, the guy has to bring a lot to the table to even get a chance to

00:32:22.820 be able to court the girl, correct?

00:32:25.520 At the beginning stages, correct.

00:32:27.120 Okay.

00:32:27.380 So, the point I'm trying to make is, is that men must bring way more to the table to even

00:32:31.920 get the attention of a woman.

00:32:33.080 So, therefore, when they get in the relationship with the girl, they're bringing more resources

00:32:36.460 and bringing more to the table than women do in general.

00:32:38.640 Men don't ask much for women, but women ask a lot for men.

00:32:40.960 So, yeah.

00:32:42.700 I think that's really, I think that's based on your relationship.

00:32:46.400 I think, I think that men ask for a lot more than they think they ask for.

00:32:51.260 But, when it comes to resources, yes, you guys do come with a lot and you guys do bring

00:32:56.440 a lot and provide for us.

00:32:57.960 But, I think when it comes to mental, spiritual, and things like that, we provide a lot for

00:33:04.020 men.

00:33:04.260 It's not tangible, though.

00:33:05.780 Yes, it's not tangible.

00:33:07.060 But, when you work on your spiritual, your mental, it elevates everything in your life.

00:33:11.780 Because, if you look at people who are making money, where is their mind space at?

00:33:15.960 They don't pay the bills.

00:33:17.000 Listen.

00:33:17.380 Money pays the bills.

00:33:18.480 That's what I'm saying.

00:33:19.620 What you're bringing to the table is nice.

00:33:20.960 This is great.

00:33:21.720 But, ultimately, for the family to actually survive, you've got to pay the bills.

00:33:24.920 If you look at empires, who is the woman on the side of the man?

00:33:28.980 Nobody knows.

00:33:29.680 Nobody knows.

00:33:30.160 Pretty much.

00:33:30.680 But, she's there.

00:33:31.520 The kings are known.

00:33:32.720 But, she's there.

00:33:34.280 Yeah, but in the background.

00:33:35.840 We're saying, ultimately, for a family to work, money is going to be important.

00:33:39.420 Money is extremely important.

00:33:40.280 But, the part that I disagree with you, Myron, is that we agree that feminism has completely

00:33:45.500 ruined most women in the West.

00:33:47.140 Yeah.

00:33:47.560 But, the advice from the space is, instead of navigating that, instead of just navigating that,

00:33:50.960 trying to find a good woman, get a vasectomy, and then sleep with all of them, and then

00:33:54.980 understand their nature.

00:33:56.140 Why not just avoid, why not just understand that a lot of these women are unwifable, and

00:34:00.380 then navigate around that instead.

00:34:01.840 And, just not spend your time and invest your energy into women that you don't even respect

00:34:05.580 your life in the first place.

00:34:06.120 No, because even if you do find a traditionally conservative woman that will sit there and

00:34:09.740 be a good wife or whatever.

00:34:10.400 She'll crowder you.

00:34:11.200 Huh?

00:34:11.500 She'll see and crowder you.

00:34:12.000 She can still crowder you.

00:34:12.780 Because, the thing is, this is what I want guys to understand.

00:34:16.940 Even if your girl loves you, whatever, and you guys have a relationship, everything else

00:34:20.600 like that, the upside of her leaving you is so high.

00:34:25.200 She gets so much benefit that a lot of the time, women aren't going to sit there and deal

00:34:29.380 with it.

00:34:30.000 The duty, they're like, fuck that.

00:34:31.220 I can get half his money, get the kid, get child support, live this same lifestyle, and

00:34:35.820 go date someone else that's going to make me happy.

00:34:37.060 I'm not even advocating towards marriage.

00:34:39.100 I'm advocating towards family creation.

00:34:40.540 Well, I think it's worthwhile to get married within the church or within the mosque, and

00:34:43.760 then avoid that whole legal battle.

00:34:45.260 Don't give away half your money.

00:34:46.700 Get married with a religion.

00:34:47.680 Then we can have a conversation.

00:34:48.680 That's my point.

00:34:49.240 I never said that other thing.

00:34:50.220 You think I'm going the Tradcon route.

00:34:51.760 It's over.

00:34:52.320 Like, Steven Crowder's wife proved that.

00:34:53.660 That's going to happen.

00:34:54.420 They were married when they were virgins.

00:34:55.920 They were the only people.

00:34:56.620 And then she still said, you're emotionally abusing me.

00:34:59.080 Garbage.

00:34:59.460 That video was edited.

00:35:00.160 She stole it.

00:35:01.560 Women are incentivized to do it.

00:35:02.640 Hakimi, she brought that up on the couch.

00:35:04.180 It's not a good idea.

00:35:05.140 But if you get married within a religion, and then you could give her...

00:35:08.500 There's still some states that will look at that as a marriage of the state, dude.

00:35:11.840 And child support as well.

00:35:12.680 We had a whole podcast with lawyers on that.

00:35:14.440 There's no escape, bro.

00:35:15.100 Child support.

00:35:16.040 And then, dude, once again, those states you mentioned before, if you're too long in the

00:35:19.780 same household, that's for what?

00:35:21.040 So don't even do it.

00:35:21.860 Just give her the ceremony.

00:35:22.600 Most of these women, they just want to put on a dress.

00:35:24.160 They want to feel pretty.

00:35:24.780 They want to take pictures.

00:35:25.360 Nah, no.

00:35:26.980 They want the whole ceremony.

00:35:28.340 If you're actually high value, yeah.

00:35:29.900 If they do the ceremony, it doesn't mean you need to get, like, legally married.

00:35:32.460 If you can get around that.

00:35:33.260 They want the papers, bro.

00:35:33.900 They don't want the papers.

00:35:34.920 They don't give a fuck about the papers.

00:35:36.060 They just want the pictures in the white dress.

00:35:37.440 Who wants?

00:35:37.940 Bro.

00:35:38.440 It's like, let me get the ideals that you want, which is perfect.

00:35:41.740 I think, dude, I think 100% it should be that way, but it's not, bro.

00:35:44.720 It's not.

00:35:45.460 Yeah.

00:35:45.700 I know it's not, but there's better ways.

00:35:47.200 My point, there's better ways to navigate it than getting a surgery that prevents you from

00:35:52.520 having children.

00:35:53.300 That's just not good advice.

00:35:54.960 Like, yeah, that's extremely black pill.

00:35:57.080 That's not going to create a good future society.

00:35:59.900 But here's my thing.

00:36:01.140 I'm saying women are not going to concede on feminism.

00:36:03.580 They're going to continue to progress.

00:36:05.200 They're going to continue to chase careers.

00:36:06.620 They're going to continue to be ambitious and make money.

