SNEAKO - SNEAKO & Mario Nawfal HEATED Debate About Ye & Free Speech

00:00:00.000 that you put out for people that put love there's so much love in what are you what are you talking

00:00:06.740 about i haven't said anything what are you talking about it's 30 okay now you're not taking

00:00:11.520 accountability this is what you get for now we can we can circle back when you can count okay

00:00:19.000 and the whole song it's like they took my kids from me they froze my bank account

00:00:27.780 so i became the villain mega hal hitler because the people you love you have difficult conversations

00:00:33.580 with you say things that are have hatred but i was fascinated by this because i um now i follow

00:00:47.180 pierce i know pierce and you know i do want to disclaim something even though i was surprised

00:00:52.460 by the interview you had with him was a bit off style as you see i think he was too aggressive

00:00:58.260 generally i like him as a host i was a bit surprised at how that interview went and i've also

00:01:05.640 been fascinated by yay's growth and and kind of trying to understand what goes on in his mind

00:01:10.980 so that's what really got me really interested i have a chat to you plus we know a lot of the same

00:01:15.760 people and i've seen your growth i think you've been we've been on spaces together in the take days

00:01:19.840 very briefly about two years ago um but we've never spoken so that's the first time we speak

00:01:25.960 that's the first time i do an interview outside of politics so i'm pretty interested to to kind of

00:01:30.160 dig into this but i wanted to get your thoughts first what were your thoughts about that interview

00:01:36.080 when you came in what did you expect were you surprised at how the interview went

00:01:39.980 i was pleasantly surprised because in spain it's illegal to discuss certain topics and i knew that

00:01:50.660 peers i've been in interviews in that situation where they try to ask those questions to to get a

00:01:55.060 moment that ends up on your wikipedia page forever and call you um you know say that you're denying this

00:02:00.580 or try to call you a certain labels that pretty much stain your reputation forever so i knew that

00:02:06.820 was coming and i knew that it was going to be aggressive i've seen peers interview style

00:02:10.940 and i know that he likes the those big moments i was pleasantly surprised because nothing went wrong

00:02:18.680 on our end i we i did some preparation you know it was i was streaming when i was preparing so it's

00:02:23.840 like i'm not really afraid or ashamed to say that but i did a lot of preparation i think i

00:02:28.060 actually still have my notes somewhere i was more than prepared for for every obstacle and i had

00:02:34.960 you know things to throw at peers in case he started to attack me and when i talked to yay

00:02:40.880 before we were we were very ready and i was i was a little i wouldn't say nervous but people were

00:02:45.900 telling me not to do it they're saying don't do this uh whenever there's a big moment in my career

00:02:50.840 there were people always uh my family or people close to me always don't do it don't do it don't

00:02:54.580 do it that's how i know i shouldn't do it when people are afraid of me taking that risk because

00:02:58.940 you're supposed to you know that there's supposed to be some sort of struggle in order to to have a

00:03:03.740 big achievement and so i was happy you know obviously it could have been more interesting

00:03:07.380 but i think that that opportunity was or there's going to be a bigger opportunity now now that he

00:03:12.780 failed that interview someone like uh i think a joe rogan yay interview is is inevitable

00:03:18.140 and i do think he was aggressive and i think this is his style he does like to get those moments he's

00:03:24.540 experienced at it and i think you were ready for it as well because he had a when you and him

00:03:27.940 started having a discussion you hit him back a few times but you're saying that you know yay walking

00:03:33.260 off was not pre-planned at all i think someone said that he warned you that it could happen

00:03:37.820 and from memory i know he's done it before um was anything planned what was yay like before the

00:03:43.060 interview i mean it was all on stream it wasn't planned uh to do the walk-off we just he just said

00:03:48.920 you know if this goes if he starts being disrespectful i'm gonna walk off and it wasn't

00:03:52.860 like him preparing a stunt to promote it was just like this is how he was understanding this is how

00:03:57.100 peers is gonna be and this is an option at the table so don't feel disrespected if i leave

00:04:00.980 so no that we were planning to the entire interview and then he just went in and immediately started

00:04:07.560 antagonizing and said two things incorrectly on purpose he said his name wrong and he said

00:04:11.620 his twitter follower account wrong and it's like if you're doing all this uh preliminary research

00:04:16.460 people actually someone just texted me right before this and said like oh why did you guys get upset

00:04:21.000 about the the follower account being wrong it's because he knew that he was he didn't get it wrong

00:04:25.620 he just said it incorrectly on purpose there's a very big difference he was trying to piss him off

00:04:30.500 he was trying to uh what he yes he was trying to make his dick smaller and so when you intentionally

00:04:35.520 do something like that as an interviewer there's no point in wasting your time i mean i someone else

00:04:40.560 who is actually curious and interested i'll give my time to them so before asking you more about yay

00:04:47.100 now i won't put you in a spot where you speak on behalf of yay so i want to make it very clear i want

00:04:50.700 to get your thoughts on it i actually find it more interesting speaking to so i know some people

00:04:54.760 that know yay behind the scenes and are his stories but um to offer context how well do you

00:05:00.340 know yay how long have you spent with him so i'm pretty new in that world and and i'm sure some of

00:05:05.900 my oldest members are new to the world as well how long have you known yay for and what's your

00:05:09.980 relationship with is it business wise personal uh you know a bit of i would call him a friend

00:05:15.960 but it's uh obviously it's a business relationship i've come to realize that when you're

00:05:19.360 someone of his stature you're supposed to every relationship kind of has to be

00:05:23.840 benefit i'm always working when i'm here but we we get to hang out too we talk but i'm always i'm

00:05:29.820 always working very busy here i've known him for about three years i was working on the 824 campaign

00:05:34.920 when he was running for president but that was i don't i didn't really shine as much in a

00:05:40.500 in a political space i i'm doing a lot better here which is a more creative environment because he

00:05:45.860 has a big show coming up and he's working on he's working on a lot of things and i'm not even

00:05:51.960 sure how much i'm i should talk about now but he's working on everything all at once and

00:05:56.000 you guys are seeing the music that's coming out and uh obviously people have heard about the big show

00:06:01.560 uh yeah you're smiling when my team told me the song's name so i'm a believer in free speech that's

00:06:08.920 something we both share in common and i also find society fascinating how there's some words you just

00:06:13.240 cannot say like the n-word i know it's it's you know it could inspire hate but i think people

00:06:18.000 now we as a society have taken it too far it's my personal opinion i wouldn't say because i know

00:06:22.740 people could even if i quote it i'll ask my team i'm like if i'm reading the song lyrics and i say

00:06:27.800 the n-word can i just quote it like quote blah blah blah and quote my team's like no no no no no no

00:06:32.500 i'm like holy shit like we've gotten to that level as a society it's just pretty sad uh but when my

00:06:38.300 team told me the song's name it i thought they're fucking with me i didn't know it was real and then

00:06:43.300 i looked into the lyrics tried to understand it understand three words back to back but i don't

00:06:49.040 think people care as much i think people in dubai there's no one in dubai for example that really

00:06:52.700 cares if you said the name of that song

00:06:55.260 i haven't tried man i wouldn't try i can't tell you i'm not gonna i thought i i don't think it

00:07:03.680 matters if you say like hi hitler i can say i don't really care because it's the n-word for some

00:07:08.460 reason is just help like so when i say hi hitler i'm saying it as like as the name of the song just

00:07:13.240 to be clear before it's taken out of context but the n-word you can't say obviously he says it all

00:07:18.680 and which will will actually let's let's dig into the song have were you working on the song with

00:07:24.040 him before it was released well i heard the song for about um three it's maybe 300 hours now while

00:07:33.640 i was being worked on i was editing so i heard the whole thing being blared and and the horns come in

00:07:38.640 and the drums come in and the different versions of the song and while it was being worked on i was

00:07:43.580 editing and working on the music video um editing it so i probably heard that song maybe a thousand

00:07:50.760 times at this point it's it's been and it's not old it's not stuck in my head but it's just funny

00:07:55.380 hearing you say like oh i could say how hitler but i can't say the n-word because it's like i'm saying

00:08:00.060 how hitler within context but i say the n-word within context it's like it's gonna but it's weird

00:08:04.780 isn't it like it's it applies uh to both now i do want to be clear i do think the words are offensive i

00:08:12.900 think a lot of people will take offense to them even though i'm a believer in free speech and i think

00:08:16.680 i'm a free speech absolutist i think anyone could say anything it's a pretty blurry line i think

00:08:22.280 david sacks uh heard him talk about it in all in podcast once he was explaining why he's a free

