SNEAKO - May 11, 2023


SNEAKO & Destiny Debate the ＂Red Pill Godfather＂ on FnF


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00:00:00.000 The point of it was to get douche nozzles like yourself
00:00:03.280 to fucking have this conversation in the first place.
00:00:06.340 How old are you, bro?
00:00:08.240 Douche nozzles?
00:00:09.520 Yes.
00:00:10.360 You guys are fucking idiots.
00:00:12.020 Why do you guys come in here from fucking Twitch stream?
00:00:14.300 Like, how you guys are legitimate in all of this?
00:00:16.400 I don't know, because everything I've heard come out of you guys' mouth
00:00:18.800 is just fucking confident ignorance.
00:00:20.640 You call yourself the godfather of the red pill.
00:00:22.760 You call yourself the godfather of the manosphere, okay?
00:00:25.500 Other people have called me that.
00:00:27.240 Okay, great.
00:00:28.060 Do you understand?
00:00:29.540 Yes.
00:00:29.860 Okay, so as that.
00:00:31.400 Godfather or grandfather of the manosphere?
00:00:32.600 Which one is it?
00:00:32.980 Whatever it is, the old guy of the manosphere.
00:00:34.920 What is your definition of high-value man?
00:00:37.040 This is the number one talked-about topic on all of these shows,
00:00:40.100 so I want to get a clear definition from you.
00:00:42.460 What is it?
00:00:44.120 Let's go ahead and bring Rolo Tomasi on.
00:00:46.180 Shout out to Rolo.
00:00:46.780 Can I hear you okay?
00:00:48.540 What up, man?
00:00:49.060 Yeah, we got you.
00:00:49.860 Okay, okay.
00:00:50.760 So let me explain a few things here.
00:00:52.840 I wasn't able to do this the last time you guys were talking about this,
00:00:54.900 but so about, gosh, is it now two weeks ago?
00:00:59.180 I think it was Tuesday of last week you guys had Brandon Carter on.
00:01:02.860 Is that with Derek Moneyberg?
00:01:05.240 Or is that Monday?
00:01:06.800 Monday.
00:01:07.460 Monday.
00:01:07.840 Sorry, let me get my camera back up there.
00:01:10.380 So Monday, you guys were talking to Brandon Carter.
00:01:13.400 One of the things that Brandon was talking about was you got to love money.
00:01:17.220 You got to be on top of your game.
00:01:18.800 And I love Brandon Carter, by the way.
00:01:20.460 I think he should be a stand-up comedian.
00:01:23.880 I mean, the guy is that funny.
00:01:25.060 He's a great guy, right?
00:01:26.280 But when you guys are on that show and you're talking to him and he's talking about how he doesn't go to – well, he doesn't go to Publix,
00:01:33.980 doesn't go grocery shopping for himself.
00:01:35.480 He doesn't go do his own laundry.
00:01:37.400 He doesn't have a car.
00:01:38.640 I mean, it's Brickle White.
00:01:39.560 But he doesn't have, like, some basic stuff because his philosophy in life is this, is that anything that takes him away from his grind,
00:01:48.260 anything that takes him away from anything that would distract him or that would be financially or mathematically not a pragmatic choice for him to make
00:01:58.620 as far as, like, if he's spending time going grocery shopping or going and, you know, getting food for himself or whatever else.
00:02:05.020 I'm sure he's, like, into meal prep and everything else.
00:02:06.880 But pretty much everything in his life is outsourced because anything that he would be spending that time himself to go do,
00:02:16.120 he could be losing money doing that at that time.
00:02:19.480 So when I was listening to this and I was thinking about this myself because I was actually at the same time,
00:02:25.380 I'm, like, you know, helping a friend move and all this.
00:02:27.880 And I'm thinking about this.
00:02:28.860 I'm going, you know what?
00:02:29.640 If you want to be a high-value man, if you want to get to that apex level as fast as you can,
00:02:34.680 that's how is that not the best way to go about it, okay?
00:02:39.820 So the point of that whole tweet, which was basically a throwaway tweet that everyone started, like, snowballing into something else.
00:02:46.740 I've got Ben Shapiro coming at me.
00:02:48.660 I got Matt Walsh coming at me.
00:02:50.340 I got Lauren Chen coming at me.
00:02:51.680 I got all these people off of Daily Wire because it was just easy, low-hanging fruit for these guys because they think that that's what the fucking manosphere is all about.
00:02:59.040 And it's not, okay?
00:03:00.640 That was not fucking advice.
00:03:02.200 Everything that is on Twitter is not advice, okay?
00:03:05.180 Was that a joke?
00:03:06.340 No.
00:03:06.660 It was not to say a joke, but it's, like, let's just say it's a hypothetical, okay?
00:03:10.840 What?
00:03:11.840 Now, let's just fuck up for just fucking five seconds, okay?
00:03:15.220 There's no fucking joke here because everything that's come out of both of you guys' mouth has been nothing but distraction and misdirection because it's easy fucking clicks for you.
00:03:24.460 So, here's the whole thing.
00:03:26.020 When I'm talking about get a vasectomy or don't be concerned with –
00:03:31.120 When he's mad, his glasses get uneven on his nose, you see.
00:03:34.380 I'm really mad about this, bro.
00:03:36.240 Shall we keep going?
00:03:38.080 Are we just going to have jokes thrown in here?
00:03:40.240 Is that what I get to – is that what I get to do?
00:03:44.700 Okay, so here's the deal.
00:03:46.680 When I'm talking about this, when I'm throwing this out there, why wouldn't you do that?
00:03:50.340 So, would you not have been more successful, Sneeko, had you not had to go through certain things?
00:03:55.020 If you had a kid right now, you would be playing the game with a handicap.
00:04:00.260 You would be playing the game with your fucking hands tied behind your back.
00:04:03.700 Okay, so we're all –
00:04:04.300 There are guys right now who I have a lot of respect for and I'm sure you have a lot of respect for as well who all have kids, but you know what they try to do?
00:04:13.560 Try to keep it under wraps.
00:04:14.980 Okay, so nobody knows about the fucking kids, okay?
00:04:17.560 That's what is advice.
00:04:18.140 So, here's – okay, first off, this is not fucking advice.
00:04:21.560 Everything that is on my show or is on Twitter is not automatically advice.
00:04:26.440 But here's the thing.
00:04:27.940 I know what you're going to say because here's the deal.
00:04:29.920 When I was on whatever podcast I was telling this, I was saying exactly the same thing here is that everything that comes out of somebody's mouth on Instagram or on Twitter or on YouTube, there's no way you can't go on there without somebody going,
00:04:42.460 this is what these guys are saying to do because if you have this set automatically that if it comes out of your mouth, it's automatically advice, it can't just be data.
00:04:51.900 It can't just be statistics.
00:04:53.240 It can't be – nothing can be just delivered sort of like here's some data for you to look at, okay?
00:04:58.100 Nothing can be set – nothing can be given to you without somebody going, well, the reason why you're telling me this is because you're telling me that this is the best way to live my life, okay?
00:05:07.600 So when I'm watching Brendan Carter and I'm watching all this going on and I'm looking at like guys that I know and guys that you know as well and when these are the guys who are like saying, you know, be on your game, do this, do that.
00:05:20.120 They're the ones that are giving this advice.
00:05:22.160 All I'm doing is saying, hey, look, maybe you should not focus on family.
00:05:26.160 Maybe you should not get married.
00:05:27.340 I mean that's – I don't know why that's big.
00:05:28.840 But it's maybe advice?
00:05:30.480 I'm not saying it's – I'm not saying it's advice.
00:05:32.840 What I'm saying is that it's over the fucking top that everybody wants to take it out of context, which is exactly what you guys have been doing.
00:05:41.140 Can you tell me what that tweet was if it wasn't advice?
00:05:44.360 It's not advice.
00:05:45.620 What it is is it's – okay, it's saying that this is the most extreme way to do things, okay?
00:05:49.820 Here's the quickest path to – if I told you this, look.
00:05:55.740 If I said the quickest way for you to make a million dollars –
00:05:59.580 That sounds like advice.
00:06:00.160 If I tell you to go steal it from the bank or go to steal it, does that mean I'm telling you to go steal it?
00:06:06.280 If I tell you to go fucking jump off a cliff, are you going to go jump off a cliff?
00:06:09.700 By the way, here's the other thing.
00:06:11.820 I'm also responding to Dr. Richard Reeves in this as well.
00:06:15.020 Okay.
00:06:15.460 There's a lot of context about it, sure.
00:06:17.320 But all the rest of the list, you're equating vasectomy to lifting, game, play to your strength, resisting up on easing your focus.
00:06:25.380 The rest of it sounds like general advice.
00:06:27.200 Okay.
00:06:27.520 Well, let's say – so let me ask you.
00:06:29.400 So is it the vasectomy part that's throwing you off?
