SNEAKO - SNEAKO & Owen Benjamin： The Second Interview

00:00:00.000 are we live already yeah we're live we're live we're live oh good i uh my website lost its

00:00:09.380 payment processor so we've been figuring that out so that was a little stressful but it uh

00:00:13.640 it's it's just one of those fun challenges and then uh yeah i just got back from jujitsu with

00:00:20.140 my kids and uh talking to you hey good stuff wait why did you lose your payment processor was it um

00:00:26.360 is it what i think it is well yeah it happens all the time like i lost uh i was one of the first

00:00:32.720 people to lose paypal like years and years ago and then venmo and all these places because uh

00:00:39.940 you know that that economic attack is always uh one of the ways that they do stuff and now a lot

00:00:46.220 more comedians i think are going to start seeing that so i think i was just the canary in the coal

00:00:50.380 mine but i'm on my like uh fourth or fifth but the good news is it seems like more and more people

00:00:56.900 are building uh more fair platforms and more fair processors and hopefully that balances out but um

00:01:04.160 you know it's stressful to rebuild all your subscribers again but uh you know it's all good

00:01:10.360 yeah you're probably going to be guaranteed to not recover like 30 of them did they give you a reason

00:01:14.620 why they i've lost payment processors before and i've like well it was i wouldn't say it's fun work

00:01:20.520 it's pretty annoying and tedious but did they give you a reason why they banned it no we have a theory

00:01:27.040 that the one we're using got bought by a company in france and france has recently passed insane laws

00:01:33.480 about uh not being able to bring up the vaccine not being able to make fun of any it's just insane so

00:01:40.440 it might have been because of that but uh we have another one we're looking at that looks pretty good

00:01:44.720 but uh yeah it was just kind of a stressful week but you know it's only money everything everything

00:01:50.220 that seems bad at the time ends up being a blessing it just takes time but at first there's that stress

00:01:56.440 but as time goes on it's always uh it's always a good thing time is probably the solution to all

00:02:03.280 problems are you is that what you think yeah and just uh and just perspective you know i was thinking

00:02:09.200 about so many of the horrible things that have happened over the years and at the time i thought

00:02:13.560 it was so bad but looking back if it didn't happen i wouldn't have seen something my life wouldn't have

00:02:20.900 improved i wouldn't have left la i wouldn't have gotten married i wouldn't have all these things

00:02:25.400 happen for uh for our benefit but at the you know and so now that i know these things i don't get as

00:02:32.100 stressed as i used to because it feels you know what it feels like it feels crazy when when you know

00:02:37.640 you are being persecuted financially or like you're not allowed on platforms and then everyone starts

00:02:43.240 talking trash about you because they know you can't respond yeah you know you get a little

00:02:47.700 justifiably paranoid and then when you act that way people think you're even crazier and the snowball

00:02:54.120 keeps going so it's a weird feeling but uh i wouldn't trade my life for anything and every every step

00:03:02.800 of the way has led to a better pasture so i'm curious to see where it goes yeah i've had the

00:03:07.580 same experience and especially like when you because you get kind of put in a position where

00:03:11.800 you're supposed to act like the crazy guy and everything is supposed to make you go crazy like

00:03:16.880 losing your your payment processor losing your able your ability to speak and getting blackballed and

00:03:21.880 then people get to to talk about you on platforms that you're not allowed on so pretty much your only

00:03:26.120 existence on certain websites is just negative that would drive most people to be like to turn into the

00:03:32.660 crazy dude and then that they are just going to point you be like oh yeah we were right he is a

00:03:36.880 crazy person but it's like oh exactly what you did is the reason that i'm crazy so all you have to do

00:03:42.080 is just you know stay stoic and everything and but how do you stay stoic i saw you getting in some

00:03:46.240 um an argument with uh lewis lewis gomez what was that about yeah we ended up making up it actually

00:03:52.640 ended up good i admitted i was wrong it's so funny you bring that up it's exactly what we're just

00:03:56.820 talking about so i after uh 2016 2017 when i was came out as very anti the trans kid movement i

00:04:05.900 wouldn't do the pc stuff and i was at the top of my game in uh la comedy and then i was like i lost

00:04:12.660 my agent manager couldn't tour kicked out of theaters it was insane and um and so a lot of people

00:04:19.560 would that i thought were my friends were like publicly talking trash or they wouldn't let me on

00:04:23.700 their stream or any of this stuff and so it wasn't paranoid for me to think that because a lot of

00:04:29.340 them did do that and it was one of the craziest times ever and now that the dust is settled i made

00:04:35.440 the mistake with lewis where i assumed he was in that camp because i was like tweeting at him like

00:04:42.480 uh because people were tweeting at him to have me on and i was like he's not allowed to have me on

00:04:47.640 he's not you know they don't let him they don't let lewis have me on and uh and then we started

00:04:52.100 like beefing a bit and then we talked on the phone and i realized that i had made the wrong assumption

00:04:57.820 that uh he was like no i'll have you on if you're ever in new york like you read that wrong you just

00:05:03.380 you can come off as a little crazy acting but we all know why you know and i'm like and he admitted

00:05:09.660 he goes the things that you got canceled for uh are now like talked about with everybody like

00:05:16.740 it's not even it's like nothing now and i think a lot of the people that stabbed me in the back back

00:05:22.240 then don't want to be cool to me now because they might feel guilty or something and i don't hold a

00:05:27.340 grudge but that's pretty much what happened with with lewis today and i i told him that the

00:05:31.960 that the metaphor would be like let's say a bunch of guys are selling weed because they think it's

00:05:37.840 good they're like weed's really good for people we're gonna sell weed and one gets arrested

00:05:42.500 me and the other ones all flip on him and he does five years in prison and then he comes out and the

00:05:48.880 same guys have a legal weed dispensary and they all pretend he's crazy you know that's pretty much

00:05:54.980 what happened to me and it's and like when uh when dave chappelle did the same my joke word for word

00:06:00.980 about the lgbt and caitlin jenner was woman of the year hasn't been a woman for a full year

00:06:06.460 and uh and those jokes got me kicked off of everything and had people saying i was mentally

00:06:13.160 ill and all this and to see everybody like supporting and rejoicing that but they wouldn't

00:06:19.180 admit that i said it first it felt like it i was in a it got me a little mad but i i took ownership

00:06:26.780 and i realized that i don't want to be in their position and it doesn't matter anyway and i don't do

00:06:32.100 these things for credit and my life spent a blessing and a gift so what am i mad about but

00:06:38.380 i still sometimes make the mistake of like assuming someone has wronged me because they're in that camp

00:06:45.180 but they really haven't you know and so i did a public apology for i don't mind being wrong i'm like

00:06:50.860 my bad dude i was totally wrong about that and i was i have the same issue sometimes because i just

00:06:56.900 assume that the entire industry is kind of against me uh when you see how they treat you i

00:07:02.000 i think like i'm starting to get to a similar point where i'm still like mainstream enough where

00:07:07.640 like people know who i am but i'm also getting blackballed at the same time and then when you

00:07:12.300 have like bitter a bitter attitude or sort of resentment um people think yeah you get called

00:07:18.220 crazy and then yeah i mean i'm in a very similar position but i gotta ask you like how do you develop

00:07:23.720 a good out like a positive echo chamber because when you start talking about the stuff that we talk

00:07:29.380 about your audience gets on the same page about the issues really quickly and then it kind of

00:07:35.520 becomes like you can't talk about stuff like edgy material is not edgy anymore you get what i'm saying

00:07:41.860 like trans people being mentally ill used to be like fun to talk about because that was like riskier

00:07:47.720 but now my entire community is on the same page about that and it's just you kind of great it's like

00:07:52.600 you hear other people talk about it you just roll your eyes uh and now i'm also getting a point where

00:07:57.280 we've been talking about this we've been canceled for so long that the community is like now they're

00:08:03.740 just straight up like well basically i just have a giant echo chamber and people were telling me that

00:08:08.280 you've done a good job of like pushing your community to be smart about the echo chamber how do

00:08:12.640 you do that i just think authenticity and don't fall victim to uh to your own audience because what

00:08:21.140 happened with me is i have a really strong and supportive and amazing audience and uh and when

00:08:27.820 you know that out there like the mainstream is just a den of thieves and they'll uh you know that you

00:08:33.020 don't fit in with them either it's easy sometimes just to want to feed your audience what they want to

00:08:37.640 hear and i actively never do that because that that's its own trap and they and they respect me for

00:08:45.260 like i've lost people along the way and uh and i get that like uh but i you just can never do that

00:08:53.820 because that's another form of a prison you know and so my my advice to you is don't think about being

00:09:00.180 edgy or don't think about like what the new thing is or like how to push people just just think about

00:09:05.180 whatever you're interested in and just be as authentic as possible like uh like uh the new peacock i have

00:09:12.240 it's going to be like a whole week or like teaching my kid uh piano or like just getting

