SNEAKO - SNEAKO & Destiny Confront Rollo Face To Face On FNF

00:00:00.000 yeah so what do you exactly do you believe in like do you think that that is the life that you

00:00:03.840 should follow because when you go to the red pill spaces that's pretty much the end route is because

00:00:08.500 you're high value you've got a bunch of Lamborghinis you're extremely rich and we talk about

00:00:12.200 competence when it comes to a high value man like I didn't have a rich dad growing up and that didn't

00:00:17.560 really hinder his his competence and in fact in a lot of ways being a father will help you become

00:00:21.820 more competent because other people are dependent and you're responsible for them so that will 0.97

00:00:25.700 make you become a full capable man which is i think the most important part of life it's 0.98

00:00:31.360 most important part of life is not having a bunch of hoes not fucking 50 girls or getting the most 1.00

00:00:36.600 amount of money possible just hustle grinding forever the most the reason that we are here is 0.98

00:00:40.780 to have a family is to create and so you see the red pill and it's a response to feminism you see 1.00

00:00:45.480 the this doomer way like like all these girls are hoes all these girls on instagram they're all 1.00

00:00:49.620 thoughts whatever they all belong to the streets and so the reaction to that is the red pill which

00:00:52.980 is basically just male feminism. 1.00

00:00:55.500 It's the same response.

00:00:56.360 We make fun of girls who say 1.00

00:00:57.180 that they want to freeze their eggs

00:00:58.160 and wait till they're 35,

00:00:59.120 and then men are giving the same advice

00:01:00.580 to each other, saying,

00:01:01.260 and I know you're not saying that's advice,

00:01:02.480 but pretty much, like,

00:01:03.180 if you look at the definition of advice,

00:01:04.300 that's what that tweet was.

00:01:05.140 And we are live.

00:01:06.020 What's up, guys?

00:01:06.520 Welcome to the Pressure Podcast, man.

00:01:08.140 Long-anticipated debate

00:01:09.100 between Roland Tomasi,

00:01:10.480 Michael Sartain,

00:01:11.400 Sneeko, and Destiny.

00:01:13.140 Let's get into it.

00:01:13.660 Let's go!

00:01:22.980 We'll be right back.

00:01:52.980 All right, we are live.

00:02:05.000 What's up, guys?

00:02:05.520 Welcome to the Fresh Fit Podcast, man.

00:02:07.140 It's a special day today.

00:02:08.120 It's Monday, but we got some special for y'all.

00:02:10.260 We canceled the after hours.

00:02:11.220 We're going to have a debate.

00:02:11.920 You guys have been waiting for this one for a while.

00:02:13.540 So let me go ahead and make some quick announcements before we get into the show.

00:02:15.660 Number one, rumble.com slash freshfit.

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00:03:44.520 The last episode I did was, goddammit.

00:03:47.400 yeah golden state killer thank you bro yeah golden state killer yesterday um he went on the

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00:04:00.400 al capone and the outfit on uh thursday this week and um yeah and then i won't be in town guys so

00:04:05.660 you guys are actually going to get a special show yeah with uh with these guys yes without me here

00:04:10.060 on friday rollo sartina myself yes running the show and then rush uh-oh running the show and

00:04:14.360 sneaker might come with somebody who knows who knows who knows we might sound for y'all um but

00:04:19.140 uh anything else oh yeah i gave my book guys why women deserve less and uh i'll go ahead and read

00:04:23.040 the chat and then also all the guys all their links are below guys go support them down below

00:04:27.860 i got their rumbles their youtubes etc destiny sneaker roles masi michael sartain so i'll read

00:04:31.780 these chats real quick from this point forward guys we're not going to read anything outside

00:04:34.320 of a hundred dollars and up uh because obviously we want to make sure that we have uh the debate

00:04:38.760 going nice and smoothly just so you guys know me and fresh are not going to participate we're just

00:04:41.940 going to simply moderate yeah i got a couple topics here at hand but let me read these and

00:04:45.100 i'll give you guys the ground rules uh jordan 14 goes nico to focus on a vasectomy last time 1.00

00:04:49.080 the point is not to have kids when you're broke and haven't built yourself up yet and can't provide

00:04:52.940 not every man is young and successful like you are well sir you will be armchair debating

00:04:56.680 somewhere else because don't worry uh colin stevens goes you should ask the resident blue

00:05:01.280 haired uh uh cuck if he still supports a position on ethical cp have him elaborate and see if the

00:05:07.660 panel agrees uh that's not today's topic my friend manuel's your name is destiny likes men

00:05:11.540 unless his chick get ran through not the best guy to get advice from be a man okay mulan uh we got 0.93

00:05:17.640 uh fresh's stutter to the round table again l fresh i hope you haven't skipped any therapy

00:05:24.260 sessions let's thank you sir you've been skipping them sessions let's go and he did come late by

00:05:27.960 the way too uh cpt yeah he definitely did come late masculine excellence goes question for destiny

00:05:32.600 you think it's a point for a father to be physically present in their son's psychically 0.95

00:05:36.180 particularly what psychically oh psychically oh shit they probably meant physically i'd imagine 0.96

00:05:40.460 but maybe they're that kind of person yeah let's use let's use grammar present in their son's life 0.96

00:05:44.820 particularly during the adolescence and teen years if so how much in-person father-son time

00:05:49.080 is necessary to raise a virtuous son that might come up in today's topic uh zerino goes i'd like

00:05:54.660 to hear snico and others answer this is leonard di capri a high value man for scoring with 19

00:05:58.260 models in his late 40s without having kids don't worry we'll talk about that uh zero uh two five 0.99

00:06:02.680 goes i like how destiny makes fun of extreme rp ideology while he believes a woman's body count

00:06:06.700 don't matter okay we're gonna get to that today too uh martin would you say destiny fits the

00:06:11.180 description of a placeholder husband and he's just coping when he says he's cool with his girl

00:06:15.140 cheating on him uh no whatever man this is about them guys come on man yeah man uh derek stacy

00:06:22.560 have y'all looked into the israel at this adesanya situation yeah bender the ufc guy with the girl

00:06:29.440 oh yeah we'll cover that probably next week we will yeah uh his ex his ex-girlfriend his ex-girlfriend

00:06:34.440 uh of two years is trying to take half his stuff no kids no marriage p clown world fnf w sneaker 0.97

00:06:39.700 w destiny w trans i'll pay for all your lawyer fees to beat this case oh that's that's crazy bro 0.99

00:06:44.400 that's good hey you're supposed to moderate man be quiet 0.70

00:06:49.260 salam iron and sneaker vasectomy is not a solution better advice would be to make a bunch of money

00:06:53.980 and leave the u.s okay samuel l uh goes uh lyric gonzalo has been arrested again by ukrainian

00:06:59.080 sbu at gunpoint there's a video he needs your public support and the social pressure to save 0.96

00:07:02.560 his life please bring attention to this extremely important fact god help lyric god damn bro it's 0.88

00:07:07.320 only for the third time or the second time yeah it's the second time maybe the last time that we

00:07:11.120 know about they're they're hating over there in uh i saw the second time i didn't uh charlie jones

00:07:15.240 hi i love funna rollo's explanation of the tweet didn't make sense he said a high value man is

00:07:20.280 subjective to you which it's not don't worry we're going to actually define that at the top of the

00:07:23.380 show high value man is objective based on the marketplace of society otherwise everyone is

00:07:27.100 high-value men based off our own subjectivity all right and then nate diaz goes destiny mind 0.98

00:07:31.740 fucks women and keeps them on the line with blue pill game his wife is just a trophy 304 1.00

00:07:35.980 he's the middle last pod that he doesn't really care about marriage roll at least lives life 1.00

00:07:39.620 snd say you should you should suck and dick okay i don't know what i don't think that's what the 0.99

00:07:46.020 n is for i don't think that's what getting the french girl's number who he won't wife yet 1.00

00:07:51.780 lectures f and f that high-value men should want more than just sex is your pat's a hypocrisy

00:07:55.700 padded with sermonizing you guys are in too deep like these super chats are just way

00:08:00.620 this is where you're humbled at the beginning of the show right here 0.99

00:08:05.400 any more about me sucking dick or when can we have coach greg adams on the show by the way i've 0.99

00:08:12.140 been following ever since he got on and 40k subs when anyone in this table hold a debate with cga 0.99

00:08:16.020 uh we agree with a lot of his points that he's cool uh tell the truth did the show start late

00:08:19.540 because destiny was scissoring sizzle sneaker girl no no no it did not uh first it was actually

00:08:24.540 is fresh uh first super chat with scissor and sneko's girl what the hell you guys have brought 0.51

00:08:28.540 so much vice my life credit square over 750 got me some business credit i appreciate you guys

00:08:32.780 keep doing what you're doing uh chris what aren't these uh chris yeah these are before but it's fine

00:08:38.140 though okay how many uh okay i wonder if sneko will be on rollo's side today considering how he

00:08:43.020 changes his mind every week whatever damn tell me tell me exactly what i changed my mind on 0.54

00:08:48.220 so did anyone ever say that or just like i'm a leaf blowing in the wind 0.98

00:08:50.940 he's already gone

00:08:53.100 they're just ignoring them bro

00:08:54.200 I'm just reading through these

00:08:55.360 well you guys kind of agreed

00:08:56.400 with that point of view

00:08:57.240 but it's okay

00:08:57.820 where we at here

00:08:59.480 fresh and up

00:09:00.700 no it's cool it's cool

00:09:01.200 thank god

00:09:01.700 no we're going 100 and up

00:09:02.720 from

00:09:03.220 no but it's over

00:09:03.960 oh these came from before

00:09:04.860 yeah bro

00:09:05.300 okay thank god fresh

00:09:06.440 ain't talking sorry homie 0.99

00:09:07.440 and why is Soneco

00:09:07.920 looking extra Asian 1.00

00:09:08.780 all of a sudden

00:09:09.360 no you're looking

00:09:12.360 extra black always 1.00

00:09:13.740 alright Mario go ahead

00:09:14.480 this is true

00:09:15.200 I don't think I'm talking

00:09:15.640 okay so

00:09:17.000 quick little

00:09:18.100 so here's a summary

00:09:19.480 of what's going to go on

00:09:20.180 guys as you guys know

00:09:20.920 They have some disagreements on some things

00:09:23.260 We're going to go ahead and moderate the debate

00:09:24.640 Me and Fresh will not be jumping in

00:09:25.960 We are simply going to be here to moderate

00:09:27.740 We're going to cover four main topics

00:09:29.420 The vasectomy tweet, dual mating strategy, divorce, and promiscuity

00:09:32.920 But to kick it off

00:09:34.420 We're going to go ahead and define certain terms

00:09:36.520 High-value man, alpha male, hypergamy

00:09:38.820 Do you guys want to introduce yourself to the people real quick?

00:09:41.440 Yeah, real quick

00:09:41.880 I think probably everybody knows who I am

00:09:43.600 Roald Tomasi, I'm the author of the five books

00:09:46.240 That are the Rational Male Series books

00:09:48.000 I'm Michael Sartan, I'm a former U.S. military officer

00:09:50.900 I flew five years special ops

00:09:53.300 Two years counterintelligence

00:09:54.660 And now I have a performance coaching program

00:09:57.300 And then I host a podcast with him

00:09:59.000 Where we discuss evolutionary psychology

00:10:00.740 Access Vegas

00:10:01.560 I'm Steve Bunnell

00:10:04.700 I host politics, YouTube

00:10:06.640 Philosophy, YouTube, and video games on YouTube

00:10:08.940 YouTube.com slash destiny

00:10:10.020 I've been doing this for about 13 years

00:10:11.740 Alright

00:10:13.160 Sneeko, cancelled streamer on Rumble

00:10:15.460 And certified douche nozzle

00:10:17.840 There you go

00:10:18.640 so guys all the chats are going to be shown on screen however we're only going to read the ones

00:10:25.740 that are 100 enough just so that we can make sure that we get through this debate so uh first we're

00:10:29.760 going to start with defining what a high value man is alpha male and hypergamy um and then we're

00:10:33.780 going to come to a basically an agreed upon uh definition for the table so that way nothing is

00:10:38.160 lost in translation during the course of the conversation um we already got 20,000 y'all in

00:10:42.380 here so do me a favor like the video subscribe to the channel if you haven't already and then

00:10:44.880 Subscribe to everyone's channel here.