00:06:32.680 Genuine good advice, right?
00:06:33.980 The rest of it is –
00:06:34.720 So is it the vasectomy part?
00:06:37.760 Yeah.
00:06:38.660 Do you agree with pretty much everything else except for the vasectomy part?
00:06:42.540 The first three is weird because then I don't even know what the red pill idea of a high-value man is.
00:06:46.760 Is it just being rich?
00:06:47.940 Like what's the point of having all this money and not having a family?
00:06:51.000 Why be that rich?
00:06:51.860 The guy who's always grinding.
00:06:52.860 Whoa, Brandon Carter doesn't have to do his laundry.
00:06:55.000 Sick.
00:06:55.460 What else are you going to do with your life?
00:06:56.960 Right.
00:06:57.680 Right.
00:06:58.300 Maybe this is actually meant so that you'll get it.
00:07:00.660 You'll have a freaking epiphany about how – all the shit that you have to sacrifice to get to that in the first place.
00:07:07.580 What are you willing to sacrifice?
00:07:09.160 Are you willing to – are you willing to live the kind of life that, say, like a Brandon Carter is where you're going to outsource your entire life?
00:07:14.820 Or are you going to actually have – is that something that's a priority for you?
00:07:20.140 Because I will tell you right now that if you do – if you follow this kind – if you were to actually follow this list right here, that is the fastest way for you to get to a point where you are more high-value.
00:07:31.440 Right?
00:07:31.640 But here's the thing.
00:07:32.320 So when I say that, people go, well, that's not what a high-value man is.
00:07:35.820 A high-value man is what I define it as, which is he's got to have a good, loving, devoted wife.
00:07:41.640 He's got to have three or four kids or ten kids depending on whatever culture you're talking about.
00:07:45.920 All of this stuff that makes up whatever that person who happens to have that is, then that's suddenly the definition of what a high-value man is.
00:07:54.100 So what I'm saying – I'm saying this is the best way to become a high-value man.
00:07:57.640 I'm not saying this is the only way to become a high-value man.
00:08:00.420 I'm just saying that this is the fastest way to go and do something like that.
00:08:03.200 You've been talking a lot for five minutes.
00:08:04.460 What is your definition of a high-value man?
00:08:07.280 It doesn't matter.
00:08:08.080 That's not what I was talking about in this.
00:08:10.380 It doesn't matter.
00:08:10.880 That's not what you're talking about.
00:08:11.440 That's what the first part of the tweet is, how to become a high-value man.
00:08:13.920 And the fastest way to become a high-value man is to recognize the fact that you've got sacrifices to make.
00:08:22.540 You're almost like a grandpa telling stories from Vietnam.
00:08:25.020 Like, just say, what is a high-value man?
00:08:26.300 It's the first part of the tweet.
00:08:27.080 What does that mean?
00:08:27.680 You tell me what a high-value man is.
00:08:29.520 Because here's the thing.
00:08:30.400 It doesn't matter what I'm going to say is a high-value man.
00:08:33.340 Because it's your fucking tweet.
00:08:37.340 It doesn't matter what I say is a fucking high-value man because everybody takes this.
00:08:41.680 The point of the fucking tweet is that everybody is going to take this and then insert their own definition of what a fucking high-value man is.
00:08:49.380 What if a high-value man is having 12 kids when you're 16?
00:08:53.200 Then your tweet doesn't work, does it?
00:08:54.780 What if your definition of a high-value man is getting into a trade and having five kids by the time you're 22?
00:08:59.400 Then it also is being an e-sports professional.
00:09:02.380 You're absolutely making my point for me right here, okay?
00:09:05.120 This is what I'm saying.
00:09:06.740 My point is, is a high-value man.
00:09:08.520 You gave a list of eight things.
00:09:10.220 Do these eight things to become a high-value man.
00:09:12.200 Do one through eight to become A.
00:09:14.220 And you're not defining what A is.
00:09:15.640 The fastest way to becoming a high-value man is these two ways.
00:09:19.800 What is that?
00:09:20.700 So here's the thing.
00:09:21.680 So if we're talking about family creation, you already talked.
00:09:24.180 Okay, so you want to go one by one.
00:09:26.860 You want to go one by one?
00:09:28.180 No, I want to go before one by one.
00:09:30.600 What is a high-value man?
00:09:31.560 We can't have an argument if I don't even know what you're definition of.
00:09:33.760 The point is the very fact that you're even asking this in the first place is the actual point of the fucking tweet, okay?
00:09:40.440 So if you're going to be a high-value man with the fucking hands tied behind your back, then what does that mean to you?
00:09:47.360 That's the point.
00:09:48.180 This whole discussion is the point of the fucking tweet.
00:09:51.260 One of the tweets was, you've got some conception of a high-value man.
00:09:54.520 Here are eight points that you think you need to do to get to it.
00:09:56.240 And now you're getting blown the fuck up on the vasectomy thing, which you probably realize is fucking retarded.
00:09:59.560 But you're too old and stubborn to walk back from it.
00:10:01.320 That's the point of this conversation.
00:10:02.080 I'm not too stubborn to fucking walk back from it because the point of it was to get douche nozzles like yourself to fucking have this conversation in the first place.
00:10:10.260 How old are you, bro?
00:10:12.240 Douche nozzles?
00:10:13.480 Yes.
00:10:14.300 You guys are fucking idiots.
00:10:15.940 Why do you guys come in here from fucking Twitch stream?
00:10:18.220 Like how you guys are legitimate in all of this?
00:10:20.340 I don't know because everything I've heard come out of you guys' mouth is just fucking confident ignorance.
00:10:24.360 No, no, no, no, no, Myron, Myron.
00:10:26.800 Okay, I'm not asking you like in terms of the debate.
00:10:29.040 You call yourself the godfather of the red pill.
00:10:31.160 You call yourself the godfather of the manosphere, okay?
00:10:33.800 Other people have called me that.
00:10:35.540 Okay, great.
00:10:36.380 Do you understand?
00:10:38.200 Okay, so as that.
00:10:39.960 The godfather or grandfather of the manosphere?
00:10:40.880 Which one is it?
00:10:41.260 Whatever it is, the old guy of the manosphere.
00:10:43.140 What is your definition of high-value man?
00:10:45.340 This is the number one talked-about topic on all of these shows.
00:10:48.440 So I want to get a clear definition from you.
00:10:50.740 What is it?
00:10:52.160 You tell – again, it depends on the person.
00:10:55.180 It depends on the culture.
00:10:56.360 It depends on the – so here's the thing.
00:10:58.080 Let me tell you.
00:10:58.580 Maybe I can explain this to you, Sneeko, because at least you got your ears open here.
00:11:02.580 The thing is is that when we're talking about what's the top G, what's a high-value guy,
00:11:07.300 you probably haven't heard this because you don't read my stuff and you don't watch my shit.
00:11:11.260 But I've also said this is like the red pill has to be for everybody or it's for nobody.
00:11:16.000 So if we're looking at a guy who's draped across a Lamborghini and he's got hot chicks
00:11:20.520 with him and we say that's what I'm aspiring to but I'll never make that because I live
00:11:24.640 in a fucking fishing village on the coast of Chile, right?
00:11:27.580 That means I can never be – I can never match that high apex of a high value car.
00:11:33.140 The guy in the car?
00:11:34.100 But the guy who happens to live in those villages or happens to be in a different culture
00:11:38.140 or in a different country or whatever else, he can still benefit from that because however
00:11:42.740 he's defining himself as a high-value man in his fishing village, maybe that's what
00:11:46.860 he – that's what he can aspire to.
00:11:48.980 It has nothing to do with Chile in the village in the car.
00:11:51.320 See, here's the thing is you guys want me to say, okay, a high-value man makes $100,000
00:11:57.100 a year.
00:11:57.520 He's fucked 50 chicks.
00:11:58.440 He's got like – that's the thing.
00:12:00.080 That's not what I want you to say.
00:12:00.960 I disagree with that.
00:12:02.140 I'm asking you because I come on this all the time.
00:12:03.820 What I'm saying is the point of the tweet is so you'll ask that question.
00:12:08.720 I'm past the tweet.
00:12:09.780 I'm past that.
00:12:10.820 Look, I'm asking as somebody who's really interested in the red pill.
00:12:13.320 I listen to a lot of this content.
00:12:14.660 I want to know what your definition is because if you have a definition that's completely
00:12:18.340 off of what I think it is, then I guess I'm not red pill.
00:12:21.400 Well, here's what – okay, so here's what I think guys ought to do.
00:12:25.060 Would you like me to give you some prescriptions?
00:12:26.560 Is that what we're trying for here?
00:12:27.820 No, I want to know your opinion of a high-value man.
00:12:30.440 What is it?
00:12:30.860 I think a high-value man is whatever is contextually makes that guy a high-value guy in whatever
00:12:36.260 culture that he happens to be in.