00:09:16.980 really into one topic like that pageant week and that just ends you know because people are still

00:09:22.800 writing me and sending me videos where they're like dude look at this look at what the pageant's

00:09:26.500 doing i'm like yeah i'm on to the next thing i know they're they're saying right now people in

00:09:30.260 the chat are spamming uh pq meaning instead of the jq the jewish question the poop question like

00:09:34.580 basically they they want you to become a jukebox for like talk about the poopy people you know like

00:09:39.280 but you're not a you're not a human jukebox and i think that they need to know that yeah and my

00:09:46.540 opinion will will change and it'll grow and it'll you know i'll start having empathy for people that

00:09:52.380 i didn't before like today i had like i realized that the way i treated lewis i always assume people

00:09:58.780 should understand me where it's like why do i live in the country why do i grow my own food why do i

00:10:04.680 why am i very apprehensive of mainstream people you know it's not because uh i'm crazy it's because

00:10:10.820 this happened this happened this happened i know this this this this is the logical response and

00:10:16.860 sometimes i don't do that for other people like i don't think like what do i look like to someone

00:10:21.780 else like in their life like they have a life where they have no idea you know what's in their food or

00:10:27.560 how easy it is to like shut down a city or like how how like these these giant payment processors

00:10:35.820 or social media platforms they don't follow their own rules you know like they won't even follow their

00:10:40.780 own terms and conditions they will wipe your entire audience if you offend them and i know these things

00:10:46.580 so i'm operating with that knowledge which can appear crazy and so i have to be more understanding of

00:10:53.360 that because i just assume everyone knows that you know that some of these things in processed food

00:10:58.920 cause cancer so i like grow my own or i like homeschool because i know what they're doing in

00:11:03.400 schools but it's not because i'm paranoid i just have lived a a pretty rich and full life and i just know

00:11:08.980 stuff what's the real cure to cancer

00:11:12.300 man i don't know i i see it more as a spiritual thing now you know i because i think cancer is caused by uh

00:11:22.080 by a toxic load you know or just a way someone's living or like not sweating or you know all kinds

00:11:29.360 of stuff i think that that cancer can be caused intentionally to like call the population and

00:11:34.300 various uh behaviors and foods but in the end of the day you know we go when we're supposed to go

00:11:39.940 and all i can do is be as healthy as i can and uh that's why i try to sweat every day you know because

00:11:45.820 uh i think the lymph the lymphatic system of just being able to get out toxins is uh is huge for

00:11:52.200 for cancer but there's a lot about cancer i don't know you know i'm no expert on that okay i was

00:11:57.540 wondering i've seen a lot of that um you know they say conspiracy theorists say that you can you can

00:12:01.980 sweat it out or that there's white foods to eat and that chemotherapy is a lie i was wondering if you

00:12:06.420 were like you've done research on that it's it's it's both man it's like fasting like that's really big

00:12:12.020 for cancer but i know that some cancer treatments do work so it's like i don't throw out all western

00:12:18.120 medicine like i'm totally anti-vax i'm anti all kinds of stuff but i also am pro many things about

00:12:26.820 western medicine and you know i i've known people that have done cancer treatments and it's worked

00:12:31.760 really well for them i know some that haven't i know some that have uh rejected cancer treatments

00:12:37.580 and lived i know some that haven't have died and and for me the nefarious nature of cancer is that

00:12:44.220 it almost seems like it's this crop circle where they they feed you cancer in order to treat it

00:12:50.020 which doesn't cure it they like manage it so it's almost like they're they're making the it's like a

00:12:55.500 crop that they they put in your own body of like tumors so um i don't know man it's a that's a that's a

00:13:02.300 whole dark world but i just try and stay healthy and positive yeah i'm glad to hear that you like

00:13:06.960 you just um you just left from dropping off your kids from jujitsu class i'm wondering like how do

00:13:12.580 you how seriously do you take health like are you like a crazy well what other people would say like

00:13:18.200 a crazy health nut do you are you very specific about what you feed your kids and about what your

00:13:22.240 kids can listen to about what they take in like how how do you involve health and raising your children

00:13:29.300 yeah we try to grow a lot of our own food i milk our own animals we make our own butter and cheese

00:13:35.500 but we also go out to eat we'll have pizza sometimes we'll uh we'll have the mennonite

00:13:40.520 cookies and stuff i try to avoid um i try to avoid like uh really processed seed oils and high fructose

00:13:48.420 corn syrup and stuff like that but you know for me my my uh my challenge is avoiding too much of my

00:13:56.780 wife's amazing food you know because i can get i can get that dad fat going and uh and so now what i'm

00:14:04.360 trying to do is just not eat until dinner and make sure i get a workout in but uh i'm not a crazy

00:14:09.360 health nut i just try to you know i try to be responsible for the food in my and my kids diet

00:14:15.520 and they're super healthy it's like if you just do minimal work with kids as far as just keeping

00:14:21.720 them active and uh feeding them right they look like the people did in the 50s they're like lean

00:14:27.140 they're they're they just look like uh like incredibly healthy and that's why one one thing

00:14:33.280 i'm very hopeful about that it's really not as easy as people think to get obese it's just the

00:14:38.220 american lifestyle is so uh it's so you know it's so obese and a lot of it has to do with the

00:14:44.520 the type of food we eat yeah why do you think so many people in america are fat is it is it because

00:14:50.600 of the processed food what's the reason is it gluttony is it their inability to just put a put

00:14:57.440 the fork down and go to the gym what's the actual reason man i think uh low income people are the

00:15:03.720 fattest and i think it's because fat fast food is really bad like i think like that mcdonald's

00:15:10.200 burger king stuff like that the food that you can afford for not that much that makes you feel

00:15:14.760 full and kind of sick is really unhealthy and i also think that uh america's wealth kind of

00:15:20.920 backfired a little bit that you know people have so much access to all this junk food that yeah a lot

00:15:29.060 of times you can't shut it off and i think certain uh certain types of white people have that problem

00:15:33.780 because of the norm northern climate you know that like northern climate people can sometimes have this

00:15:40.500 hoarding mentality and this like because winter is always coming like if you're genetically from an

00:15:46.120 area where there's like seven month winters you're always looking for calories and you're always looking

00:15:52.240 to like store things and probably and then you look at all these like lean equatorial people because

00:15:57.460 they just dance around and eat mangoes you know because it's just always growing from the tree

00:16:01.940 and i think part of it is a uh is like a genetic memory thing same with a lot of um

00:16:08.100 like people that for generations had no access to calories like you'd see like honey or molasses and

00:16:14.760 you'd be like oh that's perfect it'll keep me warm but now we have like unlimited everything so

00:16:19.860 you still crave it but it just makes you fat yeah i've noticed like like white people come to america

00:16:27.560 and immediately get fat like in two months they'll put on 15 pounds like that but yeah you don't seem

00:16:33.340 like it it's interesting talking to you because you would think based off the stigma that you would

00:16:38.520 have a lot more crazy conspiracy theories or like a crazy outlook on the world but you don't you're

00:16:44.440 just like a guy you raise your kids and you go to work and like when do you think that that crazy

00:16:50.480 stigma is gonna leave do you think it sticks forever they've tried it with a lot of people even like

00:16:55.240 you know you talk about dave chapelle taking your your jokes but even he was like labeled the crazy

00:16:59.960 crackhead for about seven years when you when you left hollywood does that stigma leave does that

00:17:05.720 a stigma ever leave am i gonna ever not be called a crazy rumble streamer i don't i don't think it

00:17:13.160 leaves man i think uh because if you look at my life it's so no i do the same thing every day i might

00:17:18.720 as well be living in like middle ages germany it's like i wake up i do my chores i i'm with my wife

00:17:26.440 only i'm like hanging out with my kids i work hard i do my stream i do more chores i go to bed it's

00:17:32.500 like and so someone as stable as me if they're calling me crazy it's uh it's not gonna stop and

00:17:39.760 i have a i have a theory i think it's because they they're they're worried about people like us

00:17:44.260 you know on a managerial level if they don't keep bashing our name they're worried that we're gonna

00:17:50.020 take more of their market share and that they won't be seen as these like um special people

00:17:55.660 like celebrities aren't really special they're like you know you know famous people it's like

00:18:00.940 that's all this veneer and so the one way to keep that position is just keep bashing and stigmatizing

00:18:08.320 everybody else but the good news is it's not working like it used to and a lot of times it

00:18:13.660 backfires horribly you know like i've had so many people write to me that the adl do a hit piece about

00:18:19.640 how i'm anti-semitic and racist and sexist and all this stuff and they're like oh he sounds like a good

00:18:25.180 comedian i gotta listen to that guy because like that's that's now a compliment because

00:18:29.840 their system is getting so so crazy that at this point you know a lot of people are looking for a

00:18:37.940 way out and you know i i guess part of me understands why they think i'm some whack job

