SNEAKO - February 02, 2023


SNEAKO Reacts To The Tate's New Lawyer


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Tristian and Andrew Tate have been in custody for over 30 days without any charges being filed against them. They are being held in Romania as part of an investigation into rape and human trafficking. This is a violation of international human rights and the due process of law.

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00:00:00.480 He's been in custody, the brothers have been in custody longer than his baby has even been alive.
00:00:05.520 We are now awaiting a decision by the court and we are hopeful that they will do the right.
00:00:10.160 So the Tate Bros got a new lawyer and apparently she represented Chris Brown and Tyson,
00:00:15.600 which, you know, understandable, toxic masculinity.
00:00:19.200 And let the Tate brothers out of custody.
00:00:22.160 It's no secret that the Tate brothers are controversial public personas.
00:00:26.960 But this is not about their public persona and whether you agree with their viewpoints or not.
00:00:33.040 This is about the violation of international human rights and the due process of law.
00:00:38.400 So far, the system has failed.
00:00:40.640 The Tate brothers, who are both U.S. citizens, have been in jail for over 30 days now without bail
00:00:47.600 and without any charges being filed against them.
00:00:50.640 This investigation started in April of last year.
00:00:54.160 And the fact that today is February 1st and no charges have been filed in the 10 month period should speak volumes as to the state of the evidence.
00:01:04.640 The continued detention of the Tate brothers under these circumstances is a violation of international human rights law
00:01:12.240 and of the EU guidelines and Romania, obviously, as a member of the EU.
00:01:18.720 So despite what anyone's viewpoint might be as to the Tate brothers and if they agree or don't agree,
00:01:25.680 everybody should be concerned about this global issue.
00:01:29.440 My firm has joined the Romanian legal team because we want to ensure that our citizens are protected when they're abroad.
00:01:36.320 And we will continue to fight to get the Tate brothers out of custody and home where they belong.
00:01:42.800 Do you trust her?
00:01:44.400 Did they fire the first lawyer?
00:01:45.600 But I like the way she's talking.
00:01:47.200 She's making me feel comfortable.
00:01:48.560 It's good because she's like nice feminine voice, bouncing out all the trafficking allegations. 0.98
00:01:54.000 This is good.
00:01:55.440 This is good.
00:01:56.080 And apparently she was on Lears-Lorgan, too.
00:01:59.520 I want to go watch this nine-minute interview.
00:02:02.560 There were more updates today.
00:02:03.680 Apparently, there was supposed to be an update, but they went to court and I think they're staying in prison indefinitely,
00:02:12.080 which, in my opinion, I think is a human rights violation.
00:02:15.840 They should be free.
00:02:18.160 Too much evidence has come out.
00:02:19.840 All the people that they're trying to call victims, that Dicot's trying to call victims are coming out and saying that they're not. 1.00
00:02:24.080 It's garbage, bro. 1.00
00:02:26.840 It's garbage. 1.00
00:02:29.280 Censor man posted a video exposing the two girls. 1.00
00:02:31.580 Okay, let's see.
00:02:32.320 Whatever.
00:02:32.800 Let's see this.
00:02:33.240 This is Lears-Lorgan, Andrew Tate's lawyer on his attainment.
00:02:37.000 They're controversial.
00:02:37.760 That's not a crime.
00:02:39.080 Well, next, Andrew Tate will spend the next month behind bars in Romania after losing the latest appeal against his detention.
00:02:44.600 Tate and his brother, Tristian, are being held as part of an investigation into rape and human trafficking.
00:02:49.320 Speaking outside court, Andrew Tate said he's done nothing wrong.
00:02:52.280 Are you innocent?
00:02:54.280 Are you innocent?
00:02:58.120 No, I'm innocent.
00:03:01.840 There's no much justice in our area.
00:03:03.640 Are you?
00:03:04.120 Are you?
00:03:06.040 Well, the pack is still with me.
00:03:07.320 Plus, joining me now is the lawyer for the Tate brothers.
00:03:09.780 It is funny seeing the switch up.
00:03:13.000 Because, like, even when I went to Romania, when I went to Bucharest, I kept bringing that up, like, because he talked a lot about how, like, Romania, you can get away with certain things.