00:12:37.740 If that's money, that's money.
00:12:39.120 Right now, that's what we tend to focus on right now.
00:12:41.780 If it's – but if I'm going to say that –
00:12:44.100 A high-value man is a guy that has the things that makes him a high-value man.
00:12:46.600 That's big.
00:12:47.720 The things that make you a high-value man.
00:12:49.420 Okay, what is that?
00:12:50.540 We're trying to –
00:12:52.280 We're trying to define it.
00:12:54.120 We're trying to define it.
00:12:55.040 Because here's the thing.
00:12:55.760 When I read the tweet, I interpreted it right – higher – like he's listing things
00:13:00.300 that if you follow these things, right, and you actually follow them, you're probably
00:13:03.920 not going to become a fuck-up, right?
00:13:05.140 And to be a high-value guy, I would say it's a couple combination of things.
00:13:07.620 It's obviously having your money on point, having social proof and status, having respect
00:13:10.940 from your peers, having a network of other high-value men, right, which I agree with
00:13:14.440 Kevin Samuels on that, being fit to a degree.
00:13:16.500 If you have all these things in place, you'll be considered a high-value man by most people
00:13:19.640 in most societies, right, if you have these things in place.
00:13:21.840 Now, with that said, to get there, right, you obviously have to focus and get your shit
00:13:25.820 together and make sure that you focus on getting there.
00:13:27.980 What he's saying is all these – the list of things that he mentioned, if you follow
00:13:32.100 them, it's going to mitigate your risk of becoming a fuck-up and not getting to that
00:13:36.280 point as quickly as possible.
00:13:37.780 And I think that's so important is that this tweet kind of gets taken out of context.
00:13:40.640 He's saying the quickest way to become a high-value man, avoid and do these things because
00:13:45.180 you're limiting distractions.
00:13:46.160 And he's using Brandon Carter as an example where he's in a monogamous relationship with a
00:13:49.460 girl.
00:13:49.800 He outsourced a lot of his things.
00:13:50.760 Why?
00:13:51.380 So he's able to focus on making more money.
00:13:53.060 He's getting rid of obstacles.
00:13:54.280 And I think that tweet demonstrates that.
00:13:55.940 He's getting rid of obstacles so you can become a high-value man in the quickest possible
00:13:59.360 way.
00:13:59.800 Now, I know the most controversial one is the vasectomy, though there's other ways to
00:14:04.280 get the same, I guess, effect from vasectomy.
00:14:06.360 Let's say you use a condom.
00:14:07.460 Let's say you pull out whatever it may be.
00:14:09.300 He's saying, okay, if you get the vasectomy, then we know for a fact you're not going to
00:14:13.140 have children.
00:14:14.160 It's really no different than having a condom or pulling out or whatever it may be.
00:14:16.940 The point is to not get a girl pregnant.
00:14:18.460 How you want to get there is up to you, whether it's through a vasectomy,
00:14:20.600 using condoms, whatever, but he's making it retard-proof.
00:14:23.180 Hey, vasectomy, because I know even if you are the dumbest guy ever, you can't fuck this
00:14:27.080 up.
00:14:27.360 I don't think a retarded guy could be a high-value guy.
00:14:30.040 No, when I say retarded, I mean as in stupid.
00:14:32.160 But what I'm saying is that the point I'm trying to make is this list is the foolproof way if
00:14:38.200 everything is followed for you to get your status up as quickly as possible in your
00:14:41.760 20s.
00:14:42.180 That's not what the list is, though, because what you just said was advice, and he said it's
00:14:45.040 clearly not advice.
00:14:45.980 So you're interpreting it a different way.
00:14:47.280 He said he's joking, and he's trying to provoke people.
00:14:48.480 Yeah, he was just joking.
00:14:48.920 Like, half of it was just for jokes.
00:14:50.160 But I'm telling you, I started out telling you guys how I interpreted that.
00:14:53.220 Yeah.
00:14:53.420 Right?
00:14:53.760 He said it was wrong.
00:14:55.860 Right.
00:14:56.020 He said it was wrong.
00:14:56.960 So that people can interpret it how they want.
00:14:58.740 Exactly.
00:14:59.060 It was a great discussion.
00:15:00.300 That's the point.
00:15:00.720 That's what he said.
00:15:01.680 He asked a question earlier.
00:15:03.640 So you asked him a question.
00:15:04.420 What is high value?
00:15:05.240 You answered it.
00:15:06.120 It's whatever you determined that to be.
00:15:07.460 No, that's bullshit.
00:15:08.280 None of you guys believe that.
00:15:09.640 I do.
00:15:09.940 If some guy comes on this show and he weighs 350 pounds, and he says, I'm diamond one in
00:15:13.140 League of Legends.
00:15:13.780 That's what I want to do with my life.
00:15:14.840 Would you go, well, that's what you really want.
00:15:16.200 You're high value.
00:15:16.880 You wouldn't say that.
00:15:17.720 No.
00:15:18.060 But once again, it starts in the mind.
00:15:20.260 You're going to say, for example, oh, that's not true.
00:15:22.320 Which I agree is not true.
00:15:23.760 But ultimately, you as a man decide what's high value for you.
00:15:26.220 No, you don't.
00:15:27.160 Yes, you do.
00:15:27.780 Value is probably something that's determined by society.
00:15:30.420 High value.
00:15:31.380 Value means that you have a worth to other people.
00:15:33.800 You're just talking about being comfortable.
00:15:35.440 I agree.
00:15:36.800 But the tweet.
00:15:37.640 Don't say you agree.
00:15:38.380 I just said the total opposite.
00:15:39.360 No, no, no.
00:15:39.880 I agree.
00:15:40.480 And that point where, for example, people determine you as high value.
00:15:43.480 However, the tweet saying high value could mean in your sense, whatever that means to
00:15:47.520 you.
00:15:47.860 No, it doesn't.
00:15:48.460 What?
00:15:48.700 That's what he's saying.
00:15:49.320 No, he's not.
00:15:49.860 He doesn't know because he doesn't have a good definition because he doesn't.
00:15:52.000 He says anything.
00:15:52.600 He's going to get pissed.
00:15:53.020 You sound like the girls who believe they're a 10 because they describe themselves as a 10 in the
00:15:56.940 mirror.
00:15:57.140 If you brought in some point and he's like, I'm high value because I'm a manager at my
00:16:00.720 McDonald's, you probably wouldn't agree that he's high value.
00:16:02.980 Is that when he says high value, you're going to determine that as a man.
00:16:06.180 What does that mean for you?
00:16:07.300 Success is a part of it.
00:16:08.360 Yes.
00:16:08.680 But there's success could be owning a farm or having a business.
00:16:11.720 It doesn't matter.
00:16:12.240 He's saying to get to that point, you need focus.
00:16:14.100 Ultimately, that's that's what he's saying.
00:16:15.860 Just just be focused.
00:16:17.000 That's it.
00:16:17.560 I mean, look, we make fun of the girls all the time for saying that they're 10 out of 10s
00:16:20.800 all the time because they say it in their head.
00:16:22.300 I believe I'm a 10 out of 10.
00:16:23.460 No, that's that's ridiculous because society determines how attractive you are.
00:16:27.800 Society determines how valuable you are.
00:16:29.620 You can't apply that a lot.
00:16:30.560 You can't make fun of the girl, the ugly fat whale who thinks she's a 10 girl boss queen,
00:16:34.640 and then also say a high value man can believe it in his head.
00:16:38.700 Well, I gave you guys a 10 when I you have a good definition.
00:16:41.800 You talked about being relatively fit, having a network of people that are very social.
00:16:45.840 Yeah, of course.
00:16:46.280 I do.
00:16:47.300 Because here's the thing for me.
00:16:48.180 I will define it because that will allow you guys to see where I'm coming from when I'm
00:16:51.400 interpreting that we know where you're coming from.
00:16:53.000 We have the tweet out there.
00:16:53.880 He doesn't know where he's coming from.
00:16:55.040 He seems a little lost right now.
00:16:56.260 So we're trying to figure out, you know, what exactly he means.
00:16:58.360 But I think, again, the tweet, I think that's the important part of the tweet is that it allows
00:17:01.860 people to interpret it how they want, which is why we're talking about it right now.
00:17:05.280 The tweet.
00:17:05.780 Yeah.
00:17:05.980 Why would you?
00:17:07.660 I'm giving advice to people.
00:17:08.860 I don't want them to interpret it how they want.
00:17:10.380 Otherwise, what the fuck is the point of my message?
00:17:12.120 If I'm not giving advice to people, that's the whole point of this.
00:17:17.700 Do you want it?
00:17:18.840 It's impossible to put anything out there without people interpreting it as follow these fucking
00:17:26.980 steps.
00:17:27.420 Here's your 12 rules for life.
00:17:28.600 And you're going to live a happy.
00:17:30.020 That's literally what your tweet was.
