SNEAKO - May 11, 2023


SNEAKO & Destiny Debate the ＂Red Pill Godfather＂ on FnF

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high-value man definition Rashid debate
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Nicolas Kenn De Balinthazy
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Ben Shapiro Brandon Carter Myron Rolo Dodging Steven Crowder Jeff Bezos Sneeko Twitch Matt Walsh Elon Musk Destiny Chris John Derek Moneyberg Richard Reeves Kevin Samuels Rolo Tomasi Lauren Chen Mike Rasheed Dumbledore and 2 more
Training In Dubai With Mike Thurston SNEAKO Reacts To AMP's ＂GUESS THE RACIST＂

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On today's show, we have a special guest, Rolo Tomasi. He's a Twitch streamer, podcaster, and all-around douchebag. We talk about how to be a high-value man, how to get a vasectomy, and how to deal with the manosphere.

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00:00:00 The point of it was to get douche nozzles like yourself 1.00
00:00:03 to fucking have this conversation in the first place. 0.99
00:00:06 How old are you, bro? 1.00
00:00:08 Douche nozzles? 1.00
00:00:09 Yes. 1.00
00:00:10 You guys are fucking idiots. 1.00
00:00:12 Why do you guys come in here from fucking Twitch stream? 1.00
00:00:14 Like, how you guys are legitimate in all of this? 1.00
00:00:16 I don't know, because everything I've heard come out of you guys' mouth 1.00
00:00:18 is just fucking confident ignorance. 1.00
00:00:20 You call yourself the godfather of the red pill. 1.00
00:00:22 You call yourself the godfather of the manosphere, okay?
00:00:25 Other people have called me that.
00:00:27 Okay, great.
00:00:28 Do you understand?
00:00:29 Yes.
00:00:29 Okay, so as that.
00:00:31 Godfather or grandfather of the manosphere?
00:00:32 Which one is it?
00:00:32 Whatever it is, the old guy of the manosphere.
00:00:34 What is your definition of high-value man?
00:00:37 This is the number one talked-about topic on all of these shows,
00:00:40 so I want to get a clear definition from you.
00:00:42 What is it?
00:00:44 Let's go ahead and bring Rolo Tomasi on.
00:00:46 Shout out to Rolo.
00:00:46 Can I hear you okay?
00:00:48 What up, man?
00:00:49 Yeah, we got you.
00:00:49 Okay, okay.
00:00:50 So let me explain a few things here.
00:00:52 I wasn't able to do this the last time you guys were talking about this,
00:00:54 but so about, gosh, is it now two weeks ago?
00:00:59 I think it was Tuesday of last week you guys had Brandon Carter on.
00:01:02 Is that with Derek Moneyberg?
00:01:05 Or is that Monday?
00:01:06 Monday.
00:01:07 Monday.
00:01:07 Sorry, let me get my camera back up there.
00:01:10 So Monday, you guys were talking to Brandon Carter.
00:01:13 One of the things that Brandon was talking about was you got to love money.
00:01:17 You got to be on top of your game.
00:01:18 And I love Brandon Carter, by the way.
00:01:20 I think he should be a stand-up comedian.
00:01:23 I mean, the guy is that funny.
00:01:25 He's a great guy, right?
00:01:26 But when you guys are on that show and you're talking to him and he's talking about how he doesn't go to – well, he doesn't go to Publix,
00:01:33 doesn't go grocery shopping for himself.
00:01:35 He doesn't go do his own laundry.
00:01:37 He doesn't have a car.
00:01:38 I mean, it's Brickle White.
00:01:39 But he doesn't have, like, some basic stuff because his philosophy in life is this, is that anything that takes him away from his grind,
00:01:48 anything that takes him away from anything that would distract him or that would be financially or mathematically not a pragmatic choice for him to make
00:01:58 as far as, like, if he's spending time going grocery shopping or going and, you know, getting food for himself or whatever else.
00:02:05 I'm sure he's, like, into meal prep and everything else.
00:02:06 But pretty much everything in his life is outsourced because anything that he would be spending that time himself to go do,
00:02:16 he could be losing money doing that at that time.
00:02:19 So when I was listening to this and I was thinking about this myself because I was actually at the same time,
00:02:25 I'm, like, you know, helping a friend move and all this.
00:02:27 And I'm thinking about this.
00:02:28 I'm going, you know what?
00:02:29 If you want to be a high-value man, if you want to get to that apex level as fast as you can,
00:02:34 that's how is that not the best way to go about it, okay?
00:02:39 So the point of that whole tweet, which was basically a throwaway tweet that everyone started, like, snowballing into something else.
00:02:46 I've got Ben Shapiro coming at me.
00:02:48 I got Matt Walsh coming at me.
00:02:50 I got Lauren Chen coming at me. 1.00
00:02:51 I got all these people off of Daily Wire because it was just easy, low-hanging fruit for these guys because they think that that's what the fucking manosphere is all about. 0.98
00:02:59 And it's not, okay? 0.99
00:03:00 That was not fucking advice. 0.95
00:03:02 Everything that is on Twitter is not advice, okay? 0.98
00:03:05 Was that a joke?
00:03:06 No.
00:03:06 It was not to say a joke, but it's, like, let's just say it's a hypothetical, okay?
00:03:10 What? 0.99
00:03:11 Now, let's just fuck up for just fucking five seconds, okay? 1.00
00:03:15 There's no fucking joke here because everything that's come out of both of you guys' mouth has been nothing but distraction and misdirection because it's easy fucking clicks for you. 0.99
00:03:24 So, here's the whole thing. 0.99
00:03:26 When I'm talking about get a vasectomy or don't be concerned with –
00:03:31 When he's mad, his glasses get uneven on his nose, you see.
00:03:34 I'm really mad about this, bro.
00:03:36 Shall we keep going?
00:03:38 Are we just going to have jokes thrown in here?
00:03:40 Is that what I get to – is that what I get to do?
00:03:44 Okay, so here's the deal.
00:03:46 When I'm talking about this, when I'm throwing this out there, why wouldn't you do that?
00:03:50 So, would you not have been more successful, Sneeko, had you not had to go through certain things?
00:03:55 If you had a kid right now, you would be playing the game with a handicap. 1.00
00:04:00 You would be playing the game with your fucking hands tied behind your back. 1.00
00:04:03 Okay, so we're all – 0.99
00:04:04 There are guys right now who I have a lot of respect for and I'm sure you have a lot of respect for as well who all have kids, but you know what they try to do?
00:04:13 Try to keep it under wraps. 0.99
00:04:14 Okay, so nobody knows about the fucking kids, okay? 0.99
00:04:17 That's what is advice. 0.99
00:04:18 So, here's – okay, first off, this is not fucking advice. 0.88
00:04:21 Everything that is on my show or is on Twitter is not automatically advice. 0.91
00:04:26 But here's the thing.
00:04:27 I know what you're going to say because here's the deal.
00:04:29 When I was on whatever podcast I was telling this, I was saying exactly the same thing here is that everything that comes out of somebody's mouth on Instagram or on Twitter or on YouTube, there's no way you can't go on there without somebody going,
00:04:42 this is what these guys are saying to do because if you have this set automatically that if it comes out of your mouth, it's automatically advice, it can't just be data.
00:04:51 It can't just be statistics.
00:04:53 It can't be – nothing can be just delivered sort of like here's some data for you to look at, okay?
00:04:58 Nothing can be set – nothing can be given to you without somebody going, well, the reason why you're telling me this is because you're telling me that this is the best way to live my life, okay?
00:05:07 So when I'm watching Brendan Carter and I'm watching all this going on and I'm looking at like guys that I know and guys that you know as well and when these are the guys who are like saying, you know, be on your game, do this, do that.
00:05:20 They're the ones that are giving this advice.
00:05:22 All I'm doing is saying, hey, look, maybe you should not focus on family.
00:05:26 Maybe you should not get married.
00:05:27 I mean that's – I don't know why that's big.
00:05:28 But it's maybe advice?
00:05:30 I'm not saying it's – I'm not saying it's advice. 0.74
00:05:32 What I'm saying is that it's over the fucking top that everybody wants to take it out of context, which is exactly what you guys have been doing.
00:05:41 Can you tell me what that tweet was if it wasn't advice? 0.93
00:05:44 It's not advice.
00:05:45 What it is is it's – okay, it's saying that this is the most extreme way to do things, okay?
00:05:49 Here's the quickest path to – if I told you this, look.
00:05:55 If I said the quickest way for you to make a million dollars –
00:05:59 That sounds like advice.
