SNEAKO - October 13, 2024
SNEAKO Interviews Mohammed Hijab After His Debate With Epstein's Lawyer!
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Summary
In this episode of the podcast, we talk about the debate with Umm dershowitz, why he's a hypocrite and why he thinks Israel has a right to defend itself. We also talk about how he got to where he is today and what he's been up to since his debate with Piers Morgan.
Transcript
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assalamu alaikum yes you're live can you see and hear me how you doing you okay i'm good i'm good
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uh thanks for coming on uh last moment's notice no worries at all how are you doing okay doing
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good i just wanted to to look at your review your debate with um dershowitz and i thought it'd be
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interesting to call you before how did it go well i mean i think it was um enjoyable from my end
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it was uh interesting you know i mean the thing is this now has become like when you go in pierce
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morgan uncensored it's not meant to be like a formal academic debate and i learned my lesson
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the first time when i asked i had a debate with a guy called schmoley yeah um and i asked him like
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because the the common protocol like the typical protocol with the debate is you know one person
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speaks for a certain amount of time uninterrupted and then the other person speaks for a certain
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amount of time uninterrupted etc and then there's like cross-examination and then there's like
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questions and answers or something to that effect so when i proposed that to the production team
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the first time they were not interested in that kind of thing so i realized what kind of game is
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being played because the first thing you got to do with these things is to see what kind of game is
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being played and the game is the loudest person the most assertive person the most aggressive person
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usually gets center of the ring so the strategy going into this one was okay well if that's how
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you guys are going to play it um then i'm going to have to play this game as well and i can play this
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game and i had to do a psychological assessment of a piers morgan and dershowitz and i found that there
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were two individuals with extremely fragile egos and quite um averse to or you could say hypersensitive
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to criticism but i would just have in my pocket all of these ad hominems that anytime where i thought
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like i was losing the center of the ring i'd throw an ad hominem because for me
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people don't look necessarily at arguments when it comes to these engagements
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i think the arguments are important but there are a secondary priority the first priority is
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actually optics and it's a genocide support or someone like piers morgan or an apologist really
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for the palestine genocide he tries to pretend or feign that he's on the fence but after a year like i
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mean 50 000 people effectively died in more than one country israel acting in the same way in palestine
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acting in the same way in gaza acting in the same way lebanon i was not gonna be questioned by this
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guy and i don't mind if anyone comes and says well you're very arrogant the way you've dealt with this
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very distasteful uh very unbecoming i say you know what it doesn't matter what you think because with
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respect i would rather look arrogant and um and be dominating with an enemy or with an individual
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as an apologist for the genocide then look uh professional but a weak at the same time so it's
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a trade-off i was happy to have and i think this is the only way to deal with people like this and um
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i think it was from my perspective it fulfilled the strategic function of showing the hypocrisy of
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piers morgan because when he was questioned with the same words and the same interrogations
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that he uses to question other people about israel does israel have a right to defend itself you know
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there's is what's the proportionate response literally his exact words were used against him
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and you saw him contradict himself in the span of a minute just does iran have a right to defend
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itself yes no no yes literally going from one answer to another answer in the span of 20 or 30 seconds
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not knowing how to respond to that question you know getting a taste of his own medicine
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you know he's been doing it like i i will never forget the interview that he conducted
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with jeremy corbyn right jeremy if you saw that interview bro who's basically trying to ravage jeremy
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corbyn with like 15 or 16 or 20 times asking the same thing you condemn this or do you does israel
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have a right to defend itself okay well have a taste of your own medicine piers morgan because it's not
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just you that can try and act the bully if you can try and dish it out and you want to dish it out to
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people like jeremy corbyn and this one and that one the other one abdul wahid who the the gp who lost
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his job subsequently because of that interview um and other people as well who he's been trying to bully
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if you if you act like that you know you're not about that life really because there's always going
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to be someone who can do that to you in a better way than that you can do it to other people
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and that person's mohammed hijab and when he came and he did it to you in dershowitz
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i mean he really didn't have a response i mean the physiognomy of piers morgan said it all his
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facial expressions his um physiological reactions he was a defeated man and that's all i wanted to do
