SNEAKO

00:00:00.840 I'm not really familiar with your content, and I just saw that fresh and fit reaction.

00:00:07.500 And just to get into the debate's last conversation, can you explain your point of view?

00:00:14.100 Well, I thought that we were going to talk about masculinity primarily, so I'd be more

00:00:17.960 than happy to just jump into that.

00:00:19.100 Because when I watched your reaction to my fresh and fit breakdown, I think that you

00:00:25.820 were like, you seemed like floored over my statement that masculinity is a social construct.

00:00:32.500 What does that mean to you?

00:00:33.740 Because I hear that being thrown around by a lot of Twitter liberal people.

00:00:37.160 What does that mean, masculinity is a social construct?

00:00:40.740 So what it means is a lot of the times people think that masculine and male are just one

00:00:46.540 and the same, like synonymous, when in reality, there is biological males, of course, and then

00:00:53.560 the expectations that we place on those males, how they should communicate the fact that

00:00:59.340 they are male, is masculinity, and it's that that is socially constructed.

00:01:04.140 So there are definitely biological characteristics that we have classified as masculine, like

00:01:09.700 physical strength, right?

00:01:11.080 But there's not any one way to be masculine.

00:01:14.920 And finally, I think another good example is that height.

00:01:17.960 There's not one way to be masculine?

00:01:20.180 No, there's, I mean, there's not just one way to be masculine.

00:01:22.600 You could be weak physically, but engage in other types of behaviors that might be categorized

00:01:29.160 as masculine.

00:01:30.800 There's no one way to be masculine.

00:01:34.020 Okay.

00:01:34.580 Do you think you're as masculine as somebody like a UFC fighter?

00:01:41.540 Or even me?

00:01:42.600 Okay, why?

00:01:43.540 Is that a social construct or is that just basic biology?

00:01:47.340 No, because what you're missing is that we as humans have categorized these certain behaviors

00:01:52.340 as being masculine.

00:01:53.900 So you saying, I have big muscles, we have categorized that as masculine.

00:01:59.500 Women can have big muscles, but it doesn't mean that she's necessarily masculine. 1.00

00:02:03.620 Similarly, height also is oftentimes considered masculine.

00:02:07.300 And that is also based on biology.

00:02:09.020 But it's women who wear high heels to become taller. 1.00

00:02:12.400 And that's considered feminine. 1.00

00:02:13.960 So height can be masculine.

00:02:15.380 But if a woman is tall because she's wearing high heels, that would be feminine. 1.00

00:02:18.940 There's no one way to be masculine.

00:02:20.040 So when you say social construct, when I hear people say this, it basically just comes down

00:02:24.440 to the fact that you're just like, humans have definitions for words.

00:02:28.480 That's it.

00:02:29.080 Well, partially, yeah.

00:02:31.300 But that doesn't mean that everything is a social construct.

00:02:34.120 Because again, it's not just the definitions.

00:02:36.580 It's also what is the definition referring to?

00:02:39.520 There's a collection of behaviors that are laid out in society as to how men should behave.

00:02:46.700 And that's considered masculinity. 0.72

00:02:49.140 I can give you an example here.

00:02:51.340 This comes from the conformity to masculine norms inventory.

00:02:55.480 It specified 11 norms as far as masculinity.

00:02:59.020 Winning, emotional control, risk-taking, violence, dominance, playboy, self-reliance,

00:03:05.660 primacy of work, power over women, disdain for homosexuality, and pursuit of status.

00:03:11.400 So plenty of that is socially constructed.

00:03:13.780 The idea that you're a man, you need to be winning, that's socially constructed.

00:03:17.900 There's nothing innate to men that means they have to win.

00:03:21.380 What's your point?

00:03:22.160 What's the point in saying that it's a social construct?

00:03:24.280 My point is that we have decided that certain behavior is masculine.

00:03:29.760 And so long as we're able to acknowledge that, we can also then have conversations about the

00:03:34.460 aspects of masculinity that are harmful to men.

00:03:38.800 Toxic masculinity? 0.98

00:03:40.680 Partially, but I also recognize how that term has been just completely destroyed.

00:03:44.020 Well, that's what you're saying.

00:03:44.880 You're saying harmful masculinity, it's the same thing.

00:03:47.280 So you're saying that there's certain parts of masculinity that we shouldn't embrace and

00:03:51.560 we should let that go because it's toxic, harmful.

00:03:55.900 Well, yeah, partially, yes.

00:03:57.280 But it's not just toxic to like the whamen, right? 1.00

00:04:00.060 It's toxic to the men.

00:04:02.040 It hurts men specifically.

00:04:04.660 And that's why I tried to...

00:04:06.200 What parts of, what do you think is toxic masculinity?

00:04:09.040 Uh, the idea that you should suppress emotion.

00:04:12.800 The idea that showing, uh, if you cry, for example, as a man, that's seen as being weak.

00:04:18.820 That is absolutely detrimental to a man's mental beauty.

00:04:21.980 You're really going to argue with me and say that crying isn't weak?

00:04:25.080 It's not.

00:04:27.380 And it's further evidenced by the fact that masculinity is a social construct.

00:04:32.120 So for example, this comes from a historian.

00:04:33.820 Okay, don't keep repeating that.

00:04:35.220 How, it's very basic things like, yes, you should be able to express your emotions, but

00:04:40.180 would you cry on camera?

00:04:43.720 I mean, maybe.

00:04:45.040 It would depend on what I was talking about.

00:04:47.060 Would you...

00:04:48.060 Wait, wait, wait, hold on.

00:04:49.040 I'm not just, I'm not, wait, wait.

00:04:50.080 I'm not just repeating that masculinity is a social construct.

00:04:53.160 I'm explaining that in the Middle Ages, there was a trope of masculine weeping being a mark

00:04:58.400 of religious devotion and knightly chivalry.

00:05:00.980 So by the 16th century, it was well established that a masculine man was supposed to have deep 0.73

00:05:05.420 emotions and to show them, in some cases, through tears.

00:05:09.020 So the fact that at one point that was masculine, and nowadays not showing emotion is considered

00:05:15.400 masculine, demonstrates that masculinity has changed, which demonstrates that it is a social

00:05:20.920 construct.

00:05:21.100 Is that because you have one thing from the 16th century that you just read?

00:05:24.700 No, that's not just the one thing.

00:05:26.060 Do we want to look back at ancient Greece? 0.98

00:05:27.720 You know, small penises used to be a symbol of masculinity back then. 1.00

00:05:32.300 Yeah, they were also having gay butt sex in Greece. 1.00

00:05:35.560 That's irrelevant to what I just said. 0.99

00:05:37.880 It's pretty relevant.

00:05:38.280 Do you acknowledge that certain aspects of masculinity have changed over time and throughout

00:05:42.480 history?

00:05:44.240 Yeah.

00:05:45.600 Okay.

00:05:45.920 You can be steered and go off into the wrong things, but masculinity and femininity is parallel 0.96

00:05:51.080 in every single animal kingdom.

00:05:52.920 Not just humans, but you don't see the leader, the father of a family in any animal needs to

00:05:58.460 be strong, needs to be guided, needs to be winning, bringing food to the table.

00:06:03.360 And if you waste time crying, then someone else is going to eat you alive.

00:06:07.480 Well, we're not, well, we are animals, but we are not animals in the sense that we operate

00:06:12.180 only on instinct.

00:06:13.260 We're human beings.

00:06:14.400 We have far more complex mental capacity.

00:06:17.200 And you're wrong because if you want a man to provide for the family, that man needs to 1.00

00:06:22.460 be mentally strong enough to do just that.

00:06:26.220 And when you suppress your emotions because you're afraid of looking weak or looking feminine,

00:06:31.100 you are damaging your own mental well-being.

00:06:34.040 It's not, it's not afraid of looking weak or looking feminine.

00:06:36.800 It's just crying and being emotional as a man literally puts you in a vulnerable state

00:06:41.800 and you're not capable.

00:06:42.720 No, it doesn't necessarily.

00:06:44.080 That 100%, that's exactly what crying is, is being vulnerable.

00:06:48.100 And the more you put yourself in a vulnerable position, the quicker somebody else could take

00:06:51.960 advantage of you.

00:06:52.680 If you spend more time being emotional, then someone else will walk all over you.

00:06:57.100 Okay, well, hold on.

00:06:57.860 I think that you're a little bit confused.

00:06:59.160 It can be vulnerable to express emotions and to cry, yes, but I'm not advocating that

00:07:06.020 men just cry all day, every day at everything.

00:07:10.040 Yeah, there's a time and a place to appropriately express emotion, of course, but this isn't just

00:07:14.660 for men.

00:07:15.160 This is literally for every human being.

00:07:17.340 Women shouldn't be melting down crying at the job either. 1.00

00:07:20.560 So there's a time and a place to express those emotions.

00:07:23.340 And again, it's okay for a man to be vulnerable at times.

00:07:27.580 That is a necessary component of, honestly, the human experience and the ability to better

00:07:33.000 your own mental health.

00:07:34.720 I'll read you some of this.

00:07:35.960 I don't want to keep reading studies and stuff like that.

00:07:38.320 I want to have a conversation. 1.00

00:07:39.020 Well, I know you don't because they all contradict all of this dumb shit you constantly advocate 1.00

00:07:42.720 for. 1.00

00:07:43.460 What dumb shit do I constantly advocate for? 1.00

00:07:45.160 You have talked all the time about how men don't need to be in therapy talking about 1.00

00:07:49.980 their feelings. 1.00

00:07:50.480 They need a tough older brother to just go punch them and tell them to shut the fuck up 1.00

00:07:54.220 or tough it out, pussy, or something like that. 1.00

00:07:57.320 So yeah, you have advocated against the idea of men being intent or in touch with their 1.00

00:08:03.000 emotions.

00:08:03.440 Do you go to therapy?

00:08:04.760 No.

