In this episode, I sit down with my good friend and former co-host of the corporate war of 20s podcast, Charlie Kirk, to talk about how he got kicked out of the Groypers and why he decided to speak out about it.
00:00:00.000yeah that was pretty crazy well it's not that crazy well I wasn't sure actually yeah because
00:00:15.360they said we've been talking to him for an hour before you got there yeah not give us a clear
00:00:19.440answer or saying like oh I think so but I think I got you think I got you no yeah I'm all right
00:00:26.220I think I think a couple hundred fans for me didn't help when you want yeah that probably
00:00:30.300yeah I think they kicked you out anyway so they were ready I think probably because I told them
00:00:35.060how to pass for you they were probably and they weren't giving me a clear answer they kept just
00:00:38.820like stringing me along they probably wanted me to come so I could take it what's the back story
00:00:43.260I mean you told me a little bit about the corporate war of 20s I don't know 2019 2020 yeah why do you
00:00:49.440have a beef with Charlie Kirk well I mean honestly they started it not to be that guy but I had
00:00:56.000basically no interaction with them for years because I got started in 2017 and I had no
00:01:01.260interaction with them that whole year 2018 2019 and then in 2019 I was in a photo with Ashley St.
00:01:08.860Claire you know she's on Twitter she's her ex now she's a big influencer she's tied with Elon I was at
00:01:15.120this party with her I was in a picture with her they fired her as an ambassador because she was in the
00:01:20.940picture and that was the first shot basically because I had no beef with them she's Jewish too
00:01:25.980right Ashley St. Clair yeah and you know she's actually a nice person I don't agree with her
00:01:31.240on everything but I've known her for a long time and so we were in the photo they fired her as an
00:01:36.400ambassador because she was in the photo so and then the griper war started but you know honestly the
00:01:42.940griper war we all we did was participate in the event it's a speech and a Q&A so and by the way it
00:01:53.080wasn't like we cooked it up I mean people were just spontaneously doing that everybody thinks I
00:01:57.900was the mastermind I became the mastermind but it started out yeah I kind of you know we took it and
00:02:03.940we wrote it but when it started in Colorado it was just two random guys they asked these questions and
00:02:09.700it was pretty organic and I don't know I mean they claim to be like free marketplace of ideas were the
00:02:15.840conservative movement but then when people actually want to critique them from the right rather than from
00:02:21.340the left they say shut it down no more questions you can't participate and you know what's incredible
00:02:28.560is just like the double standard they'll sit and debate socialists they claim communism killed 100
00:02:33.920million people but they'll talk to communists I haven't killed anybody but they say you can't even
00:02:39.340come in the building you know your people can't ask the questions so you know a lot of the
00:02:45.080Groypers have heard the story a million times but it's just totally outrageous that we really do get
00:02:49.820treated differently than anybody else it threw me a little off guard I thought it wasn't going to be
00:02:53.240like treatment I thought we were going to get in and they just because that's what they're
00:02:56.220sounding like me they want to give me a clear answer but sound like oh yeah we're going to get
00:02:59.180this pass and then they come in it was boom they rushed up like five people in his face they
00:03:04.100wouldn't say why I kept being like why is it being kicked out no answer just a higher up say can we
00:03:08.660speak to higher ups yeah I asked to speak to higher ups I actually did talk to people
00:03:11.840afterwards and got a private conversations that were like oh we agree with someone you say it's
00:03:16.760just kind of why don't you say this publicly right we walked right in really yeah they were really
00:03:21.840friendly both of you guys yeah right it was a lot of fun you should have came yeah I tried it's crazy how
00:03:29.140awesome have you been I've had multiple people tell me I should have no contact with you that I'm
00:03:32.640probably in my career for the future but I'm not going to live as a coward and like oh I can't talk to you you've been nothing you know you've been a friend to me we've been cool so how am I going to not talk to you until the people are telling me to you it's just
00:03:41.820insane like I'm a grown man people tell me I can't talk to you it's insane to me that people
00:03:46.860think they can tell me that yeah it's totally bizarre and it's um well it's amazing because people say now
00:03:53.740that like cancel culture is over I've heard people say that it isn't no I mean it's over for some people
00:03:58.960but if you're if you're an effective critic of the system they want to make it so that your life is
00:04:04.760miserable and you know I think what they what they sort of recognize is like I'm clearly still popular
00:04:10.080like I go to Turning Point and I get like a hero's welcome you got hundreds of people way I walked in
00:04:14.340and it's like plaza like oh wow this is crazy people are saluting yeah they're cheering I'm signing
00:04:18.940autographs and so they can't get rid of me they can't get rid of my following so they put ice on
00:04:24.360everybody around me you know like people reach out to me I'm not going to say who but some big people
00:04:29.460reach out to me and they say hey we want to have you on YouTube but you're banned on YouTube so if we
00:04:34.620have you on our channel we're going to get banned well Tim and other people Tim didn't even reach out
00:04:40.460Tim just like ghosted us yeah but it's pretty obvious why but after he gave me he gave me his
00:04:45.760word that he was going to do it and they just you should have just called me and said I changed my
00:04:48.700mind but instead he just stopped responding well how much they only put it on x right so they put it on
00:04:52.880yeah that's right but that was cool they did it though because they knew I understand why because
00:04:57.060like I said I'm looking to get a podcast going but they'll demonetize just for putting you on there
00:05:01.660how crazy is that to grab me on the podcast because demonetize yeah I got like two strikes
00:05:05.480for doing that so yeah and the Hodge twins lost a couple sponsors over me being on the show yeah
00:05:10.220so it's just grabbing the balls to bring you on anyways you know more people are starting to have
00:05:14.200the balls finally yeah it's the quickest shift it's the fastest shift in like the that there's ever
00:05:19.820been in this movement it's got to be right have you noticed you've done AFPAC for how many years now
00:05:23.480it's our fourth year this has got to be the most of my energy huh yeah it's the most people it's the most
00:05:28.880energy and you know this war in Palestine is really what did it uh that coupled with the
00:05:35.720Kanye thing the A24 Candace Owens getting fired from Daily Wire it's like basically all the things
00:05:42.620we had talked about for seven years are now come to fruition all the ones yeah exactly it's hitting
00:05:48.000everybody all at the same time and um and you know I said my pinned tweet on x is I got canceled for
00:05:55.620saying they put Israel first now everybody sees what I was talking about you know because with
00:06:01.160this war in Gaza it's so transparent it's so unpopular it's unpopular around the world and yet
00:06:07.060it just goes on and on and on in defiance of everybody which it's like if the whole world says
