SNEAKO - April 29, 2024
SNEAKO & Muslim Lantern Analyze The XQC & Destiny Debate!
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1 hour and 35 minutes
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57
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Summary
Jummah Kutbahaykum is back in the land of Shaytan, back in Miami! We catch up with him after Ramadan, talk about his recent controversy, and what he's been up to since then.
Transcript
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Wa alaykum as-salam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu. How are you, man?
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I'm doing good. I'm back in the land of shaytan, back in Miami. I haven't spoken to you since Ramadan. How are you?
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Alhamdulillah, I'm great. What is the recent controversy that you're in, you know?
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Uh, see, when you say what controversy I'm in, I don't know which one you're talking about. I'm always in something. There's always something going on. So there's like three or four things you can speak about right now.
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Yeah, subhanAllah, this is the thing. Sometimes I'm just scrolling at Twitter and I see some people attacking you randomly or something like that. People always talking about you for some reason.
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I think it's the fact that your name is viral, maybe. That's why they're using you as a means, you know?
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I think a lot of these people are envious. And it is really sad sometimes where you have a streamer at least is doing something or trying to do something good in a way.
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You know, you spend the whole month of Ramadan. It doesn't matter what kind of view they have against you.
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Like no one can come and say, you know, someone spending a whole month collecting money for charity for Palestine is not doing good, you know?
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And these streamers who are, or these people who generally criticize you, like what kind of good have we seen them doing?
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What kind of charity, kind of collections that they have been doing in the last, how many years, you know?
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These people have millions, like thousands, tens of thousands of dollars.
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So it's really surprising sometimes when I see people attacking you for, oh, you're doing this, you're doing that.
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Yeah. I mean, I don't really see it too important to compare.
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So I see people get really upset when I talk about my refusal to take a gambling deal because they see it as a reflection of their own actions.
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But I'm not, when I talk about that, it's not trying to be a personal attack on these people.
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I'm just trying to, I want the audience to know that you don't need to go sell out your morals.
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And, you know, what's better for the world is that you make the right decision.
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And maybe I could do that in a more gracious way.
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I'm trying to approach this content thing more stoically, with more stoicism.
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But what's your overall perception on how I've been handling things?
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And how do you think I could do better and make it more Islamic?
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But, you know, we kind of had like a brief kind of talk about that last time, you know, in a way, right?
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It's like it's impossible to live in the world you're living in and make it Islamic, right?
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It's like the best you could do is to do as best as you can, which is what I can see you trying to do, essentially, right?
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Like, as much as possible, you're trying to avoid to bring like these women that is, you know, doing all of this, you know, prostitute kind of activities online or this or that.
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You're trying to avoid doing that, for example.
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You're trying to bring people who are more educating the people on an intellectual level.
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Because, you know, something which is really funny is like you do not need to be, number one, a clown, number two, using women's bodies in order for you to get views.
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And I think the fact that the whole Western world, in a way, the whole streaming world, I think you have to either do one of these two things in order for you to get views is pathetic.
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It's honestly the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.
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It is an admit of defeat in every level, you know?
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It's an admit that these people have got nothing intellectual to offer, have got no real benefit to the world that they can put forward.
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That's why they have to rely on using women or have to rely on acting in the most ridiculous, crazy type of, you know, childish manner, because this is what gets the clicks.
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Like, and, you know, I don't like using myself as an example, but it's not even just me or anyone in general.
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You see people, brothers, doing dawah, and you'll see them on live streaming, and you'll see them with an average of 7, 8K people watching.
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There is no, you know, jumping like a clown, making monkey noises, acting like you're homosexual, and, you know, like getting all of these, you know, physical objects out of the screen to show someone's butt.
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Yeah, all of this is like crazy stuff that you're about to do right now.
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So there is no need for any of that in order for you to get people interested because you're offering value.
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The difference is you're actually offering value to the world.
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You're helping people who are looking for answers for certain questions.
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So I honestly think it's pathetic when people think that I need a woman, not just a woman.
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I need a woman's body to be very specific there because it's not about the woman.
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Let's see if they're going to bring a woman in a hijab, in a burqa or something.
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You're going to put her in the stream for views.
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They're not going to do that because that defeats the purpose, right?
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It's not about the woman, it's about using the woman's body in that way.
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For the viewers who are sadly pathetic most of the time and got nothing going on in their life,
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so they need to see a woman in the screen because they have no real interaction with women in real life.
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So they end up watching this stuff and then getting, you know, excited by watching, you know,
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whatever kind of things that appear on the screen.
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And I think this is pathetic first because they are using their viewers because, you know,
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this woman that comes on the screen, they're using her as an object to get content.
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And then they're using their viewers, the weak mentality of their viewers and the fact that they're not able to get anything.
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So that's why they keep screaming, bring us a woman in the screen.
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This whole scene, this whole kind of streaming world in the West is pathetic.
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And, you know, I did a month straight and they never speak about that.
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A month straight of just doing dawah, completely halal content, like even refraining from things like music.
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We're just a month speaking to sheikhs, speaking to students of knowledge like yourself,
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And then they don't talk about it for a month straight.
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And then for people to still insinuate, like I'm in Mecca, I'm literally streaming in Medina, like in a hacham, all the way over there with half the viewers that I have in America.
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Because it's, you know, it's my religion and people still call me a fake Muslim.
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But I don't really, it doesn't really affect me anymore.
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I'm at the point where I'm just trying to add something good to this conversation because I know how the entertainment is, people want to see that.
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You know, you're going to have to, ultimately, you do have to compromise halal completely to be able to garner a good audience, right?
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Like, for example, think about like the ads that show up.
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If you're going to be scrolling and looking at Twitter, there's going to be music playing.
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If you do debates and stuff like that, you're going to speak at the kafir, or there's going to be women, like there's some semblance of free mixing.
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In order to be a good entertainer, you do have to compromise to some extent.
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Yeah, so I kind of disagree and agree in the same time.
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Like, for example, you say you have to speak to someone who's not a Muslim.
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If I need to speak to someone who's not a Muslim.
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You say, for example, you have to speak to women.
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Okay, there's a difference between, I speak to women on my live streams, but they have their cameras off.
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And I have a discussion with them about what they actually believe and what they actually think and not how their body looks.
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But it's about the idea of why are you talking to women?
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Whatever you follow is most of the time what the algorithm is about to show you.
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What you click on is what the algorithm is going to recommend to you most of the time.
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So if you click on my YouTube, if you open my YouTube, for example, all that is going to appear is the Islamic content.
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If this is what you watch, this is what YouTube will recommend to you, for example, right?
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Because it's like, whatever, it doesn't matter what you follow.
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They're trying to funnel you into some kind of, you know, prostitution online for women or this.
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They're trying to do it either way, whatever you're trying to do.
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That's why I don't even have it on my phone because it's all a plan to do that.
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So there is a level of, in Islam, we don't have this idea of compromise.
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We don't need compromise because Islam allows you all the room that you need.
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The only time you need compromise is Islam is not perfect enough that it allows you the room that you need.
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So the point is Islam has the room, all the room that you need.
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Look, I'm speaking again from an Islamic point of view, and I told you before last time that you're kind of coming from a completely different world.
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So you will have to kind of, you're in the end.
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If you want to continue what you're doing, there has to be a mixture.
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But you're decreasing it as much as you can, which is a very respectful and an honorable thing.
