01:13:41.200You know, when I first started doing this videos in New York, like 2017, started YouTube 2013, but in the city 2017, I was paying my cameraman $50 for a day of shooting, hustling in the cold, interviewing all, like socially anxious to go up to people and do these videos, editing in the car, my laptop.
01:14:00.560That's what this feels like right now.
01:14:03.880Obviously, I'm in a much different spot, but that's, I'm grateful for that position because I've never been in a position.
01:14:13.000I've never had the ability to be complacent ever because so much has been taken away from me.
01:14:18.360And it wasn't fair, but I am grateful for that, that I never got to be comfortable because whenever I get comfortable, that's when I get lazy and that's when everything falls apart.
01:14:30.180Not having a safety net and being, you know, constantly on the edge, that's where I get my edge.
03:20:29.320i know i mean that's that's that's real commitment right there
03:20:32.140i don't know dude i'm not sure what the upside of that is
03:20:36.440maybe like maybe at some point like in the 70s stevie wonder could just like walk into like a woman's like locker room or something and be like come on i'm
03:20:46.680i don't know your guess is as good as mine
03:20:49.280maybe it's for for entertainment or i'll do a deep dive up there after i finish the charlie kirk schizo world which i don't know if you're lumped in there
03:20:58.380i mean we we gotta we got a lot of conspiracy theories to to figure out
03:21:02.680i'm a i'm i'm conspiracy adjacent for sure i don't know i don't know how deep i am in them
03:21:09.560but i'm some people are mad at me because i'm friends with people who are conspiracy theorists i don't i don't know anymore
03:21:15.020yeah they were i saw someone was mad at you because they said that i i hate white americans
03:21:19.080and you're like i thought that's that's why i signed up to do this show
03:21:22.040no no i said i thought you were a brown white supremacist
03:21:27.180that's what i found interesting about you if you're just if you're just a brown guy who hates
03:21:31.340white americans that's ordinary but a brown white supremacist is like okay we gotta talk
03:21:36.000unfortunately not i don't know what anyone means
03:21:39.060yeah unfortunately i'm not i don't know how people got the idea that i hate white americans
03:21:43.580but you know there's a lot of victim mentality everywhere i want to see what that guy thinks
03:21:48.620why does he think i hate white people i don't understand listen man i don't know i don't understand
03:21:54.040any of it anymore i think it's funny that uh i like even when i say i go you know he says you hate
03:21:59.780white americans and then i go no i was under the impression he's a white supremacist
03:22:03.480and i just love that like the the culture that we're in now is that you have to go no i don't
03:22:10.420hate white americans like that's like that's a worse label than white supremacist is just it's
03:22:16.260so flipped on its head from what it was when i was young i don't know it's just it's interesting to me
03:22:20.660i think x is responsible for all that it's like the that website is responsible for making everybody
03:22:26.640have to somewhat align with white identity and also the source of all the grok ai undressing slop like
03:22:33.160this on the same have you seen this where now you if you want a woman to be undressed you could
03:22:37.860tell grok to put her feet up in the air and put her in a bikini it's so weird dude i i swear only i
03:22:44.980mean maybe over the last 48 hours like i've just this has just made it to me where i see on my you
03:22:51.160know whatever the algorithm shows me people going hey grok put me in this or hey grok put her in this
03:22:58.780and uh i don't know you know i don't have any like profound thought on it but i don't think it's
03:23:05.060good what are we doing what do you even like i don't know do you ever like isn't there something
03:23:11.040to you and i don't know you're you're younger than me i'm always interested in like the younger
03:23:14.940guy's perspective on this but like if you saw like even like if there's a picture of like a hot chick
03:23:20.700in a bikini or something like that and you're like oh that's like a you know just as a dude you're
03:23:24.840like that's an attractive picture if you found out it's ai doesn't it immediately ruin it like
03:23:30.820it's like oh that's not real like it's not real that's oh that's awful no it feels gross it feels
03:23:36.760wrong like you're it feels like her like you're in a relationship with a robot i stay away from that
03:23:42.620i don't understand why people find that appealing but you know i don't understand a lot of things
03:23:47.980anymore yeah yeah me too i feel the same way i saw you were just on theo von
03:23:54.600that was that seemed to be i saw you were you were calling out uh how the the epstein that whole
03:24:01.780debate that that pretty much ruined his legacy i don't want to misquote what you're saying
03:24:05.900but what do you what do you think i'll start with this do you think that have you seen dan
03:24:10.320bongino he was one of the he was kind of like us you know he was probably had a podcast similar to
03:24:16.060yours he was calling saying that epstein didn't kill himself and then he joined the fbi we get the
03:24:20.820documents they're all covered in black redacted markers and then he comes back to podcasting
03:24:25.600and he seems to have forgotten what he built his podcast on well yeah i talked about this on my show
03:24:32.860a little bit today but the thing that's the craziest to me right so i i kind of figured after
03:24:39.840dan bongino you know clearly like sold out or whatever that means or got compromised or got
03:24:46.560threatened or you know whatever that whatever it is that happened but i kind of thought like well
03:24:52.640the next logical progression is that okay he'll go get some cushy job you know on the board of
03:24:59.580directors at a weapons company or something you know what i mean like or something at a bank or
03:25:04.000something like that like they always take care of their own so you do right by them they'll make
03:25:07.680sure you're worth a hundred million dollars in in 10 years but i could not have imagined that they
03:25:13.500because obviously look the guy's still working for the regime so obviously i just couldn't have
03:25:18.500imagined that their their angle would have been no we got to send him back out into the podcast space
03:25:25.340and in a way you could kind of see where from their perspective it makes sense right because he had one
03:25:30.200of the biggest shows like he was he was one of the top guys in conservative right-wing media and so
03:25:37.720they're like dude we're getting killed out there we got to send bongino back out because he's more
03:25:41.820useful to us you know like it would make sense kind of on a surface level to go he's more useful
03:25:46.960to us being one of the number one guys because all the number one guys now are like candace and
03:25:51.320tucker and fuentes and you people who are not well yeah maybe sure i don't like to put myself there
03:25:56.480but yeah maybe i don't know but like all these guys are like killing us so let me send you back
03:26:01.000out there to go be but then i see him posting like and it's real vague he hasn't been specific yet but
03:26:07.780he's he's going after the black pillars and uh and and then he was he he did specifically call out
03:26:14.160matt gates or whatever they had their back and forth but i'm just kind of like blown away like
03:26:18.380wait you really think you can walk back here after what you just did and you're gonna be the one who
03:26:25.420corrals all of us to like oh yeah you're right well we're way out of line dude i mean it's so bad for
03:26:31.780him right now he's on record saying i've seen the files jeffrey epstein killed himself like look you
03:26:40.000in the eyes promise that and then like three weeks later the administration turned around and said
03:26:45.100there's no such thing as the files and then they said if the files come out that'll destroy the
03:26:50.380political order and then they caved and voted for the files to come out so now the files have been
03:26:56.220you know declassified where's that proof you were talking about dan you said you've seen it and he
03:27:03.060killed himself so when do the rest of us get to see it and how he thinks he's going to be able to
03:27:08.180come back into this world and not deal with that question is crazy to me but it's not going to work
03:27:14.420i'll tell you that i've never seen it so obvious where they'll send or they'll take in a fed and then
03:27:19.280send him right back and just bring him to the i kind of feel bad for him i've never felt bad for
03:27:23.680a federal agent like that but how do you do that he was going he had 150 000 live rumble viewers
03:27:29.400you know spitting out you know normal trump propaganda on rumble he was the face of the
03:27:33.900website then he goes he gets this big government job and you're right they don't really set him up
03:27:38.340they just say you need to imagine the imagine that meeting where he's told that he needs to go like
