SNEAKO - SNEAKO HOSTS SHAYKH UTHMAN RYAN DAWSON DEBATE

00:00:00.000 This panel in here

00:00:01.840 And I wanted to set this up

00:00:04.060 This is

00:00:04.440 We have Ryan Dawson

00:00:05.380 And Sheikh Uthman

00:00:06.360 As-salamu alaykum

00:00:07.460 Wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

00:00:08.920 Al-Muslimin

00:00:09.640 Before we really get into

00:00:11.120 The conversation

00:00:11.280 Peace be upon you

00:00:12.120 There we go

00:00:13.240 I wanted to see some ones

00:00:14.400 In the chat

00:00:14.800 Actually shout out to

00:00:15.640 Ryan Dawson

00:00:16.120 He was contacted by the BBC

00:00:17.440 They were doing a hit piece on me

00:00:18.940 And Ryan Dawson

00:00:20.280 Told the BBC reporter

00:00:21.380 When Sneeko came to Japan

00:00:23.420 All he did was

00:00:24.180 Read the Quran

00:00:24.720 And pray every day

00:00:25.540 So thank you Ryan

00:00:27.020 Good support from an atheist

00:00:28.700 it's my way of saying f off

00:00:31.320 uh you just want to chat i'm wondering if you can hear me if everything sounds good before you

00:00:37.080 can uh get into this conversation it's good to see you guys second stream of the day

00:00:40.980 we good everybody i think you did pray every day just not all day

00:00:45.480 not not every day no um but i did uh quit drinking ryan yes which is good that's a win

00:00:54.180 yeah it's been it's been a while nothing cures alcohol like alcohol yeah

00:00:58.900 is that true i see well well nothing cures alcohol like too much alcohol is my joke but

00:01:06.740 um i see you made your own tea sad yes you don't like tea

00:01:14.000 no it's just i have women do it for me oh the sneaker knows what i mean

00:01:20.160 who told you we made our own tea bro i'm married yeah there you go

00:01:24.620 well i want to set up this uh this conversation because big fan of tea actually me too i love tea

00:01:32.500 they have a lot in common that's what i think this is really interesting i don't iron my own

00:01:36.720 clothes i don't clean my house i don't make my own tea i don't cook my own food i didn't get

00:01:40.700 married for nothing bro that's right well i when i visited ryan in japan for about two weeks uh

00:01:48.640 Ryan barely sleeps.

00:01:49.720 He's studying all the time.

00:01:51.420 And I'm visiting Shake With Mind currently in San Diego.

00:01:54.440 Barely sleeps.

00:01:55.140 He's raising his kids.

00:01:56.100 He's always reading.

00:01:56.780 We're in his library with books everywhere.

00:01:58.920 So I think that Ryan Dawson and Shake With Mind live a very similar lifestyle.

00:02:02.540 But at the same time, they have a lot of similarities in their worldview.

00:02:06.480 But obviously a lot of big differences, for instance, since Ryan Dawson is an atheist.

00:02:12.500 I do like the two flags you got behind you.

00:02:14.820 so that one's custom designed right there really put it on a bottle too yeah oh that's what i drink

00:02:23.100 my tea out of does it taste better it does it's like holy water

00:02:28.440 so i think that there's a there's a lot that you you might agree on and uh a lot that you might

00:02:36.040 disagree on uh from hearing both of you speak uh quite a bit uh recently ryan we were talking

00:02:42.360 And I was telling you about my reversion to Islam

00:02:45.360 And I think that your major point of contention between the two of you

00:02:48.600 Is Ryan, you think that there's truth in all religions

00:02:50.920 But Sheikh Uthman, the one message foundation is that Islam is the final religion

00:02:55.840 And the only correct religion

00:02:58.140 And the correct philosophy for life

00:03:00.600 And just basically the truth

00:03:02.360 So before we get into this

00:03:05.200 If you could clarify that Ryan

00:03:08.580 Why do you think that there's truth in all religions?

00:03:12.360 Well, most things that stand the test of time must have at least some partial truth where they wouldn't survive.

00:03:17.800 But I think a lot of it is subjective because it depends on how the person practicing the religion interprets it.

00:03:25.520 And so you're going to have all walks of life from the same type of faith, depending on how sincere they are in their belief and how much they put into it.

00:03:37.040 So you could get a Christian like Ron Paul or you could get a Pat Robertson.

00:03:40.660 You could get up Muhammad Ali or

00:03:42.820 Osama bin Laden

00:03:44.800 It's not to do with the

00:03:47.300 faith

00:03:48.440 I think religion is more like a guide or a vehicle

00:03:51.620 You've got to blame the driver

00:03:53.260 not the car for most of it

00:03:54.980 I think there's two different

00:03:57.520 points here. The first thing to say

00:03:59.280 that there's some truth in those religions

00:04:00.860 I would agree with you

00:04:02.060 But secondly the examples you give are people

00:04:05.460 Like you said you blame the driver

00:04:06.900 so that makes sense as well

00:04:08.220 But let's talk about the message

00:04:10.380 right um i believe that jesus peace and blessings be upon him was a good person he brought a good

00:04:16.380 message i don't believe he's god right uh do you believe same god okay so so that would mean that

00:04:23.380 we would agree that that aspect of christianity where they say jesus was fully god doesn't make

00:04:29.320 sense right yeah well so it depends on the christians some of them think of them as like

00:04:35.340 the Son of God, because they separate the Father and the Son.

00:04:39.600 You can see that in the book of Mark, where they say not even the Son will know the last

00:04:43.160 days of coming, right? So, even in the Bible, it says He's not

00:04:47.120 the Father. Nobody knows the coming of the hour, not even the

00:04:51.080 angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13.32, I believe.

00:04:55.920 13.32, yeah. Excellent. So, then,

00:04:59.400 Oh, no.

00:05:01.760 everything what happened i'm back my screen just went black

00:05:08.140 it's uh some people don't want us to have this they're attacking us

00:05:12.760 we won't talk about who they are but they have hats like mine except they shrunk so okay well

00:05:18.720 well well well what's wrong with that i don't think a lot of christians understand that jesus

00:05:25.740 is one of the most quoted prophets in the Quran.

00:05:28.220 They have such contention.

00:05:31.080 Who cares

00:05:31.940 if you think he's God or not?

00:05:33.580 Do you believe in the message, yes or no?

00:05:36.800 If that's the

00:05:37.840 right way to be, then

00:05:39.000 follow it.

00:05:41.720 Right. So I think me and you would agree

00:05:43.940 that Jesus wasn't God, right?

00:05:46.040 So I mean, that's something that

00:05:47.560 I think Islam also agrees with.

00:05:49.420 So you would agree that aspect of Islam

00:05:51.800 is correct, right?

00:05:52.540 well i don't think there is a god so nobody can be god okay so do you when you said there's some

00:06:01.180 truth in all religions but then you say you don't believe there's a god don't you see that as a

00:06:04.900 contradiction no because every religion believes there is a god right no all right not every

00:06:12.760 religion believes there is a god okay so buddhism doesn't have a god pantheism doesn't have a god

00:06:17.900 Hinduism has multiple gods

00:06:19.440 not everything is monotheism

00:06:21.380 you know that

00:06:22.020 Hinduism does believe there is a god

00:06:24.920 whether it's a single god

00:06:26.180 many gods

00:06:27.200 I've had many discussions and debates

00:06:31.920 you can see the One Message Foundation

00:06:33.260 with Hindus who do believe there is one superior

00:06:35.740 one final super god

00:06:38.200 and then there is denigods

00:06:39.320 but I'm not really here to defend

00:06:41.520 or give their opinion

00:06:42.560 but they do believe that there are gods

00:06:45.540 or a god or a superior god

00:06:47.740 but you don't believe that so when christians jews muslims hindus others do believe there's

00:06:53.380 a supernatural creator you you would you would say that's not true yeah i don't believe in the

00:07:00.160 supernatural okay so and also daoism and buddhism don't have gods and they are religions like they

00:07:06.560 have supernatural aspects like reincarnation for example which is supernatural but without a god

00:07:12.660 So again, you're a well-read person

00:07:15.440 so I'm sure you've read Suzuki's works on Buddhism

00:07:17.660 and so on

00:07:18.360 and there is many forms of Buddhism

00:07:21.920 as you well know

00:07:23.020 and there are Buddhists

00:07:24.800 and I was in Thailand before

00:07:27.140 I had conversations that said

00:07:29.300 they do believe there is a God

00:07:30.740 and that does not contradict their Buddhist beliefs

00:07:32.920 but again, not the point here

00:07:34.820 You could be Buddhist and Muslim

00:07:36.240 because there's no conflict

00:07:37.300 Buddhism is more about a guide on how to live your life

00:07:40.260 it doesn't have a cosmological claim

00:07:42.620 So, there are Buddhists that do believe there is a God, right?

00:07:47.620 Sure, but that's separate from their Buddhism. That's on their own.

00:07:51.620 So, where do you think we came from?

00:07:56.620 Well, I think the precept that all was void and had to be created is incorrect.

00:08:01.620 I don't think all was ever void. I think matter is eternal.

00:08:04.620 I didn't ask you what is incorrect. I asked you what you believe.

00:08:07.620 I said both.

00:08:10.620 You said came from.

00:08:12.900 I don't think there's anything to come from.

00:08:15.100 There's only being, which is outside of time.

00:08:18.260 So do you believe we've always existed?

00:08:21.540 We haven't, but existence has always existed.

00:08:24.800 How do you know that?

00:08:27.260 I think it's a logical deduction.

00:08:28.940 Something can't come from nothing, yet something is here.

00:08:31.480 Therefore, it was never nothing.

00:08:34.540 But since you weren't there,

00:08:36.380 and you have no actual proof of anything beginning or not beginning,

00:08:40.040 you're just kind of going guesswork basically right no did you hear what i just said it's a

00:08:46.420 logical deduction if somethingness is here and it can't come from nothing then it was never nothing

00:08:51.640 sure now let's take it back to the human and its development so for example

00:09:00.520 you as a human being do you believe that you evolved from nothing

00:09:04.500 No

00:09:06.740 So you were

00:09:08.960 Existence is always from prior existence

00:09:11.880 You see, you kind of contradicted yourself

00:09:13.900 Because that means you would say humans were always in existence

00:09:16.440 Or they evolved from something else

00:09:18.240 No

00:09:19.960 Just existence itself is eternal

00:09:23.780 Forms within existence are specific things

00:09:27.020 No, humans have not always existed

00:09:30.140 Ah, so they did evolve from something else

00:09:31.800 But the stuff we're made of has

00:09:34.680 Gotcha.

00:09:35.040 But that means humans did evolve from something else, according to your belief.

00:09:39.360 Yeah, all animals have evolved.

00:09:42.080 Aha.

00:09:43.720 So we have a change because earlier you didn't say that, but let's go with that.

00:09:48.280 Okay.

00:09:49.060 There is no change.

00:09:50.600 There is no contradiction in that at all.

00:09:53.140 All the things that have evolved are still made of matter.

00:09:56.420 Okay.

00:09:56.820 You see my phone?

00:09:59.360 Mm-hmm.

00:10:01.600 Be honest.

00:10:02.320 And I praised you. He said you're a good person, so I'm assuming you're going to be honest.

00:10:07.400 If I told you that this phone, by itself, evolved from everlasting matter without any engineering, without any effort, without any designer, would you believe me?

00:10:19.980 Nope.

00:10:22.460 These phones are not alive, and they cannot adapt to their environment.

00:10:25.680 Let me finish.

00:10:28.040 what's surely you know i've heard this example many times yeah so what's more complex the human

00:10:38.320 being or a phone people excellent so you would believe that something less complicated could

00:10:48.420 not evolve by itself while you would believe something way more complicated without a creator

00:10:53.860 without a designer without anybody to fashion it without anybody to grow it

00:10:58.800 would evolve by itself that doesn't make sense to me something that's not alive cannot evolve

00:11:06.000 because it cannot adapt to its environment okay so how did life then evolve you can say

00:11:11.440 in a way the things on your phone did develop on their own like there's not a camera but an eye

00:11:17.280 is like a camera so a camera developed cameras evolve we call them eyes

00:11:22.400 and now you're comparing dead things with live things right so if you are you saying some things

00:11:29.040 on this phone evolved by themselves like what no there's not going to develop into a phone but the

00:11:35.180 things that we've put on our phones mechanically mimic what has happened naturally in life do they

00:11:39.640 evolve on their own phones are not alive they cannot you said some things on the phone develop

00:11:48.640 on their own what on the phone evolves on its own i gave you an example you have a camera on your

00:11:55.120 phone which is mimicking something that already exists right the camera is made by people but

00:12:01.280 eyes eyeballs evolved so nothing on my phone evolves on its own my camera doesn't evolve on

00:12:07.760 your phone doesn't evolve because it's not alive there are things on the phone that evolve on their

00:12:22.140 own you can rewind the the screen if you like and i'm asking yes go ahead take fully what i said

00:12:29.820 things that we have put on phones mimic that which is you did not say an eye is like a camera

00:12:35.300 evolve on their own cameras yeah if you want to we call them cameras do not evolve they are designed

00:12:43.700 when you get them we don't call eyes cameras eyes are not on my phone bro you said things on your

00:12:51.080 phone will evolve on their own this is recorded come on with all due respect let's stick to the

00:12:57.080 honesty right you asked me does your phone will a phone ever evolve and i said no because it's

00:13:02.460 not alive and it cannot adapt to its environment many times. That's the whole phone and everything

00:13:07.480 on it. And you said there are things on your phone that would evolve on their own and then

00:13:12.800 you realize that nothing on the phone evolves on its own. If you upgrade, there's a designer,

00:13:18.660 there's an engineer. And I would say the human is more complex than a phone and it could not

00:13:26.700 be designed and come by

00:13:28.860 itself and evolve on its own

00:13:30.680 without a designer and somebody to

00:13:32.880 grow it. Yeah, the designer

00:13:34.800 is the planet and the solar system.

00:13:37.520 So are you saying the planet and the

00:13:38.940 solar system has intelligence?

00:13:41.060 Doesn't have to.

00:13:42.980 A designer doesn't have to have intelligence?

00:13:45.740 Can something without

00:13:46.680 intelligence design?

00:13:48.560 Or is design with intent?

00:13:51.360 Doesn't have intent.

00:13:52.320 Come on, bro.

00:13:53.980 but do you think the solar system

00:13:57.520 do you think a designer needs to be intelligent

00:13:59.860 it does not

00:14:02.460 think about what you're saying

00:14:05.200 a design

00:14:06.380 something that is developed

00:14:08.580 without there being

00:14:11.160 any intelligence

00:14:12.120 do you see

00:14:14.620 the inconsistency in that

00:14:16.400 no

00:14:17.440 it's a design

00:14:18.340 it's made for a certain path

00:14:20.900 a certain way

00:14:21.640 a certain structure

00:14:23.100 without intelligence.

00:14:26.600 Come on.

00:14:26.960 A certain structure is determined by

00:14:28.940 all other designs would have failed

00:14:30.980 other than what is adapted to its environment.

00:14:34.120 But who

00:14:34.880 designed all those?

00:14:38.600 It is not a who. It is a product of nature.

00:14:42.420 But then you gave it a name.

00:14:43.980 Nature.

00:14:45.040 You're just taking God and giving it the name nature.

00:14:45.940 Yeah, nature is physical, not supernatural.

00:14:48.740 Okay.

00:14:48.960 So does nature

00:14:50.800 design human cells?

00:14:55.860 In our specific locality,

00:14:59.340 with our specific environment,

00:15:01.180 human cells did come to fruition,

00:15:03.340 as did many other types of cells.

00:15:06.180 Okay.

00:15:07.540 Who designed them?

00:15:10.320 There is no design.

00:15:12.400 That's the natural process of this environment.

00:15:14.780 There's no intelligence behind the development

00:15:17.440 and design of the human cell.

00:15:19.360 The sun is not deciding to create sunshine.

00:15:22.440 That is a natural product of its physical characteristics.

00:15:25.800 I would agree.

00:15:27.080 But the sun doesn't design sunshine.

00:15:28.620 Nobody wills in to exist and, oh, pull this down every time.

00:15:32.720 It is just part of how nature is constructed.

00:15:35.280 Once again, you're talking about the effects of heat and things.

00:15:38.480 That's not what we're talking about.

00:15:39.360 We're talking about the development and design of the human cell.

00:15:42.860 Do you know about the minimum gene concept?

00:15:46.380 What is the minimum gene concept?

00:15:48.880 You've never heard of the minimum gene concept?

00:15:50.960 I haven't.

00:15:52.280 Okay, there's some homework for you.

00:15:54.500 I'd like you to go and research the minimum gene concept.

00:15:57.520 And in clinical trials, we have been able to see that even the smallest living cell,

00:16:02.820 the minute single cell organism, would have already had to have a minimum set of genetics

00:16:08.140 for it to survive or it would collapse.

00:16:10.720 In fact, 200 is theorized and around 300 something is proven.

00:16:13.400 so that would mean the first living cell

00:16:16.200 the first living cell

00:16:17.980 single cell organism

00:16:19.920 already had around 300 set of genetics

00:16:22.960 who put those there

00:16:24.280 that's a design

00:16:25.200 it's not an accident

00:16:27.560 and if you're going to say

00:16:28.720 it's not an accident

00:16:29.940 and it's not a design

00:16:31.940 it's not completely random

00:16:34.980 because there's

00:16:35.700 favoritism in chemistry

00:16:38.660 of what attracts what

00:16:39.840 there's only so many combinations

00:16:42.080 and we recently discovered in a lack of oxygen environment that single-cell organisms become

00:16:49.500 multicellular rather quickly than 200 generations. The question is this minimum set of genetics

00:16:57.560 in a single-set organism that it could not have survived, could not have evolved from less than

00:17:02.920 that, could have fallen apart. Something proven in clinical trials, who designed that minimum set

00:17:10.380 that was necessary for it to survive it's not designed if you have genetics that have to be

00:17:21.580 there this which takes billions of years to to formulate your mistake for billions of years

00:17:28.140 if the minimum hold on do you think the earth was made in six days i do not believe in the in the

00:17:35.980 the what is the biblical view in islam we talk about ayam ayam means a period of time it doesn't

00:17:43.140 mean 24-hour days right there are there are there are periods of time for example yom in arabic is

00:17:51.960 used for the day of judgment yom al-qiyama and one yom one period of time is 50,000 years

00:17:57.760 so i don't believe in six days like 24-hour days no and let's not change the subject here all right

00:18:04.340 So, there had to have been a minimum set of genetics.

00:18:08.660 It could not have evolved because if it was less than that, it would collapse.

00:18:12.840 Who, what set that minimum for it to have survived?

00:18:18.400 I disagree with your premise.

00:18:20.800 Well, then I'd like you to go and research the minimum set, the minimum gene concept,

00:18:26.600 which has been proven through clinical trials,

00:18:28.700 and then we can come back to another stream and discuss it.

00:18:31.520 How's that?

00:18:32.980 Okay.

00:18:34.340 I would agree with the rest of science that you can have evolution without having some creator that just may fully pledge men overnight.

00:18:42.580 You would agree with the rest of science that kind of shows some ignorance, even though I seem to be well-read.

00:18:47.940 Let me explain.

00:18:49.740 Because rest of science doesn't mean evolution.

00:18:52.980 Evolution is one theory that there are scientists that hotly debate, and there are those that disagree with it as well.

00:19:00.160 I have books here about Darwin's doubt and all that.

00:19:02.200 but science is a very broad concept the rest of science doesn't talk about evolution science

00:19:08.460 talks about many things it's a system it's a process you have hypotheses you put them through

00:19:12.620 tests repeatability placebo effects all these kinds of stuff this what i'm talking about is

00:19:17.860 something you can prove in a controlled environment evolution is a theory if i'm not mistaken and

00:19:24.620 interspecies evolution cannot and has never been proven in a controlled environment so it remains

00:19:29.840 a theory up for debate. Minimum gene concept is something we can prove in a controlled environment,

00:19:36.280 so science with proof in a controlled environment has proved it, unlike interspecies evolution.

00:19:45.940 A theory is not like the way people use it in colloquial speech by saying,

00:19:52.360 oh, I have a theory. It just means an idea. A theory is when you have a bunch of different

00:19:59.220 facts and bridge principles that tie things together and stand the test of time gravity

00:20:04.940 is a theory standing we don't doubt it like oh well it's just a theory is a weird phrase to say

00:20:12.180 hold on let me explain something because i work in the medical device industry i work with clinical

00:20:16.820 trials all day long so don't think that i'm coming at this without knowing anybody can put forward

00:20:22.100 a theory in science i can put forward a hypothesis you cannot put forward a theory it can be my

00:20:27.700 theory right i can say from my testing and from my facts i believe in this this is what i see as to

00:20:34.400 be how this works somebody else can come and disagree with that until you can prove it in a

00:20:40.000 controlled environment we take these to be theories right even gravity there are people who debate why

00:20:46.820 things fall is it for sure is it right so when you have something you can prove in a controlled

00:20:55.260 the environment that is different from something that you based on certain facts and certain ideas

00:21:02.080 and certain observations considered to be a theory. This is why I asked you if you knew about the

00:21:08.000 minimum gene concept and this is why I'm graciously allowing you to go and research it before we come

00:21:13.240 back to the subject. Good? Okay. Combustion is a theory, gravity is a theory, all kinds of things

00:21:19.440 are theories that we don't sincerely doubt. They're always open because science has a tool

00:21:25.080 is not dogmatic.

00:21:27.460 And so anybody is free to disprove

00:21:29.740 any theory they wish.

00:21:30.800 That which we can prove in a clinical trial

00:21:33.560 in a controlled environment

00:21:35.080 is very different from that which we cannot.

00:21:38.900 Now, let me explain that.

00:21:40.960 For example, Neanderthals.

00:21:42.640 When I was in high school,

00:21:44.300 they taught us that there were primates,

00:21:47.940 they became Neanderthals,

00:21:49.380 then they became human.

00:21:50.360 That was a theory, right?