00:10:46.820 It's Nico on Rumble, Dusty on YouTube.

00:10:48.040 MaxisVegas.

00:10:48.580 Rolo on YouTube.

00:10:49.480 And Michael Sartain on YouTube as well.

00:10:51.120 Their links are below.

00:10:52.780 And then, yeah.

00:10:54.260 Pretty much it.

00:10:54.620 So we'll go ahead and, so who wants to kick it off with defining high value man?

00:10:57.600 Before we define things, I wrote like six things down so we can all agree on things.

00:11:01.100 So we have like a common base going for it, okay?

00:11:03.360 Okay.

00:11:03.980 So I wrote six rules that I hope we can all kind of adhere to for this conversation.

00:11:07.160 Yes.

00:11:07.460 So for the first one, all of us here are trying to approach some notion of what is true in terms of what we're analyzing.

00:11:13.360 we're not here to make fun of each other scream at each other be emotional whatever but we're 0.74

00:11:16.920 trying to figure out what the most true shit is essentially right number one number two i personally 0.97

00:11:21.820 think we should move through arguments point by point uh rather than like diatribing for five or 0.97

00:11:25.860 ten minutes so that the other time because you don't want to start off a point where somebody

00:11:29.180 already disagrees and then talk for another five or ten minutes and so if i'm saying something or

00:11:32.680 sneaker's saying something or you guys think something if you disagree just like hey let's

00:11:35.900 talk about this thing before we rattle on a ton okay okay um number three because i hear this

00:11:41.460 accusation a lot if anybody feels like there's a debate tactic in the room call it out and we've

00:11:46.120 got the moderators here if somebody feels like they're straw manning or appealing to emotion or

00:11:50.460 false authority or whatever so like hey hold on i don't like that point it out nobody should be

00:11:54.700 leaving here and then in two weeks being like there was a lot of debate tactics going on call

00:11:58.340 it out if you see it and we'll address it right here yep okay number four we've kind of already

00:12:02.080 addressed this so words have to have meaning we're having these conversations so even if we want to

00:12:07.400 say that a feeling about a particular word is subjective or whatever we all have to agree on

00:12:11.440 that otherwise we're going to be lost in the sauce if we're all like arguing uh you know what

00:12:15.560 does it mean to be alpha or beta and we all have like four different definitions working okay and

00:12:19.380 then uh two more five is trying to keep this as scientific as possible so if if somebody says like

00:12:25.600 well there was a study in england with 33 million participants and another guy's like well on

00:12:28.900 instagram i saw two stories okay let's try to keep it like as i know you do a lot of scientific stuff

00:12:33.180 i know you've done a lot of reading snego is very scientific here with his quran so let's try to

00:12:36.880 keep it as based as possible and like that oh i'm so sorry okay and then final point if some

00:12:43.340 side feels like they're not being understood or if they feel like their points are being

00:12:46.060 uh misconstrued ask the other side to just like state like hey what do you think i just said or

00:12:50.280 hey what do you think i think about this particular thing and then the other side will try to restate

00:12:53.800 the argument so that we're all on the same page okay so roughly speaking just to keep it yeah

00:12:57.560 okay no definitely and we know we'll stay away from that hominems and keep it as uh as cordial 1.00

00:13:03.680 as possible um so yeah we'll start and now we lost half of the viewers all right so we'll start

00:13:11.020 with uh defining what a high value man is and then also uh real quick when we're making arguments

00:13:15.540 whatever i'll be timing you guys at least on the vasectomy part we're going to cover that first

00:13:19.180 um but let's define what a high value man is mention how to start it from last show or no

00:13:24.020 no they know okay trust me there's 20 000 people they know okay yeah uh all right so let's define

00:13:29.600 high value man who wants to take the first crack at it so everyone can at the table can agree what

00:13:32.920 it is i'll go if you guys want to go so um of course everybody wants to like nail me on what's

00:13:40.520 a high value man okay so i could have said this on our last engagement here is that a high value 0.98

00:13:45.840 man is the man that other men want to be and other women want to fuck that's straight out of my i 0.97

00:13:51.620 think it was my third book or my second book okay that's too broad a definition i think so i wanted 0.99

00:13:58.040 I could have just simply said that people ask me all the time in the tweet or in the on Twitter and social media afterwards.

00:14:04.100 Like, why didn't you just simply say that?

00:14:05.540 OK, well, problem with that is because once you get past that, it's a little bit too broad of a definition.

00:14:10.460 So I did a little bit of homework on the way over here on the plane.

00:14:14.540 And we generally go to what is it?

00:14:18.140 The female delusion calculator on our show.

00:14:20.200 And you guys have used the female delusion calculator as well. 0.83

00:14:22.940 So what is a high value man?

00:14:24.480 Well, we've asked that question quite a bit from pretty much every girl that we've had on our show.

00:14:28.980 Now, should it be defined by women? 0.99

00:14:30.900 Maybe, maybe not.

00:14:31.980 But there's a criteria there that is our that forms the basis, I would say, like just the core principle of what is what is a high value man.

00:14:39.580 So when we go through that, we go and say, OK, well, how tall is that guy?

00:14:43.000 How much money does that guy make?

00:14:44.940 What is his is he obese?

00:14:47.740 Is he like and they're very specific details that go into that.

00:14:53.760 And then through that, we say, okay, well, that represents what, like 0.02% of the population.

00:14:59.820 Yeah, I mean, if you're specific, we're talking about the GSS survey, or not the GSS survey.

00:15:02.560 No, no, no, CDC and census stuff.

00:15:05.900 So we always, and you guys do the same thing, when we are looking to establish what is a high-value man, at least as far as what women are looking for at that time.

00:15:13.300 And I'm not saying that there's another definition for guys as well.

00:15:16.760 As I said, it's other men want to be, and other women want to have sex with. 0.99

00:15:20.340 So what parameters would you frame?

00:15:21.760 so yeah exactly good good good uh good question um now you guys right around the first year of

00:15:27.560 your show here you had kevin samuel sitting right here and one of the things he said is that the guy

00:15:31.200 the guy must make uh something like what ten thousand dollars a month i believe is what it

00:15:34.860 was roughly yeah roughly so that comes out to 120 thousand dollars a year can we agree that if you

00:15:40.640 make 120 thousand dollars a year would that make like as far as money is concerned would that make

00:15:45.340 you a high value i just i think it depends on where you are like if you're in manhattan i think

00:15:49.480 of it would be problematic. If you're in Wichita, Kansas, that's a lot of money.

00:15:52.960 Okay. So I think, can we hit, I'll give a very broad definition. I think we can,

00:15:56.500 I think we can all agree on this. I think in the broadest sense, when we talk about men,

00:16:00.360 we talk about what a high value man is, we think about what men are designed to do.

00:16:03.200 I think that a high value man is somebody that can partition or acquire a lot of resources

00:16:08.320 in the broadest of senses. And that can be done in a lot of ways.

00:16:11.720 Do we want to put a specific number on those resources?

00:16:14.860 I think a lot is relative, so it's going to be more than your fellow guy. 0.99

00:16:20.080 So if you make $120,000 a year in Kansas, you're the fucking king. 0.99

00:16:23.600 Correct. 1.00

00:16:23.960 If you make $120,000 years in San Francisco, your neighbor is probably a crackhead.

00:16:27.720 Your argument last time was the subjectivity of what you were saying.

00:16:32.000 And that's the thing.

00:16:32.940 No matter what number we say is the subjectivity.

00:16:35.140 For me, high-value men is going to be the guy who puts fitness first.

00:16:38.280 He's going to have a job that's scalable where he's doing something that he loves.

00:16:41.700 And he's going to have his options on what woman that he can date.

00:16:44.100 Now, if you were to look at that and say, like, for instance, I like Grego Gallagher. I'm a big fan of How to Beast. Brandon Carter is a buddy of mine. Wes Watson, Goggins. What's his name? Jocko Willick. Those guys I consider to be high value men. The thing is, though, if Grego Gallagher is dating a woman with breast implants and fucking plastic surgery, another person who has different religious beliefs are going to be like, no, that's haram. That's bad. So that's the thing. It's the subjectivity of it.

00:17:08.820 Sure. I think important to keep in mind is when we say value, we're implying some sort of exchange

00:17:12.900 between multiple people. So like a moral man or a virtuous man might be way different than

00:17:17.880 a high value man. We can all probably think of people that are very virtuous or moral.

00:17:22.180 Someone virtuous who goes by the Quran then have a different definition. Like, for instance,

00:17:26.540 you guys had an argument before about family creation. If somebody, several of those guys I

00:17:30.820 just mentioned, they are not interested in family creation. They're interested in being the most

00:17:34.360 attractive versions of themselves they can be. So you would have one person say, this is not a

00:17:38.560 high value man they would call that person a joke and another guy would be like yo man i have been 0.96

00:17:42.400 used by women my whole life i've been broke my whole fucking life and i see this guy and he's 0.99

00:17:45.880 fucking killing it that's a high value man the subjectivity of it is like something like when 0.99

00:17:50.480 you i don't think it's as subjective as you're making it i don't think religious people would 1.00

00:17:53.900 really disagree about that i just don't think that and this is where a red pill kind of hits

00:17:57.080 the wall because it doesn't go past just how much money you make so like i think that's just one

00:18:03.120 aspect yeah the subjectivity part comes in i think when it comes to if we use my broad definition of

00:18:08.440 resource acquisition, the subjective part is, what do you

00:18:11.740 need to acquire resources? So for instance, we say fitness,

00:18:14.780 right? Fitness could be a proxy for acquiring resources. If

00:18:18.040 you're hunting in the wilderness, a more fit guy can

00:18:19.540 climb a tree, kill a bear, whatever. But in some societies,

00:18:21.880 fitness isn't a proxy for how much money you make, right? I

00:18:24.280 imagine that on average, there's probably a lot of really

00:18:26.700 wealthy people that are not I don't know how much Bill Gates

00:18:28.580 can bench press, right? But for resource acquisition, he's very,

00:18:31.420 very, very valuable. So and then also, I think we have to keep

00:18:34.820 in mind when I say high value, and I know Rolo likes to do this

00:18:38.260 a lot. And so I'm going to try to play in this realm. I'm not trying to morally load any of

00:18:42.260 these words. A high value man. So this question got asked, right? You mean just supply and demand?