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and uh yeah some people say it's distasteful but to be honest with you i don't care what i have to say
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about that yeah some people said that he started to cry that he he started to team up i thought he's
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supposed to be moderating what do you think is the the best way to to navigate these sort of debates
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because i'm sure you get criticism from people saying that you go guns blazing too much but i like
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the way you describe a debate as uh as the ring you're not in just in there to have a friendly
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conversation when it's somebody who's opposing your entire world view and you know it's all about optics and
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there's a big stage it really is a fight how do you navigate conversations like that without
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destroying your reputation but also upholding the point of view that you hold so dearly
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i think debates are more of an art than a science some people think that debates are are you coming
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with these arguments and you have to act in this way you have to not be afraid to break formalities
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at the end of the day there are some formalities with these things and when you're going on piers
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morgan's uncensored for example someone would think you have to assume the posture of an
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interviewee i didn't take that as a granted assumption so i took the frank quite frankly as
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much as i could with the tools that i had uh the uh i took the role of the interviewer i actually said
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i'm going to get the center of the ring and and the way i did that and i'm going to reveal the secret
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since i don't think i'm going to be debating this issue with piers morgan again
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is like i said before piers you just reviewed a psychological profile of the person that you're
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dealing with a lot of it is just psychological advantage someone will say why did you start with
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an ad hominem and ad hominem isn't that a kind of informal fallacy it's only an informal fallacy if
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you connect it to an argument and you say for example you know you are such and such therefore
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you are wrong i mean no one's making an argument in that kind of crude manner an ad hominem is actually a
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very effective means of discrediting your opponent of setting a psychological scene of creating a
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certain thing so to remove ad hominems for from a public debate on these kinds of issues is actually
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quite ridiculous and foolish and there's no reason to do so the only reason why the term ad hominem
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has a bad reputation is because people think it's a fallacy but it's only a fallacy if you connect it
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explicitly to a kind of logical proposition we're not doing that so so you can throw as many ad hominems
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as you want i mean sometimes ad hominems are like the spice like you know salt in on the food you put
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ad hominems there and and and you entertain the public with some ad hominem and say well well that's
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a bad argument like he did i said i'm not making an argument i'm just making a point and making a point
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about your character by his character about someone else's character and that's just for the public to see
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because look the debate is a bit like a performance it is a performance you you're coming out there
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you're trying to convince the public and so i want to say that it's an art because you you first have
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to look at the psychological profile of the person that you're dealing with knowing piers morgan the
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thing about him is as i mentioned he's hypersensitive to criticism and he always feels the need to justify
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his actions to the public right in a in a very in a in a i mean everyone can do that to some extent i mean
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there's a healthy amount of doing that to just explain to the public or whatever if people are really curious
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but he does it because he and it came out in his interview if if you really paid attention
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he really he cares too much what even his adversaries think about him he said what do you think of me muhammad
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what do you think of me who cares what i think of him i mean i don't care what he thinks of me
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why does he care so much if i like him or don't like him or these kind of things so that's a it's a
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psychological weakness okay and because for him he's not basing his stances on principles or he's
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basing on money okay he's basing on on these kind of things he's money over moral peers so someone with
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that kind of psychological profile it's easy to break him okay it's actually quite easy to break him
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it's a mind game that must be played with him because the first thing is the dash which is the same by
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the way you'd have noticed so when i was speaking to him about epstein's island he he kind of crossed
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his arm he became like a little girl oh i'm telling you i you know i didn't go to the island
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i mean why are you i mean the the way he spoke about that is it people are saying in the comment
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section it's very incriminating you know people are saying that he sounded like he sounded people
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are saying he sounds guilty i mean it was it's unbelievable like you know he went down with a jab
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really because both of them are like i say fragile uh psychologically so if if you know that the
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person's a disturbing is a liar and is a is playing a game with you he doesn't really know the facts
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and every single thing that i said about international relations has been fact checked
