SNEAKO - SNEAKO HOSTS SHAYKH UTHMAN RYAN DAWSON DEBATE

00:00:00 This panel in here

00:00:01 And I wanted to set this up

00:00:04 This is

00:00:04 We have Ryan Dawson

00:00:05 And Sheikh Uthman

00:00:06 As-salamu alaykum

00:00:07 Wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

00:00:08 Al-Muslimin

00:00:09 Before we really get into

00:00:11 The conversation

00:00:11 Peace be upon you

00:00:12 There we go

00:00:13 I wanted to see some ones

00:00:14 In the chat

00:00:14 Actually shout out to

00:00:15 Ryan Dawson

00:00:16 He was contacted by the BBC

00:00:17 They were doing a hit piece on me

00:00:18 And Ryan Dawson

00:00:20 Told the BBC reporter

00:00:21 When Sneeko came to Japan 0.99

00:00:23 All he did was

00:00:24 Read the Quran

00:00:24 And pray every day

00:00:25 So thank you Ryan

00:00:27 Good support from an atheist

00:00:28 it's my way of saying f off

00:00:31 uh you just want to chat i'm wondering if you can hear me if everything sounds good before you

00:00:37 can uh get into this conversation it's good to see you guys second stream of the day

00:00:40 we good everybody i think you did pray every day just not all day

00:00:45 not not every day no um but i did uh quit drinking ryan yes which is good that's a win

00:00:54 yeah it's been it's been a while nothing cures alcohol like alcohol yeah

00:00:58 is that true i see well well nothing cures alcohol like too much alcohol is my joke but

00:01:06 um i see you made your own tea sad yes you don't like tea

00:01:14 no it's just i have women do it for me oh the sneaker knows what i mean 1.00

00:01:20 who told you we made our own tea bro i'm married yeah there you go

00:01:24 well i want to set up this uh this conversation because big fan of tea actually me too i love tea

00:01:32 they have a lot in common that's what i think this is really interesting i don't iron my own

00:01:36 clothes i don't clean my house i don't make my own tea i don't cook my own food i didn't get

00:01:40 married for nothing bro that's right well i when i visited ryan in japan for about two weeks uh

00:01:48 Ryan barely sleeps.

00:01:49 He's studying all the time.

00:01:51 And I'm visiting Shake With Mind currently in San Diego.

00:01:54 Barely sleeps.

00:01:55 He's raising his kids.

00:01:56 He's always reading.

00:01:56 We're in his library with books everywhere.

00:01:58 So I think that Ryan Dawson and Shake With Mind live a very similar lifestyle.

00:02:02 But at the same time, they have a lot of similarities in their worldview.

00:02:06 But obviously a lot of big differences, for instance, since Ryan Dawson is an atheist.

00:02:12 I do like the two flags you got behind you.

00:02:14 so that one's custom designed right there really put it on a bottle too yeah oh that's what i drink

00:02:23 my tea out of does it taste better it does it's like holy water

00:02:28 so i think that there's a there's a lot that you you might agree on and uh a lot that you might

00:02:36 disagree on uh from hearing both of you speak uh quite a bit uh recently ryan we were talking

00:02:42 And I was telling you about my reversion to Islam

00:02:45 And I think that your major point of contention between the two of you

00:02:48 Is Ryan, you think that there's truth in all religions

00:02:50 But Sheikh Uthman, the one message foundation is that Islam is the final religion 0.99

00:02:55 And the only correct religion 0.99

00:02:58 And the correct philosophy for life

00:03:00 And just basically the truth

00:03:02 So before we get into this

00:03:05 If you could clarify that Ryan

00:03:08 Why do you think that there's truth in all religions?

00:03:12 Well, most things that stand the test of time must have at least some partial truth where they wouldn't survive.

00:03:17 But I think a lot of it is subjective because it depends on how the person practicing the religion interprets it.

00:03:25 And so you're going to have all walks of life from the same type of faith, depending on how sincere they are in their belief and how much they put into it.

00:03:37 So you could get a Christian like Ron Paul or you could get a Pat Robertson.

00:03:40 You could get up Muhammad Ali or

00:03:42 Osama bin Laden

00:03:44 It's not to do with the

00:03:47 faith

00:03:48 I think religion is more like a guide or a vehicle 0.99

00:03:51 You've got to blame the driver

00:03:53 not the car for most of it

00:03:54 I think there's two different

00:03:57 points here. The first thing to say

00:03:59 that there's some truth in those religions

00:04:00 I would agree with you

00:04:02 But secondly the examples you give are people

00:04:05 Like you said you blame the driver

00:04:06 so that makes sense as well

00:04:08 But let's talk about the message

00:04:10 right um i believe that jesus peace and blessings be upon him was a good person he brought a good

00:04:16 message i don't believe he's god right uh do you believe same god okay so so that would mean that

00:04:23 we would agree that that aspect of christianity where they say jesus was fully god doesn't make

00:04:29 sense right yeah well so it depends on the christians some of them think of them as like

00:04:35 the Son of God, because they separate the Father and the Son.

00:04:39 You can see that in the book of Mark, where they say not even the Son will know the last

00:04:43 days of coming, right? So, even in the Bible, it says He's not

00:04:47 the Father. Nobody knows the coming of the hour, not even the

00:04:51 angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13.32, I believe.

00:04:55 13.32, yeah. Excellent. So, then,

00:04:59 Oh, no.

00:05:01 everything what happened i'm back my screen just went black

00:05:08 it's uh some people don't want us to have this they're attacking us

00:05:12 we won't talk about who they are but they have hats like mine except they shrunk so okay well

00:05:18 well well well what's wrong with that i don't think a lot of christians understand that jesus

00:05:25 is one of the most quoted prophets in the Quran.

00:05:28 They have such contention.

00:05:31 Who cares

00:05:31 if you think he's God or not?

00:05:33 Do you believe in the message, yes or no?

00:05:36 If that's the

00:05:37 right way to be, then

00:05:39 follow it.

00:05:41 Right. So I think me and you would agree

00:05:43 that Jesus wasn't God, right?

00:05:46 So I mean, that's something that

00:05:47 I think Islam also agrees with.

00:05:49 So you would agree that aspect of Islam

00:05:51 is correct, right?

00:05:52 well i don't think there is a god so nobody can be god okay so do you when you said there's some

00:06:01 truth in all religions but then you say you don't believe there's a god don't you see that as a

00:06:04 contradiction no because every religion believes there is a god right no all right not every

00:06:12 religion believes there is a god okay so buddhism doesn't have a god pantheism doesn't have a god

00:06:17 Hinduism has multiple gods

00:06:19 not everything is monotheism

00:06:21 you know that

00:06:22 Hinduism does believe there is a god

00:06:24 whether it's a single god

00:06:26 many gods

00:06:27 I've had many discussions and debates

00:06:31 you can see the One Message Foundation

00:06:33 with Hindus who do believe there is one superior

00:06:35 one final super god

00:06:38 and then there is denigods

00:06:39 but I'm not really here to defend

00:06:41 or give their opinion

00:06:42 but they do believe that there are gods

00:06:45 or a god or a superior god

00:06:47 but you don't believe that so when christians jews muslims hindus others do believe there's 0.99

00:06:53 a supernatural creator you you would you would say that's not true yeah i don't believe in the

00:07:00 supernatural okay so and also daoism and buddhism don't have gods and they are religions like they

00:07:06 have supernatural aspects like reincarnation for example which is supernatural but without a god

00:07:12 So again, you're a well-read person

00:07:15 so I'm sure you've read Suzuki's works on Buddhism

00:07:17 and so on

00:07:18 and there is many forms of Buddhism

00:07:21 as you well know

00:07:23 and there are Buddhists

00:07:24 and I was in Thailand before

00:07:27 I had conversations that said

00:07:29 they do believe there is a God

00:07:30 and that does not contradict their Buddhist beliefs

00:07:32 but again, not the point here

00:07:34 You could be Buddhist and Muslim

00:07:36 because there's no conflict

00:07:37 Buddhism is more about a guide on how to live your life

00:07:40 it doesn't have a cosmological claim

00:07:42 So, there are Buddhists that do believe there is a God, right?

00:07:47 Sure, but that's separate from their Buddhism. That's on their own.

00:07:51 So, where do you think we came from?

00:07:56 Well, I think the precept that all was void and had to be created is incorrect.

00:08:01 I don't think all was ever void. I think matter is eternal.

00:08:04 I didn't ask you what is incorrect. I asked you what you believe.

00:08:07 I said both.

00:08:10 You said came from.

00:08:12 I don't think there's anything to come from.

00:08:15 There's only being, which is outside of time.

00:08:18 So do you believe we've always existed?

00:08:21 We haven't, but existence has always existed.

00:08:24 How do you know that?

00:08:27 I think it's a logical deduction.

00:08:28 Something can't come from nothing, yet something is here.

00:08:31 Therefore, it was never nothing.

00:08:34 But since you weren't there,

00:08:36 and you have no actual proof of anything beginning or not beginning,

00:08:40 you're just kind of going guesswork basically right no did you hear what i just said it's a

00:08:46 logical deduction if somethingness is here and it can't come from nothing then it was never nothing

00:08:51 sure now let's take it back to the human and its development so for example

00:09:00 you as a human being do you believe that you evolved from nothing

00:09:04 No

00:09:06 So you were

00:09:08 Existence is always from prior existence

00:09:11 You see, you kind of contradicted yourself

00:09:13 Because that means you would say humans were always in existence

00:09:16 Or they evolved from something else

00:09:18 No

00:09:19 Just existence itself is eternal

00:09:23 Forms within existence are specific things

00:09:27 No, humans have not always existed

00:09:30 Ah, so they did evolve from something else

00:09:31 But the stuff we're made of has

00:09:34 Gotcha.

00:09:35 But that means humans did evolve from something else, according to your belief.

00:09:39 Yeah, all animals have evolved.

00:09:42 Aha.

00:09:43 So we have a change because earlier you didn't say that, but let's go with that.

00:09:48 Okay.

00:09:49 There is no change.

00:09:50 There is no contradiction in that at all.

00:09:53 All the things that have evolved are still made of matter.

00:09:56 Okay.

00:09:56 You see my phone?

00:09:59 Mm-hmm.

00:10:01 Be honest.

00:10:02 And I praised you. He said you're a good person, so I'm assuming you're going to be honest.

00:10:07 If I told you that this phone, by itself, evolved from everlasting matter without any engineering, without any effort, without any designer, would you believe me?

00:10:19 Nope.

00:10:22 These phones are not alive, and they cannot adapt to their environment.

00:10:25 Let me finish.

00:10:28 what's surely you know i've heard this example many times yeah so what's more complex the human

00:10:38 being or a phone people excellent so you would believe that something less complicated could

00:10:48 not evolve by itself while you would believe something way more complicated without a creator

00:10:53 without a designer without anybody to fashion it without anybody to grow it

00:10:58 would evolve by itself that doesn't make sense to me something that's not alive cannot evolve

00:11:06 because it cannot adapt to its environment okay so how did life then evolve you can say

00:11:11 in a way the things on your phone did develop on their own like there's not a camera but an eye

00:11:17 is like a camera so a camera developed cameras evolve we call them eyes

00:11:22 and now you're comparing dead things with live things right so if you are you saying some things

00:11:29 on this phone evolved by themselves like what no there's not going to develop into a phone but the

00:11:35 things that we've put on our phones mechanically mimic what has happened naturally in life do they

00:11:39 evolve on their own phones are not alive they cannot you said some things on the phone develop

00:11:48 on their own what on the phone evolves on its own i gave you an example you have a camera on your

00:11:55 phone which is mimicking something that already exists right the camera is made by people but

00:12:01 eyes eyeballs evolved so nothing on my phone evolves on its own my camera doesn't evolve on

00:12:07 your phone doesn't evolve because it's not alive there are things on the phone that evolve on their

00:12:22 own you can rewind the the screen if you like and i'm asking yes go ahead take fully what i said

00:12:29 things that we have put on phones mimic that which is you did not say an eye is like a camera

00:12:35 evolve on their own cameras yeah if you want to we call them cameras do not evolve they are designed

00:12:43 when you get them we don't call eyes cameras eyes are not on my phone bro you said things on your

00:12:51 phone will evolve on their own this is recorded come on with all due respect let's stick to the

00:12:57 honesty right you asked me does your phone will a phone ever evolve and i said no because it's

00:13:02 not alive and it cannot adapt to its environment many times. That's the whole phone and everything

00:13:07 on it. And you said there are things on your phone that would evolve on their own and then

00:13:12 you realize that nothing on the phone evolves on its own. If you upgrade, there's a designer,

00:13:18 there's an engineer. And I would say the human is more complex than a phone and it could not

00:13:26 be designed and come by

00:13:28 itself and evolve on its own

00:13:30 without a designer and somebody to

00:13:32 grow it. Yeah, the designer

00:13:34 is the planet and the solar system.

00:13:37 So are you saying the planet and the

00:13:38 solar system has intelligence?

00:13:41 Doesn't have to.

00:13:42 A designer doesn't have to have intelligence?

00:13:45 Can something without

00:13:46 intelligence design?

00:13:48 Or is design with intent?

00:13:51 Doesn't have intent.

00:13:52 Come on, bro.

00:13:53 but do you think the solar system

00:13:57 do you think a designer needs to be intelligent

00:13:59 it does not

00:14:02 think about what you're saying

00:14:05 a design

00:14:06 something that is developed

00:14:08 without there being

00:14:11 any intelligence

00:14:12 do you see

00:14:14 the inconsistency in that

00:14:16 no

00:14:17 it's a design

00:14:18 it's made for a certain path

00:14:20 a certain way

00:14:21 a certain structure

00:14:23 without intelligence.

00:14:26 Come on.

00:14:26 A certain structure is determined by

00:14:28 all other designs would have failed

00:14:30 other than what is adapted to its environment.

00:14:34 But who

00:14:34 designed all those?

00:14:38 It is not a who. It is a product of nature.

00:14:42 But then you gave it a name.

00:14:43 Nature.

00:14:45 You're just taking God and giving it the name nature.

00:14:45 Yeah, nature is physical, not supernatural.

00:14:48 Okay.

00:14:48 So does nature

00:14:50 design human cells?

00:14:55 In our specific locality,

00:14:59 with our specific environment,

00:15:01 human cells did come to fruition,

00:15:03 as did many other types of cells.

00:15:06 Okay.

00:15:07 Who designed them?

00:15:10 There is no design.

00:15:12 That's the natural process of this environment.

00:15:14 There's no intelligence behind the development

00:15:17 and design of the human cell.

00:15:19 The sun is not deciding to create sunshine.

00:15:22 That is a natural product of its physical characteristics.

00:15:25 I would agree.

00:15:27 But the sun doesn't design sunshine.

00:15:28 Nobody wills in to exist and, oh, pull this down every time.

00:15:32 It is just part of how nature is constructed.

00:15:35 Once again, you're talking about the effects of heat and things.

00:15:38 That's not what we're talking about.

00:15:39 We're talking about the development and design of the human cell.

00:15:42 Do you know about the minimum gene concept?

00:15:46 What is the minimum gene concept?

00:15:48 You've never heard of the minimum gene concept?

00:15:50 I haven't.

00:15:52 Okay, there's some homework for you.

00:15:54 I'd like you to go and research the minimum gene concept.

00:15:57 And in clinical trials, we have been able to see that even the smallest living cell,

00:16:02 the minute single cell organism, would have already had to have a minimum set of genetics 0.99

00:16:08 for it to survive or it would collapse.

00:16:10 In fact, 200 is theorized and around 300 something is proven.

00:16:13 so that would mean the first living cell

00:16:16 the first living cell

00:16:17 single cell organism

00:16:19 already had around 300 set of genetics

00:16:22 who put those there

00:16:24 that's a design

00:16:25 it's not an accident

00:16:27 and if you're going to say

00:16:28 it's not an accident

00:16:29 and it's not a design

00:16:31 it's not completely random

00:16:34 because there's

00:16:35 favoritism in chemistry

00:16:38 of what attracts what

00:16:39 there's only so many combinations

00:16:42 and we recently discovered in a lack of oxygen environment that single-cell organisms become

00:16:49 multicellular rather quickly than 200 generations. The question is this minimum set of genetics

00:16:57 in a single-set organism that it could not have survived, could not have evolved from less than

00:17:02 that, could have fallen apart. Something proven in clinical trials, who designed that minimum set

00:17:10 that was necessary for it to survive it's not designed if you have genetics that have to be

00:17:21 there this which takes billions of years to to formulate your mistake for billions of years

00:17:28 if the minimum hold on do you think the earth was made in six days i do not believe in the in the

00:17:35 the what is the biblical view in islam we talk about ayam ayam means a period of time it doesn't

00:17:43 mean 24-hour days right there are there are there are periods of time for example yom in arabic is

00:17:51 used for the day of judgment yom al-qiyama and one yom one period of time is 50,000 years

00:17:57 so i don't believe in six days like 24-hour days no and let's not change the subject here all right

00:18:04 So, there had to have been a minimum set of genetics.

00:18:08 It could not have evolved because if it was less than that, it would collapse.

00:18:12 Who, what set that minimum for it to have survived?

00:18:18 I disagree with your premise.

00:18:20 Well, then I'd like you to go and research the minimum set, the minimum gene concept,

00:18:26 which has been proven through clinical trials,

00:18:28 and then we can come back to another stream and discuss it.

00:18:31 How's that?

00:18:32 Okay.

00:18:34 I would agree with the rest of science that you can have evolution without having some creator that just may fully pledge men overnight.

00:18:42 You would agree with the rest of science that kind of shows some ignorance, even though I seem to be well-read.

00:18:47 Let me explain.

00:18:49 Because rest of science doesn't mean evolution.

00:18:52 Evolution is one theory that there are scientists that hotly debate, and there are those that disagree with it as well.

00:19:00 I have books here about Darwin's doubt and all that.

00:19:02 but science is a very broad concept the rest of science doesn't talk about evolution science

00:19:08 talks about many things it's a system it's a process you have hypotheses you put them through

00:19:12 tests repeatability placebo effects all these kinds of stuff this what i'm talking about is

00:19:17 something you can prove in a controlled environment evolution is a theory if i'm not mistaken and

00:19:24 interspecies evolution cannot and has never been proven in a controlled environment so it remains

00:19:29 a theory up for debate. Minimum gene concept is something we can prove in a controlled environment,

00:19:36 so science with proof in a controlled environment has proved it, unlike interspecies evolution.

00:19:45 A theory is not like the way people use it in colloquial speech by saying,

00:19:52 oh, I have a theory. It just means an idea. A theory is when you have a bunch of different

00:19:59 facts and bridge principles that tie things together and stand the test of time gravity

00:20:04 is a theory standing we don't doubt it like oh well it's just a theory is a weird phrase to say

00:20:12 hold on let me explain something because i work in the medical device industry i work with clinical

00:20:16 trials all day long so don't think that i'm coming at this without knowing anybody can put forward

00:20:22 a theory in science i can put forward a hypothesis you cannot put forward a theory it can be my

00:20:27 theory right i can say from my testing and from my facts i believe in this this is what i see as to

00:20:34 be how this works somebody else can come and disagree with that until you can prove it in a

00:20:40 controlled environment we take these to be theories right even gravity there are people who debate why

00:20:46 things fall is it for sure is it right so when you have something you can prove in a controlled

00:20:55 the environment that is different from something that you based on certain facts and certain ideas

00:21:02 and certain observations considered to be a theory. This is why I asked you if you knew about the

00:21:08 minimum gene concept and this is why I'm graciously allowing you to go and research it before we come

00:21:13 back to the subject. Good? Okay. Combustion is a theory, gravity is a theory, all kinds of things

00:21:19 are theories that we don't sincerely doubt. They're always open because science has a tool

00:21:25 is not dogmatic.

00:21:27 And so anybody is free to disprove

00:21:29 any theory they wish.

00:21:30 That which we can prove in a clinical trial

00:21:33 in a controlled environment

00:21:35 is very different from that which we cannot.

00:21:38 Now, let me explain that.

00:21:40 For example, Neanderthals. 0.96

00:21:42 When I was in high school,

00:21:44 they taught us that there were primates,

00:21:47 they became Neanderthals, 0.97

00:21:49 then they became human.

00:21:50 That was a theory, right?

00:21:52 Today, evolutionists will tell you,

00:21:54 know neanderthals were a separate species and humanoids were different separate species 0.53

00:21:58 so that theory term because you could not prove it in a controlled environment now

00:22:03 can who told you that people came from neanderthals

00:22:07 so again this is what my science teacher in high school taught us in science books and you can

00:22:14 google it you can look up it had a chart even where you have a primate a neanderthal then a

00:22:19 with a briefcase so you can look these things up and these were taught now when was it's always

00:22:25 been the missing link do you want to go google pro magnans and neanderthals and homo sapiens are

00:22:31 all branched from a common ancestor not from each other well again you can google the charts and

00:22:38 all that i can i mean offline i can send you they don't need to but yeah i'm letting you know

00:22:42 so now when you have something very different like if we take a controlled environment and

00:22:48 we take a certain substance and we say this substance makes that burn up, right? We come

00:22:54 up with that hypothesis, we theorize why, but then we can prove it in a controlled environment

00:23:00 that's very different in science. That's why pharmaceuticals and medical devices go through

00:23:06 that process, animal testing, human testing, and all of that, right? So the minimum gene

00:23:11 concept, unlike the theory of evolution, has been tested through that. Look it up, research

00:23:18 it you're a reader we'll come back and talk about it all right because i don't agree with that

00:23:23 premise at all well i don't like the phrase just a theory because all kinds of things you believe

00:23:30 in are theories like when you light a candle and we say the oxygen bombardment is making bonds with

00:23:37 whatever is being burned again what's the difference there is we can test that in a controlled

00:23:41 environment yeah but we still call it and we have right but there's a difference there when you when

00:23:47 you have repeatability i can take a candle i can make a vacuum with no oxygen all of that

00:23:52 that is very different you can have the heat and everything it won't burn without oxygen exactly

00:23:57 so that's reasonable you're proving my point for me because we can test that we can take the oxygen

00:24:04 away as we say there must be oxygen must be involved somehow in this thing we're calling

00:24:09 fire it's not just the heat and friction and stuff you have to have in a controlled environment

00:24:14 That's something you cannot do

00:24:17 with the theory of interspecies evolution

00:24:19 and you can do

00:24:21 with a minimum gene concept.