03:27:44.320fuck man like like how do you set up a show what do you talk about who are the guests what are the
03:27:50.720mental gymnastics you need to go through poor guy well but also just because like you know the
03:27:57.560whole like you know i was saying this when i was on theo's podcast but then as i was thinking about
03:28:02.980it afterward it's like what i said on theo's podcast was that look the whole kind of like the the center
03:28:08.280nucleus the core energy of the trump political movement was always drain the swamp it was like
03:28:14.740hey there's these fucking criminals in dc and they're screwing over all the rest of us and they get
03:28:19.380away with it every time they've done all these awful things like lied us into wars and destroyed the
03:28:24.940economy and framed you know presidents for treason and all this stuff and none of them are ever held
03:28:31.000accountable but like in a way if you think about it even extending that right that's not just the
03:28:37.640energy source of the the trump presidential campaigns that's the energy source of all of us
03:28:45.800like literally all of us like you and me and everyone like everyone who's who's got like a big
03:28:52.860platform today talking about the government it's like yeah we're all talking about what criminals they
03:28:58.660all are and how and dan bongino was the same thing that was the that was the center of the power source
03:29:03.400of his show it was always about like you know russiagate or epstein or whatever joe biden is senile or
03:29:12.680if you remember he went real hard in on what the hell happened to donald trump when he got shot in
03:29:18.480pennsylvania that's pretty shady they got this kid who he was allowed to be up on the route he was the
03:29:24.020one who was saying hey i'm a secret service officer if you remember he was a fed before he was a podcaster
03:29:29.580and then went back to being a fed but he uh you know that was his energy source too how's he gonna have
03:29:36.880that how's he gonna try to maintain that now coming out of just this administration a full year and
03:29:44.620then covering up all the biggest things and not getting us one head like not you know even when
03:29:49.880like uh they when they tried to indict comey and uh bolton it was kind of off like they didn't really
03:29:56.760indict him for the major crimes but they bungled the comey one and he got off and bolton is like an
03:30:03.480unrelated you know classified document case it's like you didn't get us one head of any of the
03:30:09.780criminals in dc nothing and then not only didn't get us one but then lied through your teeth and told
03:30:15.900us that oh there's nothing to see here i i don't know man you know making predictions is tough but
03:30:22.400after where everything's been the last two years like come on like sneak don't you agree this isn't
03:30:27.020gonna work dude this is gonna have no effect on the on the culture what's surprising me the most is
03:30:33.180how many people have switched after venezuela to now support the system that we are all fighting
03:30:37.600against right like you spelled it out the whole point of podcasting is to criticize the powers that
03:30:43.160be and try to call out corruption try to to fix this and so many people are now like this is what it is
03:30:48.060i've never seen so many people submit to the idea that might is right and also in the past two years
03:30:54.240especially recently since uh charlie kirk's assassination i'm now more apprehensive like how many people are
03:31:00.860like how many people are making backroom deals how many people can we trust it's like i don't know
03:31:05.600if you've spoken about this i'm not trying to push too many buttons but like erica kirk for example i
03:31:09.880think the vast majority of people have seen how ridiculous it is that she's doing wwe entrances
03:31:14.820with fireworks everywhere you've seen the memes where they're saying that she's britney spears showing
03:31:18.820up on the stage like everybody grieves differently the memes and the memes are so good yeah and she's
03:31:22.940like twerking next to nikki minaj at turning point usa but then if you look deeper it's like wait her
03:31:28.340father was a research director for raytheon who was contracting missiles for israel and she was a
03:31:34.480beauty pageant girl for trump and she was five years older and she met charlie kirk in israel or saw him
03:31:39.540there for the first time as a way is she a fed so what can we trust charlie kirk can we how much of
03:31:44.380this is all part of a bigger operation how many talking heads are really feds talking feds
03:31:51.360well yeah i mean look there's a lot you just threw at me there and i i do get your point and i didn't
03:31:57.720know about them meeting in israel that's the first i'm i'm hearing of that there's many speeches it's
03:32:02.560kind of shady how the story changes but there's several speeches where she said she first spotted
03:32:06.900him on a pilgrimage and met and saw charlie kirk in israel yeah well i i will say um number one i did
03:32:14.960look it's a it's such a weird thing because like even like the last time we talked was like real i think
03:32:19.620real uh shortly after charlie got killed right and i was yeah and like you know again like i like i
03:32:27.720told you then i wasn't like close friends with charlie kirk but like i knew him and we texted and we did
03:32:32.520shows together a few times and so it's like a weird feeling almost where you're like at first i'm like
03:32:37.960well look this was kind of like my friend not a close friend but like my friend's widow so i could
03:32:43.460never criticize her because but then like after a while it's like wait wait you're running turning point
03:32:49.040now you're doing media appearances now you're you're telling us we have to trust the justice
03:32:54.820department now now you're like kind of stepping into a lane where you don't get to be above
03:33:00.680criticism and the more and more you do that the more it's just like kind of comfortable to go hey
03:33:06.060what is going on here this is first of all look the way they've handled the whole thing has been the
03:33:10.900most tasteless shit i've ever seen in my life it's just disgusting like it i'm sorry like and i know
03:33:16.300i try my best to be like charitable and to go like hey you know i'm like a northeastern jew and
03:33:26.180most of my experience is kind of with like new york people and you know i mean like even like like
03:33:33.220my wife is catholic but she's like a new jersey catholic you know it's it's evangelicals in the
03:33:39.360middle of the country have a different culture than some of us have but you watch like a funeral
03:33:44.780service and you have you decide like days after this guy got killed to like you're gonna have a
03:33:51.580mini republican national convention with pyrotex and like all this this is weird dude this is like
03:33:57.560in really it's not even in bad taste it's fucking tasteless it's and and then just so much of the
03:34:04.020stuff since then and then i've just seen she's got caught lying like even even just kind of trivial
03:34:10.120not that important lies but like did you see the thing where like she said um that she didn't date
03:34:16.100for five years before charlie kirk and she doesn't drink and and then there's like no you're like all
03:34:21.500over the internet drinking and dating like so okay but like i don't know what are you doing so you're
03:34:27.160kind of a fake you're kind of you're kind of like not really the christian that you're trying and then
03:34:32.220just the clear obvious overacting in every performance that she's giving it's very very
03:34:39.820strange behavior and i don't know what to make of it but it's it is weird and and yeah at a certain
03:34:45.300point you're like yeah i'm comfortable calling that out now the thing you said i just want to
03:34:50.460respond because the thing you said about venezuela which uh it's probably like the more important thing
03:34:55.540right now is and i don't know i don't know who's you know who's a fed or who's not a fed or anything
03:35:02.600like that but there is i look i've just i'm 42 and i've been basically like in anti-war uh you know
03:35:11.860dissident for 20 years and i've just seen this happen over and over again where it's like no matter
03:35:18.620how much progress you think right wingers are making one thing explodes and it hits like a factory
03:35:26.720reset button and they're george w 2003 retarded all over again like i just it just it happens all
03:35:34.840the time and i will say i'm a little disheartened that there were some people who i thought would be
03:35:42.580immune to that like would be inoculated against that who i see going right in on on the same thing
03:35:48.620so that to me is a little disappointing especially people of your age like so you got to see a lot
03:35:55.020of the stuff i grew up in the post 9 11 hysteria i grew up with the war on terror iraq war this is
03:36:00.160almost identical right you would think that you've had you know more experience with it so you could
03:36:05.880probably rightfully say that this is the same exact playbook this is the weapons of mass destruction
03:36:09.800this is the regime change that's justified and it's it's the patriotic feeling and everybody
