SNEAKO - SNEAKO & Nick Fuentes Realize They Might Not Vote For Trump...

00:00:00.000 The most important issue has to be the funding to Israel.

00:00:02.880 We just have to stop it.

00:00:03.760 People are waking up more than ever.

00:00:04.960 I think it's the last time we spoke.

00:00:06.020 Like, you got the new studio, Dan Bozerian.

00:00:08.160 He's been doing great things.

00:00:09.600 Obviously, I like what Candace Owens is doing personally.

00:00:12.000 You have some bombs with it.

00:00:13.520 I see the stuff she said about Frankis is like,

00:00:15.680 I can understand why you would have qualms with that.

00:00:18.600 But there's been a massive, massive awakening.

00:00:20.900 Even Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate,

00:00:22.440 they used to not really talk about the Jews or Israel.

00:00:24.580 Now, it's just like everyone has just said,

00:00:26.200 fuck it, we're going to go all in.

00:00:27.360 And I think there's the most amount of people waking up ever.

00:00:29.720 Even Tucker Carlson, who you think is CIA,

00:00:32.040 said something about questioning if Winston Churchill was a good guy,

00:00:34.940 if Hitler was really bad.

00:00:35.940 More people are waking up to this question than ever.

00:00:38.360 I think you're right.

00:00:39.120 There is an awakening going on.

00:00:40.660 People are more aware,

00:00:42.040 and they're more able to talk about the Jews and Israel than ever before.

00:00:46.100 There was real enthusiasm for Trump.

00:00:48.320 People wanted, including myself, to go out and vote for him.

00:00:52.180 And now there's just no program to get excited about.

00:00:55.260 The rallies aren't fun.

00:00:56.660 The rhetoric's not fun.

00:00:57.980 There's no tweets.

00:00:58.980 If you were really to press them,

00:01:00.440 they would say something like,

00:01:01.580 well, immigration.

00:01:03.260 Immigration's the big one.

00:01:04.200 Here's the problem with that.

00:01:05.640 One, Trump is in favor of mass legal immigration.

00:01:08.900 We have to live in reality.

00:01:10.200 It's like you said, there's no reason to vote for him.

00:01:12.260 And I'm seeing all these influencers.

00:01:13.700 A lot of them are obviously getting paid by the MAGA team.

00:01:16.160 And they're all in support of Trump.

00:01:17.520 I don't even think they could tell you why.

00:01:19.020 And you're seeing the celebrities that are endorsing it now.

00:01:21.040 And you have, you know, like prostitutes and like rappers with the grills.

00:01:24.640 I'm like, what is this about anymore?

00:01:26.300 I can't define, and I'm actually going to put out an open challenge to any of the influencers

00:01:30.300 who are like, if you vote for Kamala, you're stupid.

00:01:32.760 I do think that you're stupid.

00:01:34.020 But tell me why Trump's America in 24 is any better than Kamala.

00:01:37.860 Is it anti-communist?

00:01:39.000 Like Pepe.

00:01:41.320 Pepe, what's going on?

00:01:42.900 Hey, nice to see you again.

00:01:44.320 Why'd you get banned on Discord?

00:01:46.840 I just, I've been banned for years.

00:01:49.320 So every time they find me, they ban me.

00:01:51.720 I didn't know you could get banned on Discord.

00:01:54.060 I got to, I got to set my game up.

00:01:56.940 Yeah.

00:01:57.440 Well, I don't know if they're doing it as much anymore, but I got banned in like 2019.

00:02:02.980 How you been?

00:02:03.680 There's, there's, there's quite a bit to speak to you about this time around.

00:02:07.980 I've followed.

00:02:10.200 And yeah, I, I, I just about Trump the other day too, after I saw his, his tweet.

00:02:15.100 Actually, I want to bring that up.

00:02:16.420 He basically said Kamala's America.

00:02:18.700 Uh, this is Kamala's America and it's just a bunch of like Pakistanis and Afghanistani

00:02:23.260 people burning the American flag and that they're wearing this hat.

00:02:26.520 And it's like, it's just, it's just so stupid because, you know, Muslims make up what 1% of

00:02:31.520 Americans, America's population, 5% of the immigrants.

00:02:34.520 This is not what, if you're going to say that illegal immigration is terrible, you show a bunch

00:02:38.480 of Mexicans.

00:02:40.360 Right.

00:02:40.760 Well, yeah, that's obviously who it is.

00:02:44.220 It's all, uh, Venezuelans and Mexicans and Indians and Chinese.

00:02:49.020 And we all know why he's posting that picture.

00:02:52.140 It's because that is what satisfies the Jewish donors, you know, to hype up this Muslim threat.

00:02:59.260 Uh, it has everything to do with the war in Gaza, you know?

00:03:02.620 So yeah, I, I saw that and it's just the latest in a long string of disappointments in

00:03:07.900 terms of both policy and rhetoric.

00:03:09.600 This is just another neocon administration.

00:03:12.260 That's what it feels like to me.

00:03:13.500 So I should have seen that coming in the debate when he called Joe Biden a Palestinian.

00:03:17.440 That was a pretty clear forage and slip, but I let that go.

00:03:21.760 I'm like, okay, he's just an old white guy and he doesn't like Muslims, but seeing how

00:03:25.640 many times he's shown extreme allegiance to Israel after the assassination attempt is just

00:03:30.920 like, really?

00:03:32.120 Like they tried to kill you and now you're going to sell out to them.

00:03:34.840 I don't know what you think about that.

00:03:36.080 I don't know if you, if you think it was Mossad or who tried to assassinate him.

00:03:40.360 Who, who, who do you think it was?

00:03:42.600 Well, that's their specialty.

00:03:44.180 I mean, Mossad, that's what they do.

00:03:46.420 They kill people.

00:03:47.260 You know, they kill scientists, they kill politicians, they kill JFK.

00:03:51.300 They, they try to kill George Bush senior.

00:03:55.140 So I think that when you're looking at an operation like that, you have to think in terms of who's

00:04:01.700 capable of carrying something like that out and who would have the motivation.

00:04:05.620 And that really leaves you with two intelligence agencies, which would be the American intelligence

00:04:11.560 agencies or the Israeli intelligence agencies.

00:04:14.780 And I would say that if it was the American intel agencies, it would be because of Ukraine.

00:04:21.040 And I think that's less likely if it was Israel.

00:04:23.900 It's because days before the convention, a dead Trump would give them a president, Nikki Haley.

00:04:29.780 That would be their nominee.

00:04:31.020 And then she would be the president or it even could have been Vance on some timeline.

00:04:36.260 So I think there's a strong possibility they were behind it on some level.

00:04:40.140 And then weeks later, he meets with Netanyahu, which he hadn't done in years at Mar-a-Lago.

00:04:45.920 And they broed out and then he went to the stop anti-Semitism gala with Miriam Adelson.

00:04:51.980 And it's just been endless shilling ever since then.

00:04:55.540 So, yeah, it's pretty disappointing, but I'm not really surprised.

00:04:59.420 People calling you a Fed for for not being on board with this is just really stupid because

00:05:03.880 like he came out and said, he's in support of abortion.

00:05:06.300 He said positive things about weed.

00:05:08.500 He seems like he really loosened up his stance on immigration.

00:05:11.080 And like as a 2016 Trump voter, too, I saw your clip earlier saying that you were petitioning

00:05:17.340 around New Hampshire.

00:05:18.060 So was I.

00:05:18.660 I'm actually a registered voter in New Hampshire.

00:05:21.000 And I voted in the small town.

00:05:23.900 I'm not going to say it, but like way up in northern New Hampshire.

00:05:26.600 I'm still a registered Republican because of that election.

00:05:28.800 I didn't vote in 2020, but in 2016, I voted for Trump.

00:05:32.040 And it was all about it was about nationalism, was about anti-globalists.

00:05:36.200 He was saying he was going to lock up Hillary.

00:05:37.840 It was high energy.

00:05:38.740 The 4chan memes, I was on poll every single day.

00:05:41.480 And I'm like, this is this is what it's about.

00:05:43.500 This guy is not compromising.

00:05:44.960 He was calling bitches fat on the stage.

00:05:46.960 It had a different it had an aura to it.

00:05:50.040 And so if you were part of that in 2016 and compared to what it is now, there's no way

00:05:54.580 that you could still be enthusiastic.

00:05:56.120 And I'm seeing all these influencers who are clear.

00:05:58.800 A lot of them are obviously getting paid by the by the MAGA team and they're all in support

00:06:02.800 of Trump.

00:06:03.200 I don't even think they could tell you why.

00:06:04.960 And you're seeing the celebrities that are endorsing it now.

00:06:07.160 And you have, you know, like prostitutes and like rappers with the grills.

00:06:11.640 And they're like, I'm like, what what is this about anymore?

00:06:15.120 I can't I can't define and I'm actually going to put out an open challenge to any of the

00:06:19.460 influencers who are like, yeah, if you vote for Kamala, you're stupid.

00:06:23.060 I do think that you're stupid.

00:06:24.760 But why tell me why Trump's America in 24 is any better than than Kamala is anti-communist

00:06:30.780 like what is what are the specific policies?

00:06:33.320 I don't think they have any.

00:06:34.860 No, they're they're not voting for Trump.

00:06:37.720 They're voting against Kamala, which is the inverse of what happened in 2016, because there

00:06:42.240 was real enthusiasm for Trump in 16.

00:06:45.320 People wanted, including myself, to go out and vote for him.

00:06:50.000 And now there's just no program to get excited about.

00:06:53.200 The rallies aren't fun.

00:06:54.800 The rhetoric's not fun.

00:06:56.200 There's no tweets.

00:06:57.740 And, you know, if you really depress them, they would say something like, well, immigration,

00:07:02.980 immigration's the big one.

00:07:04.840 Here's the problem with that.

00:07:06.280 One, Trump is in favor of mass legal immigration.

00:07:09.640 So if you're against immigration, he has said repeatedly he wants to bring in a ton of people

00:07:15.520 legally.

00:07:15.920 He wants to staple green cards to diplomas.

00:07:18.980 So he's not an anti-immigration or immigration restrictionist candidate, not like he was in

00:07:24.380 16.

00:07:25.020 And they'll point to illegal immigration and they'll say we had 10 million illegals come

00:07:30.060 in under Kamala and Trump is promising mass deportations.

00:07:33.620 But if you know anything about the Trump administration, illegal immigration went up under Trump.

00:07:39.640 And we're not talking about 2017 when he got in.

00:07:42.900 We're talking about through until the very end.

00:07:45.900 And I remember I got off the Trump train roughly around May or June 2019.

00:07:51.800 That's really when the rubber met the road.

00:07:54.800 And it was because illegal immigration, the apprehensions at the southern border hit the

00:07:59.600 highest level than they were at since 2001.

00:08:02.760 It was about 150, 160,000 illegal aliens apprehended at the border in one month, in the month of

00:08:11.000 May and June 2019, which at that point had been the highest it had been since Bill Clinton

00:08:16.220 was president.

00:08:17.240 And I remember at that time saying, what are we doing here?

00:08:19.600 Like, what's even the point?

00:08:20.860 It's still high.

00:08:22.400 It was high in 17.

00:08:23.520 It was high in 18.

00:08:24.600 It's high in 19.

00:08:25.620 And it only came down.

00:08:27.300 They'll say, well, it was reduced in 2020, but it only came down in 2020 because of the

00:08:32.300 pandemic.

00:08:33.480 The whole world shut down in January 2020.

00:08:36.560 The United States shut down in March 2020.

00:08:39.160 And then all immigration was ground to a halt because of the pandemic.

00:08:43.880 And by the way, you know, the point of electing Trump was build a wall.

00:08:47.680 They can't tear it down.

00:08:49.300 It will indefinitely stop immigration.

00:08:51.880 But they didn't build a wall.

00:08:53.860 They built 500 miles of fence.

00:08:56.200 And so when Biden got in, he just opened the floodgates and it was higher than ever before.

00:09:00.620 So, you know, with regard to illegal immigration, there's really no basis to say that it will

00:09:07.340 maybe be lower than it was under Biden.

00:09:10.680 That's probably true.

00:09:12.040 It will not be lower than Obama.

00:09:14.540 They will not build a wall.

00:09:16.160 There will not be mass deportations.

00:09:18.080 There's no plan for that.

00:09:19.280 And what they've said, how they're going to carry that out doesn't even make sense.

00:09:23.500 They said they're going to do local law enforcement.

00:09:26.040 They're not going to be separating families and taking people from their homes.

00:09:29.800 It's not going to happen.

00:09:30.720 So it's it's honestly it's a lot of you have a lot of shills that are being paid.

00:09:36.260 And then you have the other half are just delusional.

00:09:38.580 They can't let go.

00:09:39.820 And I'm sympathetic to the latter crowd because I get it.

00:09:43.360 I mean, I was a big Trump fan, but we have to live in reality.

00:09:46.600 It's just it's like you said, there's no reason to vote for him.

00:09:49.580 I mean, he's probably going to win, don't you think you're right about J.D. Vance?

00:09:53.800 I think you called it out on my stream six months ago.

00:09:56.980 You were I don't know what you had, but I had someone I don't want to say his name.

00:10:01.140 Someone told me that was going to be a Ben Carson.

00:10:03.420 He said, put fifty thousand dollars on this.

00:10:05.280 It's going to be Ben Carson.

00:10:06.200 There's a website I heard from some family and I didn't do it because I don't I don't gamble.

00:10:10.240 And you were you were you were right.

00:10:11.800 So what do you think is going to happen in November?

00:10:15.680 Yeah, well, it's funny you say that I was going on a few of the shows.

00:10:19.520 I was on your stream in like May.

00:10:21.160 I said it's Alex Jones because I got a tip from someone credible.

00:10:26.280 They said, hey, all the chatter around Mar-a-Lago says Vance.

00:10:29.980 And I was skeptical because Vance is a freshman senator.

00:10:33.500 He only became he never held elected office.

00:10:36.000 He became a senator last January.

00:10:38.280 He won in twenty twenty two.

00:10:40.440 So he's not even he's not even fulfilled one full term in the Senate.

00:10:45.380 Very strange.

00:10:46.700 And he's very right wing, or at least he presents that way.

00:10:50.260 And he's from Ohio, which is really no longer a swing state.

00:10:53.560 So for a lot of reasons, it was very puzzling to me.

00:10:55.980 But I had it on good authority.

00:10:57.560 And it was really because of Peter Thiel and his influence around Trump and everything.

00:11:02.160 And so it turned out allegedly to be a very close decision, because as it got closer to

00:11:08.900 the pick at the RNC, I was hearing, well, it could be Rubio, it could be Burgum and it

00:11:14.240 could be Vance.

00:11:14.940 And there was a three way like battle royale.

00:11:17.320 They tipped it in for Vance.

00:11:19.400 I think it's more likely Trump will win.

00:11:22.080 But, you know, here's something funny.

00:11:23.900 So a lot of people don't know this here.

00:11:26.720 We have to look at the polling.