00:08:05.640 Okay, why not?

00:08:07.060 Well, I used to, but I don't anymore.

00:08:09.180 Why'd you stop going?

00:08:10.260 I thought, why are you not in touch with your mental health?

00:08:12.380 Well, going to therapy is not synonymous with being in touch with your mental health.

00:08:17.200 But when you say they don't need to express emotion or they don't need to be talking about

00:08:22.380 their feelings, that is advocating for the very problem that is affecting men.

00:08:27.720 You don't get it.

00:08:28.780 So I don't say that you should suppress your emotions.

00:08:31.760 You should feel that you should go through it, but you should act accordingly.

00:08:34.440 So you can be emotional and still do what you need to do. 0.99

00:08:37.580 Going to therapy, wasting time and even thinking that it's dumb shit that you should just keep 0.99

00:08:41.380 pushing forward is going to be a time waster. 0.98

00:08:44.740 So what happened to me recently, like when I got banned on YouTube was obviously that 0.98

00:08:48.760 shit made me feel emotional. 0.92

00:08:50.580 Nine years of work, everything deleted, constant hit pieces about me, YouTube taking money away 0.99

00:08:55.220 from me, my life's work all being stripped away.

00:08:57.720 I could do what you want to do.

00:08:59.280 Go to therapy.

00:09:00.280 I can talk about it.

00:09:01.360 I could cry or figure out a solution and still feel those things.

00:09:05.520 So men have, I'm not done with my point. 1.00

00:09:08.220 Men have the capacity, your point is irrelevant here and doesn't actually help your argument.

00:09:12.240 You didn't hear my point.

00:09:13.200 You didn't hear my point.

00:09:13.840 I don't need to hear any more of your point or your personal anecdote. 0.99

00:09:16.560 I don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:09:17.500 It's not a personal, it's not a personal anecdote. 0.99

00:09:19.780 The problem here, Sneeko, is that you are creating a dichotomy.

00:09:23.620 It is not either push forward or lay out, roll over and start crying at therapy.

00:09:29.080 It's both.

00:09:30.020 It's you can be in touch with your feelings and your emotions, learn how to work through that

00:09:34.640 and continue pushing on.

00:09:36.980 I'm not saying people should just give up.

00:09:39.320 You're making this into a dichotomy.

00:09:41.140 No one said, no one said giving up.

00:09:42.540 You're putting words in my mouth.

00:09:43.760 Men have the capacity to feel emotions and then make the decision to keep going.

00:09:48.360 Women and weaker people don't have the same ability to, they need to cry, they need to 1.00

00:09:52.940 process it, but it could be processed through work.

00:09:56.020 This new age idea that we need to go cry, that we need to go to therapy, that we need

00:09:59.840 to talk about it, that I need to go on TikTok and talk about my problems is all a waste when

00:10:04.480 you can just keep pushing forward.

00:10:06.320 You could have conversations with people, but spending more time investing into your

00:10:09.880 feelings is ultimately a waste when you know what to do.

00:10:13.100 No, you're wrong.

00:10:14.700 Why am I wrong?

00:10:15.260 Again, because it's not a dichotomy.

00:10:17.660 You should, quote unquote, know what to do and move forward and push on in your life.

00:10:21.960 But the way in which you can do that more successfully is also by being in touch with your emotions

00:10:28.060 and also being willing to cry at times.

00:10:31.380 What does crying accomplish on, sir?

00:10:33.500 Okay, well, it's that crying can scientifically release certain chemicals in your brain that

00:10:39.700 can help you assess the situation better.

00:10:42.580 There's that.

00:10:43.260 And it's also even more so, it's the suppression of emotion and crying that really does the

00:10:48.880 damage.

00:10:49.300 To be crystal clear, especially for people watching, I'm not advocating that all men need 0.78

00:10:54.120 to be crying at the same rate as women. 0.96

00:10:56.620 That would be pretty silly to expect.

00:10:58.820 However, what I was trying to read you earlier, a second ago, there is a meta analysis that

00:11:03.380 was done on the relation between repressive coping and certain diseases.

00:11:07.380 And they found that repressive coping literally increases your risk of developing cancer.

00:11:15.300 So, again, when you make it sound as if boys shouldn't be at therapy talking about their

00:11:21.980 feelings and instead should just have an older brother that tells them to tough it out, 0.99

00:11:25.880 pussy, then what you're doing is you're contributing to negative outcomes for men. 1.00

00:11:30.940 I'm contributing to cancer? 1.00

00:11:33.040 If you're telling men that they need to repress their emotions in order to be a good man or

00:11:37.940 a manly man or masculine, yes.

00:11:40.560 Okay.

00:11:41.400 What's your demographic?

00:11:42.440 What's your audience?

00:11:44.680 My YouTube audience?

00:11:45.740 Yeah.

00:11:46.300 How many females and how many males do you have watching? 0.99

00:11:48.820 I don't know.

00:11:49.860 You don't know.

00:11:50.200 You should check.

00:11:50.980 So, I have 95% males watching.

00:11:53.280 And the reason I had this giant blow up right now and why my stream blew up so fast is because

00:11:57.780 I was connecting with a lot of men who understood that what I was saying is something that they

00:12:02.780 needed to hear, something that they understood inherently.

00:12:06.260 You should check your demographics and see who's watching your videos.

00:12:09.060 And we can get a consensus in my chat right now.

00:12:12.220 You can type a one if you agree with me that it's better to keep pushing forward or type

00:12:15.620 a two if you think that you should cry and process everything.

00:12:17.800 You're doing it again.

00:12:19.360 Why do you keep doing that?

00:12:20.660 Doing what?

00:12:20.960 It's not either because it's not either or.

00:12:23.260 It's not option one, pry and talk about emotions.

00:12:26.160 Okay, then let's establish something.

00:12:26.980 Maybe push forward.

00:12:27.940 Do both.

00:12:28.580 That's the most healthy way to go.

00:12:30.320 Doing both is still doing it.

00:12:32.380 So, let's make an establishment.

00:12:34.000 I'm saying, here's my argument.

00:12:35.540 It's better to not cry as a man.

00:12:38.660 Can you make a statement?

00:12:40.900 Yes.

00:12:41.360 My statement is there's a time and a place to express yourself and express emotions, including

00:12:46.740 crying and you telling men that they shouldn't cry does harm.

00:12:50.940 You talk constantly.

00:12:52.120 I've watched some of your content.

00:12:53.440 You are consistently talking about men committing suicide at higher rates.

00:12:58.660 That is a legitimate problem in America.

00:13:00.860 And it's already been demonstrated that emotional suppression links the relation between suicidal thoughts and suicidal attempts.

00:13:09.860 You're advocating for something that results in a harm to men.

00:13:13.880 Emotional suppression?

00:13:18.660 Yes.

00:13:20.740 I can send you this study, too, if you'd like.

00:13:22.600 This is emotional suppression.

00:13:23.740 Okay.

00:13:24.080 Mediates the relation between adverse life events and adolescent suicide implications for prevention.

00:13:28.760 And this is just one of many that demonstrates that when you engage in suppressing emotions as a coping mechanism, you are just increasing your likelihood.

00:13:38.920 I'm not saying suppressing.

00:13:39.920 I'm saying understand what the emotions are and then act accordingly.

00:13:43.000 Because ultimately—

00:13:43.760 Wait.

00:13:43.960 Did you not just say that men shouldn't cry?

00:13:46.600 Yeah.

00:13:47.260 That's not suppressing.

00:13:47.700 Okay.

00:13:47.960 So, what if a man wants to cry and you're telling them not to?

00:13:50.880 Isn't that suppressing it?

00:13:52.040 No.

00:13:52.420 You can understand what's making you upset.

00:13:54.320 You can feel the emotion.

00:13:55.320 It doesn't mean you need to act on it.

00:13:56.560 You can make the decision to what you want to do in your life.

00:14:00.060 It's very simple.

00:14:01.420 Like, right now, obviously, getting banned on YouTube makes me upset.

00:14:04.960 I'm not crying about it because I understand that the long term, I'm going to be happier.

00:14:09.360 My emotional state's going to be better if I keep on working.

00:14:12.060 If I go to therapy, then I'm going to be in a downward spiral.

00:14:14.780 Nothing gets accomplished, and I will be more upset because all the work that I've done will go to nothing.

00:14:21.080 That time I spent—

00:14:22.000 Why do you assume that?

00:14:23.040 Because therapy can actually be incredibly beneficial.

00:14:25.020 There's plenty of evidence that therapy has benefited people in their mental health, in their mental well-being.

00:14:32.020 It's a place—

00:14:33.900 There's nothing they're going to tell you in therapy that you don't already know.

00:14:37.820 The answers to all your problems are very simple.

00:14:40.900 Your happiness comes from life experience, from love, from gaining more, for accomplishing things, getting respect, living life.

00:14:49.280 That's where—that's our happiness.

00:14:51.020 You're not going to therapy to get happy.

00:14:52.800 You're going there to talk about your feelings.

00:14:54.700 There's nothing they're going to tell you that you don't already know.

00:14:58.300 That's not necessarily true at all.

00:15:00.520 I don't know why you would assume that.

00:15:01.920 What's the revelation you've had in therapy?

00:15:04.020 Okay.

00:15:04.500 I don't need to give you a personal experience for what you just said to be incorrect.

00:15:08.040 So a lot of the times, therapists will not give you some big revelation, but instead walk you yourself through certain emotions and feelings so that you can come to a better conclusion or so that you can deal and cope with these things, again, in a more healthy way.

00:15:24.880 Okay.

00:15:25.440 It's healthy because that's what they want you to think.

00:15:27.460 They make a lot of money and you keep going back.

00:15:29.900 But then answer this question for me.

00:15:31.040 Why do you think that—

00:15:31.980 So there we have the conspiracy.

00:15:33.600 What's the conspiracy?

00:15:34.420 That they just want you to keep going back to make money.