00:18:44.980 because like i'll see something seven years before someone else and that scares them but the thing i don't

00:18:51.260 understand is once people catch up why can't they just start trusting me with the other stuff

00:18:55.760 you know it's like when i first went at the trans kid thing everyone thought i was insane that i hated

00:19:02.260 children that i was a a pedo because i'm thinking about children's sexualities and stuff my whole point

00:19:08.800 yeah is they don't have a sexuality they're like innocent kids you know and now everyone sees it like

00:19:16.780 you got to be crazy to not see how abusive that trans kid thing is and then same with like uh ukraine

00:19:23.300 war i immediately said it wasn't going to be over quickly russia had a point this is a money funneling

00:19:28.880 operation like i was calling it as it was happening oh you're a russian but you're you're a paid shill

00:19:35.020 same with the israeli thing and uh and the thing that sometimes surprises me is when people see a

00:19:41.420 pattern of being accurate and when i am wrong i i'm the first to admit it so people can trust me

00:19:46.760 why not just like think maybe he's got a point you know like let's see where this thing goes and that's

00:19:53.240 the thing that surprises me because i i now do have a public track record of what like when the the

00:19:58.320 vax first came out my wikipedia changed to bash me because i said bill gates is pushing eugenics program

00:20:06.100 and i immediately said that that not to comply with it don't take the vaccine don't take medical

00:20:11.180 advice from people who get awards for depopulation and then four years later it's now common knowledge

00:20:18.140 that these vaccines cause health problems but yeah i'm still a whack job living in the woods it's like

00:20:23.620 okay which is fine yeah that was my most successful tweet ever was like pointing out how

00:20:28.700 now it's common knowledge that the vaccine gives you blood clots and myocarditis but like that was the

00:20:34.320 main reason i was banned on youtube and i don't i still don't have my channel and they're still able

00:20:39.040 to say everything that they want about me on the website but you just gotta you just gotta keep you

00:20:43.660 can't really let that stuff bother you what do you think is the main thing that they discredit you for

00:20:48.480 that they're because they should have believed you about trans children i remember that argument it's

00:20:52.460 funny that you bring it up saying like why are you so concerned about children's sexuality it's like

00:20:57.060 well because i don't want my kids to go through the same issue it's like it's such a weird

00:21:01.080 accusation to talk about like a major issue like oh you're concerned about kids genitals like yeah

00:21:06.660 that's a pretty concerning issue um but what do you think that they don't listen about now that they

00:21:12.040 should listen to the financial stuff the stuff we're talking about with usury sodomy like the

00:21:19.020 stuff we're talking about with uh sharia and all that stuff like that's front and center that these

00:21:24.740 things it's like they okay another example yeah it's like what you were just talking about where

00:21:30.120 why would i possibly care it's because i care about people i care about like society it's not

00:21:36.140 because uh it affects my kids it affects other people's kids people that might not be as uh able

00:21:42.740 to speak out as me or people that aren't as like uh you know comfortable with conflict it's the same

00:21:48.160 with like debt like i don't have a mortgage i own my property i'm doing fine so why am i speaking

00:21:55.420 out about it it's the young people it's the people that just got out of college they have 70 000 in

00:22:01.340 debt you know they can get a job for 50 grand a year they'll spend 300 bucks a month on their student

00:22:07.980 loans and in 10 years they owe 90 000 because it doesn't even cover the interest and every year the

00:22:13.520 price of housing goes up more and more and more because of the debt about how much debt you need

00:22:19.440 i feel for those people and those people now don't have manufacturing jobs because in nafta they

00:22:24.460 send it all overseas for pennies on the dollar and so you have these especially young men well women

00:22:30.300 have their own problems you know with the what they're being marketed but these young men that are

00:22:34.400 like i i do feel for them where it's like it's hard to buy into the system when it's so rigged at this

00:22:42.340 point and so much of it has to do with usury so when i'm talking about usury and i'm talking about the

00:22:47.120 banking system and how that's really the issue in islamic countries is that they won't comply with

00:22:53.620 you know the sodomy and uh exploitation of women because that that allows you it allows them to

00:23:00.700 bring in these financial things because if you're drunk and fornicating and gay and dumb and on drugs

00:23:06.060 you don't care like you're you're satiated you're watching netflix you know you're watching pornos

00:23:12.300 you don't notice that your middle class is being hollowed out that people aren't having children

00:23:17.400 that you know people are full of despair and so that's why it's two wings of the same bird like

00:23:22.980 the social agenda of like you know exploiting women sodomy hypersexualization it's it goes side

00:23:30.140 by side with the deregulation of the banks so that it hollows out middle class and then a lot of these

00:23:35.840 these quote-unquote rich people that are rich on financializing the world on selling debt

00:23:40.280 they don't understand why people aren't buying in now why they don't care why they're like

00:23:45.300 kind of want to see it burn it's because they they stole it from them and so my message isn't

00:23:52.140 despair you know it's not like oh you're screwed it's like focus on what you have control over that's

00:23:58.480 why i tell people to get families and garden and start your own businesses and and get into the trades

00:24:03.700 and get into the stuff that can't be replaced and then we'll slowly rebuild and so it's it's not like

00:24:09.600 it's a dead end i think the future is incredibly bright it's just like on that macroeconomic

00:24:14.640 thing when no one seems to ever talk about the root of the migration crisis the root of the housing

00:24:20.520 crisis the root of inflation it's all usury it's all the the financial system and that's one thing

00:24:28.520 that drew me to like looking at sharia law and islam more is because they they have that pegged and so

00:24:34.600 that's something people should really look at yeah it's funny you said that we just had an interview

00:24:38.620 with um this guy's youtube channel the muslim lantern he came on he was saying like the only

00:24:42.820 like democracy is gay pretty much it's basically his idea like he was even saying like there shouldn't

00:24:47.680 even be absolute free speech because you shouldn't be able to disrespect uh islam and that i asked him

00:24:53.700 like so what do you think is the solution like if democracy is gay like is it sharia law and he said

00:24:56.980 pretty much like that's the only that's the only law that's going to be that's going to keep everybody

00:25:01.520 in order and follow the one truth but going back to you said earlier how celebrities are normal and

00:25:10.300 um you were saying you you have a perspective where you see how other people can can be worshipped in a

00:25:17.960 sense and how they how they like to be how how they like and how they enjoy that worship and i think

00:25:26.120 this ties into a conversation we were having earlier and i saw you tweeting about it where

00:25:29.760 i actually think that uh and even though he probably went uh too hard in the fight i think sean strickland

00:25:35.540 did uh i think i think that fight was like a symbol of and it was necessary for for influencers to be

00:25:44.240 to be humbled like maybe i didn't need to be the one taking it but i think that fight was a symbol

00:25:48.520 of like a normal like boot pull it up by your bootstraps guy like you know the the white american

00:25:53.700 you know normal white trash dude in a trailer park beating up a celebrity influencer even though

00:26:00.000 i don't see myself as that and i don't like the the worshiper ever but nobody else would probably do

00:26:05.260 that fight i think it was a good symbol of some like of the old traditional whatever pull it up by

00:26:11.240 bootstraps guy and then um the arrogant famous influencer who get who didn't really earn what

00:26:17.020 he got and he's only famous from the camera i think a lot of people i think that that was important for

00:26:21.680 the for the symbol of that but yeah i i did see you talk about you handled that better than i did i was

00:26:27.300 more pissed about it than you were i because i see what you're saying where it's like humble the celebrity

00:26:32.320 but i didn't like what he did and i'll tell you why because uh because like when he spars professionals

00:26:38.740 he's very respectful very matching their their pace all that stuff and for him to do those haymakers

00:26:45.260 on your head i thought it was uh i thought it was bullshit man i i because you can do brain damage

00:26:50.800 and it's like it's one thing to humble celebrities like it's one thing if he did that to like a

00:26:56.020 celebrity like for example if me and him sparred and he punched me in the head like that that'd be

00:27:01.300 fine because i've been talking shit about him all week and it's like i'm being very aggressive

00:27:05.600 but like you were just like this nice dude who wanted to uh have an experience sparring and it's

00:27:12.900 up to the tougher guy to match it like it's not like oh i'm gonna make you pay i'm gonna unload on

00:27:20.060 your head i don't know man i didn't like that at all it's one thing to humble celebrities but

00:27:24.840 i i thought that that was that was weak especially because i know he knows better that that's that

00:27:30.000 that that if someone did that to him like if a superior fighter just unloaded on him and sparring

00:27:36.280 and in the head it's just like and people are throwing in the towel and he's still just swinging

00:27:41.340 and swinging and i was just like man that dude's got some demons yeah he's a he's a trouble guy for

00:27:48.020 sure he's a trouble guy for sure i don't know i kind of i kind of feel kind of feel bad for him

00:27:53.380 like because i could tell that he's very few fighters are fighting because they enjoy hurting