00:08:27.200 speech absolutist but it's a very tricky position to be in um but let me get your thoughts when you

00:08:34.580 first heard the song what what came to your mind were you shocked initially did you think

00:08:39.060 the artistic value if any outweighs the offense it could cause what was your initial reaction

00:08:47.160 i laughed i thought it was really funny like i don't think that there's a funnier three-word

00:08:53.440 sentence than nigger howl hitler it's just it's absolutely hilarious it's the best punchline of all

00:08:58.280 time i saw tom sigour and joe rogan talking about this and top sigour was like clutching his pearls like

00:09:03.340 i think what if you just change the lyrics because the song is so good but the lyrics hurts like how are

00:09:08.720 you comedian and you're not able to understand a punchline i i thought especially if you heard his

00:09:14.640 other song called world war three where he's like talking about she want to hop in a rari uh bitch

00:09:19.760 are you ready to die like he's he's talking about reading mind camp reading mind camp two chapters four

00:09:25.360 go to sleep he you know when you understand and you know him it's like this is this is hilarious

00:09:30.680 there's no i don't get my i don't clutch my pearls about anything anymore so the other way of looking

00:09:36.780 at is it is so i understand there's a sign some people find it funny um you know when i first

00:09:41.860 heard it i was i was shocked i found it funny but i also understand that it it can be seen as very

00:09:46.480 offensive you know still a lot of people that were impacted i know a lot of people a lot of friends

00:09:50.340 that were impacted by the holocaust um so i was i mean i'm a product of the holocaust my my grandfather

00:09:57.200 um he fought the nazis in world war ii and i have i have relatives like that in auschwitz so i again

00:10:03.780 i'm gonna accept and then he immigrated to haiti and then met my black grandmother you look at me

00:10:07.960 like i'm lying right now but this is that's the truth um my last name is is uh like a polish

00:10:13.960 hungarian name and yeah without i would not exist without this i only found i really started to

00:10:20.780 really understand a lot of this stuff recently but that's why my my grandfather from hungary

00:10:25.160 immigrated to haiti and met my grandma so my dad's half black um and then part white part jewish

00:10:31.860 and my mom's filipino so so do you can you so if someone is offended by this song do you relate to

00:10:37.540 them like you still find it funny but okay you think anyone that's offended by the song is overreacting

00:10:42.300 look he's saying it in the whole song it's like they took my kids from me they froze my bank account

00:10:47.660 so i became the villain nigger hal hitler it's like you took everything from me you tried to ruin my

00:10:53.760 life so i'm the villain now i'm gonna say the one thing i'm gonna say exactly what's gonna piss you

00:10:58.920 off the most and it's gonna you're gonna do everything you can to take everything away from

00:11:03.220 me which they did it's it's off of all of dsbs every single digital streaming platform has deleted

00:11:08.420 the song it's not people on youtube are getting banned for reacting to people on tiktok are getting

00:11:12.780 banned for playing it spotify has this is hate speech and then if you look at spotify's hate

00:11:17.760 speech policy it's like you can't no violent rhetoric it's like no violent rhetoric what about

00:11:21.600 everything in hip-hop what about all the all the niggas that they shoot all the op packs that they

00:11:26.680 smoke what about all of drill music an entire genre of music about murdering black people what

00:11:32.140 about lil nas x twerking on the devil that stuff isn't considered hate speech or isn't considered

00:11:37.140 bad rhetoric but you say nigger hal hitler and that's the that's the one song that needs to be

00:11:42.780 taken off everywhere and completely silenced the point was proven

00:11:45.800 interesting that's a good comparison interesting comparison that you've made so you're saying that

00:11:52.720 so firstly would you categorize it as hate speech but you'd say it's the same thing so it's funny

00:11:58.540 but it's also hate speech but it's similar to other videos that could be seen as hate speech as well

00:12:02.940 that are allowed on those platforms is that where you stand or you think all of them are hate speech

00:12:07.200 so would you compare it to let's say a rap song where it's all about killing other people the

00:12:11.180 the drilling whatever the drillers music that even so all about killing black people so are you

00:12:16.080 comparing to those saying all these are hate music or hate speech but this one was banned the others

00:12:21.020 we're back we're not banned no it depends on your intention um but a lot of drill music they

00:12:26.940 literally do say like i hate you i want to kill you and that's the whole song like how much they

00:12:31.900 hate someone else who lives on 63rd street instead of 62nd street i i i know yay personally he doesn't

00:12:38.240 hate anyone like he comes from he really loves everyone and a lot of people might think this is

00:12:43.160 strange he doesn't hate jews there's jews that work here there's jews that work i'm here with the

00:12:47.120 whole team those jews that work here all day long i told him that uh but then i'm part jews like oh

00:12:52.660 okay he doesn't care like he doesn't uh he doesn't have any hate in his heart what i think that this

00:12:59.580 is i think that this is love speech i think that the censorship method the piers morgan method failed

00:13:05.000 completely they tried to ban people like me they banned people like tate like nick like yay and what

00:13:11.260 happened like how how long have you seen the i've been banned with the tates for like two and a half

00:13:16.400 years have we really shrunk in popularity no our reach has been limited but people are still seeking

00:13:21.940 out this sort of content people are still having these conversations the limits of free speech have

00:13:26.440 gone so far that the most viral song right now is called nigga howl hitler the more you try to censor

00:13:31.840 something the more people become interested in it the more people want to talk about it so let

00:13:35.440 everybody talk about these things let's have public discourse let's not try to have limitations

00:13:40.420 and decide what what is hate speech what's not let's look at somebody's intentions so someone

00:13:46.560 i interviewed i just remembered him now dr gadzat i know very well i respect tremendously and um he did

00:13:52.660 say something he was talking about i think it was we talked about the gaza war and he was

00:13:56.940 criticizing certain people that were posting certain content but then he said to me mario you know he's a

00:14:02.520 free speech absolutist as well he said mario i don't mind even people that deny the holocaust which to him

00:14:09.000 could be one of the most offensive things someone could do he's like but i think they should have that

00:14:14.160 right they should fight hate speech with what i think what he called intelligent speech so you know

00:14:20.580 fight hate or misinformation with facts don't censor it because censorship makes it worst um that was

00:14:26.960 his position but where i'm at now is i'm trying to see where that line should be drawn i i struggled a lot

00:14:34.060 with it during the gaza war in the gaza war i was attacked heavily for being i was called a hamas

00:14:39.120 sympathizer and a zionist very heavily you know i went through the biggest cancellation campaign

00:14:44.180 by both sides at the time i was on a fatwa list in that period which is like a list of people that

00:14:49.380 want to be harmed and i was also there was i don't know if you saw one viral or next two people that

00:14:54.380 were trying to to hurt me in canada and they're you know you can call them zionists or extreme jewish

00:15:00.640 um i had extreme jewish ideologies um so i've been in that position do you think there should

00:15:07.060 be a line whatsoever or you think anyone should be able to say anything unless it doesn't let's

00:15:12.300 say call for direct violence okay go kill that person or go burn down that house where do you

00:15:17.100 stand on this i agree i'm a free speech absolutist and which really doesn't exist like we you can say

00:15:23.240 this but it's something i believe but it doesn't really exist anywhere you're for example you're in

00:15:27.780 the uae everyone who lives in the uae knows like the limits of free speech uh it's something that

00:15:32.820 people talk about whenever you go there it's like you can't you know don't do that but i do believe

00:15:38.140 that unless you say no call for violence and that should be it but it's funny that you say

00:15:42.560 a god side said that the worst thing ever is uh is holocaust denial because it's like there's so

00:15:47.980 many holocaust deniers today of the holocaust that's happening in gaza how many people even

00:15:53.200 pierce morgan is a holocaust denier he went for for years and up until very recently he would go on

00:15:58.360 and immediately say do you condemn hamas he would ignore the amount of children that are dying every

00:16:03.020 day he would go and pivot and talk about the hostages and make up lies about the human body

00:16:08.020 shields and about you know the beheaded babies and the microhead you make up all these which is

00:16:13.300 literal holocaust denial which you could people have careers promoting and these people are still

00:16:19.080 around they don't get banned anywhere they're not censored and they're just right back

00:16:22.060 into their job like nothing happened so if we're gonna pick and choose what's the what's the worst

00:16:28.580 this is happening today they're still talking about the holocaust from 80 years ago which is bad

00:16:33.700 obviously which is terrible well why don't we talk about what's happening right now which is arguably

00:16:38.120 worse which is better documented which we have 4k video proof of we see what's happening and it's