00:15:39.180 That's exactly what it is.

00:15:40.320 That's not a conspiracy.

00:15:41.180 That's the business of therapy.

00:15:42.940 That's how it works.

00:15:43.300 Just if they make money providing therapy does not mean that they are incentivized or are trying to, what, keep people down?

00:15:50.480 Therapy doesn't—it doesn't end.

00:15:52.360 There's no date where therapy's done.

00:15:54.020 You just keep going every single week.

00:15:55.420 That's not a conspiracy.

00:15:56.560 That's how it works, Hunter.

00:15:58.060 Let me ask you this.

00:15:58.760 Maybe people leave—wait.

00:16:00.240 It's possible also that therapy is just effective.

00:16:03.380 People don't go forever.

00:16:04.880 They'll leave once therapy has been effective enough in helping them, in bettering their life.

00:16:10.900 Okay.

00:16:11.380 Do you see yourself going back to therapy?

00:16:13.580 Sure.

00:16:14.120 Absolutely.

00:16:14.740 There you go.

00:16:15.200 So it doesn't end.

00:16:15.980 I'm saying I'll never go to therapy.

00:16:17.620 My point is why do you think—

00:16:18.960 No, that's not leaving your point at all.

00:16:20.400 Okay.

00:16:20.840 I don't think you even understand what you're saying right now.

00:16:23.220 Like, yes, I used to go to therapy.

00:16:24.980 I don't anymore.

00:16:25.580 Now I have different issues in my life that I want to deal with.

00:16:28.960 And sometimes—

00:16:29.580 It's a never-ending problem.

00:16:30.960 It's a never-ending problem.

00:16:32.660 Emotions, feeling stress.

00:16:33.900 Yeah, that can be a pretty never-ending problem.

00:16:35.780 Yeah.

00:16:35.920 Right.

00:16:36.440 Why do you think that I've resonated with so many young men and you haven't?

00:16:41.700 I don't know, and I don't really care.

00:16:43.600 I think that part of the reason—

00:16:44.820 When we both do content, we both live stream.

00:16:46.700 It's an accurate thing to think about.

00:16:49.400 We're both creating content.

00:16:50.340 We're both talking to people.

00:16:51.220 I think part of the reason is that you offer an easy way out, in a way.

00:16:56.260 I think that a lot of the times this, don't go to therapy, don't confront your feelings 0.99

00:17:00.020 and your emotions, just stick it out, tough it out, you know, you've got to fuck a bunch 1.00

00:17:03.640 of bitches. 1.00

00:17:04.080 How is that easy? 1.00

00:17:05.360 That's the most difficult thing in life.

00:17:07.700 Getting more money.

00:17:08.680 Because telling people to just stick it out is only detrimental to their well-being.

00:17:13.520 The problem is that you resonate with young men.

00:17:16.420 It's true.

00:17:16.960 However, you're resonating with them for the wrong reasons.

00:17:20.560 You're telling these vulnerable and impressionable guys that they need to be suppressing their

00:17:25.700 feelings, which makes it more likely they'll commit suicide, makes it more likely that

00:17:29.400 they'll be depressed, or even act out in violence against women.

00:17:32.860 Okay.

00:17:33.320 Like, you're contributing to the same problems that you complain about all the time.

00:17:37.720 It's my fault that there's—

00:17:38.880 Okay.

00:17:40.020 You're saying that it's an easy solution to tough it out.

00:17:42.760 I'm saying, no, it's very difficult.

00:17:45.040 What's easier is going to therapy and crying.

00:17:47.180 That's the easy solution.

00:17:48.580 Paying $150 to sit down on a couch and cry.

00:17:51.100 That's the easy solution.

00:17:52.140 What I'm offering is the hard one.

00:17:53.940 The journey—the life path of a man is very difficult.

00:17:57.340 You need to get in shape.

00:17:59.440 You need to make a lot of money.

00:18:00.700 You need to be funny.

00:18:01.600 You need to learn how to talk to women. 1.00

00:18:03.020 All that shit that's going to make you happy as a man is extremely difficult. 1.00

00:18:06.760 I'm saying, yo, get up. 0.99

00:18:08.520 I'm doing push-ups on my stream.

00:18:09.820 I'm trying to inspire the fire that young men have inside of them so that they can make

00:18:14.040 their life better.

00:18:15.380 It's not an easy solution.

00:18:18.340 That's the journey of a man.

00:18:20.560 Some of the things you're saying, I don't even—some of the things you're saying, I

00:18:21.600 don't even necessarily disagree with.

00:18:23.040 Like, yeah, you should do everything you can to better—

00:18:24.700 But then why would you say it's easy?

00:18:26.240 Then why would you say that what I'm saying is easy?

00:18:28.120 Because the more challenging thing to do is actually being in touch with your emotions

00:18:32.880 and working through them, not just suppressing them because I'm a man.

00:18:36.700 I've just got to push through, dude.

00:18:38.060 That's not challenging.

00:18:39.020 That's the easiest thing.

00:18:40.100 See, when I got banned, the easiest thing would be sit there and cry.

00:18:42.400 You know what was harder? 0.97

00:18:43.360 Sucking it up and doing a podcast that night. 1.00

00:18:46.260 Fuck it. 1.00

00:18:46.360 I don't think you understand because when you tell guys to just suck it up, there are times, 1.00

00:18:51.100 yes, where you do need to suck it up. 0.82

00:18:52.620 I agree with you.

00:18:53.320 This isn't just like a universal rule.

00:18:55.300 However, there are also times when men should and need to express emotions and feelings and

00:19:01.420 even cry if they need to.

00:19:02.540 Why were you going to therapy?

00:19:04.320 I was going to therapy because of like OCD and depression.

00:19:07.880 It was a long time ago now.

00:19:09.920 Okay.

00:19:10.740 What was, I mean, maybe I don't want to get that personal, but OCD depression.

00:19:14.760 It benefited me, but I'm not even saying.

00:19:17.100 Did you take antidepressants?

00:19:18.780 Yes.

00:19:19.560 Yeah.

00:19:19.980 Do you think that helped?

00:19:20.720 Do you still take them?

00:19:22.040 Yes.

00:19:22.360 It has helped immensely.

00:19:23.700 Okay.

00:19:24.040 You're on Prozac.

00:19:25.100 You took the booster shot, right?

00:19:26.780 I'm not on Prozac.

00:19:28.020 No, wait, hold on.

00:19:29.040 We're not going to just pivot away from this.

00:19:30.420 We're not talking about boosters right now.

00:19:31.600 No, I actually didn't get the booster.

00:19:34.260 I was honestly, I got two doses of the vaccine when it was first happening.

00:19:39.980 I didn't get the booster because I was way too scared that that was the one that had the

00:19:43.060 microchip in it.

00:19:44.360 So I decided to avoid that one. 0.96

00:19:46.060 Not to mention when I got the second vaccine, I had a weird fucking side effect where I had 0.74

00:19:50.160 this like nearly uncontrollable urge to download Microsoft Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer. 0.95

00:19:55.940 It was really quite crazy.

00:19:57.560 So anyway, it's a parallel.

00:19:59.480 It's not pivoting.

00:20:00.380 I just want to make this observation.

00:20:01.440 I've noticed a parallel.

00:20:02.220 People who say words like toxic masculinity, who talk about antidepressants and therapy

00:20:06.980 are also vaccinated.

00:20:08.360 It's all tied in to make everybody controlled.

00:20:11.700 These are things that they do to suppress us and keep us down and have everybody believing

00:20:15.920 in the same thing so that we're easily manipulated and we're compliant.

00:20:19.220 Booster shot.

00:20:20.460 Vaccination.

00:20:21.300 Toxic masculinity.

00:20:22.060 How does that mean?

00:20:22.400 Saying toxic masculinity because you're crying.

00:20:24.620 You're not embracing your masculine nature.

00:20:26.960 You think that being a man is toxic.

00:20:29.620 No, I don't.

00:20:30.620 You're wrong. 1.00

00:20:31.480 And this is the misconception because a bunch of blue haired fucking dipshits on Twitter 1.00

00:20:35.160 have completely abused the term toxic masculinity. 1.00

00:20:38.420 When I talk about toxic masculinity, I'm talking about social expectations that are placed

00:20:44.320 on men that are toxic to the man.

00:20:47.700 I'm not talking about toxic masculinity as it's bad to be a man or even be masculine.

00:20:53.040 But when you posit these ideas that men need to suppress emotion, tough it out, what you

00:20:59.700 are doing is you are negatively impacting men's mental well-being.

00:21:03.140 And I don't know why if, quote unquote, they wanted to control us, they would be advocating

00:21:08.900 to address these toxic expectations that are placed on men.

00:21:13.880 I mean, if they want to control us, like telling men the type of masculinity, the type of masculinity

00:21:19.600 that you're pushing for, the suppress emotion type, that contributes to more suicide.

00:21:24.460 Okay.

00:21:24.720 How are they going to gain control?

00:21:26.700 You repeated that three times.

00:21:28.160 I mean, basically, and you didn't answer.

00:21:29.780 Because it's true.

00:21:30.480 Yes.

00:21:31.080 Okay.

00:21:31.880 You didn't answer the more giant question.

00:21:34.980 Why do you think, like really try to think about that.

00:21:37.520 Why do you think that I'm connecting with these men and you're not?

00:21:41.340 I literally, I don't know what relevance this has.

00:21:44.840 I think that again.

00:21:45.220 Because you're saying the same idea that everyone is pretty much saying, this is what they want

00:21:48.640 us to believe that we, it's toxic.

00:21:50.880 Who say?

00:21:52.080 Everybody who's talking about this.

00:21:55.280 These ideas come from some place.

00:21:56.980 This is a new idea.

00:21:58.100 Toxic masculinity, mental health, therapy.

00:22:00.460 These are new ideas that we all start echoing and believing.

00:22:02.920 You see it in articles.