03:36:15.900becomes nationalist because we bomb a brown country is this justified or is this another example of
03:36:24.320america flexing its muscles and coming off like the world's police and then biting itself in the ass when
03:36:30.080they realize you have to fund so you have to fund this country non-stop with the spend millions of
03:36:35.260tax dollars or if not billions to maintain this regime change well you know i i hear a lot what the
03:36:42.000hawks what what the hawks are saying and not just the hawks but like i don't know what everybody who's
03:36:47.040supporting this shit isn't it one of the things that's amazing right they'll point out that this
03:36:51.960is not the same as iraq or libya or afghanistan because that was in the middle east or north africa
03:36:56.880and those were muslim countries and this is in south america and it's a christian country and it's a
03:37:01.740different tradition and there's different culture and like okay fair enough it's there this is a
03:37:06.700different region and a different religion and a different culture and a different race and like
03:37:11.480there are different factors but it's kind of hard to avoid the obvious comparisons where like
03:37:18.200number one just look at i mean i know you i i saw you tweeting a lot of great stuff about this nico but
03:37:25.460like you look at them all hoisting the mission accomplished banner up right away when like nothing's
03:37:31.680happened it's so bizarre like they okay so we essentially right but um by the way i saw some
03:37:38.600people gave me shit so i i retweeted one of the tweets you tweeted and then people are going oh look
03:37:43.180what dave said he because and the thing they were picking on that you said was that you went 80 innocent
03:37:48.640people were killed and like okay so what they they were saying was like well we don't know the the
03:37:54.220ratio of like soldiers to civilians and some of them were cubans who were guarding you know the
03:38:01.140president and like okay so fine even if they want to nitpick about you saying 80 innocents at the
03:38:05.520same time what does an innocent exactly mean because like if you're if you're in the military right
03:38:12.300if if you're in the u.s military and you invaded iraq okay i don't consider you an innocent anymore
03:38:19.300you're a you're a militant in a conflict you know not saying it's not tragic when you die it's
03:38:25.080horrible you might have a family and it's horrible but like you you are in a group of armed men
03:38:31.060who stormed into another country and like it's different but like if you were like a military
03:38:36.520guy who was just stationed at a base in georgia united states not eastern europe in within america
03:38:44.860and someone killed you you'd be like whoa like that and like so even if they're saying or they
03:38:49.280were militants or they were like by the way dan bongino he was a secret service agent right is he just
03:38:55.020fair game now is he not an innocent if he was just guarding the president in the united states of
03:39:00.120america and let's by the way he guarded bill clinton he wasn't guarding republicans he was
03:39:04.480and and so for like for example a dan bongino who was guarding joe biden let's say right a democrat who
03:39:11.820according to every right winger was illegitimately like stole the election was not the legitimate
03:39:18.220president but i think still you would be like oh if someone just murdered a secret service agent
03:39:23.040you'd go oh man that guy's got a wife and kids and you know like it's it's wrong and so anyway
03:39:28.640my point is just that when people like i see people all all over the place they'll say things
03:39:36.220like oh dave you know you're against the forever wars but this war lasted 90 hours and you're like
03:39:42.900yeah so did iraq in the first 90 hours you know like okay look we just we so far what we've done
03:39:52.400is we've killed a bunch of people killed a bunch of um what they claim were drug boats they've never
03:39:58.820demonstrated any evidence that they were they just say it and they killed a bunch of people there they
03:40:03.440killed a bunch of people on this thing they say a lot of them were guarding the president or whatever
03:40:08.500but then i see all these people on twitter and they're like um they're like dude we just had the
03:40:14.020easiest regime change ever and we got 17 trillion dollars in oil for it and you're like we didn't get
03:40:19.480any of that like like just factually speaking none of that's happened we took out one leader
03:40:24.440the regime is still in place that we haven't gotten any oil we haven't gotten one dollar in oil what the
03:40:30.460are you talking about and donald trump is claiming that we run the place now and we're going to
03:40:36.060transition into the new regime and we're going to pick who the leaders are but in order to do that
03:40:41.120we need a full military occupation and so like again like just the the spiking of the football and all
03:40:47.740this stuff it it is very reminiscent of iraq and afghanistan and libya where they all just like
03:40:53.940said yeah it's it's working out great and it wasn't a catastrophe within a week in any of those places
03:41:00.420you know like it took a little bit of time so hopefully this doesn't turn into that but you know
03:41:06.760to your point and the reason why i i love that you posted that and why i reposted it is that it does
03:41:14.720seem like a lot of people who were really appalled when israel was killing christians
03:41:21.740um all of a sudden it's like what that's that's not a red line anymore or or they go into this like
03:41:29.040like you you said uh might makes right like this thing that really is disturbing to me where where
03:41:34.760people will say well you know if it's in our interest you know the problem with those wars was
03:41:40.440that they weren't in our interest they were in israel's interest which by the way we could you
03:41:44.180could even get into whether that was really in israel's interest or israel's ruling elite's
03:41:48.380interest like are any of these things ever in the people's interest or are they always just in the
03:41:52.640rulers interest but regardless of that look that that certainly is true that that was one of the
03:41:57.820problems with the terror wars is that they weren't in our interest but i don't know is that the only
03:42:02.580problem like are you saying that like if we could go like hypothetically speaking if we could go to
03:42:08.780latin america somewhere and just like slaughter you know a few hundred thousand people but it would be
03:42:16.260in our interest it would it would make us all a little bit wealthier are you saying you're okay with
03:42:21.620that like because because if you're just saying that like might makes right first of all then israel's
03:42:27.100completely justified in what they're doing actually if might makes right then shut the fuck up bitch
03:42:32.560because israel's just running your shit and stop complaining oh it's so unfair that they control our
03:42:38.320government might makes right motherfucker and they're beating you with that shit so it's so weird to see
03:42:43.000the people who are out of power you know saying might makes right but also number two and i'm sorry if
03:42:49.180this you know i understand like you know i know the young audience and all this and i understand that i'm
03:42:55.200jewish and so me saying this maybe won't land the right way but if you're really gonna say might
03:43:00.280makes right we could just go kill people and if we like let's say let's say this does work out in
03:43:06.000america's favor there's no blowback there's no catastrophe but we all get 20 cents a gallon cheaper
03:43:13.480gas or something like that and you're saying we could just kill people to make that happen that's no
03:43:18.300problem like okay but don't ever call yourself a christian again don't ever fucking tell me you're a
03:43:23.800christian oh don't ever tell me you're a muslim or a jew or any of that shit you're a goddamn devil
03:43:28.320worshiper dude like come on like if you're gonna tell me that you just support a policy completely
03:43:33.920removed from morality at all that's not consistent with any religion that's ever existed definitely not
03:43:40.220christianity and i do not like as a non-christian i don't like to be like i'm telling you when you're
03:43:45.240not really a christian but i'm sorry this one is just so obvious like dude you're gonna support you
03:43:50.760publicly support eh if you gotta murder some people so i'm a little bit wealthier even though
03:43:56.460sneeko venezuelans the the poverty rate is like 90 percent like what do you think you're poor they're
03:44:03.740poorer than you could ever imagine being poor but if you get a little bit wealthier off this it's okay
03:44:09.400to murder people uh kill you know have mothers grieving over their dead babies or whatever any of
03:44:15.620these wars always require like come on man after all the talk last year about how america's a
03:44:21.900christian nation america's a christian nation declared especially all the propaganda from the