00:11:28.020 The polling says that it's going to come down really to Pennsylvania.

00:11:32.380 The polling says that Trump is ahead in Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina.

00:11:36.680 The polling says that Kamala is ahead in Michigan and Wisconsin.

00:11:41.960 Pennsylvania is a dead heat.

00:11:44.000 And so if that's how the map plays out, Nevada doesn't really matter if that's how.

00:11:48.920 But, you know, Trump is leading in the polls there.

00:11:51.040 If that's how it shakes out, Pennsylvania is going to decide it.

00:11:55.000 Now, you can look at the polls, but you could also look at the betting.

00:11:58.020 And everybody's looking at the betting odds.

00:12:00.560 They're looking at Polymarket, which is this big betting site, which has emerged recently.

00:12:05.960 And they're also looking at Nate Silver, who's one of the big forecasters.

00:12:09.640 He was the wonder kid from 2012.

00:12:11.620 He started 538.

00:12:12.980 It got bought out.

00:12:14.700 Well, both Nate Silver and Polymarket are owned by Peter Thiel.

00:12:19.420 So go figure.

00:12:21.980 J.D. Vance was given money by Peter Thiel for his venture capital firm.

00:12:28.180 J.D. Vance was given $15 million to run in the Senate in 2022.

00:12:33.480 J.D. Vance got the Trump endorsement because of Peter Thiel in 22.

00:12:38.160 J.D. Vance got the nomination for the vice presidency, largely thanks to Peter Thiel and the influence of people like Tucker and others in Trump's orbit.

00:12:49.000 And now who's forecasting a Trump victory in 2024?

00:12:52.480 Well, it's the Polymarket betting website, and it's Nate Silver, the forecaster, who are both properties of Peter Thiel.

00:13:01.220 And Peter Thiel represents this national security.

00:13:04.420 He represents the coming together of national security and big tech, which are really inextricably connected.

00:13:13.180 And it's people like David Sachs and Jacob Hellberg, who are very tight with Trump now and Trump's inner circle.

00:13:19.560 And they used to be libertarian.

00:13:21.540 They're very, you know, they're kind of left on some things, but they want national security.

00:13:25.520 They're worried about China.

00:13:26.760 They want immigrants and they want oil to power the data centers.

00:13:31.540 And that is who's really pulling the strings.

00:13:33.780 So to answer your question, I think it's a coin toss, but I think Trump is probably the favorite.

00:13:39.880 But it is interesting that the betting markets that favor Trump the most are owned by Thiel.

00:13:45.780 Because if you look at Maxim Lott's betting odds, they say it's 50-50.

00:13:50.280 But if you go on Polymarket and Nate Silver, they say Trump's running away with it.

00:13:54.020 It's 60-40.

00:13:55.420 So just a little word to the wise on people that are analyzing the race on where the numbers are coming from.

00:14:01.360 The most important issue, it has to be the funding to Israel.

00:14:04.700 We just have to stop.

00:14:05.880 People are waking up more than ever.

00:14:07.240 I think it's the last time we spoke, like you got the new studio.

00:14:10.400 Dan Bolzerian has been doing great things.

00:14:14.260 Obviously, I like what Candace Owens is doing personally.

00:14:16.700 You have some qualms with it.

00:14:18.560 I see the stuff she said about Frankis is like, she's trying to position herself so she can keep her YouTube channel and, you know, still get on mainstream news.

00:14:26.820 I can understand why you would have qualms with that.

00:14:30.500 But there's been a massive, massive awakening.

00:14:32.680 Even Andrew Tate and Tristan Tate, they used to say, you know, they used to not really talk about the Jews or Israel.

00:14:38.440 And now it's just like everyone has just said, fuck it, we're going to go all in.

00:14:42.800 And I think there's the most amount of people waking up ever.

00:14:45.340 Even Tucker Carlson, who you think is CIA, he said something about, you know, questioning if Winston Churchill was a good guy, if Hitler was really bad.

00:14:54.940 More people are waking up to this question than ever.

00:14:57.320 And I get your I get your frustration because you've been you've been repeating it for eight years.

00:15:02.260 I put myself in your shoes when I was like preparing for this interview.

00:15:04.680 I'm like, OK, you've been saying the same thing for about eight years.

00:15:08.040 And now everyone is kind of jumping on the bandwagon.

00:15:11.140 Now, after you lose money, you get put on the no fly list, you get banned.

00:15:14.720 Even me, I got I got banned in a large part for for hosting you two years ago and talking about the Jews.

00:15:21.020 So to see everybody now like kind of profit off of the off the wave, it's it is annoying.

00:15:27.660 But I get it because even though sometimes where I'm sure you remember, I would be like, you know what?

00:15:31.980 I'm not going to I'm not going to talk about it anymore.

00:15:34.080 I want to I want to have a career and stuff.

00:15:36.520 But, you know, once you speak about it, you have to you know, this is the most important subject.

00:15:41.760 What do you think about this massive awakening happening?

00:15:43.480 Well, here's the thing about that, because it is I think you're right.

00:15:50.460 There is an awakening going on.

00:15:52.020 People are more aware and they're more able to talk about the Jews and Israel than ever before.

00:15:58.340 And I don't I'm not trying to nitpick.

00:16:01.500 And I'm also not trying to make it all about myself.

00:16:05.640 I'm not mad about there's no anxiety on my part about being left behind or being shut out of the conversation.

00:16:11.980 And here's my perspective on it.

00:16:15.120 When Trump ran in 16, he animated some very powerful ideas talking about America used to be great, but it's not anymore.

00:16:23.560 The American dream is dead.

00:16:25.640 We used to be powerful, but now we're weak.

00:16:27.720 We're humiliated.

00:16:28.620 I'm going to get it.

00:16:29.360 I'm going to make it great.

00:16:30.480 These are very powerful ideas.

00:16:33.340 And when he leaned into those things, people were terrified about what it could unleash racially, politically,

00:16:40.780 in terms of, you know, is will there be a Democratic deficit if he gets in?

00:16:44.680 Like there was something he was tapping into something very dark and something very old and very powerful.

00:16:51.580 But we saw what we got out of it, which is more of the same.

00:16:56.840 What was the legacy of the Republican dominance of the government from 2016 to 2018?

00:17:05.060 Corporate tax cut.

00:17:06.600 Trump gets in.

00:17:07.500 He's got a House, Senate, Supreme Court, the White House.

00:17:10.940 It's all red.

00:17:12.460 We hadn't had that in, you know, 15, 16 years.

00:17:16.560 What do we get out of it in the Congress?

00:17:18.800 Literally a tax cut.

00:17:20.140 That's it.

00:17:20.660 No infrastructure, no border wall, no immigration deal, didn't end NAFTA, didn't bring the troops home.

00:17:28.600 Nothing.

00:17:29.440 But they did cut the corporate tax, right?

00:17:32.260 And they did give Israel literally their entire wish list.

00:17:36.580 Shel Nadelson got his whole wish list.

00:17:38.560 He got Jonathan Pollard.

00:17:40.220 He got Shlomo Rubashkin.

00:17:42.100 He got sovereignty over Jerusalem.

00:17:44.980 He got IRGC on the terrorist list.

00:17:47.120 He got Golan Heights.

00:17:48.420 He got all of it.

00:17:49.380 They killed Qasem Soleimani.

00:17:52.140 They ripped up the Iran nuclear deal.

00:17:54.280 The only thing they didn't get was regime change in Syria.

00:17:57.340 But that's not even, I mean, that's probably something they wanted.

00:18:00.100 But if they really wanted it, they would have gotten it.

00:18:03.480 And so that's how I feel about a lot of this.

00:18:06.420 Because what you'll notice is people like you got totally canceled for talking to people like me.

00:18:13.420 You got shit on.

00:18:15.100 You lost contracts.

00:18:16.440 You lost opportunities.

00:18:17.800 And no one is saying your name talking about the sacrifice you made.

00:18:23.400 You know, people are, if you weren't making your own case, people would be perfectly willing to let you take all the heat.

00:18:29.080 And people like myself, too.

00:18:30.440 And people like Myron.

00:18:31.840 Look at the Whatever podcast.

00:18:33.400 They totally ripped off Fresh and Fit.

00:18:35.740 It's not even funny how they just stole the concept.

00:18:38.500 And they're only on YouTube and monetized because whenever someone brings up Israel, they shut them right down.

00:18:45.320 They keep it on gross sex, degeneracy, no politics, no Fuentes, no Israel.

00:18:50.500 They're boosted by Daily Wire.

00:18:52.580 And look, like no shade, but it is what it is.

00:18:55.280 I don't have a problem with those guys, but it is what it is.

00:18:57.720 It's gentrification.

00:18:58.800 It's like the perfect example of whites coming in and taking the black culture.

00:19:02.440 You get fresh environment.

00:19:03.620 And then just, you know, make it ignore me and corporate and TJ Maxx.

00:19:07.600 With the Jews, okay, don't blame white people.

00:19:11.640 That's Daily Wire.

00:19:12.880 That's the operative.

00:19:14.100 But yeah, I get what you mean.

00:19:15.560 But, and yeah, so there's some truth to that.

00:19:18.060 But so Fresh and Fit, they get demonetized.

00:19:21.500 They are losing money.

00:19:22.940 They're getting a hard time and so on and so forth.

00:19:26.380 And one has to ask yourself.

00:19:29.540 One has to ask oneself.

00:19:31.540 Why does Nick Fuentes, Sneeko, and Myron, why are we losing all the money and getting canceled

00:19:36.620 and you can't utter our names and we're in trouble?

00:19:39.460 But people like Tucker and Candace and others can flirt with these ideas and seemingly not get in trouble.

00:19:46.060 They get to remain on YouTube and they don't get in as much trouble.

00:19:49.640 And, you know, Candace, I think the jury's out.

00:19:52.300 I don't hate her.

00:19:53.560 I think she's playing games.

00:19:55.420 And I'm putting a lot of pressure on her because I just want her to do the right thing.

00:19:59.880 And I want her to be honest.

00:20:01.100 And I don't trust her either.

00:20:02.440 But I don't hate her.

00:20:03.240 I don't, you know, necessarily, I don't hate her guts or anything.

00:20:05.760 I think she's intelligent.

00:20:07.080 You'll have to choose.

00:20:08.800 But somebody like Tucker seems to be protected.

00:20:11.660 And he is a whole other story.

00:20:13.440 I mean, someone like yourself, someone like me, we're the nigs of the United States.

00:20:18.480 I mean, I know you're like partially black and I know I'm white, but we're ethnics.

00:20:23.480 We're a couple of ethnics.

00:20:25.280 Our parents aren't anybody.

00:20:27.740 OK, that's how we get treated in this country.

00:20:29.780 It's just true.

00:20:30.340 I'm Italian, Mexican and Irish, and I get the ethnic treatment.

00:20:34.240 And it's just true.

00:20:35.940 Tucker Carlson was fighting with the Contras in Nicaragua in the 80s.

00:20:39.980 And his dad was appointed by Reagan to run Voice of America.

00:20:43.460 Point being, you and I have, you, me, Myron have a lot more in common, the three of us,

00:20:49.100 than we do.

00:20:49.520 Well, maybe less so Myron because he was a fad, you know, because he worked for DHS.

00:20:53.140 But, you know, understand that.

00:20:54.520 And his parents were Sudanese immigrants.

00:20:56.240 But understand the point.

00:20:58.140 We come from a working class background.

00:21:00.380 We come from a middle, lower class background.

00:21:03.640 Tucker's parents are literally Langley, Virginia, CIA, mobbed up feds.

00:21:09.120 And all I'm trying to say is, you know, we just have to make sure that this awakening

00:21:14.800 is not sort of hijacked and steered to re-legitimize and fortify the establishment.

00:21:22.620 That's all I'm saying.

00:21:23.420 That's my fear.

00:21:24.360 I don't care about me.

00:21:25.760 If I cared about career, I would have sold out a long time ago.

00:21:28.800 What I'm worried about is someone like Tucker comes along and is dropping, you know, baby

00:21:33.260 aspirin red pills.

00:21:34.500 And it seems red-pilled.

00:21:35.880 Maybe not really.

00:21:37.480 And this guy has this pedigree.

00:21:38.960 And he doesn't get canceled.

00:21:40.120 It makes me very suspicious.

00:21:41.200 But people like you and I, we're the real deal.

00:21:43.680 We're saying it from the heart.

00:21:45.060 We found it organically.

00:21:46.420 We're telling the truth.

00:21:47.620 We get nuked from orbit.

00:21:48.640 And there's no protection.

00:21:49.940 And I think people need to be cognizant of the fact that, you know, we have the truth on

00:21:55.380 our side.

00:21:55.840 The truth is a powerful thing.

00:21:57.220 And, you know, they're not above using subversive tactics to try to pull the rug out from under

00:22:02.640 us and infiltrate it.

00:22:03.800 They've done it before.

00:22:04.880 And they're the masters of the skin suit.

00:22:07.000 You know, like with Malcolm X and like, you know, even I'm sure with Islam, this is something

00:22:11.260 that goes on.

00:22:11.940 The skin suiting, where they come in and they infiltrate, whether it's westernizers or it's

00:22:16.340 Jews or it's whoever, that's how they play.

00:22:19.140 They don't, you know, it's the oldest trick in the book.

00:22:21.940 They don't fight you head on, but they'll put their armor on you and say, hey, I'm one of

00:22:25.560 you and they're not really.

00:22:27.140 And that's really where I'm concerned.

00:22:28.820 Yeah.

00:22:28.900 The skin suiting is ultimately what probably got Malcolm X assassinated.

00:22:32.320 You get feds that infiltrate the nation of Islam pretending to be on his side.

00:22:36.340 And then they shoot him with a shotgun.

00:22:38.300 And you see these like all these terrorist attacks that made people hate Islam for so

00:22:42.800 long.

00:22:43.300 All of these were feds infiltrating.

00:22:44.900 And pretty much Israelis dressed up like with an AK-47.

00:22:48.380 Oh, no, no, no.

00:22:48.900 We hate, we hate America.

00:22:50.240 These are, these are Israelis.

00:22:51.520 These aren't Muslims would not do these silly thing.

00:22:54.800 And then you see Trump, like this is what I, there's just, I lost all respect for Trump

00:22:59.880 when I saw that posting about it very clearly.

00:23:04.300 I don't know if anyone saw the image, but the image is there as an American flag and then

00:23:08.080 six Muslims.

00:23:08.800 And they're very obviously Muslim.

00:23:10.140 There's not one other ethnicity is like, this is how bad it's going to be.

00:23:13.320 It's like, this is not the problem, Trump.

00:23:15.600 It's not, the problem is you being AIPAC employee of the month.

00:23:19.580 It's all the U.S. politicians getting foreign aid from Israel.

00:23:24.160 It has nothing to, Islam is not affecting American politics in any way whatsoever.

00:23:29.440 This is stupid and you're lying and you're really subverting the truth movement by redirecting

00:23:34.920 people to, you know, to nonsense.