00:06:13.300you can't do it but it keeps going then what does that tell you about who runs the world did you tweet
00:06:18.620that this is the first genocide that's been live streamed I think someone else tweeted that I think
00:06:22.700yeah but it really puts things through but it is it's like I said I'm on all the telegram channels
00:06:26.840it's terrible I don't know if you look at those but the stuff you see on those like I only put a few
00:06:30.600videos out here and there there's hundreds of a day of these little kids getting blown up it's
00:06:33.920it's disgusting and like I was telling him earlier the worst ones are the Israeli ones because they're
00:06:37.900mocking it they're mocking at it I don't know if you remember those they're just sickening I can't go to those
00:06:41.500very often yeah it's gross they're they're chauvinists and uh you know it's like we were
00:06:47.140standing out there and uh I was saying oh there's that law that says that it's illegal to say the
00:06:52.540Jews killed Jesus I'm like but they did yeah and there was a guy some boomer clearly Jewish he's
00:06:57.360standing out there he's like the Romans the Romans killed Jesus it wasn't it was the Romans and I said
00:07:03.620I'm sorry sir do you believe in Jesus and he goes he's not my savior oh well there you go yeah
00:07:09.540case in point and you know but that that's just there that doesn't work you know this is a
00:07:15.640Christian country this is America and the people that are calling all the shots they don't want to
00:07:22.320die for America they don't want to die for Jesus they think they're better than everybody they think
00:07:26.880that everybody's got to bow down for Israel and everybody's got to care about their feelings
00:07:30.340about the Holocaust and about anti-semitism and everyone everyone knows it and I'm like one of the
00:07:36.200only people obviously you and you also but I'm one of the people in politics that's saying no
00:07:41.260f that like it's America first it's Christ is king and without exception absolutely and we confront
00:07:48.240head-on this contradiction and that's why I'm canceled I mean so and Candace has jumped in a
00:07:54.660little bit but yeah she named dropped you on Pierce Morgan I was surprised yeah she said positive things
00:07:58.900too you're getting mainstream and I don't think they're gonna go stop but I think we had this talk a few
00:08:02.980months ago and it's like you already see this direction changing I can't imagine for you what
00:08:07.120it must have been like seven years ago like I'm glad that I just started learning all the past year
00:08:12.040because I'm not very good to keep my mouth shut obviously I couldn't imagine I'd probably be like
00:08:15.480you completely ostracized so it's uh must be crazy what you've gone through yeah it's been pretty horrible
00:08:21.500but you know yeah but the vindication the vindication feels good I mean all I want is just that things
00:08:29.440are set right you know I mean I don't care so much about me as long as you know we get America
00:08:35.260to be put first as long as we get it's bigger than us it's about the country and that's I think
00:08:39.620why we get along because right we're not trying to like oh I go this we're trying to make the country
00:08:43.060better a lot of these guys like oh how can I get money out of this how can I how can my ego it's
00:08:47.140like I just want a better country for our kids you know grandchildren is living that's why I think
00:08:51.460Jake is going to be really useful in that uh in that regard a lot of other guys like have a lot
00:08:55.500of ego towards it and resentment towards you totally uh and Jake's really like you could tell
00:08:59.880him would you let Jake be the head of uh secret service as president yes absolutely yeah I got a job
00:09:05.620secretary of defense or something yeah I saw that yeah you refuse to shake the guy's hand
00:09:15.280yeah maybe a little nice service shit pisses me off yeah well so how did you guys uh destroy our
00:09:21.120country you know it's like so these guys are like they're active and our country's being destroyed
00:09:25.560the guy they're sitting back and watching it and debating going along with it and like I said
00:09:29.380guy privately told me that agrees with a lot of it he's a high up guy it's like how are you keeping
00:09:33.060this private then yeah because you prioritize money over truth that's why that's the only reason
00:09:38.180that you put money before truth yeah so you were saying earlier that there's some guys like you
00:09:42.900understand why they don't want to speak about their politics I think you absolutely should
00:09:45.900now is the most crucial time to speak about this like when there's a genocide being
00:09:49.980live stream like now more than ever people always talk about how like oh if the holocaust
00:09:53.660was happening I would have I would have spoken up I would have they'd be sitting there with
00:09:57.640these people's quiet right now say something but uh what how did you guys end up meeting each other
00:10:02.700who a mutual friend of what's your name what is it uh tenrio tenrio yeah tenrio really yeah
00:10:06.820did you see him come on the one minute podcast in uh new york yes yeah yeah yeah I met him in
00:10:12.480new york and you know obviously he's black and he was sitting there I believe you're some
00:10:16.460racist he's like oh you really should talk to nick he's um like isn't he a racist and he's like no
00:10:21.080no he's not it's like all right give me his number I think I text you at some point and we kind of just
00:10:25.980started talking a little bit from there and you know instantly I like I could tell he was genuine
00:10:29.920I like nick not say we're like the most close I think people think we're closer than there are
00:10:32.940people are always hitting me up asking me to get nick to do things so not to leave it has nick's phone
00:10:37.280number I'm just kind of like uh why don't you hit him up but I think he's gone along right away and I can see he
00:10:41.840was legitimately wants to save the country I'm a little bad too because I kind of believed that
00:10:46.220he was just like demon and then we totally went 18 you were pushed away like that I just couldn't
00:10:50.760imagine an 18 getting stripped from everything like even your own family probably thinking you're
00:10:55.480just like bad person you're trying to help the country yeah yeah exactly that's everybody's first
00:11:00.060reaction to you like I remember bringing you up to myra and he's like isn't that kind of like a
00:11:03.840white supremacist I'm like oh he's cool he's always like you can't like white nationalists they're like
00:11:08.280and then he met and obviously like you see what he thinks now he's very public about that
00:11:11.520so but that's everybody's first impression yeah well that's their um it's like when yay tweeted
00:11:17.920that a few years ago he said who do you think invented cancel culture that's who's behind it I
00:11:22.880mean because with a guy like me the first question I asked I didn't you know when I started getting
00:11:28.360into politics I was total normie but the one thing that stood out is I said this whole Israel thing
00:11:33.800doesn't fit with America first that was it and from that point on they said oh well you hate
00:11:39.540Muslims you hate black people you're white supremacists you're white nationals you're this
00:11:43.800that and the other and it's this like reputational destruction it's all it's almost like I'm being
00:11:48.860embargoed and that's kind of there's like an irony there because you know there's that BDS movement
00:11:54.520boycott divest sanction and it's totally legitimate movement because they say here's this country that's
00:12:00.340engaging in a genocide well we're not going to do business with you that's our prerogative that's