00:18:47.060 Yeah. So Epstein was a high value man, but obviously morally a horrible character. And

00:18:52.600 there's going to be a lot of high value people that have a lot of value in society in terms of

00:18:56.020 how much resource they can demand, right? Or Genghis Khan or whatever, who are morally deplorable

00:18:59.720 people. And there's going to be a lot of very morally righteous people, virtuous people who

00:19:02.880 don't really possess a lot of value. Maybe it's a carpenter or maybe it's a... If I can intervene

00:19:06.160 real fast i think one thing that we can all agree to right is i agree that it can it's immoral right

00:19:11.540 a guy being high value so it could be someone amoral it could be you know someone that's good

00:19:16.620 or bad but i would say this respected by peers has a skill set he has a network of successful

00:19:21.900 men around him and we could say a hundred thousand dollars per year but we'll say let's say if you

00:19:27.460 make a hundred thousand dollars per year and let's say like maybe a kansas living type sure so those

00:19:31.780 are all subjective but we'd all probably agree in the west that'll get you to probably we'd agree

00:19:35.920 on the vector that comes closer yeah we agree on the vector true and you seem to be agreeing with

00:19:40.460 myron now but you also said last time that elon musk is not a high value man bench from a particular

00:19:45.320 context no he's not from what context well for the from the context that he is uh not married

00:19:51.400 is a high value man married that has nothing to do with being married or not well it does to the

00:19:56.600 definition that other people do you think other people think that being a high value man would

00:20:00.140 have some correlation to being married and have kids some people would say because because the

00:20:04.620 tweet that i made everybody had a very big problem with not focusing on family creation or not

00:20:09.360 getting married so is a high value man people saw his advice like i think for the purpose of this

00:20:13.780 debate we should we want to probably keep it as simple as possible so that it is an extremely

00:20:17.900 nuanced definition i think like uh if the person is married or not should it matter i think it

00:20:22.800 should be on things that we can all mutually agree like or how about we can agree that a person of

00:20:26.900 high value probably has the ability to get married and have a lot of children but they might not

00:20:30.640 necessarily choose not to do so that's on them and going back to the morality i think that's a

00:20:34.620 fantastic point even though someone like epstein is the horrible individual on paper he had a

00:20:39.000 network of high net worth people he had politicians in his pocket he had quite a bit of money um he

00:20:43.560 had a skill set he probably had a vasectomy too yeah shout out to the cia right to the cia

00:20:47.340 he did have a skill set and he earned a good amount of money so on paper he's a high value

00:20:53.680 guy and i think that's something that we can all agree to so we can yeah fair enough okay so we'll

00:20:58.920 go off of respected by peers has a skill set network of other successful people around him

00:21:03.540 morality doesn't matter and we could say a hundred thousand dollars if not more and when we talk

00:21:08.360 about a hundred thousand dollars we don't mean a hundred thousand dollars but we mean the ability

00:21:11.660 to live in a certain way fair cost of living adjustment yeah cost of living adjustment consistently

00:21:16.540 can i take can i take oh yeah you're probably gonna say that you're probably gonna say the

00:21:19.920 same thing i'm gonna say go ahead okay so but he also has to be useful yes correct yeah utilities

00:21:24.080 okay so competency yeah right so there's a competency there isn't so is a high value man

00:21:28.460 educated well so competency again is going to be valued by society so for instance i like like i

00:21:35.840 i can change the light bulb but i can't like fix the toilet so my competency in the household is

00:21:39.300 going to be relatively low but as an entertainer my competency is very high that happens to be

00:21:42.540 valued by society right now in another society i might just be left for dead in the woods so

00:21:46.160 competencies and saying you can probably find like you can find the best hunter possible in

00:21:51.860 sub-saharan africa and bring to the united states and he's not going to do shit yeah education has 0.57

00:21:56.200 to be a component i think if they're like a doctor education could be a way towards competency

00:21:59.880 there's lots of different ways you can go competency right okay cool so does that fair

00:22:03.060 with all you guys yeah competency so one more time so just to define for the audience here

00:22:06.820 when we talk about high value guy we're talking about someone that's respected by the peers

00:22:09.780 has a skill set has competence has a network of other successful men that respect them and we'll

00:22:14.300 say a hundred thousand dollars per year bare minimum based on living a certain way not necessarily

00:22:19.460 a hundred thousand dollars per se but a hundred k per year just so you guys have a placeholder

00:22:22.840 now we go into alpha male uh i mean i don't use this we don't use this term that often but i mean

00:22:28.800 just for the purpose of space music a lot well that's why we're talking about high value because

00:22:32.240 that's kind of what has replaced alpha male over the years like when i first started writing it

00:22:36.620 was all about alpha alpha and then like right around 2017 2018 everybody started using high

00:22:41.100 value so you guys want to just use hbm as is the same yeah i'm gonna fight kevin samuels made it

00:22:45.980 popular for the most part so just hbm i'm probably gonna fight in particular in alpha male but that's

00:22:50.180 going to be later that because he wants to do the vasectomy talk first okay well how do you want to

00:22:53.320 define alpha male then so we have i don't know i'll ask them later because when yeah that's a

00:22:57.780 whole line of questions okay and then uh hypergamy how do you guys want to define let me do one more

00:23:02.020 real quick on the useful side of things because i had a list of other things here so it was like

00:23:06.160 uh as far as being useful and educate i wanted to ask the education question the other thing is um

00:23:10.780 you got to be productive obviously you've got to be at least what do i say a productive member

00:23:15.200 society would that also be included in the conventional it is but all of these things are

00:23:20.000 proxies for value so again i'm very productive but it's just because people like entertainment

00:23:24.160 in another society i would have no production that's where the respect comes in because your

00:23:27.200 productivity will align to some and then the other aspect of this is um recognition so people when

00:23:32.560 they see you they understand that you are high value in some way like they go almost every human

00:23:37.280 is wired for resources exactly but we're also we're also plugging that person into a hierarchy

00:23:42.720 i think it depends on which hierarchy like he said exactly that's why that's the subjective

00:23:47.040 thing that we're an extreme example would be like stephen hawking right who had motor neuron

00:23:50.720 disorder was was was uh relegated to a wheelchair but was one of the smartest men who ever lived

00:23:55.200 that would be an example of someone who's super competent but in other areas isn't competent i

00:23:58.800 would consider him a high value man but but you know he couldn't walk so that's that's that's

00:24:02.240 an interesting that's what the subjectivity of it all right uh cool so i guess we'll alpha male

00:24:07.760 will deal for later and then hypergamy how do you guys want to define that just so we understand

00:24:11.440 here because i mean it's an ever-growing term it used to be the practice of marrying up originally

00:24:16.760 so how do you guys want to do okay so let me just see if i can define terms here okay so the classic

00:24:21.860 understanding if you go and you look in the dictionary you go to wikipedia right now the

00:24:25.420 classic understanding of of hypergamy the to the letter is uh it was a term that was used by a 0.99

00:24:32.200 sociologist i want to say it was in the like 1950s and he was studying the caste system in india in

00:24:38.080 india yeah and india cultures and how the tendency for women to marry from one from a lower caste to

00:24:44.040 a higher caste that was based primarily on the socioeconomic status of that person and that

00:24:48.680 family and everything else and that's where that's the original idea came from so it's based

00:24:54.620 primarily on sort of like the provisioning protection and parental investment it's dowries

00:24:58.800 it's marriage it's it's it's the formalization of like a relationship in the last i would say 20

00:25:04.600 some odd years we broadened the uh the definition of hypergamy to include the alpha fucks beta buck 0.79

00:25:09.640 side of things okay so there is the short-term sexual side of things because women mate up 1.00

00:25:15.200 across and up as well as marry across and up and as far as the definition is concerned i've been

00:25:21.420 trying to do this myself right is to expand the definition but also uh people like jordan peterson

00:25:26.680 have been using that expanded definition for probably going on another five or six years

00:25:31.340 right now okay so that would be that would be my definition of it can i so to boil it down will we

00:25:37.040 say the practice of marrying and or dating up when it comes to the attempt the attempt so this is

00:25:42.860 this is what i'm going to come from an evolutionary standpoint there is some algorithm that men

00:25:47.180 homo sapien males have to where they can see a woman and be like that woman's attractive

00:25:50.280 immediately it's not something that's taught to them they know immediately that woman is

00:25:54.060 exactly very quickly there must be some correlating algorithm in a female psychology 1.00

00:26:00.080 to determine the the men she finds attractive or would consider having sex with and the men she

00:26:04.900 doesn't now that is going to be more complicated because for some for women there are so many more 1.00

00:26:09.520 things what we talk about is statistics negative kurtosis there are so many more things that women 1.00

00:26:13.820 are attracted to about men the book uh how why women have sex by david buss and sydney messin

00:26:18.620 lists 237 reasons why women choose to have sex whereas for men it's like four so because of that 0.99

00:26:24.120 that algorithm that complicated evolutionary algorithm is hypergamy that's what i would

00:26:28.420 consider it it is the what the way by which women sift which one which guy i like from which guy i

00:26:33.720 don't like it must exist just like it exists in men so that's the way i would i would post it 0.66

00:26:37.000 all right would be fair to say it's a it's sifting up though right yes it's not sifting

00:26:40.500 just sifting it's sifting up because her evolutionary imperative is to find the strongest 1.00

00:26:45.200 son that she can so that strongest son is going to deal with some competency or some physicality

00:26:50.880 that that man has that that she's she's choosing him for all right is that is that fair for you

00:26:55.680 guys i accept the definition you accept that definition all right i agree so a quick little

00:26:59.240 recap so we went over this defining the terms we went over high value men uh we say about a hundred

00:27:04.320 thousand dollars when it comes to cost of living a certain way respected by your peers having a

00:27:08.240 skill set network of successful individuals around you um competence and it's his amoral so even if

00:27:13.620 someone like jeff epstein even though he's a terrible person he would be considered a high

00:27:17.160 value man on paper just uh so that we have can you say i've seen epstein whatever epstein epstein

00:27:21.940 it doesn't matter uh he's one of them boys anyway boys he's one of the boys he faked his own death

00:27:26.460 he's fine uh and then uh we don't know about that i'm kidding i'm kidding hypergamy is uh

00:27:30.800 allegedly the attempt to mate up or sifting up um and uh having filters for men and then alpha 0.99

00:27:37.020 male will i guess that's a bridge we'll cross when we get there so i guess we'll open up the

00:27:40.400 discussion here guys with obviously the infamous suite let's pull it up real quick chris we got

00:27:44.640 2800 uh 28k y'all watching so like the video man we'll probably have to kill the facebook and

00:27:49.500 twitter stream here very soon but uh come on over to youtube guys doesn't that get you banned off

00:27:54.060 of twitter for cuck yeah twitch for cuck yeah i think so yeah uh okay guys so this is rollo's

00:27:59.960 tweet so i'm gonna read it real quick for y'all uh the quickest path to becoming a high-value man

00:28:04.760 number one do not get married number two avoid family creation number three vasectomy in your

00:28:09.360 20s number four lift consistently number five eliminate all sedations number six learn game

00:28:15.060 and networking number seven place your strengths and build wealth and then number eight resist

00:28:19.840 easing up on your focus um so i guess i'll turn it to um world do you want to sure okay so i think

00:28:28.060 we have already established the fact that uh to be a high value man we have that sort of a convention

00:28:32.720 at least somewhat of a conventional definition of that right now now how long would it take the

00:28:38.200 average guy to achieve what we would in some way say this is what makes you a high value guy the

00:28:44.340 I mean, it doesn't have to be the $120,000, but like the functional evaluated equivalent of that.

00:28:51.160 I think it takes longer for men to reach maturity and to reach a point of where they can maximize their potential.

00:28:59.560 Well, let's stick to the science because that's what he wanted.

00:29:01.760 Number one, we had Richard Reeves on and he talked about boys being one or two years behind women as far as development is concerned.

00:29:08.420 And also from the book Dataclysm, men reaching their peak, their sexual peak around or attractiveness peak around the age of 38 to 43, somewhere in that area.

00:29:17.680 Yeah. So that's what that's that's science behind what you're saying. It would take longer for men. 0.71

00:29:20.820 So but my point being is this, is that and I'll reiterate this one more time.

00:29:25.040 The reason why I put this out there is because I watched you guys with Derek Moneyberg and I think it was Brandon Carter who was on here.

00:29:31.480 And Brandon Carter of I'm really impressed with Brandon Carter. I think he's funny. He's a great guy.

00:29:36.480 But his sort of outlook on life is to maximize his efficiency, his potential.

00:29:42.360 So it's he doesn't go to the grocery store.

00:29:45.240 He doesn't own a car.

00:29:45.940 He doesn't you know, the things that would take him away from staying on his grind.

00:29:50.600 I mean, to the extreme.

00:29:51.980 And now this is an extreme that I would not do clearly because I have a wife of 27 years.

00:29:57.140 I have a daughter of 25 years.

00:29:59.160 I am who I am.

00:30:00.300 I do.

00:30:00.620 I do what I do.

00:30:01.760 I have a car.

00:30:02.540 I actually have a car.