00:23:37.640 So yeah, I get what you're, I get what you're saying.

00:23:40.300 You know, it is frustrating, but I don't really, I don't hold too many.

00:23:44.040 I'm not, I'm not as angry about it as you are basically, but you know, obviously you've

00:23:47.760 been doing it longer.

00:23:48.740 I want to ask, you said, you said, I saw your clip, you were saying that you would die for

00:23:54.620 Trump in 2016.

00:23:55.680 Do you, do you regret saying that?

00:23:56.900 Or do you, would you still stand by that?

00:23:59.740 No, I, I have no regrets about it actually.

00:24:02.620 You know, because I feel like, well, here's the thing about Trump.

00:24:08.040 The bigger idea is this, what I have come to realize about Trump and Trumpism is that

00:24:14.840 it was probably rigged from the beginning.

00:24:19.080 And what I mean by that is what I have come to learn about the right wing and how the right

00:24:24.480 wing works and MAGA and things that I couldn't have known because when I got into it, I was

00:24:29.040 18 years old, I was 18, I was idealistic, I, I didn't know anybody.

00:24:33.280 It's like I, it's like I said, you know, a lot of the people in politics, people don't

00:24:37.040 realize there's a pedigree.

00:24:38.520 The people that are in politics that are in intelligence, there's a pedigree there, you

00:24:44.100 know, and when I got involved in politics, I found that out very quickly.

00:24:47.860 The people that I met in DC, you know, their uncle worked for Nixon, their dad was in the

00:24:52.700 Bush administration, so-and-so it's generational.

00:24:55.700 And, you know, I don't like George Carlin, but his quote about it's a big club and you're

00:25:00.860 not in it, that's true.

00:25:02.320 And Americans don't realize that.

00:25:04.060 Like, for example, Americans don't realize that Jews have so much power because most Americans

00:25:09.420 don't work in industries and cities that have as much influence.

00:25:14.220 If you work in banking in New York City, you deal with a lot of Jews.

00:25:17.840 If you work in Hollywood in LA, you deal with a lot of them.

00:25:20.740 If you have any kind of job on a Republican political campaign, you're dealing with them.

00:25:26.100 They're coming in and out of the office on Capitol Hill and they're on, you know, they're

00:25:29.840 everywhere.

00:25:30.540 But if you are working at a steel mill or you're a farmer or you're working retail or in service

00:25:37.380 in Oklahoma or Illinois or Minnesota, you won't encounter them because that's not where

00:25:42.920 they are, you know, and that's just something people need to know.

00:25:45.900 So when I got into politics, I was one of those regular guys.

00:25:49.380 My parents didn't go to college.

00:25:51.180 I was a high school graduate.

00:25:52.940 I liked Trump.

00:25:54.120 I liked what he was saying.

00:25:55.260 I signed up.

00:25:56.140 I was a true believer.

00:25:58.080 And as I've met people in politics and grown intellectually, as I've studied it and built

00:26:03.700 on my understanding, what I've realized is that from the very start, there was an axis

00:26:09.900 with Donald Trump that connects him to Russia, Israel, the United Arab Emirates.

00:26:18.120 And it runs through the Hibab Lubavitchers of which Jared Kushner is a part.

00:26:22.820 And it runs through Bibi Netanyahu.

00:26:25.480 And it runs through some of these donors.

00:26:27.760 And I'll give you a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

00:26:31.460 So back in 2016, there were a lot of big anonymous Twitter accounts that were pro-Trump.

00:26:37.060 You know, they called them the meme.

00:26:38.420 It was the meme war, meme war veterans.

00:26:40.420 They were on 4chan, Twitter, et cetera.

00:26:42.540 One of them was called Ricky Vaughn.

00:26:44.460 He was anonymous.

00:26:45.560 He had a big account.

00:26:47.080 And Time Magazine named the Ricky Vaughn, that's the name of a character in a movie,

00:26:51.320 they named the Ricky Vaughn account as one of the top 100 most influential Twitter accounts

00:26:56.020 in the election.

00:26:57.120 Now, if you are a political neophyte, you look at an anonymous Twitter account, and maybe

00:27:02.240 you have an anonymous Twitter account.

00:27:04.400 And you think that anonymous Twitter account is like yours.

00:27:07.240 You think that anonymous person is a regular guy from a regular place with regular parents

00:27:13.380 who jumped on Twitter to be pro-Trump because he's sick of the political bullshit.

00:27:18.440 He's sick of the Democrats, right?

00:27:20.280 Wrong.

00:27:21.100 Because it turns out Ricky Vaughn gets doxxed, and he's this guy named Douglas Mackey, and

00:27:26.180 he works for Clearview AI.

00:27:28.240 And Clearview AI is a facial recognition artificial intelligence company that received seed money

00:27:34.560 from Peter Thiel, who's a CIA contractor.

00:27:38.060 And Clearview AI scraped 10 billion faces from social media.

00:27:42.520 All the big social media companies have filed lawsuits, and that's why they shut down data

00:27:47.280 scraping, because Clearview AI was scraping all the faces, putting it in a database so they

00:27:53.040 could recognize everybody.

00:27:54.860 And now they're selling it to Israel.

00:27:56.620 It's called Lavender.

00:27:57.640 They're using it in the Gaza Strip.

00:27:59.040 And now listen, I like Douglas Mackey.

00:28:02.480 I know him and everything, and I don't even know how I feel about him as a guy.

00:28:06.260 Maybe he's a patriot.

00:28:07.280 Maybe he isn't.

00:28:08.540 But what I realized in that moment is, wait a second, things are not as they seem.

00:28:12.920 That's the basis of the red pill.

00:28:14.740 The red pill in The Matrix is that everything is fake.

00:28:18.460 We're human batteries.

00:28:19.920 And what we think is reality is an elaborate production or simulation designed to trick us.

00:28:25.480 So don't believe your lying eyes.

00:28:27.000 I thought that's what Trumpism was.

00:28:29.420 But Trumpism is part of The Matrix, because all these pro-Trump anon accounts come to

00:28:35.260 find out they're being backed by intelligence contractors, defense contractors, Clearview

00:28:41.680 AI.

00:28:42.200 They're backed by Peter Thiel.

00:28:43.540 They've all been involved from the very beginning.

00:28:46.020 And so I learned that, and I'm like, well, that really changed my perception of things.

00:28:50.420 I thought this was a normal Trump guy who just blew up on Twitter.

00:28:54.620 No, he was working for Clearview AI.

00:28:57.440 He's working for Peter Thiel.

00:28:59.480 And a lot of them were.

00:29:00.860 You know, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

00:29:02.680 Jared Kushner ran the campaign, then ran the White House.

00:29:06.580 And Kushner is a Lubavitcher.

00:29:08.640 Kushner, and if you know about Habbat Lubavitch, it's pretty freaky stuff.

00:29:13.220 Kushner's at 666 Fifth Avenue.

00:29:15.400 That's his address.

00:29:16.360 He's a scam artist.

00:29:17.260 And he's tight with Bibi Netanyahu.

00:29:19.280 And they get all this money from Adelson.

00:29:22.000 And, you know, anything that was about Russia, there was also a line to Israel and the Emirates

00:29:28.480 running through it as well.

00:29:29.500 That's the missing part that they never talked about.

00:29:31.820 There was a piece in The Nation about this.

00:29:33.660 They said that's the collusion that no one talks about in the election was the role of Israel

00:29:39.140 in 16.

00:29:40.260 So I'm just rethinking a lot of things lately.

00:29:43.720 And I have no regrets, you know, because it's part of the process.

00:29:47.680 That's part of the awakening process.

00:29:49.600 When you're coming to the surface, you do have to sift through a lot of bullshit.

00:29:53.940 So I think it was earnest, and I was idealistic.

00:29:57.000 And, you know, I think a lot of people went through the same thing.

00:30:00.480 And you have to start somewhere.

00:30:01.920 So I have no regrets.

00:30:03.040 But I do, I think I was wrong about a lot of it.

00:30:06.660 I didn't understand the scope and scale of what was going on.

00:30:09.300 About how deep it goes and the ties and where the money really lies.

00:30:12.860 They say, if you want to find the truth, just follow the money.

00:30:16.220 And yeah, do you think, do you think Trump is even a Christian?

00:30:22.840 Well, I mean, he's one of these cultural Christians, you know, I don't think he, you know,

00:30:29.200 unfortunately, that's the thing.

00:30:31.840 I mean, it's no secret Christians have an apostasy problem there.

00:30:36.320 It's not being transmitted from one generation to the next.

00:30:39.880 And, you know, that's a symptom of modernity and feminism and a lot of things.

00:30:45.060 And I think that Trump clearly is not a pious Christian.

00:30:49.620 You know, he's about as Christian as, as unfortunately, a lot of people are.

00:30:53.980 So I think he has a vague notion that he believes in God, but I don't think he has a deep faith.

00:30:59.080 No, I don't think so.

00:31:00.480 I don't think he ever really did.

00:31:01.640 And I think that the Trump movement was always, was the religion was America.

00:31:07.760 Like that is, if you go to a Trump rally, you go to the GOP, you go to TPUSA, people worship Trump like he's a prophet, like he's an idol.

00:31:16.980 There's even videos of guys getting pulled over and they start praying to Trump.

00:31:21.200 If you see the way these boomers talk about him and they, with, you know, almost fear, without really knowing what it's about, because they just like him and his stance and his aura.

00:31:30.220 But they, they pretty much see him as a, as a religious figure and they, they borderline worship him.

00:31:35.400 But he was never, he was part of the swamp that he always claimed to drain.

00:31:39.900 And I related to you saying that when you were first working on the Trump campaign, because the same thing happened to me.

00:31:45.320 I remember saying like, he's an outsider.

00:31:46.860 First, I liked Bernie because he was an outsider.

00:31:49.000 And then Trump was, I realized he was the true outsider of the time.

00:31:53.260 And then there'd be like boomer conspiracy, like chemtrail people.

00:31:56.840 And they'd be like, he's part of the swamp too.

00:31:58.580 And I'm like, no, he's not.

00:31:59.440 But you realize that the whole time it probably, that probably was the case, but that, that's what, uh, and I, again, I want to ask you this.

00:32:07.180 Cause I was looking at your bio and you put, you put America first and then crisis King second.

00:32:14.460 Is there, is there a reason for that?

00:32:17.600 Not particularly.

00:32:19.040 I mean, mainly because my show is called America first, but it's not a ranking.

00:32:24.080 Obviously I'm a Christian first.

00:32:25.540 What I, what I really liked about yay 24 was that it fixed this problem within politics where money corrupts people.

00:32:33.220 You remember when yay was always about sorting, um, sourcing all of the laws strictly to the Bible was about developing, uh, Christian Sharia law that doesn't exist because there, there is no specific Christian law.

00:32:46.580 There is just, um, in the old Testament, there's, there's law, but they, the new Testament abolished that.

00:32:52.540 So there is no specific law and you always talk, I think you're the, you're probably like one of the best examples of, uh, of a Christian in the space.

00:33:01.980 But, you know, if you see the other people that have come out, like these guys like Ryan Garcia, for example, they don't know anything about Christianity.

00:33:08.020 Like they'll, the, the attacks they make and they'll, they'll claim and they'll, they'll die in this thing of crisis King, but they don't really know at all.

00:33:15.660 And they fall a lot in the salvation of it.

00:33:18.120 Your, your conviction with Christianity is similar to the way a Muslim is where we believe that we're saved by works.

00:33:24.800 Like we have to work every day.

00:33:26.180 We have to worship every day.

00:33:27.160 We have to be a good person.

00:33:28.200 You don't have sex out of wedlock.

00:33:30.180 You don't drink.

00:33:30.800 You don't do these things.

00:33:31.600 Do you think that's something like yay 24 sourcing or like a Catholic Taliban in America?

00:33:37.680 Do you think that's still possible?

00:33:39.720 Well, we Catholics actually don't believe in, uh, salvation by works.

00:33:43.800 We believe that it's, we're saved by grace is, uh, that's, that's how technically we're saved, but we believe that our faith is dead without works.

00:33:54.320 So that's the debate between Catholics and Protestants.

00:33:57.180 It's, you know, both Protestants and Catholics believe that we're saved by God's grace.

00:34:01.660 We cannot save ourselves.

00:34:03.040 God has to save us.

00:34:04.120 But Protestants say, well, all I have to do is say, I believe in God and I'm saved.

00:34:09.320 And Catholics say, yeah, but if you don't act like it, then is it really sincere?

00:34:15.180 Because if you really believed it, we believe that what we call charity Catholics have in charity, doesn't mean just almsgiving, but it means loving your fellow man.

00:34:24.100 We believe that that proceeds from faith, that it starts with faith and then hope and then charity, which is the love of the fellow man.

00:34:33.100 And it's, it's sort of like, if, if you don't have this blossoming into charity, do you really have faith?

00:34:39.580 You know, you can say that.

00:34:41.140 And this is where, you know, Protestants, there's a little bit of, uh, I think a logical problem.

00:34:46.440 It's like, okay, so a person could be, uh, an irredeemable, unrepentant, complete sinner, but hey, they nominally say they're Christian.

00:34:56.100 So they're good.

00:34:57.340 Catholics say there has to be a sincere repentance.

00:34:59.900 We have to ask for forgiveness and mean it.

00:35:01.940 And we have to believe in God and mean it.

00:35:04.020 And if you mean it, you're going to act like it.

00:35:06.060 Um, but, uh, but I do agree Protestantism is a big part of the issue.

00:35:12.520 You know, I mean, that is really a big part of where a lot of our problems began, uh, this Bible alone Christianity, because the difference, actually, the irony, Protestantism is actually probably more similar to Islam in certain ways than Catholicism.

00:35:28.800 Because Protestants, like Muslims, have an emphasis on the book, although Protestants view our book differently than Muslims view the Quran, they are still all about the book.

00:35:40.200 And that, that's where they believe we have to go back to scripture.

00:35:43.360 There's no role for a clergy or a hierarchy, or there's no role for, um, you know, an authority figure like the Pope.

00:35:49.680 We have a personal relationship with God mediated only by the Bible, and Catholics believe, actually, we have a church.

00:35:58.800 They believe that the church came first, you know, Christ had a ministry, he had 12 disciples, and then front, and then the ministry grew, and eventually then the ministry put together and canonized the Bible.

00:36:11.380 But that without the hymns, and without people coming together, and without the church, with the readings on top of that, then you, you don't really have what Christ created.

00:36:20.800 So, uh, so, you know, there's an interesting comparison.

00:36:24.080 And I would say that, you know, the Trump phenomenon, if you look at Trump's, um, his, his engagement with the religion comes from this, uh, speaker, this pastor named Norman Vincent Peale.

00:36:36.920 A lot of people don't talk about this anymore.

00:36:38.780 They used to.

00:36:39.780 That Trump used to be a big fan of this Protestant pastor, motivational speaker named Norman Vincent Peale.

00:36:45.840 And he wrote a book called The Power of Positive Thinking.