00:21:52.540 Today, evolutionists will tell you,

00:21:54.360 know neanderthals were a separate species and humanoids were different separate species

00:21:58.520 so that theory term because you could not prove it in a controlled environment now

00:22:03.740 can who told you that people came from neanderthals

00:22:07.760 so again this is what my science teacher in high school taught us in science books and you can

00:22:14.720 google it you can look up it had a chart even where you have a primate a neanderthal then a

00:22:19.180 with a briefcase so you can look these things up and these were taught now when was it's always

00:22:25.660 been the missing link do you want to go google pro magnans and neanderthals and homo sapiens are

00:22:31.740 all branched from a common ancestor not from each other well again you can google the charts and

00:22:38.140 all that i can i mean offline i can send you they don't need to but yeah i'm letting you know

00:22:42.720 so now when you have something very different like if we take a controlled environment and

00:22:48.740 we take a certain substance and we say this substance makes that burn up, right? We come

00:22:54.420 up with that hypothesis, we theorize why, but then we can prove it in a controlled environment

00:23:00.720 that's very different in science. That's why pharmaceuticals and medical devices go through

00:23:06.440 that process, animal testing, human testing, and all of that, right? So the minimum gene

00:23:11.740 concept, unlike the theory of evolution, has been tested through that. Look it up, research

00:23:18.640 it you're a reader we'll come back and talk about it all right because i don't agree with that

00:23:23.920 premise at all well i don't like the phrase just a theory because all kinds of things you believe

00:23:30.720 in are theories like when you light a candle and we say the oxygen bombardment is making bonds with

00:23:37.120 whatever is being burned again what's the difference there is we can test that in a controlled

00:23:41.840 environment yeah but we still call it and we have right but there's a difference there when you when

00:23:47.840 you have repeatability i can take a candle i can make a vacuum with no oxygen all of that

00:23:52.640 that is very different you can have the heat and everything it won't burn without oxygen exactly

00:23:57.200 so that's reasonable you're proving my point for me because we can test that we can take the oxygen

00:24:04.480 away as we say there must be oxygen must be involved somehow in this thing we're calling

00:24:09.520 fire it's not just the heat and friction and stuff you have to have in a controlled environment

00:24:14.080 That's something you cannot do

00:24:17.580 with the theory of interspecies evolution

00:24:19.680 and you can do

00:24:21.560 with a minimum gene concept.

00:24:23.540 Thank you for proving my point.

00:24:26.560 Okay.

00:24:28.140 Ryan, there's one thing

00:24:29.760 that

00:24:30.020 I want you

00:24:33.200 to explain.

00:24:35.200 When we were in Japan, we talked in depth

00:24:37.440 about the Abrahamic religions

00:24:39.320 and about how when they

00:24:41.460 talk about the elites or the people that control the world,

00:24:43.620 You do believe in demons, correct?

00:24:50.340 Well, I like that word for them.

00:24:52.380 Because to me, if there wasn't any devils or gods or djinn or angels or anything,

00:24:59.000 what would be the most evil thing on earth?

00:25:03.920 And do you believe that they can...

00:25:05.620 It would be other people, right?

00:25:07.000 Yeah.

00:25:08.560 To me, the epitome of evil is an evil person.

00:25:11.060 i'm sorry so do you believe in demons or you don't believe in humans non-human well i just like the

00:25:17.340 like i believe i call people demonic or satanic i don't actually think there's like some ghost-like

00:25:23.260 entity possessing them or anything i just think they're an asshole that's all okay i do think

00:25:30.160 what i call a demon is a damaged mind and so you might say you don't think the brain is the mind

00:25:36.280 you think the spirit is in the brain or something so you can think it's a demon if you want

00:25:40.740 i think the mind and the brain are one's a product of the other and so when you have a damaged mind

00:25:49.080 or you might say damaged spirit that's a demon when somebody's mind is messed up enough to enjoy

00:25:57.700 raping a child for example like there are people that get off on that something is deeply wrong

00:26:03.700 with them something's wrong with their brain but you don't believe in like

00:26:09.740 supernatural demons

00:26:12.960 if there were no people on earth

00:26:16.040 there would not be good and evil

00:26:17.380 and even in

00:26:20.140 the Christian and Muslim faith

00:26:22.160 if you don't have knowledge of good and evil

00:26:24.300 there isn't a good and evil

00:26:25.340 that's a special quality of people

00:26:28.280 have the ability to reason

00:26:29.300 again

00:26:31.540 please don't speak for the Muslim faith

00:26:34.220 because with even your good reading

00:26:36.700 in fact

00:26:38.780 we do believe there was good and evil before there were people there was a belief of jinn who

00:26:42.800 had good and evil and they had facade they used to kill and things so so don't speak for us i

00:26:47.720 appreciate that now when you say good and evil that that's an interesting concept i do want to

00:26:52.660 know how do you define good and evil you i'm not the one that defines good and evil that is a

00:27:01.080 societal thing oh so if society considers something to be good then it's good no so is there any

00:27:09.200 there's a lot of things that for example there's some things that just about every society agrees

00:27:15.720 on not raping children or things like that but there's other things like well i would have again

00:27:19.980 whatever maybe you don't believe in eating pig i would i don't believe i would disagree with you

00:27:24.980 there are i mean if you go to the bible and you find about the rapes that happen in you know the

00:27:30.220 old testament uh you know so i mean let's not even but but i would say do you say what society

00:27:37.380 defines as good is good and what society defines as so if tomorrow all of society came in together

00:27:43.680 and agreed that it was good to rape children would that mean it's good no i'm not talking

00:27:49.800 about what ought to be i'm talking about what is what what a society defines as good we can

00:27:56.220 disagree with it but it's going to be done but is it good

00:27:59.820 no every society is going to make mistakes about what's good okay so that means that's why they

00:28:07.340 change cultures evolve over time as well like look we used to think slavery was okay including

00:28:12.600 in islam we now society's not no no no no no we never have yes yes we have again please don't

00:28:19.380 speak for us you can ask and i'll explain well they practiced slavery for over a thousand years

00:28:23.640 and didn't have a problem with it.

00:28:24.860 They also have a divine right of kings,

00:28:26.540 don't have a problem with monarchy.

00:28:28.780 That's not a denial of a thing.

00:28:30.300 That was a cultural thing.

00:28:31.380 You say, well, that wasn't God.

00:28:32.300 That was the people,

00:28:33.240 and they just got it wrong.

00:28:34.800 Once again,

00:28:35.860 if you're going to ask about Islam,

00:28:37.260 then we're going to do the Quran,

00:28:38.520 we're going to go to the Surah.

00:28:39.260 If you're going to ask about history,

00:28:40.940 Islamic countries had slaves.

00:28:44.180 That is true.

00:28:45.320 But when you say Islam,

00:28:46.920 that is very different from Islamic.

00:28:48.460 Islamic countries have corruption.

00:28:50.180 Christian countries have homosexuality.

00:28:51.720 that doesn't mean christianity allows it so watch your what you're ascribing to okay but let's not

00:28:58.440 get off the subject i wanted i asked you what is good and what is evil and you said what society

00:29:03.180 deems is that your definition of good and evil what society deems as good is good no and what

00:29:09.100 society deem as evil is evil what's good and what's wrong and what's right is different than

00:29:16.220 good and evil. What's right is what's true. What's good is a decision that we make based

00:29:25.300 on our own reason and empathy. Is stealing evil? Yes, I believe taxes are evil. I like

00:29:36.100 how you use humor to get out of the question. It doesn't get out of the question. Like stealing

00:29:40.260 is wrong. But I can think of a situation where I can think of some situations where it's

00:29:45.700 not the question is why is it wrong why is it evil what is the harm you're producing on other

00:29:53.160 people ah so if you produce harm on other people that's evil no you're making a specific into

00:30:02.900 something broad look again what's good and what's evil there's a question the example is stealing

00:30:12.460 You asked why stealing is wrong

00:30:14.060 And I said because of the harm you're producing to other people

00:30:16.400 Then you jumped to so you can't do any harm to any people

00:30:18.860 I can do harm to people

00:30:20.600 I can do harm to somebody bad

00:30:22.360 I can stop a thief

00:30:24.420 I can harm somebody who's trying to steal

00:30:26.680 From someone else

00:30:28.060 That doesn't seem harm itself

00:30:30.440 Isn't doesn't what is not what

00:30:32.480 Constitutes it

00:30:33.440 You have to have a context

00:30:35.160 There's not any hypocrisy there

00:30:37.800 Hold on let me speak

00:30:39.400 I'll let you speak

00:30:40.220 is you said stealing is evil and the reason you gave for that is that it harms and then you said

00:30:47.900 some harms are not evil who makes that decision do you not see the difference between a subset of

00:30:55.720 a category in the broad category did you hear my question i did did you hear my response

00:31:01.900 that wasn't a response

00:31:03.940 the question is

00:31:05.620 who makes that distinction

00:31:07.860 of this harm being evil

00:31:10.140 and this harm not being evil

00:31:12.280 all of our judgments about good and evil

00:31:14.700 are made by us

00:31:15.640 so we decide what's good and evil

00:31:19.000 yeah because that whole concept

00:31:22.460 of a good or evil is from people

00:31:24.160 okay so for example a crusader

00:31:26.560 that says that raping and killing

00:31:28.700 here in the holy land

00:31:31.120 for example, for a crusade or a holy cause, or a terrorist from ISIS

00:31:35.100 saying that you can rape and steal, but they deem that to be good.

00:31:39.220 Is it good? I would disagree with them and say it isn't good,

00:31:43.360 but they think it's good. So then you would say

00:31:46.880 you end up in a situation of might makes what is.

00:31:50.660 So then might determines good and evil. No, might just determines

00:31:55.160 what's going to happen. So in the end, then you're saying

00:31:59.120 that good and evil are all subjective to people's own opinions.

00:32:03.260 So if society decides that it's good to have slaves, then it's good.

00:32:08.420 And if society decides it's evil to have slaves, then it's evil.

00:32:11.880 Is that your premise?

00:32:14.080 If a society decides to have slaves, there will be slavery.

00:32:18.080 I'm being descriptive.

00:32:18.820 Is it good?

00:32:19.460 I'm not asking whether it will happen.

00:32:22.240 Again, you're jumping from whether it's good or not.

00:32:25.100 No, I'm not.

00:32:25.520 I'm not saying if society decides to raise children, it will happen.

00:32:29.120 okay there were people who we like for example i'll give you another example because we don't

00:32:34.600 have slaves anymore there are a lot of people that circumcise their sons i think that's just

00:32:41.640 genital mutilation and horrible why would you cut off a piece of someone's penis it's crazy

00:32:45.620 but i don't think the people that are doing that hate their children or acting in some benevolent

00:32:52.440 like benevolent way like oh i want to do this i'm going to harm you i'm going to cut off a piece of

00:32:57.000 dick in their head because of their faith or whatever they think this is a necessary thing

00:33:03.240 and that they're helping their child and so it's not like that person's evil that person's stupid

00:33:10.040 and there's a difference okay now regarding circumcision that's why i said what's right

00:33:16.200 is what's true and there's a difference between your judgment of what you think like is your

00:33:21.960 basis on what you're thinking is good based on reality and truth or some sort of dogmatic fiction

00:33:28.720 would you like an answer well i'm using the royal you not you personally i'm saying

00:33:37.260 that's why i asked that you want to answer okay yeah so now now once again um when we talk about

00:33:43.480 you talked about good and evil and i still haven't got a definition of what defines good and evil

00:33:50.040 what society decides will be will be sure if society decides that we're going to kill children

00:33:55.620 they will kill them but that doesn't make it good or evil right so if you're if you're saying that

00:34:01.980 you believe for example that circumcision is is wrong and somebody else believes that there's

00:34:07.840 health benefit it's cleaner it's better so now there is no good and evil which which kind of

00:34:13.660 blows my mind because then there is a true and not true okay and it is not true that it is a

00:34:19.220 health benefit or any of those things, which makes them incorrect.

00:34:21.440 I would disagree with you there. Again, who defines true and not true? There are studies,

00:34:26.120 I have some, that were done out of Imam Sa'ud University that shows that circumcision does.

00:34:29.980 A few billion Asians that don't get circumcised and they're not all running around with urinary

00:34:34.180 crack infections. Once again, that's very unscientific for you to say that.

00:34:37.980 No, it isn't at all. Because many things, many things that do not happen from a billion people

00:34:42.780 walking around doing, a billion people smoke, but we can say that smoking does cause many forms

00:34:47.700 of cancer right exactly so when you look at a clinical trial where you take a controlled

00:34:53.520 population you have a population that is circumcised one that's not and then you look

00:34:57.920 at how many diseases who gets and what type of disease what type of infections that

00:35:02.340 happened to it as in a billion christians are whatever that's not scientific that's just

00:35:09.380 childish right so there are studies that were done that there are studies that were done that

00:35:14.520 show the benefits of circumcision but that's not even the point here the point here no there is a

00:35:18.660 point there because the studies being done to promote circumcision you cannot keep science

00:35:24.180 in a vacuum as if there's no other economic or political incentives to pollute what they're

00:35:28.820 doing when you have people who have uh medicare then you know that's another line item that they

00:35:35.260 can check off so every male that's born has to have this procedure done and it's more things

00:35:39.740 that they can charge to the government and make more money it's quite childish for you to say

00:35:43.900 Where that doesn't exist, you don't have all these circumcisions.

00:35:47.480 So it seems like there's a monetary incentive to have this surgery done

00:35:50.980 rather than it helping the child in some way to cut off a piece of his penis.

00:35:55.320 Once again, that is incorrect.

00:35:57.220 It's not a country where they have Medicare.

00:35:59.900 Because I'm telling you, the studies were done out of Saudi Arabia.

00:36:02.960 They don't have Medicare.

00:36:04.580 Circumcision is not done for money to build a government.

00:36:07.600 Saudi Arabia has a religious belief.

00:36:09.980 Again, this is a scientific study with a controlled environment,

00:36:13.660 with controlled groups

00:36:14.760 it's not about

00:36:15.880 but your medicare

00:36:17.900 was just a rant

00:36:18.860 that was totally off

00:36:19.680 it was not about medicare

00:36:20.720 it was not about

00:36:21.200 billing the government

00:36:21.860 you're just throwing stuff out

00:36:23.100 my point is

00:36:25.180 if somebody believes

00:36:26.220 this is good

00:36:26.920 and somebody else

00:36:27.880 believes this is evil

00:36:28.940 how do you decide

00:36:30.360 the benefits of

00:36:35.160 having foreskin

00:36:36.500 again I'm not talking

00:36:37.960 about circumcision

00:36:38.460 I'm talking about

00:36:39.260 generally

00:36:39.480 weigh that out

00:36:40.740 and then the

00:36:41.500 pointlessness of

00:36:42.400 cutting it off

00:36:43.300 and you can weight it in truth

00:36:45.660 and your studies whatever

00:36:47.060 because you have political biases and religious biases

00:36:49.940 that come up with a particular answer

00:36:51.700 and if you have a controlled environment

00:36:54.020 where you can prove statistically

00:36:55.920 that infection

00:36:57.760 like the whole country of Japan or China

00:36:59.860 or something with all these people

00:37:01.500 who are not being circumcised

00:37:02.940 and do not have all these problems

00:37:04.380 have you done a scientific study

00:37:07.240 on infections

00:37:09.260 caused in Japan

00:37:10.400 compared to Kuwait for example

00:37:12.540 What? Infections of what? Your foreskin?

00:37:14.600 It's like saying, well, if you pull out all your teeth, you'll never have a cavity.

00:37:19.380 Exactly.

00:37:20.600 So if the foreskin being gone saves you from cavity.

00:37:21.660 You will not have a cavity if you get rid of your teeth.

00:37:25.180 Exactly.

00:37:26.160 But you need to chew.

00:37:27.980 But you don't need foreskin to chew.

00:37:30.000 And if you won't get an infection by not having the foreskin, then that's a benefit.

00:37:33.280 Foreskin has a different purpose than your teeth, but it has a purpose.

00:37:36.540 What's the purpose?

00:37:38.440 The purpose of your foreskin is for intercourse.

00:37:41.160 you can have intercourse without foreskin majority of your nerve endings or any foreskin a lot of

00:37:46.400 people with erectile dysfunction when they're older is because they do not have the same sense

00:37:50.740 of sensation that they would have if they had their entire penis where did you get that statistic

00:37:55.460 do you want to look up the nerve endings that exist in the foreskin you said the majority of

00:38:00.800 people with ed at the older age because they don't have this where did you get this from

00:38:03.940 is there a clinical study you can cite or you just made that up i don't have one right like

00:38:09.640 oh let me go get this i didn't know i was going to be talking about circumcision out of the blue

00:38:13.180 my question to you that you're running from is if you have the majority of the nerve endings that

00:38:19.180 produce pleasure for your dick and your foreskin and you remove that it will be harder to get an

00:38:24.880 erection i think the bigger question that i haven't uh heard an answer from ryan is is who decides

00:38:31.120 what's good and evil if if you can't if are you saying that people it's up to an individual to

00:38:37.380 decide good and evil for themselves because that's

00:38:39.440 when

00:38:39.640 people end up doing satanic things like

00:38:43.480 circumcision, for example, or

00:38:45.340 doing evil. Circumcision

00:38:47.280 came from religion. Nobody dreamed

00:38:49.380 up cutting off baby days until somebody

00:38:51.540 put that in a holy scripture.

00:38:53.360 I'm curious to what your

00:38:54.960 view... You can't burn a witch if you don't

00:38:57.340 think witches are real.

00:39:00.500 So a lot of

00:39:01.360 these problems come from their own fantasies.

00:39:03.380 Well, that person is practicing magic and stuff.

00:39:05.540 If you don't believe in witches, then you don't believe in witches.

00:39:07.760 You're just running now.

00:39:08.360 Because witches aren't there.

00:39:09.060 This is pretty sad.

00:39:09.860 I expected better.

00:39:11.580 Who decides good and evil?

00:39:14.740 We do.

00:39:16.160 That's just how it is.

00:39:17.360 I know you want to have some objective, authoritarian source of what's right and wrong.

00:39:23.580 Who's we?

00:39:25.980 Yes, people.

00:39:27.700 So if somebody decides that a satanic ritual killing a child is good, you would say then that's good?

00:39:34.300 No, because I am not them.

00:39:36.860 So everybody has their own morale.

00:39:38.840 So if they feel that this is good, then it's okay.

00:39:42.220 Are you the decider?

00:39:43.860 You are being childish now.

00:39:46.200 Really?

00:39:46.800 Am I?

00:39:47.280 So if somebody believes that killing children...

00:39:49.420 What is the alternative to you're not allowed to think for yourself to determine what's right and wrong?

00:39:55.120 As to what?

00:39:55.760 Follow the book?

00:39:56.500 You're jumping, right?

00:39:57.820 Look, you're jumping to my alternative because you don't have an answer, right?

00:40:01.040 No, you don't understand my answer

00:40:03.760 I can decide what's right and wrong

00:40:05.800 Based on my own reason and empathy

00:40:07.680 I don't want to rape and kill

00:40:09.680 I don't need a cosmic babysitter

00:40:12.520 To tell me that stealing is wrong

00:40:14.400 Or killing people is wrong

00:40:15.380 Everyone can determine that on their own

00:40:17.800 If Jeffrey Epstein

00:40:20.160 Was to determine on his own

00:40:22.180 That it is okay

00:40:23.040 Then between your okay and his okay

00:40:25.340 Who's right?

00:40:26.760 Because you're both, I'm hoping

00:40:29.020 On an opposing spectrum of that

00:40:30.840 if he believed it's okay to rape a child and you believe it's not which one is good and evil

00:40:36.740 silence mine is good because i am we are a determined society not to rape children

00:40:45.960 mine is good and his is evil that's your answer seriously that's your answer too my religion is

00:40:51.960 right the rest of the wrong it's look look look look again you're jumping to me because you know

00:40:57.180 you couldn't answer that question i answered that question raping children's wrong because that's

00:41:03.140 what i've decided was that the question he would say the opposite right jeffrey epstein was like

00:41:07.640 oh it's okay okay you asked me what i think i think he's wrong i'm right the question there is

00:41:14.500 he would think he's right and you're wrong yes he would end which one is so that means there's

00:41:21.420 no good and evil it's whatever you think oh no there's somebody thinks something we just have

00:41:26.480 different opinions on what is good and what is evil see again there's a fortunately most people

00:41:31.620 agree with me and locked him up and put him in jail for raping kids well he didn't kill himself

00:41:36.620 in jail so he definitely had somebody else that was uh anyway i don't know i helped uncover that

00:41:43.340 epstein ring more than anybody appreciate we appreciate that from you so once again if we say

00:41:49.300 there is no good and evil it's everybody's own opinions if somebody no there's not a there's

00:41:56.060 still good and evil it's just not objective there isn't a way to be like well this guy got all the

00:42:00.580 answers right we should follow that person so once again this is something that's hashed out

00:42:05.240 through discussion and lots of other things you don't have like not killing people is a pretty

00:42:10.860 dumb example because almost every society whether it's secular religious or not has decided not to

00:42:17.400 kill people it's in their own interest they could be definitely disagree with that they don't want

00:42:21.160 That happens, so they're not going to do that.

00:42:22.520 Almost every society finds reasons to kill people.

00:42:26.080 You can see Ukraine.

00:42:27.340 You can see Palestine.

00:42:29.060 You can see the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:42:32.200 Almost every society finds a reason to justify killing people.

00:42:36.740 That is a fascinating thing because every society has laws against murder,

00:42:41.920 and yet the government is above it.

00:42:44.340 Exactly.

00:42:45.160 That is exactly my point, that every society says it's wrong to kill people,

00:42:50.180 but then they determine when it's okay and if russia determines it's okay to kill look i'm not

00:42:56.780 trying to defend the middle east you're you think as if i'm here to defend the middle east no

00:42:59.860 if the problem is again you have you have fallen in your own trap here because no you think we

00:43:05.340 are all muslim that killing would stop and governments wouldn't still attack each other

00:43:09.380 did i say that i'm asking you that did i say okay so so this is the problem we're not

00:43:15.880 finish with the idea of good and evil, right?

00:43:18.820 As you were saying,

00:43:20.420 that if somebody believes something is good,

00:43:22.620 then it's good.

00:43:23.800 And if somebody believes it's evil, it's evil.

00:43:26.260 Then when society says it's okay to...

00:43:27.760 One person doesn't get to say

00:43:29.400 what is good for everything.

00:43:32.140 It is a belief.

00:43:34.100 You don't have objectivity

00:43:36.280 on something that's subjective.

00:43:40.340 Okay.

00:43:40.980 So if somebody believes, as a society...

00:43:43.400 I cannot say chicken is good.

00:43:45.420 I might like it. Others don't. It's a subjective thing.

00:43:49.460 That is something we battle out between each other all the time.

00:43:52.220 And it doesn't matter whether you're religious or not.

00:43:54.160 You can have different sex. You have different interpretations.

00:43:57.680 Would you say killing people is good or evil?

00:44:03.860 Depends on who's being killed.

00:44:07.260 See? Now, here when we talk about things like the death penalty, is it good or is it evil?

00:44:15.420 That one I disagree with because of the – at least in the United States.

00:44:21.420 You believe it's evil?

00:44:22.540 Because I think – well, I don't have a problem with killing somebody that's killed people.

00:44:27.220 My problem is the judicial system where somebody –

00:44:31.260 So if somebody believes –

00:44:32.580 They're forced to go through all the appeals and court processes anyway just for the sake of a lot of people getting money off of a – like it's a product.

00:44:41.140 where I think whoever was wrong

00:44:44.560 should just kill them.

00:44:46.280 So now your belief is contrary to,

00:44:50.780 for example, the majority of the states in America,

00:44:53.260 at least Texas, I know, right?

00:44:55.120 So now this whole society there

00:44:57.160 with lots of people...

00:44:58.560 I think Texas does have a death penalty.

00:45:00.820 That's what I'm saying.

00:45:01.720 Your belief that death penalty

00:45:03.760 in the United States is wrong

00:45:05.060 is against that majority.

00:45:08.120 So they think this is good.

00:45:09.540 No, they don't even discuss what I just said.