00:30:03.540 so um so clearly i'm this is not about me this is the most over-the-top absurd extreme you also

00:30:12.080 have a kid i think that's we all should point exactly so brandon carter so to who's brandon

00:30:16.580 carter the guy you're talking about you don't know brandon you know brandon carter you've been

00:30:20.280 on the show no no no i said he has a kid he's just saying oh he also also has a kid yes yes i

00:30:26.100 understand sorry um but the um the idea is this is that the most over the top like what are you

00:30:31.800 willing to sacrifice to get to the point so that you can get to that state of being a high value

00:30:36.040 male, right? So, by the way, when I'm putting out the idea of a vasectomy, okay, keep it coming

00:30:41.480 because I love that one. But if there was a male birth control pill, I probably would have put 0.91

00:30:47.960 that in there as well. Because what that one section in there was meant to say is that beware

00:30:53.500 of like, when the sperm leaves your body, you lose all power over paternity and children and

00:30:59.440 everything else that's one of the things that really slows guys down it keeps it's a uh it's

00:31:04.000 a hindrance to becoming to getting up to to becoming a high value guy so family creation

00:31:10.540 i'm not saying you should do these things but if you want to get to the quickest way to to doing

00:31:14.740 those things because it takes longer for men to mature into their peak potential then these are

00:31:19.100 the sacrifices that you're going to have to make to get to it as fast as you possibly can i feel

00:31:24.180 I feel like Snego is probably going to take off from this because when I came into these

00:31:29.360 spaces, this is kind of a question that I had.

00:31:31.240 And I think I fought with Fresh and Fit, I think, a lot on our first couple of episodes

00:31:34.520 trying to figure out like what are you guys advocating for? 0.52

00:31:39.200 So when I would bring up like Andrew Tate tweets and Bugattis and all that shit, a lot 1.00

00:31:42.660 of the times these two clowns would tell me, they'd say, oh, this stuff is just a proxy 0.99

00:31:46.960 for success. 0.95

00:31:48.540 You know, you don't actually need the Bugatti.

00:31:49.640 You need the ability to buy the Bugatti.

00:31:50.900 You don't need to travel the world.

00:31:51.780 You need to have freedom, you know, and all these things.

00:31:54.180 So lucky we're moderating. Yeah, it seems like it feels like it feels like, yeah, the goal initially wasn't to like be the richest motherfucker in the world. The goal was to have the freedom to basically do what you want. And then I think the confusing part is it feels like there's this kind of schism happening right now, or it's already started to happen in the red pill community. We've got like the kind of trad people that are going in one direction. And then you've got like the grind set hustle culture that are going in the other direction. And it feels like the lightning point for this was your tweet, where it was like, okay, we're gonna make it clear. 0.98

00:32:23.880 where we stand now get a fucking vasectomy fuck family and do this shit and i think that it feels 0.99

00:32:28.900 like the ultimate red pillar to you guys is what this is feeling i have the ultimate red pillar is 1.00

00:32:32.740 a guy that grinds his fucking life away and then at 35 he's like got fucking 15 million in the bank 0.98

00:32:37.880 he's fucked 50 girls and now he's looking for like the best mom that he can find who's like 20 21 1.00

00:32:42.480 years old he's going to get with that girl zero one body count at the most maybe one zero at the 0.99

00:32:46.740 best right virgin girl gets with her has a family and then boom that's like his life whereas it

00:32:51.120 feels like on the kind of traditional side it's like well what if you were like 24 and found a

00:32:57.040 really good woman at 22 and then you had a family at 25 and you followed your career she stayed at

00:33:02.380 home took care of the kids and you follow that more traditional route and your tweet i think

00:33:05.780 really showed the division of people in terms of how they felt about which of the two lifestyles

00:33:09.700 people were actually going for you got it yeah excellent and sneaker can yeah so so what do you

00:33:14.500 exactly do you believe in like do you think that that is the life that you should follow because

00:33:18.000 when you go to the red pill spaces that's pretty much the end route is because you're high value

00:33:22.700 you got a bunch of Lamborghinis you're extremely rich and we talk about competence when it comes

00:33:26.760 to a high value man I got I didn't have a rich dad growing up and that didn't really

00:33:31.440 hinder his his competence and in fact in a lot of ways being a father will help you become more

00:33:35.580 competent because other people are dependent and you're responsible for them so that will

00:33:39.280 make you become a full capable man which is I think the most important part of life it's 0.99

00:33:44.920 the most important part of life is not having a bunch of hoes not fucking 50 girls or getting 1.00

00:33:49.460 the most amount of money possible just hustle grinding forever the most the reason that we 0.95

00:33:53.780 are here is to have a family is to create and so you see the red pill and it's a response to

00:33:58.080 feminism you see the this doomer way like like all these girls are hoes all these girls on 1.00

00:34:02.580 instagram they're all thoughts whatever they all belong to the streets and so the reaction to that

00:34:05.920 is the red pill which is basically feminist just male feminism it's the same response we make fun

00:34:10.300 of girls who say that they want to freeze their eggs and wait till they're 35 and then men are

00:34:13.500 giving the same advice to each other saying and i know you're not saying that's advice but pretty

00:34:16.360 much like if you look at the definition of advice that's what that's we was yeah so so i think

00:34:19.540 there's there's two things here we we specifically don't run around calling girls three or fours

00:34:24.200 and like i i actually have a problem with it because i hear you sometimes talk about the

00:34:28.020 audience there we have to separate the audience almost like christ christianity and the church 0.81

00:34:32.400 we have to separate the audience because i agree with you there's some shit that i see that people 0.99

00:34:36.360 write on your streams as well where i'm like what the fuck is this man this is crazy and i don't 0.99

00:34:40.740 want to be associated with it red pill is not and again i'm red pill adjacent red pill is not 0.96

00:34:45.720 something i get a union card for that i pay dues for it's a it's an ethereal thing that just sort

00:34:49.900 of exists like he calls it a praxeology so the the idea that like one of the things that's happened

00:34:54.220 is every time because he you know he calls himself the godfather of it when somebody does 0.98

00:34:58.460 some stupid shit in the in the arena then it's his fault and then that then now we're going to 1.00

00:35:02.860 punch his book because now the thing is this doesn't it's just it's just a cloud but then 1.00

00:35:07.000 there's a book okay now let's now now we have a physical thing to attack and now rollo has a tweet

00:35:11.400 now we have a physical thing to attack and so that's part of the issue is that like now he's 1.00

00:35:15.680 being held accountable for every and i agree with you some of the things you hear are fucking idiotic 0.99

00:35:19.780 over the top yeah right because here's an example when we when we go over the psychological studies 0.99

00:35:24.220 that show that men don't have the same they don't necessarily cheat more because they have more body

00:35:28.420 higher body count but women do they tend to be unhappy in a relationship there's the uh institute 1.00

00:35:32.620 for family studies study that we refer to all the time that's not a validation for cheating we're not

00:35:39.660 suggesting men cheat you did you said that in the in the response thing that we i definitely do not

00:35:44.540 think men should cheat because in that in that whole situation you're still lying that is a lack

00:35:48.620 of integrity regardless but do men have the ability to have more sexual partners early on

00:35:54.060 in life i was 20 years old i'm 45 now i was 20 years old at once and there was a point in my

00:35:57.980 life where i was going to ut austin and i wanted to have sex with attractive women and i didn't 0.71

00:36:01.820 think about anything else except doing that that's how my my brain worked and later on did it affect

00:36:06.780 me negatively i don't think it did i just don't think it had the same thing so i don't think it's

00:36:09.820 a rationale for that belief but the thing is what what happens is anytime something bad happens or

00:36:14.300 somebody says something stupid it just comes back it's like now all red pillars are saying this all

00:36:18.300 the time and i just don't agree with that i understand what you're saying here so first 0.96

00:36:21.500 let me clarify one thing so i understand we define the red pill no i don't think that's

00:36:26.300 So I think the issue with Rollo's tweet, because for a lot of people, it looks like advice.

00:36:33.220 And for Rollo, he feels like it wasn't advice.

00:36:35.800 I think the reality was the disconnect is that that tweet was advice, but it was for

00:36:40.540 advice to become a certain type of high value man that Rollo isn't saying everybody needs

00:36:44.560 to become.

00:36:45.200 It said the quickest way to get to this part.

00:36:48.240 It was the advice to do that, but he wasn't necessarily advising you to do that.

00:36:51.700 Right.

00:36:51.940 It would be like him tweeting out, like, if you want to become the flattest person possible,

00:36:54.540 jump off a cliff and say, well, is that advice

00:36:56.680 to jump off a cliff? Well, if you want to be the flattest person

00:36:58.520 possible, but you don't have to do this thing because you don't have

00:37:00.700 to be the flattest person. It's an offense statement. Yeah, exactly. Sure.

00:37:03.560 There's a few people who

00:37:04.560 got it almost immediately. Hotep

00:37:06.500 Jesus got it immediately. He did stream it.

00:37:08.720 Jedediah Biela, while you were on with Jedediah,

00:37:10.540 she got it immediately. She's like, I know, Rollo. I know

00:37:12.500 he's not like this. I know this is a troll. 0.85

00:37:15.060 She understood it immediately.

00:37:17.040 She's familiar with my background.

00:37:18.420 I also saw you tweet the next day, like you were kind of making

00:37:20.440 fun of the Tradcon way of life, saying 0.64

00:37:22.540 that you want to be at your funeral bed with a bunch of kids around i was making as i was saying

00:37:26.380 that you would rather be listening to metal in your car i was that's how you want to go i was

00:37:29.880 mocking the idea of uh the this sort of pastoral kind of norman rockwell uh fantasy of dying on

00:37:39.440 your bed with like as an old man with surrounded by grandchildren and and whatever and like as if

00:37:45.700 that's that like my funeral is going to beat your funeral right as as if it's like heavy metal in a

00:37:50.760 car it's i put it this way would you rather go out would you rather go out in a blaze of glory

00:37:55.460 would you rather it was it better to burn out than fade away what would you i don't see heavy

00:37:59.260 metal in your car as a blaze of glory that seems okay but here's the thing is it's over the top

00:38:06.360 because i'm drawing attention to this fantasy of staying in your bed in an assisted living

00:38:11.980 facility when 90 of people are never going to experience that but it's a fantasy that we sell

00:38:17.040 people so that we can sell them other ideologies i want to consider one other thing you remember

00:38:20.960 what he said earlier he's like uh one of the things you said was avoid family creation had

00:38:25.200 i written that same tweet what i would have said instead was be the one who chooses when and where

00:38:30.120 you have kids and don't let like control control the bird control wow imagine that well i understand

00:38:35.660 yeah so i understand an extreme example of that is a vasectomy i would not have said vasectomy but

00:38:39.580 guess what my tweet would not have gone viral i wish i could say vasectomy on twitter all day and 0.79

00:38:43.820 go fucking viral that's the only thing they focused on i understand what you're saying that so 0.97

00:38:46.860 um i would argue that you do pay dues to some extent to certain groups that you're a part of 0.96

00:38:51.980 so this is something that i noticed being relatively outside of groups myself i kind of

00:38:55.540 watch how people move through groups and it seems like there very much is a kind of there there are

00:39:00.080 a lot of groups that exist in these internet communities and you get benefits for being part

00:39:04.080 of the group because you kind of inherit audiences and cross-pollination from other people and then

00:39:08.180 there are sometimes shitty parts of being in the group so for instance somebody says they're doing 1.00

00:39:11.360 something crazy, well, now you're kind of on the hook for it because this motherfucker in your 1.00

00:39:14.340 union just said some wild shit, and now you kind of have to go to bat for him. I think that something 1.00

00:39:19.100 that I wholeheartedly disagree with is this idea that you can say like, well, you know, everybody

00:39:23.800 in my comment section might say this, but I didn't say that, or I'm just making descriptions. Humans

00:39:28.180 never just make descriptions. We never just observe things. The process of choosing to observe

00:39:33.540 something already requires a decision to be made, right? When you go into a laboratory to study

00:39:37.440 medicine. We're not just plugging random chemicals and random elements into a formula and see what

00:39:41.460 happens. We're doing something to try to figure out like, well, what is going to help make humans

00:39:45.120 healthier? What's going to be a good medication for treating a disease or whatever? That's

00:39:47.640 typically what we do. So when we're analyzing like the red pill, it's not just a praxeology

00:39:53.240 that you called it, because even I think in your first book, you say like the goal is to make it 0.98

00:39:56.400 so that your wife is not fucking the alpha, right? The reason why we observe things is so that we can 1.00

00:40:00.600 take something useful from it and then go and do something with it. If I had an audience and I was

00:40:04.240 making certain observations and this has happened a lot where i fight with a lot of black people 1.00

00:40:07.900 i notice my audience getting a little bit racist i fight with a lot of white people i notice my