00:22:03.640 You see it on social media.

00:22:04.440 You see it in the news.

00:22:05.100 You hear from everybody in charge.

00:22:06.940 I don't think you understand how that, when I talk about toxic masculinity, this is referring

00:22:11.820 to a broad societal problem that is detrimental to men.

00:22:15.240 Okay.

00:22:15.440 So if we want to talk about what the APA has said, for example, the American Psychological

00:22:20.140 Association, they have said that the pressure that boys and men feel to conform to certain

00:22:24.460 aspects of traditional masculinity can lead to poor health outcomes, including higher

00:22:28.620 rates of suicide, substance abuse, violence, and early death.

00:22:32.280 Now, men committing suicide, stop.

00:22:34.840 Men committing suicide is a huge problem.

00:22:36.760 Okay.

00:22:37.420 I agree with that.

00:22:38.520 And I also appreciate the fact that you talk about some of these issues.

00:22:41.780 However, the solutions that you're offering are detrimental to men.

00:22:46.480 And not only that, how are you going to talk about what's better for men?

00:22:49.380 If you're, I mean, no offense, you're on antidepressants.

00:22:52.060 How are you going to talk about what's better for your mental health?

00:22:54.300 If you're not, if you are literally popping a pill every day saying, I'm not happy. 0.99

00:22:58.380 How does, what the fuck do you know? 0.98

00:22:59.700 Do you know what an ad-hom attack is? 0.99

00:23:01.420 Do you know what an ad-hom is?

00:23:02.640 Bro, that's not an ad-hom attack.

00:23:03.820 Yes, it is.

00:23:04.360 You're not even addressing my argument.

00:23:06.060 You're saying you take pills?

00:23:07.760 What?

00:23:07.960 You take antidepressants.

00:23:09.240 You are acknowledging every day, I'm depressed.

00:23:12.060 So what do you know about happiness?

00:23:13.560 That's not what taking antidepressants is, first of all.

00:23:15.920 Anti-depress.

00:23:17.820 Second of all, I don't need to know, or I don't need to be in the best mental well-being

00:23:23.960 myself to still be able to read what these studies demonstrate, that telling men to suppress

00:23:30.940 emotion does nothing but contribute to higher rates of suicide, substance abuse, and violence.

00:23:36.900 Not to mention, this type of idea also negatively impacts men within relationships.

00:23:43.780 So we have already done, there's been plenty of studies on this, for example.

00:23:47.340 Well, Hunter, your way's not working.

00:23:50.500 Wait.

00:23:51.280 Your method's not working.

00:23:53.580 The way, your view of men's mental health and everything is not working, and you're admitting

00:23:59.000 it every day by taking an antidepressant.

00:24:01.040 Okay, if you're going to just cling to, like, you take medicine, LOL, then that's fine, but

00:24:05.580 you're not making an argument right now.

00:24:07.740 It's not medicine.

00:24:08.840 It is medicine.

00:24:09.720 It's been clinically demonstrated to be effective, and I don't know what your hang-up is with

00:24:13.840 this, okay?

00:24:14.940 Okay. 0.94

00:24:15.200 Chill the fuck out. 0.64

00:24:16.260 I'm chill. 0.99

00:24:16.500 I want to read this to you really quickly.

00:24:18.080 I'm chill, man.

00:24:18.820 This talks about how there's masculine discrepancy.

00:24:20.380 I don't need pills to be chill.

00:24:22.220 And intimate partner violence.

00:24:24.200 It says, quote, research on gender roles suggests that men who strongly adhere to traditional

00:24:28.040 masculine gender norms are at increased risk for the perpetuation of violent and abusive 0.96

00:24:32.880 acts towards their female intimate partners.

00:24:35.320 Okay, talk to me, man.

00:24:36.280 I'm reading these studies, bro.

00:24:37.360 This is just a waste.

00:24:38.460 Well, I know that you don't want me to read all of the information that completely obliterates 0.99

00:24:42.500 all the dumb shit you say, but let me finish at least, okay? 0.88

00:24:45.480 It says, in the present study, we assess the effect of masculine discrepancy stress, a form 0.99

00:24:50.720 of distress arising from-

00:24:52.160 This is not having a debate or a conversation.

00:24:54.360 You reading these articles is not a conversation with me.

00:24:56.280 It's not an article.

00:24:57.140 It's a study.

00:24:57.740 And I would like to just read the little blurb here, okay?

00:24:59.580 This is educational for people listening, okay?

00:25:02.560 In the present study, they assess the effect of masculine discrepancy stress-

00:25:05.540 If you're depressed, you should not be educating people on happiness.

00:25:08.360 A form of distress arising from perceived failure to conform to socially prescribed masculine

00:25:14.800 gender role norms.

00:25:16.440 Results indicate that masculine discrepancy stress-

00:25:18.460 This helps you think, but you can look at me and talk to me, man.

00:25:21.020 Nobody in the chat's listening to this.

00:25:22.800 Like, you're just reciting bot points.

00:25:25.320 Have a conversation with me.

00:25:25.860 Wait, wait. 1.00

00:25:26.140 I understand if everybody in your chat is like a brain-dead fucking cuck, but I'm trying 0.99

00:25:30.320 to just demonstrate that the type of masculinity that you are consistently advocating for- 1.00

00:25:35.420 Is toxic.

00:25:35.740 ... hurts men and hurts their future relationships.

00:25:38.660 Okay.

00:25:39.060 Do you know who's not on antidepressants?

00:25:40.680 Andrew Tate, Fresh and Fit, me.

00:25:42.060 The red pill people live happy lives.

00:25:44.840 You don't take pills.

00:25:45.760 Wow.

00:25:46.740 That's great, dude.

00:25:48.080 That's super cool.

00:25:48.940 The idea-

00:25:49.380 Why don't you keep talking about snorting pills, and I'll get back to reading this.

00:25:52.180 It says, results indicated that masculine discrepancy stress significantly predicted-

00:25:57.540 Bro, I'm not listening to you talk-

00:25:58.060 Read this study.

00:25:58.580 It's one more sentence.

00:25:59.580 Calm down, please.

00:26:00.780 Results indicated that masculine discrepancy stress significantly predicted men's historical

00:26:05.700 perpetuation of intimate partner violence, independent of other masculinity-related variables.

00:26:11.700 Okay, can you make it a new point now?

00:26:12.820 So the type of masculinity-

00:26:14.020 No, we're not moving on yet.

00:26:16.000 You've said the same point six times in a row.

00:26:18.420 Because it's- 1.00

00:26:18.940 I don't know how else to get them through your thick fucking skull. 0.99

00:26:21.980 By arguing and talking to me and listening to what I'm saying right now. 0.99

00:26:25.520 Part of what forms a good argument are facts to back it up, okay?

00:26:29.060 I'm just here to speak truth.

00:26:30.880 Are you?

00:26:31.280 Okay.

00:26:31.960 Let me tell you a fact.

00:26:33.240 Everybody in the red pill world that you were calling toxic and that you were against,

00:26:36.540 all those people don't take antidepressants.

00:26:40.760 Why are you so obsessed with this?

00:26:43.140 Because you're talking about happiness, but you are on a pill that declares your unhappiness.

00:26:48.460 I think that this is actually really demonstrating a fatal flaw with your reasoning here.

00:26:53.820 So for example, do you realize that somebody could give accurate and correct advice on healthy

00:26:59.220 eating if they themselves are fat?

00:27:01.680 They can't.

00:27:02.720 No, you should not listen.

00:27:03.700 If somebody's fat, they can still say, the studies demonstrate that this is the best

00:27:08.860 method forward for losing weight.

00:27:10.680 Would you hire a fat personal trainer? 1.00

00:27:13.840 That's not the question or that's honestly irrelevant, again, to what I just said.

00:27:18.240 It's not a personal trainer.

00:27:19.840 It's about whether or not the factual information being delivered is accurate.

00:27:23.780 No, if you were going to get a personal trainer, yeah, you would want somebody who's

00:27:27.040 in shape.

00:27:27.800 However, if there's a fat person delivering information about how to lose weight, whether

00:27:32.360 or not they're fat has no bearing on whether or not the information is correct.

00:27:36.980 Okay.

00:27:37.460 Chad, type a one if you would not take information from a fat personal trainer seriously.

00:27:42.120 I don't know why you're doing this, my dude.

00:27:44.840 It's like you're not capable of hearing what I'm actually saying right now.

00:27:47.580 I heard I'm hearing everything, but that's a great point.

00:27:50.640 If you're on antidepressants, then you shouldn't talk about happiness the same way a fat person

00:27:54.540 shouldn't talk about health.

00:27:55.400 That's not true.

00:27:57.400 Whether or not I'm on antidepressants, whether or not somebody's fat is irrelevant as to

00:28:02.180 whether or not the information they're delivering is accurate.

00:28:05.260 Okay.

00:28:05.440 But would you personally hire a fat personal trainer? 0.82

00:28:08.240 No, that's not the claim I made.

00:28:10.620 And that's irrelevant.

00:28:11.560 I'm not talking about your claim.

00:28:13.420 I'm asking you a question.

00:28:14.980 It's a different question.

00:28:16.060 It's a different claim.

00:28:17.100 Would you hire...

00:28:17.620 You're missing the point so bad.

00:28:19.360 I understand your point.

00:28:21.000 But would you hire a fat personal trainer? 0.99

00:28:23.640 No.

00:28:24.320 Okay.

00:28:24.620 Because the personal trainer is somebody who needs to be in shape.

00:28:27.980 However, if there's somebody, some fat fox sitting on the internet giving information

00:28:31.720 as to how to lose weight, whether or not they're fat is irrelevant as to whether or not the

00:28:35.840 information they're delivering is correct.

00:28:36.940 Tell me what YouTuber is that.

00:28:39.160 Tell me a fat YouTuber who's talking about health properly.

00:28:42.380 This is a hypothetical, Sneeko.