00:36:08.840 This is the future of the women.

00:36:10.140 All these girls here are young.

00:36:11.360 So what I'm saying is that as men, you need to acclimate to the new environment.

00:36:16.000 Women prioritize money and success now more than family a lot of the times, and that's

00:36:20.720 fine.

00:36:21.180 Okay.

00:36:21.340 So can I get acquiesced to that new and normal?

00:36:23.460 Can I get a yes or no in this question?

00:36:24.640 Hold on real quick.

00:36:25.920 Rollo's here in the chat.

00:36:26.740 He says, a lot of presumption going on today.

00:36:29.540 Getting a vasectomy doesn't have to mean banging random chicks.

00:36:32.000 Right.

00:36:32.020 So he's advocating for a vasectomy.

00:36:33.380 I want to hear a yes or no, at least.

00:36:35.820 Myron, like, yes or no.

00:36:36.780 Yes or no what?

00:36:36.960 Should the men watching this get a vasectomy to become a high value man in their 20s?

00:36:41.360 Again, I told you, it's a sliding scale on the male.

00:36:45.080 If the guy makes money and he's promiscuous, having a vasectomy might be a good move for

00:36:51.060 him.

00:36:51.640 But if you're a dude, you're not smashing girls like that, or maybe you have a monogamous

00:36:55.700 relationship, then maybe no.

00:36:57.560 Just wear a condom.

00:36:58.300 Don't be a retard.

00:36:59.180 But it depends on the individual, man.

00:37:01.140 You don't have a hard service on this.

00:37:03.060 No, you can't.

00:37:03.640 Because here's the thing with men.

00:37:04.700 Men don't have the same sexual options that women do.

00:37:07.680 There's a minority of men that are fucking all the girls.

00:37:09.700 We know this.

00:37:10.500 So you can't put the same set of rules on one set of guys as other guys, because other

00:37:14.440 guys don't have the ability or the option to even get the girls.

00:37:16.920 I think it's equivalent to, like, having a stance on abortion.

00:37:19.920 You can either be pro-life or pro-choice.

00:37:21.580 You're pro-choice, for example.

00:37:22.520 You're pro-choice.

00:37:23.240 I'm pro-life.

00:37:24.020 I don't think that people should think of abortion as a birth control option.

00:37:28.040 Like, I think a vasectomy can be as hard as that.

00:37:30.540 I think it's the equivalent.

00:37:31.700 It's like an abortion for men.

00:37:33.860 I think you should have a hard stance on an issue like this.

00:37:36.500 You ever use a plan B?

00:37:38.940 Don't like.

00:37:39.600 Yeah.

00:37:40.840 Nigga, shut up.

00:37:41.880 Shut up, bro.

00:37:42.640 Plan B's not abortion.

00:37:44.000 Yo, bro.

00:37:44.600 Plan B's not abortion.

00:37:44.980 It is pre-abortion, bro.

00:37:46.020 Come on, man.

00:37:46.580 It's for the mental security, not for the killing the baby thing.

00:37:49.540 You funny, Snickle.

00:37:50.400 You funny.

00:37:51.160 Are you really going to equate a plan B to an abortion?

00:37:53.440 Nigga, you just said...

00:37:54.660 That's not the same thing.

00:37:56.280 We all know that's not the same thing.

00:37:58.040 You have to go into the clinic.

00:37:59.100 You killed the baby, Snickle.

00:37:59.660 I didn't kill no baby.

00:38:01.220 I just didn't want the panic.

00:38:03.140 I didn't want the tax.

00:38:04.580 I just wanted to go to clarity.

00:38:06.920 Novostectomy, right?

00:38:07.940 Yeah.

00:38:08.440 No plan B's then.

00:38:10.300 That's fair.

00:38:11.000 That's fair.

00:38:11.820 That's fair.

00:38:12.560 No, man.

00:38:13.280 That's fair.

00:38:13.660 I've done it in my past, but I don't advocate towards that.

00:38:16.220 I would say it's probably not the best option to pick a plan B.

00:38:19.160 His new name is Sneak On.

00:38:24.200 Sneak On, bro.

00:38:25.620 Sneak On.

00:38:27.280 Sneak On.

00:38:28.520 2023.

00:38:29.540 Sneak On.

00:38:30.420 Sneak On.

00:38:30.960 Sneak Onservative, man.

00:38:31.620 Oh, man.

00:38:32.080 You're not a conservative?

00:38:33.540 Here's the thing.

00:38:34.680 I have conservative views on most things, but there are some things that I just have to

00:38:38.920 operate on 2023 standards, bro.

00:38:41.140 I wish it was 1950, Sneak On.

00:38:42.600 I really do, bro.

00:38:43.260 I wish I could.

00:38:44.100 And here's the other thing, too.

00:38:44.880 I'm not saying it's 1950.

00:38:45.960 I'm not going forward with the TradCon mentality.

00:38:49.660 I'm saying that it's just better to avoid these women and try to-

00:38:52.980 You got to go somewhere else.

00:38:54.120 That's-

00:38:54.820 Okay.

00:38:55.620 That's better advice than-

00:38:57.300 It's better advice than-

00:38:58.500 Look, bro.

00:38:59.620 Most Americans don't have passports.

00:39:01.000 Let's keep it all the way in 1,000.

00:39:02.320 Most Americans never leave the United States.

00:39:03.680 When we tell guys to go get their money up and get in shape, why can't you tell these

00:39:06.840 guys to get a passport?

00:39:07.440 Stick up.

00:39:08.120 Stick up.

00:39:08.440 I agree.

00:39:09.500 You're going to find good women in America.

00:39:11.300 The problem is to find good women that actually want to be with you and with the family.

00:39:16.960 Genuinely, it's going to be tough because most men are visible.

00:39:20.660 Yeah.

00:39:20.860 We agree on that.

00:39:22.080 Right.

00:39:22.900 So we're just saying, have your options, but you need to know how to filter.

00:39:27.520 And these steps that Rollo said earlier-

00:39:29.600 Okay.

00:39:29.880 Stop ducking.

00:39:30.480 Hard stance.

00:39:31.640 Pro or con.

00:39:34.320 I'm going to give you this.

00:39:36.160 As a man, you got to decide for yourself.

00:39:39.160 Individual stance and goals will determine-

00:39:41.400 Advice for your audience.

00:39:42.340 They really value-

00:39:43.140 You guys are the number one men self-help podcast in the world, right?

00:39:46.180 Yeah.

00:39:46.400 I think this is an important issue to have a stance on.

00:39:49.180 I'm going to ask you directly.

00:39:50.720 So audience, as a man, right?

00:39:52.540 You have to decide for yourself, what do you want?