00:06:00 If I tell you to go steal it from the bank or go to steal it, does that mean I'm telling you to go steal it? 1.00
00:06:06 If I tell you to go fucking jump off a cliff, are you going to go jump off a cliff? 0.99
00:06:09 By the way, here's the other thing. 1.00
00:06:11 I'm also responding to Dr. Richard Reeves in this as well.
00:06:15 Okay.
00:06:15 There's a lot of context about it, sure.
00:06:17 But all the rest of the list, you're equating vasectomy to lifting, game, play to your strength, resisting up on easing your focus.
00:06:25 The rest of it sounds like general advice.
00:06:27 Okay.
00:06:27 Well, let's say – so let me ask you.
00:06:29 So is it the vasectomy part that's throwing you off?
00:06:32 Genuine good advice, right?
00:06:33 The rest of it is –
00:06:34 So is it the vasectomy part?
00:06:37 Yeah.
00:06:38 Do you agree with pretty much everything else except for the vasectomy part?
00:06:42 The first three is weird because then I don't even know what the red pill idea of a high-value man is.
00:06:46 Is it just being rich?
00:06:47 Like what's the point of having all this money and not having a family?
00:06:51 Why be that rich?
00:06:51 The guy who's always grinding.
00:06:52 Whoa, Brandon Carter doesn't have to do his laundry. 0.99
00:06:55 Sick.
00:06:55 What else are you going to do with your life? 0.99
00:06:56 Right.
00:06:57 Right.
00:06:58 Maybe this is actually meant so that you'll get it. 0.99
00:07:00 You'll have a freaking epiphany about how – all the shit that you have to sacrifice to get to that in the first place. 0.98
00:07:07 What are you willing to sacrifice? 0.99
00:07:09 Are you willing to – are you willing to live the kind of life that, say, like a Brandon Carter is where you're going to outsource your entire life?
00:07:14 Or are you going to actually have – is that something that's a priority for you?
00:07:20 Because I will tell you right now that if you do – if you follow this kind – if you were to actually follow this list right here, that is the fastest way for you to get to a point where you are more high-value.
00:07:31 Right?
00:07:31 But here's the thing.
00:07:32 So when I say that, people go, well, that's not what a high-value man is.
00:07:35 A high-value man is what I define it as, which is he's got to have a good, loving, devoted wife.
00:07:41 He's got to have three or four kids or ten kids depending on whatever culture you're talking about.
00:07:45 All of this stuff that makes up whatever that person who happens to have that is, then that's suddenly the definition of what a high-value man is.
00:07:54 So what I'm saying – I'm saying this is the best way to become a high-value man.
00:07:57 I'm not saying this is the only way to become a high-value man.
00:08:00 I'm just saying that this is the fastest way to go and do something like that.
00:08:03 You've been talking a lot for five minutes.
00:08:04 What is your definition of a high-value man?
00:08:07 It doesn't matter.
00:08:08 That's not what I was talking about in this.
00:08:10 It doesn't matter.
00:08:10 That's not what you're talking about.
00:08:11 That's what the first part of the tweet is, how to become a high-value man.
00:08:13 And the fastest way to become a high-value man is to recognize the fact that you've got sacrifices to make.
00:08:22 You're almost like a grandpa telling stories from Vietnam.
00:08:25 Like, just say, what is a high-value man?
00:08:26 It's the first part of the tweet.
00:08:27 What does that mean?
00:08:27 You tell me what a high-value man is.
00:08:29 Because here's the thing.
00:08:30 It doesn't matter what I'm going to say is a high-value man. 1.00
00:08:33 Because it's your fucking tweet. 1.00
00:08:37 It doesn't matter what I say is a fucking high-value man because everybody takes this. 1.00
00:08:41 The point of the fucking tweet is that everybody is going to take this and then insert their own definition of what a fucking high-value man is. 0.99
00:08:49 What if a high-value man is having 12 kids when you're 16? 0.99
00:08:53 Then your tweet doesn't work, does it?
00:08:54 What if your definition of a high-value man is getting into a trade and having five kids by the time you're 22?
00:08:59 Then it also is being an e-sports professional.
00:09:02 You're absolutely making my point for me right here, okay?
00:09:05 This is what I'm saying.
00:09:06 My point is, is a high-value man.
00:09:08 You gave a list of eight things.
00:09:10 Do these eight things to become a high-value man.
00:09:12 Do one through eight to become A.
00:09:14 And you're not defining what A is.
00:09:15 The fastest way to becoming a high-value man is these two ways.
00:09:19 What is that?
00:09:20 So here's the thing.
00:09:21 So if we're talking about family creation, you already talked.
00:09:24 Okay, so you want to go one by one.
00:09:26 You want to go one by one?
00:09:28 No, I want to go before one by one.
00:09:30 What is a high-value man?
00:09:31 We can't have an argument if I don't even know what you're definition of. 0.97
00:09:33 The point is the very fact that you're even asking this in the first place is the actual point of the fucking tweet, okay? 0.98
00:09:40 So if you're going to be a high-value man with the fucking hands tied behind your back, then what does that mean to you? 0.99
00:09:47 That's the point. 1.00
00:09:48 This whole discussion is the point of the fucking tweet. 0.99
00:09:51 One of the tweets was, you've got some conception of a high-value man. 0.98
00:09:54 Here are eight points that you think you need to do to get to it. 1.00
00:09:56 And now you're getting blown the fuck up on the vasectomy thing, which you probably realize is fucking retarded. 1.00
00:09:59 But you're too old and stubborn to walk back from it. 1.00
00:10:01 That's the point of this conversation. 0.99
00:10:02 I'm not too stubborn to fucking walk back from it because the point of it was to get douche nozzles like yourself to fucking have this conversation in the first place. 0.98
00:10:10 How old are you, bro? 0.99
00:10:12 Douche nozzles? 1.00
00:10:13 Yes. 1.00
00:10:14 You guys are fucking idiots. 1.00
00:10:15 Why do you guys come in here from fucking Twitch stream? 1.00
00:10:18 Like how you guys are legitimate in all of this? 1.00
00:10:20 I don't know because everything I've heard come out of you guys' mouth is just fucking confident ignorance. 0.99
00:10:24 No, no, no, no, no, Myron, Myron. 0.99
00:10:26 Okay, I'm not asking you like in terms of the debate.
00:10:29 You call yourself the godfather of the red pill.
00:10:31 You call yourself the godfather of the manosphere, okay?
00:10:33 Other people have called me that.
00:10:35 Okay, great.
00:10:36 Do you understand?
00:10:38 Okay, so as that.
00:10:39 The godfather or grandfather of the manosphere?
00:10:40 Which one is it?
00:10:41 Whatever it is, the old guy of the manosphere.
00:10:43 What is your definition of high-value man?
00:10:45 This is the number one talked-about topic on all of these shows.
00:10:48 So I want to get a clear definition from you.
00:10:50 What is it?
00:10:52 You tell – again, it depends on the person.
00:10:55 It depends on the culture.
00:10:56 It depends on the – so here's the thing.
00:10:58 Let me tell you.
00:10:58 Maybe I can explain this to you, Sneeko, because at least you got your ears open here. 0.98
00:11:02 The thing is is that when we're talking about what's the top G, what's a high-value guy, 0.99
00:11:07 you probably haven't heard this because you don't read my stuff and you don't watch my shit. 0.96
00:11:11 But I've also said this is like the red pill has to be for everybody or it's for nobody. 0.99
00:11:16 So if we're looking at a guy who's draped across a Lamborghini and he's got hot chicks 0.98
00:11:20 with him and we say that's what I'm aspiring to but I'll never make that because I live 0.99
00:11:24 in a fucking fishing village on the coast of Chile, right? 0.95
00:11:27 That means I can never be – I can never match that high apex of a high value car. 0.99
00:11:33 The guy in the car?
00:11:34 But the guy who happens to live in those villages or happens to be in a different culture
00:11:38 or in a different country or whatever else, he can still benefit from that because however
00:11:42 he's defining himself as a high-value man in his fishing village, maybe that's what
00:11:46 he – that's what he can aspire to.
00:11:48 It has nothing to do with Chile in the village in the car.
00:11:51 See, here's the thing is you guys want me to say, okay, a high-value man makes $100,000
00:11:57 a year. 0.99
00:11:57 He's fucked 50 chicks. 1.00
00:11:58 He's got like – that's the thing. 0.99
00:12:00 That's not what I want you to say.
00:12:00 I disagree with that.
00:12:02 I'm asking you because I come on this all the time.
00:12:03 What I'm saying is the point of the tweet is so you'll ask that question.
