SNEAKO - August 20, 2022SNEAKO Reacts To Steven Crowder!
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Summary
In this episode of Change My Mind, we revisit the controversial topic of abortion. This time, we have a special guest, Yara Steven, join us to discuss her experience with an abortion, and her thoughts on the pro-choice side of the debate.
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This is Crowder, shout out to Crowder, I'm pro-life, 30 distance, change my mind.
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No, that was a baby, let me tell you something.
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What you ended was a unique genetic code that had eye color, hair color, how tall it would
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be, how much it would weigh, its personality, proclivity toward mental illness, what kind
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When you had that abortion performed, you eliminated all of that.
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Chat, before we get into this, pro-life or pro-choice?
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I would say I'm pro-life until I get a fucking thought pregnant.
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Change my mind where we rationalize our positions on controversial issues.
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Except Brett, Brett can keep all my triplets in news.
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We decided to revisit abortion, and this go-around, a lot of notable interactions took place.
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Of all of those women that have their hands raised, which one of you would rather be-
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Except when you get a thought pregnant, man, you going to fucking Mexico.
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So it's like, once they get pregnant, then it's just like, like, damn, like, now my-
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That's like, I'm not chilling right now, so like, they gotta like-
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I could take the culture of your skin cells off, and I could be like, oh, that's a human,
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See like, right here, the baby's not ready to go out to the world and like, chill, you know?
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Are you, are you, are you, are you for real with this?
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I'm gonna guess you're two years in college right now.
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Effectively, it is a parasitic relationship between a fetus and a woman.
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As per usual, comment below your opinions on abortion and the current laws, along with
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which topics you'd want to see most discussed for future installments, of course.
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Chat, you want to see me doing videos like this?
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I think eventually I want to start pulling up to college campus and do this too, but with security
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You want to keep these coming and ensure that long-form conversation like these continue.
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Join Mug Club at louderwithcrowder.com slash mugclub.
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And we'll actually have another installment with multiple conversations uploaded soon,
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but I wanted to give one particular interview its own attention in this episode because of
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all the Change My Mind segments we've conducted.
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She's getting triggered in four minutes, I guarantee you.
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I just want to say no personal offense to either one of us.
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And I know you just said you have to calm yourself down because people are hyping your
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You know, it's the legality of we can't just really give people water because then they
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If you disagree with my position, you're welcome to change my mind.
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This is triggering about my baby that I killed.
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That definitely really strikes a chord with me is the fact that...
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A majority of women who have actually had to face the choice of abortion is because it
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was either necessary, it was medically necessary, or it was just a decision that really was
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And from my understanding, a majority of men, I understand they pay child support.
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I understand that a man is half what it takes to create a child.
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But when you are by yourself, and you are alone, and it is dark, and you have to face, do I
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Yeah, you always say I can go back, but that's twice as hard.
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Don't you hate this new YouTube bullshit when they fucking...
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Like, Chad, what do you think about these warnings that they put in videos now?
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Every time I see this, I'm like, oh, so I know to disagree with whatever YouTube is
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I watch my mom as a single mother, and I don't want that life for myself.
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I understand the legalities behind late abortion, and I do not support it unless it is medically
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In the terms of it would kill the mother, the fetus is no longer viable.
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First off, I appreciate you being so forthcoming with your personal story.
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You didn't have to do that, so I do appreciate that.
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A lot of people are not willing to talk about it.
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As far as yourself, if you don't want to be a single mother, go through that life, don't
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Abstinence, contraception, motherhood, adoption.
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Maybe you should have not gotten uttered in by that guy on Tinder.
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I'm just against the one that involves killing another human being.
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And I think it's very important here to go back to the very first thing that you said,
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The way she talks, don't you want to like play the world's smallest?
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It's a fork in the road in determining your future.
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Conflating those, I think it's pivotal because most abortions performed are not medically
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Most are performed because the mother at that point doesn't want to deal with the consequences
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Real quick, going back to the four choices that you just said.
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Abstinence, which right now, let's realistically look at the rates of teen sexual activity.
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In this state, we do not recognize sex education for what it is.
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We decide to teach abstinence instead of safe sex.
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And in some cases, it can do more harm than good.
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There are some women who can't take it, who can't handle it.
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And yes, I understand there's adoption as well.
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While we're dealing, by the way, with abstinence, it is a choice.
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This dude got no coochie until he put a ring on it?