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and turned out to be correct every single thing about international law has been fact checked that he
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said it was wrong and it turned out to be correct so if these people are going to poison the
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well and lie about the facts okay well let's play a game i know your weaknesses you you can't really
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get to me because you can't reach me in that way psychologically let's let's let's see let's see
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so that the ad hom in the beginning was a way of really like um if you like putting the jab
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the face of the opposite the nose of the opponent in the beginning just letting them respect who you
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are it's like a psychological event then after that we'll throw the arguments we'll mention all
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these points all the kind of thing but you need to maintain center of the ring in a place like
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pierce morgan uncensored you have to as soon as you get in there the tactic is to get the center of the
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ring and ask the questions and be the interviewer and yes be ready for anything else but that's um
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that's what i've done with him and people will not like it but to be i'll be honest i i cannot care
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what their opinion is because i'm pretty sure that for the minority of people that don't like it like
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two percent three percent who said you went a bit overboard or whatever if they were on pierce morgan they'd
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probably get ravaged by him and they get if it was a two-on-one situation they'd get even more
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ravaged and they would be spoken over and they would be interrupted and they would be and i would
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rather be like i said before i would rather look arrogant i'd love rather look whatever than look
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weak on that show with that man defending that position for me that was not an option that's a good
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strategy and i think it's worked time and time again against shmoli and against uh that major debate
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you had just on palestine israel against piers morgan last year you got to get dirty you know
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the uh formal debate strategy does not work on a live show like that it's a it's a different type
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of ball game so it was it was good to see that i'm looking for do you recommend that i watch the
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the full interview or should i watch the highlights that you put up on your channel no you can do a bit
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of both i mean if i mean that i put some highlights uh the guys that are working with me benjamin
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icra is a fantastic uh you know person who manages the the social media platforms and i have to give
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him a shout out because he's he's the one who puts the things together uh you can watch that as a taster
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and stuff some things that he put on the shorts and all these kind of things they're good but i mean
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you can watch the whole thing because you'll see i mean just pay attention to the body language pay
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attention to the psychology of these people pay attention to how weak they look because that for me is
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more important than anything for me for me um optically how a debate looks is as important
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as how it sounds so so for example if someone were to turn off all the sound and children were
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to come into a room and they had to judge who is the winner of this debate the child should be able
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to point without hearing a word at the winner of the debate just by the body language and the demeanor
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and the confidence levels of the interlocutor and that's for me uh a very very integral part of
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debates what about the uh the you had another debate recently with um that you were preparing
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for for a long time what is his name again it's uh william lane craig yeah william lane craig i i
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didn't get to see that yet how did that that one it seemed like that was i saw some highlights but
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it seemed like that was unanimously in the in your favor it was i mean but the thing is that william
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lane craig is no um you know durschwitz he's he's a person who's quite frankly i have to say he is
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academically honest and he is a heavyweight in the world of academia in the field that i've
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you know completed my phd on completing my phd is philosophy of religion he's really one of the
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biggest names in the last hundred years and in christian debates he could be said to be
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the biggest name in the last hundred years so william lane craig is if you've watched any of
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these christian apologists usually in some way shape or form the teacher of your favorite christian
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apologist debater like for example david would have a big debate with david would in 2018
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and william lane craig would be considered to be in a way his teacher so he's a big big fish and and
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you can't really get away with things with him he's written a book on logic he's written so many peer
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reviewed papers so i actually prepared for that debate very rigorously and very um you know uh
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strenuously like every day i would be reading his books i've read most of not all his books i've read
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most of not all his um seen most of if not all his debates and all of his public lectures and
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everything that there is to do with this guy because for me this was more of an academic debate
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yeah i was assertive but it's not like that debate is not going to get as much traction as this one
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because the the performative aspect of the entertainment aspect was much less uh because it
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was about the facts and i think it was good i think we went back and forth um there was nothing that he