00:24:23 Thank you for proving my point.

00:24:26 Okay.

00:24:28 Ryan, there's one thing

00:24:29 that

00:24:30 I want you

00:24:33 to explain.

00:24:35 When we were in Japan, we talked in depth

00:24:37 about the Abrahamic religions

00:24:39 and about how when they

00:24:41 talk about the elites or the people that control the world,

00:24:43 You do believe in demons, correct?

00:24:50 Well, I like that word for them.

00:24:52 Because to me, if there wasn't any devils or gods or djinn or angels or anything,

00:24:59 what would be the most evil thing on earth?

00:25:03 And do you believe that they can...

00:25:05 It would be other people, right?

00:25:07 Yeah.

00:25:08 To me, the epitome of evil is an evil person.

00:25:11 i'm sorry so do you believe in demons or you don't believe in humans non-human well i just like the

00:25:17 like i believe i call people demonic or satanic i don't actually think there's like some ghost-like 0.99

00:25:23 entity possessing them or anything i just think they're an asshole that's all okay i do think 0.99

00:25:30 what i call a demon is a damaged mind and so you might say you don't think the brain is the mind 0.99

00:25:36 you think the spirit is in the brain or something so you can think it's a demon if you want

00:25:40 i think the mind and the brain are one's a product of the other and so when you have a damaged mind

00:25:49 or you might say damaged spirit that's a demon when somebody's mind is messed up enough to enjoy

00:25:57 raping a child for example like there are people that get off on that something is deeply wrong 0.95

00:26:03 with them something's wrong with their brain but you don't believe in like

00:26:09 supernatural demons

00:26:12 if there were no people on earth

00:26:16 there would not be good and evil

00:26:17 and even in

00:26:20 the Christian and Muslim faith

00:26:22 if you don't have knowledge of good and evil

00:26:24 there isn't a good and evil

00:26:25 that's a special quality of people

00:26:28 have the ability to reason

00:26:29 again

00:26:31 please don't speak for the Muslim faith

00:26:34 because with even your good reading

00:26:36 in fact

00:26:38 we do believe there was good and evil before there were people there was a belief of jinn who

00:26:42 had good and evil and they had facade they used to kill and things so so don't speak for us i

00:26:47 appreciate that now when you say good and evil that that's an interesting concept i do want to

00:26:52 know how do you define good and evil you i'm not the one that defines good and evil that is a

00:27:01 societal thing oh so if society considers something to be good then it's good no so is there any

00:27:09 there's a lot of things that for example there's some things that just about every society agrees

00:27:15 on not raping children or things like that but there's other things like well i would have again

00:27:19 whatever maybe you don't believe in eating pig i would i don't believe i would disagree with you

00:27:24 there are i mean if you go to the bible and you find about the rapes that happen in you know the

00:27:30 old testament uh you know so i mean let's not even but but i would say do you say what society

00:27:37 defines as good is good and what society defines as so if tomorrow all of society came in together

00:27:43 and agreed that it was good to rape children would that mean it's good no i'm not talking

00:27:49 about what ought to be i'm talking about what is what what a society defines as good we can 0.98

00:27:56 disagree with it but it's going to be done but is it good

00:27:59 no every society is going to make mistakes about what's good okay so that means that's why they

00:28:07 change cultures evolve over time as well like look we used to think slavery was okay including

00:28:12 in islam we now society's not no no no no no we never have yes yes we have again please don't 1.00

00:28:19 speak for us you can ask and i'll explain well they practiced slavery for over a thousand years

00:28:23 and didn't have a problem with it.

00:28:24 They also have a divine right of kings,

00:28:26 don't have a problem with monarchy.

00:28:28 That's not a denial of a thing.

00:28:30 That was a cultural thing.

00:28:31 You say, well, that wasn't God.

00:28:32 That was the people,

00:28:33 and they just got it wrong.

00:28:34 Once again,

00:28:35 if you're going to ask about Islam,

00:28:37 then we're going to do the Quran, 0.97

00:28:38 we're going to go to the Surah.

00:28:39 If you're going to ask about history,

00:28:40 Islamic countries had slaves. 0.86

00:28:44 That is true.

00:28:45 But when you say Islam,

00:28:46 that is very different from Islamic. 0.98

00:28:48 Islamic countries have corruption. 1.00

00:28:50 Christian countries have homosexuality. 1.00

00:28:51 that doesn't mean christianity allows it so watch your what you're ascribing to okay but let's not

00:28:58 get off the subject i wanted i asked you what is good and what is evil and you said what society

00:29:03 deems is that your definition of good and evil what society deems as good is good no and what

00:29:09 society deem as evil is evil what's good and what's wrong and what's right is different than

00:29:16 good and evil. What's right is what's true. What's good is a decision that we make based

00:29:25 on our own reason and empathy. Is stealing evil? Yes, I believe taxes are evil. I like

00:29:36 how you use humor to get out of the question. It doesn't get out of the question. Like stealing

00:29:40 is wrong. But I can think of a situation where I can think of some situations where it's

00:29:45 not the question is why is it wrong why is it evil what is the harm you're producing on other

00:29:53 people ah so if you produce harm on other people that's evil no you're making a specific into

00:30:02 something broad look again what's good and what's evil there's a question the example is stealing

00:30:12 You asked why stealing is wrong

00:30:14 And I said because of the harm you're producing to other people

00:30:16 Then you jumped to so you can't do any harm to any people

00:30:18 I can do harm to people

00:30:20 I can do harm to somebody bad

00:30:22 I can stop a thief

00:30:24 I can harm somebody who's trying to steal

00:30:26 From someone else

00:30:28 That doesn't seem harm itself

00:30:30 Isn't doesn't what is not what

00:30:32 Constitutes it

00:30:33 You have to have a context

00:30:35 There's not any hypocrisy there

00:30:37 Hold on let me speak

00:30:39 I'll let you speak

00:30:40 is you said stealing is evil and the reason you gave for that is that it harms and then you said

00:30:47 some harms are not evil who makes that decision do you not see the difference between a subset of

00:30:55 a category in the broad category did you hear my question i did did you hear my response

00:31:01 that wasn't a response

00:31:03 the question is

00:31:05 who makes that distinction

00:31:07 of this harm being evil

00:31:10 and this harm not being evil

00:31:12 all of our judgments about good and evil

00:31:14 are made by us

00:31:15 so we decide what's good and evil

00:31:19 yeah because that whole concept

00:31:22 of a good or evil is from people

00:31:24 okay so for example a crusader 0.95

00:31:26 that says that raping and killing 0.97

00:31:28 here in the holy land 0.98

00:31:31 for example, for a crusade or a holy cause, or a terrorist from ISIS

00:31:35 saying that you can rape and steal, but they deem that to be good.

00:31:39 Is it good? I would disagree with them and say it isn't good,

00:31:43 but they think it's good. So then you would say

00:31:46 you end up in a situation of might makes what is.

00:31:50 So then might determines good and evil. No, might just determines

00:31:55 what's going to happen. So in the end, then you're saying

00:31:59 that good and evil are all subjective to people's own opinions.

00:32:03 So if society decides that it's good to have slaves, then it's good.

00:32:08 And if society decides it's evil to have slaves, then it's evil.

00:32:11 Is that your premise?

00:32:14 If a society decides to have slaves, there will be slavery.

00:32:18 I'm being descriptive.

00:32:18 Is it good?

00:32:19 I'm not asking whether it will happen.

00:32:22 Again, you're jumping from whether it's good or not.

00:32:25 No, I'm not.

00:32:25 I'm not saying if society decides to raise children, it will happen.

00:32:29 okay there were people who we like for example i'll give you another example because we don't

00:32:34 have slaves anymore there are a lot of people that circumcise their sons i think that's just 0.99

00:32:41 genital mutilation and horrible why would you cut off a piece of someone's penis it's crazy 0.96

00:32:45 but i don't think the people that are doing that hate their children or acting in some benevolent 0.99

00:32:52 like benevolent way like oh i want to do this i'm going to harm you i'm going to cut off a piece of 0.99

00:32:57 dick in their head because of their faith or whatever they think this is a necessary thing 1.00

00:33:03 and that they're helping their child and so it's not like that person's evil that person's stupid 1.00

00:33:10 and there's a difference okay now regarding circumcision that's why i said what's right 0.89

00:33:16 is what's true and there's a difference between your judgment of what you think like is your

00:33:21 basis on what you're thinking is good based on reality and truth or some sort of dogmatic fiction

00:33:28 would you like an answer well i'm using the royal you not you personally i'm saying

00:33:37 that's why i asked that you want to answer okay yeah so now now once again um when we talk about

00:33:43 you talked about good and evil and i still haven't got a definition of what defines good and evil

00:33:50 what society decides will be will be sure if society decides that we're going to kill children

00:33:55 they will kill them but that doesn't make it good or evil right so if you're if you're saying that

00:34:01 you believe for example that circumcision is is wrong and somebody else believes that there's

00:34:07 health benefit it's cleaner it's better so now there is no good and evil which which kind of

00:34:13 blows my mind because then there is a true and not true okay and it is not true that it is a

00:34:19 health benefit or any of those things, which makes them incorrect.

00:34:21 I would disagree with you there. Again, who defines true and not true? There are studies,

00:34:26 I have some, that were done out of Imam Sa'ud University that shows that circumcision does. 1.00

00:34:29 A few billion Asians that don't get circumcised and they're not all running around with urinary 0.64

00:34:34 crack infections. Once again, that's very unscientific for you to say that.

00:34:37 No, it isn't at all. Because many things, many things that do not happen from a billion people

00:34:42 walking around doing, a billion people smoke, but we can say that smoking does cause many forms

00:34:47 of cancer right exactly so when you look at a clinical trial where you take a controlled

00:34:53 population you have a population that is circumcised one that's not and then you look 0.98

00:34:57 at how many diseases who gets and what type of disease what type of infections that

00:35:02 happened to it as in a billion christians are whatever that's not scientific that's just

00:35:09 childish right so there are studies that were done that there are studies that were done that

00:35:14 show the benefits of circumcision but that's not even the point here the point here no there is a

00:35:18 point there because the studies being done to promote circumcision you cannot keep science

00:35:24 in a vacuum as if there's no other economic or political incentives to pollute what they're

00:35:28 doing when you have people who have uh medicare then you know that's another line item that they

00:35:35 can check off so every male that's born has to have this procedure done and it's more things

00:35:39 that they can charge to the government and make more money it's quite childish for you to say

00:35:43 Where that doesn't exist, you don't have all these circumcisions.

00:35:47 So it seems like there's a monetary incentive to have this surgery done 0.99

00:35:50 rather than it helping the child in some way to cut off a piece of his penis. 0.99

00:35:55 Once again, that is incorrect. 0.99

00:35:57 It's not a country where they have Medicare.

00:35:59 Because I'm telling you, the studies were done out of Saudi Arabia.

00:36:02 They don't have Medicare.

00:36:04 Circumcision is not done for money to build a government.

00:36:07 Saudi Arabia has a religious belief.

00:36:09 Again, this is a scientific study with a controlled environment,

00:36:13 with controlled groups

00:36:14 it's not about

00:36:15 but your medicare

00:36:17 was just a rant

00:36:18 that was totally off

00:36:19 it was not about medicare

00:36:20 it was not about

00:36:21 billing the government

00:36:21 you're just throwing stuff out

00:36:23 my point is

00:36:25 if somebody believes

00:36:26 this is good

00:36:26 and somebody else

00:36:27 believes this is evil

00:36:28 how do you decide

00:36:30 the benefits of

00:36:35 having foreskin 0.78

00:36:36 again I'm not talking

00:36:37 about circumcision

00:36:38 I'm talking about

00:36:39 generally

00:36:39 weigh that out

00:36:40 and then the

00:36:41 pointlessness of

00:36:42 cutting it off

00:36:43 and you can weight it in truth

00:36:45 and your studies whatever

00:36:47 because you have political biases and religious biases

00:36:49 that come up with a particular answer

00:36:51 and if you have a controlled environment

00:36:54 where you can prove statistically

00:36:55 that infection

00:36:57 like the whole country of Japan or China

00:36:59 or something with all these people

00:37:01 who are not being circumcised 0.74

00:37:02 and do not have all these problems

00:37:04 have you done a scientific study

00:37:07 on infections

00:37:09 caused in Japan

00:37:10 compared to Kuwait for example

00:37:12 What? Infections of what? Your foreskin?

00:37:14 It's like saying, well, if you pull out all your teeth, you'll never have a cavity. 0.95

00:37:19 Exactly.

00:37:20 So if the foreskin being gone saves you from cavity.

00:37:21 You will not have a cavity if you get rid of your teeth.

00:37:25 Exactly.

00:37:26 But you need to chew.

00:37:27 But you don't need foreskin to chew.

00:37:30 And if you won't get an infection by not having the foreskin, then that's a benefit.

00:37:33 Foreskin has a different purpose than your teeth, but it has a purpose.

00:37:36 What's the purpose? 0.99

00:37:38 The purpose of your foreskin is for intercourse. 0.98

00:37:41 you can have intercourse without foreskin majority of your nerve endings or any foreskin a lot of 0.78

00:37:46 people with erectile dysfunction when they're older is because they do not have the same sense 0.97

00:37:50 of sensation that they would have if they had their entire penis where did you get that statistic 0.73

00:37:55 do you want to look up the nerve endings that exist in the foreskin you said the majority of 0.85

00:38:00 people with ed at the older age because they don't have this where did you get this from

00:38:03 is there a clinical study you can cite or you just made that up i don't have one right like

00:38:09 oh let me go get this i didn't know i was going to be talking about circumcision out of the blue

00:38:13 my question to you that you're running from is if you have the majority of the nerve endings that 0.99

00:38:19 produce pleasure for your dick and your foreskin and you remove that it will be harder to get an 0.99

00:38:24 erection i think the bigger question that i haven't uh heard an answer from ryan is is who decides 0.99

00:38:31 what's good and evil if if you can't if are you saying that people it's up to an individual to

00:38:37 decide good and evil for themselves because that's

00:38:39 when

00:38:39 people end up doing satanic things like

00:38:43 circumcision, for example, or

00:38:45 doing evil. Circumcision

00:38:47 came from religion. Nobody dreamed 1.00

00:38:49 up cutting off baby days until somebody

00:38:51 put that in a holy scripture.

00:38:53 I'm curious to what your

00:38:54 view... You can't burn a witch if you don't

00:38:57 think witches are real.

00:39:00 So a lot of

00:39:01 these problems come from their own fantasies.

00:39:03 Well, that person is practicing magic and stuff.

00:39:05 If you don't believe in witches, then you don't believe in witches.

00:39:07 You're just running now.

00:39:08 Because witches aren't there. 1.00

00:39:09 This is pretty sad.

00:39:09 I expected better.

00:39:11 Who decides good and evil?

00:39:14 We do.

00:39:16 That's just how it is.

00:39:17 I know you want to have some objective, authoritarian source of what's right and wrong.

00:39:23 Who's we?

00:39:25 Yes, people.

00:39:27 So if somebody decides that a satanic ritual killing a child is good, you would say then that's good? 0.98

00:39:34 No, because I am not them.

00:39:36 So everybody has their own morale.

00:39:38 So if they feel that this is good, then it's okay.

00:39:42 Are you the decider?

00:39:43 You are being childish now.

00:39:46 Really?

00:39:46 Am I?

00:39:47 So if somebody believes that killing children...

00:39:49 What is the alternative to you're not allowed to think for yourself to determine what's right and wrong?

00:39:55 As to what?

00:39:55 Follow the book?

00:39:56 You're jumping, right?

00:39:57 Look, you're jumping to my alternative because you don't have an answer, right?

00:40:01 No, you don't understand my answer

00:40:03 I can decide what's right and wrong

00:40:05 Based on my own reason and empathy 0.90

00:40:07 I don't want to rape and kill

00:40:09 I don't need a cosmic babysitter 0.77

00:40:12 To tell me that stealing is wrong

00:40:14 Or killing people is wrong

00:40:15 Everyone can determine that on their own

00:40:17 If Jeffrey Epstein

00:40:20 Was to determine on his own

00:40:22 That it is okay

00:40:23 Then between your okay and his okay

00:40:25 Who's right?

00:40:26 Because you're both, I'm hoping

00:40:29 On an opposing spectrum of that 0.98

00:40:30 if he believed it's okay to rape a child and you believe it's not which one is good and evil 0.91

00:40:36 silence mine is good because i am we are a determined society not to rape children 0.97

00:40:45 mine is good and his is evil that's your answer seriously that's your answer too my religion is

00:40:51 right the rest of the wrong it's look look look look again you're jumping to me because you know 0.95

00:40:57 you couldn't answer that question i answered that question raping children's wrong because that's 0.62

00:41:03 what i've decided was that the question he would say the opposite right jeffrey epstein was like

00:41:07 oh it's okay okay you asked me what i think i think he's wrong i'm right the question there is

00:41:14 he would think he's right and you're wrong yes he would end which one is so that means there's

00:41:21 no good and evil it's whatever you think oh no there's somebody thinks something we just have

00:41:26 different opinions on what is good and what is evil see again there's a fortunately most people

00:41:31 agree with me and locked him up and put him in jail for raping kids well he didn't kill himself

00:41:36 in jail so he definitely had somebody else that was uh anyway i don't know i helped uncover that

00:41:43 epstein ring more than anybody appreciate we appreciate that from you so once again if we say

00:41:49 there is no good and evil it's everybody's own opinions if somebody no there's not a there's

00:41:56 still good and evil it's just not objective there isn't a way to be like well this guy got all the

00:42:00 answers right we should follow that person so once again this is something that's hashed out

00:42:05 through discussion and lots of other things you don't have like not killing people is a pretty 0.84

00:42:10 dumb example because almost every society whether it's secular religious or not has decided not to 0.94

00:42:17 kill people it's in their own interest they could be definitely disagree with that they don't want 0.98

00:42:21 That happens, so they're not going to do that. 0.91

00:42:22 Almost every society finds reasons to kill people.

00:42:26 You can see Ukraine.

00:42:27 You can see Palestine.

00:42:29 You can see the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:42:32 Almost every society finds a reason to justify killing people.

00:42:36 That is a fascinating thing because every society has laws against murder,

00:42:41 and yet the government is above it.

00:42:44 Exactly.

00:42:45 That is exactly my point, that every society says it's wrong to kill people,

00:42:50 but then they determine when it's okay and if russia determines it's okay to kill look i'm not

00:42:56 trying to defend the middle east you're you think as if i'm here to defend the middle east no

00:42:59 if the problem is again you have you have fallen in your own trap here because no you think we

00:43:05 are all muslim that killing would stop and governments wouldn't still attack each other 0.98

00:43:09 did i say that i'm asking you that did i say okay so so this is the problem we're not

00:43:15 finish with the idea of good and evil, right?

00:43:18 As you were saying,

00:43:20 that if somebody believes something is good,

00:43:22 then it's good.

00:43:23 And if somebody believes it's evil, it's evil.

00:43:26 Then when society says it's okay to...

00:43:27 One person doesn't get to say

00:43:29 what is good for everything.

00:43:32 It is a belief.

00:43:34 You don't have objectivity

00:43:36 on something that's subjective.

00:43:40 Okay.

00:43:40 So if somebody believes, as a society...

00:43:43 I cannot say chicken is good.

00:43:45 I might like it. Others don't. It's a subjective thing.

00:43:49 That is something we battle out between each other all the time.

00:43:52 And it doesn't matter whether you're religious or not.

00:43:54 You can have different sex. You have different interpretations.

00:43:57 Would you say killing people is good or evil?

00:44:03 Depends on who's being killed.

00:44:07 See? Now, here when we talk about things like the death penalty, is it good or is it evil?

00:44:15 That one I disagree with because of the – at least in the United States.

00:44:21 You believe it's evil?

00:44:22 Because I think – well, I don't have a problem with killing somebody that's killed people.

00:44:27 My problem is the judicial system where somebody –

00:44:31 So if somebody believes –

00:44:32 They're forced to go through all the appeals and court processes anyway just for the sake of a lot of people getting money off of a – like it's a product.

00:44:41 where I think whoever was wrong 1.00

00:44:44 should just kill them. 1.00

00:44:46 So now your belief is contrary to, 1.00

00:44:50 for example, the majority of the states in America,

00:44:53 at least Texas, I know, right?

00:44:55 So now this whole society there

00:44:57 with lots of people...

00:44:58 I think Texas does have a death penalty. 0.84

00:45:00 That's what I'm saying.

00:45:01 Your belief that death penalty

00:45:03 in the United States is wrong

00:45:05 is against that majority.