00:39:54.420 Do you want a family or do you want to be successful?

00:39:57.340 But ultimately, what leads to what?

00:39:59.240 I'm just saying, personally speaking, if you're successful, you have a better chance of getting

00:40:03.080 a better family.

00:40:04.400 And at the same time, proving Rollo's point, vasectomies do help certain men because, once

00:40:10.400 again, men are horny as fuck, bro.

00:40:11.920 They want to fuck bitches.

00:40:13.000 So once they fuck girls, what happens with, like you said earlier, plan B's because things

00:40:16.780 do happen.

00:40:17.580 So avoid this mistake or things happening out of weblock.

00:40:21.220 You should actually get-

00:40:22.120 I think you're looking into the vasectomy way too much.

00:40:24.120 Yeah.

00:40:24.220 He's giving advice to make it retard-proof, bro.

00:40:26.240 Pretty much.

00:40:26.660 I understand that, but now I think we can go further and I think our value system is

00:40:31.320 different.

00:40:31.680 I think that overall, in your life experience, the happiest state you're ever going to be

00:40:35.300 in is with children, is with grandchildren.

00:40:37.480 I don't want to die.

00:40:38.260 I could be in my funeral bed and have a bunch of Lambos and watches around me, but that's

00:40:42.440 not going to make me happy.

00:40:43.140 I want to have my grandchildren there.

00:40:44.520 Okay.

00:40:44.800 That is the most important part of your legacy.

00:40:46.720 That's fair.

00:40:47.320 Do you agree?

00:40:48.000 What's more important to you?

00:40:48.920 I agree.

00:40:49.360 Having a family is good for your legacy, 100%.

00:40:51.620 Is that the most important-

00:40:53.500 But how you get there is very important because, once again, if you're a bro,

00:40:56.640 you can't help your family.

00:40:58.260 And what's the point of having a family?

00:40:59.800 To me, personally speaking, if you can't afford to raise your family, there's no point

00:41:03.780 having a family.

00:41:04.460 Facts.

00:41:04.940 No, you're a bum like Chris.

00:41:07.560 That's not cool, bro.

00:41:08.620 Sorry, Chris.

00:41:09.840 Just saying.

00:41:10.280 Yeah, I mean, I think, Sneeko, you're kind of, like, men don't adhere to the same timeline

00:41:15.320 that women do.

00:41:16.300 Like, women have a finite amount of time to find a man.

00:41:18.600 You know what I mean?

00:41:19.100 Like, for you ladies that are in your mid-20s, 30s, etc., like, y'all need to, like, really

00:41:22.800 rush and get pregnant and have a family.

00:41:25.460 For us, bro, you can have kids until you're 40, 50, whatever it may be.

00:41:29.240 And you might be a better dad at that age because you're more experienced.

00:41:31.480 You have your money.

00:41:32.160 Mature.

00:41:32.440 You can put your kids in private school versus putting them in public.

00:41:35.380 You can really, your woman doesn't have to work so she can stay and raise the kids.

00:41:38.940 So I look at it like, okay, I might put off kids for 10 years, right?

00:41:42.980 And I'm putting off the family, but I worked at it 10 years extra.

00:41:46.780 Now my wife don't got to work.

00:41:47.920 Now my kids can go to private.

00:41:49.500 Now my kids have a driver.

00:41:51.100 Now we're in the best neighborhood.

00:41:52.160 Now I don't got to worry about shit.

00:41:53.380 So is it worth it to have a family younger when I could have acquired more status and

00:41:56.980 resources to give the children a better life?

00:41:59.740 Ladies.

00:42:00.280 I will say that 10 years is worth it because as a man, you're not on that time clock.

00:42:03.200 Ladies, real quick.

00:42:03.980 What do you prefer?

00:42:04.920 Having kids early on with your high school sweetheart or having kids later on with someone

00:42:09.300 that's successful and can take care of you and the family?

00:42:11.900 What do you prefer?

00:42:13.160 Later on.

00:42:14.380 What do you prefer?

00:42:15.300 Later.

00:42:16.340 Definitely later.

00:42:17.380 Later.

00:42:19.280 On the, between, like now and 30s.

00:42:22.780 Like 27 and 30s.

00:42:23.400 So in between?

00:42:24.240 Yeah.

00:42:24.560 Okay.

00:42:25.760 I think later, but also really depends on like where the man is too.

00:42:30.320 So you want kids now?

00:42:31.540 No.

00:42:32.120 But that's because also I can't talk.

00:42:34.000 Like, it's not like there's a man in my life where I've met someone and I'm like, oh,

00:42:37.900 I could have a kid.

00:42:38.660 What if you did?

00:42:39.820 You want kids right now?

00:42:40.720 Be honest.

00:42:41.320 Don't cap.

00:42:42.020 I'm watching you right now.

00:42:43.580 Me?

00:42:44.040 I'm not in the position.

00:42:45.200 Okay.

00:42:46.060 What about you?

00:42:47.120 I would say later.

00:42:48.280 Later.

00:42:48.420 With the right person.

00:42:49.300 Maybe soon.

00:42:50.380 For you?

00:42:51.120 Later.

00:42:51.780 For you?

00:42:52.380 Later.

00:42:52.680 For you?

00:42:55.080 Oh.

00:42:55.640 Well, I basically waited till later.

00:42:57.960 So later.

00:42:58.700 Yeah.

00:42:59.660 But I don't think he's explaining like to have it at a young age.

00:43:04.100 Like, I think he's explaining that it's just to have a family.

00:43:07.460 I mean, it depends also what you guys consider of like, what is being rich?

00:43:11.260 What is being successful?

00:43:12.120 Having money?

00:43:12.680 I mean, you could be a middle class man, find a good woman and have a family.

00:43:16.060 You know?

00:43:17.160 Middle class is pretty much gone.

00:43:19.120 Nowadays is to have or have nots.

00:43:20.680 Or have nots.

00:43:21.540 But what about you?

00:43:22.740 Later.

00:43:23.740 So ultimately, Nico, you can see here on the panel, we prefer a mature, successful man

00:43:29.360 that can take care of the family, not just someone that's going to be character built.

00:43:33.740 And what's the other one you said?

00:43:35.980 More mature.

00:43:36.780 Good father.

00:43:37.420 Good father.

00:43:37.740 Good father.

00:43:38.240 Good father.

00:43:38.540 So just saying.

00:43:39.220 Good father.

00:43:39.760 Yeah.

00:43:39.960 But I talked to a lot of guys.

00:43:41.200 Actually, you know, Tristan Tate specifically said like, he actually wished he had kids when

00:43:45.160 he was younger.

00:43:45.760 I think he had his first daughter when he was in his early 30s.