00:36:48.880 And it's kind of gets into this, um, they call it the prosperity gospel stuff, where Protestants believe that if you're praying and you believe in God, then you get rich.

00:36:59.180 And, you know, your life is good, and your life goes well for you.

00:37:02.800 Uh, and that's a big part of the, the American culture is very Protestant, very, there's a lot of Southern stuff, where this is the land of great awakenings and things.

00:37:12.140 And I think there is a big overlap with our political culture as well.

00:37:16.300 And so somebody like Trump, who is real, and there's also an overlap with capitalism, too.

00:37:21.440 The Power of Positive Thinking, Trump, that scene they had in Grand Rapids, the Betsy DeVos and Prince family up there.

00:37:28.600 They had a multi-level marketing thing, deeply connected to a Protestant church there.

00:37:32.940 It all kind of comes together, and it does form this, like, toxic blend of what you might call Americanism, what you might call an Americanist faith.

00:37:43.040 And, uh, and I think you're exactly right.

00:37:45.300 You can't save America without getting back to Christ, uh, which means getting back to being Catholic, actually, first.

00:37:52.480 And America didn't start out as a Catholic nation, but if it's going to, if it's going to persist, it has to wind up as one eventually.

00:37:59.560 Yeah, the Americanism religion you talk about basically just sounds like a Jewified Christianity, capitalism, again, a Jewish ideology, a Protestantism, I think.

00:38:09.780 When did that originate? That was like 600 years after Catholicism?

00:38:14.520 Uh, 16th century. So, so, I mean, Catholicism, we say, is, you know, eternal, but, uh, but it's been the 1500s.

00:38:22.120 So, 1500 years after Christ.

00:38:24.880 Yeah, so, this Americanism idea that if you pray, you're going to get a lot of money, that's very Jewish.

00:38:30.300 And, again, like, with the Judeo-Christian values, thinking that, um, the two can coexist because the Old Testament has laws,

00:38:37.160 it doesn't, it doesn't seem, it seems like this problem is always going to happen.

00:38:41.200 We'll get another Trump situation happen for the next, uh, 10, 20, 30 years

00:38:44.780 if there isn't some sort of Sharia law that, that supersedes the American, um, ideology.

00:38:52.120 And I, um, I'm wondering, what do you, what does the, um, can you explain what, what does the Catholic Taliban,

00:38:58.280 what does that look like? You know, cause I do, you know, I, people say that, um, I talk about that too much,

00:39:03.720 but I do think you're gonna, you could win in 2036. What does that look like?

00:39:08.120 What does the Catholic Taliban look like in America?

00:39:09.880 Well, you know, it's a recognition that every, all aspects of American political life and society

00:39:19.480 come from Christ at the center. Well, Christ and our European heritage is a huge part of it as well.

00:39:26.940 And so it's just a public recognition of what, what was private. You know, a big part of where America

00:39:33.320 went wrong is this establishment clause, uh, which really didn't get taken advantage of until the 20th

00:39:39.160 century, the establishment clause, which says Congress will not establish a state religion.

00:39:44.340 Because when you look at the American founding in the 18th century, each one of the respective

00:39:50.320 colonies actually had a state church. Each one of the 13, almost all of them had a state church where

00:39:57.060 the state authorized a specific church, a specific Protestant church. And so at the very beginning of

00:40:03.740 the country, it was like a Christian state. We did have a form of Christian nationalism and it wasn't

00:40:12.160 until the, and we had religious laws on the books. We had laws on the books regarding things that now

00:40:18.400 are considered the purview of, uh, you know, people say it's, it's the private domain, things like

00:40:23.820 sodomy and adultery and homosexuality, and even things like race mixing. There were laws on the books

00:40:29.700 in states. And it was even adjudicated at the Supreme court. It was not a hundred years ago

00:40:35.220 within the last hundred years where Supreme court justices said that, of course, we're not going to

00:40:40.640 allow gay marriage and sodomy. It's abominable. It's the oldest law of man. And it wasn't until,

00:40:46.320 and you know, the Jews take a lot of credit for this, the 20th century, that they began to drive a

00:40:51.200 wedge and say, no, no, that's the realm of the private domain. If you want to have pornography

00:40:57.440 and sodomy and gay marriage and surrogacy and contraceptives and abortion, well, that's really

00:41:04.180 your right. That's your prerogative. And we can bring in as many immigrants as possible because

00:41:08.880 this is a melting pot and it doesn't matter where they come from or what they believe or what they're

00:41:13.000 about. It didn't really happen until the United States fully liberalized in the past 100 years

00:41:19.340 that everything started to come apart. When we lost our Christian faith, we lost our European

00:41:24.360 heritage and our values and so on. So it's just about creating a closed society. We need to have

00:41:30.520 a president that's in office that says, you know what, this is a Christian nation. This is a, this

00:41:35.240 is a white nation. It's a European nation. And I don't think that means you can't have non-white

00:41:40.760 people living in it, but we could all recognize that if America was 90% Nigerian, it wouldn't be

00:41:46.880 America. If America was 90% Italian, it wouldn't be America. If it was 90% Brazilian, it wouldn't be,

00:41:53.220 it would be something else, you know? And so we need to have a president that lays that down.

00:41:58.700 And there does, we do need to circumscribe liberty. Everybody holds liberty as the highest value,

00:42:07.100 which now means freedom to be a degenerate, freedom to be a piece of shit, go on drugs,

00:42:13.440 get fat, cut your balls off, be a fag, do whatever you want. That's not what freedom means. Freedom means

00:42:20.200 actually freedom from temptation and sin, which enslaves us. Freedom means you can start a

00:42:27.620 business. Freedom means you can get married and have kids and take a stroll in the park

00:42:31.720 and be a good person. Freedom doesn't mean you can be a total, you know, loser. So that is kind of

00:42:39.020 the recapitulation of American political theory that needs to happen. I think Catholicism plays a big

00:42:45.540 part in that. I understand wanting to limit immigration the same way Japan does or other

00:42:50.820 nations like this that have a strong economy, but how could you justify no race mixing or limited,

00:42:57.240 like say a Nigerian Catholic wanted to enter? If it's Catholicism first, there's nothing in the Bible

00:43:03.200 that says that the race mixing is a sin or that, you know, immigration is a sin.

00:43:07.940 But St. Thomas Aquinas and the Catechism of the Catholic Church also say that a nation is not

00:43:15.840 obligated to bring in more immigrants than it can assimilate and handle and ones that don't respect

00:43:20.600 our customs and our culture. And so the problem with immigration is not necessarily that you get

00:43:26.640 some immigrants. The problem is they're fundamentally changing what the country is.

00:43:32.020 And the United States will not be the same country if it's majority African versus when it started

00:43:38.540 when it was 90% Northern European. And so there's nothing. And people always say that. They say there's

00:43:44.220 this tension between race and Christianity, but it's not true. I mean, for example, I, you know,

00:43:50.120 the Arab race has a very special role in Islam. You know, nobody can say we're going to write the

00:43:56.620 Quran in every language. We're going to say the Quran in English. Now Muslims would lose their

00:44:02.000 minds if they heard that.

00:44:02.920 Well, that's not a race thing. That's a language thing. Like it was, it was revealed in the Arabic

00:44:06.640 language, but even Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, he said that Arabs do not hold any

00:44:10.820 superiority over whites or blacks and that there's no, when we pray, we all, Arabs have no, uh, some

00:44:16.680 sort of superiority in Islam.

00:44:18.640 But they do have a special place in the history of Islam evangelizing the, well, if you could call it

00:44:24.440 evangelization or some might call it conquest, but, you know, taking over the whole Middle East and

00:44:29.160 spreading out and it is their language. And that is the land where the, you know, it's the Arab

00:44:34.400 peninsula where the religion came from and where the holy sites are. So, you know, being Arab is

00:44:39.520 quintessential to being Muslim. Now being white isn't quintessential to being Catholic or anything

00:44:46.060 like that, but the Catholic faith did evangelize the entire, or rather the European Catholic church

00:44:51.640 did evangelize the entire world. And so taking away Latin and taking away, uh, the European race,

00:44:58.000 I view it similarly. I, it's just not, it's just not appropriate.

00:45:01.840 But I mean, but Jesus spoke Aramaic. Like he, he wasn't speaking Latin and because it was revealed

00:45:06.520 in the Arab religion, it doesn't mean that Islam is, is an Arabic religion. That's just where it began.

00:45:11.700 Same thing with Christianity. You can't, I don't, there's nothing in the Bible that says that this is a

00:45:16.380 white religion just because it was evangelized by whites. But I, I would say that it's easy for

00:45:23.280 Muslims to say, to talk about this universalism, but mark my words, if the same thing was happening

00:45:29.520 to the Arab world that is happening to the United States, which is the death of the Arab race,

00:45:35.940 if the same thing was happening to Islam, which is the erosion of traditional Arab culture or Muslim

00:45:41.140 culture, Muslims would not be okay with that. Uh, but, but it's always weaponized against

00:45:46.280 Christians. People say, well, you're a universalist religion, but at the same time,

00:45:50.380 God created the nations. We believe that God created the nations and the church is the mother

00:45:54.620 of the nations. And we want to keep them. You know, we think there's something beautiful about the fact

00:45:58.520 that Spain has its own cathedrals and its own culture and Germany has its own in France and so on.

00:46:04.060 And these nations are being erased from the world. And same thing, and the United States arguably is

00:46:09.140 somewhat different in, uh, in ways which, you know, it's kind of beyond the scope of this

00:46:13.180 conversation, but you know, there's something wrong about that too. And there's nothing inherent

00:46:17.300 in Catholicism that says you can't preserve your identity. That's true. But also the Bible is written

00:46:22.640 in New Testament, it was in Koine Greek, not Aramaic. Yeah, but there's, but there's no such thing as like,

00:46:28.680 what do you think Muslim culture is? Well, it's the architecture, it's the language,

00:46:35.080 it's the way you dress. It's, it's all of it because Muhammad came from the Arabian Peninsula.

00:46:40.560 Yeah. But that's not, that has no, that has no basis in Quran or Hadith in scripture. That has

00:46:45.520 nothing to do with Sharia law. That goes back to the question I'm asking, like, what is the,

00:46:49.760 like Catholic law that you, that you would instill the, the culture that you're applying,

00:46:54.280 that's Arabic culture, but that's not synonymous with Muslim, with Islam.

00:46:58.380 So I'm saying that Islam has a tradition, just like Catholics and Christians have a tradition.

00:47:05.820 And I think tradition should be kept as well. And as far as religious law goes, I don't know if I

00:47:11.680 would, you know, you're always hung up on the rate. Look, we're both race mixed. Okay. I'm not a hundred

00:47:15.960 percent white. You're not a hundred percent anything. You're all over the place, but you know,

00:47:20.100 and, and the thing is like, I don't think there's anything necessarily immoral about race mixing.

00:47:24.720 I'm against it. I'm talking more strictly about immigration than I am the mixing,

00:47:29.620 the mixing one. Let's acknowledge the mixing is being promoted. That's the part, you know,

00:47:35.440 everybody always wants to pretend when it comes to race mixing that, you know, I woke up one day

00:47:40.120 and said, I don't like different people getting together. It's in every commercial, every commercial.

00:47:45.940 It's a nonwhite male and a white female, every TV show like that is just in the same way that

00:47:51.540 they're pushing homosexuality and transgenderism. And it's very overt. They are pushing the mixing.

00:47:57.000 Now there always has been mixing. And I was a product of it as well. You know, my grandmother

00:48:02.460 married a Mexican guy in the fifties, you know, and it wasn't done back then. So it's always been

00:48:08.340 going on, but it's being promoted. I think for sin, you, you have to really question the motivations

00:48:15.160 of why people are doing that. So, you know, if it was happening and you always have some of it,

00:48:20.000 although it's marginal, well, you know, we can be tolerant, but it's being promoted very heavily

00:48:26.100 with immigration, with the low fertility rates. And it combines where it's like, people clearly

00:48:31.900 don't want white people to be around anymore. It's clearly all together. It's very clearly

00:48:35.800 Jewish version. Just before you came on the call, I was watching the Minecraft movie trailer and I

00:48:40.420 hadn't seen it before the stream. And it's like, right away you get the, oh, hell nah. And you get

00:48:46.120 a fat transgender person. And then like, it's two white kids. And then around them is a fat tranny and

00:48:52.020 a fat black woman. And you're like, I see what you're trying to do. And then Jack Black shows up

00:48:56.220 and I didn't even know this. I look up his early life and he's Jewish. It's clearly that Jewish people

00:49:00.620 want to destroy Christianity and the unity that white people have because they're going to be easier

00:49:06.520 to conquer when they're divided. I mean, that's very clear. That's very clear. But

00:49:11.120 I understand. Yeah. But race mixing, there's, there's nothing, there's nothing sinful about

00:49:16.820 that. There's nothing that's wrong in Christianity about that. But I understand

00:49:20.760 your qualms with that. But where, where would you, this is something that I remember like

00:49:27.400 questioning this at Yale 24. Like if everything's going to be sourced to the Bible, where, where does

00:49:33.060 that lost, like, what is, what does that look like exactly? And do you do, would you listen to the

00:49:37.300 Pope if you were president? Because the Pope is the, is the figure of authority and Catholicism.

00:49:41.800 Would he be in charge of you? We wouldn't be in charge, but he would give counsel. He would give

00:49:48.320 counsel to the nations. And of course, of course, I would recognize the Pope's authority in a certain

00:49:53.420 sense and a moral authority. Obviously the Pope has political views that I disagree with, but on

00:49:59.020 matters of morality, of course, you should have counsel with the Pope. I mean, Catholics believe that he's

00:50:03.640 a representative of Jesus in the world. And he isn't Jesus, but he represents him, stands in for.

00:50:09.740 So of course I would do that. And as far as what it would look like, we need to get back to having

00:50:15.440 religion play a central role in American public life. That's the thing. Like, you know, you go at

00:50:21.380 the DNC, I don't think they said Jesus Christ one time, you know, and this is a Christian nation.

00:50:27.740 Like what year is it? Like for Jews, they have a calendar. For Muslims, they have a calendar.