00:45:08 So they think this is good.

00:45:09 No, they don't even discuss what I just said. 0.59

00:45:12 They're just deciding whether or not it's right to kill someone or not kill someone.

00:45:16 I don't have a problem with killing a bad person.

00:45:19 I have a problem with the way it's processed and how expensive it is.

00:45:23 Okay, so those countries that do not believe in the death penalty at all,

00:45:27 and they believe it's evil, even if it's a bad person,

00:45:31 between you and them now, good and evil is different.

00:45:33 And that's a whole society, right?

00:45:35 Yep.

00:45:35 So who's right and who's wrong?

00:45:37 Who's evil and who's good?

00:45:38 I mean, there is no good and evil.

00:45:39 It's subjective to everybody's own opinions.

00:45:42 If that society...

00:45:43 No, it just means good and evil is subjective.

00:45:44 That's all it means.

00:45:45 No one says evil doesn't exist.

00:45:47 We all think there is an evil.

00:45:48 We just disagree about what it is.

00:45:50 Well, I mean, there are people that I've spoken to that believe there's no such thing as evil,

00:45:54 and it's all just...

00:45:55 Anything could be good and evil, but that's all different. 0.98

00:45:57 Then hit them and see what they think. 0.99

00:45:59 Yeah, well... 1.00

00:46:01 If you don't believe in evil, then kick them in the nuts. 1.00

00:46:03 Like, was that wrong? 1.00

00:46:04 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:04 i mean there are people that asked buddhists actually that said you know for me to defend

00:46:10 myself even if you hit me would be wrong and if you hit me that was part of my whatever so it's

00:46:15 nothing wrong with it but that's not my question to you now that gets to be is like is yeah jainism

00:46:20 there you go um now if we have no subjective good and evil and every society comes up with

00:46:28 their own laws and ideas of good and evil then that would mean if the society tomorrow comes

00:46:33 together and decides that that you know homosexuality is good then it would become good 1.00

00:46:39 because this whole society has come together to agree on that gay marriage you know many states

00:46:45 i think majority in the u.s now allow it does that mean it's good you see you fell apart right there

00:46:51 i mean i've said this like 20 times whether or not the society decides is good doesn't mean it's

00:47:01 good it just means that's what it's going to happen okay so that would mean right so if there's

00:47:06 a society that has a death penalty and another one that doesn't have the death penalty they are

00:47:10 just going to disagree about what they think is evil and that's how it is okay so that means there

00:47:16 is no good and evil because whatever people's ideas are defining right so if there's a good

00:47:23 and evil there just isn't an objective way to decide which one is correct so again that would

00:47:29 mean we have no measuring stick right we have nowhere to determine that if somebody a person

00:47:34 decides it's good to rape children you're saying then that's it that's become good to them right 0.93

00:47:42 and it's european but he doesn't live in a world all by himself because the children don't like 0.99

00:47:47 being in a world in a world if and in a world that majority goes saying homosexuality is good 0.73

00:47:55 then would you say that your

00:47:57 minority view that gay marriage

00:47:59 is wrong is wrong because we don't live

00:48:01 in a world by ourselves

00:48:02 obviously whatever my own

00:48:07 view is is my view because that's

00:48:09 what I believe is right and wrong

00:48:10 it doesn't matter to me what society

00:48:13 says but I am still going to have to

00:48:15 obey society's laws or they are physically

00:48:17 going to put me in a cage

00:48:18 obeying laws isn't the question here

00:48:20 it just means that there is no definition

00:48:22 of good and evil with you

00:48:24 right anything can be good and anything can be evil including the exact same action

00:48:34 i have my own moral code for what i think is right or wrong but i am not king of the universe and i

00:48:39 do not make everybody follow what i think right so i am going to have to through conversation

00:48:45 whatever i can try and influence people say hey you shouldn't do that you ought to do this

00:48:50 but that is just where we live i mean that is how it is you can talk about well it shouldn't be that

00:48:56 way guess what it is we do have societies that decide stuff is right that maybe you and i are

00:49:01 like that's up we shouldn't do that but hey they're gonna and we have even within you know the same

00:49:09 areas you can look contrast the past with the present there are things that we find very

00:49:13 abhorrent now that were okay in the past and it wasn't like the people doing them

00:49:20 thought it was wrong but did it anyway they honestly didn't even think it was wrong

00:49:25 so that action then is it good is it evil so i would say to figure out the best path to figure

00:49:35 out what is good since you don't want to fall into cultural relativism is to find out what is true

00:49:42 and so for example when a baby's born it has a little piece of the umbilical cord still on it

00:49:49 you shouldn't just tear that off we know that now uh because you can actually cause infection you

00:49:54 can harm the baby now you could have a society of leading some voodoo whatever that just they 0.60

00:50:00 burned it off or whatever and a lot of their kids would die now you can say even within your own

00:50:06 society's moral value set you value life more than death right so you don't want to do things

00:50:12 that will cause someone to die and so they agree yeah they want the kid to live you want the kid

00:50:17 to live okay well is your action causing that to happen right letting it fall off is better than

00:50:23 pulling it off right and that's something you say you can clinically test that or whatever you can

00:50:27 just figure that out so you can say tearing it off is wrong because it doesn't match reality

00:50:35 you can say well it's ugly and it's not piece of the baby we're just gonna rip it off you 0.77

00:50:38 whatever what your reason was guess what it doesn't match the truth the truth is doing that

00:50:44 will harm the child every time but more often than if you just let it fall off and so when

00:50:49 you're trying to figure out what's correct or not it should be tied to the truth now you can't

00:50:55 always have the truth you can't have more simple things and that's like well we don't know what

00:51:00 the limits of that is either that's why we're constantly expanding our knowledge of science

00:51:05 philosophies and so on so that we can gather more truth so we can have better ideas that are more

00:51:11 correct you want your good tied to truth if your good isn't tied to truth eventually like you can

00:51:18 think whatever you but you will be incorrect and that's what i say is bad and then if you're

00:51:24 knowingly doing bad then it's evil so let's use that system and your system about what looking

00:51:32 a truth and tell me is abortion good or evil it's good because the majority of people getting 0.86

00:51:39 abortions are democrats so it ends up being a net positive and i don't know that to be a fact

00:51:46 first off i think it's an assumption but secondly um you didn't answer the question you just used

00:51:52 the joke to kind of jump away from it that's not a joke if more democrats are not born that is a

00:51:57 that positive for society.

00:52:00 Those children could have ended up being

00:52:01 Republicans, Democrats, Independents.

00:52:04 You don't really know. Most likely you are

00:52:05 what your parents are.

00:52:09 That's really your answer.

00:52:11 Come on.

00:52:14 Okay, let's say

00:52:15 that they weren't going to be Democrats.

00:52:17 Okay, they might all live, but they're going to grow up

00:52:19 to be Democrats and end up doing more

00:52:21 harm than if they just died as a baby.

00:52:25 That's not right.

00:52:26 Okay, well, then how about abortion?

00:52:27 for non-democrats yeah i i think um i'm against abortion i don't believe it's a baby but i

00:52:39 believe it's supposed to be a baby like you could say well that's a fetus and that's an embryo and

00:52:44 i agree like a fetus is not a baby an embryo is not a baby but it has a teleology right like if

00:52:50 i went and destroyed all the acorns technically i didn't cut down any oak trees but you know

00:52:56 that one comes from the other and so i don't think you people should be getting abortions 0.84

00:53:02 unless there's some weird circumstance right like you're going to kill the mom or something but

00:53:07 that's almost never the case like 90 something plus percent of abortions are people just lazy 0.99

00:53:13 and using it as birth control so it's bad evil i think so but i don't think the people getting

00:53:20 them think the way i do so using your truth and you didn't come up with an answer because you just

00:53:27 said i think so and they don't right so your system didn't give us an answer well that is how

00:53:33 it is isn't it so then you don't have does that not match reality that i can think is wrong and

00:53:38 people do them anyway but then that's the point that's the point it's not whether they can do it

00:53:44 or not whether it's good or evil and you said we've tied to the truth and we tried but then

00:53:49 And with abortion, you didn't have anything.

00:53:51 It's just what you think.

00:53:53 Somebody else may think it's not a baby, it's not a fetus, it's embryo right now, and this, and I can do it.

00:53:58 Would you like to explain the alternative to where it is not what I think?

00:54:02 I mean, I'm going to think either I'm going to be for it or against it, right?

00:54:05 Or indifferent, I guess.

00:54:06 It's still going to be what it is.

00:54:08 You being for or against something doesn't mean it's good or evil, right?

00:54:12 Right, but it just shows what I think is evil or not.

00:54:17 Exactly.

00:54:17 I personally would not get an abortion

00:54:20 but somebody else may

00:54:24 somebody else think I'm too young to have a kid

00:54:26 it's going to ruin my life

00:54:27 I won't be able to take care of this

00:54:28 whatever goes through their head

00:54:30 that's their decision

00:54:32 so that means you cannot give an answer

00:54:35 whether abortion is good or evil

00:54:37 it's just whether your opinion is good

00:54:39 and somebody else's

00:54:41 I don't have enough confidence in my opinion

00:54:44 to tell other people what they ought to do

00:54:46 with their reproductive organs and stuff. 1.00

00:54:47 I'm just saying I wouldn't do it.

00:54:50 But then you have no answer whether it's good or evil.

00:54:54 Well, I wouldn't do it.

00:54:56 That's not an answer.

00:54:58 I wouldn't drink green broccoli juice.

00:55:02 I think it ends up being good

00:55:03 because of what I said about Democrats.

00:55:08 That's just running from an answer.

00:55:09 That's just making a funny...

00:55:11 Anyway.

00:55:14 So.

00:55:14 So, I mean, but what's the point?

00:55:17 Like, you think abortion is bad, I assume?

00:55:19 So do I?

00:55:20 So what?

00:55:22 It sounds like you think it's evil.

00:55:24 Right?

00:55:26 I believe taking human life is evil.

00:55:29 I think it's wrong.

00:55:30 I don't think it's evil, because I don't think the people doing it see it that way.

00:55:35 What do you think about abortion?

00:55:38 I got you.

00:55:39 whether somebody sees something to be good or bad to me does not define it to

00:55:44 be good or bad right to me I believe that there is a creator and that creator

00:55:50 has sent us guidance I believe in the prophets being true prophets I believe

00:55:55 that that guidance divinely not up to my subjective ideas tells us that a child

00:56:03 and like you said unless the mother's life is in danger because the Quran

00:56:07 tells us to save a life and so on, then it would be incorrect to abort a baby because

00:56:13 that is what our Creator has told us. I believe stealing is wrong. And I don't believe stealing

00:56:19 is wrong because it's my opinion. I believe stealing is wrong because the Divine Creator

00:56:23 has told us it's wrong. Now, I want to ask you a question because I see you're well read.

00:56:29 You know, do you believe the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, wrote the Quran?

00:56:37 I think the Quran probably has

00:56:42 multiple authors

00:56:43 okay that's interesting

00:56:45 so if there were multiple

00:56:48 authors would they not

00:56:50 take credit for their work

00:56:51 why

00:56:56 if you wrote

00:56:59 if you do that

00:57:00 then it undermines the work

00:57:01 okay so let's say you came up

00:57:04 the bible it's not like oh what's the author's

00:57:06 named uh mark you know well it's not the same with the bible because the bible is not the words of

00:57:12 god and even christian bible is much older so they can't document it the way you can islam 1.00

00:57:17 well again being older isn't really the issue the fact that you have anonymous authors and so on and

00:57:22 you have no connectivity and the earliest greek manuscripts are from fourth century that's the

00:57:26 issue but that's not the point here if you were to write an amazing work that you were going to

00:57:31 challenge all of society they couldn't come up with anything like it would you not take credit

00:57:36 for that? Or would you at least

00:57:38 not say, this was revealed to

00:57:40 me?

00:57:41 I would credit a rainbow frog or

00:57:44 a spinning squirrel.

00:57:46 Really? The sneaker knows what I'm

00:57:48 talking about.

00:57:50 I've made amazing work anonymously

00:57:52 because of the pushback that you're

00:57:54 going to get for it.

00:57:57 So,

00:57:57 if you would make it anonymous,

00:58:00 why would somebody ascribe it to the Prophet

00:58:02 Muhammad getting revelation? 0.91

00:58:06 No, I just think people added on to what a great man made with something.

00:58:10 And people are going to add.

00:58:13 They have something that has an authoritative source, right?

00:58:16 And it also is political because it sets up the political system of the sultans and the divine rule.

00:58:22 And so there's a temptation there of any government.

00:58:25 Oh, yeah.

00:58:26 And he said this, too.

00:58:27 I'm sorry.

00:58:28 Where in the Quran does it mention sultans?

00:58:32 You don't have monarchy in the Quran?

00:58:34 You do not.

00:58:36 i'm shocked that you don't know this where in the quran does it talk about a representative

00:58:40 democracy where people vote i'm sorry where's monarchy in the quran here can you hand me a

00:58:46 quran give me that one right there this one right here perfect yeah 1.00

00:58:56 here's my quran please feel free to google it and let me know where there is monarchy in the quran

00:59:02 I'm waiting

00:59:06 You want me to Google monarchy in the Quran?

00:59:11 No, no, you said the Quran sets up monarchy in sultans

00:59:14 I'm asking you to give me evidence for what you said

00:59:17 Your statement should have some evidence

00:59:20 You can't just make wild claims, right?

00:59:23 So you said the Quran sets up sultans 0.54

00:59:25 So there's no divine right of kings in the Quran?

00:59:27 There are no kings in the Quran, no

00:59:29 Oh, this is the better thing you should have asked to begin with.

00:59:33 We don't have monarchy in the Quran.

00:59:35 We don't have divine right of kings in the Quran.

00:59:37 Kingship is not an Islamic method of governance.

00:59:40 There's no system of government in the Quran?

00:59:42 There are, but it's not a kingdom, and it's not a monarchy, and it's not a sultanate.

00:59:48 In fact, the Islamic method of governance is the most qualified, should be given bay'ah, and put in leadership.

00:59:55 It has nothing to do with your father being king.

00:59:58 If you didn't know that and you claimed this in the Qur'an, I feel quite disappointed in you making statements about the Qur'an without evidence.

01:00:07 I'm just looking at historically they always had monarchs.

01:00:10 Once again, that is not true.

01:00:14 Historically you're also incorrect.

01:00:16 For example, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman, Ali, they were not monarchs.

01:00:20 Their children did not become kings after them.

01:00:23 You're wrong. Historically you're wrong.

01:00:25 There have been Muslim kings

01:00:28 There have been Christian kings

01:00:29 There have been Jewish kings

01:00:30 There have been atheist kings

01:00:31 I'm not talking about that

01:00:32 But you said in the Quran

01:00:34 And now you've been caught

01:00:35 Christianity has the divine right of kings

01:00:38 Are we talking about Christianity, Sinko? 0.96

01:00:41 No, we're not

01:00:41 Did he say the Quran?

01:00:43 You brought up the example of Jews and Christian and atheist kings

01:00:46 You said in the Quran

01:00:48 There's a political sultanate system of monarchy

01:00:51 I'm just asking you to provide me a verse

01:00:53 or any evidence, and I'm allowing you to Google it if you like.

01:00:58 Helpline, call a friend. It's okay.

01:01:00 I'm right here. Show it to me.

01:01:06 I'm not going to argue with you about the Koran. 0.95

01:01:09 I'm going to argue about history.

01:01:09 Thank you. So your statement earlier was incorrect.

01:01:13 So there's no political system in the Koran other than what you said,

01:01:17 people of merit are supposed to govern?

01:01:20 Go ahead.

01:01:21 first thing even the khilafah and how it's set up it's not in the Quran right

01:01:26 yes the Quran talks about the prophets it talks about the the great work that

01:01:34 they did some of them there were leaders amongst their people some of them were

01:01:39 not like Moses like Yaqub and others there's no kingdom there's no salt in 0.87

01:01:46 there is no monarchy in the quran sorry that statement is factually incorrect right now if

01:01:55 you're going to ask what is the islamic method of governance then looking at history in the time of

01:02:01 the prophet when the prophet was passing away he didn't say my daughter is going to become queen

01:02:07 after me fatima was a lie the other daughters she could have but he didn't that's not islamic 0.96

01:02:13 abu bakar was the most qualified monarchy doesn't have to be hereditary rule

01:02:18 once again a monarchy does have a secession based on either a tribe or a family right

01:02:25 right sometimes it does that's how islam works they looked at the companions they found the 0.96

01:02:33 most qualified and that was abu bakar who was not the child or brother of the prophet sallallahu

01:02:39 and they chose him who is they the muslim umma the sahaba the companions when they came together

01:02:47 after death of the prophet and they consulted i have a series if you want i mean just you know

01:02:53 it's on the one message foundation also about the life of the prophet and when he died peace

01:02:58 and blessings be upon him and who became the leader after him and how he was chosen and i

01:03:02 give references from the books of hadith from the books of history you can go learn so the next time

01:03:07 make a statement the companions decide who's going to be the new queen or king or whatever

01:03:12 yes they will look at the who's the most qualified they will come together and they will elect them

01:03:18 okay so they decided to have a monarchy no it's just not a monarchy because the next person to be

01:03:26 chosen was again not related the next to be chosen doesn't matter whether it's chosen by a council

01:03:35 or whether it's hereditary rule you have a monarchy you have a ruler an authoritarian

01:03:40 ruler that gets to make the laws and is the system of the government again that is once again wrong

01:03:46 but let's see what is a monarchy there's no once again so the monarch and royal family

01:03:54 like you don't have representative government nobody's voting none of that's happening

01:03:59 Again, once again, you do have votes by the leaders of the different communities who come together, like the Electoral College, who have been chosen by their people to represent them, the Ansar, the Muhajirun, for example, who came together, and they put forth names who's the most qualified, and they were chosen.

01:04:21 Very similar to Native American chiefs.

01:04:24 you have a council

01:04:27 and they decide based on merit

01:04:29 who is going to be the governor of whatever

01:04:31 sure, is that a monarchy?

01:04:35 yes

01:04:36 so

01:04:39 if we have people from different parts

01:04:41 of the country

01:04:42 send their representatives together

01:04:45 to choose who's going to be

01:04:47 the next leader, that's a monarchy?

01:04:51 do you have a division

01:04:51 of powers?

01:04:53 of course you do

01:04:54 You have the shura.

01:04:55 You do?

01:04:55 Yes, you do.

01:04:57 You didn't know that?

01:04:57 You have judges, right?

01:04:59 We do.

01:05:00 Not just judges.

01:05:01 Even if the khalifa makes a ruling against the Quran,

01:05:05 against the sunnah, against the laws that are there, 0.96

01:05:07 there are people, like we see in the time of Umar, 0.84

01:05:10 in the time of...

01:05:11 Evidences of why it's wrong.

01:05:17 They cut out again.

01:05:18 No, I'm back.

01:05:19 So, you do have your checks and balances, of course.

01:05:22 you have khulafah that were taken out of power

01:05:25 there are khulafah that were reprimanded

01:05:27 there were leaders

01:05:28 again

01:05:30 I think you haven't studied history properly

01:05:33 for Islamic history anyway

01:05:34 so I would suggest

01:05:35 I've got a series you can watch through it

01:05:37 it gives all the references

01:05:38 you can check them yourself

01:05:40 and then you'll know how it works

01:05:41 but that doesn't come back to why the Quran

01:05:43 you said the Quran

01:05:45 political and sultanate monarchy

01:05:47 that's all been proven wrong

01:05:48 so

01:05:50 So, my question to you, again, is why would some proof of authors...

01:05:56 No, it's not proven wrong.

01:05:57 You just went on a long tangent about how they were elected by the council

01:06:01 instead of it being hereditary rule.

01:06:02 You still ended up with it.

01:06:04 Did our friend here actually say that the Quran has political bias

01:06:08 and assaults in it and a monarchy system?

01:06:11 Yes, because it does.

01:06:12 And you went on and said, well, it wasn't because his son wasn't the new prince.

01:06:17 It was coming from the council.

01:06:18 That's not in the Quran.

01:06:18 Where in the Quran is it?

01:06:21 You said it's in the Quran

01:06:23 I have the Quran

01:06:24 Where in the Quran is the Sultanate?

01:06:27 What political system does the Quran support? 0.97

01:06:30 And you said

01:06:30 Well they have this system of governors

01:06:32 From this council

01:06:34 I think you didn't hear me

01:06:35 I told you the Quran does not say that

01:06:37 Right?

01:06:39 That's not in the Quran

01:06:41 You asked me the Islamic system

01:06:43 Through history

01:06:45 Right?

01:06:46 The history

01:06:47 that you were talking about

01:06:49 is different from the Qur'an.

01:06:50 If you say that's what the Qur'an,

01:06:52 because we're talking about

01:06:52 the authorship of the Qur'an,

01:06:54 then I'm asking you,

01:06:55 where in the Qur'an is the monarchy?

01:06:58 Where in the verse, chapter and verse?

01:07:00 Monarchies predate when Islam was invented, 1.00

01:07:03 so you don't have to say,

01:07:04 oh, let's make it monarchy.

01:07:05 You just have to keep what's already there.

01:07:07 And they just came up with a system

01:07:08 of how we're going to decide

01:07:09 who's going to be the new leader.

01:07:11 Let's hear a non-biased opinion.