00:40:11.080 audience is also getting a little racist i fight with a bunch of women they're starting hey women 1.00

00:40:13.580 right i i notice that like if i do certain things my audience definitely responds to certain ways

00:40:17.000 and you guys as well you're not racist but it doesn't but it doesn't matter at the end of the

00:40:20.680 day i think what matters is the impact you have on other people around you like if i go every day

00:40:24.940 and i see my wife and i'm like hey what's up and it's not at the end of like six months she's like

00:40:28.060 you haven't told me that you think i'm pretty like a single time and i'm thinking like okay 0.96

00:40:31.000 well obviously you're pretty my fucking wife she's like well i need to hear it i can't just say like 1.00

00:40:33.820 well listen here you stupid bitch obviously i think you're pretty i don't have to say shit to 1.00

00:40:36.780 you motherfucker right i was like okay i have to understand how you feel i've got to tell you that 1.00

00:40:39.200 i think you're beautiful blah blah blah i have to do that every day because that's part of like 0.99

00:40:41.700 what really matters at the end of the day is the impact of another person should you be held

00:40:45.120 accountable for your the racist comments in your uh from your streamers like directly like you said

00:40:51.160 them no but if you're fostering a certain type of audience i think as leaders which whether or not

00:40:56.720 we want to believe it to some extent we are that's how we're treated right we're paid when somebody

00:41:00.420 gives you like we'll say on one end well i don't influence my audience and then in the next breath

00:41:04.240 somebody like i'll give you x thousand dollars to promote a product why are you promoting a product

00:41:07.620 because if i tell you to buy it i know you will yeah right so obviously we have influence of our

00:41:10.560 audience and if our audience is all heading in a certain direction i think it's important like 0.91

00:41:13.820 hold on guys i see you guys are saying a lot of this shit maybe we need to pull it back so when 0.87

00:41:18.600 you say things about like avoiding family creation you know you might say like well i don't actually 0.90

00:41:22.580 mean to avoid it i just mean to choose when you have children that might be the case but broadly 0.98

00:41:26.260 in the red pill speaking i've seen this huge push where it's like never fucking have kids 0.99

00:41:30.840 never get married women are trying to steal your shit child support alimony women are coming after 1.00

00:41:34.640 it's like okay well combine that with the vasectomy advice or the you know control your 1.00

00:41:39.340 birthing advice and it makes the relationship seem very adversarial like you are trying to

00:41:43.160 avoid having kids at all costs that's what it feels like i guess from the outset and i think

00:41:46.320 that's what a lot of the followers of red pill people in common sections i think that's the

00:41:49.860 message they would carry forward i think the issue is then who's responsible because one of

00:41:53.140 the issues one thing we tried rollo and i tried is our show we try to have girls on there who have 0.96

00:41:57.000 master's degrees we try to have girls on there who do all different kinds of jobs and when we do we 1.00

00:42:01.320 get the exact same response yeah we had miss nevada on there miss nevada and they were like 0.98

00:42:05.860 yeah she's a ran through fucking hoe and i was like what the fuck can we do we have women on 1.00

00:42:10.120 there with masters what can we fucking do and so the thing is while i agree with you no matter what 0.99

00:42:14.760 we do this audience still exists and they still talk about why do they think that what do they 0.95

00:42:19.200 think that the thing is because they want something to complain about they want something

00:42:23.180 to bitch and moan about but they could complain about anything right i don't play they're choosing 0.99

00:42:26.500 to complain about these particular subjects i also don't think commenters are the normal in 0.92

00:42:31.000 the middle of the distribution i think commenters are on the extreme ends of the distribution which 0.99

00:42:35.300 is why i personally don't feel super responsible for some of the idiotic things that they say 0.95

00:42:40.120 so i i do understand what you're saying are we fostering an echo chamber we specifically aren't 0.96

00:42:44.680 like our job we were we people think people think we're soft on the girls because constantly i think

00:42:50.140 we are so not like we're not like in their face too much because they're looking for blood they're

00:42:54.260 looking for something that's exhilarating they're looking for jerry springer you know but how many

00:42:58.180 people do you think saw that tweet and whether or not you call it advice saw that and they're now

00:43:02.060 going to apply it especially because we talk about how important it is as leaders you call

00:43:05.500 yourself the godfather of the red pill like you you kind of own this ideology and it's like you

00:43:09.800 are the forefront of it so well i think that a good idea i think i put that well okay first off

00:43:14.900 it was meant to provoke that's number one and it did i got matt walsh i got ben shapiro i got

00:43:19.600 lauren shannon i got we wouldn't be talking about this right now i don't they not have any of those 0.98

00:43:24.000 people retweeting my shit that's the only thing i'm saying like i i retweeted vasectomy five times 0.98

00:43:28.220 on twitter and now we're still talking about it two weeks later it was success it was a great 0.99

00:43:32.440 by the way and you yourself said so as well you want to go viral you got to send the most

00:43:36.720 outlandish things for twitter i would say but if that was really the only reason that he did then

00:43:40.380 you wouldn't have gotten that debate and got so emotional about everything that happened you would 0.99

00:43:43.340 have started you called us fucking idiots you called us douche and also if it was just in 1.00

00:43:46.060 order because you weren't getting it that's why well then then you would have been rubbing your 1.00

00:43:48.700 hands and be like okay i got the reaction i wanted here they are talking about it bench

00:43:51.820 all these people are talking about it but to be fair he did a reaction video where he said he was 0.91

00:43:56.180 married for 50 years i'm a coke head and justin waller pays for prostitutes so that to be fair 0.79

00:44:00.820 there was a little ad hominem attack on us that you weren't part of it but that's probably where 0.55

00:44:04.620 some of this came from. I would have taken that if I were you.

00:44:07.220 Just saying. 0.99

00:44:07.860 You'd be fucking two hours late. 1.00

00:44:10.320 Shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:44:12.100 I've never had to do the modern. 0.99

00:44:14.740 So, okay, so going back,

00:44:16.560 so, Sneeko, you have some traditional conservative

00:44:18.540 beliefs, so you disagree with the whole vasectomy

00:44:20.600 part.

00:44:22.320 What is the main, I guess, issue with it?

00:44:24.680 Is it because of the lack of family creation?

00:44:26.500 You think that's going to lead to the gender?

00:44:27.360 I think the two branching paths that I set up,

00:44:30.500 what are you guys advocating for?

00:44:32.200 Do you think if a guy could do it, if a guy

00:44:34.380 could be 25 at the at the head of his career starting right there about to go down his life

00:44:38.680 but also pair up with a really good woman who he could have kids with and then by the time he's in

00:44:42.260 his 30s he's already got like seven eight nine year old a couple children with a good wife is 0.86

00:44:46.020 that something you guys would push for or do you think that men should stay as far the fuck away 0.97

00:44:49.160 from that as possible and wait till they hit those prime years of being like 35 so the answer would

00:44:52.820 be somewhere in the middle i think it's how over time because i think social media has ruined things

00:44:58.080 so much if you you know the whole thing where we talk about 33 percent of men having zero sexual

00:45:01.540 partners, that begins, that hockey stick starts at the advent of the Facebook app on the iPhone in

00:45:07.960 2008. You can see it just shoot right up to where it was 12% of men or 16% of men with zero sexual

00:45:13.040 partners and it got up to 33. So the thing is, what's happened now is I would say it's statistically

00:45:18.480 less viable, not unviable, but less viable for the 24-year-old to marry the 21-year-old and feel

00:45:23.900 good about it because by the time she's 31 and he's 30 or she's 31 and he's 34 35 hit the dynamics

00:45:31.380 of his relationship are going to change he's going to make more money he's going to see the world

00:45:34.680 differently now i'm not advocating he leave his wife but now those pressures existed where they

00:45:38.580 didn't exist before 2008 sure so can i let me so i would push back into strongly so here's something

00:45:43.120 that i've noticed okay people ask me um so i obviously i talked a lot of women i do my thing 1.00

00:45:47.740 or whatever when people ask me like what do you think is the best advice for like learning game

00:45:51.540 okay honest to god the best advice is when you're like 12 to 18 having friends that are girls

00:45:57.340 talking to women not being nervous around them dating in high school you're not gonna get any

00:46:00.720 argument from this sure okay yeah i don't have you believe that but honestly that's the best

00:46:04.200 time to do the second best time is now right but if you're not starting early and you're 25 and

00:46:09.440 you've never even been shut down by a girl before that's literally the scary you could get a guy to

00:46:13.420 climb the empire state building before asking a girl out so immersion from women being around 1.00

00:46:17.020 Yeah, in those warm spaces

00:46:18.940 where dating and everything is possible, right?

00:46:21.140 But the issue is when we push on this 0.99

00:46:23.200 grind set shit so hard 0.98

00:46:24.840 and now you're getting a guy that's like 32 0.99

00:46:26.620 and he goes on a date with a girl and he wants to talk about

00:46:28.820 white papers for crypto coins. How the fuck is 0.99

00:46:31.040 this guy going to be in a spot in his life 1.00

00:46:33.020 where he's ready to find a woman, settle down with a family?

00:46:35.200 How does he turn that on instantly?

00:46:36.480 The grind set guy doesn't mean you don't talk to women ever.

00:46:39.060 It just means you're not looking to get married to them.

00:46:40.600 One of those pieces of advice, like eliminate all

00:46:42.940 sedations or whatever.

00:46:44.420 so what that means is like eliminate pornography eliminate alcohol eliminate uh prescription uh

00:46:50.300 you know opioids whatever how do feminist women not fall under the category of sedations 1.00

00:46:54.220 feminist women yeah how do these women how do homes for example if you're talking about porn 1.00

00:46:58.940 as a sedation drugs and everything like that can't you group hose directly into the category of

00:47:04.740 sedation you mean loose women or feminist women is that what you're saying exactly because you're 0.93

00:47:07.640 not looking for anything further than that it's just a way to get some dopamine release and just

00:47:11.220 having a little bit of fun it's pretty much equivalent to playing a video game or watching

00:47:14.240 porn it's not anything like maybe you learn a little bit about hoes but you're not going to 1.00

00:47:18.060 get anything out of it i would say the difference is that it is far more difficult for guys to use

00:47:23.000 that as a sedation than it is to say play world of warcraft all day long or it's to uh to you know

00:47:28.100 to go drink i don't know man i push back on that i think we all know guys i think we all know guys

00:47:32.540 in the gamer set i got it well no no i'm saying i think for the girl set i think we all know guys 0.97

00:47:36.300 that have thrown their life away doing dumb girl shit um whether you end up knocking somebody up 0.99

00:47:40.000 half the reason this half the reason shows like this exist is because guys aren't fucking getting 0.99

00:47:44.280 laid that's why so yeah but i think sneko brings up a really good point i think i think it's less 0.78

00:47:48.280 of a less of a uh i don't know less significant than say some other forms of sedation so when

00:47:54.420 i'm talking about sedation in the tweet itself people have talked i've said some million times

00:47:58.360 is like if you want to actually get up and actually become something and be something

00:48:02.320 better this is like where i finally get into like something like a positivity hustle right

00:48:06.400 you have you it doesn't matter if you learn all this stuff you read all my books you do all this 1.00

00:48:11.080 shit none of it matters if you can't get your ass out of bed if your shitty lie real life is worse 1.00

00:48:16.780 than your online escape life that's what i'm talking about that's the sedation right there 1.00

00:48:20.980 so could it be that you're like you're a sex addict yeah i can but i would say those guys 0.89

00:48:25.380 are probably far less common than the guys who are smoking weed um you know uh prescription drugs 0.99

00:48:31.800 uh pornography whatever else it's actually a worse sedation just based on the fact that you're

00:48:36.280 saying get a vasectomy because the consequences are much worse than any of the other sedations

00:48:40.100 sleeping around with a lot of women i mean the consequences are much worse obviously because 1.00

00:48:43.580 you're advocating for getting a vasectomy because you could have a kid with this girl 0.99

00:48:46.080 it's way more expensive it's a bigger time suck you're going to be drinking you're going to be 0.85

00:48:49.960 in environments that aren't going to be uplifting you whatsoever you're in clubs all the time you're