00:17:32.380 Do these things.
00:17:33.500 What is the wording of the tweet?
00:17:34.640 Go back to the tweet itself.
00:17:36.340 So here's so in that wording, what am I?
00:17:39.260 What's the last part of that?
00:17:40.640 What's the last one?
00:17:41.520 Resist easing up on your focus.
00:17:42.720 Whatever is like, would you want me to insert what you ought to be doing?
00:17:46.220 You ought to be coding.
00:17:47.460 Is that what I should say?
00:17:48.580 You ought to be becoming a professional athlete.
00:17:51.240 I don't know what your fucking strengths are.
00:17:53.380 You can simplify.
00:17:54.000 I say work hard again.
00:17:55.180 If I so here's the thing.
00:17:56.140 If I say here's if I say, you know what?
00:17:58.440 You ought to be an NBA player and it doesn't matter if that you're five, nine fucking stay
00:18:01.980 in your focus and you're going to be the best NBA player you can possibly be.
00:18:04.260 That'd be terrible advice.
00:18:05.340 That'd be absolutely terrible advice because this is a fucking advice.
00:18:08.380 That's why.
00:18:09.480 Okay.
00:18:10.040 This is a list that is meant to get so you get an idea of what the fuck it is that you're
00:18:15.220 going to do so that you can become that high value man.
00:18:17.720 Protect yourself.
00:18:18.900 Don't get married.
00:18:19.680 Avoid family creation.
00:18:21.040 That's second.
00:18:21.480 Again, this is over the top shit.
00:18:23.420 Anybody who knows anything about my material.
00:18:25.560 When I throw this out there, they know this is over the top shit.
00:18:28.260 What else on that fucking fire for like for like douche nozzles?
00:18:32.680 I don't want to be a douche nozzle, but what else?
00:18:35.920 Besides number three, what else here is over the top?
00:18:37.940 Besides vasectomy.
00:18:38.980 I'll live consistently.
00:18:39.820 Okay.
00:18:40.280 Well, what if like, there's no way you agree with that saying, hold on for rollo.
00:18:47.200 It might be okay.
00:18:47.980 To be fair.
00:18:48.500 To be fair.
00:18:49.180 Guys.
00:18:49.900 See, here's the thing, but you're missing.
00:18:51.120 Like you're, are you not hearing anything he's saying?
00:18:53.540 Like you need to blindly agree with him?
00:18:55.200 Cause nothing he's saying is making any sense, bro.
00:18:57.340 It's not making any sense to you because you don't understand the fucking concept of
00:19:00.100 the tweet.
00:19:00.520 That's why.
00:19:01.980 Did you understand what I was saying about Brandon Carter?
00:19:07.660 Yeah.
00:19:07.940 He doesn't do his laundry.
00:19:09.100 No, but he's taken everything to this extreme level.
00:19:12.200 Like to a lot of guys.
00:19:13.680 Brandon.
00:19:14.480 Okay.
00:19:14.960 Would you agree with me that Brandon Carter is a high value guy?
00:19:17.760 Sure.
00:19:18.680 Okay.
00:19:19.180 You know who wouldn't Ben Shapiro?
00:19:20.960 You know who wouldn't a lot of other people because they think that they're living out
00:19:24.580 their own high value ideal.
00:19:26.740 Do you understand that?
00:19:28.460 Context.
00:19:29.580 Like the 350 pound e-sports player is living out his ideal of a high value man.
00:19:33.700 Yeah.
00:19:34.160 Whether or not that's working for him is, is irrelevant to the fucking tweet.
00:19:37.820 When I say, okay, when I'm talking about Brandon Carter, you say, you understand that he's
00:19:41.500 taking it to like this extreme level.
00:19:43.860 How is Ben Shapiro not a high value guy?
00:19:45.640 I'm telling you, like his, for Brandon, what do you think Brandon Carter's definition of
00:19:49.000 a high value man is?
00:19:50.140 Probably the same as mine.
00:19:51.700 Which is?
00:19:52.620 Determined by society.
00:19:53.660 If you have respect from your community, then you are a high value person.
00:19:56.940 If people respect you.
00:19:57.740 So, so being, being pro-social and having people like you and you don't agree with him because
00:20:04.040 he's daily wire.
00:20:04.620 Ben Shapiro is definitely a high value man.
00:20:06.340 Okay.
00:20:06.740 But, okay.
00:20:08.700 So, okay.
00:20:09.420 So let's just say for sake, let's say he does.
00:20:11.700 He said so.
00:20:12.100 You don't think Ben Shapiro is a high value man.
00:20:14.300 Let's take for, do I think he is?
00:20:16.300 I don't think he's a high value man.
00:20:17.560 What is his definition?
00:20:19.300 He owns his own business.
00:20:20.380 It's like one of the most successful alt media platforms in the world.
00:20:22.380 He's married and young sweet.
00:20:23.940 Right, right, right.
00:20:25.040 You know who else is not a high value guy?
00:20:26.620 Elon Musk.
00:20:27.400 Let's see.
00:20:27.980 Who else?
00:20:28.560 Jeff Bezos.
00:20:29.680 All you got to do is just go.
00:20:31.440 All you have to do is look at the decisions they've made in their personal lives.
00:20:34.280 Okay.
00:20:34.640 How are we going to define that?
00:20:35.980 If I'm going to define that.
00:20:37.320 You're the only one here who hasn't defined it.
00:20:39.360 Because I'm not the one defining it for fucking Jeff Bezos.
00:20:42.620 I'm not the one defining it for fucking.
00:20:45.040 What's his name?
00:20:46.700 I think she's a 10 as long as that's how she defines beauty to herself.
00:20:50.220 Well, you guys just defined.
00:20:52.420 You guys.
00:20:52.900 Well, hold on.
00:20:53.400 You just defined Brandon Carter as a high value guy, right?
00:20:57.140 Yeah.
00:20:57.860 Okay.
00:20:58.360 So that fits your definition of a high value guy.
00:21:00.800 But I will tell you right now that that would not fit the same definition that say Ben Shapiro
00:21:04.580 would have for a high value guy because he's not.
00:21:07.000 He doesn't have his babies on point.
00:21:08.360 He doesn't have this on point.
00:21:09.460 He's not.
00:21:09.780 He's not like he's not going to a church or synagogue every day.
00:21:13.460 Right.
00:21:13.920 So to him, he's not necessarily a high value guy.
00:21:17.240 I don't think it's what is.
00:21:18.560 Synagogue has to do with high value.
00:21:19.980 That's like that's the way that other people would define it.
00:21:23.920 Exactly.
00:21:24.440 Yeah.
00:21:24.640 But value is not subjective.
00:21:27.080 When we talk about value, we're talking about some sort of exchange in a market.
00:21:30.880 No, no.
00:21:31.120 Values.
00:21:31.500 What are people willing to do or give for a certain thing?
00:21:34.080 It's not.
00:21:34.520 It's not defined by this.
00:21:35.340 If one man is on an island with no value, no value.
00:21:38.120 No, this one over your head is the idea of being high value.
00:21:40.640 No, no.
00:21:40.860 There is no idea of being high value.
00:21:42.400 And if it was anybody else on the show, you guys would be roasted the fuck out of them
00:21:45.340 for saying that's your idea of being high value.
00:21:47.240 You would be roasted.
00:21:47.860 If any of the girls come here, because you do this to girls all the time.
00:21:49.640 She goes, right.
00:21:50.040 Like, I think I'm a 10.
00:21:51.220 It's like, why?
00:21:51.620 Because I'm so special and blah, blah, blah.
00:21:53.000 And they say, you're not special.
00:21:54.480 I just gave you Brandon Carter as an example.
00:21:56.800 I just gave you Brandon Carter.
00:21:57.720 We can use any single example you want.
00:22:01.300 You could be the 500-pound guy who just does eSports or can be like Brandon Carter or the
00:22:05.260 top G.
00:22:06.040 Any one of those guys.
00:22:07.660 The thing still applies.
00:22:09.320 All right.
00:22:09.580 Look, look, look.
00:22:10.100 Are you better off without the instructions?
00:22:14.220 Are you better off without the bet?
00:22:16.380 Everyone here has kind of a different thing.
00:22:19.020 Like me, I've defined it.
00:22:20.280 This is what I think makes you high value.
00:22:22.140 You might have a different take on it.
00:22:23.480 You might have a different take on it.
00:22:25.200 I've defined it.
00:22:26.060 And then I took my interpretation off.
00:22:27.460 What you said, if you want to get these things, and it makes sense to me, those things that
00:22:29.880 you listed.
00:22:30.520 But I'm seeing here that everyone here kind of has a different interpretation of it.
00:22:34.000 Wait, that's not true.
00:22:34.640 All four of us probably roughly agree on what makes you high value.
00:22:37.500 No, we don't.
00:22:38.200 The three of us probably do.