00:50:32.540 For Chinese people, they Indians, they have a calendar. We have a calendar too. It starts when

00:50:37.140 Christ was born before Christ and in the year of the Lord. And yet you wouldn't know that if you go

00:50:43.360 to the DNC and practically, if you go to the RNC, the RNC, they have some Sikh prayer to

00:50:48.220 or yeah, right, exactly. And so, but, and here's the problem is if there is no, you know, and Islam is

00:50:59.640 about submission to God. In Christianity, it's about love of God, but, but it comes from a fear

00:51:05.660 as well. So there is, there is obedience. We would say it's obedience to God. We wouldn't put it in

00:51:11.300 quite the same terms, but it's very similar in a sense. And when you get away from that, which is

00:51:17.860 fundamentally about humility, recognizing the limitations of mankind, recognizing the inherent

00:51:22.960 sinfulness of some of our desires and some of our appetites. If you're not worshiping God,

00:51:29.540 if you're not subordinated and obedient to God, who are you obedient to or what? The devil, Satan,

00:51:37.180 you know, you're like, you're talking about just before I came on, idol worship, money, fame,

00:51:43.280 sex, power, whatever. So, you know, people, people approach religion and public life with some

00:51:51.000 trepidation. They're hesitant and fearful about what it represents. I'm fearful about the opposite,

00:51:57.200 which is if you don't have Jesus and the mother Mary and the Catholic church in the middle of it,

00:52:02.840 which represent goodness, self-sacrificing, love, humility, love of God, the eternal, the transcendent,

00:52:10.160 the imminent, what are you worshiping? And you see, it's totally hollow. At the Democrat convention,

00:52:16.540 it's abortion. It's literally killing babies. And they say it's about defects and rape.

00:52:22.420 No, we all know it's a form of birth control. We all know men and women are having a lot of

00:52:28.060 promiscuous sex. Sometimes the contraceptives fail and they get pregnant. And then they say,

00:52:33.340 oh, I don't want to put up with this kid. Let's kill it. And if you see what abortion is,

00:52:37.960 it is murder. Now, you know, people will say, well, what if you take a morning after pill?

00:52:42.860 Well, I suppose, you know, Catholics say that's the same. I understand why people say in principle,

00:52:48.500 it's different. But you're talking about in some cases, a pregnancy that's, you know, four or five

00:52:53.820 months in, that's like a baby. And it does look something like child sacrifice because you're

00:53:00.160 killing something that otherwise would have been a person out of convenience because you'd rather have

00:53:06.500 sex because you're overcome with lust. And that has become the center. That's in the heart

00:53:11.920 of the dominant political party. Like that is the uni party of America, the Democrats.

00:53:19.980 And that's their agenda is abortion. So without Jesus at the center, you know, Mother Mary and baby

00:53:25.860 Jesus, you get the inverse, which is abortion, killing a mother, killing her child. Instead of

00:53:31.200 the Virgin Mary obediently bearing the savior, the fruit of the womb, saying yes to the angel Gabriel

00:53:38.620 and having the child that saves mankind, women are killing their own children. And that's what the

00:53:43.100 Democrats are running on. And there's no party that's saying the Republicans are afraid to even

00:53:49.420 stand on it. They're saying, yeah, we're kind of pro-choice too. So that's what you get without

00:53:53.760 religion and public life. So it sounds like submission. The way you talk about it is identical

00:53:59.860 to what we believe in as Muslims. We do love Allah. We fear Allah, God. That's the same word.

00:54:06.560 And part of that love is worship. And that's part of what we're supposed to do. Part of submission is

00:54:11.040 worship because we believe that our natural state is going to worship something. And you notice that

00:54:17.060 even with atheists, the disbelievers, liberals, they end up worshiping something at the end of the day.

00:54:21.580 That's our natural state. We're going to always, always going to find something that is in charge of

00:54:26.820 us. And if that's not God, it ends up being for the destiny atheist type. It ends up being your

00:54:31.520 desires. It ends up being all the things that we restrict as Muslims. Like we don't believe in

00:54:36.620 drinking, sex out of wedlock. We restrict a lot of our innate desires. Things are going to give us

00:54:42.200 instant dopamine in order to serve Allah and to do what we're supposed to do because that's what he

00:54:48.380 wants us to do. So it sounds like what you're describing is submission. I've never heard. I'm

00:54:54.240 surprised you disagree with that. Well, because there's submission kind of implies, you know,

00:55:00.960 there are themes in submission, which are like humility, you know, and recognition of authority

00:55:06.540 and recognition of dominion. And in that sense, it's similar because we're, we approach God humbly and,

00:55:12.860 you know, we, we do recognize his authority and sovereignty. But I guess the aspect I disagree,

00:55:18.680 what Christians say is that God is love. And so it's, it's a fear of God, it's obedience of God,

00:55:24.820 but, but on the fundamental level, we would describe it as love. Submission to me sounds a bit more

00:55:30.260 coercive, whereas love is a bit more voluntary. It's a choosing of, in the sense that the creation

00:55:37.800 story of Christianity is that God gave us a choice. We have to choose God. He, he wants us to want him

00:55:44.700 back in a sense. He loved us first and we love him back. And, and then we have to apply that to

00:55:52.000 everybody. You know, we have to love the whole body of the church, the whole body of Christ as,

00:55:57.060 as we love God, which is to say, you know, we love other people. That's why Christ says the,

00:56:01.760 the greatest commandment is to love each other. And the greatest thing a person could do is lay down

00:56:07.020 their life for their fellow man. So I suppose, and I'm not an expert on Islam, so I can't make a

00:56:13.000 perfect contrast, but I guess that would be the main difference because of course, Christ dying on

00:56:18.680 the cross, uh, is the epitome of a loving sacrifice, God dying for us out of endless love. And so that's,

00:56:29.980 that's where, you know, I suppose it's a little bit different. I don't think there's any analog in

00:56:35.500 Islam. Yeah. I mean, it's similar, but, um, it still is, uh, we're going to worship and we love

00:56:42.740 God because he created everything. And it's just the objective reality. God exists. God created

00:56:47.260 everything. So naturally we worship and we serve him because that's what we're supposed to do. And

00:56:52.160 that's, that's our, our everyday function. And again, I, I want more Christians in America to

00:56:57.240 realize, and Trump is, is destroying that by posting negative things about Islam for no reason is

00:57:02.340 how many similarities we have. You know, we love Jesus is mentioned in the Quran more than

00:57:07.700 Muhammad peace upon him. Even Mary, for example, I grew up in a Catholic church before I, you know,

00:57:13.240 I was a disbeliever before I was an atheist for a long time in college in this. And Mary, if you see

00:57:17.960 the stained glass window, she's, she has her head covered the way Muslims do. Muslim women followed

00:57:22.480 the example of Miriam. And if you read the Jewish Talmud, they believe that Mary was a liar. They

00:57:28.160 believe that she was, you know, they believe very negative things about her, the words that I don't

00:57:32.580 want to use. And they believe that Jesus is literally burning an excrement in feces. That's

00:57:37.300 what the Talmud says. So people like Trump will speak about Judeo-Christian values. They'll use,

00:57:43.200 he'll use words like Palestinian as an insult, but he doesn't realize that if he is a Christian,

00:57:48.640 this, what we have in common is 99% of the issue. Again, we don't believe Christ is God.

00:57:54.940 The word Christ in Latinized Greek, it means Messiah, which we also believe, we believe Jesus

00:58:01.120 is going to return the same way you do and defeat the Antichrist. That's what this all goes down to.

00:58:05.680 If you see the celebrities with the one eye, if you look at the dollar bill with the Egyptian pyramid

00:58:10.100 and has the one eye on it, that's all allegiance to the jaw, which is the Antichrist. The Jews literally

00:58:15.140 believe that they have a different Messiah and that he's going to kill. They hate Jesus. They want to

00:58:20.860 kill Jesus when he comes back. We believe in the same Messiah and we have that in common, but so

00:58:26.280 many Christians, and I would maybe say so many Americans will be more specific, have no idea about

00:58:30.840 this. And they don't, they don't even, they don't take the time to look into this. Well, they don't

00:58:35.860 recognize the, you know, what Judaism is. I would say it's less because here's the thing. I mean,

00:58:43.460 Muslims and Christians, there's some similarities, but they are incompatible in the sense that we,

00:58:49.060 we do disagree about the nature of God, you know, and so that is something that is intractable and

00:58:53.940 Muslims and Christians want to evangelize. So, so we have similarities. We can kind of stand next to

00:58:59.740 each other, but you know, it does get a little tricky. The third element coming in is what really

00:59:06.000 kind of unites us, which is that we're both under occupation by the Jews in a sense, you know, I mean,

00:59:11.800 you've got Jewish influence in the Muslim world, you've got it in the Christian world. And,

00:59:16.200 and the thing that Christians don't get right is that Judaism is not the religion of the Old

00:59:21.280 Testament because after the Jews rejected Christ and before that also, but in the, in the intervening

00:59:28.460 2000 years, they have developed a completely different religion, whether it's mystical Judaism

00:59:34.720 with the Kabbalah or whether it's legalistic Judaism with the Talmud and there's tension and

00:59:40.460 fusion. And there's a, there's an interplay between those things, but they have developed a

00:59:45.220 completely different religion and Christians have it in their mind. Like you've got the Old Testament

00:59:49.760 and the New Testament and the Jews just got off before the note, the New Testament, they got off

00:59:55.080 at their stop. And so they're, they're the first episode and we're the sequel, but it's not true

01:00:00.980 because they continue to develop a religion, you know? And so you could ask somebody, is the Zohar a

01:00:07.880 Christian text? I mean, how does that have any relation to Christianity? The Zohar came in the

01:00:12.600 Middle Ages. They say it goes back to, to Moses or Abraham, but the Zohar has got nothing to do with

01:00:18.360 us. And the Talmud, the Talmud didn't come until 400 years after Christ. And they say that, you know,

01:00:25.320 the rabbis had been debating the Mishnah before, during the time of Christ, but they didn't put it

01:00:30.300 down and they didn't codify it. And, you know, they didn't complete it until a thousand years later,

01:00:34.960 practically. So, you know, and that's, that's where it really is a form of ignorance. And throughout

01:00:40.720 history, this has happened where, you know, for example, the disputation in Paris or in Barcelona

01:00:45.860 or in other cities in Europe, Christians found out about what the Jews were up to.

01:00:52.860 They found out in Paris that the Jews had a Talmud because the first Judeo-Christians were Jewish

01:00:58.380 converts to Christianity. And they went to the king and they said, hey, you'll never believe what the

01:01:03.060 Jews are doing. These are not the people of the Old Testament. They're not people of the book.

01:01:06.900 They're practicing witchcraft. They believe in mysticism. They have this Talmud and they held a

01:01:13.360 disputation, like a trial, like a debate about what's in the Talmud. And when the Catholics found

01:01:19.280 out about what's in it, they burned the Talmud. They organized an organized burning of the Talmud

01:01:24.520 across the whole city and they torched every copy of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So, so Christians

01:01:32.440 just really have no idea what they're dealing with. Even, you know, Candace Owens brought this up with,

01:01:37.340 with Rabbi Shmuley, this, this Rebbe of the Chabad Lubavitchers, Rabbi Schneerson,

01:01:44.980 who they worship. And Schneerson is considered a Messiah and the Lubavitchers are everywhere.

01:01:50.380 Kushner's a Lubavitcher. Millay is a Lubavitcher. The Lubavitchers have an audience with Putin and

01:01:55.360 Netanyahu and they were in the White House. And Schneerson believed that we're not human beings. He

01:02:02.000 believes that non-Jews have no souls and we're not human beings. We're cattle. And we should

01:02:06.720 worship the Jews because they're the ones that, you know, according to the Kabbalistic belief,

01:02:11.640 they're supposed to collect the shards and protect the divine spark. And so, and it's all this

01:02:16.700 nonsense. And Christians just have no idea about any of that. So you are right there. There's a deep

01:02:23.180 ignorance about the fact that Jews run America and what they actually believe.

01:02:26.840 I mean, that's the root of the issue. There's not an ethnicity problem with Jews. That's what

01:02:32.160 Muslims believe. We don't believe that the Jewish ethnicity or whatever, that there's,

01:02:35.900 that they're inherently evil. It's the tribalism that you see in the Talmud. You're smiling because

01:02:41.120 maybe you disagree, but it's the tribalism. It's the belief. This is the root of all evil is idol

01:02:47.900 worship. And they believe that they are the chosen people, that they had a different connection with

01:02:54.020 God and that they're the master race and they're superior to everybody else. Rabbinical Judaism,

01:02:58.600 because of so many different Jewish sects, rabbinical Judaism is the belief that like rabbis

01:03:03.760 are able to communicate with God. They're pretty much like walking prophets. They have some sort of

01:03:07.740 divinity. This is, this is the real issue. And I want to hear now, what, what, what is it specifically

01:03:15.080 with Islam that you, that you disagree with? And as, cause as Muslims, we believe that, that Jesus never

01:03:21.560 asked to be worshiped, that Jesus never, he never, when he was alive, there's no source of when he

01:03:27.400 said like, pray to me, there's no source where he ever claimed to be divine. In fact, many times

01:03:31.960 we believe that he said that he claimed to be a prophet. Um, and even the slogan I see all the

01:03:38.220 time, whenever I tweet about Islam, I have so many gorypers that reply, Christ is king. You know,

01:03:42.940 you have a, you have a very strong support base on X. And I like a lot of them because we agree about

01:03:47.240 so much, but they say Christ is king. And I, it got me thinking like, what does that even mean?

01:03:51.180 I've said it before at Fuentes rally too, because I think for America to actually become, you know,

01:03:56.360 to have Taliban rules is unlikely. And it's more likely that Christians have some sort of Sharia

01:04:01.920 law. But then I realized like, well, where is that? Because there's no law. There's no Christian

01:04:06.200 law specifically. And if you look at the, the phrase Christ is king, because, because if you believe

01:04:11.260 Christ is God, why don't you say Christ is God? If you say Christ is king, what he, I mean,

01:04:15.180 he literally wasn't king. He was never in charge. He was never, never the ruler of anything.

01:04:19.780 Muhammad, peace be upon him. He was actually the ruler. He governed the Arabian polizza at the time.

01:04:25.940 He was, he was, you could say that he was, um, a king, but Jesus is king. I don't understand where

01:04:32.260 this phrase came from. Well, the, the disagreement I have with Islam is I believe that Christ died on the

01:04:38.940 cross and was resurrected. Muslims believe he was replaced at the last second by a body double and

01:04:44.460 ascended into heaven and said to God, I don't know why they're worshiping. We don't believe that.

01:04:49.540 We believe that the crucifixion was an historical event and the resurrection was an historical event.

01:04:55.120 And that's the basis of the, we believe in the divinity of Christ. And if, if you believed

01:04:59.280 that Christ died on the cross, you'd be a Christian too. That's the disagreement. Um, and as far as Christ

01:05:05.280 being king, well, you know, Christ said, my kingdom is not of this world. It's, and that was the source of

01:05:11.180 the Jews frustration because the Jews were expecting a Messiah, but they were expecting

01:05:16.620 a King David. They were expecting a conquering Messiah who would be the King and make Israel the,

01:05:23.080 the center of the universe. That's what they wanted. And God didn't give them what they wanted.

01:05:28.840 God gave them a different kind of a King. And that's why they mocked him. You know,

01:05:32.400 on the gospel story, they put on his head, a crown of thorns and they gave him a reed. And they,

01:05:37.360 you know, they said, Oh, here he is King of the Jews. Here's your, they put them on a cross there.