03:44:26.180same people who are now adopting neocon perspectives they were so mad about the islamic invasion the
03:44:31.740islamic invasion of america alex jones saying it's not stop and then to declare america's a christian
03:44:37.060nation it has to be the same people then support murdering kidnapping and regime change stealing oil
03:44:44.260just because it benefits us off of no basis of morality it's never been abandoned like that
03:44:49.940before i think the playbook with iraq and other it's like we need to spread democracy oh these are
03:44:54.180corrupt places these are evil dictators they don't live the right way they're mistreating people at
03:44:59.080least there was some sort of justification this is the first time that i've seen them completely
03:45:03.240abandon any sort of moral justification and the press conference trump is just like yeah we just want
03:45:08.620the oil the indictment was all for that was so that they could go in and they and they could
03:45:13.020arrest him and try him in new york right that 25 patient diamond did not list fentanyl it said
03:45:18.000cocaine and machine guns cocaine and machine guns this is why you need to invade another country and
03:45:23.560kidnap the president then anybody you could take people in mexico you could take people haiti cuba
03:45:28.260anybody is guilty of this now this is never they've never abandoned moral justification and if now you
03:45:34.680abandon this and say that we're just doing this for the benefit of ourselves without any regard for
03:45:39.740other human life then you can no longer keep declaring and insisting that america's a christian
03:45:45.420nation because there's nothing christian about that yeah 100 man and and you know like i understand
03:45:53.620in a way like i understand the impulse to always like be reactionary against the thing you hate and
03:46:00.580we're all guilty of that to some degree you know like we all like i i don't know it's it's you know i i
03:46:06.560grew up like under the george w you know my coming of age like when i was like 18 to whatever 24 was
03:46:14.680george w bush and i you know like was became huge anti-war because of that you know you you react
03:46:22.420against the thing that you're opposed to and a lot of times you have good reason to be opposed to that
03:46:27.040thing and so i guess there's been so many wars where they're like moralizing even though it's bullshit
03:46:33.200like we both know like they didn't really go into iraq to bring democracy they went into iraq because
03:46:38.820the clean break strategy on behalf of israel you know like it's like so they're moralizing and faking
03:46:43.900and so maybe in a way there's something refreshing to to like some right-wingers about just going no
03:46:49.500we're not pretending we're doing that any of that we're going in to get this but then at the same time
03:46:54.560you're like i don't know dude didn't you just let them now become you let them make you become
03:47:00.560everything evil just because they were wrong about their you know their whole justification and i just
03:47:07.580don't you know to me it's also so like you know with the venezuela thing at least at the very least
03:47:13.080you know guys they've been lying to you about all the justifications for it it's all so ridiculous
03:47:19.440the idea that this is about drugs everyone knows that venezuela accounts for a tiny fraction of the
03:47:25.460drugs that come into this country and none of the fentanyl statistically speaking like none of the
03:47:30.700fentanyl coming in is from venezuela and if you're talking about you know all right i mean i also think
03:47:39.320right-wingers you know get weird about drugs in a way that's not good and and like in the older
03:47:46.360generation i think a lot of them were just being phony in the younger generation i actually kind
03:47:51.400of worry that i think not that it's good to be doing drugs or anything like that but i do worry
03:47:56.920that it's like a lot of the right-wingers today are just like inside on their phones and not actually
03:48:01.620interacting with other people drugs aren't good a lot of people abuse them i would highly advise
03:48:08.420anyone to stay away from them but the idea that like even if some of those boats were drug dealers
03:48:15.880and even if by the way they weren't coming directly to america i think the they would say the type of
03:48:20.520boats they had had to refuel like 25 times before they could come to america but if even if you want
03:48:25.220to argue they were coming to some port that was going to some port that was going to some port that
03:48:29.540was going to end up in america like since when did we just accept that you can be murdered on the spot
03:48:34.920for allegedly being a drug dealer like dude i don't know man i mean without it there's no pictures of
03:48:41.300the farms they said that he had these giant cocaine farms we haven't seen photos and the fentanyl that
03:48:45.880all comes from china that that's what's killing everybody doing a couple bumps of cocaine from
03:48:50.080venezuelan drugs that's not causing the drug crisis cycle the people bending over even where the
03:48:54.600cocaine's coming from the cocaine's coming from colombia the fentanyl is coming from mexico with
03:48:59.240precursors from china the cocaine's coming from colombia the nothing is coming from venezuela like
03:49:05.100three percent of the cocaine or something like that is coming from venezuela so this is not about
03:49:10.160that they're just lying to you how dumb do they think you are that you would even fall for this
03:49:15.100you know and like but even that look secure the border and after that drug like drug od not fentanyl
03:49:27.160is a little bit different but like cocaine like yeah probably people shouldn't do cocaine it's not good
03:49:34.080for you but like come on dude the idea that we're gonna act like oh my god we gotta murder cocaine
03:49:40.080dealers is like just it's ridiculous and corny you must have been uh pretty fun to hang out with in
03:49:45.520your 20s i didn't i didn't know that you were i was a i was a fun guy i was a fun guy at one point
03:49:50.580now i'm a boring dad now but uh no no i mean listen i i was like i was a party guy for many years and i'm
03:49:59.380not anymore and i'm like a real square now like i'm just a husband and a dad and i think this life is
03:50:05.080much better i'm much happier here than i was there but at the same time you can still have a little
03:50:09.720bit of nuance and go like i'm not saying someone who sells cocaine is just like oh they're not a
03:50:13.660human being anymore like there's no moral question to just kill them because they do that and look the
03:50:20.440bottom line here the real bottom line is that there's um it's not like this type of like brutalism
03:50:30.500or the type of like um i don't even know what to call it just larping just like just like really
03:50:36.160being really weak and then getting tough because well look all right i don't mean to pick on your
03:50:42.300friend here but i did use this as as an example uh on my show but your buddy there who i don't know
03:50:47.760anything about but who i saw the guy who got slapped and then came up that's not my friend that
03:50:52.520i was i literally met him okay that was our first interaction was that which is okay yeah
03:50:57.540all i know all i know about him is that nothing against the guy but that that video that was
03:51:02.500literally the the interaction was that night okay so fair enough so i don't know anything about this
03:51:08.060other than the video i've seen but i just i just thought that was such an amazing moment and i don't
03:51:12.500even mean to pick on that guy like i don't know anything about him but there was something just about
03:51:16.100watching him sitting there and he's like uh i don't know there was only like eight people or
03:51:21.200something at least in the video that i saw and he's like beta beta and then this short fat jewish
03:51:27.900guy just slaps the shit out of him and he goes oh okay and then he walks away and he walks up to
03:51:34.240you and nick and he goes oh dude i just got punched in the face you're like no you didn't dude i saw it
03:51:40.360it was on camera you did not get punched you got slapped in the face and like look all i'm saying is
03:51:45.560like i feel like that's been right-wing twitter for the last year it's like this tough guy thing
03:51:50.620fuck yeah oh but you know people will be like uh uh responding to me and they're like oh dave you're
03:51:55.060such a pussy you don't even you won't even support the war or something like i don't wait listen dude
03:52:00.300neither of us are fighting neither of us are in the war i'm opposing it you're for it there there's no
03:52:07.900more courage you know being demonstrated by you than me and there's this weird thing where like
03:52:13.360people do they like kind of get off on this like yeah we're fucking tough we'll go in there you
03:52:18.680gotta you gotta fall in line with us and you're like okay let me tell you something that is not
03:52:24.480right wing that is not tough that is infantile that shit the shit where like you sit behind a
03:52:33.000goddamn computer and feel like you're a real tough guy it's like as you know i'm sure in like your