00:22:39.340 Ben Shapiro said, you said you have high value.
00:22:41.700 I don't think he is.
00:22:42.360 Having like some amount of like physical fitness.
00:22:44.940 We all agree that that's decently valuable, correct?
00:22:47.280 On some level, yeah.
00:22:48.280 Okay.
00:22:48.640 Having some amount of like social status.
00:22:50.900 So you've got the attention of a lot of people and you're influential.
00:22:53.120 We all agree on that, right?
00:22:54.480 Having some amount of financial success, right?
00:22:56.440 You have freedom to take of your family, retire if you want to, even at an early age.
00:22:59.420 We all agree with that, right?
00:23:00.560 Okay.
00:23:00.860 And having some level of success with your family and friends, right?
00:23:03.420 We all roughly agree on that, right?
00:23:04.840 Okay.
00:23:05.060 If you have those four things in check, you're probably a high value man.
00:23:07.700 No, it's more than that.
00:23:09.080 See, here's what he's saying.
00:23:10.640 I can add more to it because for me, in my head, what high value is is way more than that.
00:23:14.640 To you, that might be important.
00:23:15.840 But to me, that's not everything.
00:23:16.840 What's a key component missing from what I said?
00:23:18.960 Is a high value guy the guy that marries somebody from a foreign country and brings it over here so she can get citizenship?
00:23:24.620 Because that's your family dynamic.
00:23:26.680 My family dynamic is different than that.
00:23:28.280 Does that make me high value or low value?
00:23:30.060 Exactly.
00:23:30.940 It's going to depend on the person.
00:23:32.820 If I'm in a heterosexual marriage for 27 years and not in a polycule or some shit like that, it's like some people will say you're high value because you do that.
00:23:40.680 People will say, Rola, you can't be red pill because you're married or you can't be married because you're red pill.
00:23:45.600 Okay.
00:23:46.340 And suddenly I'm blue pill because I'm actually in a relationship where it's like close on her end, close on her end and close on my end.
00:23:53.620 But if I go and I talk to the top G or I talk to somebody who's like in an open relationship, is that guy high value because of that?
00:24:00.280 I'm not – this is not a judgment call.
00:24:02.140 I'm just saying that the definition is going to be different even if you have all those things.
00:24:05.840 Even each one of those things that you just mentioned, it's still subject to the context.
00:24:11.040 I agree with what you said, Destiny.
00:24:13.140 What I'm saying is that from within each one of those attributes, people are going to have something wildly different.
00:24:18.980 And you know what they're going to do?
00:24:20.060 They're going to use that for fucking blog fodder and topics to go and do quick hit videos on because they just want click-through rate for something like that.
00:24:28.860 What would we say about women?
00:24:30.460 If we say – what is a high value woman?
00:24:31.620 You tell me, man.
00:24:34.200 It's like, again, this is the definition.
00:24:36.160 This is like your wheelhouse.
00:24:37.800 This is your chance to steamroll.
00:24:40.380 I don't think you understand why fucking wheelhouse is.
00:24:43.060 Quite honestly, I don't think you do.
00:24:44.480 That's red-tail shit.
00:24:45.200 Isn't that what you do?
00:24:45.940 Your name is the rational male.
00:24:47.440 Yeah, a high value woman is.
00:24:49.320 I don't talk about high value women, dude.
00:24:51.600 In fact, if anything, I say there's no such thing as a quality woman because it's an ideal that guys have in their heads.
00:24:57.180 There's no such thing as a quality woman?
00:24:58.720 There's no such thing as a quality woman because guys have this – the quality woman is an ideal.
00:25:03.740 But we can talk about that when I get there.
00:25:06.080 But the thing is this is like when you're building a relationship or when you have this idea in your head, you want to know why guys get into so much fucking trouble in their marriages?
00:25:13.440 It's because of that ideal.
00:25:14.680 Because every guy who ever got married thought that she was the best fucking thing in the world.
00:25:19.260 Otherwise, he wouldn't have got married to her.
00:25:20.680 And then Tilly gets across the divorce table from her.
00:25:22.760 Now she's a fucking evil man.
00:25:24.180 You genuinely don't think that there's quality women in the world?
00:25:27.720 I don't think – I think that there are women who have different attributes than others that match very well with guys.
00:25:34.580 Sure, there are good cliques, of course.
00:25:36.920 But the thing is is like the idea of the quality woman is an ideal that guys have that gets them into a lot of trouble.
00:25:43.320 That's why.
00:25:43.760 They're in love with the ideal, not the actual person.
00:25:46.520 There are high-value men, but there aren't high-value women.
00:25:49.240 I was saying that there aren't high-value men and there aren't high-value women.
00:25:53.540 Okay?
00:25:53.860 It just depends on who we're talking about.
00:25:56.920 I don't know what the hell he's talking about, bro.
00:25:58.760 I don't even know what the fuck we're talking about.
00:26:01.560 I get what he's saying.
00:26:02.440 I feel like I need to do mushrooms before I come on this show.
00:26:04.480 That's what it feels like, the kind of conversation I'm having right now.
00:26:07.000 No, you know what it is, Destiny, is you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
00:26:10.300 That's why.
00:26:10.760 You guys don't hate me on any of this, and I'm surprised because you write about this all the time.
00:26:13.300 You wrote a whole book about it.
00:26:14.300 People, they really respect it.
00:26:15.540 I have no idea.
00:26:16.680 You guys might be confused because I'm the one that says there's no such thing as a high-value woman.
00:26:20.040 A woman gets her value directly from a man that she gets in a relationship with because all women have value.
00:26:27.200 But not all men have value.
00:26:28.380 All women don't have the same value.
00:26:31.060 Don't even think about it.
00:26:31.960 You know that's not true.
00:26:32.640 If I give you a woman with 100 bodies and a woman with zero bodies, I might give you one that's 500 pounds.
00:26:35.960 If I give you one with five kids.
00:26:36.920 Here's my thing.
00:26:37.560 Okay, here's my thing because I've said this before.
00:26:40.020 I know.
00:26:40.320 Men must be calm and women are.
00:26:41.700 I know.
00:26:41.900 You're about to do this speech.
00:26:42.540 But I'm just saying there are some women that are better than others.
00:26:44.820 I wasn't going to say that.
00:26:45.380 Of course.
00:26:45.840 Of course.
00:26:46.340 But all women have value to some level, but not all men have value because men have to build their shit up.
00:26:49.700 So what I'm saying is that a high-value woman gets her value from being with a high-value man.
00:26:54.900 I don't even think that's true.
00:26:56.020 All men have value to some extent.
00:26:57.420 The metric of success for a female is being able to get the best man that they can get.
00:27:01.940 And men can build and do things.
00:27:03.260 In places like China where you're limited to them and children, what do they do?
00:27:06.460 They opt for boys because they can go out and work and fucking get jobs and shit and do things around the fucking house or whatever.
00:27:11.960 Yeah, let's talk in 1980s.
00:27:14.840 The one-child policy hasn't been around since the mid-90s, dude.
00:27:19.020 Sure, but when it was, it was grossly favoring the birth of boys because you could do more with boys than you could with women.
00:27:23.780 Just the idea that like –
00:27:24.280 That was a perception.
00:27:25.880 And now they're facing the consequences of that.
00:27:29.160 Well, so is Japan.
00:27:30.360 That's a super homogenous –
00:27:31.160 I mean, that's one situation.
00:27:32.280 Okay, you're using China, but let's be honest here.
00:27:34.000 Why does it say women and children are off the boat first and not men?
00:27:37.480 Women have always had –
00:27:38.680 No, yeah, it's a chivalry thing, but why is that?
00:27:41.320 Because if you have 100 women and one guy, you can still continue society.
00:27:44.880 But if you have 100 men and one woman, we're fucked.
00:27:46.800 Women are the vulnerable sex and men are the disposable sex.
00:27:49.480 That's why.
00:27:50.200 Women have value inherently.
00:27:51.500 So what I'm saying is this.
00:27:53.240 Since every woman has value, for a woman to be high value, she's got to be able to lock down a high-value guy.
00:27:58.440 There's a reason why women take a man's last name and not the other way around.
00:28:01.120 Women, when they meet each other and hug, the first thing they ask typically is,
00:28:04.800 oh, do you have a man, do you have a relationship, tell me about your kids, et cetera.
00:28:08.340 When two men meet, what do they do?
00:28:09.580 Shake hands.
00:28:09.960 What do you do for a living?
00:28:11.000 Men are judged on creating value.
00:28:12.600 Women are judged on creating children typically.
00:28:14.900 Now, are there some women out there that chase success and make money, whatever?
00:28:17.900 Sure, but that is not the main goal of a female.
00:28:20.800 The main goal of a female from a biological sense is to procreate.
00:28:23.820 For a woman to procreate, she's got to be with a man.
00:28:25.700 Typically, they want the best guy.