01:05:42.800 Here he is the King of the Jews. And they mocked him. They mocked his claim to divinity,

01:05:48.020 but Christ said, I didn't come to conquer and be a King. I I'm from another kingdom,

01:05:53.140 a different kind of kingdom. And so that's what we mean. And we do say that Christ is God. We say

01:05:59.100 Christ is God. We say Christ is Lord. We believe that Christ is, uh, is just as much God as the

01:06:04.360 father and the Holy spirit, you know, and, and he did claim to be God. He said before Abraham was,

01:06:08.500 I am, because that's what God's name is, is I am. And when Jesus said that, that's when the Jews

01:06:14.960 said, he's a blasphemer. They said, he's claiming to be God, kill him. And that's really the thing is,

01:06:20.860 you know, there's, there's little dispute. You know, when you look at the stories about Christianity,

01:06:27.280 they date back really to the first century. And even the non-Christian sources date back to

01:06:32.820 the same time they're contemporary. There's no dispute that the crucifixion happened.

01:06:37.960 There is dispute about the resurrection. Obviously secular people don't believe it happened.

01:06:44.020 Uh, but there's really, you either believe that Christ was God or he wasn't, but there's really

01:06:51.020 no middle ground. You know, some people like to say, well, he was like this great social teacher.

01:06:55.280 Well, he was some other thing. He said he was God. So either he said he was God and he was,

01:07:01.200 and he rose from the dead or, uh, he wasn't and he died and that was it. Uh, but he did live. He did

01:07:07.700 get crucified and he did claim to be that. And that's where I think the Muslim position almost

01:07:11.640 makes no sense because it says there was by magic, a body double, the kind of came in. I don't even

01:07:17.680 know how that happens. No one talks about that. It's not magic. They say that the body was replaced

01:07:22.700 at the last second and Jesus was ascended. And the same time, like when you say, uh, we believe that

01:07:28.340 God breathed and he said, be, and Jesus appeared the same way you, you bring up that verse where

01:07:33.900 you say, I am, does that, can you really say that that's, uh, a source of him saying, claiming to be

01:07:40.260 God? Absolutely. Well, that's God's name. And that's what he meant. And there's, yeah, I am.

01:07:47.160 That's God's name. Yes. And that's why it was blasphemous. He said before Abraham was, I am.

01:07:56.220 And what does that mean? It means that, and, and, you know, that that's what God revealed his name

01:08:01.600 to be. And so he, you know, and Jesus was Jewish and he was saying that to the Jews. Of course,

01:08:08.800 he was in Judea. He was in Israel or the land of Israel. And so when he said that to them,

01:08:14.820 he knew what he was saying. They knew what he was saying. And that's why he was killed.

01:08:18.020 That's why they wanted him dead. And that's why they wanted Barabbas instead of Jesus,

01:08:21.500 because they said he's a blasphemer. He's a heretic. He's claiming to be God. And, um,

01:08:27.980 so yeah, so he did claim to be, he did claim to be God. And, um,

01:08:33.960 Of course we disagree. We disagree. I mean, I had no point, like there's nothing that,

01:08:37.940 that we could see where, where Jesus said, worship me specifically. And again, like if we're

01:08:42.360 going to, if we're going to follow, because we're going to say like, we follow in, um,

01:08:45.520 in this footsteps, Jesus worshiped God, you know, you put, you put his head to the floor.

01:08:50.080 We could have, of course, this, this debate has gone on for a long time and we don't need it to

01:08:53.920 go in there, uh, forever, but I do want to, I want, I want, I want, I'm not sure if you specifically

01:09:00.220 describe like what that, what that, what is that going to look like? Because if you look at your

01:09:05.760 beliefs, Nick, and everything that you're rejecting of abortion, of homosexuality, of, uh,

01:09:11.360 the infiltration and how ideas and culture and belief systems, morality, all that gets

01:09:17.420 subverted without religion, Islam and Sharia law fits into your beliefs, like pretty,

01:09:22.260 pretty identically.

01:09:26.040 I, you, it's almost like you want me to say, you're right. Sharia, we have to accept Sharia law.

01:09:32.200 Like I told you what it's going to look like. We, we want to get rid of the establishment clause.

01:09:36.520 We want a president that seeks counsel from the Pope. We want some laws that govern morality.

01:09:41.360 Like restoring some of the basic ones. Um, you know, but we don't have the same, I mean,

01:09:47.580 you're, you're an Islamist in the sense that, you know, Muslims believe that you should have a

01:09:52.180 theocracy, right? That you should have a religious law that governs civil matters as well.

01:09:59.020 And Catholics don't, don't have it in quite the same way, but, uh, but we want to have a

01:10:05.540 confessional state that is, I mean, idea, my ideal state is a Catholic King that is subordinate to

01:10:13.040 the Pope, but that probably won't happen in my lifetime. So, I mean, ideally what we'd like to

01:10:18.500 do is just get rid of liberalism altogether. And this idea that it's, everyone should vote and there

01:10:23.480 should be elections. I mean, we would want a King and maybe some kind of a, you know, Republican system

01:10:29.540 beneath that, aristocratic Republican system underneath that. Uh, but, you know, we would

01:10:34.620 want a Catholic King ideally, and we would want the, the King to function like the priest of the

01:10:39.980 nation. Um, and we would want something like that Catholics would real Catholics would. So, so

01:10:46.060 you want a monarchy in America? Yeah, that, that would be the ideal. That would be the dream.

01:10:51.820 Do you, do you, how, how realistic is that? It's not very realistic. It's about as realistic as an

01:10:59.840 Islamist caliphate. Yeah, that's a, that's a, that's a fair comparison. That's a, that's a,

01:11:07.220 we're both being, we're both being undermined by Jews, you know, but Muslims look, here's my gripe,

01:11:12.480 but Muslims always want to, they want to say, Hey, come on, we're best buddies. But then they're

01:11:17.160 always like, stop believing in Jesus. And you know, the West is so sick. It's like, okay. So

01:11:22.500 it feels like we're getting a little heat from Muslims all the time. Like, but, uh, we, we believe

01:11:28.840 in Jesus. We just believe that we just don't believe in worshiping him. We believe in his teachings.

01:11:34.540 Right. A hundred percent. You understand what I'm saying. Yeah, I get it. I get it. But do you,

01:11:38.560 do you agree with, um, yeah, I don't want to, we don't need to, uh, we're not going to change each

01:11:43.580 other's minds, but do you, do you believe in the idea of confession? Yeah, of course.

01:11:50.820 Yeah. That was, that was, uh, that was one, like when I grew up Catholic that I, that I never,

01:11:54.940 um, I could never get around because the way you live, and I've said this before, the way you live

01:12:00.300 and that righteousness is different from the way a lot of Christians view salvation, where they,

01:12:05.180 where Jesus saves you from all sin. And you see that a lot with a lot of modern Christians. Now,

01:12:09.480 a lot of modern, uh, Christian influencers where they, they sin publicly, they profit off of the sin

01:12:14.160 from porn, from gambling and this stuff. And they say Jesus saves and that they, they don't,

01:12:18.640 what they do, their actions, their righteousness doesn't matter because Jesus will save, um,

01:12:23.500 altogether. But yeah. But we, but we do believe that we do. Catholics do believe that because

01:12:29.960 every sin, even a minor sin damns us to hell because every sin offends God in, we have an infinite God.

01:12:39.480 Every sin offends God infinitely. And so, and, and no sin is permitted into heaven. You know, we can't,

01:12:47.740 we believe we go to heaven. We have the beatific vision. We encounter and see God. You can't be in

01:12:53.020 the presence of God with sin on your, cause sin alters your soul. So we believe that the only way

01:13:00.760 though, and, and, you know, we believe that before Jesus came, nobody was saved. That from Adam until

01:13:06.700 Jesus Christ, everyone went to a form of hell. And it wasn't until Jesus Christ died on the cross and

01:13:14.760 then descended into hell and liberated the souls that were in hell and let the righteous one go into

01:13:20.000 heaven that anyone got into heaven because it wasn't until Jesus saved everybody by dying. It had,

01:13:26.380 God had to suffer and die perfectly. There had to be a blood atonement for those sins. Otherwise they

01:13:32.360 could not really be forgiven. And once that happened, then people could become actually

01:13:37.560 forgiven. And then they could actually be, so that's why we say save the world because he freed

01:13:41.220 the souls in hell and he freed everybody else from death and from, we don't have to die. We get to live

01:13:46.040 forever with God and we get to be in heaven. And, uh, and the only way to access the salvation

01:13:52.180 is what we would call being in a state of grace. And being in a state of grace means that your soul is

01:13:58.100 clean. And we do that by confessing the sins and we confess the sins. We say, we're sorry. And the

01:14:04.360 priest absolves us just as Jesus did, or like his apostles, he, he granted the apostles, the ability

01:14:10.300 to forgive the sins on his behalf. And so when Jesus forgives the sins, they go away and then we

01:14:16.800 could be permitted into heaven. But Catholics also have a doctrine of purgatory, which is that if you die

01:14:23.220 and your, your soul isn't in a perfect state, the sins do have to be accounted for. And so purgatory,

01:14:30.780 we believe is similar in a sense to hell. It's extremely painful. And, uh, it's, it's a form of

01:14:37.100 punishment for every sin that, that wasn't accounted for. And then when you're, you achieve this kind of

01:14:43.240 purity, then you go to heaven, but it still does the function of the grace and salvation or rather

01:14:49.020 salvation is the grace. It is still Jesus. It's just that Catholics believe that in order to be

01:14:56.140 saved, you do have to repent the sins and you do have to live. You have to try to live a good life.

01:15:03.860 That's the thing that people always get wrong. People think that Catholics believe if I'm a good

01:15:07.500 person, I go to heaven. We don't believe that. We believe that if you're repentant and if you have

01:15:13.120 faith, you'll act in a certain way, you'll still sin and you still require the sacraments. That's the

01:15:18.840 difference. We have the sacraments, um, you know, but we still like Protestants believe that God's

01:15:23.940 grace saves us. They just believe that all, they believe like Muslims, all you have to do is say

01:15:28.380 the magic words. Like with you, it's, you know, Muhammad's the prophet and so on with, uh,

01:15:33.720 Protestants, they believe if you say, no, it's more than there's works involved and you have to,

01:15:38.020 you have to give charity that there's pillars of everything you have to do. You have to be a good

01:15:41.800 person. You know what I mean? Yeah. The basis is saying is saying that we worship God and God alone,

01:15:46.000 but, uh, there's works involved. I hadn't heard it described like that. I, I didn't know that there

01:15:49.880 was, uh, you know, that I, I didn't, I hadn't heard about the purgatory before. Um, do you believe in

01:15:56.880 original sin? I do. Yes. Okay. So do you, this is, it sounds like a facetious question. Like when you

01:16:05.520 see a baby and the baby hasn't been baptized, that baby is corrupted? Yes. Yeah. Everyone's

01:16:11.980 corrupted by original sin. Because think about it this way. Every baby left undetended would die.

01:16:19.360 And we believe that death is the punishment for the disobedience in the garden. That was the original

01:16:24.620 sin. And so things like death and suffering, and even the, the pain that a mother suffers when she

01:16:30.960 bears a child, you know, the need to eat, um, and aging and all those things are, are a symptom

01:16:37.220 because we believe that Adam and Eve were, were kind of like different beings. They, they were

01:16:43.300 perfect. They didn't die. They didn't need to eat. They didn't need, uh, the things that we need. They

01:16:49.360 were, they were made to live forever and they didn't need to have sex and they had no shame. And,

01:16:53.560 and they were, they lived, if you read the Bible, they lived a thousand years. And so there is this

01:16:59.020 degradation over the generations because of the poison of original sin. But we were in a perfected state

01:17:04.640 in the garden and it was the, the sin of disobedience and the curse that we got because of it, which is

01:17:10.560 why all these things happen. So, um, so yeah. And that's, you know, that's why we require baptism.

01:17:17.880 Yeah. Why would, why would babies that aren't Adam have to pay for the sins that they didn't commit?

01:17:26.700 Well, that's, it's sort of a mystical spiritual reason that, because Christians believe that

01:17:34.220 you know, we have two natures, we have a soul and we have a body. So we have, uh, a flesh and blood,

01:17:41.340 but we also have an, an immaterial, we would say lacking substance, but having essence,

01:17:47.360 we have a soul as well. And so the soul was changed by original sin and the soul cannot be in the

01:17:55.600 company of God if it has sin. So it's, it's kind of like a mystical explanation because I understand what

01:18:03.080 you're saying. You look at a baby and a baby is unblemished and a baby is innocent and a baby looks

01:18:07.800 new, but its soul is different because of the effect of original sin. It's like a cute baby,

01:18:14.200 goo goo gaga with the corrupt soul. It's just this evil soul. Um, that's the, it's unfortunately the

01:18:20.980 effect of, uh, because that, that is the creation story in Genesis, you know, that we were banished from

01:18:26.740 the garden. And now, uh, now we're, we're fundamentally changed by that. Was Jesus baptized?

01:18:34.680 Uh, yes. Yeah. By John the Baptist. Okay. What about turning, uh, last like Christian question,

01:18:40.500 I just, but do you believe in turning the other cheek? Yeah. What does that mean?

01:18:47.880 You know, Christians believe that turning the other cheek means like, you have to let people kill you.

01:18:53.080 Like if someone comes at you with a gun, you have to be like, bring it up, you know, like send me to

01:18:59.060 hell, send me to heaven, you know, like, but it, but it doesn't. It means in the context of the Bible,

01:19:06.900 it really means forgiving, like petty insults. It's really more about humility. And of course,

01:19:12.460 Christians are not supposed to seek revenge. So turn the other cheek means, you know, you're supposed

01:19:18.140 to overlook petty insults and not, you know, it's kind of like a spirit of not being vengeful

01:19:23.400 and wrathful in general, but it doesn't mean you can't like defend or protect yourself if that's

01:19:28.180 where you're going with that. Cause that's what people always say. They're like, uh, if you don't

01:19:32.260 let someone kill you, you're not, you're not a Christian. Cause Christ would have said, turn the

01:19:37.560 other cheek. I mean, you can defend yourself and you can protect yourself. Uh, but it means you have

01:19:42.280 to have a kind of forgiving attitude, magnanimity. So if someone slaps you in the face, do you forgive?

01:19:54.800 You're supposed to. Yeah. I mean, you know, if someone's, if someone's attacking you,

01:20:00.640 you're supposed to get away from them or you chuck the Sprite right back at them.

01:20:06.180 Well, that was a self-defense situation. Okay. I don't know if you have the situational awareness,

01:20:13.280 but that in and out was about to blow up. There were a lot of, I identified a lot of hostiles,

01:20:18.280 a lot of red dots on my radar on the mini map. So I was like, Hey, we got to get, and we did,

01:20:26.280 we left. Didn't we? We did. We got out of there. We left. It could, I don't know if we turned the

01:20:31.840 other cheek. We definitely, we threw, uh, well, yeah, that, that situation. I actually, I think

01:20:37.780 the Sprite made, um, the enemies more alert in the situation. The UAV radar was, was red. They were,

01:20:43.360 they were highlighted, but even though you're, um, yeah, I watched a lot of your stuff and you're

01:20:49.760 doing, you're doing very, very well right now. I think your, your career is probably at an all-time

01:20:53.960 high. Is it not? Um, yeah, I think so. I think, um, you know, the reality of my career is that I

01:21:01.580 really got set back after the 6th. After J6, I got totally ruined and I had to build it back

01:21:08.180 really from nothing. I literally had nothing after January 6th in terms of money, in terms of

01:21:15.320 everything. Um, so I built it all back and now it's, it's probably the biggest it's ever been.