00:12:08 I'm past the tweet.
00:12:09 I'm past that.
00:12:10 Look, I'm asking as somebody who's really interested in the red pill.
00:12:13 I listen to a lot of this content.
00:12:14 I want to know what your definition is because if you have a definition that's completely
00:12:18 off of what I think it is, then I guess I'm not red pill.
00:12:21 Well, here's what – okay, so here's what I think guys ought to do.
00:12:25 Would you like me to give you some prescriptions?
00:12:26 Is that what we're trying for here?
00:12:27 No, I want to know your opinion of a high-value man.
00:12:30 What is it?
00:12:30 I think a high-value man is whatever is contextually makes that guy a high-value guy in whatever
00:12:36 culture that he happens to be in.
00:12:37 If that's money, that's money.
00:12:39 Right now, that's what we tend to focus on right now.
00:12:41 If it's – but if I'm going to say that –
00:12:44 A high-value man is a guy that has the things that makes him a high-value man.
00:12:46 That's big.
00:12:47 The things that make you a high-value man.
00:12:49 Okay, what is that?
00:12:50 We're trying to –
00:12:52 We're trying to define it.
00:12:54 We're trying to define it.
00:12:55 Because here's the thing.
00:12:55 When I read the tweet, I interpreted it right – higher – like he's listing things
00:13:00 that if you follow these things, right, and you actually follow them, you're probably 0.97
00:13:03 not going to become a fuck-up, right?
00:13:05 And to be a high-value guy, I would say it's a couple combination of things.
00:13:07 It's obviously having your money on point, having social proof and status, having respect
00:13:10 from your peers, having a network of other high-value men, right, which I agree with
00:13:14 Kevin Samuels on that, being fit to a degree.
00:13:16 If you have all these things in place, you'll be considered a high-value man by most people
00:13:19 in most societies, right, if you have these things in place. 0.99
00:13:21 Now, with that said, to get there, right, you obviously have to focus and get your shit 0.78
00:13:25 together and make sure that you focus on getting there. 0.87
00:13:27 What he's saying is all these – the list of things that he mentioned, if you follow 0.64
00:13:32 them, it's going to mitigate your risk of becoming a fuck-up and not getting to that 0.66
00:13:36 point as quickly as possible. 0.89
00:13:37 And I think that's so important is that this tweet kind of gets taken out of context.
00:13:40 He's saying the quickest way to become a high-value man, avoid and do these things because
00:13:45 you're limiting distractions.
00:13:46 And he's using Brandon Carter as an example where he's in a monogamous relationship with a
00:13:49 girl.
00:13:49 He outsourced a lot of his things.
00:13:50 Why?
00:13:51 So he's able to focus on making more money.
00:13:53 He's getting rid of obstacles.
00:13:54 And I think that tweet demonstrates that.
00:13:55 He's getting rid of obstacles so you can become a high-value man in the quickest possible
00:13:59 way.
00:13:59 Now, I know the most controversial one is the vasectomy, though there's other ways to
00:14:04 get the same, I guess, effect from vasectomy.
00:14:06 Let's say you use a condom.
00:14:07 Let's say you pull out whatever it may be.
00:14:09 He's saying, okay, if you get the vasectomy, then we know for a fact you're not going to
00:14:13 have children.
00:14:14 It's really no different than having a condom or pulling out or whatever it may be.
00:14:16 The point is to not get a girl pregnant. 0.98
00:14:18 How you want to get there is up to you, whether it's through a vasectomy,
00:14:20 using condoms, whatever, but he's making it retard-proof. 1.00
00:14:23 Hey, vasectomy, because I know even if you are the dumbest guy ever, you can't fuck this 1.00
00:14:27 up. 1.00
00:14:27 I don't think a retarded guy could be a high-value guy. 1.00
00:14:30 No, when I say retarded, I mean as in stupid. 1.00
00:14:32 But what I'm saying is that the point I'm trying to make is this list is the foolproof way if 0.99
00:14:38 everything is followed for you to get your status up as quickly as possible in your
00:14:41 20s.
00:14:42 That's not what the list is, though, because what you just said was advice, and he said it's
00:14:45 clearly not advice.
00:14:45 So you're interpreting it a different way.
00:14:47 He said he's joking, and he's trying to provoke people.
00:14:48 Yeah, he was just joking.
00:14:48 Like, half of it was just for jokes.
00:14:50 But I'm telling you, I started out telling you guys how I interpreted that.
00:14:53 Yeah.
00:14:53 Right?
00:14:53 He said it was wrong.
00:14:55 Right.
00:14:56 He said it was wrong.
00:14:56 So that people can interpret it how they want.
00:14:58 Exactly.
00:14:59 It was a great discussion.
00:15:00 That's the point.
00:15:00 That's what he said.
00:15:01 He asked a question earlier.
00:15:03 So you asked him a question.
00:15:04 What is high value?
00:15:05 You answered it.
00:15:06 It's whatever you determined that to be. 1.00
00:15:07 No, that's bullshit. 0.99
00:15:08 None of you guys believe that. 1.00
00:15:09 I do.
00:15:09 If some guy comes on this show and he weighs 350 pounds, and he says, I'm diamond one in
00:15:13 League of Legends.
00:15:13 That's what I want to do with my life.
00:15:14 Would you go, well, that's what you really want.
00:15:16 You're high value.
00:15:16 You wouldn't say that.
00:15:17 No.
00:15:18 But once again, it starts in the mind.
00:15:20 You're going to say, for example, oh, that's not true.
00:15:22 Which I agree is not true.
00:15:23 But ultimately, you as a man decide what's high value for you.
00:15:26 No, you don't.
00:15:27 Yes, you do.
00:15:27 Value is probably something that's determined by society.
00:15:30 High value.
00:15:31 Value means that you have a worth to other people.
00:15:33 You're just talking about being comfortable.
00:15:35 I agree.
00:15:36 But the tweet.
00:15:37 Don't say you agree.
00:15:38 I just said the total opposite.
00:15:39 No, no, no.
00:15:39 I agree.
00:15:40 And that point where, for example, people determine you as high value.
00:15:43 However, the tweet saying high value could mean in your sense, whatever that means to
00:15:47 you.
00:15:47 No, it doesn't.
00:15:48 What?
00:15:48 That's what he's saying.
00:15:49 No, he's not.
00:15:49 He doesn't know because he doesn't have a good definition because he doesn't.
00:15:52 He says anything.
00:15:52 He's going to get pissed.
00:15:53 You sound like the girls who believe they're a 10 because they describe themselves as a 10 in the
00:15:56 mirror.
00:15:57 If you brought in some point and he's like, I'm high value because I'm a manager at my
00:16:00 McDonald's, you probably wouldn't agree that he's high value.
00:16:02 Is that when he says high value, you're going to determine that as a man.
00:16:06 What does that mean for you?
00:16:07 Success is a part of it.
00:16:08 Yes.
00:16:08 But there's success could be owning a farm or having a business.
00:16:11 It doesn't matter.
00:16:12 He's saying to get to that point, you need focus.
00:16:14 Ultimately, that's that's what he's saying.
00:16:15 Just just be focused.
00:16:17 That's it.
00:16:17 I mean, look, we make fun of the girls all the time for saying that they're 10 out of 10s
00:16:20 all the time because they say it in their head.
00:16:22 I believe I'm a 10 out of 10. 0.58
00:16:23 No, that's that's ridiculous because society determines how attractive you are.
00:16:27 Society determines how valuable you are.
00:16:29 You can't apply that a lot. 0.92
00:16:30 You can't make fun of the girl, the ugly fat whale who thinks she's a 10 girl boss queen, 1.00
00:16:34 and then also say a high value man can believe it in his head.
00:16:38 Well, I gave you guys a 10 when I you have a good definition.
00:16:41 You talked about being relatively fit, having a network of people that are very social.
00:16:45 Yeah, of course.
00:16:46 I do.
00:16:47 Because here's the thing for me.
00:16:48 I will define it because that will allow you guys to see where I'm coming from when I'm
00:16:51 interpreting that we know where you're coming from.
00:16:53 We have the tweet out there.
00:16:53 He doesn't know where he's coming from.
00:16:55 He seems a little lost right now.
00:16:56 So we're trying to figure out, you know, what exactly he means.
00:16:58 But I think, again, the tweet, I think that's the important part of the tweet is that it allows
00:17:01 people to interpret it how they want, which is why we're talking about it right now.
00:17:05 The tweet.
00:17:05 Yeah.
00:17:05 Why would you?
00:17:07 I'm giving advice to people.