00:16:44.000 happening to children and they still deny it but those people don't get banned so instead of picking

00:16:48.580 and choosing and deciding what's the the worst thing you could possibly say let people have

00:16:53.460 discourse let them talk it out and the ideas that are true usually those are sifted to the top usually

00:17:00.000 that is what wins i agree with that last point um i want to go back to this song a bit further

00:17:06.300 actually is a comment you made when when yay keeps mentioning the people that took away his his

00:17:13.300 licensing deals closes bank accounts does he believe it's certain people that happen to be jewish

00:17:19.000 that were just bad people does he genuinely believe like the majority of jews or all jews

00:17:23.980 uh are bad where does he stand on this and again i'm not putting i don't want you to speak on his

00:17:29.300 behalf i want to get your thoughts on how you interpret what he says how i interpret it is in

00:17:33.860 is that it's definitely not all and if it's anyone can send me something where he says all then i stand

00:17:38.760 corrected but it's certain people there's a sorry to interrupt usually i don't interrupt but there's

00:17:42.480 one quote he said one tweet i'm going defcon 3 on all jews uh when i wake up something along those

00:17:48.060 lines i'm sure you know the tweet from two years ago would you say that one refers to all jews or

00:17:52.080 that was he missed that was the one that got him debanked he didn't say all he said i'm uh i'm

00:17:56.600 going defcon 3 on jewish people when i wake up and also in the tweet which people remove the quote

00:18:00.740 he was drinking he said like i just finished a bottle of hennessy when i wake up i'm going defcon 3

00:18:05.140 also defcon 3 if you look it up it means defense mode people act like it's a nuke if you look up

00:18:10.180 defcon 3 that's like preparing for attacks which i think he got incorrect but he he was staying

00:18:16.620 corrected like all the attacks will come on him and then you would have to play defense that's what

00:18:21.260 defcon 3 is it's preparation for for an attack he didn't say all okay so from the time you spent

00:18:27.780 with him he doesn't hate all jews and he doesn't think is it fair to say he doesn't hate would you say

00:18:33.720 he hates the ones that that debanked him i mean i'm sure he's not happy with them i'm sure he's

00:18:41.400 not yeah if someone took my bank account too i don't think i would invite them over for dinner

00:18:45.460 okay um and he does believe though that jews have a disproportionate amount of influence in the world

00:18:52.420 he does have that belief correct that that's the type of stuff i don't want to answer on his behalf

00:18:58.400 fair point good point all right i think i want to dig into the song so i try to understand it

00:19:05.460 because what i'm really fascinated by and the main um you know main point i want to get out of this

00:19:09.640 discussion is really how does he think you know what is the message he's trying to get across which

00:19:13.880 i don't think he's doing a great job at communicating because he does say he loves all people i think

00:19:18.380 if i say something wrong again i'm new to this so correct me but i think he says he loves everyone

00:19:22.720 including hitler which got him heavily attacked because his point was he loves everyone but he

00:19:27.740 wants to kind of trigger people by saying by including hitler in that list um so that's what

00:19:32.760 i really want to want to try to understand sneaker and let's start with the song so the first part is

00:19:37.040 about him being canceled he says man these people took my kids from me then they closed my bank account

00:19:41.660 i got so much anger in me got no way to take it out think that i'm stuck in a matrix where the

00:19:47.800 fuck is my nitrous so is it fair to say that this song was inspired by the pain that was caused by

00:19:56.400 what happened to him over the last few years that was the core of the song i would say that that's uh

00:20:03.100 that's like the precursor and then obviously the drums come in the horns come in and then you hear

00:20:07.660 the the triumph that comes from it okay and then why say n-word heil hitler afterwards so what's the

00:20:14.300 message he's trying to say so is he trying to position himself as hey everyone's is calling me

00:20:18.980 a villain so i'm going to embrace that is that what he's trying to say

00:20:22.100 yeah that's what he says it's like bitch i'm the villain and then i'm pretty sure he doesn't say

00:20:27.540 n-word how hillary he says n-word how hillary i think that's the least i'm not i'm not playing that

00:20:35.860 song in the car n-word how it doesn't um so so then he says there's another part he says

00:20:42.980 with all the money and fame i still can't get my kids back with all the money and fame i still

00:20:47.640 don't get to see my children uh and would see my twitter but don't see how i'd be feeling so i

00:20:54.040 became a nazi yeah bitch i'm the villain um so that's the part where he said yeah bitch i'm the

00:20:59.220 villain a lot of people would interpret this as as yay saying he's now a nazi he's essentially

00:21:05.920 embracing nazism is that okay if you look at the stuff that he's making with well i mean

00:21:13.440 it depends on the context of it i mean obviously that or that word today has a lot of different

00:21:18.680 meanings right the original meaning is national social is like a german national socialist

00:21:22.940 which has nothing to do with the socialism of today it's not you know this collectivist thing

00:21:28.520 it's it's borderline fascism and it had to specific to germany at that time all right for 99 but for

00:21:35.360 99.9 percent of people it is it just relates to the holocaust of world war ii i think it would be

00:21:40.680 fair to say well that's what i'm saying like it has different definitions like even today when they

00:21:45.380 say that word like you're a grammar nazi or if they if you say something racist they say oh you're a

00:21:50.540 nazi or if you're you know really neat or something and you clean your bed every certain way like you're

00:21:55.280 you're really nazi specific with that or that you just say something that they don't like i'm sure

00:21:59.680 you've been called a nazi what if you if you disagree with somebody people on the left will just call

00:22:03.900 you a nazi if you say free palestine they say what are you a nazi the word is thrown around so much

00:22:08.940 that it's it's lost its meaning really well how do you describe even if you're right now you're saying

00:22:12.960 99.9 percent of people it's the people that support the holocaust well even the the people could look

00:22:18.700 at the nazis then a lot of them didn't know what was happening a lot of them had no idea they were

00:22:22.160 just supporting their country right they were they a lot of stuff wasn't documented and they obviously

00:22:26.700 would not have been okay with it so could you blame all them the point is when he's saying that word

00:22:31.940 from my perspective it's like this is the worst thing ever this is the worst word it's like it's

00:22:38.020 the worst thing you can call someone so i'm just gonna embrace it oh i'm this i'm just gonna accept

00:22:43.080 it whatever you whatever you call me i'm just gonna embrace it and then make it cool and does he have

00:22:48.820 other songs called you said there's one called world war three i haven't heard it i didn't know

00:22:51.640 it's how and what's world war three about world war three is on spotify and he talks about

00:22:58.500 uh hitler and nazism and you know it's a funny song too he's talking about like a girl hopping an

00:23:04.460 aurari um i could pull up the lyrics if you want but i recommend listening to it it's it's a good one

00:23:10.780 um do you think is it as provocative as this one uh it's it's up there oh it just got banned on

00:23:17.760 genius i can't see the lyrics now but it's up there um that the lyrics are are pretty provocative

00:23:23.680 but not not at this level i'll get the uh i'll tell the team send it to me now hold on send me

00:23:28.800 world war three oh kk is listening to us kk send me through on whatsapp the world war three lyrics i

00:23:33.840 want to check it out maybe the most provocative parts just to try to understand it but you've

00:23:37.800 listened to the song for hours for many hours as well before it was released oh that song yeah

00:23:44.880 world war three because you said the the you know he put that out before i i got here in spain

00:23:50.240 okay but the higher hitler one you heard it a lot before it came out yes like non-stop did you

00:23:55.960 there's a documentary that i posted on my ex called living room where i document the process

00:24:02.520 of the song being made i highly recommend people check it out when you speak to him privately so

00:24:05.960 i've never spoken to you we've never crossed paths uh we just know the same people so i'm very

00:24:10.520 far from that world when you sit and talk to him privately is he very is he similar to what we

00:24:14.880 see when i'm when i was watching his interviews prior to prior to us having a discussion today

00:24:18.740 is it a similar discussion or is he different off camera you know take for example two different

00:24:23.720 people in my opinion um how's yay on and off camera well i've met a lot of these people i i would

00:24:30.140 disagree people always ask me that question because i've met um these famous people and they're like i

00:24:35.180 think they're the same i think that if you watch like a long-form podcast like a joe rogan interview

00:24:41.520 for example you get some of those the same moment and that i would say he's the same like he's very

00:24:48.880 funny you know he's always always cracking jokes and there's one joke i heard he made and you kind

00:24:55.040 of put you like this i think he referenced about pissing on on a dead person's grave or something

00:25:00.140 along those lines he meant it as a joke but obviously it's a pretty bad taste joke and i think