00:03:20.880 And he talked about how it was corrupt.
00:03:22.780 But if you have a good reputation, then you're going to be fine.
00:03:25.000 But then now seeing it now, the amount of people, like, who are saying Romania is on the certain global spotlight.
00:03:33.080 Romania is being, is under global view.
00:03:36.200 And everybody is, they're failing in front of everybody. 1.00
00:03:39.380 But we all heard Andrew say that shit all the time. 1.00
00:03:41.900 Turn this down louder. 1.00
00:03:42.520 Okay.
00:03:44.360 Yeah, free top G.
00:03:45.980 I was thinking about this on the plane when I was on the way here.
00:03:48.380 How, um, I actually, I, uh, I was on FaceTime with my dad when we had dinner in Bucharest.
00:03:57.520 And, uh, Andrew got to speak to my dad for a little bit, briefly.
00:04:00.980 And that was just, like, a weird sight to see.
00:04:04.120 Because from, like, internet world and, like, my dad doesn't even, um, especially he's been critical and he's saying, like, I don't agree with everything.
00:04:11.540 But I just had, like, a flashback of that today.
00:04:14.440 And also the same dinner, we kept talking about, yeah, like, how I remember even on the emergency meeting, I was saying that, like, oh, I was thinking about moving to Croatia or, like, some part of Eastern Europe because of how they were speaking positively about it.
00:04:29.540 But, you know, ultimately, like, even speaking to Ryan Dawson, now I'm like, oh, Japan.
00:04:33.780 And I am realizing that I am, I'm very easily influenced, Chad.
00:04:38.140 I think, I think everybody kind of tends to realize that.
00:04:40.600 I did a podcast with Muhammad Hijab the other day.
00:04:43.040 I'm not sure when it's dropping.
00:04:44.220 But it was pretty much, like, an hour and a half of Muhammad Hijab trying to convert me to Islam, not really letting me talk. 0.97
00:04:49.240 Because even, like, when I talk to young Don, the sauce God, it's like, he's just trying to convert me to Christianity.
00:04:54.000 He called me up and, like, the Bible, the Bible.
00:04:56.660 People can tell that I am easily influenced.
00:04:59.940 And then even then you get the feminists and you get Destiny in your apartment and they're like, let me blue pill you. 1.00
00:05:04.560 Everybody, I don't think people, do you notice that, Chad?
00:05:08.380 And, like, same thing with Fresh and Fit.
00:05:09.680 They're like, oh, you never listen, you never listen, you never listen.
00:05:11.840 Everyone thinks that they know everything and that I'm, like, a vessel to go and join them.
00:05:18.820 Have you noticed that?
00:05:20.060 I don't think it's a bad thing.
00:05:21.600 But I've noticed that difference compared to most other people.
00:05:25.900 Don't worry, burnout says I can, I am too.
00:05:29.080 Well, I think I'm open-minded.
00:05:30.420 It's good to be critical, to think critically.
00:05:33.000 But it's because you're Lil Bro, Nikko.
00:05:35.580 Bro, Nikko, you are actually Lil Bro.
00:05:39.020 Well, most everyone young is.
00:05:40.740 But I'm not even that young.
00:05:42.880 Like, I'm turning 20.
00:05:43.760 I'm 24.
00:05:45.720 I'm not even that young.
00:05:48.140 That's what kind of bugs me.
00:05:49.780 Hello, Nikko, greetings to Bucharest.
00:05:50.780 Shout out to Bucharest.
00:05:51.840 I mean, not Dicot and everything.
00:05:53.680 But, yeah, Bucharest was fun.
00:05:55.140 But, yeah, I remember just sitting at dinner and then, like, handing over FaceTime.
00:05:59.500 And it's just seeing, like, Andrew on my phone, like, talking to my dad.
00:06:03.700 They're like, hey, nice to meet you, G. 0.99
00:06:04.920 Like, it's just like, what the fuck? 0.99
00:06:08.140 But, yeah. 0.99
00:06:08.680 A lesson I've just been realizing recently, like, talking to a lot of people that are extremely smart.