00:48:53.840 around women that you don't really like you get angry because you have to deal with like myron 0.99

00:48:57.120 always jokes about how he's going bald doing the show all the time because these women will suck 1.00

00:49:00.520 away your soul and really what's the outcome of it a nut is that really like how many times did 1.00

00:49:04.940 you go and fuck a girl and you're like that was really worth the last two weeks of my time of 0.99

00:49:09.440 texting back and forth taking around on dates spending all this money getting dressed listening 1.00

00:49:13.980 to her stupid conversation about astrology like is that really something worth advocating for 0.98

00:49:17.340 how is that a better sedation than weed than porn the video games i i'm the wrong person to ask i 1.00

00:49:23.080 love women i love fucking hanging out with them i don't have the same opinion or whatever i mean 0.96

00:49:26.620 i love alcohol but i quit like there's a lot of things i've never drank before that's the other 0.98

00:49:30.100 I've never tried coke by the way uh so so I I'm with you're missing out okay that's the thing

00:49:35.960 like sedations are great I've done all the sedations yeah I used to watch porn here's the

00:49:39.880 thing some people could say the gym is a sedation the thing is if you were going to rank the

00:49:43.720 sedations I would rather say a guy going out there and getting himself in shape learning how to dress

00:49:48.180 learning how to talk to women putting some bass in his voice and actually going out socializing

00:49:51.560 with other people getting over his fear of approaching women is a healthier sedation to me

00:49:55.680 than pornography that's just if we're going to rank sedations well and then I was going to say

00:49:58.900 like other people have are more addicted to a certain sedation than others are if that if that

00:50:03.880 is significant in your life and you're like hey you know what i'm a sex addict all i'm doing is

00:50:07.400 going out and picking up random hose all the time and and i've finally got it down to a science and

00:50:11.520 it becomes a problem it's like affecting other aspects of your life then yeah i would say that

00:50:15.320 that's a sedation that you need to like find because it's an escape i think sedations tend

00:50:19.240 to be escapisms is what i'm saying i think the contradiction that snick was pointing out is that

00:50:22.800 like you're by definition you're removing from the table all the women you would want to court 0.74

00:50:27.040 for marriage because you're avoiding family creation.

00:50:29.860 Well, when I say quote, I mean like you're dating

00:50:31.260 to get like married, right?

00:50:32.120 So you're removing all those girls. 0.96

00:50:33.420 So the only ones left are the 304s necessarily 1.00

00:50:35.780 if you're trying to focus on the grind set,

00:50:37.320 but then also have fun with girls on the side.

00:50:39.000 So now at that point, it seems like you're engaging

00:50:40.660 in women the same way somebody would engage 0.98

00:50:41.960 with like weed or whatever.

00:50:42.820 You're not doing it for like-

00:50:43.460 You can date a woman you want to have kids with 0.99

00:50:45.220 and not have kids with her.

00:50:46.600 Like eventually have kids.

00:50:48.040 I mean-

00:50:48.440 At some point you will have kids.

00:50:49.300 So then the vasectomy thing doesn't make any sense.

00:50:51.060 And also I would depend on the age too.

00:50:52.680 I think it was hyperbole why he's saying that.

00:50:54.660 I think I think it's like you're both in your early 20s and you're like, I don't think I want to have kids from 35.

00:50:59.700 That's a tough sell for a lot of women. 1.00

00:51:01.720 Unless you date someone who's younger.

00:51:03.380 Sneak, if there was if there was a male form of birth control, like Vasagel or something like that, and instead of saying vasectomy, and I said, do this and take this.

00:51:10.540 And it's not a permanent thing.

00:51:11.540 You can you can always go back off.

00:51:13.500 No, because I think that's what we should be fighting when it comes to red pill and trad con.

00:51:16.760 It's like it's a similar common enemy that's trying to sedate us in a way.

00:51:20.000 Birth control for women, it messes up their hormones and makes them extremely argumentative. 1.00

00:51:23.140 they get weird they get on different cycles i don't advocate you to take these pills i tell

00:51:26.840 people all the time not to get the injection like why would you go and listen to these

00:51:29.560 pharmaceutical companies why would you let them win and go play into these games and pretty much

00:51:32.980 just to chase dopamine then you're becoming a rat for these big companies for big pharma

00:51:36.160 when you could just like actually have a fit like that's the point that's the reason that sex exists

00:51:39.880 is to have children then you're completely removing the purpose of it and then you're

00:51:43.400 just chasing dopamine can i chime in and just uh add something here real quick um

00:51:46.880 moderator yes moderate plan b what's up moderator two words plan b you know here's here's the thing

00:51:52.560 i will well i agree with you now today at 45 i will tell you like i would have been i wasn't 0.99

00:51:57.960 whore because nobody fucking liked me but at 25 i wanted to have sex with pretty girls that's what 1.00

00:52:03.080 i did and i don't feel like it ruined me that's the only thing so do i like every day but there's 1.00

00:52:07.460 better things to do with your time and with your with that sexual energy you can focus that into

00:52:11.580 becoming better and so do you not think at all though that period of time helped you understand

00:52:16.800 women better I'm 24 I'm still still still learning now yeah yeah so I will tell you at 45 and I've

00:52:22.400 done I used to work in nightlife and I used to you know be a military officer a bunch of different

00:52:26.260 jobs um and I will tell you that like the the the value that I gained from having so many women in 1.00

00:52:31.740 my life not necessarily just for sex but the the my ability to communicate with them now is a hundred 0.58

00:52:36.260 like I bring I do the red carpets for all these different parties and I bring 100 girls to 0.99

00:52:40.740 Bolzerian's house like I that's what I do now because I'm good at doing that now I look back 0.99

00:52:44.800 at that and i say that was a good experience for me it didn't necessarily have to have sex with all 0.76

00:52:48.420 of them but i do understand what you're saying the problem is i where i differ from you and maybe 0.94

00:52:53.100 from myron is like i don't hate being around them i actually fucking really like being around some 0.96

00:52:56.840 of them they're fun they're crazy and they're just fun to be around i just don't want to marry 0.95

00:52:59.700 them you understand what i'm saying that's the difference for me it was like juicy j says i

00:53:03.340 still love these hoes they're for everybody but i love them anyway that's the way i look at it i 1.00

00:53:06.880 mean maybe it's just a little different you see them purely as entertainment but i think it's

00:53:09.980 better to see i don't hate them either you don't you understand what i'm saying but you're not

00:53:12.960 really it's better to see them as people that's how i see them exactly you're seeing them as

00:53:16.760 entertainment well no i think the difference he's trying to point out is that you made it sound like 0.99

00:53:20.160 the the because you said like two weeks of texting this bitch to get to the path of sex 1.00

00:53:24.180 he sounds like he enjoys the text i fucking loved all yeah which i do too right because for me i was 0.99

00:53:28.460 always i was in a stage of abundance and also my lifestyle is a little different it's big parties 0.85

00:53:33.100 that we go to huge events which is just a bigger grander sedation that's no different than really

00:53:37.340 watching i think it's not waiting though like i've met some incredible i wouldn't be sitting

00:53:40.420 here right now if i had i not done that it was andrew tate who reached out to me introduced me

00:53:43.780 to justin waller who introduced me to him and that's how i introduced myron so i i don't see

00:53:47.460 it that way i see it as a goal it ends to a means and also the other thing is and dude uh walt will

00:53:53.060 tell you this too having beautiful women around you is one of the most incredible networking

00:53:57.300 techniques that exists there's an incredible book uh by ashley professor ashley mirrors at boston

00:54:01.620 university where she talks about the guys who go to the hamptons and the ticket to get into

00:54:05.540 every party at every ham in every hampton's house with all the billionaires was to have

00:54:09.680 girls right so that's that's why that's gonna lead you to a fun life yeah but i was talking

00:54:14.880 to adam 22 recently and he has his own um his own porn thing too i don't know if he was the

00:54:18.940 plug talk yeah he has plug talk and everything like that i was recently talking to him because

00:54:21.860 he's been posting a lot of pictures of his daughter and stuff like that and i always like

00:54:24.500 react to them like that's dope like he's he's he clearly cares about being a good father and

00:54:28.500 had this conversation with him and he said that after being with 400 women doing all the show

00:54:32.660 like i asked him like was it really worth it all that he's like there's nothing better than having

00:54:36.140 kids yeah and even that's coming from a guy who's clearly been a sex addict who did all this stuff

00:54:40.800 he went on my stream and he was talking about all these crazy threesomes and he's like he's very

00:54:44.420 public about all this stuff and he's saying there's nothing better than having a family and

00:54:48.380 having a kid even this guy that's like stuck with all the girls like everybody in the chat you watch

00:54:52.540 like the top porn stars he's been with them and that does not compare to having a family so yes

00:54:57.180 okay does he regret it does he regret yeah because one thing could be better than something

00:55:00.920 else but it's still really fun right it's not about it's about advocating what's best for your

00:55:04.580 for your the young male audience and for the future generation so is it better to advocate

00:55:08.220 towards vasectomy so you can go to danville's earring parties or better to advocate like

00:55:11.180 become competent men raise a good family have strong children and then your life is going to

00:55:15.500 be that's the best life i think it's a great life i don't know if it's the only good life i think

00:55:21.400 there's a lot of people who just don't want to have children i think we've seen it we've seen

00:55:24.780 it all the time and they're they're happy the thing is if i were to look at it i disagree from

00:55:28.140 the book of leviticus or the book of genesis or if i were looking from the quran you're right

00:55:31.740 that's not a great life but i think for other people they can enjoy life the only people that

00:55:35.420 don't want to have kids have been psyoped by the bigger agenda to believe that climate change and

00:55:39.460 all these other external factors that's the reason they don't want to have kids it's all a lie

00:55:42.180 that's the reason we're here is to procreate that's all animals that's you're like an evolution

00:55:46.440 let me ask you this let's take it to the next let's take to the next level is sec let's say 0.98

00:55:50.500 you're married okay you found the one you're with your girl right is having sex with her with without 0.95

00:55:55.960 procreation is that also an escape is that now a sedation if you're not doing it to specifically 0.56

00:56:02.740 have children is it then a drug addiction right but then it becomes a unity between a mother and 1.00

00:56:08.100 a father so how is that not an escape because it's still always you're still enjoying it though

00:56:12.120 and it's not procreation right but there's always the risk of procreation like that's the point that

00:56:15.720 you do it there's there's always the possibility would you use birth control with your wife if you

00:56:20.200 didn't want to have kids no i would never get my wife on birth control absolutely not condom he's

00:56:25.420 including yourself any kind of person any kind of gel condom whatever any kind of pro sure it is a

00:56:30.540 form of escapism to some extent but it's better than spending your time with a bunch of women 1.00

00:56:33.980 that you don't respect or like or even consider as really people i'm not trying to put you on the

00:56:38.780 spot because i i hear this quite a bit these days is every like the most extreme and i'm not saying

00:56:44.220 like islam but like a lot of these really super orthodox christian guys will say that the any sex 0.83

00:56:50.300 that is not for procreation is a drug addict it's drug addiction or it's uh it's it's haram

00:56:57.580 right any any time you're doing something to feel good it's a dopamine release any kind of

00:57:02.620 is any dopamine good i think between a husband and wife then it's not just dopamine it's something

00:57:08.980 that you're connecting and you're establishing a relationship that's bigger if you just do it

00:57:12.580 with these hoes like you know that it's a one-time thing you're thinking this dumb hoe and then 1.00

00:57:15.300 you're just going to kick her out like you're already thinking we're talking about sedation

00:57:18.520 at this point so yeah but that's a sedation that's a different level like that's not a that's

00:57:22.280 not a a waste of time sedation you're bonding with the partner there's something that you're

00:57:25.740 gonna you're gonna create a future with this person you're gonna see her the next day maybe

00:57:28.900 maybe another way to say it is you're of one flesh now like what it says in the bible and so because

00:57:33.240 still man sneaker's point here and i understand what he's saying i think one of the problems that

00:57:37.040 we've ran into in society and i think even red puts on this a little bit is we become a society

00:57:40.880 that has like taken every pleasure and reduced it down to its instantaneous like click button to

00:57:46.300 get it basically right so instead of reading a book we browse tiktok instead of going to the

00:57:50.460 theater and actually watching a movie we're at home with a movie playing subway servers in the

00:57:54.320 background and like a game going at the same time right we have no ability to have attention or

00:57:57.860 focus on anything we've taken all of our pleasure centers and we've short-circuited them into the

00:58:02.020 most immediate gratifying way possible now that doesn't mean that all of those pleasure centers

00:58:06.520 are necessarily bad and i think from a religious perspective when you look at how society is

00:58:10.840 structured, ultimately, society is kind of stemming from the structure of mother, father,

00:58:16.640 children. And anything that's done in service of the maintenance of that structure is necessarily

00:58:21.040 a good thing. So when you ask Sneeko, well, is it sedation to fuck your wife? Well, no, 1.00

00:58:25.880 because sex there, even though that's the same kind of, it's the same act as having sex with

00:58:29.580 a stranger, that's being done in service of unifying and strengthening the bond between

00:58:33.380 father and mother that's ultimately serving as the foundation for all of society. Much the same way

00:58:37.320 that nobody's going to give me props if I go to the park

00:58:39.320 and play with random kids, but if I go to the park

00:58:41.280 and I play with my son, people are like, oh, well, that's a really good thing to do.