00:25:03.640 that's like the first time you're like okay this one's too far yeah no it's funny i mean i i can't help

00:25:10.160 and laugh and stuff like that but that's just like really dark i i wouldn't joke about that

00:25:13.340 personally i don't like to joke about dead people um or like you know that that's that's not my sense

00:25:19.040 of humor and i also i really i like i like the guy that he's talking about that died that's virgil

00:25:23.400 i thought he was a great designer but he that's his own personal relationship so but you're saying

00:25:29.620 that the so i make dark jokes i have a team that makes dark jokes we just joke around a lot

00:25:35.620 and um obviously not as far as yeah not even close to the joke i just said now you know

00:25:40.620 pissing on someone's dead grave in my opinion is way too far um but so essentially you're saying

00:25:46.100 that based on these jokes the lyrics of these songs and what he's trying to achieve the messages he's

00:25:50.260 and i want to try to understand the message behind high litler based on the way he communicates

00:25:54.720 certain things he's created that perception of himself that's very different to the yay

00:25:59.120 you and others around him know is that correct i don't think so i think the perception like

00:26:05.620 is the real perception is out there if you care to look for it i think people just see headlines and

00:26:12.180 like oh they get upset they don't really try to figure it out i think any sort of critical analysis

00:26:18.040 and you could you could really get to know someone based on how much content they put online and how

00:26:22.500 public they are even before i haven't seen yay for for over almost two years and he's what i remember

00:26:30.000 is is the same person yeah i'm just reading the um uh the the lyrics to world war three i see that

00:26:38.660 look in her eyes she want to hop in a ride i said you are ready to die i said you're ready to die

00:26:43.120 they're telling me that i'm a bully i'm an anti-semitic fully they say i'm acting like hitler but how am i

00:26:48.740 acting like hitler when i am fucking in n-word they're telling me to get off twitter he said

00:26:54.240 nigger he didn't say ah i'm just i'm just reading nigger rhymes with hitler you see

00:26:59.140 ah okay makes it it sound better they're telling me to get off twitter i voted for trump not biden

00:27:04.540 no some n-word this one says n-word i have different lyrics why the fuck would you go to

00:27:09.880 island why would they go to why would they go why would piers morgan be friends with people that went

00:27:13.720 to the uh piers morgan's friends with alan dershowitz epstein's lawyer why the fuck would you go to that

00:27:18.040 island why piers um piers didn't go to the island by saying that alan dershowitz went to the island

00:27:25.540 piers is friends with him yeah maybe i don't know i see pictures with the piers and jillay maxwell

00:27:30.440 and that they look very friendly and then he says they just don't understand me what don't they

00:27:36.420 understand about him what do you think people if you had to tell people one thing people that

00:27:40.420 like me that i just that haven't you said people that don't look for it don't really know the real yay

00:27:45.300 so if you had to explain it to kind of describe the real yay that outside the media can you do

00:27:50.940 that for me what he's always done if you remember when he first popped on the scene how old are you

00:27:56.340 mario um i'm a big fan of his music i've listened to it for years i know it all yeah so you remember

00:28:01.320 when he first popped out with a college rapper he's wearing a pink polo and a backpack and walking

00:28:05.380 around with the people on a backpack back when 50 cent was all like g unit and everyone here is

00:28:10.100 thugged out thug life he shows up wearing a pink polo and a backpack and he's rapping about working at the

00:28:14.800 gap and dropping out of school and family problems and you know producing not making it yet in his

00:28:22.540 personal struggles he's talking about things that people did not talk about in rap yet he was pushing

00:28:26.200 boundaries he was changing the the ideas that the preconceived ideas that we had that hip-hop was

00:28:31.140 right then he dropped 808s and heartbreak a couple years later 808s and heartbreak had auto-tune

00:28:35.000 he's rapping about breakup he's rapping about loss about pain over a beat and rappers weren't supposed to

00:28:40.760 talk about pain that way they weren't supposed to be vulnerable that way a couple years later

00:28:44.440 you see a little uzi vert you see kid cuddy you see playboard cardi you see all these auto-tune

00:28:49.680 rappers they're putting the same sort of imagery the broken heart they're rapping in that same way

00:28:54.620 they're talking about their pain auto-tune becomes popular the soundcloud rap era all that would not

00:28:59.080 have happened without a weight and heartbreak and then he starts rapping about then there's yeezus that

00:29:03.420 comes out and he's saying i'm a god and he's really braggadocious and the first song is wow wow wow

00:29:08.500 like these big distorted synths and then people started to hear more artists like death grips and

00:29:13.820 you know travis scott started to change his sound the point is he's always changed our ideas of what

00:29:19.120 we think is normal he's always pushed the boundaries of what we're supposed to think

00:29:22.920 it's not just straight up contrarianism he's trying to to challenge us and that's why that's why i love the

00:29:29.580 guy because without him our our strict ideas of what we're supposed to consume and what we're

00:29:36.060 supposed to talk about it would be really boring but he's always pushing the limits

00:29:40.140 as if so you're saying his his artistic mind is just pushing limits that we don't understand that

00:29:49.240 a lot of us kind of operate within those limits and as i said earlier remember i said the n-word

00:29:52.540 it's one that i my teams like my never say that word even if you quote it you're saying these limits

00:29:57.160 because he's so artistic in the way he thinks he's kind of trying to break those barriers

00:30:02.040 um which is a good thing for society but do you also think some limits are there for a reason so

00:30:07.800 for example stopping hate speech while things like saying heil hitler okay could be seen as offensive

00:30:13.060 hey free speech i could say go fuck yourself you might be offended but i have the right to say it

00:30:17.200 um but it starts to get into a into world where where obviously anti-semitic behavior and even

00:30:25.360 violence against jews and you know muslims and and other religions and cultures is something that

00:30:30.160 the world faces and shouldn't we put limits and guardrails to kind of prevent that again that's me

00:30:34.360 as a free speech absolute is trying to see the other side of the argument well it seems like there's

00:30:39.040 only hate speech only applies to one group it seems like you could talk about how much you hate every

00:30:44.440 other group and you're fine if you look at x the amount of people that talk about muslims and that are

00:30:49.040 completely okay they talk about you know first they're talking about indian h1b visas and that

00:30:53.980 the entire conversation on x shifts to rape gangs and how muslims are rapists and how they

00:30:58.980 are detrimental to the west and alex jones could tweet something word for word islamic uh extremism

00:31:05.320 is taking over the west it's like really like and now you're people are scared about muslims or you

00:31:09.580 could talk about how white people and white not how you know whiteness is the greatest threat ever how

00:31:16.100 white white supremacy is destroying and every single kendrick lamar song is how white he's bad

00:31:21.180 we should kill white people twitch streamers can say we want to kill crackers and they don't get

00:31:25.180 banned hate speech only seems to apply to one group so but in the uk so so i know tommy robinson

00:31:32.320 really well i know what happened in the uk and the argument he was making is that people were being

00:31:35.860 jailed and silenced for saying anything negative towards muslims in the uk or immigrants in the uk

00:31:41.720 i'm sure you remember that period where people were jailed for certain tweets they made

00:31:45.440 that one person said robinson was jailed and he pled guilty for something i don't want to say

00:31:51.880 this incorrectly but he pled guilty of a case with a child with a 14 year old girl

00:31:55.020 right and people are saying that it's like people now are saying he's a free speech martyr like no

00:32:00.400 he pled guilty right he pled guilty and had nothing to do with free speech it was i don't want to say

00:32:06.060 this incorrectly as a doctor for memory you can you can google it but i remember from from memory was um

00:32:09.720 and i interviewed him a few times it was about a documentary he made about um there was a story

00:32:14.240 being covered about a kid that was bullied and the media portrayed it as someone that was bullying

00:32:19.620 an immigrant kid i think a muslim kid that was being bullied but then when he covered he covered

00:32:24.720 the other side he spoke to teachers that signed ndas and he found out that a lot of people were silenced

00:32:28.800 and the story had another side where the person that was bullied was actually attacking other kids

00:32:35.700 and bullying other kids for a long period of time and even teachers admitted that off the record

00:32:39.440 uh but the media didn't cover this the media wanted to cover as an immigrant kid so so the argument i'm

00:32:44.360 making is moving away from tommy robinson is that a lot of people were also so good yeah we could

00:32:50.480 talk about i mean look he's he's on video saying that he's he pretends to be this like this uk

00:32:56.820 nationalist but there's videos of him saying he's okay with indians and sikhs coming in he just

00:33:01.240 doesn't want brown muslims coming in yeah which i think by the way i think tommy's tommy's i think some