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And I hope in the end, you're able to kind of make it the best way possible, you know, when you're able to.
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And I was wondering, did you get the chance to watch the debate with the 2v1 debate with XQC and Destiny?
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Well, I honestly did not, I, you know, I'll tell you something funny, right?
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I had someone, like, DM me, like, not long ago.
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Like, today, I was just scrolling, and I found it, and someone said,
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I think we had a debate with this person about that, and please tell him not to do this, not do that.
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You know, like, it's funny at the same time, they're thinking that I'm going to call you.
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I understand, this is the thing, I understand you've got this passion to speak about Islam, which is good.
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Like, to tell people about Islam, and to also educate your viewers to speak to these kind of lost YouTubers
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about, like, what Islam is, and a purpose of life, and you shouldn't live, you know,
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and your wife is cheating on you, and you're leaving you, and you're asking for girls' feet, and stuff.
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You should be actually, yeah, you should actually be living a good life, and getting married, and having children,
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So, I appreciate you doing that, and I understand, but sometimes you have to, as I said,
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you have to educate yourself a little bit on the topics, and the points that you make.
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I didn't watch the full thing, but we can watch it, and I didn't get a chance, because-
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Okay, I thought you were going to be able to watch.
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Honestly, there's not really, we could show some highlights, but it's 30 minutes, it's a waste of time.
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Instead of, like, I could ask you, like, what's the most effective way to answer?
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You know, no, no, I think we can watch it, and I'll tell you why we can watch it, because
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Okay, I want to see how you respond, and then also, I want to show you the tactics that they
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It's up to you, of course, in the end, but I want to show you the tactics that they would
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I think it can be highly beneficial, not just for you, but for the people watching as well.
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It's around 30 minutes, though, and I'm supposed to call somebody at 8 o'clock.
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What you can do is you can put it, if you like, on X2 or something, and then we can, you know-
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Hopefully, you can catch what these people are saying.
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Or, you know, we could watch some, you want to watch some clips from it?
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It's up to you, but trust me, it's going to be a lot more beneficial if you watch the
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I can't be homophobic against you if you're not gay.
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Because he'll say that even if the intention...
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He'll say that the intention is determined by knowing whether or not you're actually gay.
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Because he's saying that if he knew you were gay, he wouldn't say the word.
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When you put the prefix behind it, that's what I was saying.
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I don't know about your viewers, but most of the stuff I watch on X2, this is how I
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I know, but these guys, like, they already speak in X2.
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Like, they do that without even the speeding up thing.
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Wait, if somebody says they don't hate gay people, that means they don't hate gay people?
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Since when has that ever been the standard by which we determine somebody's, like, feelings?
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This is the fucking grand finale, 2024, cock-off.
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I think I try to be reasonable about the intention based on what I have in front of me.
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Because intention is impossible to fucking prove, right?
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But it's like, if you have a general feel, it's what the target was, I don't want my community
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Why do you draw the line for the word faggot with your community?
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First question I want to ask you, Muhammad Ali, is it haram to use words like faggot?
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Well, if you're just using it generally, I don't think...
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I wouldn't say that it's necessarily haram, you know?
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Using a term generally is very different as well from specifically using it against someone,
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Well, of course, I think, you know, this is not necessarily a halal behavior to take with
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And because in the end, even if your goal is you actually care about people that you
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You don't want them to start having a defense shield against you because you're insulting
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them rather than actually listening to you and open up and changing their perspective.
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So I would say it's more of a ripple effect if you use these terms with these individuals.
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I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to defend that.
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Isn't that ingrained in not just Islam, but all religions?
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Because if you look up the definition, it's having negative attitudes or a negative attitude
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But are these still going to talk about homosexuality?
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If they are, then let them finish everything and then I'll make some comments on it.
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But the other thing, I think one is because is it something that...
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Isn't it that people agree that you shouldn't hit somebody on it?
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Are broke people or let's say as an insult even, even if you don't know the business
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Is that like a marginalized group in that way?
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Like, okay, so you can change being a faggot.
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When you call Puffman a thug, he can't change his skin color.
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So we're using protected class, but usually it's a proxy for like, these things probably
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So if you make fun of somebody for being broke, right?
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Usually it's because being broke is a bad thing.
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If you make fun of somebody for being fat, well, nobody wants to be fat.
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Like, even fat people don't want to be fat.
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If you make somebody for being gay, well, the implication is that like, being gay must
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The reason that faggots get offended when you say that word is because they don't actually
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No, the reason they get offended is because they think that other people are loading that
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word in a really negative way and they're being hateful with it.
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No, it comes from a deep-rooted shame that they're never going to be accepted for who
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Wait, is that why Muslims are the most fragile people on the internet then?
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Is that when you make fun of their religion, they get so ass-mad about it that they come
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out and they attack literally every fucking person they see?
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You mean to beheading people in a comic book?
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That's not true because you're still walking around and you've made fun of Islam.
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That's because I live in the United States of America, thank God.
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But no, so I'm asking, so then would you say every time a Muslim lashes out at somebody
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because you make fun of their religion, is that because they have a deep-seated shame
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No, I'm saying that the reason that XQC draws a line there, it's not because of this
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morality thing, because nobody wants to be fat, nobody wants to be broke, nobody wants
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Why do they get so offended when you make fun of them?
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Yeah, I was just saying, you stop there just to address this kind of ridiculous, nonsensical claim
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So he's trying to say, he's trying to equate a personal shame to a defense of an idea of
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An ideology is not something that is you, you're saying, this is now the false equivalence
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So when we say, for example, when a Muslim get angry, he gets angry because he has a
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belief in a specific ideology and he believes this ideology is true.
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And then he believes that you are misrepresenting or showing this ideology in a way which it
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So they're passionate about that ideology that they believe in.
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But in the example that you made, there's a sense of shame because it's a personal thing.
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Now, someone can come and say, OK, but religion is a personal thing.
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The difference is it's an ideology that he believes in.
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It is not an action that he's engaging with as a human being.
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So if I'm ashamed, for example, if I do gambling or I steal or I do any of these things, this
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So there is a false equivalence that he's making there.
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But in the end, no one is saying Islam is not teaching you to get angry if just anyone
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This is another straw man that he's making in this analogy.
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So Islam doesn't teach if someone speaks about Islam, then you just go around and do
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Not just with these blue hair people, with all of them.
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Because humans are always inclined to follow something.
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Don't you think that LGBT and this whole, you know, that craziness, that's become their faith
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You can say it has become an ideology for certain people to adopt.
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But if you're talking about the sense of shame, it's not to do with the ideology.
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Like if you call them that, they don't feel ashamed because of their ideology of LGBTQs
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But it's of their personal behavior, personal actions and interaction in that specific act
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It has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
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You said that people get offended for being gay because they're-
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You said that people get offended by being called Muslim because they're-
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The way he debates the culture is he's going to equate being Muslim to being gay.
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If a blue hair destiny calls me a Muslim, nobody's offended.
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If I say, if I call somebody gay and you're not gay, they'll get offended because nobody wants
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They don't want to be around people that are hateful.
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They're upset because you're being hateful towards them.
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The same way that Muslims get offended when you talk about their religion in a negative way.
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Also, I think that they have kind of the right to be upset, right?
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To be kind of shit on for something that they can't change, right?
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It doesn't have to do can't change or can change.