01:07:14 Did he say that in the Qur'an,

01:07:16 I'm pretty sure you said that they talked about monarchies

01:07:20 directly in the Quran

01:07:21 It supports the system that results in having

01:07:26 sultans, kings, emperors, whatever

01:07:28 because you did not change from the system of government that existed

01:07:32 before the Quran was written

01:07:33 Once again, that's incorrect because the Arabs had no king

01:07:38 Arab tribes were all 1.00

01:07:40 autonomous, they didn't have an army, they didn't have a king

01:07:44 So, my question to you

01:07:46 Because the Arab tribes were not one country

01:07:49 They had chieftains of different tribes

01:07:51 In different local areas

01:07:52 Exactly

01:07:53 So they didn't just keep a prior system

01:07:55 They didn't have a monarch

01:07:57 The Quraysh didn't have a leader even 0.99

01:07:59 Did you know that?

01:08:01 Again, well you're saying

01:08:03 The Arabs 0.73

01:08:04 So what? Arabs had leaders 0.58

01:08:06 They just didn't all have the same leader

01:08:08 That doesn't matter

01:08:09 Once again, they had no central authority

01:08:12 They don't have the same leader now.

01:08:14 They didn't have a central authority.

01:08:16 Like the kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a king, right?

01:08:20 Yeah, but Saudi Arabia isn't the Arabs, is it? 0.94

01:08:22 It's just some Arabs. 0.98

01:08:22 So the Quraysh, the Quraysh,

01:08:24 at the time of the Prophet,

01:08:26 you're saying he kept the system.

01:08:27 Who was their king before the Prophet?

01:08:31 Every one of those tribes had a leader.

01:08:33 They did not.

01:08:35 Once again, you're wrong.

01:08:36 Please go and research.

01:08:37 The Quraysh had no single leader.

01:08:43 Mecca had no single leader.

01:08:46 Go look it up.

01:08:47 You're wrong.

01:08:48 Historically, you're wrong.

01:08:52 I'm not historically wrong.

01:08:53 Monarchies predated Islam. 1.00

01:08:55 Okay, you said I'm not wrong.

01:08:56 Okay, who was the Quraysh's king?

01:08:58 Who was their leader?

01:08:59 I don't know all the different kings and stuff.

01:09:01 I'm talking about monarchy as a system predates Islam,

01:09:04 which is something they did not decide to change.

01:09:05 Name me an Arab monarch before the time of the Prophet Muhammad.

01:09:12 No, maybe just one.

01:09:15 First of all, Islam isn't just for Arabs.

01:09:18 You were talking about the society that the Prophet Muhammad came in, right?

01:09:22 That they kept their norms.

01:09:23 Islam, to me, historically, is just building off of Christianity. 0.95

01:09:28 It's got the same creation story.

01:09:30 It's got many...

01:09:31 Yes, it does.

01:09:32 What's the Islamic creation story?

01:09:35 I'll let you finish.

01:09:37 Is it not the same as Christianity? 0.90

01:09:39 You have Adam and Eve, right?

01:09:41 You have God in the garden, same story, and they got that from Jews. 1.00

01:09:46 And Jews borrowed that from previous mythologies, some Zoroastrian and some Greek. 0.97

01:09:52 It's not real, but it's something in there as if it was like an historical truth.

01:09:58 So they're borrowing off a system that does have the divine right of kings.

01:10:01 They had, you know, well, they had their period of judges.

01:10:04 Yes, Jews had their period of judges and stuff.

01:10:06 Those are still kings.

01:10:08 And they had a monarchy.

01:10:09 And they had divine rule.

01:10:10 Islam inherits this, they do not change this 1.00

01:10:13 and it doesn't matter if all the Arabs didn't have one leader

01:10:16 and it doesn't matter if they didn't select them hereditarily or not

01:10:19 they kept the same system

01:10:20 Jews had a whole bunch of different systems

01:10:30 but they always had some kind of monarchy

01:10:32 they did not have a king of all Jews

01:10:38 Jews copied a story, an Exodus story of Hyksos in Egypt that they adopted as their own.

01:10:45 But Jews are from Western Jordan.

01:10:47 They came about 500 years after the people, their claims of being exiled out of Egypt and going right through the Red Sea is not historical.

01:10:55 King David, although it is a monarchy and a king, is not a real person.

01:10:59 King David is a character like King Arthur, that they can believe he was a king, but there's no archaeology or anything to back up a King David or a King Solomon.

01:11:11 But even in their mythology, they still have kings.

01:11:14 They even have a kingdom of heaven.

01:11:16 It's always a kingdom.

01:11:17 It's always the only system they knew.

01:11:20 Christians come and they adopt the same thing. 0.98

01:11:22 They're not going to get rid of kings.

01:11:24 And there is, and of course the Romans are going to look at the advantages of monotheism, concentrating the wealth under one roof, whereas polytheism, you have to compete between different city-states and different gods and goddesses.

01:11:39 You can consolidate the wealth, build a massive army, and it becomes a campaign of kill, convert, and collect.

01:11:46 it was beneficial

01:11:49 to the government systems

01:11:51 to have monotheism because it

01:11:53 propped up the justification for its

01:11:55 existence. Why do I get to be

01:11:57 the king? Because God said so.

01:12:01 Before that, the pharaohs said they were

01:12:03 God themselves. Like, oh, I'm not

01:12:05 even representing God. I am God.

01:12:08 And enough people

01:12:09 believed that and went along with it, and they

01:12:11 got the rule. Now, for a

01:12:13 long time, it definitely was hereditary rule.

01:12:15 And over in Europe, it was hereditary rule, and if they didn't heir a son, they would find some cousin or marry some other royal family or find some loophole around it.

01:12:24 The council system is better.

01:12:26 It's still a monarchy.

01:12:30 Just waiting for you.

01:12:32 Well, you asked me if there was any other authors other than Muhammad, and I think, yeah, governments probably added their own.

01:12:40 Because the only need is one window of power where they can insert things.

01:12:44 And you're like, wouldn't you take credit for it and be anonymous?

01:12:46 No, because the purpose of it isn't to get credit for writing something.

01:12:49 It's to control the public.

01:12:52 So you're saying because the Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad,

01:12:56 who was around the Quraysh, peace and blessings be upon him,

01:12:58 or around the Arab, that there was a...

01:13:00 I mean, I don't understand you think it was revealed to him.

01:13:03 I think he just wrote it.

01:13:04 Can I speak?

01:13:05 I listened to you that whole time. Can I speak?

01:13:07 I listened to you for a long time before that.

01:13:09 Oh, all right. I'll let you finish.

01:13:11 I understand you think it was a divine revelation.

01:13:14 And I disagree. I think a smart person just wrote some books.

01:13:18 Okay, so who's that smart person?

01:13:20 Why would that smart person not take credit?

01:13:22 Why would he let another illiterate man take all that credit 0.91

01:13:25 and be raised as the prophet of God and have authority?

01:13:28 Why would that smart person not be like,

01:13:30 hey, I'm going to pull these powers?

01:13:32 And who's that smart person? Let me know then.

01:13:34 Muhammad couldn't, peace be upon him, couldn't read or write. 1.00

01:13:38 Okay, so who's that smart person that you believe wrote it?

01:13:41 Which is funny, because earlier you said there was a group,

01:13:43 and now you're saying a smart person so that's kind of a contradiction right there but

01:13:46 first thing is you said the quran talks i don't think a group came together and created the quran

01:13:52 it starts with one author and then other people add to it i've said that the whole time

01:13:57 i don't think it was revealed from god a lot of it they just built off the bible they have the

01:14:03 same creation story they took a lot of the same stories jesus is one of the prophets elijah the

01:14:08 prophet moses is a prophet right they built off of religions that existed already that other people

01:14:15 wrote and they are written by people they're not divinely inspired the bible is just they ought to

01:14:20 spell it b-u-y-b-u-l-l some people wrote those books and you know people wrote those books because

01:14:28 those books have mistakes that you know the creator of everything wouldn't get wrong

01:14:33 Well, Islam is the updated version 1.00

01:14:37 Because they got to look at the mistakes of Judaism 1.00

01:14:39 And Christianity and fix it 1.00

01:14:40 You said they have mistakes

01:14:42 I just want to hear one mistake in the Quran 0.99

01:14:44 The creation story

01:14:48 That's a mistake?

01:14:51 It's definitely not real

01:14:52 Wait, I'm sorry

01:14:54 How is that a mistake?

01:14:58 You yourself said

01:14:59 What do you think happened?

01:15:01 How people got here?

01:15:02 Tell me the Islamic version 1.00

01:15:03 you said it's a mistake so my question to you is how is that a mistake were you there when creation

01:15:09 started no so then you cannot say it's a mistake would your opinion you can't say you weren't there

01:15:16 when it was created either did i say it was a mistake i did not you claimed it was a mistake 0.50

01:15:21 it's right you weren't there like by your own standard by your own ridiculous standard if you

01:15:26 weren't there so you don't know you weren't there so you don't know either once again that's why we 0.64

01:15:32 can determine these things like that the earth is not made in six days and you are already admitted

01:15:37 like well i don't think it was actually a 24-hour day it's just a time period it's okay that's not

01:15:42 admittance i clarified that to you that's the islamic belief so do you think two people

01:15:47 there's a mistake you said there's a mistake in the quran i did not claim there was a mistake

01:15:53 right you don't believe in evolution oh man you have the okay is the moon inside the sky

01:15:59 It's not

01:16:01 There's no firmament

01:16:02 The earth's not flat

01:16:04 We don't have talking donkeys

01:16:06 We don't have magical creatures of gene and witches and angels

01:16:10 I'm sorry, the moon being inside the sky

01:16:12 What are you talking about?

01:16:15 What is the cosmology in Islam?

01:16:19 About the stars and the heavens

01:16:20 The moon being inside the sky

01:16:21 It just copies Genesis

01:16:24 And that's what it says

01:16:25 I'm sorry, where in the Quran does it say that?

01:16:29 Is it not based on the Bible?

01:16:34 It is not.

01:16:35 Where in the Quran does it say the moon's in the sky?

01:16:37 Well, you independently came up with a story with Adam and Eve

01:16:41 that's identical to the Jewish story?

01:16:43 Is there not the same Adam and Eve story

01:16:46 that they borrowed from a different religion?

01:16:49 No.

01:16:50 First off.

01:16:51 There's no Adam and Eve.

01:16:52 There's no Adam and Eve in the Quran.

01:16:55 It was not borrowed from anybody.

01:16:56 Now, you made a statement

01:16:58 That the Quran says

01:16:59 Yeah, I'm getting to that

01:17:01 Is there a Genesis story

01:17:03 In the Quran

01:17:05 Called not Genesis, obviously

01:17:07 But is it not the same story

01:17:10 You know, I'm trying to be very respectful

01:17:14 In letting you finish

01:17:15 And then you keep interrupting me

01:17:16 Is it the same story

01:17:18 Your statement first

01:17:20 Your statement first

01:17:22 That the Quran has a mistake 0.99

01:17:24 Has not been proven

01:17:25 the fact the Quran talks about the creation of Adam

01:17:29 this is a fact that it's in the Quran

01:17:31 it's not a mistake

01:17:32 whether you believe it or not

01:17:34 how you believe creation started is up to you

01:17:37 but you cannot call that a mistake

01:17:38 secondly

01:17:40 secondly

01:17:41 your statement about the moon being in the sky

01:17:44 when you're talking about the Quran

01:17:45 I'm not talking about Genesis, Bible, Christian

01:17:47 can you show me where that is

01:17:49 you keep making claims about the Quran 0.68

01:17:51 that are not in the Quran 0.98

01:17:52 and that's quite ignorant

01:17:54 if I say something in the Bible

01:17:57 then I'm going to give you a reference where in the Bible

01:17:59 if I say something is in the Talmud

01:18:01 or the Tanakh

01:18:02 or Gita or any scriptures

01:18:05 but when you make these claims about the Quran

01:18:07 and you can't give me a reference from the Quran

01:18:09 I can reference the Bible

01:18:10 but you didn't say it's in the Bible

01:18:13 you said it's in the Quran

01:18:15 we're not talking about the authorship

01:18:18 based on Judaism and Christianity

01:18:20 we know those are written by people

01:18:22 because there's mistakes in those books

01:18:23 Based on a book that's full of mistakes

01:18:27 You can rewind it again

01:18:29 They had the benefit of being newer

01:18:31 Than those two religions 1.00

01:18:32 And they get to fix a lot of things that were wrong

01:18:34 But not everything

01:18:36 But I don't know chapter and verse in the Quran

01:18:39 The way I do the Bible

01:18:40 So what?

01:18:41 I know it's based on it

01:18:43 And has the same creation story

01:18:44 Just because Allah revealed in my belief

01:18:49 Again I'm going to tell you what I believe

01:18:50 To the different prophets

01:18:52 including Moses and Abraham and Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them a message that tells about the

01:18:59 fact according to what we believe of what had happened and the Quran tells you those facts

01:19:04 the fact that the corruptions in the Bible that show strange things like Lot having sex with his

01:19:09 daughters and all that is not in the Quran shows you the Quran preserves the truth and just because

01:19:15 the same Allah that revealed to Moses hold on let me finish the same Allah that revealed to Moses 0.98

01:19:21 the same Allah that revealed to Jesus 0.99

01:19:23 is the same Allah that revealed to Muhammad 0.97

01:19:25 peace and blessings be upon all of them

01:19:27 just because of that doesn't mean the Quran copied the Bible

01:19:30 the fact that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

01:19:32 couldn't have even read the Bible

01:19:34 he didn't know Greek, he didn't know Aramaic

01:19:36 he didn't know Hebrew, he couldn't even read or write Arabic

01:19:39 and the fact that you don't know

01:19:41 this person in the back

01:19:43 this intelligent person who wrote or this group

01:19:45 you're just making that up

01:19:47 most people couldn't read or write at that point in time

01:19:50 Which is also not true

01:19:52 You still have the stories

01:19:53 You don't have the story of Lot sleeping with his daughters

01:19:56 But you have a story of a yellow calf

01:19:58 Whose body parts bring back the dead to life 0.91

01:20:00 I mean there's equally ridiculous stuff 0.82

01:20:03 In one book as the other 0.86

01:20:04 The gold calf story

01:20:07 Bringing people back to life

01:20:09 Is not in the Bible

01:20:09 The golden calf that was worshipped by the people of Israel

01:20:13 And the yellow calf

01:20:14 Are not the same

01:20:15 There's no story in the Quran 0.87

01:20:19 where they touched the dead body

01:20:20 with a piece of the golden calf

01:20:22 and resurrected them?

01:20:23 It was not a golden calf.

01:20:25 It was a yellow calf?

01:20:26 That's really wrong.

01:20:28 The golden calf

01:20:29 was the people of Moses

01:20:31 that worshipped Samari and them.

01:20:33 The yellow calf,

01:20:35 the cow, which is separate

01:20:36 when somebody had died

01:20:37 and they wanted to know

01:20:38 who had murdered them.

01:20:39 That story is separate.

01:20:41 Now the question gets to be... 1.00

01:20:43 The yellow calf equally as dumb. 0.99

01:20:44 The question gets to be, 0.99

01:20:46 look, if you don't believe in something,

01:20:48 that's up to you.

01:20:48 right but you can't call that a mistake you have i can i can absolutely say it's a mistake to claim

01:20:55 that there was a yellow cow who had magic body parts and brought people back to life so they 0.71

01:20:59 could figure out and kill them why would you say that's a mistake just because you have it is

01:21:04 impossible to have magic body parts from a yellow cow once again they're not magic body parts right 0.96

01:21:09 that was sacrifice they just bring back the dead i mean what do you call that

01:21:13 Bring them back to life.

01:21:14 A miracle.

01:21:15 It revealed who the murderer was.

01:21:16 Once again. 1.00

01:21:17 See, this is as ignorant as somebody. 1.00

01:21:19 That's not what the story says. 0.99

01:21:20 Can I finish?

01:21:22 Somebody in the past, for example, who couldn't understand forensic science.

01:21:27 For example, saying, oh, a time when your fingertip can tell you, that is a mistake.

01:21:32 Just because they didn't know about it and they haven't seen it isn't a mistake.

01:21:36 That's not a mistake.

01:21:37 You have not shown me a single mistake in the Quran.

01:21:42 How do you know?

01:21:43 You don't know.

01:21:44 That's not a mistake.

01:21:47 Now, let me show you a mistake.

01:21:50 Can you hand me that Bible?

01:21:53 Yours one.

01:21:56 My regular Bible is in the car still.

01:21:58 After you show the mistake, I want to end this debate with a question that I want to ask the both of you.

01:22:05 I mean, he doesn't believe in the Bible, so this is not going to be very...

01:22:11 No, no, I'm just trying to explain to him.

01:22:12 I don't believe in magic cows either.

01:22:14 Great.

01:22:26 A contradiction with each other.

01:22:29 Don't hang with the Mariam's one there. 1.00

01:22:31 So here, in 2 Kings 8, 25, 26, I'm sorry, Ahaziah was 22 years old when he became king, and

01:22:49 he reigned one year in Jerusalem.

01:22:51 His mother's name was Ataliah, the granddaughter of Umri.

01:22:54 Did you hear that?

01:22:57 I heard you.

01:22:58 Okay, good.

01:22:59 in the same Bible

01:23:01 if you go to 2nd Chronicles

01:23:03 22-2, Ahaziah was

01:23:05 42 years old when he became king

01:23:07 and he reigned one year in Jerusalem

01:23:09 his mother's name was Athaliah, the granddaughter of Umri

01:23:11 same one year

01:23:13 same place, two different ages

01:23:15 that's a mistake

01:23:16 that's a clear error

01:23:18 now, if somebody, as we had

01:23:21 the discussion today, tries to claim

01:23:23 this was at two different times

01:23:24 it mentions the reign, exactly

01:23:27 One year, that's it

01:23:28 He didn't rule one year

01:23:29 So this is a mistake

01:23:31 In fact, if you look at the reference here

01:23:34 It will tell you there are manuscript errors

01:23:36 That produced this mistake

01:23:38 That's a mistake

01:23:39 If you don't believe that there was an Adam and Eve

01:23:42 That's not a mistake

01:23:43 That's your belief

01:23:44 Appreciate your time

01:23:47 I'm going to give you time to go and research your

01:23:50 I'm going to give you time to go research the Quran

01:23:53 So you actually know what's in the Quran

01:23:55 I don't need to 0.95

01:23:56 He's got magic cowls and a bunch of ridiculous stuff. 0.81

01:23:58 You know, just like the Bible's got a man living in a whale's belly for three days. 0.87

01:24:02 Like this stuff didn't happen.

01:24:03 You continued to make claims about the Quran that you could not substantiate with a verse and chapter.

01:24:08 I don't know the Quran in and out.

01:24:09 I know the Bible in and out.

01:24:11 I can read the Quran.

01:24:12 I've read it a long time ago. 0.98

01:24:14 Saw a lot of ridiculous stuff. 0.55

01:24:15 Before you talk about the Quran having monarchies and your Quran having this and that. 0.99

01:24:20 It does.

01:24:20 Let me give you some time.

01:24:22 Quran has monarchies.

01:24:23 He just said it does.

01:24:23 It did.

01:24:24 We established that.

01:24:25 Okay, please.

01:24:25 monarchies existed before the quran before islam was invented so that is a system they inherited 0.99

01:24:31 that they chose to keep you didn't say there were monarchies but you said the quran has monarchies

01:24:37 please show me where in the quran are monarchies the system of monarchy because it does which is

01:24:42 where in the quran does it support monarchies where in the quran

01:24:47 you have no answer i don't know the quran now i just know what they practiced

01:24:51 I want to finish with this question

01:24:55 and I thought about it during the morality

01:24:57 discussion of good versus evil

01:24:58 I think we established that, Ryan, you think

01:25:01 it's up to the individual to decide good and evil

01:25:03 and Sheikh Uthman

01:25:04 as Muslims we believe that

01:25:06 it's up to what Allah has revealed in the Quran

01:25:09 I also said

01:25:11 it has to match with the truth

01:25:13 it has to match the truth

01:25:15 what's right and wrong is different than good and evil

01:25:17 but that goodness

01:25:19 should match the truth

01:25:21 truth for you to match.

01:25:22 I think people can always establish what's true

01:25:25 or false based on whatever they believe

01:25:27 and there can be

01:25:28 disagreements, there's obvious disagreements about what's

01:25:31 true and what's false between people

01:25:32 and Ryan

01:25:34 where the three of us agree is that

01:25:37 there are a lot of problems in society and this is

01:25:39 the reason that you moved to East Asia

01:25:41 because

01:25:42 of people's

01:25:44 what people believe in and

01:25:46 who governs over us and

01:25:48 and the rules that decide everything.

01:25:51 Do you think it's better for people to believe,

01:25:53 if everybody believes your point of view about what's good and evil and your morality,

01:25:57 or do you think it's better if everybody, if the general person believed in Islam

01:26:02 and believed in what Sheikh Uthman thinks, what we established in this debate?

01:26:05 Is it better if everyone believes in your view or Sheikh Uthman's view?