03:52:37.900replies nico it's like some random guy like saying fighting words to you through an anonymous account
03:52:43.680on twitter every day like dude no you know no i don't know i don't even understand what are people
03:52:49.360thinking when they send that do you think i go oh shit here's a real tough guy who might fight the
03:52:55.000point is this right no being a conservative like just by the definition of being conservative or being
03:53:01.800right wing which are different things that have some overlap but like right wing certainly is like a
03:53:07.200respect for tradition and for um tranquility and for sustainability right there we right now we got a
03:53:18.640really risky hot war in europe going on the war in europe is is a very dangerous situation there have
03:53:28.360been hundreds of thousands if not into the millions of people who have died in this conflict and the
03:53:33.720conflict is a proxy war between the entire western world and the biggest nuclear arsenal country in
03:53:40.660the history of the world that's that's going on right now donald trump was trying to solve that and
03:53:45.040has been unable to thus far the war is still raging on what wise leader in that predicament would
03:53:52.620go you know what we should do let's start um flirting with unnecessary wars of choice and aggression
03:54:00.660let's start bombing aram and yemen and uh venezuela and all these countries and talk about how we're
03:54:08.360going to run this we're going to do that if they kill their protesters we're going to bomb them again
03:54:12.340if they did like this is reckless beyond belief there's nothing right wing or conservative about
03:54:19.560any of it and there's certainly nothing tough people have mistaken they think that right wing now
03:54:25.020is so i think a lot of people felt really cool they saw the blackhawks and they saw bombs and
03:54:30.020they're like fuck yeah america the perfect example is matt walsh who you know he's been calling me
03:54:35.180uh every day saying that i'm brown i'm haitian i'm low iq i'm like okay then let's get in a
03:54:40.160conversation then let's talk about it and he refuses to but he'll tweet something like we're your boss
03:54:45.660now get in line we own you it's like dude you literally are yeah first off you your boss is ben
03:54:53.220shapiro you're not in charge of venezuela guy you're a podcaster all this tough talk that we're
03:54:58.860going to control and then two i see it non-stop now where people are like whoa sneaker went liberal
03:55:03.700when when did sneaker become a commie since when is it liberal to be anti-war everybody was on the
03:55:09.560same page about this before everybody was aware that this was unfair and it was the the right wing
03:55:14.640conservative position to be anti-war because violence is against unnecessary violence is against
03:55:19.960conservative values so when you say that this doesn't make sense and we shouldn't be getting
03:55:24.500involved in conflicts like when did sneaker become a soy boy when is he uh when did he become a libtard
03:55:30.240they redefined what it meant to be left and right so now out of the blue just like this being pro-war
03:55:37.100is this right wing tough guy point of view and i think it's because there's a lack of masculinity or
03:55:43.900aggression in their own life so they live vicariously through the army and videos they see
03:55:47.640of ice arrest on twitter which is why it's so effective for the white house to make like
03:55:52.100a really sick edit of guys in helmets kicking illegals out they're like yeah that's me i'm part
03:55:58.120of the team and if you disagree you're just a leftist biden supporter kamala and they think it's
03:56:04.800this us versus them that they can't even describe i i see that every day where where people are
03:56:10.120are saying what did sneaker switch up it's like wait no i was always anti-war you changed because you
03:56:17.040think that right wing is murder for some reason now or it's some weird thing where they go well
03:56:22.940this is in our hemisphere so this is to our advantage or yeah the monroe doctrine none of them
03:56:28.760know what the monroe doctrine is like dude it's so funny to me too because like people have no idea
03:56:35.440about the history of this shit but if you're gonna sit here and say like what the pro-war stance is
03:56:42.560makes you or that's right wing and opposing like uh military adventurism makes you left wing
03:56:50.220like do you know anything do you know anything like i mean dude the entire all of the founders
03:56:56.800of this country okay so like i don't know what it means to be a conservative in america but i assume
03:57:02.900that the founders of the country would be part of what you're trying to conserve they were unanimous
03:57:08.660on war and unanimous that the president shouldn't be able to ever declare war that only the congress
03:57:14.640should be able to declare war because there has to be like some type of constraint on the the head
03:57:20.340of state before he can just launch because otherwise he has the powers of a king and they have all types
03:57:24.860like beautiful quotes and i mean if you just look through like thomas jefferson and um uh john i think
03:57:31.280it was john quincy adams who had that quote where he was like if we uh go around the world looking for
03:57:36.600monsters to destroy we will find them everywhere and become the dickatris of the world but lose our
03:57:41.760own soul in the process like these beautiful quotes that totally came true you know about like how you
03:57:47.380yeah if you wanted to if you go like oh they're a real terrible regime in our hemisphere well like
03:57:53.560every regime is a terrible regime in our hemisphere and i don't know yeah they're a particularly bad one
03:57:59.180but there's tons of them and around the world we could go fighting wars forever dude we are
03:58:05.360approaching and when i say approaching i think we're months away from 40 trillion dollars in debt
03:58:12.820this country is falling apart man we have the idea that we would we would be embarking on wars
03:58:20.600that we don't have to you know there's such a thing as a war of necessity like a war where you have
03:58:27.120no choice you know the the an army invades your country you have no choice you got to fight back or
03:58:33.160be subjugated but these are all wars of choice dude we didn't have to do this in venezuela we don't
03:58:38.820have to be bombing around no one even seriously believes if we didn't do this some catastrophe
03:58:45.000would happen it's just that you know interests want this and i i really it blew my mind seeing
03:58:53.100everybody it's like i was looking for people that were on the same page about this i felt like
03:58:56.800you know i felt like a conspiracy theorist i felt like uh waking up at a hospital just like seeing
03:59:03.220everybody fold and everybody and switch over to the side after being anti-war for so long and you
03:59:09.560brought up a good point they're saying the monroe doctrine the western hemisphere is ours but regime
03:59:13.580change in the western hemisphere we've seen the same play it doesn't it hasn't worked haiti is a
03:59:18.580great example we we tried to put regime change in haiti and then it's it's worse off than it was
03:59:23.460before these people it's still poor people with american connections assassinated joel del mal as
03:59:29.360the president and it's still and then trump will say this is a shithole country while not talking
03:59:34.460about any of the responsibility that america has with regime change in the western hemisphere so even
03:59:40.040if you're going to say it's different from the middle eastern conflicts when has it worked in the west
03:59:44.560when is that when has there been a war of necessity in the west when has regime change been a pressing
03:59:49.600matter that we needed to do and the they're saying that it's close to yeah i think it's the debt right
03:59:54.540now is 38 trillion dollars i saw trump posted on true social i think today or yesterday and it also
04:00:00.740coincided with jd vance essentially saying that it wasn't about fentanyl they're they're one they're
04:00:06.240admitting that it has nothing to do with cocaine and that it's really about oil and then trump is now
04:00:10.760flexing and bragging that the interim authorities in venezuela just handed over 30 million barrels of oil
04:00:16.740which is i think is equivalent to three billion dollars which is essentially nothing if you're
04:00:21.320going to compare that to the debt as nothing you look at how much it costs to run the government
04:00:24.780every day in america it's like four billion a day so all this breaking your promise of no new wars to get
04:00:31.160three billion so far this would yeah it was what it was for yeah and and by the way just just to be
04:00:38.540clear the monroe doctrine doesn't say that we get to run all of the western hemisphere or anything like
04:00:45.620that the monroe doctrine says that far away powers shouldn't be like meddling over here and we won't
04:00:53.340be meddling over there and far away powers like it's not like it says like hey if you have some oil we
04:00:58.420want and you're in south america we own you or something like that like it's just like kind of a