00:17:08 I don't want them to interpret it how they want. 0.98
00:17:10 Otherwise, what the fuck is the point of my message? 0.95
00:17:12 If I'm not giving advice to people, that's the whole point of this. 0.98
00:17:17 Do you want it? 0.98
00:17:18 It's impossible to put anything out there without people interpreting it as follow these fucking 0.99
00:17:26 steps. 0.99
00:17:27 Here's your 12 rules for life.
00:17:28 And you're going to live a happy.
00:17:30 That's literally what your tweet was.
00:17:32 Do these things.
00:17:33 What is the wording of the tweet?
00:17:34 Go back to the tweet itself.
00:17:36 So here's so in that wording, what am I?
00:17:39 What's the last part of that?
00:17:40 What's the last one?
00:17:41 Resist easing up on your focus.
00:17:42 Whatever is like, would you want me to insert what you ought to be doing?
00:17:46 You ought to be coding.
00:17:47 Is that what I should say?
00:17:48 You ought to be becoming a professional athlete. 1.00
00:17:51 I don't know what your fucking strengths are. 1.00
00:17:53 You can simplify. 1.00
00:17:54 I say work hard again.
00:17:55 If I so here's the thing.
00:17:56 If I say here's if I say, you know what? 0.98
00:17:58 You ought to be an NBA player and it doesn't matter if that you're five, nine fucking stay 0.96
00:18:01 in your focus and you're going to be the best NBA player you can possibly be. 0.94
00:18:04 That'd be terrible advice. 0.99
00:18:05 That'd be absolutely terrible advice because this is a fucking advice. 0.99
00:18:08 That's why. 0.99
00:18:09 Okay. 0.99
00:18:10 This is a list that is meant to get so you get an idea of what the fuck it is that you're 0.99
00:18:15 going to do so that you can become that high value man. 0.98
00:18:17 Protect yourself.
00:18:18 Don't get married.
00:18:19 Avoid family creation.
00:18:21 That's second. 1.00
00:18:21 Again, this is over the top shit. 0.99
00:18:23 Anybody who knows anything about my material. 1.00
00:18:25 When I throw this out there, they know this is over the top shit. 1.00
00:18:28 What else on that fucking fire for like for like douche nozzles? 1.00
00:18:32 I don't want to be a douche nozzle, but what else? 0.99
00:18:35 Besides number three, what else here is over the top? 0.56
00:18:37 Besides vasectomy.
00:18:38 I'll live consistently.
00:18:39 Okay.
00:18:40 Well, what if like, there's no way you agree with that saying, hold on for rollo.
00:18:47 It might be okay.
00:18:47 To be fair.
00:18:48 To be fair.
00:18:49 Guys.
00:18:49 See, here's the thing, but you're missing.
00:18:51 Like you're, are you not hearing anything he's saying?
00:18:53 Like you need to blindly agree with him?
00:18:55 Cause nothing he's saying is making any sense, bro. 0.99
00:18:57 It's not making any sense to you because you don't understand the fucking concept of 0.99
00:19:00 the tweet. 0.99
00:19:00 That's why.
00:19:01 Did you understand what I was saying about Brandon Carter?
00:19:07 Yeah.
00:19:07 He doesn't do his laundry.
00:19:09 No, but he's taken everything to this extreme level.
00:19:12 Like to a lot of guys.
00:19:13 Brandon.
00:19:14 Okay.
00:19:14 Would you agree with me that Brandon Carter is a high value guy?
00:19:17 Sure.
00:19:18 Okay.
00:19:19 You know who wouldn't Ben Shapiro?
00:19:20 You know who wouldn't a lot of other people because they think that they're living out
00:19:24 their own high value ideal.
00:19:26 Do you understand that?
00:19:28 Context.
00:19:29 Like the 350 pound e-sports player is living out his ideal of a high value man.
00:19:33 Yeah. 0.99
00:19:34 Whether or not that's working for him is, is irrelevant to the fucking tweet. 0.98
00:19:37 When I say, okay, when I'm talking about Brandon Carter, you say, you understand that he's 0.98
00:19:41 taking it to like this extreme level.
00:19:43 How is Ben Shapiro not a high value guy?
00:19:45 I'm telling you, like his, for Brandon, what do you think Brandon Carter's definition of
00:19:49 a high value man is?
00:19:50 Probably the same as mine.
00:19:51 Which is?
00:19:52 Determined by society.
00:19:53 If you have respect from your community, then you are a high value person.
00:19:56 If people respect you.
00:19:57 So, so being, being pro-social and having people like you and you don't agree with him because
00:20:04 he's daily wire.
00:20:04 Ben Shapiro is definitely a high value man.
00:20:06 Okay.
00:20:06 But, okay.
00:20:08 So, okay.
00:20:09 So let's just say for sake, let's say he does.
00:20:11 He said so.
00:20:12 You don't think Ben Shapiro is a high value man.
00:20:14 Let's take for, do I think he is?
00:20:16 I don't think he's a high value man.
00:20:17 What is his definition?
00:20:19 He owns his own business.
00:20:20 It's like one of the most successful alt media platforms in the world.
00:20:22 He's married and young sweet.
00:20:23 Right, right, right.
00:20:25 You know who else is not a high value guy?
00:20:26 Elon Musk.
00:20:27 Let's see.
00:20:27 Who else?
00:20:28 Jeff Bezos.
00:20:29 All you got to do is just go.
00:20:31 All you have to do is look at the decisions they've made in their personal lives.
00:20:34 Okay.
00:20:34 How are we going to define that?
00:20:35 If I'm going to define that.
00:20:37 You're the only one here who hasn't defined it. 0.99
00:20:39 Because I'm not the one defining it for fucking Jeff Bezos. 1.00
00:20:42 I'm not the one defining it for fucking. 1.00
00:20:45 What's his name? 0.99
00:20:46 I think she's a 10 as long as that's how she defines beauty to herself. 1.00
00:20:50 Well, you guys just defined.
00:20:52 You guys.
00:20:52 Well, hold on.
00:20:53 You just defined Brandon Carter as a high value guy, right?
00:20:57 Yeah.
00:20:57 Okay.
00:20:58 So that fits your definition of a high value guy.
00:21:00 But I will tell you right now that that would not fit the same definition that say Ben Shapiro
00:21:04 would have for a high value guy because he's not.
00:21:07 He doesn't have his babies on point.
00:21:08 He doesn't have this on point.
00:21:09 He's not.
00:21:09 He's not like he's not going to a church or synagogue every day.
00:21:13 Right.
00:21:13 So to him, he's not necessarily a high value guy.
00:21:17 I don't think it's what is.
00:21:18 Synagogue has to do with high value. 1.00
00:21:19 That's like that's the way that other people would define it.
00:21:23 Exactly.
00:21:24 Yeah.
00:21:24 But value is not subjective.
00:21:27 When we talk about value, we're talking about some sort of exchange in a market.
00:21:30 No, no.
00:21:31 Values.
00:21:31 What are people willing to do or give for a certain thing?
00:21:34 It's not.
00:21:34 It's not defined by this.
00:21:35 If one man is on an island with no value, no value.
00:21:38 No, this one over your head is the idea of being high value.
00:21:40 No, no.
00:21:40 There is no idea of being high value. 0.98
00:21:42 And if it was anybody else on the show, you guys would be roasted the fuck out of them
00:21:45 for saying that's your idea of being high value. 0.99
00:21:47 You would be roasted.
00:21:47 If any of the girls come here, because you do this to girls all the time. 0.94
00:21:49 She goes, right.
00:21:50 Like, I think I'm a 10.
00:21:51 It's like, why?
00:21:51 Because I'm so special and blah, blah, blah.
00:21:53 And they say, you're not special.
00:21:54 I just gave you Brandon Carter as an example.
00:21:56 I just gave you Brandon Carter.
00:21:57 We can use any single example you want.
00:22:01 You could be the 500-pound guy who just does eSports or can be like Brandon Carter or the
00:22:05 top G.
00:22:06 Any one of those guys.
00:22:07 The thing still applies.
00:22:09 All right.
00:22:09 Look, look, look.
00:22:10 Are you better off without the instructions?
00:22:14 Are you better off without the bet?
00:22:16 Everyone here has kind of a different thing.
00:22:19 Like me, I've defined it.
00:22:20 This is what I think makes you high value.
00:22:22 You might have a different take on it.
00:22:23 You might have a different take on it.
00:22:25 I've defined it.
00:22:26 And then I took my interpretation off.
00:22:27 What you said, if you want to get these things, and it makes sense to me, those things that
00:22:29 you listed.