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said that really threw me off or that something i didn't hear before except for one um example that
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he gave about some candles which i miss heard because he said that you know if you put two
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matchsticks together and uh and you know both of them will light a candle will look like a light a
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candle and i heard him differently in my head saying that if you put two candles together it will become
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a bigger flame so in my mind that that was that was a mistake that i made in hearing what he had to say
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um and that was the only thing that he brought that i didn't expect him to bring because i
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didn't really read it in any of his works this thing about over determination i think he thought
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about it on the spot um however obviously now having heard what he said i think it's even a weaker
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argument than i thought it was in the beginning because uh what he was trying to say was that you
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know if god i'm saying that it's father the son the holy spirit how could all three of them create the
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universe fully and totally uh and at the same time together how is that possible so he said that
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well if you get two matches okay and you bring it to the wick of a candle okay then those two matches
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both of them are fully uh necessary for the lighting of the wick of that particular candle and that's a
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very very very very very weak argument because the truth is if if you've got two matches and you
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from a physics perspective if one of them produces enough energy to light the candle you don't need
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the other match becomes superfluous it's unnecessary completely so you can't say that actually two
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matches are the ones which lit the candle because actually only one match was required to like the
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candle and the other one was there as a redundant feature from a physical perspective like the heat of the
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second one is no is not required because there's a threshold that was used for the first match but
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that's the only thing i think that some christians came out and said well you said this and this and
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whatever but nevertheless even what i did say which i misheard what he said was correct if you do bring
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two flames together the flame will become bigger there's no controversy in that um so the point is is
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that you cannot have two entities okay which create the universe to a degree of 100 each and the
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the similitude of saying that you can is the same similitude of saying that you can have two mothers
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that are 100 responsible for the production or the creation or the giving birth to one child
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to having two mothers that are 100 capable of uh producing one child and i've given this example
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before and it's something that william lanecraig did not respond to and cannot respond to and will not
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respond to because it's something which is too um clear for anyone to dispute and to be honest if he
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can't do it with two phds a master's degree and a ba and all these books and 30 books i mean in this
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library behind me i've got some of little uh library i've got some of his books as you can see here
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you know this is a book you can see he's written on time and eternity you can see with copious notes
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attached to it he's uh william lanecraig you know lots of books of his that um that i've got here that
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it's not even related to the topic he's written many many books he's a man that is probably the
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foremost philosopher you know um in the christian world and he if he couldn't answer these questions
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i'm sorry to say yeah who can who can so the trinity cannot be defended yeah he compared it to a three
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headed dog correct he exactly that bro i mean i mean comparing the trinity the father the son of the
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he's saying look his argument is this he's saying you've got a three if you've got a three-headed
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dog you've got a three-headed dog it's actually just one dog with three heads the response is a
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very simple response and christians have themselves responded to it and said actually if you've got a
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dog with three heads you've got three dogs with one overlapping body in the same way as if you had a
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conjoined twin or siamese twin you know if you've got a conjoined twin that's two people but it's just
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got some connection between those two people you so if that's your strongest argument bringing a
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three-headed dog to prove the trinity then you know how false christianity is that itself you have
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the top man top dog no pun intended you've got the top dog of the christian world okay yeah in the last
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hundred years last hundred years you know and this is this guy is the one who defeated so many people
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and argumentation somehow is this one that one written books peer-reviewed you know 50 years in
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the game 50 years half a century in the game and this is his best attempt there's no way i'm sorry to
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say there's no way uh this can be made sense of you cannot make sense of the trinity and if you can't
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make sense of the trinity you still believe in jesus islam is the only religion really only world
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major world religion if you still believe in jesus you want to believe in the messiah and you can't make
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sense of the trinity then you have to believe he's the prophet and the messenger and that he's not
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god or the son of god because it doesn't make sense for him to be part of the trinity and if that's it