00:43:47.940 And he said, I probably should have.

00:43:49.420 He was successful.

00:43:50.880 When he was 24, 25, he wasn't.

00:43:53.220 They were broke until they were like 28.

00:43:54.980 That's when they made their first million.

00:43:56.100 They talk about all the failed business they've had.

00:43:57.620 I've talked to a lot of fathers who at a certain point, they're like, yeah, there's

00:44:00.740 no reason why I shouldn't have had kids earlier.

00:44:02.620 It actually makes you become a better provider.

00:44:05.200 You become more mature sooner.

00:44:06.660 I see a lot of benefits to having kids young that is an advocate.

00:44:09.520 And I understand you don't want to have kids with the wrong person, but it will build

00:44:12.780 you as a man from what people tell me more than anything else.

00:44:16.360 It gives you more responsibility.

00:44:17.460 It gives you a bigger purpose in life.

00:44:18.940 It's going to give you that extra motivation that...

00:44:21.280 I better see what a kid next year, nigga.

00:44:22.520 Facts.

00:44:23.240 I would argue how many thousands are deadbeats.

00:44:29.240 Yeah, a lot of them.

00:44:29.860 Many.

00:44:30.560 So that point is mute because, bro, once again, that can be a possibility.

00:44:35.320 Was it a probability?

00:44:36.860 Is it really going to happen?

00:44:38.200 Who knows?

00:44:38.720 It's up to fate.

00:44:39.680 I'm just saying, personally speaking, odds are better off.

00:44:43.260 Yeah, but the odds that the 19,000 people watching are going to become high-value men

00:44:46.900 is as equal as they're going to become successful fathers.

00:44:50.480 We say you need to become a high-value man.

00:44:52.080 Why don't we say you should also become a high-value father?

00:44:55.300 Right.

00:44:56.160 Because you become a high-value father from conquering other things so that when you come

00:44:59.840 home, your son looks at you as the hero.

00:45:02.540 You don't think you could conquer and raise a kid at the same time?

00:45:05.960 What's that?

00:45:06.280 You can't conquer and have kids at the same time?

00:45:08.780 Why not?

00:45:09.460 Why do you need to go conquer the world before you have kids?

00:45:11.480 Why can't the two?

00:45:11.960 Because it becomes very difficult for you to conquer the world while simultaneously being

00:45:16.580 the best father.

00:45:17.480 I think it's best to become that superhero, build it, then have the children, and they

00:45:22.120 look up to you.

00:45:22.860 So when your kid walks into a room, he's like, oh, you're such and such, son.

00:45:27.160 I look at it like that.

00:45:28.700 Your kids shouldn't even be looking at superheroes or athletes.

00:45:31.320 They should be like, I want to be like my fucking dad.

00:45:33.500 That's how I look at it.

00:45:34.360 And for you to be that guy, you have to build it first, man.

00:45:36.920 It takes decades.

00:45:37.620 I mean, I thought of my dad as a superhero my whole time growing up, and he wasn't like

00:45:42.200 high-value, like extreme status with a bunch of Lamborghinis.

00:45:46.780 He works a normal job.

00:45:49.180 But I always looked up at him as a superhero because of how he was in the home and how he

00:45:53.900 was raising us.

00:45:54.660 You don't have to be a conqueror to think of like to admire your dad and respect your dad.

00:45:59.560 A lot of it is about the character and the way that they raise you.

00:46:01.760 That was the most important thing.

00:46:02.780 I always saw him as a superhero, but he didn't conquer the world.

00:46:08.220 Yeah.

00:46:08.480 I mean, like I said, that's subjective.

00:46:10.660 But I would argue in today's social media world with television and everything else like

00:46:14.060 that, I mean, dude, it's very competitive.

00:46:16.680 So I think as a man, you should build it, have the family.

00:46:20.980 Everything is established.

00:46:22.080 Castle's already built.

00:46:23.080 It's good to go.

00:46:23.900 Now, is it great and gratifying to build something with a woman and have children in the process

00:46:28.100 and kind of figure it out as you go?

00:46:29.540 That's great, too.

00:46:30.660 But I would argue in today's day and age with the economy getting worse, the nuclear family

00:46:34.620 dying, the fact that inflation is a big thing, you need to make more money to survive.

00:46:39.100 Like the days of figuring it out, like the 1950s on one income are done, bro.

00:46:42.560 Like if you don't have your shit together as a man and you're not providing, like your

00:46:46.280 wife shouldn't even be working, in my opinion.

00:46:47.680 I don't think your girl should work.

00:46:48.980 I think she does want to work.

00:46:49.920 Unless she wants to.

00:46:50.680 But for you to be able to do that, yeah, I think she should be working electively, not mandatory.

00:46:54.100 You work mandatory.

00:46:54.800 She works electively for you to be able to give your woman that privilege.

00:46:57.520 You got to really bust your ass.

00:46:59.180 Yeah.

00:46:59.420 We agree on that completely financially, but I see that as part of the big decline of

00:47:04.420 the West.

00:47:05.120 And I understand that we're teaching men how to operate in a society that is not incentivized

00:47:10.300 for you to have a family.

00:47:11.080 But that's the only solution to fix this problem is to raise some good children and have a

00:47:15.000 good family.

00:47:15.380 That's the only fix.

00:47:16.300 It's not changing, bro.

00:47:17.480 That's what I'm trying to like.

00:47:18.280 Feminism is here.

00:47:18.940 I'm trying to tell you, like feminism is here.

00:47:21.200 It's not.

00:47:21.980 They're not conceding.

00:47:22.720 Yeah, like women don't want to be wives.

00:47:25.100 They want to get married, but they don't want to be wives when and when half the population

00:47:28.500 doesn't want to be wives, you can't force them.

00:47:30.740 And then on top of that, most women, let's keep it a thousand, don't like most men.

00:47:34.840 An average dude 50 years ago, I'm telling you, an average dude 50, 60 years ago could

00:47:40.500 have had a regular factory job and gotten a dutiful wife that would stay home, be able

00:47:44.740 to raise a family.

00:47:45.320 Nowadays, women are like, fuck this shit.

00:47:47.100 I could get my own money.

00:47:48.700 Why do I need to be saddled to this average guy?

00:47:51.160 Fuck that.

00:47:51.560 I'm going to chase my own education.

00:47:53.060 A big part of feminism is it allows women to get better guys.

00:47:57.320 Most women don't like most men, bro.

00:47:58.780 That's just how it is.

00:47:59.540 You want a point?

00:48:00.180 Sorry.

00:48:00.520 Yeah, I was going to say, you guys were talking earlier about how the market in the West is

00:48:05.340 bad, about how women just want to chase.