00:22:30 But I'm seeing here that everyone here kind of has a different interpretation of it.
00:22:34 Wait, that's not true.
00:22:34 All four of us probably roughly agree on what makes you high value.
00:22:37 No, we don't.
00:22:38 The three of us probably do.
00:22:39 Ben Shapiro said, you said you have high value.
00:22:41 I don't think he is.
00:22:42 Having like some amount of like physical fitness.
00:22:44 We all agree that that's decently valuable, correct?
00:22:47 On some level, yeah.
00:22:48 Okay.
00:22:48 Having some amount of like social status.
00:22:50 So you've got the attention of a lot of people and you're influential.
00:22:53 We all agree on that, right?
00:22:54 Having some amount of financial success, right?
00:22:56 You have freedom to take of your family, retire if you want to, even at an early age.
00:22:59 We all agree with that, right?
00:23:00 Okay.
00:23:00 And having some level of success with your family and friends, right?
00:23:03 We all roughly agree on that, right?
00:23:04 Okay.
00:23:05 If you have those four things in check, you're probably a high value man.
00:23:07 No, it's more than that.
00:23:09 See, here's what he's saying.
00:23:10 I can add more to it because for me, in my head, what high value is is way more than that.
00:23:14 To you, that might be important.
00:23:15 But to me, that's not everything.
00:23:16 What's a key component missing from what I said?
00:23:18 Is a high value guy the guy that marries somebody from a foreign country and brings it over here so she can get citizenship?
00:23:24 Because that's your family dynamic.
00:23:26 My family dynamic is different than that.
00:23:28 Does that make me high value or low value?
00:23:30 Exactly.
00:23:30 It's going to depend on the person.
00:23:32 If I'm in a heterosexual marriage for 27 years and not in a polycule or some shit like that, it's like some people will say you're high value because you do that. 0.98
00:23:40 People will say, Rola, you can't be red pill because you're married or you can't be married because you're red pill. 1.00
00:23:45 Okay.
00:23:46 And suddenly I'm blue pill because I'm actually in a relationship where it's like close on her end, close on her end and close on my end.
00:23:53 But if I go and I talk to the top G or I talk to somebody who's like in an open relationship, is that guy high value because of that?
00:24:00 I'm not – this is not a judgment call.
00:24:02 I'm just saying that the definition is going to be different even if you have all those things.
00:24:05 Even each one of those things that you just mentioned, it's still subject to the context.
00:24:11 I agree with what you said, Destiny.
00:24:13 What I'm saying is that from within each one of those attributes, people are going to have something wildly different.
00:24:18 And you know what they're going to do?
00:24:20 They're going to use that for fucking blog fodder and topics to go and do quick hit videos on because they just want click-through rate for something like that. 0.99
00:24:28 What would we say about women? 1.00
00:24:30 If we say – what is a high value woman? 1.00
00:24:31 You tell me, man.
00:24:34 It's like, again, this is the definition.
00:24:36 This is like your wheelhouse.
00:24:37 This is your chance to steamroll. 0.99
00:24:40 I don't think you understand why fucking wheelhouse is. 0.99
00:24:43 Quite honestly, I don't think you do. 1.00
00:24:44 That's red-tail shit. 1.00
00:24:45 Isn't that what you do? 1.00
00:24:45 Your name is the rational male.
00:24:47 Yeah, a high value woman is. 1.00
00:24:49 I don't talk about high value women, dude. 1.00
00:24:51 In fact, if anything, I say there's no such thing as a quality woman because it's an ideal that guys have in their heads. 0.58
00:24:57 There's no such thing as a quality woman? 1.00
00:24:58 There's no such thing as a quality woman because guys have this – the quality woman is an ideal. 1.00
00:25:03 But we can talk about that when I get there. 0.64
00:25:06 But the thing is this is like when you're building a relationship or when you have this idea in your head, you want to know why guys get into so much fucking trouble in their marriages? 0.60
00:25:13 It's because of that ideal. 0.97
00:25:14 Because every guy who ever got married thought that she was the best fucking thing in the world. 1.00
00:25:19 Otherwise, he wouldn't have got married to her. 0.99
00:25:20 And then Tilly gets across the divorce table from her. 1.00
00:25:22 Now she's a fucking evil man. 1.00
00:25:24 You genuinely don't think that there's quality women in the world? 1.00
00:25:27 I don't think – I think that there are women who have different attributes than others that match very well with guys.
00:25:34 Sure, there are good cliques, of course.
00:25:36 But the thing is is like the idea of the quality woman is an ideal that guys have that gets them into a lot of trouble.
00:25:43 That's why.
00:25:43 They're in love with the ideal, not the actual person.
00:25:46 There are high-value men, but there aren't high-value women.
00:25:49 I was saying that there aren't high-value men and there aren't high-value women.
00:25:53 Okay?
00:25:53 It just depends on who we're talking about.
00:25:56 I don't know what the hell he's talking about, bro. 0.99
00:25:58 I don't even know what the fuck we're talking about. 0.99
00:26:01 I get what he's saying. 0.99
00:26:02 I feel like I need to do mushrooms before I come on this show.
00:26:04 That's what it feels like, the kind of conversation I'm having right now. 0.99
00:26:07 No, you know what it is, Destiny, is you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. 0.99
00:26:10 That's why. 0.98
00:26:10 You guys don't hate me on any of this, and I'm surprised because you write about this all the time.
00:26:13 You wrote a whole book about it.
00:26:14 People, they really respect it.
00:26:15 I have no idea.
00:26:16 You guys might be confused because I'm the one that says there's no such thing as a high-value woman.
00:26:20 A woman gets her value directly from a man that she gets in a relationship with because all women have value.
00:26:27 But not all men have value. 0.97
00:26:28 All women don't have the same value. 1.00
00:26:31 Don't even think about it.
00:26:31 You know that's not true.
00:26:32 If I give you a woman with 100 bodies and a woman with zero bodies, I might give you one that's 500 pounds. 1.00
00:26:35 If I give you one with five kids.
00:26:36 Here's my thing.
00:26:37 Okay, here's my thing because I've said this before.
00:26:40 I know.
00:26:40 Men must be calm and women are. 1.00
00:26:41 I know.
00:26:41 You're about to do this speech.
00:26:42 But I'm just saying there are some women that are better than others. 1.00
00:26:44 I wasn't going to say that.
00:26:45 Of course.
00:26:45 Of course. 1.00
00:26:46 But all women have value to some level, but not all men have value because men have to build their shit up. 0.99
00:26:49 So what I'm saying is that a high-value woman gets her value from being with a high-value man. 0.99
00:26:54 I don't even think that's true.
00:26:56 All men have value to some extent.
00:26:57 The metric of success for a female is being able to get the best man that they can get. 1.00
00:27:01 And men can build and do things.
00:27:03 In places like China where you're limited to them and children, what do they do? 1.00
00:27:06 They opt for boys because they can go out and work and fucking get jobs and shit and do things around the fucking house or whatever. 0.99
00:27:11 Yeah, let's talk in 1980s. 0.99
00:27:14 The one-child policy hasn't been around since the mid-90s, dude.
00:27:19 Sure, but when it was, it was grossly favoring the birth of boys because you could do more with boys than you could with women. 0.61
00:27:23 Just the idea that like –
00:27:24 That was a perception.
00:27:25 And now they're facing the consequences of that.
00:27:29 Well, so is Japan.
00:27:30 That's a super homogenous –
00:27:31 I mean, that's one situation.
00:27:32 Okay, you're using China, but let's be honest here.
00:27:34 Why does it say women and children are off the boat first and not men?
00:27:37 Women have always had – 1.00
00:27:38 No, yeah, it's a chivalry thing, but why is that?
00:27:41 Because if you have 100 women and one guy, you can still continue society. 1.00
00:27:44 But if you have 100 men and one woman, we're fucked. 1.00
00:27:46 Women are the vulnerable sex and men are the disposable sex. 1.00
00:27:49 That's why.
00:27:50 Women have value inherently. 1.00
00:27:51 So what I'm saying is this.
00:27:53 Since every woman has value, for a woman to be high value, she's got to be able to lock down a high-value guy. 1.00
00:27:58 There's a reason why women take a man's last name and not the other way around. 1.00
00:28:01 Women, when they meet each other and hug, the first thing they ask typically is, 1.00
00:28:04 oh, do you have a man, do you have a relationship, tell me about your kids, et cetera.
00:28:08 When two men meet, what do they do?
00:28:09 Shake hands.
00:28:09 What do you do for a living?
00:28:11 Men are judged on creating value.