00:28:26.740 For a man to procreate, he's got to create excess resources to be able to attract that woman.
00:28:30.660 So what we bring to the table is different.
00:28:33.220 I don't disagree with any of that, but there are high-value women, and there are probably
00:28:36.640 a high-value men.
00:28:37.080 I think a woman's only high-value, she could lock down a high-value guy.
00:28:39.340 That's my take on it.
00:28:39.900 Okay, well, at least you have a definition for it, at least.
00:28:41.340 Yeah, that's my definition on it, which, again, I see all of us here at the table have different
00:28:45.020 opinions, which is great, but that's my take on it, like with a high-value man, a high-value
00:28:48.560 woman.
00:28:48.920 No, no.
00:28:49.380 I mean, what you want me to say is a woman who has a low body count, who is a girl from the
00:28:55.120 Amish Dutch country in Pennsylvania who's never known another man, doesn't have any social
00:28:59.640 media.
00:29:00.000 I mean, there's a lot of ways we can go with this, but again, those are ideals, okay?
00:29:05.620 Yeah, but ideals are important because ideals are what we strive for.
00:29:08.980 An ideal is the whole point.
00:29:10.200 And those ideals are also what lead us astray, which is why this list is fucking useful.
00:29:16.480 That's why.
00:29:16.940 But ideals lead us astray.
00:29:17.780 Ideals lead you into a better life.
00:29:19.400 That's the whole point of an ideal.
00:29:20.820 It's the best version of yourself.
00:29:22.360 You're never going to be the best version of yourself, but the path to being the best version
00:29:25.680 of yourself.
00:29:25.940 Every guy who ever thought he found his fucking soulmate who ended up on the opposite side
00:29:29.760 of the fucking divorce table from her had a fucking ideal about that woman.
00:29:33.200 Sure, and every man that dies happily surrounded by his family who had a long-
00:29:36.840 Oh, yes, I know.
00:29:37.660 The pastoral scene with everybody, well, yeah, we're surrounded by his family.
00:29:41.540 You know what?
00:29:42.000 You know that like 90% of the population in the United States doesn't die like that.
00:29:47.260 They actually die in assisted living, and nobody knows about it until the next morning.
00:29:51.280 Okay, as opposed to you, who was tweeting about dying in his motorbike.
00:29:53.560 Okay, dude.
00:29:54.740 You said you wanted some fucking metal.
00:29:56.320 That is a fucking fiend.
00:29:59.720 Bad con fantasy.
00:30:01.400 Let me hit these shots real fast.
00:30:03.080 We got another show coming up.
00:30:04.260 Yeah, we got another show coming up.
00:30:05.340 I'm going to go through this real fast.
00:30:06.840 All right, so we got KidBlueRB goes,
00:30:09.960 Rolo Dodging and Defining a High-A-Value Man is like the LGBT dodging what a woman is.
00:30:13.860 Feels like I'm watching Matt Walsh's documentary right now.
00:30:15.580 You're the grandmaster of RP.
00:30:17.460 You, out of all people, should be able to define what a high-value man is.
00:30:19.180 He can't define high-value male, but he can define us as douche nozzles.
00:30:22.620 All right, let me move.
00:30:23.620 That's pretty funny, though.
00:30:24.720 Microsheed says, Myron, you're my guy, but you're giving Rolo an out.
00:30:28.340 Let him stand on the chair he's standing on so he can continue to hang himself with his food.
00:30:31.100 I know you really want to defend him because—
00:30:32.700 Here's the thing.
00:30:33.880 I know you base a lot of the show around that book, but, like, bro, he's making absolutely no sense.
00:30:38.000 Here's the thing.
00:30:39.100 Everyone is interpreting it different.
00:30:40.540 Obviously, I have my take on it.
00:30:41.760 Rolo has his take.
00:30:42.380 He doesn't have a take, bro.
00:30:43.620 We all have different takes on this.
00:30:44.660 He doesn't have a take.
00:30:45.620 That's still a take.
00:30:46.640 That's still a take, though.
00:30:47.380 That's still a take.
00:30:48.180 Okay, it is.
00:30:48.620 If this was some LGBT shit or some woman shit, we would be all laughing and roasting the fight.
00:30:52.520 Rightfully so.
00:30:53.360 Yes.
00:30:53.620 If a woman came out and you were like, What makes a woman high-value?
00:30:55.320 She's like, Well, if she's, like, if she's in her moment and if she's girl-bossing it up as hard as she can, that's a high-value woman.
00:31:01.880 Like, we would be roasting the fight.
00:31:02.700 That's the same argument he's making right now.
00:31:04.380 That's what I'm saying.
00:31:05.700 That's not the – it's fucking apples and oranges.
00:31:09.140 Guys, that's the problem with all this shit.
00:31:11.980 It's like you don't even fucking understand the nature of the tweet.
00:31:14.340 That's why.
00:31:14.740 Because I'm asking you a specific question.
00:31:16.160 You can't answer it.
00:31:16.880 Ask if it's advice.
00:31:17.560 It's not.
00:31:17.960 It's a joke.
00:31:18.440 It's not.
00:31:19.040 The minute – I don't know.
00:31:19.640 It's because the minute – okay, here's the thing.
00:31:21.900 Here's the high-value man.
00:31:22.780 Let me just – let me give you a high-value man.
00:31:25.560 A high-value man goes and fucks as many chicks as he possibly can, as many women as possible, and he fucking finds one little needle in the haystack, and he wipes up that girl because she happens to have no body count.
00:31:36.560 She's, like, 100% in love with him.
00:31:38.520 And, I mean, I can go and rattle off all these extremes, and you know who's going to disagree with me?
00:31:42.740 Every fucking guy in fucking daily life is going to disagree with me.
00:31:45.540 Say what you really think.
00:31:46.500 Don't say it ironically.
00:31:47.580 Say what you believe.
00:31:48.340 What I'm saying is what I believe here, okay?
00:31:52.420 This is the whole thing.
00:31:53.520 It's the point of the fucking tweet is that it's your fucking definition of what it is.
00:31:58.720 You can say Ben Shapiro.
00:32:00.560 You said Ben Shapiro's not a high-value man, so you must be comparing him to some standard in your head.
00:32:04.560 You said Bezos is not a high-value man.
00:32:06.280 You said Elon Musk is not a high-value man, so there's some standard in your head that you're comparing these guys to that they're not matching up to.
00:32:10.920 What is that standard?
00:32:11.780 Well, let's – all you would have to do is look at their personal lives so you would understand this.
00:32:16.220 Again, do I have time to go on to enumerate all that?
00:32:19.080 No, I don't.
00:32:19.720 But if you go and you look at what they're doing – like, oh, look at – okay.
00:32:22.660 Look, let's just use Elon Musk for a second here.
00:32:25.000 Yeah, let's use Ben Shapiro.
00:32:26.100 That was a good example.
00:32:26.840 Ben Shapiro.
00:32:27.740 We can look at Ben Shapiro.
00:32:28.820 How did he meet his wife?
00:32:29.620 Do you know how he met his wife?
00:32:31.060 It was arranged, right?
00:32:32.280 Was it an arranged or family friends?
00:32:33.480 No, basically what Ben Shapiro did was he wore this chick down over the course of, God knows, like three or four months, right?
00:32:39.180 He would meet the definition of stalking and being a creeper on the – if he wasn't Ben Shapiro, right, if he didn't have his background in three or four months.
00:32:48.260 What does that mean?
00:32:49.060 Basically, he –
00:32:49.820 What it means is he wore her down is what he did, and he's very proud of that fact too.
00:32:54.320 Okay, hold on.
00:32:54.880 Real quick.
00:32:55.140 You seem to have a problem with this.
00:32:55.960 When somebody asks you, what is X, and then you go, well, it's X, you're not really answering the question.
00:33:00.200 You've done this like three times.
00:33:01.100 When you say wore her down over three to four months, what does that mean?
00:33:04.500 Did they date?
00:33:05.260 Did he see her after school?
00:33:06.540 What that means is he kept – he was persistent.
00:33:09.140 He just kept wearing her down over, over the course of time.
00:33:13.360 Bro, that's ridiculous, man.
00:33:17.080 I will send you the fucking – I will send you the video.
00:33:20.780 I will send you the video.
00:33:22.380 Okay.
00:33:22.980 Jesus.
00:33:24.620 All right.
00:33:25.420 You guys should have viewer call-ins more often.
00:33:27.000 It's cute.
00:33:29.320 Okay.
00:33:29.720 And you should send your only fangirls to come at me to debate me in your proxy next time.
00:33:36.500 I mean, we're asking to debate you right now, and you can't even –
00:33:38.940 Except next time, please find the girl who actually puts lenses in her fucking glasses.
00:33:43.500 I'm a little weird.
00:33:44.340 You're so triggered, dude.
00:33:45.600 Are you okay?
00:33:46.460 Not very rational.