00:33:05.860 of the things he says i disagree with the things he's done i disagree with i think some things he

00:33:09.200 says are racist the same way i disagree with what yay said some things yay said here and and the way

00:33:13.840 he's trying to break certain barriers the way he goes around it which we can obviously continue

00:33:17.280 discussing in a bit i do disagree with a lot with what what tommy robinson says what i'm saying is

00:33:21.460 that there's groups there's different types of groups around the world that are being targeted

00:33:25.360 i think jews are being targeted more proportionately right now because of us happening in gaza

00:33:29.840 and which i've covered very extensively um and i've you know i've got a team and and and friends

00:33:35.480 in lebanon i've got a team and friends in israel so i've kind of been on both sides i had my own

00:33:40.100 team visit israel i've had my team they're going to visit lebanon again soon to do a quick documentary

00:33:44.060 there um never been to palestine but i have palestinian friends so i've kind of been in that

00:33:48.420 world but i do think that jews are being disproportionately targeted and i think you'd agree a lot of

00:33:53.120 innocent good jews that you wouldn't put in the category of you know having done bad like the ones that

00:33:58.860 that that um got um yay cancelled are facing the consequences of that is that fair to say maybe

00:34:06.780 there needs to be more efforts to go i mean don't you think that like children in gaza are being

00:34:12.540 disproportionately murdered right now 100 percent like i think i think what's happening just to be

00:34:16.120 clear as well what's happening gaza is fucking ridiculous like it's heartbreaking what's happening

00:34:20.080 gaza what happened on october 7th obviously you have to always say that it's disgusting and horrific

00:34:24.240 and what's happening in gaza is one of the worst wars i'm seeing right now um if it's

00:34:28.820 disproportionate for like people in israel after a long day that's israel but just sorry that's

00:34:33.060 israel not jews and i just don't i just don't want people to kind of mix it too as a song is a song

00:34:38.480 that's banned everywhere where someone's saying like nigga how if that's the worst thing then i i'm

00:34:44.800 i'm personally okay with that but i don't see like where's the the disproportionate amount of hate

00:34:50.140 attacks where is that happening but i want to i can continue discussing this i just want to move to

00:34:56.680 diddy as well so on that last point um i just think they're being i mean you got it you made

00:35:01.340 like i'm like looking for the examples like the numbers yeah let me check it out i've i've posted

00:35:07.680 about it as well there's been a lot of reports of jews being targeted you know similar to what

00:35:12.000 happened after 9-11 a lot of muslims were targeted back then you know people immediately go to certain

00:35:15.820 um ideology um so that's after 9-11 so i think it's not surprising that after october 7th and what's

00:35:21.160 happening in gaza that's the main thing with the war in gaza a lot of people really hate what israel is

00:35:25.140 doing there and all the innocent kids and civilians that are dying and they're letting that anger out

00:35:30.140 on jews which i think jews and israel are two different entities that should not be i mean i

00:35:34.840 go to i go to palestine protests all the time in new york which is like the most densely uh diverse

00:35:40.260 populated place ever and there's hasidic jews and all of them every free palestine protest you will see

00:35:45.380 in new york you'll see tons of hasidic jews standing in solidarity with palestine and they're dressed

00:35:49.680 full up in the gear you know you see the the hair and the hat and uh the guy and like no one is

00:35:54.960 directing any hate towards them so i i would be confused like where if that's the place where you

00:36:00.020 would see the sort of hate right where people are protesting the genocide that's happening on kids but

00:36:03.900 people understand the difference between zionists and jews they see the difference between you know

00:36:08.020 just hating on innocent people and attacking innocent people and also seeing the wrongdoing that's

00:36:13.620 happening from the government i don't see this is the first time i've heard someone talk about that

00:36:18.000 if the worst thing that's happening is you know troll comments and uh and a band song i can live with

00:36:23.660 that so if i go to i'm just going to mention some some quick numbers and get your thoughts on them

00:36:29.120 so since october so since the war in gaza um in 2024 the adl documented as the anti-defamation league

00:36:36.960 which i'm sure you know really well documented 10 000 anti-semitic incidents in the u.s

00:36:42.020 marking a five percent increase from 2023 and a 900 and 900 percent rise over the past decade

00:36:47.800 what what is what does an anti-semitic incident mean was that what the adl saying that like do

00:36:54.340 they even describe what that is so you don't think there's been a rise in anti-semitic attacks

00:36:59.980 or jews being targeted since the war attacks no i think there's like been more more more discussion

00:37:06.040 i think since uh 824 the overton window has been opened i think people are starting to understand

00:37:10.700 and to have these conversations but if there's any evidence of attacks on the rise like this then then

00:37:16.440 i'll stand corrected so there's the majority involved so i'll give you i'll give you some

00:37:21.140 quick numbers um 58 was uh involved harassment no i don't know how they define it um 28 vandalism

00:37:29.120 14 assault and 58 of these incidents were linked to anti-israel sentiments especially following the

00:37:36.640 october 7th attack so that's the nature of the incidents that's from the these ones are from the

00:37:42.220 uh let me check i think it's the adl as well okay i mean the adl also called me a nazi you're saying

00:37:47.880 so according to the adl you're speaking to a nazi right now you're speaking to so i i don't take

00:37:52.820 anything that these people say seriously uh all they try to do is get people banned that they don't

00:37:57.180 like and they they could very clearly have a certain agenda it's the most unreliable source they

00:38:02.100 ruin the internet the adl they they just silence people that disagree with israel's genocide

00:38:06.980 my my sense is kind of more nuanced i think the adl have attacked him for for censoring you know i'm

00:38:12.520 against censoring for free speech i do think there's been and obviously you disagree which i

00:38:17.100 respect there's been a rise in more anti-semitic attacks and that happens after every war i'm sure

00:38:21.900 happened after 9-11 does that mean that free speech like what yay is saying should be banned and he

00:38:27.800 should be censored even if i disagree with what he's saying obviously it's a free speech absolutely i

00:38:32.680 don't think it should and there's worse things that we should deal with in the world as you're saying

00:38:36.360 there's multiple wars that we're dealing with there's famine in different countries there's

00:38:39.280 still war in congo with no one's talking about these things in my opinion are more important

00:38:43.540 than a song that offends people doesn't make the song okay um but this one we agree with there are

00:38:48.160 worse things in the world i'll let you quickly respond to this you don't think the song is okay

00:38:52.860 no man i just think it's um again as someone that if you you know if we talk privately etc you'll find

00:39:00.500 like i have again a dark human but the the limits i put is i don't want to offend you i don't want to

00:39:05.260 hurt people now i believe in free speech but i also it's my personality i just don't if i know

00:39:11.260 someone's bothered by something like i'm not going to call someone fat even if they are fat i won't

00:39:15.300 call them fat if it hurts them now you might make the argument yeah but you should tell them the truth

00:39:18.960 okay if they're fat tell them they're fat so they can act on it that's one argument you can make

00:39:22.480 but i just think that there's certain lies especially when it comes to hitler and and you know

00:39:27.580 one of the most horrific people of of uh of the past century or so and bringing that up when

00:39:33.800 there's still wounds from that is not something i'd advocate for but so the song is bad because

00:39:41.300 it mentions hitler mainly yes and embracing nazism i'm i'm against nazism i'm sure you would be as

00:39:50.880 well nazism as in the movement of extreme you know whites racist whites and similar nazism as what

00:39:57.240 hitler advocated during world war ii okay um well obviously he's not white so it's like is he really

00:40:05.280 in true true now i understand i understand i'm not saying he is a nazi i'm not saying he is nazi so i

00:40:10.320 think he so this is what i'm trying if i had to to give my opinion i really don't think he hates jews

00:40:16.240 i don't think he is a nazi i think obviously he has he's admitted to having bipolar he's spoken

00:40:22.700 about it before kim kardashian's spoken about it before and i think um when i looked into it

00:40:26.740 looked into the condition spoke to to my girlfriend who's um who deals with a lot of

00:40:32.580 kids with special needs kind of explained it to me we looked through the symptoms and said to me that

00:40:36.940 these are um symptoms of someone with bipolar um i want to get your thoughts on that how big overall

00:40:43.040 do you think is the bipolar um excuse we're playing this uh i i don't think whatsoever but

00:40:51.200 before you i want to see like where your moral compass lies with music is like you're saying that

00:40:55.680 you're not okay with the song what about heavy metal what about you know what about satanism in

00:41:01.300 music are you okay with that like flavor i'm um yeah but it's a meeting not okay with it so i'm if