01:26:10 I think they would turn out almost identical,

01:26:12 because i don't think he and i disagree on anything about what is evil what is good we

01:26:19 disagree about why you say well not your morality view point of view but your decision to view the

01:26:26 world based on an individualistic way do you think it's like if every if the entire population

01:26:31 everyone decides what's good or evil based on their own beliefs is that going to develop a

01:26:36 better society or if people follow the quran see i think deciding to follow the quran is also still

01:26:43 based on your belief to think that that is true well you can never get out instead of prescribing

01:26:50 never escape that you can never escape the subjectivity if i decided this is good this is

01:26:54 bad because you decided islam is true or you decided christianity is true or you decided

01:26:59 whatever you're still making all those decisions but before you didn't you don't have a specific

01:27:06 guidebook or you don't have a specific set of rules for what you believe is good or bad

01:27:10 you you come up with it based on your own opinion i don't think you could possibly write out every

01:27:15 wrong and right thing in a book i mean you can have a whole bunch of different books that guide

01:27:22 you and and the koran can be one of them or the bible could be one of them uh or whatever you

01:27:28 know superman could be one of them whatever you draw inspiration of you can find in text and

01:27:33 things, or you could have no text at all. But I look around at the world, I could look at Japan

01:27:38 or Korea. It's a perfectly functional society without monotheism. It is not a necessary

01:27:43 ingredient to get people to behave. And it is not a deterrent either, because you can look at the

01:27:50 Middle East or Israel and stuff, where almost everybody believes in a god of one sort or another,

01:27:54 and it doesn't stop any of the violence or anything at all. I think culture is more powerful

01:28:00 than faith i think media also predates culture and what we really need to attack is the ownership

01:28:08 of mass media because if the media wants to pervert islam christianity whatever you're

01:28:14 following in one direction it can and it will and not everybody's gonna have a library like

01:28:20 the sheikh like a lot of people have a very minimalist understanding of whatever religion 0.60

01:28:24 they follow right they're not they don't know their text in and out or they're not studying

01:28:29 They just have, oh, I believe in heaven and hell and this creation story.

01:28:34 So it doesn't matter.

01:28:35 It's not going to affect the outcome of the society, right?

01:28:40 Like where I live has lower crime, longer life expectancy.

01:28:44 Like any measuring stick, it is superior to any country in the Middle East. 0.97

01:28:48 But the reason you move Far East is because there's a lack of –

01:28:53 And it's 80% atheist, right? 0.99

01:28:55 Well, I think it's better to not have your moral philosophy tied to dogma, because for the example of circumcision, for example, you can get good people to do a bad thing because they're dumb. 0.92

01:29:06 I don't like statements that are not factual. 0.91

01:29:07 You said where you live has lower crime than any country in the Middle East.

01:29:11 That's a lie.

01:29:12 You can look it up.

01:29:14 Lowest crime rate in the world is what?

01:29:15 It's Qatar.

01:29:17 Those are stats.

01:29:18 Qatar is basically a city.

01:29:19 Your statement is incorrect.

01:29:21 Qatar is not a city.

01:29:22 Again, I'm sorry you don't know that.

01:29:24 Qatar is a country.

01:29:24 What's the population of Qatar?

01:29:26 Once again, if you're looking at statistics, this is a percentage, not numbers.

01:29:32 So you are wrong.

01:29:33 The country you live does not have the lowest crime rate

01:29:36 and does not have the lowest crime rate in any country in the Middle East.

01:29:39 In fact, in the world, the lowest crime rate by statistics, not by numbers,

01:29:45 is a Muslim country in the Middle East.

01:29:46 I think it was Iceland.

01:29:47 Well, I just, what did I Google?

01:29:50 Boy, I found a thing on Google.

01:29:52 Whoop-de-doo-dah. 0.90

01:29:52 It's not about Google, it's about statistics and numbers and facts

01:29:56 You said that we need to go back to the truth

01:29:58 Well here are facts, numbers and the truth

01:30:01 That shows your statement was incorrect

01:30:03 Allahu Akbar

01:30:06 Qatar does not have a 125 million people population

01:30:11 Once again, the number population does not affect statistics

01:30:14 We're talking about percentage, not numbers

01:30:16 Then countries with smaller population than Qatar

01:30:19 These are statistics or are they numbers?

01:30:21 Can you read what I googled

01:30:25 He googled lowest crime in the world

01:30:27 Thank you

01:30:28 And it's not about me googling

01:30:30 It's about stats and you making a statement

01:30:32 That is factually incorrect

01:30:34 I'm going to use google to find whatever I want to

01:30:38 Did I google something

01:30:41 That would

01:30:42 Ryan you did make that statement too

01:30:45 That has a lowest crime

01:30:47 I didn't google something from my perspective

01:30:49 Right now when you made that statement

01:30:51 I put in lowest crime rate in the world.

01:30:53 You can put it in New York or Google.

01:30:55 And this is what came up.

01:30:56 With statistics.

01:30:57 It's not just somebody's random.

01:30:59 Your statement was factually incorrect.

01:31:04 Can I speak about mine?

01:31:05 Wyoming News.

01:31:06 So now.

01:31:07 10 safest countries in the world.

01:31:09 Right underneath that.

01:31:10 Iceland, New Zealand, Ireland, Denmark, Austria, Portugal, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Singapore, and Japan.

01:31:16 That's statistics too.

01:31:17 Once again, the top, the lowest rate was a country.

01:31:21 Okay, I'm not going to keep going in this.

01:31:23 We've already established you were factually incorrect.

01:31:25 This is a thing that you know about Google.

01:31:27 What about Qatar?

01:31:28 Okay, look, they're surrounded by other Islamic countries

01:31:31 that don't have the same rate as that.

01:31:32 I did not Google what about Qatar.

01:31:34 Right, the top 10 safest countries to live in.

01:31:36 Again.

01:31:38 Now, you made a statement that was factually incorrect.

01:31:39 Put it in there, the top 10 safest countries to live in.

01:31:42 None of them are in the Middle East. 0.97

01:31:43 but the reason that you live far east is because it's separate from uh a certain group of people

01:31:51 that prescribe the rules that govern western civilization you didn't really answer that i

01:31:57 would imagine that in guitar they probably don't own the media over there but you didn't really

01:32:04 answer the initial question do you think it's better if the eight billion people that populate

01:32:08 the world follow your point of view that everybody can determine morality for themselves or do you

01:32:14 think it's better that they have a specific rule book and if they follow the Quran which

01:32:20 wishes do you think is better for all people your point of view or the Quran

01:32:26 my point of view is the only way that people do because if you decide to follow the Quran

01:32:33 you are still deciding that you think that is true

01:32:35 so do you think it's better as far as how the outcome would be i don't i disagree that

01:32:42 uh religion is why a society is violent or not or whatever i think it's not religion because you can

01:32:50 find countries like qatar you can find countries like japan right it's not whether it's religion

01:32:55 or not it's about whether or not owns your media okay are you done

01:33:02 are you done i think i answered his question yeah yeah thank you so when i do speak i would

01:33:10 appreciate if you didn't interrupt me just if you could just read as of july um the five

01:33:15 safest countries according to as of july this as of july according to numbio are qatar taiwan

01:33:22 the uae georgia and oman three of the i'm not sure my geography is correct are three of those

01:33:29 in the middle east yeah three of those of the top five and georgia now now click on the link

01:33:33 that i sent you and read that you can find these things i appreciate it they just do this link

01:33:37 you know top 10 safest countries in the world and they're all going to be

01:33:40 according to the global peace index the top safest countries in the world are iceland new

01:33:44 zealand ireland denmark austria portugal so media well the initial question uh the initial

01:33:49 statement you made was the lowest crime right it wasn't the same time but anyway we're done with

01:33:54 that you can find a different statistic on that too it just matters who gathered it okay now

01:33:59 once again you can look with common sense though like if you've ever been to guitar if you've ever

01:34:03 been to japan like there's very low crime right you can see right and so you know much safer

01:34:08 very clean very functional qatar is very clean very functional beautifully organized as is dubai

01:34:15 as is kuwait so is kyoto so is nara no problem your statement is my problem i didn't say japan

01:34:22 wasn't but now if you ask me the same question i would say that if we left morality up to

01:34:28 people's own opinions that would not bring a better society in fact even in japan

01:34:33 a country you mentioned there are pride parades going on which you said they are not but uh you

01:34:39 know with the communists uh so we don't have a pride rainbow pride parade uh may april may

01:34:48 are pride months right here there's pictures you know this is this is this is your right the head

01:34:55 the communist party supporting the pride parade got arrested for pedophilia because that is true 1.00

01:35:01 but you do have pride parades in japan right something oh yeah like yeah we have murder in

01:35:07 japan too that doesn't discount what i'm saying i let him speak can i speak now thank you no

01:35:12 you say something that isn't wrong i'm going to contradict you you said many things that were

01:35:18 wrong but i let you finish and then i produced the fact now every time i was in the middle of

01:35:23 the point you interrupted me okay i believe that a divine law that shows us what our creator our

01:35:31 designer tells us what's right from wrong is definitely the only way that we as humanity

01:35:36 are going to come together on what's right and wrong otherwise everybody will have their own

01:35:41 idea of good and evil somebody will say raping children is good somebody will say it's evil

01:35:45 and there are people throughout history that have had some people say cannibalism cannibalism is

01:35:50 good it's efficient somebody will say no that's wrong somebody say you can eat a dead person

01:35:55 somebody can say you cannot somebody said death penalty is good somebody will say it's not some

01:35:59 abortion is good abortion is not in the end that way you have no good and evil it's just everybody's

01:36:05 own perception and if you talk about society then i would say most societies today are going towards

01:36:11 lgbtq xyz and all these kinds of things except for muslims alhamdulillah and that is something that 0.89

01:36:17 is wrong and just because society decides it's right doesn't mean it's right but we believe in

01:36:23 the quran when the quran tells us it's wrong then that is wrong there are muslims who do things 0.97

01:36:27 that are wrong i do not deny that there are muslim countries that do wrong i do not deny that but i 1.00

01:36:32 defend the religion of islam the divine laws of right and wrong and that's the only you would 1.00

01:36:37 safeguard society from coming together on things that are evil in a divine way and considering 0.99

01:36:44 them good today a drag queen sitting with little kids talking about anal sex to little 0.98

01:36:50 kindergartners which is going on this is something that is wrong and even if society decides that 0.99

01:36:55 it's okay it's wrong because allah made it haram thank you appreciate what is tq

01:37:01 lgb is lesbian bi and gay what are the other ones trans and queer trans and queer which i don't

01:37:11 know what a queer is can you tell me they don't think we're the same as lgb i would agree with 1.00

01:37:16 you there can somebody in the chat tell us what a queer is i mean that was a slur when i was in

01:37:21 high school if somebody was gay you'd be like hey you're quick this this goes with my has to be tied 0.98

01:37:25 to truth stuff if b is bi isn't it binary yeah right so you can't have a bisexual what what do 0.96

01:37:35 mean there's two sexes well yeah there are but then you add in other letters contradicting the

01:37:41 b with the t and the they say the spectrum bisexual does confirm two genders actually it's funny 0.88

01:37:47 that's a good point it's self-contradicting even in their own acronym i would agree with that can

01:37:52 anybody in the chat tell us what a queer is though i mean anyway you had a honestly there's 0.63

01:37:57 a presupposition but if you already have i thought as you did that there was a divine thing

01:38:04 then I would follow that too

01:38:06 but I disagree that it's divine

01:38:08 well I'll tell you what

01:38:09 why don't you actually read the Quran

01:38:10 and watch the videos that I can send you

01:38:13 then we can have a discussion

01:38:15 on whether it's divine or not

01:38:16 how's that?

01:38:19 I mean the yellow calf story

01:38:21 pretty much did me in on the Quran

01:38:22 anybody who's watching

01:38:24 read the Quran for yourself

01:38:26 and then you can decide

01:38:27 whether it's divine or not

01:38:28 just because you cannot comprehend something

01:38:31 don't consider it to be a mistake

01:38:33 There's much in the Quran that you don't know about

01:38:35 And inshallah

01:38:37 When you read it, Allah will guide you

01:38:40 That makes it infallible

01:38:41 It's a way of saying 0.95

01:38:42 It doesn't matter how ridiculous it sounds 0.97

01:38:44 You just don't understand it enough 0.95

01:38:46 When it comes to the belief system, Ryan

01:38:48 Everything that you believe in

01:38:50 I got to figure out exactly how you think the world should be

01:38:53 And your point of view about relationships

01:38:55 And drinking and club culture

01:38:57 A lot of what you believe in

01:38:59 Follows what is practiced in the Quran

01:39:01 Pretty closely

01:39:02 By the way, thank you for getting Sneeko in a library

01:39:05 on a Saturday night and out of the club.

01:39:08 It's Sunday night, but yes.

01:39:09 I fully support that.

01:39:12 All right, there you go.

01:39:13 The way you look at disgust about people who are being degenerate 0.86

01:39:17 or people having sex out of wedlock,

01:39:19 or the way you view cheating or the red pill philosophy,

01:39:23 degeneracy, all of that is almost to a T,

01:39:26 like what is written in the Quran.

01:39:28 and the reason I resonated with you

01:39:32 is that you rejected a lot of what's being promoted

01:39:34 in the West and you found a safe haven in the East 0.97

01:39:37 but when it comes to the belief system

01:39:38 it's almost identical

01:39:39 your belief system is almost identical to the Quran

01:39:42 I see that in this debate

01:39:44 we understand why you have

01:39:45 trouble believing that there could be

01:39:48 a creator

01:39:49 but maybe in time

01:39:52 we can have another debate

01:39:54 we can have another conversation

01:39:55 we probably agree on most moral questions

01:39:58 we're going to end up with the same conclusion i just don't tie mine to supernatural explanations

01:40:03 of creation and stuff that's the biggest one i just see that separate and the difference there

01:40:07 being that your morality is very personalized so that way it's not a morality because somebody else

01:40:12 does not consider it to be moral then it's immoral mine is to a standard that would stay standard no

01:40:19 matter what society or people's opinions are but again no it's the same i don't care what society

01:40:24 says or not again i was trying i was being descriptive not poscriptive all right i'll

01:40:30 tell you what if it's immoral it's immoral how do you know that i don't other than that's what i

01:40:35 think based on my reasoning right i'll tell you and i would say that's the same thing you're doing

01:40:39 you think this book said it so it's right well you decided that book was correct once again

01:40:44 even when the quran and again you can go into the miracle of the quran the scientific facts when

01:40:50 you read it then we'll get to that now the quran when it says something is right even if my personal 0.98

01:40:56 opinion is different i'll take the divine law even if society is different i'll take the divine law

01:41:01 there is the difference good news is there something in the quran that you disagree with

01:41:06 but you do it anyway i i do not disagree with anything in the quran because when it's in the

01:41:11 quran then i believe in it it's law right now the good but if you did you'd still follow the quran 1.00

01:41:17 i would follow the quran because i don't believe morality is subjective i believe that this is 0.77

01:41:25 divine so even if people's ideas get corrupted and they start you know saying there's a spectrum

01:41:32 of genders when allah tells in the quran we believe it and that's the way to protect society

01:41:38 from such thing is to have a divine standard or just base it on truth like scientifically there

01:41:45 two genders once again when you talk about truth there right people will try to make their own 1.00

01:41:52 truths unfortunately and they will give their own ideas and in many things like abortion or death

01:42:00 penalty you cannot say this is a truth there is a judgment call right the good news i want to give

01:42:07 you is nico didn't just spend sunday night which is right now but he also spent saturday night in

01:42:12 a library and alhamdulillah he's been praying he's been keeping it all halal and he is benefiting 0.94

01:42:20 other people we had three people that accepted islam today alhamdulillah and he's setting a

01:42:26 great role model and inshallah we hope that through the guidance that he found in islam

01:42:31 allah will make him a better person away from the intoxicants and the filth and the fornication and

01:42:37 all that goes on in the Western societies,

01:42:39 and he will live a good, pure, halal life 0.87

01:42:42 and be a good example for all those people that watch him.

01:42:45 Alhamdulillah.

01:42:46 So I have two questions.

01:42:48 You understand, we don't disagree with science either.

01:42:52 Science is a good tool for figuring out matters of truth,

01:42:56 like what the physical reality is.

01:42:58 But science is often paraded around

01:43:02 to justify a bunch of ridiculous stuff

01:43:05 because it is influenced by economy and by politics.

01:43:13 Dr. Fauci called himself the science.

01:43:16 There's so many examples.

01:43:18 He isn't science, even though he says that.

01:43:21 But there are a lot of things that are justified by how it gets polluted.

01:43:25 I would argue that religion also gets polluted by economics and politics.

01:43:31 And so one person says this is divine.

01:43:35 You know, whether it could be ISIS or whatever, they could say, hey, I think I can do this.

01:43:41 And that's their interpretation of the Koran.

01:43:43 It's still subjective.

01:43:45 Even if you have a religion, you're going to have different sects and beliefs within it based on that person's subjectivity.

01:43:52 Also, which religion they choose to have or not is also subjective.

01:43:57 You never get objectivity.

01:44:00 Now, you could be really arrogant and go, well, no, I did.

01:44:03 My version of this religion is the one

01:44:06 And my interpretation of it

01:44:07 And everyone else is wrong

01:44:08 You can think that, I guess

01:44:10 But it's always a battle of ideas

01:44:13 We can't get around subjectivity

01:44:18 Have you finished your thought?

01:44:22 I want to add one more thing

01:44:23 Because you misrepresented me four times

01:44:26 You said

01:44:26 If it's up to the person

01:44:30 Then there is no good and evil

01:44:31 and I said no there's an evil

01:44:34 and there's a good and you should try to

01:44:36 figure out what's good by tying it to the

01:44:38 truth and I think

01:44:40 one of the best tools to figure out what the

01:44:42 truth is at least for physical

01:44:44 things is through science

01:44:46 okay are you done with that thought

01:44:50 now

01:44:51 so now I would appreciate if you didn't interrupt

01:44:56 me like I didn't interrupt you

01:44:57 now you started this by saying that

01:45:00 even science is going to be corrupted by people's opinions and thoughts, Fauci felt the truth was

01:45:08 what he was presenting, and he used science for that, and you would disagree with what he was

01:45:13 presenting, so your beginning of your statement contradicts the end of your statement. Once again,

01:45:18 when you say tied with truth, you cannot determine whether abortion is good or bad by tying it with

01:45:24 truth. You cannot determine whether the death penalty is evil or good by tying it with truth.

01:45:30 you cannot determine whether euthanasia of old people is evil or good by tying it with truth

01:45:35 you cannot determine whether cannibalism is evil or good by tying it with truth this is where the

01:45:41 beginning of your statement contradicts the end of your statement secondly when you talk about the

01:45:46 perversion of science i would agree with you people do have biases but again there is a system

01:45:51 to look at data and so on but religion on the other hand definitely has been misused but if you

01:45:59 want to know the truth about a religious scripture you definitely can if you watch the library tour

01:46:06 that we had with brothers nico then you saw that i explained how the quran and how the interpretation

01:46:12 from evidences looking at the chain of narrators the science of ilm al-rijal checking for the

01:46:18 authenticity memory moral character and so on going back to the earlier biographies so now if

01:46:23 isis or any other terrorist organization wants to know the truth then definitely we can explain

01:46:29 to them with evidences what is islamic ruling when isis lights a person on fire they're going

01:46:35 against the clear hadith in the sahih of imam al-bukhari which mentions that nobody has the

01:46:40 right to punish with fire except allah so that means those groups don't want to know they want 0.92

01:46:46 to misuse a concept atheism everything has been misused the greatest murders of the history of

01:46:51 mankind stalin and mao were not people of religion that's a person issue the religion of islam has

01:46:59 has been preserved through the sciences of ilm or rijal, jar or ta'deel.

01:47:03 If you don't know what that is, watch the video again about the library tour,

01:47:07 and you can learn those to know how, if people want to preserve the knowledge, we can.

01:47:14 If somebody wants to misuse any concept, they can.

01:47:18 That's a person's fault, but the religion is preserved. 1.00

01:47:21 Appreciate the time. Thank you so much.

01:47:24 No, I can't respond to that.

01:47:25 Fauci did not believe

01:47:28 what he was saying was true

01:47:29 he lied and knew he was lying

01:47:31 you can use

01:47:33 truth and science

01:47:36 even on aspects like abortion

01:47:38 you can figure out exactly when

01:47:40 and how a life is created

01:47:41 I'm sorry

01:47:43 that is part of the argument

01:47:45 I mean if there's a fetus

01:47:48 is it alive

01:47:49 or not how would you figure that out

01:47:52 with science

01:47:52 How would you find the truth?

01:47:55 Well, when a sperm and egg match and have shared DNA, which is replicating itself,

01:48:06 you now have a life form that is not the mother or the father, but a combination that means it's an independent life.

01:48:12 Once again, that is your definition.

01:48:15 Many scientists would say no.

01:48:17 Until there is a heartbeat, many would give their own definition.

01:48:22 So that means, again, science can't tell you truth.

01:48:26 And that individual, that baby in the womb, is the mother's right to abort it if she doesn't feel she's ready for a child or not.

01:48:35 You can't tie that to truth.

01:48:37 That's a moral judgment.

01:48:39 Is cannibalism good or evil?

01:48:43 Go ahead.

01:48:43 Let me know from truth why that's right or wrong.