04:01:05.060ridiculous thing um which we by the way they never bring up the second part of that because we haven't
04:01:10.440been following that we're meddling all around the world but then we say oh if anybody else and and
04:01:16.200and us meddling will be like overthrowing democratically elected governments overthrowing
04:01:21.420other types of governments bombing countries invading countries their meddling will be like you're doing
04:01:27.020you have firms that are doing business with firms in that country and therefore so it's like the whole
04:01:32.520thing is just not has nothing to do with the monroe doctrine and look yeah people can say that um
04:01:39.560you know look i don't know okay so donald trump so far has right he got some type of agreement to make
04:01:49.380a deal we haven't actually seen this go through we don't know that any of this is going to happen
04:01:54.360and as you correctly pointed out even if it did it would be like what is this really make an impact like
04:02:00.840did we just save everybody half a penny on gas or something like that like what what actually what
04:02:06.800actual tangible benefit did we get but by the way we haven't gotten any of that yet and you know
04:02:12.580when donald trump says that the the vice president or who's now the president or whatever who it looks
04:02:20.460like maybe was a collaborator in this whole thing um who he's allowing you know he sidelined the
04:02:26.580opposition and allowed her to step in control and be in charge of the regime now or at least
04:02:31.280he's saying that she was saying she's speaking out of both sides of her mouth she's telling her
04:02:36.440people we will not acquiesce we will not back down maduro is still the president then she's telling
04:02:41.620president trump no no we're going to do a deal first of all who knows you know i i could think of
04:02:46.820like at least a few examples uh one being fidel castro i know when he took over he made all types of
04:02:52.820promises to the to the united states that he was going to do this that and the other once he got
04:02:57.440into power and so they would let allow that to happen and then once he did he said screw you i'm
04:03:02.100taking all your companies and all this stuff so like it's not it's not like just because they say
04:03:06.160they're going to do something doesn't mean we're going to get that um also another good example of
04:03:11.520that is ahmed chalabi who was really a big force in the um the neoconservatives like argument that
04:03:20.200uh toppling saddam hussein would work out really well he was like an iraqi exile who had promised
04:03:25.860them that if they put him in power or put the hashamites in power that they would do all these
04:03:29.980nice things for israel but then he got into power and he went screw you i'm not doing any of that so
04:03:35.820like you don't know what is going to happen here and then the real look the real point here is that
04:03:41.440when you if you topple a regime which we haven't even toppled the regime here but if you wish to topple a
04:03:48.420regime the only real way to make sure that you can control what comes next is to militarily occupy
04:03:57.560the country and by the way we've seen over the years that even doing that doesn't mean you can
04:04:03.200guarantee what comes next you could still lose you know like you you could still even it's not like
04:04:08.500the taliban perfect even when we well when we well look obviously afghanistan is a different country
04:04:14.160than venezuela but i'm just making the point that when when we occupied the country we overthrew the
04:04:19.460taliban and installed our own government but even after that the taliban still controlled large portions
04:04:25.640of the country and by the end of the war the taliban controlled most of the country and then when we
04:04:30.200left they controlled the whole goddamn thing so it's not like even if we were there we couldn't
04:04:36.100necessarily determine who the next regime is going to be but not being there it's a joke you can't just
04:04:43.020sit here and say we'll do this or we'll kidnap you again come on nobody no serious person actually
04:04:50.240believes you can control a nation that way and if you do want to fucking put boots on the ground and
04:04:57.520send troops in there like like where people were going we just got 17 trillion dollars in oil well if
04:05:03.700you actually wanted to get all 17 trillion dollars out there you're gonna need like maybe a force of
04:05:09.780250 000 soldiers on the ground and by the way do you think venezuelans whether the government stands
04:05:16.020or falls and it becomes an insurgency you think they're just gonna sit back and take it as you
04:05:20.920come in there and take all of their stuff like you take all of their shit a regime the entire population
04:05:26.880or at least millions and millions of people it's a country of 30 million people at least 10 15 million
04:05:32.140people hate america's guts and they're just all no one's gonna grab a rifle and kill a few of our
04:05:38.800boys how many soldiers are gonna die in this thing if we actually tried to do what trump's saying
04:05:44.240which i don't think we're gonna do but still it's it's ridiculous people are excited because they think
04:05:49.540oh it's one and done great military operation look out the helicopters went in you can't extract all
04:05:55.840this oil without military presence of venezuela it's impossible i saw tim let me just say i'm sorry
04:06:02.200i don't mean to interrupt you i'm sorry i always talk too much but let me just quickly on that because
04:06:07.380i just this is the one thing i have of being like older i dude i remember so vividly i remember after
04:06:14.660the 1991 invasion of iraq but george hw bush invaded iraq didn't topple saddam hussein but we fought a war
04:06:22.740there it was a pretty clean war we we took almost no losses they took some losses but it was quick
04:06:28.700and over and they were all bragging look how easy it is look how easy it is that we can do this and
04:06:33.800they were they were celebrating they had a bob hope special like they were doing all the shit like just
04:06:37.400celebrating it was oh this is such a great and then we had to bomb iraq for 30 more years after that
04:06:43.000like 30 more years after that before we were done with iraq and i remember the war in serbia and i
04:06:49.420remember bill clinton celebrating hey we did it we stopped a genocide by the way genocide was
04:06:54.740fake was never happened or was gonna happen and then they went back in the next year in 2000 and
04:07:00.620had a color-coded revolution and overthrew milosevich and he got tried and they were like
04:07:04.920look no problems you know we can encroach nato all the way up there no problem they celebrated as
04:07:10.160they did it and now look at the war in ukraine all a result of all that stuff you know and so like
04:07:15.400you you could sit here it's even as they're sitting there saying this this is the big thing
04:07:18.860everyone tries to give me shit over is that dave got the 12-day war wrong he was warning it could be
04:07:24.480a catastrophe but then it didn't end up being a catastrophe and you're like give it time you know
04:07:29.840like i don't know i mean i i was i never said it was guaranteed to be a catastrophe i was warning
04:07:36.020there's a possibility and even now they're still netanyahu and trump are still talking about bombing
04:07:41.680iran again lindsey graham was just saying that if they kill any other protesters we're gonna go
04:07:47.060bomb them now like they're like all of these things you're like you're just you're walking
04:07:51.780into a field of landmines for no reason that seems like the floodgates are open now they've been waiting
04:07:58.840for a reason to to strike iran and it seems like now is the the perfect opportunity with uh a new
04:08:04.460access to to oil because that was the number one aspect holding it back was the straight of homos
04:08:10.500what iran's access to oil and how they they fund so much of the economy in europe i think within the
04:08:16.500next couple weeks couple months israel's gonna hit iran this is why netanyahu's super excited about it
04:08:21.540they haven't been private about it at all netanyahu's up in arms the rothschild family's up in arms all
04:08:25.900the zionists are are extremely happy that that trump followed suit and did this and to see tim pool and
04:08:32.080so many of the the america first people one a lot of them being supportive of the the war with
04:08:37.860ukraine and russia it's like okay these are white christians killing white christians and you're
04:08:42.080christian nationalists and you're pro-white this is isn't this contributing to the white genocide
04:08:46.580being supportive of this war and then two people like the america first people here like tim pool
04:08:52.860saying oh look everybody we're gonna get all this free oil we're gonna get all this free oil now
04:08:57.460completely trusting of the regime that they've been so critical of they were supportive of trump
04:09:03.000because he said no new wars then he betrays you but you forgot about that immediately and are
04:09:08.900celebrating the fact that you're gonna get all this free money if it if it really boosts the economy