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It doesn't necessarily mean you should attack somebody over their nationality.
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You can change the country you're living in or whatever.
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I don't think it's a good thing to go around just being who you are and getting clapped on
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It can feel bad, but I mean, like, insults are supposed to feel bad.
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The question is, like, what do you want to make somebody feel bad for, right?
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If it's a bad characteristic, so if you think somebody's generally bad because they're like
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a Nazi or a tanky or a brokey or they're fat or whatever, those are all, like, bad characteristics.
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Then you can say, like, oh, well, fuck it.
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Yeah, you can make fun of people for these things.
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If you're making fun of somebody for being gay, the implication is you think that being
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gay is, like, a negative bad characteristic, and that's why you're being bad for it.
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But that's the question I want to ask you.
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Is it Islamic to believe that being gay is bad?
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Before we talk about bad and good, there is an argument that this guy, the other guy is
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I don't know who's, like, his speech is not really clear.
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This guy, the argument he's trying to make is that it's a natural thing to be.
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He's rebutting that by saying it's a problem to shame someone for being themselves, right?
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Where is the evidence that he provided that being homosexual is a natural thing?
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Where is the evidence scientific or otherwise that shows that?
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And by the way, me as a Muslim or you or anyone doesn't need to give evidence for anything
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because they're making the claim that this is an innate position.
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You are making the claim it's an innate position to be homosexual, then provide your evidence.
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Where is the evidence that this is the innate state?
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Like, no one is going to argue is that being heterosexual is innate or not because it's
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And a man and woman engage, they have birth, there's a specific, you know, body parts that
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are created and they're supposed to be in harm in a specific way that God created them to
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But if you want to claim now that something other than that is natural, then where is
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The funny thing is that there is evidence opposite to that.
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So right now, if you try to Google, for example, open another page and try to Google 2019,
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There's no gay gene, but genetics are like the same sex behavior.
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There's specific research that was published in Nature.
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I hope it's still there and they didn't remove it or something.
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No one, anyone who understands anything about science knows what nature is.
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So there was a massive study, billions of dollars paid or millions or however that they
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Because they tried to justify the fact that being gay is actually genetic.
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It's actually something you don't have a control over and you're forced to be that way.
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And they spend these millions of dollars on these studies and they end up, they end up
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themselves admitting that there is no such thing.
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The studies themselves they're making is showing that there's no such thing.
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But not only that, there are studies opposite to that.
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Like for example, there's a book written by two scientists called My Genes Made Me Do It.
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That book has a lot of different studies and they display why this is not an innate thing.
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Like that whole idea that it's a chemical imbalance was debunked, thinking that it's
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something, depression is not something that you just catch, it's something that you choose
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And some of what they do, for example, some of the evidences they use, they bring identical
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Identical twins are almost similar 100% in their genetic makeup.
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And then they bring one twin who is homosexual and the other isn't.
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So how is it a genetic thing when they basically have almost the same genetic makeup, but one
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of them is homosexual and the other is not, the other is straight.
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And they have the same environment of growing up in.
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So these are some of the evidences they display that this is not a natural thing, right?
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There's even a study, a massive study that was done, but it was too against being a political
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It was the study of Dr. Robert Spitzer, which is the father of modern psychology in America.
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And both of them changed to heterosexual tendencies.
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All of them, sorry, changed to heterosexual tendencies.
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He's the father of modern psychology in America, actually.
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He called it a reparative treatment, i.e. repairing something, which is used to be repaired.
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And he had to change the name from reparative treatment.
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And later on, he had to come on and retract the whole study and say, you know what?
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He said, because you cannot know just through the phone if they actually have become heterosexual
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or not, and you cannot know when someone is truly homosexual or not.
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Some nonsense to try to avoid the fact that the findings of this study that he spent years
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on, of speaking to 200 people and all of them, have changed into heterosexual tendencies.
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And, you know, before the 1960s, by the way, homosexuality was a psychological disorder.
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Before the 1960s, before the liberalism and the sexual quote-unquote revolution and all
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the stuff that happened, this was a psychological disorder.
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And they always tied it, the psychologists at that time, they tied it to abuse when you're
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So, for example, lack of father figure when you're growing up abused when you're a child.
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Or maybe they were molested or something, or they had sex young, or they were exposed
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Or they were abused by their own parents, or they don't have a father figure in their family.
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All of these things have been the common factor that has been used in all of these studies
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When the 1960s came, and it became being gay, criticizing it has become politically a sin,
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And gender, and then you had people like Joe Money, and you have people like, you know,
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And Alfred Kenzie, who came and said, you know what, this gender is a social construct.
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So these people, look, it's funny when you trace sometimes, you know, when these people
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come from lineage, you know, it's a different story for a different day.
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They propose this nonsense about that the gender is not really, you know, we don't know what
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You know, you had Joe Money, and these people conducting studies, who are actually trying to get
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pleasure in babies, like in children, who are like, so it was crazy, crazy stuff, you
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But the thing is, look, right now I've provided you like different types of articles and evidences
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You've debunked like pretty much the rest of the debate.
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But he goes on to say like, their position is their morality, because I go, I was trying
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My argument was that all my morality, all my beliefs, they go back to the Quran, Sunnah,
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That's how, you need to have something that hasn't changed in order to figure out right
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Can you skip then the part where they're talking about the age of consent?
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The marriage of the prophet, yeah, the age of consent and this and that.
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But so, like their position is that the morality is always adapting.
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And that's how it can be consistent, because if one year and one decade, being gay is a
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mental illness and then the other decade is not, then you're always going to shift and
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it could easily be corrupted because mankind is, or we're inherently flawed.
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The reason I'm trying to listen to them is, none of them can claim that we're misrepresenting
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their position, but they can, the words of the horse's mouth, you know, take it from
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their own mouth and then debunk what they're saying.
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Um, and then can I add, um, I want to add, uh, this, this guy, Steve will do it to the
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He's, um, not, he's a disbeliever and he wants to learn a little bit more.
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You can add the, you know, when you want to like, it's up to you.
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Sometimes textbooks are wrong, like science, and they have to fix it.
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I should adapt and add new parts of the machine that are stronger machine.
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So your morality could be different tomorrow than it is today?
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Because there are things that we don't know yet about human cognition, psychology, just social viewers.
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We just don't know some things, and we have to adapt to new information in order to cause this harm in the mess.
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Like, even religions update their standards for how they exist and how they are spread amongst their people
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Like, Islam's done this, Christianity's done this.
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And Christianity's been adapted, but that's besides the point.
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You don't think that Islam or Islamic states haven't changed the way, for instance, that they approach, like, Dimi?
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Like, the way that they have, like, other religious groups that live in their countries?
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You're changing morality to politics, and that's not what I'm talking about.
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What do you think Muslim state means that's not involved in religion?
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Do you think that politics and Islam are completely dissociated from one another?
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They don't have anything to do with each other?
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You saying that it's changing, that's sort of an example of politics changing the religion.
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Look, now here you need to know what is the debate tactics.
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I see you falling for easy tricks there, which is a big problem, right?
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So this guy, what he's done there is a very easy debate tactic that they use with people,
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The problem is you went with the flow, with whatever he said next, you went with it.
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So first, he went from Islam to Islamic State, right?
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And then he went from Islamic State to politics.
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And then he claimed that politics and Islam has nothing to do with each other.