00:58:43.380 You play with random kids, you might go to jail.

00:58:44.440 Yeah, exactly, right?

00:58:45.500 But you're still like, you're either playing with kids

00:58:47.340 or you're playing with your son, right?

00:58:48.360 But it's important to do it with your family

00:58:49.420 because you're doing it in service of that bond of like

00:58:51.300 father-son and building the family.

00:58:52.600 Same thing with sex between a mother and father. 1.00

00:58:54.500 Sex between a mother and father is not the same thing as random sex

00:58:56.620 because that's being done in service of fortifying this institution

00:58:59.820 that ultimately all of society is built upon.

00:59:01.960 So I think that's the difference.

00:59:02.580 The red pill of advice is 50 women. 1.00

00:59:04.360 so the whole purpose is just to get that's myron's specific advice okay but like one of the

00:59:08.980 forefronts of the rep they'll just just get this done it's like they're getting a notch it on your

00:59:12.140 belt you're just you're going through the motion specifically it's like doing reps and that you're

00:59:15.360 treating a person like you're just getting reps done yeah that's not that that is dopamine release

00:59:20.380 in its purest form you're not trying to establish anything the whole point is to never see your

00:59:23.780 myron i don't want to put words in your mouth but i think myron's not saying that for dopamine

00:59:26.940 release he's saying that for experience so that you don't get used by women i think one of the

00:59:30.780 think the whole point i'm equating that sex to being a waste of time i think if you gain some

00:59:36.080 experience and you had made the point before it's like oh is this gonna woman you're gonna 0.99

00:59:39.640 fuck this girl and be able to tell if she's a good mom no but what you're going to be able to 0.99

00:59:43.040 do is see the red flags before they come you go on a date with a girl you find really attractive 1.00

00:59:46.640 and she will not shut up about her ex that's probably a good red flag but after you've done

00:59:50.540 this a few times doesn't have to be 50 times but after you've done this a few times you start to

00:59:54.400 see these red flags before they occur and you're smarter and you can help your friends out with

00:59:58.400 those things that's the only reason why i would say that a little bit although i would fight on

01:00:01.560 some of that advice because like you can you can and like you said something earlier about how the

01:00:06.260 casual advice the casual dating and shit that you did in your early years probably helped you with

01:00:09.780 later on it sounds like based on what i hear you say that's probably true for you but i think we 0.51

01:00:14.080 could both agree there are ways that you can do it that wouldn't help you at all right if you go 0.98

01:00:17.620 into tinder you find a girl you dinner fucker never talked to her again you could do that 50 times 0.94

01:00:22.060 and arguably have less experience than a guy that's dated one woman for seven years yeah right 0.99

01:00:26.440 just because you've never even learned experience yeah exactly yeah so like 15 50 fucking 50 women 1.00

01:00:31.240 could give you a lot of insight potentially into the female psyche i guess if you actually spend 1.00

01:00:35.860 any time with them and date them but if it's literally just one it's ten one it's ten one

01:00:38.760 i don't know if you really learned anything right let's see here's the thing though the average

01:00:42.040 north american male has had is it seven seven sexual partners six seven to nine so for him to

01:00:47.160 say 50 i think that sort of is going to include that necessity necessary um experience right and

01:00:54.860 we can debate on how uh worthy that experience is i will tell you at 45 i've learned a lot about 0.78

01:00:59.840 women from being around women yeah necessarily just having sex with them i want to address like 0.91

01:01:03.720 your your point as well because i and i hear what you're saying because a lot of people will take 1.00

01:01:07.760 the red the quote-unquote red pill to the to the its most logical extreme right so just fuck a bunch 0.97

01:01:13.020 of girls that's all it's about right when i when my friend my very first book uh there's six 0.99

01:01:17.900 chapters in there it's called plate theory okay each one of those like when we're spinning plates

01:01:21.780 it's like you're dating non-exclusively and if you read those rather than just listen to what's

01:01:26.140 going on online you'll notice that the last chapter in there is transitioning out of the

01:01:31.400 plate spinning the non-dating non-exclusively into something that is more monogamous at that point

01:01:36.280 but that gets thrown to the wayside because nobody reads anymore obviously but the fact of the matter

01:01:41.740 is is i think that with this another thing that comes back on me is people say well roller just

01:01:46.040 says fuck anything on two legs that's not what i'm saying at all in fact in the book in the book 0.96

01:01:49.580 itself i say you know what just because you're spending place doesn't mean you're fucking every 0.99

01:01:52.860 single one of those plates there are possibilities they're probably made for some of them maybe you

01:01:56.820 are for some of them maybe you're not but you're dating non-exclusively and so the idea behind that

01:02:03.560 is not to get your notch count up or not to validate your ego for for whatever reason it's

01:02:08.400 so that you understand a broad so you know what you want a woman and so you know what you don't 0.96

01:02:13.240 want in a woman whether you fuck that woman in the first place is irrelevant some guys are going 0.94

01:02:17.480 to do that obviously but the i think the idea uh and i've been struggling this with this since the 0.98

01:02:23.000 very early days when i was a moderator on the soswav boards is that i think a lot of people 0.95

01:02:28.040 think that it's conditioning guys or it's teaching guys to be like jerks to be to be like womanizing 0.99

01:02:34.440 sons of bitches and i would say that most guys who come into the red pill are not looking to be 1.00

01:02:40.840 like players they're not looking to be guys who want to go and and just like bang as many women 1.00

01:02:45.880 the majority of the commenters they yeah from maybe that's true but but the the fact is is

01:02:50.460 that most of the guys at least in my experience from from working with these guys in the last 20

01:02:54.140 years they want one chick they want to they want to actually kiss a girl they they're like 24 25

01:03:00.980 in some cases 30 years old and they've never gotten they've never gotten anywhere they've

01:03:05.900 never had any intimacy never had any kind of affection and i'm not like sex is even out of

01:03:10.200 the question just to have a girlfriend is why they're like what they have been doing up to this

01:03:14.620 point hasn't been working for them so that's why they come in and they find this are there guys who

01:03:18.980 can use the red pill so that they can go and spin plates and they can get a rotation absolutely

01:03:23.220 are there guys who can use the red pill to find a wife absolutely that's the beauty of of the red 0.98

01:03:29.500 pill it's not it's it's like i said before it's like fire you can use it to cook your food and

01:03:34.620 you can use it to heat your home or you can use it to set your house on fire and set your neighbor's

01:03:38.900 house on fire it just depends on the application you're acting like it's it's this really deep

01:03:43.000 philosophy or praxe out like is it really that complicated like what if you could just describe

01:03:48.160 getting experience with women i think it is that complicated or actually or even on the back of 0.65

01:03:52.800 that how does it work then that you guys i'm grouping all together maybe it's just um maybe

01:03:57.900 just my run moderating yeah because it seems like then because i would personally i feel like i would

01:04:03.660 consider the ultimate success red pill story then would be somebody like ben shapiro but it feels

01:04:08.680 like you guys really disagree so how do you reconcile with something because he's somebody

01:04:11.680 who found a wife early on, got married,

01:04:13.600 has a business, has a family,

01:04:14.940 seems like he's doing everything right,

01:04:15.900 unless we really are saying, 1.00

01:04:17.020 but he didn't fuck enough women. 1.00

01:04:18.240 So how do you reconcile that? 1.00

01:04:19.120 No, no, no.

01:04:19.280 So if it works out for him,

01:04:20.580 so it's like this, what was it?

01:04:21.860 Rich Cooper who says,

01:04:22.820 hey, don't ever date a single mother, right? 0.95

01:04:25.880 If someone comes up to Rich Cooper and is like,

01:04:27.420 hey, listen, I know what your advice was,

01:04:29.320 but I just want to let you know,

01:04:30.200 I'm dating a single mom and it's worked out for me.

01:04:32.340 We've been together for 10 years.

01:04:33.480 Rich Cooper's not going to go, 1.00

01:04:34.360 fuck you, stupid motherfucker. 1.00

01:04:35.500 Why didn't you listen to me? 1.00

01:04:36.480 He's going to go, hey, congrats, man.

01:04:37.860 It worked out for you. 0.69

01:04:41.680 had sex with is not unviable but it's slightly it's it's out there two standard deviations away

01:04:46.760 from the norm today not in 1850 that was the norm today i think it's it's difficult now here's the

01:04:52.040 thing if we look at steven crowder's situation what i'll say about this i think steven crowder

01:04:56.280 is i disagree with him i think he is a high status man the difference the difference with

01:05:00.620 steven crowder is i would say that most of us in here and most of this audience realizing you got

01:05:05.580 married in the state of texas made that much money and didn't sign a prenup that was not a smart move

01:05:11.000 on his part in fact i would even go so far and you might disagree with me on this if he had signed a

01:05:15.240 prenup she wouldn't be filing for divorce that never would have been occurred to them though

01:05:18.460 because they're both like from evangelical cultures and they're they're both like virgins

01:05:21.640 and they're like in their early 20s but then again look at the divergence here from the

01:05:26.000 traditional versus the red pill right where the red pill is like you need to be going into this

01:05:30.540 marriage waiting for it to fail get that prenup do all this like yourself protecting yourself sure

01:05:35.140 but but i mean like i i would argue snico is our muslim expert i won't touch your book sorry

01:05:40.080 but like wouldn't you argue that going into marriage is literally again like the union of

01:05:44.500 flesh you know till death do us part etc that if you're going in with the prenup you're basically

01:05:48.160 doing with your fingers crossed behind your back so you wouldn't go in with a prenup um well i

01:05:52.620 personally wouldn't i don't know if i would suggest that for other people but i'm just i'm pointing out

01:05:55.400 the difference between like the trad versus the red pill where there's this huge schism right now

01:05:58.840 in terms of advice so do you remember the science thing so if 70 to 80 percent of divorces are

01:06:02.580 initiated by women then it it would incent it would de-incentivize women to get a divorce if 1.00

01:06:08.420 there was a prenup. That's just scientifically the way I'm looking at it. Nobody gets into,

01:06:13.280 again, 38% of businesses stay in business after five years, something like that. Nobody starts

01:06:17.560 a business, but hey man, 38% chance we're going to fucking make it. But if you get married, 0.97

01:06:21.120 hey, you know what? There's a 53% chance that we're going to get divorced. Nobody says that

01:06:24.200 everyone has. But why not protect ourselves? I have home insurance, but I don't intend to

01:06:28.440 burn it down my house and I have car insurance, but I don't intend on totaling my car. I just

01:06:31.940 don't think, I think you can still be prepared. Maybe this is the military officer in me. All we

01:06:36.040 do is practice emergency procedures, but we don't intend on crashing. And so that's why I would do

01:06:40.340 that. I mean, I agree with you. And so far as business and insurance goes, it just, it feels

01:06:43.980 a little bit different. It feels a little bit different when you're talking about marriage,

01:06:47.520 because it's not necessarily just a financial union. It is realistically part of it is a

01:06:51.120 financial union. That's the origin, the origin of marriage was a financial union.