00:28:44.360 It's a hypothetical, but you're acting like it's real.

00:28:46.740 That doesn't exist because nobody would take it seriously.

00:28:48.620 No, I'm laying out an analogy for you so that you can try and understand.

00:28:51.280 Okay, then give me the analogy.

00:28:52.220 The same way that men shouldn't listen to you because you're on antidepressants is

00:28:55.540 the same reason why a fat personal trainer YouTuber doesn't exist and why you are not

00:28:59.780 resonating with men across the world.

00:29:01.700 Nobody's going to take what you say seriously if you aren't happy.

00:29:04.640 I'm not saying a fat personal trainer.

00:29:07.180 I'm saying if a fat person sits down and tells you something about how to lose weight,

00:29:12.520 the information they're giving is...

00:29:15.220 Whether or not it's accurate is irrelevant as to whether or not the person giving the

00:29:20.260 information is fat or not.

00:29:21.600 That's true.

00:29:22.140 That's true.

00:29:22.700 But would you take it seriously?

00:29:23.260 Okay, thank you.

00:29:24.160 Thank you very much.

00:29:24.860 That's all I needed.

00:29:25.820 Would you take it seriously though?

00:29:27.900 It's as to whether or not the claim is sound.

00:29:31.800 It's not as to whether or not the person delivering it is in the best health.

00:29:35.640 Would you take that seriously?

00:29:36.780 If you had a fat doctor tell you to start losing weight, and yes, the information could

00:29:40.040 be correct.

00:29:40.860 Would you listen seriously?

00:29:43.540 Probably.

00:29:44.480 If it was told from my personal doctor, yeah.

00:29:48.320 But you just agreed with me.

00:29:49.820 No, no, no.

00:29:50.840 I'm not agreeing with you.

00:29:51.380 You're trying to pivot right now, and you're hurting yourself.

00:29:54.100 Okay?

00:29:54.280 You agreed with me that it is actually irrelevant as to whether or not the information is accurate

00:30:00.660 from whom the information is delivered from.

00:30:04.260 Okay, you're repeating that.

00:30:04.980 Me being on antidepressants is completely irrelevant as to whether or not the factual information

00:30:10.040 and the statistics that I'm laying out are true and accurate.

00:30:13.760 Okay, the same reason that I would not hire a fat personal trainer, because even though

00:30:18.180 what they're saying could be correct, I just wouldn't take it seriously. 0.99

00:30:21.240 I'd be like, this guy doesn't know shit. 0.99

00:30:22.820 Same reason that I don't go to therapy. 1.00

00:30:24.220 This person does not know more about life than me.

00:30:26.040 They have nothing to tell me.

00:30:27.260 That's the reason that you are not connecting with young men like I am, because they see you.

00:30:31.280 They can see the fact that, I mean, you don't, you're not like a masculine presence.

00:30:36.160 So they're not going to take what you're saying seriously about how men should act.

00:30:39.280 You're on antidepressants.

00:30:40.360 Why would they listen to you about happiness?

00:30:43.020 Because I'm not offering my personal, I'm not offering my personal anecdotes as to how

00:30:47.840 to get better.

00:30:48.680 I'm delivering statistical realities.

00:30:49.840 You're reading studies.

00:30:51.240 You're reading studies.

00:30:52.300 Yes, studies.

00:30:52.720 The studies, it's irrelevant as to whether or not I am on antidepressants, if the study

00:30:58.020 is accurate or not.

00:30:59.320 Okay.

00:30:59.600 Well, I mean, look at you, you go based on the studies.

00:31:02.660 You agree with me then.

00:31:03.420 I go based off of logic, reasoning, life experience, things that make sense.

00:31:08.200 And I'm not on antidepressants.

00:31:10.260 You go based on these studies and you take those pills.

00:31:14.720 I don't think you understand that if you're going to claim that you go based on logic,

00:31:18.120 how are you coming to logical conclusions unless you are reviewing the data, unless you're

00:31:23.620 reviewing some kind of a statistical analysis that can give you a conclusion that is based

00:31:28.320 on, again, statistics, data collection.

00:31:31.600 Your personal experience doesn't speak for everybody.

00:31:34.300 All those stats are manipulated.

00:31:36.840 Just all of them?

00:31:37.640 They're just blanket.

00:31:38.680 All of them are manipulated?

00:31:40.080 Yeah.

00:31:40.260 They deliver what they want you to read.

00:31:42.200 They tell you the things that are going to keep you controlled.

00:31:44.280 That's the reason why certain people get banned.

00:31:45.860 That's why things are labeled as misinformation.

00:31:47.880 The same reason I got banned on YouTube for COVID misinformation, election misinformation.

00:31:51.180 There's certain things that they can dictate reality.

00:31:53.540 They can tell you what's real and what's false.

00:31:55.100 That's the reason I got banned on YouTube, talking about the lies about COVID, the lies

00:31:58.560 about the election.

00:31:59.580 So these statistics and these studies that you're robotically reading out, well, these

00:32:03.000 studies that you're reading are like, I'm just like, I know that this is all manipulated

00:32:08.320 because they put on the front page what they want you to see.

00:32:11.400 The trending page, all these ideas, all the generic things that everybody's saying is

00:32:15.120 stuff that's been handpicked by somebody else to keep us compliant.

00:32:17.940 That's why I'm on Rumble.

00:32:18.820 I don't think you, okay, you're coping right now.

00:32:23.600 You can't just say all the studies are fake.

00:32:26.440 That's again, a lazy way out because the studies that exist contradict the type of masculinity

00:32:33.180 that you push for.

00:32:34.980 The type of masculinity that you advocate for worsens the outcomes for men.

00:32:39.660 The type of masculinity that I talk about, I don't need to be a masculine guy.

00:32:43.640 It's as to whether or not the information I'm delivering is accurate and based in empiricism.

00:32:49.600 Mine is.

00:32:50.720 I can demonstrate that the type of masculinity you push for contributes to the suicidality

00:32:56.000 of men.

00:32:56.600 I mean, we can all find studies that fit our narrative.

00:32:58.680 I can go and search it up.

00:33:00.180 It's a waste of time and it's not a good way to argue and have a conversation with somebody.

00:33:03.760 I think that if you genuinely...

00:33:04.420 We're going in circles about this.

00:33:05.680 Let's talk about fresh and fit.

00:33:07.120 I want you to...

00:33:07.580 Hold on.

00:33:08.040 I think that if you genuinely cared about men, you would be willing to assess this information

00:33:12.020 far more critically than you are right now.

00:33:15.280 You just writing it all off as, oh, the studies are all manipulated, bro. 1.00

00:33:19.600 What kind of cuck shit is that? 1.00

00:33:21.420 There are study after study done by multiple different institutions that have all found 1.00

00:33:25.480 the same fucking thing. 0.98

00:33:27.080 The masculinity you push for contributes to the suicidality of men. 1.00

00:33:31.120 Right.

00:33:31.400 And you're saying all this and I'm writing you off like a fat trainer.

00:33:34.140 You're on antidepressants, so I don't take what you're saying seriously.

00:33:36.920 So you're doing the ad-hom again.

00:33:38.720 No, I'm not doing the ad-hom.

00:33:39.720 You're embarrassing yourself right now.

00:33:41.140 I'm not going to take happiness advice from a depressed person.

00:33:43.860 That makes no sense.

00:33:44.800 I'm not giving happiness advice.

00:33:46.960 I'm talking about certain expectations that contribute to suicidality.

00:33:50.500 Okay.

00:33:50.880 Well, I'm not suicidal and I don't think anyone in my chat is.

00:33:53.960 Hopefully, we talk about how that's bad.

00:33:55.580 But I don't think that you should be talking about like, what if I care about mental health

00:33:59.440 and I'm giving the wrong ideas about suicide when you're a depressed person.

00:34:02.820 Now, let's talk about fresh and fit.

00:34:03.620 No, you're giving the wrong idea about masculinity in which it contributes to the suicidality of

00:34:07.620 men and unhappier marriages and a higher likelihood of committing violence.

00:34:12.860 All right.

00:34:13.580 What's your problem with fresh and fit?

00:34:16.080 So we're just going to move on from there then?

00:34:18.300 Yeah, we're going in circles and it's just, yeah.

00:34:22.180 Okay.

00:34:22.680 I just, I'm happy to move on, but I do think that I should just at least point out the fact

00:34:26.640 that you're engaging in an ad-hom fallacy right now.

00:34:30.340 When you say that you take pills, that is irrelevant as to whether or not the information

00:34:35.500 I'm giving you is accurate or not.

00:34:38.220 You need to contend with the data or the information I'm delivering, not with me personally.

00:34:43.400 Happiness is not studies and data.

00:34:45.480 Happiness is something that you can't just write about and read from somebody else on

00:34:48.600 the internet and declare that this is true and false.

00:34:50.540 Happiness is something that we all have to figure out.

00:34:53.200 Well, I am.

00:34:53.960 Masculinity and mental health, all of that has to do with happiness.

00:34:57.220 That's life.

00:34:57.680 It's not something that you can point out to a study and say, this is the truth about

00:35:01.060 masculinity.

00:35:01.780 That's a waste of time to go back and forth with these articles.

00:35:04.620 Now let's go.

00:35:04.920 So you understand that if you're talking about happiness, then why are you advocating for

00:35:08.820 men to suppress their emotion, which makes it more likely they'll have depression and

00:35:13.160 be less happy?

00:35:13.940 I explained that it's not suppressing.

00:35:15.760 It's understanding, feeling the emotions, then doing the right thing and doing the best

00:35:18.880 thing with your time.

00:35:20.440 Keep moving forward.

00:35:21.500 Keep making more money.

00:35:22.380 Keep improving yourself.

00:35:23.300 Demand respect.

00:35:25.240 Find some love for a woman.

00:35:26.520 And then moving forward, go for it.