00:33:47.540 I think –
00:33:48.040 True.
00:33:48.900 His six book will be the emotional mail, I think.
00:33:51.340 Because I would consider Ben Shapiro a high-value guy.
00:33:53.540 I would.
00:33:54.100 No, everybody would, obviously.
00:33:55.720 But you disagree with the grandmaster?
00:33:57.960 The godfather, the great-great-granddaddy of the Red Bull.
00:34:01.060 Now you're just kidding me.
00:34:01.640 You don't think it's trolling, man.
00:34:02.520 The grandmaster of the Red Bull.
00:34:04.280 Myron, Myron, would you agree with his outlook on women?
00:34:10.920 With Ben Shapiro's outlook on women?
00:34:13.080 Yeah.
00:34:14.320 Ben Shapiro has literally come at you for exactly this.
00:34:18.580 For everything that these guys are talking about, he's come at you for exactly the same thing.
00:34:23.240 Yeah, so –
00:34:23.840 You guys did a full show on this.
00:34:25.040 No, no, for sure.
00:34:26.100 I disagree with him on as far as like the female stuff.
00:34:29.500 Like, oh, yeah, like having sexual experience is like bad for you, like you was trying to say.
00:34:34.560 But I think objectively speaking from the things that I listed as far as what I think makes a guy high value, he has all those things.
00:34:40.700 Now, he's limited on his knowledge of females for sure, right?
00:34:44.060 Because I think he only got with one girl and she comes from a certain – she comes from a family and – a certain family, I don't want to say because we're on YouTube.
00:34:51.860 But I think that set her up – yeah, cha-ching.
00:34:55.180 That set her up to be a girl that would be to his liking.
00:34:58.680 But the point I'm trying to make is I think Ben Shapiro is a high value guy, but I don't agree with his stances on women.
00:35:03.960 Same thing with Steven Crowder right now.
00:35:06.160 You guys were just talking about Crowder not too long ago.
00:35:08.600 Like right up until he got this divorce and all this stuff started coming out and Candace owns all that shit.
00:35:13.780 Everybody would have said he was a high value guy until now.
00:35:17.660 I think they're high value guys like Crowder and Ben Shapiro based on what they've accomplished in life.
00:35:21.940 But I don't agree with their standpoints on females.
00:35:25.480 Roller thinks that if he disagrees with them, then they can't be –
00:35:28.300 Like go back to fucking Twitch.
00:35:31.420 Just go back to Twitch and start playing games again.
00:35:34.100 You have no fucking point.
00:35:35.520 There's no point for either one of you to be on this fucking show, quite honestly.
00:35:39.000 Dumbledore has spoken.
00:35:40.040 Because here's the thing.
00:35:40.920 The traditional conservative beliefs don't necessarily work in today's sexual marketplace when it comes to dealing with women.
00:35:46.520 No, we agree.
00:35:47.080 But that's the reason he thinks Ben Shapiro is not high value because he disagreed with you on relationships.
00:35:51.860 What I'm saying is that that – well, yes.
00:35:54.020 I would actually agree with that simply because –
00:35:56.400 Okay, so there is a point.
00:35:58.060 Does Ben Shapiro, what his disagreement with you, does that then at least in some way diminish him as a high value man?
00:36:06.040 No.
00:36:06.680 We can disagree.
00:36:07.360 I disagree with that.
00:36:08.000 I'm asking Myron.
00:36:09.860 I mean because it's Myron who says he's a high value guy.
00:36:12.440 But like –
00:36:12.800 Describe that he disagrees with the traditional relationships.
00:36:15.600 If you're going to look at money, muscles, and game, okay?
00:36:18.020 In this case, it's the female aspect of what makes a high value guy, right?
00:36:23.220 If he disagrees with –
00:36:24.480 He just said that he's high value.
00:36:28.520 He said he's high value, but except for that one part where he's saying, you know what?
00:36:31.640 I disagree with his outlook when it comes to like women and how best to go about like forming relationships or whatever, the sex, whatever it is.
00:36:38.700 Yeah, I think he's a high value guy, but I disagree with his notion on how to deal with women.
00:36:41.480 Well, he's not fucking 50.
00:36:42.380 He's not fucking 50 guy or 50 women.
00:36:45.080 Yeah, no, he's not.
00:36:46.260 He's not.
00:36:46.880 He's against that, which I think is dated.
00:36:48.760 You know what I mean?
00:36:49.080 Again, like I said before, I think a guy could be traditionally conservative, but I'd not agree –
00:36:54.220 I don't necessarily have to agree with someone's viewpoints on how they deal with females for me to see them as high value because I think he accomplishes all the things that I mentioned on my list of what I think makes a guy high value.
00:37:02.740 And so what you're doing is you're saying that high value is these accomplishments, correct?
00:37:06.940 I'm interpreting it, yeah.
00:37:07.900 That's how I interpret it, which obviously everyone here at the panel has a different opinion, which is great.
00:37:11.880 I kind of agree.
00:37:11.900 Yeah, I agree with that.
00:37:12.420 Respect it, accomplish.
00:37:13.780 Which is great.
00:37:14.400 We don't really have a different opinion.
00:37:16.020 I feel like I definitely find that you're pretty aligned at the table.
00:37:18.800 Yeah, with us three, yeah.
00:37:19.820 But I mean, again, we're looking at things differently in general.
00:37:24.040 Okay.
00:37:24.520 Because you guys don't agree.
00:37:25.520 I agree with his tweet if you want to become high value in the quickest amount of time.
00:37:28.380 But you can't agree with it if he doesn't even define it.
00:37:30.580 You can't agree with him if you don't even know what his definition is.
00:37:33.880 Does he agree with it?
00:37:35.260 Defined by the way he defines it.
00:37:37.480 No, but he did, though.
00:37:39.000 He chose what high value means to him.
00:37:40.680 You're missing a point.
00:37:41.380 Thank you.
00:37:42.000 Thank you.
00:37:42.460 Fresh is the voice of reason.
00:37:44.080 I'm going to fall over your head because you guys are thinking about one-point vasectomy.
00:37:46.660 That's it.
00:37:47.660 We weren't even on vasectomy, but that's okay.
00:37:49.060 I think we come to the bottom of this.
00:37:50.700 It's common sense.
00:37:51.920 Myron agrees with the tweet that I'm talking about according to what his definition of a high value guy is, correct?
00:37:59.500 Yeah.
00:37:59.860 He knows his definition.
00:38:01.140 Yeah.
00:38:01.460 Exactly.
00:38:02.000 High value men are just people that have high value.
00:38:03.940 And I agree.
00:38:05.520 I got it.
00:38:05.780 All right.
00:38:06.020 I'll hit these other ones.
00:38:08.640 We got here.
00:38:09.500 Viking paradigm.
00:38:10.180 Ignoring the context.
00:38:11.160 Talking over.
00:38:11.900 Interrupting ad hominems.
00:38:13.060 Goalpost shifting.
00:38:14.120 Claiming it's advice when it's not.
00:38:15.340 It's easy to see who's trying to control their viewers and who's not.
00:38:17.740 And easy to see who lost the debate here.
00:38:19.100 Hey, you're a douche nozzle.
00:38:20.580 That's a douche nozzle thing to say.
00:38:22.480 Shout out to Viking, man.
00:38:23.280 That's not very rational of you.
00:38:25.080 Life, love, value.
00:38:26.360 Women aren't so simple.
00:38:27.300 Leave these RP dudes alone in their zone to stew.
00:38:30.000 Responsibility, intelligence, and discipline above all and are talismans of happiness for most people.
00:38:35.840 Enjoy life, grind, and don't glorify anyone.
00:38:37.360 I agree.
00:38:37.760 I agree.
00:38:38.300 100%.
00:38:38.660 And then what else we got here?
00:38:40.240 We got Mike Rashid.
00:38:41.260 I hope y'all don't let Rolo's weird immigration comment fly by.
00:38:46.680 Immigration comment?
00:38:47.780 Immigration?
00:38:48.320 I wish I got an MFI for discussion.
00:38:49.580 I wish you got an MFI for discussion.
00:38:50.600 He should come to the round table next week.
00:38:52.080 Immigration?
00:38:52.660 He's not Trump.
00:38:54.040 What am I talking about?
00:38:55.700 Immigration?
00:38:56.760 I don't know.
00:38:57.440 Okay.
00:38:57.860 All right.
00:38:58.060 What else?
00:38:58.400 Anything else?
00:38:59.700 Up to you guys.
00:39:00.840 Freshman.
00:39:02.480 That was it.
00:39:03.440 Oh, John?
00:39:04.020 John.
00:39:05.500 100%.
00:39:06.180 If I wanted to learn how to become a successful man, I'd go to Rolo before going to Sneeko
00:39:11.260 or Destiny.
00:39:12.140 Two grown-ass men who argue like teenage boys.
00:39:14.080 All right.