00:48:08.020 Yeah, kill Twitter and Facebook.

00:48:10.440 And how Sneka was saying, you know, after traveling, there's a lot of different cultures that, you

00:48:15.900 know, really respect certain things, like especially in Asian cultures.

00:48:18.520 And I'm sure in like European cultures, family is huge.

00:48:22.080 Yeah.

00:48:22.200 So, I mean, you can't knock it that you just said with social media and the internet, everything's

00:48:27.360 getting globalized.

00:48:28.460 Yeah.

00:48:28.640 So these Western cultures are just going to continue spreading.

00:48:31.060 So to say that to have passport rows and to just outsource your market isn't going to

00:48:36.600 work in the long term because it looks like these values, like you said, feminism is here

00:48:40.880 to stay.

00:48:41.400 So I think that...

00:48:42.040 In the United States, yes.

00:48:42.520 I think Sneko is right.

00:48:44.000 Like you have to start now.

00:48:45.240 Like it starts with your legacy and what you're doing to change the future.

00:48:48.220 Oh, really?

00:48:48.640 Okay.

00:48:48.880 You know what?

00:48:49.620 Quit your job.

00:48:50.560 Go find a man.

00:48:52.060 Right now.

00:48:52.840 Oh, there you go.

00:48:53.440 Oh, right now.

00:48:53.980 Like, bro, this is too easy.

00:48:55.860 Like, yo, you really want to...

00:48:57.840 It sounds good.

00:48:58.480 It starts here.

00:49:00.340 Quit your job.

00:49:01.700 Go get an average dude working at a factory, make it 30, 40K per year and have a family with

00:49:05.900 him.

00:49:06.740 But you just said...

00:49:07.760 Exactly.

00:49:08.500 That's my point.

00:49:09.740 No, no, no.

00:49:10.160 You said women now are...

00:49:13.680 Like everybody said here, financially...

00:49:15.740 Being financially stable is so important, right?

00:49:18.080 Yes.

00:49:18.400 Because in today's age, one income isn't going to work, right?

00:49:21.520 Oh, wait.

00:49:22.680 You triggered my trap card.

00:49:24.260 This is too fucking easy.

00:49:25.640 Proving my point even more.

00:49:27.060 Like you say, oh, we go back to the traditional.

00:49:28.700 Okay.

00:49:29.320 Quit your job.

00:49:29.820 Be a traditional woman.

00:49:30.460 Find a guy that's average.

00:49:31.120 I didn't say quit traditional.

00:49:33.220 I was saying that, you know, as time continues and globalization will continue.

00:49:40.780 The Western ideals and feminism is just going to continue to prosper.

00:49:44.460 Yeah.

00:49:44.980 So why would you tell people to outsource and go to different countries for women?

00:49:48.960 Because there's other places in the world where it hasn't seeped yet.

00:49:51.380 And more than likely, I hate to say it, the poorer the country, typically the more ingrained

00:49:55.280 people are in their gender roles.

00:49:56.760 Colombia.

00:49:56.860 This is why places like Colombia, Brazil, et cetera, guys are going to these countries

00:49:59.920 because the women are traditionally feminine.

00:50:01.540 The men are traditionally masculine because they have to be based on the country's economy

00:50:05.740 and agricultural, et cetera.

00:50:07.380 Yeah, but that's not going to last forever.

00:50:09.180 So what are you going to do?

00:50:10.580 That's true.

00:50:11.000 Yeah.

00:50:11.460 Well, there's always going to be richer countries and poorer countries.

00:50:13.600 That's going to last forever.

00:50:15.680 I think there would definitely be a difference, but I think the ideology and feminism is going

00:50:19.980 to continue.

00:50:20.800 Like you said, it will, but it's not going to spread at the same rate in other places

00:50:24.980 and other places might not accept it at all.

00:50:27.100 You look at very religious countries, right?

00:50:28.560 You look at like a Saudi Arabia, et cetera.

00:50:30.120 They're never accepting that shit.

00:50:31.540 They just let women drive.

00:50:32.300 Even in Colombia, people are finding out about like that gold mine, so to speak, and it's

00:50:37.520 like a splash of like, you know, things going on there, but it's not fully taken over the

00:50:41.480 whole country.

00:50:42.080 I agree with you.

00:50:42.980 Like, it's not going nowhere, but I mean, my example just proved it just now.

00:50:46.300 Like, you're not going to yield on and concede on your feminist views, and a lot of women

00:50:51.060 aren't.

00:50:51.700 I mean, you're not going to quit your job, right?

00:50:54.100 Not at the moment, no.

00:50:55.080 Exactly.

00:50:55.440 You're not.

00:50:55.840 So, and a lot of you won't, which is cool, but I'm telling guys, don't expect women to change.

00:51:00.040 They're not going to.

00:51:00.780 So, you have to adapt to the market.

00:51:02.540 Well, what about, okay, I don't think that's fair to say, because you're going based off

00:51:08.780 of all women in the, okay, you can roll your eyes, cool, but.

00:51:12.340 Generally.

00:51:12.960 I'm not rolling my eyes.

00:51:13.700 I'm listening.

00:51:14.240 The thing is, is that men don't like it when women generalize men, right?

00:51:20.100 Women don't like it when men generalize us, too, because.

00:51:23.700 Actually, I've never heard a guy complain when a girl generalizes men.

00:51:26.820 When women say men are dogs and everything, I don't see guys complaining.

00:51:29.580 You're like, yeah, we are.

00:51:31.500 It's true.

00:51:32.300 Yeah.

00:51:32.520 Okay.

00:51:32.980 This is the women that get mad about generalizations, because y'all all think you're special.

00:51:36.080 No, it's not about being special.

00:51:37.920 It's about the fact that people change.

00:51:41.660 And yes, women are more masculine these days.

00:51:45.880 We, as we've seen, women are more masculine these days.

00:51:49.520 But let's look at why.

00:51:51.000 Why are women more masculine these days?

00:51:53.080 It goes back to what we were raised, what we've seen while we were raised, how we were

00:51:57.780 raised.

00:51:58.140 A lot of women grew up in households where there was just a mother, you know?

00:52:02.280 So now.

00:52:02.520 I'm going to answer your question.

00:52:03.220 Hold on.

00:52:03.600 Yes.

00:52:04.060 With all due respect.

00:52:04.860 Let's say I was broke.

00:52:06.180 Okay.

00:52:06.380 And I was fat.

00:52:07.420 And I was smoking pot every day.

00:52:08.800 Okay.

00:52:09.200 And I wanted to go on a date.

00:52:10.380 Would you give me a chance?

00:52:11.740 No.

00:52:12.240 Okay.