04:09:14.120then then that's great but i i would be i'd be very surprised if if we see any immediate benefits
04:09:21.040yeah yeah it's like it was it went from no new wars to like only good new wars or something like that
04:09:28.400and like what like even the thought that this is gonna boost the economy like i don't even know
04:09:35.300exactly what that means you know obviously there's there's all the zionists argue that it boosts the
04:09:41.360economy to give israel billions of dollars when we make them spend that money with our weapons
04:09:47.140companies here that boosts the economy and creates jobs or something like that you're you're telling me
04:09:52.920the the the u.s federal government the organization that is responsible for transferring wealth in a
04:10:02.340larger number than any organization in history from the working class in the middle class to the ultra
04:10:07.700political connected elite they're going to what make sure that this one transfers to you more efficiently
04:10:14.880like best case scenario out of this you get 20 cents a gallon off you know what i mean like it's
04:10:22.020like the best case scenario and then even that is that worth it is that worth how many people
04:10:26.700is it worth to kill to get that and you know i don't know it's just like the idea that people have
04:10:33.260still bought in that they think all of the people who have been you know the entire federal apparatus
04:10:41.640and this regime that's betrayed you at every turn is really working for you this time i don't know
04:10:49.080you know i remember people like in 2020 uh i was really harsh on on trump in 2020 because you know
04:10:56.340obviously it was like the worst year in modern american history and he was awful the whole time
04:11:02.380so i was really tough but i remember literally watching trump supporters tell me that the only
04:11:08.460reason he's keeping fauci on the job is so that he can expose him and get him arrested you know you
04:11:16.560know it's like people like buy into these theories that you're like wait what well no actually this
04:11:21.180isn't 40 chess this is just exactly what you see in front of you like i don't know did you see that
04:11:26.800jeb bush is praising donald trump did you see you know how marco rubio little marco is the one who's
04:11:34.060led this whole policy yeah guys this isn't trump manipulating everybody else into some brilliant plan
04:11:40.640this is donald trump getting dog walked into what all of them wanted to do already that we were
04:11:46.420supposed to all be against marco rubio went on the news and he said cuba should be afraid he's like i'm
04:11:53.020not going to specify exactly but now seeing the support they got i think the the opportunity for
04:11:58.260them to go into colombia cuba they're seeing they're seeing dollar signs or the motivations are
04:12:04.100are unclear exactly maybe there's several but it's very possible that we we continue this pattern
04:12:10.040i wanted to ask you about nick's position on that that really surprised me and you know you recently
04:12:14.680did a podcast during his generational run of 2025 it seems like his base is split i'm sure you've seen
04:12:21.320this a lot of them are are very upset about what happened they've been very critical as a movement of
04:12:28.280the the trump administration but this this move nick was very happy about and some of his base was very
04:12:34.180happy about why do you think that the america well his america first movement is supportive of this
04:12:40.660well i don't uh honestly i mean i did i did the podcast with nick there but i haven't actually seen
04:12:46.880what nick had to say about uh the venezuela stuff so where he's he's on board with this yeah he's he's
04:12:53.220was he's been very on board he's very happy about this he thinks it's separate from regime change in
04:12:58.320the middle east because of the monroe doctrine he cited he thinks that this is going to benefit
04:13:03.460america he he thinks it's going to be in and out he was against the fact that trump is saying that
04:13:09.500there needs to be military presence and that we now own venezuela he said okay maybe that's a little far
04:13:14.140but overall he's supportive of regime change in venezuela and he thinks that this was a good military
04:13:19.620operation wow that's disappointing man i i mean i don't uh i don't understand so if he's against if he's
04:13:27.140against trump saying we own it now then why would he be for it like what's the what's the point of
04:13:32.140doing it unless we own it is that the the argument i mean i don't know i guess i i haven't really heard
04:13:37.440him make his case so i don't want to like straw man what his position is neither might he's not here
04:13:42.200so i'm not going to describe his position yeah i mean i respect him a lot well well look i mean
04:13:48.720look venezuela is if you want to say look it's in our hemisphere and it's not the same as
04:13:56.200iran which is not the same as iraq which is not the same as afghanistan like it it's a different
04:14:01.560situation but i mean you know i know that so what is it for like 25 years now uh venezuela has been a
04:14:12.760fiercely anti-american regime something like that and there's a i know that hugo chavez was very popular
04:14:22.320at one point as he went on i think he got less popular and there was more of the rich in the
04:14:29.300middle class who grew to hate him but then again a lot of them also fled so like millions of them
04:14:35.340fled the country and aren't there anymore and there's still like you know probably like
04:14:42.24015 to 20 million like natives who are living in poverty who they really supported him and i don't
04:14:54.840know if maduro ever had the same level of support but anyway my point is you're looking you're looking
04:15:00.380at landmines all over the place like if you actually want to go in there and put boots on the
04:15:05.200ground you're looking at losses all over the place you know and soldiers dying and a bloody costly war
04:15:13.300if you actually wanted to go in there and like extract the resources to bring back to the united
04:15:18.620states of america there's just such a big risk you know and and like right now to to say we're gonna
04:15:25.180take that risk for like maybe we'll we'll extract more resources than we could you know whatever i i'm
04:15:32.820just i don't know what his argument is but if you're making some argument that somehow this is
04:15:36.180in america's interest or this is america first i just don't see that and and the the risks way
04:15:43.460outweigh the potential benefits from it and then again like i would just go back to the point i made
04:15:49.540at the beginning i mean i guess what i would say to nick is like but aren't you a christian like come on
04:15:54.680doesn't that like preclude you from being able to say might makes right and we can just go kill people
04:15:59.920and take their shit you know i i don't know man i i think um like i am certainly i i've been opposed
04:16:08.500to all of the crazy excesses of the progressives over the last 15 years and and i guess even more
04:16:16.320than that and obviously like wokeism and all that shit is insane but i actually like i don't really
04:16:24.740believe in some like like a return to like a neo fascist type attitude where it's like we should go
04:16:33.500take everybody's shit and fuck them because we're the big dogs or something like that you know like
04:16:40.360we said before i don't think that's actually what makes you tough i don't think that makes you brave i
04:16:44.280don't think that makes you right wing i i think that america's tradition was always a rejection of
04:16:51.060that like we didn't get rich because we were like the british or the french or like the spanish you
04:16:58.420know we went we went around and colonized entire regions and raped all their women and looted all
04:17:03.860their stuff and took it back to that wasn't the story of america the story of america was that we
04:17:08.760went we're not going to get in the business of any of that because we think empire is wrong and costly
04:17:14.880and evil and so what we're going to do is have a free society and we i'm not saying we were perfect
04:17:21.620at that but we did a better job at that than anyone else has and that's actually why we're the
04:17:26.640richest and most successful and most powerful country that's ever existed and like i just like
04:17:31.380uh i firmly reject this idea you know and i've seen this out of a lot of people and people that i
04:17:36.680really like and i really respect but i've seen it out of a lot of right wingers lately even with this
04:17:42.040shooting with the the ice thing and and with venezuela where it does become this like might
04:17:46.940makes right we got to do this shit because that's the shit to do and it's like to me that's not
04:17:52.380actually the story of america you know we were like no we had a we had a free market economy that
04:18:00.060produced more that that created the the greatest economy that has ever existed in the history of the
04:18:05.920world and the even the reason we won the world wars was because we were able to turn our productive