00:35:28.440 Absolutely.

00:35:29.020 Also be in touch with your emotions and don't suppress them.

00:35:31.320 You can do both.

00:35:31.780 You can do both.

00:35:32.980 Crying and going to therapy is not the right way to be in touch with your emotions. 0.99

00:35:37.200 That's some matrix shit. 0.99

00:35:38.440 Now let's talk. 0.99

00:35:38.880 Why should I listen to you?

00:35:40.880 I mean, if we're going to do it, if we're going to do ad hoc, why do I need to listen

00:35:44.280 to you then?

00:35:45.140 I'm not on antidepressants.

00:35:46.720 That's irrelevant.

00:35:48.640 I'm happier than you.

00:35:50.700 Okay.

00:35:51.940 You asked me a question.

00:35:53.080 You asked me a question, man.

00:35:54.240 You're on a pill that says that I'm depressed.

00:35:56.980 You want to measure our happiness rates?

00:35:58.740 Like it.

00:35:59.560 Well, you asked me a question, man.

00:36:00.740 That's a genuine answer.

00:36:02.000 And I don't see how that's.

00:36:03.880 You can say you're happier than me.

00:36:05.440 But again, you're right.

00:36:07.260 We are going in circles.

00:36:08.580 But I just, I kind of just feel for a lot of the guys that watch you because it's like,

00:36:13.120 I understand that they're all going to call me like a soy boy cuck or whatever.

00:36:16.360 And that's fine.

00:36:16.960 But I am actually advocating for certain ideas and views of masculinity that better men.

00:36:22.840 It makes men better.

00:36:24.500 All right.

00:36:24.780 Let's see.

00:36:25.420 Happier, healthier lives.

00:36:26.480 Let's see if you can garner a big audience of men because I don't think that will be possible.

00:36:30.980 I think it's going to be a lot of women. 1.00

00:36:31.740 I'm pretty sure I have mostly men who watch me right now.

00:36:33.920 And I, again, it's not about who I can.

00:36:35.900 There's a reason why I'm resonating in this message resonates with men across the world

00:36:40.960 for all different types.

00:36:41.760 And I think most of your fans are going to look like you and they're not going to really

00:36:46.320 try to do much with it.

00:36:47.480 You know, a lot of women, I bet your comment section is saying like, this is toxic. 1.00

00:36:51.260 They're echoing the same things as you.

00:36:55.180 Okay.

00:36:55.620 Yeah.

00:36:55.840 I don't know what else to say.

00:36:56.900 It's just, I feel like if you genuinely cared about men, you would actually do something

00:37:00.780 about this information.

00:37:01.720 Well, if you're right, if you're right, then take my fans.

00:37:04.820 Let's see what happens, man.

00:37:06.060 It's not about who gets more fans or gets more views.

00:37:08.300 It's not about that.

00:37:09.180 If you care about men's mental... 0.74

00:37:09.840 Well, if I'm not doing the right job, then you do it.

00:37:12.600 It's that if you care about men's... 0.60

00:37:13.900 Let's see if you can go...

00:37:14.680 If you care about it so much, then do what I did.

00:37:16.720 Take over the world.

00:37:17.540 Get 5 billion views on TikTok talking about it.

00:37:19.720 Let's see if your live stream audience can match up to mine talking about the same issues.

00:37:22.900 There's a reason why men are not going to flock to you like they're flocking to this

00:37:25.840 message because men follow other masculine advice.

00:37:28.680 I'm following masculine advice. 0.97

00:37:30.280 What I believe to be true, keep pushing forward and people come here.

00:37:33.780 If you are right and I don't care,

00:37:35.240 then they'll go to you and we'll see what happens.

00:37:37.460 Time will tell.

00:37:38.400 Now can we pivot to...

00:37:39.220 That doesn't actually matter.

00:37:40.020 It's just that you're up here virtue signaling about how tough and masculine you are while

00:37:44.060 leading men down a path that makes it more likely they'll kill themselves.

00:37:47.480 Okay.

00:37:48.540 You're repeating that.

00:37:49.520 I'm telling you, if you're right, let's see if you could take them.

00:37:52.280 If they're resonating with you, if you're speaking to them at that level, they will

00:37:58.140 go to your stream.

00:37:59.300 It's not just about if I resonate with other men.

00:38:01.640 That's exactly what it is.

00:38:03.040 No, it's not.

00:38:03.820 I think that, again, you're falling back again into whether or not the information is correct.

00:38:08.760 It is not relevant as to whether or not I get more fans, whether or not I get more

00:38:12.140 views, whether I have more men watching me.

00:38:14.040 None of that is relevant. 0.98

00:38:15.420 What is relevant is the information I'm giving you is backed up empirically throughout fucking 0.98

00:38:19.740 history, and the information you're giving to men is a virtue signal, soy boy cuck mentality 0.98

00:38:25.080 that you just got to suck it up, bruh, even though that makes it more likely they'll hurt 0.51

00:38:30.140 other people and themselves.

00:38:32.080 But yeah, we can move on.

00:38:33.400 We are starting to circle a little bit.

00:38:34.120 You've repeated yourself so many times, bro.

00:38:35.440 It's hard to get it through your head.

00:38:36.680 I don't know what else to say.

00:38:37.740 Because you say the same things that everybody else on Twitter says, man.

00:38:40.180 You don't have original thoughts and points of views.

00:38:42.380 Toxic masculinity, we react to all these videos. 0.96

00:38:45.240 Everybody who doesn't like what I talk about says the same talking points.

00:38:48.080 It's in circles.

00:38:48.960 It's not going to change my mind.

00:38:50.300 You're saying what you're supposed to be saying.

00:38:53.260 Antidepressant opinions.

00:38:55.460 Okay.

00:38:56.120 Yeah.

00:38:56.840 Okay.

00:38:58.640 Why don't you like Fresh and Fit?

00:39:01.280 I already did a 50-minute video on taking down Fresh and Fit that you responded to.

00:39:05.740 I would like to talk about that a little more.

00:39:07.500 I don't remember exactly what you said, but I think it'd be a good debate.

00:39:10.700 It'd be a good discussion.

00:39:12.380 Well, I mean, I went over the video.

00:39:16.640 Yeah, we didn't really agree to talk about, like, debate Fresh and Fit.

00:39:19.760 I guess I could look over what I said in that video again.

00:39:22.340 I mean, I remember what you said in that video, actually.

00:39:24.720 I do remember a specific thing you said that I didn't like where you implied that women, 1.00

00:39:29.980 if you asked them to rate themselves, they would all rate each other or themselves as, like,

00:39:35.340 like a 10 or 100 beyond perfect.

00:39:38.660 Do you remember saying that?

00:39:40.220 Yes.

00:39:41.340 Yeah.

00:39:41.960 And so I didn't really like that because, again, it was completely not true based upon empiricism.

00:39:48.440 I mean, they've done studies, compared self-reported self-esteem, gender and age across 48 nations,

00:39:55.620 and they found that women had lower self-esteem in every country that was analyzed.

00:40:01.700 So when you say that, like, oh, ask a woman, she'll rate herself 10. 1.00

00:40:06.520 She says she's 100.

00:40:07.460 She's perfect.

00:40:08.740 This is not true.

00:40:11.540 What's not true that they'll say that?

00:40:12.740 Because they all say that repeatedly.

00:40:14.940 No, it's that women, whether or not they say that, I don't care. 1.00

00:40:17.780 It's that, generally speaking, women have way lower self-esteem than men. 0.99

00:40:21.400 So when you make it sound like all women would just be like, I'm perfect. 1.00

00:40:24.620 I'm beyond 10.

00:40:25.800 I'm 100, whatever.

00:40:27.440 That's just not, again, it's not borne out by the data.

00:40:30.980 And I feel like that's part of the reason you avoid data.

00:40:34.020 So that's data right there.

00:40:35.920 I'm asking women every single night, what would you rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 10?

00:40:38.700 They say 10,000, a million.

00:40:40.420 That's their data.

00:40:41.560 That's exactly what data is.

00:40:42.720 That's a study.

00:40:43.120 That's not, that's an anecdote.

00:40:43.960 That's a real life study.

00:40:44.920 That's an anecdote.

00:40:45.460 That's not a study.

00:40:46.700 That's an anecdote.

00:40:47.360 That's what a study is.

00:40:48.680 I'm asking people, they're giving me their answers.

00:40:50.980 That's not what a study is.

00:40:52.620 A study controls for other aspects.

00:40:55.220 A study collects the data and compares it to other forms of data.

00:40:58.880 Okay, that's collecting data.

00:40:59.360 There's more that goes into it than what, like just asking questions.

00:41:02.320 Me asking 30 women is, that's collecting data. 1.00

00:41:04.780 That's collecting data from 30 women. 1.00

00:41:06.500 This was analyzing survey data from over 985,000 men and women.

00:41:12.400 Okay.

00:41:13.120 Okay.

00:41:13.420 They're not just walking up being like, how's your self-esteem today, LOL?

00:41:17.360 And out of those near a million people, women consistently scored lower when it came to self-esteem as opposed to men.

00:41:24.640 Okay.

00:41:27.540 Okay.

00:41:30.000 Okay.

00:41:30.420 Well, yeah, that was just another thing I wanted to point out that you got wrong.

00:41:33.240 Yeah.

00:41:33.780 And I got it wrong because you found a study that backs up what you're saying.

00:41:36.440 I'm going off of real life experience because I'm telling you all that stuff could be manipulated.

00:41:40.600 And that's a perfect example of me conducting a real life study.

00:41:43.620 I'm asking women all in a room, what would you rate yourself on a scale of one to 10? 0.96

00:41:47.440 And they all say that repeatedly.

00:41:49.160 Why?

00:41:51.900 Maybe because like what I said in my video already is you surround yourself by shallow people.

00:41:56.800 They're very likely.

00:41:59.140 Yeah, of course.

00:42:00.400 They're shallow people.