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But just, just because it's rare doesn't mean that it's not a dis...
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Contraception doesn't involve only hormonal birth control.
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It also involves a 50-cent rubber that you could get at a truck stop.
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And every time you engage in sexual intercourse,
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you know that you're engaging in an activity that could lead to a baby.
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Well, I mean, if you want to get into adoption,
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let's look at the thousands of babies who are in the foster program right now.
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I mean, I understand not having late-term abortions unless it's medically necessary.
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But my whole point is women who are pro-choice make this decision.
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And anybody who wants to argue on a religious basis, at the end of the day...
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A portion of people who do want to make that religious argument.
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So, those children are still in the foster care program right now.
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Theoretically speaking, let's say abortion was completely taken away.
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What happens with the influx of births that are going to occur?
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What's going to happen with the women who don't want those children,
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who initially didn't want that child, and do give them up for adoption?
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And we have a huge surplus of more children in the foster care program
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who then will not be adopted, just as the many thousands that are in it right now.
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It sounds to me, first off, like a lot of absolvement of responsibility.
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But, just because someone is a burden, is that how we place value on human life?
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If someone is more burdensome because they're unwanted,
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I know it's a different topic, but it's just something similar.
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We don't want to take the burden of some of our mistakes on a day-to-day basis, but yet...
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You don't want to hold accountability for yourself.
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But it's not as polar opposite as this right now.
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As in the sense of, like, I can't bring up other topics, because then we're going to get off topics.
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It sounds like we're absolving women, both women and men, by the way.
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I don't know if you consider yourself a feminist at all, but I certainly wouldn't let men off the hook as you are right here.
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Listen, both women and men have a responsibility to either be abstinent, use proper contraception.
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I don't believe for a second that people are not aware of the contraception methods available to them.
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And then also be parents or provide a baby for adoption.
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It sounds to me like absolving people from a lot of responsibility.
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And again, none of this is okay if it's a human life.
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I know she has a fishing hat on, but she's not a whale.
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That should help deter women from wanting to have an abortion are not as easily acceptable as everybody thinks.
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For real though, be honest, be honest, be honest.
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Just because you make a certain amount of money per year means that you don't qualify for the government aid, the health care program.
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I slipped through the cracks because I'm right in the middle.
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And yes, I can be another person on government subsidies, as well as my child.
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But do you really want to pay for those subsidies?
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Do you want to pay for my subsidies that I need requiring...
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We're going to go and say, well, you're not really pro-life unless you support Insert Socialize Program here.
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In general, it says I'm pretty consistent across the board.
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I'm pro-life, meaning you cannot kill another human being inside the womb or outside of the womb.
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So, I think the pivotal question becomes, you talk about the choice, the choice, the choice.
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You believe it's a human right to provide a fifth choice.
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So, in that case, I think it's very important for you to, I guess, explain to me why that's not a human life.
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That's not necessarily something that you can explain according to biology.
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Technically, you can say that it is a human life, but I'm not...
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I'm not going to get into that conversation because you can tail dog me all day long on it.
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Okay, I'm not going to say whale tail or some shit like that.
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Like, when do you believe that the point of life begins?
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I will answer that question, but let me continue on this logic trail here.
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If you are advocating for abortion, and we both acknowledge that it could be potentially ending a human life,
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isn't it important for you to be able to prove that it's not?
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It's not okay to end human life only when the government says that we can.
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It's not okay to end human life against one's will.
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Well, listen, we're talking about wars, and we're talking about self-defense.
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Okay, so then you wouldn't approve of it happening in a womb, correct?
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I don't approve of you saying that a child in a womb is going to be the de facto of what happens in my life.
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I don't appreciate a person killing another human being.
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So I get that you say, listen, I don't want you to have a say in my life,
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You are by changing the legalities of the laws that I live,
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the laws that affect me, and the millions of other women that have to...
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When a bitch gets pregnant, now we're both equally responsible.
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But with pro-choice, the bitch has all the fucking say.
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A man has no say in whether or not you got to raise that baby or not.
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And if she decides to, then you got to pay alimony,
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you got to feed that kid that you don't even really...
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So you only support abortion if it's medically necessary?
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Okay, so what do you mean have to have the abortion then?
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If I don't have the abortion, then I have to quit school.
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Whenever it comes to sitting there and weighing your options
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until you have physically carried something in you,
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I'm not saying it's something that's beautiful.