00:12:04.540our freedom why would we support a country that's engaging in a genocide well they say that's
00:12:09.820anti-semitic to engage in the BDS you cannot boycott divest or sanction Israel but if you criticize
00:12:15.360Israel you get boycotted divested sanctioned if you criticize Israel you're banned from the payment
00:12:21.200processors you get banned on YouTube you get blacklisted other people that associate with you get banned
00:12:27.020like when we went on fresh and fit we were going to go live you me Zerka Myron Walter and they came
00:12:33.900in and said oh you can't do the stream because Nick and Sneeko are banned from YouTube so you can't
00:12:38.400stream it on YouTube and it's like those secondary effects so they it's ostracism like in like in
00:12:45.140ancient times you were totally ostracized I hate to admit it but even when I went to it I'm like oh is this a good idea
00:12:50.020yeah and I'm like a guy that's not scared of anything my finances are secure the fact that it even crosses my mind just shows how good of a job they've done
00:12:57.960yeah like so you have dozens of octagon fights like going like not knowing if you're going to make out a lot
00:13:02.300but the fact that it even crossed my mind just shows like how good of a job they've done because I'm kind of like I do whatever I want and I'm thinking like oh is it smart if I go you know have any
00:13:11.100connection with this guy the fact that I've crossed my mind it's just cowardly I mean like I wasn't a coward but I could understand
00:13:16.660I could understand why people would be scared to meet you because a lot of those fights aren't in order
00:13:20.540they're not as strong they don't have finances and said it's uh it's tough yeah well it's it's really weird
00:13:27.520because it's not like you're going to meet Al Capone which is like that's what Andrew Clavin said from DLA Wire
00:13:33.480he's like oh well you know Nick says some things I agree with but he's no he's like a notorious person like an Al Capone like just
00:13:40.320or you know Candace Owen said it's like oh if you have a dog and Hitler has a dog are you like Hitler or something like that
00:13:46.980um and it's like you have that reaction about meeting me I'm not a murderer I'm not a rapist I'm not you know
00:13:54.180Jeffrey Epstein was hanging out with like the world's most famous people that's fine if you're hanging out
00:13:59.740with like Lolita Express and or Bill Clinton Kevin Spacey goes on Tucker Carlson Kevin Spacey who is accused
00:14:06.380of raping kids 14 year old boys yeah and then they all mysteriously died so he can go on Lex Fridman
00:14:13.140and he can go on Tucker and he can go on the show Piers Morgan recently too right Piers Morgan yeah
00:14:17.780but not me why right because why like downplayed the holocaust or you know it might have been four
00:14:24.380million instead of uh yeah right but that's fine a wooden door up or something like that yes
00:14:29.520so to them that's worse uh being critical of Israel is worse than fucking kids yeah right
00:14:36.060I mean I was a little shocked how we got big I thought we had it cleared it sounded like I told
00:14:40.620them on the phone like oh I'm pretty sure we're getting it cleared right now and it was just
00:14:43.320right away we were rushed up on yeah they zipped over to us in like five seconds they were like ready
00:14:48.820waiting literally like walk through the door and they made a beeline hey can we see your id yeah you
00:14:53.900can't exactly you already yeah well you must know some things uh as a you're more politically
00:15:01.100involved than me what's going on at tpusa what's the narrative that they're trying to push i saw you
00:15:05.400speaking about jd vance what do you think is the the big push that they want to do with tpusa
00:15:09.980so with turning well with vance everyone's pushing vance now and the vance is being pushed with trump
00:15:17.640because vance is getting money from peter teal and peter teal is like a big federal contractor like
00:15:23.400they just got his company excuse me this is this is a huge topic so we can't get all the details but
00:15:28.820his company palantir is contracted with the nsa with the cia and they do like ai they do facial
00:15:36.320recognition they got a 500 million dollar contract with the federal government recently teal's money
00:15:41.640put vance in the senate now sance is being tapped for vp and what's interesting and this is what i kind
00:15:47.980of got at earlier today you know for a long time you had like neocards the neoconservatives they said
00:15:54.980there's a civilizational war between christianity and islam and israel's at the front of it and that's
00:16:01.100why we need to go to iraq and make a democracy and we're going to plant the seed and it's going to
00:16:04.980spread all over and blah blah blah people stop believing in that they said that's nation building
00:16:09.940myth we can't build nations you can't go and make a democracy in iraq because they don't have a
00:16:15.100tradition of liberalism you know and their their religion doesn't isn't really compatible as you
00:16:19.300know islam's and it's a good thing it's not a liberal religion um so that fell out of favor the
00:16:24.320neocons fell out of favor and so for a long time they were just kind of pushing this well israel's
00:16:29.460our closest ally and all it took was somebody like me to get up and say okay well why you know why are
00:16:35.100their closest ally and they fold it immediately because they're like we don't even know you know like
00:16:40.840because that was it i mean you know years ago we would go to charlie kirk and say hey charlie like
00:16:45.940why are they the closest ally they didn't know i mean they said it but they didn't know and what
00:16:50.660i've noticed and if you pay attention you'll see it too they're now creating like a new justification
00:16:56.940for it in light of the groipers because the groipers have become very popular among the young people
00:17:01.540and so in the past five years they've come up with these new ideas so like vance was at the
00:17:07.280quincy institute a few weeks ago it's an anti-war non-profit and so these guys don't actually support
00:17:14.120israel but vance goes there and says well i'm going to make the case for why we should support
00:17:19.020israel and he had all these new reasons and so he said for example well we need to support israel
00:17:24.320because they're innovators in missile defense that's the big thing now in ukraine so being pro-war
00:17:30.180yeah right it's it's all about defense contractors like his boss peter teal he said the second thing is
00:17:36.460well israel protects the christian holy land that's the new one they're doing like vance posted a
00:17:42.260picture of himself kissing the wall and he said i'm walking in christ's footsteps i'm like did christ
00:17:47.560kiss the wall i must have missed that yeah yeah right i'm like i somehow i don't think christ supports
00:17:52.760israel uh but that's like they're like killing kids yeah yeah or like spitting on his own followers
00:17:59.020or like bombing his own churches like these uh evangelical christians that they're zionist
00:18:03.760christians they get spit on out there and they're still zionist it makes no sense yeah well it's funny
00:18:08.320i met one from turning point it's young girl years ago i went to this thing with bryce and gray and
00:18:13.320there were a couple of girls who went to like my old high school and i recognized them i was like oh hey
00:18:18.440yeah you're getting a lot of attention from being in turning point blah blah blah and i said yeah you
00:18:22.680got to drop this turning point stuff israel is not our ally and they're going oh we just got