00:52:12.840 So you don't give a fuck about my problems.

00:52:14.100 Why should I give a fuck about yours?

00:52:15.260 Oh.

00:52:15.520 No, it's not about.

00:52:16.140 No, no, hold on.

00:52:16.760 I find it amazing how women can reject men, right?

00:52:20.140 And y'all don't give a fuck why we're losers or we're fat or not where we want to be.

00:52:23.540 But y'all expect us to accept the fact that you're masculine.

00:52:25.780 And better yet, we need to know why and understand why and accept you.

00:52:29.060 No, you don't need to accept that.

00:52:30.380 So who cares about your problems that you're masculine?

00:52:32.140 Okay.

00:52:32.560 It's not about accepting being masculine.

00:52:34.620 It's about finding a balance between a relationship.

00:52:37.320 Because there are some women who want to work, as you said.

00:52:40.420 Oh, so I got to find a balance when I'm dealing with you.

00:52:42.080 But you would never give me a chance to find a balance.

00:52:43.340 I'm not saying that.

00:52:44.420 I'm not saying that.

00:52:45.340 Let's balance this joint.

00:52:46.260 So let's do it.

00:52:47.080 Bouncing Cheetos.

00:52:47.580 So let's do it.

00:52:48.080 God, you would never give me a chance.

00:52:49.120 You don't know that.

00:52:50.280 You saying that.

00:52:51.280 It's all best and best.

00:52:52.460 No.

00:52:52.900 If you're coming to me and you're not working on yourself, you're big and you're smoking weed, getting high, you're not doing anything with your life.

00:53:00.020 Yeah.

00:53:01.140 Okay.

00:53:01.440 If you come to me and you act like me and you're a dude and you're masculine, I don't like that.

00:53:04.500 That's the equivalent.

00:53:05.640 And that's fine.

00:53:06.580 Did you see what I did there?

00:53:07.460 Yeah.

00:53:08.360 See how you rejected me for certain traits?

00:53:10.400 I didn't bat an eye.

00:53:11.240 Yeah.

00:53:11.520 But you're saying I'm masculine.

00:53:12.800 Here's why.

00:53:13.320 I don't care.

00:53:13.920 You're masculine.

00:53:14.560 It's over.

00:53:15.200 It's over.

00:53:16.180 Okay.

00:53:16.640 So you don't want.

00:53:17.700 Okay.

00:53:18.040 So say you like a woman, right?

00:53:19.640 The world doesn't give a fuck about your problems.

00:53:21.340 Just like y'all don't give a fuck about our problems.

00:53:23.220 It's not a problem, though.

00:53:24.440 It's something that can be fixed.

00:53:27.420 It's something that we can learn to.

00:53:29.640 A masculine woman is always masculine, bro.

00:53:32.320 Like, like, that's like you.

00:53:33.580 That's like me saying, oh, you know, I like to twist my hand like this and everything.

00:53:37.540 But I turn it off every now and then.

00:53:38.760 Fuck, no.

00:53:39.220 I'm just gay.

00:53:39.880 Like, I'm feminine as fuck and women and it's going to come out eventually.

00:53:43.380 But if you're a masculine woman, it's going to come out eventually.

00:53:45.560 Just like me.

00:53:46.000 I'm a feminine man.

00:53:46.580 It's going to come out.

00:53:47.120 And you're like, ew, the fuck?

00:53:48.620 That's disgusting.

00:53:49.200 Why are you acting like a girl?

00:53:50.160 Same thing for me.

00:53:51.040 Ew, that's disgusting.

00:53:52.220 Why the fuck are you acting like a guy?

00:53:53.920 I get what you're saying, though, because ultimately some women do want to make a change.

00:53:57.100 But imagine being this way for 25, 30 years.

00:54:00.940 That won't change overnight.

00:54:02.120 That's not.

00:54:02.380 Right.

00:54:02.640 And ultimately, at the same time, is it going to change fast enough for us to stay together?

00:54:07.020 Probably not.

00:54:07.900 Maybe, maybe not.

00:54:08.740 That's the sad part.

00:54:09.500 Hell, I might not even give you a chance if you act like, talk to me like this and shit.

00:54:13.660 Yeah, nigga.

00:54:14.180 Nigga.

00:54:15.000 No, the thing is, I understand what you're saying because I do see where I can be very

00:54:19.600 masculine.

00:54:20.060 I do see other women where they can be very masculine.

00:54:22.240 And the more that I realize in myself that, okay, this is too damn masculine, it makes me

00:54:27.960 realize, okay, men are not attracted to this.

00:54:30.060 You know, men love feminism, not that in that sense, but men love.

00:54:34.840 You mean feminine women?

00:54:35.800 Yes, feminine women, femininity.

00:54:39.200 And like you said, it's something that needs to be worked on.

00:54:44.160 We need to learn how to be more feminine because we are not.

00:54:47.900 And again, back to what he's saying, we don't concerned about your problems.

00:54:51.240 I understand that.

00:54:52.160 But we have to learn how to be more feminine.

00:54:54.220 That's just the day and age that we're in.

00:54:55.680 We have to learn how to be more feminine.

00:54:57.520 Yeah, but I mean, think about this, right?

00:54:59.840 Think about this.

00:55:00.540 Think about this.

00:55:01.440 Here's the scary part.

00:55:02.420 Like you said that, you know, you know that you're masculine or whatever.

00:55:05.160 Those are just the times you caught you.

00:55:06.700 You caught yourself.

00:55:07.580 Right.

00:55:07.780 Think of all the times that a dude came up to you and maybe wanted to talk to you or maybe

00:55:10.940 he saw you interact with your friends or he saw the way you spoke.

00:55:13.240 They're like, oh, damn, she was cute, but damn, I'm good.

00:55:14.940 I'm not going to go up to her.

00:55:16.060 Here's the difference.

00:55:16.620 Women, when y'all get curbed, y'all get curbed silently.

00:55:18.600 You don't even know you're getting curbed.

00:55:19.640 Yeah.

00:55:20.040 With us, we got to get curbed right up front.

00:55:21.480 We got to walk up to you.

00:55:22.840 Hi, you're cute.

00:55:23.480 I have a boyfriend.

00:55:24.200 Ew.

00:55:24.600 Ew.

00:55:25.400 No.

00:55:26.080 Stay away.

00:55:26.660 Men get curbed up front so we know we're a loser.

00:55:29.140 Y'all don't get curbed up front so you don't know when you guys are losers.

00:55:32.120 That's what sucks with women.

00:55:33.100 You guys don't get negative reinforcement for your fuck up.

00:55:35.980 That's why so many girls think they're special.

00:55:37.340 They don't self-improve.