00:28:12 Women are judged on creating children typically. 1.00
00:28:14 Now, are there some women out there that chase success and make money, whatever? 1.00
00:28:17 Sure, but that is not the main goal of a female. 1.00
00:28:20 The main goal of a female from a biological sense is to procreate. 1.00
00:28:23 For a woman to procreate, she's got to be with a man. 1.00
00:28:25 Typically, they want the best guy.
00:28:26 For a man to procreate, he's got to create excess resources to be able to attract that woman. 1.00
00:28:30 So what we bring to the table is different.
00:28:33 I don't disagree with any of that, but there are high-value women, and there are probably 1.00
00:28:36 a high-value men.
00:28:37 I think a woman's only high-value, she could lock down a high-value guy. 1.00
00:28:39 That's my take on it.
00:28:39 Okay, well, at least you have a definition for it, at least.
00:28:41 Yeah, that's my definition on it, which, again, I see all of us here at the table have different
00:28:45 opinions, which is great, but that's my take on it, like with a high-value man, a high-value
00:28:48 woman.
00:28:48 No, no.
00:28:49 I mean, what you want me to say is a woman who has a low body count, who is a girl from the 1.00
00:28:55 Amish Dutch country in Pennsylvania who's never known another man, doesn't have any social 0.99
00:28:59 media.
00:29:00 I mean, there's a lot of ways we can go with this, but again, those are ideals, okay?
00:29:05 Yeah, but ideals are important because ideals are what we strive for.
00:29:08 An ideal is the whole point. 0.61
00:29:10 And those ideals are also what lead us astray, which is why this list is fucking useful. 0.74
00:29:16 That's why. 0.86
00:29:16 But ideals lead us astray.
00:29:17 Ideals lead you into a better life.
00:29:19 That's the whole point of an ideal.
00:29:20 It's the best version of yourself.
00:29:22 You're never going to be the best version of yourself, but the path to being the best version
00:29:25 of yourself. 0.94
00:29:25 Every guy who ever thought he found his fucking soulmate who ended up on the opposite side 1.00
00:29:29 of the fucking divorce table from her had a fucking ideal about that woman. 1.00
00:29:33 Sure, and every man that dies happily surrounded by his family who had a long- 0.99
00:29:36 Oh, yes, I know.
00:29:37 The pastoral scene with everybody, well, yeah, we're surrounded by his family.
00:29:41 You know what?
00:29:42 You know that like 90% of the population in the United States doesn't die like that.
00:29:47 They actually die in assisted living, and nobody knows about it until the next morning.
00:29:51 Okay, as opposed to you, who was tweeting about dying in his motorbike.
00:29:53 Okay, dude. 1.00
00:29:54 You said you wanted some fucking metal. 1.00
00:29:56 That is a fucking fiend. 1.00
00:29:59 Bad con fantasy. 1.00
00:30:01 Let me hit these shots real fast.
00:30:03 We got another show coming up.
00:30:04 Yeah, we got another show coming up.
00:30:05 I'm going to go through this real fast.
00:30:06 All right, so we got KidBlueRB goes,
00:30:09 Rolo Dodging and Defining a High-A-Value Man is like the LGBT dodging what a woman is. 1.00
00:30:13 Feels like I'm watching Matt Walsh's documentary right now.
00:30:15 You're the grandmaster of RP.
00:30:17 You, out of all people, should be able to define what a high-value man is.
00:30:19 He can't define high-value male, but he can define us as douche nozzles.
00:30:22 All right, let me move.
00:30:23 That's pretty funny, though.
00:30:24 Microsheed says, Myron, you're my guy, but you're giving Rolo an out.
00:30:28 Let him stand on the chair he's standing on so he can continue to hang himself with his food.
00:30:31 I know you really want to defend him because—
00:30:32 Here's the thing.
00:30:33 I know you base a lot of the show around that book, but, like, bro, he's making absolutely no sense.
00:30:38 Here's the thing.
00:30:39 Everyone is interpreting it different.
00:30:40 Obviously, I have my take on it.
00:30:41 Rolo has his take.
00:30:42 He doesn't have a take, bro.
00:30:43 We all have different takes on this.
00:30:44 He doesn't have a take.
00:30:45 That's still a take.
00:30:46 That's still a take, though.
00:30:47 That's still a take.
00:30:48 Okay, it is. 1.00
00:30:48 If this was some LGBT shit or some woman shit, we would be all laughing and roasting the fight. 1.00
00:30:52 Rightfully so. 1.00
00:30:53 Yes.
00:30:53 If a woman came out and you were like, What makes a woman high-value? 0.99
00:30:55 She's like, Well, if she's, like, if she's in her moment and if she's girl-bossing it up as hard as she can, that's a high-value woman.
00:31:01 Like, we would be roasting the fight.
00:31:02 That's the same argument he's making right now.
00:31:04 That's what I'm saying. 0.99
00:31:05 That's not the – it's fucking apples and oranges. 1.00
00:31:09 Guys, that's the problem with all this shit. 0.99
00:31:11 It's like you don't even fucking understand the nature of the tweet. 1.00
00:31:14 That's why. 0.95
00:31:14 Because I'm asking you a specific question.
00:31:16 You can't answer it.
00:31:16 Ask if it's advice.
00:31:17 It's not.
00:31:17 It's a joke.
00:31:18 It's not.
00:31:19 The minute – I don't know.
00:31:19 It's because the minute – okay, here's the thing.
00:31:21 Here's the high-value man.
00:31:22 Let me just – let me give you a high-value man. 0.99
00:31:25 A high-value man goes and fucks as many chicks as he possibly can, as many women as possible, and he fucking finds one little needle in the haystack, and he wipes up that girl because she happens to have no body count. 0.99
00:31:36 She's, like, 100% in love with him. 0.99
00:31:38 And, I mean, I can go and rattle off all these extremes, and you know who's going to disagree with me? 0.99
00:31:42 Every fucking guy in fucking daily life is going to disagree with me. 0.99
00:31:45 Say what you really think. 1.00
00:31:46 Don't say it ironically.
00:31:47 Say what you believe.
00:31:48 What I'm saying is what I believe here, okay?
00:31:52 This is the whole thing. 0.99
00:31:53 It's the point of the fucking tweet is that it's your fucking definition of what it is. 0.99
00:31:58 You can say Ben Shapiro. 0.99
00:32:00 You said Ben Shapiro's not a high-value man, so you must be comparing him to some standard in your head.
00:32:04 You said Bezos is not a high-value man.
00:32:06 You said Elon Musk is not a high-value man, so there's some standard in your head that you're comparing these guys to that they're not matching up to.
00:32:10 What is that standard?
00:32:11 Well, let's – all you would have to do is look at their personal lives so you would understand this.
00:32:16 Again, do I have time to go on to enumerate all that?
00:32:19 No, I don't.
00:32:19 But if you go and you look at what they're doing – like, oh, look at – okay.
00:32:22 Look, let's just use Elon Musk for a second here.
00:32:25 Yeah, let's use Ben Shapiro.
00:32:26 That was a good example.
00:32:26 Ben Shapiro.
00:32:27 We can look at Ben Shapiro.
00:32:28 How did he meet his wife?
00:32:29 Do you know how he met his wife?
00:32:31 It was arranged, right?
00:32:32 Was it an arranged or family friends?
00:32:33 No, basically what Ben Shapiro did was he wore this chick down over the course of, God knows, like three or four months, right?
00:32:39 He would meet the definition of stalking and being a creeper on the – if he wasn't Ben Shapiro, right, if he didn't have his background in three or four months.
00:32:48 What does that mean?
00:32:49 Basically, he –
00:32:49 What it means is he wore her down is what he did, and he's very proud of that fact too. 0.94
00:32:54 Okay, hold on.
00:32:54 Real quick.
00:32:55 You seem to have a problem with this.
00:32:55 When somebody asks you, what is X, and then you go, well, it's X, you're not really answering the question.
00:33:00 You've done this like three times.
00:33:01 When you say wore her down over three to four months, what does that mean?
00:33:04 Did they date?
00:33:05 Did he see her after school?
00:33:06 What that means is he kept – he was persistent.
00:33:09 He just kept wearing her down over, over the course of time. 0.99
00:33:13 Bro, that's ridiculous, man. 1.00
00:33:17 I will send you the fucking – I will send you the video. 1.00
00:33:20 I will send you the video. 1.00
00:33:22 Okay.
00:33:22 Jesus.
00:33:24 All right.
00:33:25 You guys should have viewer call-ins more often.
00:33:27 It's cute.
00:33:29 Okay.