00:06:14.040 Even though I disagree with Destiny and disagree with some things.
00:06:17.080 Dawson, I don't actually disagree with pretty much anything.
00:06:19.460 I think he's a little bit too pessimistic.
00:06:20.900 But Ryan Dawson's really smart.
00:06:22.320 It's that you should be a little more, well, look at me trying to influence my chat.
00:06:26.740 But this is just, like, life advice.
00:06:28.020 Like, I think you should be a little more set in stone in what you believe in.
00:06:31.060 But it's hard, right?
00:06:31.840 It's hard.
00:06:32.280 Like, especially if you grew up in the digital age.
00:06:34.220 There's so many different influences all the time.
00:06:36.020 Who is in Romania.
00:06:37.760 Well, welcome to you, Ms. Landy.
00:06:39.140 I really appreciate you joining me.
00:06:40.740 Where are we with this case?
00:06:41.940 It seems that every now and again this pops up back on television with them being remanded for further time.
00:06:47.680 How long can that process continue before a charging decision is made?
00:06:51.820 Under Romanian law, they have up to 180 days, which is in 30-day increments.
00:06:59.580 So every time there's a 30-day detention order, they're allowed to renew their request and have it extended for an additional 30 days, but not to exceed 180 days.
00:07:08.720 Okay.
00:07:09.760 You've taken on this case.
00:07:11.520 Andrew Tate has been repeatedly bellowing his innocence as he's been led in and out of these court hearings and so on.
00:07:20.180 Do you believe them?
00:07:22.240 Do you believe that he and his brother are innocent?
00:07:24.900 Of course.
00:07:26.120 Okay.
00:07:26.600 What type of a question is this?
00:07:28.460 Oh, person representing a client legally.
00:07:31.900 Do you believe that?
00:07:32.780 What?
00:07:33.320 If she says that, no, they're guilty, then she's the worst lawyer of all time. 1.00
00:07:37.400 Stupid question. 1.00
00:07:38.160 Common leers, Al. 1.00
00:07:39.880 At this point, Pierce, they've had this investigation going since April.
00:07:44.140 We're now February, and there are not even charges filed against them.
00:07:47.640 So this is a huge injustice the way we see it.
00:07:50.740 They should not be detained at this point.
00:07:53.220 We think it's now crossed over to the point where it's violating international human rights law.
00:07:57.660 Because the deprivation of your liberty pre-trial is the most severe form of punishment a state can impose.
00:08:05.960 And that's what they've done in this case.
00:08:07.660 And they've had a very lengthy investigation with the government's resources.
00:08:10.920 They've been analyzing and looking at all of their devices since April when they seized everything.
00:08:18.500 And here we are, February, and charges aren't filed.
00:08:20.880 So I think there's absolutely no evidence that's been presented.
00:08:24.160 And that's our position.
00:08:26.880 What is the – I mean, how are your clients at the moment?
00:08:29.440 How is Andrew Tate dealing with incarceration?
00:08:32.460 I mean, I interviewed him just before Christmas.
00:08:35.040 We had a long, wide-ranging interview.
00:08:37.080 And once again, I was struck by the phenomenal following that he has online, particularly with young men.
00:08:43.000 You know, he has an enormous following there.
00:08:45.500 You and I know this has been whipped up now by that community into a huge framing of a narrative that this is complete injustice.
00:08:52.840 There are others who think this has been a long time coming, that he's a bad –
00:08:56.500 Here's his low-key a fan, but he doesn't want to admit it because he's on the news.
00:08:59.800 He's a human being and that he's going to face very serious charges, and that will be the last we see of him.
00:09:04.880 But how is he faring right now, given that at the moment he's in this limbo land of no charging, but being held in incarceration?
00:09:13.320 The brothers are both very strong, they're resilient, and they're holding up.
00:09:19.780 But obviously, the conditions are not good.
00:09:22.380 They're in a Romanian jail cell, and they've been detained for a very lengthy period at this point.
00:09:27.500 They have limited access to their attorneys.
00:09:30.380 It's not a good condition for them.
00:09:33.220 You've obviously represented a lot of people –
00:09:34.740 And as far as –
00:09:35.320 Sorry, please finish.