00:45:12.940 They're just deciding whether or not it's right to kill someone or not kill someone.

00:45:16.640 I don't have a problem with killing a bad person.

00:45:19.180 I have a problem with the way it's processed and how expensive it is.

00:45:23.080 Okay, so those countries that do not believe in the death penalty at all,

00:45:27.300 and they believe it's evil, even if it's a bad person,

00:45:31.060 between you and them now, good and evil is different.

00:45:33.280 And that's a whole society, right?

00:45:35.360 Yep.

00:45:35.900 So who's right and who's wrong?

00:45:37.280 Who's evil and who's good?

00:45:38.340 I mean, there is no good and evil.

00:45:39.700 It's subjective to everybody's own opinions.

00:45:42.280 If that society...

00:45:43.500 No, it just means good and evil is subjective.

00:45:44.540 That's all it means.

00:45:45.500 No one says evil doesn't exist.

00:45:47.260 We all think there is an evil.

00:45:48.920 We just disagree about what it is.

00:45:50.880 Well, I mean, there are people that I've spoken to that believe there's no such thing as evil,

00:45:54.460 and it's all just...

00:45:55.400 Anything could be good and evil, but that's all different.

00:45:57.560 Then hit them and see what they think.

00:45:59.600 Yeah, well...

00:46:01.120 If you don't believe in evil, then kick them in the nuts.

00:46:03.720 Like, was that wrong?

00:46:04.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:04.960 i mean there are people that asked buddhists actually that said you know for me to defend

00:46:10.480 myself even if you hit me would be wrong and if you hit me that was part of my whatever so it's

00:46:15.060 nothing wrong with it but that's not my question to you now that gets to be is like is yeah jainism

00:46:20.680 there you go um now if we have no subjective good and evil and every society comes up with

00:46:28.940 their own laws and ideas of good and evil then that would mean if the society tomorrow comes

00:46:33.920 together and decides that that you know homosexuality is good then it would become good

00:46:39.680 because this whole society has come together to agree on that gay marriage you know many states

00:46:45.640 i think majority in the u.s now allow it does that mean it's good you see you fell apart right there

00:46:51.960 i mean i've said this like 20 times whether or not the society decides is good doesn't mean it's

00:47:01.120 good it just means that's what it's going to happen okay so that would mean right so if there's

00:47:06.500 a society that has a death penalty and another one that doesn't have the death penalty they are

00:47:10.580 just going to disagree about what they think is evil and that's how it is okay so that means there

00:47:16.020 is no good and evil because whatever people's ideas are defining right so if there's a good

00:47:23.060 and evil there just isn't an objective way to decide which one is correct so again that would

00:47:29.000 mean we have no measuring stick right we have nowhere to determine that if somebody a person

00:47:34.600 decides it's good to rape children you're saying then that's it that's become good to them right

00:47:42.280 and it's european but he doesn't live in a world all by himself because the children don't like

00:47:47.660 being in a world in a world if and in a world that majority goes saying homosexuality is good

00:47:55.460 then would you say that your

00:47:57.400 minority view that gay marriage

00:47:59.460 is wrong is wrong because we don't live

00:48:01.420 in a world by ourselves

00:48:02.900 obviously whatever my own

00:48:07.540 view is is my view because that's

00:48:09.420 what I believe is right and wrong

00:48:10.960 it doesn't matter to me what society

00:48:13.440 says but I am still going to have to

00:48:15.260 obey society's laws or they are physically

00:48:17.100 going to put me in a cage

00:48:18.180 obeying laws isn't the question here

00:48:20.480 it just means that there is no definition

00:48:22.980 of good and evil with you

00:48:24.780 right anything can be good and anything can be evil including the exact same action

00:48:34.140 i have my own moral code for what i think is right or wrong but i am not king of the universe and i

00:48:39.340 do not make everybody follow what i think right so i am going to have to through conversation

00:48:45.660 whatever i can try and influence people say hey you shouldn't do that you ought to do this

00:48:50.380 but that is just where we live i mean that is how it is you can talk about well it shouldn't be that

00:48:56.300 way guess what it is we do have societies that decide stuff is right that maybe you and i are

00:49:01.980 like that's up we shouldn't do that but hey they're gonna and we have even within you know the same

00:49:09.420 areas you can look contrast the past with the present there are things that we find very

00:49:13.980 abhorrent now that were okay in the past and it wasn't like the people doing them

00:49:20.540 thought it was wrong but did it anyway they honestly didn't even think it was wrong

00:49:25.820 so that action then is it good is it evil so i would say to figure out the best path to figure

00:49:35.980 out what is good since you don't want to fall into cultural relativism is to find out what is true

00:49:42.220 and so for example when a baby's born it has a little piece of the umbilical cord still on it

00:49:49.120 you shouldn't just tear that off we know that now uh because you can actually cause infection you

00:49:54.400 can harm the baby now you could have a society of leading some voodoo whatever that just they

00:50:00.300 burned it off or whatever and a lot of their kids would die now you can say even within your own

00:50:06.020 society's moral value set you value life more than death right so you don't want to do things

00:50:12.000 that will cause someone to die and so they agree yeah they want the kid to live you want the kid

00:50:17.060 to live okay well is your action causing that to happen right letting it fall off is better than

00:50:23.560 pulling it off right and that's something you say you can clinically test that or whatever you can

00:50:27.840 just figure that out so you can say tearing it off is wrong because it doesn't match reality

00:50:35.060 you can say well it's ugly and it's not piece of the baby we're just gonna rip it off you

00:50:38.540 whatever what your reason was guess what it doesn't match the truth the truth is doing that

00:50:44.320 will harm the child every time but more often than if you just let it fall off and so when

00:50:49.960 you're trying to figure out what's correct or not it should be tied to the truth now you can't

00:50:55.400 always have the truth you can't have more simple things and that's like well we don't know what

00:51:00.920 the limits of that is either that's why we're constantly expanding our knowledge of science

00:51:05.680 philosophies and so on so that we can gather more truth so we can have better ideas that are more

00:51:11.200 correct you want your good tied to truth if your good isn't tied to truth eventually like you can

00:51:18.480 think whatever you but you will be incorrect and that's what i say is bad and then if you're

00:51:24.400 knowingly doing bad then it's evil so let's use that system and your system about what looking

00:51:32.260 a truth and tell me is abortion good or evil it's good because the majority of people getting

00:51:39.920 abortions are democrats so it ends up being a net positive and i don't know that to be a fact

00:51:46.780 first off i think it's an assumption but secondly um you didn't answer the question you just used

00:51:52.480 the joke to kind of jump away from it that's not a joke if more democrats are not born that is a

00:51:57.920 that positive for society.

00:52:00.180 Those children could have ended up being

00:52:01.680 Republicans, Democrats, Independents.

00:52:04.020 You don't really know. Most likely you are

00:52:05.980 what your parents are.

00:52:09.760 That's really your answer.

00:52:11.620 Come on.

00:52:14.980 Okay, let's say

00:52:15.960 that they weren't going to be Democrats.

00:52:17.020 Okay, they might all live, but they're going to grow up

00:52:19.840 to be Democrats and end up doing more

00:52:21.800 harm than if they just died as a baby.

00:52:25.380 That's not right.

00:52:26.000 Okay, well, then how about abortion?

00:52:27.920 for non-democrats yeah i i think um i'm against abortion i don't believe it's a baby but i

00:52:39.440 believe it's supposed to be a baby like you could say well that's a fetus and that's an embryo and

00:52:44.180 i agree like a fetus is not a baby an embryo is not a baby but it has a teleology right like if

00:52:50.800 i went and destroyed all the acorns technically i didn't cut down any oak trees but you know

00:52:56.560 that one comes from the other and so i don't think you people should be getting abortions

00:53:02.260 unless there's some weird circumstance right like you're going to kill the mom or something but

00:53:07.720 that's almost never the case like 90 something plus percent of abortions are people just lazy

00:53:13.000 and using it as birth control so it's bad evil i think so but i don't think the people getting

00:53:20.340 them think the way i do so using your truth and you didn't come up with an answer because you just

00:53:27.420 said i think so and they don't right so your system didn't give us an answer well that is how

00:53:33.580 it is isn't it so then you don't have does that not match reality that i can think is wrong and

00:53:38.840 people do them anyway but then that's the point that's the point it's not whether they can do it

00:53:44.320 or not whether it's good or evil and you said we've tied to the truth and we tried but then

00:53:49.020 And with abortion, you didn't have anything.

00:53:51.720 It's just what you think.

00:53:53.320 Somebody else may think it's not a baby, it's not a fetus, it's embryo right now, and this, and I can do it.

00:53:58.220 Would you like to explain the alternative to where it is not what I think?

00:54:02.040 I mean, I'm going to think either I'm going to be for it or against it, right?

00:54:05.800 Or indifferent, I guess.

00:54:06.860 It's still going to be what it is.

00:54:08.520 You being for or against something doesn't mean it's good or evil, right?

00:54:12.940 Right, but it just shows what I think is evil or not.

00:54:17.000 Exactly.

00:54:17.440 I personally would not get an abortion

00:54:20.840 but somebody else may

00:54:24.200 somebody else think I'm too young to have a kid

00:54:26.540 it's going to ruin my life

00:54:27.620 I won't be able to take care of this

00:54:28.920 whatever goes through their head

00:54:30.200 that's their decision

00:54:32.600 so that means you cannot give an answer

00:54:35.440 whether abortion is good or evil

00:54:37.480 it's just whether your opinion is good

00:54:39.720 and somebody else's

00:54:41.180 I don't have enough confidence in my opinion

00:54:44.260 to tell other people what they ought to do

00:54:46.020 with their reproductive organs and stuff.

00:54:47.980 I'm just saying I wouldn't do it.

00:54:50.280 But then you have no answer whether it's good or evil.

00:54:54.480 Well, I wouldn't do it.

00:54:56.960 That's not an answer.

00:54:58.800 I wouldn't drink green broccoli juice.

00:55:02.020 I think it ends up being good

00:55:03.560 because of what I said about Democrats.

00:55:08.040 That's just running from an answer.

00:55:09.520 That's just making a funny...

00:55:11.460 Anyway.

00:55:14.080 So.

00:55:14.360 So, I mean, but what's the point?

00:55:17.080 Like, you think abortion is bad, I assume?

00:55:19.580 So do I?

00:55:20.400 So what?

00:55:22.420 It sounds like you think it's evil.

00:55:24.500 Right?

00:55:26.540 I believe taking human life is evil.

00:55:29.180 I think it's wrong.

00:55:30.200 I don't think it's evil, because I don't think the people doing it see it that way.

00:55:35.720 What do you think about abortion?

00:55:38.520 I got you.

00:55:39.080 whether somebody sees something to be good or bad to me does not define it to

00:55:44.080 be good or bad right to me I believe that there is a creator and that creator

00:55:50.200 has sent us guidance I believe in the prophets being true prophets I believe

00:55:55.460 that that guidance divinely not up to my subjective ideas tells us that a child

00:56:03.080 and like you said unless the mother's life is in danger because the Quran

00:56:07.400 tells us to save a life and so on, then it would be incorrect to abort a baby because

00:56:13.540 that is what our Creator has told us. I believe stealing is wrong. And I don't believe stealing

00:56:19.280 is wrong because it's my opinion. I believe stealing is wrong because the Divine Creator

00:56:23.720 has told us it's wrong. Now, I want to ask you a question because I see you're well read.

00:56:29.900 You know, do you believe the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, wrote the Quran?

00:56:37.400 I think the Quran probably has

00:56:42.420 multiple authors

00:56:43.400 okay that's interesting

00:56:45.660 so if there were multiple

00:56:48.400 authors would they not

00:56:50.380 take credit for their work

00:56:51.680 why

00:56:56.860 if you wrote

00:56:59.460 if you do that

00:57:00.220 then it undermines the work

00:57:01.760 okay so let's say you came up

00:57:04.380 the bible it's not like oh what's the author's

00:57:06.580 named uh mark you know well it's not the same with the bible because the bible is not the words of

00:57:12.860 god and even christian bible is much older so they can't document it the way you can islam

00:57:17.740 well again being older isn't really the issue the fact that you have anonymous authors and so on and

00:57:22.880 you have no connectivity and the earliest greek manuscripts are from fourth century that's the

00:57:26.880 issue but that's not the point here if you were to write an amazing work that you were going to

00:57:31.740 challenge all of society they couldn't come up with anything like it would you not take credit

00:57:36.240 for that? Or would you at least

00:57:38.340 not say, this was revealed to

00:57:40.320 me?

00:57:41.920 I would credit a rainbow frog or

00:57:44.240 a spinning squirrel.

00:57:46.300 Really? The sneaker knows what I'm

00:57:48.180 talking about.

00:57:50.480 I've made amazing work anonymously

00:57:52.540 because of the pushback that you're

00:57:54.300 going to get for it.

00:57:57.200 So,

00:57:57.880 if you would make it anonymous,

00:58:00.100 why would somebody ascribe it to the Prophet

00:58:02.200 Muhammad getting revelation?

00:58:06.240 No, I just think people added on to what a great man made with something.

00:58:10.600 And people are going to add.

00:58:13.560 They have something that has an authoritative source, right?

00:58:16.560 And it also is political because it sets up the political system of the sultans and the divine rule.

00:58:22.500 And so there's a temptation there of any government.

00:58:25.600 Oh, yeah.

00:58:26.260 And he said this, too.

00:58:27.940 I'm sorry.

00:58:28.860 Where in the Quran does it mention sultans?

00:58:32.100 You don't have monarchy in the Quran?

00:58:34.600 You do not.

00:58:36.240 i'm shocked that you don't know this where in the quran does it talk about a representative

00:58:40.240 democracy where people vote i'm sorry where's monarchy in the quran here can you hand me a

00:58:46.160 quran give me that one right there this one right here perfect yeah

00:58:56.800 here's my quran please feel free to google it and let me know where there is monarchy in the quran

00:59:02.240 I'm waiting

00:59:06.300 You want me to Google monarchy in the Quran?

00:59:11.200 No, no, you said the Quran sets up monarchy in sultans

00:59:14.860 I'm asking you to give me evidence for what you said

00:59:17.900 Your statement should have some evidence

00:59:20.380 You can't just make wild claims, right?

00:59:23.340 So you said the Quran sets up sultans

00:59:25.360 So there's no divine right of kings in the Quran?

00:59:27.960 There are no kings in the Quran, no

00:59:29.980 Oh, this is the better thing you should have asked to begin with.

00:59:33.140 We don't have monarchy in the Quran.

00:59:35.040 We don't have divine right of kings in the Quran.

00:59:37.840 Kingship is not an Islamic method of governance.

00:59:40.100 There's no system of government in the Quran?

00:59:42.680 There are, but it's not a kingdom, and it's not a monarchy, and it's not a sultanate.

00:59:48.620 In fact, the Islamic method of governance is the most qualified, should be given bay'ah, and put in leadership.

00:59:55.760 It has nothing to do with your father being king.

00:59:58.600 If you didn't know that and you claimed this in the Qur'an, I feel quite disappointed in you making statements about the Qur'an without evidence.

01:00:07.700 I'm just looking at historically they always had monarchs.

01:00:10.360 Once again, that is not true.

01:00:14.180 Historically you're also incorrect.

01:00:16.200 For example, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman, Ali, they were not monarchs.

01:00:20.520 Their children did not become kings after them.

01:00:23.500 You're wrong. Historically you're wrong.

01:00:25.140 There have been Muslim kings

01:00:28.340 There have been Christian kings

01:00:29.860 There have been Jewish kings

01:00:30.800 There have been atheist kings

01:00:31.820 I'm not talking about that

01:00:32.940 But you said in the Quran

01:00:34.240 And now you've been caught

01:00:35.720 Christianity has the divine right of kings

01:00:38.460 Are we talking about Christianity, Sinko?

01:00:41.140 No, we're not

01:00:41.640 Did he say the Quran?

01:00:43.580 You brought up the example of Jews and Christian and atheist kings

01:00:46.900 You said in the Quran

01:00:48.820 There's a political sultanate system of monarchy

01:00:51.300 I'm just asking you to provide me a verse

01:00:53.980 or any evidence, and I'm allowing you to Google it if you like.

01:00:58.780 Helpline, call a friend. It's okay.

01:01:00.880 I'm right here. Show it to me.

01:01:06.240 I'm not going to argue with you about the Koran.

01:01:09.160 I'm going to argue about history.

01:01:09.820 Thank you. So your statement earlier was incorrect.

01:01:13.060 So there's no political system in the Koran other than what you said,

01:01:17.320 people of merit are supposed to govern?

01:01:20.700 Go ahead.

01:01:21.020 first thing even the khilafah and how it's set up it's not in the Quran right

01:01:26.140 yes the Quran talks about the prophets it talks about the the great work that

01:01:34.260 they did some of them there were leaders amongst their people some of them were

01:01:39.260 not like Moses like Yaqub and others there's no kingdom there's no salt in

01:01:46.780 there is no monarchy in the quran sorry that statement is factually incorrect right now if

01:01:55.620 you're going to ask what is the islamic method of governance then looking at history in the time of

01:02:01.720 the prophet when the prophet was passing away he didn't say my daughter is going to become queen

01:02:07.720 after me fatima was a lie the other daughters she could have but he didn't that's not islamic

01:02:13.180 abu bakar was the most qualified monarchy doesn't have to be hereditary rule

01:02:18.580 once again a monarchy does have a secession based on either a tribe or a family right

01:02:25.620 right sometimes it does that's how islam works they looked at the companions they found the

01:02:33.580 most qualified and that was abu bakar who was not the child or brother of the prophet sallallahu

01:02:39.840 and they chose him who is they the muslim umma the sahaba the companions when they came together

01:02:47.360 after death of the prophet and they consulted i have a series if you want i mean just you know

01:02:53.040 it's on the one message foundation also about the life of the prophet and when he died peace

01:02:58.240 and blessings be upon him and who became the leader after him and how he was chosen and i

01:03:02.460 give references from the books of hadith from the books of history you can go learn so the next time

01:03:07.380 make a statement the companions decide who's going to be the new queen or king or whatever

01:03:12.980 yes they will look at the who's the most qualified they will come together and they will elect them

01:03:18.660 okay so they decided to have a monarchy no it's just not a monarchy because the next person to be

01:03:26.340 chosen was again not related the next to be chosen doesn't matter whether it's chosen by a council

01:03:35.380 or whether it's hereditary rule you have a monarchy you have a ruler an authoritarian

01:03:40.100 ruler that gets to make the laws and is the system of the government again that is once again wrong

01:03:46.020 but let's see what is a monarchy there's no once again so the monarch and royal family

01:03:54.820 like you don't have representative government nobody's voting none of that's happening

01:03:59.460 Again, once again, you do have votes by the leaders of the different communities who come together, like the Electoral College, who have been chosen by their people to represent them, the Ansar, the Muhajirun, for example, who came together, and they put forth names who's the most qualified, and they were chosen.

01:04:21.300 Very similar to Native American chiefs.

01:04:24.460 you have a council

01:04:27.820 and they decide based on merit

01:04:29.340 who is going to be the governor of whatever

01:04:31.480 sure, is that a monarchy?

01:04:35.460 yes

01:04:36.020 so

01:04:39.060 if we have people from different parts

01:04:41.740 of the country

01:04:42.380 send their representatives together

01:04:45.640 to choose who's going to be

01:04:47.800 the next leader, that's a monarchy?

01:04:51.100 do you have a division

01:04:51.920 of powers?

01:04:53.380 of course you do

01:04:54.200 You have the shura.

01:04:55.200 You do?

01:04:55.960 Yes, you do.

01:04:57.220 You didn't know that?

01:04:57.860 You have judges, right?

01:04:59.500 We do.

01:05:00.340 Not just judges.

01:05:01.760 Even if the khalifa makes a ruling against the Quran,

01:05:05.320 against the sunnah, against the laws that are there,

01:05:07.880 there are people, like we see in the time of Umar,

01:05:10.560 in the time of...

01:05:11.560 Evidences of why it's wrong.

01:05:17.260 They cut out again.

01:05:18.420 No, I'm back.

01:05:19.640 So, you do have your checks and balances, of course.

01:05:22.600 you have khulafah that were taken out of power

01:05:25.380 there are khulafah that were reprimanded

01:05:27.520 there were leaders

01:05:28.480 again

01:05:30.200 I think you haven't studied history properly

01:05:33.500 for Islamic history anyway

01:05:34.500 so I would suggest

01:05:35.620 I've got a series you can watch through it

01:05:37.820 it gives all the references

01:05:38.760 you can check them yourself

01:05:40.240 and then you'll know how it works

01:05:41.660 but that doesn't come back to why the Quran

01:05:43.880 you said the Quran

01:05:45.120 political and sultanate monarchy

01:05:47.360 that's all been proven wrong

01:05:48.680 so

01:05:50.160 So, my question to you, again, is why would some proof of authors...

01:05:56.420 No, it's not proven wrong.

01:05:57.800 You just went on a long tangent about how they were elected by the council

01:06:01.080 instead of it being hereditary rule.

01:06:02.760 You still ended up with it.

01:06:04.460 Did our friend here actually say that the Quran has political bias

01:06:08.640 and assaults in it and a monarchy system?

01:06:11.500 Yes, because it does.

01:06:12.700 And you went on and said, well, it wasn't because his son wasn't the new prince.

01:06:17.400 It was coming from the council.

01:06:18.080 That's not in the Quran.

01:06:18.680 Where in the Quran is it?

01:06:21.920 You said it's in the Quran

01:06:23.220 I have the Quran

01:06:24.340 Where in the Quran is the Sultanate?

01:06:27.080 What political system does the Quran support?

01:06:30.540 And you said

01:06:30.960 Well they have this system of governors

01:06:32.740 From this council

01:06:34.020 I think you didn't hear me

01:06:35.260 I told you the Quran does not say that

01:06:37.860 Right?

01:06:39.960 That's not in the Quran

01:06:41.200 You asked me the Islamic system

01:06:43.680 Through history

01:06:45.000 Right?

01:06:46.740 The history

01:06:47.680 that you were talking about

01:06:49.180 is different from the Qur'an.

01:06:50.780 If you say that's what the Qur'an,

01:06:52.140 because we're talking about

01:06:52.720 the authorship of the Qur'an,

01:06:54.160 then I'm asking you,

01:06:55.320 where in the Qur'an is the monarchy?

01:06:58.100 Where in the verse, chapter and verse?

01:07:00.520 Monarchies predate when Islam was invented,

01:07:03.180 so you don't have to say,

01:07:04.660 oh, let's make it monarchy.

01:07:05.860 You just have to keep what's already there.

01:07:07.580 And they just came up with a system

01:07:08.840 of how we're going to decide

01:07:09.900 who's going to be the new leader.

01:07:11.640 Let's hear a non-biased opinion.