00:33:29 And you should send your only fangirls to come at me to debate me in your proxy next time.
00:33:36 I mean, we're asking to debate you right now, and you can't even – 1.00
00:33:38 Except next time, please find the girl who actually puts lenses in her fucking glasses. 1.00
00:33:43 I'm a little weird. 1.00
00:33:44 You're so triggered, dude.
00:33:45 Are you okay?
00:33:46 Not very rational.
00:33:47 I think –
00:33:48 True.
00:33:48 His six book will be the emotional mail, I think.
00:33:51 Because I would consider Ben Shapiro a high-value guy.
00:33:53 I would.
00:33:54 No, everybody would, obviously.
00:33:55 But you disagree with the grandmaster?
00:33:57 The godfather, the great-great-granddaddy of the Red Bull.
00:34:01 Now you're just kidding me.
00:34:01 You don't think it's trolling, man.
00:34:02 The grandmaster of the Red Bull.
00:34:04 Myron, Myron, would you agree with his outlook on women?
00:34:10 With Ben Shapiro's outlook on women?
00:34:13 Yeah.
00:34:14 Ben Shapiro has literally come at you for exactly this.
00:34:18 For everything that these guys are talking about, he's come at you for exactly the same thing.
00:34:23 Yeah, so –
00:34:23 You guys did a full show on this.
00:34:25 No, no, for sure.
00:34:26 I disagree with him on as far as like the female stuff.
00:34:29 Like, oh, yeah, like having sexual experience is like bad for you, like you was trying to say.
00:34:34 But I think objectively speaking from the things that I listed as far as what I think makes a guy high value, he has all those things.
00:34:40 Now, he's limited on his knowledge of females for sure, right? 0.62
00:34:44 Because I think he only got with one girl and she comes from a certain – she comes from a family and – a certain family, I don't want to say because we're on YouTube.
00:34:51 But I think that set her up – yeah, cha-ching. 1.00
00:34:55 That set her up to be a girl that would be to his liking.
00:34:58 But the point I'm trying to make is I think Ben Shapiro is a high value guy, but I don't agree with his stances on women.
00:35:03 Same thing with Steven Crowder right now.
00:35:06 You guys were just talking about Crowder not too long ago. 0.99
00:35:08 Like right up until he got this divorce and all this stuff started coming out and Candace owns all that shit. 0.95
00:35:13 Everybody would have said he was a high value guy until now. 0.97
00:35:17 I think they're high value guys like Crowder and Ben Shapiro based on what they've accomplished in life.
00:35:21 But I don't agree with their standpoints on females.
00:35:25 Roller thinks that if he disagrees with them, then they can't be – 0.99
00:35:28 Like go back to fucking Twitch. 0.99
00:35:31 Just go back to Twitch and start playing games again. 1.00
00:35:34 You have no fucking point. 1.00
00:35:35 There's no point for either one of you to be on this fucking show, quite honestly. 1.00
00:35:39 Dumbledore has spoken. 0.99
00:35:40 Because here's the thing.
00:35:40 The traditional conservative beliefs don't necessarily work in today's sexual marketplace when it comes to dealing with women.
00:35:46 No, we agree.
00:35:47 But that's the reason he thinks Ben Shapiro is not high value because he disagreed with you on relationships.
00:35:51 What I'm saying is that that – well, yes.
00:35:54 I would actually agree with that simply because –
00:35:56 Okay, so there is a point.
00:35:58 Does Ben Shapiro, what his disagreement with you, does that then at least in some way diminish him as a high value man?
00:36:06 No.
00:36:06 We can disagree.
00:36:07 I disagree with that.
00:36:08 I'm asking Myron.
00:36:09 I mean because it's Myron who says he's a high value guy.
00:36:12 But like –
00:36:12 Describe that he disagrees with the traditional relationships.
00:36:15 If you're going to look at money, muscles, and game, okay?
00:36:18 In this case, it's the female aspect of what makes a high value guy, right? 0.98
00:36:23 If he disagrees with –
00:36:24 He just said that he's high value.
00:36:28 He said he's high value, but except for that one part where he's saying, you know what?
00:36:31 I disagree with his outlook when it comes to like women and how best to go about like forming relationships or whatever, the sex, whatever it is.
00:36:38 Yeah, I think he's a high value guy, but I disagree with his notion on how to deal with women. 0.99
00:36:41 Well, he's not fucking 50. 0.99
00:36:42 He's not fucking 50 guy or 50 women. 0.99
00:36:45 Yeah, no, he's not. 0.99
00:36:46 He's not.
00:36:46 He's against that, which I think is dated.
00:36:48 You know what I mean?
00:36:49 Again, like I said before, I think a guy could be traditionally conservative, but I'd not agree –
00:36:54 I don't necessarily have to agree with someone's viewpoints on how they deal with females for me to see them as high value because I think he accomplishes all the things that I mentioned on my list of what I think makes a guy high value.
00:37:02 And so what you're doing is you're saying that high value is these accomplishments, correct?
00:37:06 I'm interpreting it, yeah.
00:37:07 That's how I interpret it, which obviously everyone here at the panel has a different opinion, which is great.
00:37:11 I kind of agree.
00:37:11 Yeah, I agree with that.
00:37:12 Respect it, accomplish.
00:37:13 Which is great.
00:37:14 We don't really have a different opinion.
00:37:16 I feel like I definitely find that you're pretty aligned at the table.
00:37:18 Yeah, with us three, yeah.
00:37:19 But I mean, again, we're looking at things differently in general.
00:37:24 Okay.
00:37:24 Because you guys don't agree.
00:37:25 I agree with his tweet if you want to become high value in the quickest amount of time.
00:37:28 But you can't agree with it if he doesn't even define it.
00:37:30 You can't agree with him if you don't even know what his definition is.
00:37:33 Does he agree with it?
00:37:35 Defined by the way he defines it.
00:37:37 No, but he did, though.
00:37:39 He chose what high value means to him.
00:37:40 You're missing a point.
00:37:41 Thank you.
00:37:42 Thank you.
00:37:42 Fresh is the voice of reason.
00:37:44 I'm going to fall over your head because you guys are thinking about one-point vasectomy.
00:37:46 That's it.
00:37:47 We weren't even on vasectomy, but that's okay.
00:37:49 I think we come to the bottom of this.
00:37:50 It's common sense.
00:37:51 Myron agrees with the tweet that I'm talking about according to what his definition of a high value guy is, correct?
00:37:59 Yeah.
00:37:59 He knows his definition.
00:38:01 Yeah.
00:38:01 Exactly.
00:38:02 High value men are just people that have high value.
00:38:03 And I agree.
00:38:05 I got it.
00:38:05 All right. 0.70
00:38:06 I'll hit these other ones. 0.99
00:38:08 We got here.
00:38:09 Viking paradigm.
00:38:10 Ignoring the context.
00:38:11 Talking over.
00:38:11 Interrupting ad hominems.
00:38:13 Goalpost shifting.
00:38:14 Claiming it's advice when it's not.
00:38:15 It's easy to see who's trying to control their viewers and who's not.
00:38:17 And easy to see who lost the debate here. 0.98
00:38:19 Hey, you're a douche nozzle. 1.00
00:38:20 That's a douche nozzle thing to say. 0.97
00:38:22 Shout out to Viking, man.
00:38:23 That's not very rational of you.
00:38:25 Life, love, value.
00:38:26 Women aren't so simple. 1.00
00:38:27 Leave these RP dudes alone in their zone to stew. 0.97
00:38:30 Responsibility, intelligence, and discipline above all and are talismans of happiness for most people.
00:38:35 Enjoy life, grind, and don't glorify anyone.
00:38:37 I agree.
00:38:37 I agree.
00:38:38 100%.
00:38:38 And then what else we got here?
00:38:40 We got Mike Rashid.
00:38:41 I hope y'all don't let Rolo's weird immigration comment fly by.
00:38:46 Immigration comment?
00:38:47 Immigration? 0.80
00:38:48 I wish I got an MFI for discussion.
00:38:49 I wish you got an MFI for discussion.
00:38:50 He should come to the round table next week.
00:38:52 Immigration? 0.80
00:38:52 He's not Trump.
00:38:54 What am I talking about?
00:38:55 Immigration? 0.80
00:38:56 I don't know.
00:38:57 Okay.
00:38:57 All right.
00:38:58 What else?
00:38:58 Anything else?
00:38:59 Up to you guys.
00:39:00 Freshman.
00:39:02 That was it.
00:39:03 Oh, John?
00:39:04 John.
00:39:05 100%.