00:55:38.320 I don't get rejected because no guy comes up to me and then they don't understand.

00:55:41.780 No guy comes up to you because you act like a fucking guy.

00:55:43.940 At least for us, we go up to a girl.

00:55:45.660 Ew, I'm good.

00:55:46.280 You get rejected after 50 times.

00:55:47.840 You're like, damn, maybe I need to go to the gym or maybe I stink.

00:55:50.540 Or they want to smash.

00:55:52.120 So they'll play the game to get a couple of smashes.

00:55:54.020 So you know what?

00:55:54.620 I'm good.

00:55:55.300 And then leave you.

00:55:55.960 And then you wonder, why did he ghost me?

00:55:56.960 Because once again, you're too masculine, but he didn't want to say it to your face.

00:55:59.860 Yeah.

00:56:00.200 Pretty much.

00:56:00.820 We'll turn it to the guest.

00:56:01.780 Sneeko, you had another thing.

00:56:03.060 Ashina, let's do the girls.

00:56:05.320 Oh, have the girls asked a question?

00:56:06.580 You got another one or no?

00:56:07.360 No, that was my question.

00:56:08.380 That was your question.

00:56:08.900 Okay.

00:56:09.120 Chats.

00:56:09.760 Yeah, we can hit the chat.

00:56:11.040 Actually.

00:56:11.840 We have a lot of chats.

00:56:12.940 Oh, we have a lot.

00:56:13.520 Okay.

00:56:13.860 Before I read the chats, any ladies had any things that they wanted to talk about that topic?

00:56:17.600 Had anything, disagreements, whatever?

00:56:18.800 I actually do have a question.

00:56:20.400 Yeah.

00:56:24.020 Does like a more masculine woman?

00:56:26.580 Yes.

00:56:27.120 Yes.

00:56:27.600 That like lowers him.

00:56:28.360 There's always a balance.

00:56:29.300 Typically, yeah.

00:56:30.040 Right.

00:56:30.480 Okay.

00:56:30.680 Like ultra masculine guys, like ultra feminine women.

00:56:33.140 And then you get these kind of like bisexual people in the middle and they're like, the woman's really masculine and the guy's like pink hair and stuff.

00:56:40.420 Right.

00:56:40.880 Okay.

00:56:41.120 So like if a woman was like feminine, but masculine, like not fully feminine, but not fully masculine.

00:56:48.240 That makes sense.

00:56:48.920 Huh?

00:56:49.900 Exactly.

00:56:50.540 I said the same shit when you said.

00:56:52.360 Yeah.

00:56:52.560 It's like half and half because I know some girls like that.

00:56:55.360 They're like, like, not really.

00:56:57.400 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:56:58.040 They speak a certain type of way.

00:56:58.920 You say, you know, girls like that.

00:57:00.600 Yeah.

00:57:00.940 They're going to find a guy who's a sim.

00:57:03.020 Yeah.

00:57:04.280 That's like low key what they like.

00:57:06.500 No, that's not what they like.

00:57:07.460 They're power chipping right now.

00:57:08.800 The relationship never works out.

00:57:10.420 Yeah.

00:57:10.820 They're single.

00:57:11.500 Yeah.

00:57:11.780 No.

00:57:12.420 This is what happens with simps.

00:57:13.680 The girl will tolerate him for a bit and then realize like, God damn, this guy's such a bitch.

00:57:17.580 I talk to him crazy.

00:57:18.840 No.

00:57:19.000 Yeah.

00:57:19.200 She eventually gets bored and leaves him.

00:57:20.440 Real.

00:57:21.120 Real.

00:57:21.400 Yeah.

00:57:21.840 That's happened a couple of times.

00:57:23.140 Yeah.

00:57:23.240 Like, so that's the problem.

00:57:24.520 Like masculine women.

00:57:25.460 The thing is, is that the problem with masculine women is they need hyper masculine men.

00:57:29.240 And the guys that are hyper masculine damn near need to smack that bitch to get her in

00:57:33.040 line.

00:57:33.280 And I'm, and most guys don't want to do that unless you get a really toxic guy that will

00:57:37.040 do that.

00:57:37.460 And that turns girls on and you have this fucked up relationship.

00:57:39.660 But most guys that are masculine that are not pieces of shit don't want super masculine

00:57:44.220 women.

00:57:44.440 Cause they know like, yo, this is a pain in the ass.

00:57:46.200 I'm dealing with myself.

00:57:47.600 So yeah, most of the time when I see a guy with a masculine woman, his value is low.

00:57:52.420 Okay.

00:57:52.740 Like he doesn't have the ability to return to attract a naturally feminine woman because

00:57:56.900 naturally feminine women need guys that are masculine to compliment that.

00:58:00.340 My advice for you, if you're 18 and you're like that, you're kind of masculine.

00:58:03.300 Sometimes I wouldn't try to look for a guy that's going to balance that out.

00:58:06.800 I would try to stay in my feminine state more and get with the masculine.

00:58:09.740 That's going to be a happier relationship.

00:58:11.180 Dude.

00:58:11.320 I honestly, I'm not going to hold you.

00:58:12.720 Like when I was more of my younger age, I was trying to be very masculine.

00:58:16.720 Her boyfriend is simp.

00:58:17.840 Huh?

00:58:18.620 Nevermind.

00:58:19.700 Now your boyfriend is simp, bro.

00:58:20.680 I already know.

00:58:21.840 No, like I was actually, I was trying to be, I was trying to be really masculine as a kid

00:58:25.900 and like growing up, but I learned that I don't really like that.

00:58:29.940 And that's not me being my full self.

00:58:31.600 So I was trying to get more into my feminine side.

00:58:33.380 That's why I wanted to know.

00:58:34.460 What do you think turns you into a masculine woman?

00:58:36.900 Because you don't seem like you have that much testosterone in your body.

00:58:39.820 Right.

00:58:40.180 Okay.

00:58:40.480 So I'm not going to hold you like, I, I am not a pocket with, I'm not going to, I'm

00:58:45.980 low-key out of pocket, like with my manners sometimes.

00:58:48.400 Like I burp, like, like hardcore burping.

00:58:51.740 And I sit like, like a man would sometimes.

00:58:54.860 You manspreading?

00:58:55.300 Huh?

00:58:55.660 You manspreading?

00:58:56.940 And sometimes I put like, cause I learned it from my dad.

00:59:00.140 Like my dad is like my hero too.

00:59:01.760 So like whenever I see him doing something, I usually copy it, but I need to learn that

00:59:05.500 I'm my own person.

00:59:06.580 Yeah.

00:59:06.900 So that's what I, that's what I've been doing.

00:59:08.640 Cause it's like, no, my mom.