00:27:59.960 people but there's a phrase like hurt people hurt people the guy clearly has a trouble and he's doing

00:28:05.920 it because he genuinely like he wants to draw blood on people like he wants to get revenge for stuff

00:28:10.420 that's happened and i kind of feel bad for that because i know most fighters they do it for the

00:28:14.600 respect like guys like habib for example or islam the muslim fighters they do it for like the honor for

00:28:19.680 the respect and like to fulfill their father's prophecies in order to to show how great daghestanian

00:28:25.440 islamic culture is they do it for the honor of it this dude is just like comes from a troubled past

00:28:30.720 and just wants to just wants to hurt people and so there's like different justifications um for why

00:28:35.960 but yeah i know and even like seeing all the people like people turn against him like i even feel bad for

00:28:42.600 that too because like i i know that he's i mean it's very obviously that he comes from a troubled past

00:28:48.680 but don't you see like um yeah he bro he did go he did go too hard like 100 but don't you see like

00:28:55.220 that was don't you think in a sense that that was necessary for for that to happen between do you do

00:29:00.680 you see like the the symbolic nature that i that i the perspective that i have or does that not make

00:29:05.300 any sense and i just have stockholm no 100 like on some level that i i get what you're saying where

00:29:12.160 it's like okay you want to come into my world and be a fighter um you know i'm gonna humble you but

00:29:18.740 see you were sparring it's one thing if you literally said i'm gonna beat you up in a fight

00:29:23.400 we're gonna fight and he just beat the shit out of you that's fine but if you're like in a gym doing

00:29:28.760 a spar thing it's just i don't know it i get what you're saying about humbling somebody but it was

00:29:35.980 and i think what really got my attention is exactly what you just said and i'm not trying

00:29:43.040 to hurt the guy either i just want him to see the path he's on because i know that feeling of

00:29:48.340 wanting to hurt people of having like a troubled childhood of wanting to like make other people pay

00:29:54.640 for your pain like i know that road totally and that's why when i'm like calling him out or when

00:30:00.600 he's losing fans or people are talking shit i hope that helps him because you're right like i i feel

00:30:07.820 bad for him uh but the worst thing you can do if someone feels bad if you feel bad for somebody is

00:30:12.920 just not call them out for like what they're doing like imagine if he started fighting for honor like

00:30:18.160 yeah we all have bad dad a lot of us have bad dads a lot of us had traumatic childhoods it's like

00:30:23.980 that road doesn't go anywhere good where you're like i'm in pain so i'm gonna hurt you i want to

00:30:31.000 see your blood i want to see you feel like i feel you know that that ends in jail and death and divorce

00:30:38.280 and humiliation and so i'm not trying to hurt the guy i'm just like gonna point it out that that is

00:30:44.240 not a great way to live and it's also not a great way to uh because here the irony is he keeps talking

00:30:49.200 shit about influencers but he's an influencer so you know he's influencing young kids to be like

00:30:55.140 i want to be like an animal like sean strickland and just and just fantasize about killing people

00:31:00.300 on a gopro you know and it's like those are the people i'm thinking about i'm not i'm not thinking

00:31:06.680 like oh i want to hurt sean strickland i'm like what about that young kid that's like yeah i want to

00:31:11.120 take jake paul and kill him in texas where it's legal that's so fucked up like you shouldn't want to

00:31:16.660 kill anybody you know and it's not even a strong position to be in and it's like and it'd also be

00:31:22.760 one thing if he's just this animal but he he he uh you know he's nice and respectful when he's going

00:31:29.380 against someone that he knows would clean him if he started doing dude he was swinging uppercut he was

00:31:34.660 like doing uppercuts and shit yeah he was like trying to knock you out and i have i have a feeling

00:31:39.620 that there was more to it like you know because of your palestinian sympathies that somebody was like

00:31:46.360 knock this dude out or something because that looked that just looked ugly it just looked gross

00:31:51.660 what he was doing yeah i i see i saw you talk about that i don't think so but do you know yeah

00:31:59.640 maybe not i mean i've been humbled today about my assumptions so i have no evidence that that's true

00:32:05.180 at all i gotta chill out on my assumptions so yeah i saw the metaphor but anyway go on well there's some

00:32:12.260 things that i actually want to talk to you about but i i noticed myself like kind of like i want to

00:32:16.320 continue going to ufc fights and like go to the events but i noticed them kind of like i got banned

00:32:20.800 from that gym i got banned from the ufc pi and i like at the power slap event they kind of they put me

00:32:27.200 on the other side and stuff like that i was wondering if you knew that like um the ufc do you know that

00:32:33.300 it's owned by aria manual yeah yeah of course yeah yeah so i was sometimes but you know they're

00:32:38.660 getting gay yeah it started getting gay too it's like because i'm not against mma and jiu-jitsu and

00:32:43.500 all that when i call ufc gay it's because they literally started doing like gay stuff they were like

00:32:48.560 there's this one fighter with gay written on his trunks they had the first trans athlete in any pro

00:32:54.540 sport they're like they're yeah there's some grabby stuff going on there and so yeah yeah aria

00:33:01.440 manual and say yeah exactly well i love the ufc dana white's a great guy i've no but it's like

00:33:06.480 something yeah no i get it i get it yeah you know but you see the main cards and you see like okay

00:33:10.500 well why do they put the co-made event why is it two chinese girls fighting each other like who

00:33:15.320 who is a ufc fan wants to see that and like even the last one of the last sean strickland uh main

00:33:21.100 main event you see that the co-made event was like two girls just like hugging each other

00:33:25.200 for five straight rounds because it's a championship like nobody wants to see that i'm not even sure

00:33:30.580 what they're trying to like who is this for i don't get the point of that and then you you look

00:33:36.200 you look down the rabbit hole and then you're like oh man not again but you know not again but

00:33:41.900 it's like social programming all that stuff yeah yeah and dude a lot of these guys are good guys you

00:33:46.860 know a lot of these guys like uh jake shields i i really like his twitter he seems like a great guy

00:33:51.580 and you know i know some fighters and and a lot of them are just working hard fighting doing a good job

00:33:57.260 but if you take a bat like if you take a wide look about like the bud light humiliation situation

00:34:03.860 and all that it's like seems like there's social social programming happening where you get the

00:34:09.320 first beer in human history to have a trans uh what's it called spokes spokes queer or whatever

00:34:17.180 you want to call them and then and then everyone freaks out and then the ufc makes it their official

00:34:22.840 beer and you're like are you trying to make kids gay you know like that's just weird and i'm not

00:34:28.440 saying that's what they're doing but it's just you know they do have a lot of influence on kids and i

00:34:33.440 like it much better when uh fighters act in honor and they don't push sexualization what do you think

00:34:39.240 about the monster energy drink and the fact that um the symbol yeah it's like the what do you call it

00:34:47.060 the logo of monster energy is 666 in hebrew is that true yeah yeah that's true and i don't know i'm

00:34:54.980 trying not to like overthink this stuff but it it is i mean that's that symbol is 666 in hebrew and i

00:35:01.500 don't even know what they're trying to do with that is it subconscious is it a synchronicity i don't

00:35:07.220 know i'm trying to uh to not make definitive claims but yeah that's that's crazy like that's right

00:35:15.220 there oh and you ever wish you could stop noticing sometimes because then i'd be able to enjoy like

00:35:20.340 normie activity like i love the ufc i love watching mma and i i would like to not be seeing stuff all

00:35:26.440 the time because then it's hard to enjoy stuff like i um even i just did a stream with marab and in the

00:35:33.180 middle of the fight he pointed at zuckerberg uh who was in the front row of the ufc event he took his

00:35:38.680 opponent henry shijudo and like threw him and right in front of zuckerberg and everyone's cheering and i

00:35:43.160 can't stop thinking about the fact that this guy like zuckerberg censored so many people during

00:35:47.240 covid and he's probably there like a main reason that so many people in the audience lost their

00:35:51.740 small business because of how much censorship he was doing and how he pushed the envelope forward

00:35:55.520 to make it seem like the vaccine was really good for you to make it seem like covid lockdowns were

00:35:59.440 necessary and it's like now he's just right back you know in the middle of society and people are

00:36:04.020 clapping stuff like that i wish i could just enjoy the fight and enjoy the knockout in the moment

00:36:08.820 rather than think like okay this dude is probably responsible for so many businesses shutting down

00:36:13.200 you ever wish you could stop noticing no because i like if i didn't notice like if i went notice blind

00:36:20.620 you know i'd feel i'd feel weird about that too because i'd feel like i could i wouldn't be able

00:36:25.940 to see what's coming i've had to struggle with that as well and i've gotten better at just being able

00:36:30.540 to enjoy stuff um by just you know it's a conscious decision to just say like i don't agree with what

00:36:39.200 they're saying they know not what they do a lot of these people are just having fun you know but i

00:36:44.460 can't and like you know justice is always is always it always happens in the end you know that's why