00:42:01.740 Yeah, of course.

00:42:02.740 Are you better than them?

00:42:04.800 I didn't say that and I don't know how I would go about measuring that.

00:42:07.820 I'm asking you.

00:42:08.820 How would I go about measuring that?

00:42:10.220 You said that I'm shallow, fresher fit or shallow, and all those women are shallow. 1.00

00:42:13.600 Are you better?

00:42:15.680 I don't know.

00:42:16.460 I don't usually like to say that I'm better than other people because I don't know.

00:42:19.900 You're saying that by saying by classifying those people I'm shallow.

00:42:21.120 Because I don't know what metric we would be measuring that by.

00:42:23.700 But I think that I'm better than you if that helps.

00:42:26.080 Okay.

00:42:26.380 Why do you think you're better than me?

00:42:27.960 Because I actually have empiricism behind the claims that I make.

00:42:30.800 And you have, I went outside and talked to a girl, dude. 0.99

00:42:34.860 Like this is fucking laughable. 0.99

00:42:36.320 If we used your logic and rejected mine, then we would all be here believing the world was flat. 0.98

00:42:42.580 Because I go outside, bro, and I see a flat, open plane.

00:42:46.980 But thanks to data and empiricism and investigation, we know that the earth is not in fact flat.

00:42:53.400 That's the result, though, of your type of reasoning here.

00:42:56.380 And it's funny because earlier you were like, I go off logic.

00:42:58.860 Like this is the most illogical thing I've heard.

00:43:00.560 It's a dumb way to argue to go and do homework before this and list a bunch of articles that back up what you're saying.

00:43:05.500 Because I could do the exact same thing.

00:43:07.420 But there's no point.

00:43:08.520 There's no point in engaging in a conversation like that.

00:43:11.100 Because the internet is so large.

00:43:13.140 There's a study that's going to back up whatever you believe.

00:43:15.900 What I believe I could find if I Googled right now.

00:43:18.260 I could find you the same amount of articles saying the same thing.

00:43:21.160 It's a waste of time to do this.

00:43:23.840 Yeah.

00:43:24.360 This is your problem.

00:43:25.960 It's not a waste of time.

00:43:27.460 That makes you feel better.

00:43:29.020 The fact that you think bringing up articles makes you a better person, it's just – ultimately, this is not going to get any place.

00:43:39.440 Because if you garner your self-esteem by doing studies, then I'm not going to convince you.

00:43:44.660 Because I'm doing –

00:43:44.940 That's not how I garner my self-esteem.

00:43:46.920 But I do think that as far as this engagement goes, I'm definitely better.

00:43:50.800 Because, again, I have data that backs up my claims.

00:43:53.860 I don't just have my friend said this, dude.

00:43:56.760 But that's my data too, asking women in front of a live audience and multiple times on the net.

00:44:01.480 But your data is not applicable on a broad – in a broad circumstance.

00:44:07.520 So, again, like if you talk to an individual woman and she is shallow and you say this woman is shallow because I talked to her, that's fine. 0.99

00:44:14.980 You're correct.

00:44:15.960 She is probably shallow. 1.00

00:44:17.500 However, the problem is when you extrapolate from that and then say women are shallow. 0.96

00:44:21.500 You can't extrapolate from one or a couple bad engagements with women onto all women.

00:44:29.140 And I don't think that you would appreciate this being done reverse either. 0.96

00:44:33.420 I mean, imagine if somebody said like, yeah, men have consistently tried to rape me. 0.99

00:44:38.460 All men are rapists. 1.00

00:44:41.640 Like that would be fucking stupid. 1.00

00:44:43.140 I don't think that would be a good thing. 1.00

00:44:48.140 I don't think that would be a good thing.

00:44:48.780 Yeah.

00:44:53.380 Yeah.

00:44:54.000 Bottom line, if you're right, then people should gravitate towards you.

00:45:01.080 I don't even know what else to say.

00:45:02.920 Like that is so divorced from reality.

00:45:05.040 I don't even know where to go from that.

00:45:06.520 I mean, there are people that have no audience at all that also are speaking truth based on empiricism, research, data collection.

00:45:16.620 And it's not contingent as to whether or not they have a large audience.

00:45:20.840 Okay.

00:45:22.420 These studies that you're pulling up has given you a false sense of moral superiority that deflects from conversation.

00:45:29.520 And it's warped to reality when you could do real life studies.

00:45:33.180 See, I garner what I talk about based off life experience, based on conversations, and by collecting data live in front of people, asking these people.

00:45:40.680 But it's anecdotal as well.

00:45:42.400 And this is what I don't like about bot arguments is they think that pulling up some studies that back up exactly what they're saying means that it's true.

00:45:49.140 But that's just as anecdotal as talking to people and figuring it out.

00:45:52.400 Because the internet is so large and there's every type of information.

00:45:55.980 It's anecdotal to select those websites and those studies and say this is the truth.

00:46:00.800 That's just as anecdotal as me having a conversation.

00:46:03.960 No, it's not.

00:46:05.420 I don't think you know what anecdotal means.

00:46:07.100 It means like a personal experience.

00:46:08.820 A personal experience.

00:46:09.180 It's your personal experience.

00:46:10.040 It's not anecdotal that 985,000 people were engaged in a survey tracking from the ages of 16 to 45 in 48 different countries.

00:46:20.120 And then they analyzed all of that data and found that women on average have lower levels of self-esteem.

00:46:25.320 You don't even know how they conducted the study.

00:46:27.680 You don't even know what they asked.

00:46:28.940 And also why would – this is the cope.

00:46:31.600 This is – you are coping right now.

00:46:33.140 You went from I don't trust the data to well, anybody can get a study for anything to well, they probably just did the study wrong.

00:46:39.580 You're in like the three stages of cope right now.

00:46:43.180 It's not coping.

00:46:44.100 It's understanding that not that one study proves exactly what you're saying and I can find a study proving what I'm saying.

00:46:51.640 This is a dumb way to go back and forth and it's anecdotal because it's your personal experience.

00:46:55.700 I can find something that backs up what I'm saying and we can go argue back and forth about the study and I'm saying trusting that one source you found on the internet is a stupid way to go about it because you don't even know how they conducted it and you're saying this is true because I read it on the internet. 0.97

00:47:09.260 One, that's not what I'm saying at all.

00:47:10.920 That's exactly what you're saying.

00:47:11.980 No, if I were like, hey, here's a Reddit thread, that would be more equivalent to what you just said.

00:47:16.840 Second of all, earlier when we were having the conversation about how men should cry, I cited multiple different sources.

00:47:22.540 I didn't just give one study.

00:47:24.060 I believe that I'm right about that because there are multiple different sources that support that conclusion.

00:47:30.720 But you didn't want to hear any of those either.

00:47:33.120 Okay.

00:47:33.580 Do you think that people want to find the truth and do you think people resonate with people who are speaking the truth?

00:47:37.340 Um, potentially, but there are a lot of people that speak lies and also a lot of people resonate with them as well.

00:47:44.780 Like who?

00:47:46.680 Like who?

00:47:47.440 I don't know.

00:47:47.940 Alex Jones.

00:47:48.760 He's pretty famous.

00:47:50.900 There's, yeah, Alex Jones is the first person that comes to mind.

00:47:57.880 Yeah, I'm not going to convince you and I gave up on trying.

00:48:02.240 But I think this is a good example for my chat to see, uh, of course you said Alex Jones and you probably, you're not a fan of Donald Trump.

00:48:12.620 You also don't like what Ye said recently in the media.

00:48:15.680 You are happy that Andrew Tate was banned.

00:48:20.180 I think it's a good thing because he was spreading misogynistic lives to teens.

00:48:22.820 It's like, we know what you think and there's not really getting a convincing way out of this.

00:48:27.020 You really don't think there was anything wrong with, you don't, you didn't see any problems with what Kanye said recently?

00:48:32.920 No.

00:48:34.400 About the Jews controlling the media and all having one agenda, like they operate as a monolith. 1.00

00:48:42.660 You don't feel like that's a little bit yikesy? 1.00

00:48:45.960 Yikesy? 0.98

00:48:46.700 What does yikesy mean?

00:48:48.300 Like a little bit of an issue?

00:48:49.940 Wrong?

00:48:50.480 Incorrect?

00:48:51.460 Is that wrong?

00:48:52.100 It's not wrong that Jews have disproportionate power in some of these industries. 1.00

00:48:57.980 It is wrong to assume that Jews are all a monolith thinking the same way, who are all working as a cabal to try and flood the country with degeneracy, the woe.

00:49:10.080 He didn't say that at all.

00:49:12.260 I know you didn't say that.

00:49:13.620 And Ye didn't say that either.

00:49:14.920 He'd never said any of those words.

00:49:16.200 Kanye didn't say that verbatim, but what Kanye did say.

00:49:18.340 So you're putting words into his mouth.

00:49:19.080 This is what I'm saying.

00:49:19.820 No.

00:49:20.000 Like there's not really a point in convincing those types of people.

00:49:23.960 My point is the types of people that you're calling a liar, like you don't like Trump, you don't like Ye, you don't like Andrew Tate, you don't like Alex Jones.

00:49:30.560 Those people will garner an audience and get people motivated and inspired because the truth really does resonate with people.

00:49:36.620 And there's a reason why people like you, people like Joe Biden, Hillary, they will not ever garner an audience.

00:49:41.380 They won't motivate and inspire people and have a speech.

00:49:43.780 So if somebody has a bigger audience, that means they're telling the truth?

00:49:46.280 No, not a bigger audience, but have a motivated audience and have people garner and having people really resonate.

00:49:51.620 The people that watch you are people who are coping. 1.00

00:49:54.040 You are fucking stupid right now. 1.00

00:49:55.460 Yeah. 1.00

00:49:55.740 You're actually being dumb as shit. 1.00

00:49:57.160 The fact that you think whether or not what someone's saying is true or not is based on how many people that resonate with it is just, it's deranged. 1.00

00:50:07.840 That is appealing to the popular or to the popular, I guess, audience in this case.