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if you've understood that then islam is really the only option for you what do you have coming up for
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because you're coming off of two big wins i i see on twitter that you're you're very selective with
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your debates and i think that's the right strategy right when you get to a certain point when you when
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you have like major victories under your belt a lot of other debaters will want to come in there
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and try to do a quick one because they get to steal some of that aura they get to steal that
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that win it is a lot like fighting you need to be selective with it what do you have uh coming up
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forward do you anything major or do you think that you should relax for a bit by the end of the month
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i've got something to announce um which will be in my understanding quite major but uh the announcement
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will come at the end of uh the month in terms of debating though i'm going to give it a rest until
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something comes to my attention which is interesting i mean to be honest there's like
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seven or eight people now that are lining up on a waiting list to debate to debate me and i have no
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problem maybe one day they'll get their chance but they also need to understand that i've been debating
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for a very long time and that now my debates have garnered some of the most views and interactions
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and engagements in the world okay that's a fact i mean in multiple languages so just being fair
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if they were in my position and then they had the same kind of resume i'm putting aside whether you
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think i won or lost any of those debates that's a subjective value judgment and of course if you
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don't agree with me ideologically you're going to think i lost every single debate i've ever been in
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it's not a problem but the fact remains that from an influential perspective or from a prominence
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perspective that that my debate has my debates for the last since especially since 2018 but well
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beyond that have garnered the the kind of traction that they've garnered so if somebody was a tenth of
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the you know if someone was a tenth of the um uh with the numbers that i've got has the audacity to
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come and speak to me as if oh you're a coward if you don't do such and such and you're such and such
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if you don't do such and such i mean why do you think i owe you a debate i don't owe anybody a debate
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you know what i mean so i mean until you come and done what even a fraction i'm not even telling you
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to do what mahammad hijab done that might be an impossible thing for you to do but go ahead and
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do some of that go and go and do 20 in your community get that level of 20 on track 30 maybe
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you know i like debating i enjoy it you can come to me and you can fulfill like somebody called jay
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dyer or sam uh the wife b or anybody else who wants to you know engage uh shmoli came the other day
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this guy uh musab uh ibn yusuf or i don't know his full name or or this one of that there's so many of
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them that have come and and and presented themselves this other guy called i don't know andrew wilson or
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is that his name yeah i yeah that's his name and he's he's like yeah come and speak to me i mean
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there's so many of them i mean so go in and then i click on the all i have to do is click on their
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thing and see their engagements and they're not really big figures so okay i'm a coward or i'm a
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bad man or i'm a scared man because i don't want to accept a debate with an individual or individuals
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that have a tenth of my following or a tenth of my or have not really achieved much in their
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communities if that's what you want to say to yourself to make yourself feel good then by all
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means yeah with that i think the william lane craig debate that does kind of encompass a lot
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of the other christian apologists so there's there's no need to you know as a as a viewer's
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perspective there's no need they i have to be excited for it because at the end of the day i'm
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not excited by these names i mean that you know these names are not they're not exciting me and it's
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i'm sorry to say you know i have to be motivated so when piers morgan gave me andrew does which
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and i thought 2-1 i'm going to make this into it this it's going to be a 2-1 engagement here's
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morgan he gets the numbers okay humiliating him in front of the public and stuff like that
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is there a need for that is there is there a utility in that i said okay no problem
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and i did it in one day's notice i checked out you know because i've read some of that
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dershowitz stuff before so i just looked at my notes from the library and stuff like that and
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saw and spoke to a few people international relations experts and stuff and we went for it but if
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if you're not going to be what you get what you bring into the table at the end of the day for
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all those people who want to debate mohammed hijab the question really remains what are you bringing to
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the table it's not like you're bringing most of these people are unqualified a lot of these people
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don't even have a single qualification they're so you're not an academic you're not you don't even
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have social media reach you're not even loved in your own communities you don't so what is it