00:41:08.540 i'm not okay with something doesn't mean i think it should be censored so i just want to make my

00:41:12.180 it stands clear if i don't find this song okay because it offends a lot of people i still think

00:41:17.440 it should be out there and then people could decide whether they want to listen to it or not

00:41:20.740 because the more you censor something in my opinion the more you feed it am i okay with let's say music

00:41:25.260 about shooting other people no i just i just don't think it adds any value to society but it's not

00:41:31.980 censored now i used to listen to songs that that um you know rap music when i was a kid i'm not a

00:41:37.220 criminal i've never hurt someone in my life but i used to listen to that music um and it didn't make

00:41:42.960 me to a bad person so i think censoring it doesn't add value to society could do the opposite you

00:41:47.660 agree that it should be allowed on dsps yes yes again i am a free speech absolutely so i think it

00:41:52.820 should be allowed and people could could criticize him people would make songs against him people

00:41:57.540 people could interview him and challenge him people people could do what pierce morgan did yay could

00:42:01.840 decide whether he wants to come on shows like that or not um i wish that interview went like his

00:42:07.200 first interview with pierce one that was a really good interview um the one the first one between

00:42:11.780 pierce and yeah i enjoyed that one um i wish it went the same way so i think you just fight speech

00:42:16.460 with speech and censoring hasn't led society anywhere and i think x leaving the video there even

00:42:21.560 obviously i'm sure that most of the team on x disagree with the video they kept the video there and i

00:42:25.860 respect that even though he's really heavily shadow banned it's hard to find his account if you're not

00:42:31.500 already this is a different debate like yeah this is a different debate like it's shadow banning is

00:42:35.860 is a whole different discussion that's it's that's where it gets really tricky like where do you draw

00:42:39.600 the line i don't know i don't have the answer and i'm still experimenting i keep changing my opinion

00:42:43.740 slightly here and there where would you draw the line i asked you the question but i didn't let you

00:42:48.360 answer it there's no line there's no line so if i make a song if i make a song right now about

00:42:55.420 um killing you and i just advocate for people to find you and kill you you'd say i'm killing anyone else

00:43:01.140 direct incitement of violence that's it that's the i saw which i agree with i think is it fair to

00:43:06.680 say anything that's illegal should be censored it should be banned like if it's it's illegal for

00:43:11.820 example to incite violence that's where you draw the line there's music i mean that you're just

00:43:16.720 removing genres if you're talking about crime like there's every song ever has you know they're

00:43:23.420 always talking about crime yeah it reminds me of that scene of the movie um what's that band and

00:43:28.940 ice cube and the others not naz i can't remember the name or bad names yes uh and words with

00:43:36.320 attitude nwa okay there it is um and there's a movie about it remember they were about to go on

00:43:42.440 on stage and perform a song and the police wanted to stop them and threatened to arrest them i don't

00:43:46.340 know if they ended up arresting them it's kind of reminds me of of those days where songs that we

00:43:51.300 consider normal today were being censored back then i'm not saying yeah song is the same as as that

00:43:56.120 one but i'm saying it's like the comparison is there and the push the boundary george carlin

00:44:00.940 back in the 70s big fan of connor big fan george carlin was arrested for swearing too much and that

00:44:09.460 sparked it a bit to be able to swear during jokes yeah there's pictures of him getting arrested leaving

00:44:13.020 a comedy club because he used too many expletives right but it's comedy so you can't tell me this is

00:44:18.700 a place where speech is supposed to thrive um all right so so we'll go to the um to his mental health

00:44:26.360 challenges um so he does have bipolar disorder so you said um as we're having a separate discussion

00:44:32.900 you said that this doesn't play a role in the things he says is that your interpretation

00:44:37.780 yeah i don't want to to go too deep into that i don't i've been around a long time and it's like

00:44:45.100 the question is usually like okay is he crazy is he insane it's like well i mean to be an autistic

00:44:51.020 genius at that level like yeah you're probably a little crazy but then what is that what what does

00:44:56.260 crazy mean what is is anybody who's going to innovate to that level are they not going to be

00:45:00.700 called crazy by everybody else it's like you kind of should be if you're not called crazy then you're

00:45:05.820 never going to change anything so i just say bipolar should he be hospitalized it does he have

00:45:12.580 is he mentally ill that conversation i think are i think it's mostly entertained by people that want

00:45:17.340 to shut him up when they see that censorship doesn't work their next method is to just lock

00:45:21.920 him away put him in a hospital put him on meds send him to zombie land harley pastor and i texted yay

00:45:26.460 and said if you don't comply i'm going to send you to zombie land and that's when they take hollywood

00:45:30.480 celebrities that are acting out that are not abiding by their rules and they put them under medication

00:45:34.560 that keeps them sedated enough to follow rules and i don't know if you've seen these videos of

00:45:40.080 brady spears dancing around looking like this like that's they put her under these medications they

00:45:45.140 they medicate her so that she could follow the rules and so she could stay on the leash of these

00:45:50.240 of these executives so that's why i think it's a very dangerous path to call people mentally ill when

00:45:56.640 we don't really know there's something i always say you know actions speak louder than words as i said to

00:46:01.220 you i've have for me i just humans are humans i'm very very open-minded i don't really care if you

00:46:06.520 like to sleep with men women i don't really care um as long as you're good to other people how simple

00:46:12.360 i am and you said that yay has you know jews that work with him um i really want to stress on that

00:46:18.100 point have you ever seen him be discriminate against him in any way yeah it appears asked me a question

00:46:25.180 he's like uh do you think it's funny that he says he wants to whip jews and i'm like yeah there's

00:46:29.060 there's jews here that work and they haven't been whipped it's like there's a no there's there's

00:46:33.840 no mistreatment of anyone if there was what would he say but why would he say that why would he say

00:46:37.540 that's funny it's funny you gotta whip it's just it's just a funny joke that's it if like i'll tell

00:46:43.060 you if there was any if there was i gotta say this this is the best work environment that i've ever

00:46:46.720 been in my life i thought i was gonna be here for three for three days and it's been three weeks

00:46:50.940 i'm still in spain i have a whole life back home i was supposed to have a fight in two days

00:46:54.760 i have was you know i i have two apartments one in miami one in new york i have my whole life i

00:46:59.620 was making videos every day in new york i was streaming all the time in miami going back and

00:47:03.860 forth but this is the best work environment i don't think it's i will be able to find again

00:47:08.420 the the most uh creative inspiring place that i've that i've ever seen and i really wish i'm not i'm

00:47:15.240 not just saying this to glaze or anything but i just like personally to you like this this place is

00:47:19.960 like one day people are going to write books about this it's it's absolutely incredible and

00:47:24.680 when the show comes out on um towards the end of the month i think people are really going to be

00:47:28.940 blown away and what's the show about is that his life i don't want to i don't want to say too much

00:47:35.740 about that yeah i'm not sure um how secretive that that stuff is i spoke to someone that a close

00:47:40.680 friend of mine he's um he's also knows yay well and he worked with him i'm trying to remember

00:47:45.040 something he told me when he was working with yay like he said we just like we were crying laughing

00:47:49.040 when he's telling me the stories of his experience working with yay i can't remember what it was

00:47:52.820 he um i think he um fuck i'm trying there it is let me listen i'm on an interview now live with

00:48:00.040 sneaker what was can i put you on speaker and you tell me the story of you and yay what happened when

00:48:04.720 you were working with him yeah now can i put you on speaker and you say all right let me let me put

00:48:10.120 you on speaker i'll bleep your name out of the interview so no one knows it's you all right what was

00:48:13.680 the the go see the sun can you say that story with yay very briefly what what did yay say

00:48:18.220 yeah so what's up nico so like uh too long didn't read like i was in the office with like one of my

00:48:25.260 friends and um uh yeah was uh um yeah was being yay and uh like uh my friend uh like at some point

00:48:32.640 he just shut off the electricity of the entire building because he was fed up with everyone i think

00:48:37.460 that was also the day when he fired his entire like filming crew um that's in the in in the downtown

00:48:43.260 office in la they had like this big warehouse they had where he also showed the campaign with future

00:48:48.740 i don't like emerge uh anyways so like uh and then my homie went to him and he was like yo um

00:48:54.680 like i cannot work i don't have you know electricity like you know my computer ran out of battery

00:48:59.120 and then he told him like well then go out and find the sun you know it's like uh you know and i

00:49:05.300 go find the sun and you know charge it you know using you know renewable energy that's basically

00:49:09.280 where he told him and then you know my homie just left and i went to like um and then we went to