00:18:27.180that from israel i'm like yeah they hate christians there i swear my right hand to god i swear she
00:18:31.900goes yeah now that you mentioned that they kind of like hated us there they were like spitting on us
00:18:37.020when you see destiny getting like he's over there destiny's not even christian he's in israel right
00:18:40.780now my bad for bringing him up no yeah everywhere you go and then he's like he's he thinks that these
00:18:45.480are his people he's driving his car and they're like shouting him out in hebrew like he's like i don't
00:18:51.600know i don't know what you're saying i don't know like the guy's literally pointing at his face
00:18:55.100calling him the son of a whore yeah like you would think that even him of all people who's like
00:19:00.000he's servicing these people now this ideology even they're like this fucking faggot whore like
00:19:04.240yeah get out of our country yeah my bad when i went there though as i saw it i was treated good
00:19:11.020because i was like with people that are high up but i could see when i was in jerusalem how they're
00:19:14.240treating other people like not good those guys machine guns the muslims are pushed to a corner
00:19:18.020the christians they're treated that good it was like they try to take you around and show me all the
00:19:22.600positive things yeah it's still i'm not stupid i can still see things yeah they're putting on a
00:19:28.200show and anyway but so vance is pushing this new thing of like oh we support israel because we're
00:19:32.920like christian charlie kirk does the same thing now he recently got asked at one of the q a things
00:19:37.920i think it was some girl came up and said um you know why do you support israel so much and he said
00:19:43.500well because it's a christian holy land and now they're trying to steer christian nationalist thing
00:19:48.800into a way to support israel and vance has echoed a lot of those same sentiments so um yeah i think
00:19:57.200some some people are i think they find it more plausible than the other stuff i think years ago
00:20:03.160we totally dominated because they just had no convincing answer and now that ironically now that
00:20:10.200another aspect of our rhetoric is winning which is that christ is king in this christian country
00:20:15.200they're kind of leveraging one aspect of what we support into supporting israel and saying oh
00:20:20.460and it doesn't really make sense but i think that's probably more compelling than what they
00:20:24.320were saying before the pro-war stuff is that it is that the only two arguments that jd guns has yeah he
00:20:28.940said he said it's missile defense it's christians and then the other thing it was really funny because
00:20:35.260if you read the transcripts he says something like you know we're partnering with the arab countries to do
00:20:40.520the abraham accords expand that to saudi arabia he goes and this presents really great opportunities
00:20:46.960financially militarily for israel he goes and also for the united states of course but there's literally
00:20:54.280literally like he forgot people watching these politicians they're not seeing it they're crazy
00:20:59.760they're pushing israel first and unfortunately including trump is we were both trump supporters and
00:21:04.160you know i might vote for him but i'm kind of on the fence right now and it's uh
00:21:07.180it's obviously i think he's better than biden still but can't we just throw a vote to a guy
00:21:11.020who's saying we need to do more for israel than biden's doing it's a tough situation that i'm
00:21:15.020thinking about but it's just you know i would love to have a private conversation with him it's not an
00:21:18.660easy thing to do is trump coming to turning point yeah he'll be here tomorrow okay what do you think
00:21:23.900uh he's going to be trying to push here you know he's going to be doing a stump speech i mean like
00:21:29.720the sad thing about trump is i don't think he's really pushing anything i think that
00:21:34.260you know and this is sort of i love i want to preface it by saying i love trump he's a good guy
00:21:39.340like you know i think he's a legend but this is not the same animal as 2016 if you go back in 2016 he
00:21:45.580was really sharp and like really quick you'd watch his interviews and he found a way to control the
00:21:52.460frame every time people forget he went into stephen colbert's show stephen colbert is like the arch
00:21:58.380liberal and he's a pretty smart guy you know he went to northwestern i know what you mean he's like you
00:22:02.920know he's a fucking idiot liberal but i mean he's an intelligent guy and uh but trump went in there
00:22:08.720that's like a good example of extremely hostile interviewer and hostile territory but he used to
00:22:14.540go on to cnn and colbert and the late shows and he would decimate these guys he would control the
00:22:20.220frame he was just really like a masterful kind of like i don't know you would call that but
00:22:25.940the rhetorician maybe you look at him now it's bad like i don't know if you saw the logan fall
00:22:32.160interview it's become more normie and social media like what do you think of the downside is too low
00:22:36.900energy what was just like out to lunch i mean he's like not answering the questions he just repeats
00:22:41.860himself it's very monotonous and slow low energy it's nothing new even like the dr phil interview is a
00:22:50.000total jerk off you know dr phil basically said tell me how great you are you know why aren't you
00:22:54.700running unopposed why are you so fucking awesome and it was just like around and around biden's
00:23:01.600the worst president ever you know we closed down the greatest economy you've heard all the greatest
00:23:06.140hits and so it's hard to be new and refreshing and exciting when you've been in the game for eight
00:23:10.400years not really i mean you know the thing is that might be a plausible excuse for him but like
00:23:17.040thomas massey on the tucker interview was really exciting and interesting and radical and america first
00:23:23.660and i watched that and he's not even good he's like a libertarian i don't even agree with him on
00:23:27.880most things but i was amazing yeah but i watched the interview i'm like this is a brilliant interesting
00:23:32.240fresh guy then i watched trump and i'm like yeah i don't really see the appeal he's saying how much
00:23:38.140he wants more legal immigration we're going to support israel we're going to cut the corporate tax
00:23:44.020rate he's with a bunch of donors uh this is the new york times he says he's going to cut the corporate
00:23:48.400tax rate to 20 and it's like so let me get this straight the big winners of trump too are going
00:23:53.920to be the corporations to get the tax cut because the tax cut that he passed expires in 25 which is
00:23:59.720when exactly exactly and you know make the tax cut contingent say to the corporations if you buy
00:24:08.980and hire american then we cut your taxes not we're going to cut your taxes and you ship the job from
00:24:13.880china to mexico which is what they're doing they call it friend shoring which means they're going
00:24:18.020to move and they're i mean a lot of the products are still going through china anyway but you know
00:24:22.580it's the corporations are going to be the big winners israel is going to be the big winner it's
00:24:27.540going to be immigrants where they say he said on dr phil we desperately need legal immigration
00:24:33.020in the new york times he said we're going to staple green cards to diplomas of foreign students
00:24:37.480so what the fuck about us you know immigrants corporations in israel those are the winners the
00:24:42.880first time those are going to be the winners the second time so people just need a reality check