00:36:51.480 you know the faith in god is so important that like i don't have to inflict justice on anyone i don't

00:36:57.400 have to be no one has to apologize to me you know i try to as funny as it sounds because people think

00:37:03.240 i'm such an arrogant dick i i really am not seeking for apologies and no one has to apologize to me

00:37:09.360 i was talking to my wife about i think one thing that i do that pisses people off is i don't

00:37:14.380 apologize when i'm not sorry and they think that's crazy you know people are like just say you're sorry

00:37:20.020 i'm like but i'm not sorry but if i am sorry i do it immediately like i have no problem admitting

00:37:25.560 when i'm wrong but i'm not gonna say i'm wrong when i'm not because then my word transmits this like

00:37:32.380 this like poison to people like if you tell people stuff that you know is false to get money and status

00:37:39.340 like that person is now gonna base their life on that bad information and and when they damage

00:37:45.180 themselves like you're partially responsible that's why you know i i get it man it gets it gets

00:37:51.020 crazy and a lot of people have lost family members and they couldn't go to their dad's funeral

00:37:55.380 and i mean that covet stuff was nuts but they're not gonna say sorry and they're just gonna keep

00:38:00.880 going on with their life and so might as well just accept it you know i view it like winter like am i

00:38:06.040 gonna get mad at winter that everything dies or am i just gonna accept that this is how life is you

00:38:10.940 know all right we got one super chat for you um you said w sneaker for recognizing owen's greatness

00:38:16.260 and taking risks for truth he's the most banned comedian of all time just hitting home run after

00:38:20.220 home run uh well i want to ask you because i noticed like there's similarities i think in our

00:38:26.040 careers um when you started getting blackballed and getting banned like that did you notice people

00:38:32.260 one pattern that i've seen and that that they've all seen the the people that watch my stream they've

00:38:36.640 seen people straight up ignore me to my face on multiple occasions there's been like four or five

00:38:41.200 people uh pretend like i like i'm not there almost have did you ever experience how did you first

00:38:47.620 start to notice that you were getting blackballed or what was that like the relationships not just with

00:38:52.540 um with the public online but with people within your uh within your work like your peers well what i

00:39:01.080 noticed is people on podcasts would that i thought i was friends with would just blatantly say something i

00:39:08.460 know they don't believe about me and just like pretend that they didn't have the opposite conversation

00:39:15.160 with me three days before and i it felt like twilight zone shit you know it felt really uh it felt really

00:39:22.220 weird where me and a guy would be joking about the same thing that i get in trouble for and then a week

00:39:28.940 later he's on a podcast pretending that he's offended and he like they'll say me by name and now they're

00:39:34.900 all so rewarded by netflix and all that but i remember watching that being like do they know

00:39:39.860 like do they know that they're crazy or they're lying or is it like one of my friends came up with

00:39:45.020 this idea called the download where it's almost like they get a download in their brain and they're

00:39:50.420 like we now don't like him it's like a swarm mentality and uh i found that to be weird and i'm not mad

00:39:58.360 about it anymore because the last place i'd want to be is a swarm yeah so they're already living in their

00:40:03.600 own misery on what on whatever level like imagine if you couldn't say hi to someone that you like

00:40:09.360 because you know because the swarm of insects all just let out a different vibration and now no one's

00:40:15.420 allowed to be nice to you sometimes i think it's because they're scared that you're right you know

00:40:20.580 i saw that where it's like if you're right that means i have to change and i don't want to change so

00:40:26.860 you're crazy you know that happens a lot too did you notice it all happened at once because it was

00:40:32.720 like there was just something switched recently where a lot of people that have known for a long

00:40:36.640 time just like just like that all it's like i don't know if they got a call or they got a message

00:40:42.300 or a dm or maybe it's like something spiritual it almost seems like it's something spiritual

00:40:47.120 yeah i think it's spiritual i used to think it was i you know that's one reason why i got so into

00:40:53.020 conspiracies because i'm like is someone yeah exactly like is someone texting all these people at the

00:40:59.040 same time like is there an email can i read the email and then i just i i could never figure it

00:41:05.520 out to the point where it just doesn't seem logistically possible at all like how would

00:41:10.180 how would like the illuminati handler just start sending out i i don't know i started thinking that

00:41:17.900 that it's a spiritual thing that something shifts you you level up they don't level up and now they

00:41:24.200 don't really perceive you the same one thing one piece of advice i give you is try not to think that

00:41:29.260 they're thinking about you too much because they a lot of times if they're in a lowered state they're

00:41:35.300 they're thinking about like the dumbest stuff like that they want a better house so they want another

00:41:41.220 like their girl they want her friend and and they want to meet you know the prince of this you know

00:41:47.620 they're they're super self-absorbed and so if you're looking around at trying to like be a good

00:41:53.660 person for the sake of it and you're trying to fight battles for other people they don't they don't see

00:41:59.480 that like they're not in that world at all it's only kind of like people will think dudes like us are

00:42:03.660 crazy because it's like why did you blow up your youtube to tell people about the vax just don't take

00:42:08.500 the vax and you're like because it hurts other people and they're like what's wrong with you

00:42:13.620 you know they're like you destroyed your own career for what reason you're like no you're

00:42:19.600 getting money to lie that hurts people and it dude it's two different worlds and once and once people

00:42:26.280 like change by vibration i don't know if that's what it is or not but it's almost like they don't see

00:42:32.200 you anymore and they they don't it's like you don't exist it's weird dude it's weird but then a

00:42:37.560 higher level will see you that's the interesting part is you'll make some of the best friends ever

00:42:43.000 you'll you'll meet the coolest people that now will see you because you look out instead of just

00:42:48.960 in like you're a creditor not a debtor and that can be with one dollar like do you owe someone a dollar

00:42:54.300 does someone owe you one dollar it's like that simple like people will perceive you like oh you're

00:42:59.060 in the positive like you're in the light like you're not in the dark anymore and i've met the most amazing

00:43:04.920 people i've met was after being blackballed from hollywood if you if you believe it yeah well i'm in that

00:43:11.420 i'm in that category right i'm noticing it um right now it's happening with like every all the

00:43:15.520 the mainstream streamers of all just like that um i'm getting blackballed now but where are you

00:43:20.400 meeting these people and what are they like like how are you how are they reaching out to you what

00:43:23.860 does that look like well i got a post office box and people just write me letters and i live in a

00:43:29.060 fairly small town so like we have like meetups and through uh various activities we do we just become

00:43:35.620 really good friends like me and a few of my neighbors are like legitimately close friends and people that have

00:43:40.940 reached out and people that have helped and people i've met along the way it's weird everybody's

00:43:46.040 different but it's like the right person will just spring out at the right time and it only happens

00:43:53.100 because they it's like it's the same thing that makes people shut off will make people see you like

00:43:58.440 oh well and then you'll learn the most amazing stuff and and you can trust these people and they

00:44:03.820 you know they work hard and they're productive and they don't lie and it's just that's why i'm not

00:44:09.000 bitter because it's easy to get bitter when when you see this these people these cowards being

00:44:14.480 rewarded and these lies being like criminals are not only not being you know penalized but they're

00:44:20.460 celebrated right in front of everybody and everyone knows and but they still have to live in their world

00:44:26.100 like they still don't trust their friends they still feel empty inside they still are chasing you know

00:44:32.580 nothing and i don't and you don't and that's why we we're more blessed in that sense because like what

00:44:39.040 you just said about strong strickland it's like you can tell he wants to hurt people because he's in pain

00:44:44.200 like there isn't joy there and so he and he's a great fighter and everything and i wish him well but

00:44:51.180 it's like you don't want to be where he's at and none of these people are shutting off him i'm sure he's

00:44:56.060 getting invited all this stuff he's not blackballed isn't that crazy i got banned from the ufc pi gym

00:45:01.340 for getting beat up but he's still i mean he's like one of the number one cash cows so they wouldn't

00:45:05.240 they wouldn't ban him but i was banned because i got hit too hard well that you embarrassed them

00:45:10.540 because you looked more noble and dude have you ever read 48 laws of power of course yeah yeah like

00:45:16.880 that shit of don't outshine your master and all that's like that's how they live it's if you appear

00:45:22.440 more like in my world if someone appears noble i want them to be my friend like that's when you

00:45:28.120 would get more access to the gym in their world if you appear noble it shows how weak they are

00:45:34.300 you know and so then they want you out they're like because next to them you like you make them

00:45:40.600 look bad and so they're they're in that it's a downward spiral it's a way to get quote-unquote

00:45:45.920 power those 48 laws of power but it's very stressful you never can like just be yourself you

00:45:51.800 always have to have hidden agendas and maneuvers and all that stuff and it's just yeah i don't i

00:45:57.740 don't like that a lot of a lot of my fans like oh you should read 40 i don't want to play any sort

00:46:02.060 of like chess games with social relationships i think it's extremely gay and like machiavelli it's