01:07:14.540 Did he say that in the Qur'an,

01:07:16.340 I'm pretty sure you said that they talked about monarchies

01:07:20.460 directly in the Quran

01:07:21.520 It supports the system that results in having

01:07:26.260 sultans, kings, emperors, whatever

01:07:28.260 because you did not change from the system of government that existed

01:07:32.320 before the Quran was written

01:07:33.820 Once again, that's incorrect because the Arabs had no king

01:07:38.000 Arab tribes were all

01:07:40.420 autonomous, they didn't have an army, they didn't have a king

01:07:44.040 So, my question to you

01:07:46.840 Because the Arab tribes were not one country

01:07:49.320 They had chieftains of different tribes

01:07:51.220 In different local areas

01:07:52.400 Exactly

01:07:53.080 So they didn't just keep a prior system

01:07:55.400 They didn't have a monarch

01:07:57.600 The Quraysh didn't have a leader even

01:07:59.260 Did you know that?

01:08:01.920 Again, well you're saying

01:08:03.520 The Arabs

01:08:04.180 So what? Arabs had leaders

01:08:06.900 They just didn't all have the same leader

01:08:08.600 That doesn't matter

01:08:09.680 Once again, they had no central authority

01:08:12.600 They don't have the same leader now.

01:08:14.900 They didn't have a central authority.

01:08:16.920 Like the kingdom of Saudi Arabia has a king, right?

01:08:20.240 Yeah, but Saudi Arabia isn't the Arabs, is it?

01:08:22.380 It's just some Arabs.

01:08:22.960 So the Quraysh, the Quraysh,

01:08:24.760 at the time of the Prophet,

01:08:26.380 you're saying he kept the system.

01:08:27.700 Who was their king before the Prophet?

01:08:31.320 Every one of those tribes had a leader.

01:08:33.800 They did not.

01:08:35.160 Once again, you're wrong.

01:08:36.520 Please go and research.

01:08:37.720 The Quraysh had no single leader.

01:08:43.180 Mecca had no single leader.

01:08:46.200 Go look it up.

01:08:47.460 You're wrong.

01:08:48.780 Historically, you're wrong.

01:08:52.280 I'm not historically wrong.

01:08:53.580 Monarchies predated Islam.

01:08:55.000 Okay, you said I'm not wrong.

01:08:56.560 Okay, who was the Quraysh's king?

01:08:58.400 Who was their leader?

01:08:59.380 I don't know all the different kings and stuff.

01:09:01.020 I'm talking about monarchy as a system predates Islam,

01:09:04.080 which is something they did not decide to change.

01:09:05.960 Name me an Arab monarch before the time of the Prophet Muhammad.

01:09:12.480 No, maybe just one.

01:09:15.500 First of all, Islam isn't just for Arabs.

01:09:18.480 You were talking about the society that the Prophet Muhammad came in, right?

01:09:22.800 That they kept their norms.

01:09:23.920 Islam, to me, historically, is just building off of Christianity.

01:09:28.880 It's got the same creation story.

01:09:30.940 It's got many...

01:09:31.880 Yes, it does.

01:09:32.680 What's the Islamic creation story?

01:09:35.140 I'll let you finish.

01:09:37.220 Is it not the same as Christianity?

01:09:39.560 You have Adam and Eve, right?

01:09:41.680 You have God in the garden, same story, and they got that from Jews.

01:09:46.980 And Jews borrowed that from previous mythologies, some Zoroastrian and some Greek.

01:09:52.700 It's not real, but it's something in there as if it was like an historical truth.

01:09:58.320 So they're borrowing off a system that does have the divine right of kings.

01:10:01.980 They had, you know, well, they had their period of judges.

01:10:04.760 Yes, Jews had their period of judges and stuff.

01:10:06.820 Those are still kings.

01:10:08.200 And they had a monarchy.

01:10:09.560 And they had divine rule.

01:10:10.600 Islam inherits this, they do not change this

01:10:13.600 and it doesn't matter if all the Arabs didn't have one leader

01:10:16.240 and it doesn't matter if they didn't select them hereditarily or not

01:10:19.480 they kept the same system

01:10:20.880 Jews had a whole bunch of different systems

01:10:30.140 but they always had some kind of monarchy

01:10:32.060 they did not have a king of all Jews

01:10:38.020 Jews copied a story, an Exodus story of Hyksos in Egypt that they adopted as their own.

01:10:45.320 But Jews are from Western Jordan.

01:10:47.340 They came about 500 years after the people, their claims of being exiled out of Egypt and going right through the Red Sea is not historical.

01:10:55.620 King David, although it is a monarchy and a king, is not a real person.

01:10:59.320 King David is a character like King Arthur, that they can believe he was a king, but there's no archaeology or anything to back up a King David or a King Solomon.

01:11:11.440 But even in their mythology, they still have kings.

01:11:14.140 They even have a kingdom of heaven.

01:11:16.280 It's always a kingdom.

01:11:17.520 It's always the only system they knew.

01:11:20.580 Christians come and they adopt the same thing.

01:11:22.920 They're not going to get rid of kings.

01:11:24.380 And there is, and of course the Romans are going to look at the advantages of monotheism, concentrating the wealth under one roof, whereas polytheism, you have to compete between different city-states and different gods and goddesses.

01:11:39.080 You can consolidate the wealth, build a massive army, and it becomes a campaign of kill, convert, and collect.

01:11:46.580 it was beneficial

01:11:49.280 to the government systems

01:11:51.840 to have monotheism because it

01:11:53.680 propped up the justification for its

01:11:55.620 existence. Why do I get to be

01:11:57.720 the king? Because God said so.

01:12:01.600 Before that, the pharaohs said they were

01:12:03.780 God themselves. Like, oh, I'm not

01:12:05.760 even representing God. I am God.

01:12:08.740 And enough people

01:12:09.800 believed that and went along with it, and they

01:12:11.640 got the rule. Now, for a

01:12:13.800 long time, it definitely was hereditary rule.

01:12:15.920 And over in Europe, it was hereditary rule, and if they didn't heir a son, they would find some cousin or marry some other royal family or find some loophole around it.

01:12:24.660 The council system is better.

01:12:26.420 It's still a monarchy.

01:12:30.040 Just waiting for you.

01:12:32.040 Well, you asked me if there was any other authors other than Muhammad, and I think, yeah, governments probably added their own.

01:12:40.120 Because the only need is one window of power where they can insert things.

01:12:44.260 And you're like, wouldn't you take credit for it and be anonymous?

01:12:46.760 No, because the purpose of it isn't to get credit for writing something.

01:12:49.880 It's to control the public.

01:12:52.120 So you're saying because the Quran was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad,

01:12:56.640 who was around the Quraysh, peace and blessings be upon him,

01:12:58.840 or around the Arab, that there was a...

01:13:00.380 I mean, I don't understand you think it was revealed to him.

01:13:03.160 I think he just wrote it.

01:13:04.380 Can I speak?

01:13:05.740 I listened to you that whole time. Can I speak?

01:13:07.920 I listened to you for a long time before that.

01:13:09.840 Oh, all right. I'll let you finish.

01:13:11.240 I understand you think it was a divine revelation.

01:13:14.260 And I disagree. I think a smart person just wrote some books.

01:13:18.300 Okay, so who's that smart person?

01:13:20.060 Why would that smart person not take credit?

01:13:22.760 Why would he let another illiterate man take all that credit

01:13:25.800 and be raised as the prophet of God and have authority?

01:13:28.780 Why would that smart person not be like,

01:13:30.300 hey, I'm going to pull these powers?

01:13:32.340 And who's that smart person? Let me know then.

01:13:34.800 Muhammad couldn't, peace be upon him, couldn't read or write.

01:13:38.580 Okay, so who's that smart person that you believe wrote it?

01:13:41.960 Which is funny, because earlier you said there was a group,

01:13:43.680 and now you're saying a smart person so that's kind of a contradiction right there but

01:13:46.940 first thing is you said the quran talks i don't think a group came together and created the quran

01:13:52.720 it starts with one author and then other people add to it i've said that the whole time

01:13:57.620 i don't think it was revealed from god a lot of it they just built off the bible they have the

01:14:03.880 same creation story they took a lot of the same stories jesus is one of the prophets elijah the

01:14:08.900 prophet moses is a prophet right they built off of religions that existed already that other people

01:14:15.140 wrote and they are written by people they're not divinely inspired the bible is just they ought to

01:14:20.680 spell it b-u-y-b-u-l-l some people wrote those books and you know people wrote those books because

01:14:28.400 those books have mistakes that you know the creator of everything wouldn't get wrong

01:14:33.880 Well, Islam is the updated version

01:14:37.420 Because they got to look at the mistakes of Judaism

01:14:39.560 And Christianity and fix it

01:14:40.960 You said they have mistakes

01:14:42.020 I just want to hear one mistake in the Quran

01:14:44.040 The creation story

01:14:48.400 That's a mistake?

01:14:51.180 It's definitely not real

01:14:52.700 Wait, I'm sorry

01:14:54.040 How is that a mistake?

01:14:58.480 You yourself said

01:14:59.860 What do you think happened?

01:15:01.220 How people got here?

01:15:02.580 Tell me the Islamic version

01:15:03.740 you said it's a mistake so my question to you is how is that a mistake were you there when creation

01:15:09.800 started no so then you cannot say it's a mistake would your opinion you can't say you weren't there

01:15:16.660 when it was created either did i say it was a mistake i did not you claimed it was a mistake

01:15:21.580 it's right you weren't there like by your own standard by your own ridiculous standard if you

01:15:26.620 weren't there so you don't know you weren't there so you don't know either once again that's why we

01:15:32.620 can determine these things like that the earth is not made in six days and you are already admitted

01:15:37.980 like well i don't think it was actually a 24-hour day it's just a time period it's okay that's not

01:15:42.060 admittance i clarified that to you that's the islamic belief so do you think two people

01:15:47.020 there's a mistake you said there's a mistake in the quran i did not claim there was a mistake

01:15:53.580 right you don't believe in evolution oh man you have the okay is the moon inside the sky

01:15:59.260 It's not

01:16:01.180 There's no firmament

01:16:02.560 The earth's not flat

01:16:04.100 We don't have talking donkeys

01:16:06.040 We don't have magical creatures of gene and witches and angels

01:16:10.160 I'm sorry, the moon being inside the sky

01:16:12.500 What are you talking about?

01:16:15.400 What is the cosmology in Islam?

01:16:19.080 About the stars and the heavens

01:16:20.480 The moon being inside the sky

01:16:21.440 It just copies Genesis

01:16:24.980 And that's what it says

01:16:25.900 I'm sorry, where in the Quran does it say that?

01:16:29.260 Is it not based on the Bible?

01:16:34.560 It is not.

01:16:35.540 Where in the Quran does it say the moon's in the sky?

01:16:37.700 Well, you independently came up with a story with Adam and Eve

01:16:41.040 that's identical to the Jewish story?

01:16:43.860 Is there not the same Adam and Eve story

01:16:46.640 that they borrowed from a different religion?

01:16:49.220 No.

01:16:50.380 First off.

01:16:51.380 There's no Adam and Eve.

01:16:52.500 There's no Adam and Eve in the Quran.

01:16:55.160 It was not borrowed from anybody.

01:16:56.260 Now, you made a statement

01:16:58.040 That the Quran says

01:16:59.580 Yeah, I'm getting to that

01:17:01.140 Is there a Genesis story

01:17:03.380 In the Quran

01:17:05.040 Called not Genesis, obviously

01:17:07.660 But is it not the same story

01:17:10.340 You know, I'm trying to be very respectful

01:17:14.520 In letting you finish

01:17:15.320 And then you keep interrupting me

01:17:16.640 Is it the same story

01:17:18.000 Your statement first

01:17:20.320 Your statement first

01:17:22.260 That the Quran has a mistake

01:17:24.660 Has not been proven

01:17:25.920 the fact the Quran talks about the creation of Adam

01:17:29.300 this is a fact that it's in the Quran

01:17:31.400 it's not a mistake

01:17:32.460 whether you believe it or not

01:17:34.720 how you believe creation started is up to you

01:17:37.120 but you cannot call that a mistake

01:17:38.740 secondly

01:17:40.640 secondly

01:17:41.700 your statement about the moon being in the sky

01:17:44.280 when you're talking about the Quran

01:17:45.900 I'm not talking about Genesis, Bible, Christian

01:17:47.700 can you show me where that is

01:17:49.480 you keep making claims about the Quran

01:17:51.320 that are not in the Quran

01:17:52.420 and that's quite ignorant

01:17:54.540 if I say something in the Bible

01:17:57.100 then I'm going to give you a reference where in the Bible

01:17:59.360 if I say something is in the Talmud

01:18:01.680 or the Tanakh

01:18:02.840 or Gita or any scriptures

01:18:05.480 but when you make these claims about the Quran

01:18:07.640 and you can't give me a reference from the Quran

01:18:09.420 I can reference the Bible

01:18:10.260 but you didn't say it's in the Bible

01:18:13.640 you said it's in the Quran

01:18:15.040 we're not talking about the authorship

01:18:18.900 based on Judaism and Christianity

01:18:20.640 we know those are written by people

01:18:22.080 because there's mistakes in those books

01:18:23.880 Based on a book that's full of mistakes

01:18:27.440 You can rewind it again

01:18:29.040 They had the benefit of being newer

01:18:31.220 Than those two religions

01:18:32.200 And they get to fix a lot of things that were wrong

01:18:34.600 But not everything

01:18:36.460 But I don't know chapter and verse in the Quran

01:18:39.520 The way I do the Bible

01:18:40.520 So what?

01:18:41.820 I know it's based on it

01:18:43.340 And has the same creation story

01:18:44.720 Just because Allah revealed in my belief

01:18:49.560 Again I'm going to tell you what I believe

01:18:50.880 To the different prophets

01:18:52.560 including Moses and Abraham and Jesus and Muhammad peace be upon them a message that tells about the

01:18:59.740 fact according to what we believe of what had happened and the Quran tells you those facts

01:19:04.820 the fact that the corruptions in the Bible that show strange things like Lot having sex with his

01:19:09.900 daughters and all that is not in the Quran shows you the Quran preserves the truth and just because

01:19:15.800 the same Allah that revealed to Moses hold on let me finish the same Allah that revealed to Moses

01:19:21.620 the same Allah that revealed to Jesus

01:19:23.240 is the same Allah that revealed to Muhammad

01:19:25.080 peace and blessings be upon all of them

01:19:27.060 just because of that doesn't mean the Quran copied the Bible

01:19:30.500 the fact that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him

01:19:32.580 couldn't have even read the Bible

01:19:34.660 he didn't know Greek, he didn't know Aramaic

01:19:36.960 he didn't know Hebrew, he couldn't even read or write Arabic

01:19:39.120 and the fact that you don't know

01:19:41.600 this person in the back

01:19:43.560 this intelligent person who wrote or this group

01:19:45.700 you're just making that up

01:19:47.060 most people couldn't read or write at that point in time

01:19:50.400 Which is also not true

01:19:52.240 You still have the stories

01:19:53.040 You don't have the story of Lot sleeping with his daughters

01:19:56.240 But you have a story of a yellow calf

01:19:58.280 Whose body parts bring back the dead to life

01:20:00.820 I mean there's equally ridiculous stuff

01:20:03.040 In one book as the other

01:20:04.040 The gold calf story

01:20:07.840 Bringing people back to life

01:20:09.020 Is not in the Bible

01:20:09.760 The golden calf that was worshipped by the people of Israel

01:20:13.660 And the yellow calf

01:20:14.640 Are not the same

01:20:15.700 There's no story in the Quran

01:20:19.320 where they touched the dead body

01:20:20.780 with a piece of the golden calf

01:20:22.180 and resurrected them?

01:20:23.560 It was not a golden calf.

01:20:25.860 It was a yellow calf?

01:20:26.820 That's really wrong.

01:20:28.040 The golden calf

01:20:29.540 was the people of Moses

01:20:31.000 that worshipped Samari and them.

01:20:33.700 The yellow calf,

01:20:35.200 the cow, which is separate

01:20:36.360 when somebody had died

01:20:37.740 and they wanted to know

01:20:38.760 who had murdered them.

01:20:39.820 That story is separate.

01:20:41.680 Now the question gets to be...

01:20:43.000 The yellow calf equally as dumb.

01:20:44.680 The question gets to be,

01:20:46.280 look, if you don't believe in something,

01:20:48.300 that's up to you.

01:20:48.920 right but you can't call that a mistake you have i can i can absolutely say it's a mistake to claim

01:20:55.240 that there was a yellow cow who had magic body parts and brought people back to life so they

01:20:59.340 could figure out and kill them why would you say that's a mistake just because you have it is

01:21:04.140 impossible to have magic body parts from a yellow cow once again they're not magic body parts right

01:21:09.940 that was sacrifice they just bring back the dead i mean what do you call that

01:21:13.680 Bring them back to life.

01:21:14.580 A miracle.

01:21:15.020 It revealed who the murderer was.

01:21:16.780 Once again.

01:21:17.620 See, this is as ignorant as somebody.

01:21:19.500 That's not what the story says.

01:21:20.220 Can I finish?

01:21:22.660 Somebody in the past, for example, who couldn't understand forensic science.

01:21:27.000 For example, saying, oh, a time when your fingertip can tell you, that is a mistake.

01:21:32.280 Just because they didn't know about it and they haven't seen it isn't a mistake.

01:21:36.180 That's not a mistake.

01:21:37.480 You have not shown me a single mistake in the Quran.

01:21:42.120 How do you know?

01:21:43.680 You don't know.

01:21:44.820 That's not a mistake.

01:21:47.260 Now, let me show you a mistake.

01:21:50.220 Can you hand me that Bible?

01:21:53.740 Yours one.

01:21:56.180 My regular Bible is in the car still.

01:21:58.880 After you show the mistake, I want to end this debate with a question that I want to ask the both of you.

01:22:05.840 I mean, he doesn't believe in the Bible, so this is not going to be very...

01:22:11.340 No, no, I'm just trying to explain to him.

01:22:12.500 I don't believe in magic cows either.

01:22:14.980 Great.

01:22:26.340 A contradiction with each other.

01:22:29.000 Don't hang with the Mariam's one there.

01:22:31.220 So here, in 2 Kings 8, 25, 26, I'm sorry, Ahaziah was 22 years old when he became king, and

01:22:49.540 he reigned one year in Jerusalem.

01:22:51.220 His mother's name was Ataliah, the granddaughter of Umri.

01:22:54.100 Did you hear that?

01:22:57.300 I heard you.

01:22:58.840 Okay, good.

01:22:59.340 in the same Bible

01:23:01.420 if you go to 2nd Chronicles

01:23:03.360 22-2, Ahaziah was

01:23:05.440 42 years old when he became king

01:23:07.680 and he reigned one year in Jerusalem

01:23:09.160 his mother's name was Athaliah, the granddaughter of Umri

01:23:11.640 same one year

01:23:13.400 same place, two different ages

01:23:15.700 that's a mistake

01:23:16.600 that's a clear error

01:23:18.800 now, if somebody, as we had

01:23:21.580 the discussion today, tries to claim

01:23:23.000 this was at two different times

01:23:24.480 it mentions the reign, exactly

01:23:27.040 One year, that's it

01:23:28.460 He didn't rule one year

01:23:29.440 So this is a mistake

01:23:31.060 In fact, if you look at the reference here

01:23:34.440 It will tell you there are manuscript errors

01:23:36.480 That produced this mistake

01:23:38.440 That's a mistake

01:23:39.840 If you don't believe that there was an Adam and Eve

01:23:42.660 That's not a mistake

01:23:43.800 That's your belief

01:23:44.960 Appreciate your time

01:23:47.840 I'm going to give you time to go and research your

01:23:50.740 I'm going to give you time to go research the Quran

01:23:53.400 So you actually know what's in the Quran

01:23:55.240 I don't need to

01:23:56.200 He's got magic cowls and a bunch of ridiculous stuff.

01:23:58.840 You know, just like the Bible's got a man living in a whale's belly for three days.

01:24:02.260 Like this stuff didn't happen.

01:24:03.100 You continued to make claims about the Quran that you could not substantiate with a verse and chapter.

01:24:08.560 I don't know the Quran in and out.

01:24:09.900 I know the Bible in and out.

01:24:11.060 I can read the Quran.

01:24:12.260 I've read it a long time ago.

01:24:14.080 Saw a lot of ridiculous stuff.

01:24:15.940 Before you talk about the Quran having monarchies and your Quran having this and that.

01:24:20.200 It does.

01:24:20.820 Let me give you some time.

01:24:22.300 Quran has monarchies.

01:24:23.200 He just said it does.

01:24:23.820 It did.

01:24:24.400 We established that.

01:24:25.160 Okay, please.

01:24:25.660 monarchies existed before the quran before islam was invented so that is a system they inherited

01:24:31.180 that they chose to keep you didn't say there were monarchies but you said the quran has monarchies

01:24:37.100 please show me where in the quran are monarchies the system of monarchy because it does which is

01:24:42.460 where in the quran does it support monarchies where in the quran

01:24:47.740 you have no answer i don't know the quran now i just know what they practiced

01:24:51.100 I want to finish with this question

01:24:55.060 and I thought about it during the morality

01:24:57.260 discussion of good versus evil

01:24:58.740 I think we established that, Ryan, you think

01:25:01.240 it's up to the individual to decide good and evil

01:25:03.300 and Sheikh Uthman

01:25:04.920 as Muslims we believe that

01:25:06.940 it's up to what Allah has revealed in the Quran

01:25:09.460 I also said

01:25:11.280 it has to match with the truth

01:25:13.340 it has to match the truth

01:25:15.240 what's right and wrong is different than good and evil

01:25:17.660 but that goodness

01:25:19.420 should match the truth

01:25:21.080 truth for you to match.

01:25:22.660 I think people can always establish what's true

01:25:25.280 or false based on whatever they believe

01:25:27.280 and there can be

01:25:28.740 disagreements, there's obvious disagreements about what's

01:25:31.260 true and what's false between people

01:25:32.780 and Ryan

01:25:34.940 where the three of us agree is that

01:25:37.180 there are a lot of problems in society and this is

01:25:39.200 the reason that you moved to East Asia

01:25:41.200 because

01:25:42.540 of people's

01:25:44.120 what people believe in and

01:25:46.200 who governs over us and

01:25:48.360 and the rules that decide everything.

01:25:51.940 Do you think it's better for people to believe,

01:25:53.940 if everybody believes your point of view about what's good and evil and your morality,

01:25:57.300 or do you think it's better if everybody, if the general person believed in Islam

01:26:02.200 and believed in what Sheikh Uthman thinks, what we established in this debate?

01:26:05.340 Is it better if everyone believes in your view or Sheikh Uthman's view?