00:09:36.640 I was just going to –
00:09:38.620 I was going to say, to your second point, they're controversial public figures, but that's not a crime.
00:09:44.480 And at this point, we have not been – provided any proof that they've committed any crimes.
00:09:49.440 Nothing.
00:09:49.920 Nor have they even been charged, so I would ask that.
00:09:52.040 W female lawyer, way more empathy. 1.00
00:09:54.000 The first lawyer they had, he looked like a fucking gangster. 1.00
00:09:56.580 He was speaking in Romanian, like, 1.00
00:09:58.300 I'm like, this guy looks like he's in a basement smoking cigars.
00:10:06.640 You know, you don't trust him enough.
00:10:08.840 This one's like, yeah, there's no evidence.
00:10:11.300 La, la, la.
00:10:12.060 I'm a woman.
00:10:12.920 I'm vouching.
00:10:13.680 You know?
00:10:14.260 Good.
00:10:14.800 Good.
00:10:15.180 You understand why Mike Tyson and Chris Brown are walking free after beating women.
00:10:20.580 That people presume them innocent as they are.
00:10:22.960 Do they feel that they are being tried in the court of public opinion?
00:10:30.580 I think the public is divided, as you know.
00:10:33.420 I think they have a big following.
00:10:35.200 But at the end of the day, yes, I think there is a lot of information in the public.
00:10:38.860 I think there's a lot of false allegations in the public.
00:10:41.700 I think some evidence has now been put forth.
00:10:44.220 Again, I don't want to comment too much on the facts of the case since there is an ongoing criminal investigation.
00:10:49.700 However, I think there has been evidence put out, videos and other statements for the public to see what the supposed state of the evidence actually is.
00:10:59.940 It's been interesting to watch Andrew Tate's Twitter feed, in particular, that he's continued to tweet.
00:11:06.280 Is he doing that himself?
00:11:07.540 Has he got people doing that for him?
00:11:09.840 And how do you feel from a legal point of view?
00:11:11.960 Is it a wise tactic to continue to do that?
00:11:14.840 You've got to keep the business running, man.
00:11:16.540 On social media, when you're being held in custody by the remaining authorities?
00:11:23.260 Well, again, he doesn't have access, so he's not doing anything directly.
00:11:26.720 And what's being put out is on his accounts, and I'm not going to speak as to the source of posts and what's being put out.
00:11:37.340 But I think, again, as of now, he's not charged with anything, and he's free to comment publicly if he wishes to.
00:11:46.260 They've obviously—we know that they seized nearly three and a half million pounds in cash, 11—
00:11:52.100 I mean, let's be honest, Chad, it's obviously—
00:11:54.520 OK, well, you know what?
00:11:55.600 You know?
00:11:56.020 No.
00:11:56.400 Who knows?
00:11:57.180 There's no evidence.
00:11:57.820 Sports cars, guns, and other weapons.
00:12:00.940 Are any of the things that have been seized from the property, are they in themselves acts of lawbreaking, just the possession of any of these things?
00:12:11.500 To my knowledge, they're not.
00:12:12.960 I think if they were, they would have been charged with crimes.
00:12:15.600 Again, they had the initial search in April, and it's February.
00:12:18.980 It's been 10 months, and no charges have been filed whatsoever.
00:12:23.540 We have an ongoing criminal investigation for which this is a preventative detention, which is why they're in custody.
00:12:29.080 Again, this is the most severe form of punishment.
00:12:31.600 I don't think it's justified under these circumstances where the prosecution hasn't set forth enough evidence to charge them,
00:12:39.180 and yet they are detained, and it's being prolonged.
00:12:43.900 But you do accept—
00:12:45.000 She's just said the same thing five times.
00:12:46.600 Okay, but good, good, good.
00:12:47.800 Lawyer talk, you get it.
00:12:48.820 Of course, that if the women who've come forward here as part of the investigation,
00:12:52.960 if they're telling the truth, these are very serious allegations against your clients,
00:12:58.020 which could lead to charging, and if it led to charging, could lead potentially to long prison sentences if found guilty.
00:13:03.880 Certainly, the crimes at issue are very serious crimes, and I think, Pierce, actually, it was on your show when you interviewed Tate several months ago.