00:49:14.760 saw a house downtown so that was it and that's the short version and the environment working with

00:49:20.360 yay was it was fun funny how was it positive

00:49:22.700 can you hear me very honest like yeah yeah no no like i said it was it was a big mix like i was once

00:49:34.200 in the room uh with him and then uh we were working and then there was a like a bunch of like

00:49:39.200 you know like he has a lot of clothes on the floor you know and like sorted by colors and stuff you

00:49:43.140 know like in his calabasas office and then i think jay prince came as well and then you know he was he

00:49:48.380 was just like talking about you know like the colors he asked me about which color palette i like

00:49:53.100 the most and then i don't know like i answered like they were all looking the same for me it's like

00:49:56.400 some dark blue they all look the same to me right and then you know all of a sudden he starts

00:50:00.160 crying because one color also reminded him of his dad you know when he was like younger so like it

00:50:05.340 was and then he just like okay and then the next minute he's in a good mood again and he jumps on

00:50:09.260 the skateboard he just fucks off you know like it's a it was just like a constant up and down

00:50:13.500 i appreciate it but i think all in all all in all yeah i think all in all it was it was still a great

00:50:19.920 experience i mean you work with one of the biggest producers on the planet like one thing that i've

00:50:23.780 learned is he had like thousands of like you know um consultants like at his team but like what he

00:50:28.240 really does he just produces ideas he gets the best people to basically produce whatever he has

00:50:32.820 in his head and that's why he is here i appreciate it man thanks bro i'll get back to the interview

00:50:36.960 um yeah so did you hear were you able to hear it properly i've never done this before

00:50:42.380 you're fine it's uh go find the sun you know

00:50:45.560 i was just dying he's like the laptop didn't have bad me the guy's like i think that's what he said

00:50:51.340 and he went like yeah what do i do do you have a charger he's like no go find the sun

00:50:54.420 so the guy was just lost trying to be what to do um but yeah so um did you have that the kind of

00:51:00.920 those ups and downs obviously i don't want to talk too much about his his uh mental health i was

00:51:04.600 editing uh i was editing the music video and i randomly get a text this around dinner time and

00:51:09.780 i'm like super locked in and it was like the the third i've already done two streams of them at that

00:51:14.880 day and i get a text it says i want to stream right now about how much i hate asparagus and beets

00:51:20.340 so i close my computer i go all the way up there and like he's like he's there's asparagus and beets

00:51:25.000 on the table he's like i don't want to stream it anymore i'm like fuck so i go back get my camera

00:51:29.660 and then he goes on this big rant he just wants to record it about how much he hates asparagus and

00:51:33.960 beets and how pointless uh how pointless these these vegetables are and then i think someone got fired

00:51:40.480 whatever chef that i think the chef that served the beets got fired like

00:51:45.080 word of advice uh no beets frost and flakes are very good beats very bad so you'll be staying

00:51:53.960 there in spain for for longer who knows i mean to be honest marty like any day could be my last

00:51:59.480 since i've been here it's been i've seen so many people come and go oh wow yeah it's like it's a

00:52:05.480 completely different team now than it was it's there's a lot of i mean no not just because people

00:52:09.960 get fired but because there's new things that he's working on and new areas of focus that

00:52:13.760 need attention but yeah there's a lot of people that are not here since when i first arrived so

00:52:17.900 who knows i could get fired right now for doing for revealing too much in this interview yeah good

00:52:21.900 thing though is is anything you said we can send it to you and you can take out any i think it was

00:52:27.080 all good let's let's let's leave i thought this being live streamed no no i don't live stream because

00:52:30.720 obviously when i do political interviews they might say shit then they have to kind of shit fuck i can't

00:52:34.880 say that you know we're still negotiating the war or whatever so i always give that option to anyone

00:52:39.020 i interview and plus it's also respecting you know the guests give me their time and their trust so

00:52:43.400 obviously can't break that trust if you give me an aha moment and you're like yeah but i want to

00:52:47.680 take it out because it could get me in trouble or i've revealed something i shouldn't i'm not going

00:52:51.180 to keep that moment just get a few more clicks um just one one more thing just about yay it kind of

00:52:56.220 goes to to what my friend was saying on the phone is you can see those ups and downs goes back to his

00:53:01.280 health condition which we don't want to talk about too much but on one side yay said once he says

00:53:06.940 and i see good things about hitler and he says i love nazis and then i when i wake up i'm going defcon

00:53:12.540 three on jewish people continue saying more things but but then other another another interviews or

00:53:17.060 another tweet he says he loves everyone he says positive things i love people i love everyone

00:53:20.680 um with that dichotomy what would you make of it is that just him going through his ups and downs

00:53:26.960 it's like everyone is so pr trained that they don't see like this is how everyone is i'm sure like the

00:53:33.400 way you talk to your family or your wife or your your kids i don't know the people you're closest to

00:53:38.240 doesn't that kind of reflect the way he talks about people whether if you if you like under a

00:53:43.260 microscope you analyze all the conversations that i've had with my brother my blood brother it would

00:53:47.820 sound like i hate this guy and then at the same times you can look at it and be like oh you absolutely

00:53:51.100 love this guy this is one of the most important people in the world because the people you love

00:53:54.480 you have difficult conversations with you say things that are have hatred in them like the arguments

00:54:00.780 you have when you argue with your wife and stuff and you're really close to like you want to hit her and

00:54:04.440 you think about the chris brown moment and so you don't and you you hold back and then you talk it

00:54:08.220 out and she's crying and then she says something that's so personal about your childhood that it

00:54:13.700 just drives you insane and you're running around maybe you punch a wall or something those difficult

00:54:18.400 conversations that are you know the highlight of romantic movies that happen that's how we speak

00:54:24.180 to people that we love right and because we love them if you didn't love somebody you wouldn't

00:54:29.340 also say things out of anger you wouldn't say things with hate and so everyone's so pr trained

00:54:34.040 because oh i don't want to say nigga i'm not to put you in the spotlight i don't want to say no

00:54:37.160 you're right you're right you're right because it's going to offend people yay has removed all

00:54:41.680 those filters let's let's be the most honest version of myself if i'm a yay says like i'm a cuck so he's

00:54:47.720 going to talk about being a cuck he's going to talk about nitrous he's going to talk about the pain

00:54:51.140 with his kids his bank his weird fantasies how he views um sex women life the industry everything

00:54:58.700 is completely honest because it's therapeutic to get it out there i see how he is after a tweet

00:55:03.740 storm and he's just the most calm guy you you will like see your timeline it's just like all caps

00:55:08.720 rage rage rage and then he's sitting here just like at dinner just it was like just eating because he

00:55:13.640 when you hold it back when you like tighten up with all these thoughts that you're not allowed to say

00:55:17.800 and you let the programming decide what you think you're not really yourself i think he's one of the

00:55:22.760 most honest people in the world why wouldn't he make an interview then um so i i do want to wrap it up

00:55:28.340 but just one more thing is that why would he make an interview where he just opens up says

00:55:31.960 very clearly maybe talks to someone jewish who's interviewing him and just says like explains

00:55:37.800 different things like explains them the way you did i think you did a good job explaining that people

00:55:41.940 could still disagree with you could still hate yay and what he says but say the positive things say

00:55:46.880 very clearly like i don't think all jews are bad i don't think jews control the world i don't hate

00:55:51.500 all jews i don't want to hurt any jew i hate the ones that hurt me like just make those points clear or

00:55:55.860 does he just not want to do that does he not want to do what someone can do it so easily and it's

00:56:01.580 actually yeah i mean you you're probably you have the capability to it would be done so easily but

00:56:07.380 everyone has an agenda when they sit down there they're thinking about their sponsors their deals

00:56:11.080 and the people that they want to appease and so they let the greed take over them and they turn the

00:56:15.460 interview into a gotcha moment instead of a genuine conversation if the platform was offered to him the

00:56:20.520 right way 100 he would do but everyone i think he did an interview with that fake engineer guy

00:56:25.640 that uh uh elon's friend uh what's his name uh the guy he kind of he wears the suit lex friedman

00:56:31.940 this guy this fraud that didn't go well i didn't listen to it that didn't go well it tends to be an

00:56:36.540 ai specialist but it's just like yeah they're not they're not genuine about it like they they want to

00:56:42.160 get the moment where they're like they get him to apologize instead of getting him to to explain

00:56:46.920 him so properly that they want to be the one to get the moment everyone succumbs to greed

00:56:51.560 interesting i'd agree with that point not about lex you know i'd like lex and his interviews

00:56:56.380 but i would agree with the general point that you've made i was interviewing um president kagami