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You've never made that claim in the discussion.
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And he keeps jumping in different hoops and changing his position.
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And these sneaky people, they use terms, right?
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And they try to combine different terms with each other.
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He knows that Islam and Islamic State are completely two different things.
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That doesn't mean that in Islam, we don't have a political system.
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But what we mean is that the actions that the state does is not representatives of the religion.
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If some states is doing something, it doesn't mean that Islam has approved it.
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And that's why these states are disagreeing with one another, which is approved by itself.
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They're not taking one source in how they behave, right?
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They're not taking the Quran and the Sunnah.
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What you should have done is you should tell him you should stop jumping from...
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You say you jumped from this, which is what I've done with you.
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You say to him, look, you jumped from first saying Islam into the political state and
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then jumping from the political states to politics and then claiming that politics is
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not part of Islam, which is a claim I never made.
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And you say to him, let's stick to the first claim that we were talking about.
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When you say Islam changes, you made the claim that the religion changes.
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And don't tell me the state because this is not the definition of the religion.
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The revelation is taken by every Muslim's belief from the sources, which is the Quran and
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These are written and 1,400 years ago and we have them today.
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I'm going to call him first and then can I add you to the call in about 15, 20 minutes?
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I'll call you earlier so that we can do more of this review because I respect your intellect
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Yesterday, we had a Twitter space and they were suggesting that I have more of these conversations
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frequently to be able to get the reps and stuff like that.
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Because I just want to make sure that I represent Islam as well as I can because I'm a very
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new Muslim, but I'm going to be doing these debates more.
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And we can maybe next time talk about the Aisha's age thing because we didn't address
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So we can talk about it, but more in time because we are short of time.
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I'll be waiting around if you need me, inshallah, when you talk to Steve.
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Okay, yeah, because I want to give him some dawah, but I think it's going to be too
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much, I don't want to bombard him with two, you know, I'll...
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I know, I know, but that does go back to what we were saying about like the...
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No, no, no, I mean when you feel like you're defeated, it was very hard to let go.
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He's going to come back maybe in two minutes again.
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So, basically, what I heard is the elephant in the room, and why Christians are talking
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about, like, kind of feel defensive about, you know, the fact that Islam is the fastest
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growing religion is the fact that that OnlyFans girl went on Daily Wire with Michael Knowles
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The former prostitute, her name is Nala or whatever, and now she's saved, and she gets
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So, I think some Christians feel defensive about the fact that, you know, after doing all
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these degenerate things, that they can use the safety net of Christianity and, you know,
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not take accountability and be saved and forgiven completely.
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But also, before you talk about that, I don't know if you heard about that.
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You understood what I actually said, but he was, like, making a complete different statement
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And I was saying, even in Islam, even any, like, faith, people can turn back always to
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And it's a very simple, well-known fact, you know.
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If you start, guilt start seeking, you know, and creeping up to you, then you start, you
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But I don't want to, within the love speech community, I don't want to focus on the division
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between Christianity and Islam, because it's better.
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Even it says in the Quran, it's better that people are believers and disbelievers.
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The same debate review, I can give you, okay, let's do it quickly, inshallah.
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Okay, we can do, like, 30 minutes or something, inshallah.
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I should have added you to the call with Steve earlier.
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That was, like, I've never, like, felt so bad about something on a stream.
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Yeah, I was honestly going to, like, explain to him the same thing that I was going to explain to you right now.
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I don't think, I think you should tell him because I think he asked you this question.
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And I think the reason he asked you this question is he's feeling himself that he's not being 100% able in the current state that he's in.
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So I think he needs a bit of direction to know that, to take things easy now and, you know, relax a little bit and to feel that he's, like, there's a lot of emotions, like, hectic.
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But what do you think, what is the Islamic belief around, like, I mean, he did literally yesterday, he was publicly slandering me.
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Like, he was trying to get people to, he was calling me a liar, scumbag.
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Like, he was insulting me publicly on Twitter quite a bit.
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It makes perfect sense because you see his state right now.
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I think a lot of it, I think a lot of it is projection.
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It's, like, he's living this life of gambling and perhaps you talk against gambling.
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You talk about, essentially, you're not talking about him, but you talk about everything that he does.
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So a lot of it is going to be problematic because of that.
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And, yeah, it will creep in when you know it's right, when you know gambling is not good.
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It will creep in and then he will have a reaction.
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So it makes sense that he will go online and say different things, which probably he doesn't mean.
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Like, what's the Islamic ruling on forgiveness and about defending yourself and extending this?
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Because the reason why people like him feel comfortable attacking me publicly is because I think,
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I genuinely think I'm held to a different standard than other influencers.
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Like, I, like, he goes online and attacks and then people assume that I should be good-hearted and not, you know,
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I think you're the pinata of the streaming world, essentially.
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Essentially, this is how they look at you in a way.
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And it's easy because everyone is criticizing you.
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So at what point should I, like, defend myself?
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Even when you talk to him, you could defend yourself.
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You could say that it doesn't make sense to do this online and it doesn't make sense to say what you said.
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You could even get him to say he's sorry because he did something which is wrong.
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Let's go to the age of consent part because that's probably the best.
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I'll make sure I don't scroll past it again, inshallah.
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Okay, but why do you think that you stopped there at this word?
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It's because being on Twitter, I'm not saying that you have a contract for it, but being on this website so long with people that run it that also don't believe in God, they always...
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No, then we start tolerating crazy things, right?
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If it always updates and changes, we don't know where we draw the line.
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If we never update our morality, like Disney said, people would be fucking kids now and it would be accepted.
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It's a very important point that you should bring up.
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Because if I say yesterday I believed that stealing was wrong and today I believe stealing is right, that means that stealing in itself is not right or wrong.
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His community just told him today that you could have completely annihilated him with the statement that he made.
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There's an objective morality that exists outside of people's actions.
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So the fact that it can change means that there is no morality.
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And when he makes the statement and says that this is the case, for example, you could say to him that you go back before the 1960s, what was the position towards homosexuals?
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They were stoning them and actually killing them publicly.
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And then later on it changes because of the society.
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So essentially he's saying if the society says something is right, it's right.
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So if society says it's okay to get married at the age of 10, it becomes okay.
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If society says it's okay to do whatever it is, incest, then it becomes okay.
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And you've got in the U.S. now in certain courts, people pushing cases of them wanting to do incest or to get married to their cousins.
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Not cousins because cousins we don't consider incest, but let's say to their sisters or to their mothers or whatever it is.
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I'm sure that's happened to you before when the age of consent thing comes up.
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So I think it was a little bit earlier, right, Chad?
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Is that a real question or is that a control one?
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I don't know why you just asked him now, but I'm sure you asked him a very good question.
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Because what he did is he wanted you to repeat the question.
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And this happened psychologically is where you want to think about something.
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So you asked to give yourself more time to think.
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It is not guided by some book or some scroll or some fucking writing in the sky.
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If morality is subjective, depending on your own opinions, there's no right and wrong.
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If he says that X is wrong, like whatever term he's saying using the word F-A-G-E is wrong,
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And both of you can be right in a subjective morality worldview.
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You cannot say this statement is objectively wrong to be said.
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So essentially, if he says to you, it's what I like.
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There's nothing that holds my objective morality.
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Then he cannot make any moral arguments against you.
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There is no moral arguments you can make unless there is an objective standard.