01:48:45 what i said is if you want to figure out what is right or wrong you have to figure out to the best

01:48:53 of your ability what is true or not and figuring out the physical truth it's wrong figuring out

01:49:01 the physical truth i'm sorry why begins let me finish with the abortion thing before you keep

01:49:07 changing examples there are people that will say well it's when it has a heartbeat or it's when it

01:49:14 has uh when it has a brain when it has independent consciousness or something like that exactly and

01:49:20 they make the cut off at 10 11 weeks somewhere in there sure what what do you mean it has a heart

01:49:26 what is the it that has a heart it's not the mom yeah i'm saying like within their own

01:49:35 what they're trying to do is rationalize selfishness by saying and i'm not ready to

01:49:41 have a kid and i shouldn't have sex and i don't want this so i'm going to say well it's not really

01:49:47 a kid and the bias is they don't want to take responsibility for their actions and they're

01:49:52 trying to rationalize it by saying well this isn't alive they don't really think this is true

01:49:58 they just need it to be true because they don't want responsibility for the action

01:50:02 the truth physically the truth is once those cells once that egg has been impregnated and

01:50:10 starts cell division with unique dna it is its own entity now you can say well who cares it doesn't

01:50:18 know it's not aware of itself or whatever you can make some separate argument about that but you

01:50:23 have to start with the physical reality and we know very well where babies come from and it's

01:50:28 not the stork and it's not some miracle it's amazing but it is absolutely physical and

01:50:34 absolutely a long physical process there's no supernatural anything involved in the creation of

01:50:40 of a baby

01:50:40 and I think

01:50:44 to deal with

01:50:44 these things

01:50:45 you must deal

01:50:46 with natural

01:50:46 questions

01:50:47 with realistic

01:50:48 and natural

01:50:49 solutions

01:50:50 before I respond

01:50:51 can you respond

01:50:52 to the cannibalism

01:50:53 so that I can

01:50:53 then respond

01:50:54 and then end

01:50:55 this conversation

01:50:56 if you don't mind

01:50:56 yeah eating

01:50:59 other people

01:51:00 I just find

01:51:04 absolutely disgusting

01:51:05 but what about

01:51:07 the science

01:51:08 the truth

01:51:09 what about it i feel come on come on you're telling me how i feel you're saying how i feel

01:51:20 that's not science that's not truth that's how you feel because it's not one thing i said reason

01:51:25 and empathy but if i'm going to base my empathy on things i should figure out to the best of my

01:51:30 ability what physical reality is whatever matches truth i said there's lots of truths that you will

01:51:34 not be able to uncover so we make the second best decision we can to say i have an instinctual

01:51:39 natural disgust on eating other people the same way many animals don't eat themselves

01:51:44 and i'm not going to do that now somebody can say well look what if what if you're in a but that's

01:51:49 not a good judgment about whether or not something is morally wrong right there are many animals that

01:51:53 do it's not it probably isn't morally wrong but i just find it absolutely abhorrent and disgusting

01:51:58 and i'm not going to engage in that i would argue cannibalism is morally wrong and if we're going

01:52:02 to go based off disgust instead of truth like i would find pineapple on pizza disgusting but

01:52:07 that doesn't mean it's morally wrong thank you it's not yeah it's not morally wrong that person's

01:52:14 dead if their family wants to eat them in some culture i find it absolutely important but

01:52:21 they can do that they're not harming anything should they do that there may be something

01:52:27 and eating your own flesh 0.77

01:52:29 the same way mad cow disease arose

01:52:31 from feeding hamburger to cows.

01:52:34 I don't know enough about cannibalism,

01:52:37 but the fact that so many societies

01:52:38 don't practice it means we probably did

01:52:40 in the past and it didn't work out too well.

01:52:44 Once again, a lot of societies

01:52:45 practicing or not practicing something

01:52:47 does not make something good and evil.

01:52:50 Once again, there are animals that do eat their own cow.

01:52:52 Like you make it dangerous or not dangerous.

01:52:54 there are many animals that do eat their own kind that are they eat their own children even

01:53:01 monkeys and spiders there's a few exactly and that does not make it right wrong evil or good

01:53:07 and earlier you said we're going to look at science and fact and then you came back how you

01:53:12 feel so that that just seems like you're i didn't say only look at science i think it's a combination

01:53:18 and i think what you what you want to do is say look here's your natural world let's figure this

01:53:23 out to the best of our ability so that things are based in reality i gave you the value set

01:53:28 example like taking the umbilical cord off of an infant if we both have the same goal of prolonging

01:53:34 that infant's life and one society says leave it on there and one says we're going to rip it off

01:53:40 the result is and according to their own determination of life better than them dying

01:53:46 early pulling it off is wrong and you can physically explain why that doesn't work and

01:53:52 how that poisons the child or has a high chance to physically you can say that is incorrect now

01:53:59 you may have all the intent oh well this is ugly i'm trying to help the baby blah blah blah but

01:54:05 you are factually incorrect that activity does not result in does not have the consequence that

01:54:10 you're aiming at so within their own value set they are incorrect now there's a whole bunch of

01:54:15 different moral questions that don't have a physical proof to it and i'm not claiming they

01:54:20 are that would be ridiculous but that's if there is any physical truth to it like okay you cannot

01:54:27 use the body part of a dead animal to figure out a murderer then that story is wrong so that book

01:54:33 is probably not divine which means you shouldn't put 100 trust into something that somebody wrote

01:54:39 and probably made it up are you done you have to go no no i just wanted to didn't want to start

01:54:48 speaking if you were still speaking i do have to go somewhere but anyway i appreciate the conversation

01:54:55 once again uh you know when you look at something that just because you cannot figure out how

01:55:01 something happened doesn't make it wrong and just because there are things and i'm giving you

01:55:06 examples of things that you know had a a structure for example forensics and so on that at time of

01:55:13 people would not have been able to understand and they would have said this is wrong but in reality

01:55:17 turned out to be the truth so that's just a very close-minded and a short-sighted view

01:55:23 once again you can have that case which you just said that's what i was saying like when you were

01:55:26 speaking i let you speak and now you just cut me off i even asked i would rather you cut me off 0.98

01:55:30 when i make a point just do it because you say like 50 things that are like that's not really

01:55:37 now once again regarding cannibalism earlier you were talking about science and truth and

01:55:42 then you went to your feelings and then you said if things can be found by the truth and

01:55:46 And he said, not all things, again, I don't really want to hash through this again.

01:55:52 I appreciate your time.

01:55:53 And I encourage you and everybody reading and watching to actually read the Qur'an,

01:56:00 actually go back, look up the minimum gene concept, read these things,

01:56:03 and we can come back and have a more informed discussion

01:56:06 where you're not claiming things to be in the Qur'an that are not.

01:56:10 Thank you.

01:56:10 I'm going to read the Qur'an.

01:56:13 I am going to talk to you again after I read it.

01:56:15 looking forward to it.

01:56:17 I would love to let me know

01:56:19 when you finish reading it, and we'll

01:56:21 do another conversation like this.

01:56:24 Okay.

01:56:25 Thanks, Ryan, for coming on.

01:56:27 You can follow Ryle Liberty on Twitter

01:56:29 and go to

01:56:31 ancreport.com.

01:56:33 That's where all of Ryan's

01:56:34 information is. And I think we could also

01:56:37 have a geopolitical conversation next time

01:56:39 we speak, too, because...

01:56:41 I like his flags.

01:56:43 Well, that's more of what I do.

01:56:45 yeah excellent there's a whole there's a lot of things that i would say like not just cannibalism

01:56:50 like i don't eat dog there are people in some countries that do they don't have a problem

01:56:55 eating dog but i just have a natural empathy for dogs totally based on feelings whatever that's

01:57:01 part of my culture and i'm not going to do it but i cannot say like well but i eat i eat birds and

01:57:07 other things i like why is that okay and this one isn't no reason just ask my culture and that's my

01:57:14 natural disgust not eating a dog someone else will i cannot say they're morally wrong like i

01:57:20 eat pig i'm sure you don't like that you know i don't see a problem with eating bacon don't have

01:57:24 a problem with it you know interestingly there are scientific studies that show the harm of pork

01:57:31 outweighing all other meats in fact there's a study that was recently done i can send you a link

01:57:35 about bacon and how it's cancerous and above any other type of meat so your truth standard would

01:57:41 say that pig is the worst type of meat for you so you shouldn't eat it i mean there's probably a

01:57:49 lot of other meats people just don't eat at all well their study has been done and like i said i

01:57:55 can send you a link between chicken fish beef pork and these and they found the pig to be the

01:58:02 worst of all of them you can look it up you can find a study for whatever lots of people eat pork

01:58:06 and have been eating pork for thousands of years nothing wrong with eating pig you you don't eat

01:58:13 you don't not eat pig because you think it's unhealthy you don't eat pig because the quran 1.00

01:58:16 says don't eat pig i agree but that truth also proves what i believe due to divine revelation

01:58:24 yeah all right anyway there's a study of a pig i don't think so i think eating blowfish is more

01:58:31 deadly eating bear is more deadly depends undercooked pork undercooked bears more deadly than

01:58:36 pork yeah where did you get that from even that's why the eskimo wouldn't do it i'm sorry is there

01:58:43 like a study here or you just made that up oh generally we don't eat bears anymore i'm sorry

01:58:47 again you make stuff up this is amazing there's no study that compared bear and meat and pig meat

01:58:54 you just made that fish have like a chance of poison lots of shellfish once again bear and pig

01:59:00 is there a study that was done to show the difference health effect between eating bear

01:59:04 meat and pig meat or did you just make that contrasted the pig just to study that bear is

01:59:09 not healthy for people but you said it worse than pig and you just made that up this is not something

01:59:14 truth or science or you're eating pigs every day not dropping dead and those pigs are causing

01:59:21 diseases every day and there are people dropping dead pig meat causing diseases everybody

01:59:26 yeah yeah they do they do cause diseases you can look it up i'm sorry this is surprising that you

01:59:32 didn't know this google it look it up i can send you links to peer-reviewed clinical studies that

01:59:39 show pig meat causes death causes cancer causes worms in people's heads there was a case in san

01:59:45 diego people die from it worms cause worms in people's heads no pork that had that parasite

01:59:52 that couldn't be cured even through cooking you shouldn't eat meat that has parasites in it of

01:59:59 any kind and that's why pork is the worst because even cooking it doesn't kill the parasites unlike

02:00:06 beef and chicken and fish as i said i'll send you a peer-reviewed clinical study that showed this

02:00:14 I think a lot of people died of TB

02:00:17 From undercooked pork in the past

02:00:19 But that is not our reality today

02:00:21 Today in San Diego

02:00:23 I'm telling you

02:00:25 Today

02:00:25 Yeah

02:00:27 Have a good night

02:00:30 Ryan we'll talk soon

02:00:34 Peace

02:00:35 Inshallah we'll talk soon Ryan

02:00:38 Peace

02:00:39 Read the Quran

02:00:41 Okay

02:00:42 Hold on let's see stream guys

02:00:44 so we have more

02:00:45 for the

02:00:46 podcast plan

02:00:47 I don't know if

02:00:48 you do have work

02:00:49 in the morning

02:00:49 no no let's finish

02:00:50 we wanna keep going

02:00:51 okay okay okay

02:00:52 dedicated

02:00:53 okay great great

02:00:55 let me just

02:00:55 Chad give me one second

02:00:56 Chad stop saying

02:00:57 I eat dogs

02:00:58 just cause

02:01:00 you brought that up

02:01:00 and now they're

02:01:01 being racist

02:01:02 I really don't

02:01:02 appreciate that

02:01:03 that hurts my feelings

02:01:05 but that was

02:01:07 Chad who do you

02:01:09 who do you think

02:01:09 one

02:01:11 I don't wanna say one

02:01:12 it was just a conversation

02:01:13 but

02:01:14 who did you agree with more

02:01:16 there we go

02:01:19 in that debate

02:01:25 slash conversation

02:01:28 I was surprised

02:01:33 I'm surprised that he was

02:01:34 because when we were in Japan he was saying that he had

02:01:36 I don't know

02:01:38 I don't want to misquote him but he seemed

02:01:40 more

02:01:41 w shake

02:01:44 yeah um that was good with the um with the guitar uh statement because there were there were a

02:01:55 couple statements and i strictly as as a moderator during this conversation some people were

02:01:59 criticizing it's like i should have stepped in more but i think it was pretty it was a pretty

02:02:03 healthy debate for the most part i didn't really need to step in but there were some moments where

02:02:07 like i i don't want to agree with you because then it's going to seem like i'm picking sides

02:02:10 But admittedly, I do have to say that the statements he made saying that Japan has the lowest crime rate and then just bring Qatar, lowest crime rate, was a good one. 1.00

02:02:18 Because when he did bring up statistics, it was based off of the statements that Ryan was making as if they were factually correct.

02:02:26 So I don't want to pick sides, but just going off the truth, which is a big part of Ryan's debate, if we're going to go based off truth, I think you did a good job in factually correcting him.

02:02:36 Well, I would like to say, and I appreciate his time, and I appreciate the conversation,

02:02:42 is we do need to give evidences for our opinions.

02:02:46 If somebody says the Qur'an says something, there should be a chapter verse that says it.

02:02:51 And if you don't have that and you make those claims, those are empty claims.

02:02:55 Again, going back to the Bible and things, you didn't say the Bible has the kingdom, you said the Qur'an.

02:03:01 Repeatedly, there were claims made about the Qur'an that are not.

02:03:05 but I hope that after he reads the Quran

02:03:07 that he'll come back to a more educated discussion

02:03:09 can you send me the questions?

02:03:12 secondly

02:03:12 when we talk about

02:03:14 bear meat is worse than pig meat

02:03:17 unless we have some kind of studies to prove that

02:03:19 it's really not correct

02:03:21 to make such statements

02:03:22 when I talked about pork meat

02:03:24 and its effects on the human body

02:03:26 those are things that according to him

02:03:28 truth, something we can study and find

02:03:31 with actual causes has done

02:03:33 so

02:03:33 so um i wanted to get it i wanted to do a part two of the podcast that we we done

02:03:41 we did last night we've been doing non-stop concept we uh yeah you know i gotta say he's

02:03:47 got a hard job you guys think it's easy i mean this man's been working i mean he spent the

02:03:52 weekend with us he's been constantly out there recording going moving i mean five hours when

02:03:59 when i hear that he does five-hour streams i'm shocked like this this takes a lot of energy

02:04:04 this is not an easy job stop calling me lazy and stop sticking that content creation just because i

02:04:10 do this that it's an easy work i've just been non-stop where even people came up to us at the

02:04:14 restaurant i'm like so you're on vacation like no i'm working absolutely not here on vacation but

02:04:19 i do want to do a part two of the podcast that we had yesterday there's some some more stories

02:04:23 about your life there's some more questions i want to ask you and uh especially after doing

02:04:29 what I've seen in the One Message Foundation videos,

02:04:32 setting up the booth and then talking to people

02:04:34 in the park in San Diego

02:04:35 and getting three people to take their shahada.

02:04:38 That was incredible.

02:04:39 Allahu Akbar.

02:04:40 After wasting probably an hour debating Christians 0.99

02:04:43 holding a tripod,

02:04:45 Sheikh Guzma is running.

02:04:46 And then as soon as they left,

02:04:47 three people came up and then boom, three shahadas.

02:04:49 They even got somebody to take their shahada.

02:04:51 Alhamdulillah.

02:04:52 That was a really...

02:04:53 And that shows the truth of Islam. 0.98

02:04:55 Those people that come out,

02:04:56 they're not out there trying to preach Christianity.

02:04:58 they're not standing at their stall just no they're coming to attack us to stop our da'wah

02:05:02 because they know it's spreading and nobody's becoming christian but alhamdulillah today

02:05:06 within 15 minutes with our brother sneeko there we saw three people accept islam islam is the truth 0.94

02:05:10 and it's going to grow and it's going to spread there is no stopping it you know even people that

02:05:16 were watching that live said saw the lies that they said and got caught live lying and inshallah

02:05:21 inshallah you will see that people when they start opening their mind and reading and they don't have

02:05:27 that close-minded attitude they will find islam as the truth you saw the christians we spoke to 0.98

02:05:32 that were like no even if you show me anything i'm never gonna i was trying to talk to two christians

02:05:37 and they were like teenagers and we were just trying to i was in his 20s the girl was there

02:05:42 the girl was in his but he was with his girlfriend and he was like oh like he was actually realizing

02:05:45 that there might have been some falsehood in his belief but he saw his girlfriend was like no

02:05:50 you're a christian he's just like oh but you could tell that he had the urge to be like this makes

02:05:54 some sense but he didn't take the quran i was like just you know you don't have to read it now

02:05:58 just take it like it's free it was a free book he was sipping a little bit the reason that he

02:06:03 didn't take the book was just grow up it's like no even if you convince me you're wrong which is 0.98

02:06:08 so stupid like let me just show it to you no even if you show me it's wrong i'm still gonna die 0.98

02:06:12 believing in it even if i'm wrong she said even if i'm wrong i don't care wow and at that point 1.00

02:06:17 that's close-minded and faith and everything you should believe it should be based in truth and

02:06:22 this is why i found islam is that not only um is it faith and believing that there's a creator

02:06:26 because it's not something you can conceptualize or ever fully understand it still makes sense

02:06:32 like that it's it's not just like i have to just believe in the atheist belief is like oh there's

02:06:36 magic stuff like that well the quran has stayed consistent for 1400 years and even a lot of the

02:06:40 rules that we established just now with the debate with things like pork fasting and a lot of the

02:06:45 there's a lot of scientific basis in the quran and it's like how would muhammad peace be upon him

02:06:49 even know about these like the development of the fetus and in the womb of the mother many things

02:06:54 about that we find and there's books by dr zakat naik there's books by dr miris bukai and others

02:06:59 that have listed these you know they're clinical trials that science has proven things that are in

02:07:05 the quran that could not have been known by a man who couldn't read or write that's why this is a

02:07:09 truth now at minimum people should read it you know what i find disgusting is somebody who hasn't

02:07:15 read then makes claims or somebody who hasn't read and is not willing to read right if i can

02:07:21 show you the miracle of the quran then why wouldn't you accept it to be the truth if i can show you

02:07:27 the falsehood of the scripture why would you not at least listen and then make a judgment so there's

02:07:33 a couple more stories that we didn't get to cover in the in the podcast yesterday i haven't written

02:07:36 down you were going to tell me about stories from indonesia great uh and a lot of these videos you

02:07:43 can find on the one message foundation channel some of them we haven't even uploaded yet you

02:07:47 know so we were working on it but you know i went to indonesia and again once again and i will make

02:07:54 this very clear i do not get paid a single penny from ymf or my masjid he doesn't i don't have a

02:08:01 patreon account i don't i don't take donations i think he should i think he should monetize the

02:08:06 channel but i understand why he doesn't because there's all these haram ads on youtube and

02:08:09 he wants it to be as halal as possible and just spread the message of allah but there were 1.00

02:08:13 insinuating the Christians who came to debate

02:08:15 today, like, you take money because I

02:08:17 take money, like, no, he really doesn't

02:08:19 like I said, for you

02:08:21 you met the president of OMF, we can show

02:08:23 you the taxes, I've never been paid by him

02:08:25 even when I went to Indonesia, I took

02:08:27 off from work and everything on my own

02:08:29 time, now very interestingly

02:08:31 when I was in Indonesia, Alhamdulillah

02:08:33 two very good revert brothers who were Chinese

02:08:35 Christian Indonesians that became 1.00

02:08:37 Muslim, they were the ones that coordinated 1.00

02:08:39 we went out to an area

02:08:41 where these Christian preachers

02:08:44 and again people talk about

02:08:46 oh Christians can't practice 1.00

02:08:47 there is a Muslim country

02:08:48 the largest Muslim country in the world

02:08:49 Indonesia

02:08:50 go out there

02:08:51 if you haven't been there go

02:08:52 see churches everywhere

02:08:53 you see missionaries

02:08:54 I was on the plane

02:08:55 with a guy who had a PhD in the Bible

02:08:57 of course he didn't want to talk about the Bible

02:08:59 for some odd reason

02:09:00 but he was going out there to evangelize

02:09:03 he was going to be teaching the Bible

02:09:04 officially in Indonesia

02:09:06 and these missionaries went out to an area

02:09:09 it was a village

02:09:09 and we have a video of this up

02:09:11 and they brought alcohol to them and they brought cigarettes to them and they bribed and they did

02:09:16 this little trick right and we have the the chief of the village you know we have the video with

02:09:20 there on the one message foundation channel right they told him we want to teach your children

02:09:25 english and he was like okay so we're going to build a little english school what they did they

02:09:29 built a church right and then they started to indoctrinize those children and they brought 0.99

02:09:34 evils of society alcohol and cigarettes and give them out and the entire village in the whole area

02:09:41 they left islam right we went out there only a week something that we were out there we started

02:09:46 speaking to him we started we didn't give them any money we didn't go out there give them any

02:09:50 alcohol alhamdulillah we gave dawah 200 people became muslim the chief of the village and then

02:09:55 you just walk around people going from people to people areas to areas taking shahadah alhamdulillah

02:10:00 That church that they had built

02:10:03 And they had left with the chief

02:10:05 Alhamdulillah

02:10:05 We bought it

02:10:07 We made it a masjid

02:10:08 We called it Masjid Isa al-Masih

02:10:10 We made it the mosque of Jesus 0.95

02:10:11 Peace and blessings be upon them

02:10:13 Alhamdulillah

02:10:15 In Indonesia

02:10:15 We went out to another area

02:10:17 Which was far

02:10:18 I mean we drove 20 hours

02:10:20 Sometimes 14 hours straight

02:10:22 In this area

02:10:24 There's only a certain amount of place

02:10:26 You can go driving

02:10:27 The rest is a 4 day walk

02:10:29 and in that area people still live in a way you couldn't imagine people living today now some of

02:10:36 those people that became muslim i even have interviews we haven't posted them but inshallah

02:10:39 we will so these people live naked they still walk around naked they have some little cloth 0.68

02:10:47 here and there for function but but naked and they live they don't have houses or huts they

02:10:52 actually live up in trees and this guy he describes you know alhamdulillah he ended up

02:10:56 becoming muslim he describes you know they have no laws they have no police they have no electricity 1.00

02:11:02 in fact if if you go there in that area and they find you as as somebody from the outside 0.98

02:11:08 many times they'll just take a boy and shoot you and then they'll eat you they're cannibals you 1.00

02:11:14 know they have incest they have sex with their own mother they have they have the concept where if 1.00

02:11:19 somebody by force can take a woman he just takes it you know and this is in a muslim country in a 0.95

02:11:24 major largest Muslim country in the world right and alhamdulillah you know we went in the actual

02:11:30 area where they live in the trees this is a four-day hike we didn't go all the way in there

02:11:33 we went to the surrounding areas we met with some of them they don't even speak the Bahasa

02:11:37 Indonesian language we had interpreters who did speak their language who then translated and

02:11:43 through them alhamdulillah some of them became Muslim and I was shocked that in today's society 1.00

02:11:48 in 2023 in the largest muslim country where there's still such remote areas and that shows 0.98

02:11:55 you the importance of da'wah these people that became muslim they would say you know we had no 1.00

02:11:59 idea what the purpose of life is we had no idea of how ignorant our lifestyle was until people

02:12:06 came and talked to us about islam and there are some of these people that ended up becoming

02:12:10 christian but what did the missionaries do in the interview he talks about it he said all they did

02:12:15 is tell them wear a cross.