01:21:21.540 So yeah, things are going pretty well. Thanks to Rumble and X mainly. Yeah. And you as well. I mean,

01:21:27.340 so what's going on with you? You're on X now. Is that real? What do you mean? I'm on X.

01:21:32.520 You, a sneaker updates that you've got a contract with X. Is that just, I, that's just, I don't even

01:21:37.580 know what he posts sometimes. Okay. Okay. I don't want, I don't want to push it there. That's not

01:21:41.540 true. You get a hundred million dollars from Saudi Arabia. No, he was, he messaged me. He said that

01:21:46.940 you unfollowed him. He said, yeah. Okay. Because Tristan Tate tweets a video where they're like,

01:21:55.100 Oh, Nick Fuentes is so funny. And then what is your updates channel do? Post a clip of me saying

01:22:00.220 they should be in jail. What the fuck? Like, what are you trying to do, man? So yes, I soft blocked

01:22:08.020 him. You did. Oh, he, he, he said about that. He said about that. I think he, I told him to delete

01:22:14.580 it. It's gone now. Good. Okay. Good. Yeah. I don't, I mean, look the Tates and I, we had a back

01:22:20.080 and forth, but then, you know, we came together. We don't need to remind everybody of all the bad

01:22:25.820 blood. I'm like, what's this guy's problem? What's this guy's problem? Updates channels always

01:22:30.780 stirring the pot, man. Hey, they're engagement farmers. He's, he's good at his job, but he is. He is

01:22:36.480 good at his job. He's very good. So you're, I mean, yeah, you're, you're clippers too. They're,

01:22:40.120 they're like on, on everything I post, but even though like, even though your career is probably

01:22:44.500 in the best situation it's been ever, you seem angry. You seem, I understand like Candace said

01:22:51.360 on, on Aiden stream, she's like, he's 26 and he's really angry. And she, she has a, that's an

01:22:58.400 accurate observation of you recently. It's like, I look at you, it's, but I mean, it's justified,

01:23:03.700 but is there not, um, are you, are you not happy with your accomplishments?

01:23:10.160 Um, well, there's a few questions there. I mean, when she said I'm angry, she said, well,

01:23:16.860 she goes, I understand why he's angry because he got canceled by the Jews, but now it's time for him

01:23:23.440 to figure out what he's going to do. It's like, okay, but if you watch the long arc of my show,

01:23:30.300 I'm really not an angry guy. I get, I'm an entertainer and I do a show and I get a little

01:23:35.320 animated, but I'm really not motivated by anger. You know, I've forgiven a lot of people and,

01:23:41.400 and everything. Um, so I thought that was kind of like a backhanded diss. That was like

01:23:47.640 a passive aggressive diss. Um, and it's also like a, this, like a typical woman thing. She goes,

01:23:54.260 well, he's a poor baby. He got victimized and then he was mad, but now he needs to move on.

01:24:00.980 It's like, okay, well, first of all, I didn't get mad. I got canceled and blacklisted from everything.

01:24:07.820 Okay. Big difference. It's like, she's acting like, you know, they, they were mean to me and I was upset.

01:24:14.120 Uh, no, they went after me for years, lying about me, banning me from social media,

01:24:19.840 banning me from payment processors, banning me from blacklisting me from CPAC, from everything,

01:24:26.060 disavowing me, lying about me. And I fight back. When people lie about me, I correct the record.

01:24:31.540 When people ban me, I, you know, go on an alternative site, whatever. So that's like a

01:24:36.960 kind of shitty, dishonest way to portray it. As far as my attitude right now, I am very short-term

01:24:45.180 pessimistic because of what we're getting from Trump, you know, but I don't, I don't know that

01:24:49.760 I would say that I have anger as a guy. I'm very angry about the fact that Trump is not giving us

01:24:56.200 a good option to vote for. And so I am a little bit pissed off about that, but I think that's

01:25:02.060 justified. I think that all things considered what I, and a lot of people went through and really just

01:25:06.680 the whole story for Trump to turn his back on everything and now embrace the antithesis of what

01:25:12.080 he ran on initially. It is very frustrating. So I would say it's not so much an anger so much as

01:25:17.860 I'm, I'm very frustrated. There's like a self-righteous indignation about it. And, you know,

01:25:26.640 and as far as my accomplishments, I mean, look, I'm not a guy, I'm not the guy that kind of leans back

01:25:31.840 in my chair and says, we did it. I'm finally famous again, you know, making a lot of money. That is

01:25:38.180 true. I'm making a lot of money lately and my show's doing well, but I'm, I'm really not to be

01:25:44.120 a, you know, gay about it or whatever, but I really am about the mission. I could be as rich and famous

01:25:50.320 as possible, but I want the, I want the message to be out there. I want the message to win. And, uh,

01:25:56.620 if, if I cared about those things, I would have sold out. You know, if I cared about career success,

01:26:00.940 I'd be, I could be the biggest thing in the world right now. If I would just be supportive of Israel

01:26:05.660 case in point, look at someone like destiny, what an easy go he has because he's a Zionist.

01:26:11.240 So I'm really just frustrated about, yeah. Oh, collabs, YouTube brand deals, you name it. And

01:26:18.180 you too, by the way, I mean, you'd be, you'd be the number one thing on, on kick or whatever,

01:26:23.740 but of course Jewish, you know, there's, there's like something going on and I like Aiden Ross,

01:26:29.180 but let's be honest, someone's allowed at Mar-a-Lago. Let's just put it that way.

01:26:35.840 Yeah. And he's, I like them, but yeah, so do I. He really does have a, have a good heart. I mean,

01:26:41.760 he, he recently said that he doesn't like Zionism, but, um, we should talk to him. Like,

01:26:47.840 maybe I could add him to this or something. I don't, I don't speak to him much anymore,

01:26:50.800 but he said he's against Zionists. I don't think he knows what it means. I think he saw speed,

01:26:54.660 um, talk about Zionism and make that face. And he's like, yeah, I agree. But in that interview,

01:27:01.160 he's, uh, Trump asked him, do you remember, there was a point where she was like, do you like Israel?

01:27:04.320 And I'm like, okay, Trump did the stream because it's like, someone told him he's the Jewish

01:27:08.000 streamer. And it is like, yeah, I like Israel. And like, yeah, well we need to, it's our biggest

01:27:12.340 ally and just all this yap. And it is nodding his head. And I'm like, oh my God. And then Candace

01:27:17.220 does the stream and it's like, everybody is spamming Nick and Aiden asked about Sneeko, but you know,

01:27:23.340 Candace is like, okay, they're calling me an anti-Semite right now. Let me get on with the

01:27:26.560 Jewish streamer who's popular, the young Gen Z Jewish streamer and calm down the anti-Semitic

01:27:31.860 allegations. And it's just, um, you know, it's an uphill battle, but I don't, um, I don't, I don't

01:27:38.780 get too bitter about it. And you're right. People ask me like, oh, when are you going to enjoy your

01:27:42.920 career, like quit and have a family? It's like, if I wanted to do that, I would have done it a while

01:27:47.100 ago. And I would have taken, you know, I would have taken the gambling deal. I would have taken a lot

01:27:51.620 of deals that were, that were presented, but it really is about the truth. It really, that's what

01:27:56.200 this is all about. You have to just got to, you know, and there's the biggest awakening ever. So

01:28:01.460 even though it seems like it's a, it's an U S is going to be bad. And then for the next 10 years,

01:28:05.700 if we're going to be realistic, maybe we can touch on that for, I'm not sure how much time you have,

01:28:10.180 but it's going to, it's going to be bad for a while. I'd say five, 10 years, it's going to get worse.

01:28:15.520 There's going to be more abortion. And you're right. People are now saying like the woke mind virus is

01:28:19.580 gone because someone like Elon took over X, but it's only like calming down because of how

01:28:24.880 successful they were at infiltrating the culture at changing everything. And the way we see gender

01:28:29.960 at the way we view abortion and movies and everything. And all the comedians suck now because

01:28:36.140 of, you know, they're, they're all silenced by everything, our belief system, you know, how the

01:28:40.920 Holocaust has become a religion for so many people. The funniest thing is like Ethan Klein, uh, he challenged

01:28:46.520 me to a debate and ran away. And then I was like looking into his, uh, his history and he literally

01:28:50.720 met his IDF wife in a Holocaust museum on a birthright trip to Israel. It does not get more.

01:28:57.640 It does not get more Jewish than that. And yeah, the only reason that that seems like the woke mind

01:29:02.440 virus is calming down and maybe the pendulum is going to swing, right? They give Elon Musk Twitter

01:29:06.360 now to kind of like push back at all the craziness that happened during COVID. And then they ban everybody

01:29:11.640 again. And then maybe like guys like Barry Stanton are another AI psyop that were part of the fake

01:29:17.100 Trump pages from 2016 to get everybody to hate on Indians. So they get banned as well. So it's,

01:29:23.060 it seems like it's nice now, but I don't think you could ever get, you know, you, we can't get too

01:29:26.800 complacent because they really, they, they will shut you down when they feel like they need to.

01:29:33.720 Yeah. I think it is going to get worse. I mean, you know, and I, you're referencing that. I think

01:29:39.520 that tweet I made where I said that wokeism properly understood was a process. It's not a

01:29:46.140 phenomenon. It's a process where, you know, America is changing. It's becoming more liberal,

01:29:52.300 more secular, more Brown, more female, more everything. And the problem is the population

01:29:57.460 have these attitudes. They have, they did have these deep seated attitudes about all those things

01:30:03.360 about race, gender, tradition, et cetera. And wokeism was very overt, very big, very aggressive.

01:30:12.320 I feel like they browbeat everybody in a submission. And then once everybody was cured of their,

01:30:20.260 their real racism and real misogyny and real whatever, wokeism was allowed to recede a little

01:30:26.320 bit. And you realize that nobody is really racist anymore. Nobody is really sexist anymore. No one's

01:30:32.140 really any of those things anymore. Even your most hardcore Republican is saying, yeah, the Republican

01:30:39.960 party should have more diversity and it should have women in it and it should be secular. And, you know,

01:30:46.760 in essence, it worked. We have two parties that are feminist, pro-gay, pro-diversity, pro-everything.

01:30:54.780 And you'd be hard. And people like myself who actually represent old world attitudes about any of that

01:31:01.200 were relegated to the fringe. We're called the extreme, the alt-right, the Nazis, the fanatics,

01:31:07.100 the whoever. And I think that in that sense, wokeism can be viewed as a success. Everyone is,

01:31:12.180 is fundamentally woke. And yeah, they, they did away with some of the more oppressive, suffocating

01:31:20.820 speech regulations, you know, like now, yeah, you can crack some jokes and it feels like it's a little

01:31:27.280 bit looser now, but that's only because it basically worked. There was a chilling effect.

01:31:32.440 Everyone was destroyed. And now it's receding a little bit now that everyone learned how to play

01:31:37.020 nice. And, um, you know, and even now it's like, you, you have these like fake, fake non-PC people

01:31:44.500 like Bill Burr. Bill Burr is like the perfect example of someone that went into the re-education camp

01:31:50.300 because he used to be legitimately like sexist or legitimately, whatever. Now he's got his black

01:31:55.980 wife and now he went Hollywood. And now all these faggot liberals go to his show and they think it's

01:32:00.940 super edgy because he cracks a joke about, you know, all these white women, they didn't have to deal

01:32:07.000 with slavery. What's the deal with that? It's like, that's actually not edgy. That's actually like a

01:32:11.920 liberal joke. So I feel like that, that is what has really taken place. And everybody thinks, uh,

01:32:18.040 you know, that we won. I, I really questioned that. It's funny. Cause even though I pushed back

01:32:23.480 on your, your white identity thing, the place that I want to move to, I've been all over the

01:32:28.420 world. I do so much. It's the first time I'm back in America in about two months, just came from

01:32:32.260 Saudi. And you saw me with the robes and the sandals and stuff and the curvy swords. My favorite

01:32:37.080 place in the whole world so far is Bosnia. Love this place. And I I've even all been pushing back

01:32:43.500 against your race mix to get stuff places like 99% white. They're Muslim.

01:32:47.800 They don't dress like in the, you know, in the robes and the curvy swords, they're Muslim,

01:32:52.260 but, and they're European too. They have European food, a lot of European culture,

01:32:55.720 but I realized like, why do I like this place? It's like, okay, there's no McDonald's. There's

01:33:00.600 not, there's, if we're going to be realistic, I maybe wouldn't have said this a couple months

01:33:03.620 ago. There's not a strong Jewish influence. You don't see it anywhere. It's far away. A lot

01:33:08.020 of the young people I talk to are very red pilled about certain world events and certain world

01:33:12.300 leaders. They're willing to talk about it. You can make those jokes. And it's also extremely Muslim.

01:33:17.020 So I can, I can pray my, my five daily Salah. I could do everything. All the food is halal.

01:33:23.080 The place is a, the place fits exactly what I want. And I was realizing there like, wow,

01:33:28.300 maybe my, my favorite place is like the furthest away from Jews and black people. Am I racist?

01:33:33.160 Why would I, I highly recommend that you check a place like this out. I see myself hiding.

01:33:38.880 We're not, not hiding, but if the U S is going to get worse with the wokeism and I don't even

01:33:45.180 like the word wokeism, just like with the very clear Jewish infiltration of cultures and ethics,

01:33:50.720 because let's see what they, I mean, Christianity got subverted in America and Jews come in and they

01:33:56.520 do things that Islam forbids like usury banking, evil banking. They introduce porn to people. They make

01:34:02.700 everybody think that they're confused. They introduce gender ideology, feminism, they subvert

01:34:07.660 and they get extremely rich and then everybody doesn't know what happened. So I see myself living

01:34:13.020 in a place like that for a while, but at the end of the day, you're right. Like I am born in New York.

01:34:17.060 I am a, I am an American and I don't want to, I don't want to ditch my, my native land.

01:34:23.940 You're an American. Never forget that. It's our, it's our birthright. We get to be American. And like,

01:34:30.580 I've really been on that lately because there's so many foreigners in politics and they're trying

01:34:35.500 to wreck our country. And you know, they, on some level, they have some antipathy towards us. Like,

01:34:41.680 you know, a lot of these other countries, all of, I'm not even talking about Muslim countries,

01:34:47.460 a lot of, even European countries, they have this antipathy towards America. Uh, even, even my guys,

01:34:54.020 even my people in Europe who are right wing, I'm not going to name any names, but they have this

01:35:00.000 veiled hatred, seething resentment for America because we're awesome because we're awesome. And we run

01:35:06.180 everything and we're the biggest and the best. And I don't think that, uh, we should compromise

01:35:11.420 that identity, even though we, it's interesting because we both have gone different paths in a

01:35:16.400 universalist direction, white identity and Catholicism or Islam. Uh, but I still think

01:35:21.840 that we should retain that American birthright. It is who we are. I think American identity matters.