00:46:06.700 just that's homosexual activity to me but before you have to understand how they are like i never read

00:46:13.920 it to get power i read it because i was like why are they so crazy and one of my friends was like

00:46:19.260 this is their handbook like this is the handbook of the real life game of thrones

00:46:23.620 and i was reading it and i was like so they never have love or trust like they never root for their

00:46:29.220 friend if their friend does better they want to destroy them and that's why like you looked good

00:46:34.400 from that fight like everybody like you weren't even complaining everyone's like man he took it like a man

00:46:39.440 or even people that like strickland were like uh man strickland uh fucked him up he's a savage but

00:46:47.340 like good on sneeko and that bothered them that you made them look weak and you did it just by being

00:46:54.780 a good guy you took the punches you didn't talk shit he looked like an animal and they they they're

00:47:00.920 like okay we can't have a good man around us and that's why you always get my a lot of my listeners

00:47:06.200 and i used to have this saying uh you get thrown out of hell it's almost like getting kicked out of

00:47:10.860 a gay bar they're like you're not allowed to be in this gay bar anymore and at first it hurts and

00:47:15.400 then you're like man that world sucks yeah you could tell when um when somebody's read 40 laws power

00:47:22.480 like there's little things i noticed after reading that book like when somebody goes in for a handshake

00:47:26.180 and they try to like you know do a like a macho like i'm shaking my hand harder than you or when it's

00:47:31.800 a little body language stuff like patting me on like good job guy like they're just like they slap

00:47:35.940 you a little too hard to like try to like ego you or i've noticed some things like people thinking

00:47:41.000 that um like i pray before i eat you know and some people are like oh you're just praying to like

00:47:46.220 look good you know like thinking that everything is is a is a trick to to get like a lay to get further in

00:47:53.340 life but i was wondering projecting i got that too like me and lewis's thing people are like you're so

00:47:58.920 thirsty to get on his stream i'm like i don't go to cities like i'm not going to new york like i'll

00:48:04.640 never go to new york like there's no not only am i not thirsty to get on his stream if he invited me

00:48:10.640 to do his festival in vegas i would never do that because i don't go to vegas like i'm i'm a guy that

00:48:15.660 like i view cities like a cia guy i view a city i just see choke points and chaos and no order

00:48:22.080 and so i'm like i'm so genuine that people think i'm running some sort of like thing but that's how

00:48:29.100 they think they're like oh you're you're you're saying this to get clicks and engagement i'm like

00:48:35.260 dude i don't think that way i don't think helen keller was real like i literally don't and they're

00:48:41.160 like and it's funny like they don't think about what is true they just think what's the thing that

00:48:46.480 will get me more of whatever i'm feeding myself and i i just i'm not like that at all

00:48:51.300 yeah genuine people are so rare that but it does leave you like pretty vulnerable for attacks i

00:48:59.260 don't know if you've noticed um before well you were saying like you find a lot of genuine people

00:49:04.480 like in your in your po box and stuff like that like i think when you're really authentic like in

00:49:09.120 your you're an open book and you're genuine then people know every single like vulnerability that and

00:49:13.560 it's easy for people to pounce on you and i've noticed that even i develop a lot of hate watchers

00:49:18.820 i've seen people me too you do yeah like people watch for years and then like some of the people

00:49:24.120 that that know literally every single detail like they're they hate you or like they're a lot of

00:49:29.600 these people are like satanic and stuff like that you look at their profile they're like covered in

00:49:32.880 blood and all this stuff um i've actually seen that multiple times how do you how do you how do you

00:49:38.700 deal with uh with the hate watchers because i think authentic people that they gravitate toward

00:49:44.480 we generate those viewers more than more than others but how do you deal with that

00:49:49.040 i just try to ignore it and i i just keep it out of my life i used to obsess about it a bit years ago

00:49:56.480 because they would they'd come up with these elaborate plans of how they're going to like hurt me and

00:50:00.580 just like you like i'm so open about my life that they know everything they know like every weakness i

00:50:07.660 have every member of my family exactly where i live all that stuff and i was like okay i'll have

00:50:15.280 a farm stand then i'm like then i'll i'll be open about where i live i'll be open about anything it's

00:50:19.820 like it's like you know in the end of the day it doesn't really matter unless they pose a serious

00:50:26.800 threat like they're actually trying to hurt you it's just their form of entertainment is they just hate

00:50:32.540 watch it's crazy i know because it's so alien to me to ever do that like as soon as i don't like

00:50:38.260 somebody i never listen to them like i would never like if someone's a shill and i see someone really

00:50:44.020 do the wrong thing like i'm not just going to listen to them and be like hey you know i'm just like

00:50:50.860 i don't know man i just try to ignore it i don't go on the pages and and it just burns itself out

00:50:57.140 you know some of mine are dead like some of my biggest hate watchers are like dead of

00:51:03.500 ods and stuff like they live miserable lives how did you wait how did you know that

00:51:09.880 because he was like this big uh this big troll guy who was like constantly doing videos about how

00:51:16.560 everything i say is a lie his name was davy croco and then you know in that little troll community

00:51:22.800 they're all like rest in peace davy and then it turns out he like just like died of fentanyl

00:51:28.240 and i was just like whoa that's always weird when you see that or other ones have been like arrested

00:51:33.820 you'll just see them go dark like they'll just because i'm not a lot on youtube at all but yet my

00:51:38.880 hate my hate is like someone can post a video about like they can literally like dub my lips edit it to

00:51:45.620 make me look crazy like out of 10 000 hours of live streaming they'll like find you know

00:51:51.460 vulnerable things or me when i'm wrong or me when i'm pissed off and that's totally fine on youtube

00:51:57.720 and the good news is uh those communities aren't very fertile they don't they don't do they don't

00:52:04.240 grow they don't they're just like they're like little cancer cells you know and so i just if i can't do

00:52:11.600 anything about it like on these platforms that don't let me on but they let on people that hate me

00:52:15.840 i just ignore it yeah it's best to just ignore it but did you did you have like a period of

00:52:21.980 isolation like when you were first canceled before you were canceled before you had a family right

00:52:25.960 no i had my first son that's why we left la i was still repped at caa touring development deal

00:52:34.460 book deal when i left la it was uh living in a town you know because i i did the family first i was

00:52:42.220 like this is not a good place for a child you know but i was still very liked in the industry it wasn't

00:52:46.900 until the trans child thing that happened um and what was your question sorry i forgot the question

00:52:52.380 did you have a period of isolation when you were when you were blackballed

00:52:56.280 yeah it was funny how when it happened to me i was already out of la and so i was working with my

00:53:03.160 brother doing tree work i think i responded so well to being blackballed that they had to go like

00:53:09.900 crazy on me because they're like oh you're not allowed to tour blah blah blah within a few months

00:53:15.380 i'm doing a show at a listener's warehouse you know he had this big uh this giant city block in

00:53:23.000 portland oregon where they make wood and he's like you can do a show here so i have hundreds of people

00:53:27.740 i'm doing a show no problem you know i'm not allowed in various things um i can't get booked

00:53:33.900 anymore for theater so i have to rent it myself sell tickets myself no problem selling it out

00:53:38.900 uh and they're like no he's still happy like he's he's he got around it because that makes them look

00:53:45.860 stupid because they like ban me from all their little tricks and so i'm doing it myself so then

00:53:50.420 they're like okay ban him from paypal ban ban him from airbnb you know make sure that no theater allows

00:53:56.700 like dude theaters wouldn't allow me to rent it like i couldn't even rent a theater like any theater

00:54:03.460 dude it's crazy and so my isolation was never really isolated because i had i had my uh my

00:54:10.580 friends you know i've had lifelong friends and my uh my brother and my family and then we came to the

00:54:16.000 west coast to be closer to my wife's family but yeah i mean i'm all i'm also pretty good with

00:54:21.220 isolation like i i used to play piano five hours a day my whole childhood so it's like

00:54:25.420 i i don't even go to bars or anything so i i'm pretty i'm okay with it i didn't really notice that

00:54:31.340 too much you don't really yeah you don't really need any of that it doesn't there's no point in

00:54:36.240 trying to get those people's validation i get it no what's the what's the reason that you put your

00:54:41.460 your kids in jujitsu i just did my uh my first jujitsu class um with nate diaz and that was i i

00:54:47.540 always thought that jujitsu was weird and i didn't want to like grapple and have people on me and like

00:54:51.380 have their crotch in my face and just all that like it looks really weird it's unappealing and

00:54:55.640 it's just a very unesthetic sport but i understood how how important it is

00:55:01.080 in terms of self-defense but i noticed a lot of like the mental benefits too

00:55:04.820 what's what's the reason that you bring your kids to jujitsu well i played uh football and lacrosse

00:55:10.160 and i think physical activities like with physical contact is really good for boys and since we