01:26:10.040 I think they would turn out almost identical,

01:26:12.400 because i don't think he and i disagree on anything about what is evil what is good we

01:26:19.780 disagree about why you say well not your morality view point of view but your decision to view the

01:26:26.360 world based on an individualistic way do you think it's like if every if the entire population

01:26:31.800 everyone decides what's good or evil based on their own beliefs is that going to develop a

01:26:36.840 better society or if people follow the quran see i think deciding to follow the quran is also still

01:26:43.600 based on your belief to think that that is true well you can never get out instead of prescribing

01:26:50.160 never escape that you can never escape the subjectivity if i decided this is good this is

01:26:54.960 bad because you decided islam is true or you decided christianity is true or you decided

01:26:59.560 whatever you're still making all those decisions but before you didn't you don't have a specific

01:27:06.760 guidebook or you don't have a specific set of rules for what you believe is good or bad

01:27:10.860 you you come up with it based on your own opinion i don't think you could possibly write out every

01:27:15.900 wrong and right thing in a book i mean you can have a whole bunch of different books that guide

01:27:22.540 you and and the koran can be one of them or the bible could be one of them uh or whatever you

01:27:28.280 know superman could be one of them whatever you draw inspiration of you can find in text and

01:27:33.980 things, or you could have no text at all. But I look around at the world, I could look at Japan

01:27:38.800 or Korea. It's a perfectly functional society without monotheism. It is not a necessary

01:27:43.800 ingredient to get people to behave. And it is not a deterrent either, because you can look at the

01:27:50.100 Middle East or Israel and stuff, where almost everybody believes in a god of one sort or another,

01:27:54.820 and it doesn't stop any of the violence or anything at all. I think culture is more powerful

01:28:00.580 than faith i think media also predates culture and what we really need to attack is the ownership

01:28:08.020 of mass media because if the media wants to pervert islam christianity whatever you're

01:28:14.120 following in one direction it can and it will and not everybody's gonna have a library like

01:28:20.020 the sheikh like a lot of people have a very minimalist understanding of whatever religion

01:28:24.300 they follow right they're not they don't know their text in and out or they're not studying

01:28:29.440 They just have, oh, I believe in heaven and hell and this creation story.

01:28:34.160 So it doesn't matter.

01:28:35.960 It's not going to affect the outcome of the society, right?

01:28:40.560 Like where I live has lower crime, longer life expectancy.

01:28:44.540 Like any measuring stick, it is superior to any country in the Middle East.

01:28:48.140 But the reason you move Far East is because there's a lack of –

01:28:53.260 And it's 80% atheist, right?

01:28:55.220 Well, I think it's better to not have your moral philosophy tied to dogma, because for the example of circumcision, for example, you can get good people to do a bad thing because they're dumb.

01:29:06.140 I don't like statements that are not factual.

01:29:07.840 You said where you live has lower crime than any country in the Middle East.

01:29:11.320 That's a lie.

01:29:12.900 You can look it up.

01:29:14.240 Lowest crime rate in the world is what?

01:29:15.680 It's Qatar.

01:29:17.020 Those are stats.

01:29:18.360 Qatar is basically a city.

01:29:19.700 Your statement is incorrect.

01:29:21.260 Qatar is not a city.

01:29:22.500 Again, I'm sorry you don't know that.

01:29:24.240 Qatar is a country.

01:29:24.700 What's the population of Qatar?

01:29:26.820 Once again, if you're looking at statistics, this is a percentage, not numbers.

01:29:32.020 So you are wrong.

01:29:33.500 The country you live does not have the lowest crime rate

01:29:36.080 and does not have the lowest crime rate in any country in the Middle East.

01:29:39.240 In fact, in the world, the lowest crime rate by statistics, not by numbers,

01:29:45.200 is a Muslim country in the Middle East.

01:29:46.760 I think it was Iceland.

01:29:47.700 Well, I just, what did I Google?

01:29:50.340 Boy, I found a thing on Google.

01:29:52.040 Whoop-de-doo-dah.

01:29:52.700 It's not about Google, it's about statistics and numbers and facts

01:29:56.220 You said that we need to go back to the truth

01:29:58.520 Well here are facts, numbers and the truth

01:30:01.420 That shows your statement was incorrect

01:30:03.660 Allahu Akbar

01:30:06.020 Qatar does not have a 125 million people population

01:30:11.080 Once again, the number population does not affect statistics

01:30:14.540 We're talking about percentage, not numbers

01:30:16.780 Then countries with smaller population than Qatar

01:30:19.780 These are statistics or are they numbers?

01:30:21.640 Can you read what I googled

01:30:25.260 He googled lowest crime in the world

01:30:27.100 Thank you

01:30:28.800 And it's not about me googling

01:30:30.180 It's about stats and you making a statement

01:30:32.500 That is factually incorrect

01:30:34.000 I'm going to use google to find whatever I want to

01:30:38.980 Did I google something

01:30:41.600 That would

01:30:42.320 Ryan you did make that statement too

01:30:45.820 That has a lowest crime

01:30:47.480 I didn't google something from my perspective

01:30:49.960 Right now when you made that statement

01:30:51.740 I put in lowest crime rate in the world.

01:30:53.700 You can put it in New York or Google.

01:30:55.360 And this is what came up.

01:30:56.840 With statistics.

01:30:57.940 It's not just somebody's random.

01:30:59.700 Your statement was factually incorrect.

01:31:04.040 Can I speak about mine?

01:31:05.560 Wyoming News.

01:31:06.540 So now.

01:31:07.120 10 safest countries in the world.

01:31:09.540 Right underneath that.

01:31:10.840 Iceland, New Zealand, Ireland, Denmark, Austria, Portugal, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Singapore, and Japan.

01:31:16.600 That's statistics too.

01:31:17.860 Once again, the top, the lowest rate was a country.

01:31:21.900 Okay, I'm not going to keep going in this.

01:31:23.300 We've already established you were factually incorrect.

01:31:25.560 This is a thing that you know about Google.

01:31:27.480 What about Qatar?

01:31:28.960 Okay, look, they're surrounded by other Islamic countries

01:31:31.320 that don't have the same rate as that.

01:31:32.720 I did not Google what about Qatar.

01:31:34.580 Right, the top 10 safest countries to live in.

01:31:36.620 Again.

01:31:38.180 Now, you made a statement that was factually incorrect.

01:31:39.680 Put it in there, the top 10 safest countries to live in.

01:31:42.380 None of them are in the Middle East.

01:31:43.740 but the reason that you live far east is because it's separate from uh a certain group of people

01:31:51.060 that prescribe the rules that govern western civilization you didn't really answer that i

01:31:57.880 would imagine that in guitar they probably don't own the media over there but you didn't really

01:32:04.080 answer the initial question do you think it's better if the eight billion people that populate

01:32:08.000 the world follow your point of view that everybody can determine morality for themselves or do you

01:32:14.520 think it's better that they have a specific rule book and if they follow the Quran which

01:32:20.220 wishes do you think is better for all people your point of view or the Quran

01:32:26.300 my point of view is the only way that people do because if you decide to follow the Quran

01:32:33.000 you are still deciding that you think that is true

01:32:35.780 so do you think it's better as far as how the outcome would be i don't i disagree that

01:32:42.480 uh religion is why a society is violent or not or whatever i think it's not religion because you can

01:32:50.020 find countries like qatar you can find countries like japan right it's not whether it's religion

01:32:55.140 or not it's about whether or not owns your media okay are you done

01:33:02.860 are you done i think i answered his question yeah yeah thank you so when i do speak i would

01:33:10.100 appreciate if you didn't interrupt me just if you could just read as of july um the five

01:33:15.880 safest countries according to as of july this as of july according to numbio are qatar taiwan

01:33:22.060 the uae georgia and oman three of the i'm not sure my geography is correct are three of those

01:33:29.220 in the middle east yeah three of those of the top five and georgia now now click on the link

01:33:33.180 that i sent you and read that you can find these things i appreciate it they just do this link

01:33:37.840 you know top 10 safest countries in the world and they're all going to be

01:33:40.920 according to the global peace index the top safest countries in the world are iceland new

01:33:44.320 zealand ireland denmark austria portugal so media well the initial question uh the initial

01:33:49.140 statement you made was the lowest crime right it wasn't the same time but anyway we're done with

01:33:54.020 that you can find a different statistic on that too it just matters who gathered it okay now

01:33:59.000 once again you can look with common sense though like if you've ever been to guitar if you've ever

01:34:03.660 been to japan like there's very low crime right you can see right and so you know much safer

01:34:08.960 very clean very functional qatar is very clean very functional beautifully organized as is dubai

01:34:15.400 as is kuwait so is kyoto so is nara no problem your statement is my problem i didn't say japan

01:34:22.000 wasn't but now if you ask me the same question i would say that if we left morality up to

01:34:28.980 people's own opinions that would not bring a better society in fact even in japan

01:34:33.140 a country you mentioned there are pride parades going on which you said they are not but uh you

01:34:39.460 know with the communists uh so we don't have a pride rainbow pride parade uh may april may

01:34:48.660 are pride months right here there's pictures you know this is this is this is your right the head

01:34:55.140 the communist party supporting the pride parade got arrested for pedophilia because that is true

01:35:01.620 but you do have pride parades in japan right something oh yeah like yeah we have murder in

01:35:07.080 japan too that doesn't discount what i'm saying i let him speak can i speak now thank you no

01:35:12.980 you say something that isn't wrong i'm going to contradict you you said many things that were

01:35:18.420 wrong but i let you finish and then i produced the fact now every time i was in the middle of

01:35:23.260 the point you interrupted me okay i believe that a divine law that shows us what our creator our

01:35:31.640 designer tells us what's right from wrong is definitely the only way that we as humanity

01:35:36.460 are going to come together on what's right and wrong otherwise everybody will have their own

01:35:41.180 idea of good and evil somebody will say raping children is good somebody will say it's evil

01:35:45.640 and there are people throughout history that have had some people say cannibalism cannibalism is

01:35:50.460 good it's efficient somebody will say no that's wrong somebody say you can eat a dead person

01:35:55.120 somebody can say you cannot somebody said death penalty is good somebody will say it's not some

01:35:59.060 abortion is good abortion is not in the end that way you have no good and evil it's just everybody's

01:36:05.480 own perception and if you talk about society then i would say most societies today are going towards

01:36:11.560 lgbtq xyz and all these kinds of things except for muslims alhamdulillah and that is something that

01:36:17.320 is wrong and just because society decides it's right doesn't mean it's right but we believe in

01:36:23.240 the quran when the quran tells us it's wrong then that is wrong there are muslims who do things

01:36:27.640 that are wrong i do not deny that there are muslim countries that do wrong i do not deny that but i

01:36:32.140 defend the religion of islam the divine laws of right and wrong and that's the only you would

01:36:37.740 safeguard society from coming together on things that are evil in a divine way and considering

01:36:44.120 them good today a drag queen sitting with little kids talking about anal sex to little

01:36:50.340 kindergartners which is going on this is something that is wrong and even if society decides that

01:36:55.560 it's okay it's wrong because allah made it haram thank you appreciate what is tq

01:37:01.840 lgb is lesbian bi and gay what are the other ones trans and queer trans and queer which i don't

01:37:11.400 know what a queer is can you tell me they don't think we're the same as lgb i would agree with

01:37:16.960 you there can somebody in the chat tell us what a queer is i mean that was a slur when i was in

01:37:21.200 high school if somebody was gay you'd be like hey you're quick this this goes with my has to be tied

01:37:25.740 to truth stuff if b is bi isn't it binary yeah right so you can't have a bisexual what what do

01:37:35.600 mean there's two sexes well yeah there are but then you add in other letters contradicting the

01:37:41.500 b with the t and the they say the spectrum bisexual does confirm two genders actually it's funny

01:37:47.200 that's a good point it's self-contradicting even in their own acronym i would agree with that can

01:37:52.820 anybody in the chat tell us what a queer is though i mean anyway you had a honestly there's

01:37:57.340 a presupposition but if you already have i thought as you did that there was a divine thing

01:38:04.860 then I would follow that too

01:38:06.520 but I disagree that it's divine

01:38:08.200 well I'll tell you what

01:38:09.520 why don't you actually read the Quran

01:38:10.880 and watch the videos that I can send you

01:38:13.280 then we can have a discussion

01:38:15.180 on whether it's divine or not

01:38:16.320 how's that?

01:38:19.240 I mean the yellow calf story

01:38:21.180 pretty much did me in on the Quran

01:38:22.780 anybody who's watching

01:38:24.320 read the Quran for yourself

01:38:26.160 and then you can decide

01:38:27.540 whether it's divine or not

01:38:28.500 just because you cannot comprehend something

01:38:31.500 don't consider it to be a mistake

01:38:33.100 There's much in the Quran that you don't know about

01:38:35.700 And inshallah

01:38:37.520 When you read it, Allah will guide you

01:38:40.080 That makes it infallible

01:38:41.500 It's a way of saying

01:38:42.780 It doesn't matter how ridiculous it sounds

01:38:44.980 You just don't understand it enough

01:38:46.480 When it comes to the belief system, Ryan

01:38:48.800 Everything that you believe in

01:38:50.240 I got to figure out exactly how you think the world should be

01:38:53.120 And your point of view about relationships

01:38:55.200 And drinking and club culture

01:38:57.040 A lot of what you believe in

01:38:59.240 Follows what is practiced in the Quran

01:39:01.720 Pretty closely

01:39:02.560 By the way, thank you for getting Sneeko in a library

01:39:05.200 on a Saturday night and out of the club.

01:39:08.320 It's Sunday night, but yes.

01:39:09.660 I fully support that.

01:39:12.160 All right, there you go.

01:39:13.360 The way you look at disgust about people who are being degenerate

01:39:17.260 or people having sex out of wedlock,

01:39:19.260 or the way you view cheating or the red pill philosophy,

01:39:23.040 degeneracy, all of that is almost to a T,

01:39:26.460 like what is written in the Quran.

01:39:28.980 and the reason I resonated with you

01:39:32.500 is that you rejected a lot of what's being promoted

01:39:34.820 in the West and you found a safe haven in the East

01:39:37.180 but when it comes to the belief system

01:39:38.920 it's almost identical

01:39:39.980 your belief system is almost identical to the Quran

01:39:42.640 I see that in this debate

01:39:44.140 we understand why you have

01:39:45.900 trouble believing that there could be

01:39:48.760 a creator

01:39:49.700 but maybe in time

01:39:52.600 we can have another debate

01:39:54.640 we can have another conversation

01:39:55.780 we probably agree on most moral questions

01:39:58.840 we're going to end up with the same conclusion i just don't tie mine to supernatural explanations

01:40:03.880 of creation and stuff that's the biggest one i just see that separate and the difference there

01:40:07.720 being that your morality is very personalized so that way it's not a morality because somebody else

01:40:12.760 does not consider it to be moral then it's immoral mine is to a standard that would stay standard no

01:40:19.080 matter what society or people's opinions are but again no it's the same i don't care what society

01:40:24.280 says or not again i was trying i was being descriptive not poscriptive all right i'll

01:40:30.140 tell you what if it's immoral it's immoral how do you know that i don't other than that's what i

01:40:35.300 think based on my reasoning right i'll tell you and i would say that's the same thing you're doing

01:40:39.380 you think this book said it so it's right well you decided that book was correct once again

01:40:44.660 even when the quran and again you can go into the miracle of the quran the scientific facts when

01:40:50.940 you read it then we'll get to that now the quran when it says something is right even if my personal

01:40:56.960 opinion is different i'll take the divine law even if society is different i'll take the divine law

01:41:01.840 there is the difference good news is there something in the quran that you disagree with

01:41:06.620 but you do it anyway i i do not disagree with anything in the quran because when it's in the

01:41:11.760 quran then i believe in it it's law right now the good but if you did you'd still follow the quran

01:41:17.780 i would follow the quran because i don't believe morality is subjective i believe that this is

01:41:25.520 divine so even if people's ideas get corrupted and they start you know saying there's a spectrum

01:41:32.100 of genders when allah tells in the quran we believe it and that's the way to protect society

01:41:38.440 from such thing is to have a divine standard or just base it on truth like scientifically there

01:41:45.060 two genders once again when you talk about truth there right people will try to make their own

01:41:52.800 truths unfortunately and they will give their own ideas and in many things like abortion or death

01:42:00.000 penalty you cannot say this is a truth there is a judgment call right the good news i want to give

01:42:07.880 you is nico didn't just spend sunday night which is right now but he also spent saturday night in

01:42:12.640 a library and alhamdulillah he's been praying he's been keeping it all halal and he is benefiting

01:42:20.680 other people we had three people that accepted islam today alhamdulillah and he's setting a

01:42:26.480 great role model and inshallah we hope that through the guidance that he found in islam

01:42:31.400 allah will make him a better person away from the intoxicants and the filth and the fornication and

01:42:37.540 all that goes on in the Western societies,

01:42:39.640 and he will live a good, pure, halal life

01:42:42.200 and be a good example for all those people that watch him.

01:42:45.240 Alhamdulillah.

01:42:46.880 So I have two questions.

01:42:48.360 You understand, we don't disagree with science either.

01:42:52.160 Science is a good tool for figuring out matters of truth,

01:42:56.280 like what the physical reality is.

01:42:58.880 But science is often paraded around

01:43:02.700 to justify a bunch of ridiculous stuff

01:43:05.440 because it is influenced by economy and by politics.

01:43:13.480 Dr. Fauci called himself the science.

01:43:16.240 There's so many examples.

01:43:18.840 He isn't science, even though he says that.

01:43:21.580 But there are a lot of things that are justified by how it gets polluted.

01:43:25.740 I would argue that religion also gets polluted by economics and politics.

01:43:31.680 And so one person says this is divine.

01:43:35.440 You know, whether it could be ISIS or whatever, they could say, hey, I think I can do this.

01:43:41.200 And that's their interpretation of the Koran.

01:43:43.660 It's still subjective.

01:43:45.540 Even if you have a religion, you're going to have different sects and beliefs within it based on that person's subjectivity.

01:43:52.700 Also, which religion they choose to have or not is also subjective.

01:43:57.200 You never get objectivity.

01:44:00.620 Now, you could be really arrogant and go, well, no, I did.

01:44:03.520 My version of this religion is the one

01:44:06.540 And my interpretation of it

01:44:07.760 And everyone else is wrong

01:44:08.680 You can think that, I guess

01:44:10.400 But it's always a battle of ideas

01:44:13.900 We can't get around subjectivity

01:44:18.940 Have you finished your thought?

01:44:22.640 I want to add one more thing

01:44:23.920 Because you misrepresented me four times

01:44:26.000 You said

01:44:26.660 If it's up to the person

01:44:30.620 Then there is no good and evil

01:44:31.900 and I said no there's an evil

01:44:34.540 and there's a good and you should try to

01:44:36.680 figure out what's good by tying it to the

01:44:38.800 truth and I think

01:44:40.720 one of the best tools to figure out what the

01:44:42.720 truth is at least for physical

01:44:44.800 things is through science

01:44:46.580 okay are you done with that thought

01:44:50.800 now

01:44:51.280 so now I would appreciate if you didn't interrupt

01:44:56.680 me like I didn't interrupt you

01:44:57.780 now you started this by saying that

01:45:00.560 even science is going to be corrupted by people's opinions and thoughts, Fauci felt the truth was

01:45:08.600 what he was presenting, and he used science for that, and you would disagree with what he was

01:45:13.640 presenting, so your beginning of your statement contradicts the end of your statement. Once again,

01:45:18.660 when you say tied with truth, you cannot determine whether abortion is good or bad by tying it with

01:45:24.000 truth. You cannot determine whether the death penalty is evil or good by tying it with truth.

01:45:30.060 you cannot determine whether euthanasia of old people is evil or good by tying it with truth

01:45:35.840 you cannot determine whether cannibalism is evil or good by tying it with truth this is where the

01:45:41.720 beginning of your statement contradicts the end of your statement secondly when you talk about the

01:45:46.400 perversion of science i would agree with you people do have biases but again there is a system

01:45:51.200 to look at data and so on but religion on the other hand definitely has been misused but if you

01:45:59.600 want to know the truth about a religious scripture you definitely can if you watch the library tour

01:46:06.040 that we had with brothers nico then you saw that i explained how the quran and how the interpretation

01:46:12.480 from evidences looking at the chain of narrators the science of ilm al-rijal checking for the

01:46:18.040 authenticity memory moral character and so on going back to the earlier biographies so now if

01:46:23.860 isis or any other terrorist organization wants to know the truth then definitely we can explain

01:46:29.560 to them with evidences what is islamic ruling when isis lights a person on fire they're going

01:46:35.400 against the clear hadith in the sahih of imam al-bukhari which mentions that nobody has the

01:46:40.040 right to punish with fire except allah so that means those groups don't want to know they want

01:46:46.120 to misuse a concept atheism everything has been misused the greatest murders of the history of

01:46:51.880 mankind stalin and mao were not people of religion that's a person issue the religion of islam has

01:46:59.080 has been preserved through the sciences of ilm or rijal, jar or ta'deel.

01:47:03.840 If you don't know what that is, watch the video again about the library tour,

01:47:07.360 and you can learn those to know how, if people want to preserve the knowledge, we can.

01:47:14.880 If somebody wants to misuse any concept, they can.

01:47:18.040 That's a person's fault, but the religion is preserved.

01:47:21.680 Appreciate the time. Thank you so much.

01:47:24.100 No, I can't respond to that.

01:47:25.420 Fauci did not believe

01:47:28.260 what he was saying was true

01:47:29.640 he lied and knew he was lying

01:47:31.760 you can use

01:47:33.460 truth and science

01:47:36.280 even on aspects like abortion

01:47:38.140 you can figure out exactly when

01:47:40.060 and how a life is created

01:47:41.920 I'm sorry

01:47:43.800 that is part of the argument

01:47:45.620 I mean if there's a fetus

01:47:48.240 is it alive

01:47:49.700 or not how would you figure that out

01:47:52.220 with science

01:47:52.880 How would you find the truth?

01:47:55.840 Well, when a sperm and egg match and have shared DNA, which is replicating itself,

01:48:06.380 you now have a life form that is not the mother or the father, but a combination that means it's an independent life.

01:48:12.420 Once again, that is your definition.

01:48:15.160 Many scientists would say no.

01:48:17.100 Until there is a heartbeat, many would give their own definition.

01:48:22.880 So that means, again, science can't tell you truth.

01:48:26.480 And that individual, that baby in the womb, is the mother's right to abort it if she doesn't feel she's ready for a child or not.

01:48:35.840 You can't tie that to truth.

01:48:37.780 That's a moral judgment.

01:48:39.800 Is cannibalism good or evil?

01:48:43.180 Go ahead.

01:48:43.580 Let me know from truth why that's right or wrong.