00:39:06 If I wanted to learn how to become a successful man, I'd go to Rolo before going to Sneeko
00:39:11 or Destiny.
00:39:12 Two grown-ass men who argue like teenage boys. 0.88
00:39:14 All right. 0.90
00:39:14 So a 55-year-old guy calling us douche nozzles to someone who's like three times younger,
00:39:17 that's a mature way to argue? 1.00
00:39:19 Damn. 0.99
00:39:21 If that's your idea, then okay. 1.00
00:39:23 Wow.
00:39:23 Shots fired.
00:39:24 That's just what happened on the show.
00:39:28 This is a great debate.
00:39:30 Do you have anything to say?
00:39:31 Like, you called in.
00:39:32 You're just staring.
00:39:33 Where can they find y'all?
00:39:35 I mean, they know where to find.
00:39:35 We plugged them out.
00:39:36 Yeah.
00:39:37 Go back to Twitch.
00:39:38 That's some advice for you.
00:39:39 That's some real advice for you guys. 1.00
00:39:40 You guys have no business fucking being in any of this shit right here. 1.00
00:39:43 You're not ready to have a fucking adult conversation. 1.00
00:39:45 Everything. 1.00
00:39:46 I've seen you chatting more than any other name in the chats.
00:39:50 I re-chat like whenever I stream, which is when I'm online, and you're in there more
00:39:53 than me.
00:39:53 True.
00:39:54 So calling us Twitch.
00:39:55 Actually, I'm banned on there.
00:39:56 I'm on Rumble.
00:39:57 But yeah.
00:39:57 I mean, if you want to pull the online card, then maybe get off the internet a little bit
00:40:00 and chatting all day.
00:40:04 Douche nozzle.
00:40:05 It's a lot harder when it's not just like 22-year-old women being ganged up on a podcast, 1.00
00:40:09 huh?
00:40:09 I'm sorry, Rello.
00:40:10 Yeah. 0.99
00:40:10 I'll be happy to fucking debate you, dude. 0.99
00:40:12 On any topic you want. 0.99
00:40:14 We are right now.
00:40:15 We just did. 0.99
00:40:16 No, you're talking about this one fucking tweet is what you're talking about. 0.99
00:40:19 Well, we were talking to the godfather of Red Pill. 0.99
00:40:20 Yeah, and speaking of fucking tweets, or excuse me, speaking of fucking super chats, was that 0.97
00:40:26 not you on whatever podcast the other night? 0.99
00:40:28 Yeah.
00:40:29 I like to support people I go on to have a podcast.
00:40:31 Right.
00:40:31 Thank you very much.
00:40:32 Thank you for at least admitting it.
00:40:33 Those are the only two super chats I've sent my life.
00:40:35 If I'm watching content and I want to know if it's Red Pill or not, I just feel like you're
00:40:38 watching a lot more than you think you are.
00:40:40 It's the only program I've ever been on.
00:40:42 It's insane.
00:40:43 You should get a tax credit for like watching me.
00:40:48 Do you have anything to say?
00:40:49 Why are you staring like that, man?
00:40:53 Okay.
00:40:54 I thought you'd have a wrap.
00:40:56 Let's see.
00:40:57 Here's the thing.
00:40:58 You guys, first of all, I've thrown out this.
00:41:00 I've thrown out this player in his car after the show.
00:41:02 First of all.
00:41:05 If you guys want to come to Vegas, come to Vegas.
00:41:08 We'll sit across the table from each other. 1.00
00:41:09 We're going to build up your fucking dog shit podcast. 1.00
00:41:11 What are you talking about? 1.00
00:41:11 Come to Miami.
00:41:13 I am coming to Miami.
00:41:14 Oh, cool.
00:41:15 I hope you're here next week.
00:41:16 You guys are so mean, man.
00:41:18 Bro, I didn't even say.
00:41:19 What do you mean we're mean?
00:41:20 He called us douche-nazzles.
00:41:21 Oh, it's fine.
00:41:22 He's the grand wizard of Red Pill, so I can't go say anything about that.
00:41:25 But I'm mean now because I'm calling him irrational for not having any arguments at all.
00:41:30 Bro, I know you want to defend him because the book is here on the table, but like, bro, that made no sense.
00:41:34 You guys have not read the book. 0.99
00:41:36 You guys don't know what the fuck you're reading. 1.00
00:41:37 I'm not reading your book, bro. 1.00
00:41:38 You can't even define what high-value man is.
00:41:40 Why would I read a book from a guy who can't have a clear definition?
00:41:42 I don't know if you read the book.
00:41:43 I'm not going to go there. 0.98
00:41:44 I'm fucking for the last half hour. 1.00
00:41:46 I've been trying to explain to you this shit to you. 1.00
00:41:48 You guys have no business being in this fucking sphere to begin with, first of all. 1.00
00:41:53 Second of all. 1.00
00:41:54 It's like forever until you're 65.
00:41:55 And the reason why is because you devolve into it.
00:41:58 You want to know why, like, when we talk.
00:42:00 Nobody debates anymore.
00:42:01 You know why? 1.00
00:42:02 Because it devolves into this middle school bullshit that both of you are. 1.00
00:42:05 But you guys are perfect. 1.00
00:42:06 You guys marry each other.
00:42:07 You can't call this childish when you were the one who started insulting.
00:42:10 I would just ask you a question, and then you said douche nozzle. 1.00
00:42:12 Now you're going to go play the maturity card?
00:42:16 Yeah.
00:42:16 Yeah, now I'm going to play the maturity card.
00:42:18 That was a middle school argument.
00:42:21 All right.
00:42:22 I mean, this is not going anywhere.
00:42:23 This was a great debate.
00:42:24 I like this.
00:42:25 Debation.
00:42:26 I mean, it's very obvious that everyone here has different takes, which is great.
00:42:29 I think that's good.
00:42:30 I'm not sure what it's taking still.
00:42:32 That's cool.
00:42:33 It's different than ours.
00:42:33 We know that.
00:42:34 You know what I mean?
00:42:34 So it is what it is.
00:42:35 Is there anything else, Chris?
00:42:37 Let's see.
00:42:38 Nope.
00:42:38 We're good.
00:42:39 All right.
00:42:40 All right.
00:42:40 Smash that like button.
00:42:42 That you want to say before we.
00:42:43 I'll be there next week.
00:42:45 All right.
00:42:46 Cool.
00:42:46 I think we'll have him on on the 15th.
00:42:48 Let's do a boxing match.
00:42:51 Just kidding.
00:42:52 All right.
00:42:53 Thanks for coming on, bro.
00:42:54 Thanks for a little bit.
00:42:55 Take it easy, man.
00:42:56 OK, so let's see here.
00:42:58 We're caught up, Chris, on your end. 0.97
00:42:59 That's a goofy godfather, bro. 0.96
00:43:01 I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. 1.00
00:43:02 I mean, like that that shit was good. 0.99
00:43:03 I know you really want to defend him. 0.99
00:43:05 And my right now, I know you're probably like that.
00:43:08 No, it's not that.
00:43:09 We all have different takes on it, which is fine.
00:43:11 OK, but he did get triggered immediately for someone who called himself the rational
00:43:15 man.
00:43:15 That was no rational arguments were made.
00:43:18 He was got emotional.
00:43:19 He got triggered immediately.
00:43:20 He started cursing.
00:43:20 That was not like an example of good masculinity.
00:43:24 What do you do?
00:43:25 I tried to engage and I asked him specific questions.
00:43:27 I mean, you also made insults multiple times.
00:43:31 Yeah, but it was after he started.
00:43:32 If he's going to start, of course, you're going to follow up, right?
00:43:33 Well, well, you attacked him prior show.
00:43:37 So just to be fair, you did.
00:43:39 What did I say? 0.99
00:43:39 Say that his comments were like asinine. 0.98
00:43:42 They didn't make sense. 0.87
00:43:42 That's not insulting.
00:43:43 That's going at his advice.
00:43:45 I'm talking about his argument.
00:43:46 And then you said the man I made the comments is.
00:43:49 I'm just saying, look, ultimately, we both did the same thing.
00:43:52 That's not true.
00:43:53 Think about it.
00:43:53 That's just not true. 0.98
00:43:54 Talking shit about somebody's arguments is a lot less serious. 0.99
00:43:56 I didn't call him a douche nozzle. 0.99
00:43:58 I didn't call him a douche nozzle.
00:43:59 Come on.
00:43:59 You got me.
00:43:59 It was kind of funny.
00:44:00 Douche nozzle.
00:44:07 That's it.
00:44:07 I didn't do your job.
00:44:08 I didn't do your job.