02:12:17 Take videos,

02:12:18 raise money,

02:12:19 millions of dollars.

02:12:20 It was just for a photo op.

02:12:20 It was all photo op

02:12:21 for that money.

02:12:22 Just like the Patreon account

02:12:24 that those guys

02:12:24 make their money off of,

02:12:26 just for money.

02:12:27 They didn't change their lifestyle.

02:12:28 They didn't improve them.

02:12:30 They didn't stop them

02:12:30 from the wrong.

02:12:31 But alhamdulillah,

02:12:32 those that became Muslim,

02:12:33 they stopped drinking,

02:12:34 they stopped smoking,

02:12:36 they stopped incest,

02:12:37 they stopped cannibalism.

02:12:38 You will see the brother,

02:12:39 mashallah,

02:12:40 he was wearing a thawb.

02:12:41 He started memorizing the Quran.

02:12:43 We took him out of that area.

02:12:44 We put him in a place

02:12:45 where now he's learning the whole Quran by heart.

02:12:48 These are things that affect the whole world.

02:12:50 To change people, to improve them.

02:12:52 Today you saw the people that became Muslim today with you.

02:12:55 They seem so refreshed.

02:12:57 It's like they became, they found their true self.

02:13:00 And I just want to briefly interrupt.

02:13:01 For all the people who are saying, call Nick Fuentes, call Nick Fuentes.

02:13:04 I did propose a debate, and apparently Nick Fuentes is saying that he's preparing.

02:13:09 I just want to say he's preparing for the debate because it's very important for him.

02:13:14 But Sheikah Zaman, when are you ready for the debate?

02:13:16 I'm ready yesterday.

02:13:18 Whenever.

02:13:19 Whenever you want to do it.

02:13:20 I don't need to prepare.

02:13:20 Nick, if you're watching this right now, call in and we'll debate right now.

02:13:24 Let him prepare.

02:13:26 Right now, I'm ready.

02:13:27 I'm not preparing.

02:13:28 You want to prepare, prepare.

02:13:30 So stop everyone in the chat spamming that.

02:13:32 I'm just saying the only reason he's not in this call right now is because he's preparing, which is good.

02:13:37 You know, it's an important debate.

02:13:38 Did you get that?

02:13:39 We did tell him, come in debate, and he turned it down because he wants to prepare.

02:13:44 Well, he didn't turn it down.

02:13:44 He's just preparing.

02:13:45 Well, he turned it down right now, right?

02:13:47 He didn't come on today.

02:13:49 Maybe he's busy.

02:13:50 He said he wants to prepare or he said he's busy?

02:13:52 Well, he said he wants to prepare.

02:13:55 So, he turned on being on the debate today to prepare.

02:13:58 Maybe he was busy, too.

02:13:59 I'm not going to make assumptions.

02:14:00 Okay, there's a story you have from Jordan.

02:14:03 I got to tell you this crazy story.

02:14:05 Okay.

02:14:05 Okay, so when I came to Islam, it's kind of a long story, but I wanted to study, and I wanted to learn Islam, I wanted to learn Arabic, I wanted to read the Quran in its original language, so I went to the UAE, I went to Ra's al-Khaimah, I went to Al-Ain, I studied with different scholars, and I really wanted to practice the Arabic language, so I wanted to go to a place where they don't speak, like I speak Urdu, I speak Pashto, I speak English, you know, I speak many of their languages, so in the UAE I could speak to people in other languages,

02:14:34 that I wanted to speak only Arabic so I can really get like a grasp of the language.

02:14:39 So I said, I'm going to go to Jordan.

02:14:41 I had a friend in Jordan.

02:14:42 I said, I'm going to go to Jordan.

02:14:43 It's a country where there's not a lot of Pakistanis, not a lot of English speakers.

02:14:46 So I can go to some of the outskirt areas and I'll have to speak Arabic all day.

02:14:51 And I'll get mumarasah, practice in it.

02:14:53 So I went.

02:14:54 And there's an area called Jabal Lweb.

02:14:56 This is an area in Amman, in the capital of Jordan.

02:15:00 And this is a predominantly Christian area.

02:15:02 there's a Catholic church, there's a Protestant church

02:15:04 there's a monastery, there are more

02:15:06 churches and there are mosques in that area

02:15:08 one of my good friends

02:15:10 had a store there, so I was like alright

02:15:12 I was there

02:15:13 one day I went for an early, which is called the Fajr prayer

02:15:16 early morning prayer

02:15:17 and I'm there and we're praying

02:15:20 and we see a Catholic priest

02:15:22 like with a robe and everything

02:15:24 and a wood cross come and stand

02:15:26 and pray with us

02:15:27 it's kind of weird right

02:15:30 he prayed and right after prayer

02:15:32 he just left well yeah it's kind of weird so you know I asked the brothers anybody

02:15:38 know again no don't know all right cool next day Duhur Asar Maghrib Isha we didn't see

02:15:43 next day at Fajr early morning prayer again this is like you know 5 a.m.

02:15:48 through earlier that over there right he's there again he prays with us

02:15:53 holds hands everything leaves that's kind of weird right looking at a white 0.99

02:15:59 guy white looking skin at least you know anyway after a few days there was a

02:16:03 brother who passed away and I'll know Abu Bashir very good brother he knew a

02:16:08 little English and he told me hey you're from America you speak English this guy

02:16:10 looks like he doesn't know Arabic let's go talk to my guy cool we went and this

02:16:16 is 2007 it's been a while we went and we started talking to him hey how you doing

02:16:21 I mean you know we're welcome but you know just you from here you know he's

02:16:26 like no i'm from the u.s oh i forgot chicago or boston somewhere on the east coast and i'm like

02:16:32 you got like a robe on i got wooden cross you're praying with us and he's like no you know i was

02:16:38 sent here to learn islam so we can preach to muslims the gospel of jesus the message of jesus

02:16:45 right and he came he spoke fluent english from the u.s white guy and he's like when i came here

02:16:51 is the first time

02:16:52 I heard the adhan

02:16:53 the call for prayer

02:16:54 is the first time

02:16:55 I heard it

02:16:55 and he said

02:16:56 when I first heard it

02:16:57 like it put me

02:16:58 like in a fearful mode

02:16:59 like I was like

02:17:00 what is this

02:17:00 and because in that area

02:17:02 there is a mosque

02:17:03 that gives the adhan

02:17:03 out loud

02:17:04 he said every time

02:17:05 I heard it

02:17:05 like it kind of

02:17:06 made my hair raise

02:17:07 and he goes

02:17:08 and then it started

02:17:09 attracting me

02:17:09 like I wanted to go to it

02:17:10 he goes

02:17:12 but I couldn't just

02:17:13 walk into a mosque 0.77

02:17:14 especially because

02:17:15 he was there with the church

02:17:15 and the Jordanian Christians

02:17:17 are strict

02:17:17 if you leave Christianity 1.00

02:17:19 there they'll kill you 1.00

02:17:20 and there are many incidents 0.99

02:17:21 you can google of girls that became muslim and their christian families killed them 1.00

02:17:25 honor killings from christians they're talking about another story of a brother having

02:17:28 a situation like that happening it happens yeah it's funny that you said that before you finish

02:17:34 story that he felt an urge to go to the call of prayer have you ever seen a video we watched it

02:17:39 on stream of cows and there's a french this these french guys are driving past the farm 0.76

02:17:45 first they're playing rap music and the cows are just eating the grass and then they play the call

02:17:49 of prayer through their car and all the cows come to the car they're attracted to the call

02:17:55 of prayer it's incredible to see that is beautiful that is beautiful and these are proofs right like

02:18:01 when you're talking about the truth these show you the truth and there are there's a scholar

02:18:07 and he had done he had gone out to new zealand i believe and he he would tell them let me just

02:18:12 read something to you tell me how you feel in arabic with the tone of the quran he would just 1.00

02:18:17 say nothing you know like about the apple or something and then he would recite the quran

02:18:21 same tone same language and people on video those like they would say how they felt about the quran

02:18:28 not knowing that this is the quran the quran the culture scientifically we can show that has an

02:18:34 effect on people right so this guy when he heard the adhan he said i wanted to go to it he said but

02:18:39 i realized that if i went and they found out that at minimum they would kick me out so he said you

02:18:45 know what in the early morning prayer is early enough and it's dark outside that i can sneak

02:18:49 out and go and pray with you guys and i sat and talked to him and i'm not this is not like one

02:18:54 of those fictional stories it's not like oh he took his shahada no the reality is he didn't

02:18:59 accept islam there but i talked to him i told him how do you feel when you pray he said the first

02:19:04 time i prayed with you guys in a mosque and put my head to the ground i felt what jesus must have

02:19:09 felt you know and that was deep and that's how jesus prayed exactly in the bible that's how jesus

02:19:15 prayed yeah jesus he goes he went a little further and putting his faith his forehead on the ground

02:19:19 he prayed to the creator to the father above and this is the biblical sense right right and he said

02:19:24 he said this is the first time that i felt how jesus must have prayed i i have to admit the same

02:19:30 thing even though before accepting islam like five prayers a day it just seems like so much but 0.96

02:19:35 every single prayer it's i feel a connection that i that no disrespect that i didn't feel

02:19:43 when i was praying in the catholic church like the standing the sitting the pew and stuff like

02:19:47 that and then eating the communion it was you know it felt like this is what you're supposed

02:19:51 to do they told me a little weird though i eating flesh and drinking blood like a little cannibalist

02:19:57 you are eating the body of they say the body of christ and you eat the body of christ and then 0.98

02:20:02 is that cannibalism then you're eating it's symbolic cannibalism i guess well it sounds a

02:20:08 little pagan but jesus is not a man jesus is well he's fully man though according to them but he's

02:20:14 god so eating god's okay but it's a symbol of man he's in the form of man i never got it but i have

02:20:21 to i have to admit like without any um by well i mean obviously with some bias but well there

02:20:27 wouldn't be because that time you weren't muslim right when i pray in islam when i pray in the 0.60

02:20:32 it's a feeling that i never had in christianity nobody forced you to be muslim right no did you

02:20:39 get paid to be muslim no i wish i i mean i it's selfishly like if they if they there's a conspiracy

02:20:44 theory that these oil shakes in saudi arabia if they offer me money i mean i probably should turn

02:20:49 it down right i should turn it down but i have not received that i'm just saying if any oil shakes

02:20:55 are watching send the brother some money because he hasn't received his check well would that be

02:21:00 haram to accept no it wouldn't be it wouldn't be haram but but it's just not genuine but the fact

02:21:04 that you became muslim without any monetary benefit shows that this is a sincere step right 1.00

02:21:10 and because your base is not majority muslim you're not doing this for clout no right i mean

02:21:16 people get really upset you can see him uh we have another uh what i really wanted to hear is

02:21:21 your weirdest

02:21:22 jinn story

02:21:23 and jinn

02:21:23 for these other

02:21:24 people watching

02:21:25 jinn is basically

02:21:26 demonic 0.99

02:21:26 devilish

02:21:27 what is the weirdest

02:21:29 jinn story

02:21:30 that you have for

02:21:31 and I'm sure

02:21:32 in your

02:21:32 in your time

02:21:33 you must have

02:21:34 plenty

02:21:35 I have some

02:21:36 but probably

02:21:36 nothing like yours

02:21:37 do it or don't do it

02:21:42 oh I want to hear

02:21:43 come here

02:21:44 this is my son

02:21:46 Musa

02:21:47 what's good

02:21:48 with y'all boys

02:21:49 I'm gonna ask him

02:21:49 should I do it or not

02:21:50 uh just do it for the content

02:21:54 it's because it's because it's almost 1am but chat let's get some ones if you want to hear the

02:22:03 weirdest gin story but if we see a lot of ones i'll do it okay how's that and then so if we see

02:22:09 ones for the gin story we also have um your daily routine for when you begin to study in the uae

02:22:15 we'll start with that one first there's a little more halal before we get to gin

02:22:18 It's all halal. 1.00

02:22:19 Okay.

02:22:20 We don't step into no haram here.

02:22:21 Okay.

02:22:22 The jinn story is going to be in the halal and this, but I want to see ones first.

02:22:26 I see a one there.

02:22:27 I see another one.

02:22:28 There we go.

02:22:28 Oh, oh, oh, oh.

02:22:29 Ones are pouring in now, man.

02:22:31 All right, all right.

02:22:32 All right.

02:22:33 So, daily routine first or the jinn story first?

02:22:35 Jinn story.

02:22:36 The jinn story is more interesting for me.

02:22:37 Oh, all right.

02:22:39 So, again, I don't usually talk about these because one of the things that attracts jinn 0.98

02:22:45 is when you talk about them, right?

02:22:46 and I don't talk about like stories on YouTube or somebody else told me like I'm only going to talk

02:22:52 about what I witnessed with my own eyes and obviously I don't want to expose the family

02:22:57 or the people that went through this I'm not going to give any indication that would expose who they

02:23:01 are but in San Diego I'm not talking about like some in Sudan or Oman or Pakistan in San Diego

02:23:08 right here we had a family and Moses knows who they are they own the store he's been to that

02:23:14 store he knows the family so it's not like there were just some obscure people somebody who used

02:23:19 to pray with us and so on and he called us up and he said you know i have a situation uh with my wife

02:23:25 and i need you to recite some quran on her right and i don't usually get involved in these things

02:23:32 like you know first thing you see my schedule i'm busy in a day and night we've got things going on

02:23:36 work kids homeschooling family work actual work work and then dawah for the sake of allah and

02:23:43 teaching and researching and reading so i'm like look bro you know you want to read some quran just

02:23:48 you go read some quran on her i'm good you know i don't do this kind of thing he's a really good 1.00

02:23:52 brother we knew he was and he was like look i wouldn't ask you unless this was you know so i

02:23:56 was like what's going on he was like there's some situation so i'll tell you what you know what

02:24:00 there's something go see a mental health professional you know probably some kind of

02:24:04 chemical imbalance this and this he was like look i've been to the hospital i've been to doctors i've

02:24:08 been to psychiatrists i've been through everything i've had to hospitalize her many a times they've

02:24:13 done tests and there's nothing wrong with her and this is stuff that I just it's not it's not normal

02:24:19 right I was like tell me like you know just come over and then I'll tell you I'm like all right so

02:24:23 one of our imams of the majid she had a brother you met with him right so I called him up he's

02:24:28 he's a half of these memorized all Quran I said hey look this brother is a good brother he's got

02:24:32 the situation you don't mind let's go read some Quran it's probably nothing but let's go do it 0.99

02:24:36 you know for the sake of Allah no money nothing and the brother's like sure you know let's go do

02:24:41 it said all right went to his house when he got to his house he was outside and said look let me

02:24:46 talk to you said all right tell me what's going on said look i married my wife i'm not going to

02:24:50 mention the name of the country but from another country and she was raised in a very traditional

02:24:53 village and you know very doesn't speak english well only been here a couple of years moroccan

02:24:59 not going to mention the name of the country not going to let you guess at it not moroccan but not

02:25:05 going to guess anymore so you know i don't want to give any indication that would give away who

02:25:09 they are right so you know i mean musa knows because you know obviously he was involved in

02:25:17 the family and things but we've kept this very private you know so i went to their house and

02:25:24 he told me look my wife just came to the u.s and this and then we have a store and she started 0.99

02:25:29 changing and this is her hair started becoming shorter she didn't cut it it just started

02:25:36 becoming shorter she's losing hair no it was it was getting shrinking and it was rough and he said

02:25:45 you know when i approach her in a marital way her face looks different to me and she acts like a man

02:25:52 i was like what it's some real stuff this is some yeah it's a little weird these people yeah

02:25:57 it's real stuff

02:25:58 yeah

02:26:00 so 0.74

02:26:00 so it's a tranny now 0.88

02:26:02 check it out

02:26:03 I'm like wait

02:26:04 you know

02:26:05 like is there something

02:26:06 going on

02:26:07 and he's like no

02:26:08 he goes

02:26:08 and she's become

02:26:09 rough with me

02:26:10 like sometimes

02:26:11 even during

02:26:12 she'll grab my neck 1.00

02:26:13 and then

02:26:14 at times

02:26:15 she'll push my kids 1.00

02:26:16 around walking around

02:26:16 what

02:26:17 right

02:26:19 and these are people

02:26:20 I'm like I'm telling you

02:26:21 this is San Diego

02:26:21 it's not like some

02:26:22 you know

02:26:23 so I'm like

02:26:24 I was thinking like

02:26:25 like this guy's just

02:26:26 kind of whatever

02:26:27 he's out of it

02:26:27 i'm like whatever right and he's like look my wife's only been here a few years and she doesn't 0.99

02:26:32 speak english but she was sending texts to a woman that worked there explicit text and it spoke like 1.00

02:26:40 they weren't from here but it spoke properly and it's like slang like there were things in there

02:26:45 and the people in the hood would blush like slang and somebody from a you read the text i read the

02:26:50 text and there was like i want to with my and your words that aren't even like in a dictionary

02:26:59 those are those are urban dictionary words right that somebody doesn't even speak english would

02:27:03 no way understand or know and they were in from a man's perspective they were talking about

02:27:09 you know yeah i was like and they were and what happened is that employee came to him and said

02:27:16 hey look this is going on and he was like what and he said when i confirmed my wife she just got

02:27:21 violent until she had to be hospitalized you know she was throwing the kids around 1.00

02:27:25 so i'm like this is some marital issues going on maybe she's gone rainbow or something i don't

02:27:30 know right so i'm not trying to sorry like what do you want me to do he's like can you read some

02:27:35 on her i was like all right you know maybe she was saying it's steroids or something all those

02:27:40 thoughts were coming to my head so he said all right let's go you know and you know so we went

02:27:44 in and they had her covered up and things you know and her she had two big sons that were sitting

02:27:50 next to her like holding her and i was like this little lady like why they're holding her the

02:27:54 husband went behind her and then we started i told the shaykh i told him look i'm i'm gonna

02:28:00 read quran as well but i don't want you to stop no matter what happens don't stop reading quran

02:28:05 because i studied these things so he started reading quran and she started shaking and it's

02:28:13 like what's going on right you know they had our cover but shaking i was like all right it's not

02:28:17 normal but okay so i said look my sister right when i walked in you know i forgot that right 0.67

02:28:24 when i walked she goes oh you that n-word like she was the n-word right i'm gonna try where is 0.93

02:28:32 she from oh no you don't want to say but she was speaking let's just say a middle eastern

02:28:36 country. And she's speaking Shaniqua

02:28:38 dialect.

02:28:40 She was like, you're that

02:28:41 Shaykutman, huh?

02:28:43 What?

02:28:45 A woman.

02:28:47 Who's only been here for a few years.

02:28:50 So I was like, this is kind of strange, right?

02:28:52 So anyway,

02:28:53 I started speaking and then she goes,

02:28:56 F you.

02:28:57 And I'm, you know, she was using the words.

02:29:00 Right? I was like, what the hell? 0.95

02:29:02 Like this is,

02:29:03 and the sound was that of a man.

02:29:05 And like, I never, you know, I don't try to talk to women 1.00

02:29:07 So I mean, I don't know who she was

02:29:08 You heard the voice too?