00:50:13.600 Yeah, the populist in a way.

00:50:14.660 But yeah, you're saying that because this person has more people, because this person has more people listening to them, they must be correct.

00:50:22.380 It's not more people.

00:50:23.620 It's inspiring and motivating people.

00:50:25.220 The reason that you list those people is because they have an audience that really connects with them on a level.

00:50:29.640 The people that watch you and the people that watch the brainwash, the people that believe in all the same shit that you're saying, if you look at the comments, it's not like, wow, this is amazing.

00:50:38.460 This is motivating me. 1.00

00:50:39.420 The comments are, this is disgusting in a response to what you think is fucking stupid. 1.00

00:50:45.300 Okay, well, first and foremost, what you said a minute ago was fucking stupid. 1.00

00:50:48.880 You make people feel better. 1.00

00:50:49.800 No, a minute ago what you said was fucking stupid. 1.00

00:50:52.500 Do you think that if I had a huge audience, if I had 4 million people subscribing to me right now, that now what I'm saying is true? 1.00

00:50:59.400 There would be more truth to it.

00:51:00.720 If you were motivating, inspiring people, that's my metric to if somebody's speaking the truth.

00:51:05.480 Wait, so you actually think that if somebody has a larger audience, it's more likely they're telling the truth?

00:51:10.680 No, people have huge audiences like Hassan Abi, for example, but I don't think he could really motivate and inspire people.

00:51:16.740 He has like 30 to 40,000 people. 0.99

00:51:18.480 He's saying all the same shit that you're saying. 0.99

00:51:20.460 And if he tried to have a live event or if he tried to like host a show, it would be extremely low energy. 0.99

00:51:25.540 There would be nobody motivated, nobody inspired.

00:51:27.780 Everyone would just be there because what he does and what people like you do is they just talk down to other things that bring people up. 0.99

00:51:34.620 You're saying toxic masculinity, you're telling people to go to therapy, you're telling people to take antidepressants, you're saying that Alex Jones and Ye is a piece of shit when they're really trying to wake people up and tell people the truth. 0.98

00:51:44.560 Your type of content is just bringing down. 0.99

00:51:47.780 It's lower vibration, it's low energy, and it coincides with everything else we heard in this conversation.

00:51:53.020 I don't care who has the lower vibration, bro.

00:51:54.600 Okay, let's stop with the hippie talk.

00:51:56.800 Again, you're saying that if somebody has a larger audience, it's more likely that they're correct.

00:52:01.480 That is the appeal to Ad Poculum.

00:52:03.300 I just told you no.

00:52:05.260 Embarrassing yourself.

00:52:05.700 I just told you that Lassanabi has probably like five, six times more live viewers right now if he was streaming, but he will not motivate and inspire people the same way that the truth will.

00:52:16.080 People like me talking and everybody else that you think is a bad person.

00:52:19.920 What about Adolf Hitler?

00:52:21.660 Adolf Hitler was able to motivate, quote unquote, and inspire a lot of people. 0.78

00:52:25.940 He had a very passionate following.

00:52:27.920 That's how he rose to power.

00:52:28.940 Is what Adolf Hitler was saying correct? 0.98

00:52:31.760 You would obviously have to say no.

00:52:34.340 No, he said a lot of wrong things, but he was speaking to people that were disenfranchised after World War I, and he was motivating, and he was connecting with a lot of people in Germany at that time.

00:52:43.860 I mean, history showed what happened, but.

00:52:46.200 Okay, well, yeah, sure.

00:52:49.380 It's just I don't think that, like, I don't know what else to say because it's like you're unironically just basing whether or not somebody's more likely to speak the truth as to whether or not they have a larger audience and also a motivated audience.

00:53:03.480 I don't know what that necessarily means.

00:53:04.780 You could have a huge audience.

00:53:06.660 You could have a really big audience, and I think the reason that these big tech websites ban the people they ban is because they're connecting with people and resonating with them in a way that they are not prepared for.

00:53:16.780 That's why these mainstream news websites, that's why they're all downcladding.

00:53:20.400 Their views are in the trash.

00:53:21.780 Nobody watches them.

00:53:22.560 People are more inclined to go to a live streamer that's really speaking to them, and so they need to get rid of them. 0.97

00:53:27.300 What they purport and what they push on YouTube and all these matrix websites are people that are just, like, low vibration, low energy, keeping them down here because that type of entertainment, that type of content is just like, meh, this is dumb. 0.92

00:53:39.360 I don't – this is toxic. 0.98

00:53:40.920 This is misogynist.

00:53:42.280 So what makes, like, Andrew Tate, for example, somebody with a huge following who also has a very motivated following, what makes him correct based on that metric but makes Adolf Hitler incorrect based on that metric?

00:53:54.080 Hitler should not have killed people.

00:53:59.980 He was inspiring a lot of hate.

00:54:02.380 Was what he was saying at all kind of correct?

00:54:06.120 About Germany having to band together.

00:54:08.520 About Jews.

00:54:09.340 About anti-immigration.

00:54:10.880 No, he was wrong about a lot of that, but he was right about trying to bring Germany back to the way it was before World War I. 0.96

00:54:16.280 They got screwed, and he was speaking to them in a way that was needed at the time.

00:54:20.800 Yeah, but I – but again, you're – so now you're acknowledging an incredibly popular time in history in which somebody had a large following, an extremely motivated following, and they were wrong. 0.63

00:54:32.620 So clearly your method of determining whether or not somebody is speaking truth or are more likely to speak truth is flawed.

00:54:42.220 He went too far.

00:54:43.960 He went too far.

00:54:45.020 But he was speaking a lot of truth.

00:54:47.480 So he was speaking some truth.

00:54:49.160 Of course.

00:54:50.980 Okay.

00:54:51.680 Yeah, I just – like, I don't know how you're able to say then that having a larger audience, having a more motivated audience determines whether or not – or, excuse me, raises the likelihood that you're speaking truth.

00:55:04.540 If you're also acknowledging examples throughout history where the complete opposite was true.

00:55:10.060 I don't know.

00:55:10.480 I think that might be something that you need to work out.

00:55:12.600 Maybe you should go see a therapist actually.

00:55:14.360 Try to work that one out. 1.00

00:55:15.260 But also I want to say one other thing about the Kanye shit. 0.99

00:55:19.860 I never tried to put words in Kanye's mouth, and I never said that he said that verbatim. 0.99

00:55:25.360 However, what he did say is that the Jews control the media and that they blackball anyone who goes against their agenda.

00:55:31.920 He is assuming within that quote, within that statement, that Jews are a monolith who have one agenda, and that is the JQ. 1.00

00:55:39.640 That's the fucking problem. 0.99

00:55:41.440 That's why I take issue with what Kanye said. 1.00

00:55:47.440 And Alex Jones and Sandy Hook and – yeah.

00:55:50.600 Yeah, I mean we know the talking points.

00:55:53.320 There's no convincing you.

00:55:57.060 Okay.

00:55:58.120 All right.

00:55:59.160 Is this the end of the call then?

00:56:00.940 Yeah, I need to talk to my chap because they're getting riled up right now.

00:56:04.460 All right.

00:56:05.680 Well, nice talking to you.

00:56:08.180 Hitler did nothing wrong, Sneeko. 1.00

00:56:10.160 Or Hitler had good points, Sneeko. 0.93

00:56:13.200 I think that you really need to just rethink that way of – that method of determining whether or not somebody is speaking truth.

00:56:18.700 Based on if they're motivating people?

00:56:21.160 No, because you say that.

00:56:23.000 But then you also have to acknowledge that Adolf Hitler inspired, motivated people, had a huge audience. 0.79

00:56:27.480 He inspired a lot of hate.

00:56:28.400 He inspired a lot of hate, but he – there was somebody that needed to do that at Germany at that time.

00:56:34.160 That's why people resonate with him, but obviously it went too far.

00:56:37.900 Okay.

00:56:38.760 All right.

00:56:39.360 Yeah.

00:56:40.040 All right.

00:56:40.380 Well, see you later.

00:56:41.620 I hope you'll think about therapy.

00:56:44.240 Yeah, no.

00:56:44.660 I'm good, man.

00:56:45.760 All right.

00:56:50.740 Chad, stop saying Hitler did nothing wrong. 0.96

00:56:53.740 Hitler did a lot of wrong. 0.79

00:56:54.720 And, you know, now it's going to happen.

00:56:57.860 This is going to get – this – you are making Rumble look bad by saying this.

00:57:04.080 You guys are joking saying that. 0.99

00:57:16.440 Bro, they fucking lower my energy, bro. 0.99

00:57:19.060 Bro. 1.00

00:57:24.720 Bro, stop saying W. Hitler, bro. 1.00

00:57:34.180 God damn it. 1.00

00:57:35.100 You fucking idiots. 1.00

00:57:36.160 You guys are so dumb for saying that, bro. 1.00

00:57:39.620 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:57:40.300 That's going to get clipped up, bro.

00:57:42.860 And they're not going to clip up this part.

00:57:44.340 Hitler did a lot of wrong. 1.00

00:57:47.080 Shit. 1.00

00:57:47.400 Chat, chat, shut the fuck up saying Hitler did nothing wrong. 1.00

00:57:53.140 I would not be alive if Hitler did nothing wrong. 0.99

00:57:59.660 You guys are all joking, right?

00:58:01.000 You're all joking because what they're going to do when they're going to make Rumble look bad,

00:58:03.620 they're going to screenshot that.

00:58:05.400 They're going to put that up and they're going to put that as a representation of my beliefs

00:58:08.080 and my stream.

00:58:09.220 You guys, we know we're joking.

00:58:16.180 That's it.

00:58:16.540 That's your job.

00:58:17.760 Me too.

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