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How do you know what's right and wrong if you don't get it from God?
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Ah, you see, you asked him the question about morality, which is the most important thing.
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Which would be a very difficult question for the atheists because the atheists in the end has to think...
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And when they do, they realize it's just from their society, from their community, from their upbringing,
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And therefore, he cannot tell you this is right or wrong anyways.
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You asked the question, but you didn't make the point.
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About the fact that when he said to you that morality can be relative and this and that,
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Then what's the point why you keep saying this is right or wrong anyways?
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Is that a real question or is that a controller?
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Just overall, just morality, values, just overall worldviews, just generally what I know about society and history.
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So which historians are good, which ones are bad?
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You're saying that that's where you get it from.
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How do you know who's good and who's bad in history?
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Dude, I try to navigate the world with what I know overall.
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And I get to them as much as I can with what was taught to me, what the schools tell me, what society.
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And I try to go above and beyond to fucking learn more about the world.
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I mean, if you take only your morality from some book that was written a long time ago, I mean, you're bound to be maybe outdated on some of it, no?
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Yeah, this is the point that we're making, right?
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He said, you essentially said to him that you're taking your morality from school.
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Then, okay, if you're bound to take your morality from a book, then you're bound to be wrong.
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Yes, if that book was not God's word, but this book is God's word.
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And therefore, it cannot be wrong in any way, shape, or form.
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And by definition, whatever he determines and says will always be true and always be right.
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But in his worldview, killing 2,000 years ago can be right, but today is wrong.
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Slavery can be 2,000 years ago right, but today is wrong.
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Because society at that time decided that slavery is right.
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I should have brought up the changing moralities of human moralities throughout history.
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But when you say historians, for example, this is not what you should.
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Basically, you should hammer the correct point.
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No, no, and then we update it, and let's be real.
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I said you updated it, and that's the reason why you're drawing the line.
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Okay, so you didn't give me an answer to where you get your morality from.
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I told you, from the information I haven't given, navigating the world.
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So it's always updating, and it's always changing.
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No, he just conceded that his morality is always updating.
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But he didn't say the problem with the morality was updating.
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I like some of you guys who like the word man and male.
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Because I think overall, mankind strives to be better.
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Sometimes textbooks are wrong, like science, and they have to fix it.
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I try to adapt and add new parts of the machine.
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So your morality could be different tomorrow than it is today?
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Because there are things that we don't know yet about human cognition, psychology, just social
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We just don't know some things, and we have to adapt to new information.
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Also, literally, even religions literally do this.
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Yeah, but the thing is, you see, he said science, and he made a big, huge, a huge blunder
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there, which is confusing science, which is basically a tool that we use to study the
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And the reason it changes is because not having enough information, enough input regarding
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For example, you increase, you know, you have a number of data, and then you need to increase
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When you get more data, you realize that your previous conclusion was incorrect.
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Like, killing innocent people from the probably first human being until today, is it different?
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It's not about, like, gaining more information.
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Morality is not relative in that sense, that it changes based on the amount of data that
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And this is a huge blunder that is making confusing morality with the scientific method.
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It's completely, completely ignorant, I would say.
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Okay, um, well, they give me the timestamp, give me the timestamp, uh, ways Bronson for
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Yeah, come on, wait, wait, wait, wait, make a answer, yeah, don't bail him out.
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Because it's not how a relationship, because God says it's wrong.
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So, Sneeko, no, no, no, wait, this is so easy.
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So, if God tells you that you can fuck kids, like he did with, uh, Muhammad or whatever,
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No, no, no, I'm asking you, if God tells you, Sneeko, I think that fucking kids is okay,
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then you would change your mind on it tomorrow.
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There has to be a justification for everything.
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If you're talking about the need for a justification, then that means something's not good because
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It's only good because he's giving you whatever the justification is.
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So, God saying things doesn't mean anything, then.
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Yeah, I see, he says a lot of words, like, in an emotional, so what are you saying right
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It's not, he's wrong and he's not wrong in the same time.
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Which is, the idea of the justification is needed.
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So, we don't, we don't, we just follow God blindly?
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Yeah, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna comment this, so I'm gonna, about to explain that.
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Morality, objectively, which is what you said in the beginning, which is perfect, is
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that morality is based on the Quran and the Hadith, it's based on God.
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Now, he asked you a question, what if God says, do this hideous act, whatever hideous
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Now, we say that this question itself is nonsensical.
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Because the attributes of God, by definition, mean that he will never, he will never command
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Therefore, this is a ridiculous argument, just like, can he create a rock that he cannot
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If he's all-powerful, then this question is nonsensical.
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So, the same, he's making the same nonsensical question.
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And then you change your position, which is an issue.
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You should double down and say, yes, it will give, whatever God commands is right, but
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God will never command something wrong because of his nature, of good nature, just nature.
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Do you say about Allah that which you do not know?
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So, Allah is telling us in the Quran, Allah does not order that immorality or indecency
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because, by definition, his nature would, by necessity, that he does not command these
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I would say, yes, still, morality is objective, yes.
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Yeah, I know, and I know I've debated him so many times over the years that I know that's
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what he does, just shift the goalposts and ask questions that kind of derail you from
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But he does it so often, so fast, and I'm debating two people at the same time.
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I'm trying to go and speak to him about this word and his morality.
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And then here, it's like, it's, um, it's a little...
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Yeah, and he screams, and then there's a justification then for why pedophiles is
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No, I said that, and then he screams and laughs, and this is the same thing that was happening
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There has to be a level of moderation where you allow the other person to respond and
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But this happens usually when people are afraid.
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They don't want to allow you to have your time to speak.
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Yeah, they're talking over and interrupting me and, like, insulting and stuff, yeah.
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If he agrees to this idea that it's based on consent...
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Okay, I'll ask him, what is the definition of consent?
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Google right now, according to the U.S. law, for example, what is the definition
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Because, you know, all of these problems happen in cases, like...
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Consent, permission for something to happen, or agreement to do something?
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The verb says give permission for something to happen.
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No, but they're not going to accept this definition, because some definitions...
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No, you should say according to U.S. law, not just the definition of consent.
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Consent is agreement or permission expressed through affirmative, voluntary words or actions
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that are mutually understandable to all parties involved to engage in a specific sexual act at a time.
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Consent can be withdrawn at any time as long as it is clearly communicated.
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Yeah, so even that definition is different than the one I saw.
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When you Google, when he says consent, this is a very big term when he uses.
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According to the law, what is consent according to the U.S. law is not even agreed upon.
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And some of the definitions they will say to you, for example, consent is something to do with, you know,
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being able to make a decision or something like that.
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And then they don't define how do we determine who is able to make a decision, who is not able to make a decision.
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We're saying in general, when do you determine that someone is able to make his decisions?
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And if you just say that consent is agreeing to something, then this can happen for anyone at any age when they're able to communicate, essentially.
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So when he ever uses the term consent, this is an issue.
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I was the one who brought it up, though, because I fell into the trap.
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So I wouldn't even go into that debate, to be honest.
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He wouldn't ever ask us to do something that is disgusting.
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Basically, whatever God does is based on what God is.
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So if this is the case, then you don't do anything opposite to these attributes, by definition.
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There's no purpose for a man to kiss another man.
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Listen, if you need a book to tell you not to fuck kids, I don't know what to tell you.
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But most people can figure out why it's wrong on their own.