01:48:45.640 what i said is if you want to figure out what is right or wrong you have to figure out to the best

01:48:53.920 of your ability what is true or not and figuring out the physical truth it's wrong figuring out

01:49:01.760 the physical truth i'm sorry why begins let me finish with the abortion thing before you keep

01:49:07.860 changing examples there are people that will say well it's when it has a heartbeat or it's when it

01:49:14.860 has uh when it has a brain when it has independent consciousness or something like that exactly and

01:49:20.020 they make the cut off at 10 11 weeks somewhere in there sure what what do you mean it has a heart

01:49:26.740 what is the it that has a heart it's not the mom yeah i'm saying like within their own

01:49:35.680 what they're trying to do is rationalize selfishness by saying and i'm not ready to

01:49:41.100 have a kid and i shouldn't have sex and i don't want this so i'm going to say well it's not really

01:49:47.420 a kid and the bias is they don't want to take responsibility for their actions and they're

01:49:52.640 trying to rationalize it by saying well this isn't alive they don't really think this is true

01:49:58.440 they just need it to be true because they don't want responsibility for the action

01:50:02.640 the truth physically the truth is once those cells once that egg has been impregnated and

01:50:10.920 starts cell division with unique dna it is its own entity now you can say well who cares it doesn't

01:50:18.440 know it's not aware of itself or whatever you can make some separate argument about that but you

01:50:23.560 have to start with the physical reality and we know very well where babies come from and it's

01:50:28.920 not the stork and it's not some miracle it's amazing but it is absolutely physical and

01:50:34.760 absolutely a long physical process there's no supernatural anything involved in the creation of

01:50:40.280 of a baby

01:50:40.800 and I think

01:50:44.220 to deal with

01:50:44.880 these things

01:50:45.660 you must deal

01:50:46.280 with natural

01:50:46.760 questions

01:50:47.280 with realistic

01:50:48.320 and natural

01:50:49.180 solutions

01:50:50.020 before I respond

01:50:51.880 can you respond

01:50:52.460 to the cannibalism

01:50:53.200 so that I can

01:50:53.800 then respond

01:50:54.540 and then end

01:50:55.240 this conversation

01:50:56.240 if you don't mind

01:50:56.840 yeah eating

01:50:59.460 other people

01:51:00.260 I just find

01:51:04.100 absolutely disgusting

01:51:05.320 but what about

01:51:07.700 the science

01:51:08.380 the truth

01:51:09.360 what about it i feel come on come on you're telling me how i feel you're saying how i feel

01:51:20.020 that's not science that's not truth that's how you feel because it's not one thing i said reason

01:51:25.640 and empathy but if i'm going to base my empathy on things i should figure out to the best of my

01:51:30.160 ability what physical reality is whatever matches truth i said there's lots of truths that you will

01:51:34.520 not be able to uncover so we make the second best decision we can to say i have an instinctual

01:51:39.940 natural disgust on eating other people the same way many animals don't eat themselves

01:51:44.520 and i'm not going to do that now somebody can say well look what if what if you're in a but that's

01:51:49.860 not a good judgment about whether or not something is morally wrong right there are many animals that

01:51:53.840 do it's not it probably isn't morally wrong but i just find it absolutely abhorrent and disgusting

01:51:58.920 and i'm not going to engage in that i would argue cannibalism is morally wrong and if we're going

01:52:02.780 to go based off disgust instead of truth like i would find pineapple on pizza disgusting but

01:52:07.640 that doesn't mean it's morally wrong thank you it's not yeah it's not morally wrong that person's

01:52:14.140 dead if their family wants to eat them in some culture i find it absolutely important but

01:52:21.140 they can do that they're not harming anything should they do that there may be something

01:52:27.180 and eating your own flesh

01:52:29.700 the same way mad cow disease arose

01:52:31.740 from feeding hamburger to cows.

01:52:34.900 I don't know enough about cannibalism,

01:52:37.100 but the fact that so many societies

01:52:38.680 don't practice it means we probably did

01:52:40.720 in the past and it didn't work out too well.

01:52:44.360 Once again, a lot of societies

01:52:45.920 practicing or not practicing something

01:52:47.340 does not make something good and evil.

01:52:50.240 Once again, there are animals that do eat their own cow.

01:52:52.260 Like you make it dangerous or not dangerous.

01:52:54.160 there are many animals that do eat their own kind that are they eat their own children even

01:53:01.400 monkeys and spiders there's a few exactly and that does not make it right wrong evil or good

01:53:07.520 and earlier you said we're going to look at science and fact and then you came back how you

01:53:12.000 feel so that that just seems like you're i didn't say only look at science i think it's a combination

01:53:18.340 and i think what you what you want to do is say look here's your natural world let's figure this

01:53:23.400 out to the best of our ability so that things are based in reality i gave you the value set

01:53:28.320 example like taking the umbilical cord off of an infant if we both have the same goal of prolonging

01:53:34.920 that infant's life and one society says leave it on there and one says we're going to rip it off

01:53:40.360 the result is and according to their own determination of life better than them dying

01:53:46.620 early pulling it off is wrong and you can physically explain why that doesn't work and

01:53:52.700 how that poisons the child or has a high chance to physically you can say that is incorrect now

01:53:59.580 you may have all the intent oh well this is ugly i'm trying to help the baby blah blah blah but

01:54:05.040 you are factually incorrect that activity does not result in does not have the consequence that

01:54:10.100 you're aiming at so within their own value set they are incorrect now there's a whole bunch of

01:54:15.380 different moral questions that don't have a physical proof to it and i'm not claiming they

01:54:20.800 are that would be ridiculous but that's if there is any physical truth to it like okay you cannot

01:54:27.840 use the body part of a dead animal to figure out a murderer then that story is wrong so that book

01:54:33.920 is probably not divine which means you shouldn't put 100 trust into something that somebody wrote

01:54:39.040 and probably made it up are you done you have to go no no i just wanted to didn't want to start

01:54:48.720 speaking if you were still speaking i do have to go somewhere but anyway i appreciate the conversation

01:54:55.360 once again uh you know when you look at something that just because you cannot figure out how

01:55:01.280 something happened doesn't make it wrong and just because there are things and i'm giving you

01:55:06.000 examples of things that you know had a a structure for example forensics and so on that at time of

01:55:13.280 people would not have been able to understand and they would have said this is wrong but in reality

01:55:17.600 turned out to be the truth so that's just a very close-minded and a short-sighted view

01:55:23.280 once again you can have that case which you just said that's what i was saying like when you were

01:55:26.880 speaking i let you speak and now you just cut me off i even asked i would rather you cut me off

01:55:30.960 when i make a point just do it because you say like 50 things that are like that's not really

01:55:37.360 now once again regarding cannibalism earlier you were talking about science and truth and

01:55:42.560 then you went to your feelings and then you said if things can be found by the truth and

01:55:46.480 And he said, not all things, again, I don't really want to hash through this again.

01:55:52.340 I appreciate your time.

01:55:53.800 And I encourage you and everybody reading and watching to actually read the Qur'an,

01:56:00.060 actually go back, look up the minimum gene concept, read these things,

01:56:03.620 and we can come back and have a more informed discussion

01:56:06.380 where you're not claiming things to be in the Qur'an that are not.

01:56:10.100 Thank you.

01:56:10.940 I'm going to read the Qur'an.

01:56:13.360 I am going to talk to you again after I read it.

01:56:15.440 looking forward to it.

01:56:17.120 I would love to let me know

01:56:19.240 when you finish reading it, and we'll

01:56:21.360 do another conversation like this.

01:56:24.480 Okay.

01:56:25.580 Thanks, Ryan, for coming on.

01:56:27.480 You can follow Ryle Liberty on Twitter

01:56:29.500 and go to

01:56:31.100 ancreport.com.

01:56:33.260 That's where all of Ryan's

01:56:34.320 information is. And I think we could also

01:56:37.300 have a geopolitical conversation next time

01:56:39.380 we speak, too, because...

01:56:41.120 I like his flags.

01:56:43.320 Well, that's more of what I do.

01:56:45.440 yeah excellent there's a whole there's a lot of things that i would say like not just cannibalism

01:56:50.820 like i don't eat dog there are people in some countries that do they don't have a problem

01:56:55.900 eating dog but i just have a natural empathy for dogs totally based on feelings whatever that's

01:57:01.700 part of my culture and i'm not going to do it but i cannot say like well but i eat i eat birds and

01:57:07.840 other things i like why is that okay and this one isn't no reason just ask my culture and that's my

01:57:14.420 natural disgust not eating a dog someone else will i cannot say they're morally wrong like i

01:57:20.140 eat pig i'm sure you don't like that you know i don't see a problem with eating bacon don't have

01:57:24.780 a problem with it you know interestingly there are scientific studies that show the harm of pork

01:57:31.340 outweighing all other meats in fact there's a study that was recently done i can send you a link

01:57:35.660 about bacon and how it's cancerous and above any other type of meat so your truth standard would

01:57:41.780 say that pig is the worst type of meat for you so you shouldn't eat it i mean there's probably a

01:57:49.660 lot of other meats people just don't eat at all well their study has been done and like i said i

01:57:55.180 can send you a link between chicken fish beef pork and these and they found the pig to be the

01:58:02.180 worst of all of them you can look it up you can find a study for whatever lots of people eat pork

01:58:06.880 and have been eating pork for thousands of years nothing wrong with eating pig you you don't eat

01:58:13.100 you don't not eat pig because you think it's unhealthy you don't eat pig because the quran

01:58:16.920 says don't eat pig i agree but that truth also proves what i believe due to divine revelation

01:58:24.780 yeah all right anyway there's a study of a pig i don't think so i think eating blowfish is more

01:58:31.060 deadly eating bear is more deadly depends undercooked pork undercooked bears more deadly than

01:58:36.620 pork yeah where did you get that from even that's why the eskimo wouldn't do it i'm sorry is there

01:58:43.180 like a study here or you just made that up oh generally we don't eat bears anymore i'm sorry

01:58:47.860 again you make stuff up this is amazing there's no study that compared bear and meat and pig meat

01:58:54.880 you just made that fish have like a chance of poison lots of shellfish once again bear and pig

01:59:00.960 is there a study that was done to show the difference health effect between eating bear

01:59:04.760 meat and pig meat or did you just make that contrasted the pig just to study that bear is

01:59:09.640 not healthy for people but you said it worse than pig and you just made that up this is not something

01:59:14.360 truth or science or you're eating pigs every day not dropping dead and those pigs are causing

01:59:21.760 diseases every day and there are people dropping dead pig meat causing diseases everybody

01:59:26.860 yeah yeah they do they do cause diseases you can look it up i'm sorry this is surprising that you

01:59:32.340 didn't know this google it look it up i can send you links to peer-reviewed clinical studies that

01:59:39.640 show pig meat causes death causes cancer causes worms in people's heads there was a case in san

01:59:45.660 diego people die from it worms cause worms in people's heads no pork that had that parasite

01:59:52.480 that couldn't be cured even through cooking you shouldn't eat meat that has parasites in it of

01:59:59.140 any kind and that's why pork is the worst because even cooking it doesn't kill the parasites unlike

02:00:06.140 beef and chicken and fish as i said i'll send you a peer-reviewed clinical study that showed this

02:00:14.520 I think a lot of people died of TB

02:00:17.500 From undercooked pork in the past

02:00:19.440 But that is not our reality today

02:00:21.440 Today in San Diego

02:00:23.200 I'm telling you

02:00:25.360 Today

02:00:25.700 Yeah

02:00:27.420 Have a good night

02:00:30.720 Ryan we'll talk soon

02:00:34.840 Peace

02:00:35.840 Inshallah we'll talk soon Ryan

02:00:38.180 Peace

02:00:39.720 Read the Quran

02:00:41.220 Okay

02:00:42.580 Hold on let's see stream guys

02:00:44.460 so we have more

02:00:45.700 for the

02:00:46.220 podcast plan

02:00:47.920 I don't know if

02:00:48.340 you do have work

02:00:49.360 in the morning

02:00:49.800 no no let's finish

02:00:50.940 we wanna keep going

02:00:51.500 okay okay okay

02:00:52.440 dedicated

02:00:53.440 okay great great

02:00:55.240 let me just

02:00:55.800 Chad give me one second

02:00:56.820 Chad stop saying

02:00:57.540 I eat dogs

02:00:58.260 just cause

02:01:00.040 you brought that up

02:01:00.900 and now they're

02:01:01.480 being racist

02:01:02.060 I really don't

02:01:02.860 appreciate that

02:01:03.480 that hurts my feelings

02:01:05.700 but that was

02:01:07.760 Chad who do you

02:01:09.000 who do you think

02:01:09.520 one

02:01:11.180 I don't wanna say one

02:01:12.440 it was just a conversation

02:01:13.320 but

02:01:14.360 who did you agree with more

02:01:16.940 there we go

02:01:19.660 in that debate

02:01:25.920 slash conversation

02:01:28.380 I was surprised

02:01:33.000 I'm surprised that he was

02:01:34.240 because when we were in Japan he was saying that he had

02:01:36.760 I don't know

02:01:38.820 I don't want to misquote him but he seemed

02:01:40.400 more

02:01:41.200 w shake

02:01:44.960 yeah um that was good with the um with the guitar uh statement because there were there were a

02:01:55.240 couple statements and i strictly as as a moderator during this conversation some people were

02:01:59.920 criticizing it's like i should have stepped in more but i think it was pretty it was a pretty

02:02:03.840 healthy debate for the most part i didn't really need to step in but there were some moments where

02:02:07.100 like i i don't want to agree with you because then it's going to seem like i'm picking sides

02:02:10.080 But admittedly, I do have to say that the statements he made saying that Japan has the lowest crime rate and then just bring Qatar, lowest crime rate, was a good one.

02:02:18.700 Because when he did bring up statistics, it was based off of the statements that Ryan was making as if they were factually correct.

02:02:26.000 So I don't want to pick sides, but just going off the truth, which is a big part of Ryan's debate, if we're going to go based off truth, I think you did a good job in factually correcting him.

02:02:36.860 Well, I would like to say, and I appreciate his time, and I appreciate the conversation,

02:02:42.540 is we do need to give evidences for our opinions.

02:02:46.380 If somebody says the Qur'an says something, there should be a chapter verse that says it.

02:02:51.380 And if you don't have that and you make those claims, those are empty claims.

02:02:55.980 Again, going back to the Bible and things, you didn't say the Bible has the kingdom, you said the Qur'an.

02:03:01.640 Repeatedly, there were claims made about the Qur'an that are not.

02:03:05.400 but I hope that after he reads the Quran

02:03:07.500 that he'll come back to a more educated discussion

02:03:09.660 can you send me the questions?

02:03:12.160 secondly

02:03:12.600 when we talk about

02:03:14.320 bear meat is worse than pig meat

02:03:17.040 unless we have some kind of studies to prove that

02:03:19.140 it's really not correct

02:03:21.540 to make such statements

02:03:22.520 when I talked about pork meat

02:03:24.400 and its effects on the human body

02:03:26.600 those are things that according to him

02:03:28.600 truth, something we can study and find

02:03:31.000 with actual causes has done

02:03:33.160 so

02:03:33.460 so um i wanted to get it i wanted to do a part two of the podcast that we we done

02:03:41.500 we did last night we've been doing non-stop concept we uh yeah you know i gotta say he's

02:03:47.580 got a hard job you guys think it's easy i mean this man's been working i mean he spent the

02:03:52.980 weekend with us he's been constantly out there recording going moving i mean five hours when

02:03:59.300 when i hear that he does five-hour streams i'm shocked like this this takes a lot of energy

02:04:04.460 this is not an easy job stop calling me lazy and stop sticking that content creation just because i

02:04:10.260 do this that it's an easy work i've just been non-stop where even people came up to us at the

02:04:14.340 restaurant i'm like so you're on vacation like no i'm working absolutely not here on vacation but

02:04:19.380 i do want to do a part two of the podcast that we had yesterday there's some some more stories

02:04:23.540 about your life there's some more questions i want to ask you and uh especially after doing

02:04:29.120 what I've seen in the One Message Foundation videos,

02:04:32.060 setting up the booth and then talking to people

02:04:34.240 in the park in San Diego

02:04:35.920 and getting three people to take their shahada.

02:04:38.600 That was incredible.

02:04:39.700 Allahu Akbar.

02:04:40.820 After wasting probably an hour debating Christians

02:04:43.680 holding a tripod,

02:04:45.080 Sheikh Guzma is running.

02:04:46.600 And then as soon as they left,

02:04:47.840 three people came up and then boom, three shahadas.

02:04:49.680 They even got somebody to take their shahada.

02:04:51.280 Alhamdulillah.

02:04:52.060 That was a really...

02:04:53.100 And that shows the truth of Islam.

02:04:55.120 Those people that come out,

02:04:56.160 they're not out there trying to preach Christianity.

02:04:58.280 they're not standing at their stall just no they're coming to attack us to stop our da'wah

02:05:02.180 because they know it's spreading and nobody's becoming christian but alhamdulillah today

02:05:06.220 within 15 minutes with our brother sneeko there we saw three people accept islam islam is the truth

02:05:10.960 and it's going to grow and it's going to spread there is no stopping it you know even people that

02:05:16.140 were watching that live said saw the lies that they said and got caught live lying and inshallah

02:05:21.880 inshallah you will see that people when they start opening their mind and reading and they don't have

02:05:27.080 that close-minded attitude they will find islam as the truth you saw the christians we spoke to

02:05:32.960 that were like no even if you show me anything i'm never gonna i was trying to talk to two christians

02:05:37.280 and they were like teenagers and we were just trying to i was in his 20s the girl was there

02:05:42.180 the girl was in his but he was with his girlfriend and he was like oh like he was actually realizing

02:05:45.880 that there might have been some falsehood in his belief but he saw his girlfriend was like no

02:05:50.060 you're a christian he's just like oh but you could tell that he had the urge to be like this makes

02:05:54.940 some sense but he didn't take the quran i was like just you know you don't have to read it now

02:05:58.840 just take it like it's free it was a free book he was sipping a little bit the reason that he

02:06:03.720 didn't take the book was just grow up it's like no even if you convince me you're wrong which is

02:06:08.220 so stupid like let me just show it to you no even if you show me it's wrong i'm still gonna die

02:06:12.840 believing in it even if i'm wrong she said even if i'm wrong i don't care wow and at that point

02:06:17.880 that's close-minded and faith and everything you should believe it should be based in truth and

02:06:22.680 this is why i found islam is that not only um is it faith and believing that there's a creator

02:06:26.820 because it's not something you can conceptualize or ever fully understand it still makes sense

02:06:32.140 like that it's it's not just like i have to just believe in the atheist belief is like oh there's

02:06:36.360 magic stuff like that well the quran has stayed consistent for 1400 years and even a lot of the

02:06:40.980 rules that we established just now with the debate with things like pork fasting and a lot of the

02:06:45.700 there's a lot of scientific basis in the quran and it's like how would muhammad peace be upon him

02:06:49.660 even know about these like the development of the fetus and in the womb of the mother many things

02:06:54.320 about that we find and there's books by dr zakat naik there's books by dr miris bukai and others

02:06:59.280 that have listed these you know they're clinical trials that science has proven things that are in

02:07:05.260 the quran that could not have been known by a man who couldn't read or write that's why this is a

02:07:09.620 truth now at minimum people should read it you know what i find disgusting is somebody who hasn't

02:07:15.940 read then makes claims or somebody who hasn't read and is not willing to read right if i can

02:07:21.860 show you the miracle of the quran then why wouldn't you accept it to be the truth if i can show you

02:07:27.240 the falsehood of the scripture why would you not at least listen and then make a judgment so there's

02:07:33.380 a couple more stories that we didn't get to cover in the in the podcast yesterday i haven't written

02:07:36.980 down you were going to tell me about stories from indonesia great uh and a lot of these videos you

02:07:43.660 can find on the one message foundation channel some of them we haven't even uploaded yet you

02:07:47.560 know so we were working on it but you know i went to indonesia and again once again and i will make

02:07:54.320 this very clear i do not get paid a single penny from ymf or my masjid he doesn't i don't have a

02:08:01.420 patreon account i don't i don't take donations i think he should i think he should monetize the

02:08:06.120 channel but i understand why he doesn't because there's all these haram ads on youtube and

02:08:09.460 he wants it to be as halal as possible and just spread the message of allah but there were

02:08:13.440 insinuating the Christians who came to debate

02:08:15.600 today, like, you take money because I

02:08:17.520 take money, like, no, he really doesn't

02:08:19.540 like I said, for you

02:08:21.080 you met the president of OMF, we can show

02:08:23.620 you the taxes, I've never been paid by him

02:08:25.660 even when I went to Indonesia, I took

02:08:27.600 off from work and everything on my own

02:08:29.600 time, now very interestingly

02:08:31.400 when I was in Indonesia, Alhamdulillah

02:08:33.500 two very good revert brothers who were Chinese

02:08:35.660 Christian Indonesians that became

02:08:37.480 Muslim, they were the ones that coordinated

02:08:39.280 we went out to an area

02:08:41.740 where these Christian preachers

02:08:44.560 and again people talk about

02:08:46.060 oh Christians can't practice

02:08:47.180 there is a Muslim country

02:08:48.020 the largest Muslim country in the world

02:08:49.640 Indonesia

02:08:50.060 go out there

02:08:51.100 if you haven't been there go

02:08:52.120 see churches everywhere

02:08:53.480 you see missionaries

02:08:54.580 I was on the plane

02:08:55.620 with a guy who had a PhD in the Bible

02:08:57.660 of course he didn't want to talk about the Bible

02:08:59.380 for some odd reason

02:09:00.140 but he was going out there to evangelize

02:09:03.220 he was going to be teaching the Bible

02:09:04.680 officially in Indonesia

02:09:06.720 and these missionaries went out to an area

02:09:09.400 it was a village

02:09:09.940 and we have a video of this up

02:09:11.140 and they brought alcohol to them and they brought cigarettes to them and they bribed and they did

02:09:16.260 this little trick right and we have the the chief of the village you know we have the video with

02:09:20.540 there on the one message foundation channel right they told him we want to teach your children

02:09:25.000 english and he was like okay so we're going to build a little english school what they did they

02:09:29.540 built a church right and then they started to indoctrinize those children and they brought

02:09:34.920 evils of society alcohol and cigarettes and give them out and the entire village in the whole area

02:09:41.300 they left islam right we went out there only a week something that we were out there we started

02:09:46.380 speaking to him we started we didn't give them any money we didn't go out there give them any

02:09:50.340 alcohol alhamdulillah we gave dawah 200 people became muslim the chief of the village and then

02:09:55.940 you just walk around people going from people to people areas to areas taking shahadah alhamdulillah

02:10:00.920 That church that they had built

02:10:03.760 And they had left with the chief

02:10:05.000 Alhamdulillah

02:10:05.680 We bought it

02:10:07.100 We made it a masjid

02:10:08.100 We called it Masjid Isa al-Masih

02:10:10.040 We made it the mosque of Jesus

02:10:11.900 Peace and blessings be upon them

02:10:13.640 Alhamdulillah

02:10:15.120 In Indonesia

02:10:15.980 We went out to another area

02:10:17.780 Which was far

02:10:18.900 I mean we drove 20 hours

02:10:20.980 Sometimes 14 hours straight

02:10:22.900 In this area

02:10:24.780 There's only a certain amount of place

02:10:26.940 You can go driving

02:10:27.820 The rest is a 4 day walk

02:10:29.640 and in that area people still live in a way you couldn't imagine people living today now some of

02:10:36.380 those people that became muslim i even have interviews we haven't posted them but inshallah

02:10:39.680 we will so these people live naked they still walk around naked they have some little cloth

02:10:47.100 here and there for function but but naked and they live they don't have houses or huts they

02:10:52.320 actually live up in trees and this guy he describes you know alhamdulillah he ended up

02:10:56.960 becoming muslim he describes you know they have no laws they have no police they have no electricity

02:11:02.120 in fact if if you go there in that area and they find you as as somebody from the outside

02:11:08.340 many times they'll just take a boy and shoot you and then they'll eat you they're cannibals you

02:11:14.680 know they have incest they have sex with their own mother they have they have the concept where if

02:11:19.220 somebody by force can take a woman he just takes it you know and this is in a muslim country in a

02:11:24.300 major largest Muslim country in the world right and alhamdulillah you know we went in the actual

02:11:30.160 area where they live in the trees this is a four-day hike we didn't go all the way in there

02:11:33.660 we went to the surrounding areas we met with some of them they don't even speak the Bahasa

02:11:37.640 Indonesian language we had interpreters who did speak their language who then translated and

02:11:43.160 through them alhamdulillah some of them became Muslim and I was shocked that in today's society

02:11:48.820 in 2023 in the largest muslim country where there's still such remote areas and that shows

02:11:55.320 you the importance of da'wah these people that became muslim they would say you know we had no

02:11:59.500 idea what the purpose of life is we had no idea of how ignorant our lifestyle was until people

02:12:06.200 came and talked to us about islam and there are some of these people that ended up becoming

02:12:10.660 christian but what did the missionaries do in the interview he talks about it he said all they did

02:12:15.780 is tell them wear a cross.