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I'm not saying that people are out here having tea parties
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They were doing the Shout Your Abortion campaign.
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I can understand the moral obligations that you feel.
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that still constitute someone to be charged with murder
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or even manslaughter if there was an accident...
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There's a difference between what's law and what's moral.
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Okay, a good example would be, let's say, slave owners.
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It was legal at one point, and it benefited slave owners, right?
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They could control the bodies of other human beings.
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The people who are killing other lives, often out of convenience.
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It certainly is harmful to the baby inside of the womb.
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So I do think it's very important here for you to define
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It says, it seems for you, your definition is viability.
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When the child is viable outside of the womb, and that does not happen...
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You just said that babies learn when they're two to three months, though.
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And we've already talked about late-term abortions occur in the third trimester.
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I believe if you've had that baby for six months, have the damn baby.
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You know, women who do have late-term abortions,
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they're not out here walking around at eight months pregnant.
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Okay, I understand your pro-choice or pro-life.
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Should you be able to abort your baby after they're born?
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Like, what's the cap on, like, outside, like, after-birth abortions?
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Mmm, there's a majority that are medically induced and necessary.
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As a matter of fact, nearly never, nearly never is a late-term abortion medically necessary.
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Okay, so you would be against late-term abortions?
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So you would be against most late-term abortions?
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Are you aware of the Born Alive Survived Abortion Infant Protection Act?
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That just was presented and all major Democratic presidential candidates voted against.
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Because it sounds like we might find some common ground here.
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This is a bill proposed for babies who survive abortions.
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Well, no, this is about all babies who survive abortions.
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At what point are these children surviving these abortions?
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What it basically requires is that doctors simply provide the same kind of medical care
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to born babies from survived abortions as born babies who didn't survive attempted abortions.
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Every major DNC candidate voted against that protection.
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No, that's not in the sense of, like, moralities when it comes to having the abortion in general.
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You're talking about saving a child who did actually survive.
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And that, in that point, yeah, you do have that common ground.
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But what we're talking about today is the initial access of abortions and women who need them.
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You may not feel like they need them, but you know what?
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I'm creating a life for myself, and I'm hoping to make a future for myself.
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What the hell does that have to do with abortion?
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If a woman is asked a question, it's like, I'm not going to answer that.
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Do you want to say, no, I didn't get an abortion?
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They can't handle truth, so they'll live in the lie.
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I mean, I'm not going to judge you, but stop lying about it.
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Okay, well, you just came out here and said, I'm-
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I had to sit in that chair, and I had to face the facts that, yes, what I was doing
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was something that was going to change my future.
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Isn't it funny that she's so pro-abortion and everything?
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Abortion's great, and then, like, you ask publicly, like, did you get one?
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Because you got a little bit of shame, a little bit of guilt.
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If it's so good, then you should be able to yell it everywhere.
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You shouldn't feel any shame if you really are that proud of it.
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I did not qualify for any kind of funding or payments that people say exist.
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Everybody who wants to say, I would have adopted your baby, I'm sorry, but go adopt the other
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4,000 that are already in foster care programs here.
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Just because not everyone here would adopt that baby doesn't mean it's justifiably killed.
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It doesn't mean that it was justifiably meant to force me to have a baby.
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The only forcible act there is the act of killing.
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I want to ask you how many single women, how many single parents who are women are in poverty?
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Because I'm going to tell you from a perspective of not being...
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Well, you just asked me, but then you said I'm going to tell you.
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It could not be less relevant because you're not justified in killing somebody based on poverty,
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That's hilarious because a lot of our politicians have justifiably killed other people for less.
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I can't speak for all politicians, but to go to your argument, I don't believe you're
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justified in killing someone because of a lower income level.
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I feel like I'm justified in saving myself from having to be forced into that lower income
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level just because I don't have the accesses of other women who...
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We're able to, what, have a husband to support them, have the ability to pay the 15,000 plus
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Like you talk about going back to school, it's really hard to go back.
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It's hard to go back in time and unring that cell.
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Because it wasn't viable until it's outside of the womb.
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Now we know why she doesn't support late-term abortions.
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Because she fucking killed that shit when it was two months old.
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And so she gets to have her little common ground of like, oh, but late-term abortions
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Because I killed mine when it was two months and not six months.