00:55:15.360 homeschool um that's what i i was thinking of doing and then they're always wrestling with each

00:55:20.700 other so i figured they might as well learn how to do it well and it gives them uh discipline and

00:55:26.100 it's like like that's a perfect example it's like without the ufc people wouldn't associate jujitsu

00:55:31.940 with like grossness but with the ufc it looks gay you know when you got a dude's wing near your mouth

00:55:38.500 but you only think that way because of the ufc like just wrestling or just fighting isn't a sexual act

00:55:46.620 you know and so that's one reason why i was always making fun of the ufc for being gay because like

00:55:51.100 it's not sexual unless you make it that way because you're ari emmanuel but um you know and the kids

00:55:58.540 really like it i just think like if they have a good sense of um fighting and a good sense of

00:56:04.560 you know that physical aspect they'll be less likely to they'll be more respectful like more honorable

00:56:11.580 to other people because they like they know what it is they i don't want them to be like a stranger to

00:56:15.900 violence you know they're homeschooled right yeah yeah so you think it's important uh a lot of the

00:56:22.540 red pill people talk about how they kind of want to have like a dumb wife and i always thought that

00:56:27.100 that was silly because i i would ideally want my kids to be homeschooled too and you need to have an

00:56:31.660 intelligent wife in order to teach the kid you don't want to be like a dumb dishwasher like just a

00:56:37.040 human dishwasher teaching your kids yeah that's crazy my wife was uh got her master's in structural

00:56:42.940 engineering she's like a brilliant woman um but she's a stay-at-home mom and so she can teach the

00:56:48.020 kids math and reading and violin and all kinds of stuff like it's uh the kids are really excelling

00:56:54.820 at home and yeah getting a dumb wife is a bad move it's one thing if you want an obedient wife and

00:57:00.660 sometimes people because they're so brainwashed they think that's dumb but it's not like really

00:57:07.460 intelligent women want the family structure where they're home with the kids and the man works and

00:57:12.380 provides and yeah it's like my kids have the best teacher for every class and it's their mom it's

00:57:18.020 it's really amazing how did you meet again i was wondering like i'm i think it's like in two three

00:57:23.560 years time to do that you know make make some more money than do that how did did you meet in church in

00:57:28.020 a grocery store where'd you find her no we met walking our dogs on the street and we're both at the

00:57:32.600 time like partying in la she was at usc i was like on a sitcom you know totally different than we are

00:57:39.660 now when it comes to uh how we live we go out all the time we're like la people you know and at first

00:57:46.880 it was like a lot of problems we used to fight a lot and i was you know i was looking back i was

00:57:54.460 kind of a piece of shit like i still was like flirting with chicks and all that i was like oh i'm a

00:57:58.500 man dude man men are supposed to do that that's what men do and looking back i'm like oh and so

00:58:04.800 i thought she was acting crazy i'm like oh she's crazy this chick's crazy but looking back it was

00:58:10.200 like her obvious reaction to like dating a piece of shit you know like it was totally my fault but

00:58:16.460 at the time i didn't think so so we would get in these arguments and it was very hostile but but we

00:58:20.660 like loved each other there was this like deep love and we just kept going back to each other

00:58:25.660 and uh and yeah it just kept growing and growing and now it's it's just awesome how do you i've had

00:58:33.660 that issue before like there's um there's girls that i would that i wanted to be in a long-term

00:58:39.000 relationship with but i couldn't take them seriously there was a mental block because like

00:58:42.680 if she came from a partying place or if i met her in a city it's like she can't it's that that block

00:58:48.840 of like you can't turn a hoe into a housewife and i'm not to say that she's a hoe but i'm saying

00:58:53.040 like how were you able to take a woman who was partying and you know go out into the the middle

00:58:58.100 of the woods where you are now they just need leadership you know and it was like the good

00:59:04.200 thing about my wife is she she never had that like hoe mentality she wasn't like that but she just

00:59:08.900 partied you know she just um and she she wanted a family like she she had a morality she just was

00:59:16.740 you know being led by pop culture but you absolutely can if a woman wants it if a woman

00:59:23.360 like genuinely wants a family and wants a good life even though they're partying they live in a

00:59:28.280 city women are extremely adaptable like you can they just need leadership and a lot of times women

00:59:34.780 act like that because they're they're not being led like they're being led by the beast they're being

00:59:38.940 led by the system that tells them that you know that they can be promiscuous and and party and that's

00:59:44.680 and that means they're powerful but the minute you show them that that isn't true and you give

00:59:50.500 them boundaries and you say that you know they want someone to say that to them they want someone to say

00:59:55.580 like don't go out all night and get drunk like they want someone to love them and so they might uh push

01:00:01.020 back for a while and especially if you're being hypocritical which is what i was doing um but if you're

01:00:08.380 moral and you're following a good path and you just give them parameters i found that they can

01:00:14.740 absolutely adapt and become awesome yeah because they women are always going to be programmed by

01:00:22.040 whatever masculine entities in front of them and if the most guys most guys are not masculine at all

01:00:27.460 so they automatically they follow like amari emmanuel they'll just follow the system that is a

01:00:32.860 masculine entity that's basically pimping them to you know worship celebrities and listen to the

01:00:38.100 music and become feminist feminist it's very funny they think that they're independent but really

01:00:43.340 they're just dependent on the beasts of the system they're they're they're being picked out

01:00:47.440 yeah they're they're dependent on something that not only doesn't love them but they there's like a

01:00:54.360 hatred of them you know it's like to to treat women like that and to make them think that that's power

01:00:59.640 that like abortion is power and like health care and that like marriage is slavery it's so cruel to do to

01:01:06.420 these people but you know there's a lot of guys that suck too though there's a lot of guys that uh

01:01:11.600 that have hurt women or they like they won't work or they don't want to take the lead or they're like

01:01:16.560 uh sneaky uh and so that's one reason why women don't follow those guys and so it's like that's why i

01:01:25.060 think you'll have a good you'll you'll be able to do it because if you have a morality and you have

01:01:30.180 guidance they'll want to they'll naturally follow that yeah yeah i've noticed that like i've noticed

01:01:36.160 a lot of like party type girls when i talk about my morals and what i want and especially about like

01:01:41.540 the importance of being a good wife and how that's the real power and a woman is being a mother and is

01:01:46.160 being a wife and is being you know it's it's okay it's powerful to be dependent on your husband

01:01:50.720 because femininity and masculinity go hand in hand and they need each other to survive like when i

01:01:55.820 describe that to a party girl they're always they're very receptive to it you would think like

01:02:00.280 immediately the feminism gets snapped out of them when you explain it but i have a hard time like

01:02:06.220 taking those girls seriously like it's it's almost like um did you ever have that mental block like oh

01:02:13.860 she was uh you know she's from miami or lost you know she's from the city she's she's corrupted

01:02:20.500 did you ever have that mental block not really i mean in the very beginning i think i would be

01:02:29.000 bothered by like some stuff but over time not at all it's like you've been to miami you've done all

01:02:35.860 these things you know they can change man they really can they're they're not it's almost like

01:02:41.260 when you throw it's like dogs can all be sitting around like like party girls are like it's almost

01:02:45.980 like dogs sitting around where you think that's their nature until you throw a ball and then they

01:02:50.240 all do that that's like party girls like they're all out they're like this is our nature oh so he

01:02:55.480 has got a bottle oh blah blah blah that's not actually their nature that's like what you've

01:03:00.940 taught them their nature is they're they're still seeking a man to protect them they just think it's

01:03:06.500 celebrity they think it's whoever has the nicest clothes because that's it but they they're still

01:03:13.160 seeking the same thing it's the same with men it's like qualities that some people think make men

01:03:18.900 bad like sean strickland could take his aggression and be like the best businessman ever or like

01:03:25.660 you know it's like how he is isn't bad because it's like intense you know or like somebody ultra

01:03:34.480 focuses on something or gets obsessive or doesn't let things go those are great qualities in a

01:03:39.860 businessman with high morality it's the same with women like the same qualities that make them so easy

01:03:44.800 to corrupt in a city environment make them great wives great mothers like how they notice everything

01:03:51.800 and get paranoid that's you want that around a toddler like when a woman is like always like

01:03:57.040 noticing shit and getting paranoid if they're not like that a two-year-old falls down the stairs or gets

01:04:02.880 electrocuted like they're always fucking paranoid and it's great like once you put them in the right

01:04:07.780 position you know was that how easy was it what was the transition like because being at a farm in

01:04:16.280 the middle of nowhere like i just i think about like the girls around me be it just seems really

01:04:20.660 funny to like to take like the clothes that they wear i was just walking outside i'm wearing a film

01:04:24.980 right now it just came from friday prayer and all the girls outside are wearing like you see what the

01:04:29.240 girls wear to the gym now it's just like crop top like whole stomach out their ass like plumped up by

01:04:35.320 the shorts um and then taking like a girl like that to a farm it just seems it's like it's it's