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about the yani but the point is you can go and prove yourself go get a few wins under your belt
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go and let the community but back you and then if i see and if my team finds that you know that
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you're you're at a certain level maybe one day no problem i'll be around i'm 30 i'm just turned 33
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years old i mean i'm still quite young there's you know years and years of my life you maybe we'll meet
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one day but the point is i mean it's uh for them to think that they are they're in what kind of
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entitlement must they have i mean for me when i approached william lane craig i i approached him with a
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a certain level of respect i mean this guy's way my my senior he's much more if he said no because
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you're not on my level honestly if he said that to me i'd be okay fine he's right i'm not on his
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level he's he's done much more than i have and he's been in the game for more than i have that's
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simple as that if someone like even to be fair even like richard dawkins who i would love to debate
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one day but if he says look i'm sorry but you know go and build yourself up a little bit more and
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come back to me i'll say to him yeah fair enough you can say things like that but you might not be alive
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you know i might not be alive you might not be alive nobody might be alive but he's 18 something
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years old you know fine if you're the a side you can speak like that but if you're not the a side you
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can't speak like that so by the end of the month there's going to be uh some uh some uh some some
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announcements that we're going to make uh about uh some things that's going to happen but i'm
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definitely going to give debating a bit of a rest for now until something comes up i figured you were
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going to that's probably um that's probably the smart decision are you good friends for us a
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hobby because we were i'm planning a stream with him to go out to montreal i'm headed to canada
00:25:38.320
tomorrow are you are you good friends with them very good friends with him i think he's i even
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watched i've actually watched most of his videos as well uh people don't know that he's got he's
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actually got this kind of he's got a website called jujuclub.com and i've and that website he he
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puts tutorials about uh jiu-jitsu striking tutorials a lot of like mixed martial arts stuff
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and they're really good he's a good teacher like he shows how to he breaks things down analytically
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um he's a grappling expert under john danaha who's like you know really and truly one of the greatest
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grapplers alive today um and he's obviously an mma expert he's joe rogan described him as the best
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mma coach in the world today actually and uh gsp uh was a student of his so you can imagine gsp is
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considered really the best mma fighter in the world today oh of all time actually because of all time
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so this is the level that we're doing is a treasure in the community because he combines between like
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the philosophical understanding the intelligence but also the the warrior spirit and also the you know
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the love for martial arts so i think he's a great friend of mine and uh uh someone i've learned a
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lot from uh and uh taking a lot from personally okay that's a good recommendation there's a lot
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anything that i should ask him just in general i probably just pick his brain i think so i mean look
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i mean you know um it depends on what you wanted what your objectives are if your objectives are to get
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good at uh mixed martial arts then um clearly you can ask him a good template speak to him in a macro
00:27:18.560
sense what is because if you go to if you go to montreal for a couple of weeks you're not going
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to go and come back as uh you know gsp but what you might go and come back it with is the way to
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become like the new gsp in a sense that he'll give you the tools he'll give you the routines he'll give you
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the like anything to do with routines i think is always good when you ask a person of that caliber
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what are the routines that i must employ i think these are the kinds of things you've got to ask
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yourself what your objectives are and then ask him how how do you meet those objectives so that when
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you come back to florida that you you're able to are you in florida now yeah i'm back in miami
00:27:56.080
is there alligators i saw some alligators on this on the streets no alligators the hurricane is uh
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you can probably see a little bit outside it's nice and sunny i think it was overhyped by the media
00:28:05.040
it's okay here oh really i saw some alligators and stuff like that no gators here
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yeah but yeah i mean that's what it is bro like you know give a man a fish feed him for a day
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teach him how to fish you know feed him for a lifetime so someone like for us a hobby you don't ask
00:28:18.960
him for a fish you ask him you know to to know how to fish and um and that's what i would do that's um
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that's yeah that's the best thing to go with it but i mean i wasn't planning to go for a couple
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weeks but it seems like there might be the it's gonna be cold up there how's everything in london
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it's good it's it's now it's like autumn here um weather's good we're all waiting for you bro you
00:28:43.360
need to come back i think really you need to relocate here i know you don't like the weather
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you don't we don't have the the florida weather but actually to be honest i think our weather is
00:28:50.240
probably better than your guys's at least this week you know it's alligators but that's the first
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week in a long time yeah i miss london i've been spending quite a bit of time there this year