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That was a baby with its own, listen, you might not like, no, that was a baby, let me
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What you ended was a unique genetic code that had eye color, hair color, how tall it would
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They go in, oh my gosh, she's having flashback, she's got, oh God.
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Clivity toward mental illness, what kind of hair pattern to male pattern baldness.
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When you had that abortion performed, you eliminated all of that.
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The fact is, is that it was a choice and it was something that had to be done.
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Isn't that what Walter White said when he killed a kid in that show?
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Because regardless of if it's ugly, if it's, if, if, no, even if it's not.
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So why did someone have to do it if it wasn't medically necessary?
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Especially when it's only six weeks and you know, the heartbeat law, you're familiar,
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It's not really consistent across the board though.
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As we see in Texas, you're going to have abortions up for 20 weeks.
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No, I, I believe that life begins at conception.
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See, I believe that life begins when the child is, is viable.
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Outside of the womb within the third trimester.
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So you just said viable, but you pointed at 10 weeks.
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I'm not a doctor and I'm not a scientist, so I'm not going to say that on record.
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Sit here and make myself look ignorant whenever you're probably ready, prepared with the facts.
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A human being alive today, are they worth more than a human being alive 200 years ago?
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Now she's doing some fucking fifth grade tactics.
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No, I don't believe their life is worth more than a human being born 50 years ago, 100 years
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I believe that human life is intrinsically valuable.
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And right now, we're talking about two 25-year-olds.
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If you're on the Titanic, say you're on the Titanic, you're about to go into the iceberg
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and you've got to pick the 98-year-old or the pregnant woman.
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Let's say the pregnant woman can get on that lifeboat.
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Would you place more value on one person in a certain point in time than the other person?
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I don't believe that a wealthy white male on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, I don't
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believe that his life is worth any more than a poor black female in Louisiana.
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The way that the laws are set up, I would agree.
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No, you're using a theory because, technically, look at the laws and look at how it works and
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The Manhattan man does actually have more value because he has more money in his pocket.
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No, it's because he can pay that bail bond to get out, and he can pay for whatever he wants.
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I know you said that you're not prepared, and so you don't want me to present the facts,
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but you're going to have to allow me to do so at some point.
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It's not necessarily I don't want you to present the facts.
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It's the fact that I want you to recognize that there are other people that do actually
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have an opposing opinion other than yours that don't believe that life does begin at conception.
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I recognize you have an opinion, and I recognize you have a right to an opinion.
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So let me present my opinion so you fully understand it.
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You use viability as a measurement for a human being.
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There are a lot of parameters there that could change it.
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Now, the reason I bring up someone in the Upper East Side versus a poor person in Louisiana
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is with the modern innovations in technology and science, particularly medical innovations,
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you can have a baby that's completely viable in Manhattan, and that exact same baby, that
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exact same length along in the pregnancy is not viable in, let's say, the hills of West
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Virginia or in Louisiana because they don't have access to the same medical care.
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If a baby survives because it's born in Lenox Hill in Manhattan at 21 weeks, and that same
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baby dies in Louisiana, one is a life, one is a human life, and one's not?
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No, you just said that viability is what determines human life.
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So, does that mean that a human life, the value of a life, is different in New York?
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York, in the city, then in, let's say, Louisiana.
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Exact same time, a baby, let's say 22 weeks along in New York, in the greatest hospital in
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That same baby, 22 weeks along in the bayou in Louisiana.
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One lives at 22 weeks, one doesn't because of modern medical care.
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You believe that that's a consistent measurement of the value of human life?
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I mean, is it viability is the determination on if it's alive, so then no.
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If it dies at 22 weeks in one location, whether it doesn't matter its geographical location.
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So in your view, people who come from a privileged upper class with better access to medical care
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are worth more as human beings, certainly in New York.
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That's the way our system is set up, and I think it should be changed.
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You just, you know, shrunk away, but that's the truth.
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I'm sorry, but the person who can afford the medical bills and the person who can afford...
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The only difference here is there's one of us saying, if you're going to talk about
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changing the system, I'm saying we need a system that recognizes human life, both in
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Louisiana, the hills of West Virginia, and New York.
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Ask yourself, why are these women feeling as though they need one?
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Why do these women feel as though they can't take care of a baby?
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Because I can tell you right now, if I had the perfect job, the perfect husband, perfect
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Well, I tell you what, I certainly don't have any of those things, but I wouldn't feel