00:59:10.460 My mom is home.

00:59:10.980 I love her.

00:59:12.120 It's just like, she does her own thing, but I've always looked up to my dad more for some

00:59:17.040 reason.

00:59:17.540 Cause he's like the breadwinner low key.

00:59:19.880 They're both like equals, but not the same.

00:59:22.400 Yeah.

00:59:22.820 I think you should go on Snapchat less.

00:59:24.880 I think you need to take a break from the social media because that that's where the programming

00:59:30.060 starts.

00:59:30.660 That's where women are taught that this is what you're supposed to do.

00:59:33.520 You won't get any negative reinforcement for that.

00:59:35.580 It's encouraged.

00:59:36.240 You're told to be girl bosses.

00:59:37.520 Lay up the Snapchat a little bit.

00:59:39.340 Yeah.

00:59:40.260 Be all right.

00:59:40.620 Okay.

00:59:41.960 We've got some chats here.

00:59:42.980 I have, I have a question.

00:59:44.120 I mean, something to ask.

00:59:46.920 Um, so what would you guys say?

00:59:51.040 Because I think the fair, like as a woman, we all here in this table and over there, we're

00:59:59.160 all scared of being called, um, masculine gold diggers.

01:00:04.280 Gold diggers?

01:00:04.880 Yes.

01:00:05.840 I don't think.

01:00:06.880 Wait, wait, wait.

01:00:07.280 That's not a bad thing.

01:00:08.040 No, no, no, no, no.

01:00:08.720 Wait, wait.

01:00:09.040 So this is my question.

01:00:10.340 Um, I, if you ask them, are you, aren't you scared of being called gold digger?

01:00:15.420 That's why you're, that's why you're answering those things, that emotional things, you know?

01:00:19.300 So my question is how, or, okay, we have two things or one single thing, either a woman that

01:00:27.340 is, um, with a woman energy, right?

01:00:30.880 Or a gold digger, or we have, or it's the same.

01:00:35.060 And it's the same, it's the same, a woman with female energy and a gold digger.

01:00:40.740 And it's the same way that you say, excuse me or pardon me.

01:00:44.400 So here's the thing about gold digger.

01:00:45.820 The people that are going to use that term are jealous women and broke men.

01:00:49.600 So just don't be in those circles anymore and don't let that affect you.

01:00:52.260 I actually think that if, if any of you answered that, I understand why you said all the

01:00:56.400 things about character and maturity and emotions, because you don't want to be seen like a gold

01:00:59.920 digger on a men's, on a men's podcast, but I actually think that that shows proper traits

01:01:04.120 in a woman who's looking to be a mother, because you want to have a guy who's rich and successful

01:01:07.780 and that's able to provide for the children.

01:01:09.520 It's not a bad thing to want a rich guy.

01:01:11.080 You're a gold digger when you're trying to, when you don't care about him and then you

01:01:13.820 divorce him or you leave after you get the engagement ring, just because you wanted

01:01:17.540 to get the ring.

01:01:18.100 That actually does happen a lot of time and the woman won't return the ring.

01:01:20.680 But if you are valuing a guy who is successful because he has the right traits in order

01:01:24.460 to become rich, he's smart, he knows how to navigate the world.

01:01:27.180 I think that that's a good trait to, for a woman to look for.

01:01:30.460 That's not a bad thing.

01:01:31.260 And just don't let that shame get to you.

01:01:33.620 It's only broke dudes saying that.

01:01:35.020 We, I don't think that I wouldn't call you that.

01:01:37.180 I'm asking it because I've seen like rich guys, successful guys, and they're like mid,

01:01:42.920 mid thirties, 29, 35.

01:01:45.280 And they just call them or call us gold diggers just for being female energies.

01:01:51.020 You know what I'm saying?

01:01:51.520 So I think that's why, that's what makes us scared of being honest.

01:01:56.340 Yeah.

01:01:56.700 I mean, yeah.

01:01:57.280 But, but all girls look for guys that make more money.

01:01:59.200 My thing is this, if you don't want to be a gold digger as a woman, reciprocate value.

01:02:02.580 And what I mean by that is if the guy's making money, right?

01:02:05.460 And he's successful, you don't just come in and be an annoying bimbo, not doing shit.

01:02:09.020 That's what most hot girls do.

01:02:10.160 And that's why they get labeled a gold digger and useless.

01:02:12.380 But when you come in, you add value, you make his life easier.

01:02:15.080 You're pleasant to be around.

01:02:16.080 You make him look good in front of his friends.

01:02:17.480 You're, you're helping him out with shit.

01:02:18.840 You see him like he's trying to book a trip or some shit like, yo, I got, I'll take care

01:02:22.440 of that for you.

01:02:22.920 You're helping him with like bullshit that he doesn't want to necessarily do.

01:02:25.580 Like that's when you're adding value.

01:02:27.060 He can't call you a gold digger then.

01:02:28.820 He can't because you're adding value.

01:02:30.440 Women only get called gold diggers when they're useless.

01:02:34.660 So.

01:02:35.340 No, I think you.

01:02:36.120 Good point.

01:02:36.440 No problem.

01:02:37.100 Would any of the guys here get a vasectomy right now?

01:02:41.240 Why or why not?

01:02:42.840 That's pretty good question, actually.

01:02:44.480 No, that's a good question.

01:02:45.780 No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't get one.

01:02:52.200 I mean, no, I've never gotten one.

01:02:53.560 I wouldn't get one, but I would have knocked someone that was in my position that would,

01:02:59.300 you know what I mean?

01:03:00.000 So.

01:03:00.680 Why wouldn't you get one though?

01:03:02.760 Me?

01:03:03.180 You didn't answer.

01:03:04.180 Cause I'm old bro.

01:03:05.040 I'm 33.

01:03:07.220 Who knows?

01:03:08.540 So what about you?

01:03:09.420 I might've already did that.

01:03:13.720 No, that's good.

01:03:15.140 And then sneak, oh, you, it's a no for you, right?

01:03:17.660 For real?

01:03:18.200 You got the snip?

01:03:20.880 Move on.

01:03:21.640 Wow.

01:03:22.660 Fresh is snip, bro.

01:03:23.720 Fresh is trans.

01:03:24.460 Nah, I didn't.

01:03:25.400 I wouldn't get that.

01:03:27.460 I wouldn't get that.

01:03:28.980 No, I just, I don't have that problem.

01:03:32.540 Freshina.

01:03:33.060 That makes sense.

01:03:34.840 All right.

01:03:35.220 That's it.

01:03:40.700 Is this your job?

SNEAKO - May 04, 2023

SNEAKO Debates Fresh and Fit on Vasectomies!

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