04:18:12.940capacity into wartime capacity right so like we turned our factories into making tanks but the reason
04:18:20.300we won is because we had more factories and more production than anybody else in the world we didn't
04:18:25.420do it by by and and you know i just think that uh as i said before there's there's um i think
04:18:33.520there's something really like corrupting to your own soul to to say like no the way that we go get
04:18:39.900rich is that we go you know dominate everybody else and take their shit i i don't think that's the right
04:18:45.320position yeah you spelled it out perfectly it was the rejection of monarchy it was the rejection
04:18:51.280of these empires and these oppressive governments and to have a free society that was what made america
04:18:58.660america so for people to to now shift it and adopt that is i i just didn't expect to see it that soon
04:19:05.860and i'm i'm curious to see how this i'm curious to see how this plays out and how we find some sense
04:19:12.920you would also well i would also say just like on on the point of of nick which i'd be curious to like
04:19:19.080talk to him about this but you you would also think like wouldn't you go like well look dude
04:19:23.180you already told me what this regime was right so they're the ones conducting this do you really
04:19:30.520think this is in your interest or in the american people like like is your view that donald trump
04:19:36.240obviously was totally dog walked by netanyahu through his first you know five years of being
04:19:41.500president and all the neocons and all the war hawks and all these special interests have ruined
04:19:46.660everything but this time he's doing this one for us you know what i mean like obviously like
04:19:51.560there's something else going on here and the administration has lied through their fucking
04:19:56.440teeth about the whole thing here so at least you would think you would go like nah they're up to
04:20:02.660something that isn't for us but yeah i mean i i think like if america wants to survive and um and if we
04:20:11.320want to have like a good country for our kids to grow up in and stuff i know you don't have kids yet but
04:20:16.440you will at some point and like you want to have a good country for them to live in and like uh
04:20:20.860you know what we need to do is just get back to all the stuff that made us successful to begin with
04:20:27.300which is like focus on our country try to have as much liberty here as we possibly can get try to limit
04:20:33.240as much of this corruption as we can and yeah like you don't go looking for wars this is just it's so
04:20:39.260it's not a left-wing or a right-wing position it's a human position it's the the it's the christian
04:20:45.340muslim jewish anything position is that you don't just go looking for mass murder campaigns you know
04:20:52.080you try your best to just take care of your own people as best you can and see they even bombed you
04:20:56.580brought up hugo chavez they bombed there was a museum where his grave site was laid and they just
04:21:01.640bombed that because they disagreed with him they had nothing to do with maduro they did it because
04:21:06.860they could and seeing and he was a christian venezuela is a majority christian country maduro is very
04:21:11.620catholic they're far more christian than america is seeing people completely disregard that especially
04:21:18.000after all the criticisms of immigration and the the wokeism rising and the lack of christian values
04:21:24.020okay this is a and regardless maduro obviously not a good leader in a lot of ways i'm not venezuelan
04:21:29.120oh yeah he's very unpopular with the venezuelans see a lot of them one they say okay look how happy
04:21:35.660the venezuelans are there look at this is justified the venezuelans are happy it's like weren't you
04:21:39.880america first why do you now care about what venezuelans think about their country this has
04:21:44.200nothing to do with us what is this this empathy coming from and two these are also christian people
04:21:50.520that were killed and that are going to be continued to be killed now you cheered on the war in ukraine
04:21:56.860and russia tons of white christians dying venezuela too catholic nation lots of catholic lives were lost
04:22:03.260and this grave site was bombed what happened to america as a christian nation it seems like the idea of
04:22:08.800nationalism and of patriotism supersedes christian values and i don't see how you could put something
04:22:15.780above your faith but maybe perhaps that's a conversation yeah for another time no i i i do
04:22:21.340well look i mean that it's a very interesting point and i will say that like i heard a lot of people
04:22:26.300you know making a lot out of when israel kills christians and going whoa christians are dying here
04:22:34.500and like fair enough yeah i mean i'm i mean personally like i don't any anyone who's like
04:22:40.540an innocent person who's dying i think is horrible but for the people who were making a lot out of
04:22:45.440christians dying when israel did it okay but yeah i mean i think it is reasonable to point out that like
04:22:51.660then you should be just as outraged if donald trump does it i'll leave you with this ask you a question
04:22:57.860about the future how optimistic are you i think that a lot of people are left in a confusing place
04:23:03.260i'm glad that you had a stance because i'm sure you've seen many people are kind of waiting until
04:23:07.700other people speak up to develop an opinion about this i've never seen twitter so apprehensive to put
04:23:14.320their foot in the arena which is they're waiting to see where people stand so once this all plays out
04:23:20.580and people start to realize the consequences of what happened what is the future of america look like
04:23:25.780and are you optimistic about it well i mean look as far as the particular situation in venezuela goes
04:23:34.400i mean it's so hard to even predict right now because really not like what's happened is just
04:23:41.440that donald trump's bombed the country or bombed some boats and then bombed the country and then had
04:23:47.300a very successful operation where they kidnapped the leader but the regime is still standing now trump's
04:23:52.200saying he's going to do all this shit but who knows what's really going to happen so i think as of
04:23:57.080right now i'm not predicting like some calamity it it seems to me like i think what's going to happen
04:24:04.280essentially is that like we were saying before donald trump's going to let this regime stand
04:24:09.820he's going to work at a deal where like the the big oil companies get like a few points on a deal
04:24:16.500and that's that and the the people there will be just as oppressed as they've ever been
04:24:22.840maybe it'll be slightly better maybe it'll be slightly worse and you know the oil companies
04:24:28.720will have some profits that you know will help them and then maybe the american people like we said
04:24:34.080maybe get like five cents or 20 cents on a gallon or something like that like that's kind of the best
04:24:38.940case scenario right now is that it just goes like that but if donald trump actually moves forward
04:24:43.740like he's said like i'm i'm comfortable putting boots on the ground or something like that well
04:24:49.220then all bets are off man and and there's really you know if he actually wants to put boots on the
04:24:54.760ground then you're you're just walking into an area of landmines and who knows what's going to happen
04:24:59.800next there on the broader picture of if you're just asking me like am i black-pilled as dan
04:25:06.780bangino would describe us as or whatever no i'm not at all i think that um like i i've always felt
04:25:15.400this way and and part of this is just because like i have kids i i'm i'm a dad so i always feel like
04:25:21.780as a father i have no option to be black-pilled that's just not in my vocabulary like my my job is
04:25:29.160to give my kids the best possible future i can i don't have an option to sit here and say everything
04:25:34.580feels hopeless or something like that i think you know i i actually think that's pussy shit to ever
04:25:40.900feel that way you know like like i don't think it makes you tough to support a war that you're not
04:25:46.060fighting in but i do think it makes you a fucking pussy to sit around and go like everything's
04:25:51.200hopeless or blah blah like shut the fuck up like i don't know most of human history people could
04:25:56.540fucking die from getting you know strep throat so shut up you got it better than them in the 20th
04:26:03.360century we fought two world wars a lot a lot of guys you know our age or younger than us had had
04:26:10.900at one point in their life been in trench warfare or some shit like that so like no you don't have a
04:26:15.400you don't know i don't believe you have the right to be black-pilled ever i think that over the over
04:26:21.280the last year we you know as you know dude we had an amazing thing happen where there was this like
04:26:28.640you know just every every member of the israel lobby and the war party got completely destroyed
04:26:35.600there was this huge rise of people who were like um you know just totally opposed to this stuff