02:12:17.220 Take videos,

02:12:18.320 raise money,

02:12:19.360 millions of dollars.

02:12:20.280 It was just for a photo op.

02:12:20.940 It was all photo op

02:12:21.900 for that money.

02:12:22.960 Just like the Patreon account

02:12:24.140 that those guys

02:12:24.800 make their money off of,

02:12:26.640 just for money.

02:12:27.500 They didn't change their lifestyle.

02:12:28.860 They didn't improve them.

02:12:30.080 They didn't stop them

02:12:30.920 from the wrong.

02:12:31.980 But alhamdulillah,

02:12:32.720 those that became Muslim,

02:12:33.820 they stopped drinking,

02:12:34.940 they stopped smoking,

02:12:36.120 they stopped incest,

02:12:37.320 they stopped cannibalism.

02:12:38.920 You will see the brother,

02:12:39.920 mashallah,

02:12:40.500 he was wearing a thawb.

02:12:41.680 He started memorizing the Quran.

02:12:43.120 We took him out of that area.

02:12:44.460 We put him in a place

02:12:45.300 where now he's learning the whole Quran by heart.

02:12:48.420 These are things that affect the whole world.

02:12:50.940 To change people, to improve them.

02:12:52.960 Today you saw the people that became Muslim today with you.

02:12:55.980 They seem so refreshed.

02:12:57.200 It's like they became, they found their true self.

02:13:00.400 And I just want to briefly interrupt.

02:13:01.800 For all the people who are saying, call Nick Fuentes, call Nick Fuentes.

02:13:04.800 I did propose a debate, and apparently Nick Fuentes is saying that he's preparing.

02:13:09.060 I just want to say he's preparing for the debate because it's very important for him.

02:13:14.320 But Sheikah Zaman, when are you ready for the debate?

02:13:16.900 I'm ready yesterday.

02:13:18.720 Whenever.

02:13:19.420 Whenever you want to do it.

02:13:20.280 I don't need to prepare.

02:13:20.860 Nick, if you're watching this right now, call in and we'll debate right now.

02:13:24.780 Let him prepare.

02:13:26.340 Right now, I'm ready.

02:13:27.420 I'm not preparing.

02:13:28.860 You want to prepare, prepare.

02:13:30.180 So stop everyone in the chat spamming that.

02:13:32.380 I'm just saying the only reason he's not in this call right now is because he's preparing, which is good.

02:13:37.300 You know, it's an important debate.

02:13:38.440 Did you get that?

02:13:39.480 We did tell him, come in debate, and he turned it down because he wants to prepare.

02:13:44.080 Well, he didn't turn it down.

02:13:44.900 He's just preparing.

02:13:45.920 Well, he turned it down right now, right?

02:13:47.400 He didn't come on today.

02:13:49.060 Maybe he's busy.

02:13:50.480 He said he wants to prepare or he said he's busy?

02:13:52.820 Well, he said he wants to prepare.

02:13:55.060 So, he turned on being on the debate today to prepare.

02:13:58.100 Maybe he was busy, too.

02:13:59.240 I'm not going to make assumptions.

02:14:00.160 Okay, there's a story you have from Jordan.

02:14:03.840 I got to tell you this crazy story.

02:14:05.520 Okay.

02:14:05.660 Okay, so when I came to Islam, it's kind of a long story, but I wanted to study, and I wanted to learn Islam, I wanted to learn Arabic, I wanted to read the Quran in its original language, so I went to the UAE, I went to Ra's al-Khaimah, I went to Al-Ain, I studied with different scholars, and I really wanted to practice the Arabic language, so I wanted to go to a place where they don't speak, like I speak Urdu, I speak Pashto, I speak English, you know, I speak many of their languages, so in the UAE I could speak to people in other languages,

02:14:34.980 that I wanted to speak only Arabic so I can really get like a grasp of the language.

02:14:39.700 So I said, I'm going to go to Jordan.

02:14:41.000 I had a friend in Jordan.

02:14:42.020 I said, I'm going to go to Jordan.

02:14:43.380 It's a country where there's not a lot of Pakistanis, not a lot of English speakers.

02:14:46.400 So I can go to some of the outskirt areas and I'll have to speak Arabic all day.

02:14:51.860 And I'll get mumarasah, practice in it.

02:14:53.840 So I went.

02:14:54.900 And there's an area called Jabal Lweb.

02:14:56.400 This is an area in Amman, in the capital of Jordan.

02:15:00.080 And this is a predominantly Christian area.

02:15:02.480 there's a Catholic church, there's a Protestant church

02:15:04.980 there's a monastery, there are more

02:15:06.940 churches and there are mosques in that area

02:15:08.740 one of my good friends

02:15:10.800 had a store there, so I was like alright

02:15:12.400 I was there

02:15:13.440 one day I went for an early, which is called the Fajr prayer

02:15:16.820 early morning prayer

02:15:17.960 and I'm there and we're praying

02:15:20.840 and we see a Catholic priest

02:15:22.700 like with a robe and everything

02:15:24.420 and a wood cross come and stand

02:15:26.900 and pray with us

02:15:27.620 it's kind of weird right

02:15:30.520 he prayed and right after prayer

02:15:32.060 he just left well yeah it's kind of weird so you know I asked the brothers anybody

02:15:38.780 know again no don't know all right cool next day Duhur Asar Maghrib Isha we didn't see

02:15:43.540 next day at Fajr early morning prayer again this is like you know 5 a.m.

02:15:48.340 through earlier that over there right he's there again he prays with us

02:15:53.240 holds hands everything leaves that's kind of weird right looking at a white

02:15:59.120 guy white looking skin at least you know anyway after a few days there was a

02:16:03.980 brother who passed away and I'll know Abu Bashir very good brother he knew a

02:16:08.120 little English and he told me hey you're from America you speak English this guy

02:16:10.800 looks like he doesn't know Arabic let's go talk to my guy cool we went and this

02:16:16.880 is 2007 it's been a while we went and we started talking to him hey how you doing

02:16:21.620 I mean you know we're welcome but you know just you from here you know he's

02:16:26.120 like no i'm from the u.s oh i forgot chicago or boston somewhere on the east coast and i'm like

02:16:32.160 you got like a robe on i got wooden cross you're praying with us and he's like no you know i was

02:16:38.940 sent here to learn islam so we can preach to muslims the gospel of jesus the message of jesus

02:16:45.340 right and he came he spoke fluent english from the u.s white guy and he's like when i came here

02:16:51.480 is the first time

02:16:52.260 I heard the adhan

02:16:53.040 the call for prayer

02:16:54.480 is the first time

02:16:55.460 I heard it

02:16:55.980 and he said

02:16:56.780 when I first heard it

02:16:57.500 like it put me

02:16:58.480 like in a fearful mode

02:16:59.880 like I was like

02:17:00.300 what is this

02:17:00.900 and because in that area

02:17:02.360 there is a mosque

02:17:03.040 that gives the adhan

02:17:03.820 out loud

02:17:04.220 he said every time

02:17:05.220 I heard it

02:17:05.780 like it kind of

02:17:06.640 made my hair raise

02:17:07.660 and he goes

02:17:08.600 and then it started

02:17:09.220 attracting me

02:17:09.800 like I wanted to go to it

02:17:10.940 he goes

02:17:12.340 but I couldn't just

02:17:13.060 walk into a mosque

02:17:14.060 especially because

02:17:15.100 he was there with the church

02:17:15.960 and the Jordanian Christians

02:17:17.120 are strict

02:17:17.580 if you leave Christianity

02:17:19.420 there they'll kill you

02:17:20.280 and there are many incidents

02:17:21.260 you can google of girls that became muslim and their christian families killed them

02:17:25.120 honor killings from christians they're talking about another story of a brother having

02:17:28.920 a situation like that happening it happens yeah it's funny that you said that before you finish

02:17:34.320 story that he felt an urge to go to the call of prayer have you ever seen a video we watched it

02:17:39.740 on stream of cows and there's a french this these french guys are driving past the farm

02:17:45.220 first they're playing rap music and the cows are just eating the grass and then they play the call

02:17:49.440 of prayer through their car and all the cows come to the car they're attracted to the call

02:17:55.520 of prayer it's incredible to see that is beautiful that is beautiful and these are proofs right like

02:18:01.240 when you're talking about the truth these show you the truth and there are there's a scholar

02:18:07.240 and he had done he had gone out to new zealand i believe and he he would tell them let me just

02:18:12.560 read something to you tell me how you feel in arabic with the tone of the quran he would just

02:18:17.540 say nothing you know like about the apple or something and then he would recite the quran

02:18:21.840 same tone same language and people on video those like they would say how they felt about the quran

02:18:28.040 not knowing that this is the quran the quran the culture scientifically we can show that has an

02:18:34.300 effect on people right so this guy when he heard the adhan he said i wanted to go to it he said but

02:18:39.940 i realized that if i went and they found out that at minimum they would kick me out so he said you

02:18:45.060 know what in the early morning prayer is early enough and it's dark outside that i can sneak

02:18:49.780 out and go and pray with you guys and i sat and talked to him and i'm not this is not like one

02:18:54.700 of those fictional stories it's not like oh he took his shahada no the reality is he didn't

02:18:59.160 accept islam there but i talked to him i told him how do you feel when you pray he said the first

02:19:04.060 time i prayed with you guys in a mosque and put my head to the ground i felt what jesus must have

02:19:09.100 felt you know and that was deep and that's how jesus prayed exactly in the bible that's how jesus

02:19:15.100 prayed yeah jesus he goes he went a little further and putting his faith his forehead on the ground

02:19:19.660 he prayed to the creator to the father above and this is the biblical sense right right and he said

02:19:24.840 he said this is the first time that i felt how jesus must have prayed i i have to admit the same

02:19:30.540 thing even though before accepting islam like five prayers a day it just seems like so much but

02:19:35.820 every single prayer it's i feel a connection that i that no disrespect that i didn't feel

02:19:43.260 when i was praying in the catholic church like the standing the sitting the pew and stuff like

02:19:47.440 that and then eating the communion it was you know it felt like this is what you're supposed

02:19:51.580 to do they told me a little weird though i eating flesh and drinking blood like a little cannibalist

02:19:57.680 you are eating the body of they say the body of christ and you eat the body of christ and then

02:20:02.060 is that cannibalism then you're eating it's symbolic cannibalism i guess well it sounds a

02:20:08.640 little pagan but jesus is not a man jesus is well he's fully man though according to them but he's

02:20:14.160 god so eating god's okay but it's a symbol of man he's in the form of man i never got it but i have

02:20:21.860 to i have to admit like without any um by well i mean obviously with some bias but well there

02:20:27.840 wouldn't be because that time you weren't muslim right when i pray in islam when i pray in the

02:20:32.160 it's a feeling that i never had in christianity nobody forced you to be muslim right no did you

02:20:39.180 get paid to be muslim no i wish i i mean i it's selfishly like if they if they there's a conspiracy

02:20:44.240 theory that these oil shakes in saudi arabia if they offer me money i mean i probably should turn

02:20:49.600 it down right i should turn it down but i have not received that i'm just saying if any oil shakes

02:20:55.020 are watching send the brother some money because he hasn't received his check well would that be

02:21:00.360 haram to accept no it wouldn't be it wouldn't be haram but but it's just not genuine but the fact

02:21:04.440 that you became muslim without any monetary benefit shows that this is a sincere step right

02:21:10.600 and because your base is not majority muslim you're not doing this for clout no right i mean

02:21:16.340 people get really upset you can see him uh we have another uh what i really wanted to hear is

02:21:21.240 your weirdest

02:21:22.440 jinn story

02:21:23.140 and jinn

02:21:23.700 for these other

02:21:24.780 people watching

02:21:25.260 jinn is basically

02:21:26.120 demonic

02:21:26.700 devilish

02:21:27.860 what is the weirdest

02:21:29.120 jinn story

02:21:30.560 that you have for

02:21:31.500 and I'm sure

02:21:32.140 in your

02:21:32.900 in your time

02:21:33.920 you must have

02:21:34.520 plenty

02:21:35.020 I have some

02:21:36.400 but probably

02:21:36.940 nothing like yours

02:21:37.900 do it or don't do it

02:21:42.140 oh I want to hear

02:21:43.320 come here

02:21:43.880 come here

02:21:44.680 this is my son

02:21:46.980 Musa

02:21:47.700 what's good

02:21:48.340 with y'all boys

02:21:49.180 I'm gonna ask him

02:21:49.880 should I do it or not

02:21:50.640 uh just do it for the content

02:21:54.520 it's because it's because it's almost 1am but chat let's get some ones if you want to hear the

02:22:03.500 weirdest gin story but if we see a lot of ones i'll do it okay how's that and then so if we see

02:22:09.380 ones for the gin story we also have um your daily routine for when you begin to study in the uae

02:22:15.460 we'll start with that one first there's a little more halal before we get to gin

02:22:18.760 It's all halal.

02:22:19.860 Okay.

02:22:20.180 We don't step into no haram here.

02:22:21.580 Okay.

02:22:22.060 The jinn story is going to be in the halal and this, but I want to see ones first.

02:22:26.080 I see a one there.

02:22:27.320 I see another one.

02:22:28.360 There we go.

02:22:28.760 Oh, oh, oh, oh.

02:22:29.540 Ones are pouring in now, man.

02:22:31.020 All right, all right.

02:22:32.340 All right.

02:22:33.440 So, daily routine first or the jinn story first?

02:22:35.600 Jinn story.

02:22:36.220 The jinn story is more interesting for me.

02:22:37.740 Oh, all right.

02:22:39.220 So, again, I don't usually talk about these because one of the things that attracts jinn

02:22:45.100 is when you talk about them, right?

02:22:46.500 and I don't talk about like stories on YouTube or somebody else told me like I'm only going to talk

02:22:52.500 about what I witnessed with my own eyes and obviously I don't want to expose the family

02:22:57.420 or the people that went through this I'm not going to give any indication that would expose who they

02:23:01.300 are but in San Diego I'm not talking about like some in Sudan or Oman or Pakistan in San Diego

02:23:08.560 right here we had a family and Moses knows who they are they own the store he's been to that

02:23:14.460 store he knows the family so it's not like there were just some obscure people somebody who used

02:23:19.300 to pray with us and so on and he called us up and he said you know i have a situation uh with my wife

02:23:25.980 and i need you to recite some quran on her right and i don't usually get involved in these things

02:23:32.560 like you know first thing you see my schedule i'm busy in a day and night we've got things going on

02:23:36.820 work kids homeschooling family work actual work work and then dawah for the sake of allah and

02:23:43.700 teaching and researching and reading so i'm like look bro you know you want to read some quran just

02:23:48.200 you go read some quran on her i'm good you know i don't do this kind of thing he's a really good

02:23:52.420 brother we knew he was and he was like look i wouldn't ask you unless this was you know so i

02:23:56.280 was like what's going on he was like there's some situation so i'll tell you what you know what

02:24:00.140 there's something go see a mental health professional you know probably some kind of

02:24:04.260 chemical imbalance this and this he was like look i've been to the hospital i've been to doctors i've

02:24:08.640 been to psychiatrists i've been through everything i've had to hospitalize her many a times they've

02:24:13.540 done tests and there's nothing wrong with her and this is stuff that I just it's not it's not normal

02:24:19.200 right I was like tell me like you know just come over and then I'll tell you I'm like all right so

02:24:23.220 one of our imams of the majid she had a brother you met with him right so I called him up he's

02:24:28.740 he's a half of these memorized all Quran I said hey look this brother is a good brother he's got

02:24:32.080 the situation you don't mind let's go read some Quran it's probably nothing but let's go do it

02:24:36.560 you know for the sake of Allah no money nothing and the brother's like sure you know let's go do

02:24:41.600 it said all right went to his house when he got to his house he was outside and said look let me

02:24:46.480 talk to you said all right tell me what's going on said look i married my wife i'm not going to

02:24:50.580 mention the name of the country but from another country and she was raised in a very traditional

02:24:53.940 village and you know very doesn't speak english well only been here a couple of years moroccan

02:24:59.720 not going to mention the name of the country not going to let you guess at it not moroccan but not

02:25:05.320 going to guess anymore so you know i don't want to give any indication that would give away who

02:25:09.940 they are right so you know i mean musa knows because you know obviously he was involved in

02:25:17.560 the family and things but we've kept this very private you know so i went to their house and

02:25:24.140 he told me look my wife just came to the u.s and this and then we have a store and she started

02:25:29.140 changing and this is her hair started becoming shorter she didn't cut it it just started

02:25:36.800 becoming shorter she's losing hair no it was it was getting shrinking and it was rough and he said

02:25:45.220 you know when i approach her in a marital way her face looks different to me and she acts like a man

02:25:52.140 i was like what it's some real stuff this is some yeah it's a little weird these people yeah

02:25:57.820 it's real stuff

02:25:58.660 yeah

02:26:00.220 so

02:26:00.700 so it's a tranny now

02:26:02.020 check it out

02:26:03.560 I'm like wait

02:26:04.940 you know

02:26:05.580 like is there something

02:26:06.840 going on

02:26:07.520 and he's like no

02:26:08.260 he goes

02:26:08.760 and she's become

02:26:09.900 rough with me

02:26:10.600 like sometimes

02:26:11.400 even during

02:26:12.440 she'll grab my neck

02:26:13.520 and then

02:26:14.560 at times

02:26:15.180 she'll push my kids

02:26:16.100 around walking around

02:26:16.980 what

02:26:17.360 right

02:26:19.280 and these are people

02:26:20.400 I'm like I'm telling you

02:26:21.200 this is San Diego

02:26:21.880 it's not like some

02:26:22.560 you know

02:26:23.520 so I'm like

02:26:24.360 I was thinking like

02:26:25.540 like this guy's just

02:26:26.540 kind of whatever

02:26:27.160 he's out of it

02:26:27.700 i'm like whatever right and he's like look my wife's only been here a few years and she doesn't

02:26:32.860 speak english but she was sending texts to a woman that worked there explicit text and it spoke like

02:26:40.600 they weren't from here but it spoke properly and it's like slang like there were things in there

02:26:45.040 and the people in the hood would blush like slang and somebody from a you read the text i read the

02:26:50.620 text and there was like i want to with my and your words that aren't even like in a dictionary

02:26:59.300 those are those are urban dictionary words right that somebody doesn't even speak english would

02:27:03.860 no way understand or know and they were in from a man's perspective they were talking about

02:27:09.880 you know yeah i was like and they were and what happened is that employee came to him and said

02:27:16.880 hey look this is going on and he was like what and he said when i confirmed my wife she just got

02:27:21.560 violent until she had to be hospitalized you know she was throwing the kids around

02:27:25.540 so i'm like this is some marital issues going on maybe she's gone rainbow or something i don't

02:27:30.740 know right so i'm not trying to sorry like what do you want me to do he's like can you read some

02:27:35.020 on her i was like all right you know maybe she was saying it's steroids or something all those

02:27:40.080 thoughts were coming to my head so he said all right let's go you know and you know so we went

02:27:44.980 in and they had her covered up and things you know and her she had two big sons that were sitting

02:27:50.220 next to her like holding her and i was like this little lady like why they're holding her the

02:27:54.460 husband went behind her and then we started i told the shaykh i told him look i'm i'm gonna

02:28:00.760 read quran as well but i don't want you to stop no matter what happens don't stop reading quran

02:28:05.760 because i studied these things so he started reading quran and she started shaking and it's

02:28:13.940 like what's going on right you know they had our cover but shaking i was like all right it's not

02:28:17.920 normal but okay so i said look my sister right when i walked in you know i forgot that right

02:28:24.180 when i walked she goes oh you that n-word like she was the n-word right i'm gonna try where is

02:28:32.520 she from oh no you don't want to say but she was speaking let's just say a middle eastern

02:28:36.300 country. And she's speaking Shaniqua

02:28:38.500 dialect.

02:28:40.120 She was like, you're that

02:28:41.240 Shaykutman, huh?

02:28:43.400 What?

02:28:45.020 A woman.

02:28:47.760 Who's only been here for a few years.

02:28:50.440 So I was like, this is kind of strange, right?

02:28:52.280 So anyway,

02:28:53.460 I started speaking and then she goes,

02:28:56.020 F you.

02:28:57.360 And I'm, you know, she was using the words.

02:29:00.180 Right? I was like, what the hell?

02:29:02.840 Like this is,

02:29:03.700 and the sound was that of a man.

02:29:05.320 And like, I never, you know, I don't try to talk to women

02:29:07.600 So I mean, I don't know who she was

02:29:08.460 You heard the voice too?