01:04:41.440 very silly it's almost like a sitcom um was it was that a that transition was really easy

01:04:47.160 no it took years i mean the transition for me took a while like i'm not from a farm it was like a slow

01:04:54.600 transition so we started dating and i started having to like not be selfish and all that stuff and we're

01:05:00.000 like and we start living together and i'm still touring but blah blah blah and then we go to the

01:05:05.300 my brother's town we we got our first chickens you know she starts getting excited about growing

01:05:11.100 little things in the window get a couple more chickens it's like time i'm not just like throw

01:05:16.940 on overalls and by the way where i live isn't like a lot of people think i live in like alaska or

01:05:22.720 something sandpoint's beautiful it's like uh you know 20 minutes from a an awesome ski resort where

01:05:28.800 they can ski and the town's really nice and you know it's clean but um yeah like immediately taking

01:05:36.000 a chick from uh you know from a club and putting her in a farm i mean it would be just as weird to

01:05:41.420 just throw you on a farm like it's like yeah start with you know what i mean it's like and some people

01:05:47.000 aren't meant to be on a farm like some people uh you can live in a city you know i just i just

01:05:52.920 personally like growing my own food it's like deeply ingrained in me in a genetic level but i

01:06:00.020 wasn't raised on a farm my first chicken i ever got i was like 36 in my life

01:06:05.060 yeah you're right i didn't think about it from that perspective like it's i'm here like a streamer

01:06:11.700 every day like i think it's really normal for me to start milking my own cows but

01:06:14.840 yeah that's uh that's um i definitely uh what was i gonna ask you um i was gonna ask you more

01:06:23.660 oh fuck um yeah well last time we talked like um the stuff that people found the most interesting

01:06:30.060 was the flatter stuff people were really interested in hearing about that people were really interested

01:06:34.800 in uh antarctica and oh what the yeah here it is here's what i never asked you oh because on the

01:06:40.940 theme of black history month um do you think that different races have a different level of

01:06:46.900 ingrained intelligence do you think do you believe in race realism i think different races have different

01:06:53.960 uh traits and predetermined behaviors but i don't think any are limited i don't know it's a weird answer

01:07:04.000 but like i am i do believe race exists and there are differences but i don't think race has anything

01:07:10.120 to do with someone's morality or and i'm curious if it really isn't as close to intelligence as people

01:07:17.560 think that maybe it's like uh maybe it's like a really bad culture and upbringing because that yeah

01:07:25.300 like whites right now have higher iqs on average than blacks in america but like i can't do an

01:07:30.440 experiment to prove why like how would you do an experiment like just take two babies and raise them

01:07:35.940 you know what i mean like i don't know what intelligence even means sometimes like there's

01:07:42.380 many types of intelligence you know is it have to do with a certain test but i don't think a human

01:07:48.900 being with a soul is limited in their morality or their ability to uh to uh succeed in any way i just

01:07:56.440 think that like chicken breeds you're just gonna have some that act a little different you know like

01:08:02.300 they have like what i talked about with white people hoarding especially copper it's weird it's

01:08:06.680 like it's like you know like uh i talk about how blacks steal bikes whites will steal copper out of

01:08:13.140 people's houses or like uh job sites they'll just see a coil of copper and there's like an instinct

01:08:18.900 where they're like copper what the fuck like what is that you know it's like it's definitely racial

01:08:24.460 like why copper you know and it's like the same with hoarding where it's like a lot of whites can

01:08:30.560 have this issue with uh with hoarding and like saving and and like not being able to spend anything

01:08:38.020 and not being able to do anything that would cost them money that's all about winter that's all about

01:08:42.800 like centuries of winter where the person who couldn't save died or and was starved you know and so that is a

01:08:52.860 thing that happens like those things really do happen where you take a population and the environment

01:08:59.040 will shape like who lives and who dies like i don't believe in evolution like darwin says

01:09:03.780 but i think sexual selection uh does happen based on the environments people live in and now

01:09:10.500 how much of is it a hardware and how much is software i don't know like my buddy did a uh

01:09:15.120 a missionary in sierra leone a mission in sierra leone and said that like they're you know a lot of

01:09:22.500 them are real quick to violence and really uh some can be really dumb i don't know but the ones that

01:09:27.360 weren't beating his kids for whatever reason were really smart and he said it was real it was like

01:09:33.000 the the place in the world with the biggest discrepancy between like basically animals where

01:09:39.440 people were savagery and just like highly intelligent people and they're the same race in the same country

01:09:47.380 and it all had to do with their their exposure to violence young and like their nutrition and all

01:09:53.900 kinds of stuff but i don't know that's that's a long answer for saying i don't know but i sure

01:09:58.440 love making fun of races i'll tell you that well can't you say white people are better at stealing

01:10:02.280 than black people if black people are just stealing bikes but white people know how to commit fraud and

01:10:06.180 steal copper yeah yeah where it's like i'm not saying whites are more moral than blacks and i was

01:10:13.320 explaining this to somebody about like why there's more blacks in prison than whites when you have all

01:10:19.300 these like financial criminals like what we just talked about with mark zuckerberg like he's sitting

01:10:23.880 there but somebody who stole sneakers is in jail right so it's like that looks racist but in reality

01:10:30.060 it's because it's easier to conceive like someone runs up and hits you with a bat and takes your bike

01:10:35.560 it's easy to be like that's a criminal that's the victim that's the violence that scares me

01:10:40.480 but if somebody uses derivative markets and front loads usury schemes it's like it confuses most jurors

01:10:48.740 most jurors are like but who got hit did someone get raped you know and if nobody is bleeding they

01:10:54.860 don't see the damage but yet but yet some of these banksters will will take away an entire country's

01:11:00.540 ability to make a bike but you don't see it it's like behind the scenes and then one dude grabs a

01:11:06.240 bike and you're like thief meanwhile that like nafta like bill clinton and all these guys they took

01:11:11.980 all american manufacturing and took it away you know and it's like but you don't you just instinctively

01:11:19.480 don't see it as a crime that's why i think blacks are way overrepresented in in jails because their

01:11:26.580 type of crime looks more like crime like white crime you have to explain like oh mark zuckerberg was

01:11:34.240 aware of the effects he was paid by pfizer and this lady died and she died and he died but they just you

01:11:39.740 don't you don't think of it that way because you don't i don't know does that make sense that makes

01:11:43.620 so in a way you could say it's higher iq crime yeah yeah or yeah yeah less physical crime like more uh

01:11:51.760 yeah more based on illusion and narrative it's narrative based crime rather than aggressive

01:11:57.760 hit you with the which issue with the bat and grab your butt yeah yeah but then what what is

01:12:01.980 intelligence like i'll i'll ask you this before we leave like what is intelligence and if not

01:12:06.480 like his pattern recognition is a good determining way that's a good determining factor for intelligence

01:12:12.140 like what is intelligence is it emotional is it like what's the best way to judge if somebody's worth

01:12:17.040 having around bro that's the question and i i had this debate with my buddy for like weeks because at

01:12:23.580 first i was like whites are obviously smarter like that was my original thing and then we started

01:12:29.360 debating what intelligence is and how it's measured and how can you pot and dude it's a rabbit hole man

01:12:35.460 and i don't even know how to answer it i think like the most basic answer would be

01:12:39.800 um like cognitive ability would be to be able to understand abstract thought you know so in one way

01:12:47.040 you can measure uh spatial relations similes metaphors patterns math like how you can solve puzzles

01:12:55.620 what someone else could say uh that pattern recognition could be like you could take indigenous people

01:13:03.220 with a 60 iq but yet they'll show you exactly where all the water is under the roots they'll tell you

01:13:09.160 what weather's coming they'll track buffalo for 60 miles you know like is that not intelligence or is

01:13:15.520 that a skill like you know and so then the question is is intelligence your ability to learn new skills like

01:13:22.900 how fast can you learn and adapt and overcome and some of the if that's intelligence then some like

01:13:29.340 black con artists are the smartest people because they can pick up on something and move in quick

01:13:34.640 and learn and adapt really really fast so i don't know man it's it's one of those things i should know

01:13:42.180 like what intelligence means but it gets a little theoretical after a while you know and there's there's

01:13:49.600 really no point in i think the only people who really invest too much time in that are like

01:13:53.460 uh what i've noticed a lot of like white nerds who just want to feel superior

01:13:56.900 than other races on the internet like by calling other races uh inferior but

01:14:02.540 and that's that's a topic for another day oh and thanks for coming on again this was uh

01:14:07.140 another good conversation i appreciate having you on it's like something i was like um

01:14:11.940 when you were talking early in the conversation i felt like luke skywalker talking to obi-wan

01:14:16.220 kenobi you're like the

01:14:17.300 kenobi you're like the

01:14:17.560 kenobianka like the

SNEAKO - February 24, 2024

SNEAKO & Owen Benjamin： The Second Interview

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