00:39:14.260 So a 55-year-old guy calling us douche nozzles to someone who's like three times younger,
00:39:17.860 that's a mature way to argue?
00:39:19.660 Damn.
00:39:21.260 If that's your idea, then okay.
00:39:23.100 Wow.
00:39:23.860 Shots fired.
00:39:24.960 That's just what happened on the show.
00:39:28.960 This is a great debate.
00:39:30.840 Do you have anything to say?
00:39:31.860 Like, you called in.
00:39:32.600 You're just staring.
00:39:33.400 Where can they find y'all?
00:39:35.100 I mean, they know where to find.
00:39:35.920 We plugged them out.
00:39:36.840 Yeah.
00:39:37.200 Go back to Twitch.
00:39:38.060 That's some advice for you.
00:39:39.240 That's some real advice for you guys.
00:39:40.780 You guys have no business fucking being in any of this shit right here.
00:39:43.260 You're not ready to have a fucking adult conversation.
00:39:45.460 Everything.
00:39:46.940 I've seen you chatting more than any other name in the chats.
00:39:50.140 I re-chat like whenever I stream, which is when I'm online, and you're in there more
00:39:53.180 than me.
00:39:53.680 True.
00:39:54.140 So calling us Twitch.
00:39:55.040 Actually, I'm banned on there.
00:39:56.160 I'm on Rumble.
00:39:57.100 But yeah.
00:39:57.960 I mean, if you want to pull the online card, then maybe get off the internet a little bit
00:40:00.900 and chatting all day.
00:40:04.700 Douche nozzle.
00:40:05.920 It's a lot harder when it's not just like 22-year-old women being ganged up on a podcast,
00:40:09.100 huh?
00:40:09.260 I'm sorry, Rello.
00:40:10.640 Yeah.
00:40:10.840 I'll be happy to fucking debate you, dude.
00:40:12.460 On any topic you want.
00:40:14.000 We are right now.
00:40:15.140 We just did.
00:40:16.260 No, you're talking about this one fucking tweet is what you're talking about.
00:40:19.000 Well, we were talking to the godfather of Red Pill.
00:40:20.780 Yeah, and speaking of fucking tweets, or excuse me, speaking of fucking super chats, was that
00:40:26.820 not you on whatever podcast the other night?
00:40:28.920 Yeah.
00:40:29.140 I like to support people I go on to have a podcast.
00:40:31.080 Right.
00:40:31.580 Thank you very much.
00:40:32.600 Thank you for at least admitting it.
00:40:33.760 Those are the only two super chats I've sent my life.
00:40:35.960 If I'm watching content and I want to know if it's Red Pill or not, I just feel like you're
00:40:38.600 watching a lot more than you think you are.
00:40:40.720 It's the only program I've ever been on.
00:40:42.720 It's insane.
00:40:43.880 You should get a tax credit for like watching me.
00:40:48.080 Do you have anything to say?
00:40:49.540 Why are you staring like that, man?
00:40:53.900 Okay.
00:40:54.840 I thought you'd have a wrap.
00:40:56.740 Let's see.
00:40:57.560 Here's the thing.
00:40:58.540 You guys, first of all, I've thrown out this.
00:41:00.880 I've thrown out this player in his car after the show.
00:41:02.400 First of all.
00:41:05.520 If you guys want to come to Vegas, come to Vegas.
00:41:08.020 We'll sit across the table from each other.
00:41:09.220 We're going to build up your fucking dog shit podcast.
00:41:11.340 What are you talking about?
00:41:11.820 Come to Miami.
00:41:13.200 I am coming to Miami.
00:41:14.720 Oh, cool.
00:41:15.460 I hope you're here next week.
00:41:16.800 You guys are so mean, man.
00:41:18.460 Bro, I didn't even say.
00:41:19.760 What do you mean we're mean?
00:41:20.600 He called us douche-nazzles.
00:41:21.760 Oh, it's fine.
00:41:22.280 He's the grand wizard of Red Pill, so I can't go say anything about that.
00:41:25.160 But I'm mean now because I'm calling him irrational for not having any arguments at all.
00:41:30.020 Bro, I know you want to defend him because the book is here on the table, but like, bro, that made no sense.
00:41:34.920 You guys have not read the book.
00:41:36.320 You guys don't know what the fuck you're reading.
00:41:37.040 I'm not reading your book, bro.
00:41:38.200 You can't even define what high-value man is.
00:41:40.000 Why would I read a book from a guy who can't have a clear definition?
00:41:42.360 I don't know if you read the book.
00:41:43.960 I'm not going to go there.
00:41:44.920 I'm fucking for the last half hour.
00:41:46.280 I've been trying to explain to you this shit to you.
00:41:48.800 You guys have no business being in this fucking sphere to begin with, first of all.
00:41:53.360 Second of all.
00:41:54.160 It's like forever until you're 65.
00:41:55.920 And the reason why is because you devolve into it.
00:41:58.660 You want to know why, like, when we talk.
00:42:00.500 Nobody debates anymore.
00:42:01.880 You know why?
00:42:02.440 Because it devolves into this middle school bullshit that both of you are.
00:42:05.320 But you guys are perfect.
00:42:06.000 You guys marry each other.
00:42:07.740 You can't call this childish when you were the one who started insulting.
00:42:10.360 I would just ask you a question, and then you said douche nozzle.
00:42:12.700 Now you're going to go play the maturity card?
00:42:16.080 Yeah.
00:42:16.560 Yeah, now I'm going to play the maturity card.
00:42:18.540 That was a middle school argument.
00:42:21.560 All right.
00:42:22.220 I mean, this is not going anywhere.
00:42:23.540 This was a great debate.
00:42:24.900 I like this.
00:42:25.580 Debation.
00:42:26.280 I mean, it's very obvious that everyone here has different takes, which is great.
00:42:29.560 I think that's good.
00:42:30.280 I'm not sure what it's taking still.
00:42:32.560 That's cool.
00:42:33.000 It's different than ours.
00:42:33.620 We know that.
00:42:34.100 You know what I mean?
00:42:34.580 So it is what it is.
00:42:35.760 Is there anything else, Chris?
00:42:37.840 Let's see.
00:42:38.780 Nope.
00:42:38.960 We're good.
00:42:39.860 All right.
00:42:40.080 All right.
00:42:40.920 Smash that like button.
00:42:42.080 That you want to say before we.
00:42:43.380 I'll be there next week.
00:42:45.580 All right.
00:42:46.020 Cool.
00:42:46.700 I think we'll have him on on the 15th.
00:42:48.740 Let's do a boxing match.
00:42:51.700 Just kidding.
00:42:52.280 All right.
00:42:53.220 Thanks for coming on, bro.
00:42:54.140 Thanks for a little bit.
00:42:55.240 Take it easy, man.
00:42:56.740 OK, so let's see here.
00:42:58.740 We're caught up, Chris, on your end.
00:42:59.860 That's a goofy godfather, bro.
00:43:01.140 I ain't gonna lie to you, bro.
00:43:02.000 I mean, like that that shit was good.
00:43:03.940 I know you really want to defend him.
00:43:05.740 And my right now, I know you're probably like that.
00:43:08.060 No, it's not that.
00:43:09.020 We all have different takes on it, which is fine.
00:43:11.920 OK, but he did get triggered immediately for someone who called himself the rational
00:43:15.380 man.
00:43:15.860 That was no rational arguments were made.
00:43:18.020 He was got emotional.
00:43:19.040 He got triggered immediately.
00:43:20.000 He started cursing.
00:43:20.960 That was not like an example of good masculinity.
00:43:24.220 What do you do?
00:43:25.840 I tried to engage and I asked him specific questions.
00:43:27.840 I mean, you also made insults multiple times.
00:43:31.060 Yeah, but it was after he started.
00:43:32.080 If he's going to start, of course, you're going to follow up, right?
00:43:33.820 Well, well, you attacked him prior show.
00:43:37.120 So just to be fair, you did.
00:43:39.340 What did I say?
00:43:39.900 Say that his comments were like asinine.
00:43:42.000 They didn't make sense.
00:43:42.700 That's not insulting.
00:43:43.540 That's going at his advice.
00:43:45.200 I'm talking about his argument.
00:43:46.840 And then you said the man I made the comments is.
00:43:49.500 I'm just saying, look, ultimately, we both did the same thing.
00:43:52.380 That's not true.
00:43:53.200 Think about it.
00:43:53.640 That's just not true.
00:43:54.180 Talking shit about somebody's arguments is a lot less serious.
00:43:56.660 I didn't call him a douche nozzle.
00:43:58.000 I didn't call him a douche nozzle.
00:43:59.360 Come on.
00:43:59.560 You got me.
00:43:59.960 It was kind of funny.
00:44:00.880 Douche nozzle.
00:44:07.420 That's it.
00:44:07.800 I didn't do your job.
00:44:08.360 I didn't do your job.