00:24:47.400i love trump um no one can critique my credentials on that i've been a loyalist for years we have to
00:24:53.140be very honest about what we're getting here and it's not it's not america first yeah i mean it's
00:24:57.420hard to criticize trump but i'm glad you're doing it it's something i started doing a few months ago
00:25:00.980and i just think it's we can't give a free pass i still might vote for him but he can't he doesn't
00:25:04.520just automatically guarantee deserve our vote when he's not if that's what i said what he's running on
00:25:08.660what is he offering america exactly don't you think the the make america greater movement is
00:25:13.580almost bigger than trump itself it's like his supporters are all anti-vax and he was one of
00:25:18.560the biggest proponents of showing the vaccine it's like i was i've been realizing that the
00:25:22.540magnet movement is like people who love america that's why you still say you love trump that's
00:25:26.060why i love trump like i disagree like designism issue is like one of the really glaring flaw and
00:25:30.740most of his supporters that treat him like a messiah you literally think he's a god yeah they pray to
00:25:35.500trump and they are all brainwashed about israel because trump's brainwashed about israel but
00:25:40.040even then his movement which is gonna i think you're probably going to carry the torch and it's
00:25:44.140probably going to continue even after he you know whatever happens in this election if he goes to jail
00:25:48.200or whatever that movement is going to continue because you can tell he actually loves his country
00:25:51.900unlike the other candidates so even though we may disagree on a lot of things it's important to
00:25:56.400focus on the fact that we want to put america first which is why he gained so much support in the
00:26:00.740first place in 2015 yeah i would say he's putting too much uh special interest first at the moment
00:26:05.600though like he's not actually i think he does love the country but i think maybe he needs the money or
00:26:10.160he's scared of legal cases he's just not offering anything new for the american people i still think
00:26:14.360he's better than biden don't get me wrong but he's just like what is he offering american people
00:26:18.160right now not much i can't like when you ask that question nothing comes to mind i hate to have
00:26:23.540these talks too because you know i've been a big trump's i mean i lost a little respect during the
00:26:27.080covid lockdowns i was strongly against the first two weeks even i know i know it was popular and
00:26:31.440kind of had to but that's when i first started questioning him and it's unfortunate and i hope
00:26:35.940he like you know gives a little bit but right now i'm not that happy with him yeah well and you know
00:26:40.100there's something interesting going on it's like have you noticed that the media they're not pro-trump
00:26:46.040but they don't even seem to be phased about the prospect that he'll be president that's an excellent
00:26:51.420i think i saw you say that yeah wow they're not bashing it used to be that's the tell but why
00:26:56.000why aren't they bashing like they used to that should really make you think they don't care
00:26:58.720anymore they don't fear him anymore because they know they know that it's not going to be that bad
00:27:02.640in 16 and i i said this to a buddy of mine in 16 it really was like a terrifying phenomenon trump and
00:27:11.440i say this even as a supporter and i don't mean terrifying so much in a negative way but
00:27:15.720he had this like this x factor like this unstoppable momentum it felt like we were really dealing with
00:27:22.160like this raw force like even we it's almost like frankenstein's monster like i don't even know if
00:27:27.040we could control this or stop it if we wanted to and that's because he you know there was something
00:27:31.740very unique he said i personally am going to control the executive branch because we all know
00:27:37.840the president isn't really in charge everybody knows that and trump said no i am going to be in
00:27:43.300charge i am going to use this office he said in the first speech i'm going to literally take this
00:27:47.800country and make it great again and you know you look at some of the rhetoric and the
00:27:52.520some of the propaganda that came out there was like that famous video of like trump in a mech suit
00:27:57.620like blowing up planned earth it was like this dreadful phenomenon but dreadful in a good way
00:28:03.580it's like yo yeah it's not there anymore this proud and terrible king like going for the earth
00:28:08.980my whole high school was crying i went to a little border same yeah they had their brother's
00:28:12.980therapy dogs it was it was great they canceled class laughing like i remember he did um he was
00:28:18.760doing a rally i think he was like in uh san jose or something they blocked the traffic he just gets
00:28:23.040out of his thing and starts walking across the street it was he was just so bad yeah i remember that
00:28:26.840yeah yeah he just walked there with a secret secure so that they're blocking him he's just like he was
00:28:30.460unstoppable at that moment i'm like that's when i saw him like this guy's gonna win when i saw that
00:28:33.960he was like the death star yeah i couldn't believe he got out and started walking by any way i'm like
00:28:38.040this guy's gonna win he is so determined that's when i kind of first started slowly
00:28:41.620falling politics like this is just fun yeah it's not fun anymore well and and now i mean in the
00:28:46.880media back then they were legitimately terrified they're like trump is going to turn this into a
00:28:52.100dictatorship he's going to deport all the illegals now they don't give a shit now the thing that
00:28:56.240they care about is project 2025 which is the heritage foundations thing where they're going to
00:29:00.700recruit like radical young right-wing people to fill up the administration and the reason they're
00:29:05.740after project 2025 is because they know like i do and like everybody does that trump getting in
00:29:11.600almost doesn't even matter what matters is who he's going to hire because the people he hires
00:29:16.540they are going to make a difference and if trump hires lindsey graham and nikki haley and tim scott
00:29:22.260they know they got nothing to worry about but if trump hires a bunch of radical young white guys who
00:29:27.500are going to like deliver the revolution that's the thing they're concerned about and that's the
00:29:31.980thing they're talking about lindsey graham was the one uh kissing the wall and she was writing names
00:29:35.860on the missiles yeah oh that's nick haley oh yeah he's a gay guy okay he's a man from south carolina
00:29:42.880but he i think he did the same thing he said he might have been like too he's awful he's a major
00:29:49.060major war hungry particularly just open all wars he's pushed every single war you've done he's
00:29:53.560constantly wants to go to war he's one of the worst politicians so what else can we expect from
00:29:57.880turning point is there anything is there anything like is there any reason that people are here
00:30:02.300yeah i think that well one they're paying people to be here that's they're like paying they fly
00:30:07.820people out here they put them up in a hotel and you know turning point is the number one campus group
00:30:12.500in the country they do have the most chapters so people come here to network they come to drink
00:30:16.680they come to socialize but the the triumph of america first is that even though i'm not in
00:30:22.140my ideas are right you know because i walk in and everybody greets me like wow that's the