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And you got to the answer in the end, which is good.
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You got to the answer in the end, which is good.
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Why is it, then, that homosexuality, which can be practiced between two consenting adults,
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The answer is because Allah says it's wrong.
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But I fell into the trap last time of saying consent, so now I have to give, like, the
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Even if you put this stupid US definition about consent that can be withdrawn at any time,
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there's a woman, she was drunk, and then she says, no, I actually consent, no, I didn't
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consent, and then you have problems happening in law, and it's a whole big problem, actually.
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If you want to search that, even consent in medical operations.
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When is a patient in a, you know, psychological state where is he able to consent to being
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People think these are just words, yeah, I just consent, everyone understand what it
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No, no, there is legalities behind it, because there is laws behind it as well.
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Yeah, I know people in the chat are like, oh, we all know what consent is.
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And also, if women can't consent when they're drunk, but, like, men who are drunk and have
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sex, like, they never are able to withdraw consent.
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What if, like, she's mute and she can nod her head?
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So, the answer for these disbelieving questions, that always goes back to Allah.
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The moral question is always back to Allah.
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And the fact is, any atheists you can ask, this is their destruction of their worldview,
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because none of them can give you an objective standard for morality.
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In the end, all of them will say morality is subjective in any way, depending on society.
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Because it's just your opinion and my opinion can be different to your opinion.
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The same thing can be right or wrong, depending on who says it and which society you live in.
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And if this is the case, then you cannot make moral judgments about other people.
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You cannot go to Sneeko and say, Sneeko, this is wrong what you're doing.
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You don't have a moral authority to make objective claims about morality about other people.
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The purpose it's serving is two people that love each other might want to be in a relationship
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and build a relationship and build a household and do that together.
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Do you know what I would have brought up in there?
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I'll use the same kind of justifications he used.
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And by the way, he can never give you a reason why incest is wrong.
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And if he says birth, that's why I said a brother and a brother.
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Oh, child isn't going to be deformed and this and that.
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Okay, what if a brother and a brother want to engage in that behavior?
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And he will end up saying it's okay, by the way.
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And I can assume individuals like this, they don't care.
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Every single thing in your life has to serve a greater purpose?
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Well, you are, but you are given it from a Muslim point of view, right?
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first you have to establish Islam as the truth.
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And then this idea, the worldview of Islam becomes true as well.
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So it's not going to work as an argument against them, essentially.
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I said everything has to fulfill a greater purpose.
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Sneko, Sneko, you bring the book a lot and whatever you read a lot.
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You reference that a lot into what's good and wrong.
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But I don't think that the fucking book told you to fucking sit to Red Rock and fucking gamble.
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I think that's usually called a haram order.
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I think you should do that in that book, does it?
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And then you choose how wrong we were going to be.
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And then you dictate what people should be doing based on that same book then.
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And I don't publicize those sins because I know that we have an audience.
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So you only publicize, but you don't hold those values yourself.
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It's taking responsibility to promote the right thing.
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I don't think you know what that word means, XQC.
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The difference between me and you is that I'll sin.
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Like, there's a lot of things that I don't publicize.
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You make millions of dollars selling sin and I don't.
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And we should take the responsibility to not do these things.
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It is not guided by some book or some scroll or some fucking writing in the sky.
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Have you seen the person who took his desire as his own god?
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His desire is what determines for him what is right and wrong.
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When you're making content for hundreds of millions of people that listen to you, you are influencing them.
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So when you tell them about doing these wrong things or you do it in front of them, it's just normal.
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But this is between me and God in the sense that I'm not going to influence other people with the behavior of the sin that I'm doing.
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I'm trying to work on myself, trying to get better.
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And that's why Islam teaches that you should not publicize the sins.
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And the prophet said that people will be forgiven except those who make their sins public.
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They normalize the sin and they encourage others to do it.
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When he says, this is just me, I live my life, you tell him, no, it's not just you.
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You're influencing millions of people who watch you that you are a role model for.
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That you encourage them to do this thing and you normalize it for them.
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Yeah, but then he will say this is not right or wrong.
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If it's just your opinion of what is right or wrong, then you just tell me, what's the problem in telling people to go do things against the law?
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Obviously, we're not encouraging anything against the law.
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But we're saying, what is the wrong then in telling people the most extreme things?
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If it's just your opinion and my opinion, then I can say whatever I want to my viewers and anyone can say whatever they want.
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But this whole discussion is just pretending that you're using that word is a whole big problem.
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But it's okay to, you know, encourage people to gamble and do all of these different things.
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But to say a word for a specific group of people now has become the end of the planet.
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And that's why, you know, if you remember, I was mentioning this in our setting, that in the West, the smallest thing becomes the biggest things and the biggest things become like it's okay.
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How are you not going to, like, how are you going to draw morality out of word but not influencing millions to gamble?
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That's the perfect evidence of your ever-changing morality and how it adapts and why you need something that's right from wrong.
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Because the fact that you draw the line at just saying a mean word but not influencing your audience to go and lose their money gambling.
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We'll just, we'll have these conversations more often.
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I don't know what the fuck you're doing in here.
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I've talked to a lot of pedophiles in the class.
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Like, I just said that if you, I wanted to make a comment.
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This, this blue-haired individual is one of the biggest leeches I've seen in my life.
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I think this individual, he's got no motion by himself.
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He has to go and insert himself in any type of discussion or talk about anything.
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So then he's got, he's got to insert himself in any type of conversation.
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It seems like you're trying to talk to the other guy.
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It happened when we were speaking about Zionism last year.
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Nick Fuentes, my friend, he was getting a lot of popularity on Fresh and Fit.
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And then Destiny weasels his way in like, oh, well, he's like the hall monitor of debates.
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And so I knew he was going to do this because I called, I wanted to debate XQC specifically
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about morality and the word and his idea of morality.
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And I knew as soon as I challenged him publicly to that debate, Destiny got his way in.
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I'm having this debate about Islam and then also about morality and this disbelief or the
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So it's like, I'm battling two at once and I'm just waiting for him to go away.
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And he's like, well, no, I want to stay here anyway.
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So for everyone who said like, I didn't do well in this debate, the fact that it's two
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I have to just shake off this leech in order to get to the, the, the kill point, you know,
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Cause all he's, all he's trying to do, his whole objective is just obfuscation, move the goalposts,
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The truth is both of them got nothing, no, no actual intellectual, intellectual reasoning
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But the thing is what happens is one of them knows how to do debate tactics.
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What we were saying, scream, shout, change the goalpost, you know, put pressure on things,
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But the other one doesn't do this, the yellow guy.
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So, so if you, if you were talking with him, I think it would have been a lot more, yeah,
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Well, I'll say, yeah, next time, inshallah, I want to figure it out.
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XQC, let's debate without your boyfriend, destiny.
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Let's have an actual discussion about morality.
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And I would like to have a good discussion about it.
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We didn't really get the chance to speak one-on-one.
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Both of our communities are talking about a nonstop, regardless.
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We could have a well-moderated and let's, let's speak about this because, and we don't need
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to go insults, ad hominems, XQC, I genuinely want to see what you think about this because
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we should be really aware of how we're promoting our audience to do different things and the
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I just told you, it depends on where you are, it depends on the world, it depends on
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At what stage do you think somebody has developed in it?
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Why is he asking you about the age of development?