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but yeah things have quieted down and speaking of uh things in london we tried to set up a debate i
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don't know if you know aiden ross we tried to set up a debate with uh dan bilzerian and and
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tel aviv tommy robinson tommy uh didn't he refused he didn't respond to it he ran away from the debate
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unfortunately it's on me tommy uh robinson has run away from multiple debates
00:29:22.480
um and dan from my understanding has a greater reach than tommy robinson yeah and since uh yeah
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and he's well more well known more respected he's come out and said some fantastic things about
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palestine he's shown to be open-minded and uh you know we have uh we have good opinions about this man
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and we hope that he continues with this principal stance because to be honest with you he's shown quite
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a good level of courage and uh valor in the face of these uh ops and enemies that are on social
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media yes he would he wouldn't debate someone like uh tommy wouldn't debate someone like him because
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he knows that the crowd will be against him he'll know he knows that um that dan will put him in his
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place because he he speaks sense and he doesn't he doesn't want to debate another white man he wants
00:30:08.400
to go and debate tommy wants to debate brown people with low iq that's who that's the the usual
00:30:13.920
target he wants to debate somebody's unknown quantity with a very low iq so that he can say
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and tommy's not a debater tommy's not an academic tommy's not anything tommy's a street agitator
00:30:27.120
that's fine he can he can say on the street but in fact what's worse is that he's a street agitator
00:30:31.920
that's not even an agitator on the streets of the uk because he agitates from greece when other people
00:30:38.880
with his uh lackeys and followers and whipping boys here in the uk will do his work for him
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because they uh feel disenfranchised and have no one else to go to i mean dan's not a debater either
00:30:50.960
dan bozerian is a business mogul as a poker player he does not have a debate background whatsoever so i
00:30:56.880
thought it was pretty well matched and also they had a back and forth on twitter there were
00:31:01.840
what's his name tommy robinson was accusing myself and dan bozerian of being paid by iran and saudi
00:31:06.640
and i had this funny conversation with dan it's like if someone was going to offer us money to don't
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pose and take pictures with the quran we i would i would take the money if somebody was offering up
00:31:16.080
some giant sums of money in order to promote islam i would gladly take it but there there is none well
00:31:21.760
what tommy robinson is doing is project psychological projection because that he is
00:31:26.880
um on the record of getting money through zionist entities so he thinks everyone deals with life the
00:31:32.000
way he deals with it you know he gets money money over morals all these kind of things then he does
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so he's on the record of you know getting funds and stuff like that and people have shown loki for
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example has shown uh the trail to the zionist uh causes and so he's he's projecting he's saying oh you
00:31:51.120
know sneaker is getting money from saudi arabia but somehow now i didn't know that saudi arabia was
00:31:57.520
offering money for people that are doing uh dawah that's that's the first time i've heard of it
00:32:03.680
because if they were i mean i've been in the game for a very long time i think i deserve the first
00:32:08.320
one in the line i should be getting some money from the saudi to be honest with you but um you know i
00:32:15.520
mean it's it's a modest cause honest genuinely i mean the thing is that that was a very modest cause
00:32:21.200
and you'll find that no one probably offered you anything in the time the only thing we offer in
00:32:26.240
islam is truth and brotherhood and and that's all the things we need that's it uh dan mozerian
00:32:33.440
same thing he's saying that he's only lost money talking about this he's lost millions of dollars
00:32:38.240
people have pulled out of his businesses the shareholders want to get rid of him as the ceo
00:32:42.320
because he's speaking up about palestine it's uh it's a cause that you you lose a lot for but
00:32:46.880
you you gain a nobility and respect from the community
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yeah because if you i mean some look the people who have stood up for these causes
00:32:56.240
are going to be etched in history as people who spoke the truth people like muhammad ali people
00:33:01.520
like malcolm x there's no question even at their time if you read malcolm x which i know that you have
00:33:07.280
you'll find that he found um you know people in his time really opposing him you know for what he was
00:33:14.480
saying they considered him to be an extremist they considered him to be out of the ordinary and he was
00:33:19.520
fighting against the tide but at the end of the day you know this is actually what gives us meaning
00:33:24.560
and power and strength because we can either decide to be sheep or shepherd there's no third option in
00:33:32.080
the age of social media now you can either decide to bring people to a noble cause and to the truth
00:33:38.640
or you can decide to follow everyone else in what they're doing and go go with the modern ideology of
00:33:44.480
the day the fad of the day whether it's lgbtq ideology whether it's trans ideology whatever it is
00:33:51.520
you can decide to go with that and you'll be forgotten and rendered uh irrelevant in the dust
00:33:57.040
bins of history the trash heap of history or you could decide to speak the truth and then you can have
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a legacy which is inshallah from our perspective as muslims sadaqatun jariya or this idea of a continual
00:34:10.160
charity you know it's a continuous after you die if you leave something good then your your good deeds
00:34:17.440
continue we believe if you've left something good like for example if we leave an orphanage or for
00:34:22.720
example if you leave a water well or for example if you've left good knowledge or good dawah that
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brings people to islam and that removes the doubts away from the people this kind of thing we believe will
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continue after your death in a spiritual sense and in a material sense what they have is not going to
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continue uh even within their own lives let alone after their death i appreciate you for coming on
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this was uh informative a good uh precursor to watching this debate so thanks a lot i know that
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it's very late over there in london mohammed a job thanks so much no no thank you so much bro
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i'll see you soon bro all right see you soon assalamualaikum