00:30:27.220point is yeah it's the elephant in the room it's clear yeah like everyone when i was walking around
00:30:32.080inside uh turning point they're all like it was all goipers like coming up to me i would say it was
00:30:36.440like 50 actually i forgot that that wasn't your event i swear to god why he was like 50 uh goipers
00:30:43.740in there yeah so they can remove me but they can't remove the influence and the thing is like at the end
00:30:49.680of the day like i'm a guy who's actually pushing a compelling inspirational idea like they're not
00:30:56.460nobody is like a charlie kirk fan charlie kirk doesn't have fans that are like socialism sucks
00:31:03.180like no one's doing that because socialism isn't the problem you know and like capitalism isn't the
00:31:08.820rallying cry and now that he's kind of like adopted half-heartedly some of our rhetoric people can see
00:31:15.980that for the cynical play that it is you know he goes where the wind is taking some of your like
00:31:20.260before they're pushing like that remember that gay dude with a guitar like yes yes now they're like
00:31:24.480pushing like that stuff like trannies for a minute it was like that's not conservative
00:31:28.040right it's like come on yeah so they they came my way a little bit and um they're gonna have to keep
00:31:33.640pushing that way i think they realize it like i said private talk with one of those guys i think
00:31:36.760they're scared yeah i can see it they're like that's why they didn't want you in there totally
00:31:40.940well that's why you know canis owens did her thing and they're chanting christ is king
00:31:44.380and it's like we you know we've been chanting christ is king in my thing for years so they're like
00:31:49.160well now we want to do a christ is king chan and um so they see the energy is with us has been with
00:31:55.000us for years and now they want a little piece of that so they're trying to incorporate as much as
00:31:59.620possible without upsetting the donors that put up the money but they but that will never work
00:32:04.440because you can't that's why america first is such a great slogan because you know two countries
00:32:09.700can't occupy that slot it's either israel or america and they're israel first so it's a good
00:32:15.800turnout for so far there's a lot of people here i met uh dr lupus yeah i know lucas gage has been
00:32:21.660so excited about coming where he's been he's been hyped up about this like it's coachella for like
00:32:25.820oh yeah he's been not stop tweeting who else is here uh so we're gonna say he's probably planning
00:32:31.300tomorrow we'll see uh it's maybe you know i was pretty uncertain about i was just in minneapolis
00:32:36.080yesterday i thought you know what i thought you weren't coming to keep up like late last night
00:32:40.740yeah i was like let me just grow a pair and show up here might as well yeah i appreciate it
00:32:44.700yeah of course man i think it's an important movement to bring people together and make
00:32:48.220alliances and uh you know some people when people will like try to buy it well you just describe
00:32:52.860nick over that and i'm like it's the smallest thing i'm worried about we agree on the big stuff
00:32:56.220we have small stuff we can have private conversations about that we think we both want to make america
00:33:00.200a better place i don't care if it's a small thing we have to scream it on absolutely it's like
00:33:03.660every all of anti-israel twitter's here it's like all the all the main people is there uh do you have
00:33:10.340any big announcements or any uh surprise to us like what can we expect at afpac tomorrow uh well
00:33:16.180there'll be some surprises but uh i don't i don't want to spoil any of that you got to kind of just
00:33:20.900wait and see but um yeah i mean we've it's our biggest event yet we've sold more tickets than ever
00:33:25.800by a lot and um so it's going to be pretty exciting but you know the thing is about afpac is it's such a
00:33:33.500special thing because it's the only place where you're going to get america first i mean it's in our name
00:33:37.980and it's so shocking because you know people look at me like i'm just one guy well maybe some people
00:33:44.660do but like i'm a guy among other guys with with an opinion but what's unique about me and about this
00:33:50.020movement is we're literally it's a this is a big country we're the only one saying this on the right
00:33:55.680or the left that's wild that's true right because you you would think this is a country 330 million
00:34:00.780people there's billions of dollars in politics thousands of people are trying to make it in
00:34:06.100politics there's like one conference where you're allowed to say fuck israel literally one
00:34:12.720and it's this one yeah the hard part is all the money is on the other side yeah unfortunately it's
00:34:17.980stuck between us having to sit there and organize how to figure this out we don't have money paying
00:34:21.540us no one's paying us to do this we're not making any money doing this it's a lot way more likely to
00:34:25.900cost us money it's probably costing millions of dollars yeah you know you probably probably could
00:34:29.840have been a big you could have been oh pro israel will be one of the biggest commentators right
00:34:32.980now but it's like we're taking sacrifices because it's really the only way to fix the country
00:34:36.740absolutely but it doesn't work having that sort of fun and doesn't like when you walk around
00:34:40.300turning point the flashy lights and the tv screens and the curvy stadium or whatever it's just like
00:34:47.080this is just beyond like i saw the veck there and i think he avoided us because maybe he didn't want to
00:34:51.220like you but he was right there like immediately like when he saw us he just like
00:34:58.540but it's just like it doesn't make sense for him it's just gonna he's there's more to lose and to
00:35:07.120gain from speaking to guys like us but that's where the energy is so it's also like you said more to
00:35:11.600lose but it's changing like you said you might still be a little bit toxic and ostracized but it's not
00:35:15.860like it was you know yeah it's definitely i'm sure you felt a big change right like in the last like
00:35:20.000six months because you were completely ostracized it was crazy you were probably the most ostracized
00:35:24.600person in the country yeah i think i still am but just less than i was before yeah it um yeah it's
00:35:31.360getting better i think that you know what's funny about these things is for the longest time because
00:35:37.120of the way because of like the current sensibility it feels like things could never change if you know
00:35:42.360you wake up in seven years ago and you're like i know the truth but it's never going to change this
00:35:48.360is how it is this is how it's always going to be but if you think that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy
00:35:53.720so somebody has to take that first step and say no it's not going to be this way and it takes time
00:36:00.620but over time people start to say it and then before you know it you wake up and you're in a
00:36:05.680different country and you change the rules thank you for doing that by the way because i mean you did
00:36:09.060it before a lot of people see it you put a lot in line so thank you it's all going to pay off
00:36:12.460i appreciate that well thank you guys i mean you guys are not even political i'm a political guy
00:36:17.760you know but you're a fighter you're a streamer and like you know so people underestimate the
00:36:23.180people have no idea as you know the sacrifices you guys made to do this nobody knows the hardship
00:36:28.560you go through when you say stuff like this like what a fucking nightmare it is when you go out