00:57:01.600 of rwanda again that's political but everyone around the world wanted to blame kagami for what's

00:57:06.360 happening in congo i'll tell you how it's relevant to what you're saying that's what everyone was doing

00:57:10.660 i listened to interviews all they were trying to do is to admit that he was involved in the war in congo

00:57:14.940 without giving context without you know trying to understand it from his perspective and when i asked

00:57:20.540 him in my interview i did like a two and a half hour interview with him and i said to him look

00:57:23.520 everyone knows you're involved in congo um but why do you never actually admit it and then and i asked

00:57:29.440 him like i understand your perspective and i understand if if someone's in your shoes why they'd

00:57:33.060 be involved so i tried to explain his position and asked him why he never actually admitted the most

00:57:37.220 obvious thing that everyone knew and he told me like mario i should probably post a clip somewhere but

00:57:41.500 mario um because i know their agenda i know they just want me to admit it so i get into legal trouble

00:57:47.560 i think um international law i don't know what um and then they take that snippet and put those

00:57:52.880 headlines um president of rwanda admits to starting the war in congo whatever it is the headline they

00:57:59.600 want to put without putting the context so he's saying a similar version to this applies to yeah instead

00:58:05.320 of wanting to really understand where he's coming from they just want to get the headline where he

00:58:09.540 apologizes or says something else that's inflammatory that will make the video get 10 million views is

00:58:14.700 that what you're saying exactly so people aren't i mean i think joe's a good example of somebody who

00:58:20.420 was actually curious about it and i think one of my favorite interviews joe rogan the way that he's

00:58:25.700 genuinely curious um last three questions meant to wrap up is um so spending time with yay which is

00:58:32.240 still spending time with him what would you say is one thing that you've kind of seen or learned that

00:58:36.500 you did not expect like okay i did not expect yay to be like this or to do this to say this

00:58:41.340 to be able to organize that many thoughts in his head at once because when you're working on so

00:58:49.700 many different industries simultaneously it's like he'll say one thing and with other people

00:58:54.840 like say you probably you've worked jobs before your boss will say like oh get this pdf done i want

00:59:00.000 this pdf about this and you're like okay and in your head you're thinking like i don't really need to do it

00:59:03.620 right and then the end of the day comes by and then you didn't do it and then you doesn't remember

00:59:07.040 he will be able to organize all this and so it's like he's directing like a movie director

00:59:11.800 in every aspect in fashion and set design of architecture of buildings of music and video

00:59:17.760 film all that at once and he's able to see it all just get this done to get this and so that's why

00:59:22.260 he's able to work with so many people at once is because he already he is able to envision it all

00:59:27.020 simultaneously and can organize that like me i can work in maybe two three times two three things at once

00:59:33.220 filming editing streaming like that my brain is occupied by that many but i think he's able to

00:59:37.920 to organize so many different things at once maybe because he got rid of so many bullshit filters

00:59:43.540 maybe because his brain is not held back by you know nigga or hitler and all this he's got it all

00:59:49.760 away and so he's not clouded by that distraction and he has so much more uh space to to work on every

00:59:57.200 aspect that he's interested in by the way just on that point of of uh you know the

01:00:03.160 media having their own sponsors their own biases and that ends up influencing the way they do an

01:00:07.300 interview you know luckily all my political interviews the way i do my media i don't

01:00:10.520 monetize any of it no advertisers at least not yet but i'm really worried when we start monetizing it

01:00:15.020 you know it gives others the ability to control what we say what we do who we cover

01:00:19.780 um and it's already something it did already like during the gaza war my business went to a standstill

01:00:25.000 because it caused so much drama i'm trying to cover the israeli side and the palestinian side

01:00:29.720 in a very polarizing issue and we have people from both sides in the company we had people leave

01:00:33.640 the company because they were offended from both sides we had israelis and um not palestinians but

01:00:38.540 people that sympathize with them leave the company so um i think the point you're making about having

01:00:43.120 all these different filters because of how society functions the society functions the way it does for

01:00:47.620 a reason uh but i do think it's far from perfect so it's a good point you've made uh on on um you know

01:00:54.400 made earlier about you know interviewers wanting to get an aha moment but last two questions

01:00:58.560 if you were sitting with yay privately right now maybe you've done that already what would be one

01:01:03.400 thing you'd recommend he does you know i said earlier why doesn't he do more of these interviews

01:01:08.420 and really explain his perspective his side what he really means what would you recommend he does

01:01:13.940 or says well i would probably go from the fan perspective because he doesn't really need

01:01:19.520 recommendation one thing he did tell me was that elon musk told him to always take critical advice

01:01:25.700 and so he is really open to to feedback from from everyone one thing that i don't prefer as a music

01:01:36.360 fan is i don't i'm not a huge fan of ai music that's not my thing he's very good at using it but i want

01:01:42.460 to hear i just want to hear the artists i don't want to hear the the program and last question and

01:01:48.360 asked it earlier and but ask it again in a different way for those trying to understand yay so so what he

01:01:54.240 means what he thinks who he is as a person obviously looking at all these media headlines is not the

01:01:59.340 best way to understand anything what would you recommend for them what's your advice to those

01:02:03.680 people

01:02:04.000 i didn't ask for a snippet you gave it to me he gave me the snippet now

01:02:13.680 the song was stuck in my head i'll ask i want you to get you i want to answer answer as well i don't

01:02:19.860 want to end it with a snippet but thanks for the views one thing that um that inspires people

01:02:29.080 or that that allows them to understand him so people like me that were researching him i really

01:02:35.180 struggled to where to look to really understand yay and when i asked chad gpd different questions

01:02:39.920 they're like oh we cannot answer that question so um how can one understand them especially if his

01:02:45.620 songs are being censored and he's being attacked in different ways he doesn't do many interviews

01:02:49.880 where he's not being attacked or he's you know he's not trying he's not getting his point across

01:02:54.640 well is there a way to understand that you think it's a snippet but i think the song explains it

01:02:59.640 i think a song explains it perfectly they froze his bank account they took his kids so he's the

01:03:05.180 villain and so he's he's gonna he's gonna push i mean look he's been doing he's the greatest living

01:03:09.340 artist alive today maybe my favorite artist in history let him cook let him do his thing like how many

01:03:15.300 times how many rappers past 40 even though he's so much more than a rapper how many rappers past 40

01:03:19.520 are still active that's 47 years old still at the top of the game like everyone else is retired or

01:03:25.040 they they open up a drink brand or something that they quit right the guy's not only innovated fashion

01:03:29.680 yeezy overtook jordan he look what he's doing with drone with his futuristic housing look at the way he

01:03:35.520 said look how much he's influenced every artist if you give me any artist alive today you can see the

01:03:41.500 influence that yay has had on them individually so just let him do his thing like he's already been

01:03:47.560 doing this for so long and he you know he hasn't proved us wrong let him cook um one one more thing

01:03:54.560 you said they can you just elaborate on that i didn't ask you that earlier when you say they

01:03:57.980 froze his bank accounts you're referring to jews or specific people that um in this case happen to

01:04:02.980 be jewish just understand your position i don't even know who closes bank i don't know the people who

01:04:07.080 did it i'm saying the people closed so people understand i don't want to put you on the spot

01:04:11.160 just to be clear i just understand so you're saying people close his bank account calls them a lot of

01:04:14.680 anger hate and then he was labeled a certain way so he went with with this song heil hitler and

01:04:19.660 embraced a certain uh image that people created around him to fit into a box to become a zombie to

01:04:26.320 take his kids away from him to throw him in the hospital because he wore a trump hat even when he wore

01:04:30.020 the trump hat in 2016 did he realize that that was so crazy they put him in a hospital nobody else was

01:04:35.460 doing that now you see sexy red wearing a red hat now you see all these low pumps wearing a red hat

01:04:39.540 i voted for trump in 2016 people cut me off for that reason and now it's like the door has been

01:04:43.600 open so people are always needed to go and open the over to window for everybody else to exist in it

01:04:48.900 afterwards let them cook let them do their thing sneaker um if i recommend one thing today is to keep

01:04:56.040 you by his side i think you've answered the questions really well i really enjoyed the interview i was a

01:05:00.900 bit nervous getting into it considering the topic we're discussing and the lyrics of the song

01:05:04.340 um but uh that was a really good discussion man i really enjoyed and i hope you you um you do you

01:05:09.620 should be by his side in more interviews in my opinion

SNEAKO - May 18, 2025

SNEAKO & Mario Nawfal HEATED Debate About Ye & Free Speech

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