00:13:15.300 He made very strong statements about his position on rape.
00:13:20.040 Bro, they only have, like, limited B-roll, too.
00:13:22.080 And he condemned rape, and he said it was disgusting.
00:13:25.360 It was, I'm pretty sure—
00:13:26.340 You know, right now, they're just trying to rattle them.
00:13:28.120 They're trying to break the iron mine.
00:13:29.700 That's why they're being held for so long without any evidence.
00:13:32.180 They just want to go and break them so that if it does go to trial, then they're just going to be weaker.
00:13:37.840 But iron mine, unmatched perspicacity, it's not going to work.
00:13:40.920 The word he used, and he said he thought that somebody who does that deserves the death penalty.
00:13:45.520 So there's no question that these are serious charges, and even in his own words, they're very serious charges.
00:13:51.520 There just isn't any evidence that they committed these crimes.
00:13:53.860 But you know, we've also had tapes which have emerged in the last few weeks of him talking about rape to a woman in a pretty unsavory manner.
00:14:01.700 Consensual role play, come on.
00:14:03.560 And also, why die-cott?
00:14:05.580 Look through the CCTV footage.
00:14:07.360 We all want you to go look through it, and you're choosing not to deliberately look through the footage.
00:14:12.240 So what is your response to that?
00:14:14.680 Can you—I'm sorry, I didn't catch that.
00:14:16.900 You said what surfaced?
00:14:17.960 There have been various tapes have surfaced in part of media investigations in the last few weeks,
00:14:23.480 including Andrew Tate talking about rape to a woman in a pretty unsavory manner.
00:14:28.540 So what would your reaction be to that?
00:14:31.300 Well, first of all, I think the authenticity of anything that is presented through the media as opposed to turned over to the defense needs to be questioned because material is edited and it's easily manipulated.
00:14:46.600 So first—
00:14:46.940 Oh, W voice changer?
00:14:48.580 I would say that.
00:14:49.220 Secondly, I don't think certain text messages—you know, there are—I'm not here to judge or to talk to people's desires or fetishes,
00:14:59.200 but certainly somebody could easily set someone up by saying they like—they have certain fantasies,
00:15:05.160 they want certain things done to them or said to them.
00:15:08.960 And so there's a lot that goes into it.
00:15:11.280 You can't take a text message out of context.
00:15:13.600 You first have to know, first of all, the entire context of it and what the background is.
00:15:18.900 There needs to be explanation.
00:15:20.860 So I think you have to keep all of that in mind when you're seeing something in the media.
00:15:26.020 We do.
00:15:26.560 And we have to keep in mind also the judge's reasoning for all this.
00:15:29.760 They explained on the 20th of January that they viewed the particular dangerousness of the defendants
00:15:35.460 and their capacity to identify victims with increased vulnerability in search of better life opportunities.
00:15:40.720 So all of this has to be taken into account.
00:15:42.680 But it goes on, and as you rightly say, at the moment, there have been no charges against your clients.
00:15:48.940 And until or if that point arrives, we're in a world of allegation, not actual charges.
00:15:57.740 Correct.
00:15:58.460 And right now, exactly, there's a presumption of innocence that every accused has,
00:16:04.200 and that attaches from the time you're even charged.
00:16:07.160 And here, we're not even there.
00:16:08.480 They haven't even charged them with crimes.
00:16:10.100 So any sort of comments as to their alleged dangerousness, there's no evidence of that.
00:16:17.240 There isn't even a presumption of that.
00:16:18.700 They need to be presumed innocent, and that hasn't happened in this case.
00:16:22.920 There's really a lack of evidence.
00:16:24.900 But that's men.
00:16:27.460 Men, if you get accused of anything, you are guilty until proven innocent.
00:16:31.420 That's just how it is for any celebrity, for any man, even people in school.
00:16:36.100 As long as you get accused by a woman, doesn't matter how much she's lying,
00:16:40.040 she won't face consequences.
00:16:41.300 You are guilty until proven innocent.
00:16:42.940 We know this.
00:16:43.500 That's it.
00:16:49.280 This is your job?