00:36:34.480on a limb against israel it's like opportunities disappear like that yeah and no one ever says
00:36:39.440oh i mean some people do but you know the vast majority of people never know the sacrifice you
00:36:45.220make or you make for saying this stuff because you know i mean you can say it but people just never
00:36:50.560understand this stream specifically even like a midstream where you're in the hotel room i just got
00:36:55.940reinstated on twitch after two years and i read like they're saying don't do it you know change the
00:37:00.000but it's just this is the most important conversation we can have so hopefully they'll
00:37:04.140take it away you know it's nice to have one platform back but if they do then they do it was
00:37:08.460all supposed to happen yeah but i saw you disavow some people recently um you really posted a video
00:37:14.560waving goodbye to a former lawyer laura loomer yeah can you tell me a little bit about that what
00:37:19.100happened well you know i love laura loomer i mean we're friends i know we strongly disagree as
00:37:25.960we've been fighting on twitter for like weeks now uh but i've known her for a long time and i i admire
00:37:32.640a lot of qualities about her but you know she came out to attack me because i was against well not
00:37:38.500against but because i said i'm rethinking my support for trump and she came out swinging and said
00:37:44.140you know you can't tell your followers not to vote for trump you're like and she's trying to brand
00:37:48.520me as like an anti-trump guy and you know it's it's a it's kind of a difficult thing because
00:37:55.320i noticed people want me to be anti-trump people want me to say oh f trump blah blah blah the new
00:38:01.480york post called me some jewish journalist and he's like oh you said you prefer biden on palestine
00:38:07.120and he was like coaxing me to get to say i'm gonna go for biden so the headline could be oh the neo-nazi
00:38:12.920nick fuentes supports biden and all these you know fag republicans can have their oh look the racists
00:38:18.660are over there we're the party of mlk and what you know lincoln that's their you know a thing uh but i
00:38:24.540said no i'm not going to give you that headline i love trump trump is america first he created me
00:38:29.040in a sense i will never disavow trump so you know but i but i am as someone with credibility in the
00:38:35.280trump movement saying hey we got to rethink it and so loomer came out swinging i think because
00:38:40.880you know she kind of has an axe to grind against me because i've been so critical of israel and i
00:38:45.680don't think she wants to hit me on that so she hits me on the trump thing and she wants a job with
00:38:49.920trump she thinks trump's going to make her press secretary i love her i don't think it's going
00:38:54.020to happen yeah it's true history if you're going to think about uh somebody with that much power
00:38:57.600somebody's that vocal on twitter like getting in that many battles like why would you it's not a
00:39:02.360good idea well and they trump never rewards his loyalists that's the sad thing is loomer is like
00:39:08.100attacking me to get a job with trump and trump you know i love trump but trump lets these other
00:39:13.760people do the hiring and hiring it's racing with the swamp guys they might compare compare or whatever
00:39:17.680he doesn't he doesn't pick the best people unfortunately yeah so laura loomer is going
00:39:21.640to be left high and dry that's my prediction at least trump should hire the loyalists right yeah he i
00:39:26.060mean if if i'm trump i'm giving laura loomer a job but he won't she's she might not be the best
00:39:31.220but she's extremely loyal exactly you know she's well i think she is the best who would be a better
00:39:35.540a press secretary she's like a bulldog like she's attacked me too which is unfortunately that's a
00:39:41.200private conversation she tweeted the fbi about what she said she attacked me publicly but i guess it
00:39:47.600shows loyal to him why do you get attacked uh same thing some people critical of trump and i've never
00:39:52.780disavowed trump i've never said i'm voting for him but it's just like see he's a traitor blah blah
00:39:56.300like trying to turn people against me like i'm not just gonna sit there and bow like
00:39:59.320not my loyalty to trump he needs to earn it and i like trump way better than fight but it doesn't
00:40:04.100mean i mean if i don't vote maybe i'll skip voting yeah same yeah i don't know how to choose
00:40:08.160tweet at the fbi saying i'm a jihadist and like a terrorist and all this stuff it's just i found it
00:40:13.480kind of silly but yeah so do you what was the slogan of day 24 when you find out who the lawyers is
00:40:18.860then you know the loyalist when you don't know where your lawyers is you still have your loyalist
00:40:23.840right yeah and it's true i mean he said that about me because i i told him about my experience
00:40:28.980with trump and that's what i said even at the dinner you know there's the famous dinner where
00:40:33.600we all went me and yay we're at mar-a-lago with trump and people say you know what did you guys
00:40:38.240talk about and i told trump and he knows if he ever i don't think he'll ever see this but
00:40:42.880for people that are interested i told trump because i was telling yay i was like these are things i don't
00:40:48.700like about trump and these are the things you got to hit him on in the debate because that's what we
00:40:52.200wanted him to do uh if he got on the debate stage in the primary and uh so we're at the dinner and
00:40:57.640it was a big love fest you know me and yay are like oh we love you you know you're the best whatever
00:41:01.380and yeah we were glazing trump and yay because you know but i will because i love him but yay was
00:41:07.900like all right now tell him some of that other stuff you were telling me about the other day and i was
00:41:12.080like dude do not do not make me like you know criticize trump and trump is like no come on don't
00:41:19.420be bashful what is it you know tell me what it is and i said well i said listen i said i'm really in
00:41:23.660no position to criticize like you're the guy you've been through so much you're just you're like my
00:41:27.560hero i have nothing to say but thanks i said bye i said i've been following you forever i said and i
00:41:33.980want you to know like we're here for you we follow you not the republicans not uh kevin
00:41:40.780mccarthy not ron mcdaniel we're here for you i said and in 2015 at the first debate they had all
00:41:47.960the candidates on the stage and they said raise your hand if you are unwilling to support the
00:41:54.000eventual nominee and trump raised his hand nobody else did no one else did and they said well if you
00:42:00.200don't support the republican nominee surely clinton will get elected and you know you're okay with that
00:42:06.000and trump said well i have a lot of leverage here i said so i'd like to run as the republican but
00:42:10.660if i don't i've leveraged and i'm working with and i told trump i said i love that moment because
00:42:15.920it showed you're willing to let the republicans lose and that showed you're serious because the
00:42:22.360way that they trap us is by saying you have to vote for the republican because if you don't the
00:42:28.040democrats are going to win it's like so you're telling me i can never not vote republican no matter
00:42:33.080how shitty they are no matter how america lasts if it's john mccain mit ron me trump i always have to
00:42:38.560vote because democrats are always going to run and they're always going to be worse than the
00:42:41.440republican so you're telling me i'm signed i the republican party owns me forever and i said that's