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I think Destiny set up a trap earlier to get me there.
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Sneeko thinks you should be able to fuck nine-year-olds.
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That's what Sneeko thinks and he won't answer that question honestly.
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Or he's going to have to give a different answer in which case he's updated his morality.
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He's updated his views and that's really uncomfortable for him.
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You don't have an answer to any of this shit, bro.
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Go back to fucking that fucking corner in London where you're getting roasted by year
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I think you're talking about the age of consent, right?
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No, answer the question, you fucking pussy.
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If you actually are fucking Muslim, you're actually Islamic or whatever, then stand up for
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Every other Muslim scholar online will do this.
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Like, it's the same tactics and stuff like that.
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Don't act like a little pussy in here trying to grill fucking XQC on fucking, on modern
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If you want to answer basic questions about your worldview, what should the age of consent
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Do you see how, you see how you want to answer the question?
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You see how he's going to yap and not answer the question?
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I'm going to ask the same thing when you're done.
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Sneakko thinks you should be able to fuck nine-year-olds.
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Or he's going to have to give a different answer, in which case he's updated his morality.
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You don't have an answer to any of this shit, bro.
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Go back to fucking, uh, that fucking corner in London where you're getting roasted by
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year one debaters on fucking Christianity.
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I don't know what the fuck you're doing in here.
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I've talked to a lot of pedophiles in the past, so.
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What, what do you think the age of development is?
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It depends on what stage do you think somebody is developed in?
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I want to see their, their, their age of consent as well.
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I don't spend too much time thinking about that.
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Okay, so if a man, so if a man fucked a 12 year old and he was like, well, this person was like really developed.
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I just said that you're not supposed to do relationships with people.
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But throughout a lot of states, a lot of it's like 17.
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Oh, so you think 16, 17, that's the ethical age to start fucking married?
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I don't follow, but see, I don't follow the legal morality that you guys are following.
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So, so if the pedophile, or if a guy wants to fuck a 12-year-old, he feels like they're
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developed, then you're saying it should be okay in terms of religion, right?
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Yeah, I still want to hear what you want to say in the end.
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No, and the Quran does not specify, it doesn't have an age.
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Like, you're going to go in circles about this forever?
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I'm just curious why it's so hard to get you to give an age for when you think it's
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Okay, I answered the same question four times.
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You haven't given it, developed isn't an age, it's not a number.
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I think he's trying to make an understanding of how you apply it in the real world.
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How do you apply that knowledge or that piece of that phrase you're using, develop age,
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Somebody who read the same book that you did, had your information.
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How does someone navigate the world without a book?
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If you or you use that phrase, developed, right?
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As a concept, somebody knows this and they intake that.
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There's some sort of specifics behind it, right?
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Chad, this is the second time I'm hearing this and I still don't know what his question was.
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Somebody, when they go into the real world, how do they apply that?
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It's pretty easy to tell if somebody is a developed human or not.
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So that you trust every human that has read the book to know what's developed and know how to use that.
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And you trust that people will do that responsibly.
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Well, this is also the value of having a community.
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Of having a community of people around you who are on the same sort of values.
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You have sheikhs and you have other people within the community.
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So after you've done wrong, they go, hey, yo, you probably shouldn't have done that, bro.
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If they're following the faith, they're going to have the right attentions and they're going
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to ask people and it's going to be pretty obvious.
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So they have to wait for the faith to come down on earth.
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No, I'm saying it's the value of having a community that's on the same page about things.
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That's why you establish rules within your community.
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The community is supposed to come in and tell you what to do and when not to do it.
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If that's the number you use to navigate the world.
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And the reason it's hilarious is he's making he's now accusing you of what he's doing.
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He's saying to you in your in your worldview that the community decides who decides the
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So even though that's not the case, but he's just telling you that in your worldview, Nico,
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the community is deciding and he follows his own community's determination of what is
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That's why I wanted to hear what numbers are they going to give us for the age of consent?
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I should have I should have spun it back and asked them.
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So but the thing is, that's why they're just attacking you.
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But they're not giving they're not providing their own worldview.
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What you said is not completely accurate, but it's close to what Islam teaches.
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So the first thing is Islam does not have a set age.
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Because women are different and society is different and growth is different.
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And the idea of becoming mature intellectually and physically differs and depending on the
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society and the community that the person lives in.
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And there are studies, for example, when it comes to the biological growth of people,
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you know, in the hot countries, they grow quicker than they do in cold countries.
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And they did studies on fish, for example, the fish grew much quicker in the heat, but
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So in a long period of time, more, but slower, but in the heat, they grow much quicker.
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For example, when we talk about the biology, when it comes to the intellect as well, what
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Intellectual maturity is mostly based on experiences.
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The people that you deal with, the people that you treat, it's not based on ages people
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It is mostly based on the experience that you go through is what builds you and builds
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You can get a kid who is living in his mom's basement and he's 35 and he's as kid as you
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He's 35, but he's been living his whole life outside of any experience that challenges him,
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So in Islam, there's no such thing as a set age, but there is a rule.
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That rule is called, it is a principle of harm that the Prophet ﷺ have set.
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That principle is that you cannot harm anyone else or yourself.
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So first, when it comes to the idea now of engaging in intercourse, that has to be bounded
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So if there is physical harm or psychological harm to that individual that you are about
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to engage in intercourse only in marriage, there's something I want to say, which is very
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Pedophilia is a problem in the West only because in the West, they have intercourse with people
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They have these predators that target children.
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If Islam allows marriage before it's marriage, it's not intercourse of targeting children.
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It is agreement of both parents that the girl cannot get married without the permission
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It's marriage and that person is going to spend the life with the individual the rest
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Now they conflate that with the disease they have in their own communities, which is the
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people who are trying to target little children and use them as sexual objects and then abuse
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That does not exist under the Islamic worldview because in Islam, the person has to get married
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and the permission of the parents needs to be given.
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So first, when we talk about biological development, that's a very natural thing that is known.
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When the woman reaches the age of puberty, she's able to bear children biologically.
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If they're atheists and they take the biological worldview, then the woman, when she reaches the
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age of puberty, she's able to bear children.
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So you come and tell me her body is able to bear children, but she's not able to bear children
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When it comes to the psychological point of view, who determines?
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It is the people who are specialized in the field, the psychologists in the field, the
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They fit a specific kind of parameter based on the girl, you know, her condition.
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And then the state, the Islamic state, the Sharia state will set a number based on their
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The recommendation of the psychologists, et cetera.
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It can either set a number or it can be a case-by-case scenario.
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But in the end, even if the doctors say it's okay, for example, the marriage will never
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take place without the parents' permission first.
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The marriage does not go through without the parents' permission.
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Even if a woman reaches 21, 23, 24, it doesn't matter.
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The permission of the father is needed, the Walei, his permission is needed in the marriage
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If you go to Muslim countries, you don't see, look at Muslim countries and look at the
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Most of them are getting married in their 30s, actually 20s, because of bad economic state
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Both men and women, you see them getting married very late.
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So this idea that trying to paint as Muslims are like following this or doing that is
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I think it's like starting to be the age of marriage.
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Why is the age of marriage and consent different?
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So when a woman is able to have intercourse with someone, but she's not able to get married,
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The age of marriage is more than the age of consent.
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They say she's okay to have intercourse with someone and possibly get pregnant, but she
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So the marriage age is universally 18, correct?