01:35:27.000 So as, as much as, and you know, Hey, like being white is kind of a part of that. Like American

01:35:32.280 identity won't be the same when it's all, you know, Indians and Chinese people and Mexicans.

01:35:38.240 Yeah, but I am, I'm a Muslim first and an American second. And I, in my opinion, this is this, I would,

01:35:46.500 I, if I were you, I would say crisis King first and then, uh, America first second, because that's

01:35:51.440 how America got subverted. That's how Americanism took over this capitalist idea, this, this culture

01:35:56.880 of fat Americans and worshiping Trump is because people believe that patriotism and the symbols of

01:36:03.220 America, the statue of Liberty, they treat that like a religion instead of prioritizing

01:36:07.880 Christianity. Yeah. But I mean, we also do have a political problem and look, I am a Catholic first,

01:36:15.400 but I do run a political movement. I'm not a priest. That's the thing. I mean, cause I don't

01:36:21.060 even think I'd be the best representative cause I'm not the most disciplined Catholic and I'm not

01:36:25.180 the most knowledgeable, but I'm a political reformer and the political problem is the lack

01:36:31.400 of sovereignty. And that is a big part of why we're being subjected to so much propaganda. So I'm a

01:36:36.660 Catholic first as a guy, but I run a political movement. Um, and that, that is really an American

01:36:42.220 sovereignty movement. Cause that's, this country's being raped to death by spies and foreigners and

01:36:47.680 foreign Intel agencies, billionaires, transnational companies. And, uh, until we can get, until we can

01:36:54.760 get some order, it's going to be very difficult for any kind of social movement to take root. That's my

01:37:00.180 firm belief. Yeah. And now people in the chat are saying that I need to be deported and I'm not a

01:37:05.600 real American. Yeah. But this is where like, you can stay. There's a good example of, I was born here.

01:37:13.280 There's a good example of like that white identity patriotism thing getting subverted, um, with Steven

01:37:19.160 Yaxley Lennon and his fake name is Tobby Robinson. This guy, apparently he's Irish or something,

01:37:25.460 but he comes in and it says like Britain first, all this. And when you put patriotism ahead of

01:37:31.420 religion, look how easily it got subverted by the Jews. Mossad clearly funds this guy. Mossad

01:37:37.520 clearly wants him to stir up divisions and demonize Muslims, even though Muslim immigration in the UK

01:37:41.980 is not even the majority it's Indians, Hindu Indians make up the majority, but he's blaming, uh, Islamists

01:37:48.280 and jihadists when they didn't even do the knife crime that they're blaming, uh, the riots for.

01:37:53.280 It's like Muslims for the most part are, are participating in society in a healthy way.

01:37:57.940 They're not causing destruction. They're not getting in the way of whatever white identity

01:38:02.540 that they're scared of losing. A lot of them are, I mean, the overwhelming majority of Muslims in the

01:38:08.540 UK are, they're just living the way that they're supposed to live under the rules of Islam.

01:38:15.000 Yeah. I mean, I think that Tommy Robinson has an ulterior motive. I think that obviously he's a,

01:38:22.200 he's a shill and he's a spy for Israel. And his job is to vilify Muslims because that is what

01:38:30.580 justifies wars in the Middle East. And that is what fortifies the position of the Jews in these

01:38:36.400 societies in Europe and America. At the same time, there is a demographic problem. I mean, English,

01:38:43.000 white English people are the minority in London and, you know, Muslims aren't the only ones.

01:38:48.600 It's Indians and it's, you know, it's other types, it's Africans, it's other types of people, but

01:38:53.580 it's Caribbean people. But that is a problem. Don't you? I mean, you don't probably see it that

01:39:00.080 way because you would like to see the whole United Kingdom be under Sharia law, but yeah, but, uh,

01:39:07.920 you know, there's, there's more diversity in London than there is in Africa or in the Middle East.

01:39:12.820 And that's a problem, you know, I mean, so these people are being genocided and look,

01:39:18.680 I'm not English at all. I'm not a lick of English. I'm Irish, which is about as close as it comes to

01:39:24.040 it. So I don't say this is like, you know, people say, well, you're, well, you're a fuentes. Okay.

01:39:29.080 I don't have a dog in the fight, but I still think there's something wrong with English people being

01:39:33.640 wiped out. You know, that's, that's their homeland. That's their ancient homeland of their people.

01:39:38.340 And they're being replaced in their own land. And, uh, I think that's a sad thing.

01:39:43.300 Yeah. But guys like him, they come in, they talk about a real problem, right? Uh, that there's a

01:39:48.440 white genocide going on, but they blame Muslims for no reason. Like there should be more encouragement

01:39:53.140 for white people to have a lot of kids. They're not because their culture got gay really quick.

01:39:58.400 I mean, let's be real. It got subverted by LGBT, by feminism. A lot of women are in their thirties.

01:40:02.820 They don't want to have kids. They want to be independent girl bosses. Gay people came in.

01:40:06.360 And transgenderism came in. And that's, that's a part of the reason the population is a growing

01:40:10.220 that's what they don't talk about. That's what a lot of whites in the UK, not you specifically

01:40:14.360 don't talk about is that the reason that the whites are getting genocide is not just

01:40:18.040 because of immigration. It's because whites are not having kids as much. And there's,

01:40:21.820 there's a real issue there. Um, also they say like, Oh, we need to deport them all. We need

01:40:26.300 to deport. How is that going to happen? Right. These people have passports. A lot of the people

01:40:30.340 with, with sandals and robes that you talk about that I hang out with in London, they're born in

01:40:33.820 the UK. So how would they be deported? It's just like, it's something that, that white people type

01:40:38.240 online, but there's no actual solution there. There's, there's no real, the real solution would

01:40:43.260 be, Hey, have four wives and have a lot of halal sex, get them all pregnant and have 10 kids.

01:40:50.640 There's a lot of guys. I met some, some guys in Bosnia specifically. And I, it's crazy to me that

01:40:55.000 I don't see people in Europe talk about this. There's like some white Bosnians I know have

01:40:58.980 multiple wives. These guys have like 10, 12 kids. And you see a lot of the, the people online

01:41:04.220 talk about how they, they want to have this many kids. They want to like create, have like a bunch

01:41:08.160 of strong sons and all this. I, the only people that I've met, the only white people that I met

01:41:12.800 are doing that are Muslim. Yeah. But I mean, here's the thing on some level, if there were no diversity

01:41:21.900 there, it wouldn't be a pronounced problem because the population can shrink and it can recover.

01:41:27.880 But if it's replaced and then subjugated politically, it's over. So if the Muslims come

01:41:33.640 in while the whites are diminishing and then they take over politically like they are, because you

01:41:38.160 know, the, the prime minister was, uh, was Brown, you know, the guy in Ireland was Brown guy in

01:41:44.520 Scotland was Brown. They're all Brown. Uh, then they get subjugated and then, then they become a

01:41:49.420 permanent minority and an underclass. And that's really the issue. I mean, how would you feel?

01:41:53.820 I mean, you're from America, but how would Muslims feel if Saudi Arabia opened it up

01:42:00.580 and you had a bunch of Westerners, you had a bunch of white people hanging out in Riyadh and then

01:42:06.120 Mecca and Medina, you know, smoking weed and playing bongos and listening to the Eagles and,

01:42:12.720 uh, and all that people say, this is blasphemous. Get out of here. You know,

01:42:16.680 this is the land of the prophet. It's the same thing. It's kind of like, yeah,

01:42:20.100 we don't want to hear the call to prayer in London because London's like a Christian European

01:42:24.420 city state has been for a thousand years, you know? And so that's kind of the same feeling.

01:42:30.060 And by the way, the, here's the thing, like, and I get it, you know, guys like Suleiman and other

01:42:35.180 Muslims, they're like, well, you know, white people need to have more kids. Okay. What they're not going

01:42:41.260 to like is the fact that if white people got the life force to have more kids, because the problem is

01:42:46.380 they have no life force. There's no, the men are weak. There's no, there's no like desire for life.

01:42:53.760 If they had it, they would be intensely xenophobic and racist. If white people had the life force to

01:42:59.960 go and, and get down, like you're saying, and have tons of kids and be men, you know, that means high

01:43:06.020 T that means, that means, you know, sex crazy. And for white people to do that, they're going to not

01:43:13.120 like foreigners. So like, it is going to involve like ultimately a race war. Well, however it

01:43:20.920 happens, you know, and Muslims like to say, well, you guys just need to have more kids. Okay. Well,

01:43:25.980 if the white men get really pissed and want to have kids and their love being white, they want to have

01:43:31.160 white kids. You think they're also going to say, Hey, but I love diversity to look at all my brown

01:43:36.260 friends. This is fine. No, they're going to want to kick them out. So it's kind of like, be careful what

01:43:42.080 you wish for. I mean, on some level, it is a conflict. It's a race conflict. It's a religious

01:43:46.840 conflict. There's no getting around that. And it's brought on by globalization and, you know,

01:43:52.200 some of these trends. I just, it's more of a religious problem than a race problem because

01:43:57.360 like that, that white guy playing the bongos is not going to go to Saudi Arabia because he has no

01:44:02.000 reason to, when he could do that in a Western place, that's, that's liberalized and that's going to

01:44:05.760 accept it. Right. I actually know a lot of Americans that have moved and have uprooted. There's this one

01:44:10.360 guy, Mutabil. He used to be in Tupac's group. And now he has a restaurant in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

01:44:15.320 And he brought, um, he makes ribs like Southern black people. He brought like a, one of those,

01:44:21.060 like a Southern meat. I don't know what the word is, but he has a restaurant like that in Saudi

01:44:25.840 Arabia and he's Muslim and he's contributing to society and he's allowed. He, they, they let him,

01:44:29.940 um, immigrated to the country. Fine. The reason that he goes there is because of religious reasons.

01:44:35.200 And that's why it's accepted. A white guy is not going to go to Saudi Arabia because if he wants to

01:44:38.720 smoke weed and do that, he's just going to stay home. Yeah. I'm not sure what the point is. I mean,

01:44:45.220 I think that a lot of Muslims resent the fact that the Muslim world is being Westernized.

01:44:52.180 The only difference is that it's not, it's not a demographic issue because, you know, our countries

01:44:58.580 are richer, white countries are richer and kind of generally, you know, have better quality of life.

01:45:04.720 Uh, and our population is dying. But, you know, if the Muslim world was such an attractive place to

01:45:10.620 live and if we had more people, we would probably be moving there and Muslims would like it in the

01:45:15.420 same way. They don't like this cultural hegemony that the West exerts, even though our population's

01:45:19.720 going away. And, and all, all that is to say is like, you know, look, the problem isn't just that

01:45:25.400 whites aren't having kids. It's that there is a significant foreign element. And, uh, as, as long as

01:45:31.140 there is difference, there's going to be conflict. It's really that simple. Diversity is not a strength.

01:45:37.100 I mean, these, these people come here and like, look, they have different culture, different

01:45:41.700 customs, different beliefs. And the more that they have to deal with each other on a daily basis and

01:45:46.360 fight for the same resources, they're going to fight. That's the history of civilization. So, um,

01:45:53.780 so I don't think that it's a remedy to just say, Hey, uh, have more kids. It's like, well,

01:45:57.980 if you have more kids, there's, you're going to still going to be an issue. I mean, that's what,

01:46:02.540 that's what I love. That's what I resonated with Islam always. And why like the, the teaching,

01:46:06.880 well, the book of Malcolm X always made sense is because when a King kneels next to a peasant

01:46:10.980 and they're both worshiping God, they're equal. It gets rid of that diversity problem because we

01:46:14.880 don't, nationalism is not a part of Islam at all. There's, there's no, there's no association.

01:46:19.660 As long as you're Muslim, you're my brother. And that's why it's the most, uh, I would say probably

01:46:24.180 the most universal religion and why it makes the most sense there because we're all Muslims and

01:46:28.500 as we're equal under faith, not, not region. The thing is though, don't, don't you think that

01:46:35.520 you can kind of get away with that in like a, in the abstract, but that's not what the Muslim world

01:46:41.300 is. The Muslim world is very diverse and there are conflicts and they do have ideology. I mean,

01:46:47.940 are we, are we really going to sit here and pretend that the Muslim world is singing Kumbaya over

01:46:52.040 Islam? Everyone's kneeling together and praying. Yeah. I mean, well, not Kumbaya, but singing, um,

01:46:57.280 the prayer. There's intense religious conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia between, you know,

01:47:04.440 the, some of the radicals and the more moderates. And, you know, I mean, look at what's going on right

01:47:08.640 now in the middle East. And I understand that Israel is doing the bombing, but, but Muslim countries

01:47:13.980 are helping them and Muslim countries are against other Muslim countries. So, you know, you, you kind of

01:47:19.600 have, when it comes to Christians, I feel like Muslims have loved to point out Christians are

01:47:25.780 too liberal. Christians have lost their way. Christians have diversity. Nationalism conflicts

01:47:30.120 with it. And as if there's this like idealistic version of Islam where everything's perfect and

01:47:37.240 everyone's pious and there's no corruption, no degeneracy, no liberalization, no Westernization,

01:47:43.520 no sectarian, a religious conflict. And that's obviously not the truth. And they like to blame it all on the

01:47:48.900 West, but it's been going on a long time. So that's just, I feel like that's a lot of it is human

01:47:53.760 nature and problems that the whole world is undergoing because of globalization and, um,

01:47:59.560 modernity together. Which are, you know, which are sub words for just for Jewish power.

01:48:08.000 I think it really, well, but then, and technology and liberalism. I mean, yeah, Jews are a big driver

01:48:14.380 of it, but a lot of it's sociological. All right. We're kind of, we're kind of yapping in circles.

01:48:20.240 Are you doing a show tonight? Yeah. You're making me late. Not much later than normal. Yeah. Yeah.

01:48:26.120 But I'm going to do a show. Yeah. I tried to give you a couple exits. I wouldn't, I wouldn't keep

01:48:30.660 you too long, but, um, I'm sorry. Yeah. I never, I'm, I'm autistic. You have to tell you how to kick

01:48:35.060 me out. Thanks again for coming on, Nick. It's always good to, uh, it's been a while, man. You

01:48:39.600 can, you can hit me up more. We can, um, yeah, whatever. It's, it's good. Uh, it's always good

01:48:45.060 to talk to you. Yeah, man. Likewise. Good to catch up. Good talk. I'll see you later.

01:48:50.080 Talk soon.

SNEAKO - September 09, 2024

SNEAKO & Nick Fuentes Realize They Might Not Vote For Trump...

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