02:29:09 No, no, he wasn't

02:29:10 I wasn't there for it, but I talked to the guy

02:29:12 It was, it was, the people there was just me and the Sheikh Abdul Qadr

02:29:16 You met Sheikh Abdul Qadr

02:29:16 And then he got back too, so

02:29:18 Yeah

02:29:19 So, this started getting really weird

02:29:22 Like, like I was, at first I was like, maybe it's got something else going on

02:29:25 But I'm like, how can, I mean, my wife is speaking to her

02:29:28 So I mean, it's not like, we know what the family is

02:29:31 So I was like, all right

02:29:32 And I was like, look, you know, sister, what's going on and this

02:29:35 And she's like

02:29:35 F you

02:29:36 Don't call me a sister

02:29:37 It's not even a joke 0.95

02:29:39 What the heck

02:29:40 That is some crazy stuff

02:29:42 Right

02:29:42 So did the reading the Quran

02:29:43 Get in there right

02:29:45 So

02:29:45 The shi'if 1.00

02:29:46 He was you know

02:29:47 Ali he was coming out 0.94

02:29:48 I was like look

02:29:48 Whatever happened

02:29:49 Don't stop reading Quran 1.00

02:29:50 Right

02:29:50 Whatever happened

02:29:51 No matter right

02:29:51 And you know

02:29:53 I have a whole section

02:29:54 In the library

02:29:54 About the jinn

02:29:55 And stuff I've shown you

02:29:56 You know

02:29:56 So we know things

02:29:57 I was like look

02:29:57 Might get violent

02:29:58 Whatever

02:29:58 I'm not touching them

02:30:00 You know

02:30:00 Like I told the kids

02:30:01 Like you guys better handle this

02:30:02 They're like yeah

02:30:03 You know

02:30:03 so we just started

02:30:05 reading Quran

02:30:05 and she leaped out 1.00

02:30:07 at me

02:30:08 like grabbed me

02:30:09 right

02:30:09 thing fell off

02:30:10 like an exorcist

02:30:11 I was like

02:30:11 whoa right

02:30:12 sons grab

02:30:13 these are big old

02:30:14 you know men

02:30:15 mashallah

02:30:15 and then she was like

02:30:16 boom

02:30:17 pushed one out

02:30:18 you know

02:30:18 husband's trying to

02:30:19 get her in a headlock 1.00

02:30:20 and I was like

02:30:20 whoa

02:30:21 like

02:30:22 it got real

02:30:23 things fell off

02:30:24 and hair was short

02:30:25 like it was

02:30:25 he wasn't lying

02:30:26 right

02:30:26 and subhanallah

02:30:29 and this is what I'm saying

02:30:30 like people

02:30:30 like I don't believe

02:30:31 in unseen

02:30:32 and I don't believe

02:30:32 in supernatural

02:30:33 i mean i've seen stuff that science can't explain you know uh so i was like i started reading quran

02:30:39 as well he's reading quran i started talking i was like look whatever it is you know you got

02:30:43 you got to leave this lady alone i was like look sister do you have an issue going on i mean 0.97

02:30:47 something you want to talk about some changes like i ain't your sister and word right i'm like

02:30:52 oh right and then so we're sort of like okay just keep reading well there for a few hours right

02:30:57 Keep reading Quran

02:30:58 After a while

02:30:59 She's like

02:31:00 Yeah it's my jam

02:31:01 It's my jam

02:31:02 I laugh on it too

02:31:04 I'm not

02:31:05 I'm not trying to use

02:31:06 N word here

02:31:07 But you know

02:31:07 That's my jam

02:31:08 You know

02:31:08 And I was like

02:31:09 What

02:31:10 Like this is

02:31:11 You know

02:31:12 And the kids are all freaked out

02:31:13 And she's like

02:31:14 Then it goes crazy again

02:31:15 I'm like

02:31:16 Woo

02:31:16 You know

02:31:17 I'm all fist balled up

02:31:18 And stuff

02:31:19 Subhanallah

02:31:21 Like I'm telling you

02:31:22 There's things

02:31:23 People don't realize

02:31:24 You know

02:31:24 So

02:31:25 In the end

02:31:26 the Shaykh kept reading Quran 0.98

02:31:27 I kept speaking

02:31:28 I was speaking Quran

02:31:29 making dhikran

02:31:30 and then

02:31:31 told her look

02:31:31 whoever it is

02:31:32 then she started speaking to me

02:31:33 as a man

02:31:34 she was like look 0.92

02:31:34 I'm a guy

02:31:35 I liked her

02:31:37 I answered her

02:31:38 and now I like the other one

02:31:39 and this is my thing

02:31:40 like straight like a dude

02:31:42 you know

02:31:43 I was like look

02:31:44 you gotta leave this sister alone 1.00

02:31:45 like you can't be

02:31:46 you can't be doing this

02:31:47 with a family

02:31:47 with kids

02:31:48 so basically all tyrannies

02:31:49 are under a jinn spell

02:31:50 you know

02:31:51 you know

02:31:51 there are scholars

02:31:52 that have written about this

02:31:53 that many people

02:31:56 might have had this issue of jinn

02:31:58 because the gender of the jinn

02:31:59 might be affected

02:32:00 maybe just influence

02:32:01 not like complete possession

02:32:02 like this

02:32:03 so

02:32:05 you know

02:32:06 two and a half hours

02:32:06 about into it

02:32:07 with reading Quran

02:32:08 and

02:32:10 you know

02:32:10 like I said

02:32:11 I mean

02:32:11 I'll take you to the store

02:32:13 if you want

02:32:13 you know

02:32:14 like

02:32:14 you know

02:32:15 right

02:32:16 and

02:32:17 and after that

02:32:18 just started getting violent

02:32:20 throwing stuff

02:32:20 crazy

02:32:21 all this

02:32:21 then she just collapsed

02:32:23 just fell

02:32:24 dead?

02:32:26 i was like i'm out of here i told the chef look look we gotta bounce man i gotta go home like

02:32:30 this is crazy so i came home and this is my family i don't keep secrets family i told him

02:32:36 and you know the guy put the hijab on her and everything and subhanallah i didn't hear from

02:32:42 him and i don't want to call him because like i'm not trying to get involved in this right i'm i'm

02:32:46 done week or something later he called me like i'm going back to my country you know i'm not i

02:32:51 don't care about the store this or that i was like how's your wife she's like he's like yeah she's

02:32:55 better you know she's she's not acting like that she's talking normal on this and then subhanallah

02:33:01 he left and then i don't want to keep in touch like this was i mean can you imagine being there

02:33:07 this was some stuff right months later he came back to the u.s like you know he wanted to do

02:33:13 some stuff business and stuff and he came and saw me in the mosque and he said subhanallah

02:33:18 after that day her hair grew back her face went back she didn't even remember any of that

02:33:25 no more

02:33:26 none of

02:33:28 people

02:33:34 you know

02:33:35 went

02:33:36 and

02:33:36 alhamdulillah

02:33:37 so I was like

02:33:37 would you bring her back

02:33:38 he's like

02:33:38 I'll never bring her back

02:33:40 to this country

02:33:40 so

02:33:41 you know

02:33:42 so she went under

02:33:43 a western jinn spell

02:33:44 you know

02:33:46 jinn's are from

02:33:46 different areas

02:33:47 yeah they're like

02:33:48 humans

02:33:49 that's my jam

02:33:51 the Quran

02:33:53 my jam

02:33:54 SubhanAllah, I don't talk about these things

02:33:58 a lot of people because

02:33:59 these are things

02:34:02 that people don't understand

02:34:04 until you've seen it. When you see something like that

02:34:06 it blows your mind. You realize

02:34:08 there's more to the world than what you can see.

02:34:10 Some people, they're very

02:34:12 close-minded, but they don't realize

02:34:14 that many things science hasn't

02:34:16 even discovered yet.

02:34:17 Many things that you may not understand

02:34:19 doesn't mean they don't exist.

02:34:21 Talk about black matter and all this stuff.

02:34:23 But, you know

02:34:25 This is one

02:34:26 But there's another one

02:34:28 When I was overseas

02:34:29 It wasn't me doing the exorcism

02:34:31 Somebody else was doing it

02:34:32 We'll talk about that on another stream

02:34:34 Inshallah

02:34:34 I think we can say goodbye at this point

02:34:39 It's too bad where I'm going out late

02:34:42 We gotta do the schedule first

02:34:44 What schedule?

02:34:45 My daily schedule when I was thinking

02:34:46 Oh, yes, in the UAE

02:34:49 And then also

02:34:50 I want to hear about the BLM rise 0.99

02:34:52 What was your daily schedule in the UAE?

02:34:54 So this is something important for those that want to study

02:34:57 and those that want to strive to better themselves

02:35:00 is to dedicate themselves to knowledge.

02:35:03 And this is something, as a new Muslim, 0.99

02:35:05 I encourage you as well to learn, to learn Arabic, to learn Quran.

02:35:09 So when I went overseas, I didn't take a scholarship.

02:35:13 Nobody paid for me.

02:35:14 I didn't take any loans from anybody.

02:35:16 I had a job. I quit.

02:35:18 Musa was with me. Yusuf, my other son, was with me.

02:35:20 I took my wife with me, may Allah reward her, may Allah reward them for their patience

02:35:24 and we went and my wife studied and the kids were memorizing Quran

02:35:27 and I, because I quit my job, I said, you know, I want to study

02:35:31 so what I did, I contacted a shaykh, there was a shaykh in Al Ain first 0.99

02:35:35 I studied with him one on one, then he told me, look, you have more time and dedication

02:35:40 I don't have to give you, so I want you to go and study with another shaykh 1.00

02:35:43 I went to Rasul Khayma, he wrote me a tazkiyah, accreditation, saying that he's a good person

02:35:47 give him time and these scholars didn't take a penny from me didn't take a cent from me this is

02:35:53 people who were mukhlis sincere for the sake of Allah so this shaykh he gave me every day from

02:35:59 dhuhr the second prayer around noon all the way to maghrib to sunset so every day in the early

02:36:06 morning me musa and yusuf would go to the mosque and fajr prayer the early prayer and they would

02:36:11 recite to a shaykh there and i would recite and got a picture of musa as a little you know

02:36:16 i want to see you after someday and you know we would do the quran there and then we would come

02:36:24 back after the morning perhaps reciting the quran to the scholar there and then you know you would

02:36:28 have that time to with the family take shower eat all that kind of stuff then from duhr around noon

02:36:34 all the way to asa around 4 p.m at that time i would study fiqh like jurisprudence books that

02:36:41 we have here okay and then from Asa around 4 all the way to sunset which

02:36:46 was around 7 at that time I would study hadith those over there so Quran in the 1.00

02:36:51 morning then Fiqh like books like Umdatul Ahkam and Zadul Mustakni and these

02:36:55 Akhsar al-Mustasarat then Hadith like books like Bulugh al-Maram and Umdatul Ahkam

02:37:02 and Dalghani al-Maqdasi you would have that from Asa all the way to Madhr then

02:37:06 from sunset seven eight o'clock from there till isha i would have a break go home eat dinner then

02:37:12 at isha my arabic teacher would come to the house and i would study the arabic language books like

02:37:17 and stuff to study grammar and i would go into the middle of the night and then i would revise

02:37:24 my studies and then early in the morning start again six days a week that was my year and a half

02:37:29 and I'm out.

02:37:30 Yeah, and you got to like

02:37:31 save up to be able

02:37:32 to live there too

02:37:33 because it's not cheap.

02:37:35 Yeah.

02:37:35 How much were you working?

02:37:37 At that time,

02:37:37 I wasn't working at all.

02:37:39 Six days a week,

02:37:40 that was my daily schedule.

02:37:41 For a year and a half.

02:37:42 For a year and a half.

02:37:43 And then I went to Jordan

02:37:44 after that.

02:37:45 Then I came back to the U.S.

02:37:47 So I got a job again,

02:37:48 started working,

02:37:49 saved up money.

02:37:50 Then I went back to the UAE.

02:37:51 Then I came back.

02:37:52 Then I went to Pakistan 0.93

02:37:53 and me and Yusuf

02:37:55 and Musa with my wife,

02:37:56 everybody went.

02:37:57 Then I studied there

02:37:58 a book called

02:37:58 Al-Fiya ibn Malik

02:37:59 which is that book over there

02:38:01 it's a thousand or two thousand

02:38:03 lines, one thousand

02:38:05 Arabic grammar book

02:38:07 Alhamdulillah with the Sheikh 0.94

02:38:09 Mohammed Bashir

02:38:11 and I call you Mahad al-Lughal Arabiya

02:38:12 and Islamabad and I enrolled my master

02:38:15 so it takes that dedication

02:38:18 it takes, you know, you need to put

02:38:19 work in, if you want to seek knowledge

02:38:21 if you want to improve yourself, it takes that

02:38:23 so there's a lot more than

02:38:25 just taking your shahara

02:38:26 you're on your way inshallah

02:38:29 You're on your way, man.

02:38:30 Alhamdulillah, he's saying all his prayers.

02:38:32 It's something that you never, ever finish learning.

02:38:34 Never.

02:38:35 You're going to study from the cradle to the grave.

02:38:37 As the great Imam, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, he said that we take the ink pot from the cradle to the grave.

02:38:44 I wanted to hear, we went shooting today.

02:38:48 And you're still in San Diego, which is not, I didn't see any pride flag shot.

02:38:52 There's nothing.

02:38:52 Can we get some W's for that?

02:38:53 L.A., San Francisco, most of California is done.

02:38:56 Yeah, West Coast, but I don't know.

02:38:57 I'm not a big fan of California in general.

02:39:00 Neither am I.

02:39:01 But San Diego, we're still holding it down.

02:39:03 It's still holding it down.

02:39:04 I didn't see one profile.

02:39:05 There are areas.

02:39:06 I'm not going to deny it.

02:39:07 I didn't see any.

02:39:08 So I'm going to go based off what I saw.

02:39:10 I didn't see any.

02:39:10 So I'm glad about that.

02:39:12 But during the BLM riots, what happened?

02:39:14 I remember specifically in Los Angeles, they sent out a message saying,

02:39:18 I remember that was one of the craziest times.

02:39:20 It was during COVID lockdown.

02:39:21 And they said, don't go to Los Angeles.

02:39:24 We can't protect you.

02:39:25 like we it's not safe here the mayor said los angeles is not safe if something happens

02:39:31 sorry yeah it's what a crazy thing to see but what happened in san diego during the same time

02:39:38 it was bad so the city we don't live in the city of san diego i'm not going to mention the city we

02:39:44 live in because we got a lot of haters that try to figure out where i live to harm me and my kids

02:39:48 because they can't debate so they get violent uh but we live in a city that is within san diego

02:39:54 county and the city we live in at that time had a riot so you've seen our street it's a cul-de-sac

02:40:00 and this area is all cul-de-sacs right and the police station is on the other side uh these

02:40:06 rioters from outside of san diego and most of them were white anarchist kids came out under the name

02:40:10 of blm and they actually burnt down our police station they lit our police station on fire and

02:40:16 the police because they didn't want to engage them and again the city of san diego police

02:40:20 department is different our city's police department is different and so that police

02:40:24 department decided we're just going to back out it is lost but we have an emergency text message

02:40:29 system that's sent to everybody that live in this area the amber alert but i think this is an

02:40:33 emergency text something i don't know but we all got texts everybody on my street and down the

02:40:38 streets that look the police station's on fire the police is backed out the rioters are between

02:40:43 you and the police so if anything happens and you call 9-1-1 the police cannot get to you

02:40:48 And I'm telling you this because a lot of people are like,

02:40:50 why do you need to have a gun?

02:40:51 Or why do we live in a safe country?

02:40:53 Why do you need a gun?

02:40:54 You know, you never know.

02:40:56 The Second Amendment was put in by the people

02:40:58 who put the Constitution together for a reason, right?

02:41:01 So here, at that time, we could not depend on the police.

02:41:05 And we saw the rioters.

02:41:07 You see when we come up that little street up here?

02:41:10 There was a barbershop right here.

02:41:11 There was a fish place that got burnt down.

02:41:15 They got lit up.

02:41:16 We could see, from my front yard, we could see the faces of the people.

02:41:21 That's how close the riot was, not just the flames, right?

02:41:24 So at that time, me, my son Musa, my son Yusuf, were like, we're going to defend our house, you know?

02:41:30 George Floyd died of a fend all over those.

02:41:32 Just take your left to the record.

02:41:34 Right?

02:41:35 We got the legal registered weapons that we have in this house,

02:41:40 and we stood on our property with weapons, and we were the only defense we had.

02:41:47 And people on my street,

02:41:48 those liberals that are like,

02:41:49 oh, you don't need guns,

02:41:50 they were out there,

02:41:51 we're so happy you're here.

02:41:52 Thank you.

02:41:53 Because you see that our house

02:41:54 is the first one

02:41:55 when you get down the street.

02:41:56 Very funny.

02:41:56 It's kind of like when feminists 1.00

02:41:57 would be like,

02:41:58 women empowerment,

02:41:59 until somebody breaks in.

02:42:01 And it's like, save me.

02:42:02 And then the men have to go save.

02:42:03 Same thing,

02:42:04 all the liberals here are like,

02:42:05 you don't need a gun.

02:42:06 And then times,

02:42:06 like now they're burning down buildings.

02:42:08 Thank you so much.

02:42:09 You know, during COVID,

02:42:10 you couldn't buy a gun

02:42:10 because all these liberals

02:42:11 were out buying everything they could.

02:42:13 And those guys don't know

02:42:14 how to use guns.

02:42:15 So they're having all these accidents

02:42:17 So

02:42:19 Moose of the witness do this

02:42:21 We spent the whole night standing out here

02:42:23 On my own property, legal

02:42:25 With legal weapons, saying

02:42:27 Anybody comes on this street

02:42:28 We're going to defend our house

02:42:30 So we had a guy from the writer

02:42:33 Start to come up our street

02:42:34 I don't know what they call him

02:42:36 He was like scouting or something

02:42:38 It was basically Antifa guy

02:42:40 White guy too, on a skateboard 0.59

02:42:42 He came up our street

02:42:43 For George Floyd

02:42:44 It's just a reason

02:42:46 Anyway

02:42:47 They like spray paint

02:42:48 A mural of George Floyd

02:42:50 Somewhere

02:42:51 A phenol addict

02:42:52 Who broke into homes

02:42:53 And like

02:42:55 And most of these guys

02:42:56 Weren't even black 1.00

02:42:57 It wasn't

02:42:57 It was just them

02:42:59 The barbershop

02:43:00 That burned out

02:43:01 Was black owned 1.00

02:43:02 Right 0.87

02:43:02 The black people 1.00

02:43:04 Were busy stealing Jordans 1.00

02:43:05 Free

02:43:05 I mean they were

02:43:06 That's what they were doing 0.98

02:43:07 Black people were looting 1.00

02:43:08 And getting Amiri jeans 0.99

02:43:10 With like

02:43:11 Yeah I care about race

02:43:12 Alright

02:43:12 you got a tv but it's okay they were getting they were getting nike texts i'm just kidding

02:43:18 what were you doing now he was here defending the house so this guy comes up our street

02:43:24 and all i did is i had a shotgun i said kaka they didn't say a word and as soon as he saw and heard

02:43:30 that turned right back around the riders went right past our street right they burned down

02:43:36 stuff right on that main street right there didn't come down our street so what i'm saying is look

02:43:40 guns aren't about you know being violent and things no but don't think that a time won't come

02:43:47 in this day and age in this country that you won't have to defend your house and defend your family

02:43:53 and i'm a man i'm not gonna allow somebody to come in and harm my wife and my daughters and my kids

02:43:58 without me defending my household within my legal rights within my constitutional rights

02:44:04 This is something I went through here

02:44:06 So don't tell me why do you need a gun

02:44:09 Why do you need so many guns

02:44:11 Why do you need this

02:44:11 I'm going to defend my house

02:44:13 If you're not willing to take that

02:44:15 That's up to you 1.00

02:44:15 You can watch your mom and your wife get raped 1.00

02:44:17 And you can sit there and cry 1.00

02:44:18 That's up to you but not me

02:44:20 That's not what Islam teaches us 1.00

02:44:22 You slap me

02:44:23 I'm not turning no other cheeks

02:44:25 You're not trying to get to my other cheeks

02:44:26 You slap me

02:44:28 I'm going to make sure you never slap me again 0.77

02:44:31 And that's how respectful society works

02:44:33 Stay strapped

02:44:35 Sheikh Uthman 0.89

02:44:36 Legally

02:44:37 Thank you so much

02:44:39 It's been a pleasure

02:44:41 Thank you so much for hosting us

02:44:42 I really appreciated everything you did

02:44:44 Introducing us to all those brothers

02:44:46 Bringing us around

02:44:47 Great food, great hospitality

02:44:50 Great family

02:44:52 Went from last year meeting you

02:44:54 Because of Musa 0.98

02:44:56 To now being in your home

02:44:57 I really appreciate your time

02:44:59 Alhamdulillah, it's been a pleasure having you

02:45:01 our brother snekel is doing great work forget about his past don't be sitting there trying

02:45:07 to hate on a brother he's trying to improve himself to be a good person to be a good example

02:45:11 encourage that islam has made him a better person and inshallah you will see great things out of

02:45:17 this brother i saw him giving dawah today this brother's got skills now inshallah you will see

02:45:22 it he's going to seek knowledge he's going to increase his iman he's going to increase his

02:45:26 knowledge and he's going to be a great motivation for all those people out there lost in the matrix

02:45:31 and the darknesses and the addictions and all these things inshallah inshallah and this is

02:45:37 your house you're welcome here anytime whenever you come to san diego we're here to host you

02:45:41 you know not because you're sneaker just because you're our brother in islam and like we've had

02:45:46 musa knows many people people that aren't famous that don't have that become us them they come to

02:45:50 san diego and we host them we take them around our mosque is your mosque you felt the love you

02:45:56 felt the community there our city is always open to you and honestly again i want to make this very

02:46:03 clear i don't get paid by youtube if you take my channel it won't affect my life at all what i do

02:46:08 is for the sake of allah and i love you for the sake of allah alhamdulillah thank you so much

02:46:13 bye uh we're gonna be uh two podcasts tomorrow so stay tuned for that doing bradley martin no

02:46:19 jumper a lot more work to be done i'll see you guys soon peace

02:46:23 السلام عليكم ورحمة الله للمسلمين

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SNEAKO - June 26, 2023

SNEAKO HOSTS SHAYKH UTHMAN RYAN DAWSON DEBATE

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