02:29:09.880 No, no, he wasn't

02:29:10.300 I wasn't there for it, but I talked to the guy

02:29:12.920 It was, it was, the people there was just me and the Sheikh Abdul Qadr

02:29:16.180 You met Sheikh Abdul Qadr

02:29:16.740 And then he got back too, so

02:29:18.700 Yeah

02:29:19.120 So, this started getting really weird

02:29:22.920 Like, like I was, at first I was like, maybe it's got something else going on

02:29:25.620 But I'm like, how can, I mean, my wife is speaking to her

02:29:28.760 So I mean, it's not like, we know what the family is

02:29:31.060 So I was like, all right

02:29:32.700 And I was like, look, you know, sister, what's going on and this

02:29:35.280 And she's like

02:29:35.960 F you

02:29:36.520 Don't call me a sister

02:29:37.360 It's not even a joke

02:29:39.680 What the heck

02:29:40.660 That is some crazy stuff

02:29:42.100 Right

02:29:42.400 So did the reading the Quran

02:29:43.700 Get in there right

02:29:45.080 So

02:29:45.640 The shi'if

02:29:46.540 He was you know

02:29:47.280 Ali he was coming out

02:29:48.560 I was like look

02:29:48.920 Whatever happened

02:29:49.500 Don't stop reading Quran

02:29:50.360 Right

02:29:50.820 Whatever happened

02:29:51.440 No matter right

02:29:51.960 And you know

02:29:53.120 I have a whole section

02:29:54.400 In the library

02:29:54.800 About the jinn

02:29:55.400 And stuff I've shown you

02:29:56.180 You know

02:29:56.400 So we know things

02:29:57.200 I was like look

02:29:57.720 Might get violent

02:29:58.560 Whatever

02:29:58.880 I'm not touching them

02:30:00.000 You know

02:30:00.440 Like I told the kids

02:30:01.680 Like you guys better handle this

02:30:02.940 They're like yeah

02:30:03.380 You know

02:30:03.780 so we just started

02:30:05.300 reading Quran

02:30:05.820 and she leaped out

02:30:07.820 at me

02:30:08.140 like grabbed me

02:30:09.120 right

02:30:09.320 thing fell off

02:30:10.280 like an exorcist

02:30:11.180 I was like

02:30:11.660 whoa right

02:30:12.180 sons grab

02:30:13.200 these are big old

02:30:14.240 you know men

02:30:15.220 mashallah

02:30:15.640 and then she was like

02:30:16.920 boom

02:30:17.660 pushed one out

02:30:18.520 you know

02:30:18.880 husband's trying to

02:30:19.780 get her in a headlock

02:30:20.520 and I was like

02:30:20.960 whoa

02:30:21.600 like

02:30:22.160 it got real

02:30:23.240 things fell off

02:30:24.120 and hair was short

02:30:25.040 like it was

02:30:25.640 he wasn't lying

02:30:26.520 right

02:30:26.860 and subhanallah

02:30:29.140 and this is what I'm saying

02:30:30.320 like people

02:30:30.800 like I don't believe

02:30:31.580 in unseen

02:30:32.180 and I don't believe

02:30:32.800 in supernatural

02:30:33.380 i mean i've seen stuff that science can't explain you know uh so i was like i started reading quran

02:30:39.180 as well he's reading quran i started talking i was like look whatever it is you know you got

02:30:43.960 you got to leave this lady alone i was like look sister do you have an issue going on i mean

02:30:47.180 something you want to talk about some changes like i ain't your sister and word right i'm like

02:30:52.100 oh right and then so we're sort of like okay just keep reading well there for a few hours right

02:30:57.880 Keep reading Quran

02:30:58.660 After a while

02:30:59.840 She's like

02:31:00.160 Yeah it's my jam

02:31:01.060 It's my jam

02:31:02.380 I laugh on it too

02:31:04.260 I'm not

02:31:05.260 I'm not trying to use

02:31:06.440 N word here

02:31:07.060 But you know

02:31:07.500 That's my jam

02:31:08.400 You know

02:31:08.820 And I was like

02:31:09.280 What

02:31:10.800 Like this is

02:31:11.720 You know

02:31:12.040 And the kids are all freaked out

02:31:13.940 And she's like

02:31:14.300 Then it goes crazy again

02:31:15.920 I'm like

02:31:16.120 Woo

02:31:16.500 You know

02:31:17.140 I'm all fist balled up

02:31:18.680 And stuff

02:31:19.100 Subhanallah

02:31:21.060 Like I'm telling you

02:31:22.500 There's things

02:31:23.120 People don't realize

02:31:24.020 You know

02:31:24.360 So

02:31:25.260 In the end

02:31:26.460 the Shaykh kept reading Quran

02:31:27.800 I kept speaking

02:31:28.680 I was speaking Quran

02:31:29.460 making dhikran

02:31:30.340 and then

02:31:31.000 told her look

02:31:31.820 whoever it is

02:31:32.800 then she started speaking to me

02:31:33.940 as a man

02:31:34.320 she was like look

02:31:34.760 I'm a guy

02:31:35.440 I liked her

02:31:37.000 I answered her

02:31:38.160 and now I like the other one

02:31:39.540 and this is my thing

02:31:40.920 like straight like a dude

02:31:42.580 you know

02:31:43.480 I was like look

02:31:44.340 you gotta leave this sister alone

02:31:45.660 like you can't be

02:31:46.420 you can't be doing this

02:31:47.280 with a family

02:31:47.820 with kids

02:31:48.200 so basically all tyrannies

02:31:49.380 are under a jinn spell

02:31:50.920 you know

02:31:51.100 you know

02:31:51.500 there are scholars

02:31:52.840 that have written about this

02:31:53.780 that many people

02:31:56.000 might have had this issue of jinn

02:31:58.120 because the gender of the jinn

02:31:59.580 might be affected

02:32:00.440 maybe just influence

02:32:01.680 not like complete possession

02:32:02.880 like this

02:32:03.320 so

02:32:05.060 you know

02:32:06.160 two and a half hours

02:32:06.920 about into it

02:32:07.960 with reading Quran

02:32:08.660 and

02:32:10.040 you know

02:32:10.780 like I said

02:32:11.260 I mean

02:32:11.600 I'll take you to the store

02:32:13.320 if you want

02:32:13.700 you know

02:32:14.100 like

02:32:14.680 you know

02:32:15.340 right

02:32:16.380 and

02:32:17.120 and after that

02:32:18.460 just started getting violent

02:32:20.000 throwing stuff

02:32:20.900 crazy

02:32:21.400 all this

02:32:21.980 then she just collapsed

02:32:23.080 just fell

02:32:24.180 dead?

02:32:26.000 i was like i'm out of here i told the chef look look we gotta bounce man i gotta go home like

02:32:30.960 this is crazy so i came home and this is my family i don't keep secrets family i told him

02:32:36.680 and you know the guy put the hijab on her and everything and subhanallah i didn't hear from

02:32:42.680 him and i don't want to call him because like i'm not trying to get involved in this right i'm i'm

02:32:46.320 done week or something later he called me like i'm going back to my country you know i'm not i

02:32:51.820 don't care about the store this or that i was like how's your wife she's like he's like yeah she's

02:32:55.660 better you know she's she's not acting like that she's talking normal on this and then subhanallah

02:33:01.680 he left and then i don't want to keep in touch like this was i mean can you imagine being there

02:33:07.400 this was some stuff right months later he came back to the u.s like you know he wanted to do

02:33:13.960 some stuff business and stuff and he came and saw me in the mosque and he said subhanallah

02:33:18.780 after that day her hair grew back her face went back she didn't even remember any of that

02:33:25.620 no more

02:33:26.900 none of

02:33:28.180 people

02:33:34.860 you know

02:33:35.720 went

02:33:36.020 and

02:33:36.840 alhamdulillah

02:33:37.520 so I was like

02:33:37.940 would you bring her back

02:33:38.600 he's like

02:33:38.860 I'll never bring her back

02:33:40.020 to this country

02:33:40.620 so

02:33:41.800 you know

02:33:42.780 so she went under

02:33:43.620 a western jinn spell

02:33:44.980 you know

02:33:46.180 jinn's are from

02:33:46.800 different areas

02:33:47.480 yeah they're like

02:33:48.860 humans

02:33:49.260 that's my jam

02:33:51.480 the Quran

02:33:53.460 my jam

02:33:54.560 SubhanAllah, I don't talk about these things

02:33:58.140 a lot of people because

02:33:59.120 these are things

02:34:02.020 that people don't understand

02:34:04.060 until you've seen it. When you see something like that

02:34:06.120 it blows your mind. You realize

02:34:08.080 there's more to the world than what you can see.

02:34:10.540 Some people, they're very

02:34:12.160 close-minded, but they don't realize

02:34:14.580 that many things science hasn't

02:34:16.140 even discovered yet.

02:34:17.680 Many things that you may not understand

02:34:19.720 doesn't mean they don't exist.

02:34:21.300 Talk about black matter and all this stuff.

02:34:23.160 But, you know

02:34:25.060 This is one

02:34:26.920 But there's another one

02:34:28.600 When I was overseas

02:34:29.820 It wasn't me doing the exorcism

02:34:31.640 Somebody else was doing it

02:34:32.660 We'll talk about that on another stream

02:34:34.340 Inshallah

02:34:34.780 I think we can say goodbye at this point

02:34:39.200 It's too bad where I'm going out late

02:34:42.300 We gotta do the schedule first

02:34:44.060 What schedule?

02:34:45.080 My daily schedule when I was thinking

02:34:46.240 Oh, yes, in the UAE

02:34:49.000 And then also

02:34:50.360 I want to hear about the BLM rise

02:34:52.240 What was your daily schedule in the UAE?

02:34:54.580 So this is something important for those that want to study

02:34:57.600 and those that want to strive to better themselves

02:35:00.360 is to dedicate themselves to knowledge.

02:35:03.140 And this is something, as a new Muslim,

02:35:05.560 I encourage you as well to learn, to learn Arabic, to learn Quran.

02:35:09.300 So when I went overseas, I didn't take a scholarship.

02:35:13.240 Nobody paid for me.

02:35:14.500 I didn't take any loans from anybody.

02:35:16.580 I had a job. I quit.

02:35:18.100 Musa was with me. Yusuf, my other son, was with me.

02:35:20.320 I took my wife with me, may Allah reward her, may Allah reward them for their patience

02:35:24.140 and we went and my wife studied and the kids were memorizing Quran

02:35:27.680 and I, because I quit my job, I said, you know, I want to study

02:35:31.880 so what I did, I contacted a shaykh, there was a shaykh in Al Ain first

02:35:35.780 I studied with him one on one, then he told me, look, you have more time and dedication

02:35:40.260 I don't have to give you, so I want you to go and study with another shaykh

02:35:43.040 I went to Rasul Khayma, he wrote me a tazkiyah, accreditation, saying that he's a good person

02:35:47.960 give him time and these scholars didn't take a penny from me didn't take a cent from me this is

02:35:53.220 people who were mukhlis sincere for the sake of Allah so this shaykh he gave me every day from

02:35:59.620 dhuhr the second prayer around noon all the way to maghrib to sunset so every day in the early

02:36:06.700 morning me musa and yusuf would go to the mosque and fajr prayer the early prayer and they would

02:36:11.980 recite to a shaykh there and i would recite and got a picture of musa as a little you know

02:36:16.860 i want to see you after someday and you know we would do the quran there and then we would come

02:36:24.400 back after the morning perhaps reciting the quran to the scholar there and then you know you would

02:36:28.600 have that time to with the family take shower eat all that kind of stuff then from duhr around noon

02:36:34.180 all the way to asa around 4 p.m at that time i would study fiqh like jurisprudence books that

02:36:41.040 we have here okay and then from Asa around 4 all the way to sunset which

02:36:46.740 was around 7 at that time I would study hadith those over there so Quran in the

02:36:51.340 morning then Fiqh like books like Umdatul Ahkam and Zadul Mustakni and these

02:36:55.820 Akhsar al-Mustasarat then Hadith like books like Bulugh al-Maram and Umdatul Ahkam

02:37:02.400 and Dalghani al-Maqdasi you would have that from Asa all the way to Madhr then

02:37:06.540 from sunset seven eight o'clock from there till isha i would have a break go home eat dinner then

02:37:12.900 at isha my arabic teacher would come to the house and i would study the arabic language books like

02:37:17.280 and stuff to study grammar and i would go into the middle of the night and then i would revise

02:37:24.220 my studies and then early in the morning start again six days a week that was my year and a half

02:37:29.780 and I'm out.

02:37:30.640 Yeah, and you got to like

02:37:31.360 save up to be able

02:37:32.380 to live there too

02:37:33.600 because it's not cheap.

02:37:35.320 Yeah.

02:37:35.640 How much were you working?

02:37:37.060 At that time,

02:37:37.540 I wasn't working at all.

02:37:39.080 Six days a week,

02:37:40.000 that was my daily schedule.

02:37:41.940 For a year and a half.

02:37:42.700 For a year and a half.

02:37:43.320 And then I went to Jordan

02:37:44.160 after that.

02:37:45.320 Then I came back to the U.S.

02:37:47.240 So I got a job again,

02:37:48.360 started working,

02:37:49.160 saved up money.

02:37:50.020 Then I went back to the UAE.

02:37:51.220 Then I came back.

02:37:52.280 Then I went to Pakistan

02:37:53.300 and me and Yusuf

02:37:55.140 and Musa with my wife,

02:37:56.240 everybody went.

02:37:57.200 Then I studied there

02:37:58.240 a book called

02:37:58.680 Al-Fiya ibn Malik

02:37:59.580 which is that book over there

02:38:01.740 it's a thousand or two thousand

02:38:03.740 lines, one thousand

02:38:05.040 Arabic grammar book

02:38:07.300 Alhamdulillah with the Sheikh

02:38:09.120 Mohammed Bashir

02:38:11.280 and I call you Mahad al-Lughal Arabiya

02:38:12.860 and Islamabad and I enrolled my master

02:38:15.680 so it takes that dedication

02:38:18.000 it takes, you know, you need to put

02:38:19.760 work in, if you want to seek knowledge

02:38:21.320 if you want to improve yourself, it takes that

02:38:23.640 so there's a lot more than

02:38:25.660 just taking your shahara

02:38:26.500 you're on your way inshallah

02:38:29.440 You're on your way, man.

02:38:30.380 Alhamdulillah, he's saying all his prayers.

02:38:32.020 It's something that you never, ever finish learning.

02:38:34.900 Never.

02:38:35.680 You're going to study from the cradle to the grave.

02:38:37.900 As the great Imam, Ahmad ibn Hanbal, he said that we take the ink pot from the cradle to the grave.

02:38:44.840 I wanted to hear, we went shooting today.

02:38:48.040 And you're still in San Diego, which is not, I didn't see any pride flag shot.

02:38:52.100 There's nothing.

02:38:52.620 Can we get some W's for that?

02:38:53.940 L.A., San Francisco, most of California is done.

02:38:56.380 Yeah, West Coast, but I don't know.

02:38:57.940 I'm not a big fan of California in general.

02:39:00.460 Neither am I.

02:39:01.260 But San Diego, we're still holding it down.

02:39:03.500 It's still holding it down.

02:39:04.340 I didn't see one profile.

02:39:05.320 There are areas.

02:39:06.060 I'm not going to deny it.

02:39:07.280 I didn't see any.

02:39:08.280 So I'm going to go based off what I saw.

02:39:10.100 I didn't see any.

02:39:10.640 So I'm glad about that.

02:39:12.320 But during the BLM riots, what happened?

02:39:14.820 I remember specifically in Los Angeles, they sent out a message saying,

02:39:18.380 I remember that was one of the craziest times.

02:39:20.260 It was during COVID lockdown.

02:39:21.820 And they said, don't go to Los Angeles.

02:39:24.840 We can't protect you.

02:39:25.820 like we it's not safe here the mayor said los angeles is not safe if something happens

02:39:31.140 sorry yeah it's what a crazy thing to see but what happened in san diego during the same time

02:39:38.380 it was bad so the city we don't live in the city of san diego i'm not going to mention the city we

02:39:44.540 live in because we got a lot of haters that try to figure out where i live to harm me and my kids

02:39:48.660 because they can't debate so they get violent uh but we live in a city that is within san diego

02:39:54.320 county and the city we live in at that time had a riot so you've seen our street it's a cul-de-sac

02:40:00.880 and this area is all cul-de-sacs right and the police station is on the other side uh these

02:40:06.340 rioters from outside of san diego and most of them were white anarchist kids came out under the name

02:40:10.660 of blm and they actually burnt down our police station they lit our police station on fire and

02:40:16.760 the police because they didn't want to engage them and again the city of san diego police

02:40:20.360 department is different our city's police department is different and so that police

02:40:24.560 department decided we're just going to back out it is lost but we have an emergency text message

02:40:29.460 system that's sent to everybody that live in this area the amber alert but i think this is an

02:40:33.980 emergency text something i don't know but we all got texts everybody on my street and down the

02:40:38.360 streets that look the police station's on fire the police is backed out the rioters are between

02:40:43.320 you and the police so if anything happens and you call 9-1-1 the police cannot get to you

02:40:48.920 And I'm telling you this because a lot of people are like,

02:40:50.540 why do you need to have a gun?

02:40:51.800 Or why do we live in a safe country?

02:40:53.460 Why do you need a gun?

02:40:54.980 You know, you never know.

02:40:56.180 The Second Amendment was put in by the people

02:40:58.360 who put the Constitution together for a reason, right?

02:41:01.480 So here, at that time, we could not depend on the police.

02:41:05.880 And we saw the rioters.

02:41:07.720 You see when we come up that little street up here?

02:41:10.260 There was a barbershop right here.

02:41:11.720 There was a fish place that got burnt down.

02:41:15.660 They got lit up.

02:41:16.440 We could see, from my front yard, we could see the faces of the people.

02:41:21.020 That's how close the riot was, not just the flames, right?

02:41:24.540 So at that time, me, my son Musa, my son Yusuf, were like, we're going to defend our house, you know?

02:41:30.240 George Floyd died of a fend all over those.

02:41:32.360 Just take your left to the record.

02:41:34.760 Right?

02:41:35.220 We got the legal registered weapons that we have in this house,

02:41:40.980 and we stood on our property with weapons, and we were the only defense we had.

02:41:47.140 And people on my street,

02:41:48.560 those liberals that are like,

02:41:49.720 oh, you don't need guns,

02:41:50.540 they were out there,

02:41:51.280 we're so happy you're here.

02:41:52.620 Thank you.

02:41:53.100 Because you see that our house

02:41:54.500 is the first one

02:41:55.120 when you get down the street.

02:41:56.260 Very funny.

02:41:56.700 It's kind of like when feminists

02:41:57.860 would be like,

02:41:58.760 women empowerment,

02:41:59.660 until somebody breaks in.

02:42:01.080 And it's like, save me.

02:42:02.460 And then the men have to go save.

02:42:03.960 Same thing,

02:42:04.380 all the liberals here are like,

02:42:05.300 you don't need a gun.

02:42:06.120 And then times,

02:42:06.820 like now they're burning down buildings.

02:42:08.140 Thank you so much.

02:42:09.360 You know, during COVID,

02:42:10.140 you couldn't buy a gun

02:42:10.840 because all these liberals

02:42:11.580 were out buying everything they could.

02:42:13.840 And those guys don't know

02:42:14.680 how to use guns.

02:42:15.540 So they're having all these accidents

02:42:17.140 So

02:42:19.100 Moose of the witness do this

02:42:21.680 We spent the whole night standing out here

02:42:23.680 On my own property, legal

02:42:25.300 With legal weapons, saying

02:42:27.280 Anybody comes on this street

02:42:28.700 We're going to defend our house

02:42:30.380 So we had a guy from the writer

02:42:33.540 Start to come up our street

02:42:34.640 I don't know what they call him

02:42:36.000 He was like scouting or something

02:42:38.440 It was basically Antifa guy

02:42:40.920 White guy too, on a skateboard

02:42:42.660 He came up our street

02:42:43.540 For George Floyd

02:42:44.340 It's just a reason

02:42:46.260 Anyway

02:42:47.380 They like spray paint

02:42:48.620 A mural of George Floyd

02:42:50.560 Somewhere

02:42:51.120 A phenol addict

02:42:52.600 Who broke into homes

02:42:53.780 And like

02:42:55.120 And most of these guys

02:42:56.680 Weren't even black

02:42:57.400 It wasn't

02:42:57.900 It was just them

02:42:59.260 The barbershop

02:43:00.820 That burned out

02:43:01.320 Was black owned

02:43:02.160 Right

02:43:02.560 The black people

02:43:04.040 Were busy stealing Jordans

02:43:05.260 Free

02:43:05.740 I mean they were

02:43:06.940 That's what they were doing

02:43:07.820 Black people were looting

02:43:08.840 And getting Amiri jeans

02:43:10.600 With like

02:43:11.000 Yeah I care about race

02:43:12.180 Alright

02:43:12.540 you got a tv but it's okay they were getting they were getting nike texts i'm just kidding

02:43:18.220 what were you doing now he was here defending the house so this guy comes up our street

02:43:24.740 and all i did is i had a shotgun i said kaka they didn't say a word and as soon as he saw and heard

02:43:30.940 that turned right back around the riders went right past our street right they burned down

02:43:36.100 stuff right on that main street right there didn't come down our street so what i'm saying is look

02:43:40.560 guns aren't about you know being violent and things no but don't think that a time won't come

02:43:47.840 in this day and age in this country that you won't have to defend your house and defend your family

02:43:53.380 and i'm a man i'm not gonna allow somebody to come in and harm my wife and my daughters and my kids

02:43:58.740 without me defending my household within my legal rights within my constitutional rights

02:44:04.300 This is something I went through here

02:44:06.940 So don't tell me why do you need a gun

02:44:09.520 Why do you need so many guns

02:44:11.100 Why do you need this

02:44:11.820 I'm going to defend my house

02:44:13.400 If you're not willing to take that

02:44:15.020 That's up to you

02:44:15.980 You can watch your mom and your wife get raped

02:44:17.960 And you can sit there and cry

02:44:18.960 That's up to you but not me

02:44:20.340 That's not what Islam teaches us

02:44:22.400 You slap me

02:44:23.660 I'm not turning no other cheeks

02:44:25.060 You're not trying to get to my other cheeks

02:44:26.500 You slap me

02:44:28.020 I'm going to make sure you never slap me again

02:44:31.260 And that's how respectful society works

02:44:33.860 Stay strapped

02:44:35.020 Sheikh Uthman

02:44:36.420 Legally

02:44:37.000 Thank you so much

02:44:39.240 It's been a pleasure

02:44:41.000 Thank you so much for hosting us

02:44:42.860 I really appreciated everything you did

02:44:44.700 Introducing us to all those brothers

02:44:46.520 Bringing us around

02:44:47.940 Great food, great hospitality

02:44:50.320 Great family

02:44:52.120 Went from last year meeting you

02:44:54.820 Because of Musa

02:44:56.340 To now being in your home

02:44:57.840 I really appreciate your time

02:44:59.560 Alhamdulillah, it's been a pleasure having you

02:45:01.700 our brother snekel is doing great work forget about his past don't be sitting there trying

02:45:07.000 to hate on a brother he's trying to improve himself to be a good person to be a good example

02:45:11.120 encourage that islam has made him a better person and inshallah you will see great things out of

02:45:17.540 this brother i saw him giving dawah today this brother's got skills now inshallah you will see

02:45:22.060 it he's going to seek knowledge he's going to increase his iman he's going to increase his

02:45:26.060 knowledge and he's going to be a great motivation for all those people out there lost in the matrix

02:45:31.200 and the darknesses and the addictions and all these things inshallah inshallah and this is

02:45:37.000 your house you're welcome here anytime whenever you come to san diego we're here to host you

02:45:41.400 you know not because you're sneaker just because you're our brother in islam and like we've had

02:45:46.100 musa knows many people people that aren't famous that don't have that become us them they come to

02:45:50.700 san diego and we host them we take them around our mosque is your mosque you felt the love you

02:45:56.100 felt the community there our city is always open to you and honestly again i want to make this very

02:46:03.220 clear i don't get paid by youtube if you take my channel it won't affect my life at all what i do

02:46:08.260 is for the sake of allah and i love you for the sake of allah alhamdulillah thank you so much

02:46:13.780 bye uh we're gonna be uh two podcasts tomorrow so stay tuned for that doing bradley martin no

02:46:19.860 jumper a lot more work to be done i'll see you guys soon peace

02:46:23.420 السلام عليكم ورحمة الله للمسلمين

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SNEAKO HOSTS SHAYKH UTHMAN RYAN DAWSON DEBATE

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