01:06:55.780 Well, probably, but it also has to do with like family creation, I think too, right?

01:06:59.360 Yeah. Heavily played into it. Probably more important even than the financial union was

01:07:02.500 the the family creation part um it just again it feels like i'm feeling the rift between like

01:07:08.360 date to find a wife to create a family versus date this 304 might divorce you get a prenup

01:07:14.300 get ready to you know she's 15 years younger than you it just seems like there's that big

01:07:17.320 divergence of qualities around the marriage part like what like i'm curious for both of you you

01:07:21.940 guys can answer like sneeko what what is like your ideal path in life if you could be like uh

01:07:26.760 striving towards an ideal when does the man get married and have a family and then you too like

01:07:30.220 when do you think a man should get married and have a family in general knowing that there's 0.67

01:07:33.040 going to be exceptions but in the western world i would say late 20s early 30s and a part of the

01:07:38.640 reason why i reverted to islam is i see it as the only logical way to get around the boredom aspect

01:07:45.680 that the red bull talks about because men always get bored men are always want variety and there's

01:07:49.820 an ethical way to do it see if you have multiple wives then you're not just spending time with 0.89

01:07:53.420 these girls knowing that you're going to go never see them again and just using for a body count if 1.00

01:07:56.880 you have multiple wives and you love them equally and you're providing for them and they're getting

01:07:59.720 something out of it and then you get past that that variety problem that a lot of guys have and

01:08:03.700 you also the women the women are going to act more in your favor if they're in a sense competing 1.00

01:08:10.900 with one another to make sure that they're providing for the husband how do you handle

01:08:14.520 this legally i mean bigamy is i would not get married legally i don't i don't recommend anybody

01:08:18.540 in the west get married i think we've seen it fail over and over again i just don't think

01:08:22.160 but i would get family creation without legal marriage without but you can get married 1.00

01:08:25.720 religiously yeah you can have the ceremony i think a lot of girls would like to have the 1.00

01:08:29.120 ceremony they want to get the dress with the pictures in the ring but they don't need to

01:08:31.840 have the actual contract and i think for a lot of guys that they if they would just logically

01:08:36.100 explain that to their woman they would have to agree just look at all the failed marriages you

01:08:39.700 look at the divorce well let me caveat that do you guys agree with that when the guy should get

01:08:43.600 married to just summarize well i've already i've already actually put that in my book so actually

01:08:47.900 it's like don't don't even consider monogamy until you're 30 years old at least 30 men i would say

01:08:53.620 at least not yeah so y'all are agreements about when they should get married i guess they might

01:08:57.400 say get miss pencil plates in the process to do so you're saying minimize that i mean i would

01:09:02.120 argue i try to spot i think you would argue for earlier than 30 right because you want to have

01:09:05.400 children to have fun with when you're like you're in your vibrant stages in life like having a

01:09:08.760 teenager we're pretty we're pretty good mid to late 20s it depends for a lot of people

01:09:16.040 no i understand but like when you have a kid when you're like 35 36 and now they're in their

01:09:20.040 teenagers years and you're like in your 50s right it's not necessarily the same type of vibe as you

01:09:24.280 so sneaker you're against um guys spinning plates and or having premarital sex with girls prior to

01:09:30.180 obviously the relationship i just see it as a waste of time to just be spending your time with

01:09:35.320 hose and and saying that that's not a sedation like that's that's the one component that the

01:09:39.340 red pill is missing is that they see it as experiences you're getting better it's part of

01:09:42.700 being a high value man is having a huge body count i see that as actually a worse sedation

01:09:47.560 than porn the video games and all this other thing because not only is it just going to waste your

01:09:51.960 time but the risk factor is extremely high and the solution that um that is offered to become

01:09:56.960 this high value man that the rebel talks about is getting a vasectomy which is is not even the

01:10:00.920 quickest solution because again hyperbole but yes hyperbole he wasn't so so the thing is you guys

01:10:06.100 remember the story of the buddha right he goes off and he he's a prince he's an indian prince and

01:10:09.980 he's never seen a dead person he's never seen a sick person he goes out for the first time and he

01:10:13.440 sees the sick the poor the dead he comes back and he freaks out and he he finds enlightenment under

01:10:17.420 the lotus tree and he tells everyone to get rid of all of your personal possessions and all this 0.99

01:10:21.240 kind of stuff but it's really easy to say that when he had a fucking harem before he said it 0.99

01:10:27.040 when you interviewed bulzerian he's like oh you know having sex with all these girls isn't that 1.00

01:10:31.060 big of a deal it's really easy to say that after you had sex with all those girls if we say this 1.00

01:10:37.040 sneeko to other dudes they're gonna sit there and listen to us and be like hey let me fuck these 0.99

01:10:40.440 girls real quick first and then i'll let me learn this lesson on my own that's the problem men from 0.99

01:10:44.160 learn from experience for sure i will tell you you are 100 right it was a sedation for me and i 0.95

01:10:48.600 fucking enjoyed it i'll tell you that also so that's the problem the thing is while we say that 0.82

01:10:52.740 and i agree with what you're saying and i think you're setting a good example the problem is men 0.98

01:10:55.960 are still men men are always going to be more interested in casual sex than women are the 37 0.71

01:11:00.360 culture study done by dr david buss and all 37 cultures men were more interested in casual sex

01:11:04.960 than women that's true but then you have to think about like because we all have a platform like 1.00

01:11:08.400 what's the best advice to give out to the masses because if you're saying for me statistics for me

01:11:12.660 statistics is the best advice the truth the truth is the only thing that i that i care about i don't

01:11:16.700 amoral like you said before because the problem is that the overton window consistently shifts

01:11:21.480 to the left and no matter how much i as a christian wanted to go back to the right i know that unless

01:11:25.680 other than i can think of maybe afghanistan recently in 1979 and in iran i can't think of

01:11:31.220 a single society that shifted back to the right in the last 50 years i know but then you're creating

01:11:35.540 a bunch of men that are victims of that system and that are just playing parts of this leftist

01:11:38.480 system instead of trying to create people that's leftist but yeah i understand what you're saying

01:11:41.500 i think you also have to be careful we our advice can't be statistics because i feel like one of

01:11:44.640 things you argue against as red pillars is just being a statistic right like you could argue if

01:11:48.280 you're listening to your man should kill yourself because statistically speaking men kill themselves

01:11:50.760 more than women but that's not a good argument right like in some senses um yeah exactly like 1.00

01:11:56.240 you don't want to just be a statistic right because statistically speaking what what percentage of

01:12:00.120 marriages end a divorce what percentage is women initiative right you want to try to find a way to 1.00

01:12:03.400 rise above right i guess maybe a better way would be like here's my prescription but they come with

01:12:07.360 the statistics and this is the reason why and none of them are based on my feelings they're always

01:12:11.180 is gonna be based on other statistics.

01:12:12.840 So I would say, for instance,

01:12:14.460 if I were to say 78% of divorces are initiated by women,

01:12:17.060 that would be, my prescription would then be to get a prenup.

01:12:20.460 But it's based on that statistic.

01:12:21.780 Yeah, for sure.

01:12:22.620 But it could also be like,

01:12:23.620 well, here are the most common reasons for divorce.

01:12:25.440 Try to remedy these before they become an issue.

01:12:27.660 That's another great statistic though.

01:12:29.080 You're reading a statistic for a prescription.

01:12:30.660 But the feeling is what do we express

01:12:32.180 at the end of the day, right?

01:12:33.440 It's the difference between history and historiography, right?

01:12:35.260 If we wanna tell the story of World War II,

01:12:36.640 we're not gonna talk about every single soldier in the war.

01:12:38.460 We're gonna focus on the leaders,

01:12:40.340 focus on the big battles sending with statistics right um it's uh what is it statistics don't lie

01:12:45.060 but liars do statistics you can arguably use statistics to tell almost any kind of story you

01:12:49.060 want depending on how you massage your numbers and depending on what side you um present but it's our

01:12:53.060 choice to choose what we want to present to the people which is what we tell them to do um also

01:12:57.300 one thing i would say on the marriage stuff um because i hear this a lot i don't know how many

01:13:00.260 of you guys talk about this or get into this a lot you have to be really careful with the um live

01:13:04.180 with the woman but never get married one because some states have something called common law

01:13:07.460 law marriage yes i hope most of you guys are familiar with right so you might not think you're

01:13:10.880 married i don't believe has it but yes yeah yeah i think texas no texas does i'm sorry

01:13:14.820 be very careful with that because you might find you're getting a divorce notice from a woman you

01:13:19.540 never agreed to marry so one be careful with the common law thing and then two i do believe that

01:13:23.920 one of the reasons we don't have to get too deep into the divorce stuff because i might come later

01:13:26.700 but one of the reasons women probably want some sort of like formal contract is because you know 1.00

01:13:30.680 while there might be some love and children all of that there is also money and career being left

01:13:34.380 on the table too, depending on the arrangement. If you're telling a woman like, Hey, um, we're 0.82

01:13:38.160 going to fuck, we're going to have kids and I love you. And I love that. And I love our family. 1.00

01:13:41.220 You're going to stay here and take care of the kids while I go. And I continue my career.

01:13:43.880 When we split, if we get divorced in 10 years, I didn't lose shit financially. Um, because I'm, 0.91

01:13:49.420 I'm, my career has been fine. I've been working the entire time. And now you're stuck being a

01:13:52.480 full-time caregiver. You might've given up your career to do it. So I think it's reasonable for

01:13:56.220 the woman to say much the same that a man might say, I want a prenup, you know, just cause we 1.00

01:13:59.460 get divorced and you're taking half my shit. The woman could also be like, okay, I understand that. 1.00

01:14:02.480 But if we end up getting divorced and I'm throwing away a decade of my life to take care of your fucking children, our children, I want some kind of financial assurance. 0.99

01:14:08.480 So I think that's fair. 0.99

01:14:09.140 And you're aware that certain prenups are thrown out exactly for the reason.

01:14:11.980 Depending on how egregious they are or the state of the people writing them or both sides had representation.

01:14:16.280 There's a lot of right. Yeah. Some some prenups do get thrown out, but not all of them right now.

01:14:20.320 OK, real quick. This has been great. I'm going to read some of these chats real quick and we're going to kill the Facebook and the Twitter stream.

01:14:25.580 So, guys, come on over to YouTube right now. Like the video on YouTube. Subscribe to the channel.

01:14:28.860 And also, all the guys' links are below.

01:14:30.780 Follow Destiny on YouTube.

01:14:32.320 Check out Sneeko on Rumble.

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01:14:36.780 as well as Rolla Tomasi on the Rational Mail.

01:14:39.060 I'm reading only $100 Super Chats and up, guys,

01:14:41.200 so that I can make sure that we keep this thing nice and succinct.

01:14:43.520 We got Platinum Elite going.

01:14:44.820 The Red Pill has applause.

01:14:46.100 Thanks, guys.

01:14:46.640 I appreciate you.

01:14:47.300 Oh, you got to go?

01:14:47.720 Oh, you got to go?

01:14:48.280 Hey, come to Vegas.

01:14:49.020 Ah, he's going to Vegas.

01:14:50.120 Seriously, come to Vegas.

01:14:51.420 Come to Vegas.

01:14:52.960 Don't wait.

01:14:53.500 We won't take it to any clubs.

01:14:55.300 I'll take it to some of the distractions.

01:14:56.520 I'm the married guy.

01:14:57.400 Do they have any mosques in Las Vegas?

01:14:59.280 Yeah, of course.

01:14:59.540 Yeah, of course.

01:15:01.400 You're in.

01:15:02.140 You're on.

01:15:02.740 This guy's sneaked on.

01:15:03.180 Okay, put fun with your new friend.

01:15:04.540 You're closer friends.

01:15:05.520 Bye, buddy.

01:15:06.100 I'll sneak on.

01:15:06.600 Got some distractions.

01:15:12.660 That's it.

01:15:13.080 Is this your job?

SNEAKO - May 16, 2023

SNEAKO & Destiny Confront Rollo Face To Face On FNF

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