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No, I'm saying the consent age is 16 in a lot of places, but is the marriage age 16 too?
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Is when I would have asked him, why is the age?
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You cannot give an age because every state has a different age.
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If one country, your country that you're living in, that you're pretending you get a morality
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If you Google it, what is the age of marriage depending on state?
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You will find completely different contradictory numbers depending on the state.
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So even the USA itself as a country does not agree in its own states with the age of marriage
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And then what you can't ask and sneak or give me an age, give me an age, give me an age.
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You could even have an age in your own country.
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There are hundreds of thousands of cases of what they call child marriages happening in
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the USA, by the way, in states like California, et cetera.
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We just Google it right now with the judge permission.
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So basically the parent comes and then they're younger than 18 or that specific age.
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And then with the permission of the judge, they get married.
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Because according to them, child is anyone under 18.
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So anyone who gets married in 14, 15, this and that with the permission of the parent
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You're making my Google search look crazy right now.
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I'm looking up the age of consent and child marriage.
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So only 12 states have banned underage marriages.
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But before I look, every time they're trying to update a change now, you know, but even
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So the thing is this, the thing is this, like, they would say to you, a woman becomes an adult
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when she's 17 years old, 300, sorry, she's not an adult when she's 17 years old, 364 days
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But when the minute passes, she becomes an adult magically.
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What is the most ridiculous kind of state that you can see in the West?
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A woman can drive at the age of 16, which causes someone's life and death and it's a
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life and death situation, but she cannot get married, according to them, right?
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The West is completely in a mess when it comes to the idea of morality, when it comes to the
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idea of determination of the age of this, the age of that, right?
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So they have no premise to tell you this or that.
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And now they talk about the Prophet, peace be upon you, all the time.
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But the thing is this, the situation, and there's a fallacy called presentism, which
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is to apply the values of morality of today on the past.
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So, for example, I told you in hotter countries, women would grow quicker.
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Because the job of a woman in every household was...
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There was no school, going to school, elementary school, secondary school, career woman.
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The only thing that existed was that the woman is born and then she gets married.
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So her always, when she reaches the age of puberty, then from my young age, she's already dealing
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And that's why Aisha, the wife of the Prophet, she was already betrothed to someone before
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Before he even was in the picture, there was someone else that she was betrothed.
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You'll not find someone in the deserts of Arab.
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And go back 300 years and find me one person from 1,400 years ago to 300 years ago that
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Even his detractors, even the enemies of Islam?
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Because the age of marriage in the USA, in the 1800s, was 10 years old.
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In the 1800s, it was seven years old in the UK.
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Sir William Blackstone, who is a jurist, who teaches book in Oxford, if you want to go and
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He has a book called Commentaries on the British Law of England.
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In the page 110, he says a woman can be given a marriage at the age of seven.
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So he's talking about women in the 1800s, the law in England.
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Then someone comes and say, oh, but you know, they were wrong and we're right now.
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But you just told me that morality is relative according to your worldview.
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So if it was okay, then you cannot criticize the Prophet of something he did at the time.
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And if today, this is it, you cannot jump and play in hoops, you know, you gotta make
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And if you determine that, okay, it was not wrong that time, then you cannot criticize
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If you say it is wrong, then you have to give us a reason why it was wrong.
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What is your worldview where you bring that objective morality to determine when it is
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Like, you have to multiply quickly and then you have to have children.
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And marriage was well known to be something that happens at an early age.
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In fact, if people go to the great-grandmother, they will find that she got married very young.
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Almost everyone probably watching this video, they're able to find the age that their great-grandmother
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When the Industrial Revolution and the idea of introducing women to the workforce and now
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know we need the woman now to go to the university and this and that and not get married.
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We need to make these laws now with this specific age, that specific age.
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And then when she's ready to go to the workforce, she works first.
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And then she's maybe later on engaged in the idea of marriage.
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And the Prophet, if you want to look at his life, for example, he married all of his wives,
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except Aisha, whom they talk about, were widows and divorces.
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His first wife was 15 years older than him, Khadija.
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And she was divorced or she was a widow, correct?
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And then he got married to a woman older than him, who was another widow, Sauda.
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And the rest of his wives were all widows and divorces.
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None of them were that young as they're trying to put, you know.
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So this was not something the Prophet, peace be upon him, was engaged in.
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And Abu Bakr chose Aisha because of the character of the Prophet, peace be upon him.
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He wanted to make sure, you know, that he makes a marriage contract.
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Because, you know, the consummation did not happen until three years later.
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He wanted to make sure, to do the marriage contract,
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to make sure that they secure the Prophet, peace be upon him, as a spouse for Aisha.
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And then when the age, when she herself said, when a woman hits that age, she becomes a woman.
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In her community, she's talking, in her society.
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And that's why Aisha, radiallahu anha, she lived 50 years after the Prophet, peace be upon him.
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No one, even the detractors of Islam in the community, criticized this.
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I'm telling you not the social norm 1,400 years ago.
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But these people are too hypocritical and completely illiterate when it comes to history.
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That they, first, want to jump hoops when it comes to morality,
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Then jump another hoop that, okay, this is bad, this is good.
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Then jump another hoop and then apply presentism of the morality of today on the past.
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So, yeah, essentially they got no argument there.
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Like, to tell you what is right and what is wrong, what should be done, what should not be done.
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When earlier, it's always updating and changing.
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If he don't notice it, he's going to remain silent.
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That's actually, you just contradicted yourself.
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You said your morality always changes and updates.
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Because if you don't know something, then you'll know more later.
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Like, as if he's like making a point on his behalf or something.
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Like, it's such a stupid way to navigate the world.
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You don't have to fucking make the jump to see if the hole will kill you.
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Other people might have seen it, will tell you ahead of time.
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I know this might be your first time hearing him, but yeah.
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Can you believe that this is one of the most successful streamers?
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Like, the way he talks and everything, it's incredible.
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No, you know, you remember I told you in the beginning of the talk about, like, how low
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the bar for intellectualism when it comes to the streaming world, anyways, you know?
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I'll run it back a little bit so if you can remember.
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So, so, yeah, the thing, the thing is this when...
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Yeah, the thing is this when it comes to the...
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The thing is this, when it comes to the age, the termination of the age,
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We're not talking about John Stuart Mill harm principle that came in liberalism.
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We're talking about Islam way before that, 1,400 years ago.
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But the Prophet said you cannot harm anyone or yourself.
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So there's no set age that when someone asks you for a set age,
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what is the set age that you will go on to determine if it's right or wrong?
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And then if they're in the US, they cannot speak.
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Even if they're in another country, all Europe is different ages.
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And they keep changing it all the time from left to right.
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then he cannot come to you and make any arguments about what is morally right
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and morally wrong because it can change depending on the time.
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ask the people of expertise if you do not know.
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they are the ones who psychologists, psychiatrists,
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okay, this is the age is okay psychologically for this person.
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it has to be first the permission of the parents
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there's going to be a physical harm on her
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No, I want to say something very, very important here.
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The people do not have any real arguments against Islam.
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And that's why this is practically the only argument
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So if someone wanted to believe a different age,
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It's probably one of the most distracting things
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it is effectively stealing someone else's land.
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saying that you are stealing someone else's land
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And then you can say 40 beheaded babies debunked.
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the Arab Musta'riba mixing with the Canaanites.