00:42:47.180the difference you were serious about taking over the party when you did that he would not do something
00:42:52.320like that today he endorsed larry hogan in maryland for senate larry hogan's been an anti-trumper for 10
00:42:58.140years jd vance too right yeah well jd vance came around but yeah he was a never-trumper and
00:43:03.920hogan rejected the endorsement so trump said even though you went against me in 2016 and in 2020 i
00:43:11.800endorse you and larry hogan said thanks but no thanks i don't want your endorsement that just
00:43:15.660goes to show this is not the same guy and so you know but that that was that's what i told them then
00:43:21.480which is a good answer because it was criticizing while also showing something really positive that
00:43:25.360was a good chance move in your part and uh i remember that moment and that was a moment where
00:43:29.800the maga movement became bigger than the republican party which nobody ever had the balls to do
00:43:33.780it was always before in the bush and obama era it was like people go into the voting the voting booth
00:43:38.400and they would just put all blue or all red and then trump came along and said well let me go
00:43:42.000all of this is is messed up from top to bottom so let me create a movement that's bigger than that
00:43:46.320and that's what's going to continue that's like a pivotal moment that changed american politics forever
00:43:50.460it did yeah well and that's why i'm forever grateful because i framed it like this on twitter which i
00:43:56.280think was a good rhetorical innovation i said you know trump made america first mainstream because
00:44:03.580that had been around 100 years ago and he brought that back and it was very controversial actually
00:44:08.020when he said america first people came out and said that's a ku klux klan slogan literally which is
00:44:12.380total horse shit but that's what they said and um and when he said america first when i was 18 i heard
00:44:19.140it and i said israel doesn't fit into this equation and that set me on the path that i'm on now
00:44:24.920and it's kind of this idea that you know the political constraints are as such now where maybe
00:44:30.800trump could never win without supporting israel but that won't be the case 10 years down the line
00:44:35.780or 20 years down the line so the way that i see it is it's like trump started it he can't finish it
00:44:42.440but we the young generation we have to fulfill like the promise of america first he can't take it into
00:44:49.920the end zone we have to kind of take the ball from him as the as the succession and we need to bring
00:44:54.840it into the end zone over the course of generations yeah that's a perfect analogy what about uh have you
00:45:00.680seen daniel bazarian uh come pretty public which is one of jake shield's good friends i've met him a
00:45:05.100couple of times uh i think yeah i ended up having them oh you guys know what was that really good
00:45:09.520to go public now i don't know i think i'd probably find to well yeah i mean uh yeah we follow each
00:45:15.020other on twitter and we've you know uh i think maybe he's been seeing some of my stuff i've been
00:45:19.860replying to him and everything and um as far as you know how much we've talked that's up for him to
00:45:25.080you know if he wants to share that but um yeah but it's it's really impressive because
00:45:29.940like you and like you this is a guy with a huge profile a lot of money to lose and he already
00:45:35.240has yeah but he put integrity first he came out swinging board and i thought i gave a little
00:45:39.980nudge to say like something and it was boom i'm like uh dan um and it ain't going that hard
00:45:45.260he called me he goes hey should i treat this i'm like you're not calling the wrong person don't ask
00:45:50.820me i'm gonna tell you yes to anything you say right yeah it's it's incredible i mean and you know
00:45:57.400but it should really put these political people to shame that's what that's my right not to be
00:46:02.040negative i mean dan bilzerian like to me that just shows he's such a real guy i think people think
00:46:07.760he's somebody's different but if you meet him he realizes he's not the guy you thought he was and
00:46:11.220he's even like to now it's not necessarily down now it's been the old way of living wasn't the way
00:46:15.080to live right now he's learned you know a guy who dated 10 models at once being like you know i
00:46:20.220prefer having a girlfriend living normal and he's at a point where he truly cares about his country
00:46:24.740he wants change you know he's trying to figure out how that's why i think it's uh you know that's
00:46:29.080why i wanted you to talk to him i think he's the guy who somehow could be extremely valuable
00:46:32.120you know i think he's at first like oh i don't think i'm going to be involved but then you see
00:46:35.620he just comes out swinging and he's someone that might even go into politics people don't realize
00:46:39.140like how bright and sharp he is but i think some people see him on the space and like oh this
00:46:43.020guy's actually smart he's sharp well yeah he did a really good job against uh trump jr
00:46:47.040that was good yeah that was awesome well and he's i think he's even been on some of the uh
00:46:52.560he's on pierce morgan he's been on some of the talk shows and he's very sharp and
00:46:56.100you know people want it's interesting where is the right-wing politics coming from it's actually
00:47:02.420coming from a somewhat unexpected source it's coming from fighters it's coming from the red pill
00:47:09.140community like pickup artists and dating coaches it's coming from dan bilzerian who's like former
00:47:14.060military law enforcement right gambler and you know he's in that dating world too it's coming from
00:47:21.780it's really bifurcating along a gender line where it's all coming from a masculine place like trump
00:47:28.640where does trump get the big crowd and it's you know some people might say well sporting event well
00:47:34.260not just any sporting event he doesn't go out at the super bowl where you got you know taylor swift's
00:47:39.200boyfriend he goes out at the ufc at the fights he's been to a bunch of them now yeah and he goes in
00:47:44.540there like a gangster with the entourage the music and data it's like he's going into the octodont
00:47:49.900he's like al capone he's like a fucking gangster he goes out there and the crowd goes nuts and it's
00:47:55.500it's this intense masculine and like and you know you're a fighter it's no bullshit in the in the ring
00:48:02.280exactly that's why most fighters are conservative exactly because none of this fake stuff none of this
00:48:08.180that that's like maybe the last place another angle it's like where it's really actually
00:48:12.740it's like real humanity it's like real life we live in these cities and everything's kind of fake
00:48:17.880you know it's like air conditioning and you know people well i would say it this way no one's in
00:48:23.260danger well i shouldn't in the cities you're in danger but i mean you know what i mean like you go
00:48:27.120to like a shopping mall and you just kind of like hanging life for your average modern person is like
00:48:32.080hey what's for dinner tonight that's like the big question when you're in a fight it's like a killer
00:48:35.900could kill it's like an animal instinct thing that's where the reactionary politics that's
00:48:40.660where the right-wing politics is coming from so it's kind of an interesting thing like who are the
00:48:45.020people that are coming out with the truth it's not like conservatives like patrick denean and these
00:48:50.260other you know sora bamari and from yale it's real ass niggas real ass niggas hard ass niggas